/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/04/07/#xubuntu.txt

Jester009	I am trying to install xubuntu on my old compaq presario 1675 and it hangs at Starting Common Unix Printing System Cupsd.	00:35
Jester009	herro?	00:36
Twilt	I have a question	00:51
Twilt	Can Xubuntu run on Microsoft's Virtual PC?	00:51
Twilt	Anyone?	00:51
Twilt	It's okay, I'll just wait...	00:52
Twilt	...take your time...	00:52
Twilt	...	00:54
Twilt	.	00:56
Twilt	..	00:56
Who_	Xubuntu runs fine in VirtualBox which is some open source (with free closed source version too) virtualisation software.	00:56
Twilt	...	00:56
Twilt	Oh	00:57
Who_	Twilt: adding dots will not make people answer any faster :)	00:57
Who_	http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox	00:57
Twilt	So would it run on VPC or just VBox?	00:57
Who_	Twilt: I have no idea about VPC - but if you want to run a virtual copy of Xubuntu, you could do it on Windows or Os X for free using VirtualBox	00:59
Who_	Does anyone here know about the making windows icons on the desktop instead of minimising them? I have turned off Thunar's icons and I want to have a window list and a set of icons on the desktop for minimsed windows. I thought this was possible in XFCE, but I can't see how	01:01
Twilt	I'm gonna try using the Xubuntu alternate instal on Virtual PC.	01:04
Twilt	Wish me luck	01:04
Twilt	So far so good	01:13
Twilt	But it failed on networking or something	01:14
Twilt	oh well	01:14
Who_	Twilt: any reason you don't want to use virtualbox?	01:15
Twilt	I just had Virtual PC already installed so I figured I'd just use that	01:16
Who_	Twilt: cool, if you can't get over the network problems, I can assure you the VirtualBo stuff works (on OS X At least) - I did an install last night :)	01:17
Twilt	lol	01:33
Twilt	It's installing just fine	01:33
Twilt	way better than freespire	01:34
Twilt	I couldn't get that to install worth a damn	01:34
Twilt	If I really like Xubuntu I might install Ubuntu on my main system (with windows) via Wubi.	01:35
Twilt	But it all depends	01:35
Twilt	I've seen screenshots and so far I like what I've been seeing	01:35
Twilt	But there's not as much apps for linux	01:35
Twilt	they're all for XP	01:35
Twilt	That's why I'm gonna have a dual-boot system with Wubi	01:36
Twilt	It's still 83% installing the kernel.	01:36
Twilt	It's taking a little while	01:36
Who_	Twilt: I did a wubi install of Xubuntu last night too - no kidding :)	01:39
Who_	Twilt: it works well, I can recommend it.	01:40
Who_	doh - didn't notice he'd gone...	01:41
Who_	(or she :S)	01:42
Twilt	Help!	02:01
Twilt	My Xubuntu install is stuck at 94%	02:01
Twilt	It's been there for what feels like half an hour	02:01
Twilt	It says "Installing Extra Packeges - retreiving and installing acpi..."	02:02
Twilt	Could I possibly somehow skip this step so it could actually work?	02:03
Twilt	After all, It's just an exta pack.	02:03
Twilt	Please Help Me!	02:03
Twilt	sighs	02:04
Twilt	.	02:05
Twilt	..	02:05
Twilt	...anyone?	02:06
Twilt	Hello?	02:08
Twilt	Am I the only one actually on this channel?	02:08
Twilt	:'(	02:09
Twilt	I'm sad now	02:10
Twilt	no one will help me	02:11
Twilt	sniff	02:11
pfischer	what is your issue?	02:11
pfischer	i can try	02:11
Twilt	okay just give me a second	02:12
pfischer	k	02:12
Twilt	My Xubuntu install is stuck at 94%	02:12
Twilt	It's been there for what feels like half an hour	02:12
Twilt	It says "Installing Extra Packeges - retreiving and installing acpi..."	02:13
Twilt	Could I possibly somehow skip this step so it could actually work?	02:13
Twilt	After all, It's just an exta pack.	02:13
Twilt	Right?	02:13
pfischer	um i think you can disbale the apci in the bios.	02:13
pfischer	what kind of machine are u installing it on	02:13
pfischer	?	02:13
Twilt	But it's just in the middle of installing now	02:13
Twilt	Virtual PC	02:13
pfischer	i have seen in forums how it hangs some machines	02:13
pfischer	oh it is vitrual?	02:14
pfischer	hmmm	02:14
Twilt	yeah...	02:14
Twilt	have you found to make it not hang on those forums by any chance?	02:14
pfischer	i am not sure how to skip it from the install process	02:14
Twilt	I kinda figured	02:14
Twilt	Whatever	02:14
Twilt	I just wanted to try a taste	02:14
pfischer	yeah but it was not virtual....so the solution was to disable apci in the BIOS	02:15
Twilt	If I liked it I was gonna install Ubuntu 8.04 when it's ready using Wubi	02:15
pfischer	what virtua.l sevrer are u runnig it on?	02:15
Twilt	I like Wubi lol	02:15
pfischer	vmware server?	02:15
Twilt	Microsoft Virtual PC 2007	02:15
Twilt	Whatever	02:16
pfischer	ahhh your brave!! installing Linux on an MS virtual server??	02:16
Twilt	It's not a real big deal	02:16
pfischer	i bet they break it on purpose haha	02:16
Twilt	LOL	02:16
Twilt	Stupid microsoft	02:16
pfischer	haha	02:16
Twilt	Windows is actually pretty sucky	02:16
Twilt	I just use it because That's the OS most apps are for	02:16
pfischer	i have got both ubuntu and xbuntu working with vmware server	02:17
Twilt	That's why I'm gonna make a dual-boot once I get Wubi	02:17
pfischer	yeah	02:17
pfischer	ah ok	02:17
pfischer	vmware server runs on windows too	02:17
Twilt	I suppose I could try VMWare	02:17
Twilt	Probably better	02:17
pfischer	it is	02:17
Twilt	supports other OSes than Windows	02:17
Twilt	by VPC	02:18
pfischer	yup...linux, bsd, solaris	02:18
Twilt	Sweet	02:18
pfischer	and its free too!	02:18
Twilt	I've only really heard or linux	02:18
Twilt	I should lookj at those other two	02:19
Bradley	Hello everyone	02:25
Bradley	Can anyone help me with a problem I'm having with Xubuntu?	02:25
Who__	Bradley - perhaps - what kind of problem :)?	02:26
Bradley	Well, I just put in the installation CD	02:27
Bradley	and I selected install	02:27
Bradley	but it seems that the OS isn't installing	02:27
Who__	what _is_ happening?	02:27
Bradley	My screen is showing a bunch of horizontal lines	02:27
Bradley	on a blue background	02:27
Who__	hmmm. What spec is your machine?	02:28
Bradley	1.66 mhz intel processor	02:28
Bradley	512 ram	02:28
Bradley	It's an old machine	02:29
Who__	is that 166Mhz or 1.6 Ghz	02:29
Bradley	But I'	02:29
Who__	Ahh, the 512mb ram ansers that :)	02:29
Bradley	1.6 Ghz	02:29
Bradley	Sorry	02:29
Bradley	I need more memory?	02:29
Who__	There are a few options it seems: The Ubuntu installer CD has a 'safe graphics mode' which you could try (I think that is the terminology used...)	02:29
Bradley	Alright	02:30
Bradley	If that doesn't work, do you have any other suggestions?	02:30
Who_	Or failing that there is an 'alternate install CD' that doesn't have a graphical installer, but is still quite easy	02:30
Bradley	Okay	02:31
Bradley	I'll start downloading that now, just in case.	02:31
HelloHappyHacker	pfischer: You told me to download VMWARE Server right?	02:31
HelloHappyHacker	It's Twilt by the way	02:31
Who_	Bradley: In case you're worried about the spec being too low (you suggest it an old PC) - I have it running on a 300Mhz with 128mb ram and it copes fine	02:31
pfischer	yup	02:31
HelloHappyHacker	k good	02:32
HelloHappyHacker	I'm downloading it now	02:32
HelloHappyHacker	I hope it works	02:32
Bradley	It's not too old	02:32
Who_	pfscher, HelloHappyHacker: Why Server not Player? Isn't Player free and Server not?	02:32
HelloHappyHacker	server is free	02:32
Bradley	It's about 5 years old, and technology gets outdated fast.	02:32
pfischer	yup	02:32
HelloHappyHacker	you just have to register	02:32
Who_	Bradley: Yea, it should be fine.... Have you tried the saf grahics mode?	02:33
Bradley	That's what I just put it in	02:33
Who_	HelloHappyHacker: cool. Not available for OS X :(	02:33
HelloHappyHacker	...	02:33
HelloHappyHacker	I have windows though	02:33
Who_	HelloHappyHacker: not me ;)	02:33
HelloHappyHacker	yay...for once	02:33
Bradley	Alright	02:33
pfischer	yeah you do.......they need to send u serial number	02:33
Bradley	Seems to be working	02:33
Bradley	I'll check back here if I have any problems	02:34
Who_	Bradley: Cool. Enjoy :)	02:34
Bradley	Thank you very much	02:34
HelloHappyHacker	That's the only thing worth getting wwindows for, Programs, programs, programs!	02:34
HelloHappyHacker	You can use bootcamp to run Windows on OSX	02:34
HelloHappyHacker	if you have an intel	02:34
Who_	HelloHappyHacker: But now you're so experienced with VMWare you can run Ubuntu all the time and run the few windows programs in a Vm - yay :P	02:34
HelloHappyHacker	lol	02:35
Who_	HelloHappyHacker: VirtualBox works great for me, so I don't need VMWare server :)	02:35
HelloHappyHacker	I never really thought about it that way	02:35
HelloHappyHacker	Instead of running linux in Windows, I could run windows in linux	02:35
HelloHappyHacker	but then I might looase some of my files	02:36
HelloHappyHacker	whatever.	02:36
HelloHappyHacker	Once Ubuntu 8 is out I'm gonna make a dual-boot system using Wubi	02:36
Who_	HelloHappyHacker: you could certainly keep all your files, but like you said earlier - seeing if you like Ubuntu by using a VM is a good idea first	02:36
HelloHappyHacker	That's the plan	02:36
Who_	HelloHappyHacker: Yea, Wubi is great - I used that last night too :)	02:36
HelloHappyHacker	Sweet	02:37
HelloHappyHacker	I'm just gonna get it when it and Ubuntu are out of beta (stable public release)	02:37
pfischer	wubi?? what is that?	02:37
HelloHappyHacker	Specail Ubuntu Installer	02:37
HelloHappyHacker	Google it	02:37
pfischer	ah ok	02:38
HelloHappyHacker	WUBI@	02:38
keb	!wubi	02:38
ubotu	wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234 and http://wubi.org [file wubi bugs here: https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta)	02:38
Who_	pfischer: it lets you install Ubuntu from _within windows_	02:38
keb	hmm	02:38
pfischer	ah ok...thats why i have never used it....	02:38
HelloHappyHacker	probably	02:38
pfischer	destoryed my windows builds a long time ago haha	02:38
HelloHappyHacker	I think it's the best option for me	02:38
HelloHappyHacker	lol	02:38
HelloHappyHacker	I want a dual boot	02:38
pfischer	yup what ever works for ya	02:38
Bradley	Yeah	02:39
Bradley	I just installed ubuntu as a dual boot	02:39
Who_	pfischer: It's great for Xubuntuising old laptops that had Windows preinstalled and no CDROM :)	02:39
HelloHappyHacker	besides, all of my other family uses XP on this computer and they would be pissed if something changed that	02:39
Who_	Bradley: Already!?	02:39
HelloHappyHacker	DUAL-BOOT!	02:39
Bradley	Whenever I'm doing anything that doesn't require Windows specific programs, I use it	02:39
HelloHappyHacker	yay	02:39
Bradley	I had it before	02:39
Bradley	I've just never used xubuntu	02:40
HelloHappyHacker	I heard it's supposed to be very good	02:40
pfischer	right....that is what i am running on this ibm t22.....xubuntu.	02:40
HelloHappyHacker	Ubuntu that is	02:40
HelloHappyHacker	best linux out ther	02:40
keb	depends on your purposes	02:40
pfischer	it is the most user friendly for sure	02:40
HelloHappyHacker	true	02:40
HelloHappyHacker	That's what I want	02:40
HelloHappyHacker	I also heard it's faster than XP	02:41
HelloHappyHacker	is that true?	02:41
Who_	Ubuntu is not nearly so good for older hardware as Xubuntu.	02:41
pfischer	yup xubuntu on old hw is great	02:41
HelloHappyHacker	Well Xubuntu is MADE for older hardware/low RAM situation	02:41
Who_	HelloHappyHacker: From my person benchmarking: Xubuntu is quicker than XP for most things...	02:41
Bradley	Oh for sure	02:41
HelloHappyHacker	Sweet	02:41
pfischer	gnome and kde are a bit heavy	02:41
Bradley	It	02:41
HelloHappyHacker	What about Ubuntu	02:41
HelloHappyHacker	:?	02:41
Bradley	It's not full of all the bloatware you get with Windows	02:42
keb	i got fluxbuntu working on a 600MHz 64MB hp desktop. maybe i'll try xubuntu on it	02:42
HelloHappyHacker	That's good news	02:42
HelloHappyHacker	...i guess	02:42
pfischer	i personally find most linux distros faster that xp....	02:42
Who_	And I can also have semitransparent windows, nice drop shadows on windows, etc on a PII300Mhz with 2Mb Video ram - I actually don't understand how!?	02:42
HelloHappyHacker	LOL	02:42
Who_	(and 128mbRam)	02:42
Bradley	Haha	02:42
pfischer	plus you can configure them all to your liking	02:42
HelloHappyHacker	That's the great thing about linux	02:43
HelloHappyHacker	I heard they're actually working on linux for wii	02:43
HelloHappyHacker	lol that'll be great	02:43
Bradley	I'm installing Xubuntu on an old PC of mine to use it as a FTP file server	02:43
Who_	Though sometimes the configurability is bad - like... if you have work to do... ;)	02:43
pfischer	you can put ubnutu on a ps3	02:43
HelloHappyHacker	ahh	02:43
pfischer	haha	02:43
pfischer	my next project	02:43
HelloHappyHacker	Awsome	02:44
HelloHappyHacker	but i don't have ps3	02:44
HelloHappyHacker	:(	02:44
Who_	You can put Linux on lots and lots of stuff	02:44
pfischer	yup	02:44
pfischer	ipods!!	02:44
HelloHappyHacker	If I do work I'll probably just wind up Using MS office	02:44
Who_	Phones, Xboxes,	02:44
Bradley	I would put it on my ipod, but Rockbox is far better	02:44
pfischer	haha	02:44
HelloHappyHacker	even though it's really slow it gets the job done	02:44
Who_	Bradley: Was it easy to install?	02:44
Bradley	It's still going	02:44
Who_	(Rockbox, that is)	02:44
Bradley	Oh	02:44
Bradley	Yeah	02:44
HelloHappyHacker	They have linux for everything	02:44
HelloHappyHacker	...almost	02:45
Bradley	It's great. Easy to configure, and simple to customize	02:45
ouellettesr	hello, im having a bit of trouble installing xubuntu in text mode, it gets all the way to "Installing the kernel - retrieving and installing linux-generic...." and then stays there	02:45
HelloHappyHacker	I wish I could get it on MY iPod. But I have a new one with stupid encrypted frimware	02:45
Bradley	I put it on my 1st gen nano.	02:45
Who_	Bradley: and the one thing that worries me: I always see screenshots with ugly fonts - can you have nice smooth fonts like on Apple's software (yes, I am a design geek :P)	02:45
HelloHappyHacker	I have a 3g nano	02:45
Bradley	Oh, you can import a number of different fonts	02:46
Bradley	and games too, I believe.	02:46
HelloHappyHacker	Stupid apple. encrypting theyre ipod firmware	02:46
Bradley	Check out their website.	02:46
Who_	Bradley: But do any of them look nice?	02:46
HelloHappyHacker	I dislike them for that	02:46
HelloHappyHacker	But apple does have a nice interface. I have to give them that	02:46
Who_	ouellettesr: Have you verified your CD?	02:46
Bradley	I haven't tried them all out. But I'm sure there are some that are nice because Rockbox has a pretty sizeable user base and it's all open source, I believe.	02:46
HelloHappyHacker	OMG VMWare is taking forever to download	02:47
pfischer	yeah luv osx.....i run it on my amd desktop	02:47
HelloHappyHacker	still at 33%	02:47
pfischer	hackintosh	02:47
ouellettesr	Who_, , no ill do that now	02:47
pfischer	use to run gentoo on it	02:47
HelloHappyHacker	gentoo?	02:47
pfischer	it is a linux distro	02:47
HelloHappyHacker	oh	02:47
Who_	ouellettesr: good luck - I hope it is that, because that is simple to fix :)	02:47
HelloHappyHacker	lol	02:47
ouellettesr	:D	02:48
HelloHappyHacker	:D	02:48
pfischer	=oP	02:48
HelloHappyHacker	my new friends...to some degree	02:48
HelloHappyHacker	:P	02:48
HelloHappyHacker	Is Wubi gonna come bundled with Ubuntu 8.04?	02:49
Who_	HelloHappyHacker: Don't know, but it is a 100k download or something :)	02:49
HelloHappyHacker	I see	02:49
pfischer	i always just use the live cd when installing	02:50
HelloHappyHacker	Well it's an OS. What do you expect?	02:50
HelloHappyHacker	I gotta go now.	02:50
pfischer	latr	02:50
HelloHappyHacker	I'll talk to you guys later	02:50
pfischer	cya	02:50
HelloHappyHacker	Either as Twilt or HelloHappyHacker	02:50
Who_	HelloHappyHacker: Good luck with your virtual machine. Remember that VirtualBox is free and works well too if you don't succeed	02:50
HelloHappyHacker	I have two identiees	02:50
HelloHappyHacker	shh	02:50
HelloHappyHacker	k	02:50
keb	Who_ : does Wine work in an Xubuntu inside VirtualBox? :P	02:51
Who_	keb: hmmmm. I haven't tested it and can't right now as I don't have my USB disk that the VB image is on	02:52
Who_	keb: would be interesting to know! though not so handy, methinks :P	02:52
keb	hehe	02:53
Who_	Unless you _had_ to run Windows apps on Os X on an Intel Mac with out paying for Windows...	02:53
Who_	but I think DarWine still exists to fill that hole...	02:53
Bradley	What exactly /is/ VirtualBox?	02:55
Who_	Which browsers are people using with Xubuntu? Firefox is a little heavy for one of my systems....	02:56
Bradley	FireFox 3 has the lowest memory use of any mainstream browser if that's what you're referring to as heavy.	02:57
keb	isnt w3m lower	02:58
Bradley	I'm sure it is. But w3m isn't exactly mainstream.	02:59
keb	low memory use isnt mainstream ;)	03:00
Bradley	Haha, true.	03:00
ouellettesr	i ran the test on the cd and it says its valid, not sure where to go now	03:02
inazad	hi there	03:05
inazad	how to upgrade without downloading the install cd ?	03:05
ouellettesr	edit you /etc/apt/sources.list file and change all instances of fiesty to gutsy	03:08
ouellettesr	inazad, that is if you are usinf fiesty right now	03:09
inazad	euh	03:09
inazad	i'm using 7.10	03:09
inazad	i want 8.04 beta	03:09
keb	this should work http://www.ubuntugeek.com/upgrade-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-to-ubuntu-804-lts-hardy-heron-beta.html	03:11
inazad	thx	03:11
Who___	grr. Didn't mean to ask a Q and then leave - got disconnected. Did anyone answer the browser question?	03:11
inazad	browser question ?	03:12
Who___	I asked which lightweight browsers people were using. Firefox is a little too heavy here	03:12
inazad	hmm use Opera	03:13
ouellettesr	<Bradley> FireFox 3 has the lowest memory use of any mainstream browser if that's what you're referring to as heavy.	03:13
ouellettesr	<keb> isnt w3m lower	03:13
ouellettesr	<Bradley> I'm sure it is. But w3m isn't exactly mainstream.	03:13
ouellettesr	<keb> low memory use isnt mainstream ;)	03:13
ouellettesr	<Bradley> Haha, true.	03:13
inazad	ouellettesr, i'm on xubuntu.. its will works ?	03:14
keb	Who___ here is a list of browsers for a light xubuntu install http://www.abload.de/img/ubuntu-light-menu2zuu.png	03:14
Who___	It is slow to start and UI is not very responsive	03:14
Who___	thanks keb	03:14
ouellettesr	inazad, im not sure i havent used hard yet	03:14
keb	taken from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4661346	03:15
Who___	I'm just profiling gtk themes (with gtkperf) there's quite a bit of variation. I guess that it is very minimal in real life context though.	03:17
n-iCe	hi	03:57
n-iCe	how can I play windows games on xubuntu?	03:57
keb	Who___ don't thank me thanks Stroganoff	04:01
n-iCe	am I lag?	04:01
n-iCe	how can I play windows games on xubuntu?	04:01
Stroganoff	yep	04:01
Stroganoff	use wine or cedega	04:01
n-iCe	are free?	04:02
Stroganoff	see http://appdb.winehq.org/ for compatibility	04:02
Stroganoff	wine is free	04:02
Who___	Bradley: Did it work?	04:04
n-iCe	anyone alive????	04:11
Bradley	I'm alive	04:11
Bradley	you can use wine	04:11
Who___	yea, I'm alive too :)	04:12
n-iCe	But I have a new question	04:12
n-iCe	I am trying to login to my xubuntu account it says that user or pass are incorrect!	04:12
n-iCe	Where can I see them?	04:12
n-iCe	Or what can I do?	04:12
rondorland	ummmm	04:14
n-iCe	And I just installed it	04:14
n-iCe	I am sure my login is correct	04:14
n-iCe	do I need to re-intall?	04:14
Stroganoff	no	04:21
Who___	n-iCe: Are you aware that capitalisation matters on Linux?	04:21
keb	i think there is some lag here	04:21
Stroganoff	nope	04:21
Stroganoff	just kidding ^^	04:22
Who___	Stroganoff: But looking at n-iCe's user name I wouldn't be surprised if that was the problem :P	04:22
Stroganoff	definately something pebcak	04:23
Who___	lol, indeed	04:24
Who___	woo. Opera is speedy fun	04:25
Stroganoff	yeah	04:26
Stroganoff	but only nightly works with current flash	04:26
Who___	300mhz is not really enough to work with flash anyway :(	04:26
Stroganoff	yep	04:27
Stroganoff	http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/	04:27
Who___	shiny	04:27
keb	gnash or flash?	04:28
Who___	That was a kinda eerie mind-read situation. I had just gone to Digg and thought. Geez - what's really slowing this down is the ADS :P	04:28
Stroganoff	adblock is vital for light weight browsing ^^	04:29
Who___	yea, something I'd not considered until now...	04:29
keb	it would be nice if there was some way to turn off all but essential images	04:32
Who___	Know what Opera's business model is these days?	04:33
keb	isnt it still adware	04:33
Who___	"essential" is surely rather subjective?	04:33
keb	objectively speaking: images not required for function of pages e.g. form buttons	04:34
Stroganoff	i could imagine nice ways to implement that feature	04:34
keb	and then if people followed W3C standards the alt= attribute would let you decide to click and see content images	04:35
Stroganoff	i.e. show only images of certain size per default. placeholders and hotkey+rubberband selection for unveiling the others	04:35
Who___	keb: the alt one works nicely - makes much sense	04:36
Stroganoff	keb: opera isn't adware since over a year now	04:36
keb	cool	04:36
Stroganoff	you can view the source code, too (after registration)	04:37
Stroganoff	to some extent at least, dunno.	04:37
keb	so they still don't value freedom ;)	04:37
Stroganoff	nope	04:37
Stroganoff	i hope firefox3 gets a lot faster	04:38
Stroganoff	and kazehakase a lot smaller und more usable	04:38
Stroganoff	and for flash	04:38
Stroganoff	sigh	04:38
Who___	Stroganoff: I was really quite surprised I could use it at all, actually - they've clearly made progress	04:38
keb	i found firefox2 pretty snappy on fluxbox	04:38
Stroganoff	firefox3 is a lot more snappy.	04:38
Stroganoff	on *	04:38
Stroganoff	keb, btw i'm talking about low memory environments	04:39
keb	excellent, that is real progress!	04:40
Who___	even on my MacBook with 2GB it is faster :)	04:40
Who___	yuk. I hate phrase like 'MacBook with 2GB' - sounds like the concept of 'RAM' confuses me :P Apologies	04:40
Who___	right. Bed for me. Night	04:42
keb	night	04:42
gaurdro	has anyone tried hardy yet?	05:04
torroella	anyone online?	05:27
zoredache	ask your question	05:28
zoredache	!night	05:28
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=== torroella is now known as deope
deope	hehe	05:28
deope	I see	05:28
deope	how are you?	05:28
deope	wondering, how can I know my xubuntu version	05:29
zoredache	use the command 'lsb_release -a' in a terminal	05:29
gaurdro	since people are now awake, anyone tried the hardy beta release?	05:30
deope	I have not I don't even know my version	05:30
zoredache	I ran through the install several times gaurdro.. I didn't spend much time actually using it though	05:30
deope	I just got the xubuntu version is my first time running it	05:31
gaurdro	okay thanks,	05:31
deope	Description: Ubuntu 6.10	05:31
deope	lol ? why does it says Ubuntu and not xubuntu?	05:31
deope	is that normal?	05:32
zoredache	because xubuntu is ubuntu just with a different default selection of packages	05:32
deope	ooh	05:32
deope	it is lighter I guess, right?	05:32
zoredache	that depends on who you ask... It is somewhat though	05:33
zoredache	xubuntu uses xfce, the base ubuntu uses gnome	05:33
deope	im loving it	05:33
deope	hopefully my flight simulator works in here	05:33
deope	wine is the emulator package right?	05:33
gaurdro	yea, I'd also look up wine tools, it's a add-on that makes it much easier to get wine working correctly.	05:34
zoredache	don't let any wine fan-boy hear you call it an emulator	05:34
zoredache	the name is an acrynome for Wine Is Not an Emulator	05:34
deope	oh I learned something new today.	05:35
zoredache	but yes, it may allow you to run some windows apps...	05:35
deope	with wine tools you mean, apt-get install wine tools ?	05:35
zoredache	I don't know much about it... I refuse to use it in principle	05:35
gaurdro	I mean go here: http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/	05:36
deope	so do I, if we use linux why do we want to "emulate" some windows programs, but I just want to play my game :p	05:36
gaurdro	For me I use it for a program I need for research that was written for the windows API.	05:37
deope	thanks for the link I will read right now, where are you from by the way?	05:37
gaurdro	Michigan, USA	05:37
deope	gaurdro: oh , how is it? works fine?	05:37
deope	and you zoredache where are you from?	05:37
gaurdro	that program runs better than under windows, but that's because the programmer only used the windows api and all the graphics and software engines were written from scratch.	05:38
deope	look what I just found: http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/wt0.9jo.html , is like the allowed programs database	05:38
deope	on the winetools	05:38
deope	there are no games, won't be useful for my porpuse :<	05:39
deope	purpose*	05:40
gaurdro	those are a list of programs that they know work really well. wine tools is a jumpstarter that sets things up properly, and guides you through the install of some important windows files/programs that most other programs depend on.	05:41
deope	oh I just noticed that xubuntu didn't detect my sound card :o	05:41
gaurdro	so where are you from?	05:41
deope	MEXICO	05:42
deope	Mexico, sorry for caps	05:42
gaurdro	no worries.	05:42
deope	let me see if my souncd card really was not detected	05:42
deope	:\| weird ubuntu does detect it	05:43
gaurdro	what made you think that it wasn't detected?	05:43
deope	The cpu does the sounds instead the speakers	05:44
gaurdro	?	05:45
deope	I downloaded the install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz to my desktop	05:45
deope	how do I install that, lol	05:45
gaurdro	I think there's a package for that that works better.	05:45
gaurdro	have you added the medibuntu repositories?	05:45
gaurdro	http://www.medibuntu.org/	05:46
deope	No I haven't	05:47
gaurdro	I would look into it, there's a bunch of software in there that they can't include in the base release due to licensing restrictions but is valueable to most users. I think that's where the flash player packages is.	05:48
deope	NOTE: Please ask your administrator to remove the xpti.dat from the components directory of the Mozilla or Netscape browser.	05:48
deope	My first xubuntu error :D	05:49
gaurdro	and that's not really an error. I successfully ignored it with no reprocussions.	05:49
deope	The Adobe Flash Player installation is complete.	05:50
redwhitewaldo	who here is on 8.04xubuntu?	05:50
redwhitewaldo	for those on xubuntu8.04, does your screensaver go on?	05:50
deope	done gaurdro :D	05:51
deope	and my soundcard is working perfectly	05:51
gaurdro	awesome	05:51
deope	I am agree hehe, now let's install java	05:52
deope	damn I can't scroll up with irssi	05:52
cromag	pgup	05:52
deope	hehe that's right	05:52
deope	what's the best IRC package for you guys?	05:53
deope	is package the correct word? should I instead software?	05:53
cromag	client	05:53
cromag	i would say	05:53
deope	client! thats it, thanks	05:53
cromag	and for me it is irssi.	05:54
cromag	for others it may be xchast or bitchX	05:54
cromag	xchat*	05:54
deope	I liked mIRC a lot =p i won't lie	05:54
cromag	its also pretty easy to set up stuff in mIRC.	05:54
cromag	and easy scripting	05:54
deope	yeah I used to be a mIRC scripter	05:55
deope	yeah	05:55
deope	now I am learning php	05:55
deope	and well all the unix stuff I guess	05:55
gaurdro	I use xchat	05:55
deope	gaurdro: I saw some screenshoots I could say the most similar mIRC appearence?	05:55
cromag	i think many clients runs perl scripts.	05:55
deope	gaurdro: by the way I added the medibuntu repositories	05:56
gaurdro	yea, I'd also take a look at uberscript, it's an add-on to xchat	05:56
deope	anyone knows the java package, or should I google it?	05:57
gaurdro	sudo apt-get install java ?? I'm not sure but it's a logical start	05:58
deope	sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-fonts	05:59
deope	I guess	05:59
deope	where are the sources.list located?	06:00
gaurdro	that should do it.	06:00
gaurdro	/etc/apt it's normally easier to configure them using synaptic.	06:00
deope	I did it I think	06:01
deope	the only two commented are:	06:02
deope	# deb http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted unive$	06:02
deope	# deb-src http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted u$	06:02
deope	should I uncommented them?	06:02
gaurdro	i've had no trouble with backports but it is unsupported and can break things	06:03
ouellettesr	hello, i just installed xubuntu and its not working with either the onboard nic or pci nic	06:04
deope	How can I select all the text in there?	06:04
deope	to show it to you	06:04
ouellettesr	deope are you using vi?	06:04
deope	uhm I could, instead nano	06:05
gaurdro	I'm sorry but it's 1am here and I need to go to bed. I hope I helped and best of luck with xubuntu.	06:06
ouellettesr	vi is probably more complicated then nano	06:06
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deope	you did	06:07
deope	good night!	06:07
deope	ouellettesr: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list , did the job :D	06:07
=== gaurdro\|away is now known as gaurdro
ouellettesr	deope are you using command line only?	06:07
ouellettesr	ok good	06:07
deope	Are you good at sources.list ?	06:08
ouellettesr	somewhat, whats the problem	06:08
deope	I would like you to check mine	06:08
deope	to see if all is ok	06:08
ouellettesr	ok pastebin it	06:09
deope	I pasted in ubuntu	06:11
deope	:p	06:11
deope	by the way how do I open a new server tab on irssi?	06:11
ouellettesr	i dont know about irssi	06:12
redwhitewaldo	how come firefox doesn't know what the default file-opener for various files is?	06:18
redwhitewaldo	is this a bug?	06:18
redwhitewaldo	(am using fx3 beta 5) on xubuntu 8.04 beta	06:18
redwhitewaldo	which codec package should i download gstream extra plugins? or gstreamer ffmpeg video plugin? (for mp3)	06:20
deope	is there any way to change the top bar color??	06:20
redwhitewaldo	deope: believe so	06:25
deope	how	06:25
redwhitewaldo	deope: i thought it was possible, but can't find an option in settings manager.	06:30
redwhitewaldo	sorry	06:30
deope	np	06:31
redwhitewaldo	deope: you don't like grey?	06:31
deope	no haha	06:31
deope	I want it kinda invisble	06:31
deope	just the icons	06:32
ouellettesr	why does xubuntu have an ubuntu orange background when it loads up?	06:59
redwhitewaldo	ouellettesr: it does?	07:01
ouellettesr	yeah i just installed it from the alternate cd,, and i havent even hooked it up to the net yet	07:02
ouellettesr	its only orange for a munite till the desktop loads then it goes blue	07:03
redwhitewaldo	guys, i am on xubuntu and i installed ubuntu-restricted-extras. I've just realized there is a xubuntu-restricted-extras. how do i remove ubuntu-restricted-extras?	07:04
redwhitewaldo	ouellettesr: i see that too	07:04
redwhitewaldo	mine's orange for a second	07:05
ouellettesr	i have a really old compaq thats probably why it stays so long	07:05
ouellettesr	its running an old amd k6	07:05
ouellettesr	redwhitewaldo, just do sudo apt-get remove <package>	07:07
redwhitewaldo	ouellettesr: that only removes 38 kb. installing it put it 20 megs.	07:08
ouellettesr	try sudo apt-get autoremove	07:08
ouellettesr	just like that	07:08
redwhitewaldo	will that work?	07:08
ouellettesr	without the try :)	07:08
redwhitewaldo	or is that just a guess	07:08
redwhitewaldo	?	07:09
ouellettesr	it will remove any unneeded programs that arent being used anymore	07:09
ouellettesr	it wont hurt	07:09
redwhitewaldo	ouellettesr: u do know that ubuntu-restricted-extras what they call a "meta" package, right?	07:10
ouellettesr	that doesnt matter for autoremove	07:10
ouellettesr	it wont remove anything thats apart of your system	07:11
redwhitewaldo	ouellettesr: it didn't remove all the codecs	07:11
redwhitewaldo	it removed NOTHING of the codes	07:11
redwhitewaldo	codecs	07:11
ouellettesr	you can try apt-get purge <package>	07:12
redwhitewaldo	ouellettesr: i've already removed that meta package, so your latest "try" advice doesn't work.	07:13
redwhitewaldo	8-(	07:13
ouellettesr	ahh	07:13
ouellettesr	one sec	07:14
redwhitewaldo	what's the diff anyway between ubuntu-restricted-codecs and ubuntu-restricted-codecs	07:14
redwhitewaldo	and xubuntu-restricted-codecs?	07:14
ouellettesr	are you runnung gutsy?	07:15
redwhitewaldo	ouellettesr: no. hardy	07:15
ouellettesr	one sec	07:15
ouellettesr	redwhitewaldo, here is the package website from packages.ubuntu.org, just remove all those packages manually with apt-get remove	07:18
ouellettesr	http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/ubuntu-restricted-extras	07:18
redwhitewaldo	ouellettesr: that link only has about a dozen packages. but terminal says "39 packages" insalled	07:18
ouellettesr	then there ar dependencies of those packages	07:19
ouellettesr	:(	07:19
ouellettesr	i would think that if you remove those specific packages, then the others will not be needed anymore, and it will tell you to run apt-get autoremove to get rid of them, if it doesnt say that, then i would assume that they are bing used by xubuntu-restricted-extras	07:20
ouellettesr	redwhitewaldo, you get that?	07:22
redwhitewaldo	i see.	07:22
redwhitewaldo	thanks	07:22
redwhitewaldo	will try	07:22
ouellettesr	yup	07:22
ouellettesr	redwhitewaldo, you can do more than one at a time as well like apt-get remove bla bla bla bla	07:23
Sheff	can I order an Xubuntu CD?	07:52
n-iCe	hello anyone alive??	08:34
n-iCe	what's xubuntu? linux-x86 linux_x86_64 , linux-powerpc, linux-sparc or what?	08:35
totalwormage	those are all different versions for different architectures	08:38
totalwormage	if you don't know which to choose you probable should have linux-x86 :]	08:38
n-iCe	emachines intel inside pentium 4 , totalwormage	08:39
n-iCe	is my pc	08:39
totalwormage	then -x86 for you :]	08:39
n-iCe	thanks!	08:39
totalwormage	no problem ;]	08:39
n-iCe	is there any way to change the top bar color?	08:39
totalwormage	i think you can choose a color or a background image for the panel by rightclicking it	08:40
* totalwormage not in xfce now and haven't been for a while :P		08:40
n-iCe	i cantr :º	08:41
totalwormage	then rightclick the desktop and go to the settingsmanager, i guess there's a link to the configuration of the panel there	08:42
arualavi	clear	09:24
arualavi	ops, lol	09:24
h0ax	I installed xubuntu last night on my PPC ... and i booted it up this morning and it gets to the stage were the logo appears and the little progress bar comes on ... it moves a tiny bit then doesn't move at all ... any ideas ?	10:43
PsynoKhi0	heya	10:48
h0ax	hi	10:49
PsynoKhi0	when I turn on my laptop (Gutsy) without the network cable plugged in, how do I get my connection to get an IP address once on the desktop?	10:55
PsynoKhi0	I've tried dhclient, /etc/init.d/networking restart, ifconfig...	10:56
PsynoKhi0	I just can't get any IP from the dhcp server	10:56
PsynoKhi0	the wired connection is set on roaming mode	10:57
PsynoKhi0	tried manual config with dhcp (without filling the remaining fields) but same result	10:58
Iskr	weird	11:04
Iskr	to me, when i connect the cable the network applet automatically contacts the dhcp server	11:05
Iskr	but tell me	11:05
Iskr	when you first plug the cable and then start the desktop	11:05
PsynoKhi0	Iskr: that does that on my other, desktop, Xubuntu rig	11:05
Iskr	does in this case (first plug then start) the connection work?	11:06
PsynoKhi0	Iskr: yes, using it right now	11:06
Iskr	weird	11:06
Iskr	what if you kill and then restart the connection applet? =D	11:07
PsynoKhi0	hmm I'll try that	11:07
PsynoKhi0	btw the NIC on the laptop has to be forced in 10Mbps half duplex to work, dunno if it comes into play	11:08
Iskr	neither i do	11:09
PsynoKhi0	heh	11:10
PsynoKhi0	err what's the connection applet called? gnome-keyring-dameon?	11:18
PsynoKhi0	daemon*	11:18
PsynoKhi0	nvm... nm-applet :)	11:19
h0ax	I installed xubuntu last night on my PPC ... and i booted it up this morning and it gets to the stage were the logo appears and the little progress bar comes on ... it moves a tiny bit then doesn't move at all ... any ideas ?	11:24
arualavi	h0ax: try to start it in recovery mode to see where it freezes. Maybe it helps.	11:27
h0ax	what the boot option for recovery ?	11:29
h0ax	just recovery ?	11:29
PsynoKhi0	press ESC at bot whne Grub loads	11:29
PsynoKhi0	or without typo: at boot when Grub loads	11:30
Adantan_Alex	hi	13:47
h0ax	how can i start xubuntu in recovery mode ... with PPC ?	13:49
PsynoKhi0	h0ax: press Esc while GRUB loads	13:58
h0ax	doesn't work	13:58
h0ax	it uses yaboot	13:58
maxamillion	h0ax: the powerpc port isn't officially supported anymore	13:59
h0ax	to 7.10 it is	13:59
h0ax	or there wouldn't be a minimal cd would there ;)	13:59
h0ax	seen as though 8.04 is in beta ... i'd of though 7.10 is the main version still	14:00
h0ax	so there should be support	14:00
maxamillion	h0ax: of course there would, we are community based and therefore we don't follow canonical/ubuntu	14:00
maxamillion	h0ax: we still make it, but its not officialy supported by the distro that we are based off of and that makes it a bit harder for us to support it as well (also, there are known issues with PowerMac G5's so if that's what you are using then you might want to look into trying out fedora)	14:01
h0ax	mhmm	14:01
h0ax	i like debain though =/	14:02
h0ax	i like xubuntu .. it's pre-configured	14:02
maxamillion	h0ax: i assume you are running on a powermac g5?	14:02
h0ax	G4	14:02
maxamillion	h0ax: i've found one person who was successful in getting ubuntu on a powermac g5 and he had to use fedora to do it	14:03
maxamillion	oh	14:03
maxamillion	g4 should "just work"	14:03
h0ax	it doesn't	14:03
maxamillion	h0ax: new world or oldworld?	14:03
h0ax	it gets to the xubuntu screen ... then the load bar moves a lil bit and stays	14:03
h0ax	new world	14:03
h0ax	i believe	14:04
h0ax	meh i want this to work. maybe i should try ubuntu ? instead of xubuntu ?	14:06
maxamillion	h0ax: it might be worth a shot	14:09
maxamillion	h0ax: but i would recommend running debian on a g4 ... its quite a bit faster	14:09
h0ax	yeah but i want to use flux	14:09
h0ax	gnome and KDE will lagg =/	14:09
h0ax	i used to have openSUSE installed. that lagged	14:10
h0ax	i want a simple desktop	14:10
h0ax	like flux	14:10
PsynoKhi0	h0ax: you can always get fluxbox from the rep and make it your standard WM at the logon screen	14:12
h0ax	i'm not too strong with linux though =/	14:12
h0ax	i want it on my mac .. because mac OSX sucks ass	14:12
h0ax	or maybe i could try an older version ?	14:15
h0ax	like 6.x ?	14:15
h0ax	just read about some guy installing dapper drake on his mac and it worked fine.	14:17
h0ax	gunna try that.	14:17
h0ax	and if it works. i'll stick around and help other PPC users. =)	14:17
TheSheep	you'd have to stick for quite a while to meet one	14:19
h0ax	i've seen alot of users around	14:19
TheSheep	but not ppc	14:19
h0ax	yeah PPC	14:19
TheSheep	here?	14:19
h0ax	not here.	14:19
TheSheep	ah	14:19
h0ax	but on other ubuntu communties	14:19
TheSheep	I think we gat about one ppc-related question a month or so	14:19
TheSheep	maybe less	14:19
TheSheep	s/gat/get	14:20
h0ax	i bet if you oppened a channel you'd get quite a few	14:20
TheSheep	of course usually we don't know the answer	14:20
TheSheep	oppened?	14:20
h0ax	opened	14:20
h0ax	typo	14:20
TheSheep	it is open	14:20
h0ax	were	14:20
TheSheep	what do you mean?	14:20
h0ax	like ... #xubuntu-	14:20
h0ax	like ... #xubuntu-PPC	14:20
h0ax	or something	14:20
TheSheep	what use would an empty channel be?	14:21
h0ax	it wouldn't be	14:21
TheSheep	therei s no #xubuntu-ppc so they come here now. and there is about one user per month. I'd rather have them here, with at least a slight chance of getting an answer, than in an empty channel	14:22
h0ax	i may open a PPC channel.not for xubuntu	14:22
TheSheep	I bet there is already #ppc	14:23
h0ax	i didn't say here. lol	14:24
TheSheep	well, I believe in contributing to existing projects	14:24
TheSheep	so that you join forces, instead of everyine doing tehir own thing	14:25
h0ax	mhmm debatable.	14:25
TheSheep	as all beliefs :)	14:25
h0ax	Yes =)	14:25
h0ax	going to try 6.06 drapper.. on the mac... may work.	14:25
h0ax	i know it's old.	14:26
h0ax	but.	14:26
h0ax	so's my mac ;)	14:26
* h0ax hugs mac		14:31
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Sargaroth	hi	16:36
Sargaroth	nobody around?	16:36
ere4si	I'm not nobody :)	16:37
Sargaroth	let's hope so :)	16:38
Sargaroth	I'm at 83% with the xubuntu 7.10	16:38
Sargaroth	going to try it out with my laptop	16:38
Sargaroth	thing is, i get the "kernel panic" with ubuntu	16:39
Sargaroth	can't install it	16:39
ere4si	is it the live cd or are you installing?	16:40
ere4si	k	16:40
Sargaroth	installing	16:40
ere4si	how much memory is there in the system?	16:40
Sargaroth	256?	16:40
Sargaroth	it's an old one	16:40
ere4si	it should be enough - did you do the md5 check on the cd?	16:41
ere4si	!md5	16:42
ubotu	To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows	16:42
Sargaroth	i downloaded it from the official homepage	16:43
Sargaroth	i didn't know you were supposed to do a check	16:44
ere4si	and you need to check that the d/load and burn happened ok	16:44
Sargaroth	k	16:44
ere4si	there's an option on the cd boot screen	16:44
Sargaroth	yeah, trying it now	16:45
ere4si	:)	16:45
Sargaroth	everytime it loads the kernel, something called the Busybox appears	16:47
Sargaroth	and a command line with initramfs appears	16:47
ere4si	I get that when there is a memory issue - I can normally fix it by removing/reinserting the memory sticks	16:48
Sargaroth	i could do that on a stationary, but i don't know with a laptop	16:49
Sargaroth	btw, it says I hav 128 mb	16:50
ere4si	being old it might be the issue - or the memory could be on it's ay out - tried the memcheck option?	16:50
ere4si	128 isn't enough for the live cd	16:50
Sargaroth	running it right now...	16:50
Sargaroth	i'm installing it	16:51
Sargaroth	not doing the live cd	16:51
ere4si	so you have the alternate cd?	16:52
Sargaroth	maybe i am running the live...	16:53
Sargaroth	the alternate was for dev's right?	16:53
ere4si	!alternate	16:53
ubotu	The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal	16:53
Sargaroth	sorry for the noob :D	16:54
Sargaroth	nah, i have the graphical menu in the beginning	16:54
ere4si	hehe	16:54
Sargaroth	so it's not enough simply :P	16:54
ere4si	it will run the os - just have troubles installing - try the alternate cd or the minimal one	16:55
ere4si	!minimal	16:55
ubotu	The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD	16:55
Sargaroth	the pain is i don't have internet access on the laptop	16:55
Sargaroth	the wireless is on service	16:56
ere4si	it will have to be the alternate cd then	16:56
Sargaroth	!alternate	16:56
ubotu	The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal	16:56
zoredache	my question is... why don't they put the minimal cd stuff onto the live disk, so if there is a failure someone could use that to installl	16:56
Sargaroth	so it contains all the packages, but you may choose...?	16:56
zoredache	Sargaroth: what 'it' are you refering to?	16:58
Sargaroth	anyway, having this crappy cpu, am I doomed to use DSL for all eternity?	16:58
Sargaroth	it = alternate cd	16:58
Sargaroth	what linuxes might i use?	16:59
zoredache	I believe the altcd has all the same packages as what you get on the livecd	16:59
ere4si	I use the server install and fluxbox on an oldr comp - 40mb mem use after boot	16:59
zoredache	!lowmem	16:59
ubotu	For installing on low memory systems, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements.	16:59
zoredache	maybe check out those pages for how to install on an older system	17:00
Sargaroth	yeah, I did	17:01
Sargaroth	but is the DSL the best choice i have?	17:02
ere4si	there's puppy	17:02
ere4si	you can ask in #puppylinux	17:02
Sargaroth	would you choose it over DSL?	17:02
ere4si	I prefer ubuntus' packaging - so I went with a server install and light desktop	17:03
ere4si	but puppy is quick	17:04
torroella	Hello all :D	17:28
zoredache	!hi	17:29
ubotu	Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!	17:29
torroella	thank you :p	17:29
torroella	question, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qddueXkD8E	17:29
torroella	what's that application called?	17:29
torroella	Indeed I installed xubuntu because of that	17:29
zoredache	is that a rick roll....	17:29
torroella	I really would like to install it :D	17:29
torroella	is compiz the name zoredache ?	17:29
zoredache	yes probably	17:30
torroella	wow	17:30
torroella	!compiz	17:30
ubotu	Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion	17:30
torroella	have you used it?	17:31
zoredache	nope, I don't have supported video cards...	17:32
zoredache	that and it all looks kinda silly to me	17:32
torroella	hi	17:34
zoredache	you already said that once	17:34
torroella	was /amsg sorry	17:34
torroella	how do I take a screen shoot with xubuntu???	17:59
oliver_g2	hello	18:14
maxamillion	hi	18:14
oliver_g2	is this the right channel also for questions about eeeXubuntu?	18:14
maxamillion	oliver_g2: no, i do not believe so	18:15
maxamillion	oliver_g2: i'm almost positive that distro is hosted elswhere	18:15
zoredache	some of your questions probably could be answered here if they are more general xfce/ubuntu stuff	18:15
oliver_g2	no, I specifically wanted to ask what exactly is the difference between xubuntu and eexubuntu :-)	18:16
zoredache	if you questions are very specific to the eeepc you probably should ask in a group for that	18:16
oliver_g2	and I couldn't find a more specific channel so far	18:16
maxamillion	oliver_g2: as far as i know, there aren't any real differences accept that the entire eeeXubuntu system was compiled to be optimized for the specific hardware configuration of the eeePC	18:17
zoredache	my random guess would be that it has different packages selected by default	18:17
torroella	how do I take a screen shoot with xubuntu???	18:21
zoredache	add the screen shooter plugin to a panel, then click the button	18:23
zoredache	right click on a panel and choose add new item	18:23
torroella	jojo thanks	18:23
torroella	by the way is there any way to change the bar color??	18:23
zoredache	probably, but I don't know how	18:24
redwhitewaldo	is there a way to import photos without installing a new app/program? Is there a way to import photos, say, via Thunar (file manager) or via Terminal?	18:50
zoredache	import from where?	18:51
redwhitewaldo	from digital camera	18:51
redwhitewaldo	sorry, i should have been clearer	18:52
zoredache	does your camera mount as a disk when you plug it in?	18:52
redwhitewaldo	no it doesn't	18:52
zoredache	honestly I find it far easier to simply buy a memory card reader	18:52
redwhitewaldo	zoredache: i'm thrifty/poor	18:52
redwhitewaldo	maybe i'll buy one in the future, but for now, how can i import via terminal (without having to install any more programs)?	18:53
zoredache	if it doesn't mount as a disk, then I doubt you can	18:53
redwhitewaldo	zoredache: well maybe i shoudl dbl check. how can i see if it is mounted as disk?	18:54
zoredache	but you should probably continue asking around. I tend to always just buy a device	18:54
zoredache	if it was mounted, you would see something left pane in thunar	18:54
redwhitewaldo	zoredache: ok. it's not mounting then.	18:55
torroella	zoredache, how do I install a network icon ?	19:02
redwhitewaldo	hi, folks. i'm using firefox (ver 3 beta 5) and clicked on a link that is "application/x-java-vm". Firefox is presenting me with 4 plugin choices. 1) GCJ Web Browser Plugin. 2)Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6. 3) The Java (TM) plug-in, Java SE 5.0. 4) The GCJ Web Browser Plugin (using IcedTea). How in the world should one choose? What should one choose? What are the differences between the 4?	19:05
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redwhitewaldo	how do i import photos from digital camera to comp via terminal?	19:53
PsynoKhi0	via terminal? dunno, but I use gThumb to fetch pics fom my digital cam	19:58
PsynoKhi0	it's in the repo	19:59
redwhitewaldo	PsynoKhi0: what's your comp specs?	20:01
PsynoKhi0	redwhitewaldo: mobile duron 1Ghz, 380ish RAM	20:02
redwhitewaldo	PsynoKhi0: your camera is not mountable? is it PTP only?	20:02
PsynoKhi0	well it didn't seem to be too cooperative so	20:03
PsynoKhi0	btw shouldn't cp /media/your_cam'	20:04
PsynoKhi0	oops	20:04
PsynoKhi0	btw shouldn't "cp /media/your_cam's_folder/pic*.jpg /home/user/blabla" work?	20:05
PsynoKhi0	in your case I mean	20:05
torroella	brb rebooting	20:36
redwhitewaldo	PsynoKhi0: i don't have the camera showing up in media folder	20:49
PsynoKhi0	redwhitewaldo: and with gThumb?	21:04
oliver_g3	hello (again)...	21:46
oliver_g3	can you tell me how much disk space I need for Xubuntu?	21:47
oliver_g3	(xubuntu 7.10, that is)	21:47
Stroganoff	somewhere between 2 and 3gb i suppose	21:47
oliver_g3	hm...	21:48
Stroganoff	oliver_g3 you could try my icebuntu scripts if your hardware is really old, takes no more than 2gb	21:48
oliver_g3	oh that's better :-)	21:48
oliver_g3	I have an SD card with 2GB...	21:48
capi	does anyone know of a way to change the Desktop folder to home or something?	21:48
TheSheep	oliver_g3: eee?	21:48
oliver_g3	yes :-D	21:48
Stroganoff	mmh installing on sd card	21:49
TheSheep	oliver_g3: I think there is an ubuntu flavor specially for that	21:49
Stroganoff	yep	21:49
TheSheep	capi: yes, but that's not recommended	21:49
oliver_g3	the default xubuntu installer seems to have quitted right during install - just found the traces in syslog :-/	21:49
Stroganoff	oliver_g3: http://ubuntu-eee.tuxfamily.org/	21:49
capi	TheSheep, how?	21:49
oliver_g3	actually, this was eeeXubuntu I tried...	21:49
Stroganoff	dont install default distros on a SD card, this dramatically reduces its lifetime	21:50
Stroganoff	temporary files etc. should be stored in a ramdisk	21:50
oliver_g3	hm	21:50
oliver_g3	the various pages about installing xubuntu etc. on eee say it's actually not that much of a problem	21:51
TheSheep	capi: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs	21:51
oliver_g3	apparently it's even ok to have swap on flash devices	21:51
Stroganoff	swap on flash devices???	21:51
Stroganoff	MY EYEZ	21:51
capi	TheSheep, I already tried modifying that and XFCE still used the Desktop folder	21:52
capi	it's as if they've hardcoded it in.	21:52
TheSheep	capi: I'm pretty sure they didn't, I had my desktop in home for some time, I can tell you it's a really bad idea	21:52
capi	I disagree, depends on how you manage home.	21:53
capi	anyway, I know it works on Gnome, but I've never gotten it to work with XFCE	21:53
TheSheep	capi: you don't relly have much choice, apps put their config files and directories in there automatically, and not all of them respect the .config directory	21:53
TheSheep	capi: I can't find the exact howto I fowllowed back then, it was 2 years ago	21:54
capi	I'll mess around a bit more if you're sure that's the right path.	21:54
TheSheep	capi: you can always symlink Desktop to ~ :)	21:54
oliver_g3	capi: doesn't the desktop just use the folder "Desktop" in your home directory?	21:55
capi	yes	21:55
oliver_g3	... what TheSheep said :-)	21:55
TheSheep	oliver_g3: it does by default, it can be changed	21:55
capi	I don't like capital letters	21:55
oliver_g3	?	21:55
TheSheep	oliver_g3: for example, if you are Polish you might want 'Pulpit' or 'Biurko' instead	21:55
oliver_g3	oh	21:56
oliver_g3	Stroganoff: is this the icebuntu you meant: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives/IceBuntu ?	21:57
Stroganoff	no thats the other one :D	21:57
oliver_g3	heh	21:57
Stroganoff	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631	21:57
Stroganoff	thats mine	21:57
oliver_g3	Stroganoff: I wonder how much it deviates from xubuntu? Does it still have a full browser (more than Dillo :) and that stuff?	21:59
Stroganoff	of course	21:59
Stroganoff	it's aimed at providing full functionality	22:00
oliver_g3	... right, why do I actually bother to ask ;)	22:00
Stroganoff	look at the readme and screenshots	22:00
Stroganoff	i still wouldn't mount swap, /var and /tmp on SSD	22:00
oliver_g3	just wondering how it was possible to make xubuntu even smaller (I thought it was about as small as possible=	22:00
oliver_g3	well I have 512MB ram...	22:01
oliver_g3	the sd card was cheap... if it fails, no big thing	22:02
oliver_g3	:-)	22:02
Stroganoff	yeah well	22:02
Stroganoff	thats right	22:02
Stroganoff	btw theres no wifi manager yet included	22:02
Stroganoff	in my script	22:02
oliver_g3	oh...	22:03
oliver_g3	I need that...	22:03
oliver_g3	:-)	22:03
oliver_g3	any idea how to add one?	22:03
oliver_g3	what would it take to add network-manager and stuff?	22:05
oliver_g3	too big?	22:05
Stroganoff	oliver_g3 just some: sudo apt-get wifi-radar gnome-system-tools	22:06
Stroganoff	i myself have no wifi hardware available so i couldn't be bothered yet	22:06
oliver_g3	btw. what ubuntu version is it based on? 7.10?	22:06
Stroganoff	but im working on it	22:06
Stroganoff	you can use 7.10 or 8.04	22:06
oliver_g3	what would you recommend?	22:07
Stroganoff	8.04 is a little faster	22:07
Stroganoff	but there might be some bugs left	22:07
Stroganoff	soooo	22:07
Stroganoff	7.10 for now :D	22:07
oliver_g3	ok	22:07
Stroganoff	i'd really like to now how my scripts runs on eee :D	22:08
oliver_g3	I just noticed I have that iso here anyway, so 7.10 it is	22:08
Stroganoff	the alternate iso?	22:08
oliver_g3	yes	22:08
Stroganoff	good	22:08
Stroganoff	ethernet port available too?	22:08
oliver_g3	yes	22:08
Stroganoff	i think you'r good to go	22:08
oliver_g3	... right... how do you recommend to install it to SD card?	22:09
oliver_g3	I would do same as the (failed) xubuntu attempt: run qemu and have /dev/sda as first disk	22:09
oliver_g3	the eee has no cd drive, that makes installation difficult...	22:10
Stroganoff	just use some ubuntu netinstall guide	22:10
Stroganoff	https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#head-ca8e337bdfab6bfa1d064371898775fe1e9e22fd	22:12
j1	Hi, am I connected? Is my first time in irc ...	22:28
Stroganoff	nope	22:29
Stroganoff	try again	22:29
j1	ggg :-)	22:29
j1	at last !!	22:29
Stroganoff	now this is irc	22:30
Stroganoff	it's not THAT big as one would have thought, is it?	22:30
j1	had trouble with xcfe keyboard shortcuts	22:30
Stroganoff	;-)	22:30
Stroganoff	what kind of trble?	22:31
j1	oh, thanks ... I just want so assign a ket to the applications menu, but don't find the way	22:31
j1	(a key)	22:32
Stroganoff	sudo mousepad /usr/share/xfce-mcs-plugins/shortcuts/default.xml	22:32
Stroganoff	it's not possible to assign the WINKEY to the menu, just in case you wonder :D	22:32
Stroganoff	you'd have to use icewm for that (i.e. not xubuntu)	22:32
j1	well, I'm just trying ... ah, not possible to use win key, ja ja , it's just that I've been trying :-)	22:33
Stroganoff	you can use winkey as a modifier (like shift and alt) but not as a single button	22:34
Stroganoff	most open source developers have great fears of implementing the same degree of usability as microsoft did, hehehe	22:35
Stroganoff	one could accuse them of "stealing" just for doing the only logical thing (making everything convenient that is)	22:35
j1	Ok, Thanks... In fact i neither like microsoft's ways, but just used to push that key :-) ... So, with that mousepad...etc will I be able to assign the menu to a key, as for example the "m" one??	22:36
Stroganoff	yes, j1	22:39
Stroganoff	you see, there is <shortcut command="xfce4-popup-menu" keys="Control+Escape"/>	22:39
Stroganoff	change that line	22:39
j1	hi, please Stroganoff, I'm on it, what have I to put instead?	22:40
Stroganoff	by the eay, i'm not just used to push that WINKEY, i like it	22:40
Stroganoff	just replace "Control+Escape" with M	22:40
Stroganoff	but then you wont be able to TYPE m (in chats etc) without popping up the menu	22:40
j1	ahh, fantastic :-)	22:40
Stroganoff	you might be interested in my ubuntu light script based on icewm.	22:41
Stroganoff	winkey included :D	22:41
Stroganoff	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631	22:41
j1	arrr... so better to choose another key... alrigt, you're a mine of resources , ggggg	22:41
Stroganoff	yeah well i'm trying ;)	22:42
j1	wow, did you made your own desktop I see ...	22:43
Stroganoff	yes	22:44
j1	HI Stroganoff, I just thanked your useful post in the forum!!! As to the editing of the default.xml file :It seems to somehow work, as now the new shortcut do appear when clicking on applications->settings->keyboard settings, in the default theme for shortcuts. The problem is that I created a month ago another theme (named jc) which is now the active one, and I'm not able to activate back the default theme. I see that the default for t	23:07
Stroganoff	"...default for t" ?	23:08
j1	yes.. the default shortcut key for the applications menu was ctrl-esc, but almost never worked in my laptop.	23:09
Stroganoff	mousepad .config/xfce4/shortcuts/jc.xml	23:10
j1	ok ... doing	23:10
oliver_g3	grml... the installation in qemu froze near the end :-((	23:11
oliver_g3	isn't there a way to copy an iso file onto the card and add some bootloader than can directly read the iso file?	23:11
Stroganoff	https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#head-ca8e337bdfab6bfa1d064371898775fe1e9e22fd	23:13
oliver_g3	right... but isn't there an easier way? :-(	23:13
Stroganoff	"Preparing the Flash Drive using isotostick.sh" doesnt sound that hard to me	23:15
Stroganoff	oliver_g3 do you copy?	23:32
Stroganoff	sudo ./isotostick.sh ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso /dev/sdX1	23:32
oliver_g3	yes...	23:33
Stroganoff	i'd try that	23:33
oliver_g3	had to make partitions first	23:33
Stroganoff	ok :D	23:33
oliver_g3	and install syslinux	23:33
Stroganoff	yeah u need some linux for that i guess :D	23:33
oliver_g3	and just remembered that I'm right now copying the stuff onto the sd card onto which I actually want to install the system :-(	23:34
oliver_g3	don't you happen to have a "basic" alternate install (raw hard disk image) around that you could upload? That could be put onto the sd card with dd?	23:35
Stroganoff	if have a vmware image of a basic install	23:36
oliver_g3	how much space does it take?	23:36
Stroganoff	680mb :/	23:37
Stroganoff	wow	23:37
oliver_g3	ugh	23:37
Stroganoff	that much	23:37
oliver_g3	that's too much	23:37
TheSheep	you can use the minima cd	23:38
TheSheep	it will download the rest from the net	23:38
Stroganoff	no cd drive.	23:39
TheSheep	Stroganoff: put the iso on the card	23:39
oliver_g3	well the copying has finished, and I have booted from the sd card	23:39
Stroganoff	you could create an extra partition for the iso2hdd	23:39
oliver_g3	tried the rescue option, but it seems it wants to install instead :-/	23:39
TheSheep	there is also an option of netboot :)	23:40
Stroganoff	https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot	23:40
oliver_g3	TheSheep: do you know a way to put an iso file on the card and add a bootloader that can directly load the iso file?	23:40
Stroganoff	that tutorial sucks though	23:40
TheSheep	oliver_g3: no, you have to mount the iso with loop and copy the files from it	23:41
Stroganoff	http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso	23:41
oliver_g3	btw. does the alternate cd have some simple live console system available, so I can check if it has correct network drivers and stuff?	23:41
Stroganoff	nope	23:43
Stroganoff	you have a raw bash at ctrl+alt+fX	23:43
Stroganoff	during installation	23:44
oliver_g3	yes, it's a busybox...	23:44
Stroganoff	yeah well whatever dude ;)	23:44
Stroganoff	do you fear ubuntu not having drivers for eee?	23:45
oliver_g3	yes	23:45
Stroganoff	i dont think xandros has coded their own binary drivers	23:45
oliver_g3	I had an usb stick laying around which has a bootable feisty system on it	23:45
oliver_g3	it booted, but no ethernet and no wireless :-/	23:46
Stroganoff	k thats feisty	23:46
oliver_g3	it's some atheros chipset, so I'm not sure about drivers	23:46
Stroganoff	http://ubuntu-eee.tuxfamily.org <--- there's nothing about special drivers	23:47
Stroganoff	they say just to use a vanilla ubuntu cd with isotostick	23:47
Stroganoff	so i'm confident	23:47
Stroganoff	ah wait	23:48
oliver_g3	well it's late already (nearly 1:00 AM) so I won't do much more today	23:48
Stroganoff	i'd scrap feisty from the stick and use it to install eee	23:49
oliver_g3	will probably have to do that	23:49
oliver_g3	but not today :-)	23:49
oliver_g3	thanks for your help	23:50
Stroganoff	np	23:50
oliver_g3	I'll get back to this tomorrow	23:50
oliver_g3	night...	23:50

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