[00:15] <ubotu> New bug: #213664 in launchpad "Add infrastructure for expandable inline help" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213664
[01:10] <emgent> SteveA: ping
[01:22] <Rinchen> emgent, it's after 2am for him, don't think he'll be here
[01:25] <emgent> ok thanks Rinchen 
[01:25] <emgent> there is a big problem for autentication (cookie) via python-launchpad-bugs
[01:26] <Rinchen> hmm. I'm not familiar with python-launchpad-bugs so I can't help unfortunately.
[01:26] <emgent> np :)
[01:27] <emgent> i will complete it at UDS
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #213697 in launchpad-bazaar "Display a more helpful error message on creating .bzr underneath a project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213697
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #213742 in launchpad-bazaar "Sorting branch listing by "most recently changed first" puts unscanned branches first" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213742
[05:34] <twb> Last I heard, launchpad was mostly Free software with a few proprietary bits.  Is it possible to apt-get install launchpad to get a working instance on an internal company server for use with internal projects?
[05:35] <LaserJock> twb: more the other way around
[05:36] <LaserJock> mostly proprietary with a few open bits
[05:36] <twb> Oh.
[05:36] <LaserJock> and no, the source isn't available
[05:37] <twb> Presumably the source of the Free parts must be available.
[05:37] <LaserJock> yeah, storm and cvsps I think are the names
[05:41] <mwhudson> cscvs
[05:41] <mwhudson> cvsps is something similar, and yet different :)
[05:42] <LaserJock> ah, I wondered as when I googled it it didn't bring up the expected results
[05:42] <jamesh> twb: if you are interested in using Launchpad for private work, Elliot can probably help you
[05:43] <twb> jamesh: well, I'm really not interested in using non-Free software.  I thought maybe the non-Free bits were e.g. the BTS and could be swapped out for Free components.
[05:43] <jamesh> elliot.murphy@canonical.com
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #213758 in launchpad-bazaar "Remove revision author column from branch listings" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213758
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #213759 in launchpad-bazaar "Remove the product column from branch listings for people and teams" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213759
[07:48] <carlos> morning
[08:00] <mpt> Gooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[08:01] <mdke> morning mpt
[08:02] <jmehdi> I uploaded a .po file two weeks ago and its status is "needs review". I don't understand... who will review it? Can't I just upload my .po files so as they could be translated?
[08:03] <mdke> jmehdi: when a project starts to use translations for the first time, the administrators need to review the po file; carlos and his team can help
[08:03] <jmehdi> the LP admins? not the project's admin? why?
[08:06] <carlos> jmehdi: hi
[08:06] <carlos> jmehdi: you have that explained at https://help.launchpad.net/TranslationsImportPolicy
[08:07] <carlos> jmehdi: btw, which product are we talking about?
[08:07] <jmehdi> https://translations.launchpad.net/webstrict
[08:14] <carlos> jmehdi: unfortunately, I had to reject your request, I sent you an email with the explanation to follow our standard procedure
[08:14] <carlos> jmehdi: however, I'm happy to follow up it here
[08:15] <LaserJock> carlos: hmm, that page uses "product". Isn't that now "project"?
[08:15] <LaserJock> or am I reversing it?
[08:15] <carlos> jmehdi: basically, you are not using English strings as msgids in your application, and thus, is impossible to use Launchpad right now for that. Translators will not know how to translate the IDs because is not English
[08:16] <carlos> LaserJock: I'm sorry, It's a problem in my side, we used to name it products and I use the wrong term from time to time
[08:16] <jmehdi> ok, actually I was just wondering if my po file was right ;)  I'm reading the gettext help... 
[08:16] <carlos> jmehdi: did you generate the .po file yourself?
[08:17] <mpt> LaserJock, anywhere you see "product" is wrong
[08:17] <carlos> isn't your application using gettext to translate it?
[08:17] <jmehdi> yes, from the .properties file 
[08:17] <carlos> jmehdi: are those java .properties ?
[08:17] <jmehdi> yes
[08:17] <LaserJock> mpt: well, it's a few places on that TranslationsImportPolicy page, shall I change it?
[08:18] <carlos> jmehdi: as far as I know, gettext supports java properties
[08:18] <mpt> LaserJock, no worries, I'm doing it
[08:18] <LaserJock> mpt: fine
[08:18] <LaserJock> we need to have help.l.n karma :-0
[08:18] <LaserJock> :-) rather
[08:19] <carlos> LaserJock: oh, so that's in that wiki page I pointed at?
[08:19] <carlos> I guess we forgot to update it O:-)
[08:19] <LaserJock> carlos: yep
[08:20] <jmehdi> carlos: what do you mean exactly? 
[08:21] <carlos> jmehdi: gettext commands are able to extract java .properties strings to produce a .po file automatically
[08:21] <carlos> jmehdi: look at the xgettext man page
[08:21] <carlos> so you don't need to create it by hand
[08:23] <jmehdi> yes I did that but I think I used wrong arguments, I'm going to generate the po file again
[08:23] <carlos> ok
[08:25] <jmehdi> Actually I used msgcat, I'm going to use xgettext
[08:26] <jmehdi> ahhh, I understood :)
[08:27] <jmehdi> I need to update my java app so the msgid are equals to the english descriptions, and not just "fake" keys, right?
[08:28] <mpt> done
[08:28] <carlos> jmehdi: right
[08:29] <carlos> jmehdi: that's not really a requirement from Launchpad
[08:29] <carlos> but the right way to do it for translators, so they don't need to deal with different files while doing translations
[08:30] <carlos> jmehdi: hmm, however, I don't have experience with java .properties and gettext
[08:30] <carlos> jmehdi: so maybe gettext does that mapping automatically
[08:30] <carlos> given that I'm not sure whether those .properties files allow you to use an English string
[08:30] <carlos> instead of that ID
[08:32] <jmehdi> ok, thanks, I'm going to do some tests ;)
[08:33] <carlos> you are welcome
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #213795 in launchpad "broken link to +editemail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213795
[08:38] <forsaken> hi, my branch appears to be locked, i tried to break-lock it, but it just seems to reset to locked again...anyone who can help me?
[08:39] <forsaken>  bzr+ssh://eric-holscher@bazaar.launchpad.net/~eric-holscher/fredvents/main/
[08:39] <forsaken> held by eric-holscher@bazaar.launchpad.net on host vostok [process #28992]
[08:45] <spiv> forsaken: keep re-running break-lock
[08:48] <spiv> forsaken: did that help?
[08:50] <forsaken> yea
[08:50] <forsaken> thanks :)
[09:21] <SteveA> emgent: hi
[10:39] <Fujitsu> Can I get Malone to do less nastily basic searches for me? Say, searching for bugs with a certain subscriber in Ubuntu that are fixed in Debian (which doesn't count as upstream, it seems)? It'd be even better to also be able to choose a useful list of fields for the output. But I suppose such useful features won't be on the roadmap for another couple of years.
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #213869 in launchpad "mailist error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213869
[13:38] <ahasenack> hi all
[13:38] <ahasenack> I have created a new series and need existing milestones moved into it, do I need to request an admin to do it?
[14:09] <thatch> When an lp admin gets a spare moment, could you please check on the status of the enblend cvs import? It seems to be "Processing" an awful long time. <https://launchpad.net/enblend/trunk>
[14:10] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: that one's probably worth filing.  I only had to wait ~4 months, iirc, for a bug similar than that to be fixed (search inside project, by subscriber)
[14:11] <jmehdi> carlos: I uploaded the webstrict .po file again
[14:11] <jmehdi> hope it is fine this time
[14:11] <carlos> jmehdi: hi
[14:12] <carlos> let me check...
[14:13] <carlos> jmehdi: you are nearly there... the template shouldn't have any translation
[14:13] <carlos> so it should be:
[14:13] <carlos> msgid "Foo"
[14:13] <carlos> msgstr ""
[14:13] <carlos> jmehdi: however, I can approve that file now
[14:13] <jmehdi> ok :-D
[14:13] <jmehdi> I can update it now
[14:13] <carlos> so is just something you should fix with next update
[14:13] <carlos> oh, ok
[14:13] <carlos> then I will wait :-)
[14:13] <jmehdi> let me 2 min ;)
[14:18] <jmehdi> carlos: done ;)
[14:18] <jmehdi> hope it is the good one!
[14:19] <carlos> jmehdi: it looks much better, thanks :-)
[14:20] <ahasenack> I have created a new series and need existing milestones moved into it, do I need to request an admin to do it?
[14:20] <jmehdi> btw, is the first string very useful? (the one with metadata)
[14:23] <emgent> hello Seveas 
[14:27] <matsubara> ahasenack: I believe we can't do that using the web UI. that might need some DB surgery. Can you file a request in https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad  ?
[14:27] <jmehdi> I also have another question: I have another app which uses complex xml files that contains translatable strings; how could I manage their translations on LP?
[14:27] <matsubara> ahasenack: add the project series and the milestone you want moved.
[14:28] <ahasenack> matsubara: ok, thanks. For now it would be only one series and about 3 milestones, but later I would like to migrate all older milestones to new series yet to be created
[14:28] <ahasenack> we never used series before, it's all just milestones
[14:28] <ahasenack> so there is one big "trunk" series with lots of milestones in it
[14:50] <ubotu> New bug: #213956 in launchpad "[Feature Request] Templates for further information field" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213956
[15:40] <ubotu> New bug: #213982 in malone "Launchpad usability issue with relating bug to multiple packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213982
[15:45] <ubotu> New bug: #213985 in launchpad "Subscribed bug not shown in list of subscribed/all bugs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213985
[15:59] <\sh> aye...I just created a team, activated ppa, uploaded a source package -> ftbfs because of missing sources ,-)
[16:00] <\sh> but now we have "rebuild" for ppas...how nice is that...thx :)
[16:36] <ubotu> New bug: #214010 in malone "winmail.dat e-mail attachments" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214010
[17:10] <emgent> SteveA: ping
[17:11] <SteveA> emgent: hi
[17:11] <emgent> heya
[17:14] <Hobbsee> SteveA: lives!
[17:38] <Mez> if I set my LP email address as mez@ubuntu.com - where will email go ?
[17:39] <beuno> Mez, I have it as beuno@ubuntu.com, and it goes to the gmail account it originally got pointed at
[17:39] <beuno> I think it get associated once, and then it just stays that way
[17:40] <Mez> beuno, but you have only those addresses assosciated with you
[17:40]  * Mez has lots
[17:40] <Mez> so it might just be sending to ALL of your addresses
[17:41] <beuno> Mez, I suspect the @ubuntu address get assigned to one address when you get approved, and it just stays that way for ever and ever
[17:41] <beuno> I think LP plays no real role in where @ubuntu emails go
[17:41] <Mez> beuno, no, because I've changed addresses that it forwards to before through LP
[17:41] <elmo> beuno: that's not correct
[17:42] <beuno> ah, then my suspicion was wrong  :)
[17:42] <beuno> it must be a cron job of some sort then, no?
[17:42] <Mez> elmo, IIRC you wrote that bit... would you be able to answer for me ?
[17:43] <elmo> beuno: it's a semi-automated cron job
[17:44] <elmo> Mez/bueno: if you set your preferred email to @ubuntu.com, your @ubuntu.com could disappear.  I'd highly recommend you don't do that 
[17:44] <beuno> elmo, I've had that for over a year now
[17:44] <elmo> right now, if your @ubuntu.com previously had a forwarding address, it'll stick to that address, but that's simply a bug
[17:45] <Mez> elmo, hehe.  Fair enough
[17:45] <elmo> beuno: not pointing at @ubuntu.com you haven't
[17:45] <beuno> elmo, no? I recall changing it ages ago
[17:46] <elmo> beuno: *shrug* according to bzr you changed it within the last month
[17:46] <Mez> elmo, thanks for the info. Be nice if we could set it to "display" as @ubuntu.com
[17:46] <elmo> Mez: I agree, i think there's a bug open on LP about this
[17:46] <elmo> Mez: but right now, all I can do when generating @ubuntu.com aliases is picked the preferred address
[17:46] <Mez> elmo, yeah, I think I opened it ;)
[17:46] <beuno> elmo, I'm 100% sure I've changed it many many months ago
[17:47]  * Mez would love to see a "preferred address" and "forwarding address"
[17:47] <beuno> elmo, I'll change it now, and somebody should probably blog/email about it, and maybe even block it from being done
[17:48] <beuno> not sure what bzr is saying, but I've had the @ubuntu as preferred since early last year
[17:49] <beuno> it even has a new interface now  :)
[17:52] <Mez> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/5292/ for those interested
[17:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 5292 in launchpad "People setting preferred contact address to @ubuntu.com" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[18:02] <SteveA> rockstar_: ping
[18:27] <emgent> SteveA: i found solution.. Bug #192575
[18:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192575 in python-launchpad-bugs "HTTPConnection: Firefox 3 stores cookies in sqlite database" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192575 - Assigned to Brian Murray (brian-murray)
[18:30] <mars> hi all, quick question about bug gardening etiquette
[18:31] <mars> I'd like to mark #204202 as a dupe of #23244, but I'm not sure if I want the dup hidden
[18:32] <mars> the duplicates page says "Marking the bug as a duplicate will, by default, hide it from search results listings."
[18:33] <mars> I'm concerned that others searching for the same issue will not find bug 204202, like I did
[18:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204202 in gnome-terminal "Ctrl+Z in Terminal doesn't work with dvorak layout" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204202
[18:36] <LaserJock> Mez: that's seriously a bug?
[18:37] <LaserJock> I think I've had my @ubuntu.com as me preffered for gosh, over a year I think
[18:37] <beuno> LaserJock, not according to elmo 
[18:37]  * beuno ducks
[18:38] <elmo> ...
[18:38] <LaserJock> well, I've never known what to do with the "Preferred Address"
[18:38] <LaserJock> I *want* my mail to go to my @ubuntu.com
[18:38] <LaserJock> so that's what I set
[18:39] <LaserJock> elmo: so that's not what the sysadmins want?
[18:52] <ion_> Hi
[18:52] <LaserJock> ion_: have you looked for a bug or filed one?
[18:53] <ion_> laserjock: Just about to look for one, but if one doesn't exist, i thought i'd discuss it here first.
[18:58] <ion_> There doesn't seem to be a bug already reported. Here goes: while we're waiting for apt+zsync, would it be feasible to implement pdiffs in Soyuz for apt-get update in the meantime? The pdiff functionality has been implemented and tested in Debian.
[19:11] <stani> Is it possible to have ppa build automagically from bzr code which is hosted on launchpad (without having to use manually dput)?
[19:13] <LaserJock> stani: nope
[19:14] <stani> LaserJock: thanks
[19:17] <LaserJock> ion_: you might get more discussion out of a bug report
[19:18] <ion_> laserjock: Yeah. i'll report one.
[19:58] <stani> Which distrorelease I have to put in the changelog when I upload to a PPA with dput if I want builds for dapper, feisty, gutsy, hardy?
[20:01] <LaserJock> you need a package for each of those
[20:02] <LaserJock> with the corresponding releases in the changelog
[20:03] <kiko> LaserJock, is that a feature or a bug -- reason I'm asking is because if you uploaded it to an old version in the main archive it would automatically be available for the new version, right?
[20:03] <stani> LaserJock: Thanks: are all distros available from dapper on?
[20:03] <LaserJock> stani: yes
[20:03] <LaserJock> kiko: exactly
[20:03] <LaserJock> kiko: it seems to be a big issue for people
[20:04] <LaserJock> mostly upstreams
[20:04] <LaserJock> who don't want to bother with packaging really
[20:04] <LaserJock> for me I like to look at each release carefully anyway for change in deps, etc.
[20:12] <LaserJock> kiko: but I'd say having to have a different package for each release is the biggest complaint I've heard recently with PPA
[20:14] <kiko> LaserJock, one question is how would we allow people to republish into a new version.
[20:15] <LaserJock> new release?
[20:17] <LaserJock> kiko: debian policy allows a packager to specify more than one release in the changelog I believe
[20:17] <LaserJock> if you just used that to build the archive metadata it should work
[20:17] <kiko> LaserJock, yes. but how do you survive when a new version is released?
[20:17] <LaserJock> new version of what?
[20:26] <stani> pochu: are you there?
[20:26] <LaserJock> kiko: PPAs just seem to be a bit different use case, where people often add packages across many, already released, releases
[20:26] <LaserJock> the distros are basically linear
[20:27] <LaserJock> stani: can you really use the same package for dapper-hardy?
[20:27] <LaserJock> stani: I would think differences in python packaging would cause problems
[20:28] <stani> Laserjock: It is a pure python package, but maybe you are right.
[20:29] <stani> Hmm... it even doesn't seem to work for Hardy: https://launchpad.net/~stani/+archive/+build/557589
[20:30] <stani> Do I have to do a "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot  -S -sa" or a "dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa"?
[20:31] <ubotu> New bug: #214131 in launchpad "Support conditional GET on collections" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214131
[20:31] <LaserJock> stani: you might try rebuilding that package (there is a button in the UI for it)
[20:31] <LaserJock> stani: it didn't even start building but died trying to add your repo to it's sources.list
[20:32] <stani> LaserJock: Why is that?
[20:32] <LaserJock> stani: debuild -S -sa works
[20:32] <LaserJock> stani: if it's your first package for Hardy it could be it hadn't actually built the hardy repo yet
[20:32] <stani> I did with fakeroot. Is that wrong?
[20:32] <LaserJock> no
[20:33] <LaserJock> debuild = dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[20:33] <LaserJock> just shorter
[20:33] <stani> It is indeed my first package.
[20:33] <stani> ok thanks
[20:33] <LaserJock> ok, hit the retry button then, I think that might be it
[20:33] <stani> I pushed the button.
[20:35] <stani> can I build the other distroreleases source packages also on a hardy machine?
[20:37] <LaserJock> how do you mean?
[20:37] <LaserJock> the source packages?
[20:38] <stani> I mean I want to build my phatch (photo batch processor) for different distro-releases.
[20:38] <stani> I am working now on a hardy machine.
[20:38] <stani> phatch is already in the universe repositories for hardy, but people want it on gutsy
[20:38] <LaserJock> well, you can use it to build the source packages, in general
[20:39] <LaserJock> but you would want to use a pbuilder or sbuild to do test .debs
[20:40] <stani> Maybe I am naive but now I just change the distrorelease in the changelog and try to dput the foo_source.changes
[20:41] <stani> before when I was on gutsy I succesfully built .deb packages
[20:41] <stani> but now I upgraded to Hardy
[20:42] <stani> Laserjock: Thanks, hardy succeeded https://launchpad.net/~stani/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[20:42] <LaserJock> stani: yeah, if it's just a source package you want then go for it
[20:43] <LaserJock> sometimes if there's big changes to build scripts it can be a tad difficult, but in general it should work
[20:44] <LaserJock> like if there was a policy change lintian might complain about the old package
[20:44] <patrys> hi guys, a classic RTFM case here - how do I get a distro added to lp?
[20:45] <LaserJock> patrys: I believe you need to get ahold of the Launchpad admins. You could email launchpad-users mailing list
[20:46] <Rinchen> patrys, read https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/22  and if you still want to register, submit a Question 
[20:46] <Rinchen> patrys, at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[20:48] <patrys> Rinchen: why would I not want to register? :)
[20:48] <Rinchen> patrys,  :-) 
[20:48] <patrys> Rinchen: and thanks for the links
[20:49] <Rinchen> patrys, I think you should if it's for pld :-)
[20:49] <patrys> Rinchen: it's for PLD
[20:49] <Rinchen> cool!
[20:49] <Rinchen> I can't say for certain but that might be our first RPM based distro
[20:49] <Rinchen> statik, kiko ^^
[20:49] <stani> what is PLD?
[20:49] <Rinchen> http://www.pld-linux.org/
[20:50] <patrys> Rinchen: fedora is registered with launchpad
[20:52] <kiko> patrys, I think he means officially using launchpad.
[20:53] <emgent> Rinchen SteveA: We  found the true problem Bug #214137
[20:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214137 in python-launchpad-bugs "[internal server error] while trying to file a bug" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214137 - Assigned to Markus Korn (thekorn)
[20:59] <emgent> heya sabdfl 
[20:59] <sabdfl> howdy
[21:09] <afflux> ieh, I just got a email from kubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com about not being allowed to post there. The attached message is a copy of the changes email I produced because of marking duplicates in LP.
[21:11] <afflux> (the email was this one: http://pastebin.ca/977373)
[21:11] <afflux> Note that I don't have anything to do with kubuntu-devel ;)
[21:14] <stani> LaserJock: it gets refused for gutsy, any idea: MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[21:28] <stani> Laserjock: Don't bother, I get help already.
[21:30] <RainCT> Hi
[21:31] <RainCT> Is there some way for a script to look for new bugs reported againts a project? (somewhat like ubotu does for #ubuntu-bugs-announce)
[21:33] <RainCT> And perhaps even something to watch out for new bzr commits, too?
[21:35] <mwhudson_> there are feeds for both of these things
[21:37] <mc__> Well but something that pushes would be better than pulling. Anyone knows how Ubotu works?
[21:38] <mwhudson> i think maybe ubotu subscribes to bug mail?
[21:38] <mwhudson> i don't really know though
[21:39] <mwhudson> which is another option: you can subscribe to branches too
[21:39] <mc__> Well that sounds really interesting.
[23:02] <ubotu> New bug: #214121 in malone "alsa in ubuntu or sox interface" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214121
[23:39] <clsk> does launchpad offers an issue tracker for thing other than bugs?
[23:39] <clsk> things*
[23:40] <clsk> like specific tasks and features
[23:47] <thumper> clsk: LP uses blueprints to plan (some) features
[23:47] <thumper> clsk: but not yet random tasks