[00:01] ScottK: mine reports charging=false and discharging=false when it is fully charged ... but I wouldn't be surprised if other laptops reported it as true+true [00:02] Hmmm [00:02] * ScottK looks [00:04] fdoving: I can reproduce it when resizing the window. [00:04] I guess if it actually fixes something I'll upload it. [00:10] ScottK2: we can't even use the battery logic for detecting it, as it uses the ac_adapter.present value as part of it's logic ... (and with the possibility of having multiple batteries it will in any case be a complete mess) [00:10] awen-: Nevermind. I've got two laptops. One says true/true and the other says true/false so I know it won't work. [00:11] ScottK: okay... we really don't stand a chance then [00:11] It was an idea, just not a workable one as it happens. [00:11] Oh well. [00:12] * ScottK goes to make dinner. [00:12] ScottK: would've been nice with some HAL consistency anyway [00:12] * awen- goes to bed [00:12] see you all tomorrow [00:42] heh, Gweled ey? :) [00:42] nice name actually :) [00:43] (and they say KDE's obsessed with K's) [00:43] btw hi nixternal!! how was your talk? [00:43] right [00:43] talk went good, a lot of interested people showed up [00:43] the big question for Foresight was...how about KDE? :) [00:43] * nixternal kicks jtate in the shin :) [00:44] hah! I thought that was decided long ago? [00:44] (...never to walk in anyone's shadow!) [00:44] it is, it has just been a bit more quiet than their Gnome push [00:44] sorry.. song butt in :) [00:44] hehe [00:45] not surprised, considering how Foresight is sort of pushing itself to be a "premiere" GNOME distro (like Ubuntu) [00:46] Well [00:46] Klairvoyance, a KDE distro based on Foresight Linux :P [00:46] standard Gnome Distro [00:46] not sure if that's the same as premiere [00:47] Jucato: their plan is to do the same with KDE as well as Xfce [00:47] Jucato: that would rock! :) [00:47] not sure if "premiere" was the right term [00:47] Gnome is where they got their start, but they don't hate on KDE, which is kind of nice for a change [00:47] * daSkreech would wear a Klarivoyance T-Shirt [00:47] Xavier, an Xfce distro based on Foresight Linux [00:47] * Jucato wonders if people will get the reference :P [00:49] nixternal: Documentation + bzr questions... well, I guess it applies to all documents in a VCS. How would you format the text in your text editor to be VCS friendly? [00:49] daSkreech: users will be called klairvoyants :) [00:50] vim's reformat paragraph (aka, set it up so that each line is up to 80 chars) creates a lot of noise in (bzr|svn) diff... the whole paragraph gets changed because you added one word and it made all the lines bump a word down. [00:50] Have one sentence per line or? [00:55] Nightrose: congratulations, took me a bit longer to read the mail [00:55] seaLne: ;-) to you too [00:55] * Nightrose hugs seaLne [00:56] http://ev.kde.org/members.php \o/ [00:56] \o{ [00:57] \o/ even ;-) [00:57] i was trying to work out what that ment :) [00:58] hehe [00:58] wow! congrats to both :) [00:58] thx Jucato :) [01:39] * mndo is away: sleepy time.. not around.. pvt me.. === mndo is now known as mndo_AWAY [02:35] Riddell: please renew :) === skreech is now known as DaSkreech [08:38] Tonio_: know anything about this swiss use? http://education.zdnet.com/?p=1615 [08:39] apachelogger: I think I'll upload kdebindings unless you object [08:40] apachelogger: what's the status with amarok 1.5.9? [08:50] Riddell: yeah I heard about that ;) [08:50] Riddell: but I don't have a lot of informations [08:50] morning [08:50] Riddell: the belgium post is going linux too, my company will attempt to kickass novell on the project and put kubuntu there [08:51] ;) [08:51] kick the arse of, not kickass, opposite thigs [08:51] things [08:51] ah ?? [08:51] * Tonio_ takes his english dictionnary [08:51] Americanisms can be confusing [08:52] "it's shit" bad. "the shits" good. they're a funny lot [08:52] but no less confusing than French using "terrible" to mean good :) [08:53] Riddell: hehe, true :) [08:53] Riddell: well in fact terrible means good or bad, depending the context [08:53] arg! [08:54] talking about an "terrible accident" means a lot bad [08:54] LOL [08:54] oops [08:54] "ma copine est terrible" ? [08:54] sorry for the caps [08:54] but "une fille terrible" means a super cool girl :) [08:54] Riddell: exactly [08:54] Riddell: that is really complicated, I know :) [08:55] I can imagine that causing wars to start [08:55] Riddell: ma copine est terrible is really positive [08:55] hi Riddell [08:55] ah, raphink [08:55] I saw you pinged me yesterday [08:55] :) [08:56] I keep my irc session at work open when i'm home ;) [08:56] how are you doing Riddell [08:56] et salut Tonio_ aussi :) [08:56] raphink: I'm all groovy [08:56] great [08:56] raphink: your membership of kubuntu-members is about to expire, shall I renew? [08:56] sure, please :) [08:57] I lost my membership on motu and dev [08:57] but I renewed core-dev on time [08:57] so I still have upload rights [08:57] so hopefullly I can still be useful for something === never|mobi is now known as neversfelde|mobi [08:58] done [08:59] yo mon raphink ! ca fait un bail ! [08:59] :) [08:59] ah j'ai cru que tu faisais la gueule :) [08:59] raphink: on peut plus causer français maintenant :'( je suis tout seul ici [08:59] booh [08:59] bah non, simplement, j'ai beaucoup de taff, donc je chatte moins :) [09:00] hehe [09:00] :) [09:00] idem [09:00] raphink: faut dire qu'on te voit plus beaucoup dans le coin ;) [09:00] je me doute [09:00] mais je suis toujours connecté ici [09:00] Tonio_: je suis toujours là [09:00] par contre sur Paris, j'y suis pas souvent [09:00] ;) [09:00] c'est vrai que j'aurai pu faire un petit ping [09:00] raphink: bah dis moi quand tu y es, qu'on se fasse une bouffe [09:00] Riddell: sorry, that'll end soon :) [09:01] ben j'y serai à partir de demain soir mais je doute que j'aurai le temps [09:01] raphink: :/ [09:01] j'y suis aussi [09:01] ça va plutôt être des dîners de famille et de SSII [09:01] ah ok [09:01] à moins que tu puisses venir à Bagnolet pour manger ensemble un midi [09:01] je serai à Bagno jeudi et vendredi [09:01] bah à l'occasion alors, mais bon ca ferait plaisir de bouffer avec toi [09:01] :) [09:02] euh, je crois que moi aussi ! [09:02] attends [09:02] Tonio_: "un bail"? "de taff"? [09:02] un bail = a long time [09:03] bail refers to a legal rental time, which is 9 years [09:03] de taff = du travail [09:03] so it's long [09:03] taff = work [09:03] ;) [09:03] Riddell: that's popular language [09:03] * Lure joined wrong channel ;-) [09:03] "une bouffe"? [09:03] hi raphink & Tonio_ ;-) [09:03] hi Lure [09:04] Riddell: like if you say "thune" for money, that refers to a very old money that doesn't exist anymore, but the expression remains [09:04] Riddell: "se faire une bouffe" = "eat together" [09:04] or "blé" for money [09:04] or "oseille" [09:04] raphink: pez [09:04] that refers to a time when money didn't even exist :) [09:04] yeah we have a lot and a lot of popular synonisms [09:04] hey Lure :) [09:04] "Bagnolet"? "Bagno"? [09:05] Riddell: yep that's a city :) [09:05] Bagno is a short for Bagnolet [09:05] it's a town close to Paris [09:05] morning [09:05] I'll actually be working at the "Porte the Bagnolet" which is the Bagnolet gate in Paris [09:05] hi jpatrick [09:05] Porte DE Bagnolet sorry [09:06] lol [09:06] raphink: I confirm I am at bagnolet on thursday and friday too :) [09:06] Tonio_: :) [09:06] raphink: I give a samba session there [09:06] tu vas dancer ? [09:06] :) [09:06] hey raphink :) [09:06] Tonio_: I give a Debian packaging session there [09:06] :) [09:06] for the ratp [09:06] on thursday [09:06] raphink: who for ? [09:06] and a Debian buildd/repository management session on friday [09:06] and a bit of Debian FAI debugging, too [09:07] Tonio_: Orange Portails, là où je bosse [09:07] :) [09:07] raphink: I gave the same last month hehe :) [09:07] raphink: si ca se trouve c'est juste a coté ! [09:07] je tente de former les employés ;) [09:07] Tonio_: nos locaux sont près des mercuriales [09:07] d'habitudes on mange soit au supermarché, soit au grenier [09:07] (le grenier c'est cher, mais c'est FT qui paie :) ) [09:08] avenue Gambetta 93170 Bagnolet [09:08] ca te parle ca ? [09:08] oui [09:09] on est au 7 avenue gambetta [09:09] ;) [09:09] 93170 Bagnolet [09:09] ;) [09:09] c'est ce que j'ai dans notre annuaire aussi [09:09] ;) [09:09] in the same street ???????? [09:09] bon alors on bouffe ensemble alors ? ;) [09:09] bien sûr ;) [09:09] tu connais le grenier? [09:10] non [09:10] c ou ? [09:10] (si ta SSII monte à 25€/repas) [09:10] c'est dans les petites rues à côté de l'avenue Gambetta [09:10] à 2 minutes à pied [09:11] sinon y'a d'autres trucs sympas [09:11] je crois que le jeudi il y a couscous au café du coin [09:11] sinon il y a le restau à pates au supermarché, qui est super bon [09:12] raphink: ca serait pitet mieux de boire un coup après le taff non ? [09:13] raphink: parceque le midi je vais pas avoir beaucoup de coupure :/ [09:13] comme tu veux [09:13] :) [09:13] ok [09:13] moi j'ai 1h30 jeudi environ [09:13] et 2h vendredi [09:13] environ [09:13] t'as toujours le même numéro ? 4413 à la fin ? [09:13] pour manger [09:13] yep [09:13] je dois avoir une heure, pas plus [09:13] bon ben je t'appelle :) [09:14] ça roule ;) [09:14] marrant le hasard ;) [09:14] oui pas :) [09:14] Riddell: I'll train you to the french argo, promissed [09:14] ou pas [09:14] haha [09:14] :) [09:14] * jpatrick sings: "Long live th language barrier" [09:14] Riddell: first lesson, to say "money", you can say : [09:14] flouze [09:14] biffetons [09:14] fric, thune, pez, oseille, flouze [09:15] blé [09:15] oseille [09:15] bas de laine [09:15] sous [09:15] petit cochon [09:15] enfin c'est moins courant [09:15] ;) [09:15] yep :) [09:15] balles [09:15] Riddell: second lesson will be to talk about sex, there we have LOTS of expressions ;) [09:16] raphink: yes, "balles" too :) [09:16] les gens ne disent plus vraiment "balles" d'ailleurs [09:16] je crois que c'est le passage à l'euro [09:16] raphink: ils disent "boules" [09:16] balles réferrait trop au franc [09:16] Tonio_: on habite pas dans le même quartier [09:16] ;) [09:16] haha [09:16] * raphink habite à vallauris, la "zone" de la côte d'azur [09:16] raphink: mais le pire ca reste pour parler de cul, la on pourrait faire un dico juste pour ca [09:17] les gens ici disent qu'il faut pas aller à vallauris [09:17] raphink: j'habite a orléans maintenant [09:17] heureusement qu'ils n'ont pas besoin d'aller à la grande borne [09:17] oui je sais Tonio_ [09:17] ah bah vi je suis con moi ! [09:18] bon bah cool, a jeudi alors ! [09:18] je dois me préparer, je fais un don de plasma ce midi [09:19] ok [09:19] moi je dois faire ma valise ce soir [09:19] :) [09:19] jpatrick: sorry for the french speech, but we didn't for so long..... I had to do it :) [09:20] oka [09:20] raphink: okay [09:20] marrant quand même qu'on se retrouve dans la même rue, et que comme par hasard on en cause l'avant veille..... [09:20] c bizarre la vie des fois [09:20] Tonio_: its no problem at all :) [09:20] jpatrick: :) [09:20] oui c'est marrant [09:21] comme jpatrick qui m'a expliqué comment renouveler mon abonnement à ubuntu core-dev sur LP 3 jours avant que ce soit trop tard [09:21] il a sauvé la mise ;) [09:21] ca se renouvelle ? [09:21] oui [09:21] il faut clicouiller [09:22] well I think I understood that \o/ [09:22] le lien est donné dans le mail que tu reçois avant d'être désinscrit [09:22] impossible de le trouver sinon [09:22] jpatrick: ;) [09:22] jpatrick: I'm thankful you told me how to do it [09:22] raphink: I have to look at that then, since I was core-dev just after you [09:22] raphink: yay, I did :D [09:23] Tonio_: tu as reçu le mail pour te prévenir de l'imminence de ta désinscription? [09:23] nope [09:23] raphink: mais il faudra que je fasse gaffe dans les semaines a venir [09:24] do you have the link jpatrick? [09:25] raphink: I think they changed the renewal ways at launchpad now.. [09:25] oh yes? [09:26] well, I can't renew my kubuntu-members'ship without poking an admin.. [09:27] jpatrick: yours is renewed [09:27] Riddell: thanks! [09:27] :) [09:28] Tonio_: try: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+member/tonio [09:28] jpatrick: it depends on the team [09:28] I've set kubuntu-members to allow self-renewal now [09:51] what's the real name of zack "opensource" of kubuntuforums? [09:52] * jpatrick only knows the Zack bit [09:53] got it from whois :) === hunger_t is now known as hunger === snowolf_ is now known as snowolf === luka74 is now known as Lure === jpetso is now known as jpetso|announce === jpetso|announce is now known as jpetso === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_away === davmor2_away is now known as usages === usages is now known as davmor2_away [14:13] Riddell: I don't think I'm going to have time to deal with Bug #209227. I can reproduce the problem, but I don't have time to do proper testing. I can build test packages and see if the fix works, but I don't think I can do proper regression testing to be comfortable with uploading. [14:13] Launchpad bug 209227 in qt-x11-free "KDE3 icons flickering" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209227 [14:13] If you think it's reasonable to upload the patch if it fixes the problem, I'll do it, but it might be better if someone else did some testing. [14:15] ScottK2: just upload it then, see what breaks [14:15] Riddell: Will do. [14:23] Riddell: Currently qt-x11-free has a kubuntu_08_gcc43_buildfix.dpatch patch in debian/patches that's not in the 00list. Should I add that too so it gets applied? [14:23] ScottK2: ok [14:23] I'll add that one then. [14:39] Riddell: I'm working on bug 209368 [14:39] Launchpad bug 209368 in konversation "[hardy] OSD doesn't work in Konversation anymore" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209368 [14:39] I think I have the fix [14:40] Tonio_: you got my mail fit the second patch? [14:40] *with [14:41] yep [14:41] I guess the gcc4.3 build failure patch wasn't applied for a reason. It doesn't apply, so I'll leave that one alone. [14:41] ok :) [14:55] Riddell: are you using the system-config-printer-kde ? [14:55] Riddell: everytimt I use it, there is a bug [14:55] Riddell: sometimes it just freezes [14:55] sometimes I have cups error, even if printing has worked like a charm [14:56] currently I have a document in its spool, nothing in cups, nothing in kjobviewer [14:57] Tonio_: yes, it works pretty well for me [14:57] I can't delete it, since I receive a "cups server error" because it tries to delete something that isn't really in the spool [14:57] well I'd like to get people's opinion about it, since I have lots of problems with it [14:57] Riddell: have you tried to cancel jobs and so on ? [14:58] Riddell: I had to refresh manually to get it back to normal [14:58] Riddell: shouldn't we force a refresh lett's say..... every 30 seconds in case of problem ? [14:59] works last I tried === davmor2_away is now known as davmor2 === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [15:34] Riddell: The qt3 patch fixes that bug and my laptop didn't immediately catch on fire, so I'm going to upload it. [15:36] ScottK2: go for it [15:36] Already went. Uploaded. [15:36] Riddell: I'll try to reproduce and eventually track the refresh problem [15:43] Nightrose: konversation uploaded [15:43] Tonio_++ [15:43] :) [15:44] :) [16:09] Sime: any idea why this doesn't work? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kapplication.py [16:19] Sime: it looks like KAction doesn't have the necessary c++ slot to python slot magic [16:21] * claydoh wanders off to start the Dolphin Supporters Society [16:45] Riddell: I'm guessing you saw on #debian-qt-kde, but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-x11-free/+bug/94282 might be something we want to do. [16:45] Launchpad bug 94282 in qt-x11-free "QT program doesn't select Chinese font correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:45] * ScottK is lacking brain power to properly consider it at the moment though. [16:47] Nevermind. I guess we have that patch already. [16:51] ScottK: where is the patch in that bug report? [16:52] It links to a Debian bug that was fixed with the 61_ I don't remember what patch that we have already. [16:52] So I think it's actually fixed. [16:52] I'm not sure and I didn't get enough sleep last night to think it through. [16:53] 61_eastern_asia_languages.diff [16:53] Wow. [16:53] Qt 4.4 + KDE 4.1 is damn fast [16:53] ScottK: we don't have 61_eastern_asian_languagues.diff [16:54] Of course I've got the Debian version unpacked right now. [16:54] * ScottK head desk [16:55] time to switch full time to KDE4 I think (: [16:55] Riddell, thanks for the inkscape backport :) [16:55] So. Anyway. That patch from Debian was one it was suggested we consider. [16:55] * ScottK wanders off for a nap. [16:58] * smarter finally falls in love with KDE4 [17:07] Tonio_, raphink: is there an ubuntu french wiki? [17:08] Riddell: yep [17:08] Tonio_: c'est ou? [17:08] sure [17:08] http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/ [17:08] Riddell: http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/ [17:08] very well done [17:08] ;) [17:08] raphink: hehe [17:09] formidable [17:09] Riddell: and it is VERY good [17:09] Riddell: probably as content rich as the english one [17:09] on the desktop side at least [17:09] claydoh: thanks for keeping kubuntu-users mildly sane [17:10] Riddell: http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/adept [17:11] Riddell: just an example with adept, and you have that for every software of the distribution.... [17:11] Riddell: I try, don't know how well it works :) [17:11] Riddell: it could be used to build our docs in fact, but would need translation :) [17:11] but I have to keep myself sane first, [17:13] not as good at the art of debate as I would like [17:13] Tonio_: pourquoi? tout la monde peux apprendre Francais! [17:15] Riddell: s/Francais/le français/ (: [17:16] Tonio_: pourquoi? tout la monde peux apprendre le francais! [17:16] * Riddell n'ai pas un cedila [17:16] Riddell: c'est vrai [17:17] *cédille [17:17] * Riddell n'ai pas un cedille¢ [17:17] Riddell: here is one for free: ç [17:17] ? [17:17] * Riddell n'ai pas le utf-8 [17:18] Kubuntu, linux for french being [17:18] sounds pretty cool :) [17:19] smarter: french ? [17:19] Tonio_: ouais [17:19] ah vi, j'avais jamais fait le rapprochement :) [17:19] :p [17:20] d'ailleurs c'est moi qui est écrit http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/adept (: [17:20] smarter: "ouais"? [17:20] Riddell: slang for oui [17:20] slang that's longer than the original :) [17:21] Riddell: true :) [17:21] Riddell: making words as short as possible is typically english you know :) [17:22] we love long words in france :) [17:22] that reminds me of kwwii who always tries artwork with french language, since the words are super long :) [17:23] German is better for that (: [17:23] * Nightrose was thinking the same ;-) [17:23] hehe [17:23] +1 [17:24] Enbenutzerlizenzvereinbarungen for example, means EULA [17:24] smarter: yes but with german there is no limit with the size of words, since you can concatenate them [17:25] German cheats :p [17:34] * blizzzek demonstrates [17:39] ScottK: excellent, that patch fixes chinese! [17:44] Cool. [17:52] did any dev attempt to build kde 4.1 packages yet? like in a ppa.. === gribelu_ is now known as gribelu [17:54] gribelu: nope [17:55] well then i hope the alpha or beta will have fewer bugs than 4.0.x :) [17:57] i think debian experimental have trunk packages. [17:58] apachelogger: kdebindings built :) https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/kdebindings-kde4/4:4.0.3-0ubuntu1 [18:00] i'd rather wait for kubuntu packages because i need them for my main machine.. don't want to to reinstall kubuntu on it anytime soon :D [18:00] Sime: would you have a FindPyKDE4.cmake to complement FindPyQt4.cmake? [18:00] Riddell: Are you going to take care of the chinese patch then? [18:02] apachelogger: erk, no it's not, ignore me [18:02] ScottK: yeah, can do [18:03] Riddell: Thanks. I'm still pretty fried. I think one Main upload for today is my limit. [18:07] Riddell: Any thoughts about if I should look into Bug #156158 - It's got a string change so it'd impact translations (one string added)? [18:07] Launchpad bug 156158 in scribus "In Gutsy Gibbon, Url in Scribus does not launch Firefox" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156158 [18:08] ScottK: can do [18:14] Riddell: Meaning you'll look into it or I should if my brain wakes up? [18:14] ScottK: uploaded :) [18:14] Cool. [18:15] * ScottK descends back into his mental fog. [18:18] Sime: please take a look at printer-applet in kdereview and comment on the kde-core-devel thread "system-config-printer" if you think it should be included in kdebase for 4.1 [19:06] hi [19:06] hi Aikurn [19:06] i just noticed that yesterday was kubuntu's official birthday [19:07]