[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #207457 in ubuntu "[Hardy] Spanish keyboad layout won't work (dup-of: 196277)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207457
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #213171 in xorg (main) "Unable to install with GUI on Fujitsu Lifebook C7651" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213171
[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #77226 in wacom-tools (main) "Wacom Mouse Scroll Wheel is Upside-Down" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77226
[04:56] <ubotu> New bug: #213191 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "855GME system freezes when switching to external monitor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213191
[05:58] <ubotu> New bug: #212996 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "[hardy] fglrx breaks hibernate" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212996
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #213212 in xserver-xorg-video-amd (main) "freeze with lots of usb events" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213212
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #213262 in mesa (main) "965GM wine Messa crash when using DRI" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213262
[11:15] <Ng> tjaalton: have you seen firefox make the mouse cursor disappear when it's thinking, in the last few days?
[11:15] <Ng> (and/or thunderbird)
[11:15] <Ng> both are doing it for me atm in metacity and compiz
[11:15] <Ng> it's extremely annoying and doesn't happen to a fresh user :/
[11:23] <tjaalton> Ng: no, haven't seen such
[11:23] <Ng> dammit
[11:23] <Ng> I can't reproduce it anywhere :(
[11:24] <Ng> and I can't imagine what on earth could be causing it
[11:25] <Ng> oh!
[11:25] <Ng> I bet I know what this is
[11:25] <Ng> I've not seen the busy pointer in a while, I bet it's just that is showing up blank for some reaosn
[11:26] <Ng> yeah, starting gedit or similar makes it briefly disappear when it should be showing the pointer with a spinner next to it
[11:39] <Ng> I'm sure there used to be a command to manually set the current pointer
[11:39] <Ng> I thought it was xsetpointer, but that seems to do something else entirely ;)
[12:01] <Ng> meh, it was getting too annoying to work, so I restarted X and it's back to normal
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #213346 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Missing character on belgian keyboard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213346
[15:02] <ubotu> New bug: #206510 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Possible Nvidia 8600GT Problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206510
[15:18] <james_w> morning bryce. Can you ping me when you're up and have a few minutes to chat please?
[15:19] <seb128> james_w: is that about the xrandr changes?
[15:19] <james_w> seb128: yes
[15:19] <seb128> ok, could you have the discussion in a place where I'm too? ;-)
[15:19] <james_w> sure, is here ok?
[15:20] <seb128> btw I did update the gnome-desktop and gnome-settings-daemon xrandr patches this afternoon while waiting on new GNOME tarballs
[15:20] <seb128> using the current fedora rpms versions
[15:20] <james_w> great, are they uploaded, or somewhere else?
[15:20] <seb128> yes, uploaded to hardy
[15:21] <james_w> thanks, I'll make sure to grab those.
[15:21] <seb128> I had to use a Breaks on gnome-control-center because they broke the ABI by changing a struct
[15:21] <ubotu> New bug: #213203 in ubiquity (main) "[Hardy Beta] Problems with Live CD Installation (dup-of: 184651)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213203
[15:21] <seb128> james_w: so what is to do now is to update the gnome-control-center change and track the bugs I mentionned in the mail
[15:22] <seb128> they added some beta warning text in the capplet when I tried fc9 beta, dunno if they removed that, if not we want to
[15:25] <seb128> james_w: first thing I would wait for the new version, I uploaded a gnome-control-center rebuild, so in an hour or so you should have libgnome-desktop-2 gnome-control-center and gnome-settings-daemon updates available, please make sure they still work for you after uprading (ie, try to restart your session and to use the capplet)
[15:25] <james_w> ok
[15:27] <seb128> james_w: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/devel/control-center/ has the change, it's add-randr12-capplet.patch there
[15:28] <seb128> james_w: gnome-control-center in hardy has 101_cc-add-randr12-capplet.patch which is basically this patch, the makefile changes have been moved to 102_cc-randr12-makefile.patch
[15:28] <seb128> and the other 1nn_cc-* are changes we did to that code
[15:28] <seb128> the game there is to update 101_cc-add-randr12-capplet.patch using the new redhat version
[15:29] <seb128> and to update then the other patches which need to be updated or drop the one which are not useful after the update
[15:29] <seb128> james_w: if you want to give a try to that you are really welcome ;-)
[15:30] <seb128> and let me know if the summary is not clear ;-)
[15:56] <ubotu> New bug: #55554 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 "HAL Status 3 on AR5212 chipset (broken wifi)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55554
[17:27] <bryce> morning
[17:28] <bryce> heya james_w
[17:28] <james_w> hi bryce, how are you?
[17:28] <bryce> pretty good, you?
[17:28] <james_w> good thanks.
[17:29] <seb128> hey bryce
[17:30] <james_w> I don't know if you saw but Colin asked me to help out on the gnome/xrandr front, so I am just trying to get up to speed on that.
[17:30] <james_w> at the moment I can just about spell xrandr, so I've got to spend some time getting up to speed.
[17:30] <bryce> yes, that's great, we can really use the help.  The work's pretty straightforward but time consuming and we're down to the crunch
[17:31] <james_w> seb128 gave me some pointers to where the applicable code is, but I need a pointer of which direction to go in.
[17:31] <bryce> hehe, well most of the work is going to be fixing C patches and packaging
[17:31] <bryce> I'll send a reply to the email to start with
[17:31] <james_w> cool, I should be able to manage that, I guess the first thing is to reproduce the issues. Is there one that I should start on?
[17:31] <seb128> bryce: dunno if you read but I updated the gnome-desktop and gnome-settings-daemon patched to current redhat version today
[17:32] <seb128> james_w: first thing would be to do the gnome-control-center patch update I would say to make sure we are uptodate before fixing issues when have already been fixed in the update
[17:34] <james_w> ok, thanks.
[17:34] <seb128> james_w: otherwise the most frequent complain is g-s-d crashing under xgl, so sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl and restart your session should be enough to trigger it
[17:35] <james_w> ok, sounds easy enough.
[17:47] <bryce> wow, I think this is the first time I've seen seb128 recommend someone install xgl ;-)
[17:48] <seb128> and that's not going to repeat again soon ;-)
[17:53] <bryce> seb128: when where the patches in Fedora's RPM's taken?
[17:54] <seb128> bryce: some hours ago, I took them from their viewcvs
[17:54] <bryce> ok
[17:55] <bryce> er, I meant, when were the patches snapshotted from ssp's git tree?
[17:55] <seb128> "Sat Apr 5 16:40:52 2008 UTC (2 days ago) by ssp " for the gnome-desktop one
[17:56] <seb128> and around the time for the g-s-d one
[17:56] <bryce> ah good.  I took snapshots Friday, but Saturday would be newer.
[17:57] <seb128> I used viewcvs rather than git to have something tested
[17:58] <seb128> if they pushed to the distro that's likely working
[18:07] <bryce> james, also these patches bring in some new capabilities (clone mode, display hotkeys, drag-and-drop dual-head configuration, and maybe more)
[18:07] <bryce> james_w: even though they're features, we also have bug reports in about those as well
[18:26] <ubotu> New bug: #213465 in xkeyboard-config (main) "bug with the numeric keyboard  " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213465
[18:42] <ubotu> New bug: #198833 in xorg (main) "OOo writer locks up the whole system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198833
[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #213490 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-15-generic 2.6.24.12-15.33 failed to install/upgrade: subprocesso post-installation script retornou erro do status de saída 16" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213490
[19:11] <ubotu> New bug: #212737 in xorg (main) "Wacom tablet works from LiveCD but not installed hardy" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212737
[19:11] <james_w> heh, just for clarification we are testing the "System->Preferences->Screen Resolution" tool, aren't we?
[19:12] <bryce> right
[19:13] <bryce> I've got more background and photos posted at my blog - http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/
[19:14] <james_w> yeah, I've seen your posts about working on it. It looks pretty cool.
[19:14] <james_w> something is pretty slow, but I might expect that as it's quite an old card with a non-free driver.
[19:17] <bryce> oh yeah, you will likely have trouble testing this with the proprietary drivers
[19:17] <bryce> if you need to test it, and can actually run the free driver, that's what I'd suggest
[19:17] <james_w> I've got a free one in my laptop, and I can use nv on my desktop, so that's not a problem.
[19:20] <bryce> great
[19:21] <bryce> fwiw, rotation on -ati locks up the system.  rotation on -nv isn't even available.  it works about 90-95% on -intel
[19:21] <bryce> resolution switching works without catastrophic issues on all hardware I've tested
[19:22] <bryce> there are sometimes some glitches though - but can usually be fixed by switching to another rez and back
[19:22] <james_w> yeah, switching resolutions went fine, I wasn't offered any other rotations.
[19:23] <james_w> I'm not able to test any interesting configurations either, I only have a single monitor.
[19:24] <bryce> that's fine - focus just on getting the patches updated; as long as you can test on one config (like -nv) that'll be enough to validate that things got integrated properly
[19:25] <bryce> I've gotten several other community members volunteering to do more testing in coming weeks, so we should have ample coverage
[19:25] <james_w> ok, should I still work from CVS?
[19:25] <james_w> I haven't found the git repo to see if there is anything newer there.
[19:27] <bryce> ah, sorry, the git repo is at http://www.gnome.org/~ssp/randr/.git
[19:27] <bryce> yes there are some new changes
[19:28] <bryce> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62442/
[19:28] <james_w> thanks, I'm grabbing the repo for myself.
[19:29] <bryce> I also have set up a bzr repo where I've put my snapshots of his code
[19:30] <bryce> https://code.launchpad.net/~bryceharrington/gnome-control-center/ssp-xrandr
[19:30] <bryce> the only things of special note there are I have 3 scripts which convert his git code into patches that will apply to our ubuntu packages
[19:54] <james_w> so it appears as though the fedora patch and the git repo are actually diverged, I assumed he was just cherry-picking changes.
[19:55] <bryce> hrm
[19:55] <james_w> I can't find the last CVS change in the git repo.
[19:55] <bryce> ok - as seb suspected, there may be fixes in the fedora cvs that haven't gotten put back in ssp's repo, which we probably will want
[19:56] <james_w> the penultimate commit in CVS does appear to be in git, so I don't know if it's just a race condition.
[20:37] <ubotu> New bug: #212902 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "My video flickers in all apllications relating to video" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212902
[20:47] <ubotu> New bug: #213532 in xorg (main) "No video when using window transparency." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213532
[20:58] <james_w> bryce: do you want me to supply you with debdiffs of the source packages, or changes to bzr?
[20:58] <bryce> debdiffs would be best
[20:59] <james_w> cool
[21:00] <james_w> #define I_KNOW_THIS_IS_UNSTABLE_AND_ONLY_IN_FEDORA
[21:00] <bryce> yup, the patch I sent you should strip all of those out
[21:00] <james_w> hmm, you sent me a patch?
[21:00] <bryce> yeah, hmm did you not get my reply?
[21:01] <james_w> to Colin's email?
[21:01] <bryce> oh duh, you weren't on the cc
[21:01] <bryce> yeah
[21:01] <james_w> ah, ok.
[21:01] <bryce> re-sent
[21:04] <james_w> thanks
[21:35] <ubotu> New bug: #213566 in xkeyboard-config (main) "dapper->hardy missing files on upgrade" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213566
[21:37] <mvo> does anyone of you have a idea about bug  #213566
[21:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213566 in xkeyboard-config "dapper->hardy missing files on upgrade" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213566
[21:37] <mvo> reproducable on dapper->hardy upgrade with the release-upgrader
[21:37] <bryce> hmm
[21:37] <mvo> pretty scary
[21:38] <bryce> odd, but it looks like the upgrade code just needs to be modified to set up those symlinks
[21:39] <mvo> "the upgrade code" -> update-manager? or some postinst magic in the package?
[21:40] <bryce> not sure...  I'm not seeing symlink manufacturing stuff in the x11proto-kb rules, and there's no postinst there
[21:43] <mvo> hmmm, bad. dpkg -c xkb-data.deb has it, but dpkg -L xkb-data (and the filesystem) do not have the symlinks
[21:44] <mvo> I will investigate more tomorrow, might be a dpkg problem or some other oddness
[21:44] <bryce> ok, let me know if you need help
[21:45] <bryce> xkb-data looks obsolescent... maybe it's only used for transitioning
[21:45] <bryce> er wait nevermind, that's xkeyboard-config
[21:47] <mvo> I suspect it might be some strangness with the replaces
[21:47] <mvo> tomorrow, its sleeping time
[21:53] <james_w> I'm finishing for the day as well, I'll try and have the patches ready for you tomorrow.
[21:53] <bryce> cool, cya
[21:53] <bryce> james_w: how far along did you get?
[21:54] <bryce> james_w: and is there anything you're stuck on that I could work on in the meantime?
[22:19] <james_w> bryce: I didn't really get anywhere, I was just looking around the code trying to work out which bits were in which patch.
[22:19] <james_w> feel free to work on it and drop me anything you get done in a mail.
[22:19] <bryce> ah ok
[22:19] <bryce> sure
[22:20] <bryce> doing some keyboard stuff at the moment, but may look at the patches if nothing higher priority comes up
[22:20] <james_w> ok
[22:20] <seb128> what patches do you guys speak about?
[22:21] <seb128> have you tried that the updates I did today did break the world? ;-)
[22:25] <james_w> seb128: I tested today's updates, they worked in my limited testing.
[22:25] <seb128> james_w: ok, thanks
[22:25] <seb128> as long as it doesn't make GNOME crash after login that's alright
[22:25] <james_w> we were discussing the CVS, git and Ubuntu versions of the patches, it's not immediately clear which code is in which set.
[22:26] <seb128> what I would say is take the redhat updates patch and replace the hardy one using it
[22:27] <james_w> yeah, that makes sense, I was also looking if there was anything worth taking in git.
[22:27]  * james_w wishes for one version control system for all three, this is exactly what that would be great for.
[22:28] <seb128> yeah
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #212319 in xscreensaver (main) "[fglrx amd64] atunnel crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 181121)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212319
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #212320 in xscreensaver (main) "[fglrx amd64] queens crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 181121)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212320