[00:00] <bluefoxx> but im upgrading to a 6800512 or a mid to high end 7series in pce-e soon.
[00:01] <bluefoxx> GAH! i hate when that happens...
[00:01] <bluefoxx> the howl of a fast-headcrab-zombie never ceases to make my skin crawl...
[00:02] <mtrx> if i download ubuntu 8.04 beta now will it automatically update when the official version is released?
[00:02] <Arand> mtrx yep
[00:03] <Arand> I'ts updated constantly
[00:03] <fritzel> is there a package of additional widgits for kde4 available by some name? or am I a bit early for that yet?  (if this is a duplicate question sorry I got disconnected after asking it the first time)
[00:03] <b4l74z4r> the thing is that video is perfect when i use totem, and also in most games, but things like youtube videos has horizontal tearing which is quite annoying
[00:04] <Arand> flash issues?
[00:04] <b4l74z4r> no, it also happens when i move desktopå windows around fast
[00:04] <bluefoxx> someone remind me again - what is 'antialiasing'?
[00:05] <b4l74z4r> it's to make objects in games appear less jagged at the edges
[00:05] <Fritzel> I'm not sure of the technicals but basically it blends pixels to allow lines that don't go directly up and down or left and right appear smoother
[00:05] <bluefoxx> ah. so if im lagging do i want it or not?
[00:06] <b4l74z4r> it requires some computing power
[00:06] <Fritzel> yeah that can contribute to video lag
[00:06] <b4l74z4r> more than if you have it off
[00:06] <bluefoxx> ok. thanks. away it goes then :)
[00:07] <bluefoxx> what about 'wait for vertical sync'?<hasnt played video games since november>
[00:07] <b4l74z4r> if you have an lcd, vertical sync can eliminate horizontal tearing in the picture
[00:07] <billisnice> how do you change the computer default monitor ie-a panosonic c21 to c35?
[00:08] <Boohbah> billisnice: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:08] <Fritzel> vertical sync you'll want on since turning it off doesn't actually improve your framerate since true framerate is limited to your refresh rate anyway, it probably won't make avisible difference, but can eliminate some tearing
[00:08] <Fritzel> I'm not sure how it applies to LCD's however
[00:09] <bluefoxx> ravenholm: not a level for the weak of stomach or to be played any later than sunset. or when your alone in the apartment and the dishes fall over >. >
[00:09] <b4l74z4r> i thing you get more than enough fps even if you have vsync on an you won't get that terrible tearing effect
[00:10] <Fritzel> yeah like I said even if you have 100000 fps, you're still only drawing to the screen at 60-85 times a second anyway
[00:10] <bluefoxx> kk
[00:10] <bluefoxx> well, im getting 10fps in most of my WINE games
[00:11] <Fritzel> this is going to sound silly, but ubuntu never performs at full quality for me until after it's run for a whiel and I've restarted X
[00:11] <Fritzel> after freshly configuring it that is
[00:11] <b4l74z4r> bluefoxx, you need a better graphics card, no setting in the world will help much if you're down to 10fps
[00:12] <Fritzel> well it depends, configuration can do that
[00:12] <bluefoxx> b4l74z4r: well im not waiting 3 seconds for a screen refresh now after taking of antialiasing'
[00:12] <Fritzel> does "glxinfo |grep direct" give you a yes?
[00:12] <Fritzel> just out of curiosity
[00:13] <bluefoxx> me?
[00:13] <Fritzel> yes
[00:13] <bluefoxx> yes
[00:13] <bluefoxx> y?
[00:14] <Fritzel> ok just making sure that your video drivers were running correctly
[00:15] <mtrx> where do i download ubuntu 8.04 beta?
[00:15] <b4l74z4r> ubuntu homepage
[00:15] <mtrx> all i can find is 7.10
[00:15] <b4l74z4r> google ubuntu 8.04
[00:16] <Fritzel> is there a package of additional widgits for kde4 available by some name? or am I a bit early for that yet?
[00:16] <mtrx> nvm
[00:16] <bluefoxx> ah. yup, nvidia-glx-new; updated today by command line. one of the reasons i want to upgrade to a 6800 or mid grade 7000 is so i dont have to worry about issues redoing configurations or changing drivers. i also want ones that are well developed
[00:16] <b4l74z4r> it should appear on the first few hits
[00:16] <billisnice> boohbah is there a graphic way of doing it in 8.04?  I set it up by mistake graphically. thanks
[00:17] <bluefoxx> does anyone else love the physics engine in the half life family as much as me?
[00:17] <b4l74z4r> when a new driver is released, will it show up in ubuntu's update manager?
[00:18] <Fritzel> I really need to get Halflife 2 just so I can mess with garry's mod
[00:18] <Fritzel> b4l74z4r: everything thats supported will show up there so it depends on the driver
[00:18] <hewhocutsdown> been trying to get help on this issue for a couple days now....no responses to irc last time i tried and none on Ubuntu Forums as yet....so trying again.
[00:18] <hewhocutsdown> anyone able to help me with a USB drive that will not automount
[00:19] <hewhocutsdown> 1 have two, both worked under gutsy, only one works under hardy
[00:19] <bluefoxx> Fritzel: if you dont mind a slow connection...i have a copy to give you :)
[00:19] <hewhocutsdown> full details with logs from dmesg and lsusb, picture of drive in gparted here:
[00:19] <hewhocutsdown> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4656973#post4656973
[00:19] <Fritzel> hewhocutsdown: I've never had an issue with it, so unfortnatly I can't help you there
[00:19] <Fritzel> bluefoxx: thanks but no thanks ^^ that game's worth the money
[00:20] <bluefoxx> but it 'looses the connection to steam servers' every now and then, forcing me to pull my save folder and re-extract
[00:20] <hewhocutsdown> my only guess is that it's the size of the drive: ~2TB. But as you can see in my gparted snapshot, it recognizes it there
[00:20] <hewhocutsdown> it's presence, but doesn't recognize it's ext3 formatting
[00:20] <bluefoxx> Fritzel: dont worry about it. i got it free ;)
[00:20] <hewhocutsdown> which is probably why it will not automount.
[00:21] <Fritzel> bluefoxx: again I'll pass thank oyu 6^
[00:21] <Fritzel> ^^
[00:21] <hewhocutsdown> but as mentioned; it has worked perfectly under gutsy, which has me scratching my head a bit
[00:21] <Exilant> woah, 2 TB
[00:21] <b4l74z4r> i've been trying for years to get agreeable fonts in firefox running ubuntu and i've given up, so now i run firefox in wine just to get decent fonts on web pages
[00:22] <Fritzel> I don't mind the fonts on hardy, though I'm not sure if they're new or not, just takes a bit of getting used to
[00:22] <Boohbah> bluefoxx: Fritzel: #ubuntu+1 is the new games piracy channel?
[00:22]  * Fritzel shrugs
[00:22] <hewhocutsdown> it's an external enclosure that supports up to 4 drives and does something like a RAID-5 setup there...so I've got 3 x 1TB drives in there.
[00:22] <bluefoxx> Boohbah: >P
[00:23] <Exilant> isn't usb a kind of bottleneck then?
[00:23] <hewhocutsdown> I do a lot of work with music....lossless, multichannel stuff takes space :P
[00:23] <ere4si> hewhocutsdown: is it listed in /dev?
[00:23] <bluefoxx> Boohbah: im poor with a bad net connection, i have a friend who gives me .rars of his install folders XP i dont complain if its free, nor do i wuestion it XD
[00:23] <hewhocutsdown> yup
[00:23] <hewhocutsdown> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4656973#post4656973
[00:23] <hewhocutsdown> got a screenshot of it here
[00:23] <Exilant> my external hd mounts just fine in kde (ext3 luks-encrypted)
[00:24] <Fritzel> bluefoxx: it's probably best if you walk away from the subject ;)
[00:24] <hewhocutsdown> as mentioned, i've got 2 (well, 3) external USB drives, but the other two are 80GB and work no problems
[00:24] <hewhocutsdown> just this one doesn't
[00:24] <teamcobra> hewhocutsdown, how much were each of the 1tb drives? I just did a raid5 myself, but it's only 4x500gb (1.5tb raid)
[00:24] <hewhocutsdown> /dev/sdc, unknown format
[00:24] <bluefoxx> Fritzel: what subject ;)
[00:24] <bluefoxx> hewhocutsdown: how much did that toy set you back?
[00:25] <hewhocutsdown> it's not true RAID, it's a propriety deal (it's a Drobo, Data Robotics)...can handle hot-swapping, differing hard drive sizes and types
[00:25]  * teamcobra makes rap beats, personally :)
[00:25] <teamcobra> ahh, pretty sweet
[00:25] <ere4si> hewhocutsdown: did you remove it without unmounting ?
[00:26] <hewhocutsdown> it has stayed attached all through the upgrade, through the reboot, and has not mounted since
[00:26] <bluefoxx> i have a raid toy myself even[raid 5] but due to a lack of $$ for drives its only 12gb[3x6.4]. got it $20 though :)
[00:26] <hewhocutsdown> newegg has them for just under $500
[00:26] <hewhocutsdown> for the enclosure
[00:26] <bluefoxx> ouch!
[00:26] <teamcobra> bluefoxx: steam works killer in wine, I have hl2+css myself
[00:27] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: i just had to grab the tahoma.ttf
[00:27] <teamcobra> yup.... it'll do it automatically if you install the msttcorefonts package
[00:27] <hewhocutsdown> brb, gotta stir the soup.... so yeah, any thoughts on what to look at trouble-shooting wise?
[00:28] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: all i did was dragged the file itself into the fonts folder
[00:28] <ere4si> hewhocutsdown: have you tried to mount it manually - tho I doubt that will work as it seems the filesystem on it is borked
[00:28] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: i didnt know there was a pacage i could use
[00:28] <teamcobra> I'm probably gonna build a clone of my server (AM2+ Phenom 780g mobo) for a dual-boot gaming box, the integrated graphics on the 780g mobos _pwn_ (31337 fps in glxgears, no kidding ;) ;) )
[00:29] <teamcobra> blue: yup, it'll install lots of other fonts that windows apps might use, should save you headaches in the future
[00:29] <hewhocutsdown> i would, but i'm honestly not sure what command to use for it
[00:29] <hewhocutsdown> i mean, the device would be /dev/sdc
[00:29] <teamcobra> hewhocutsdown, to mount it, wouldn't a sudo mount /dev/md0 (or whatever raid device is set up in linux) work
[00:29] <ere4si> hewhocutsdown: make a dir to mount it in  sudo mkdir /media/something
[00:30] <hewhocutsdown> i don't need any arcane switches for it?
[00:30] <hewhocutsdown> alright, i'll try that
[00:30] <teamcobra> hewhocutsdown: wait
[00:30] <teamcobra> I think I know what the prob is... or at least a way to get it to work
[00:30] <hewhocutsdown> ok
[00:30] <hewhocutsdown> :) i'm listening
[00:30] <ere4si> hewhocutsdown: then sudo mount -t /dev/sdc1 /media/something
[00:31] <ere4si> hewhocutsdown: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sdc1 /media/something
[00:31] <teamcobra> it'll probably work better to add all of your /dev/sd drives in the raid as a raid device
[00:31] <teamcobra> (ignore the proprietary raid controller in your enclosure, and use a software raid in ubuntu)
[00:31] <hewhocutsdown> holy ****, that worked
[00:32] <teamcobra> then it should be a /dev/md device (normally /dev/md0 ) that contains all of the /dev/sd drives in it
[00:32] <ere4si> hewhocutsdown: so you've got it?
[00:32] <hewhocutsdown> yeah, it loaded up
[00:32] <hewhocutsdown> i'm just taking a look at it now
[00:33] <hewhocutsdown> everything seems good; thank you very much: teamcobra, ere4si, whoever i missed
[00:33]  * DanaG can't use Wine... it doesn't play well with PulseAudio.
[00:33] <teamcobra> hewhocutsdown, ahh cool.... if ere4si's command works, add it to your /etc/fstab so you don't have to manually mount it from now on
[00:33] <Fritzel> I have no problem with wine at all in fact my audio experience is much much improved
[00:33] <teamcobra> DanaG: does padsp wine or esddsp wine work?
[00:33]  * bluefoxx waits for hl2 to finish extracting...*again*
[00:33] <DanaG> I think so, but it likely won't give surround.
[00:34] <individual_elev> hello how can i delete files in my sansa e250
[00:34] <teamcobra> DanaG: to be honest, I use the wineasio dll and jackd for all of my wine stuff
[00:34] <individual_elev> it has been locked in the trash
[00:34] <trent1980> anyone have any advice for trying to get Firefox flash movies to play through USB device. I set my USB headset as default for all sounds ... skype and others work well but Firefox always plays sounds through the laptop speakers ... help?
[00:34] <teamcobra> DanaG: and it works for traktor and such in pulseaudio... haven't checked surround on it, but it does work nicely
[00:34] <individual_elev> and i cannot add new songs coz it says the device is full
[00:35] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: delete ./trash-<host> and hope you dont get mugged...
[00:35] <teamcobra> individual_elev, try a sudo nautilus and browse to it
[00:35] <DanaG> wineasio?  hmm.
[00:35] <hewhocutsdown> um, last question teamcobra
[00:35] <teamcobra> and as bluefoxx said, hope you don't get mugged (might be a good idea to back up your songs)
[00:35]  * bluefoxx got violantly mugged for his sansa e260 after 6 months of saving
[00:35] <hewhocutsdown> /etc/fstab has a different format than the command
[00:35] <teamcobra> bluefoxx, ACK!
[00:35] <individual_elev>  i already tried to reset to the factory settings but its still there
[00:35] <hewhocutsdown> fs, mount point, type i know
[00:35] <teamcobra> hewho: yup, 1 sec, lemme write up a quick line for ya
[00:36] <hewhocutsdown> but it's followed by options dump pass
[00:36] <hewhocutsdown> ok, cool
[00:36]  * bluefoxx wishes he had 6 grenades to shove down the throats of 6 cowardly...
[00:36]  * DanaG uses a Cowon iAudio6.
[00:36] <DanaG> Nobody seems to know what it is.
[00:36] <teamcobra> DanaG: shouldn't matter as long as it works in jack, 1 sec, lemme find some wineasio info
[00:37] <DanaG> I've never used jack, myself.
[00:37] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: you should put rockbox on yours[if its a v1]
[00:37] <teamcobra> and hewhocutsdown , under options, type "default" , and dump and pass should have a 0 under each
[00:37] <teamcobra> DanaG: qjackctl is a godsend ;)
[00:37] <individual_elev> i tried to delete the trash but it says error "I/O error
[00:37] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: rockbox is the 5h17!
[00:37] <individual_elev> while deleting
[00:37] <DanaG> In addition, Creative's "Host OpenAL" thingy doesn't work under Wine.
[00:37] <DanaG> Even the software-emulation mode.
[00:38] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: check its pluggwed in
[00:38] <individual_elev> im not using rockbox
[00:38] <individual_elev> its plugged in
[00:38] <hewhocutsdown> default or defaults? a working entry in my /etc/fstab says defaults (plural)
[00:38] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: and try using the command line 9"rm /media/disk/.trash-<your computer hostname>"
[00:38] <hewhocutsdown> /dev/sdc1 /media/Jrobo ext3 defaults 0 0
[00:39] <individual_elev> ok ill try
[00:39] <hewhocutsdown> looks good as long as i'm correct on the plural defaults :)
[00:39] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: the 9 was supposed to be a "("
[00:39] <teamcobra> yup
[00:39] <teamcobra> defaults is plural :)
[00:39] <teamcobra> and DanaG: http://www.davehayes.org/2007/04/27/howto-reaper-on-ubuntu-linux-with-wineasio
[00:39] <hewhocutsdown> excellent, i'll duck out of here and reboot. peace to you and yours
[00:40] <teamcobra> hewhocutsdown, come back and let me know how it goes ;)
[00:40] <hewhocutsdown> will do
[00:40] <DanaG> dana@GLaDOS:~/.wine/drive_c$ wine Program\ Files/Steam/Steam.exe
[00:40] <DanaG> wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\Program.exe": Module not found
[00:40] <DanaG> heh.
[00:40] <teamcobra> heheh
[00:40] <Gilou> put quotes around it
[00:40] <teamcobra> don't you need to enclose that in quotes?
[00:40] <teamcobra> yea
[00:40] <individual_elev> nope it didnt work bluefoxx
[00:41] <DanaG> Still broken even with quotes.
[00:41] <Gilou> same error?
[00:41] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: open the device in nautilus and hit ctrl+l
[00:41] <DanaG> yup.
[00:41] <bluefoxx> ctrl+h
[00:41] <Gilou> wine "C:\Program Files\Steam\Steam.exe"
[00:41] <Gilou> ?
[00:42] <DanaG> wine "c:\Program Files/Steam/Steam.exe"
[00:42] <DanaG> wine: cannot find 'c:\Program'
[00:42] <teamcobra> DanaG: I know it's not a perm answer, but what happens if you cd .wine/devices/drive_c/Pro*/Steam/ and then run wine Steam.exe
[00:42] <Gilou> put \
[00:42] <Gilou> instead of / ?
[00:42] <DanaG> cd worked.
[00:42] <Gilou> (it's weird, wine usually isn't too bitchy about that)
[00:43] <DanaG> Changing slashes didn't.
[00:43] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: what is the folder path with the word 'trash' in it?
[00:43] <DanaG> Hmm, "Updating Steam"
[00:43] <teamcobra> DanaG: I'll check the syntax of my working wine apps that are under program files
[00:43] <teamcobra> DanaG: good stuff
[00:44] <DanaG> Not using much bandwidth, though -- it seems to not be doing anything.
[00:44] <DanaG> Oh, I see.
[00:44] <trent1980> anyone?? help getting firefox to play flash through the default device?
[00:44] <DanaG> I had made wine a wrapper around 'padsp wine'
[00:44] <individual_elev> its inside the player files,everytime i unmount it,it says delete trash,however i cannot delete it..
[00:44] <DanaG> exec padsp wine.distrib $@
[00:45] <DanaG> Shouldn't that pass all args?
[00:45] <teamcobra> DanaG: hrm, should
[00:45] <RAOF> DanaG: Yes, it'll pass all args.  But I think you'll find that it'll strip the quoting from them :)
[00:45] <individual_elev> theres trash i mean..i dont know which is it,my computer''s trash is already empty
[00:45] <DanaG> Aah, so that'd be it.
[00:45] <DanaG> Is there a way to make it keep quotes?
[00:46] <DanaG> Just "$@" doesn't seem right.
[00:46] <RAOF> I'm not sure.
[00:46] <individual_elev> but evrytime i plug it in the trash gets full again
[00:46] <DanaG> dang steam.
[00:46] <DanaG> 0%..........................0%........................0%.........................
[00:46] <teamcobra> DanaG: I dunno, I run stuff like that manually
[00:46] <individual_elev> its probably in the e250
[00:47] <DanaG> Duude, if you say you're updating, you'd **** well better use some bandwidth to UPDATE!
[00:47] <DanaG> Stupid Steam.
[00:48] <DanaG> Oh, jumped to 99%.
[00:48] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: in the mp3 player there should be a folder thats hidden that has .trash- in its name and your computer name after.
[00:49] <DanaG> I just hope VAC doesn't think Wine is a cheat.
[00:49] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: find that name, then in the terminal type in "rm /media/disk/.trash-<w/e is here>" assuming you have only the mp3 player in there as an external disk
[00:50] <teamcobra> DanaG: shouldn't
[00:50] <Fritzel> is there a package of additional widgits for kde4 available by some name? or am I a bit early for that yet?
[00:50] <DanaG> Yay, 1.4 megabytes per second.
[00:51] <DanaG> WiFi connection is at 48 megabits.
[00:51] <bluefoxx> DanaG: ide take 1.4 megs a second over 31kb/s any day of the week
[00:52] <DanaG> Yay, school internet.
[00:52] <DanaG> Even better is when I'm on gigabit there.
[00:52] <DanaG> Then it's mind-blowingly fast.
[00:52] <hewhocutsdown> teamcobra? reboot it mounted properly
[00:52] <bluefoxx> 30kb/s over my wifi router i got for free :) i have it, may as well use it XP
[00:52] <hewhocutsdown> still shows as unknown in gparted, but whatever. I can read/write to it fine
[00:52] <hewhocutsdown> all well...thanks again
[00:52] <DanaG> Fastest I've seen (from mirrors.kernel.org, on "internet2":  30 megaBYTES per second.
[00:53]  * bluefoxx hates being poor
[00:53] <teamcobra> hewhocutsdown, sweet sweet
[00:53] <DanaG> Unfortunately, that spoils anything else -- anything else seems pathetic.
[00:53] <hewhocutsdown> gotta go take care of the baby now, but thank you
[00:53] <DanaG> s/seems/is/
[00:53] <bluefoxx> once i get a job the plan is i take over net, phone and cable:)
[00:53] <bluefoxx> then i upgrade all to FULL SPEED!!!
[00:54] <Sergeant_Pony> is there a way to get rid of old kernels?
[00:54] <Ienorand> Sergeant_Pony: just uninstall packages.
[00:55] <teamcobra> bluefoxx, heh, I'm poor myself, but that's gonna change
[00:55] <Fritzel> heeh you know you're a linux geek when... you use sed to correct typos
[00:55] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm.. to delete old boot-up kernels?
[00:55] <Fritzel> you know you're a linux geek when... you realize that someone used sed to correct typos
[00:56] <bluefoxx> im trying to find a place that will test my skills rather than asking for a stupid paper that costs thousands of dollers saying i am able to do <skills i have>
[00:58] <gluer> bluefoxx: seeing the papers though shows commitment, the skills can be proven after
[00:58] <Ienorand> Sergant_Pony: http://tinyurl.com/3ow9gc
[00:59] <mophead> How close is Hardy to being "done"?
[00:59] <bluefoxx> i know computer hardware fairly good considering i was clueless a year ago and have done more than my fair share of mods XP[turbo charged front tri-cooler fan, ignition key to start computer{security+fun}, cable slimdowns, case window...the list is decent]
[00:59] <Ienorand> for me and my poor computer, far from... but that's subjective
[01:00] <mophead> For an average user, would it be a good idea to update when it comes out?
[01:00] <Exilant> depends on your criteria
[01:01] <Exilant> updating is work (and fun, but i don't know if average users see it that way)
[01:01] <Sergeant_Pony> Ienorand
[01:01] <Sergeant_Pony> thanks
[01:01] <Ienorand> your welcome
[01:01] <hmuller> Exilant:  quite right, it all depends on your definition of fun =)
[01:01] <Ienorand> did that myself quite recently...
[01:01] <mophead> So basically, it will be a while before someone could upgrade to hardy, tweak a couple of things and be ready to go
[01:02] <mophead> Is that what you're saying?
[01:02] <Exilant> no, it worked quite out of the box a couple of months ago
[01:03] <mophead> what type of issues have peoople been having?
[01:03] <hmuller> mophead:  It depends entirely on your hardware.  I recommend installing it to a separate partition and testing it there if you are curious, or even just running the LiveCD
[01:03] <Exilant> there are some problems with the restricted graphics drivers, from time to time some dependency trouble, alsa problems
[01:03] <individual_elev> bluefoxx i dont see it here my box,but i plugged it in my windows pc,i can see the .trash/spiniker folder,i tried deleting it but didnt wok
[01:03] <mophead> I've heard pulseaudio is tricky
[01:03] <hmuller> mophead: depends again on your hardware
[01:04] <bluefoxx> individual_elev: try the forums then...best i can suggest. or #ubuntu
[01:04] <Ienorand> Sergant_Pony: you'll have to watch out with your grub settings though, if it's set to boot a certain option it might get shifted (especially if your using dual-boot like windows as default)
[01:04] <mophead> Re my hardware: I'm on a toshiba notebook
[01:04] <bluefoxx> hmm...tempted to try and make a add-on type mod to turn my headphones into a chat headset...
[01:04] <hmuller> mophead:  I'd definitely try the LiveCD first.  I've never been a fan of toshiba's myself.
[01:05] <teamcobra> mophead: yeah, in a few weeks it'll be non-beta.....
[01:05] <mophead> And the livecd is the one you can get by writinjg to them, right?
[01:06] <teamcobra> bluefoxx, or plug in another set of headphones and yell into them as if it was a mic
[01:06] <Exilant> oh btw. is anyone using b43
[01:06] <Exilant> ?
[01:06] <Exilant> mophead: you can just dl it
[01:06] <mophead> ah, and burn it to a cd
[01:06] <mophead> now I get it
[01:06] <teamcobra> (plug the 2nd set into the mic jack, ghettotastic, but it has saved me a few times)
[01:06] <Exilant> dunno if they ship beta/rc cds
[01:06] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: that workss :/
[01:06] <teamcobra> Exilant, I am, it is much much better than ndiswrapper on this bcm4311 rev02
[01:07] <Exilant> cool
[01:07] <teamcobra> bluefoxx: yeah, when I was on the road in another country, and didn;t have the cash to keep using payphones, a cheap set of headphones and skype rocked the party ;)
[01:07] <Exilant> range with bcm43 was horrible
[01:07] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: lol
[01:07] <teamcobra> Exilant: yeh, b43 and bcm43 can't be compared, at all ;p ;p
[01:07] <Exilant> so, time for another funny update next weekend :)
[01:08] <icanhasproxy> So my wifi card is broken. Hardy, fully updated. Atheros AR242x. modprobe ath_pci reveals error in dmesg
[01:08] <bluefoxx> mayhaphs i should take a fan or three out of my computer...sounds like a gt3-aspec dodge viper from the front if i stop one O.<
[01:08] <Sergeant_Pony> I'm in the same boat
[01:09] <Stormx2> How come the new firefox beta won't open links from other apps?
[01:09] <jk_> is all the software for ubuntu free, so far i have only encountered free software, i was wondering if there is commercial software
[01:09] <Stormx2> e.g. in xchat, clicking a link then "open in browser" does nothing
[01:10] <teamcobra> jk: most linux commercial software = games
[01:10] <hmuller> jk_: There is commercial *nix software, a google search will help you locate some if you want to take a look
[01:10] <jepler> jk_: when software isn't free, it's clearly marked as such
[01:11] <hmuller> that was a popular question
[01:11] <jepler> e.g., the things in "restricted drivers"
[01:11] <jk_> cheers you two hmuller jepler
[01:12] <hmuller> jepler: restricted isn't necessarily commercial
[01:12] <jepler> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy
[01:12] <bluefoxx> let me get something straight here...one usb port supports 127 devices right? so logically 10 of them supports 1270 devices correct?
[01:12] <hmuller> jepler: my nvidia driver isn't for sale, just proprietary
[01:12] <jepler> hmuller: it wasn't clear to me what definition of 'free' jk_ meant
[01:12] <hmuller> jepler: ah yes, definitions =)
[01:12] <Fritzel`> man I love when adept says there's updates available, it's like christmas time
[01:12] <Fritzel`> bunch of new shiny packages and you wonder what you got
[01:13] <teamcobra> hahahah :)
[01:13] <teamcobra> that is the one wicked thing about linux. upgrading is free, and updates usually include all kinds of shiny functionality ;)
[01:13] <Fritzel`> indeed ^^
[01:13] <jk_> jepler, without money changing hands
[01:14] <teamcobra> ahh, free as in beer, not free as in freedom ;)
[01:14] <Ienorand> Fritzel`: that's definitely one of them "you know you're a geek (linux geek no less)" things
[01:14] <jepler> jk_: I'm happy to accept $1000 from you, and in return I'll give you a Hardy Heron Alpha 5 collectors CD
[01:14] <teamcobra> check out "Mutant Storm" for an example of commercial linux software
[01:14] <teamcobra> or for an example of Crack in software form
[01:15] <Exilant> bluefoxx: right... note however, that is true only for real ports, not just a second plug
[01:15] <jk_> on the contrary, i only ask i am not willing to pay money for software jepler
[01:15] <Fritzel`> yeah might as well through that one in there too ^^
[01:16] <bluefoxx> you know you're computer is loud when you have to yell to talk to someone and they are less than 2 feet away from you...and you have a blanket covering your computer to make it 'quiet'
[01:16] <teamcobra> hahahahahah bluefoxx
[01:16] <Fritzel`> time to find some new fans I think Blue, you don't want to cover tha tup
[01:17] <teamcobra> jk: I believe, if I'm not mistaken, you can even code a commercial app using lgpl libraries and still be in the clear
[01:17] <bluefoxx> Fritzel: new fans? i allready have 7 extra ones in there. all perfectly working and correctly mantained :)
[01:17] <teamcobra> (assuming you need to sell the app to make $$ and not support, ex: games, stuff where not much support is needed)
[01:18] <bluefoxx> and the end result is a socket 478 celeron d overclocked about 30% running at a below normal 30-40 degrees Celsius
[01:18] <Fritzel`> I can't wait till I'm out of the country, I'm too far from the road and my internet connection feels it
[01:18] <Fritzel`> out of the country = less rural
[01:19] <mophead> I have to think long and hard agout whether I should update this month at all, or just wait a few months and hear what people say
[01:19] <bluefoxx> whats the new audio-capture program?
[01:19] <teamcobra> mophead: it'll be offically stable in 3 weeks.... but it's not too bad right now, I'll be honest
[01:20] <murkyMurk> bluefoxx: pulse audio sound server
[01:20] <teamcobra> if you're comfortable using linux, I'd say go for it on a new partition (even tho I did an upgrade from gutsy on this lappie without trouble)
[01:20] <bluefoxx> i remember i used to use sound-recorder. but now what is it?
[01:20] <teamcobra> if you're not all that comfortable with fixing a couple things, you might wanna hold off though
[01:21] <Fritzel`> speaking is skype agreeing with it yet?
[01:21] <Fritzel`> speaking of pulse rather
[01:21] <murkyMurk> ahh, soz, still sound recorder
[01:21] <mophead> teamcobra: I don't feel comfortable using partitions... but I like the idea of running it from the live cd and seeing how that works
[01:21] <teamcobra> bluefoxx: hrm, not sure, if you wanna use sound-recorder, apt-get install it ;)
[01:21] <murkyMurk> vs 2.22.0 no less
[01:21] <mophead> I already had to fix the sound on gutsy, and fix some other things
[01:21] <mophead> some stuff still doesn't work but I can live without it, like my webcam
[01:22] <teamcobra> mophead: if you're on a decent connection, go for it, the livecd is good (I made a custom version of it for the site/service I'm launching tonight ;) )
[01:22] <bluefoxx> ah. i have to learn audiciaty or sumfin ¬¬
[01:22] <teamcobra> I found that a _lot_ more hardware works out of the box using hardy as a base for my livecd vs gutsy
[01:23] <teamcobra> bluefoxx: what's wrong w/ sound-recorder? doesn't work?
[01:23] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: too lazy to install it. i have ubuntu-studio audio and vidio installed so :P
[01:24] <teamcobra> bluefoxx: bah, if you like it, sudo apt-get install sound-recorder  , it looks to be a small app (and runs fine here)
[01:24] <teamcobra> although audacity is good for heavier tasks (things you'd need sound forge for)
[01:24] <teamcobra> and very worth learning
[01:27] <mophead> teamcobra: you're saying that hardy worked better with your original hardware than gutsy did?
[01:27] <teamcobra> mophead: yes, and quite a few other machines in the house (even the 20" imac)
[01:28] <teamcobra> also on my server (AM2+ motherboard, lots of the hardware wasn't properly supported until 2.6.24
[01:28] <mophead> hmm... I will keep that in mind
[01:28] <teamcobra> yeah, I've tested every flavor of ubuntu on about 8 boxes here
[01:29] <teamcobra> by every, I mean gutsy, hardy, and the xubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu flavors of each ;)
[01:29] <mophead> I guess I just wanted someone to ease my anxieties, hehe
[01:29] <teamcobra> had the best out-of-the-box (livecd) experience w/ ubuntu hardy (gnome flavor)
[01:30] <guillermo> hi, I installed ubuntu from a network server, but because of a but i was left without ubuntu-desktop. the problem is i cant install it with sudo apt-get install because the network is unreachable, any ideas how to fix this? thanks
[01:30] <bluefoxx> hehe. homemade shotgun mike+headphones=fun
[01:30] <mophead> guillermo: hardy or gu tsy?
[01:30] <teamcobra> guillermo: hrm, check your /etc/resolv.conf and make sure that the dns entries are right
[01:31] <guillermo> 8.04, but it actually happened in both versions
[01:31] <mophead> teamcobra: has there been a lot of talk about toshiba and hardy issues?
[01:31] <teamcobra> and also, check /etc/network/interfaces
[01:31] <guillermo> it doesnt recognize eth0, but i dont know how to activate it
[01:32] <guillermo> i did ifup and nothing happens
[01:32] <teamcobra> mophead: hrm, well, one of the lappies I tested (that didn't have working sound in gutsy) was a toshiba core2duo laptop, and all of the hardware works
[01:32] <teamcobra> guillermo, lspci, find out what kind of network card... then open up a root terminal
[01:32] <murkyMurk> guillermo: i usually use ifconfig eth0 up
[01:32] <Klanticus> how do I activate the scroll region on my touchpad? I'm using an Acer nb. I think this worked out of the box in gutsy
[01:33] <teamcobra> and try "sudo rmmod drivername ; sudo modbprobe drivername" , where drivername is the module name of the driver
[01:33] <teamcobra> Klanticus: google xorg ZAxisMapping
[01:34] <guillermo> lspci detects it, ethernet contoller: realtek semiconductor
[01:34] <teamcobra> I believe the value is: Option ZAxisMapping "4 5"               (in xorg.conf.... but I could be a bit off, that was from memory)
[01:34] <teamcobra> guillermo, know what model #?
[01:34] <Exilant> does that work?
[01:34] <guillermo> it was working just a second ago, because the installation was from the newtwork
[01:34] <Exilant> my xorg seems to get ignored in that respect
[01:34] <teamcobra> guillermo: oh, ok
[01:34] <teamcobra> try this... sudo dhclient eth0
[01:35] <guillermo> RTTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
[01:35] <teamcobra> after bringing eth0 up
[01:35] <guillermo> ok, ill try
[01:35] <guillermo> YES!!! thanks, this has been killing me
[01:36] <teamcobra> heh, no prob.... now sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:36] <guillermo> its installing. so what does dhclient do?
[01:36] <teamcobra> might wanna do an apt-get update and an apt-get upgrade
[01:36] <teamcobra> dhclient = gets ip address for interface via dhcp
[01:36] <teamcobra> it should auto run on startu[p
[01:36] <teamcobra> but who knows, something might've happened
[01:37] <bluefoxx> hmmm....anyone know the voltage of the onboard fans on a pci graphics card? im guessing 5 volts maybe
[01:37] <guillermo> yeah, its a bug. ive read about people having the same issue sinse 6.04
[01:37] <teamcobra> hrm, weird.... after ubuntu-desktop installs, it _should_ work
[01:37] <teamcobra> might be a bug in the server distro (I dunno, I have to use static ips on my hardy server, no dhcp server on the network)
[01:38] <guillermo> iv heard its a problem with the ubuntu alternate version, i really couldnt tell you whats happening, but i do know the bug has been there for a while
[01:39]  * mndo is away: sleepy time.. not around.. pvt me..
[01:39] <teamcobra> if it still doesn't work, edit your /etc/init.d/rc.local and add "dhclient eth0" to it
[01:39] <teamcobra> that way, it'll get an ip address on startup
[01:40] <guillermo> its working now, its completing the install without any problems from the server. but man..  i spent hours looking for a possible answer, im just glad its working
[01:40] <Stormx2> wuthell. How can I remove mounted SSH servers from Places?
[01:41] <teamcobra> heh, no prob, dhclient is a good friend ;)
[01:41] <guillermo> jajaja thanks again, much appreciated
[01:41] <teamcobra> no prob, I like to see things get unb0rked ;)
[01:41] <guillermo> jajaja
[01:44] <mophead> ok, I've made a date with my local linux geek to resize my partitions and upgrade
[01:45] <teamcobra> mophead: if you wanna just be gangster about it, you could burn backups of important files and follow: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[01:45] <cyclonut> anyone know of a statistics channel on IRC
[01:45] <cyclonut> or, does anyone happen to be a statistician?
[01:45] <cyclonut> :)
[01:46] <teamcobra> heheheh cyclonut, not I
[01:46] <jepler> any differences in bluetooth a2dp support from gutsy to hardy?
[01:46] <teamcobra> what kind of stats do you need?
[01:46] <keanu> I'm having trouble using amarok - I get "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers." on startup
[01:47] <cyclonut> teamcobra: well, to do it quick, and in a pastie: http://pastie.caboo.se/176904
[01:47] <mophead> teamcobra: I can't update that way - my partition isn't large enough
[01:47] <mophead> and I don't want to try resizing it by myself
[01:48] <adelie42> Having a weird bug. Got a G11 keyboard, and in Hardy the right shift can't be used to type a '?' and a few other characters
[01:48] <adelie42> any ideas?
[01:49] <Dr_willis> G11 like the G15 with a lcd? I have a G15
[01:49] <adelie42> Dr_willis: They are the same, but G11 has more G-keys, and no lcd
[01:50] <adelie42> Dr_willis: there is no G11 layout in keyboard settings, just G15, but neither resolve the issue
[01:52] <keanu> any idea on why amarok doesn't play audio?
[01:53] <Dr_willis> adelie42,  im not using any special layouts or other settings.  let me pastebn my xorg.conf
[01:53] <Dr_willis> adelie42 http://pastebin.com/f3c42c51f,
[01:54] <Black_Magic> Uhm i have a small problem
[01:54] <Black_Magic> Really Small
[01:54] <Black_Magic> ok a usualy on my top gnome-panel my Powerbutton is on the end of the panel and then the Applets are infront but behind the :: Border but now its infront next to the time and the applets are behind the border
[01:54] <Black_Magic> how can i fix this?
[01:54] <teamcobra> mophead: ahh, that sucks
[01:55] <teamcobra> cyclonut, have you checked out searchirc.com?
[01:55] <adelie42> Dr_willis: similar enough to mine :/
[01:56] <keanu> any idea on how to get amarok to play audio?
[01:57] <Black_Magic> Does ANY Audio work keanu
[01:57] <keanu> Black_Magic, yes, VLC, rhythmbox, and firefox play audio fine
[01:58] <Black_Magic> then it could be a problem with the Hardy package
[01:58] <teamcobra> keanu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/176332
[01:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176332 in pulseaudio "amarok does not work with pulseaudio [hardy]" [Undecided,New]
[01:58] <teamcobra> but amarok did work out of the box for me
[01:58] <teamcobra> and there seams to be a workaround in that post
[01:58] <keanu> teamcobra, thanks - i guess google didn't find it when i was searching
[01:58] <teamcobra> it's all good
[01:59] <DanaG> Argh, padevchooser isn't right-clickable.
[01:59] <DanaG> Oh, nifty thing, that "archive mounter"
[02:01] <Black_Magic> Guess no one cares about the panel bug
[02:01] <Black_Magic> so here is my NEXT Question
[02:01] <DanaG> Argh, the games list pegs my CPU at 100%.
[02:01] <DanaG> Handy hint: don't bother locking applets.  Locking doesn't work, and just gets in the way.
[02:02] <Black_Magic> i have a WD Passport that is detected in Windows but if i connect it with Ubuntu on
[02:02] <Black_Magic> Ubuntu doesnt see the device
[02:02] <DanaG> Anything in dmesg about it?
[02:02] <ChaosParser> Black_Magic: Change where the panel is, click on the applets to get focus, change the panel back.
[02:03] <Black_Magic> That didnt work :/
[02:05] <teamcobra> danag: add a new user, and see if the games list pegs the cpu under that user
[02:05] <teamcobra> if it does, the problem lies in your gnome config
[02:05] <teamcobra> erm..... if it doesn't, even
[02:05] <DanaG> By "games list", I mean in Steam, of course.
[02:05] <teamcobra> ohhhhhhh
[02:06] <teamcobra> hmm
[02:06] <DanaG> Oh wait, the small games list doesn't do it, but the big one does.
[02:06] <DanaG> Heh, interesting: http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
[02:06] <teamcobra> DanaG: weird, never had any probs w/ that, but I haven't run steam in a month or so
[02:06] <teamcobra> been too busy to game
[02:07] <DanaG> odd.
[02:07] <teamcobra> Seveas, don't ban him, he's here every day ;p
[02:07]  * Black_Magic Strugles to move the time and date :/
[02:08] <Black_Magic> There we go
[02:10] <DanaG> Note to self and others: don't paste that.  The 0001 is a CTCP.
[02:10] <Black_Magic> huh?
[02:10] <DanaG> The box thingy from on the Steampowered site, that is.
[02:10] <teamcobra> ahh
[02:11] <LjL> !paste
[02:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[02:11] <bluefoxx> DanaG: lol. 127 cpus XD
[02:11] <DanaG> Heh.
[02:11] <DanaG> Q[0001]
[02:11] <DanaG> or rather, 0002.
[02:12]  * DanaG takes it to the offtopic channel
[02:12] <bluefoxx> three people from DanaG's link think they have a 127cpu system XDD
[02:12] <DanaG> Under Vista, it thinks my 17" LCD is 20".
[02:13] <Spenc3> got a question on audio. what program can I use to listen to what's coming in from the audio In line of my sound card?
[02:16] <murkyMurk> Spenc3: just unmute that input and itĺl be routed to the speaker
[02:16] <ciscoguru> it seems 8.04 got delayed for 5 months, due to a hidden root kit
[02:16] <thompa> anyone know if atheros 5006 wireless is working yet?
[02:17] <thompa> *AR5006EG
[02:17] <bazhang> ciscoguru: what is the source of this info--link please
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> thompa: I'm thinking no
[02:17] <teamcobra> ciscoguru, that's cute. but  do you have any evidence?
[02:17] <ciscoguru> yes
[02:17] <ciscoguru> www.theonion.com/technology/linux/ubuntu8.04-got-mass-owned.html
[02:18] <teamcobra> hahahahahah, it's theonion :)
[02:18] <bazhang> April 1st is already passed ciscoguru and that is the onion
[02:18] <teamcobra> but I'm gonna read it anyway for a laugh
[02:18] <ciscoguru> actually onion didnt even write it
[02:18] <thompa> nomasteryoda: whats you thinking how?
[02:18] <ciscoguru> i made the url up
[02:18] <ciscoguru> "lulz"
[02:18] <teamcobra> ciscoguru, theonion is a joke news site ;)
[02:18] <teamcobra> hahahah
[02:18] <teamcobra> lulz
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> hahaha
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> unfortinately you are like 6 days late
[02:18] <teamcobra> hahahahahhaha
[02:19] <thompa> hardy har
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> 6_^
[02:19] <Black_Magic> UGH BLOODY HELL!
[02:19] <ciscoguru> only site i really read is a low key one
[02:19] <bluefoxx> >|
[02:19] <bazhang> language and caps Black_Magic
[02:19] <ciscoguru> i saw dedicated to networking, its lowkey
[02:19] <thompa> anyone sober and running atheros, ive been trying weeks
[02:19] <ciscoguru> www.theciscocommunity.com
[02:19] <Black_Magic> firefox 3b5 has stricken even more plugins i cannot use
[02:19] <ciscoguru> i love low key, under the radar sites
[02:19] <ciscoguru> that have good material
[02:19] <ciscoguru> instead of big bloated sites
[02:19] <Black_Magic> ><
[02:20] <Black_Magic> i liked b4 better...
[02:20] <ciscoguru> wait a second, weird
[02:20] <ciscoguru> that url has a language selector
[02:20] <murkyMurk> Black_Magic: just use FF2..itś still in add/remove
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> thompa: try ndiswrapper?
[02:20] <ciscoguru> hwo did they do that?
[02:20] <thompa> nosrednaekim: i hate that thing
[02:20] <ciscoguru> switching from english to persian, to swedish with just a selection
[02:20] <Spenc3> got a question on audio. what program can I use to listen to what's coming in from the audio In line of my sound card?
[02:20] <thompa> nomasteryoda: if it even works
[02:21] <Black_Magic> Memory leaks FTL
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> thompa: hey.. wit works, I can't argue with that really
[02:21] <murkyMurk> Spenc3: again, just unmute the linein channel and you´ll hear it on your speakers
[02:22] <Spenc3> alright.. let me try.. don't have any sound coming out.. maybe the wrong port.. just a sec.
[02:22] <Black_Magic> Could anyone help me with my usb hdd problem?
[02:22] <DanaG> Ugh, my fonts in Wine are all mangled.
[02:22] <DanaG> Like, broken font.  Not wrong font, but broken.
[02:23] <DanaG> Or some really screwy-by-design font.
[02:23] <teamcobra> DanaG: reinstall msttcorefonts?
[02:24] <icanhasadmin> I've run into some madwifi bugs, but I'm not sure if it's just the new kernel version and madwifi or if it involves hardy at all
[02:24] <DanaG> Argh, why do Wine apps stick to the current desktop?
[02:24] <teamcobra> no idea
[02:25] <DanaG> s/stick/jump/
[02:25] <thompa> icanhasadmin: its new kernel
[02:26] <teamcobra> DanaG: check out www.winehq.org, there's a new release (april 4th, no hardy package yet it seems)
[02:26] <icanhasadmin> thompa: yeah that's what i thought.
[02:26] <teamcobra> one of the bullets: Window Management Fixes
[02:26] <Black_Magic> why does apt like things lag my computer when there running
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> Black_Magic: disk usage
[02:26] <icanhasadmin> Black_Magic: they are building packages into your kernel....
[02:26] <Black_Magic> no i mean SLOOOW down
[02:27] <Black_Magic> i mean installing a firefox plugin makes it almost imposible to use ANY program open..
[02:27] <Spenc3> murkyMurk, no luck on that.
[02:27] <Spenc3> :(
[02:27] <thompa> icanhasadmin: ive been playing around with it for a while, there was a for acer_acpi and madwifi for atheros somehow incorporated into 2.6.25 which is now backported
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> Black_Magic: which apt program?
[02:27] <teamcobra> Black: apt can be pretty cpu/hard-drive intensive when installing packages ;)
[02:27] <thompa> icanhasadmin: now its impossible to install unless you compile the kernel
[02:27] <icanhasadmin> thompa: i got it to work.. sort of
[02:27] <Spenc3> cable now at the right spot.. but nothing yet :(
[02:27] <thompa> icanhasadmin: ubuntu overkill
[02:27] <Black_Magic> update-manager and the one to install firefox ubuntu addons
[02:27] <DanaG> I find the new kernel's scheduler still sucks at some things.
[02:27] <teamcobra> it _flies_ on a quad-core though ;)
[02:27] <thompa> icanhasadmin: what atheros?
[02:28] <thompa> icanhasadmin: on acer with 5006 you need soft wifi switch in bios hack
[02:28] <Black_Magic> sometimes i greeve using update-manager...
[02:28]  * saltedlight morning... :)
[02:28] <Black_Magic> thompa: Do i need that too
[02:28] <Black_Magic> i have Toshiba
[02:28] <Black_Magic> with 5006EG
[02:28] <teamcobra> morning salted
[02:28] <DanaG> No deb files for that Wine.
[02:29] <thompa> Black_Magic: i think its only with eee and aspires with 5006 atheros
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> thompa: not so...
[02:29] <thompa> Black_Magic: but lots of new laptops
[02:29] <Black_Magic> why is that?
[02:29] <DanaG> Wow, dragging the Wine'd Steam makes it spazz out.
[02:29] <thompa> Black_Magic: what does lspci tell you?
[02:29] <Black_Magic> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[02:30] <thompa> Black_Magic: Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5006EG
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> Black_Magic: yech...... even worse, you have to use ndiswrapper on that one
[02:30] <Black_Magic> Mines A/B/G
[02:30] <jimiridge> me2!
[02:30] <thompa> Black_Magic: that the same one you got i think, just named diff
[02:30] <jimiridge> i dunno about a though
[02:30]  * saltedlight wonders how long will be these 16 long days 'till ubuntu 8.04 ... :))
[02:30] <Black_Magic> nosrednaekim: Lol your crazy
[02:30] <Black_Magic> nosrednaekim: Im using Madwifi Right NOW!
[02:30] <jimiridge> isnt A like 5Ghz?
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> Black_Magic: woah... how? and what computer?
[02:31] <Black_Magic> Acctually my card works by default..
[02:31] <Black_Magic> Toshiba A105
[02:31] <Black_Magic> i just have to select a wireless network and away i go
[02:31] <thompa> Black_Magic: you need to remove the atheros stuff modules etc, compile from scratch maybe, its a pain
[02:31] <icanhasadmin> thompa: 5007, patched
[02:31] <Black_Magic> thompa: Wa?
[02:31] <Black_Magic> thompa: Im using wireless with madwifi right now...
[02:31] <thompa> icanhasadmin: what patch?
[02:31] <icanhasadmin> Black_Magic: heh, i have one of those rigs too
[02:32] <Black_Magic> my card has always worked for Ubuntu since i first got it...
[02:32] <icanhasadmin> thompa: i'll have to find it again. some bloke genius posted it online, there's a link from madwifi's official compatibility list under 5007 i think
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> Black_Magic: thats odd, I have an Acer Aspire and it refuses to work
[02:32] <jimiridge> i had to patch my madwifi
[02:32] <thompa> Black_Magic: mine has not worked since alpha 6, it before was misidentified as 5007, but its 5006
[02:32] <jimiridge> Atheros AR5BXB63
[02:32] <thompa> jimiridge: what patch
[02:32] <Black_Magic> :/
[02:32] <Black_Magic> I can even use Aircrack-ng
[02:33] <jimiridge> what card do you have?
[02:33] <icanhasadmin> nosrednaekim: that's not odd. the Toshiba's and the Acers have different APIC problems, toshiba affect sound, acer affects wifi :P
[02:33] <Black_Magic> While browsing the net..
[02:33] <icanhasadmin> nosrednaekim: i can get your wifi to work 90% on acer generally
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: :)
[02:33] <thompa> icanhasadmin: that right
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: I put on ndiswrapper and forgot about it ;-)
[02:33] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: Me?
[02:33] <jimiridge> if its 5006 i dunno i have a 5007
[02:33] <icanhasadmin> nosrednaekim: ah, be glad you got ndiswrapper to work lol
[02:33] <thompa> there are like 3 bugs open on it still
[02:34] <jimiridge> my laptop says Atheros AR5BXB63  underneath it
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: yeah.. I had to go find the right driver... but yep, its working though I'd still be glad to get madwifi working
[02:34] <Black_Magic> Me Loves my Wifi Card :P
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: suspend still doesn't work properly because of it
[02:34] <jimiridge> i dont really care for all the VAP nonsense with atheros
[02:34] <Black_Magic> I love Toshiba's Period i got the sound working by simply using Digital Option instead of PCM
[02:35] <thompa> mandriva got it working live somehow, i just tested it 2008.1
[02:35] <Black_Magic> its my Old Faitful labtop
[02:35] <Black_Magic> ;)
[02:35] <bluefoxx> mine works right out of the box
[02:35]  * DanaG is glad to have neither Toshiba nor Acer.
[02:35] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: I coulda sworn a while back you where talking about Aircracking
[02:35] <bluefoxx> ralink sumfin. hardinfo is crapped out
[02:35]  * mneptok patpats his Lenovo
[02:35] <jimiridge> yeah my atheros works with it
[02:36] <thompa> im going to wait for next kernel update, i hope there is one
[02:36] <jimiridge> but i choose to use my r8187 card
[02:36] <jimiridge> no vap nonsense
[02:36] <Black_Magic> r8187?
[02:36] <bluefoxx> i cant fidure out aircrack-ng. need a tutorial >P
[02:36] <jimiridge> http://www.data-alliance.net/servlet/the-90/high-dsh-power-long-dsh-range-AWUS036H-Alfa/Detail
[02:37] <thompa> jimiridge: i was even on the madwifi irc and they could not get mine to work, patch worked pre 2.6.23
[02:37] <bluefoxx> once i find a "type in this"> "you should get this" type tutorial i can figure out stuff from there pretty well
[02:37] <jimiridge> bluefoxx, http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=tutorial&DokuWiki=7502c38a45f3817623efeb5e729229d5
[02:37] <thompa> jimiridge: sorry did you say you had a toshiba/
[02:38] <jimiridge> nope
[02:38] <jimiridge> Acer Aspire 4315
[02:38] <Black_Magic> How do those wifi extenders work?
[02:38] <thompa> jimiridge: we got the same card
[02:38] <teamcobra> uhoh,. Green Lantern is on in 20 mins ;) anyone here ever listen to him?
[02:38] <DanaG> No rtl8180 driver.
[02:38] <thompa> jimiridge: your using madwifi?
[02:38] <mneptok> !offtopic > teamcobra
[02:38] <jimiridge> yea
[02:38] <teamcobra> sorry ;p
[02:39] <mneptok> np
[02:39] <jimiridge> http://hst.ath.cx/~james/acer4315.html
[02:39] <teamcobra> and bluefoxx: airoscript is your friend
[02:39] <thompa> jimiridge: did you compile it and your on heron right/
[02:39] <mneptok> someday when we get a green GTK2 theme it will be topical
[02:39] <jimiridge> yup
[02:39] <bluefoxx> will aircrack-ng work with a  RaLink Wireless PCI Adapter RT2400 / RT2460 ?
[02:39] <teamcobra> mneptok, heheheh
[02:39] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: airoscript?
[02:39] <thompa> jimiridge: did you use latest madwifi only, what else/
[02:39] <teamcobra> blue: yeah, google for it
[02:40] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: kk, will do
[02:40] <thompa> jimiridge: did you blacklist or remove any modules first
[02:40] <teamcobra> btw, I have that alfa that jimi posted, worth every penny (bought from data-alliance too)
[02:41]  * DanaG has iwl3945.
[02:41] <jimiridge> whoah whats going on madd lag
[02:41] <thompa> jimiridge: that link did not work
[02:41] <teamcobra> blue: injection should work on those cards, might not be the best injection rate, but it should at least work
[02:41] <jimiridge> hst?
[02:41] <jimiridge> lemmie check my port forwarding rules this morning its ip changed
[02:41] <thompa> jimiridge: please tell me how you installed madwifi, was it a patch or what?
[02:42] <Black_Magic> Anyone know how to change the side of the :: on the Panel?
[02:42] <Black_Magic> the little separator things that  look like ::
[02:43] <jimiridge> ok hst.ath.cx is back up
[02:44] <thompa> jimiridge: thanks,
[02:45] <LjL> my KSysGuard doesn't seem to list the sensors for CPU temperatures and fan speeds anymore after upgrading to Hardy, although "sensors" in a console still shows them as usual. what gives?
[02:45] <thompa> jimiridge: its 386 only i guess? the patch version is diff from what i used hmm
[02:46] <bluefoxx> i figured since the ralink works so well out of the box it should work fine with aircrack. did i mention i got all my wireless equipment free?[im only short one antenna XP]
[02:46] <DanaG> "This game is currently unavailable"
[02:47] <hp> does anyone know if harddy fixed the laptop harddrive wear and tear problem?
[02:47] <bluefoxx> hp: hards wear out. its a part of life as much as death and birth are
[02:48] <DanaG> Load cycle rapidly increasing isn't a "normal part of life"
[02:48] <hp> bluefoxx: but it's not necessary to speed up the process
[02:48] <teamcobra> blue: I had a usb rt2570 that worked w/ injection... all ralink cards do
[02:48] <DanaG> load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...load...unload...
[02:48] <Black_Magic> hp: WHAT Hardrive wear and tear...
[02:48] <thompa> well is 5006 same as 5007
[02:48] <bluefoxx> hp: the only solution is to get a good brand hard[eg. seagate] and treat it nice[cold==good]
[02:48] <teamcobra> they're not the fastest at injection, but they work nicely if you're in range
[02:48] <teamcobra> heh, and stay the hell away from maxtor
[02:48] <teamcobra> heh, I've had better luck w/ whitelabel generics
[02:49] <teamcobra> than maxtors (and I've gone through 1000s of hd;s, used to mod xboxes)
[02:49] <thompa> oh well im going to try it thanks
[02:49]  * DanaG has a Hitachi 7k200-200.
[02:49] <bluefoxx> hp: stay away from maxtor and western digital in my expirence. i have a 320 meg seagate that still works.
[02:49] <jimiridge> yeah maxtor sells cheap hd's
[02:49] <teamcobra> I thought that the hd problem was a very easy fix, and was installed by default on laptops (laptop-mode-tools package)
[02:50] <bluefoxx> ive had 13 wds fail on me. one was brand new and lasted 3 months. and 5 maxtors. but most hdds are free for me[read: salvaged]
[02:50] <bluefoxx> i need more ATA hards :\
[02:50] <hp> i think it's the particular problem for laptop. i read an article that says fiesty and gutsy makes the harddrive unload a lot, so it makes the lifetime ofhte harddrive shorter
[02:50] <teamcobra> bluefoxx: heh, I used to have some 4gb barracuda scsi2's... my uncle gave em to me when he worked at Ziff-Davis (PC Magazine, etc), and they were worth like $500 each back then
[02:51] <Black_Magic> bluefoxx: :/ i have a WD Passport... got it free....
[02:51] <teamcobra> hp; google for the launchpad bug, I thought it was fixed a looooong time ago
[02:51] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: 4gb scsi2? i use one of those for my .docs
[02:51] <linkinxp> guys which linux its hardy 32 bits? linux-x86 or linux-x86-32? im trying to make mesa drivers
[02:51] <hp> teambora, thanks
[02:51] <teamcobra> but the launchpad bug does offer about 3 different ways to fix it, and all of them work (if it isn't fixed in hardy, but I think it is)
[02:51] <teamcobra> linkin: there's an x86 and an x64 version
[02:51] <linkinxp> teamcobra,  ok can i give a pastebin ?
[02:52] <jimiridge> yeah lil it x86-64
[02:52] <teamcobra> sure, dunno how much I can help, but someone else might be able to as well
[02:52] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: also salvaged from a computer along with a nice controller card! adaptec 2930u/uw with internal 68 pin, internal 50 pin and external 68 pin:)
[02:53] <teamcobra> bluefoxx, nice.... I had to buy a scsi2 controller back in the day for those drives, was like $150...... this was like 11 years ago, the box was a dual p133, so I ran slack on it (12 years old and running slack, _that_ is the way to learn)
[02:53] <teamcobra> 'cause windows had BAD smp support back then
[02:53] <DanaG> The only SCSI system I've ever used was a Dell Precision 410 workstation.
[02:53] <teamcobra> so I used a console in slack (I do remember compiling xfree86 by hand and it taking like 3 hours)
[02:53] <DanaG> Dual P2-350; upgraded to Dual P3-650.
[02:54] <teamcobra> heh, r33t :D
[02:54] <Black_Magic> Can i get someone's aattention for Hep..
[02:54] <linkinxp> okey there i go http://pastebin.com/m357ff6f
[02:54] <linkinxp> i want to know whats next
[02:54] <Black_Magic> *help
[02:55] <bluefoxx> teamcobra: i only bought 3 scsi parts: my maxtronic[NOT maxtor]babyarena 3xide to raid0/1/5 scsi running a 486 and edo ram, my pair of ibm 9.4gb internal scsi2[$5 each] and a replacement cable after the decade old one i salvaged wore out. all else was free :))
[02:55] <DanaG> E: memblock.c: Assertion 'pa_atomic_load(&(b)->_ref) > 0' failed at pulsecore/memblock.c:538, function pa_memblock_unref(). Aborting.
[02:56] <DanaG> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[02:56] <DanaG> Lovely.
[02:56] <Black_Magic> I Have a USB HDD that when i first plugged it in it Worked Just fine for a couple of in and outs then i rebooted and tried to boot and OS off of it Work fine too i logged off restarted then got back on Ubuntu and afterward ubuntu doesnt see the USb HDD anymore...
[02:56] <bluefoxx> i prefere scsi to sata actually...my sata drive has fragged twice in the past week :(
[02:56] <Dr_willis> darn membock!
[02:57] <bluefoxx> oh! anyone remember rambus RAM?
[02:57] <linkinxp> yea
[02:57] <linkinxp> its still in use someplaces
[02:57] <Black_Magic> rambus ram...
[02:58] <bluefoxx> i found some with two terminator sticks XD got it in a box of free parts on craigslist with my new heatsink and router XD
[02:58] <Black_Magic> bluefoxx: Did it have windows on it ;;P
[02:58] <linkinxp> to compile mesa from intellinuxgraphic do i need first install mesa from mesa3d.org?
[02:58] <bluefoxx> Black_Magic: no but the 4gb wd caviar has 98XD ima throw it in my slot1 p3@450/768MB box
[02:59]  * Black_Magic tries to figure out what bluefoxx just said...
[02:59] <linkinxp> lmao
[02:59] <Black_Magic> lol
[02:59] <Black_Magic> 4gb wd caviar has 98XD ima throw it in my slot1p3@450/768MB box
[03:00] <Black_Magic> you have a box with 768Gigs?
[03:00]  * calc is about to upload new OOo :-)
[03:00] <icanhasadmin> calc:  yay :D new package
[03:00] <Black_Magic> that must be a fiberwire box :P
[03:00] <scraga1> tried ubtuntu hardy, but my mouse doesn't appear to work...
[03:00]  * calc wants 768GB ram
[03:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> well he said MB
[03:00]  * Dr_willis builds a relay computer.
[03:00] <bluefoxx> Black_Magic: slot one with a pentuim three running at four hundred and fifty megaheartz with seven hundred and sixty eight megabytes of ram in it. a rather respactable rig for being built on salvage
[03:00] <icanhasadmin> calc: fix anything interesting?
[03:00] <Dr_willis> scraga1,  Upgrade? or clean install?
[03:00] <Black_Magic> Oh
[03:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> but i didn't think p3's ever came in a slot 1
[03:00] <scraga1> Dr_willis: clean install, 64 bit
[03:00] <Black_Magic> Thanks for explaining head was starting to hurt
[03:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> i knew that k6's did...
[03:00] <calc> icanhasadmin: lpi bug reporting, human icon theme fallback (no more no icons bugs), ability to change template dir on amd64, java for powerpc
[03:01] <bluefoxx> Daisuke_Ido: they did. i have one. also gots a 370 version too XD
[03:01] <bluefoxx> but i also have a 1000 celeron...which to use...
[03:01] <calc> well hopefully it will build properly on powerpc again, i had someone test and it appeared to work for them
[03:01] <linkinxp> someone help me with this http://pastebin.com/m357ff6f
[03:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> cool...  slot-based processors were NOT a great idea, i can't imagine using one now
[03:01] <Dr_willis> scraga1,  check the xorg. configs. I noticed one of my machines defaulteds to /dev/psaux for some reason when it should be /dev/input/mice
[03:01] <calc> lpi bug reporting it a big deal for me since now i won't have to keep asking users what version of Ubuntu/OOo they are using
[03:01] <calc> s/it/is/
[03:02] <bluefoxx> i have a gig of ddr ram for sale in the form of four 256 sticks. 15$ each sound fair? they all work too[and all pc3200]
[03:02] <calc> i saw ddr2 4gb for $60 this weekend :)
[03:02] <scraga1>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf right?
[03:03] <calc> of course ddr1 is a bit expensive now since its obsolete
[03:03] <bluefoxx> i got a gig with a heatspreader for $5
[03:03] <bluefoxx> so, $15 each for 256 sounds OK doesnt it?
[03:03]  * calc has no idea what a good price would be for it
[03:03] <icanhasadmin> calc: cool indeed
[03:03] <bluefoxx> (course, that was $5 after trading the guy a cell phone i couldnt use...)
[03:03] <Dr_willis> scraga1,  Yes the new X uses a minimal config - i got an example here  http://pastebin.com/f7467289c
[03:03] <Dr_willis> bye all
[03:04]  * calc has a core 2 duo with ddr2, that he wants to upgrade to something faster
[03:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> not when i can order 1gb for $60 from some places
[03:04] <calc> even with ccache and parallel building OOo still takes me ~ 65m to build
[03:04] <calc> hmm my build should be done in about 10m
[03:04] <bluefoxx> i also have a gig of ram in mixed EDO/FPRAM sticks XDD
[03:05] <scraga1> Dr_willis: my mouse sections short, just Identifier and Driver (set to "vmmouse" )
[03:06] <bluefoxx> and what i think is a apple VRAM stick, meyhaphs...
[03:06] <scraga1> currently using gutsy on a second partition btw, couldn't use hardy without mouse, got annoying.
[03:13] <ere4si> can,t run the legacy nvidia driver in hardy xubuntu...
[03:14] <NW2190> Hi, I don't have a 'restart' option on the quit menu... Is that a problem or was that left out on purpose?
[03:15] <jimiridge> just open up a root console and type "reboot"
[03:15] <jimiridge> thats weird its missing
[03:17] <NW2190> jimiridge: ya that's what I've been doing. I was just wondering if that is how it is supposed to be.
[03:17] <jimiridge> some sort of glitch
[03:17] <woodwizzle> does esata work in hardy?
[03:17] <NW2190> ya that's what I figured. I haven't really looked into much since I'll be upgrading soon anyways.
[03:18] <jimiridge> upgrading to what
[03:19] <ere4si> and now "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" doesn't give me the option to choose a video card driver...
[03:19] <jimiridge> weird
[03:19] <NW2190> the final release
[03:20] <dotech> anyone else having weird problems in gnome where mouse clicks either don't register or register twice?
[03:20] <calc> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=747696 - how long have you used linux thread :)
[03:21] <dotech> lol
[03:21] <dotech> too bad that doesn't say unix
[03:21] <dotech> unix 2.0 before atari, oh yeah.
[03:22] <calc> dotech: wow you're old ;-)
[03:22] <dotech> nahh
[03:22] <dotech> i didn't install it that year, i got a copy of it from archives :)
[03:22] <dotech> but it was originally that old at least
[03:22] <calc> i thought i was pretty being in nearly the oldest 1% on that poll
[03:22] <calc> er pretty old
[03:23] <dotech> i think i installed slackware back in 1996-97ish
[03:23] <jimiridge> i voted around 01-02
[03:23] <dotech> maybe 95-96
[03:24] <calc> i started in feb 95, just a few months from being in the oldest percentage, heh
[03:24] <calc> i think i still have the original cd i installed with
[03:24] <calc> iirc had kernel 1.2.4
[03:24] <dotech> haha nice
[03:24] <calc> was slackware 2.1 from what i recall
[03:24] <dotech> i was still in middle school when i tried to bootstrap my slackware system
[03:24] <dotech> that didn't work out if i remember correctly
[03:24] <teamcobra> calc: I have slackware 2.1 on cd someplace too
[03:25] <teamcobra> the cd is a little hosed
[03:25] <calc> teamcobra: infomagic cd?
[03:25] <jimiridge> linux has sure come a long way
[03:25] <dotech> yet my mouse and keyboard still act funny ;)
[03:25] <teamcobra> calc: nop, friend gave it to me.... I do remember downloading 2.0 on floppies though
[03:25]  * calc remembers going to the local bookstore and buying the latest infomagic multicd linux set every few months
[03:25] <dotech> i'm just happy they work most of the time
[03:26] <teamcobra> I bought my own cd-r sometime around 95
[03:26] <teamcobra> was _expeeensive_ ;p
[03:26] <teamcobra> we didn't have luxuries like infomagic around here ;p :p
[03:26] <dotech> anyone have any idea how i can start debugging the cause for my mouse click troubles?
[03:26] <dotech> seems like 1 out of 5 clicks just doesn't register
[03:27] <bluefoxx> XD 1260MB of old RAM.
[03:27] <jimiridge> i gave myself a mohawk today
[03:28] <TheDojo> I need a little help with mozilla and sound out of my USB headset ... the sound works fine in other apps like skype, but mozilla always plays sound out of hte laptop speakers
[03:28] <jimiridge> dotech, cat chewing the cables (mynoks)
[03:28] <dotech> TheDojo: get pavucontrol
[03:28] <dotech> TheDojo: that lets you switch which sink is used on a per-application basis
[03:28] <bluefoxx> 3977mb of ram in total[rimms, ddr and sdram]
[03:28] <calc> teamcobra: ouch a cd-r in 95 was around $2000 USD
[03:28] <teamcobra> calc: uh-huh
[03:28] <teamcobra> and 100% worth it
[03:29] <TheDojo> thanks man ... i'll give it a try
[03:29] <teamcobra> I bought a refurb though
[03:29] <teamcobra> so it was a bit cheaper than that
[03:29] <dotech> jimiridge: haha no other mamals around here but me
[03:29] <teamcobra> around 1200, IIRC
[03:29] <calc> teamcobra: i waited until they came down to around $800 before buying one :)
[03:29] <calc> i think that was around 96
[03:29] <jimiridge> my cat chews the heck out of all my cables
[03:29] <teamcobra> :)
[03:29] <jimiridge> i need to set up a live stripped 5v charger wire and get the point across wires+mouth=ouch
[03:30] <calc> i remember reading about cd-r's probably in 94 when they still cost ~ $5000
[03:30] <bluefoxx> jimiridge: put chilli pepper paste on them
[03:30] <calc> apparently they were 'cheap' enough to do an in depth review on them in a computer magazine
[03:30] <dotech> TheDojo: i would also suggest getting the rest of the PulseAudio tools, they're handy, http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/AboutPulseAudio#RelatedSoftware
[03:31]  * calc wishes this build would finish already so he could upload OOo
[03:31] <calc> 80m and still doing stuff :(
[03:31] <dotech> where's the strangest place you ever compiled a Linux kernel?
[03:31] <Davo_Dinkum> ok, so ive dist-upgraded from dapper to hardy. i ran the hardware testing tool. is that all the bug reporting needed?
[03:31] <TheDojo> playing with it now ... i'll check that link out too
[03:31] <b4l74z4r> i've discovered a bug in 8.04, i changed my application font to bold, but the applications taskbar entry keeps changing from bold to regular each time an event inside the application takes place such as rhythmbox changing to the next track
[03:31] <poningru> dotech: router
[03:32] <Davo_Dinkum> i'd like to report as many bugs as possible to help LTS upgrades
[03:32] <dotech> poningru: how about on top of a 3,000m mountain? :)
[03:32] <linkinxp> how in the h@#@# i compile Mesa Drivers ????? waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[03:33] <RAOF> Now _that_ is a new and different error message.  "Soft CPU time limit exhausted, terminating."
[03:33] <calc> i don't compile kernels anymore, no real need, i don't write drivers very often
[03:33] <dotech> i do :)
[03:33] <linkinxp> dotech,  "D
[03:33] <calc> last time i did was mid last year when i was writing audio driver for realtek chip
[03:33] <linkinxp> can u help me?
[03:33] <dotech> my specialty, thats why this mouse click problem intrigues me so much
[03:33] <linkinxp> calc,  ;(
[03:33] <Meshezabeel> .calc 2+2
[03:33] <calc> Meshezabeel: i'm not a bot :P
[03:33] <dotech> unhandled interrupts bother me
[03:34] <linkinxp> who can help me?
[03:34] <linkinxp> :s
[03:34] <Meshezabeel> calc, could have fooled me :p
[03:34] <calc> and i've had this nick longer than probably half the people in this channel have been alive ;-P
[03:34] <dotech> linkinxp: i think i would have to get some sort of medical degree before i would be qualified for that
[03:34] <linkinxp> dotech,  omg man :( im not joking :(
[03:35] <Meshezabeel> calc, wow, so you must be twice as old as half of us and half as old as twice of us
[03:35] <bluefoxx> Meshezabeel: nice one. the hobbit huh?>
[03:35] <dotech> linkinxp: i'm not exactly sure what Mesa drivers even are
[03:35] <Meshezabeel> bluefoxx, uhuh
[03:35] <calc> Meshezabeel: well dotech sounds old so i wouldn't say all ;-)
[03:35] <Meshezabeel> :)
[03:35] <calc> Meshezabeel: 10 years on freenode and another 4-5 before that
[03:35] <dotech> i'm not really familiar with many graphics drivers
[03:36] <jadacyru1> Hello, in hardy, i have show_desktop as false in gconf and i cant change wallpapers actively, I have to reboot in order to get the new walllpaper to show. But if i turn off show_desktop it works normally. this is annoying and it never behaved like this until recent updates. anyone else know about this?
[03:36] <dotech> more network and input devices
[03:36] <calc> "Registered: 9 years 23 weeks 5 days (9h 38m 15s) ago"
[03:36] <linkinxp> dotech,  Intel 965GM drivers Video
[03:36] <bluefoxx> * [calc] (n=ccheney@adsl-69-153-205-6.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net): Chris Cheney
[03:36] <bluefoxx> * [calc] #ubuntu+1 #ubuntu
[03:36] <bluefoxx> * [calc] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/
[03:36] <bluefoxx> * [calc] is identified to services
[03:36] <bluefoxx> * [calc] idle 00:00:14, signon: Fri Mar 21 13:56:51
[03:36] <bluefoxx> * [calc] End of WHOIS list.
[03:36] <Meshezabeel> calc, wow, you must have lived through that time when there was no Internet ;)
[03:36] <dotech> arpanet
[03:36] <calc> Meshezabeel: yea :)
[03:36] <dotech> > Internet
[03:37] <Meshezabeel> arpanet only came out in 69
[03:37] <calc> bluefoxx: er my /whois isn't really all that useful :)
[03:37] <bluefoxx> Meshezabeel: *gasp for drama* there was such a time?O.o
[03:37] <Meshezabeel> bluefoxx, yeah, hard to believe, eh?
[03:37] <dotech> linkinxp: no clue about video drivers
[03:37] <calc> bluefoxx: /msg nickserv info (foo) to find out about people like their registered time
[03:37] <bluefoxx> calc: meh. ive nuttin better to do[im sortin unused ram]
[03:37] <linkinxp> dotech,  u know how to compile ? can u read the instructions? :D
[03:37] <dotech> bluefoxx: defragmenting?
[03:38] <bluefoxx> Meshezabeel: idk what to do w/o it. cept play dnd
[03:38]  * calc didn't realize all his other channels were hidden, or they didn't show up in bluefoxx /whois for some reason
[03:38] <dotech> linkinxp: i know how to execute a compiler, sure
[03:38] <bluefoxx> Don_Miguel: defragging whot?
[03:38] <Meshezabeel> bluefoxx, haha
[03:38] <dotech> bluefoxx: your unused memory blocks
[03:38] <x1250> :)
[03:39] <linkinxp> dotech,  what u understand from this? http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html
[03:39] <bluefoxx> dotech: lol. nope. about 40 unused RAM modules/sticks
[03:39] <dotech> bluefoxx: ahh, gotchya
[03:39] <dotech> linkinxp: you need git, the VCS
[03:40] <Meshezabeel> calc, I still remember back when html first came out, I founded the #html channel on dalnet, kind of weird to think about it now.
[03:40] <linkinxp> dotech,  i installed git whats vcs?
[03:40] <dotech> linkinxp: version control system
[03:40] <bluefoxx> i wanna use a VCR and VHS tape for storage meda XP or a audio cassette tape
[03:40] <dotech> linkinxp: basically just where the software is stored and maintained
[03:40] <bluefoxx> and not just for audio and vidio >P
[03:40] <linkinxp> dotech,  okey how i compile that?
[03:40] <DanaG> Hmm, HL2 under Wine has severe input brokenness.
[03:40] <bluefoxx> i mean actual data, like text docs and such
[03:40] <DanaG> It gets keys stuck.
[03:40] <dotech> linkinxp: there's a link at the top of that page to 22:38 < bluefoxx> Don_Miguel: defragging whot?
[03:40] <bluefoxx> DanaG: that happens.
[03:40] <calc> Meshezabeel: Meshezabeel eh html was around a long time before dalnet
[03:40] <dotech> err, not what i meant to paste
[03:41] <calc> sorry for double completion
[03:41] <dotech> linkinxp: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/install.html
[03:41] <ogre> hey, my computer froze during update now its saying i have updates but the update manager errors out. how do i fix this?
[03:41] <DanaG> I press 'w' and it keeps going and going and going and (energizer bunny)
[03:41] <calc> html - aug 1991, dalnet - jul 1994
[03:41] <linkinxp> dotech,  i know but omg its confusing idk if im doing it ok and idk what should happen
[03:41] <bluefoxx> DanaG: i fixed it by enableing bounce keys
[03:41] <bluefoxx> DanaG: same.
[03:41] <dotech> linkinxp: if you just follow the instructions one at a time it should work
[03:42] <linkinxp> dotech,  okeydoki let me see
[03:42] <dotech> linkinxp: is this not in synaptic or something?
[03:42] <linkinxp> dotech,  nop ;(
[03:42] <bluefoxx> girrr. i hate 905 callers -. - damn telemarketers. they need to get real jobs.
[03:43] <Meshezabeel> calc, well I mean when html became official in the mid 90s
[03:44] <calc> Meshezabeel: ah ok
[03:44] <linkinxp> hey guys whats ubuntu desktop?
[03:44] <linkinxp> its the whole thing?
[03:44] <dotech> linkinxp: looks like i have a bunch of mesa packages in synaptic, many of which are installed
[03:44] <linkinxp> synaptic its asking me to uninstall that to install other mesa thing\
[03:44] <icanhasadmin> bluefoxx: that's illegal. $500 per incident
[03:45] <linkinxp> dotech,  im looking yea
[03:45] <calc> i hung around efnet from feb 1995 (when i got net access) until around jun 1998 when i switched to opn (now freenode)
[03:45] <bluefoxx> ?
[03:45] <linkinxp> dotech,  and one of them says unistall ubuntu desktop
[03:45] <linkinxp> ?
[03:45] <dotech> that doesnt sound like a good idea
[03:45] <linkinxp> no hu
[03:45] <linkinxp> "D
[03:45] <bluefoxx> huh?
[03:45] <icanhasadmin> calc: you're old
[03:45] <calc> bluefoxx: i got grandcentral for my home number, i can call block anyone i want, its great :)
[03:45] <calc> icanhasadmin: yea
[03:46]  * bluefoxx is confused
[03:46] <calc> icanhasadmin: i was mentioning earlier that i probably have had my nick longer than people in this channel have been alive ;-)
[03:46]  * bluefoxx was spaced out again
[03:46] <icanhasadmin> calc: lol maybe
[03:46]  * bluefoxx was staring at a mesmerizing visualization
[03:47] <dotech> adios amigos
[03:47] <linkinxp> chao
[03:47] <linkinxp> cuidate no te mojes :D
[03:47] <dotech> oyasuminasai
[03:47] <calc> just a few min of building left, i need a faster pc, argh
[03:47] <bluefoxx> icanhasadmin: whats illegal?
[03:48] <linkinxp> calc,  how i know which drivers im i using?
[03:48] <calc> an octocore 10GHz computer please :)
[03:48] <dotech> quad core 3.6ghz is nice
[03:48] <linkinxp> dotech,  to make sure where i can see that?
[03:48] <calc> linkinxp: driver for what?
[03:48] <linkinxp> video
[03:48] <calc> dotech: yea that would be helpful
[03:48]  * calc is trying to hold out and make his current pc last for 3 years
[03:48] <bluefoxx> overclocked celeron d at 3.3 to 3.7[depending on hardware im usin]
[03:49] <icanhasadmin> bluefoxx: telemarkers calling after 9pm in america
[03:49] <Jordan_U> For some reason my sound won't go through my headphone jack, and plugging in headphones doesn't mute the internal speakers
[03:49] <calc> i have a E6300 @2.8GHz
[03:49] <dotech> linkinxp: i see my drivers if i do System->Administration->Hardware Drivers
[03:49] <bluefoxx> icanhasadmin: ah. im in van, so its 7:40 here
[03:49] <dotech> that shows proprietary drivers, my nvidia drivers
[03:49] <linkinxp> dotech,  mine its empty :o
[03:49] <dotech> you're 100% free software then, congrats :)
[03:49] <bluefoxx> icanhasadmin: i though you were talking about something i said while spaced out[which i dont think i did XD]
[03:49] <icanhasadmin> bluefoxx: oh lol
[03:50] <dotech> anyone else here listen to Sirius on their computer?
[03:50] <linkinxp> dotech,  :D thanks where its the Text file that stores the drivers info?
[03:50] <linkinxp> dotech,  POD here
[03:50] <dotech> I was thinking of porting the interface for one of the popular OS X clients to GTK
[03:50] <bluefoxx> icanhasadmin: i was worried about a banhammer or trout-slap >.  <
[03:50] <dotech> and use Sipie as the backend
[03:50] <dotech> Sipie's GUI is a bit, er... lacking
[03:50] <icanhasadmin> bluefoxx: or worse, a lart
[03:50] <keanu> is there a tool to display lame mp3 bitrates?  i know file.mp3 -> Properties -> Audio/Video has it, but it doesn't display VBRs
[03:50] <bluefoxx> icanhasadmin: O.o?
[03:51]  * bluefoxx has only had as much internets as he wants for a year
[03:51] <bluefoxx> keanu: errr...xmms should if you look at song properties...
[03:51] <dotech> linkinxp: i would check the Ubuntu forums for your video chipset
[03:51] <calc> keanu: mp3info maybe, i haven't used it though
[03:51] <linkinxp> dotech,  okey thanks
[03:51] <dotech> linkinxp: someone must have already tried to install on that graphics card
[03:52] <calc> keanu: its in universe
[03:52]  * bluefoxx will be back shortly...biological reasons.
[03:52] <linkinxp> dotech,  i guest
[03:52] <RAOF> linkinxp: grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you what driver X is using.
[03:52] <RAOF> (Among other things)
[03:52] <linkinxp> humm
[03:52] <linkinxp> let me see
[03:54] <edoceo> Greetings!
[03:54] <edoceo> Recently after upgrading to Hardy my FireFox has lost it's Application associations, the whole list is gone!
[03:54] <edoceo> A fresh install of Kubuntu Hardy (in my VirtualBox) has a number of items in the list, where did mine go?
[03:55]  * bluefoxx is back
[03:55] <edoceo> It's toased my list on two machines
[03:56] <dotech> i think my mouse problems are related to rdesktop
[03:57] <edoceo> dotech: I've had rdesktop capture my mouse from every application when I had it running too!
[03:58] <RAOF> What annoying level of my audio stack is sending pulseaudio SIGXCPU?
[03:58] <dotech> edoceo: the weird thing is that its like 30% of my mouse clicks seem to be ignored
[03:58] <dotech> not a complete loss of control
[03:58] <edoceo> I has lost everything - but could click in rdesktop and could close that application
[03:58] <dotech> hmm
[03:59] <edoceo> Then my mouse was back!  That was a few updates ago (I'm updating nightly)
[03:59] <DanaG> Handy thing: allowungrab
[03:59] <DanaG> in xorg.conf.
[03:59] <Jordan_U> For some reason my sound won't go through my headphone jack, and plugging in headphones doesn't mute the internal speakers
[03:59] <DanaG> I think that's the name.  It lets you ctrl-alt-num_slash
[03:59] <dotech> edoceo: what happens now when you use rdesktop?
[03:59] <edoceo> DanaG: that's a custom window setting right?
[03:59] <DanaG> BUT: it also lets people bypass xscreensaver's lock.
[03:59] <DanaG> Thus, it's a relatively big security vulnerability.
[04:00] <dotech> i closed rdesktop and my mouse seems to work now
[04:01] <dotech> wow, still some weird things going on
[04:01] <dotech> if i click ont eh desktop and hold the button so i can drag a box, if i move the mouse pointer around between my 3 monitors the box randomly closes and restarts
[04:02] <Meshezabeel> I keep having npviewer.bin crashing on me, anyone else been having this problem lately?
[04:02] <dotech> yep
[04:02] <Meshezabeel> ok, thanks :)
[04:02] <diefordethklok> hello all, does the rt73(rt71) how to work in the hardy  beta? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400236
[04:02] <edoceo> Krita has been crashy as well
[04:02] <sivel27> hello all
[04:03] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: alt+f2 metacity --replace <-- is a temperary fix to your issue
[04:03] <sivel27> so im in a jam. fresh install of heron, ati 9700 pro + restricted drivers +32 lcd = logging into a white screen
[04:03] <dotech> 32?
[04:03] <sivel27> the only way is through gnome fail safe term
[04:03] <dotech> i'm using 3 and it seems ok
[04:03] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: output of fglrxinfo please
[04:04] <sivel27> ok one sec
[04:04] <sivel27> is there a default shortcut to open up a terminal?
[04:04] <icanhasadmin> alt+f2 xterm
[04:04] <sivel27> ok thanks
[04:04]  * RAOF prefers alt+f2 gnome-terminal
[04:05] <sivel27> dsd
[04:05]  * icanhasadmin thinks in this situation it doesn't matter
[04:05] <dotech> can someone run a test for me?
[04:05] <sivel27> hmm no such luck\
[04:05] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: what do you mean?
[04:05] <dotech> use the mouse and drag a highlight box on your desktop and hold it
[04:05] <dotech> see if it disappears within 10 seconds
[04:05] <sivel27> i did the alt+f2, but no term popped up
[04:05] <dotech> or move the mouse around while you hold it and see if it keeps redrawing it in different spots
[04:05] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: wait, are you in a white screen?
[04:06] <sivel27> no, im in the fail-safe gnome terminal right now
[04:06] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: weell ctrl+alt+f1-f6 are differnt terminals
[04:06] <sivel27> the white screen come if i log into regular gnome
[04:08] <keanu> calc, mp3info wasn't exactly what i was looking for (was looking for something to output v0, v2, etc) but it'll work - thanks
[04:08] <x0x> «HeLLo» «EvErY» «OnE» «« x0x »» «Iz» «BaCk» «To» «RoCk» «YouR» «HeArT» «AgAiN»   ABC Script
[04:08] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: ctrl+alt+f1 will get you to a term.. i need the output of fglrxinfo
[04:08] <x0x> what is ubuntu+1 ?
[04:09] <TheBurninator> hey guys i have a question about the hardy beta
[04:09] <spiniker> hello
[04:09] <TheBurninator> i have been running it for a while now
[04:09] <sivel27b> wow, i "booted" myself into a whole screen terminal now
[04:09] <sivel27b> how do i get back to the fail-safe gnome from here?
[04:09] <icanhasadmin> yeah, ctrl+alt+f7 to get back
[04:09] <TheBurninator> if i keep updating it, will i have to upgrade when the final version comes out or will i basically have the final version from the updates?
[04:09] <sivel27b> thanks
[04:09] <sivel27> excellent, thanks
[04:10] <spiniker> im planning to dual boot ubuntu(hardy beta) and xp but i only have 80g hd,can i partition it,i still wouldlike to keep xp for my games..
[04:11] <sivel27> i do apologize, as when i do the ctrl+alt+f1 combo, it kicks me out of the gui, and into a full screen terminal
[04:11] <spiniker> im just not very good on how to do the partitions,can i put ubuntu on 20g and 60 on xp?
[04:11] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: yes it's suppose to do that. now in the terminal you can type fglrxinfo for me please
[04:12] <sivel27> the problem is that it cant do it, as theres noe "gui" just a big terminal
[04:12] <akk> spiniker: My gutsy machine with tons of stuff installed is using 6.7G (on a root partition of 12G, more than I need)
[04:12] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: yes. a big terminal is good. login like it asks, then fglrxinfo
[04:12] <sivel27> one sec, let me try again
[04:12] <sivel27> ok
[04:13] <akk> spiniker: Allow about 8G per root partition, make two or three of them and leave a partition for yourself (whatever music and pictures and stuff you need)
[04:13] <akk> spiniker: or if you're keeping XP, you could even leave your pix and stuff on the XP partition
[04:13] <sivel27> ok, when i type in the fglrx command. it says "unable to open display" NULL
[04:14] <DanaG> I started with a 10G root; that's enough for lots of stuff.
[04:14] <DanaG> And you can always re-resize later.
[04:14] <icanhasadmin> oh that's interesting.
[04:14] <calc> keanu: you probably can't find out the v# unless lame encodes it into the text somewhere
[04:15] <sivel27> is there a shortcut for ,say eterm or xterm, without booting me out of the screen?
[04:15] <spiniker> akk:i know how to do the dual boot,the partitioning problem is what im facing,my hd had 2 partition back then,C:/60 and E:/20
[04:15] <akk> spiniker: That's why I was giving recommended sizes -- I thought that was what you were asking for
[04:15] <quentusrex> How do I share a printer from my Hardy system to a window xp system?
[04:15] <keanu> calc, in dbpoweramp (windows) it seems to identify between cbr and vbr (v0, v2, apx, aps) so it's probably somewhere n the text
[04:15] <calc> uploading openoffice.org_2.4.0-3ubuntu2.dsc now
[04:15] <spiniker> yes i know..
[04:16] <calc> keanu: oh interesting
[04:16] <DanaG> Aargh, Wine through PulseAudio seems to present only a mono stream.
[04:16] <calc> keanu: you could conceivably figure it out if you compared a histogram of the bitrates to what lame uses for its v#'s (if its not encoded)
[04:16] <akk> don't forget a separate /boot partition (mine is too small at 67M, keeps filling up with kernels)
[04:16] <icanhasadmin> sivel27: not that i know of. please get me the output of 'glxinfo | grep direct'
[04:16] <quentusrex> Anyone know how to share a printer from Hardy to Windows XP?
[04:16] <keanu> calc, yeah
[04:17] <RAOF> DanaG: Presents a stereo stream here (but doesn't work correctly)
[04:17] <dotech> quentusrex: samba
[04:17] <sivel27> ok
[04:17] <calc> keanu: so it could be that dbpoweramp is either reading something or determining it on its own
[04:17] <DanaG> What are you trying to do with VBR?
[04:17] <DanaG> The app Winamp can show realtime VBR, rather than just average.
[04:17] <quentusrex> dotech, I'm asking how Hardy would get samba to share the printer?
[04:17] <calc> keanu: and thats even assuming you can determine what actually encoded the mp3 to begin with
[04:17] <dotech> quentusrex: not sure if there's a GUI for it or not
[04:18] <xShad0w___> im having some problems getting ubuntu to work on vmware (fusion)
[04:18] <xShad0w___> basically mouse doesn't work but i checked the xorg.conf and the vmware mouse is setup correctly inside
[04:19] <quentusrex> dotech, then if there isn't. then is there a walkthrough for this?
[04:19] <xShad0w___> (after vmware tools install which didn't go so smoothly but seems like its working)
[04:19] <DanaG> Argh, FF3 always takes ages to close.
[04:19] <DanaG> I usually give up and say "yes" to force-quit.
[04:20] <dotech> quentusrex: yea there must be, i would just google for "ubuntu samba printer"
[04:20] <keanu> calc, other windows programs (such as mr. questionman) can also determine it, so i'm sure it's encoded somewhere.  opening up an mp3 in nano (easiest thing I had access to) showed that "LAME 3.90" does appear in the file though
[04:21] <calc> keanu: ah ok, well you could run 'strings' on the file and see if it is encoded somewhere
[04:21] <dotech> quentusrex: im actually sharing a printer on a Vista machine, using it on OS X Leopard and Ubuntu
[04:21] <sivel27> quit
[04:21] <keanu> calc, heh, i always forget about strings
[04:22] <dotech> damnit
[04:22] <dotech> im using xev to watch my X events
[04:22] <sivel27> help quit
[04:22] <dotech> i click in the box, hold the click, and mouse my mouse all around the screen
[04:22] <dotech> randomly it gets a "ButtonRelease" event
[04:22] <dotech> yet i never let go of the button!
[04:23] <DanaG> E: memblock.c: Assertion 'pa_atomic_load(&(b)->_ref) > 0' failed at pulsecore/memblock.c:538, function pa_memblock_unref(). Aborting.
[04:23] <DanaG> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[04:23] <dotech> no refs, not good
[04:23] <dotech> double free maybe
[04:24] <xShad0w___> anyone know the correct xorg.conf settings for two finger right click on symantec touchpad's
[04:24] <sivel27> ok, it said something about mesa
[04:24] <DanaG> synaptics, you mean?
[04:24] <xShad0w___> lol yea
[04:24] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[04:24] <DanaG> Lots of nifty stuff for synaptics there.
[04:24] <DanaG> (That's my web space through my school.)
[04:25] <xShad0w___> wow palmdetect, woah didn't know synaptics had so many settings
[04:25] <xShad0w___> whats gsynaptics, i was having some problems with the FingerHigh and FingerLow for two finger scroll
[04:25] <sivel27> mesa 3d rather
[04:26] <DanaG> gsynaptics is a package that has a GUI to configure a few more touchpad thingies.
[04:26] <Meshezabeel> quentusrex, http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid39_gci1250451,00.html
[04:26] <x0x> «HeLLo» «EvErY» «OnE» «« x0x »» «Iz» «BaCk» «To» «RoCk» «YouR» «HeArT» «AgAiN»   ABC Script
[04:26] <DanaG> Oh yeah, watch out for horizontal scrolling: by default, it's "Forward" and "Back" in Firefox.
[04:26] <x0x> i am sorry
[04:26] <Boohbah> x0x: are you using windows?
[04:26] <x0x> yes
[04:27] <xShad0w___> DanaG: well i did change the values, altho some were missing/already set in FF beta4, but it still was a little jerky sometimes
[04:27] <x0x> my pc is windows
[04:27] <x0x> my server is ubuntu
[04:27] <x0x> i need ftpd on my server.
[04:27] <calc> x0x: ssh, screen, and irssi are great together :)
[04:28] <x0x> ???
[04:28] <x0x> oh yeah :D
[04:28] <calc> ssh is secure shell remote login
[04:28] <x0x> but how to upload files? :S
[04:29] <calc> screen allows you to run multiple console sessions in one window (and detach while it runs)
[04:29] <calc> x0x: ssh, scp
[04:29] <calc> x0x: search for something called pscp.exe
[04:29] <sivel27> dds
[04:29] <calc> or you could install samba on your server to have windows have direct access
[04:30] <dotech> damn, edoceo left
[04:30] <x0x> i found it
[04:30] <dotech> i wanted to ask him if he had "focus-follows-pointer" on
[04:30]  * x0x wants ftpd
[04:30] <x0x> coz i am going to sell shells
[04:30] <iMatter> i still need help with my USB hdd problem
[04:30] <sarixe> hi, i just got a wireless n router to go with my laptop that has intel wireless n.  however, when i view the Connection information, it says it's 54 Mb/s. how do i get it to use N speeds?
[04:30] <iMatter> how exactly do you sell shells..
[04:31] <calc> x0x: ssh/scp is equivalent to encrypted ftp
[04:31] <calc> well there is sftp also
[04:31] <iMatter> hes going to shell sells
[04:31] <iMatter> calc: sftp?
[04:32] <calc> iMatter: uses ssh to do encrypted ftp
[04:32] <calc> iMatter: there is a sftp command line util or you can type ctrl-l sftp: in your nautilus window
[04:33] <calc> wel sftp://hostname/
[04:33] <iMatter> i have proftpd
[04:33] <calc> iMatter: do you have openssh-server installed?
[04:33] <iMatter> calc: yes
[04:33] <calc> iMatter: then you have sftp also
[04:34] <x0x> E: Couldn't find package proftpd
[04:34] <x0x> i m using x.10
[04:34] <iMatter> calc: Is there a way to put computer in DMZ without messing with router settings...?
[04:34] <dotech> xev shows that i'm getting spontaneous ButtonRelease events from my mouse while i hold it down, i'm in trouble
[04:34] <calc> x0x: its in universe
[04:34] <dotech> iMatter: no
[04:35] <sarixe> iMatter : no way
[04:35] <dotech> iMatter: if you have upnp you can open ports on the fly
[04:35] <calc> iMatter: no
[04:35] <iMatter> How can i get upnp?
[04:35]  * calc hopes this upload passes
[04:35] <dotech> iMatter: it would have to be built into your router
[04:35] <iMatter> i still need to edit router stuff dont i...
[04:35] <dotech> no
[04:36] <dotech> upnp allows for dynamic port forwarding changes
[04:36] <iMatter> Ok well how does this work
[04:36] <calc> if upnp is built into your router you just have to make sure it is enabled
[04:36] <iMatter> i think i have it
[04:36] <dotech> assuming it was enabled
[04:36] <x0x> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR PPLZ I BADLY NEED A FTPD ON MY SERVER. do you READ me?
[04:36] <calc> if it is then you just need programs that do upnp to open ports
[04:36] <iMatter> x0x: Use LAMP
[04:36] <dotech> x0x: glftpd
[04:36] <x0x> what is lamp?
[04:36] <RAOF> x0x: sudo aptitude install vsftpd.  Done.
[04:36] <iMatter> ok what program?
[04:37] <iMatter> Linux Apache Mysql P.....
[04:37] <sarixe> php
[04:37] <sarixe> perl
[04:37] <iMatter> yea
[04:37] <iMatter> Php
[04:37] <calc> iMatter: dunno, i don't run ftpd, i just use ssh
[04:37] <x0x> i already have vsftpd installed
[04:37] <RAOF> x0x: Then you have a ftp server.
[04:37] <calc> and i have access to my router so i open the port directly
[04:37] <iMatter> calc: I mean the upnp thing...?
[04:37] <x0x> but its doesnt work
[04:37] <calc> iMatter: programs that support it works automatically at least on my router
[04:37] <RAOF> x0x: So, presumably you need help configuring it.  I'd suggest google.
[04:37] <calc> iMatter: eg transmission uses it
[04:38] <iMatter> calc: Cant some Bittorrent things do it?
[04:38] <iMatter> :/ opens transmissions
[04:38] <calc> yes transmission is a bittorrent client
[04:38] <sarixe> anyone know how to get iwl4965 to run at N speed?
[04:38] <calc> azureus does upnp also
[04:38] <iMatter> how can i use it to my advantage....
[04:38] <RAOF> x0x: You'll also be interested in the /etc/vsftpd.conf file.
[04:39] <calc> iMatter: just run it and it will open the port using upnp automatically
[04:39] <dotech> ButtonRelease event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x3600001, bah!!!
[04:39]  * calc bbl
[04:39] <iMatter> calc: I mean the port 21 and 80 so i can have FTP and Http Server
[04:40] <RAOF> x0x: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html is likely to help, too.
[04:40] <calc> iMatter: don't know for those, typically people open those ports directly on a router since they need to stay open permanently
[04:40] <thompa> jimiridge: hey was it you who gave me the madwifi patch link. cheers
[04:40] <calc> iMatter: and the ports for those don't change like with bittorrent
[04:40] <iMatter> it says the port is open :/
[04:40] <iMatter> Transmissions
[04:40] <thompa> ahteros 5007 works, just had to remove all the restricted stuff first
[04:41] <x0x> tnx RAOF
[04:41] <HorizonXP> hey
[04:41] <iMatter> well my problem is i dont have access to my router :/
[04:41] <HorizonXP> how do I get gnome-panel to autohide completely?
[04:42] <sarixe> iMatter : you shouldn't be messin' with a router that's not yours to admin
[04:43] <iMatter> sarixe: My router doesnt have a configuration interface
[04:43] <x0x> RAOF where do i set home dir?
[04:43] <sarixe> o
[04:43] <calc> iMatter: buy a new one?
[04:43] <sarixe> silly me, then
[04:43] <iMatter> :/...
[04:43] <sarixe> rather, silly router
[04:43] <iMatter> this one is like old faitfull
[04:43] <iMatter> had it for years
[04:43] <calc> iMatter: preferrably one that isn't crap ;-)
[04:43] <sarixe> what kind of router has no config?
[04:43] <sarixe> a bad one
[04:43] <bazhang> dd-wrt then
[04:43] <calc> iMatter: what kind of router is it?
[04:44] <iMatter> Poop
[04:44] <iMatter> it has bad bandswith..
[04:44] <iMatter> if i bought Fios Internet...itd push out 1kb/s
[04:45] <calc> grr my uploads still hang with 1KB left via ftp :\
[04:45]  * calc has to reupload using ssh
[04:46] <iMatter> calc: i throught with ftp you could just drag and drop files?
[04:46] <calc> iMatter: you can do that with ssh, ftp, webdav, etc anything that gnome supports
[04:46] <calc> i'm uploading openoffice to ubuntu via ftp using dput
[04:46] <iMatter> then why are you Uploading?
[04:46] <iMatter> OH!
[04:47] <calc> it hung so i have to upload it to another server with ssh then dput it from there
[04:47] <bluefoxx> does anyone else here hate tooltips as much as me? i think all programs should have an option that turns them off... especially cpu hogs like frostwire/limewire and other java apps.
[04:48] <calc> does anyone else hate java apps as much as me? ;-)
[04:48] <akk> calc: yes
[04:48] <iMatter> ;p
[04:48] <calc> just delete any java app that helps solve the problem ;-)
[04:48] <x0x> java sucks
[04:48] <x0x> lol
[04:48] <calc> and the foss jre is too buggy
[04:49]  * DanaG luuuurves dd-wrt.
[04:49]  * Hydrogen likes tha java apps
[04:49] <DanaG> Yay, QoS!
[04:49] <bluefoxx> nooooo no no. i need frostwire. cant live w/o it.
[04:49] <Hydrogen> but
[04:49] <DanaG> Run BT on a specific port, and set it to Bulk priority.
[04:49] <Hydrogen> p2p apps should diaf
[04:49] <calc> DanaG: does the dd-wrt site work for you? i tried going there and it wouldn't pull up
[04:49] <bluefoxx> it sux, but it gives me my fix...
[04:49] <iMatter> DanaG: dd-wrt
[04:49] <iMatter> ?"
[04:50] <calc> iMatter: dd-wrt is firmware for wireless AP
[04:50] <iMatter> calc: Oh So you can use devices on computer as a router...? maybe i should do that..
[04:50] <bluefoxx> well, at least its letting me type in the 'artist' box whear as feisty/gutsy it kept jumping the active field back to 'title'
[04:51] <bluefoxx> java and tk are bloated and buggy
[04:51] <calc> iMatter: er no its a firmware for a REAL router
[04:51] <iMatter> oh...
[04:51] <calc> not something running on a pc
[04:51] <bluefoxx> calc: open source firmware?
[04:51] <calc> bluefoxx: yes
[04:51] <Hydrogen> bluefoxx: and then you take a step further down on the chain and reach gtk...
[04:51] <iMatter> oh is it better firmware or something?
[04:51] <calc> though the site appears to be dead :(
[04:51] <DanaG> just plain http://dd-wrt  or the .com?
[04:52] <calc> iMatter: yea much better than default firmware for the linksys routers (and various other ones based on broadcom, etc)
[04:52] <calc> DanaG: dd-wrt.com doesn't work for me
[04:52] <DanaG> Linksys now sucks; they cheapened out on the RAM.
[04:52] <calc> DanaG: dd-wrt.com is the url that should work, but it doesn't :(
[04:52] <bluefoxx> calc: will it work on a 2002 hdwr rev:c dlink di-624 wireless router?
[04:52] <calc> bluefoxx: no idea
[04:53] <calc> i have a linksys wrt54g which it works on
[04:53]  * bluefoxx loves using open source firmwarez just to stick it to the companies[less they actually support open source]
[04:53] <calc> well the reason it works on linksys is because linksys uses linux for their router
[04:54] <bluefoxx> i would go linksys[and will once i can afford to, turning my current one into a access point/switch/hub] but im sticking with the dlink di604 and di624 routers i got free
[04:54] <bluefoxx> for now
[04:55] <xcnd> I have recently installed my file server with Ubuntu 8.04 and am trying to access the HOME directories via my laptop with 8.04. I can "see" the "homes" folder in the SMB:// folder but I can't access them, can anyone help?
[04:56] <b4l74z4r> which application font size in ubuntu does most people use?
[04:56] <xcnd> b4l74z4r, default is set to 10, so I assume that.
[04:57]  * iMatter Java Lags me especially Frostwire
[04:57] <DanaG> Linksys doesn't use Linux any longer on the base models.
[04:57] <DanaG> They use VxWorks.
[04:57] <b4l74z4r> xcnd, i found 10 too big so i turned down to 8
[04:57] <akk> I would have guessed it's bigger than 10 here, but I don't know how to find out (gnome defaults are hidden so well)
[04:57] <DanaG> And they strip the memory down to "lame".
[05:00] <xcnd> Can anyone help with my SAMBA problem?
[05:02] <calc> hmm there is a 24rc7 of dd-wrt too bad the site is down i could use it
[05:02]  * calc hopes it fixes the ftp problem
[05:05]  * DanaG has a WHR-G125.
[05:06] <DanaG> And if I were to get another router, I'd probably import one from somewhere else just to spite that company that picked on Buffalo.
[05:06] <DanaG> If I were the courts, I would've said this:
[05:06] <DanaG> "Why are you suing just Buffalo?  If you want to sue ONE manufacturer for using WiFi, you must sue ALL of them!"  (Muhahahaha!)
[05:08] <nonix4> Darn... initrd creation doesn't handle raid6? :( Put one of them as part of the LVM setup, now it just hangs on boot waiting for that part of the LVM to appear although it isn't even trying to make it to... :(
[05:13] <xcnd> I'm trying to gain access to the home folders on an Ubuntu 8.04 server from an Ubuntu 8.04 laptop. I can see the "homes" folder but can't gain access to it, can anyone offer some help here?
[05:15] <iMatter> * Connecting to localhost (127.0.0.1) port 6667...
[05:15] <iMatter> * Connection failed. Error: Connection refused :/
[05:15] <iMatter> it just worked not 10 seconds ago..
[05:16] <bluefoxx> girr,...7 minutes for 11mb
[05:16] <bluefoxx> i hate my net connection
[05:20] <iMatter> bluefoxx: What you up to?
[05:21] <bluefoxx> iMatter: downloading varios junk. its my internet connection. high speed light. uggh. my grandfather refuses to upgrade tofull high speed for only $5 a month[including the ditching of modem rental]
[05:22] <calc> bluefoxx: so pay him for it? :)
[05:23] <iMatter> :P
[05:24] <bluefoxx> calc: i would, but no job and he gives me my allowance >. >
[05:25] <iMatter> LOL
[05:25] <iMatter> bluefoxx: Use your Allowance to pay :P
[05:25] <iMatter> as i used to say once it hits my hand its MINE!
[05:25] <iMatter> no indiana johnes givers
[05:26] <bluefoxx> iMatter: XD. maybe ill try that oncei replace my dying nvidia[damaged but not destroyed transistor]'
[05:27] <iMatter> :/
[05:28] <iMatter> im serious :P
[05:28] <iMatter> i used to snatch the money and run for dear life
[05:28] <iMatter> alas it was only 200$ back then
[05:29] <iMatter> thats about 85.5 Euros
[05:30] <Davo_Dinkum> ok, so ive dist-upgraded from dapper to hardy. i ran the hardware testing tool. is that all the bug reporting needed?
[05:31] <Davo_Dinkum> i'd like to report as many bugs as possible to help with LTS upgrades
[05:31] <jimmygoon> I still can't connect to certain FTP sites
[05:32] <iMatter> hardware test tool...
[05:32] <iMatter> Davo_Dinkum: Hardy also has a error detection and sending reports to devs tool called rapport i think when an error accours asks if you want to send to devs
[05:32] <Davo_Dinkum> ah ok
[05:35] <xcnd> Can _anyone_ help with SAMBA across two Ubuntu installs?
[05:54] <Patricio> hola
[05:54] <Patricio> hola
[05:54] <Patricio> hola
[05:55] <iMatter> it seems like my thinking light comes on WAAY more offen in linux than Windows :/
[05:55] <Patricio> hay alguien ally?
[05:55] <iMatter> almost anything that uses internet makes it think hard and long
[05:55] <iMatter> opening firefox is Killer
[05:55] <iMatter> takes 2mins
[05:56] <Patricio> mm
[05:56] <Patricio> hola
[05:57] <iMatter> like 30 seconds less without Compiz...
[05:57] <iMatter> i was like WHOAH 30 seconds
[05:57] <Patricio> alguien que hable espanol
[05:57] <bazhang> !es
[05:57] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[05:57] <Patricio> mmm
[05:58] <Hydrogen> do the lang channels do +1 support?
[05:59] <AutoMatriX> Hi folks, I'm having a lot of troubvle syncing myn mobile phone with my laptop ... to whon should I address the question to write an easy to configurate add-onn for Evolution ?
[06:03]  * AutoMatriX forgot to say that the sycnhro of Evolution/Nokiia should be via IR and not via BT or cable 
[06:04] <xShad0w> can someone link me to the default xorg.conf for hardy, i need to check something
[06:04] <xShad0w> or where to find it
[06:05] <Davo_Dinkum>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:06] <shirish> anybody knows what should I fill in localhost:631 for authentication?
[06:06] <shirish> I get this message
[06:06] <shirish>  A username and password are being requested by http://localhost:631. The site says: "CUPS"
[06:07] <Davo_Dinkum> try 'root' or 'admin'
[06:07] <xShad0w> Davo_Dinkum, i meant like an online version, i just need to see the default one that comes with hardy
[06:07] <akk> shirish: cups usually seems to want your user password, not root's (assuming you're a user who has group permissions for printing stuff)
[06:08] <Davo_Dinkum> !xorg
[06:08] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:09] <shirish> Davo_Dinkum: akk: thanx guys, it worked.
[06:09] <xShad0w> im actually having problems with the mouse, weird but i think its not setup correctly in xorg
[06:10] <HorizonXP> hey
[06:10] <HorizonXP> how do I test updates to see if they'll break my system or not?
[06:10] <jimiridge> dont think thats an option
[06:10] <HorizonXP> .... :(
[06:10] <DanaG> Argh, Wine and PulseAudio don't get along.
[06:11] <HorizonXP> have the recent updates broken anything?
[06:11] <jimiridge> i'm waiting till tomorrow night
[06:11] <jimiridge> end of patch tuesday
[06:11] <jimiridge> lots of updates after tues ussually
[06:11] <RAOF> DanaG: Yup.  I could have told you that :P
[06:12] <jimiridge> and if something breaks big time it might be just a few hours before another update fixes it
[06:12] <DanaG> And I can't make Wine use surround51:1.
[06:12] <DanaG> It instead gives this:
[06:12] <DanaG> DirectSoundCreate: ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback (winealsa.drv)
[06:12] <DanaG> DirectSound error: DirectSoundCreate DSERR_INVALIDPARAM: 80070057h
[06:13] <DanaG> Where the interface is the WRONG ONE!
[06:14] <sami> Hi! can anyone tell how to locate cause of hardy heron´s lockups, because i can´t find anything useful from dmesg and normal logs? I get very bad lockups when using some gnome programs, like gedit, update-manager etc..
[06:15] <DanaG> Anybody here use Wine with an emu10k1 card?
[06:25] <Davo_Dinkum> Why doesn't ctrl+alt+F1 work?
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Davo_Dinkum: umm... it does. Waht on earth do you really mean?
[06:28] <Davo_Dinkum> it doesnt switch to a console
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Yes it does - what  kernel are you running?
[06:28] <no0tic> it does pretty well here
[06:29] <thoreauputic> there was a framebuffer issue, but it's fixed now in hardy
[06:29] <Davo_Dinkum> ah
[06:29] <thoreauputic> also a fonts issue
[06:29] <dooglus> what's the package to get (sun) java working with firefox?
[06:29] <Davo_Dinkum> i have framebuffer on
[06:29] <no0tic> dooglus, sun-java6-plugin ^
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Davo_Dinkum: and which kernel verison? ( uname -r )
[06:30] <thoreauputic> *version
[06:30] <dooglus> no0tic: it doesn't contain anything but empty dirs and a symlink?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> dooglus: it's a metapackkage IIRC
[06:30] <Davo_Dinkum> 2.6.24-15-386
[06:30] <no0tic> Davo_Dinkum, try using -generic
[06:30] <dooglus> Depends: libasound2, libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, libxp6, libxtst6, sun-java6-bin (= 6-05-0ubuntu1), xulrunner-1.9
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Davo_Dinkum: then that's very odd - 2.6.24-15-386 works fine here
[06:31] <Davo_Dinkum> uname -generic ?
[06:31] <dooglus> thoreauputic: -15 won't boot here at all
[06:31] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I'm still on -14 as a result
[06:31] <no0tic> Davo_Dinkum, no linux-image-generic
[06:31] <thoreauputic> dooglus: oh dear :(
[06:31] <Davo_Dinkum> oh in the grub menu?
[06:31] <dooglus> thoreauputic: never mind - I don't suppose anything much really changed
[06:31] <thoreauputic> dooglus: must still be some unresolved hardware issues
[06:32] <no0tic> Davo_Dinkum, yes
[06:32] <Davo_Dinkum> oh so it's a grub boot line option. ok
[06:32] <no0tic> no, it's a different kernel build
[06:32] <thoreauputic> dooglus: install the sun jre as well as the plugin ifthe plugin doesn't pull it in
[06:33] <Davo_Dinkum> oh
[06:33] <Davo_Dinkum> anyone gotten icedtea working?
[06:33] <iMatter> Why does Firefox Use so much Ram?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> dooglus: but I think the -bin package in the depends grabs the jre too
[06:34] <iMatter> its using more ram than any proccess on my computer
[06:34] <RAOF> iMatter: Copious cache is a big part of it.
[06:35] <iMatter> is there a way to flush it?
[06:35] <iMatter> so it goes down
[06:35] <RAOF> Yup.  Fill up your RAM.
[06:35] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I had everything I needed installed - all I had to do was link /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/libjavaplugin.so into my plugins directory
[06:35] <akk> you can make the cache way smaller in edit->preferences
[06:35] <akk> or "clear cache now"
[06:35] <thoreauputic> dooglus: OK that's one way to do it I guess :) The hard way ;-)
[06:36] <Davo_Dinkum> i dont see a generic kernel to boot from
[06:36] <dooglus> thoreauputic: is there an easier way?
[06:36] <Davo_Dinkum> no0tic:
[06:37] <thoreauputic> Davo_Dinkum: you might need to install linux-generic
[06:37] <Davo_Dinkum> oh
[06:37] <shinynew> hello I recently updated and lost my wireless card
[06:37] <shinynew> doesn't show up in the restricted drivers nor network-admin
[06:37] <no0tic> Davo_Dinkum, install linux-image-generic or linux-generic as thoreauputic told you :)
[06:37] <ravingloonietic> hello all:is it possible to install nvidia 3d acceleration drivers on hardy? I heard that 2.6.24 kernel is not compatible with it
[06:37] <thoreauputic> dooglus: well, yes - you install the plugin from the repos and it Just Works ( at least it did here)
[06:37] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I was trying to get java working with the nightly firefox, not the ubuntu one
[06:38] <thoreauputic> dooglus: ah, I see - I didn't realise that
[06:38] <dooglus> thoreauputic: yeah, maybe I should have mentioned it
[06:38] <thoreauputic> heh :)
[06:39] <dooglus> thoreauputic: what's your initial reaction to this image?
[06:39] <dooglus> thoreauputic: http://synfig.org/images/6/64/MainBanner-06108-en.jpg
[06:39] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: I have it here working at 2100 fps in glxgears...
[06:40] <thoreauputic> dooglus: Freudian... ?
[06:40] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:40] <shinynew> anyone?
[06:40] <ravingloonietic> thorapeautic: 2100 fps? wow. I just have a geforce 2 mx that i tried to build the "Debian Way" wont work ...
[06:40] <xShad0w> as a macbook user would anyone recomend me not to install 64bit hardy, (drivers and such), theres many problems as it is and idk if adding 64bit will help
[06:40] <Davo_Dinkum> shinynew: run 'lspci -vvvv' as root and pastebin the outout
[06:40] <Davo_Dinkum> *output
[06:41] <thoreauputic> shinynew: you forgot afew details - like which card, what driver you were using that worked before etc...
[06:42] <shinynew> Davo_Dinkum: ok it showed up there ill paste the name: 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 02)
[06:42] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I hadn't seen it myself.  It was designed by a young Argentinian guy, who also didn't intend anything freudian.  I showed it to an Australian friend of mine and he just started laughing.
[06:42] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: this is a geForce 5700 something
[06:42] <Davo_Dinkum> and which ubuntu release you were using before
[06:42] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I wondered if you would see the same
[06:42] <shinynew> should i just look for a guide for that card?
[06:42] <thoreauputic> dooglus: oh yeah :)
[06:42] <ravingloonietic> thorapeautic: google is clueless for me on this one. Can you point to me the way? obwan kenobi you are my only hope
[06:42] <thoreauputic> !nvidia
[06:42] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:43] <Davo_Dinkum> !Broadcom
[06:43] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[06:43] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: I just clicked the dialogue to enable the driver and it worked *shrug*
[06:43] <Davo_Dinkum> !Broadcom shinynew
[06:43] <iMatter> Opera Pages dont show much for a site in firefox thats brown and multicolored its just white with buttons...
[06:43] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: well, after a reboot anyway
[06:43] <Davo_Dinkum> shinynew:
[06:43] <ravingloonietic> thorapeautic: ok may the force be with you
[06:43] <iMatter> same for google
[06:43] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: I think just a restart of X would have been enough though
[06:44] <ravingloonietic> thorapeautic: ok thanks. The force is strong in you
[06:44] <HorizonXP> hey
[06:44] <HorizonXP> really annoying issue I have right now
[06:45] <HorizonXP> seems every time I shut down, my external hdd's auto-mounted directory doesn't get removed
[06:45] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: System -Admin - Hardware Drivers - enable the nvidia driver
[06:45] <HorizonXP> \/media/My Book
[06:45] <HorizonXP> so then when I turn my computer back on, it gets mounted as /media/My Book_
[06:45] <RAOF> HorizonXP: There's a bug report and thread in ubuntuforums.org about that :)
[06:45] <HorizonXP> which throws off all of the references to things
[06:45] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: In theory that works :) In practice on another box I hd to fiddle around in xorg.conf
[06:46] <HorizonXP> ah ok RAOF
[06:46] <HorizonXP> thanks, can you point me to it? maybe there's a workaround
[06:46] <RAOF> There is.  Let me hunt the link.
[06:47] <ravingloonietic> thoreauputic: i see it. i wish i could do the same for my debian though... thanks a lot will restart after i click that... its that simple in kubuntu - wow. Debian needs this. Im getting tired of compiling and compiling
[06:48] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: Good luck - hope it works for you
[06:48] <ravingloonietic> thoreauputic: ok thanks man will restart now
[06:49] <RAOF> HorizonXP: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=744469
[06:54] <HorizonXP> thanks RAOF: there's a temporary fix, but the bug hasn't been solved.
[06:54] <RAOF> HorizonXP: Yup.  You were after a workaround, right?
[06:54] <HorizonXP> yeah, for now
[06:54] <HorizonXP> obviously I'd like to see it fixed
[06:54] <HorizonXP> probably will be by release
[06:55] <HorizonXP> so excited for release
[06:55] <HorizonXP> my GF has agreed to give Ubuntu a shot :)
[07:05] <iMatter> WHen i load java applets
[07:05] <iMatter> its just a grey box..
[07:07] <iMatter> HorizonXP: Make sure you put two bullets in if you know what i mean
[07:07] <iMatter> nothing bad so just in case she runs into trouble she can still give it another shot
[07:07] <len_> ati's fglrx driver is causing my system to hang on shutdown/reboot.  Does anyone have a workaround?  An option to add to the driver section of xorg.conf or something?  I can shutdown/reboot normally with the ati driver.
[07:08] <HorizonXP> iMatter: lol
[07:08] <iMatter> :P
[07:09] <len_> I'm using a new AMD 780 chipset motherboard.
[07:09] <iMatter> It seems anything that messes with networking
[07:09] <iMatter> makes my computer think hard...
[07:09] <iMatter> i cant wait for my MBP to get here..
[07:09] <savvas> hey iMatter
[07:10] <savvas> what did you do eventually? :)
[07:10] <iMatter> Hey...
[07:10] <iMatter> dpkg-reconfig -a didnt work...
[07:10] <iMatter> but i guess ill just live with it
[07:10] <iMatter> 2hrs of answering questions FTL
[07:10] <savvas> what about the recovery boot and check the internet and follow the rest of the guide? :P
[07:11]  * iMatter coughs uh err what?
[07:11] <iMatter> ;P
[07:11] <HorizonXP> hey
[07:11] <HorizonXP> you guys wouldn't know of an intel-based motherboard for core2 duo that supports 2 DVI outputs?
[07:12] <HorizonXP> I want an intel board with intel graphics for ubuntu of course.... and I run 2 LCDs....
[07:12] <savvas> HorizonXP: if no one replies, google this: +intel +motherboard +"2 dvi"
[07:13] <iMatter> savvas: Do (N) Technology work with Ubuntu?
[07:13] <savvas> iMatter: remember i suggested that if dpkg didn't work, you could boot to a kernel recovery from grub, then do this: sudo aptitude update ..if it worked, to follow the rest of the command guide i gave ya
[07:13] <iMatter> the ones on MBP?
[07:13] <len_> Anyone here using the fglrx driver?
[07:13] <iMatter> me...
[07:14] <savvas> ouch
[07:14] <savvas> :P
[07:14] <iMatter> lol...what i said
[07:14] <savvas> no idea iMatter
[07:14]  * iMatter Needs to go to sleep ;P
[07:14] <iMatter> you get up i go to sleep
[07:14] <dooglus> is anyone using firefox 3.0?
[07:14] <iMatter> you go to sleep i get up
[07:14] <iMatter> me
[07:14] <iMatter> dooglus: Me
[07:15] <dooglus> I find that since upgrading to hardy, lots of pictures don't show properly, unless I zoom to exactly 100%
[07:15] <HorizonXP> savvas: no dice on that google
[07:15] <dooglus> zooming in or out corrupts them
[07:15] <iMatter> it could be something to do with your video card?
[07:15] <iMatter> savvas: Do you agree?
[07:16] <iMatter> since hardy i cant use Java Applets (With Moving Pictures) with compiz enabled -.-
[07:16] <savvas> HorizonXP: you want a motherboard with an integrated graphics card and dual dvi?
[07:16] <iMatter> i thought the new Xorg was sopposed to fix ALOT of things?
[07:17] <savvas> iMatter: no idea on that too, i use nvidia :)
[07:17] <iMatter> ill BBWL
[07:17] <HorizonXP> savvas: yes. seems like the two are mutually exclusive
[07:17] <savvas> nighty heh
[07:17] <dooglus> iMatter: I see things like this: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/firefox-pic-bug.png
[07:17] <iMatter> savvas: Be Back WAAAAY Later
[07:17] <dooglus> iMatter: the picture is offset from where it's supposed to be
[07:17] <iMatter> ok ill stay a few more
[07:17] <iMatter> to see
[07:18] <iMatter> dooglus: Hmm I loaded same exact site and i didnt get that :/
[07:18] <iMatter> Is Compiz Enabled?
[07:18] <dooglus> iMatter: no, I don't use it
[07:18] <iMatter> it also could be the version of the FF3 Package you have
[07:18] <dooglus> iMatter: try zooming in or out?
[07:19] <iMatter> what version is that
[07:19] <dooglus> iMatter: that's minefield (the nightly) but the ubuntu package does the same
[07:19] <iMatter> On my Firefox it usualy has - Mozzila Firefox 3 Beta X
[07:20] <iMatter> after the page title
[07:20] <iMatter> Try getting B4 or B5 thats the ones ive been using and then tell savvas to forward a message to me and ill help tommrow..
[07:20] <savvas> HorizonXP: there's an adapter called "ADD2 Card" http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel915g/sb/cs-013296.htm
[07:20] <iMatter> been up for about 12hrs...
[07:20] <iMatter> must...sleep
[07:21] <savvas> later i ;)
[07:21] <dooglus> here's the ubuntu one: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/firefox-pic-bug2.png
[07:21] <savvas> dooglus: try to hold shift and press the reload button
[07:21] <dooglus> on a new profile, on the default page, zoomed out a little
[07:22] <dooglus> savvas: zooming to 100% fixes it - but zooming in or out moves the image to the wrong place.
[07:22] <savvas> ah
[07:22] <savvas> hold a sec
[07:23] <dooglus> savvas: ah - I have a non-stanard DPI setting - could that be it?
[07:23] <iMatter> dooglus: Sorry
[07:24] <dooglus> :)
[07:24] <savvas> dooglus: go to about:config
[07:24] <savvas> disable the image zoom, set "browser.zoom.full" to false
[07:24] <dooglus> ok
[07:24] <dooglus> lol
[07:24] <dooglus> nice!  "This might void your warranty!"
[07:25] <dooglus> that's a ubuntu customization, right?
[07:25] <savvas> no idea :P
[07:25] <dooglus> I wonder if an evil lawyer could twist that to mean that there is a warrantee from ubuntu if I don't proceed?
[07:25] <dooglus> I'd recommend against this "void your warranty" joke just in case
[07:26] <dooglus> savvas: now I can't zoom images at all!
[07:26] <dooglus> (only the text changes size, not the boxes it has to fit into)
[07:27] <dooglus> I have a package called "mozilla-imagezoom" installed.  I wonder if that's the problem
[07:27] <savvas> dooglus: that was the point :p
[07:27] <savvas> I never really required images to zoom in
[07:28] <savvas> since most of them are not svg and can't zoom in without losing quality
[07:28] <savvas> "4. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY. THE PRODUCT IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITH ALL
[07:28] <savvas> FAULTS."
[07:28] <savvas> about mozilla firefox ;p
[07:29] <dooglus> savvas: the problem is that lots of pages try to fit text into a fixed-size box.  if you zoom the text without zooming the box, you can't read the text that doesn't fit
[07:29] <DanaG> "resizable textbox"
[07:29] <DanaG> REALLY REALLY handy.
[07:29] <DanaG> s/box/area/
[07:29] <dooglus> I don't mean text editing boxes, like forms; I mean people using CSS with fixed sizes - it's everywhere
[07:30] <dooglus> ok, it seems it was mozilla-imagezoom causing the problem
[07:30] <savvas> heh
[07:30] <dooglus> can anyone confirm that installing it breaks image zooming in ff3?
[07:31] <savvas> what does imagezoom do?
[07:31] <dooglus> it lets you zoom an image in or out in place
[07:31] <dooglus> point at an image and mouse-wheel up and down to zoom that image in or out
[07:32] <savvas> ah each one?
[07:33] <dooglus> yeah, it lets you zoom images individually
[07:34] <dooglus> I wasn't using it - I just had it installed and was Ctrl-+'ing to zoom the page in
[07:34] <dooglus> I'll report a bug, wait a couple of years, then watch it be closed because it's out of date :)
[07:36] <savvas> dooglus: which image were you trying to zoom? the background?
[07:37] <dooglus> I wasn't using it - I just had it installed and was Ctrl-+'ing to zoom the page in
[07:38] <savvas> well mine works
[07:39] <Terrasque> flash use an insane amount of cpu :( To the point where, when viewing certain pages, it use 100% cpu on animating the ads, and won't render the rest of the page
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Terrasque: flash is a blight on the Internet. Install Flashbock .
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Or just don't install flash :) But there are some godd things we would miss without it, sadly.
[07:41] <Terrasque> thoreauputic: While I agree, the final user of the machine will not be me, so adblocking / flashblock / avoiding flash might not be an option
[07:41] <thoreauputic> I see
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Well, flashblock allows you to view what you want to see at least
[07:42] <Terrasque> yes
[07:42] <savvas> Terrasque: you're using hardy?
[07:42] <DanaG> Flash is cpu-rapeagey.
[07:42] <DanaG> Even on OS X, in fact.
[07:42] <thoreauputic> I wish trackerd wouldn't randomly decide to use 90% of my CPU though :)
[07:42] <Terrasque> renicing the flash process to 19 would be fun too :p not sure if it can be done without affecting the browaser
[07:42] <DanaG> Perhaps even on Windows.
[07:43] <Terrasque> savvas: yes
[07:43] <thoreauputic> Terrasque: I think flash would fall over if you reniced it to 19 :)
[07:43] <savvas> Terrasque: it's still not meant for an end user, and it's probably an adobe flash problem
[07:44] <ravingloonietic> well i am back thoreauputic
[07:44] <savvas> Terrasque: what processor / ram are we talking about here?
[07:44] <Terrasque> savvas: i know, and .. I know :p
[07:44] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: any luck?
[07:44] <ravingloonietic> thoreauputic: screen resolution turned to 640xsomething
[07:44] <Terrasque> savvas: 1g ram, but cpu is craptastic. celly 1.6 ghz
[07:44] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: hmm
[07:44] <dwidmann> umm,, darn, my xf86audionext key is going crazy ... it's acting as if i'm holding it in when i'm obviously not touching it .... seems i can't use any meta keys either for the time being. anything i can do to fix it besides restarting x/
[07:45] <Terrasque> savvas: hardy itself runs like greased lightning tho, its just that flash kinda kills the machine
[07:45] <ravingloonietic> i guess i have to wait til 2.6.24 gets it fixed.
[07:45] <savvas> Terrasque: have you tried purging and installing again? sudo aptitude purge flashplugin-nonfree; sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[07:46] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: as I said earlier, seems to Work For Me (tm) - but that doesn't help you I know
[07:46] <Terrasque> the best alternative would be death sentence for making annoying flash ads, of course. One could hope..
[07:46] <dooglus> ugh
[07:46] <dooglus> now the bottom 70% of my screen has gone grey
[07:47] <dooglus> only the top 30% is working
[07:47] <ravingloonietic> thoreauputic: the buttons turned ginormous, I could live with 800x600 but not 640xsomething. Guess that's the downside for everything new and shiny
[07:47] <thoreauputic> Terrasque: a slow and painful death for those who write *whole sites* in Flash
[07:47] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: have you tried  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[07:47] <Terrasque> savvas: not yet. But I installed flash on sunday, so it should be up-to-date. But going to reinstall the machine when hardy final comes
[07:48] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: If you specify according to your monitor manual it might help ?
[07:48] <dooglus> any idea how I can fix it?
[07:48] <ravingloonietic> thoreauputic: i only tried clicking the radio button to enable the proprietary drivers - that is a good idea though. Automatic and manual  approaches. I will do that next. Thanks!
[07:48] <Terrasque> thoreauputic: now you're talking :)
[07:48] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: worth a shot :)
[07:49] <savvas> Terrasque: i didn't say if it's up to date, maybe a purge&install will fix it
[07:49] <ravingloonietic> thoreauputic: right. Will brb. Thanks again!
[07:49] <dooglus> touching the screen about halfway down on the left fixes it until I stop touching it
[07:50] <Terrasque> savvas: yeah :) At work now, so can't test for a while.
[07:50] <savvas> ok ;p
[07:50] <Terrasque> I was just hoping someone had a good trick for the issue :)
[07:52] <HorizonXP> savvas: thanks for that link, I'll look into it!
[07:53] <_sidd> Really weird problem since upgrading to Hardy.
[07:53] <mkoga> hi, i'm have an ati card and my external screen has an annoying flicker, does this sound like a refresh rate issue?
[07:54] <mkoga> it seems to be stuck on 60Hz
[07:54] <_sidd> If I have two windows open, and close one of them, then the focus switches to the second window, but the "keyboard focus" doesn't switch.
[07:54] <_sidd> Typing anything, has no effect in the second window.
[07:55] <_sidd> Even if I click inside that window, the keyboard has no effect. The only way to switch the "keyboard focus" is to click on the title-bar of the window.
[07:56] <Fritzel> if I'm trying to watch some streaming videos online what are my best plugin choices for kde4 kubuntu?
[07:56] <Fritzel> hardy
[07:56] <_sidd> Anyone seen this weird behavior?
[07:59] <gluer> any way to set the bottom status bar to the left or right and make it smaller?
[07:59] <gluer> it interferes with my docking
[08:04] <Filled-Void> Hi all If I have a Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon system  and wanted to upgrade to Hardy Heron . How big of a download am I looking forward too. I wanted to know if I should probably wait till I get a DVD copy from my friend.
[08:05] <dooglus> gluer: right-click in empty space and uncheck 'expand'
[08:05] <dooglus> Filled-Void: hundreds of megabytes
[08:05] <scheater5> I have weirdness with vnc between ubuntu and OSX.  I think the problem is some configuration in OSX, but this is the best place I know to ask - anyone know their way around vnc?
[08:06] <Filled-Void> dooglus, Thanks I guess Ill wait. I have quite a fewpackages so Im thinking that for me its probably going to come near a GB?
[08:06] <BonezAU> Hi, I did some upgrades last night with synaptic and now when I boot up my system and log on to gnome, the splash screen comes up while things are loading then everything goes to black. I can still see the mouse pointer but not my desktop. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks
[08:08] <dooglus> Filled-Void: I don't remember how big it was for me exactly, but it was in the hundreds of MB
[08:08] <dooglus> Filled-Void: also, it didn't work, and left my system in a bit of a mess, so it's probably better to wait until the release
[08:08] <Filled-Void> dooglus, thanks :)
[08:09] <Filled-Void> dooglus, Will do
[08:09] <jimiridge> hm
[08:11] <scheater5> no one knows a thing or two about screen sharing?
[08:13] <ravingloonietic> thoreauputic: back again
[08:13] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: any better?
[08:14] <ravingloonietic> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg just let me configure my keyboard settings. weird. nothing realted whatsoever to graphics
[08:14] <ravingloonietic> *related
[08:15] <thoreauputic> ravingloonietic: hmm usually it has a section for setting horiz and vert synch - but I guess that is really for CRT monitors
[08:15] <thoreauputic> I have a CRT here :)
[08:16] <ravingloonietic> - i am using a CRT monitor. - what is weird is I have tried those same exact steps in debian (i have a quadruple boot setup) and the options and dialogs are fairly different
[08:16] <ravingloonietic> ...when i run the same command
[08:17] <RAOF> ravingloonietic: You'd be not using Debian Experimental, then :)
[08:17] <BonezAU> Hi, I did some upgrades last night with synaptic and now when I boot up my system and log on to gnome, the splash screen comes up while things are loading then everything goes to black. I can still see the mouse pointer but not my desktop. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks
[08:18] <RAOF> ravingloonietic: I'm not sure if the X server setup we're using has migrated from Experimental to Sid yet.
[08:18] <ravingloonietic> RAOF: I can't. My ultimate goal is to upgrade to lenny with a kernel 2.6.24 very similar to kubuntu hardy
[08:18] <shinynew> hey, If I know I have a wireless card and I know what it is how should i go about makeing it show up as wlan0 or eth1 or whatever
[08:18] <RAOF> ravingloonietic: Right.  So, since our X server is based on debian experimental packages, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will have very different questions ;)
[08:18] <shinynew> its here, it but only lo and eth0 are showing
[08:19] <ravingloonietic> oh, so when you say "our" you mean to say kubuntu right?
[08:20] <RAOF> ravingloonietic: Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, whatever.  They all share the same X :)
[08:22] <ravingloonietic> RAOF: thanks RAOF. Anyway, I've been trying to fix this same issue with my Lenny install and it seems that the Nvidia drivers for my old card (Geforce2) are not compatible to kernel 2.6.24. I was almost ecstatic when I tried to install Hardy and saw that there is a one click option here to install the Nvidia proprietary cards - but the problem is the screen resolution is too low - think 640xsomething
[08:22] <shinynew> can anyone point me in the right direction?
[08:23] <mrtimdog> Is setting CONCURRENCY=shell in /etc/init.d/rc likely to break anything? Bug #149881 say's it's been fixed but thought I'd see if anyone else's any experience with setting it?
[08:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149881 in hal "HAL fails to initialise when /etc/init.d/rc sets CONCURRENCY=shell" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149881
[08:23] <RAOF> ravingloonietic: Your nvidia drivers are probably installed, but failing, and we fallback to VESA in that case :)
[08:23] <_sidd> Anyone using synergy?
[08:23] <ravingloonietic> RAOF: exactly the case.
[08:25] <ravingloonietic> RAOF: However, on my etch installation it seems to be working fine via the debian way, automatix or envy. The problem starts when I upgrade
[08:25] <RAOF> ravingloonietic: Yay proprietary drivers!
[08:25] <ravingloonietic> RAOF: lol yeah
[08:25] <savvas> yikes, "Need to get 71.8MB of archives" :)
[08:26] <shinynew> can anyone point me in the right direction?
[08:26] <dooglus> shinynew: -->
[08:26] <ravingloonietic> RAOF: development of a free driver with 3d acceleration seems to have stopped.
[08:27] <RAOF> ravingloonietic: No, it's well underway.
[08:27] <ravingloonietic> RAOF: we are speaking of nouveau right? http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[08:27] <shinynew> dooglus: thx
[08:27] <RAOF> ravingloonietic: Your card just sucks, making it difficult to do with the new gallium infrastructure.
[08:27] <shinynew> dooglus: wait there is nothing on that desktop
[08:27] <ravingloonietic> RAOF: lol yeah had it since 1999
[08:28] <ravingloonietic> RAOF: or 2000ish
[08:28] <RAOF> ravingloonietic: But you _should_ have fast 2d on your card, and I think there's some 3d support in the nouveau gallium branch right now.
[08:28] <ravingloonietic> RAOF: cant run nexuiz on a fast 2d card ;)
[08:29] <RAOF> ravingloonietic: Test how well nouveau's nv10 3d support is going along, then :P
[08:29] <savvas> worst excuse ever :p
[08:29] <savvas> does nouveau support nvidia 7 and 8 series ?
[08:30] <RAOF> savvas: 7 series very, very well (better than the blob for 2d, fast OpenArena for 3d).
[08:30] <savvas> great we might see it in intrepid then? :)
[08:30] <RAOF> savvas: The 8 series is totally different in almost every way to all previous nvidia cards, and they're not so well supported (but are getting a lot of development right now).
[08:31] <gatestone> I just wonder...has anyone attempted to start a distribution based on Webmin?
[08:31] <thoreauputic> When will intrepid backports be on line?
[08:31] <savvas> thanks for the info
[08:31]  * thoreauputic runs away laughing
[08:32] <RAOF> savvas: With a 7 series (henceforth referred to as nv4x), you won't be playing WoW (yet), and you won't get _any_ tech-support for gallium, but 3d will work pretty quickly for things which aren't too demanding of features.
[08:32] <thoreauputic> gatestone: I devoutly hope not
[08:33] <dooglus> I made a video of how my laptop display breaks in hardy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojF-Mq9gqkA
[08:33] <shinynew> fuck yall I am going to #linux
[08:33] <dooglus> any idea how to fix that?
[08:34] <dooglus> shinynew: ##linux ?
[08:34] <ravingloonietic> dooglus: lollll
[08:35] <thoreauputic> shinynew: you might get a push if you don't go after that outburst :)
[08:35] <fluteflute> why are some channels ##name rather than #name ?
[08:36] <dooglus> ravingloonietic: is it teh proprietary driverz?
[08:36] <savvas> fluteflute: flood/bot prevention probably
[08:36] <dooglus> ravingloonietic: I think they've fglrxed up my monitor
[08:36] <ravingloonietic> dooglus: lol
[08:37] <fluteflute> savvas: oh ok thanks
[08:37] <ravingloonietic> dooglus: big buttons? and missing OK buttons?
[08:37] <dooglus> it's annoying having to type in the top 5 lines of the screen
[08:37] <dooglus> ravingloonietic: huh?
[08:37] <ravingloonietic> dooglus: we are confusing ourselves. nvm
[08:37] <dooglus> ravingloonietic: j00 watch the video er wot?
[08:38] <dooglus> I made a video of how my laptop display breaks in hardy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojF-Mq9gqkA
[08:40] <ravingloonietic> dooglus: can't watch it barely installed anything yet on hardy - still trying to fix video card to get my glest, nexuiz and tremulous fix
[08:41] <ravingloonietic> dooglus: my ff3 browser still looks like its from kde2 or something...
[08:41] <ravingloonietic> dooglus: maybe windows 95
[08:41] <starscalling> rawr
[08:41] <starscalling> any fix for compiz?
[08:44] <dooglus> ravingloonietic: I don't follow.  what do you mean, looks like from kde2?
[08:44] <no0tic> ravingloonietic, install gtk-qt-engine
[08:44] <WGGMk> I havent been able to change the usplash screen successfully since Gutsy. In Hardy Heron, when shutting down the splash screen is extremely pixilated the entire way down the screen. Any thoughts
[08:45] <ravingloonietic> noOtic: thanks! However I highly doubt that there is a gtk-qt theme that looks as *SEXY* as KDE 4 at the moment
[08:46] <no0tic> ravingloonietic, gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[08:46] <no0tic> ravingloonietic, for a kde4ish look
[08:47] <ravingloonietic> noOtic: will do, wow. I didn't know it had that
[08:51] <starscalling> ah
[08:51] <starscalling> fixed teh compiz
[08:51] <starscalling> :>
[08:53] <ravingloonietic> :)
[09:04] <Jordan_U> Why is suspend / hibernate disabled with a wubi install, is there no swap file created in place of a swap partition? Anyone who uses Wubi willing to check?
[09:06] <Terrasque> Regarding compiz, anyone have an overview of the default hardy keyboard shortcuts for compiz effects?
[09:08] <Jordan_U> Terrasque, You can just install ccsm and check
[09:08] <Terrasque> good point
[09:10] <Jordan_U> Why is suspend / hibernate disabled with a wubi install, is there no swap file created in place of a swap partition? Anyone who uses Wubi willing to check?
[09:12] <preston> anyone else here having trouble with youtube flash videos
[09:12] <xorAxAx> hi, i am feeling offeneded by the kernel thread names and would like to see this patch in the kernel: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/4/1/397
[09:12] <Terrasque> preston: yeah, theres never any good content on them :<
[09:12] <xorAxAx> i guess most of us are gnome users who would agree
[09:13] <preston> terrasque what about mst3k
[09:14] <Terrasque> xorAxAx: you're 8 days late
[09:14] <preston> and we cant forget lolcats now can we
[09:14] <xorAxAx> Terrasque: so? :)
[09:15] <Terrasque> preston: well, exactly
[09:16] <preston> oh man seeing that cat ride a bicycle just never gets old
[09:17] <Jordan_U> preston, I can has old meme?
[09:17] <preston> so old its now cool again
[09:18] <Terrasque> pah, the only one thats allowed a comeback is allyourbase
[09:18] <elkbuntu> cats doing anything other than streaming data should be discussed in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:21] <preston> seriously though ive been using the beta and notice some freezeups with firefox and sudden shutdowns and was wondering if anyone else has had this happen?
[09:21] <MrMist> Hey guys
[09:21] <preston> with flash video on youtube btw
[09:21] <MrMist> There's a feature I'd REALLY really like in the new ubuntu
[09:21] <Jordan_U> Why is suspend / hibernate disabled with a wubi install, is there no swap file created in place of a swap partition? Anyone who uses Wubi willing to check?
[09:21] <MrMist> antialiasing of fonts has been a hassle for a while now
[09:21] <MrMist> sorry... that's antialiasing of fonts in eMacs
[09:21] <Jordan_U> MrMist, In what way?
[09:22] <MrMist> it makes eMacs SO much nicer to use as a tool
[09:25] <MrMist> during compilation, it has to be built with the flag "--width-xft=yes"
[09:25] <ravingloonietic> noOtic: ok firefox looks as sexy as kde 4 now thanks
[09:25] <no0tic> ravingloonietic, you're welcome
[09:25] <ravingloonietic> noOtic: :)
[09:29] <MrMist> Jordan_U: Woudln't it be easy to just make a new deb having the "--with-xft=yes" to the default parameters in the "config"-script to emacs22-gtk ?
[09:30] <MrMist> Jordan_U: argh... it's based on emacs-snapshot
[09:30] <MrMist> a branch of the ordinary emacs
[09:30] <MrMist> but it looks soooo much nicer
[09:48] <Mai1> Hello there. I installed the beta yesterday and am having trouble finding the options for the new multi-monitor support. So far, one of my screens still shows garbage. Could anyone help me with that?
[09:58] <Ng> Mai1: it should all be in System->Preferences->Screen Resolution
[10:04] <Mai1> Ng: I only see one monitor there though
[10:05] <Mai1> displayconfig-gtk shows me both, but fails to set up the second monitor properly
[10:08] <Ng> Mai1: hmm, I thought displayconfig-gtk was being deprecated for causing too many problems.
[10:08] <Ng> Mai1: the screen resolution tool not seeing your second monitor is a bug. what kind of graphics card?
[10:08] <MrMist> Why do I still have to recompile emacs to get antialiasing ?
[10:08] <MrMist> http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/XftGnuEmacs#toc3
[10:08] <savvas> displayconfig-gtk actually configured my monitor successfully
[10:09] <Maik_> Ng: (from laptop now) It's a NVidia 4200
[10:09] <KrimZon> ubuntu is still killing my hard drive :(
[10:09] <Ng> Maik_: have you tried using nvidia-settings?
[10:09] <Ng> KrimZon: are you sure? :)
[10:09] <Maik_> Ng: I'm trying to work without the nvidia driver.
[10:10] <Maik_> Ng: I tried that before coming here, gave me even more trouble. White window bugs and a freeze.
[10:10] <Ng> Maik_: oh right. hrm, I'm not sure if the nv driver supports the xrandr stuff necessary for the Screen Resolution tool to work :/
[10:10] <Maik_> Ng: So I would need to try to get the nvidia driver working, eh?
[10:11] <savvas> Maik_: white window bugs could probably be because you have compiz enabled?
[10:11] <Maik_> savvas: That's true, I forgot. Not used to it being enabled automagically
[10:11] <KrimZon> well, i've had 10 load cycles since i complained
[10:11] <Ng> Maik_: possibly, but it's such a long time since I used an nvidia card that I'm not up-to-date on the situation with the drivers, sorry
[10:11] <savvas> without the nvidia driver you won't achieve much of those fancy moves though ;)
[10:12] <Ng> KrimZon: what are the value, worst and thresh figures for the load cycle count?
[10:12] <Maik_> savvas: I'd be happy if I could get decent multi-monitor. It's the only thing keeping me on windows for my workstation.
[10:13] <KrimZon> ng: 90 90 0
[10:13] <MrMist> How about unicode support in emacs ?
[10:13] <Ng> KrimZon: so you still have 90% of the estimated life of the head parking left. how old is the laptop?
[10:13] <savvas> Maik_: --twinview and --screen=0 or --screen=1 could do the trick: nvidia --help; nvidia -A
[10:14] <Ng> KrimZon: s/laptop/machine/
[10:14] <MrMist> unicode + xft support
[10:14] <MrMist> !?
[10:14] <savvas> wops
[10:14] <MrMist> emacs with unicode and xft
[10:14] <savvas> Maik_: i meant nvidia-xconfig :)
[10:14] <Maik_> savvas: Okay, I'll try once I enabled the driver
[10:14] <savvas> ok
[10:15] <KrimZon> 5 months or so
[10:16] <Maik_> savvas: Hrmph. The Hardware Drivers thing can't enable it, doesn't even give me an error message though
[10:16] <Flannel> KrimZon: So, disable or reduce it.
[10:16] <Maik_> savves: But after I tried enabling it, I get a popup telling me I need to restart. I do that, then same story.
[10:16] <KrimZon> Flannel: i thought i had but an update must've changed it
[10:16] <NET||abuse> Hey guys.. what's the chances of packaging adobe air as a deb? :)
[10:16] <Ng> NET||abuse: that would depend on its licence, presumably
[10:17] <Flannel> KrimZon: If you just did a hdparm command, that only works until you reboot
[10:17] <fotoflo> hey, has anyone used ClickHeat or anything like that?
[10:17] <KrimZon> i did something with scripts in init.d or wherever it was
[10:17] <Ng> MrMist: maybe file a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emacs22/+filebug
[10:17] <xx0xx> who gonna help me to configure dns?
[10:17]  * xx0xx is newbie with it
[10:18] <KrimZon> i've only had ubuntu running since february too
[10:18] <savvas> Maik_: ok hold a sec, let's see the whole story here
[10:18] <savvas> Maik_: you upgraded from gutsy to hardy?
[10:19] <Ng> KrimZon: it's worth remembering that ubuntu doesn't touch your BIOS/disk's own power management settings, so if it proceeds as it is now with the settings in your hardware, it should have over 4 years of life. To some extent the usage pattern of the system will have an effect. You may wish to disable power management on the drive (I would recommend strongly against that), or try enabling laptop mode so when you're on battery the disk will stay spun down f
[10:19] <Maik_> savvas: I installed from the 8.04 beta AMD64 iso. I did a partial dist upgrade b/c the update manager advised me to.
[10:19] <savvas> Maik_: you used the alternate install then?
[10:20] <xx0xx> is anyone has idea with configuring dns?
[10:20] <Maik_> savvas: Then I tried setting multimonitor. Didn't work. Then I enabled the Nvidia driver, got the white window bugs and a maybe unrelated freeze. And now I can't enable them again
[10:20] <Maik_> savvas: Nope, I used the desktop iso
[10:20] <savvas> Maik_: ok, what was the nvidia graphics card model again?
[10:20] <KrimZon> how do i enable laptop mode?
[10:21] <Maik_> savvas: Geforce Ti 4200
[10:21] <Ng> KrimZon: in /etc/default/acpi-support. Also it would be worth checking in your BIOS to see what its power saving settings are
[10:21] <KrimZon> and how do i reenable apm?
[10:21] <DistroJockey> xx0xx: I assume you need to edit  /etc/resolv.conf
[10:21] <savvas> Maik_: GeForce4 Ti 4200 ?
[10:21] <Ng> KrimZon: why do you want apm?
[10:21] <Maik_> savvas: I think that's what you call it, yes. It's kinda old, I know
[10:21] <xx0xx> DistroJockey http://www.debuntu.org/2006/08/05/85-how-to-setting-up-a-dns-zone-with-bind9
[10:21] <KrimZon> it is a laptop
[10:21] <alex__> Hello I have a problem with updating Hardy
[10:22] <xx0xx> i am bid confused with it
[10:22] <alex__> I get "error on comiting change"
[10:22] <Ng> KrimZon: apm is old, you shouldn't need it anymore. acpi is used for power management these days
[10:22] <KrimZon> er... reenable power management
[10:22] <xx0xx> bit*
[10:22] <alex__> can anyone help?
[10:22] <DistroJockey> xx0xx: ahh, not done that before
[10:22] <savvas> Maik_: ok, that model should use the nvidia-glx package, we'll see about that, but first do this: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -f install
[10:23] <KrimZon> what units are spindown_time in?
[10:23] <xx0xx> DistroJockey ok
[10:23] <xx0xx> HELPPPPPPPP ME SOMEONE WITH DNS
[10:23] <xx0xx> lol
[10:23] <xx0xx> nvm
[10:23] <Maik_> savvas: I'll switch back to my workstation for IRCing. One sec
[10:23] <savvas> Maik_: ok, and as a footnote, next time you want to upgrade a distribution, use the alternate iso :)
[10:23] <alex__> Hello can anyone help with Hardy updates?
[10:24] <Ng> KrimZon: multiples of 5 seconds
[10:24] <Ng> KrimZon: unless you have a value over 241 in which case it is multiples of 30 minutes. see the -S option in the hdparm manpage
[10:24] <KrimZon> is it the period of inactivity needed to spin the disk down?
[10:24] <Ng> yes
[10:25] <KrimZon> it's already set to one minute
[10:25] <Ng> KrimZon: well, that's the period of inactivity that ubuntu will wait for before spinning down the drive - your bios/drive may decide to do it earlier (and probably will, I would guess)
[10:26] <Mai1> savvas: I queried you to not spam this channel
[10:26] <alex__>  Hi please could u help me or direct me where i could get some help regarding updates on Hardy?
[10:26] <savvas> Mai1: you have to register to send private /msgs on freenode :\
[10:27] <savvas> alex__: you're in the right channel
[10:27] <Ng> alex__: how did you run the upgrade?
[10:27] <KrimZon> ng: what's "hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda" actually doing?
[10:27] <xx0xx> how to install webmin ?
[10:27] <alex__> using adept
[10:27] <alex__> i get this error: There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[10:27] <KrimZon> is it altering a setting with the drive, the bios or ubuntu?
[10:27] <Maik_> savvas: Ok, give me a sec
[10:28] <Ng> KrimZon: it's telling the drive to disable its powermanagent. probably. not all drives do that with 254, some need 253, some ignore it all together.
[10:28] <cpk1> xx0xx: ubuntu is replacing webmin with something else but its name is currently escaping me =P
[10:28] <Ng> KrimZon: but I really don't think it's a good idea, it means the drive will stop (for example) trying not to overheat, it'll just run at full power the whole time
[10:28] <KrimZon> i havent had any more load cycles since i did that command
[10:28] <Ng> cpk1: ebox?
[10:29] <cpk1> ah, yes ebox
[10:29] <Ng> alex__: hrm, adept is a kde thing, I've never used it I'm afraid. is there not an update-manager equivalent for kubuntu?
[10:29] <cpk1> alex__: in my experience adept never works very well, use the command line instead
[10:30] <cpk1> xx0xx: so either try ebox or compile =P although I am sure there might be some webmin packages floating around
[10:31] <KrimZon> i'll try laptop mode, and looking in the bios anyway...
[10:31] <mvo> Ng: yes, there is adept_updater that should be the same
[10:31]  * Ng defers to mvo's expert knowledge on all things updating :)
[10:31]  * mvo has only passing knowledge about adept
[10:32] <edelholz> savvas: Alright, changed to a registered nick. This is Maik_/mai1 speaking
[10:32] <edelholz> savvas: Queried you again ;)
[10:33] <cpk1> you know some people dont like to be queried...
[10:34] <edelholz> savvas: Oh. Well, I figured that I'd rather query him with long console outputs... Not good?
[10:35] <edelholz> savvas: It's not like I started querying him without having talked to him before. I just had to change my nick to get a registered one
[10:35] <Ng> pastebin is a good place for long outputs
[10:35] <cpk1> pastebin that kind of stuff
[10:36] <edelholz> Okay, I'll do that next time. Thanks for the heads up
[10:39] <xx0xx> how to install eBox? http://ebox-platform.com
[10:41] <xx0xx> or something like this?
[10:41] <KrimZon> Ng: bios didn't have any real power managment settings :(
[10:41] <Ng> KrimZon: hmm, that's unfortunate
[10:41] <KrimZon> i'm sill getting hd activity every 2 seconds when idle
[10:41] <Ng> xx0xx: you probably want to use the packages in ubuntu
[10:41] <cpk1> xx0xx: ebox is in the repositories
[10:43] <xx0xx> i dont have GNU
[10:43] <KrimZon> and i'm still getting several load cycles per minure
[10:43] <xx0xx> i just have ssh login to my box
[10:43] <KrimZon> *minute
[10:43] <Derevko> Hi, with recent upgrade, today all browser (I try firefox and epiphany) are crashing with https://www.bwin.com . Someoene can confirm this?
[10:44] <cpk1> xx0xx: I am trying to make sense of those last 2 statements, do you mean to say that you dont have X?
[10:44] <cpk1> pretty sure ebox is web based so it doesnt matter that the server doesnt have X
[10:45] <Ng> ebox is indeed web based
[10:45] <Ng> and if you don't have GNU then you're in very much the wrong place for help ;)
[10:47] <KrimZon> is there any way to see what processes are accessing the disk?
[10:53] <KrimZon> aha, it's just mount.ntfs and some kjournald
[10:55] <Ng> KrimZon: there is a way to monitor disk access for debugging spindown/spinup stuff, but it will put quite a lot of data in your logs
[10:55] <Ng> KrimZon: echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/block_dump
[10:57] <Ng> (and to turn it off echo 0 into that)
[11:00] <KrimZon> atop has mount.ntfs with about 80% of all disk activity and kjournald with the rest
[11:01] <KrimZon> everything else it says is 0 and it would make sense for those 2
[11:01] <KrimZon> but with this disk activity, if the disk obeyed the acpi setting it would never power down either
[11:09] <Ng> KrimZon: which strongly suggests that the disk's default power management is meant to be more aggressive
[11:10] <ichat> when i install hardy on my workstation pc,  i had quite a whole lot of problems getting it working correctly.  since it didn't want to support my monitor nor my  GF7600gt   - is this a known problem  (i actually managed to clear things out,   but my whole monitor was blurred and stuf the whole time
[11:10] <KrimZon> but it looks like its not getting a chance to power down due to constant disk activity from those two processes
[11:14] <the_alamo> i am still running 7.10 but i have been reading the blueprint for hardy and it says that one of hte objectives is "cleaning up the audio mess"  i want to do sound recording and editing (using jokosher, glame, sweeps, aurdour) and i was wondering how possible that is with hardy (and pulseaudio)?
[11:23] <KrimZon> ng: i can't get the block_dump thing to work
[11:26] <edelholz> Hello. I finally got the nvidia driver running properly (thanks to savvas!), but now I'm having trouble setting the screen resolution on one of my monitors. Nvidia-Settings only allows me to set resolutions to low for my CRT. TFT works fine. Any suggestions?
[11:28] <jaffarkelshac> when i start my computer, compiz.real takes up all my system resources for a long time. why is that and will uninstalling compiz fusion fixed this.
[11:31] <david> without you specifying HW jaffarkelshac, I'd guess you have too low specs for compiz
[11:31] <david> simply disabling it will "fix it"
[11:33] <jaffarkelshac> it was already disabled some how, and i do have the h/w for compiz
[11:34] <Duskin> hi all
[11:34] <jaffarkelshac> hi
[11:34] <scizzo-> hi
[11:34] <Duskin> im having an issue with an update
[11:35] <Duskin> im trying to update liblaunchpad-integration1 and its giving me an error
[11:35] <scizzo-> Duskin: pastebin the error
[11:35] <MrMist> Hey guys
[11:35] <MrMist> I found an issue
[11:35] <Duskin> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.18_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0
[11:35] <MrMist> when installing emacs, no Icons showed up
[11:35] <MrMist> I had to make one myself
[11:35] <Duskin> and it says i have 2 broken packages
[11:36] <MrMist> No menuitems at all appeared in my menus
[11:36] <scizzo-> Duskin: pastebin the whole output
[11:36] <scizzo-> !pastebin
[11:36] <Duskin> in here?
[11:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[11:36] <Duskin> aha, ty
[11:36] <Duskin> gimme a sec
[11:37] <virtuald> the screen didn't refresh when i pressed enter after entering my password for update-manager (with nvidia and compiz), is this known?
[11:37] <virtuald> happend once before
[11:37] <scizzo-> MrMist: which emacs is this? is it the standard emacs or dev version or something?
[11:37] <MrMist> first, I installed the regular emacs22-gtk
[11:37] <MrMist> no icons
[11:37] <scizzo-> virtuald: its freezing?
[11:37] <Duskin> how do i copy from the terminal?
[11:38] <scizzo-> Duskin: mark it and then you can paste with the mouse keys
[11:38] <MrMist> scizzo-: then I installed the emacs-snapshot package to get support for antialising, and removed the old emacs22 packages. No icons appeared now either
[11:38] <youngmusi1> Hey, I think this could be a bug. Just installed the beta on a new dell poweredge 1900. I tried to make a software raid with about 10 raid1 devices. After declaring the partitions as to be used as a raid volume, i got a message that certain partitions were still in use by the system. In fact it gave the message for all logical partitions on both disks. After rebooting my partition table was ok, and i could further setup the rai
[11:38] <DistroJockey> Duskin: sudo aptitude install pastebinit
[11:38] <Duskin> ah, ty
[11:38] <DistroJockey> Duskin: command | pastebinit
[11:39] <goodhabit> Hello. Anyone have trouble with gparted - when it starts, it continues searching devices and never stops.
[11:39] <goodhabit> It starts with gutsy, now with hardy too.
[11:39] <scizzo-> MrMist: wait....you mean the emacs main icon or the icons in the application itself?
[11:40] <gatestone> the_alamo, where do they say "cleaning up the audio mess"? I would like to read of any changes in audio...?
[11:41] <MrMist> scizzo-: I mean some menu item for the application. There's no launcher created. I can run it from the commandline just fine, and everything is as expected when first running the app
[11:42] <scizzo-> MrMist: sounds like either a package missing or a package problem in itself
[11:42] <scizzo-> MrMist: since it is a snapshot I am afraid of the fact it is not that highly supported
[11:42] <Duskin> it wont let me pastebinit so heres a screenshot: http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c311/danyn3300/Screenshot-Changesapplied.png?t=1207651320
[11:42] <MrMist> scizzo-: This also applied to emacs22
[11:43] <MrMist> scizzo-: and NOT only the snapshot version I'm afraid. Try installing it, and see for yourself
[11:43] <scizzo-> MrMist: what packages do you have installed? dpkg -l | grep emacs-snapshot
[11:45] <scizzo-> Duskin: run: apt-get -f install
[11:45] <MrMist> emacs-snapshot, emacs-snapshot-bin-common, emacs-snapshot-common, emacs-snapshot-gtk
[11:45] <scizzo-> Duskin: in a terminal
[11:45] <scizzo-> MrMist: installing now to check for myself
[11:45] <MrMist> scizzo-: emacs-snapshot, emacs-snapshot-bin-common, emacs-snapshot-common, emacs-snapshot-gtk
[11:45] <MrMist> scizzo-: :) Nice
[11:45] <scizzo-> MrMist: where there any reason updates?
[11:46] <scizzo-> MrMist: I am a vim person myself so
[11:46] <MrMist> scizzo-: Reason? As in "why use snapshot"?
[11:46] <MrMist> scizzo-: it contains antialiased fonts, hence emacs looks WAY better
[11:46] <virtuald> my mirkk didn't get bigger when i maximized g-t :/
[11:46] <scizzo-> MrMist: I mean if there was update today or something
[11:46] <scizzo-> MrMist: cause I get icons
[11:47] <MrMist> scizzo-: Hmm... strange... why don't I ?
[11:47] <MrMist> *checking updates*
[11:47] <Duskin> scizzo: This is what i get: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62496/
[11:47] <virtuald> scizzo-: about the password thing, no, it's not freezing, though it does that sometimes too
[11:47] <scizzo-> MrMist: try to check what happens if you move the .emacs files away or create a new with another user
[11:47] <scizzo-> MrMist: to see if the emacs file is not corrupt or something
[11:48] <MrMist> I created it two hours ago
[11:48] <MrMist> installed the new ubuntu AND emacs yesterday
[11:48] <MrMist> strange
[11:48] <MrMist> I could try to reinstall
[11:49] <scizzo-> MrMist: why not just try to redo the .emacs files?
[11:49] <MrMist> what files do you mean exactly? Reinstall the packages ?
[11:50] <MrMist> scizzo-: Where did you find the menu items ?
[11:50] <scizzo-> virtuald: that has happened to me also. However the updater finishes without problems.....sounds like a bug to me maybe check launchpad to see if anyone has reported it?
[11:51] <scizzo-> MrMist: I just installed the packages and started emacs and had icons
[11:51] <MrMist> scizzo-: it's not THOSE icons
[11:51] <scizzo-> MrMist: the file etc menus AFAIK does not have icons in themselves
[11:52] <MrMist> scizzo-: Sorry for not making myself clear. I want a menu item to be added in the main menu of gnome for emacs
[11:52] <MrMist> scizzo-: Shouldn't each app get a launcher?
[11:52] <Duskin> scizzo: should i try reinstalling liblaunchpad-integration0?
[11:52] <mooboo1> help repository say it depenccy package broken :(
[11:53] <scizzo-> MrMist: you mean in applications -> do da?
[11:53] <mooboo1> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:53] <mooboo1>   liblpint-bonobo0: Depends: liblaunchpad-integration1 (>= 0.1.17) but it is not installed
[11:53] <mooboo1>   python-launchpad-integration: Depends: liblaunchpad-integration1 (>= 0.1.17) but it is not installed
[11:53] <mooboo1> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[11:53] <mooboo1> plz help
[11:53] <scizzo-> right sounds like more people have problems with launcpad-integration
[11:53] <mooboo1> yes
[11:53] <scizzo-> Duskin: as you can see there mooboo1 has the same problem
[11:53] <mooboo1> how fix? :(
[11:53] <MrMist> scizzo-: Yeah... something like that
[11:53] <Duskin> i see that
[11:54] <ravingloonietic> hello all
[11:54] <scizzo-> mooboo1: not sure really its a dependency problem. sounds like the packages are a bit strange right now
[11:54] <ravingloonietic> can i get help with nvidia 3d acceleration on hardy?
[11:54] <mooboo1> ok
[11:54] <MrMist> scizzo-: It's probably trivial to create one, and most emacs users are probably able to as well. But the threshold for using a program would be easier if one didn't HAVE to launch the program from the command-line
[11:55] <scizzo-> MrMist: one sec I will check
[11:55] <mooboo1> why they dont use hardy-proposed and hardy-backports?
[11:56] <ravingloonietic> kde 4 is so sexy
[11:56] <virtuald> what's the difference between the directories linux-headers-2.6.24-15 and -generic in /usr/src/?
[11:56] <BonezAU> Hi, I installed some updates via apt-get yesterday on my hardy installation, and now when I boot the PC, it lets me log on to Gnome, the splash screen shows up showing that it's loading nautilus etc, the logon sound plays - then I end up with a complete blank screen with just a mouse cursor. Anyone got any suggestions? I can't get my desktop to come up :(
[11:56] <MrMist> ravingloonietic: Is it still as cumberstone as it used to be ?
[11:56] <MrMist> ravingloonietic: Using half the system resources on pretty windows ?
[11:57] <ravingloonietic> MrMist: a little yes - slightly more I suppose
[11:57] <MrMist> ravingloonietic: mm... guess I'm sticking with gnome for now then ;)
[11:57] <ravingloonietic> MrMist: But considering that my machine is pentium 3 with 256 MB RAM - I'd say not bad :)
[11:57] <scizzo-> MrMist: yep you are right it does not show up in the menu...however
[11:58] <MrMist> ravingloonietic: I actually recompiled gtk2.0 with a patch making the file menus appear as on OsX. That was pretty neat, however a bit buggy.
[11:58] <scizzo-> MrMist: if you go and right click on Applications and then to edit menus
[11:59] <ravingloonietic> MrMist: Both KDe and gnome can look like OSX - but hey why make it look like something its not? :)
[11:59] <scizzo-> MrMist: in the edit menus click on Accessories
[11:59] <scizzo-> MrMist: is the emacs snapshot and so on shown in there?
[11:59] <ravingloonietic> MrMist: everyone seems to be talking to you
[12:00] <MrMist> wee :D
[12:00] <MrMist> Applications? Where do I find it?
[12:00] <MrMist> scizzo-: Ah... heh... Ijust had the "main menu" up
[12:01] <ravingloonietic> now if anybody would please tell me if its possible to enable nvidia 3d acceleration on a 2.6.24 I'd be a happy ravingloonietic :)
[12:01] <MrMist> scizzo-: Wow... yes, they're there
[12:01] <scizzo-> MrMist: btw.....I just tried logging out and logging in...and now they are there
[12:01] <Duskin> ravingloonietic: yes it is possible
[12:01] <scizzo-> MrMist: mayb try that
[12:01] <MrMist> scizzo-: Hmmm
[12:01] <MrMist> shouldn't the menus get reloaded automatically ?
[12:02] <ravingloonietic> Duskin: thank you, how? I've tried the Kubuntu way and the debian way...failed miserably
[12:02] <Duskin> ravingloonietic: I wouldn't know :(
[12:02] <MrMist> ravingloonietic: I've got it working here ??
[12:02] <ravingloonietic> May I know ur hardware?
[12:02] <Duskin> ravingloonietic: but when i first installed ubuntu it did ask if i wanted to use a closed source nvidia driver
[12:03] <MrMist> ravingloonietic: I'm on a Dell Latitude D820
[12:03] <MrMist> ravingloonietic: nvidia quadro nvs 120
[12:03] <Duskin> ravingloonietic: amd 2500+, 512mb ram, nvidia fx 5200, and it plays games like WoW and CSS great
[12:03] <ravingloonietic> Duskin: thats strange, i didn't get asked that - Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4
[12:04] <ravingloonietic> Wow. Nice boxes
[12:04] <scizzo-> MrMist: well logging out and logging in again works so
[12:04] <ravingloonietic> anyway thanks again. I've been troubleshooting this for 4 days now
[12:04] <MrMist> scizzo-: Yeah... and that's great and all
[12:04] <Duskin> ravingloonietic: what card are you using?
[12:04] <MrMist> but maybe there should be a warning to restart the system or something then ?
[12:05] <humbolto> is there a top for hdd access? where I can see which app is causing all this HDD IO?
[12:05] <ravingloonietic> Duskin: Geforce 2 with 64 MB. *blushes* I know I know, its old...
[12:05] <Duskin> ravingloonietic: we all start somewhere lol
[12:05] <Duskin> ravingloonietic: lemme see if i can find the name of the driver i'm using for you
[12:05] <ravingloonietic> Duskin: I've had this since 2000ish :(
[12:06] <virtuald> does the default spamfilter in evolution scan images?
[12:06] <MrMist> I really like the new default artwork though
[12:06] <ravingloonietic> Duskin: I might die tomorrow and my video card is still a Geforce 2
[12:06] <MrMist> but guys... seriously... brown? Of all colors...
[12:06] <Duskin> ravingloonietic: go buy a new one then?
[12:07] <ravingloonietic> Duskin: Bingo! But, well, you see, ... You know what I mean.
[12:07] <Duskin> ravingloonietic: the driver im using is included in this module: Non-free Linux 2.6.24 modules on x86/x86_64
[12:07] <ravingloonietic> Anyway, you guys are great: between you and me, you guys are better than the old guys over at #debian, but keep that as a secret. Those old buggers really are cranky
[12:08] <MrMist> Small question though... I'm having a Duo Core 2.0 GHz machine... does that support 64 bit?
[12:08] <MrMist> and if that's the case... should i USE the 64 bit version ?
[12:08] <ravingloonietic> Duskin: Thanks. I'll take note of that. Again, you guys are great. I am off to reboot now. tatah!
[12:08] <scizzo-> virtuald: that is something the evolution team should be able to answer on the website....not sure what filter they are using exactlu
[12:08] <MrMist> good luck ravingloonietic
[12:08] <ravingloonietic> Thanks all :)
[12:08] <Duskin> MrMist: core 2 duo, or core duo?
[12:08] <ravingloonietic> bb
[12:08] <Duskin> ravingloonietic: np
[12:08] <MrMist> core duo
[12:09] <MrMist> Duskin: Core Duo
[12:09] <Duskin> MrMist: i believe it does, but lemme double check
[12:09] <scizzo-> Duskin: I would report this package issue to launchpad
[12:09] <scizzo-> Duskin: since its a general problem with that package
[12:09] <Duskin> ok, will do
[12:09] <scizzo-> Duskin: or run: dpkg --configure -a
[12:09] <MrMist> Duskin: It's a portable
[12:10] <virtuald> ok
[12:10] <MrMist> Duskin: what the ... ??? I didn't notice before... but is ubuntu only running on ONE of my cores now ?
[12:11] <Duskin> MrMist: I would have no idea
[12:11] <Duskin> MrMist: I don't use a dual-core cpu
[12:11] <scizzo-> MrMist: what are you talking about?
[12:11] <MrMist> Ouch... does anyone know ?
[12:11] <scizzo-> MrMist: I have a quad core
[12:11] <virtuald> from update-manager (manually translated) E: /var/cache/apt/archives/liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.18_i386.deb: trying to overwrite "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png" also in package liblaunchpad-integration0
[12:11] <Gilou> MrMist> maybe you don't have a SMP enabled kernel
[12:12] <MrMist> scizzo-: if you take "cat /proc/cpuinfo" do you get 4 cores, or one ?
[12:12] <scizzo-> virtuald: its known....told duskin to report it in launchpad
[12:12] <virtuald> ok
[12:12] <scizzo-> MrMist: 4....why?
[12:12] <dennda> Are there any issues known yet with xserver failing to start after latest upgrades?
[12:12] <Duskin> MrMist: also, i found on wikipedia that the core duo is only a 32-bit cpu
[12:12] <Gilou> virtuald> package file conflict, either use dpkg-divert on the file (with clever arguments), or ask for the package to be more properly done :p
[12:12] <scizzo-> MrMist: and when its only 1 I know what my problem here is actually
[12:12] <Gilou> ah, it's known, sorry.
[12:12] <Gilou> :)
[12:13] <MrMist> scizzo-: SMP ?
[12:13] <scizzo-> MrMist: I was using i386 kernel......when switching to generic I got the 4 cores again
[12:13] <Gilou> generic or SMP should do the trick :)
[12:14] <MrMist> But I'm running generic!!!
[12:14] <scizzo-> MrMist: uname -a
[12:14] <MrMist> scizzo-: Linux ******* 2.6.24-14-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 3 04:49:29 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:15] <Duskin> scizzo-: I submited a bug report to launchpad
[12:15] <scizzo-> MrMist: and you have one cpu in the cpuinfo?
[12:15] <scizzo-> Duskin: nice
[12:15] <scizzo-> Duskin: gj
[12:15] <MrMist> scizzo-: mm
[12:15] <Duskin> scizzo-: so maybe it will be resolved soon
[12:16] <scizzo-> Duskin: lets hope os
[12:16] <MrMist> scizzo-: And when pushing "1" when running "top" it doesn't extend to show both my cores
[12:16] <scizzo-> Duskin: might be known to the maintainer for the package already so
[12:16] <MrMist> scizzo-: hold on...
[12:16] <raju> how to use the smart card in ubuntu
[12:17] <MrMist> scizzo-: ehm :$ sorry *blushes*
[12:17] <coz_> good day all
[12:17] <MrMist> scizzo-: It's not always a good idea using ctrl-l all the time, when I've ssh'd into multiple ubuntu machines
[12:17] <coz_> i noticed launchpad integration installation failed this morning
[12:18] <scizzo-> MrMist: :S
[12:18] <Gilou> lol MrMist "classical" :p
[12:18] <scizzo-> anyway time to try and get my dual core up as server...
[12:19] <Duskin> coz_: i've submitted a bug report not 5 minutes ago
[12:19] <coz_> Duskin, yes I noticed this was reported  quickly :)
[12:20] <coz_> Duskin, no restart issues with todays updates?
[12:20]  * MrMist is slightly embarassed
[12:21] <Duskin> coz_: nope
[12:21] <coz_> ok thanks
[12:23] <Duskin> so i've decided that besides the launchpad update error and some firefox 3.0b5 issues, i'm liking hardy
[12:25] <scizzo-> hmmmm preferred applications are changed in updates also
[12:26] <Duskin> yeah they seem to revert to default
[12:26] <mooboo1> X crashes when I goto http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Simpsons in Mozilla firefox 3.0b5
[12:26] <mooboo1> plz help
[12:26] <scizzo-> if you have this problem: someone posts a link in terminal or you are trying to click a link in pidgin etc go to System -> Preferences -> Preferred Applications and change it there
[12:27] <MrMist> mooboo1: Hmm... doesn't crash here
[12:27] <mooboo1> MrMist, oh
[12:27] <MrMist> mooboo1: How does it "crash" ?
[12:27] <Duskin> mooboo1: doesnt crash for me either
[12:27] <Dr_willis> fine here also
[12:28] <mooboo1> oh
[12:28] <scizzo-> wow.....my X crashed completely when entering that site
[12:28] <MrMist> mooboo1: How much RAM have you got? It's a large page. Might be the rendering engine eating memory or something
[12:28] <mooboo1> MrMist, 4gb
[12:28] <MrMist> mooboo1: hehe.... probably not that then, eh ?
[12:28] <MrMist> hehe
[12:29] <Duskin> im on 512mb and it displayed fine
[12:29] <MrMist> I gotta go here
[12:29] <mooboo1> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bart_Simpson <-- works fine
[12:29] <mooboo1> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Simpsons <-- crash X
[12:29] <MrMist> bye guys :)
[12:29] <mooboo1> bye
[12:29] <MrMist> thanks for all the help :)
[12:29] <MrMist> bbl I guess
[12:30] <Duskin> mooboo1: is it absolutely necessary you read that site?
[12:30] <Duskin> cya MrMist
[12:30] <MrMist> bye Duskin
[12:30] <mooboo1> no it isnt
[12:30] <mooboo1> :D
[12:30] <Dr_willis> Only thing i could think of would bne the size of the web pages both are raterh long.
[12:30] <mooboo1> now it crashed again
[12:30] <mooboo1> im gonna stop goto that website lol
[12:30] <Dr_willis> crashing X however.. is a big issue.. crashing the browser would be a littler issue. :)
[12:31] <BonezAU> Hi, I installed some updates via apt-get yesterday on my hardy installation, and now when I boot the PC, it lets me log on to Gnome, the splash screen shows up showing that it's loading nautilus etc, the logon sound plays - then I end up with a complete blank screen with just a mouse cursor. Anyone got any suggestions? I can't get my desktop to come up :(
[12:31] <mooboo1> ya
[12:31] <Dr_willis> Most of the time ive seen X crash is driver issues.
[12:31] <MrMist> mooboo1: Are you on a 64bit system then ?
[12:31] <mooboo1> MrMist, im on 32-bit system, but i have core2duo that is 64-bit capable
[12:31] <scizzo-> mooboo1: I get the same result
[12:32] <scizzo-> mooboo1: tried to move the .mozilla and disable adblocker but same result
[12:32] <mooboo1> scizzo-, oh
[12:32] <dns53> scizzo- it seems ok for me
[12:32] <MrMist> Is a 32bit OS able to use all 4GB?
[12:32] <mooboo1> i even have noscript
[12:32] <Duskin> scizzo-: you have adblocker working on 3.0b5?
[12:33] <mooboo1> MrMist, kinda not
[12:33] <Duskin> for me it got disable when i updated from b4 to b5
[12:33] <mooboo1> same
[12:33] <scizzo-> Duskin: adblocker plus yes
[12:33] <MrMist> guys I'll cya :)
[12:33] <MrMist> bye then
[12:34] <mooboo1> scizzo-, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/213891
[12:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213891 in xorg "Xorg crashes when I visit a page in Mozilla Firefox" [Undecided,New]
[12:34] <scizzo-> mooboo1: nice
[12:35] <Dr_willis> also rather vague error message. :)
[12:35] <Dr_willis> Try running X with startx, and get a log of the crashes. perhaps.
[12:35] <Dr_willis> also may want to try with other window managers. see if it crashes the same way.
[12:36] <mooboo1> good idea
[12:37] <ichat> and if that dont work,  first pet your pc (be nice to computers it helps),
[12:37] <mooboo1> i think something is fundamentally broken, if a webpage is able to crash the whole graphics system
[12:37] <mooboo1> i can understand it can crash the browser
[12:37] <mooboo1> but it should be impossible for it to crash the xserver
[12:37] <ichat> lol its a beta browser
[12:38] <Duskin> uh oh...
[12:38] <mooboo1> beta browser does not matter, then browser should crash, but x shouldnt die
[12:38] <mooboo1> x should be like "fine, die", it shouldnt be like "oh, help you're dieing and you're dragging me down with you, heeeelp cant breath"
[12:38] <ichat> depends on what its buggy causes
[12:38] <scizzo-> ichat: well one site crashes the whole X session? its not really...ummm right.....if it should crash it should crash the browser.....
[12:38] <Duskin> looks like the launchpad bug is causing the add/remove programs menu to not want to work
[12:38] <mooboo1> ya
[12:38] <ichat> i didn't say its right
[12:38] <ichat> did i
[12:38] <scizzo-> no
[12:39] <dns53> well the composite and the opengl extension used for compiz are buggy
[12:39] <scizzo-> just making my point.. ;)
[12:39] <ichat> thank god - i would have slapted me for that :P
[12:39] <WelshDragon> Hello, this is a wierd question, But i've got ubuntu installed, but i'm on the live cd right now. Can i run apt-get, which would affect the installed partition, while on the live cd?
[12:39] <dns53> nope, a live cd does not write to a drive unless you tell it to
[12:39] <Dr_willis> mooboo1,  thats why i am saying its very likely a video driver issue. not a browser issue.
[12:40] <Dr_willis> WelshDragon,  with the proper commands you can 'chroot' into the installed system and apt-get install stuff
[12:40] <mooboo1> Dr_willis, oh
[12:40] <WelshDragon> kk thank you, i'll look up chroot :)
[12:40] <ichat> well it could be bouth,  firefox has some know  buffer probs afaick... i could stag it all till xserv dont love you anymore
[12:41] <Dr_willis> WelshDragon,  you will most likely need to 'remount' or use the mount bind, options to get /dev/ and one or 2 other system dir  to appear in the chrooted installed system also.
[12:41] <Dr_willis> WelshDragon,  i recall there being like 3 commands to set it up right. :)
[12:41] <WelshDragon> Thanks alot Dr_willis :)
[12:42] <ravingloonietic> hi again I am back!
[12:42] <W8TAH> good morning everyone -- how can i watch / see what is being gotten from a dhcp request -- for some reason i dont get the name servers on hardy
[12:44] <_ruben> W8TAH: dhcpdump (with the use of tcpdump_
[12:44] <WelshDragon> Got chroot working. Thanks again Dr_willis.
[12:45] <ravingloonietic> can anyone tell me what a sigbart is?
[12:45] <Lynoure> W8TAH: dhclient -n -w , I think
[12:45] <Lynoure> _ruben: no need to go that techny, if the dhcp server actually responds :)
[12:46] <Lynoure> W8TAH: note, not same as -nw (did that mistake once)
[12:47] <Smegzor> I can't change my wallpaper in gnome.  On another pc also running 8.04 it changes just fine.  Any idea what could be broken in my gnome install?  KDE can change wallpaper so its just a gnome issue.
[12:47] <_ruben> Lynoure: dhcpdump makes dhcp requests/responses readable, not much to do with wether or not the server responds :)
[12:48] <Smegzor> I don't know what process actually changes the wallpaper.  I'm guessing the problem is with that.
[12:48] <Duskin> Smegzor: are you using compiz?
[12:48] <Smegzor> no
[12:49] <ravingloonietic> Hello Duskin :) iam back
[12:49] <Duskin> hi ravingloonietic
[12:49] <ravingloonietic> Duskin: I finally was able to change resolution to 1024x768 via envy - however, plasma disappeared do you know where I could get help with plasma?
[12:50] <Duskin> no idea lol
[12:50] <Smegzor> hmm!  I just had a thought.  When I upgraded, I kept my home partition.  I'm going to create a new user and log in with that.  If it can change wallpaper, its a problem in my gnome config most likely.
[12:50] <Duskin> ravingloonietic: im not very good with linux yet
[12:50] <Lynoure> _ruben: no, but it just seems like an overkill compared to just using dhclient, which can also show the server... But if you need deeper troubleshooting, sure
[12:50] <Smegzor> back in a bit
[12:50] <ravingloonietic> Duskin: well ok thanks anyway. ciao! :)
[12:50] <Duskin> good luck Smegzor
[12:52] <aguitel> i have dificult with wireless when load kernel 2.6.24.15
[12:54] <WelshDragon> Hello again :) Could anyone tell me how i fix this problem when using apt-get update please?
[12:54] <WelshDragon> FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor
[12:54] <WelshDragon> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[12:54] <Smegzor> yep, its a problem in my gnome somewhere.  The other user could change wallpaper
[12:55] <Smegzor> yay!  so I have to compare config files :(
[12:55] <Dr_willis> WelshDragon,  odd. sounds like the http geting of the updates has died/crashed.. wonder if the server is having issues.
[12:56] <Dr_willis> Or  could be a filesystem issue.. Not sure what non-blocking flag.. means.
[12:56] <WelshDragon> Well i was getting it on the canocial mirror...so i commented that one out...Now i'm getting it on the security.ubuntu mirror
[12:57] <Dr_willis> i just dod a update/upgrade with  no hassles - In the usa
[12:57] <Armored_Azrael> That's either a fs or disk corruption issue
[12:57] <Armored_Azrael> err, no my bad
[12:57] <Armored_Azrael> that's an issue with the http libraries
[12:57] <Armored_Azrael> essentially, the problem is that you're opening a socket
[12:57] <Dr_willis> Armored_Azrael,  or the http libs not being able to write a file?
[12:57] <Armored_Azrael> and trying to tell it that you want to poll the socket for more data rather than waiting
[12:57] <Armored_Azrael> no
[12:58] <Armored_Azrael> the file descriptor in question is probably an http socket
[12:58] <Armored_Azrael> unless I'm mistaken
[12:58]  * Dr_willis derfers to Armored_Azrael 's judgement. :)
[12:58] <WelshDragon> ok....
[12:58] <Armored_Azrael> However, this is only a diagnosis, not a fix.
[12:58] <Armored_Azrael> WelshDragon: Have you recently installed any libraries from source?
[12:59] <WelshDragon> Nope
[12:59] <Armored_Azrael> Dr_willis: I'm assuming socket IO is the problem, because setting non-blocking on a file wouldn't make sense
[13:00] <Armored_Azrael> Sorry. Don't know what to do to fix it. Seeing if my system has the same problem with the latest updates
[13:01] <WelshDragon> It's working now. I did a quick google. It seemed to be a problem with the chroot. The live cd had mounted the partition automatically, i had to umount it and then mount it from terminal
[13:01] <WelshDragon> Thanks for help :)
[13:01] <Armored_Azrael> Oh
[13:01] <Armored_Azrael> Yeah, that would do it due to socket double-mounting
[13:01] <Armored_Azrael> didn't know you were in a live environment, my bad :P
[13:05] <Dr_willis> read only filesystem perhaps?
[13:05] <Dr_willis> Oh double mounting.
[13:05] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:05] <Dr_willis> That like doublestick-gum!
[13:12] <raju> how to use the smart card reader in ubuntu
[13:13] <KrimZon> wow... i killed hald and the constant disk activity stopped
[13:13] <Lynoure> raju: in my case it was just a matter of pushing the card in, but depends on your reader...
[13:14] <Gnine> !hal
[13:14] <ubotu> For an informative description of the Hardware Abstraction Layer , go to this site : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_abstraction_layer
[13:18] <boris> hello
[13:18] <erle-> launchpad-integration on amd64 is broken
[13:18] <Lynoure> raju: if you are having problems with yours, try giving more info
[13:18] <erle-> old and new version want to write the same file
[13:20] <mrtimdog> #213892
[13:20] <mrtimdog> Bug #﻿213892
[13:21] <dns53> !bug #﻿213892
[13:22] <mrtimdog> !﻿213892
[13:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 213892 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:22] <no0tic> dns53, bug 213892
[13:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213892 in launchpad-integration "Unable to upgrading with liblaunchpad-integration1 package (dup-of: 213863)" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213892
[13:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "Broken package dependency" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213863
[13:22] <no0tic> ;)
[13:25] <Sergeant_Pony> ubotu I just got the same error
[13:28] <orthodoc> just updated and evolution refuses to start
[13:28] <orthodoc> how to get it going?
[13:28] <orthodoc> package manager says unmet dependencies...
[13:29] <orthodoc> for the package: liblaunchpad-integration1
[13:30] <orthodoc> how to fix evolution, apparently needs configuring after upgrade!
[13:30] <orthodoc> any ideas guys...
[13:31] <Sergeant_Pony> I don't use evolution...
[13:32] <Gilou> I do, but on my laptop which uses the hardy heron, I use thunderbird :p
[13:32] <orthodoc> any idea how to fix broken dependencies?
[13:32] <Gilou> and as a general advice orthodoc just wait for the repair of the package to be spread
[13:32] <Gilou> https://launchpad.net/bugs/213863
[13:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "Broken package dependency" [High,Fix released]
[13:32] <orthodoc> ok...
[13:33] <orthodoc> does this mean i update and upgrade?
[13:33] <Gilou> not sure it made it to the repos yet
[13:33] <Gilou> but maybe
[13:33] <Gilou> :)
[13:33] <DarkMageZ> it hasn't
[13:33] <DarkMageZ> give it an hour or so. i've seen it take up to 8 hours once.
[13:33] <Gilou> workaround is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/213863/comments/2
[13:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "Broken package dependency" [High,Fix released]
[13:34] <orthodoc> ok so i look it up in launchpad...
[13:34] <grml> orthodoc: just encountered the same issue, fixed it by force installing the liblaunchpad-integration1 package: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.18_i386.deb
[13:34] <orthodoc> grml: let me give that a try
[13:36] <cppmonkey> How can I force a program to install? it required libglew1.4 >= libglew1.5 is installed...
[13:37] <dns53> reinstall libglew
[13:37] <jepler> cppmonkey: dpkg --force-help
[13:38] <orthodoc> that worked like a charm...
[13:38] <orthodoc> thanks grml, Gilou, DarkMageZ and ubotu
[13:39] <Sergeant_Pony> ubotu workaround worked for me over here
[13:39] <Gilou> lol :)
[13:39] <Gilou> thank you ubotu !
[13:39] <Gnine> !botsnack
[13:39] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[13:40] <dns53> !worksforme
[13:40] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[13:41] <mewt> Hi guys, upgraded to hardy last night and I have encountered some instability, which I think has something to do with compiz fusion - is there a way i can find out better what could cause it or should I simply file a bug with the symptons ?
[13:42] <Dr_willis> disable compiz see if its still buggy
[13:42] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:42] <mewt> done that and no crashes now
[13:42] <mewt> yet*
[13:43] <dns53> video drivers suck, especially when you use the experimental extension
[13:48] <IdleOne> mewt: file a bug. compiz is buggy and the more "symptoms" they get the better they can understand and try to fix them
[13:49] <mewt> IdleOne, k will do
[13:51] <Alan_> Question - how usable is the Beta at the moment?  I'm wanting to upgrade before I have no time to do so (I have exams in a couple of weeks) and my current Ubuntu install is kinda broken...
[13:51] <Alan_> I'm not afraid of having to fix things occasionally (used to be a Gentoo user =) )
[13:52] <Alan_> Are there any *big* "this is broken, makes life difficult" things?
[13:52] <dns53> if you don't mind downloading 100mb each day till it is released install it
[13:52] <Gnine> !beta
[13:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beta - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:52] <Lynoure> Alan_: Kubuntu and linux friendly laptop here, but mostly good, occasional breakage
[13:52] <cyclonut> any word on liblaunchpad-integration1 ?
[13:53] <Lynoure> Alan_: over all, my lappy is happier in hardy than it gutsy :)
[13:53] <negge> Alan_  it's pretty stable IMO
[13:53] <cyclonut> or why it seems to be superbroken
[13:53] <Lynoure> s/it/in/
[13:53] <cyclonut> or a little broken
[13:53] <Gnine> !broken
[13:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about broken - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:53] <negge> although there are a couple of annoying bugs
[13:53]  * cyclonut throws a fish @ Gnine
[13:53] <Alan_> negge, like?
[13:53] <dns53> as always it becomes less broken as it goes along, only in the last week is everything really stable
[13:54] <Alan_> Also, for the record, I'm on a desktop, so none of the usual laptop issues :P
[13:54] <Gnine> !launchpad
[13:54] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[13:54] <cyclonut> I've experienced quite the opposite, the last week has made hardy quite unpleasant for me
[13:54] <negge> Alan_  if you have multiple harddrives/partitions to mount the mount point changes when you reboot
[13:54] <Gnine> check 8.04 bugs in there
[13:54] <cyclonut> huge jump in ram usage, ~8-15c jump in cpu temp, crashy firefox, etc
[13:54] <Gnine> lies
[13:55] <cyclonut> Gnine: will check
[13:55] <dns53> i was referring to the week before launch where all bugs get closed
[13:55] <cyclonut> lies?
[13:55] <Gnine> negge is wrong..
[13:55] <negge> another thing is that even though xorg.conf has become a lot smaller it feels like it's harder to configure, managed to break my xorg.conf yesterday and even though I cp'd an old backup copy it still didn't work the way it should
[13:55] <negge> Gnine  about what?
[13:56] <dns53> negge the new xorg does not need a config file so they seem to be removing some of the stuff that is easily detected when it starts
[13:57] <Alan_> Ok, how about this one then - how usable is 64-bit these days?
[13:57] <negge> dns53 okay...
[13:57] <Gnine> !poll
[13:57] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
[13:57] <negge> Alan_  I'm using 64-bit, haven't had any 64-bit specific problems yet
[13:57] <Alan_> negge, what about the usual things like flash plugin?
[13:57] <hydrogen> its still not necessary
[13:57] <negge> Alan_ it works now:)
[13:58] <hydrogen> 64bit, that is
[13:58] <negge> no need to use gnash
[13:58] <dns53> Alan_ well the only things that do not work out of the box are proprietary things, flash, java plugin etc
[13:58] <cyclonut> The issue w/liblaunchpad being broken is to ddownload the deb and force it
[13:58] <Alan_> dns53, well, if thats the case, no change from about 3 years ago then :(
[13:58] <dns53> Alan_ the plugin wrapper works but can be buggy so you can use the 32 bit flash
[13:58] <negge> hydrogen  of course it's not necessary to use 64-bit but it feels a bit lame to be sitting on a 64-bit capable CPU and not taking advantage of it
[13:58] <cyclonut> Alan_: proprietary things cannot work out of the box in a free system, silly :-P
[13:59] <Alan_> cyclonut, well, i realise that...
[13:59] <negge> the sad thing is I have never gotten gnash to work properly
[13:59] <negge> youtube is unwatchable with it, I don't know if this is just for me or for everyone
[13:59] <Alan_> But, the thing is - does ubufox or whatever it is set the stuff up for you on 64-bit?
[13:59] <dns53> Alan_ you can always install a 32 bit firefox without too many problems
[13:59] <cyclonut> negge: gnash is a mess
[13:59] <negge> yeah
[13:59] <cyclonut> Alan_: no, you need to do it on your own
[13:59] <negge> Alan_ it has worked so far for me
[13:59] <mewt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/213932
[14:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213932 in compiz "compiz crashes randomly" [Undecided,New]
[14:00] <negge> when you click "install missing plugins" in firefox and choose Adobe flash player everything works great
[14:00] <cyclonut> I dont have experience w/64bit but I just install ubuntu-restricted-extras to get all that good stuff
[14:00] <hydrogen> negge: yet you gain absolutely nothing by using it
[14:00] <Alan_> dns53, true, but i was hoping it was a bit less "bleh" by now :)
[14:00] <hydrogen> except less disk space
[14:00] <raju> Lynoure, mine is also just pushing the casr
[14:00] <mewt> dns53, what do you mean that the new xorg doesnt need a config file ?
[14:00] <negge> hydrogen  you can't say that
[14:00] <cyclonut> mewt: you can delete xorg.conf and it'll still work
[14:01] <mewt> cyclonut, :O
[14:01] <Alan_> dns53, last time I was running 64-bit was gentoo 2006.0, and i remember the nswrapper stuff being a bit primitive and broken, and running 2 versions of firefox also being annoying
[14:01] <dns53> mewt delete it and start X
[14:01] <negge> 64-bit has multiple advantages over 32-bit systems, although most of them aren't generally noticed by the user
[14:01] <cyclonut> mewt: back it up, delete it, and restart x
[14:01] <mewt> dns53, ill try that on my desktop when I upgrade, this is my work laptop right now :p can't risk breaking it
[14:01] <Alan_> hydrogen, I'm looking to upgrade to 4GB RAM, so i'll gain the ability to actually use it
[14:01] <negge> cyclonut so which file should I backup in order to restore a working xorg configuration?
[14:01] <Gnine> !64
[14:01] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[14:01] <raju> Lynoure, do u know how insert the card in laptop
[14:01] <cyclonut> negge: eh?
[14:02] <Alan_> hydrogen, also, i'm working on something that will benefit from being able to do fast 128-bit floating-point ops
[14:02] <Alan_> *faster
[14:02] <cyclonut> negge: you're asking me to divine which file you got ride of? :-P
[14:02] <Lynoure> raju: I'm not sure what you mean... find the reader hole, push?
[14:02] <negge> cyclonut no no:D
[14:02] <raju> Lynoure, the card has one black dot that is the upper side i inserted
[14:02] <raju> that i did
[14:03] <raju> Lynoure, my laptop having tifm_sd
[14:03] <negge> I made a copy of xorg.conf while my settings where fine but after I changed some tv-out settings and rebooted I can't change my monitors resolution to more than 1024x768, and when I restored the backup copy of xorg.conf nothing happened
[14:03] <noamsml> There's a package problem
[14:03] <raju> Lynoure, i think this is the package which supports the smart card
[14:03] <Lynoure> raju: not knowing what reader you have or what card or even what happens when you try, I cannot make any further guesses
[14:03] <cyclonut> negge: restored backup & restarted X?
[14:03] <noamsml> liblauncpad-integration0 tries to overwrite files from liblaunchpad-integration1
[14:03] <cyclonut> noamsml: its an easy fix
[14:03] <cyclonut> noamsml: hold please
[14:04] <cyclonut> noamsml: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/213863
[14:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "Broken package dependency" [High,Fix released]
[14:04] <Alan_> hmmm, maybe i'll try 64-bit at a later date...
[14:04] <raju> Lynoure, when i inserted the card there is no any change , or no other window opened
[14:04] <Finnish_> I have a problem with brogen package
[14:04] <raju> Lynoure, is there any procedure for that
[14:04] <Finnish_> "Error: BrokenCount >0"
[14:04] <cyclonut> Finnish_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/213863 I am guessing this is your problem too
[14:05] <Lynoure> Alan_: 4GB should be fine in either 32bit and 64bit, when it goes over however, you'll need 64bit
[14:05] <Lynoure> raju: anything in  dmesg?
[14:05] <Lynoure> raju: (pastebin if long)
[14:05] <dns53> Alan_ read linus's bug report on flash for fedora (on april 1st)
[14:05] <raju> Lynoure, after the card also , i didnt find any change in the dmesg
[14:05] <Alan_> Lynoure, fair enough, but still - would be nice to have greater floating-point precision for what i'm doing...
[14:05] <raju> Lynoure, ok i do
[14:06] <Lynoure> Alan_: yes, I understand.
[14:07] <cyclonut> negge: and if you've restarted X, try going without an xorg.conf, or try doing sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg (not the exact command, check the top of your xorg.conf file for the proper one)
[14:07] <Lynoure> raju: there should be something. What's your reader hardware?
[14:07] <cyclonut> brb
[14:08] <raju> Lynoure, i inserted into that SD haole
[14:08] <raju> Lynoure, i inserted into that SD hole
[14:09] <Lynoure> raju: Yes, but the manufacturer or better yet the chipset of the reader?
[14:09] <savvas> lsusb shows it
[14:10]  * savvas bbl
[14:10]  * Pici wonders if the current nvidia drivers support the 9800s...
[14:11] <raju> Lynoure, see the link http://pastebin.com/m660786c9
[14:11] <W8TAH> Lynoure, im back -- sorry -- i got divereted by projects here -- when i tried the dhclient -n -w i get the following:
[14:11] <W8TAH> wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801
[14:11] <W8TAH> wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801
[14:11] <W8TAH> Sending on   Socket/fallback
[14:12] <TychoQuad> is there a solution to the liblaunchpad-intergration1 dependency problems, it's compeltely locked up apt from doing anything
[14:12] <Lynoure> W8TAH: if you get no server ip eventually, does not seem anything is being a dhcp server or that your machines cries are unheard by it
[14:12] <TychoQuad> perhaps a quick fix or something? I've tried apt-get -f install
[14:12] <W8TAH> ok - my windows boxes are gettin dhcp ok - im wondering if things are timing out too fast
[14:13] <Lynoure> W8TAH: Usually where it says "Socket/fallback" it would say eth0 or so, I think.
[14:13] <W8TAH> ok
[14:13] <Lynoure> W8TAH: so could be your interfaces are not working
[14:13] <mewt> TychoQuad, ye hold on
[14:14] <W8TAH> i tried dhclient -w and it gave me an address
[14:14] <TychoQuad> thanks mewt
[14:14] <W8TAH> (its this machien that im working on) (outside dns resolves fine - its only internal)
[14:14] <Finnish_> cyclonut: Thanks!!! It worked!
[14:14] <mewt> TychoQuad,
[14:14] <mewt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/213863
[14:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "Broken package dependency" [High,Fix released]
[14:14] <mewt> comment 2
[14:15] <cyclonut> Finnish_: np, glad it worked
[14:16] <W8TAH> Lynoure, thanks a bunch
[14:17] <TychoQuad> thanks alot mewt, seems to be working now
[14:17] <mewt> TychoQuad, great
[14:18] <Lynoure> W8TAH: :)
[14:18] <raju> Lynoure, have you checked the link
[14:19] <Lynoure> raju: not yet
[14:19] <raju> Lynoure, ok
[14:20] <Lynoure> raju: hmm, nothing clearly card specific there
[14:22] <raju> Lynoure, the card which i inserted in the hole , the card having a black pinpoint that is at downside while inserting is it orrect
[14:23] <Lynoure> raju: usually with SD cards if it goes in, it's correct as the corner is notched
[14:25] <raju> Lynoure, yeah you are correct , if i insert it in other side it is not going
[14:26] <raju> Lynoure, then why there is no any change in dmesg
[14:26] <raju> Lynoure, what is the package require to make it detect
[14:26] <tech0007> can anyone tell me how to convert sda to hda?
[14:26] <Lynoure> raju: FYI, I'm not an ubuntu-dev :)
[14:27] <raju> Lynoure, ok, but you already worked with smart card , that is enough to share with me
[14:27] <Lynoure> raju: Like I said before, without knowing the manufacturer of better yet the chipset your reader user, it's hard to speculate
[14:28] <raju> Lynoure, shall i send you the hwinfo to you
[14:28] <Lynoure> raju: with the symptoms you have now, the reader could be even physically broken
[14:29] <krt> anyone here upgraded hardy today and got a lot of dependency issues?
[14:30] <zniavre> just one
[14:30] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/213863
[14:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0" [High,Fix released]
[14:30] <mewt> krt, updated today but got only 1, one about launchpad integration
[14:30] <krt> nautilus, gnome-control-center and several other core gnome packages are buggered on my system
[14:30] <krt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/213941
[14:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213941 in ubuntu "Package dependency issues after standard upgrade to Hardy (April 8)" [Undecided,New]
[14:30] <zniavre> ho yes yesterddy i got this one
[14:31] <krt> do you think this is a problem?
[14:32] <zniavre> i did the update untill it unsintall everything and reinstalled ubuntu-desktop
[14:32] <krt> i've seen such issues happen such as the one you have involving a few packages but basically everything related to gnome has been removed or depends on something which is removed and cannot install
[14:32] <LjL> can anyone with a hardy CD handy give me the default package selection?
[14:32] <LjL> (or, is there some place where i can get the default package selection, but i doubt it)
[14:33] <krt> yeh, maybe i should just reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[14:33] <krt> off to sleep so i can always hope it gets fixed tomorrow
[14:34] <Lynoure> raju: you could, after all I asked about it earlier too... But now I'll be leaving in about 15min, might be better to turn to someone with more time
[14:34] <zniavre> what was funny the desktop loaded normally but empty and compiz was ON
[14:35] <raju> see the linkhttp://pastebin.com/m648496c1
[14:35] <raju> please just a min
[14:35] <raju> Lynoure, see the link http://pastebin.com/m648496c1
[14:36] <Lynoure> raju: uh.
[14:36] <raju> Lynoure, just take 5 min for me
[14:36] <Lynoure> raju: Thats 30+ screenfuls
[14:36] <Finnish_> Can someone help me with Transmission, I want to make a torrent and send the file to my friend
[14:36] <Davo_Dinkum> Anyone got Annodex working on ff3 beta5?
[14:37] <raju> Lynoure, i am not getting
[14:37] <Lynoure> raju: what you pasted it nearly 7000 lines long
[14:38] <raju> Lynoure, if you want to go , no prob.. will see tomorrow..., are u coming
[14:40] <Lynoure> raju: You'll get a lot further with this if you go and locate the card reader info and crop the file to the relevant bits... I'm probably not the only person who thinks their volunteer time is not well spend reading through extra long files looking for one line.
[14:41] <raju> Lynoure, ok
[14:42] <Lynoure> raju: you can alternatively check the laptop/motherboard/device documentation for it, too, if you cannot find it in the file
[14:42] <raju> Lynoure, ok i will check
[14:43] <mewt> painkiller, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/213863
[14:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0" [High,Fix released]
[14:43] <Lynoure> raju: if you do dualbooting, I'd recommend trying in the other OS, as I said, symptoms could be hw fault as well.
[14:44] <Painkiller> I have a problem with liblaunchpad-integration1 on 8.04RLC it broke 2 dependencies...
[14:45] <Painkiller> can somebody help?
[14:45] <mewt> Painkiller, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/213863
[14:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0" [High,Fix released]
[14:46] <Painkiller> that's it
[14:46] <raju> Lynoure, ok i do
[14:47] <Painkiller> thnks
[14:48] <Lynoure> raju: good, I hope it gets sorted out
[14:48] <raju> Lynoure, thanks
[14:52] <omar> Guys, what the best way to clean the source.list?
[14:52] <omar> *what's* the best way....
[14:55] <mindframe-> http://pastebin.com/m356a05bf - having a problem with the liblaunchpad-integration update from today
[14:55] <mindframe-> be back in 30 minutes
[14:59] <goodhabit> Hello. After updating I can see some shining around windows. What is that effect? How to switch on|off it?
[14:59] <goodhabit> It affects not all the windows btw.
[15:09] <erle-> everything is fixed again now
[15:10] <jaffarkelshac> doees anyone know the cad program nx by ugs, is there a version for ubuntu
[15:10] <markmuetz> hi guys, when upgrading i kept my old version of menu.lst, thinking that would keep my dual booting working properly
[15:11] <markmuetz> and now i can't boot using the new kernel
[15:11] <tikka> Hey guys
[15:12] <tikka> I have a few small issues with the beta, Installed 2 days ago.
[15:12] <Viden> ﻿Does anyone know of a good exchange server monitor addon for nagios ?
[15:12] <icanhashardy> Ok, who broke the package manager?
[15:12] <tikka> the one that i would like to resolve right now is the lack of cdrom
[15:12] <icanhashardy> Who did it? cmon, fess up!
[15:12] <markmuetz> first i tried rewriting menu.lst to point at the new kernel, but that didn't work
[15:13] <icanhashardy> liblaunch-integration1 is totally borked.
[15:13] <markmuetz> so then i tried running update-grub, and when rebooting it still hangs
[15:13] <fluteflute> I can post my menu.lst if you like so you know the kernel details
[15:13] <markmuetz> that would be cool
[15:14] <tikka> any ideas about resolving no cdrom,
[15:14] <Davo_Dinkum> http://image.bayimg.com/oajhnaabf.jpg
[15:15] <Davo_Dinkum> :o odd
[15:16] <fluteflute> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62516/
[15:18] <markmuetz> fluteflute: cheers, that looks pretty similar to mine though (bar different roots)
[15:19] <markmuetz> if I disable the boot options quiet and splash, booting hangs on a line "Begin: Waiting for root filesystem"
[15:20] <markmuetz> does that mean anything to anyone?
[15:20] <Jaymac> markmuetz: that happened to me, i changed to an older kernel and it worked fine...
[15:21] <Jaymac> markmuetz: my computer for some reason had -generic kernels and -386 kernels.. 386 kernels hung at that point, whilst generic kernels work fine
[15:22] <markmuetz> Jaymac: i'm using the generic kernel already
[15:22] <Jaymac> markmuetz: can you boot the older kernel?
[15:22] <markmuetz> Jaymac: and I can use an older kernel (i'm doing so now)
[15:22] <i2c4u> hi, i am currently testing hardy (beta) and there is no i2c-isa module. is it supposed to be that way?
[15:23] <Jaymac> markmuetz: hmm... do you want to compare menu.lst?
[15:23] <markmuetz> Jaymac: but I hit a problem when I try and fix my nvidia drivers, which also got broken in the upgrade
[15:23] <markmuetz> Jaymac: sure, i'll post it
[15:23] <Jaymac> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-15-generic root=UUID=load_of_chars ro quiet splash
[15:23] <jaffarkelshac> is anyone having a problem updateing launchpad integratin1
[15:24] <markmuetz> http://pastebin.com/m191f57e for the full thing
[15:25] <markmuetz> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-15-generic root=UUID=d0e... ro quiet splash
[15:26] <Jaymac> markmuetz: you've checked your UUID matches?
[15:26] <markmuetz> um, no
[15:27] <Jaymac> markmuetz: do a la -al /dev/disk/by-uuid
[15:27] <Jaymac> ls -al*
[15:27] <Jaymac> markmuetz: although i doubt that is your problem; the uuid for the 22 kernel is the same and it works
[15:28] <markmuetz> yeah, that's what i thought, the uuid matches up
[15:28] <Bonez> http://pastebin.com/m18243a86    <--- any chance someone could pls help with my aptitude problem?
[15:29] <markmuetz> is there any way to catch the output from booting?
[15:29] <Davo_Dinkum> markmuetz:
[15:29] <Davo_Dinkum> !bootchart
[15:29] <ubotu> bootchart charts your machine at boot time, to install >> sudo apt-get install bootchart << the graphic is in /var/log/bootchart after the next reboot
[15:30] <savvas> charts = logs? :P
[15:30] <markmuetz> cool, thanks
[15:30] <Davo_Dinkum> Bonez: apparently there is a bug with launchpad-intergration
[15:31] <Davo_Dinkum> !liblaunchpad-integration
[15:31] <Davo_Dinkum> !launchpad-integration
[15:31] <savvas> !info launchpad-integration
[15:31] <ubotu> launchpad-integration (source: launchpad-integration): launchpad integration. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1.16 (hardy), package size 11 kB, installed size 88 kB
[15:31] <savvas> !info python-launchpad-integration
[15:31] <ubotu> python-launchpad-integration (source: launchpad-integration): library for launchpad integration. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1.16 (hardy), package size 6 kB, installed size 112 kB
[15:32] <Davo_Dinkum> ah
[15:32] <Bonez> Davo_Dinkum: ok, thanks - is there any way I can work around this as it's stopping me from installing other packages...
[15:32] <Davo_Dinkum> dunno.
[15:33] <Bonez> buggah
[15:34] <Bonez> i'll see what happens tomorrow when i do another full update :)
[15:34] <Stormx2> Yeah
[15:34] <Stormx2> launchpad-integration is giving me problems too.
[15:34] <savvas> Bonez: no bug, just wait for the update, i got the right one
[15:34] <icanhashardy> I have a borked package on latest update. anyone care to help?
[15:34] <mewt> Bonez, there's a solution, hang on
[15:35] <mewt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/213863
[15:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0" [High,Fix released]
[15:35] <mewt> try this guys
[15:35] <icanhashardy> Ha, actually yeah i'm having similar issue to Bonez
[15:36] <Bonez> mewt, cool
[15:36] <mewt> check the link i gave you, comment 2 should fix it for ya guys
[15:36] <Bonez> icanhashardy: sweet. hope we can work it out together :)
[15:36] <icanhashardy> ty
[15:36] <savvas> no need for force-overwrite though
[15:37] <icanhashardy> ooo.. but force overwrite is fun!
[15:37] <DG19075> finding out liblaunchpad1 is bad on the is latest update
[15:37] <Tv> anyone know what's up with firefox-3.0?
[15:37] <savvas> it'd be easier to just revert back to the old python-launchpad-integration and then upgrade ;)
[15:37] <Tv> segfault on startup
[15:38] <DG19075> how to revert?
[15:38] <savvas> Tv: everything's fine here on ff3 beta 5
[15:38] <Tv> i'm gonna try disabling my profile, next
[15:38] <DG19075> ff3 beta 5 is gr8 here
[15:38] <Tv> but i kind of want my session back
[15:38] <Tv> 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[15:39] <mewt> Tv, everything fine on this side of the world..although firebug doesnt work anymore :'(
[15:39] <savvas> DG19075: do this, it's not downgrading but it works: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/213863/comments/2
[15:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0" [High,Fix released]
[15:39] <Stormx2> :) yay fixed
[15:40] <mewt> guys, i have a bluetooth headset which i'd like to use
[15:40] <savvas> Tv: same here, firefox: Installed: 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[15:40] <mewt> now, i downloaded blueman and it detects the headphoens and I paired with them np
[15:40] <mewt> also set my headphones for audio output from it
[15:40] <Tv> well -safe-mode with addons disabled is running for now
[15:41] <Tv> oh eww life without adblock :(
[15:41] <Bonez> mewt: cheers, worked a treat
[15:41] <mewt> they then tell you to do add a device in asoundrc for bluetooth and should work, I was wondering if it was posisble to get pulseaudio to detect my bluetooth headset and use it as a sink
[15:41] <mewt> Bonez, cool
[15:42] <Kliment> Hello everyone, I'm remotely troubleshooting a boot issue. The system is an Ubuntu LTS that was upgraded to 8.04. Live CD works fine, upgrade worked with no errors, but now it won't boot from the hard disk.
[15:42] <Kliment> The drive in question is an SATA drive.
[15:42] <Smegzor> hmm!  after receiving some updates about an hour ago, I can't start firefox anymore.  I have the broken package problem everyone's got atm.  Is firefox affected by that?
[15:42] <mewt> Smegzor, afaik no it's not
[15:42] <Tv> Smegzor: try -safe-mode and disable addons
[15:43] <Tv> Smegzor: that seems to be working for me
[15:43] <Tv> Smegzor: still hunting what the exact addon that fails is
[15:43] <Smegzor> Is your firefox broken too just now?
[15:43] <Tv> yes
[15:43] <Smegzor> hmm..  I have er..  1 or 2 (doz) addons :)
[15:43] <Kliment> Right after the install GRUB would claim there was a corrupt stage 2, so we reinstalled GRUB from the LiveCD and now it won't even get to stage 1.
[15:44] <esox> Hi, is it possible to update gutsy to hardy (studio version) without erasing gutsyh and installing hardy ?
[15:47] <_myrtille_> Hi :)
[15:47] <icanhashardy> mewt: fix indeed worked. thank you.
[15:47] <mewt> icanhashardy, great
[15:48] <icanhashardy> Kliment: i wouldn't take my advice on this, but you might want to have fdisk restore your mbr and then try reinstalling grub
[15:48] <Tv> Smegzor: apparently it's *not* CS Lite of Ubuntu Firefox Modifications
[15:49] <Smegzor> Tv: I haven't found the offending addon, but I've enabled all the addons I need anyway
[15:49] <Tv> Smegzor: and adblock isn't available at all for 3.0b5 :(
[15:49] <_myrtille_> I've tried to download hardy as a livecd today... :) Now i realise, i downloaded to iso-files, one called kubuntu with a size of 511kb and another called ubuntu with a "proper" size of roughly 650Mb.
[15:49] <Smegzor> I enabled that with nightly tester tools
[15:49] <_myrtille_> i'm wondering if this is "Normal" and how i make a kubuntu-livecd out of these 2 files
[15:50] <icanhashardy> privoxy with a good solid set of rules is a good alternative to adblock
[15:50] <hischild> _myrtille_, you can install the kubuntu-desktop package on the normal ubuntu installation, which will basically give you the same result (except that you'll have more programs)
[15:51] <jbroome> y
[15:51] <jbroome> sorry, was looking at something in another window. :)
[15:51] <_myrtille_> hischild: thx So this means i should just burn the ubuntu-cd and install kubuntu later on?
[15:51] <_myrtille_> hischild: I just need to test some stuff under hardy, i don't want to upgrade yet
[15:52] <hischild> _myrtille_, oh ... then you'll have to download the hardy live kubuntu cd. I was assuming a full install.
[15:53] <_myrtille_> hischild: ok, so i'll have to start over? no way of convincing the ubuntu-iso to become kubuntu?
[15:53] <Jaymac> _myrtille_: if it is only 511kb it isn't a full file.. the kubuntu beta iso is close to 700MB, and yes, you'll need to download it again
[15:53] <Jaymac> _myrtille_: no, the packages are different
[15:54] <hischild> _myrtille_, kubuntu ships with a lot of kde based programs, while the ubuntu cd ships with a lot of gnome based programs. While they will run on both desktops, the ubuntu cd won't become a kubuntu one i'm afraid.
[15:56] <nemo> yowzers. ubuntu is so close to final release.
[15:56] <nemo> somehow I get the feeling there will be a lot of backporting of gnome bits this iteration...
[15:56] <Davo_Dinkum> hmm, it played an audio cd before, but now it won't
[15:56] <_myrtille_> Jaymax:thx
[15:57] <AngryBacon> I can,t get my 8800gt to work  w/nvidia drivers, everything i try results in signal loss and the error (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[15:58] <Kliment> icanhashardy: There is only an ubuntu intall on it, nothing else.
[16:00] <Kliment> icanhashardy: so how do I restore the MBR?
[16:00] <AngryBacon> Kliment, sudo grub_install
[16:07] <Administrateur> hello! server x won't start at hardy
[16:07] <cwillu> Anybody being bitten by the 'niced tasks running under another user can still use 50% while other tasks are running' bug?
[16:07] <Administrateur> recovery mode won't work because /etc/X11 is read only
[16:07] <AngryBacon> I can,t get my 8800gt to work  w/nvidia drivers, everything i try results in signal loss and the error (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[16:07] <Kliment> AngryBacon: trying that now.
[16:08] <cwillu> Administrateur, sounds like you've got bigger problems, if root is mounted read only
[16:08]  * cwillu sighs
[16:08] <Davo_Dinkum> :o
[16:09] <cwillu> anybody else having cfs issues?
[16:09] <durnet> hi, x server won't start after update
[16:09] <Kliment> AngryBacon: sudo-install /dev/sda --recheck hangs after finding installation directory.
[16:10] <AngryBacon> sudo-install??
[16:10] <Kliment> AngryBacon: sudo grub-install, sorry
[16:11] <chloetwo> did kernel changed from one supplied in beta iso?
[16:11] <no0tic> chloetwo, yes
[16:11] <chloetwo> what is current version?
[16:12] <AngryBacon> do you have BIOS virus protection on?
[16:12] <jaffarkelshac> is anyone having a problem updateing launchpad integratin1
[16:12] <AngryBacon> Kliment,
[16:12] <Kliment> AngryBacon: Not that I know of, we managed to install this back when the previous LTS came out.
[16:12] <AngryBacon> sorry, g2g
[16:12] <netdur> dependencies being broken is what makes x server won't start?
[16:15] <icanhashardy> i have a very odd problem if someone would be willing to help
[16:15] <fluteflute> ﻿jaffarkelshac: there is a well known heavily reported bug - a fix has been released but it may take time for the servers to update themselves
[16:16] <jaffarkelshac> the update was just this afternoon
[16:16] <icanhashardy> gde won't load on boot. gets to login screen, then when i login just hangs. i can ctrl+alt+f1, rm /tmp/X0.* , and startx, but then when it starts (and it does work) i don't have DRI. the ONLY thing i changed was unchecked the box in Hardware Drivers marked "atheros wireless" something. any ideas?
[16:17] <fluteflute> ﻿jaffarkelshac: yes - the fix may not work for your instantly - try again in a few hours
[16:18] <diafygi> Hey all, I have a question about x11 in totem. Can I ask it here?
[16:20] <Esurnir> hello, sorry if that question has been asked 200 times but... Launchpad upgrade failing, is it normal or not ^__^; ?
[16:21] <netdur> icanhashardy: maybe http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=749171&highlight=broken+dependencies
[16:21] <diafygi> yes it is, there is a current bug report and a fix will be available in the repositories shortly
[16:21] <netdur> but I have read only system, how do I fix it?
[16:22] <Esurnir> thank you netdur
[16:23] <icanhashardy> Esurnir: downloading the .deb and dpkging manually followed by an apt-get -f install worked for me, there's a bug report link somewhere i can dig up
[16:23] <diafygi> the bug report for the broken dependencies is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/213863
[16:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0" [High,Fix released]
[16:23] <icanhashardy> oh, the link is there, lol
[16:24] <icanhashardy> Anyone care to take a shot at my odd gnome hanging problem stated above?
[16:25] <diafygi> it is fixed in liblaunchpad-integration1 version 0.1.19
[16:26] <CoasterMaster> is anyone else having problems with liblaunchpad-integration1 installing?
[16:26] <Esurnir> I'm still going to make a snapshot on this vm >.>
[16:26] <Esurnir> coastermaster> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=749171&highlight=broken+dependencies
[16:26] <icanhashardy> CoasterMaster: everyone, i think lol
[16:26] <CoasterMaster> oh boy so it's not just me!
[16:26] <icanhashardy> Esurnir: put it in the topic maybe...
[16:27] <jaffarkelshac> what is a good video editor that supports a lot of formats
[16:27] <icanhashardy> I'm blaming it on calc. i know he didn't do it but i'm sure it's his fault.
[16:27] <netdur> guys, I got read only file system, how I do install that deb?
[16:27] <Esurnir> uhhh a read only file system ?
[16:27] <vox> any advice on how to fix the liblaunchpad-integration0 broken package?
[16:27] <CoasterMaster> Esurnir, that did it thanks
[16:28] <icanhashardy> vox: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=749171&highlight=broken+dependencies
[16:28] <jaffarkelshac> vox, same problem
[16:28] <vox> cheers
[16:28] <icanhashardy> I can see it's going to be one of those days
[16:28] <netdur> Esurnir, yes, when it boot, it boot into ro fs
[16:28] <icanhashardy> SilverDawn: is you liblaunchpad-integration0 broken? :P
[16:28] <SilverDawn> ...
[16:29] <icanhashardy> SilverDawn: sorry, i think i'm just going to ask people as they join lol
[16:29] <SilverDawn> Im just updating now actually, But i never use launchpad intigration
[16:29] <SilverDawn> And that will piss people off
[16:29] <SilverDawn> So i wouldnt
[16:29] <icanhashardy> SilverDawn: was more of a joke. 3 people asked in like 8 seconds.
[16:29] <logophobia> hi, ever since the last gnome-* update, gnome panal is continuously crashing
[16:29]  * Esurnir make a snapshot called "upgrade of doom" and launch the dist-upgrade
[16:30] <diafygi> does anyone know how to enable x11 in gstreamer-properties?
[16:31] <SilverDawn> I seriously doubt the new upgrade breaks much, Atleast anythin i use :P
[16:32] <logophobia> is anyone else experiencing crashes with gnome-panel?
[16:32] <vox> icanhashardy: cheers, much appreciated
[16:33] <jaffarkelshac> !aptfix
[16:33] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[16:34] <jaffarkelshac> vox, did it get fixed
[16:34] <x1250> hey guys when booting udev tries to rename my wireless and that slows down boot time. Is there any fix at this time? Its annoying, but I can live with it.
[16:34] <bicyclist> Anyon know about this error ? Whenever i mount an usb drive there appear more and more entries there reading disk_ disk__ disk___ and so on.
[16:35] <icanhashardy> Here's a good one. I'm getting apic 40 errors about 100 a minute
[16:35] <vox> jaffarkelshac: sure did
[16:36] <jaffarkelshac> when you downloaded where did you place the .deb vox
[16:36] <vox> just in my home directory
[16:37] <vox> where you place it isnt really relevant
[16:37] <vox> just follow the instructions
[16:38] <jaffarkelshac> does not work if its on your desktop vox
[16:38] <vox> then move it to your home directory?
[16:38] <jaffarkelshac> already done, vox
[16:39] <jaffarkelshac> i thought you had to put it in /var/cache/apt/archives
[16:39] <vox> nah
[16:39] <Esurnir> put it in your home directory and do the command there
[16:39] <diafygi> version 0.1.19 of l﻿iblaunchpad-integration1 will fix the broken dependencies problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/213863
[16:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0" [High,Fix released]
[16:39] <omar> Guys, I have a problem installing the "liblaunchpad-integration1" package, it refuses to install.
[16:39] <vox> haha
[16:40] <Esurnir> omar: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=749171&highlight=broken+dependencies
[16:40] <vox> omar: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=749171&highlight=broken+dependencies
[16:40] <muszek> hi
[16:40] <vox> snap
[16:40] <jaffarkelshac> problem is alreay fixed
[16:40] <Esurnir> :P
[16:40] <SilverDawn> bah, synaptic hates me
[16:40] <Esurnir> no, he have a profound dislike in you
[16:40] <SilverDawn> lol
[16:40] <jaffarkelshac> i need a good video editor, any suggestions
[16:41] <SilverDawn> The 'broken' filter doesnt work right
[16:41] <muszek> I've just got a VPS with gutsy "minimal" installed.  I dist-upgraded to hardy right away.  It keeps complaining about "locale" not being set... how do I do that?
[16:42] <Gilou> muszek> export LC_ALL=en_US for example
[16:42] <muszek> Gilou: thanks
[16:42] <SilverDawn> lol lib launchpad is really fscked up
[16:42] <SilverDawn> xD
[16:42] <vox> SilverDawn: duh :P
[16:43] <SilverDawn> hmm, seems i successfully borked my system <3
[16:43] <SilverDawn> lol
[16:43] <vox> as opposed to unsuccessfully?
[16:43] <SilverDawn> Yes
[16:43] <SilverDawn> :)
[16:43] <vox> ic
[16:43] <muszek> Gilou: I still get "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory (same for LC_CTYPE and LC_MESSAGES) when I run "locale"
[16:43] <Gilou> ah
[16:43] <Gilou> it's probably not a locale configured for your system
[16:43] <rsk> dkpg reconfigue-locales ?
[16:43] <Gilou> try dpkg-reconfigure locales
[16:44] <Gilou> hyphen at the wrong place rsk ;)
[16:44] <muszek> Gilou, rsk: ty
[16:44] <diafygi> VERSION 0.1.19 OF LIBLAUNCHPAD-﻿INTEGRATION1 IS NOW IN THE REPOSITORIES, IT FIXES THE BROKEN DEPENDENCIES PROBLEM! UPDATE YOUR SYSTEM
[16:45] <SilverDawn> wtf... why is there two liblaunchpad integration in two seperate p[ackages
[16:45] <hydrogen> THANKS FOR USING CAPS TO ENSURE EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD IT
[16:45] <rsk> alrighty then..
[16:45] <axisys_> diafygi: ty
[16:45] <Pici> !caps
[16:45] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[16:45] <diafygi> no prob
[16:45] <hydrogen> IT MAKES THIS CHANNEL MUCH MORE PLEASANT
[16:45] <axisys_> lol
[16:45] <Sergeant_Pony> LOL
[16:45] <diafygi> haha
[16:45] <SilverDawn> I cant currently upgrade cuz i broke shit, But thanks anyways :D
[16:45] <SilverDawn> lol
[16:45] <muszek> Gilou: http://pastebin.us/?show=d306cb9c8
[16:46] <vox> IM NOT SHOUTING, IM JUST A COBOL PROGRAMMER
[16:46] <muszek> :)
[16:46] <jbroome> *stab*
[16:46] <vox> heh
[16:46] <icanhashardy> ha, that's actually funny
[16:47] <SilverDawn> Hrm. Is there a way to force a removal of a program?
[16:47] <SilverDawn> Im thinkin, Im just gona remove liblaunchpad
[16:48] <vox> why
[16:48] <vox> force-overwrite didnt fix it?
[16:48] <Gilou> that's all it does?
[16:49] <vox> there's about 20 apps that list it as a dependancy
[16:49] <SilverDawn> force-overwrite is what flag
[16:49] <vox> SilverDawn: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=749171&highlight=broken+dependencies
[16:49] <vox> easy, easy fix
[16:50] <jaffarkelshac> very, and place the deb in home folder
[16:52] <SilverDawn> ahh there we go :)
[16:52] <SilverDawn> Thanks
[16:52] <vox> <3
[16:52] <SilverDawn> brb
[16:53] <LibertyShadow> I sure wish Adblock Plus would work on FF3 b5
[16:53] <Brownout> the nigthly build does
[16:54] <jbroome> what i need is the x86_64 build of lightning for TB
[16:54] <vox> anyone know how to completely remove the accessabilities apps? mousekeys keeps turning itself on every 2-3 days..
[16:54] <SilverDawn> back
[16:56] <SilverDawn> Thats the reason i hate ubuntu sometimes, Not the fact that it breaks, But if you wanna remove one little package, It tries to remove the rest of your damn system
[16:56] <SilverDawn> lol
[16:57] <icanhashardy> not with apt-get remove...
[16:57] <hydrogen> yes
[16:57] <hydrogen> with apt-get remove
[16:57] <hydrogen> ubuntu likes to outthink you
[16:57] <icanhashardy> .... i've never ran into that
[16:57] <CoasterMaster> I just let my computer think for me
[16:57] <SilverDawn> icanhashardy, try to remove.... -thinks of a package-
[16:58] <muszek> Gilou: I had to do sudo locale-gen "en_US.UTF-8"
[16:58] <SilverDawn> try to remove the program we were jsut having a problem with :)
[16:58] <hydrogen> its nice when I decide to remove somethingsmall and utilityish
[16:58] <SilverDawn> liblaunchpad-integration0
[16:58] <X3N> Has anyone experienced problems with rhythmbox and plparser, after a dist upgrade it whined about "rhythmbox: error while loading shared libraries: libtotem-plparser.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[16:58] <hydrogen> and the list of things to remove grows all over tha place
[16:58] <icanhashardy> SilverDawn: well yeah but that makes sense
[16:58] <hydrogen> like mysql, kdelibs, kdebase, gcc...
[16:58] <SilverDawn> icanhashardy, no it doesnt
[16:59] <icanhashardy> SilverDawn: i mean those packages are functionless without liblaunchpad
[16:59] <X3N> I've fixed it by symlinking the libs..  ln -s /usr/lib/libtotem-plparser.so.10 /usr/lib/libtotem-plparser.so.7 , but am wondering if anyone else had this problem
[16:59] <SilverDawn> icanhashardy, you mean to tell me xchat is functionless without liblaunchpad?
[16:59] <SilverDawn> I seriously doubt that
[16:59] <hydrogen> you probably need to update totem X3N
[16:59] <icanhashardy> SilverDawn: didn't remove xchat here
[16:59] <hydrogen> symlinking libraries with different SONAMES is a really bad idea
[17:00] <X3N> totem is the newest version
[17:00] <hydrogen> X3N: then its a bug report that should be filed
[17:00] <X3N> well, i know it's a hack, but its that or rb doesn't work
[17:00] <hydrogen> symlinking is still a very good way to break things
[17:00] <icanhashardy> and i simulated, dont' worry i'm not that dumb, heh.
[17:01] <vox> weird
[17:01] <X3N> hydrogen, it's not a problem for now, which is all that matters
[17:01] <vox> the program that calls the assitive technologies doesnt show up in synaptic
[17:01] <vox> but.. it's installed
[17:01] <icanhashardy> SilverDawn: if it's that big of a deal go use Arch :P
[17:02] <SilverDawn> ... pacmans a joke
[17:02] <hydrogen> all packagemangement on linux is a joke
[17:02] <vox> how the hell can a program be installed and not show up in synaptic
[17:03] <icanhashardy> hydrogen: but it's all 100 times better than the way windows handles 'packages', or lack there of
[17:03] <icanhashardy> vox: if it's not in the repositories? :P
[17:03] <vox> no, even if you install a 3rd-party deb, it'll still show up
[17:04] <vox> this is a key part of gnome
[17:04] <hydrogen> icanhashardy: except its possible to remove a package on windows without having half of the programs installed be deleted
[17:04] <vox> yet there's nothing on it
[17:04] <Pici> vox: What package?
[17:04] <vox> Pici: thats the thing, i have nfi what package it comes from, but the app is gnome-at-properties
[17:05] <icanhashardy> hydrogen: i greatly disagree. removing windows programs removes many "libraries" of "dlls" etc which are in effect the same types of packages that get removed when you remove a package :P
[17:06] <hydrogen> icanhashardy: except each packages its own copy of said libraries
[17:06] <hydrogen> which is not ideal
[17:06] <hydrogen> but at least you don't break half yours ystem
[17:07] <vox> Pici: ah, it's part of gnome-control-center
[17:07] <Prefix> Am i meant to config my pulseaudio in anyway? Because my music lags every few seconds.
[17:08] <icanhashardy> hydrogen: i've never borked anything not easily fixable by removing a package
[17:08] <zniavre> does libcairo2 supose to do something with awn.?
[17:08] <Pici> vox: I was going to suggest to use apt-file to search for it.
[17:10] <vox> just wish i knew why it randomly turns the assistive technologies on every few days
[17:10] <Pici> vox: I remember seeing an update for mousetweaks, that may have inadvertantly done it.
[17:10] <Prefix> Is pulseaudio laggy for anyone else?
[17:10] <vox> Pici: it's been like this since gutsy
[17:11] <Pici> vox: oh. Weird.
[17:11] <vox> Pici: yeah
[17:11] <icanhashardy> Prefix: _everyone_ else.
[17:11] <vox> i dont much fancy a clean install
[17:12] <icanhashardy> my gde won't load on boot. gets to login screen, then when i login just hangs. i can ctrl+alt+f1, rm /tmp/X0.* , and startx, but then when it starts (and it does work) i don't have DRI. the ONLY thing i changed was unchecked the box in Hardware Drivers marked "atheros wireless" something. any ideas?
[17:12] <Prefix> icanhashardy: Then why is it in hardy if its inferior to what was in gutsy? Or is it being worked on?
[17:12] <icanhashardy> Prefix: well in gutsy, many cards just plain didn't work.
[17:12] <icanhashardy> Prefix: supporting something laggy is easier than supporting no sound, i suppose.
[17:13] <Prefix> lol
[17:13] <Lunar_Lamp> Hmm, how can I test for lagging sound? I haven't noticed it.
[17:13] <Prefix> play a song Lunar_Lamp, and see if it stops for a split second ever few seconds
[17:14] <Prefix> every*
[17:14] <Lunar_Lamp> Oh, no, not at all.
[17:14] <Prefix> really?
[17:14] <Prefix> its driving me crazy :/, what card you got?
[17:14]  * icanhashardy is using ALSA atm...
[17:14] <Lunar_Lamp> Hmm, well, I'm listening to music in amarok at the moment without issue.
[17:14] <mluser-work> join #centos
[17:14] <mluser-work> ooops
[17:15] <icanhashardy> i wonder how many people just did
[17:15] <mluser-work> my bad.. sorry
[17:15] <vox> i had to use centos once
[17:15] <icanhashardy> lol i'm just easily amused.
[17:15] <vox> i felt unclean :(
[17:15] <mluser-work> unfortunately.. I have to use it for work :(
[17:15] <calc> hmm powerpc failed the OOo build again :(
[17:16] <calc> i'll have to do one last upload next week to rip out java for it, and hope it works good enough
[17:16] <vox> i have to use rh and fc at work
[17:16] <icanhashardy> calc: i heard. i think you broke liblaunchpad-integration0 too ;)
[17:16] <calc> icanhashardy: huh?
[17:16] <calc> icanhashardy: i didn't touch that, so not sure how i broke it
[17:16] <icanhashardy> calc: a jest. calm down lol.
[17:16] <calc> icanhashardy: heh :P
[17:17] <vox> rh/fc make baby jesus cry
[17:17] <icanhashardy> vox: amen
[17:17]  * Pici points at topic
[17:17] <icanhashardy> Pici: can't see it, too far up ;)
[17:26] <gatestone> What has changed in audi since Gutsy? Is there a document?
[17:26] <gatestone> audio
[17:26] <icanhashardy> PulseAudio...
[17:27] <jbroome> there's a changelog on the ubuntu site
[17:29] <icanhashardy> so if i can't get gdm to boot after login. is there a log somewhere i can debug it in?
[17:29] <gatestone> Does PulseAudio need updates to legacy software (SIP clients, Skype, media players,...)
[17:30] <gatestone> Will PulseAudio explain to me why my laptop mic feedbacks with my speakers even if no sound using softwate is running :-(
[17:31] <gatestone> software
[17:31] <gatestone> On Gutsy with ALSA that is.
[17:31] <icanhashardy> gatestone: well hopefully it will fix it
[17:32] <icanhashardy> brb, must reboot
[17:32] <jbroome> my hardy desktop has been up for a week with daily updates.  I'm kinda scared to reboot. :)
[17:32] <pen> anyone know why FF3 b5 always close unexpectedly?
[17:32] <fluteflute> jbroome: take the plunge and go for it! :-D
[17:33] <pen> very random
[17:33] <vox> jbroome: scared why?
[17:33] <david> pen: I've had that with every firefox
[17:33] <jbroome> vox: well, it's working fine right now: X, sound, printing, OOo, everything.
[17:33] <david> azureus too
[17:34] <david> for some reason ubuntu fails to close those applications correctly every time
[17:34] <jbroome> After i'm done with this client writeup i'll reboot.  I've got my laptop if everything is pooched. :)
[17:34] <pen> david: well, for me it's bit different. FF close unexpectedly with certain tabs on
[17:35] <david> I've had this from 7.04, 7.10 and now with the 8.4 beta
[17:35] <gatestone> Does Skype video work on Hardy?
[17:35] <david> *04
[17:35] <vox> jbroome: i've been rebooting once every 2 or so days(for other reasons) and i havent had any issues
[17:35] <pen> david: if I close some tabs during startup then FF won't close during loading
[17:35] <david> ah, ok
[17:35] <david> I misunderstood :)
[17:35] <gatestone> Or other videoconferencing tools?
[17:36] <gatestone> Does PulseAudio still have this confusing array of million audio devices in the mixer?
[17:37]  * Gilou hasn't tried pulseaudio that much
[17:37] <fluteflute> pen: i'm having this issue with fx3 and haven't had it before (with fx2)
[17:37] <mohamed_> hello all, everyday i join i find discusion about pulseaudio :)
[17:37] <Gilou> thing looks promising though :p
[17:37] <pen> fluteflute: I think this is a bug in FF, has anyone reported this before?
[17:38] <mohamed_> if  pulseaudio  work well with anyone can tell me how to control voulme ?
[17:38] <savvas> pen: i remember someone earlier complaining about sigsev and crash on each start of firefox
[17:38] <gatestone> mohamed, thatäs because sound sucks on Linux. Or at least it used to suck.
[17:38] <pen> savvas: no, my FF just close on it's own again. grrr.......
[17:39] <aguitel> i installed hardy beta ,how upgrade to final hardy ?
[17:39] <savvas> pen: no crashes in /var/crash/ ? nautilus /var/crash/
[17:39] <fluteflute> pen: i believe it is a flash issue
[17:40] <fluteflute> pen: bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/104470
[17:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104470 in flashplugin-nonfree "[Feisty] Firefox crashed -- libflashplayer.so" [High,Incomplete]
[17:40] <mohamed_> gatestone, yes before hardy sound at least was working well with alsa and i can control everything now volume is very low and i don't know how to make it a littile bit higher
[17:40] <pen> fluteflute: is it with pulseaudio?
[17:40] <savvas> aguitel: easy, system > administration > software sources > download from: choose "main server" > click close > click reload > then run update manager to update
[17:40] <pen> fluteflute: I used the patched flash.so
[17:41] <aguitel> savvas: thankz
[17:41] <mohamed_> at least for me i don't kow what pulseaudio can add for me if not how can i back to alsa and remove pulseaudio ?
[17:41] <pen> savvas: where can I find the log? /car/crash?
[17:41] <pen> savvas: where can I find the log? /var/crash?
[17:42] <savvas> hehe
[17:42] <savvas> yes pen, do: nautilus /var/crash/
[17:42] <fluteflute> pen: i'm using pulseaudio if thats what you're asking?
[17:42] <pen> savvas: hm, no crashes for FF b 5
[17:42] <savvas> there should be a firefox crash report there, a .crash file
[17:42] <savvas> ah ok
[17:42] <pen> fluteflute: did you use the patched libflash.so?
[17:42] <pen> savvas: there is one for b4
[17:42] <pen> savvas: not for b5
[17:42] <savvas> pen: did you try running firefox from terminal? maybe there's an error in the output
[17:42] <fluteflute> pen: no - i haven't changed anything there
[17:43] <fluteflute> pen: i don't know anything about it
[17:43] <pen> savvas: no, I'm trying it now
[17:43] <pen> fluteflute: patched flash.so let flash 9 uses pulseaudio
[17:43] <Kliment> Is it safe to run an update at the moment or will things still break?
[17:43] <HardyHeron> i updated HH and i have 2 broken  packages. i cant seem to  fix.. any ideas
[17:43] <aguitel> what is pulseaudio?
[17:44] <fluteflute> pen: where do i get it?
[17:44] <savvas> Kliment: update tomorrow, you'll be much safer
[17:44] <fluteflute> pen: got to go now - will check back later
[17:44] <pen> fluteflute: it's on the pulseaudio perfect setup page
[17:44] <pen> fluteflute: search google
[17:45] <pen> fluteflute: k
[17:45] <aguitel> HardyHeron: it happend with me ,see in google there is way to fix it
[17:45] <pen> savvas: hm, I see some errors
[17:45] <HardyHeron> aguitel:   can you give me a link plz
[17:45] <pen> savvas: (firefox:12533): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[17:45] <bkoch> I have a problem still need to figure out how to EXACTLY reproduce it, but when I watch a show in VLC often when I open another show up in VLC afterwards there is no sound, tried restarting also and killing all sound processes but that didnt appear to work
[17:45] <pen> savvas: it appears several times before Seg Fault
[17:45] <savvas> pen: whatever you see, use http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu to report it if it's not already reported
[17:46] <aguitel> HardyHeron: i lost
[17:47] <HardyHeron> plz look again
[17:47] <Sergeant_Pony> pen according to the wiki it say's to edit asound.conf... I don't have one on 8.04
[17:47] <pen> Sergeant_Pony: create one
[17:48] <Sergeant_Pony> pen, ok
[17:49] <aguitel> HardyHeron: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4676901
[17:49] <HardyHeron> ty
[17:52] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[17:52] <pen> savvas: looks to me the problem probably lies within the addons I installed
[17:52] <pen> savvas: GMarks
[17:52] <MilhousePunkRock> After the last reboot, my /dev/input/by-id has disappeared. So my mouse does not work anymore
[17:54] <HardyHeron> aguitel:   i see the info but am not getting the fix
[17:56] <aguitel> HardyHeron:
[17:56] <aguitel> Confirmed. A possible workaround should be the following:
[17:56] <aguitel> 1. Download http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/poo....1.18_i386.deb
[17:56] <aguitel> 2. Install this package manually with the following commands: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.18_i386.deb
[17:56] <aguitel> 3. sudo apt-get -f install or sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:56] <jaffarkelshac> cd to where the deb file is
[17:58] <HardyHeron> a im seeing that
[18:06] <esox> is the definitive version of hardy available ?
[18:06] <Unksi> esox: what do you mean with definitive version?
[18:06] <esox> or is it still a beta version (I had some bugs when I tried it)
[18:06] <Unksi> beta..
[18:07] <Unksi> its to release in 17 days or something like that
[18:07] <Pici> esox: The release is not until the 24th.
[18:07] <Pici> !schedule
[18:07] <ubotu> A shedule of Hardy Heron (8.04) release dates can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[18:07] <esox> Unksi: I mean that I had some bugs (removable disk dont mount on desktop for instance)
[18:07] <Unksi> atleast usb stick does here, on kde
[18:07] <cycom> I am amazed at how much DOES work in Hardy.
[18:07] <Unksi> though, i have desktop icons totally disabled.. :D
[18:08] <esox> Unksi: where do you enable it ?
[18:08] <cycom> the only problems I've run into is with my sound card, a known (probably kernel) bug, and suspend to ram.
[18:09] <esox> Unksi: is it possible to update gutsy to hardy beta without installing frm scratch ?
[18:10] <pen> esox: what do you mean by start from scratch?
[18:11] <esox> pen: put the hardy-studio CD in and install over gutsy with erasing partitions...
[18:11] <Unksi> esox: i think you can upgrade with some kind of beta switch, dunno what it is though
[18:12] <pen> esox: you can upgrade from gusty to hardy with update manager
[18:12] <pen> esox: no need of CD
[18:12] <esox> because in fact I have a mouse pointer corruption on gutsy and maybe it is solved on  hardy...
[18:12] <Pici> If you have to ask how...
[18:12] <DKong> is it normal to have 100 updates every few days?
[18:12] <Pici> Yes.
[18:13] <cyclonut> DKong: those are the updates that come about from all those bug reports you've been submitting :)
[18:13] <DKong> is this normal after the os is out of beta too?
[18:13] <rsk> DKong: no
[18:13] <Unksi> DKong: no, it will slow down after the release
[18:13] <esox> pen: do I need to open special repositories to update to hardy ?
[18:13] <cvd-pr> It there away to make firefox fonts to look great
[18:13] <DKong> ok just curious thanks for the info
[18:13] <rsk> cvd-pr: what's great?
[18:14] <pen> esox: no, all you need is a command and I'm searching for that. I used that way to upgrade too
[18:14] <rsk> i think they look nice
[18:14] <cvd-pr> looks bad
[18:14] <Unksi> esox: kmenu -> system settings -> desktop -> behaviour -> show icons on desktop
[18:14] <rsk> ok what is bad cvd-pr ?
[18:14] <cyclonut> cvd-pr: I quite like the fonts
[18:14] <pen> esox: but I still suggest you do a backup before upgrade
[18:14] <pen> esox: for safety reason
[18:14] <cyclonut> esox: I second the backup
[18:14] <esox> pen: what backup utility do you suggest ?
[18:15] <cyclonut> esox: I use an external hdd
[18:15] <cvd-pr> it hurt my eyes no matter what font i choose
[18:15] <cyclonut> esox: and just copy what I need
[18:15] <Prefix_> cvd-pr - upload a screenshot to imageshack
[18:15] <cvd-pr> but the os fonts are ok
[18:15] <esox> cyclonut: what do you mean ?
[18:15] <pen> esox: use dd
[18:15] <pen> esox: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Dd
[18:15] <DKong> is there anything like timemachine for mac on ubuntu?
[18:16] <pen> esox: use appropriate command, I would recommand you use the image one in this case
[18:16] <cyclonut> esox: I selectively backup, i.e. I copy my entire "home" directory, less media, to my external hdd
[18:16] <cvd-pr> the fonts look, too big or to little or to blur
[18:16] <cvd-pr> no perfect
[18:16] <pen> esox: however, remember if you want to use the bit-by-but copy
[18:16] <Prefix_> cvd-pr, upload a screenshot
[18:16] <pen> esox: the destination partition should have the same size as the original
[18:17] <cvd-pr> na
[18:17] <cyclonut> DKong: dude. I googled "Ubuntu Time Machine" and this was the first result: http://lifehacker.com/software/featured-linux-download/timevault-time-machine-for-linux-275399.php
[18:17] <pen> esox: or it would copy multiple bits depends on the size of the destination
[18:17] <cyclonut> I know you own a googler too :-P
[18:17] <DKong> cool thanks
[18:17] <pen> esox: this is the link to upgrade, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[18:18] <pen> esox: hope those helps
[18:18] <pen> esox: :)
[18:18] <cyclonut> DKong: google next time before asking. You must learn to help yourself.
[18:18] <cvd-pr> Hey what are the default font in firefox?
[18:18] <cvd-pr> i changed
[18:19] <enyc> cvd-pr: i thought there is a 'restore defaults' button
[18:19] <enyc> cvd-pr: could be wrong
[18:19] <cvd-pr> yesm but retore all setting not fonts only
[18:20] <enyc> cvd-pr: ok erm you could do this... a) close firefox completely... b) remove the .mozilla directory... c) start firefox... note settings you want... d) clase firefox completely .... e) remove .mozilla dir, f) restore old .mozilla dir to original place
[18:20] <cvd-pr> what the heck, a 150mb update :-(
[18:20] <nareshov> Is something wrong with hardy's grub? I installed freebsd along and I can't boot into it using grub. It recognises (hd0,1,a) as jfs (it's ufs)
[18:20] <enyc> robilive: errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr b) should be *rename*
[18:21] <enyc> cvd-pr: err b) should be *rename*
[18:21] <DKong> ok i will
[18:21] <robilive> :D
[18:21] <enyc> robilive: wrong person ;p
[18:21] <cvd-pr> but can you look to firefox theme and tell me the defaults fonts?
[18:21] <robilive> yes enyc but don't worry, be happy :P
[18:22] <enyc> robilive: im trying.. runing into a spot of bother with that
[18:22] <enyc> cvd-pr: but if you rename .mozilla you will be able to see yourself
[18:22] <enyc> cvd-pr: then you can put it back afterwards
[18:22] <cvd-pr> o ok
[18:23] <cvd-pr> serif
[18:24] <enyc> cvd-pr: you might want to press printscreen
[18:24] <kane77> hmm.. how do I upgrade? the update-manager -d does not work... it says current dist not found in meta-release file...
[18:24] <enyc> kane77: worked for me ;p
[18:24] <kane77> enyc, for me too on one of my computer, not on the other :/
[18:24] <enyc> kane77: do you have an odd /etc/apt/sources.list ??
[18:25] <kane77> I don't think so.. I believe I haven't added anything to it...
[18:25] <kane77> I will check to make sure..
[18:29] <kane77> shouldn't the problem be that there are upgrades available for it?
[18:29] <cvd-pr> http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotyk1.png
[18:31]  * cyclonut doesnt see the problem
[18:31] <cyclonut> cvd-pr: is it possible your eyes are hurting because your theme is very bright?
[18:31] <mrtimdog> Any pointers for booting from USB stick? Wiki pages, etc.? :)
[18:31] <pen> cyclonut: how bright do you mean? white?
[18:32] <pen> cyclonut: you can change the brightness of your monitor
[18:32] <cvd-pr> nopt, cuz OS fonts dont hurt me
[18:32] <cyclonut> pen: Im talking about the black on white style of cvd's theme
[18:32] <cvd-pr> nautilus etc... it just firefox
[18:32] <aguitel> what is the difference between main server and other servers?
[18:32] <pen> cyclonut: i see
[18:32] <cyclonut> cvd-pr: I think you are being a bit nitpicky... I dont see a darned thing wrong with that screenshot
[18:34] <cyclonut> cvd-pr: what is wrong, besides "not perfect"
[18:34] <Ienorand> firefox 3 being generally slow, is that some known bug?
[18:34] <cyclonut> pen: pointing out that I can change my monitor brightness... sheeeesh ;)
[18:35] <cyclonut> Ienorand: its been generally fast for me
[18:35] <pen> lol
[18:35] <cvd-pr> something slook too big or too small, or to tigh
[18:35] <Ienorand> I am comparing to ff2 in XP, and the difference is _miles_
[18:36] <mohamed_> Ienorand,  firefox 3.0 look faster than 2 for me also
[18:36] <Ienorand> in favour of ff2 in XP :(
[18:36] <kane77> Ienorand, hmm that's weird, for me it is the other way
[18:36] <cvd-pr> check this http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1ek6.png
[18:37] <Ienorand> ...right, good to now it's something wrong and not how it's meant to be at least...
[18:38] <aguitel> what is the difference between main server and other servers?
[18:40] <cyclonut> aguitel: the main server gets updated first, then updates are propegated to the other servers
[18:40] <kane77> Ienorand, generally FF3 is supposed to be faster and less memory hugry than FF2
[18:40] <cyclonut> aguitel: it is a method of reducing load
[18:40] <aguitel> cyclonut: thankz
[18:40] <cvd-pr> how to go to the trash in command line?
[18:41] <Pici> cvd-pr: cd ~/.Trash
[18:41] <aguitel> cvd-pr: sudo nautilus
[18:41] <icanhas> cvd-pr: ls -a <-- will show all folders including hidden
[18:41] <cvd-pr> the problem i that the first simbol dont work
[18:41] <cvd-pr> in my keyboard
[18:41] <cvd-pr> :-(
[18:41] <Pici> cvd-pr: cd /home/youruser/.Trash/ then
[18:41] <icanhas> cvd-pr: just navigate to home (which you should be in default), then cd .Trash
[18:42] <icanhas> lol i love how there are 100 answers for every question
[18:42] <cvd-pr> i dont have .trahs in my home
[18:42] <Ienorand> kane77: Yea, that's why I'm a tad worried
[18:42] <icanhas> cvd-pr: Capital T, .Trash
[18:42] <Pici> cvd-pr: Its case sensitive.
[18:43] <cvd-pr> i dont have anythin wint T t
[18:43] <enyc> cvd-pr: if you are using Nautilus file viewer or "ls" it will not show it as its hidden (starts with ".") -- if you "cd .trash" that wont work either because its ".Trash" not ".trash"
[18:43] <enyc> cvd-pr: no its ".Trash" not "Trash"
[18:43] <enyc> cvd-pr: and its normally hidden from listings because it starts with "."
[18:43] <cvd-pr> sameting thing
[18:44] <icanhas> wait, if there's nothing in it doesn't gde remove the folder on boot?
[18:44] <cvd-pr>  there not any .T, .t
[18:44] <cyclonut> cd .trash
[18:44] <cyclonut> oops bad guess
[18:44] <cyclonut> dunno
[18:44] <enyc> cvd-pr: *how* exactly are you looking for this? explain?
[18:44] <cvd-pr> home, show hidden files, .T or .t
[18:44] <jaffarkelshac> i am looking for video editors, has anyone used cinerella
[18:45] <icanhas> cvd-pr: if you have nothing in the trash bin, /.Trash will not exist
[18:45] <enyc> cvd-pr: puzzling ;.
[18:45] <enyc> cvd-pr: puzzling ;p
[18:45] <cvd-pr> i have thing in th trash right now
[18:46] <cvd-pr> in the trash applet
[18:46] <cvd-pr> trash:///
[18:47] <Pici> oh
[18:47]  * Pici thinks
[18:47] <cvd-pr> i never has thing a .trash in my home
[18:47] <Alan_> Hmmm, is it normal to have issues booting off reiserfs?
[18:47] <cvd-pr> seen
[18:47] <icanhas> Alan_: in a perfect world, no.
[18:47] <Alan_> icanhas, using a Hardy beta install?
[18:47] <jaffarkelshac> i am looking for video editors, has anyone used cinerella
[18:47] <Alan_> heh
[18:48] <Alan_> I just did an install with a reiserfs root partition, and i get GRUB error 17
[18:48] <Alan_> (cannot mount ... blah)
[18:48] <icanhas> Alan_: external harddrive?
[18:48] <Alan_> icanhas, no, but not the "first" hard drive tha the bios sees either
[18:49] <icanhas> Alan_: when grub gives you options to boot, hit 'e'
[18:49] <Alan_> Also, i have to boot in safe graphics mode with a 7600GT on 64-bit
[18:49] <icanhas> Alan_: then change the harddrive/partition to the one it's on, ie: if it says (0,1), you might have to change it to (1,1)
[18:49] <cvd-pr> why i have 4 items in the trash applet but i dont have a .trash in my home?
[18:49] <Alan_> icanhas, it doesn't give me any options...
[18:49] <Alan_> trying to boot straight away i think
[18:49] <icanhas> Alan_: then can you pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst please?
[18:49] <Alan_> i'm going to mount the partition from a livecd
[18:50] <macogw> who's having X breakage after today's updates?  what graphics driver are you using?
[18:50] <xx0xx> hello i changed my hostname now i having problem.. sudo: unable to lookup x0x.shellhosts.net via gethostbyname()
[18:50] <macogw> i just saw emails on the devel discuss list, and i wanna see if it's affecting intel or not before i abort the uopdate
[18:50] <xx0xx> how do i fix this problem now?
[18:50] <macogw> xx0xx: you have to log out and back in
[18:50] <mohamed_> macogw, i update but not start yet i hope everything work after that :)
[18:50] <Pici> cvd-pr: It appears that the Trash location changed with gvfs.  Try looking in ~/.local/share/Trash/
[18:51] <cvd-pr> ok let me check
[18:51] <macogw> Pici: there should be a symlink for that, IMO
[18:51] <icanhas> Pici: that's interesting. i didn't realize that
[18:51] <icanhas> trash
[18:51] <cvd-pr> Pici,  yes there
[18:51] <icanhas> !trash
[18:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trash - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:52] <cvd-pr> :-)
[18:52] <Prefix_> speaking of the trash can, is the icon not waaaaay to big when on a panel now?
[18:52] <cvd-pr> Thanks
[18:52] <Alan_> icanhas, could this be the problem maybe?  i think i've seen it before... when booting from CD, then the first disk is the first disk, but when booting from a disk the first disk is the one you boot from?
[18:52] <Prefix_> nvr mind
[18:52] <Prefix_> just realised its been fixed
[18:53] <bluefoxx> why have the new updates changed my IDE hard drive from /dev/hda to /dev/sdf??
[18:53] <icanhas> Alan_: sort of something like that.
[18:53] <icanhas> bluefoxx: you have ide harddrives listed as scusi? that's probably bad, heh.
[18:53] <bluefoxx> icanhas: i have refular scsi rdrives in my system too
[18:54] <icanhas> Alan_: basically correct. that's why when booting from a flash drive or external harddrive you have to change it to (0,1), even tho the internal harddrive is 0, when you boot from the external one it becomes 0.
[18:54] <bluefoxx> icanhas: and as i recall USB drives showed up and /dev/sd*
[18:54] <cvd-pr> Hey how to remove 2 folders at the same time
[18:54] <cvd-pr> in the command
[18:54] <Pici> cvd-pr: just put them both there
[18:54] <macogw> Pici: really?
[18:54] <cvd-pr> the 2 folders are in the same place
[18:54] <icanhas> i prefer to use shred ;)
[18:54] <macogw> bluefoxx: that changed in gutsy
[18:54] <cvd-pr> sudo rm -R
[18:55] <Pici> macogw: rm -r folder1/ folder2/
[18:55] <macogw> bluefoxx: all drives are /dev/sd* since ...actually the update first happened in feisty
[18:55] <cvd-pr> sudo rm -R  folder1 folder2  ?
[18:55] <cvd-pr> o ok
[18:55] <bluefoxx> macd: o? i havent used a usb device since my sansa was stolen
[18:55] <Pici> cvd-pr: Theres no need to use sudo unless you are sure you need it
[18:55] <Alan_> icanhas, well, the interesting thing is i'm never getting a menu, but i think i might have told the installer to put the MBR on hd0, which of course is the wrong one when booted from CD :(
[18:55] <icanhas> macogw: oh, i'm sorry i didn't recall that, probabaly because i haven't used ide drives in so long
[18:55] <bluefoxx> macogw: i meant you, srry
[18:55] <macogw> bluefoxx: it was a change in libata because the scsi drivers were better. people complained in feisty and it was reverted, but it became permanent in gutsy
[18:55] <cvd-pr> Pici,  with sudo i cant deleted
[18:56] <cvd-pr> with aout
[18:56] <xx0xx> macogw i did
[18:56] <bluefoxx> macogw: ah, i c
[18:56] <Alan_> but then... if i boot from the disk it DID put the MBR on, i get error 22
[18:56] <macogw> xx0xx: you did what?
[18:56] <xx0xx> you mean restart pc?
[18:56] <icanhas> Alan_: yep, that's your problem. very commonly made. the easiest fix is to fix the mbr hd0, then reinstall telling it to put grub on /dev/sd* instead of the relative hd0,1,2,etc
[18:56] <xx0xx> i did restart ssh
[18:56] <cvd-pr> cheese my writes are bad
[18:57] <cvd-pr> bad english
[18:57] <macogw> xx0xx: oh we're not talking about in X? then yeah probably have to restart the computer...
[18:57] <HorizonXP> holy crap
[18:57] <cvd-pr> 8.04 is in RC?
[18:57] <HorizonXP> 145 updates?
[18:57] <pen> have you guys install the updates? What's new about the new kernel?
[18:57] <macogw> xx0xx: GUI apps dont work til you restart X. i guess if its not a GUI system, thatd involve restarting the comp...
[18:57] <cvd-pr> 150mb
[18:57] <xx0xx> macogw i am on vps :s
[18:57] <pen> I just updated it
[18:57] <tobi_> is it a known bug that the kernel 2.6.24-15 doesn't work with the nvidia driver?
[18:57] <macogw> pen: mailing list says X breakage
[18:57] <pen> it's faster now
[18:57] <pen> really?
[18:57] <pen> well
[18:57] <pen> same
[18:57] <pen> lol
[18:57] <xx0xx> macogw is it ok to restart?
[18:58] <HorizonXP> wait.... the new updates break with Nvidia driver?
[18:58] <cvd-pr> how to know my kernel version?
[18:58] <macogw> xx0xx: whats vps?
[18:58] <macogw> cvd-pr: uname -a
[18:58] <pen> HorizonXP: i think he means it fixes the breakage
[18:58] <pen> I don't have the problem
[18:58] <macogw> wait is the problem just a l-r-m one? because i dont have/need/want l-r-m anyway
[18:58] <macogw> pen: no
[18:58] <cvd-pr> 2.6.24-15-generic #1
[18:58] <pen> what is the X breakage?
[18:58] <macogw> pen: i meant the mailing list is saying "did anyone else's X break from today's updates?"
[18:58] <Alan_> icanhas, i'll give it a try :)
[18:58] <cvd-pr> and i have nvidia without any problem
[18:59] <xx0xx> vps mean virtul private server
[18:59] <xx0xx> macogw ok tell me what i need to do
[18:59] <xx0xx> tell me commands ;s
[18:59] <jbroome> must.resist
[18:59] <macogw> xx0xx: oh. idk.  restart the virtual machine?
[18:59] <tobi_> macogw: can you point me to the post?
[18:59] <xx0xx> macogw ya
[18:59] <pen> macogw: btw, it's much smoother with compiz now after the update
[19:00] <macogw> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-April/003825.html
[19:00] <Alan_> also, i really don't like the new time zone chooser
[19:00] <tobi_> thanks
[19:00] <Alan_> i preferred the old one...
[19:00] <Alan_> is that an Ubuntu thing or a GNOME thing?
[19:00] <pen> Alan_: i don't know why the time zone is so pissing me off as they always display the wrong time
[19:00] <vf123> ﻿ I am interested in encrypting my /home directory.  Is there any reason why I should not do this?  And can you suggest any software that works well for it?
[19:01] <DanaG> Argh, FF3 sucks -- the address bar freezes Firefox way too often.
[19:01] <savvas> anyone here a radical chemist ? :) I want to know when an enzyme cleaves something means it breaks into smaller parts or joins into a bigger part?
[19:01] <jbroome> savvas: so entirely OT
[19:01] <savvas> oh yeah
[19:01] <vf123> DanaG: i had that issue with FF3 all the time ... switch to swiftfox and it hasnt happened since
[19:01] <pen> DanaG: did you use the greedy in your xorg?
[19:01] <macogw> vf123: you could use LVM's encryption
[19:02] <vf123> let me look that up
[19:02] <macogw> savvas: cleave usually means break...like a cleaver...the big butcher knife
[19:02] <macogw> which time zone chooser?
[19:02] <savvas> ok, that's probably it, thanks macogw
[19:02] <cvd-pr> you hjave syncronized time?
[19:02] <cvd-pr> use manual
[19:02] <icanhas> Honestly that brings up an interesting question, why the heck by default does the live cd grub installer use relative harddrive names instead of device locations?
[19:02] <macogw> the installer or in the gnome thing so you can see what time it is in multiple zones?
[19:02] <vf123> macogw:  do you have any docs on how ?
[19:03] <macogw> vf123: nope, but google probably does
[19:03] <vf123> yeah doing that now, just checking first
[19:03] <macogw> vf123: although a friend told me the other day that it doesnt work if you install LVM from a package
[19:03] <DanaG> greedy?  What greedy?  Oh, were you trying to tab-complete a different name?
[19:03] <jaffarkelshac> i am looking for video editors, has anyone used cinerella
[19:03] <macogw> vf123: the LVM package in ubuntu is kinda broken.  if you install LVM as part of the alternate installer, it works fine, but not if its from an already installed system
[19:04] <DanaG> www.noFREEEEEEEEEEEZEteboFREEEEEEEEEEEEEEZEkrevFREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE.comFREEEEEEEEEEEZE
[19:04] <vf123> kk .. gotcha
[19:04] <macogw> jaffarkelshac: heh engrish :P
[19:04] <macogw> jaffarkelshac: the r & l go in the opposite places
[19:04] <ether_c> has anyone else got a broken update today?
[19:04] <vf123> danag:   seriously ... sudo apt-get remove firefox and go get swiftfox ... works better
[19:04] <icanhas> DanaG: that's actually a feature. it gives to time to think about the address you want to go to before it actually brings you there.
[19:04] <macogw> ether_c: this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-April/003825.html
[19:05] <icanhas> ether_c: that seems to be popular today yes heh
[19:05] <pen> DanaG: ?
[19:05] <pen> DanaG: hold on
[19:05] <jaffarkelshac> macogw, i suppose i am used to writing cinderella
[19:05] <DanaG> ﻿(11:01:34 AM) pen: DanaG: did you use the greedy in your xorg?
[19:05] <Alan_> macogw, i meant the time zone chooser in the Installer
[19:05] <pen> DanaG: 	Option		"MigrationHeuristic"	"greedy"
[19:05] <DanaG> What does that have to do with the Firefox freeze?
[19:05] <ether_c> X isn't broken.. but dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.18_i386.deb (--install):
[19:05] <ether_c>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0
[19:06] <DanaG> Anyway, I use nvidia.
[19:06] <pen> DanaG: it speeds up firefox
[19:06] <pen> DanaG: with exa
[19:06] <macogw> Alan_: oh thatd definitely be an ubuntu thing, not a gnome thing, since its part of ubiquity
[19:06] <tobi_> DanaG: yep, I have problems with the update too. (nvidia)
[19:07] <jaffarkelshac> so has anyone used cinelerra
[19:07] <jaffarkelshac> i cant click anything
[19:07] <macogw> ok so it sounds like all update issues are nvidia related? is that the concensus?
[19:07] <DanaG> What update, anyway>
[19:07] <cvd-pr> Can any help me here?
[19:07] <Alan_> oh crap, i have an nvidia card
[19:08] <tobi_> jaffarkelshac: I used it a year ago and it was buggy like hell
[19:08] <DanaG> I see an nvidia-glx-new update, but I haven't installed it.
[19:08] <Alan_> that update vs new install?
[19:08] <icanhas> Alan_: it's an update
[19:08] <icanhas> Alan_: and it's not every card
[19:08] <Alan_> fair enough
[19:08] <DanaG> If I don't see a changelog, I don't install.
[19:08] <ether_c> I seem to be getting something like this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/213921
[19:08] <jaffarkelshac> tobi its annoying me it opens but nothing is clickerble
[19:08] <icanhas> I have an intel, new HAL drivers broke my gnome.
[19:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213921 in launchpad-integration "Dependency broken in Hardy beta (dup-of: 213863)" [Medium,Invalid]
[19:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0" [High,Fix released]
[19:08] <cvd-pr> A know why sometimes my mouse start to move crazy all over the desktop?
[19:08] <Alan_> As i already said, i can't use the installer for my card without using safe graphics mode
[19:09] <Prefix_> cvd-pr, what surface is your mouse on?
[19:09] <icanhas> Alan_: that's very odd actually.
[19:09] <Alan_> but then again, i've never been able too with anything newer than a 6600GT
[19:09] <cvd-pr> Prefix_,  the same as always
[19:09] <pen> cvd-pr: what do you mean?
[19:09] <Prefix_> cvd-pr, which is?
[19:09] <Alan_> icanhas, on 7600GT, using 64-bit
[19:10] <Alan_> icanhas, i get the "random lines and junk all over my screen" symptoms
[19:10] <macogw> cvd-pr: check for one of these? http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/a11e/
[19:10] <Alan_> icanhas, not sure if it's related to having 2 monitors attached and some autodetection getting confused
[19:10] <cvd-pr> Prefix_,  that hace to do why the mouse move all over the desktop super fast and the stop?
[19:10] <icanhas> Alan_: that just sounds like a refresh thing. but 64-bit causes all sorts of issues i know nothing about
[19:10] <icanhas> Alan_: is this prior to installation or after?/
[19:11] <Alan_> icanhas, this is when trying to load anything GUI from the livecd
[19:11] <Alan_> so prior
[19:11] <SWiSH> hey guys
[19:11] <cvd-pr> maybe is something with the xorg.conf?
[19:11] <Belisarivs> hi all
[19:11] <bluefoxx> ok, i added another location to the clock and it froze -.-
[19:11] <Prefix_> cvd-pr, I can't really help you if you wont even tell me what surface your mouse is on :/, the reason I ask is because if your on wood or red or white paper with a laser mouse it can cause the mouse to 'spin'
[19:11] <Belisarivs> could anybody help me to solve problem with suspend to disk?
[19:11] <icanhas> Alan_: i could probably fix it with an xorg.conf edit, but if it's the live cd that won't exactly work, heh
[19:12] <Belisarivs> I can't get it working properly.
[19:12] <cvd-pr> Prefix_, i dont use laser mouse
[19:12] <icanhas> Alan_: I can almost guarantee you it's because the default depth isn't set to 24.
[19:12] <cvd-pr> Prefix_, normal mouse
[19:12] <Prefix_> cvd-pr, if you use a ball mouse then clean it out
[19:12] <cvd-pr> Prefix_, its clean
[19:12] <Alan_> icanhas, exactly - i'm guessing it's the 'nv' driver too, seeming as 'nvidia' is proprietary
[19:13] <icanhas> Alan_: honestly i wouldn't be so quick to blame it on nvidia
[19:13] <cvd-pr> Prefix_,  the mouse move by it self, so its something with ubuntu
[19:13] <SWiSH> i need help. I destroyed my audio-output. I tried to run dolby surround(  I think i configured it via SPDIF) , but now, i have NO sound at all, no ALSA, no Pulse works . Can someone help me please?
[19:13] <Belisarivs> It does suspend to disk, it does load up back, but after I enter my password, it works for a while and then it freezes. Could you help me to trace bug to provide sufficient bugreport at least?
[19:13] <pen> cvd-pr: did you unplug mouse or reboot or try CtrlAltBack?
[19:14] <Belisarivs> I have HP 530. All components are made by Intel.
[19:14] <cvd-pr> pen,  this always happends
[19:14] <bluefoxx> ok, the power button wont work. i cant log out or anything
[19:14] <Alan_> icanhas, erm, maybe you're thinking of a different kind of junk-on-the-screen
[19:14] <bluefoxx> killswitching
[19:14] <pen> cvd-pr: try disable compiz
[19:14] <cvd-pr> pen,  im dont gonna unplug or reboot everytime this happends
[19:14] <Alan_> icanhas, i mean the one where you can't make out anything
[19:14] <pen> cvd-pr: hope it's not compiz
[19:14] <pen> cvd-pr: so you mean reboot fix this problem?
[19:15] <pen> cvd-pr: that means your config us malfunctioning
[19:15] <pen> *is
[19:15] <cvd-pr> pen, it fixed my himself
[19:15] <cvd-pr> i think some config are wrong
[19:15]  * DanaG will likely be getting an HP 8510p in summer.
[19:16] <cvd-pr> where are the mouse configs?
[19:16] <macogw> cvd-pr: xorg
[19:16] <cvd-pr> xorf.conf?
[19:16] <pen> cvd-pr: xorg.conf
[19:17] <Belisarivs> no ideas?
[19:17] <cvd-pr> i have used the  feisty xorg.conf in heron xorg.conf
[19:17] <cvd-pr> maybe thats the problem
[19:17] <komputes> In hardy how can one tell what video driver is in use?\
[19:18] <macogw> komputes: lsmod?
[19:19] <bluefoxx> so hpw can i have drives mounted in  my home folder via fstab not show up in th drive mount applet or on my desktop? is there an option to revert to them being invisible?
[19:19] <xx0xx> how to create dns server?
[19:19] <cvd-pr> CUz i dont know how the hell i delete the heron xorg.conf,  when i reboot the gnome dont start, so i put the feisty live cd and copy the xorg.conf to the heron
[19:19] <SWiSH> nobody can help me?
[19:19] <macogw> bluefoxx: stuff in /media shows on the desktop
[19:19] <bluefoxx> macogw: but they arn't in /media. i have them mounted into my home folder from fstab
[19:20] <komputes> macogw: then what?
[19:20] <macogw> bluefoxx: and i think thats why they dont show on your desktop
[19:20] <macogw> komputes: what?
[19:20] <macogw> komputes: oh. look for one thats a video driver
[19:20] <komputes> macogw: lsmod then what...
[19:20] <cvd-pr> pen
[19:20] <macogw> komputes: lsmod | grep "ati\|fglrx\|intel\|nv"
[19:20] <komputes> macogw: which one is the video driver?
[19:20] <pen> cvd-pr: yes?
[19:20] <macogw> komputes: thatd be a starting point..
[19:21] <bluefoxx> macogw: im not looking to make them show on my desktop, im looking to make them vanish from it
[19:21] <Sympatha> does anyone know why a usb device wouldnt show up in lsusb or tail -f /var/log/messages/ even if its drawing power from the port?
[19:21] <macogw> bluefoxx: ooooo ok gconf-editor then
[19:22] <icanhas> Sympatha: check dmesg?
[19:22] <macogw> bluefoxx: gconf-editor should let you hide normal drives from the desktop but keep removable ones
[19:22] <bluefoxx> ok, then?
[19:22] <mnemo> Libre Graphics Meeting 2008  --->  http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2008/index.php?lang=en&action=home
[19:22] <cvd-pr> pen, CUz i dont know how the hell i delete the heron xorg.conf,  when i reboot the gnome dont start, so i put the feisty live cd and copy the xorg.conf to the heron
[19:22] <bluefoxx> macogw: kk
[19:22] <cvd-pr> pen,  maybe that cuz the mouse problems?
[19:22] <pen> cvd-pr: are you in low graphic mode right now?
[19:22] <cvd-pr> cause
[19:22] <pen> cvd-pr: maybe
[19:22] <cvd-pr> pen, nope
[19:22] <komputes> macogw: the output to the command "   lsmod | grep "ati\|fglrx\|intel\|nv"   "  is cpufreq_ conservative     8712   0
[19:23] <macogw> komputes: thats it?
[19:23] <pen> cvd-pr: maybe you can try to let xorg configure for you, I think it will backup your xorg
[19:23] <komputes> macogw: thats it
[19:23] <macogw> komputes: oh umm... lsmod | grep 810
[19:23] <cvd-pr> pen,  how
[19:23] <macogw> komputes: cuz that covers intel, ati, and nvidia....not many other options
[19:23] <komputes> macogw: used to be able to check xorg.conf, not I have to go through each video card posibility, excuse my french but this is ^%&^%
[19:24] <Alan> Right, here goes attempt 2 - i rewired my hard drives so that the disk i'm installing to is first
[19:24] <cvd-pr> nvidia-xconfig?
[19:24] <pen> cvd-pr: hold on, before you do that could you paste your xorg.conf?
[19:24] <pen> cvd-pr: only the mouse part
[19:25] <Sympatha> icanhas: what exactly should I be looking for in dmesg?
[19:25] <komputes> macogw: still just "cpufreq_ conservative     8712   0" , what now?\
[19:25] <macogw> komputes: can you just tell us what video card you have?
[19:25] <cvd-pr> pen, Section "InputDevice"
[19:25] <cvd-pr> 	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
[19:25] <cvd-pr> 	Driver		"vmmouse"
[19:25] <cvd-pr> EndSection
[19:25] <cvd-pr> ?
[19:25] <komputes> macogw: amd geode
[19:26] <macogw> komputes: oh thats why checking for those didnt work....
[19:26] <pen> cvd-pr: what is vmmouse?
[19:26] <macogw> komputes: im gonna guess it'll be named amd something
[19:26] <macogw> komputes: so grep for amd
[19:26] <cvd-pr> i dont know pren
[19:26] <cvd-pr> pen
[19:26] <komputes> not a video driver
[19:26] <pen> cvd-pr: wait, are you running linux in vmware?
[19:26] <macogw> komputes: its not in xorg.conf because youre not supposed to ever need to manually touch it.  it's supposed to figure out what to do automatically when X starts
[19:26] <cvd-pr> pen,  not all is normal
[19:27] <komputes> macogw: isn't there a way to see what actual dideo driver is being used instead of fussing arround grepping everything that can come to mind
[19:27] <pen> cvd-pr: hm
[19:27] <pen> cvd-pr: now or not?
[19:27] <cvd-pr> pen, what i put in driver?
[19:27] <darrend> where does compizconfig-settings-manager store its settings.. anyone know?
[19:27] <cvd-pr> pen,  generic?
[19:27] <afflux> darrend: IIRC in the gconf
[19:27] <pen> cvd-pr: run this, Xorg -configure
[19:28] <darrend> afflux: thx, I'll hunt in there.
[19:28] <pen> cvd-pr: it will configure your xorg
[19:28] <icanhas> Alan: that really isn't neccesary. just make sure Grub installs to /dev/sd*, sd* being the same you're installing ubuntu onto
[19:28] <komputes> macogw: shouldn't the "used by" column just say xorg so we know that xorg is using that driver?
[19:28] <tomd123> so ya, does anyone have any problems with the latest update "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.18_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0"?
[19:28] <cvd-pr> pen, Fatal server error:
[19:28] <cvd-pr> Server is already active for display 0
[19:28] <cvd-pr> 	If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
[19:28] <cvd-pr> 	and start again.
[19:28] <afflux> darrend: you're welcome
[19:28] <icanhas> tomd123: yes, everyone, hold for link
[19:29] <ryrules1> is this hardy support
[19:29] <gregcha117> everything seems to be recognizing my soundcard but i have absolutely no sound what do i do?
[19:29] <jbroome> we've moved to ibex already
[19:29] <Alan> icanhas, i know, but i'm planning on removing the other drive at some point anyway :)
[19:29] <icanhas> tomd123: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/213921
[19:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213921 in launchpad-integration "Dependency broken in Hardy beta (dup-of: 213863)" [Medium,Invalid]
[19:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0" [High,Fix released]
[19:29] <cvd-pr> how i change the nmouse driver
[19:29] <cvd-pr> ?
[19:29] <Alan> Hmmm, no "restricted drivers manager" any more?
[19:29] <macogw> komputes: no the used by just lists other modules
[19:29] <Unksi> Alan: its jockey now
[19:29] <icanhas> Alan: it's there, different name
[19:30] <pen> cvd-pr: try to remove /tmp/.X0-lock first
[19:30] <pen> cvd-pr: btw, if you just to have a quick fix, I will give you my mouse config
[19:30] <komputes> macogw: so how do I know what video driver is being used/
[19:30] <gregcha117> how do i get my sound back :|
[19:30] <Alan> icanhas, not in the System menu any more though?
[19:30] <icanhas> Alan: sure it is. Hardware Drivers
[19:31] <macogw> komputes: the gui for config'ing it might say it.
[19:31] <Alan> d'oh!  thanks icanhas
[19:31] <komputes> gregcha117: i dunno, i had the same issue, when you boot if you have a choice use kernet ending in "-11" its the only one that brings the sound back for me
[19:31] <komputes> macogw: walk me through it
[19:32] <pen> cvd-pr: http://rafb.net/p/Tx9QvK38.html
[19:32] <komputes> macogw: i usually usae xorg.conf and dpkg reconfigure, but these are useless in the new version so I'll need to be shown how the new version works (if it works that is...)
[19:32] <ryrules1_> will bmc43xx be supported in hardy and can I this card be injected in hardy??
[19:32] <Prefix_> Is any one else experiencing a bug where hover tags for panel items are under the panels?
[19:32] <expat> hello all
[19:32] <icanhas> ryrules1_: techincally yes.
[19:33] <icanhas> ryrules1_: no conformation if it'll work by default tho.
[19:33] <expat> just did an update today, and now gnome-panel is crashing like wild...
[19:33] <expat> removed and reinstalled 2x, no go
[19:33] <expat> any help?
[19:33] <ryrules1_> how would I go about patching the driver?
[19:33] <macogw> expat: yeah there've been complaints regarding updates GUI-go-boom!
[19:33] <gregcha117> komputes: yeah that worked for a while but my sound disappeared on the older kernel too so now im stuck with no boot of ubuntu that has any sound
[19:33] <icanhas> ryrules1_: honestly it doesn't have much to do with hardy, i would check out the latest monitor drivers available online
[19:33] <expat> ahh..so I'm not the only one, then macogw :)
[19:34] <ryrules1_> yea I assumed it wouldnt work by defult
[19:34] <macogw> komputes: i dont know if its unbroken yet (i dont use it) but maybe system -> admin -> screens & graphics says it?
[19:34] <ryrules1_> its a network card
[19:34] <komputes> gregcha117: I'm sure theres something wrong with kernels -12 to -15 atm
[19:35] <icanhas> ryrules1_: to answer your question really, it will only work with kernel -16+
[19:35] <komputes> macogw: ha, are you using Dapper?
[19:35] <ryrules1_> ok thank you
[19:35] <komputes> macogw: yeah that's gone man
[19:35] <macogw> komputes: no im on hardy... and it shouldnt be
[19:36] <macogw> komputes: it was there when i did my clean install of hardy 6 weeks ago
[19:36] <komputes> well i'm updated to today, anmd I tell you it's gone, want a screenshot?
[19:36] <Alan> hang on a second... is there no ndiswrapper for 64-bit?
[19:36] <icanhas> Alan: what would you need ndiswrapper for?
[19:36] <icanhas> Alan: and don't say an atheros card or i will maim you
[19:36] <^NighT^WalkeR^> hi there guys... i just installed ubuntu 8.04, is it normal tha ndiswrapper doesn't work on 8.04?
[19:36] <Alan> oh, it's loaded by default
[19:37] <komputes> macogw: woul;d you like a screenshot?
[19:37] <icanhas> madwifi > ndiswrapper
[19:37] <Alan> icanhas, i know that, but it's not an atheros card
[19:37] <Alan> icanhas, it's some other "Marvell" chipset or something
[19:37] <icanhas> Alan: then i'm very sorry
[19:37] <mohamed_> ^NighT^WalkeR^, i have ndiswrapper working
[19:37] <^NighT^WalkeR^> hmm
[19:38] <^NighT^WalkeR^> what version?
[19:38] <Alan> icanhas, the model I got was supposed to be Atheros-based, but they brought out a new revision without changing the version number :(
[19:38] <^NighT^WalkeR^> i get error messages when i "make"
[19:38] <arekkusu> Hello. I just upgraded my box (8.04 beta) and I am getting this error msg when using apt-get install
[19:38]  * expat goes on a search to fix his gnome-panel
[19:38] <mohamed_> ^NighT^WalkeR^,  version:        1.52
[19:38] <arekkusu> list file for package `libxosd2' is missing final newline
[19:38] <macogw> komputes: its still installed
[19:38] <^NighT^WalkeR^> mohamed_: same here :S
[19:38] <macogw> komputes: unhide it from your menu
[19:39] <macogw> komputes:  though it says driver: none...
[19:39] <komputes> macogw: instructions please and thank you\
[19:39] <^NighT^WalkeR^> mohamed_: mine won't create the /lib/modules/'generic'/misc/ndiswrapper.ko
[19:39] <macogw> komputes: right click the menu and hit edit then check the mark in the administration section next to screens and graphics... are you new?
[19:40] <komputes> macogw: not there
[19:40] <komputes> been using ubuntu since 2005
[19:40] <mohamed_> ^NighT^WalkeR^,  i'm not experience only i install  ndiswrapper-common ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 and use ndiswrapper command installing my drivers
[19:40] <icanhas> !etiquitte
[19:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about etiquitte - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:40] <icanhas> !behavior
[19:40] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[19:40] <jbroome> !botabuse
[19:40] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[19:41] <komputes> macogw: do you want a screenshot of that?
[19:41] <macogw> komputes: dont know what to tell you then.  maybe it was removed in the last month but updates dont uninstall it
[19:41] <macogw> komputes: no thanks. i need to go to my office hours
[19:41] <komputes> macogw: great, i still want to know what video driver i'm using which should be accessiblew from command line
[19:41] <mohamed_> ^NighT^WalkeR^, try create misc dir manual
[19:41] <^NighT^WalkeR^> the dir is there
[19:42] <^NighT^WalkeR^> it says the file is missing
[19:42] <mohamed_> then install ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[19:42] <^NighT^WalkeR^> it is installed
[19:43] <^NighT^WalkeR^> it says the ndiswrapper.ko in misc dir is missing
[19:43] <linkinxp> hello a todo el campamento :D
[19:43] <mohamed_> serach for it if it already exist anywhere ?
[19:44] <^NighT^WalkeR^> anyone know how to install the default wifi drivers?
[19:44] <^NighT^WalkeR^> i'm on windows right know, because my wifi is not working on ubuntu
[19:47] <virtuald> evolution crashed (OOM i think), can this be because of the nvidia bug?
[19:47] <virtuald> apport didn't pop up
[19:48] <jaffarkelshac>   does anyone use seahorse
[19:51] <x0x> http://pastebin.com/d244c43ca < take a look plz
[19:58] <Alan> ok, tell me if i'm wrong, but as far as i can tell, if i have a wireless card that has no linux drivers and no win64 drivers, i can't use it with ndiswrapper under 64-bit linux...
[19:58] <Alan> oh well :(
[19:58] <Sergeant_Pony> I got my Sound fixed under Pulse Audio!!!!!!!!!
[19:58] <Alan> Why the hell isn't there a such thing as a good wireless card for linux?
[19:59] <Alan> The only desktop cards that work reliably are the worst cards on the market power-wise
[19:59] <SWiS2> I have also trouble with Pulse
[19:59] <Alan> (I find the range on atheros chipsets completely sucks)
[19:59] <SWiS2> Sergeant_Pony: What problem did you have?
[20:00] <Sergeant_Pony> Swis2 on a reboot it would lose all the Pulse Audio info
[20:00] <Sergeant_Pony> Swis2 I would have to reset everything up again...
[20:01] <SWiS2> how did you do that? i tried to run dolby sourround and i did some experiments with asoundrc and this stuff. now I have no sound at all.
[20:04] <Alan> Haha
[20:04] <SWiS2> i hope it will work agian, when i try to reinstall my soundsystem, but i dont know, what belongs to this, and what i need to delete and reinstall
[20:05] <Alan> 32-bit safe-mode doesn't detect my resolution
[20:05] <Alan> haha
[20:05] <SWiS2> speaker-test also does not work
[20:06] <SWiS2> have this problem since 2 weeks
[20:10] <Fritzel> ubuntu 7.10 has an application that allows you to use a volume control on your keyboard to adjust system volume, what is it called?
[20:13] <phin> heya, anyone have strange update-manager behavior?
[20:13] <phin> its just god awful slow for me and alot of times even locks up when i go to update
[20:14] <Fritzel> I just updated and have no problem however I noticed there was some components of adept that installed today I have not tested those
[20:18] <Alan> Is there a such thing as a good wireless card for linux for the desktop?
[20:18] <jbroome> orinoco gold was my favorite, but that's b only
[20:20] <noelferreira> can you help me syncronizing my pda Qtek 9100 ? [ 2166.100596] usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 11
[20:20] <noelferreira> [ 2166.207969] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[20:21] <Alan> jbroome, so, "not anything made in the last 10 years" almost? :(
[20:22] <jbroome> Alan: well, i haven't had a linux laptop in a while.  Wireless works fine on my macbook. :)  Whatever chipset was onboard on my t42 worked fine b&g.
[20:23] <Alan> jbroome, well, things running with ndiswrapper seem to "work fine" too, if you're on 32-bit...
[20:23] <Alan> heh
[20:24] <Annirak> So I had a power outage on my box.  Now, my sound doesn't work
[20:25] <linkinxp> guys in blender when i open it i can see some parts of my desktop like the watch it flickers
[20:26] <noelferreira> [ 2166.207969] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[20:26] <noelferreira> can you help me syncronizing my pda Qtek 9100 ? [ 2166.100596] usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 11
[20:27] <Annirak> So I had a power outage, and now my sound doesn't work.  It is possible that it stopped working when I did updates on Hardy.  My audio device shows up in lspci.  snd is loaded.  Nothing is muted, and all volumes are at 75%.  Where do I go from here?
[20:28] <sivel27> hello all
[20:30] <heartsblood> does anybody know the command to run chkdsk on an ipod?
[20:30] <jbroome> i don't think that's a linux command
[20:30] <heartsblood> ?
[20:36] <david> heartsblood: chkdsk is a MS command
[20:36] <david> *an
[20:36] <heartsblood> apple uses it to run fsck on their ipods
[20:36] <heartsblood> my ipod write table is locked atm and I need to run that to unlock it
[20:37] <david> consulteth the manual
[20:37] <david> or make that plural
[20:38] <ulises> i have ubuntu 8 and it dosent recognize my wireless
[20:38] <david> what computer is this? laptop? stationary?
[20:39] <david> USB NIC? PCMCIA? brand?
[20:39] <jaffarkelshac> is it possible to have an application run in the host pc via ssh? i know you can on the client by forwarding X
[20:39] <david> that was fast..
[20:39] <david> jaffarkelshac: elaborate?
[20:39] <noelferreira> can you help me syncronizing my pda Qtek 9100 ? [ 2166.100596] usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 11
[20:40] <jbroome> noelferreira: no
[20:40] <david> jaffarkelshac: you want to log on with ssh and start an application that stays on?
[20:40] <jaffarkelshac> yes, but it stars on the host, not my on laptop. david
[20:40] <noelferreira> thna
[20:40] <jaffarkelshac> stays* david
[20:40] <noelferreira> thanks
[20:41] <david> jaffarkelshac: what type of application do you want to start?
[20:41] <sivel27> is there a command to "downgrade" back to 7.10?
[20:42] <jbroome> sivel27: restore your gutsy backup
[20:42] <jbroome> you made one, right?
[20:42] <sivel27> how?
[20:42] <sivel27> oh, nope. dont even know how to backup in linux
[20:42] <jaffarkelshac> nothing specific as such, i just learned to ssh, and forward X, so was just wondering. for instance, start a vlc video on the host
[20:42] <jbroome>  probably shouldn't have given a beta a shot then
[20:43] <Gilou> jaffarkelshac> yeah you can
[20:43] <david> jaffarkelshac: sure,
[20:43] <Gilou> ssh -X
[20:43] <Gilou> but if you're not on a LAN
[20:43] <sivel27> how do you backup anywa, or at least the common way for future reference?
[20:43] <Gilou> it would probably be slow as hell
[20:43] <jaffarkelshac> thats forwarding x and that starts the application the client Gilou
[20:44] <Gilou> ah on the host
[20:44] <Gilou> you can too
[20:44] <Gilou> if you have the rights
[20:44] <david> jaffarkelshac: You could possibly use screen aswell jaffarkelshac
[20:44] <Gilou> just export DISPLAY=:0.0 if that's the display
[20:44] <Gilou> and run the app..
[20:44] <jaffarkelshac> the display options i learned and gave up on it, i have vlc for that if need be
[20:45] <Gilou> hm?
[20:45] <jaffarkelshac> i mean, i read about the display, i could not get it to work, it had errors. so for display i use vncviewer
[20:45] <Gilou> what do you want to do?
[20:46] <Gilou> ssh to a box, launch something on that same  box screen?
[20:46] <david> oh
[20:46] <jaffarkelshac> preciesly Gilou
[20:46] <Gilou> so as I said, just set DISPLAY to something like :0.0 (it might depend on multi X conf or weird conf :p)
[20:46] <Gilou> and launch the app
[20:46] <Gilou> or use app --display
[20:47] <Gilou> for any gnome app and other it should work
[20:47] <jaffarkelshac> i will read in to that, thanks Gilou
[20:47] <Annirak> How do I determine which update is requiring a reboot before I reboot?
[20:47] <sivel27> is it possible to boot/install to the hdd from a flash drive?
[20:48] <tgelter> sivel27: yes
[20:48] <renfrew> greets all..... I'm havin a brain-dead moment at work, whens the offical release date?
[20:48] <jbroome> 4/24 i believe
[20:48] <jbroome> +/-
[20:48] <Gilou> 24
[20:48] <Gilou> !hardy | renfrew
[20:48] <ubotu> renfrew: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[20:49] <renfrew> thanks all.. gotta do a drive-by ;)  thanks and happy computing
[20:53] <tgelter> so... firefox flash plugin on amd64 hardy...any solutions?
[20:54] <patrick__> hey guys im running hardy heron and when i try to view a youtube video or something of the sort, firefox shuts down...althouh i can restart it and view it the second time
[20:54] <patrick__> how do i fix this
[20:54] <patrick__> ?
[20:55] <Gilou> patrick__> check your flash version
[20:55] <Gilou> make sure it's up to date
[20:55] <patrick__> how?
[20:55] <Gilou> and then, check your firefox version
[20:56] <Gilou> http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_15507
[20:56] <Gilou> ah, there's a new version
[20:57]  * Gilou is on 9.0.115.0 and 9.0.124.0 is available.
[21:18] <jester7> just wanted to check/confirm, did the latest update fail to install liblaunchpad-integration1 because of broken dependencies for everyone?
[21:20] <Gnine> looks like the dependency issue was resolved already, jester7 - try updating
[21:22] <[diablo]> evening
[21:22] <[diablo]> guys, in 2.6.24-15 on boot I get
[21:22] <[diablo]> no floppy controllers found
[21:22] <[diablo]> however 2.6.24-14 and lower boots fine
[21:23] <[diablo]> anyone else have this problem?
[21:24] <asdrubal> Hi everyone
[21:24] <jimmygoon> How is it possible for me to have a ripped CD that won't fit on a CD I'm tryign to burn
[21:24] <[diablo]> asdrubal, evening
[21:24] <bfallik> i recently created bug 214002, which I believe is a recent regression since the hardware worked last week.  Is there anything I can do to help capture relevant info now?
[21:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214002 in linux-source-2.6.22 "uhci_hcd host controller halted, very bad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214002
[21:26] <Gnine> !debug | bfallik
[21:26] <ubotu> bfallik: For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[21:28] <bfallik> Gnine: thanks for the pointer, but it's not clear where a USB voice headset would fall.  USB storage?  kernel team bug policies?
[21:28] <LjL> my KSysGuard doesn't seem to list the sensors for CPU temperatures and fan speeds anymore after upgrading to Hardy, although "sensors" in a console still shows them as usual. what gives?
[21:29] <bfallik> it's "detected", but then the kernel module fails miserably.  that strikes me as a kernel issue.
[21:30] <savvas> has anyone upgraded to the new apt / apt-utils?
[21:30] <Gnine> it does
[21:30] <askand> ﻿Hi, my laptop keep turning itself of, the laptop is running all the time and the CPU gets hot..this is Ubuntus fault because it does not happen in Windows..Is it worth a try to install hardy beta?
[21:31] <savvas> just checking before upgrading i don't want anything like libc6 to happen again ;p
[21:31] <bfallik> Gnine: ok, thanks
[21:32] <jester7> Gnine: it's still giving me the error.  maybe because it's the amd64 package?
[21:33] <savvas> oh well i'll give it a go
[21:33] <jester7> /var/cache/apt/archives/liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.18_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png
[21:33] <askand> Has there been any improvements in that field?
[21:33] <Gnine> in terminal, do: sudo apt-get -f install, and follow up from that
[21:33] <Gnine> jester7:
[21:34] <jester7> Gnine: i tried, same basic error
[21:34] <esox> how can I display my winows partition on desktop ?
[21:36] <Gnine> did you run an update and upgrade after the -f install?
[21:37] <jester7> ok, lemme try
[21:38] <tgelter> so... firefox flash plugin on amd64 hardy...any solutions?
[21:39] <jester7> tgelter: works for me....as well as i expected at leat
[21:39] <Gnine> esox: knowing the size of the windows partition, look in Places and click on it to mount it
[21:39] <tgelter> jester7: what package did you install?
[21:39] <SilverDawn> Holy shit
[21:39] <SilverDawn> Enough updates today?
[21:39] <SilverDawn> :|
[21:40] <Gnine> !language | SilverDawn
[21:40] <ubotu> SilverDawn: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:40] <dooglus> when is the release due?
[21:40] <tgelter> jester7: adobe flash player, or gnash?
[21:40] <Bassetts> is there any reason that hardy leaves folders in /media?
[21:40] <jester7> Gnine: thanks.  i needed to run apt-get update before running the -f install
[21:40] <jester7> works fine now
[21:40] <Gnine> roger that
[21:40] <tgelter> Bassetts: are you sure that *you* haven't left them?
[21:40] <esox> Gnine: they are mounted I think because I have them in the shortcut menu
[21:41] <jester7> tgelter: i have flash player
[21:41] <Bassetts> tgelter: yes, they are left from hardy mounting my usb drive
[21:41] <tgelter> Bassetts: did you mount manually, or were they automounted
[21:41] <esox> Gnine: I can access them with nautilus
[21:41] <tgelter> jester7: I'll un/reinstall, thx
[21:41] <Bassetts> tgelter: there is one left by myself which I dont mind but I have three for my usb drive
[21:41] <dooglus> !hardy
[21:41] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[21:41] <dooglus> !24-8
[21:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 24-8 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:41] <tgelter> Bassetts: go rmdir them in /media and reinsert the flash drives to see if it happens again
[21:42] <jester7> tgelter: what's the problem with your flash?  just not working at all?
[21:42] <Gnine> !final
[21:42] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[21:42] <askand> !battery
[21:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about battery - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:42] <tgelter> jester7: firefox doesn't detect that I have the plugin installed
[21:42] <Bassetts> tgelter: http://openpaste.org/en/5998/ only things mounted right now is my usb driver and mighty boosh disc 2 (usb driver is 07926559909__)
[21:42] <jester7> doh, not good
[21:43] <Bassetts> tgelter: right I will do
[21:43] <askand> ﻿Hi, my laptop keep turning itself of, the fan is running all the time and the CPU gets hot..this is Ubuntus fault because it does not happen in Windows..Is it worth a try to install hardy beta? Have there been any improvements in that field?
[21:44] <Stroganoff> askand it's not GENERALLY ubuntu's fault. it's just that the drivers for your particular laptop suck.
[21:44] <Bassetts> tgelter: I think its if I shutdown without unmounting everything
[21:45] <Bassetts> tgelter:
[21:45] <Gnine> you should seek support in #ubuntu since you are not running 8.04, askand
[21:45] <SilverDawn> !apt-key
[21:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-key - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:45] <SilverDawn> aw
[21:45] <Bassetts> its all fine if I unmount it manually
[21:45] <askand> ﻿Stroganoff: Yea..ubuntus fault i maybe wrong word
[21:46] <tgelter> Bassetts: a clean shut down or just powering off
[21:46] <tgelter> ?
[21:46] <askand> ﻿Gnine: the do not know but they send me here when I ask if it could be worth upgrading to hardy
[21:46] <Stroganoff> use the name of your laptop and google it out, askand. we are not wizads.
[21:47] <Bassetts> tgelter: clean shutdown using the dialog in hardy
[21:47] <Gnine> upgrading to hardy is a matter of choice.
[21:47] <SilverDawn> I find hardy a huge improvement over gutsy, But thats just my opinion.
[21:48] <orvokki> Gnine: Yeah, a choice on whether you want to go beta testing or wait a week.
[21:48] <tgelter> Bassetts: if it's reproducible, I'd submit a bug
[21:48] <Gnine> !worksforme
[21:48] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[21:48] <mrtimdog> Just trying to install hardy on a USB thingy - Is grubs boot device always (hd0)?
[21:48] <jester7> askand: hardy might be better for YOUR laptop, but it's not generally "better" for running on laptops.  Gutsy was quite fine on my laptop
[21:48] <dubby> hello hardy, anyways I have a microsoft keyboard and everything is fine except that a couple of the media functions work and a couple do not
[21:48] <orvokki> (Well, ok. A bit more than a week. Still)
[21:48] <nemo> hm. I'm hopeful this forum thread might do the trick for me...
[21:48] <nemo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4674021
[21:48] <dubby> like the sound and stuff does, but the play and pause and next do not
[21:48] <tgelter> jester7: yeah, I removed(purged) flashplugin-nonfree and reinstalled it, and firefox still doesn't recognize that I have a flash plugin installed
[21:48] <nemo> dmesg does note wlan0 renamed to eth1
[21:48] <askand> ﻿jester7:  ok
[21:49] <nemo> perhaps that was reason for incomprehensibly buggy iwl3945
[21:49] <Bassetts> tgelter: i cant shutdown right now so I will check later
[21:49] <dubby> also I was wondering how to bind keys to do things like i want the calculator button to start up calculator
[21:49] <nemo> tgelter: hey
[21:49] <nemo> tgelter: you might want to check in what directory the plugin is being installed
[21:49] <tgelter> mrtimdog: (hd0) on grub is equivalent to /dev/hda to linux, it doesn't *have* to be that, it can be a diff drive/partition
[21:49] <nemo> although that one did WFM fine, other plugins have had that issue under hardy
[21:50] <nemo> tgelter: lots of plugin dirs in current layout
[21:50] <tgelter> nemo: I think I remember issues between the directory layout of ~/.mozilla/firefox for firefox 2 vs. 3 beta
[21:50] <nemo> tgelter: or /dev/sda  :)
[21:51] <nemo> tgelter: try executing ls -d /usr/lib/*/plugins
[21:51] <Gnine> !keybinding | dubby
[21:51] <ubotu> dubby: To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[21:51] <nemo> tgelter: I don't think it is in your profile
[21:51] <nemo> although of course you can test that by trying as a different user
[21:51] <nemo> find /usr/lib/*/plugins -name "*flash*"
[21:51] <Wobbo> is triple sli supported?
[21:52] <esox> Gnine: yes my partitions are mounted, I have them on nautilus
[21:52] <esox> Gnine: same thing for my memory stick
[21:52] <tgelter> nemo: what are you wanting me to look for? I have several flash plugin .so's
[21:52] <Wobbo> oh and ca-certificates still have a major problem with nm-applet and iwl4945
[21:53] <tgelter> nemo: http://pastebin.com/m3139ac71
[21:53] <mrtimdog> ﻿tgelter: Thanks, just realised I may have phrased that a little confusingly! I mean when you boot off of a boot device, be it (hd0|1|2|...), and then ask grub what devices exist, would the device that's been currently used as the boot device then be (hd0) when it's in use? Or will (grub) the device name mapping be static no matter which is booted from?
[21:54] <Gnine> !grub | mrtimdog
[21:54] <ubotu> mrtimdog: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[21:54] <tgelter> mrtimdog: afaik (others, please correct me if I'm wrong), grub will see the devices in the order that the BIOS detects them, just as the linux kernel does
[21:54] <nemo> tgelter: what's with that npwrapper business. odd. I don't have that
[21:54] <nemo> tgelter: anyway. yeah. I was just curious if it was in a directory that your firefox is actually referred to.
[21:55] <tgelter> nemo: that was from a hack I had to use to get flash working in beta 4
[21:55] <mrtimdog> ﻿tgelter: Ok, so they're static names. I'll reed through those links, thanks :)
[21:55] <tgelter> mrtimdog: np
[21:55] <tgelter> nemo: how does my output differ from yours?
[21:56] <nemo> $ find */plugins -name "*flash*" | xargs
[21:56] <nemo> firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so iceape/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so iceweasel/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so midbrowser/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so xulrunner-addons/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so xulrunner/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[21:56] <nemo> that output is the same on both my hardy beta machines
[21:56] <nemo> both the one that has been on hardy beta for months, and the one I just added today
[21:56] <tgelter> nemo: can you pastebin that? it's hard to read to compare to mine
[21:57] <Gnine> !pastebin
[21:57] <nemo> bah :-p
[21:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[21:57] <nemo> Gnine: I know what a pastebin is. that is one (long) line
[21:57] <tgelter> ~lart nemo
[21:57] <nemo> ...
[21:57] <tgelter> =)
[21:57] <nemo> tgelter: if you are going to lart me you can darn well figure it out yourself :-p
[21:58] <nemo> I'm doing a few things at once here...
[21:58] <tgelter> nemo: that was just about the pastebin =)
[21:59] <Jaymac> If I want to send files from my phone to my PC via bluetooth what package do I need to install?  I  had it working in Gutsy, but not in Hardy - forgotten what package I required
[21:59] <SharkMa-san> hmh... does anyone know how to be able to read DVDs and CDs properly in hardy heron? Haven't been able to do so after updating to 2.6.24-14 kernel
[22:00] <Gnine> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[22:00] <tgelter> nemo: nm about the pastebin, I've formatted it by hand :P
[22:02] <SharkMa-san> I can only see the files on the discs, but I can't read the files :/
[22:03] <tgelter> nemo: so, you have a bunch of "flashplugin-alternative"'s while I have flashplugin instead...are you sure you have the same package installed as I do?
[22:06] <SharkMa-san> anyone?
[22:06] <jk_> i am trying to use the display option in ssh but i cant get it to work. i want to open an application via ssh and display on computer running ssh server
[22:06] <tgelter> SharkMa-san: sounds like a permissions issue
[22:07] <mrtimdog> ﻿jk_: use 'ssh -XY <app>'
[22:07] <sourcemaker> what does it mean.... to upgrade a software in apt? I have installed the newest openoffice software in apt... and now I receive the  information... that there is a upgrade available?
[22:08] <SharkMa-san> tgelter: well, the info says I'm the owner
[22:09] <tgelter> SharkMa-san: pm me
[22:09] <jk_> i get name or service not known mrtimdog
[22:10] <stefg> CDOG: first take a backup... then familiarize yourself with the concept of mountpoints, you might find a way to dolve the problem w/o resizing. The reason for your problemis that you cannot resize mounted partitions (and won't be able to unmount the / partition)
[22:10] <mrtimdog> ﻿jk_: Is your host name known by your DNS?
[22:11] <mrtimdog> ﻿jk_: ... or in your /etc/hosts file?
[22:11] <jk_> i am using ips mrtimdog
[22:11] <mrtimdog> jk_: ips?
[22:11] <jk_> ip address mrtimdog
[22:12] <wolf4914> anybody got X problems after upgrading to 2.6.24-14 and/or 15 kernels?
[22:12] <stefg> ... wrong channel ...
[22:12] <mrtimdog> ﻿jk_: can you 'ssh <host-ip> date'?
[22:12] <jk_> i have successfully connected to the ssh-server with x forwarding, but i want to launch app on the host no on the computer i am using
[22:14] <Gilou> export DISPLAY :p
[22:15] <nemo> bugger. iwl3945 still failing. even after commenting out that udev rule
[22:15] <hwilde> is there any type of case where cpu goes up to 100% on a process and the system shuts down to save itself?
[22:15] <jk_> i think so but what is the syntax for exportin display
[22:15] <nemo> tgelter: yeah. the alternative should be pointing to the adobe flash plugin
[22:15] <nemo> tgelter: and you have that other weird entry too
[22:16] <nemo>  /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
[22:16] <hwilde> jk_, DISPLAY=yourip:0 commandname
[22:16] <tgelter> nemo: I'm cleaning out those dirs now, I'm wondering why alternative wasn't created
[22:16] <mrtimdog> ﻿jk_: What does 'ssh -XYt <ip> /usr/bin/xclock' output?
[22:17] <jk_> is this after connecting to the ssh or before mrtimdog
[22:18] <mrtimdog> ﻿jk_: Before, i.e., on your local machine.
[22:20] <nemo> tgelter: you could rerun the alternatives config
[22:20] <tgelter> nemo: which of these did you install: flashplayer-mozilla, flashplugin, flashplugin-nonfree
[22:20] <jk_> mrtimdog, after entering password, the xclock displays in on the local screen
[22:21] <jk_> how do i get it to display on the remote mrtimdog
[22:23] <mrtimdog> jk_: Doesn't 'ssh <ip> DISPLAY=:0 <app>' work?
[22:24] <ogre>  trying to run quake4 but am getting these errors. can anyone tell me what packages i need to install http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62566/
[22:24] <Monobi2> Hi. I just installed Hardy (using Wubi). I wanted to get some packages, but the urls in sources.list pointed to nonexistant locations. I modified my /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the gusty urls, but it still doesnt work :| http://pastebin.com/d13d3d919
[22:25] <nosrednaekim> Monobi2: better take out those gutsy ones immediately
[22:25] <Monobi2> er, do you have a copy of the correct one?
[22:25] <Monobi2> Because I can't apt-get install anything :| .
[22:26] <jepler> ogre: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-576565.html
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> Monobi2: did you run apt-get update?
[22:26] <jepler> ogre: same error, didn't read far enough to see if there's a solution in there for you
[22:26] <jk_> mrtimdog, it does not,i get "ssh: DISPLAY=:0:Name or Service not known
[22:26] <Monobi2> nosrednaekim: well, could I have a correct copy of the sources.list file? I fscked my up now :| .
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> Monobi2: ah.... well you can generate a new one in synatpic->preferences->reposiories I believe
[22:27] <Monobi2> :|
[22:27] <Monobi2> nosrednaekim: where?
[22:28] <nosrednaekim> synaptic package manager
[22:28] <nosrednaekim> or if you are using Kubuntu, Adept
[22:28] <mrtimdog> ﻿﻿jk_: Does 'ssh <ip> DISPLAY=<same-ip-again>:0 <app>' work?
[22:28] <ogre> jepler:  heh that was unexpected.  thanks alot
[22:29] <tgelter> Monobi2: do you have your video card drivers installed correctly?
[22:29] <Jaymac> I've enabled Receive Files from Remote Devices in bluetooth settings but I still cannot send files TO my PC in bluetooth...
[22:29] <Jaymac> sending files from PC to phone works fine
[22:30] <Monobi2> nosrednaekim: well, thank you :)
[22:30] <spudgunner> whats the status of the gnome-desktop-environment package?  I can't install it because of unmet dependency of gnome-keyring-manager.  Is this my error?
[22:31] <jk_> exit
[22:32] <esox> xorg.conf changed a lot since gutsy, is it normal or is it an error ?
[22:33] <Oli``> what's the samba gui thing called in preferences? I can't seem to find it anymore
[22:34] <johnny_> so, during the initial upgrade, i got the pycentral issue (two weeks ago)
[22:34] <johnny_> manually upgrading pycentral fixed it
[22:34] <johnny_> but now i'm getting another pycentral issue
[22:36] <HorizonXP> hey, is anyone else having trouble with Rhythmbox's cover art plugin?
[22:37] <HorizonXP> it's not looking up new ones
[22:37] <thoreauputic> Can someone confirm bug 211993 on launchpad? Run ls -l /dev/cdrom /dev/cdrw /dev/dvd /dev/dvdrw and see if the symlinks are there on your system.
[22:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211993 in udev "[hardy] [udev] Failure to create symlinks /dev/dvd. /dev/dvdrw. /dev/cdrw etc." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211993
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> HorizonXP: IIRC, amazon just changed their cover system
[22:37] <HorizonXP> existing ones work fine, they display
[22:37] <johnny_> so
[22:37] <HorizonXP> ﻿nosrednaekim: bah, seriously??
[22:38] <HorizonXP> ﻿nosrednaekim: so when's that gonna get fixed now :(
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> HorizonXP: its what I heard from my brother
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> exaile has already fixed it from what I heard
[22:39]  * HorizonXP mutters to himself. 
[22:39] <pen> nosrednaekim: really? I don't know why amarok let album pic look so pity. It's all messed up
[22:39] <HorizonXP> I'll wait patiently I guess
[22:39] <pen> nosrednaekim: is it because amazon change their site?
[22:39] <netdu1> dpgk --force-overwrite -i liblanchpad-*.deb
[22:39] <thoreauputic> Also please confirm or deny bug 213149
[22:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213149 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio breaks on switching from tty7 to tty [1-6] (in and out of Gnome)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213149
[22:40] <netdu1> dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system
[22:41] <netdu1> how to fix that?
[22:42] <pen> how to change the priority of an app permanently?
[22:43] <Bassetts> hey, is there a way to get pidgin to flash in the window list when there is a new message?
[22:43] <nosrednaekim> pen: yea
[22:43]  * Bassetts thinks I just found it
[22:43] <pen> nosrednaekim: you know?
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> pen: yeah.. amazon messed it up
[22:44] <pen> nosrednaekim: sorry, I thought you were answering my other question...
[22:44] <Bassetts> OK I did not find the option
[22:44] <pen> nosrednaekim: no wonder the pics are horrible
[22:44] <h3sp4wn_> thoreauputic: Why is that a  bug ? /dev/scd0 is there
[22:44] <h3sp4wn_> don't see the point in having tons of stuff in /dev when they are just the same device
[22:45] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn_: no symlinks means apps looking for /dev/cdrom etc. can't find it
[22:45] <netdu1> people, am locked out, help please
[22:45] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn_: Any app or script that uses /dev/cdrom, /dev/cdrw etc braaks
[22:46] <h3sp4wn_> Then the apps should be fixed
[22:46] <pen> how to change the nice value of an app permanently?
[22:46] <h3sp4wn_> To not hardcode such stuff
[22:46] <m1r> hello
[22:48] <nemo> tgelter: sorry. flashplugin-nonfree
[22:48] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn_: umm - *cough* OK so how would you code to discover which devices have write cpability for example? And why was this OK in previous releaases?
[22:48] <netdu1> who else to ask?
[22:48] <nemo> pen: add a wrapper script to ~/bin ? :)
[22:48] <pen> nemo: what do you mean?
[22:48] <mrtimdog> Cool, just booted into my USB stick installed ubuntu :)
[22:48] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn_: and why can the symlinks not be included in the start up scripts, as I suggested ?
[22:48] <nemo> pen: what. want an example?
[22:48] <pen> nemo: how does that relate to nice value of an app?
[22:48] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn_: It's a trivial and easy addition
[22:48] <h3sp4wn_> thoreauputic: I would prefer a less cluttered /dev
[22:49] <nemo> pen: echo -e "#!/bin/bash\nfirefox\nrenice 19 $!" > ~/bin/firefox && chmod 755 ~/bin/firefox
[22:49] <nemo> :-p
[22:49] <nemo> hm
[22:49] <nemo> there should be an & after firefox in the script in order to run in background
[22:49] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn_: You seem to be missing the point. Existing apps break, and such apps exist in hardy
[22:49] <pen> nemo: what does this script do?
[22:49] <nemo> without the &, not much :)
[22:50] <nemo> echo -e "#!/bin/bash\nfirefox&\nrenice 19 $!" > ~/bin/firefox && chmod 755 ~/bin/firefox
[22:50] <nemo> there. better.
[22:50] <nemo> pen: is a wrapper script for firefox
[22:50] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn_: do the symlinks exist on your system, or not?
[22:50] <pen> nemo: what does that do?
[22:50] <nemo> grrr. another flaw :(
[22:50] <mluser-work> How do I change hardy to always start in runstate 3?
[22:50] <nemo> pen: right now is recursive. ok.
[22:51] <nemo> echo -e "#!/bin/bash\n/usr/bin/firefox&\nrenice 19 $!" > ~/bin/firefox && chmod 755 ~/bin/firefox
[22:51] <nemo> THAT SHOULD DO IT
[22:51] <nemo> dammit
[22:51] <nemo> pen: should make sure that whenever you run firefox it is reniced to the nicest possible level
[22:51] <h3sp4wn_> thoreauputic: No - you can get the information from /sys/block/scd0 anyway
[22:52] <pen> nemo: ok, thx for the script but I want to change compiz.real nice to -1 I didn't ask for firefox
[22:52] <spudgunner> thoreauputic:  I see my symlinks just fine (bug 211993)
[22:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211993 in udev "[hardy] [udev] Failure to create symlinks /dev/dvd. /dev/dvdrw. /dev/cdrw etc." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211993
[22:52] <nemo> pen: it was a friggen example :-p  adapt it
[22:52] <pen> nemo: :S
[22:52] <netdu1> why computer boot into read only file system?
[22:52] <nemo> pen: to set to negative one you'll probably need a sudo
[22:52] <thoreauputic> spudgunner: Ah - well perhaps there was a glitch in my update, thanks
[22:52] <nemo> pen: which means you'll want to modify sudoers
[22:52] <pen> nemo: where should I put that script to?
[22:52] <pen> nemo: what?
[22:53] <pen> nemo: it shouldn't be that complicated
[22:53] <mooboo1> help my GDM is strange, its huge, and its like 4x bigger as normal, and imagine if was 2 rows, 2 columns, then i only top-left
[22:53] <mooboo1> anyone know?
[22:53] <nemo> pen: and if you are modifying compiz.real, you'll probably actually want to be editing your X start settings
[22:53] <thoreauputic> spudgunner: I fixed the start up and now it's OK - I wanted to find out if others had the same problem. Apparently not
[22:53] <nemo> pen: you could simply set a startup script in gnome to renice compiz
[22:53] <pen> nemo: but I'm only changing nice value why...?
[22:53] <nemo> it'll still require sudo since -1 is...
[22:53] <nemo> pen: because -1 requires administrative
[22:53] <pen> nemo: oh
[22:54] <nemo> pen: you can renice to 0-19 no problem as a user
[22:54] <nemo> actually...
[22:54] <nemo> I think as a user you can only make nicer
[22:54] <nemo> not less nice
[22:54] <sourcemaker>  is there a kicker plugin which looks like apple's one...
[22:54] <nemo> pen: for what you want, a start script would probably work fine though.
[22:54] <pen> nemo: I'm doing this because I think renice compiz.real would speed up compiz
[22:54] <pen> nemo: ok
[22:54] <nemo> pen: that seems unlikely btw.
[22:54] <mooboo1> help my GDM is strange, its huge, and its like 4x bigger as normal, i can only see top-left
[22:54] <nemo> your problems with compiz probably lie elsewhere
[22:55] <pen> nemo: I have conky, and I see whenever my animation slow is when compiz.real not on the top CPU app
[22:55] <pen> nemo: just a thought
[22:55] <nemo> pen: no clue what conky is
[22:55] <nemo> pen: some compiz plugins are CPU heavy vs GPU
[22:55] <nemo> like the water one, for example.
[22:55] <pen> nemo: it's the coolest desktop system monitor
[22:56] <nemo> pen: compiz shouldn't ever be the top CPU app though
[22:56] <pen> nemo: water?
[22:56] <pen> nemo: oh
[22:56] <pen> nemo: I'm not sure, I have been looking for solution for days
[22:56] <nemo> pen: compiz should take like <1% of your cpu
[22:56] <nemo> pen: try in #compiz-fusion
[22:57] <nemo> pen: if you want to test the renice though, you can do it without any fancy scripts
[22:57] <nemo> pen: just open a terminal and execute the renice and see if it helps
[22:57] <pen> nemo: ok
[22:57] <testx> hi all
[22:57] <pen> nemo: what is the syntex?
[22:58] <testx> i am on Ubuntu hardy 2.6.24-15-generic and i got some problems
[22:58] <pen> nemo: I type renice 1 compiz.real
[22:58] <pen> nemo:  it says bad value
[22:58] <nemo> pen: sudo renice -1 `ps auwx | grep compiz.real | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}'`
[22:58] <testx> well didnt have any issues few days ago when i updated it
[22:58] <testx> but when i ran the update today my network manager looks strange and i cant get my wlan or lan to work
[22:59] <pen> nemo: thx
[22:59] <testx> i got a problem the first time i updated my system to 8.4 with nvidia and fixed it with the nvidia beta driver got a better screen resolution
[23:00] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn_: spudgunner says he has the symlinks - do you also have them? If so I think I can close the bug or at least add a comment.
[23:00] <nemo> pen: btw. you did say -1 right? 'cause your initial one you said "1"
[23:00] <nemo> 17:58 < pen> nemo: I type renice 1 compiz.real
[23:00] <pen> nemo: -1 yes
[23:00] <mooboo1> help my gdm is big, and i can only see top-left, rest is outside the screen, why?
[23:00] <nemo> ok
[23:00] <pen> nemo: I was just want to play around
[23:00] <pen> nemo: but i ultimately want to try -1
[23:00] <spudgunner> thoreauputic:  specifically, i have the cd ones, but not the dvd ones - but this is expected since I have no dvd drive :-)
[23:00] <nemo> mooboo1: post your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log
[23:01] <pen> nemo: btw, it seems like compiz is smooth now
[23:01] <pen> nemo: strange
[23:01] <spudgunner> possibly your system didn't detect your drives for whatever reason and that is the source of the bug...
[23:01] <thoreauputic> spudgunner: right :)
[23:01] <nemo> mooboo1: your display resolution is being set waaaay bigger than what it should be
[23:01] <nemo> mooboo1: which means probably something has changed in your graphics driver
[23:01] <mooboo1> nemo, no gdm and x both run in 1280x1024, as it should
[23:01] <nemo> mooboo1: right. so you are seeing a 1280x1024 screen
[23:01] <savvas> i wish there was an application to re-bandwidth-shape 10 some apps :P
[23:01] <pen> nemo: nvm, thx for solving my problem. But I have new question.
[23:01] <nemo> mooboo1: but. due to some flaw, perhaps it is using vesa, you are seeing it at an actual res of something lower
[23:02] <thoreauputic> spudgunner: I'm thinking it might have been a glitch in the dist-upgrade ( update-manager)
[23:02] <mooboo1> nemo, but i only see the top-left corner of it, like 640x480, rest is outside screen
[23:02] <nemo> mooboo1: see above. and post those logs
[23:02] <nemo> and conf
[23:02] <pen> nemo: where should I put this script to let me execute everytime ubuntu startup? in a sh and put it in session manager?
[23:02] <pen> nemo: or there are other ways?
[23:02] <nemo> mooboo1: that use to be totally normal if you'd ever used ctrl-alt-- ctrl-alt-+ in past
[23:02] <thoreauputic> spudgunner: The drives worked fine, just had no symlinks until I fixed it :)
[23:02] <mooboo1> nemo, dont think i have
[23:02] <spudgunner> thoreauputic:  it *deleted* the links on a dist-upgrade... yes that would seem to be a problem...
[23:03] <mooboo1> also, after i login, my desktop is completly normal
[23:03] <nemo> pen: you could put this change in /usr/bin/compiz I suppose
[23:03] <nemo> pen: or in your gnome startup scripts
[23:03] <nemo> mooboo1: whatever. the Xorg log will still be informative
[23:03] <pen> nemo: where are the gnome startup scripts?
[23:03] <pen> nemo: I think i will go for that
[23:04] <nemo> System->Preferences->Sessions
[23:04] <nemo> pen: you will need a wrapper script
[23:04] <nemo> pen: in order for it to run sanely you will probably want a single line wrapper script that does:
[23:04] <pen> nemo: but isn't that require administrative password? since it has sudo.
[23:04] <nemo> pen: right. it will
[23:05] <pen> nemo: how can I get pass that in a script?
[23:05] <nemo> well. your password, since you are probably an admin
[23:05] <nemo> pen: have the script call gksudo I suppose
[23:05] <nemo> either that, or whitelist the script in sudoers
[23:05] <nemo> either one
[23:05] <pen> nemo: but doesn't that mean I have to type another pass everytime I log in?
[23:05] <pen> nemo: oh
[23:05] <sourcemaker> I have installed conky described in kubuntu wiki and receive the following message:Conky: MPD error: problems getting a response from ... how can I disable MPD?
[23:05] <nemo> pen: yes. unless you whitelist the script
[23:05] <nemo> pen: and not another pass. the same pass
[23:05] <pen> nemo: interesting. that's cool. Where can I whitelist the script?
[23:06] <nemo> pen: you would do a ~/bin/compizrenice that executed: gksudo renice -1 `ps auwx | grep compiz.real | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}'`
[23:06] <nemo> pen: /etc/sudoers
[23:06] <bean-oh> anyone else getting a broken launchpad-integration1 package?
[23:06] <nemo> $ sudo grep nemo /etc/sudoers
[23:06] <nemo> nemo  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /home/nemo/bin/snowalert
[23:06] <nemo> pen: that is an example line from my sudoers - it allows "snowalert" to be run without a password
[23:07] <nemo> pen: that is a script, btw, that turns on and off the little USB snowman from Think Geek :)
[23:07] <nemo> I use it for notifying me of stuff
[23:07] <pen> nemo: :) cool
[23:07] <pen> nemo: btw, do I need sh for the script extension?
[23:07] <nemo> pen: you can call your script whatever you want. this is linux
[23:07] <jordi1984> bean-oh: I had the problem but is you refresh your repositories information now is solved.
[23:07] <joanie> hey.  Recent update did bad things to keyboard shortcuts (blew them away), mouse (can't get left-handed mouse functioning), general appearance stuff (theme's hosed).  Anyone know what specific package(s) I should be suspecting?
[23:07] <nemo> pen: hell. half the stuff in /usr/bin is probably a script wrapper
[23:07] <pen> nemo: I thought you must add .sh
[23:07] <nemo> pen: that's just for clarity
[23:07] <bean-oh> oh great, thankjs jordi1984
[23:08] <pen> nemo: that makes sense
[23:08] <nemo> pen: if you're curious about how things are done these days, you might want to look into freedesktop's mime allocation - is a combination of file magic and extensions. with weightings
[23:08] <nemo> pen: adding an extension is a good idea, to be sure, but not a requirement.
[23:08] <jordi1984> bean-oh: I use the main server, maybe if you're using another you will have to wait for the sync
[23:09] <pen> nemo: sure, thx for the information anyways
[23:09] <nemo> pen: cp UserManual.pdf foo && gnomevfs-info -s foo | grep MIME
[23:09] <nemo> MIME type         : application/pdf
[23:10] <nemo>  cp UserManual.pdf foo && gnomevfs-info foo | grep MIME
[23:10] <nemo> MIME type         : application/octet-stream
[23:10] <nemo> pen: that is an example of why you want to use file extensions :)
[23:10] <netdu1> ok, let's see... ubuntu boot into read only file system, how do I fix it?
[23:10] <nemo> pen: the -s means "slow"
[23:10] <pen> nemo: I see
[23:10] <nemo> netdu1: your disc needs repair maybe?
[23:10] <nemo> fsck?
[23:10] <bean-oh> jordi1984, i believe i'm on the main, updating now
[23:10] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn_: By the way, /sys/block/scd? doesn't exist - perhaps you meant /dev/sr0 /dev/sr1 and so on
[23:11] <netdu1> nemo: nope, it is related to liblanchpad thing
[23:11] <nemo> ah
[23:11] <nemo> *shrug*
[23:11] <netdu1> I need rw fs to install newer deb
[23:12] <nemo> pen: btw. if you specify an absolute path like I did in sudoers be sure to *ALWAYS* use the path when executing sudo
[23:12] <nemo> pen: don't say  sudo compiz-renice
[23:12] <pen> nemo: I see. but did you tell me how to change my sudoers? i have no idea how to add the script..
[23:13] <nemo> pen: sudoedit command. or if you really don't care, just edit it and add a line like the one I gave in my grep example
[23:13] <bean-oh> jordi1984, that appears to have fixed it. weird that it didn't refresh on it's own. i thought was up to date. guess not.
[23:14] <pen> nemo: ok
[23:14] <Arand> is last update reasonably safe?
[23:15] <jordi1984> bean-oh: the repositories information refreshes only once a day
[23:15] <Wrldwlkr> I'm having a problem with hardy and the nvidia drivers, and I don't know how to report it.
[23:16] <jordi1984> bean-oh: if you want it to be more often you have to do it manually
[23:16] <mooboo1> nemo: http://pastebin.com/d5e9c2ea1 -- my logfile. my config file havent changed, and is still the same, didnt have problem until today
[23:17] <Wrldwlkr> If I enable the nvidia driver, X can't use my monitor at the right size...
[23:17] <nemo> mooboo1: well, that's why I suspected a driver change :-p
[23:17] <Gnine> !debug | Wrldwlkr
[23:17] <ubotu> Wrldwlkr: For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[23:18] <Wrldwlkr> it defaults to 800x600. To get the correct size back I have to uninstall and reinstall nvidia-glx-new and not enable it.
[23:18] <mooboo1> nemo, i did apt-get update, and there been many updates today, like 60... then again maybe 19
[23:18] <bean-oh> jordi1984, oh cool, thanks. I thought it was more frequent. good to know.
[23:19] <jordi1984> bean-oh: no problem
[23:21] <nemo> mooboo1 - hm. your problem sounds like Wrldwlkr's
[23:21] <mooboo1> oh
[23:21] <mooboo1> i have nvidia-glx-new and run fine on 1280x1024 though
[23:22] <pen> nemo: btw, if I want to change other app nice to 1 at startup how do I do it? same script hack or there is other interface for doing that?
[23:22] <nemo> ... to 1. not -1?
[23:22] <pen> nemo: yea, for other apps
[23:22] <nemo> if you want to change to 1, it'd be about the same thing, only without the sudo
[23:23] <pen> nemo: got it
[23:23] <nemo> pen: if you're going to do a lot of this sort of thing you might want to make one big wrapper script :-p
[23:24] <nemo> ~/bin/pen-renice compiz.real firefox mysql
[23:24] <nemo> hm
[23:24] <nemo> ~/bin/pen-renice compiz.real -1 firefox 1 mysql 19
[23:24] <pen> nemo: ok
[23:24] <nemo> that wouldn't be that complicated a script to write. just a single loop
[23:24] <nemo> pen: or. I guess you could just grant sudo without password to renice
[23:25] <pen> nemo: maybe
[23:25] <pen> nemo: Just another little question :p Is it possible to format my partition to other file system without losing my data? like from reiserfs to ext3... I 'm curious whether my compiz is slow by my file system.
[23:26] <nemo> if your compiz is slow, it is either your graphics card or a sucky config.  if you are using a lot of translucency on a sucky graphics card it will be slow
[23:27] <nemo> or, you are using some CPU heavy plugin, but there aren't many of those
[23:27] <nemo> it most definitely will not be your filesystem
[23:27] <nemo> pen: you might want to tone down the special effects.
[23:27] <nemo> pen: ask in #compiz-fusion  for advice
[23:27] <pen> nemo: I have a 8400S nvidia graphics cards
[23:28] <pen> nemo: I'm surprised that compiz is slow on this card
[23:28] <CloudFX> hi, im looking to run hardy beta on a virtual machine off of gutsy
[23:28] <RoAkSoAx> CloudFX, which virtualization tool are you using, what od you need to know
[23:28] <mluser-work> Is there a way to change hardy so that it boots into runstate 3 (terminal) instead of runstate 5 (X)?
[23:29] <CloudFX> I'm starting from scratch.. I'm quite clueless with virtual machines.  All i know is that VMWare doesn't support my system
[23:29] <RoAkSoAx> CloudFX, are you using hardy?
[23:30] <nemo> pen: did you enable the restricted drivers?
[23:30] <pen> nemo: of course
[23:30] <CloudFX> no, im on gutsy; i wan't to run hardy off of it
[23:30] <pen> nemo: I use the driver provided by the repository
[23:30] <pen> nemo: is it the bug of NVIDIA graphics driver?
[23:30] <nemo> hm. that card is fairly respectable actually
[23:31] <nemo> *shrug*
[23:31] <RoAkSoAx> CloudFX, you can install vmware on gutsy, download it from www.vmware.com/download/server
[23:31] <nemo> mooboo1: hey
[23:31] <nemo> mooboo1: got around to reading your Xorg log
[23:31] <nemo> 435. (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes:
[23:31] <nemo> 436. (II) NVIDIA(0):     "1280x1024@85"
[23:31] <nemo> 437. (**) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size configured to be 2048 x 1536
[23:31] <CloudFX> RoAkSoAx: I'll give it a go.  Thanks for your help!
[23:32] <nemo> mooboo1: note that nutty bit about virtual screen size
[23:32] <nemo> and coming from nvidia
[23:32] <mooboo1> nemo, yeah i've had that virtual thing in my xorg.conf a long time without any problem, someone told me it would speed up compiz
[23:32] <nemo> mooboo1: um. why?
[23:32] <RoAkSoAx> no prob CloudFX
[23:32] <nemo> mooboo1: weirdo :-p
[23:32] <mooboo1> hehe
[23:32] <mooboo1> its been fine until today though...
[23:33] <nemo> mooboo1: and then you come here. something weeeird is happening. dunno whyyyy.
[23:33] <mooboo1> ya
[23:33] <nemo> mooboo1: well. maybe it is something else. guess you could post your other xorg log...
[23:33] <nemo> mooboo1: anyway. can't hurt to comment it out
[23:33] <mooboo1> i havent touched my xorg in a while, but yeah, ill try comment it out
[23:34] <nemo> mooboo1: could just back up entire xorg.conf and regenerate...
[23:35] <mooboo1> how to regenerate?
[23:35] <mooboo1> doesnt it do that automatically, when its absent?
[23:35] <Fritzel> can compiz be used on hardy kde4 if kde4 effects are disabled?
[23:38] <nemo> mooboo1: maybe. never tried that approach
[23:39] <nemo> mooboo1: I'd recommend running the Ubuntu xorg configuration tool, followed by the nvidia one
[23:39] <nevoeiro> hi. does hardy beta supports dual monitor?
[23:39] <mooboo1> ubuntu xorg configuration tool?
[23:39] <rod> excuse me, anybody having a problem with ISTANBUL not recording correctly?
[23:39] <nemo> mooboo1: that'd be dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  and nvidia-xconfig
[23:39] <nemo> respectively
[23:39] <mooboo1> oh
[23:40] <billybobobo> Does anyone know why a lot of the Plasma applets aren't available?  I don't have Slideshow nor Weather nor others that I see bloggers posting about :(
[23:40] <nemo> mooboo1: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg --frontend=gnome   if you like pretty GUIs
[23:40] <mooboo1> oh
[23:42] <Leftmost> I just updated my language pack but translations for gedit have not updated. I'm looking at Launchpad and all the strings are changed there but nothing is different in the langpack. Any clue?
[23:42] <jbroome> df -h
[23:42] <jbroome> doh, sorry
[23:42] <Fritzel> can anyone make any recommendations for an rpg to play?
[23:43] <nemo> Fritzel: MMORPG?
[23:43] <Fritzel> mmorpg ideally, but not neccesarily
[23:43] <Fritzel> and not wow
[23:43] <Fritzel> other than that one
[23:43] <Flannel> !games
[23:43] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[23:43] <Fritzel> thank you ^^
[23:44] <nemo> Fritzel: Tales of Pirates runs ok under Wine, and is free
[23:44] <nemo> Fritzel: http://happypenguin.org/list?sort=category&search=rpg  other than that. dunno. I tend to play RTS and am a big Spring fan
[23:44] <Fritzel> alright I'll take a look, any other suggetsions?
[23:44] <Fritzel> what's Spring
[23:44] <nemo> http://spring.clan-sy.com
[23:45] <nemo> is cross-platform
[23:45] <nemo> also #taspring
[23:45] <nemo> Fritzel: oh. if you do try Tales of Pirates under Wine, set sound to esd
[23:45] <nemo> at least, that used to be important
[23:45] <mooboo1> nvidia-xconfig adds "Load glx", even though Xorg does that by default in recent versions
[23:46] <nemo> mooboo1: *shrug* was just an idea :)
[23:46] <nemo> mooboo1: you could try the dpkg-reconfigure and skip the nvidia-xconfig bit
[23:46] <mooboo1> nemo, ya gonna try
[23:47] <nemo> mooboo1: also, I have an nvidia card. you can have my xorg.conf if you want
[23:47] <mooboo1> thanks :p but nah, ill look into this :D
[23:48] <mooboo1> probably it get fixed in update tomorrow else :p
[23:58] <heartsblood> has anybody experienced sound lag in hardy?
[23:59] <nemo> heartsblood: in pulseaudio ?
[23:59] <heartsblood> yea
[23:59] <mooboo1> 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' sucks