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ubotuNew bug: #213664 in launchpad "Add infrastructure for expandable inline help" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21366400:15
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emgentSteveA: ping01:10
Rinchenemgent, it's after 2am for him, don't think he'll be here01:22
emgentok thanks Rinchen 01:25
emgentthere is a big problem for autentication (cookie) via python-launchpad-bugs01:25
Rinchenhmm. I'm not familiar with python-launchpad-bugs so I can't help unfortunately.01:26
emgentnp :)01:26
emgenti will complete it at UDS01:27
ubotuNew bug: #213697 in launchpad-bazaar "Display a more helpful error message on creating .bzr underneath a project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21369701:35
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ubotuNew bug: #213742 in launchpad-bazaar "Sorting branch listing by "most recently changed first" puts unscanned branches first" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21374205:00
twbLast I heard, launchpad was mostly Free software with a few proprietary bits.  Is it possible to apt-get install launchpad to get a working instance on an internal company server for use with internal projects?05:34
LaserJocktwb: more the other way around05:35
LaserJockmostly proprietary with a few open bits05:36
twbOh.05:36
LaserJockand no, the source isn't available05:36
twbPresumably the source of the Free parts must be available.05:37
LaserJockyeah, storm and cvsps I think are the names05:37
mwhudsoncscvs05:41
mwhudsoncvsps is something similar, and yet different :)05:41
LaserJockah, I wondered as when I googled it it didn't bring up the expected results05:42
jameshtwb: if you are interested in using Launchpad for private work, Elliot can probably help you05:42
twbjamesh: well, I'm really not interested in using non-Free software.  I thought maybe the non-Free bits were e.g. the BTS and could be swapped out for Free components.05:43
jameshelliot.murphy@canonical.com05:43
ubotuNew bug: #213758 in launchpad-bazaar "Remove revision author column from branch listings" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21375805:46
ubotuNew bug: #213759 in launchpad-bazaar "Remove the product column from branch listings for people and teams" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21375905:46
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carlosmorning07:48
mptGooooooooood morning Launchpadders!08:00
mdkemorning mpt08:01
jmehdiI uploaded a .po file two weeks ago and its status is "needs review". I don't understand... who will review it? Can't I just upload my .po files so as they could be translated?08:02
mdkejmehdi: when a project starts to use translations for the first time, the administrators need to review the po file; carlos and his team can help08:03
jmehdithe LP admins? not the project's admin? why?08:03
carlosjmehdi: hi08:06
carlosjmehdi: you have that explained at https://help.launchpad.net/TranslationsImportPolicy08:06
carlosjmehdi: btw, which product are we talking about?08:07
jmehdihttps://translations.launchpad.net/webstrict08:07
carlosjmehdi: unfortunately, I had to reject your request, I sent you an email with the explanation to follow our standard procedure08:14
carlosjmehdi: however, I'm happy to follow up it here08:14
LaserJockcarlos: hmm, that page uses "product". Isn't that now "project"?08:15
LaserJockor am I reversing it?08:15
carlosjmehdi: basically, you are not using English strings as msgids in your application, and thus, is impossible to use Launchpad right now for that. Translators will not know how to translate the IDs because is not English08:15
carlosLaserJock: I'm sorry, It's a problem in my side, we used to name it products and I use the wrong term from time to time08:16
jmehdiok, actually I was just wondering if my po file was right ;)  I'm reading the gettext help... 08:16
carlosjmehdi: did you generate the .po file yourself?08:16
mptLaserJock, anywhere you see "product" is wrong08:17
carlosisn't your application using gettext to translate it?08:17
jmehdiyes, from the .properties file 08:17
carlosjmehdi: are those java .properties ?08:17
jmehdiyes08:17
LaserJockmpt: well, it's a few places on that TranslationsImportPolicy page, shall I change it?08:17
carlosjmehdi: as far as I know, gettext supports java properties08:18
mptLaserJock, no worries, I'm doing it08:18
LaserJockmpt: fine08:18
LaserJockwe need to have help.l.n karma :-008:18
LaserJock:-) rather08:18
carlosLaserJock: oh, so that's in that wiki page I pointed at?08:19
carlosI guess we forgot to update it O:-)08:19
LaserJockcarlos: yep08:19
jmehdicarlos: what do you mean exactly? 08:20
carlosjmehdi: gettext commands are able to extract java .properties strings to produce a .po file automatically08:21
carlosjmehdi: look at the xgettext man page08:21
carlosso you don't need to create it by hand08:21
jmehdiyes I did that but I think I used wrong arguments, I'm going to generate the po file again08:23
carlosok08:23
jmehdiActually I used msgcat, I'm going to use xgettext08:25
jmehdiahhh, I understood :)08:26
jmehdiI need to update my java app so the msgid are equals to the english descriptions, and not just "fake" keys, right?08:27
mptdone08:28
carlosjmehdi: right08:28
carlosjmehdi: that's not really a requirement from Launchpad08:29
carlosbut the right way to do it for translators, so they don't need to deal with different files while doing translations08:29
carlosjmehdi: hmm, however, I don't have experience with java .properties and gettext08:30
carlosjmehdi: so maybe gettext does that mapping automatically08:30
carlosgiven that I'm not sure whether those .properties files allow you to use an English string08:30
carlosinstead of that ID08:30
jmehdiok, thanks, I'm going to do some tests ;)08:32
carlosyou are welcome08:33
ubotuNew bug: #213795 in launchpad "broken link to +editemail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21379508:35
forsakenhi, my branch appears to be locked, i tried to break-lock it, but it just seems to reset to locked again...anyone who can help me?08:38
forsaken bzr+ssh://eric-holscher@bazaar.launchpad.net/~eric-holscher/fredvents/main/08:39
forsakenheld by eric-holscher@bazaar.launchpad.net on host vostok [process #28992]08:39
spivforsaken: keep re-running break-lock08:45
spivforsaken: did that help?08:48
forsakenyea08:50
forsakenthanks :)08:50
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SteveAemgent: hi09:21
FujitsuCan I get Malone to do less nastily basic searches for me? Say, searching for bugs with a certain subscriber in Ubuntu that are fixed in Debian (which doesn't count as upstream, it seems)? It'd be even better to also be able to choose a useful list of fields for the output. But I suppose such useful features won't be on the roadmap for another couple of years.10:39
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ubotuNew bug: #213869 in launchpad "mailist error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21386911:51
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ahasenackhi all13:38
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ahasenackI have created a new series and need existing milestones moved into it, do I need to request an admin to do it?13:38
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thatchWhen an lp admin gets a spare moment, could you please check on the status of the enblend cvs import? It seems to be "Processing" an awful long time. <https://launchpad.net/enblend/trunk>14:09
HobbseeFujitsu: that one's probably worth filing.  I only had to wait ~4 months, iirc, for a bug similar than that to be fixed (search inside project, by subscriber)14:10
jmehdicarlos: I uploaded the webstrict .po file again14:11
jmehdihope it is fine this time14:11
carlosjmehdi: hi14:11
carloslet me check...14:12
carlosjmehdi: you are nearly there... the template shouldn't have any translation14:13
carlosso it should be:14:13
carlosmsgid "Foo"14:13
carlosmsgstr ""14:13
carlosjmehdi: however, I can approve that file now14:13
jmehdiok :-D14:13
jmehdiI can update it now14:13
carlosso is just something you should fix with next update14:13
carlosoh, ok14:13
carlosthen I will wait :-)14:13
jmehdilet me 2 min ;)14:13
jmehdicarlos: done ;)14:18
jmehdihope it is the good one!14:18
carlosjmehdi: it looks much better, thanks :-)14:19
ahasenackI have created a new series and need existing milestones moved into it, do I need to request an admin to do it?14:20
jmehdibtw, is the first string very useful? (the one with metadata)14:20
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emgenthello Seveas 14:23
matsubaraahasenack: I believe we can't do that using the web UI. that might need some DB surgery. Can you file a request in https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad  ?14:27
jmehdiI also have another question: I have another app which uses complex xml files that contains translatable strings; how could I manage their translations on LP?14:27
matsubaraahasenack: add the project series and the milestone you want moved.14:27
ahasenackmatsubara: ok, thanks. For now it would be only one series and about 3 milestones, but later I would like to migrate all older milestones to new series yet to be created14:28
ahasenackwe never used series before, it's all just milestones14:28
ahasenackso there is one big "trunk" series with lots of milestones in it14:28
ubotuNew bug: #213956 in launchpad "[Feature Request] Templates for further information field" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21395614:50
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ubotuNew bug: #213982 in malone "Launchpad usability issue with relating bug to multiple packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21398215:40
ubotuNew bug: #213985 in launchpad "Subscribed bug not shown in list of subscribed/all bugs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21398515:45
\shaye...I just created a team, activated ppa, uploaded a source package -> ftbfs because of missing sources ,-)15:59
\shbut now we have "rebuild" for ppas...how nice is that...thx :)16:00
ubotuNew bug: #214010 in malone "winmail.dat e-mail attachments" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21401016:36
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emgentSteveA: ping17:10
SteveAemgent: hi17:11
emgentheya17:11
HobbseeSteveA: lives!17:14
Mezif I set my LP email address as mez@ubuntu.com - where will email go ?17:38
beunoMez, I have it as beuno@ubuntu.com, and it goes to the gmail account it originally got pointed at17:39
beunoI think it get associated once, and then it just stays that way17:39
Mezbeuno, but you have only those addresses assosciated with you17:40
* Mez has lots17:40
Mezso it might just be sending to ALL of your addresses17:40
beunoMez, I suspect the @ubuntu address get assigned to one address when you get approved, and it just stays that way for ever and ever17:41
beunoI think LP plays no real role in where @ubuntu emails go17:41
Mezbeuno, no, because I've changed addresses that it forwards to before through LP17:41
elmobeuno: that's not correct17:41
beunoah, then my suspicion was wrong  :)17:42
beunoit must be a cron job of some sort then, no?17:42
Mezelmo, IIRC you wrote that bit... would you be able to answer for me ?17:42
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elmobeuno: it's a semi-automated cron job17:43
elmoMez/bueno: if you set your preferred email to @ubuntu.com, your @ubuntu.com could disappear.  I'd highly recommend you don't do that 17:44
beunoelmo, I've had that for over a year now17:44
elmoright now, if your @ubuntu.com previously had a forwarding address, it'll stick to that address, but that's simply a bug17:44
Mezelmo, hehe.  Fair enough17:45
elmobeuno: not pointing at @ubuntu.com you haven't17:45
beunoelmo, no? I recall changing it ages ago17:45
elmobeuno: *shrug* according to bzr you changed it within the last month17:46
Mezelmo, thanks for the info. Be nice if we could set it to "display" as @ubuntu.com17:46
elmoMez: I agree, i think there's a bug open on LP about this17:46
elmoMez: but right now, all I can do when generating @ubuntu.com aliases is picked the preferred address17:46
Mezelmo, yeah, I think I opened it ;)17:46
beunoelmo, I'm 100% sure I've changed it many many months ago17:46
* Mez would love to see a "preferred address" and "forwarding address"17:47
beunoelmo, I'll change it now, and somebody should probably blog/email about it, and maybe even block it from being done17:47
beunonot sure what bzr is saying, but I've had the @ubuntu as preferred since early last year17:48
beunoit even has a new interface now  :)17:49
Mezhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/5292/ for those interested17:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 5292 in launchpad "People setting preferred contact address to @ubuntu.com" [Medium,Confirmed] 17:52
SteveArockstar_: ping18:02
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emgentSteveA: i found solution.. Bug #19257518:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 192575 in python-launchpad-bugs "HTTPConnection: Firefox 3 stores cookies in sqlite database" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192575 - Assigned to Brian Murray (brian-murray)18:27
marshi all, quick question about bug gardening etiquette18:30
marsI'd like to mark #204202 as a dupe of #23244, but I'm not sure if I want the dup hidden18:31
marsthe duplicates page says "Marking the bug as a duplicate will, by default, hide it from search results listings."18:32
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marsI'm concerned that others searching for the same issue will not find bug 204202, like I did18:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 204202 in gnome-terminal "Ctrl+Z in Terminal doesn't work with dvorak layout" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20420218:33
LaserJockMez: that's seriously a bug?18:36
LaserJockI think I've had my @ubuntu.com as me preffered for gosh, over a year I think18:37
beunoLaserJock, not according to elmo 18:37
* beuno ducks18:37
elmo...18:38
LaserJockwell, I've never known what to do with the "Preferred Address"18:38
LaserJockI *want* my mail to go to my @ubuntu.com18:38
LaserJockso that's what I set18:38
LaserJockelmo: so that's not what the sysadmins want?18:39
ion_Hi18:52
LaserJockion_: have you looked for a bug or filed one?18:52
ion_laserjock: Just about to look for one, but if one doesn't exist, i thought i'd discuss it here first.18:53
ion_There doesn't seem to be a bug already reported. Here goes: while we're waiting for apt+zsync, would it be feasible to implement pdiffs in Soyuz for apt-get update in the meantime? The pdiff functionality has been implemented and tested in Debian.18:58
staniIs it possible to have ppa build automagically from bzr code which is hosted on launchpad (without having to use manually dput)?19:11
LaserJockstani: nope19:13
staniLaserJock: thanks19:14
LaserJockion_: you might get more discussion out of a bug report19:17
ion_laserjock: Yeah. i'll report one.19:18
staniWhich distrorelease I have to put in the changelog when I upload to a PPA with dput if I want builds for dapper, feisty, gutsy, hardy?19:58
LaserJockyou need a package for each of those20:01
LaserJockwith the corresponding releases in the changelog20:02
kikoLaserJock, is that a feature or a bug -- reason I'm asking is because if you uploaded it to an old version in the main archive it would automatically be available for the new version, right?20:03
staniLaserJock: Thanks: are all distros available from dapper on?20:03
LaserJockstani: yes20:03
LaserJockkiko: exactly20:03
LaserJockkiko: it seems to be a big issue for people20:03
LaserJockmostly upstreams20:04
LaserJockwho don't want to bother with packaging really20:04
LaserJockfor me I like to look at each release carefully anyway for change in deps, etc.20:04
LaserJockkiko: but I'd say having to have a different package for each release is the biggest complaint I've heard recently with PPA20:12
kikoLaserJock, one question is how would we allow people to republish into a new version.20:14
LaserJocknew release?20:15
LaserJockkiko: debian policy allows a packager to specify more than one release in the changelog I believe20:17
LaserJockif you just used that to build the archive metadata it should work20:17
kikoLaserJock, yes. but how do you survive when a new version is released?20:17
LaserJocknew version of what?20:17
stanipochu: are you there?20:26
LaserJockkiko: PPAs just seem to be a bit different use case, where people often add packages across many, already released, releases20:26
LaserJockthe distros are basically linear20:26
LaserJockstani: can you really use the same package for dapper-hardy?20:27
LaserJockstani: I would think differences in python packaging would cause problems20:27
staniLaserjock: It is a pure python package, but maybe you are right.20:28
staniHmm... it even doesn't seem to work for Hardy: https://launchpad.net/~stani/+archive/+build/55758920:29
staniDo I have to do a "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot  -S -sa" or a "dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa"?20:30
ubotuNew bug: #214131 in launchpad "Support conditional GET on collections" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21413120:31
LaserJockstani: you might try rebuilding that package (there is a button in the UI for it)20:31
LaserJockstani: it didn't even start building but died trying to add your repo to it's sources.list20:31
staniLaserJock: Why is that?20:32
LaserJockstani: debuild -S -sa works20:32
LaserJockstani: if it's your first package for Hardy it could be it hadn't actually built the hardy repo yet20:32
staniI did with fakeroot. Is that wrong?20:32
LaserJockno20:32
LaserJockdebuild = dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot20:33
LaserJockjust shorter20:33
staniIt is indeed my first package.20:33
staniok thanks20:33
LaserJockok, hit the retry button then, I think that might be it20:33
staniI pushed the button.20:33
stanican I build the other distroreleases source packages also on a hardy machine?20:35
LaserJockhow do you mean?20:37
LaserJockthe source packages?20:37
staniI mean I want to build my phatch (photo batch processor) for different distro-releases.20:38
staniI am working now on a hardy machine.20:38
staniphatch is already in the universe repositories for hardy, but people want it on gutsy20:38
LaserJockwell, you can use it to build the source packages, in general20:38
LaserJockbut you would want to use a pbuilder or sbuild to do test .debs20:39
staniMaybe I am naive but now I just change the distrorelease in the changelog and try to dput the foo_source.changes20:40
stanibefore when I was on gutsy I succesfully built .deb packages20:41
stanibut now I upgraded to Hardy20:41
staniLaserjock: Thanks, hardy succeeded https://launchpad.net/~stani/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all20:42
LaserJockstani: yeah, if it's just a source package you want then go for it20:42
LaserJocksometimes if there's big changes to build scripts it can be a tad difficult, but in general it should work20:43
LaserJocklike if there was a policy change lintian might complain about the old package20:44
patryshi guys, a classic RTFM case here - how do I get a distro added to lp?20:44
LaserJockpatrys: I believe you need to get ahold of the Launchpad admins. You could email launchpad-users mailing list20:45
Rinchenpatrys, read https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/22  and if you still want to register, submit a Question 20:46
Rinchenpatrys, at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad20:46
patrysRinchen: why would I not want to register? :)20:48
Rinchenpatrys,  :-) 20:48
patrysRinchen: and thanks for the links20:48
Rinchenpatrys, I think you should if it's for pld :-)20:49
patrysRinchen: it's for PLD20:49
Rinchencool!20:49
RinchenI can't say for certain but that might be our first RPM based distro20:49
Rinchenstatik, kiko ^^20:49
staniwhat is PLD?20:49
Rinchenhttp://www.pld-linux.org/20:49
patrysRinchen: fedora is registered with launchpad20:50
kikopatrys, I think he means officially using launchpad.20:52
emgentRinchen SteveA: We  found the true problem Bug #21413720:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 214137 in python-launchpad-bugs "[internal server error] while trying to file a bug" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214137 - Assigned to Markus Korn (thekorn)20:53
emgentheya sabdfl 20:59
sabdflhowdy20:59
affluxieh, I just got a email from kubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com about not being allowed to post there. The attached message is a copy of the changes email I produced because of marking duplicates in LP.21:09
afflux(the email was this one: http://pastebin.ca/977373)21:11
affluxNote that I don't have anything to do with kubuntu-devel ;)21:11
staniLaserJock: it gets refused for gutsy, any idea: MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.21:14
staniLaserjock: Don't bother, I get help already.21:28
RainCTHi21:30
RainCTIs there some way for a script to look for new bugs reported againts a project? (somewhat like ubotu does for #ubuntu-bugs-announce)21:31
RainCTAnd perhaps even something to watch out for new bzr commits, too?21:33
mwhudson_there are feeds for both of these things21:35
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mc__Well but something that pushes would be better than pulling. Anyone knows how Ubotu works?21:37
mwhudsoni think maybe ubotu subscribes to bug mail?21:38
mwhudsoni don't really know though21:38
mwhudsonwhich is another option: you can subscribe to branches too21:39
mc__Well that sounds really interesting.21:39
ubotuNew bug: #214121 in malone "alsa in ubuntu or sox interface" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21412123:02
clskdoes launchpad offers an issue tracker for thing other than bugs?23:39
clskthings*23:39
clsklike specific tasks and features23:40
thumperclsk: LP uses blueprints to plan (some) features23:47
thumperclsk: but not yet random tasks23:47
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