[01:34] ember: if you don't know what to do, feel free to fix exaile and listen multimedia keys, bug 188702... I'm willing to sponsor patches ;) [01:34] Launchpad bug 188702 in listen "hardy: multimedia keys no longer work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188702 [01:36] i will have a look thanks [01:38] ember: thanks. if you patch listen, please look at bug 208708 at the same time, which has the fix in a comment [01:38] Launchpad bug 208708 in listen "Listen doesn't export playlist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208708 [01:39] good night folks [01:39] later pochu [03:19] anyone here? [03:21] I have a sound problem: when I watch a movie with VLC the sounds suddenly goes off. My suspicion is that the sound daemon crashes. Is there a way to restart ALSA? === asac_ is now known as asac [06:33] good morning [07:03] morning dholbach [07:04] hiya pochu [08:09] bonjour [08:24] hey njpatel, seb128, mvo [08:24] hey dholbach [08:24] hey dholbach [08:25] everybody looks at the list of bugs closed in the new gnome-panel upload and hug vuntz for the rocking work there ;-) [08:25] * seb128 hugs vuntz [08:27] hey dholbach! [08:27] * mvo hugs vuntz [08:28] * dholbach hugs vuntz :) [08:29] the next one on the hug list is gicmo who worked until 4am apparently to get the new gvfs rolled [08:29] ROCK [08:29] desktop team power [08:29] ;-) [08:30] nothing on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReportingPage though :) [08:30] bonus point for gicmo who won the staying late contest, I crashed in bed a 3am yesterday :-) [08:30] oh man [08:30] * dholbach hugs seb128 [08:30] dholbach: I will add a GNOME 2.22.1 packaged there when everything is uploaded [08:30] * seb128 hugs dholbach [08:31] cool [08:47] * calc is doing all his sponsor uploads tonight :) [08:47] is it common practice for these sponsor bugs not to have debdiffs? [08:47] the first two i looked at so far didn't have them [08:50] calc: which ones? [08:51] elinks, nano [08:51] 201769 [08:51] 187936 [08:52] when i'm too busy^Wlazy to sponsor quickly it is harder to determine the changes, but i used snapshot.debian.net to get it done [08:52] calc: 187936 has a .dsc and a .diff.gz [08:53] and 201769 has a .diff.gz too [08:53] aren't we supposed to be reviewing what was changed when we upload though? [08:53] sure [08:53] diff.gz just shows everything, not what was changed from Debian [08:53] to get that you need a debdiff [08:54] actually a debdiff is really all you need at all, but diff.gz is nice too i guess [08:54] zcat old.diff.gz | patch -p1 -R; zcat new.diff.gz | patch -p1; debuild -S; cd ..; debdiff bla blubb - I knot it's a bit cumbersome, but it does work [08:54] if a package is no longer in the debian archive you have to go to snapshot.d.n to get the original diff.gz [08:55] assuming it is there, which it is in 99% of the cases (at least) [08:56] its not that hard to deal with later but it would be nice to remind people creating patches to attach them as debdiff's [08:56] sure, just do it [08:56] it takes < 1m usually to review a debdiff but considerably longer to deal with diff.gz for review purposes [08:57] * calc is almost done with all of his regardless :) [08:57] I agree [08:58] * calc isn't meaning to be rude about the situation, i just noticed what looked like a trend with the first two sponsor uploads I did :) [08:58] the third had a debdiff, yipee :) [08:59] hello [09:00] dholbach: btw assuming any more pop up this week don't assign them to me :) i will be at a conference this week [09:00] calc: alright [09:00] and aiui we aren't supposed to upload any more after thursday anyway(?) [09:00] calc: I don't know anything about that [09:01] dholbach: Final Freeze I think is this thursday, then RC next thursday [09:02] OK [09:03] so i wouldn't be able to get to them (since i will be in the air flying) if they are assigned to me as a last minute upload :) [09:03] at least if i understand what we are supposed to be doing wrt stopping uploads [09:04] thats why i am still up at 3am :) [09:04] getting all my work done before my flight [09:05] i'm done with all the sponsor requests :) [09:06] I'll wait for slangasek's announce of that [09:06] calc: thanks [09:06] ok [09:06] have a good morning, time for me to go to bed [09:06] sleep tight === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [09:23] lut huats [09:23] lool: will the mobile team do the cheese update? [09:24] salut seb128 [09:24] huats: is your gcalctool upload to sponsor now? [09:24] good morning! [09:25] hey pochu [09:25] seb128: working on it right now. [09:25] ok [09:25] it'll be in a few minutes [09:25] morning seb128 :) [09:25] huats: do you want to do the yelp update too? [09:25] moring pochu [09:25] seb128: it was on my todo list for today too :) [09:25] hey huats [09:25] and the libgweather too :) [09:26] unless you need them right now.... [09:26] huats: ok, could you download updated rosetta translations and update the patch while doing the update? [09:26] of course [09:26] I am asking for the updates [09:26] huats: libgweather has a soname change and was required for gnome-panel and gnome-applets, I did it this night [09:26] ok [09:27] (I saw the soname change in the 2.22.1.1 :) [09:27] do I need to also ask for translations for gcalctool ? [09:27] I had to ask nicely to vuntz to roll a new tarball since he didn't change it in 2.22.1 ;-) [09:27] :) [09:28] that was my guess [09:28] (that is was a mistake) [09:28] huats: no, yelp is a special case because it has translated xml which are not language packable for the documentations, other applications don't need such changes [09:28] ok [09:28] (the next question was how do I now when to ask for updates... but you already answered it) [09:31] seb128: Ok [09:31] seb128: I'll ping tremolux today; this one should be easier [09:33] mpt: hello [09:41] lool: thanks [09:41] hey andreasn [09:41] hi seb128! [09:42] hi andreasn, I saw your question but I was on a plane at the time, I'll look at it today after work [09:42] mpt: ah, great! [09:42] you mean the emblems, right? [09:42] I don't know what it was about [09:43] something in Banshee, iirc [09:43] I feel like I have delegated a dozen things to you of late [09:43] ah, the dialog thing [09:43] I sent a e-mail to usability list a couple of days ago regarding emblems, thought you meant that first [09:44] anyway, thanks a lot [09:45] seb128: I would like to touch gnome-session next and patch gnome-wm to add a check if the window manager in the gconf dir is actually available on the system :) is that ok or is someone working on the package currently? [09:45] mvo: it's ok but I uploaded a new version this morning, make sure to get this one [09:45] * mvo nods [09:45] thanks [09:45] you are welcome [09:46] andreasn, the Banshee thing is the only one I've seen ... If there are any others, please resend or send me links if you can [09:46] ubuntulog: @seen MacSlow [09:53] seb128: gcalctool is ready for sponsoring :) [09:53] huats: ok, did you subscribe the sponsor team to the bug? [09:53] I was doing it right now [09:53] ok [09:53] thanks [10:03] hey MacSlow! === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [10:14] asac: do you think you will manage to do the epiphany-browse update today? trying to get the new GNOME available in hardy today [10:15] think so yes. [10:15] cool, thanks [10:16] asac: http://download.gnome.org/sources/epiphany/2.22/epiphany-2.22.1.1.tar.gz is the current tarball [10:16] brb [10:16] mpt: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2008-April/msg00010.html [10:17] mpt: and bugs http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469407 & http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469317 [10:17] Gnome bug 469407 in general "Emblem icon work" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [10:46] andreasn, I don't think I have anything useful to say about emblems [10:46] except that it might be a problem that emblems being user-controlled prevents their use for showing standard metadata (e.g. read-only, shared, template) [10:47] right [10:47] I always thought of emblems as tags, but crap :) [10:48] haha [10:48] s/emblems/folders/ [10:49] I guess that if nautilus get a tracker-based tag system (or whatever), emblems will be phased out, but I guess we can leave them as it is for now [10:49] well, yeah, that too... [10:50] * andreasn is never able to find anything on his laptop :( [10:51] For me Tracker always returns 0 results and I don't know why [10:51] Probably there's a checkbox somewhere that I don't know I need to check [10:54] hey, that happens to me to [10:54] beagle seems to be able find stuff for me, it also seems to be able to make my harddrive make ticking sounds all the time [10:55] and go berserk on my performance from time to time [10:57] but it will probably sort itself out in the end === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [11:53] seb128: I have two (hopefully final) updates [11:53] seb128: one for ubuntulooks and one for human-theme [11:54] seb128: basically, I updated the gtkrcs and added clearlooks again [11:54] ok, cool [11:54] where are the dsc to sponsor? [11:55] seb128: http://sinecera.de/human-theme_0.13.dsc and http://sinecera.de/ubuntulooks_0.9.12-11.dsc [11:55] ok, will sponsor that after lunch [11:57] seb128: great, thanks [11:57] I built both and tested them as well :-) [11:57] you are welcome [12:19] seb128: do you mind if I add a replace to liblaunchpad-integration? just overheard http://paste.ubuntu.com/6612/ on #ubuntu+1 [12:19] mvo: read #ubuntu-devel? [12:19] no [12:19] heh :) [12:19] ok [12:19] ;-) [12:21] vuntz: why are you breaking API/ABI with libgweather in a stable release? :) [12:24] slomo: because there was no other way to fix all the 2.22.0 borkages [12:24] ok :) [12:26] mvo: we should figure a way to block obvious conflict cases at upload or in the upgrade tools [12:29] tricky, the conflicts checker might be a good candidate, but I'm not sure if he will not produce false positives [12:30] mvo: how so? [12:30] mvo: just look if something else in the current distribution conflict [12:31] seb128: you talk about the liblaunchpad-integration0/1 file overwrite problem and that we should have a way to automatically detect this? sorry, I just want to be sure I'm on the same page :) [12:32] mvo: yes [12:32] slomo: because I hate packagers! [12:32] seb128: do you have a good idea/way of doing that? [12:32] mvo: I mean that's basically iterate over the binary uploaded content and look if the current distribution content list any of those in a different binary [12:33] mvo: and if they do check if there is replaces used [12:35] right, I think the conflicts checker (by robert colins) is doing something like this. that should indeed work pretty well for all but corner cases (e.g. update-alternatives) [12:35] not perfect is still better than nothing ;-) [12:35] yeah :) [12:36] otherwise couldn't apt do an unpack similation to check conflicts or something and hold the update is there is one? [12:36] s/similation/simulation [12:36] what is bad is not that the package stay in a broken state but that all other upgrades are stopped [12:39] mvo: other crackful idea, could update-manager detect that the issue is a conflict? and display a warning about the issue and a "retry" button which would do the apt-get -f install and dpkg --configure calls? [12:50] moin all [12:50] hey fernando [12:51] hey seb128 [12:51] hi fernando [12:51] hi pochu [12:51] hey pochu [12:52] yo seb128 [12:53] :) [12:53] * pochu waves at crevette :) [12:54] crevette: will you be at UDS? [12:54] what ? [12:54] arf [12:54] no :) [12:54] I'm not really kind of ubuntu developper [12:55] plus its like in brasil or somewhere ;) [12:55] Prague, Czech Republic [12:55] hey [12:55] I'm interested :) [12:56] that's a pity, you should come! [12:56] uds on brazil? cool ;) [12:56] crevette: I'm thinking of going there, would be cool to meet you [12:56] unless it too close to LGM so I run out of money === fernando_ is now known as fernando [13:09] andreasn, :) [13:09] hmm Prague [13:10] I've been said this is a beautiful place, whin nice buildings [13:15] lut crevette [13:17] * crevette is happy so much people want to see him [13:17] hello huats [13:17] crevette: you're a star :) [13:17] get used to it ;) [13:17] not sure [13:17] no, he's a hero [13:17] a guitarhero :) [13:17] I more a kind a people slacking on every chan IRC has [13:17] pcou [13:18] pochu, yeah I am [13:18] :) [13:18] * crevette received guitarhero III for its birthday [13:18] btw http://live.gnome.org/Wii/GuitarHeroIII [13:18] :) [13:19] crevette: happy birthday [13:19] crevette: is it any good? [13:19] LOL [13:19] thus happy birthday crevette [13:19] :) [13:20] I don't really see the point to play guitar this way but maybe that's because I never tried this game ;-) [13:21] crevette: oh, happy birthday! [13:29] my birthyday is few week away now [13:29] but thanks you very much [13:29] :) [13:29] seb128, it is really funny and attractive [13:30] crevette: how does it work, do you have a pad to play guitar? [13:30] you have a plastic guitar with 5 buttons on the "manches" :) [13:31] http://www.axsion.ca/store/xcart/images/T/guitar%2520hero%25203.jpg [13:31] you can do vibrato [13:32] the tracks are nice [13:32] you have punk, calssic rock [13:33] http://dynamite.web-2-0.fr/wp-content/0000077371.jpg [13:33] this is the Wii guitar [13:33] you can play over the net [13:33] 5 buttons? [13:34] youp [13:34] plus the buttons in the body of the guitar [13:34] s/in/on/ [13:34] this is a nice piece of game to have; specially to play with friends [13:35] you should have one for UDS [13:35] :) [13:35] how can you play a guitar with five buttons? [13:35] you're not playing really [13:35] you have to type on the requeted button(s) when you have to [13:36] if you have flash look at some video on youtube /dailymotion [13:47] frets on fire!! [13:47] its wiitar compatible ;) [13:48] our ubuntu installfest mostly failed, but we did have a guy demo frets on fire with the wiitar [13:58] pwnguin, pairing a wiimote over bluetooth works mfine ? [13:59] seb128: I am sure you know that already bug 213926 [13:59] Launchpad bug 213926 in launchpad-integration "package liblaunchpad-integration1 None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/liblaunchpad-integration1.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213926 [13:59] crevette: wminput [13:59] huats: yes, the fix has been uploaded for an hour and there is a zillion duplicates [14:00] :) [14:00] crevette: and yes [14:00] ok [14:00] crevette: my mythtv box uses a wiimote for controls ;) [14:00] crevette: and playing emulators with the classic controller extension [14:01] okay [14:01] classic ? [14:01] withouth the guitar you mean ? [14:01] :) [14:01] the wiimote has several extensions [14:02] one of them is a nunchuck, another is the wiitar, the classic controller is very nearly a ps2 controller [14:02] ah I don't own a classic controller [14:03] I have the old gamecube pad [14:03] there's little reason to, unless you like to experiment [14:03] precisely [14:03] damn [14:03] I kept it to play with mario kart [14:03] works great for smash bros brawl [14:03] s/it/them/ [14:04] the classic controller is passable, but awkward in comparison to the cube pad [14:04] at any rate, you can use a wiitar to play frets on fire [14:15] pwnguin, thanks [14:15] i'll try then [14:15] pwnguin, so for wminput I need to add a new input in Xorg I assume [14:15] nope [14:15] hmm, I'll look the documentation [14:16] the wiki's fairly straightforward [14:16] you have to run uinput [14:16] a first step would be to try wmgui [14:39] is anyone working on gdm ATM? [14:40] not me [14:42] seb128: if you are not working on gdm currently I would like to upload a fix that check for /etc/environment as fallback for /etc/default/locale [14:42] this fixes a ugly i18n problem on dapper->hardy upgraes [14:44] mvo: wouldn't the fix to make sure that the default locale is set? [14:44] you mean that on dapper->hardy we should ensure that /etc/default/locale is created? [14:45] yes [14:45] that would be ideal, but is slightly more work than the two lines gdm patch [14:45] /etc/default/locale has no package that owns it (according to dpkg -S, I think the installer creates it) [14:47] mvo: ok, feel free to modify gdm, makes sure to get the version uploaded today [14:47] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6622 [14:47] if you want to review [14:48] looks fine to me [15:06] seb128: can you think of anything we can do with gdm.conf-custom for dapper->hardy? I would like to prevent a conffile prompt when the user has changed e.g. the auto-login settings [15:06] but I guess we can not do a great deal here [15:07] nop, no idea about what we could change [15:19] gdmsetup (not the very latest, the 2.20.0 I think) took a long time to start here, is that known? [15:20] what distro do you run? [15:20] hardy [15:20] ^Wdebian/potato [15:20] 2.20.0 is the gutsy version [15:20] oh [15:20] yes, there is some bugs about it being slow the first time it's ran [15:21] didn't investigate those yet though [15:21] and I don't get the issue [15:21] ok, that is fine, I was just curious [15:21] if you get the bug you are welcome to have a quick look [15:21] does it eat cpu? [15:21] could you strace it? [15:26] yeah, give me a bit [15:28] seb128: some BEGIN AUTH EXTERNAL writes to some external helper [15:28] hum, k [15:28] over gvfsdbus it seems [15:28] nothing obvious [15:29] gdm doesn't use gvfs, that's weird [15:29] it polls() on this fd for ~60s [15:30] it looks like its trying to talk over dubs [15:32] mvo: ok, thanks, maybe another issue due to gksu use [15:33] I don't think so, I used sudo directly, it seems to not make a difference [15:33] this is a dapper->hardy upgrade [15:34] let me check if I get it on a regular system too [15:34] mvo: all the bug we got were stock hardy installs so that's not an upgrade issue [15:34] mvo: no such issue on the CD [15:35] only after the first run once installed [15:35] aha, ok [15:54] fta: around? [15:58] fta: I'm doing the cairo update [16:17] could somebody who has the chan log give me the .dsc urls kwwii gave some hours ago? [16:19] dholbach: ? [16:21] [22:30] 20:55:07> seb128: http://sinecera.de/human-theme_0.13.dsc and http://sinecera.de/ubuntulooks_0.9.12-11.dsc [16:21] http://sinecera.de/human-theme_0.13.dsc and http://sinecera.de/ubuntulooks_0.9.12-11.dsc [16:21] Hobbsee: thank you [16:21] seb128: y/w [16:22] kwwii: you can't downgrade version, current human-theme is 0.15 [16:25] seb128: erm, must have made a stupid mistake [16:25] I didn't mean to [16:25] kwwii: and the ubuntulooks diff.gz seems to not be there either [16:26] no, you mentioned that you only wanted the dsc :-) [16:26] heh [16:26] seb128: I will upload the ubuntulooks stuff and fix the human-theme and upload it all too [16:26] ok, thanks [16:26] I only want the dsc url, so I can use dget on it and it'll download the diff.gz etc automatically [16:27] but those need to be available online, dget can't guess what you did [16:27] seb128: lol, I pasted the wrong url :p [16:27] It did make them right [16:27] otherwise we would not need you we could just dget to do the artwork updates ;-) [16:27] :-) [16:27] ok [16:28] so the issue is that you copied only the dsc [16:28] and not the tar and dif [16:28] right [16:28] diff.gz [16:31] hey tedg [16:31] tedg: new gnome-screensaver to package for you [16:33] seb128: ok, http://sinecera.de/ubuntulooks_0.9.12-11.dsc is up with the other files [16:33] seb128: and http://sinecera.de/human-theme_0.16.dsc along with the tar.gz, source.changes, source.build [16:35] seb128: Heh, another small bugfix there. It seems the releases are barely worth the .0.1 that they're getting :) [16:35] seb128: I haven't gotten through my e-mail, but hopefully I'll have another GPM today also. [16:42] kwwii: sponsored [16:43] tedg: ok, let me know if you need sponsoring [16:46] kwwii: Heh, "This site was made with nifty software and can be viewed with nifty software." [16:53] seb128: thanks :-) [16:53] the website that never gets finished [16:54] kwwii: you're welcome [16:54] slomo: is there any reason you didn't upload you gedit-plugins update to debian? [16:54] seb128: yes, totem-pl-parser waits for binNMU because of new evolution-data-server and is uninstallable atm [16:54] k [16:55] apart from that it's good :) [17:02] seb128: Is there Evolution issues with the Exchange backend on Hardy? [17:02] seb128: There are a couple of people reporting it as "unusable" on the evolution-hackers list. [17:02] tedg: no idea, I'm just doing upstream updates, I've no exchange server to use it [17:02] we use the stock upstream code so if there is an upstream that's likely an upstream one [17:02] Good point, I was more curious if there was a bunch of bug traffic. [17:03] One guy mentioned that it was more evident on the 64-bit version. [17:03] there is lot of bug on evolution-exchange [17:03] but nobody has an exchange server to work on those [17:04] slomo: did you try your gnome-user-share update in debian? [17:04] slomo: building it on hardy I get a [17:04] Syntax error on line 45 of /usr/share/gnome-user-share/dav_user.conf: [17:04] Invalid command 'MinSpareServers', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration [17:04] spawning httpd failed [17:05] slomo: when running /usr/lib/gnome-user-share/gnome-user-share [17:06] slomo: [17:06] + [17:06] StartServers 1 [17:06] MinSpareServers 1 [17:06] MaxSpareServers 1 [17:06] MaxClients 3 [17:06] + [17:06] slomo: why did you drop this change? [17:24] I guess I'll never remember that : what can I do in order to rebuild an autoreconf patch ? [17:25] which of course do not apply anymore with a new upstream version [17:27] huats: move it away, edit, run autoreconf --verbose --force, rm -rf autom4te.cache [17:28] Ok [17:28] thanks [17:28] today I have decide : I start a wiki page with this stuffs... [17:28] to remember them [17:33] huats: ;-) [17:34]