[00:01] <ahave> would anyone care to offer advise on how i can further debug my sata issue with mythbuntu? I can not seem to read SATA1, or SATA2 with or without AHCI..I get alot of 'unknown devices' in lspci, could it be that i am lacking a needed driver?
[00:22] <EvilGuru> ahave: Since it seems like a more general question, #ubuntu might be a better bet
[00:22] <ahave> trying there also, thanks
[00:23] <ahave> wasnt sure if mythbuntu came with a smaller drivers package or something
[00:26] <EvilGuru> ahave: I have never had to do anything to get S-ATA/IDE drives to work
[00:26] <EvilGuru> Other than ensure that I have a recent kernel version, that is
[00:27] <ahave> I would assume if i downloaded the mythbuntu iso ... a month ago that would contain the most recent kernel?
[00:27] <ahave> atleast a recent enough one to support S-ATA
[00:27] <ahave> the SATA drives work fine in windows, and I can seem them in the BIOS
[00:29] <EvilGuru> I know a year-and-a-bit ago when I first got my motherboard I had to use a patched kernel due to lack of support for the IDE chipset in mainstream ones
[00:29] <ahave> hmm
[00:29] <EvilGuru> luckily, that is no longer the case
[00:29] <ahave> how can i check the IDE chipset?
[00:32] <directhex> ahave, what's the mobo?
[00:32] <ahave> biostar 7050
[00:32] <directhex> sounds like nforce
[00:32] <ahave> yes
[00:33] <directhex> nforce chipset!
[00:33] <directhex> ought to be fine
[00:33] <ahave> then what could be the problem?
[00:33] <ahave> my sata DVD drive works fine
[00:34] <ahave> it automounts atleast
[00:34] <EvilGuru> ahave: I had an nForce2 motherboard a while back which had a S-ATA jumper. They would show up in the BIOS, but windows would not touch them unless the jumper was right
[00:34] <directhex> you're not using "RAID" are you?
[00:34] <EvilGuru> Although, if your DVD drive works, then chipset support doesn't seem like it
[00:34] <ahave> directhex, no RAID
[00:35] <ahave> the DVD automounts, let me try and see if i can read
[00:35] <ahave> currently the SATA drives will not even automount
[00:35] <EvilGuru> Have you tried another distribution?
[00:35] <ahave> EvilGuru, the thing is i can see the SATA HDD just fine in windows
[00:37] <ahave> the fact that it is a NTFS filesystem keep it from automounting?
[00:39] <EvilGuru> I have not tried NTFS for a while, but two years ago at least I never had a problem mounting it read only
[00:39] <EvilGuru> my understanding is that since then the situation has improved somewhat with write support available
[00:40] <ahave> hmm, i just noticed something. I opened up gparted and the terminal displayed some error message saiting 'Unable to open /dev/scd0 read-write (Read-only file system). /dev/scd0 has been opened read-only. Unable to open /dev/scd0 - unrecognised disk label
[00:41] <ahave> EvilGuru, I have had ubuntu automount NTFS drives just fine in the past
[00:41] <ahave> oh wait, perhaps scd0 is my DVD drive? ...
[00:42] <tgm4883> http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/hd_pvr.html
[00:45] <EvilGuru> tgm4883: I wonder what the quality is like
[00:46] <directhex> scd0 is scsi cdrom #1
[00:46] <directhex> or sata. or whatever
[00:46] <tgm4883> I would assume pretty good, but we will find out in may
[00:46] <tgm4883> well, june
[00:48] <EvilGuru> 10MBit/s x264 quality is outstanding
[01:47] <ahave> how does mythtv dvd ripper output files? .iso? or what? .divx?
[01:48] <c3rb3rus5> i think it depends on what setting you are using
[01:48] <ahave> ah, so it can output a .iso?
[01:48] <c3rb3rus5> the iso setting rips to iso.. i think that cthe compressed ones rip to vob?
[01:48] <ahave> ah,ok
[01:49] <ahave> i havent played with it yet
[02:25] <ahave> oh can i stop the backend service from running?
[02:26] <ahave> how*
[02:26] <c3rb3rus5> sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop
[02:28] <ahave> hmm, i am trying to unmount a FS.. but it tells me it is busy.. what else could be running on it?
[02:29] <c3rb3rus5> you dont have any terminals or windows opened to a folder in the tree you are trying to umount do you?
[02:29] <ahave> c3rb3rus5, oops..
[02:29] <ahave> :(
[02:31] <ahave> i am full of silly mistakes tonight
[02:31] <ahave> thanks!
[02:31] <c3rb3rus5> haham it happens
[03:03] <ahave> i am having trouble setting up storage groups.. it tells me that the test file can not be created
[03:05] <c3rb3rus5> ahave: i have not set them up yet, but did you make sure that the directories are writable by the mythtv user?
[03:05] <ahave> hmm
[03:05] <ahave> one sec
[03:06] <ahave> ah, ha!
[03:06] <ahave> how can i change user permissions?
[03:07] <c3rb3rus5> to change the owner the command is chown
[03:07] <c3rb3rus5> change actual permissions is chmod
[03:08] <ahave> so i would have to change to mythtv user? then change permissions?
[03:08] <ahave> or set permissions as root on the folders
[03:08] <c3rb3rus5> if you are using the gui you might be able to open up a properties dialog and change from there
[03:08] <c3rb3rus5> you should be able to set perms as root
[03:09] <c3rb3rus5> you'll have to bear with me, i dont quite remember.  i'm not a steady linux user, switching soon though (hopefully)
[03:10] <tgm4883_laptop> ahave, chown mythtv:mythtv /dir
[03:10] <tgm4883_laptop> you will need to use sudo on that
[03:19] <ahave> i set the ownership to mythtv, and the backend setup seems to be ok with writing the test file. but when i go to watch liveTV it cuts back to the main menu
[03:19] <ahave> is there a way i can just set the destination without using a storage group?
[03:22] <tgm4883_laptop> ahave, what does the backend log say about it?
[03:22] <ahave> remind me how to read the backend log?
[03:23] <tgm4883_laptop> nano /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[03:24] <ahave> auto expire, max required free space 1GB
[03:24] <ahave> there should be 700GB free
[03:26] <tgm4883_laptop> thats all finr
[03:27] <tgm4883_laptop> can you pastebin the last 20 lines of your log
[03:27] <ahave> sure
[03:29] <ahave> well, wait. i can go ahead and tell you permissions are not set correctly
[03:29] <ahave> error, opening file .../.mpg' eno: permission denied (13)
[03:29] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[03:29] <tgm4883_laptop> what dir are you trying to write to?
[03:30] <ahave> seperate internal sata drive... /media/media1/liveTV
[03:30] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[03:30] <tgm4883_laptop> what is the output of this
[03:30] <tgm4883_laptop> ls -l /media/media1/
[03:32] <ahave> http://rafb.net/p/GnVFKr77.html
[03:33] <tgm4883_laptop> yea you didn't set the owner as mythtv
[03:33] <ahave> is chown recursive?
[03:34] <ahave> i set it to media1 as owner
[03:34] <tgm4883_laptop> not unless you use the recursive switch
[03:34] <ahave> ah
[03:34] <tgm4883_laptop> chown -r
[03:35] <ahave> -R?
[03:35] <ahave> -r wouldnt work
[03:36] <ahave> now ls -l shows mythtv as owner
[03:36] <tgm4883_laptop> sorry, yea -R
[03:36] <ahave> yay, working
[03:37] <ahave> wow. my sata drive is crazy loud
[03:37] <ahave> the moving head is quite loud
[03:37] <tgm4883_laptop> seagate 7200.10?
[03:37] <ahave> .11
[03:38] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[03:38] <tgm4883_laptop> take it back, get a new one?
[03:38] <ahave> really?
[03:38] <ahave> i can hear it
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> well with the 7200.10 i had one that was pretty loud and one that is pretty quiet
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> so it seems hit or miss
[03:39] <ahave> 6 ft away, no background noise and it is obvious that the head is moving
[03:53] <ahave> what is the change that it is the way mythtv is streaming mpeg2 content to the HDD that is making the noise?
[03:53] <ahave> cause i am copying /* to /media1/test and i hear very little noise at all
[03:55] <ahave> any ideas?
[12:44] <replman> Hi!
[12:44] <replman> Is Terratec Cinergy 1200 DVB-S supported?
[12:45] <replman> Technisat SkyStar 2?
[12:53] <directhex|bsp> replman, check the linuxtv wiki
[12:53] <replman> i did. Only the mythtv-wiki doesn't list the card
[12:53] <directhex|bsp> did i say mythtv wiki?
[12:54] <replman> A p2, 450Mhz just for recording...should be enough?
[12:54] <replman> No directhex|bsp, you didn't :-)
[15:20] <ali1234> of 8.04:  "It is very important to note that this release is not compatible with Mythbuntu 7.10 or any other MythTV 0.20.2 based distribution."
[15:20] <ali1234> why is it very important, exactly?
[15:21] <ali1234> does it just mean you can't mix frontend/backend from different versions?
[15:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> yes
[15:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> upgrade all or none
[15:22] <ali1234> right, well, i only have one myth machine
[15:23] <ali1234> for a minute i was worried that upgrading from 7.10 was going to completely mess it up
[15:23] <rhpot1991_laptop> no, but 8.04 is different enough that you will most likely need to tweak some things again after upgrading
[15:23] <rhpot1991_laptop> see the faqs
[15:23] <ali1234> no problem, i just bought a new tuner anyway so it will need to be reconfigured
[15:24] <ali1234> new tuner supports the transport stream thing, that's why i'm upgrading
[16:02] <ali1234> ha! all the upgrade FAQs relate to things that never worked in the first place :)
[16:04] <tgm4883> ali1234, link?
[16:04] <ali1234> the one in the topic
[16:05] <ali1234> for me, music/video/dvd stuff never worked
[16:06] <tgm4883> key words there
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[16:06] <ali1234> right
[16:07] <ali1234> so, if i upgrade, and they still don't work, i won't be particularly suprised
[16:07] <rhpot1991_laptop> you mean in mythweb?
[16:07] <ali1234> in mythweb or the front end
[16:08] <rhpot1991_laptop> FE separate from the BE?
[16:08] <ali1234> no
[16:08] <ali1234> it goes like this: I put in an audio cd, it goes to the audio player thing, but the track listing is empty and none of the buttons work except escape
[16:08] <ali1234> same for videos and dvds
[16:09] <rhpot1991_laptop> sounds like you got your media mounting screwed up
[16:09] <ali1234> i didn't touch any of that
[16:10] <ali1234> in any case, i just use vlc, it works fine
[16:11] <rhpot1991_laptop> prob check the settings in the frontend and make sure they are pointing to the same place as you are playing from in vlc
[16:11] <ali1234> it is
[16:11] <ali1234>  /media/cdrom for videos
[16:12] <ali1234> dvd/audio cd player does not appear to have a mount point configuration
[16:12] <ali1234> in any case, it detects that i inserted a CD, it just wont play it
[16:20] <gandalfcome> Mythbuntu upgraded to mythtv 0.21 and now livetv doesnt work anymore (I have seperate frontend  and backend). I have the feelingit could be the misconfigured upnp. where do I configure that?
[16:32] <tgm4883> gandalfcome, live tv doesn't work over upnp
[16:34] <gandalfcome> tgm4883: Any idea what could be the problem
[16:34] <ali1234> youtube.com
[16:36] <gandalfcome> If you click live tv, it is black for a second antd hen goes back to the start screen
[16:37] <tgm4883> gandalfcome, check the backend log
[16:37] <gandalfcome> ali1234: was that for me?
[16:37] <gandalfcome> i tried didnt see anything special
[16:38] <gandalfcome> imho it didn't say anything about the frontend connecting
[16:38] <tgm4883> check your frontend log
[16:38] <gandalfcome> so I thought perhaps its the upnp not getting the right adress to connect
[16:49] <ali1234> oops lol, wrong keyboard
[16:50] <ali1234> gandalfcome: did you upgrade both frontend and backend?
[16:51] <gandalfcome> yes, now the frontend even to the 8.04 beta
[16:51] <gandalfcome> it can watch recordings just now livetv
[16:51] <ali1234> ok but are they both 0.21?
[16:53] <ali1234> hmm... well... don't know then. i guess if the log doesn't say anything useful, your only hope is to look at what is happening with a protcol analyser
[16:54] <gandalfcome> MythSocket(8274760:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket. that could be it
[16:55] <ali1234> could be. it's not a very helpful error message unless you are intimately familiar with mythtv core code, which i am not
[16:57] <gandalfcome> me neither
[16:57] <ali1234> can you watch a recording in progress?
[16:59] <ali1234> anybody know if 8.04 has an nvidia driver where interlaced output works properly?
[17:00] <gandalfcome> could be, i'm doing remote maintenance
[17:00] <gandalfcome> as far as I know
[17:03] <ali1234> define "remote maintenance"?
[17:04] <directhex|work> ali1234, interlaced output from interlaced source?
[17:04] <ali1234> directhex|work: yes, the same thing i've been harping on about for the past 6 months since i started using mythtv...
[17:05] <directhex|work> you can't do interlaced output from interlaced source with nvidia kit. only matrox cards do it properly. the video driver doesn't know which field your display is showing, and can't pass the info to the playback app
[17:05] <directhex|work> deinterlace your source
[17:05] <ali1234> directhex|work: i simply don't believe that the nvidia gpu is incapable of this. so it really boils down to if/when nvidia will bother to include it in their driver
[17:06] <directhex|work> ali1234, they haven't yet. it's a problem that was on TNT cards.
[17:06] <directhex|work> if using svideo or composite, try the flivker filter settings. man nv.
[17:06] <ali1234> no i use vga
[17:07] <ali1234> (vga connector with custom modeline)
[17:07] <directhex|work> urgh. what a stupid fringe case.
[17:07] <directhex|work> you expect them to bother with such an obscure scenario when interlaced displays are history?
[17:07] <ali1234> well, if i wanted to watch tv in crap quality, i'd just watch it on youtube
[17:09] <ali1234> those new "HD" displays are going to carry on looking worse than CRTs until HD broadcasts come to freeview - in about 10 years
[17:12] <ali1234> if nvidia don't want to support interlace properly, why do they even bother at all?
[17:13] <ali1234> i had an idea actually
[17:13] <ali1234> i could build a small parallel port circuit that detects the field, and does an interrupt
[17:14] <ali1234> no idea if this would actually work, but the circuit would contain perhaps $4 of parts, if not less
[17:57] <a1fa> wo wo wo wo
[17:57] <a1fa> so is mythbuntu 8.04 stable be released the same day 8.04 gets released?
[17:57] <tgm4883> a1fa, that or a few days later
[17:59] <a1fa> ah
[17:59] <a1fa> i am getting ready to rebuild my debian box -> mythbuntu
[17:59] <a1fa> i am still debating if i should do raid
[18:00] <a1fa> i think it could be an overkill, especially since lvm is supported
[18:00] <tgm4883> as is storage groups
[18:01] <a1fa> whats that
[18:03] <tgm4883> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Storage_Groups
[18:12] <a1fa> cool
[18:13] <a1fa> i think 500gb hd will be nuff?
[18:18] <a1fa> any known issues with the beta?
[18:29] <a1fa> did anyone get mythbuntu to work on xbox?
[18:45] <rhpot1991_laptop> a1fa: depends on your definition of work
[18:45] <rhpot1991_laptop> I've run an actual frontend there with xebian, and the mythtv python scripts for xbmc
[18:46] <rhpot1991_laptop> xbmc currently has some mythtv functionality as well, see the faqs
[18:47] <Daviey> ofc, mythtv not being made from a stolen SDK ...
[18:47] <frank_> well xbmc is being ported to linux now ;-)
[18:56] <Daviey> frank_: yeah.. thats a running joke isn't it?
[18:56] <Daviey> They've been saying that for 2 years
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[18:57] <frank_> Daviey: haven't been following that closely. I never actually used xbmc!
[18:57] <tgm4883_laptop> what about xbmc?
[18:58]  * tgm4883_laptop uses xbmc
[19:00] <Daviey> traitor!
[19:00] <rhpot1991_laptop> heh
[19:01] <rhpot1991_laptop> Daviey: actual frontend on xbox, runs slowwwwww
[19:01] <Daviey> i would think a backend would be just as crap
[19:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> well I ran it frontend only and connected to an existing backend
[19:02]  * rhpot1991_laptop shudders at the thought of running a backend on an xbox
[19:03] <tgm4883_laptop> why would you want to do that?
[19:04] <rhpot1991_laptop> well if it was all you had
[19:04] <rhpot1991_laptop> you could usb tuner it out
[19:04] <rhpot1991_laptop> s/out/up/
[19:04] <directhex> all you have? buy a real computer
[19:04] <directhex> a ?100 one from a charity shop would be a better bet
[19:04] <Daviey> it could be just a transcoding be
[19:05] <Daviey> or a secondary backend to supply content
[19:05] <tgm4883_laptop> transcoding would take you ages
[19:05] <Daviey> yup
[19:05]  * rhpot1991_laptop watches his X2 5000+ continue to run on tgm4883's export command all day long
[19:06] <tgm4883_laptop> rhpot1991_laptop, I would think it would be done by now
[19:06] <rhpot1991_laptop> nope :)
[19:06] <rhpot1991_laptop> started at 11:52
[19:06] <tgm4883_laptop> but it's only 11:06
[19:06] <rhpot1991_laptop> its actual HD, dunno if that would matter, only 30 mins long too
[19:07] <rhpot1991_laptop> well 11:52 real time
[19:07] <rhpot1991_laptop> so about 2 hours and 20 mins so far
[19:07] <tgm4883_laptop> yea it only took me about that long for an hour program
[19:08] <rhpot1991_laptop> sudo HD though
[19:09] <rhpot1991_laptop> Stream #0.0[0x7c0]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 1920x1088, 38217 kb/s, 29.97 fps(r)
[19:10] <tgm4883_laptop> yea 4 times as much information to process
[19:10] <rhpot1991_laptop> might be able to rook some info from there
[19:16] <rhpot1991_laptop> tgm4883_laptop: I think I'm gonna try to detect the info and just convert it with the same bitrates/size/etc, for people like me who prefer to waste HD space over cpu
[19:17] <tgm4883_laptop> not sure if that will work
[19:17] <rhpot1991_laptop> ah, 360 has a cap right?
[19:17] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[19:17] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[19:17] <tgm4883_laptop> can you get a small clip of a high bitrate
[19:18] <rhpot1991_laptop> sure
[19:19] <rhpot1991_laptop> I normally record a 2 minute block to test things with
[19:19] <rhpot1991_laptop> so I am not waiting all day
[19:19] <rhpot1991_laptop> do you have the specs bookmarked?
[19:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> nevermind found them
[19:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> The Xbox 360 console does not block video from playing based on a maximum bit rate, resolution, or frames per second. Each codec's maximum has been tested using various video playback sources. Content with a higher bit rate is not blocked, but playback quality may be less than optimal. Use higher bit rates at your own risk.
[19:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> the h.264 specs are much better as well
[19:24] <rhpot1991_laptop> reading this and how many features are gimped and only work with wmv makes me want to just say unsupported
[19:47] <ali1234> hey, the xbox has an RGB output right? can it play interlaced video on that output, without deinterlacing it?
[21:07] <BobSlob> I dont know where to go for help, but I need some with my soundcard (if this isnt the place... a point in the right direction would be appreciated)
[22:45] <HeMan> Hi! Isn't mythstream part of Hardy?
[22:49] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[22:49] <tgm4883_laptop> HeMan, ^
[22:50] <HeMan> but it says version 0.18, is that correct?
[22:50] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[22:51] <tgm4883_laptop> mythstream is an unofficial plugin
[22:51] <HeMan> does it work with mythtv 0.21?
[22:51] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[22:56] <HeMan> worked fine!
[22:56] <tgm4883_laptop> as it should
[22:56] <HeMan> can I use it to plat last.fm-streams?
[22:56] <HeMan> plat=play
[22:56]  * tgm4883_laptop shrugs
[22:56] <tgm4883_laptop> check the website
[22:57] <tgm4883_laptop> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html
[22:59] <HeMan> note to self, jfgi
[22:59] <HeMan> :)
[23:01] <HeMan> oh well, time to go to sleep!