[00:35] I am trying to install xubuntu on my old compaq presario 1675 and it hangs at Starting Common Unix Printing System Cupsd. [00:36] herro? [00:51] I have a question [00:51] Can Xubuntu run on Microsoft's Virtual PC? [00:51] Anyone? [00:52] It's okay, I'll just wait... [00:52] ...take your time... [00:54] ... [00:56] . [00:56] .. [00:56] Xubuntu runs fine in VirtualBox which is some open source (with free closed source version too) virtualisation software. [00:56] ... [00:57] Oh [00:57] Twilt: adding dots will not make people answer any faster :) [00:57] http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox [00:57] So would it run on VPC or just VBox? [00:59] Twilt: I have no idea about VPC - but if you want to run a virtual copy of Xubuntu, you could do it on Windows or Os X for free using VirtualBox [01:01] Does anyone here know about the making windows icons on the desktop instead of minimising them? I have turned off Thunar's icons and I want to have a window list and a set of icons on the desktop for minimsed windows. I thought this was possible in XFCE, but I can't see how [01:04] I'm gonna try using the Xubuntu alternate instal on Virtual PC. [01:04] Wish me luck [01:13] So far so good [01:14] But it failed on networking or something [01:14] oh well [01:15] Twilt: any reason you don't want to use virtualbox? [01:16] I just had Virtual PC already installed so I figured I'd just use that [01:17] Twilt: cool, if you can't get over the network problems, I can assure you the VirtualBo stuff works (on OS X At least) - I did an install last night :) [01:33] lol [01:33] It's installing just fine [01:34] way better than freespire [01:34] I couldn't get that to install worth a damn [01:35] If I really like Xubuntu I might install Ubuntu on my main system (with windows) via Wubi. [01:35] But it all depends [01:35] I've seen screenshots and so far I like what I've been seeing [01:35] But there's not as much apps for linux [01:35] they're all for XP [01:36] That's why I'm gonna have a dual-boot system with Wubi [01:36] It's still 83% installing the kernel. [01:36] It's taking a little while [01:39] Twilt: I did a wubi install of Xubuntu last night too - no kidding :) [01:40] Twilt: it works well, I can recommend it. [01:41] doh - didn't notice he'd gone... [01:42] (or she :S) [02:01] Help! [02:01] My Xubuntu install is stuck at 94% [02:01] It's been there for what feels like half an hour [02:02] It says "Installing Extra Packeges - retreiving and installing acpi..." [02:03] Could I possibly somehow skip this step so it could actually work? [02:03] After all, It's just an exta pack. [02:03] Please Help Me! [02:04] *sighs* [02:05] . [02:05] .. [02:06] ...anyone? [02:08] Hello? [02:08] Am I the only one actually on this channel? [02:09] :'( [02:10] I'm sad now [02:11] no one will help me [02:11] *sniff* [02:11] what is your issue? [02:11] i can try [02:12] okay just give me a second [02:12] k [02:12] My Xubuntu install is stuck at 94% [02:12] It's been there for what feels like half an hour [02:13] It says "Installing Extra Packeges - retreiving and installing acpi..." [02:13] Could I possibly somehow skip this step so it could actually work? [02:13] After all, It's just an exta pack. [02:13] Right? [02:13] um i think you can disbale the apci in the bios. [02:13] what kind of machine are u installing it on [02:13] ? [02:13] But it's just in the middle of installing now [02:13] Virtual PC [02:13] i have seen in forums how it hangs some machines [02:14] oh it is vitrual? [02:14] hmmm [02:14] yeah... [02:14] have you found to make it not hang on those forums by any chance? [02:14] i am not sure how to skip it from the install process [02:14] I kinda figured [02:14] Whatever [02:14] I just wanted to try a taste [02:15] yeah but it was not virtual....so the solution was to disable apci in the BIOS [02:15] If I liked it I was gonna install Ubuntu 8.04 when it's ready using Wubi [02:15] what virtua.l sevrer are u runnig it on? [02:15] I like Wubi lol [02:15] vmware server? [02:15] Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 [02:16] Whatever [02:16] ahhh your brave!! installing Linux on an MS virtual server?? [02:16] It's not a real big deal [02:16] i bet they break it on purpose haha [02:16] LOL [02:16] Stupid microsoft [02:16] haha [02:16] Windows is actually pretty sucky [02:16] I just use it because That's the OS most apps are for [02:17] i have got both ubuntu and xbuntu working with vmware server [02:17] That's why I'm gonna make a dual-boot once I get Wubi [02:17] yeah [02:17] ah ok [02:17] vmware server runs on windows too [02:17] I suppose I could try VMWare [02:17] Probably better [02:17] it is [02:17] supports other OSes than Windows [02:18] by VPC [02:18] yup...linux, bsd, solaris [02:18] Sweet [02:18] and its free too! [02:18] I've only really heard or linux [02:19] I should lookj at those other two [02:25] Hello everyone [02:25] Can anyone help me with a problem I'm having with Xubuntu? [02:26] Bradley - perhaps - what kind of problem :)? [02:27] Well, I just put in the installation CD [02:27] and I selected install [02:27] but it seems that the OS isn't installing [02:27] what _is_ happening? [02:27] My screen is showing a bunch of horizontal lines [02:27] on a blue background [02:28] hmmm. What spec is your machine? [02:28] 1.66 mhz intel processor [02:28] 512 ram [02:29] It's an old machine [02:29] is that 166Mhz or 1.6 Ghz [02:29] But I' [02:29] Ahh, the 512mb ram ansers that :) [02:29] 1.6 Ghz [02:29] Sorry [02:29] I need more memory? [02:29] There are a few options it seems: The Ubuntu installer CD has a 'safe graphics mode' which you could try (I think that is the terminology used...) [02:30] Alright [02:30] If that doesn't work, do you have any other suggestions? [02:30] Or failing that there is an 'alternate install CD' that doesn't have a graphical installer, but is still quite easy [02:31] Okay [02:31] I'll start downloading that now, just in case. [02:31] pfischer: You told me to download VMWARE Server right? [02:31] It's Twilt by the way [02:31] Bradley: In case you're worried about the spec being too low (you suggest it an old PC) - I have it running on a 300Mhz with 128mb ram and it copes fine [02:31] yup [02:32] k good [02:32] I'm downloading it now [02:32] I hope it works [02:32] It's not too old [02:32] pfscher, HelloHappyHacker: Why Server not Player? Isn't Player free and Server not? [02:32] server is free [02:32] It's about 5 years old, and technology gets outdated fast. [02:32] yup [02:32] you just have to register [02:33] Bradley: Yea, it should be fine.... Have you tried the saf grahics mode? [02:33] That's what I just put it in [02:33] HelloHappyHacker: cool. Not available for OS X :( [02:33] ... [02:33] I have windows though [02:33] HelloHappyHacker: not me ;) [02:33] yay...for once [02:33] Alright [02:33] yeah you do.......they need to send u serial number [02:33] Seems to be working [02:34] I'll check back here if I have any problems [02:34] Bradley: Cool. Enjoy :) [02:34] Thank you very much [02:34] That's the only thing worth getting wwindows for, Programs, programs, programs! [02:34] You can use bootcamp to run Windows on OSX [02:34] if you have an intel [02:34] HelloHappyHacker: But now you're so experienced with VMWare you can run Ubuntu all the time and run the few windows programs in a Vm - yay :P [02:35] lol [02:35] HelloHappyHacker: VirtualBox works great for me, so I don't need VMWare server :) [02:35] I never really thought about it that way [02:35] Instead of running linux in Windows, I could run windows in linux [02:36] but then I might looase some of my files [02:36] whatever. [02:36] Once Ubuntu 8 is out I'm gonna make a dual-boot system using Wubi [02:36] HelloHappyHacker: you could certainly keep all your files, but like you said earlier - seeing if you like Ubuntu by using a VM is a good idea first [02:36] That's the plan [02:36] HelloHappyHacker: Yea, Wubi is great - I used that last night too :) [02:37] Sweet [02:37] I'm just gonna get it when it and Ubuntu are out of beta (stable public release) [02:37] wubi?? what is that? [02:37] Specail Ubuntu Installer [02:37] Google it [02:38] ah ok [02:38] WUBI@ [02:38] !wubi [02:38] wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234 and http://wubi.org [file wubi bugs here: https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta) [02:38] pfischer: it lets you install Ubuntu from _within windows_ [02:38] hmm [02:38] ah ok...thats why i have never used it.... [02:38] probably [02:38] destoryed my windows builds a long time ago haha [02:38] I think it's the best option for me [02:38] lol [02:38] I want a dual boot [02:38] yup what ever works for ya [02:39] Yeah [02:39] I just installed ubuntu as a dual boot [02:39] pfischer: It's great for Xubuntuising old laptops that had Windows preinstalled and no CDROM :) [02:39] besides, all of my other family uses XP on this computer and they would be pissed if something changed that [02:39] Bradley: Already!? [02:39] DUAL-BOOT! [02:39] Whenever I'm doing anything that doesn't require Windows specific programs, I use it [02:39] yay [02:39] I had it before [02:40] I've just never used xubuntu [02:40] I heard it's supposed to be very good [02:40] right....that is what i am running on this ibm t22.....xubuntu. [02:40] Ubuntu that is [02:40] best linux out ther [02:40] depends on your purposes [02:40] it is the most user friendly for sure [02:40] true [02:40] That's what I want [02:41] I also heard it's faster than XP [02:41] is that true? [02:41] Ubuntu is not nearly so good for older hardware as Xubuntu. [02:41] yup xubuntu on old hw is great [02:41] Well Xubuntu is MADE for older hardware/low RAM situation [02:41] HelloHappyHacker: From my person benchmarking: Xubuntu is quicker than XP for most things... [02:41] Oh for sure [02:41] Sweet [02:41] gnome and kde are a bit heavy [02:41] It [02:41] What about Ubuntu [02:41] :? [02:42] It's not full of all the bloatware you get with Windows [02:42] i got fluxbuntu working on a 600MHz 64MB hp desktop. maybe i'll try xubuntu on it [02:42] That's good news [02:42] ...i guess [02:42] i personally find most linux distros faster that xp.... [02:42] And I can also have semitransparent windows, nice drop shadows on windows, etc on a PII300Mhz with 2Mb Video ram - I actually don't understand how!? [02:42] LOL [02:42] (and 128mbRam) [02:42] Haha [02:42] plus you can configure them all to your liking [02:43] That's the great thing about linux [02:43] I heard they're actually working on linux for wii [02:43] lol that'll be great [02:43] I'm installing Xubuntu on an old PC of mine to use it as a FTP file server [02:43] Though sometimes the configurability is bad - like... if you have work to do... ;) [02:43] you can put ubnutu on a ps3 [02:43] ahh [02:43] haha [02:43] my next project [02:44] Awsome [02:44] but i don't have ps3 [02:44] :( [02:44] You can put Linux on lots and lots of stuff [02:44] yup [02:44] ipods!! [02:44] If I do work I'll probably just wind up Using MS office [02:44] Phones, Xboxes, [02:44] I would put it on my ipod, but Rockbox is far better [02:44] haha [02:44] even though it's really slow it gets the job done [02:44] Bradley: Was it easy to install? [02:44] It's still going [02:44] (Rockbox, that is) [02:44] Oh [02:44] Yeah [02:44] They have linux for everything [02:45] ...almost [02:45] It's great. Easy to configure, and simple to customize [02:45] hello, im having a bit of trouble installing xubuntu in text mode, it gets all the way to "Installing the kernel - retrieving and installing linux-generic...." and then stays there [02:45] I wish I could get it on MY iPod. But I have a new one with stupid encrypted frimware [02:45] I put it on my 1st gen nano. [02:45] Bradley: and the one thing that worries me: I always see screenshots with ugly fonts - can you have nice smooth fonts like on Apple's software (yes, I am a design geek :P) [02:45] I have a 3g nano [02:46] Oh, you can import a number of different fonts [02:46] and games too, I believe. [02:46] Stupid apple. encrypting theyre ipod firmware [02:46] Check out their website. [02:46] Bradley: But do any of them look *nice*? [02:46] I dislike them for that [02:46] But apple does have a nice interface. I have to give them that [02:46] ouellettesr: Have you verified your CD? [02:46] I haven't tried them all out. But I'm sure there are some that are nice because Rockbox has a pretty sizeable user base and it's all open source, I believe. [02:47] OMG VMWare is taking forever to download [02:47] yeah luv osx.....i run it on my amd desktop [02:47] still at 33% [02:47] hackintosh [02:47] Who_, , no ill do that now [02:47] use to run gentoo on it [02:47] gentoo? [02:47] it is a linux distro [02:47] oh [02:47] ouellettesr: good luck - I hope it is that, because that is simple to fix :) [02:47] lol [02:48] :D [02:48] :D [02:48] =oP [02:48] my new friends...to some degree [02:48] :P [02:49] Is Wubi gonna come bundled with Ubuntu 8.04? [02:49] HelloHappyHacker: Don't know, but it is a 100k download or something :) [02:49] I see [02:50] i always just use the live cd when installing [02:50] Well it's an OS. What do you expect? [02:50] I gotta go now. [02:50] latr [02:50] I'll talk to you guys later [02:50] cya [02:50] Either as Twilt or HelloHappyHacker [02:50] HelloHappyHacker: Good luck with your virtual machine. Remember that VirtualBox is free and works well too if you don't succeed [02:50] I have two identiees [02:50] shh [02:50] k [02:51] Who_ : does Wine work in an Xubuntu inside VirtualBox? :P [02:52] keb: hmmmm. I haven't tested it and can't right now as I don't have my USB disk that the VB image is on [02:52] keb: would be interesting to know! though not so handy, methinks :P [02:53] hehe [02:53] Unless you _had_ to run Windows apps on Os X on an Intel Mac with out paying for Windows... [02:53] but I think DarWine still exists to fill that hole... [02:55] What exactly /is/ VirtualBox? [02:56] Which browsers are people using with Xubuntu? Firefox is a little heavy for one of my systems.... [02:57] FireFox 3 has the lowest memory use of any mainstream browser if that's what you're referring to as heavy. [02:58] isnt w3m lower [02:59] I'm sure it is. But w3m isn't exactly mainstream. [03:00] low memory use isnt mainstream ;) [03:00] Haha, true. [03:02] i ran the test on the cd and it says its valid, not sure where to go now [03:05] hi there [03:05] how to upgrade without downloading the install cd ? [03:08] edit you /etc/apt/sources.list file and change all instances of fiesty to gutsy [03:09] inazad, that is if you are usinf fiesty right now [03:09] euh [03:09] i'm using 7.10 [03:09] i want 8.04 beta [03:11] this should work http://www.ubuntugeek.com/upgrade-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-to-ubuntu-804-lts-hardy-heron-beta.html [03:11] thx [03:11] grr. Didn't mean to ask a Q and then leave - got disconnected. Did anyone answer the browser question? [03:12] browser question ? [03:12] I asked which lightweight browsers people were using. Firefox is a little too heavy here [03:13] hmm use Opera [03:13] FireFox 3 has the lowest memory use of any mainstream browser if that's what you're referring to as heavy. [03:13] isnt w3m lower [03:13] I'm sure it is. But w3m isn't exactly mainstream. [03:13] low memory use isnt mainstream ;) [03:13] Haha, true. [03:14] ouellettesr, i'm on xubuntu.. its will works ? [03:14] Who___ here is a list of browsers for a light xubuntu install http://www.abload.de/img/ubuntu-light-menu2zuu.png [03:14] It is slow to start and UI is not very responsive [03:14] thanks keb [03:14] inazad, im not sure i havent used hard yet [03:15] taken from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4661346 [03:17] I'm just profiling gtk themes (with gtkperf) there's quite a bit of variation. I guess that it is very minimal in real life context though. [03:57] hi [03:57] how can I play windows games on xubuntu? [04:01] Who___ don't thank me thanks Stroganoff [04:01] am I lag? [04:01] how can I play windows games on xubuntu? [04:01] yep [04:01] use wine or cedega [04:02] are free? [04:02] see http://appdb.winehq.org/ for compatibility [04:02] wine is free [04:04] Bradley: Did it work? [04:11] anyone alive???? [04:11] I'm alive [04:11] you can use wine [04:12] yea, I'm alive too :) [04:12] But I have a new question [04:12] I am trying to login to my xubuntu account it says that user or pass are incorrect! [04:12] Where can I see them? [04:12] Or what can I do? [04:14] ummmm [04:14] And I just installed it [04:14] I am sure my login is correct [04:14] do I need to re-intall? [04:21] no [04:21] n-iCe: Are you aware that capitalisation matters on Linux? [04:21] i think there is some lag here [04:21] nope [04:22] just kidding ^^ [04:22] Stroganoff: But looking at n-iCe's user name I wouldn't be surprised if that was the problem :P [04:23] definately something pebcak [04:24] lol, indeed [04:25] woo. Opera is speedy fun [04:26] yeah [04:26] but only nightly works with current flash [04:26] 300mhz is not really enough to work with flash anyway :( [04:27] yep [04:27] http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/ [04:27] shiny [04:28] gnash or flash? [04:28] That was a kinda eerie mind-read situation. I had just gone to Digg and thought. Geez - what's really slowing this down is the ADS :P [04:29] adblock is vital for light weight browsing ^^ [04:29] yea, something I'd not considered until now... [04:32] it would be nice if there was some way to turn off all but essential images [04:33] Know what Opera's business model is these days? [04:33] isnt it still adware [04:33] "essential" is surely rather subjective? [04:34] objectively speaking: images not required for function of pages e.g. form buttons [04:34] i could imagine nice ways to implement that feature [04:35]