[00:53] <BockBilbo> hello
[00:53] <BockBilbo> ive just removed the log files for postfix and courier at /var/log/ and wanted to create empty ones
[00:54] <BockBilbo> anyone here knows which are the file permissions for thos files?
[00:54] <BockBilbo> /var/log/mail.log, mail.info, mail.warn and mail.err y think
[00:54] <BockBilbo> i also need to know the owners if its possible ... thanks
[01:00] <mathiaz> BockBilbo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62474/ - on hardy
[01:01] <BockBilbo> thanks mathiaz
[01:04] <donspaulding> how can I tell if anacron is running my /etc/cron.daily/* jobs?
[01:05] <BockBilbo> anacron = cron?
[01:05] <donspaulding> sure
[01:05] <BockBilbo> if so, just create a simple script to add a timestamp to a file and check the file 2 or 3 days after lol
[01:05] <BockBilbo> :)
[01:06] <donspaulding> BockBilbo: I was actually looking to discover where cron logged to.  just syslog?
[01:06] <mathiaz> donspaulding: check in /var/log/syslog
[01:06] <mathiaz> donspaulding: anacron and cron are two different things
[01:07] <donspaulding> mathiaz: I thought anacron was just an alternative to cron.  anacron==cron where "cron" means the daemon that runs tasks on my system.
[01:08] <mathiaz> !anacron
[01:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anacron - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:08] <mathiaz> donspaulding: check the description of the anacron package
[01:08] <donspaulding> mathiaz: will do
[01:15] <donspaulding> is there a way for me to find the date my system was installed?
[01:15] <mathiaz> donspaulding: /var/log/installer/
[01:15] <donspaulding> nevermind, ls -l /bin/sh gave it to me
[01:16] <n6rej> i'm having a problem I think with my samba and dhcp config.
[01:17] <n6rej> I followed the directions, set network to dhcp and for somereason i can't ping the server from the server
[01:17] <n6rej> nor can I reach it from its name.
[01:19] <donspaulding> mathiaz: does ubuntu use anacron by default?
[01:20] <mathiaz> donspaulding: ubuntu-server - no
[01:21] <mathiaz> donspaulding: ubuntu-desktop yes
[01:21] <donspaulding> hmm, so anacron logs to a file the last time it ran a command, does crond do something similar?
[01:21] <n6rej> mathiaz: does something need to change in order for a server to recognize its ip from dhcp?
[01:21] <mathiaz> donspaulding: check /var/log/syslog
[01:22] <donspaulding> yeah, for some reason my /var/log/syslog hasn't changed since my install date, 5 months ago.
[01:22] <mathiaz> n6rej: is your dns server setup correctly ?
[01:22] <mathiaz> donspaulding: and /var/log/messages ?
[01:23] <mathiaz> donspaulding: make sure that syslog is running
[01:23] <n6rej> mathiaz: honestly, probably not.. its just a lan server.. I'm pulling the ip from my router..
[01:23] <n6rej> mathiaz: its been several years since i've done this, I'm rusty as heck :(
[01:23] <mathiaz> n6rej: then if you ping the hostname, it won't work
[01:23] <n6rej> mathiaz: right, i'm thinking that somehow I've got to tell /etc/hosts how to find the ip...
[01:24]  * n6rej supposes he could put it back to static, as its really no problem... just was trying to be conistent
[01:24] <mathiaz> n6rej: the hosts file on the server should have an entry for itself
[01:25] <mathiaz> n6rej: under 127.0.1.1
[01:25] <infinity> echo -e "12.34.56.78\thost.domain\thost" >> /etc/hosts
[01:25] <donspaulding> mathiaz: ouch, it's not.  And I can't seem to start it.
[01:25] <n6rej> mathiaz: under 127 its localhost, but the next line is 192.168.1.69 annabelle which was the static ip...
[01:25] <n6rej> :S
[01:25] <infinity> (But, uh, that's silly if you're DHCP isn't static DHCP)
[01:25] <donspaulding> I'm actually installing it now, even though the /etc/init.d script was in place
[01:26] <n6rej> infinity: so I should just put it back to static?
[01:27] <donspaulding> mathiaz: I can probably track things down from here, thanks for all your help.
[01:27] <infinity> n6rej: Up to you... The only static host in my network is my DHCP server... On the other hand, all the rest are "semi-static" (assigned by MAC), and my DNS server knows about all of them.
[01:28] <n6rej> infinity: well dhcp is server by the router.
[01:28]  * n6rej ugh can't type what I'm thinking
[01:28] <n6rej> the router is the network dhcp server
[01:28]  * n6rej least its supposed to be the only dhcp server
[01:29] <n6rej> and samba on my lan sever is serving as a WINS server
[01:30] <n6rej> infinity: can you take the time to help me get my dns setup right?
[01:32] <mathiaz> n6rej: check the Dns section in the Server Guide : https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/dns.html
[01:32] <sommer> heh, just going to recommend that :)
[01:33] <sommer> n6rej: the DNS section in the for hardy is probably better though: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html
[01:33] <sommer> should be the same if you're running gutsy
[01:34] <BockBilbo> well, thanks again mathiaz
[01:34] <BockBilbo> im going to bed
[01:34] <BockBilbo> bye!
[01:34] <n6rej> sommer: i want a caching or secondary?
[01:35] <sommer> probably just caching if you have an outside domain
[01:35] <sommer> you could also setup a primary "internal" domain
[01:37] <n6rej> sommer: yeah i have several.. ok, i'll look at that.. i found ..http://www.redhat.com/magazine/025nov06/features/dns/
[01:37] <n6rej> sommer: which seems to be talking about what you just mentioned.
[01:38] <sommer> yep, it's all bind9 just differences in installation and configuration file location
[01:40] <n6rej> sommer: yeah, i'm looking at both documents to make sure i go the right places... I haven't touched this kinda stuff in 14 years :(
[01:40]  * n6rej feels like a rusty hull on the bottom of the ocean :S
[01:41] <sommer> heh, just take baby steps :-)
[01:42] <n6rej> sommer: quick question.. right now my /etc/hosts file says
[01:42] <n6rej> 127.0.0.1 localhost
[01:42] <n6rej> 192.168.1.69 annabelle annabelle.lan
[01:43] <n6rej> now that last entry is wrong now cause its not static anymore.
[01:43] <n6rej> so what do I do there?
[01:45] <sommer> you could just comment it and change 127.0.0.1 localhost to 127.0.0.1 annebell annebell.lan
[01:45] <n6rej> sommer: ok great, cause i'm sure thats what the main problem was... ty
[01:45] <n6rej> now to dns :D
[01:45] <sommer> np
[01:46]  * n6rej nose to the grindstone time
[02:34] <SaschaRed> how do I add someone to the sudoers files
[02:34] <SaschaRed> file
[02:34] <michalski> do you have a gui?
[02:34] <SaschaRed> nope
[02:35] <kgoetz> SaschaRed: visudo
[02:35]  * michalski forgets how
[02:35] <SaschaRed> is there a way to do it in nano
[02:36] <michalski> sudo nano /etc/sudoers
[02:36] <michalski> wait...nope :P
[02:36] <kgoetz> SaschaRed: visudo uses the default editor, which on new ubuntus is nano
[02:37] <SaschaRed> well this works too
[02:37] <kgoetz> strictly i supposeit uses $EDITOR
[02:37] <SaschaRed> so where do I add the name
[02:37] <kgoetz> ...
[02:37] <kgoetz> SaschaRed: what are you trying to do?
[02:37] <SaschaRed> never mind
[02:37] <SaschaRed> I got it
[02:40] <SaschaRed> thank you all
[02:40] <kgoetz> np
[03:41] <mEck0> Hi guys! I want to set up a server running Ubuntu Server, which I want to use for backup computers in the lan, version control systems (svn, mercurial...), and as a file server. I have a computer with a P2 300Mhz cpu, about 288MB SDRAM, IBM 8GB Bigfoot hdd (want to add another large disk too). Is it enough for this purpose? even as a fileserver in a small lan?
[03:43] <sommer> mEck0: for that might be a little underpowered for a file server, but should do fine for the rest of the services you listed
[03:43] <sommer> for me that is
[03:44] <mEck0> okay, so its maybe better to build a new server? or what should I do?
[03:44] <sommer> if you have another machine I'd seperate the file service from the rest
[03:44] <mEck0> it would be nice if I could play music/movies from the server through the network. So it is to slow for this?
[03:44] <mEck0> okay
[03:45] <sommer> ya, I'd think you'd want more memory for that and a faster cpu
[03:46] <mEck0> Would a Intel Dual Core E2160 1.8GHz 800MHz 1MB cache with 1 or 2GB DDR2 be good?
[03:46] <sommer> heh, I'd think that would do fine... just fine :)
[03:46] <mEck0> =) fine like in overkill? :D
[03:47] <sommer> na, but you could probably combine all your services onto one machine with those specs
[03:47] <mEck0> okay, because those components are kind of cheap here
[03:48] <sommer> than I'd definitely go bigger, better, faster
[03:48] <mEck0> you mean if you would build a new server, you would buy better stuff?
[03:49] <sommer> heh, the best that fits the budget
[03:49] <mEck0> hehe
[03:52] <lamont> the mailserver for my local lan is a dual PIII-933
[03:52] <lamont> which is normally very idle
[03:52] <mEck0> okay
[03:53] <lamont> OTOH, it just does mail and DNS
[03:54] <mEck0> wouldn't even be possible to play music from my 300Mhz computer from another on the lan?
[03:54] <lamont> good question...  100MB lan, or 10MB? :)
[03:54] <mEck0> 100MB
[03:55] <lamont> the real question is really one of disk and lan speed getting the bits to your machine, and then whether or not the CPU can process bits fast enough
[03:55] <mEck0> yep
[03:55] <lamont> the slow box in the house is a P2-233, which is a print server and nothing more.
[03:56] <lamont> it pretty much is idle as well
[03:57] <lamont> interesting... Upgraded from dapper to hardy, and the drives changed from hda to sda
[03:57] <mEck0> weird :S
[04:01] <mEck0> what do you think of if I use the 300Mhz server for everything I listed above except file server... I mean, would you use an so old hdd (8GB IBM Bigfoot) for backing up stuff? or do you think it's not reliable enough?
[04:02] <lamont>  /dev/md2              27292844  11290200  14616244  44% /home
[04:02] <lamont> that's the mail server, which has a small /home
[04:02] <lamont> on raid5
[04:02] <mEck0> :)
[04:02] <lamont>  /dev/md1             679749632 439431120 226510636  66% /home
[04:02] <lamont> that one is more to my likiung
[04:02] <lamont> liking, even
[04:02] <lamont> hrm... I should clean that up some
[04:03] <lamont> 8GB drives tend to hit the trash or get taken apart for the shiny shower-mirrors they have inside...
[04:03] <mEck0> ok, I see
[04:04] <lamont> OTOH, the P2-233 has a  6GB HD.
[04:04] <lamont> :-)
[04:04] <lamont> but was a glorified lan-to-USB adapter when it went into service. :)
[04:05] <lamont> since I couldn't get the USB cable to fit into the RJ45 connector.... :)
[04:05] <lamont> it's also listed as first against the wall, esp since said USB printer died.
[04:06] <mEck0> hehe =)
[04:06] <lamont> which is why it was the first machine I tested the dapper->hardy upgrade on.
[04:39] <owh> What's with the /topic? The https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerT page does not exist.
[04:41]  * owh guesses that it was supposed to be: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
[04:41] <kgoetz> its been cutoff
[04:58] <soren> Hmm... Yeah, I wonder when tat happened.
[04:59] <owh> I suppose we could go through the IRC logs if you really wanted to know :)
[04:59] <owh> We could even "point" the finger :)
[05:00] <soren> I just did.
[05:00] <soren> :)
[05:00] <soren> It's been a month!
[05:02] <kgoetz> :D
[05:05] <owh> So much for being observant around here :)
[05:06] <kgoetz> sif read /topic :p
[05:07] <SaschaRed> dammit!
[05:07] <yarddog> !
[05:07] <kgoetz> :'(
[05:07] <SaschaRed> for some reason my server is not forwarding correctly
[05:07] <SaschaRed> http://97.90.224.132/
[05:07] <SaschaRed> but it's working inside the network
[05:07] <SaschaRed> ideas?
[05:08] <lamont> forwarding what?
[05:08] <SaschaRed> i can't see it outside of the net
[05:08] <SaschaRed> it's running apache
[05:08] <SaschaRed> sorry
[05:09] <kgoetz> so have you setup your mode/mrouter yet?
[05:09] <SaschaRed> the server is set as the DMZ
[05:10] <SaschaRed> web is port 80 right
[05:10] <SaschaRed> we are running ubuntu 7.10 server
[05:11] <SaschaRed> please help we are almost crying :(
[05:14] <SaschaRed> i think our ISP may be blocking us
[05:14] <soren> If htat's the case, there's not much we can do to help.
[05:15] <SaschaRed> still
[05:15] <SaschaRed> yea
[05:15] <SaschaRed> that would piss me off
[05:16] <kgoetz> tried running on a different port?
[05:16] <SaschaRed> what's the point for having a ten meg connection if the don't let you run servers on it
[05:16] <SaschaRed> kgoetz, I just PMed my buddy to switch the port
[05:16] <soren> SaschaRed: Something's responding to ssh on that port.
[05:16] <SaschaRed> but I think he may of fell asleep
[05:16] <soren> The authenticity of host '97.90.224.132 (97.90.224.132)' can't be established.
[05:17] <SaschaRed> yeah ssh works
[05:17] <soren> Is that the fingerprint of the server?
[05:17] <SaschaRed> that's how I am in
[05:17] <soren> Ok.
[05:17] <SaschaRed> yes
[05:17] <soren> Well, then it might very well be your ISP blocking it.
[05:17] <SaschaRed> fuckers
[05:18] <SaschaRed> well I guess I am going to bed now
[05:20] <SaschaRed> i wonder if we can set the DNS to connect to a non standard port
[05:22] <soren> THat's not how DNS works :)
[05:22] <soren> https might work, though (until they choose to close that, too).
[05:23] <SaschaRed> is there a way to proxy it
[05:24] <soren> Sure, if you have a host that's not blocked in the same way.
[05:25] <kgoetz> although proxying a server will be a pita
[05:50] <n6rej> i'm having a heck of a time... I've followed the directions as closely as I know how and I can't access my server by its fdqn
[05:51] <kgoetz> from where, and how are you accessing it?
[05:51] <n6rej> kgoetz: same network but on a windows box
[05:52] <n6rej> when I ssh in via the ip and run for hname in annabelle; do host "$hname"; done it says it don't know anything about annabelle
[05:54] <kgoetz> so you ssh'd to the server, then ran host?
[05:55] <n6rej> kgoetz: yes'r
[05:55] <n6rej> kgoetz: b4 I spent hours with dns, I could use wins to get to it, but now I can't
[05:56] <n6rej> kgoetz: i also added 2 iptables rules if that matters
[05:58] <kgoetz> n6rej: pastebin the contents of /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname . also /etc/nsswitch.conf
[05:58] <kgoetz> n6rej: what dns server are you using?
[05:58] <n6rej> kgoetz: bind9
[05:58] <n6rej> ok, one moment plz
[05:58] <kgoetz> n6rej: do hostname lookups work when you disable the server?
[05:58] <n6rej> kgoetz: what do you mean?
[05:58] <n6rej> kgoetz: turn bind off?
[05:59] <kgoetz> yes
[05:59] <n6rej> kgoetz: idk let me try that
[06:00] <n6rej> kgoetz: no by ip only
[06:00] <n6rej> kgoetz: wait
[06:00] <n6rej> it took a while but it finally did
[06:01] <kgoetz> so hostname works when bind is off?
[06:01] <kgoetz> hm
[06:01] <n6rej> kgoetz: ok, i tried in apache annabelle.lan (failed ) www.annabelle.lan ( failed ) annabelle (sucessess )
[06:02] <n6rej> kgoetz: ssh, worked with annabelle also
[06:02] <kgoetz> n6rej: how are you advertising the name 'annabelle'?
[06:02] <n6rej> kgoetz: i'm not sure
[06:03] <n6rej> kgoetz: i'm using samba as a wins server and told my xp to use 192.168.1.69 as my wins server
[06:03] <kgoetz> n6rej: have you pastebinned those files?
[06:03] <n6rej> kgoetz: should I tell the router the wins server ip also?
[06:03] <kgoetz> bbs
[06:03] <n6rej> kgoetz: no let me do that
[06:04] <n6rej> kgoetz: http://pastebin.com/m2a77f605
[06:11] <kgoetz> n6rej: change /etc/hostname to not have .lan on the end
[06:11] <n6rej> kk
[06:12] <n6rej> done
[06:12] <n6rej> kgoetz: ok, that part is done
[06:12] <kgoetz> n6rej: now running `hostname` `hostname -d` `hostname -f` should give the correct output.
[06:14] <n6rej> kgoetz: hostname returns annabelle.lan -d returns lan and -f returns annabelle.lan
[06:14] <n6rej> kgoetz: i think i need to restart something
[06:15] <kgoetz> n6rej: `hostname` should only return annabelle
[06:15] <n6rej> kgoetz: does the kernel reset the hostname on reboot?
[06:15] <kgoetz> n6rej: i'm trying to remember
[06:15] <n6rej> cause I ran a kernal name command at one point
[06:16] <kgoetz> n6rej: run `sudo hostname annabelle` , that should set it
[06:16] <n6rej> kgoetz: found it sysctl kernel.hostname=annabelle.lan
[06:16] <kgoetz> n6rej: is that something you set?
[06:17] <n6rej> yes, I ran that b4 I rebooted
[06:17]  * kgoetz has never seen the hostname set there before
[06:17] <n6rej> kgoetz: i found the command searching the net LOL
[06:18] <kgoetz> n6rej: check in /etc/sysctl.conf and mak sure theres no entry there, then run the hostname command i just gave you
[06:19] <n6rej> kgoetz: nothing that has my server name in it
[06:19] <kgoetz> n6rej: cool
[06:19] <n6rej>        /sbin/sysctl -n kernel.hostname
[06:19] <n6rej>        /sbin/sysctl -w kernel.domainname="example.com"
[06:19] <n6rej> is what the man page shows
[06:20] <n6rej> ok now hostname is annabelle  -d is lan and -f is annabelle.lan
[06:21] <kgoetz> cool. hats asit should be
[06:21] <n6rej> kgoetz: restart bind now?
[06:21] <kgoetz> *thats as it
[06:22] <kgoetz> n6rej: yeap
[06:23] <n6rej> kg Apr  8 00:22:29 annabelle named[4911]: /etc/bind/db.lan:1: no current owner name
[06:23] <n6rej> kgoetz: still can't ping annabelle.lan
[06:24] <kgoetz> n6rej: that doesnt look like bind started properly
[06:24] <n6rej> kgoetz: http://pastebin.com/m17a9b756
[06:24] <n6rej> kgoetz: http://pastebin.com/m8e141bf
[06:25] <n6rej> kgoetz: http://pastebin.com/m668b3870 (reverse)
[06:27] <kgoetz> btw. you might want to avoid using .lan, some of the mDNS systems use it
[06:27] <n6rej> kgoetz: OH
[06:27] <n6rej> kgoetz: what would you recommend?
[06:28] <kgoetz> n6rej: and i suggest asking #bind for config help - i'm pretty useless with it
[06:28] <n6rej> kgoetz: don't feel bad I am too :(
[06:28] <kgoetz> n6rej: pretty much anything thats not .lan or .local
[06:28] <n6rej> kgoetz: weird I thought those were reserved
[06:31] <kgoetz> technically they are, just like 169.254/16 (iirc thats correct ...)
[06:35] <n6rej> kgoetz: weird.. well I changed it to .home
[06:35] <n6rej> that should be safe
[06:36] <n6rej> kgoetz: yeah, binds not starting its complaining about no owner.. so I have to figure that out.
[06:36] <kgoetz> n6rej: can you pastebin the error?
[06:37] <n6rej> sure.
[06:37] <n6rej> Apr  8 00:35:34 annabelle named[5074]: zone home/IN: loading from master file /etc/bind/db.home failed: no owner
[06:37] <n6rej> kgoetz: thats in the syslog file
[06:37] <n6rej> bind acts like its starting
[06:38] <kgoetz> n6rej: is that all it tells you?
[06:38] <n6rej> kgoetz: yep
[06:38] <n6rej> lol
[06:38] <kgoetz> :|
[06:39] <kgoetz> run `ls -lh /etc/bind/db.home` and check it has the correct perms
[06:39] <n6rej> kgoetz: got rid of the error
[06:39] <n6rej> kk
[06:40] <n6rej> 644
[06:40] <godfreyhk> can anyone teach me how to partition my server?
[06:40] <godfreyhk> My knowledge is a bit outdated
[06:41] <n6rej> godfreyhk: what are you trying to do with it, that dictates alot of it.
[06:41] <godfreyhk> I have a testing/staging web(php/RoR/MySQL) server here which has 5512MB RAM and 1 80GB hdd and a 60GB hdd.
[06:42] <godfreyhk> Hmm, you no longer need a dedicated /boot right?
[06:42] <n6rej> right but sometimes it runs better.. 7.1 seems to be well behaved that way
[06:42] <godfreyhk> last time I assigned a 10MB /boot for my home computer and it ran out of space when I am upgrading the kernal :S
[06:43] <n6rej> oh yeah, 50mb is pretty "standard"
[06:43] <n6rej> you don't need it though
[06:43] <n6rej> least I didn't use it this time
[06:43] <n6rej> first time I haven't LOL
[06:43] <n6rej> do you have an "idea" how you want to partition it?
[06:44] <godfreyhk> I am not sure, I think there is way more space than I need
[06:44] <n6rej> *nods*
[06:44] <godfreyhk> so the thing is how to distribute them across the two hdd
[06:44] <n6rej> godfreyhk: there is a system whereby you can "link" those drives so they appear as one... a psuedo raid if you will
[06:44] <kgoetz> godfreyhk: 50-100mb for a seperate boot is handy
[06:44]  * n6rej nods
[06:44] <kgoetz> godfreyhk: if you split up partitios, /tmp should be seperate
[06:45] <n6rej> kgoetz: yeah but how big for tmp? 1g?
[06:45] <n6rej> same with home LOl
[06:45] <godfreyhk> okay. So now a need a /, a /boot and a /tmp
[06:45] <kgoetz> keeping /usr/local/ and var seperateis good too
[06:45] <n6rej> godfreyhk: def need a swap.. even if its only 256M
[06:45] <godfreyhk> oh right :P
[06:45] <kgoetz> although you only need a /usr/local if your building stuff from source
[06:46] <kgoetz> of course, if its not in a hostile environment you can ignore all that and use one partition if you want ;)
[06:46] <n6rej> i think if it was me I would "guestimate" how big i needed for /home and then set that as a seperate partition too
[06:46] <kgoetz> also /home seperate might help
[06:47] <godfreyhk> actually should I be storing the web stuff in /var ? or should I store it in someone's home?
[06:47] <n6rej> so make /root 80G /boot 100mb /swap 1G ( you go the room ) /home ???
[06:47] <kgoetz> or in /srv? ;) depends what it is usualy
[06:47] <n6rej> god now /var should be own baby.. so you can jail it if you need to
[06:47] <n6rej> there you go give the rest after home to /var :D
[06:47] <n6rej> all done
[06:48] <godfreyhk> thanks for the help guys :)
[06:48] <n6rej> so maybe 15G or 20G for /home incase you want to use samba for anythign or nfs
[06:49] <godfreyhk> let me do the math
[06:49] <n6rej> depends on the # of users
[06:49] <n6rej> 5G for /home should be plenty for normal "nix" users
[06:50] <n6rej> most important thing is to decide which is going to need more space www or / and let that one have the 80g
[06:50]  * n6rej swears he hates bind with a passion
[06:51]  * kgoetz suggests dnsmasq
[06:51] <n6rej> kgoetz: yeah but how much "rework" would that require?
[06:51] <godfreyhk> gee
[06:52] <godfreyhk> I just realized I have a HUGE typo up there
[06:52] <godfreyhk> 5512 MB RAM, lol
[06:52] <kgoetz> n6rej: about a dozen lines of config
[06:52] <n6rej> kgoetz: gosh... that would be nice LOL
[06:52] <kgoetz> godfreyhk: i assumed it was wrong ;)
[06:52] <kgoetz> n6rej: its not as classy as bind, but hey :)
[06:52] <n6rej> kgoetz: the ONLY thing I need it for is the lan, i dont' need it to server dns LOL
[06:52] <n6rej> s/server/serve/
[06:53] <n6rej> godfreyhk: how much ram do you have?
[06:53] <n6rej> 512
[06:53] <n6rej> ??
[06:53] <kgoetz> n6rej: i assume you mean you only need it to host dns for the lan
[06:53] <n6rej> kgoetz: yeah, i'm getting tired lol
[06:53] <n6rej> the clients are all dhcp'd to teh router and they work fine
[06:53] <n6rej> so really all it needs to do is handle enough dns for apache and wins
[06:54] <kgoetz> should work. read teh config file, you might be pleasently supprised
[06:54] <n6rej> i could really hardcode hosts files lol
[06:54] <godfreyhk> n6rej: yea, 512
[06:54] <n6rej> everyones asleep in the bind camp
[06:54] <n6rej> godfreyhk: thats not much, better make ur swap 2G then
[06:54] <godfreyhk> okay.
[06:55] <kgoetz> 512 is heaps (until he installs php :P)
[06:55] <n6rej> lol yeah
[06:55] <n6rej> i'm just as bad I've only got about 480
[06:55] <kgoetz> in your server?
[06:55] <n6rej> php,perl, mysql,apache, bind, dovecot lol
[06:55] <n6rej> yep
[06:55] <godfreyhk> actually, I need to spare like 8M for my built in display :(
[06:56] <n6rej> godfreyhk: what kind of ram does it use?
[06:56] <kgoetz> godfreyhk: why?
[06:56] <kgoetz> give teh display 512kb and use the ram for something useful
[06:56] <godfreyhk> n6rej: hmm, they didn't tell me, SD perhaps? :P
[06:56] <n6rej> you know what motherboard?
[06:56] <kgoetz> godfreyhk: how old is it?
[06:57] <godfreyhk> kgoetz: last time I couldn't figure out where can I do that in the bios, I'll try again tmr
[06:57] <pingu> Hey, anyone here know how to make nsswitch.conf look at /etc/{passwd,shadow,group} AND another file?
[06:57] <godfreyhk> kgoetz: er, very, I think
[06:57] <kgoetz> godfreyhk: if its less then 22 years old its not as old as my systems :p
[06:57] <n6rej> thats the beauty of *nix it don't care that your using a model "A" for the engine :D
[06:57] <kgoetz> *some of my systems
[06:58] <godfreyhk> it used to be the production box in my faculty's student society... now they've decided to retire it so now it became my sandbox :)
[06:58]  * kgoetz guesses P3
[06:59] <kgoetz> 80% probablility of sdram
[06:59] <n6rej> kgoetz: thats what mine is  p3 - 933
[06:59] <godfreyhk> oh, actually, I could ssh in there and check
[06:59] <n6rej> running pc133 ram lol
[06:59] <kgoetz> n6rej: i have a couple of servers, of totally different spec ;)
[07:00] <n6rej> kgoetz: i have to have a recipe box now... I have 6 domains on a hosted box, and then my lan with all its clients
[07:00] <godfreyhk> surprise! a P4 1.8, DDR 333
[07:00] <n6rej> and every machien is a diff platform lol
[07:00] <kgoetz> godfreyhk: :o
[07:00] <n6rej> godfreyhk: OH pc3200
[07:00] <kgoetz> n6rej: what do you have?
[07:00] <n6rej> that ram is FAIRLY inexpensive now
[07:01] <godfreyhk> well, I am just playing around with this one
[07:01] <n6rej> b/w g3 500 1G, xp 32 3800+, x64 2800+, xp32 Athlon 1700+ lol
[07:01] <kgoetz> servers i have sparc32+64+alpha+ia32+amd64+powerpc off the top of my head
[07:01] <kgoetz> (as my main arch's)
[07:02] <n6rej> nice
[07:02] <godfreyhk> after I gets familiar with setting up/managing the server I'll go for a VPS hosting
[07:02] <godfreyhk> * get
[07:02] <n6rej> i want a mac pro so bad I can taste it
[07:02] <n6rej> godfreyhk: look at tiger direct for pc3200 ram.. thats what your box takes.. I think 1G is like $30 right now.. maybe less
[07:03] <n6rej> scratch that.. pc2700 and nm tiger lol got o computergeeks.com
[07:03] <n6rej> s/got/go to/
[07:03] <n6rej> its $10 at computergeeks, I know cause I just bought a stick
[07:04] <n6rej> 333=pc2700
[07:04] <godfreyhk> right.
[07:04] <godfreyhk> I never knew how to do that math
[07:04] <godfreyhk> 333 <-> 2700 stuff
[07:04] <n6rej> i just bought 1G for $10 :D with $1.99 shipping
[07:04] <n6rej> me niether... I just try to memorize it.
[07:04] <godfreyhk> hmm... too bad it seems like they won't ship to canada
[07:05] <n6rej> wth?
[07:06] <n6rej> godfreyhk: well if you buy from tiger pc2700 is pricey now :(
[07:06] <n6rej> pc3200 is cheap compared to it
[07:06] <godfreyhk> well.. I guess I could try it out first
[07:06] <godfreyhk> I mean
[07:07] <godfreyhk> try setting it up first
[07:07] <godfreyhk> then go hunt for some cheap ram :)
[07:12] <godfreyhk> so, [/boot: 100MB, swap: 2GB, /usr/local: 5GB, /: remaining] <- 80   [/tmp: 5GB, /home: remaining] <- 60
[07:12] <godfreyhk> does that make sense to you guys?
[07:12] <godfreyhk> or should I be putting the swap in the 60G?
[07:13] <kgoetz> try and spread load. if you'll have lots of access to /home, put swap on the other drive. if you'll hae lots of access to /, put swap on the 2nd drive
[07:15] <godfreyhk> I guess it will mostly be accessing / (all the web stuff)
[07:16] <kgoetz> if the web stuff is in /var/, and /var is in /, then yes ;)
[07:16] <godfreyhk> so swap on 60, okay got it :)
[07:16] <godfreyhk> or should I make a separate /var partition?
[07:16] <godfreyhk> is there any advantage for doing that?
[07:17] <kgoetz> mainly security/splitting load
[07:18] <godfreyhk> security, as in setting quotas?
[07:19] <kgoetz> and setting filesystem r/w access
[07:22] <godfreyhk> I see.
[07:24]  * n6rej_ stupid windows is still pulling a .100 ip for annabelle
[07:24] <kgoetz> n6rej_: 'pulling'?
[07:25] <n6rej_> ok, this is strange..for some reason annabelle has a .100 ip according to windows
[07:26] <kgoetz> how did you determine that?
[07:26] <n6rej_> kgoetz: cause I pinged "annabelle"
[07:27] <kgoetz> n6rej_: did you add anything to your doze hosts file?
[07:27] <n6rej_> whats REALLY weird is now that I've removed bind and installed dnsmasq the host command is working perfectly
[07:27] <n6rej_> yeqah, let me see minor change
[07:27] <n6rej_> 127.0.0.1       localhost
[07:27] <n6rej_> 192.168.1.69    annabelle
[07:27] <n6rej_> /etc/hosts (END)
[07:28] <n6rej_> then i told dnsmasq to NOT serve dhcp
[07:28] <kgoetz> n6rej_: what about on teh *windows* box?
[07:28] <n6rej_> root@annabelle:/etc/network# for hname in annabelle; do host "$hname"; done
[07:28] <n6rej_> annabelle has address 192.168.1.69
[07:28] <n6rej_> annabelle mail is handled by 1 annabelle.
[07:28] <n6rej_> its being told to use wins
[07:29] <n6rej_> and i told the router to make .69 static and to make it teh wins box
[07:29] <n6rej_> wth? grrrrrrr
[07:29] <n6rej_> nic thief
[07:29] <n6rej_> can't remember how to ghost
[07:30] <kgoetz>  /msg nickserv ghost nickname password
[07:30] <kgoetz> and you still havent answered my question about th windows box
[07:31] <n6rej> kgoetz: i said "ping annabelle" and it said 192.168.1.100
[07:31] <kgoetz> n6rej: 15:57 < kgoetz> n6rej_: did you add anything to your doze hosts file?
[07:31] <n6rej> and I already ran ipconfig /flushdns
[07:31] <n6rej> OH :(
[07:31] <n6rej> let me look
[07:32] <n6rej> nope not recently, its bland
[07:32] <n6rej> blank
[07:33] <godfreyhk> hey guys I g2g
[07:33] <kgoetz> n6rej: run host on teh doze box
[07:33] <kgoetz> godfreyhk: later mate
[07:33] <godfreyhk> thanks again for your help :)
[07:33] <n6rej> later godfreyhk
[07:33] <n6rej> kgoetz: kk. stupid thing
[07:35] <n6rej> kgoetz: hahahahah found it
[07:35] <n6rej> kgoetz: forgot to restart samba!
[07:36] <n6rej> and since its serving wins it was using the cached ip
[07:36] <n6rej> kgoetz: nuts now apache says it can't figure out the fqdn....looking
[07:37] <kgoetz> n6rej: rerun the host commands ( -a -f -d) on th eserver and make sure your gettin the right output still
[07:38] <n6rej> kgoetz: nope... hostname pulls annabelle, same with -f and -a and -d show nothing :(
[07:39] <kgoetz> n6rej: so its giving ... the correct data, the wrong data?
[07:39] <n6rej> BUT, annabelle does return fine.
[07:39] <n6rej> well, to be honest I'm not sure... if I just want to reach the server by annabelle then its fine except apache don't like it.
[07:39] <n6rej> probaby cause there's not ptr
[07:40] <n6rej> kgoetz: and quite frankly i don't care if I reach it by typing BS in LOL
[07:40] <kgoetz> apache doesnt care about your external dns
[07:41] <kgoetz> it cares that it cant get an fqdn
[07:41] <n6rej> kgoetz: i think i probably misesd a step or 2 in the dnsmasq config
[07:41] <n6rej> kgoetz: yep.
[07:41] <n6rej> kgoetz: ok, so, we don't have a fqdn anymore
[07:41] <n6rej> cause it told me to take the .home off of /etc/hosts
[07:42] <kgoetz> n6rej: 'it'?
[07:42] <n6rej> kgoetz: dnsmasq instructions
[07:42]  * kgoetz has a proper domain name, so doesnt need to try and make them up
[07:43] <kgoetz> so i didnt face this particuar problem ;)
[07:43] <kgoetz> n6rej: where in the instructions?
[07:43] <n6rej> kgoetz: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3377351
[07:45] <n6rej> kgoetz: i left this as it is, cause i didn't understand the '/' #local=/localnet/
[07:46] <kgoetz> n6rej: where abouts in teh article?
[07:46] <n6rej> kgoetz: "easy local dns server" bottom of page 1
[07:46] <kgoetz> n6rej: you dont need to worry about local=
[07:49] <kgoetz> and i dont knwo what the article is saying about removing the domain names
[07:49] <kgoetz> btw http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2606.txt i'm sure theres a 2nd rfc about .local and .lan
[07:51] <kgoetz> http://www.faqs.org/qa/rfcc-1776.html looks like thier unoffical
[08:00] <n6rej> kgoetz: wow
[08:00] <n6rej> i hate to do this now but I've got to crash... dr day t/m and my wife is harping on me
[08:00] <n6rej> its 0200 here
[08:00] <kgoetz> heh. sleep well mate, i'll catch you another day :)
[08:01] <n6rej> yep thanks for your help
[08:01] <kgoetz> just fix your /etc/hosts
[08:01] <kgoetz> or go to sleep :| :P
[08:19] <kraut> moin
[08:19] <kgoetz> ello
[09:24] <mckulk_>  i cant find supported tv cards by ubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport for looking suported tv card. do i have to look in multimedia sections?
[09:27] <_ruben> jesus ... have you even *tried* looking there?!
[09:28] <_ruben> (the same question was asked and answered in #vmware, in case someone wonders)
[11:34] <forensti_> i have a pci tv card, (philips alpha) but that dont work with linux i think. can any one give advice to which new tv card should i buy that will work and is easily available (welknown)?
[14:59] <faulkes-> morning mathiaz
[15:00] <mathiaz> hiya faulkes- !
[15:15] <kraut> which kernel do i need on ubuntu/dapper to boot a galaxy 4200 with lsi-controller?
[15:16] <kraut> i thought, sun galaxies are now supported by ubuntu, but the machine won't boot with the newest dapper-kernel.
[15:34] <\sh> kraut, is it Sun Fire X4200?
[15:34] <kraut> GAH, packages.ubuntu.com is broken
[15:34] <kraut> \sh: sorry, it's a x4100
[15:35] <kraut> i'm just evaluating under it, but normally we use x4200
[15:35] <\sh> http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/sun ... hmm should be amd64...
[15:35] <Jeeves_> kraut: It should work without a problem
[15:35] <kraut> Jeeves_: which kernel?
[15:35] <Jeeves_> kraut: Any
[15:36] <mathiaz> kraut: what do you mean by "it won't boot" ?
[15:36] <kraut> 2.6.15-51 isn't booting
[15:36] <kraut> mathiaz: busybox comes up and can't find any boot-device
[15:36] <kraut> and i can't find my raiddisk under /dev/sd*
[15:36] <mathiaz> kraut: at install time ? on reboot ?
[15:36] <kraut> reboot
[15:37] <mathiaz> kraut: have you looked in dmesg to see which block device have been created ?
[15:37] <kraut> it's a installed system with my custom-kernel
[15:37] <mathiaz> kraut: so the install is working
[15:37] <kraut> sorry, not on that way
[15:37] <kraut> mostly, we are using not the normal installer, it's a selfmade one
[15:37] <kraut> the system is installed and i just want to try the official ubuntu kernel
[15:39] <kraut> anyone got a hint?
[15:42] <kraut> doods!
[15:46] <Jeeves_> kraut: Rebuild the initrd with ths LSI driver
[15:47] <kraut> Jeeves_: i just thought the same
[15:47] <kraut> but if i understoot it correc,t i need first install linux-backport modules
[15:47] <kraut> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/37452/comments/60
[15:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 37452 in linux-source-2.6.15 "fusion mpt sas driver does not find a RAID1 disk during installation(Sun Galaxy X4200 and X4100, Dell SASR5/i)" [High,Confirmed]
[15:55] <kraut> still the same problem
[15:56] <kraut> installed linux-backport modules and updated every initramfs by update-initramfs -u -k all
[15:56] <Jeeves_> kraut: I have several X4100/X4200's running on Dapper
[15:57] <kraut> me, too. but not with the official kernel
[15:57] <kraut> do you use lvm?
[16:02] <kraut> *head -> table*
[16:02] <kraut> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/37452
[16:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 37452 in linux-source-2.6.15 "fusion mpt sas driver does not find a RAID1 disk during installation(Sun Galaxy X4200 and X4100, Dell SASR5/i)" [High,Confirmed]
[16:02] <wo0f> hi
[16:02] <wo0f> do any of you use screen?
[16:03] <sommer> yes
[16:03] <wo0f> how can i stop 'users' from showing all the screens i have open as multiple logins
[16:03] <wo0f> and instead only show 1 instance of a login
[16:03] <wo0f> ?
[16:04] <sommer> not sure that you can
[16:05] <sommer> unless you disallow ps ?
[16:05] <wo0f> disallow ps?
[16:06] <kraut> a user could allways see his own screen
[16:06] <kraut> and as root it's allways possible to see every screen of every user
[16:06] <wo0f> ahhh
[16:06] <wo0f> so when another user does 'users'
[16:06] <wo0f> it will only display one?
[16:06] <wo0f> unless its root obviously
[16:08] <wo0f> ?
[16:10] <wo0f> and whats ps?
[16:15] <sommer> ps - report a snapshot of the current processes... I thought that's what you meant when users were able to see your logins
[16:25] <kraut> Jeeves_: dude, could you give me please a initramfs of a galaxy with amd64 arch?
[16:26] <Jeeves_> kraut: It's de normal default Ubuntu initrd!
[16:26] <kraut> Jeeves_: i know, but i just want to see in it, please
[16:26] <kraut> the issue must be their and i have an idea, what it is
[16:27] <kraut> s/their/there
[16:28] <Jeeves_> kraut: http://www.prevented.net/~mark/initrd.img-2.6.15-51-amd64-k8
[16:28] <kraut> thanks a lot
[16:30] <kraut> the related modules are completly different
[16:37] <kraut> fine, i now got completly the same modules
[16:37] <kraut> let's try
[16:40] <kraut> strange, it's still not finding the array
[16:40] <kraut> i'll give it tomorrow another try, bye
[16:40] <Jeeves_> see ya
[17:50] <jcastro> mathiaz: soren: feel free to add some -server sessions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[19:04] <elventear> Hello. I have an LVM LV on a VG on a PV that sits on a partitionable RAID1. When I created the LV I was able to mount it and everything worked. I have rebooted to test it and now I can't get the VG to show using vgscan. Is this because I have used a partitionable RAID (ie. /dev/md_d0p1)?
[19:12] <blue|palm> Hi, is there any difinitive source for learning how to setup, use and manage a LAMP server (ubuntu in this case)? I've started with web development, and I would like to set up a sort of a test machine to host some of the web applications i've been working on...
[19:12] <kraut> www.apache.org
[19:12] <kraut> www.mysql.com
[19:13] <kraut> there you will get some good docs
[19:13] <blue|palm> kraut, thanks.
[19:13] <Deeps> www.ubuntu.com has a lot of community docs relevant to ubuntu specifically
[19:14] <Deeps> ubuntuforums.org has a lot of discussion where you'll find most of the common problems have already been adressed
[19:14] <kraut> the ubuntu-wiki is also really helpfull
[19:14] <warchief_ryan> does it have to be ubuntu specific? http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/debianserver.htm
[19:14] <kraut> but in that case it would be also good, to read the docs from apache and mysql
[19:15] <blue|palm> no it doesn't HAVE to be ubuntu specific... its just that most of my experience is in either ubuntu or gentoo, and i don't feel like going through a gentoo install right now
[19:15] <Deeps> ubuntu+debian are very similar, so debian docs will often match very closely to what you'd do in ubuntu
[19:16] <blue|palm> thanks all!
[19:16] <blue|palm> I'm sure this is enough to get me started
[19:39] <youngmusi1> Hey. I just tried to shrink a raid partition with 'mdadm --grow /dev/md10 --size=123456789...' but 'cat /proc/mdstat' shows that nothing changes. No error message either. Am i forgetting something? The raid partition was suppposed to end up about 2GB smaller than it was.
[20:00] <michalski> does anyone here know how to apply multiple passworded, challenge response authentication on sshd_config
[20:02] <ScottK> michalski: What problem are you trying to solve?
[20:03] <michalski> in /etc/ssh/sshd_config theres a line for ChallengeResponseAuthentication:(yes/no)
[20:03] <ScottK> Right.
[20:03] <michalski> i want to enable it and use multiple passworded authetication with identifyers
[20:03] <ScottK> My answer to your specific question is no.  I've never done it, but there may be another way I can help you accomplish your goal.
[20:03]  * michalski hates asking the hard questions
[20:06] <michalski> oh sorry haha read your response wrong
[20:07] <michalski> what other way?
[20:10] <ScottK> michalski: Depens on what you're trying to do.
[20:10] <ScottK> Depens/Depends
[20:10] <ScottK> What problem are you having that you think that will solve?
[20:11] <michalski> when I connect to my computer remotly i want it to give me an identifyer at which point I have to supply a unique passphrase that is assigned to that identifyer
[20:11] <michalski> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenge-response_authentication
[20:13] <ScottK> OK.  That defines challenge/response.  I got that.  Why do you want to do that.
[20:15] <michalski> ...well to add some extra security, sometimes I have the feeling that my password is not always the most secure thing I have, so if i could set this up, and have it fairly easy to use and maintain, I would know that my computer is that much safer on the internet
[20:15] <ScottK> I see.
[20:15] <ScottK> For example, if you're worried about dictionary attacks guessing your password, you can use iptable to rate limit such attempts
[20:16] <ScottK> ssh based on key access is a much more common solution to that kind of ptoblem.
[20:16] <michalski> yes, but im more paranoid about the fact that person X knows my password, and im usually on a public computer
[20:17] <michalski> when away
[20:17] <michalski> keyloggers
[20:17] <ScottK> Ah.
[20:17] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:17] <ScottK> That's probably a reasonable solution to your problem.
[20:18] <ScottK> Personally, I just have a strict policy about not putting passwords into computers I don't control.
[20:18] <ScottK> ssh client on my palm smartphone helps with that.
[20:20] <michalski> not the easiest thing when your dragged to school every day, and absolutly refuse to use the schools server as storage space because my vice principle is....very nosesy and like watching every thing i do, just me, no one else
[20:20] <michalski> and I dont have a cell phone/palm pilot/other mibile device
[20:20] <ScottK> Sure.  Makes sense.
[20:21] <michalski> theres nothing on the wiki on how to do it, im checking launchpad now
[20:22] <ScottK> michalski: Did you look at man ssh
[20:23] <michalski> yep already did
[20:23] <michalski> gave very vague description
[20:23] <michalski> nothing on launchpad
[20:24] <ScottK> Dunno then.
[20:27] <michalski> ChallengeResponseAuthentication Specifies whether challenge-response authentication is allowed.  All authentication styles from login.conf(5) are supported.  The default is “yes"
[20:27] <michalski> thats what it says in man sshd_config
[20:29] <ScottK> Did you read man 5 login.conf?
[20:29] <michalski> i tried man login.conf....and my terminal yelled at me
[20:29] <michalski> :P
[20:30] <michalski> it says: No manual entry for login.conf in section 5
[20:31] <ScottK> At this point I recommend Google then.
[20:31] <ScottK> The answer to your question probably isn't Debian/Ubuntu specific
[20:33] <michalski> looking
[20:42] <michalski> google is jammed with stuff for having automatic login free sessions with challengeresponseauthentication as an rsa key
[20:43] <michalski> I think im just going to send off a help ticket on launchpad
[20:59] <mathiaz> jdstrand: do you clone dapper guests in kvm ?
[21:00] <jdstrand> mathiaz: I have, yes
[21:01] <mathiaz> jdstrand: how do you handle the mac adress update ?
[21:01] <mathiaz> jdstrand: when I clone the guest, the mac address is updating - on boot, eth0 doesn't come up
[21:01] <jdstrand> mathiaz: /etc/iftab
[21:02] <jdstrand> mathiaz: I have this in my clone script:
[21:02] <jdstrand> echo ""
[21:02] <jdstrand> echo "VM cloned, be sure to (in the guest):"
[21:02] <jdstrand> echo "1. update /etc/hosts to have an entry for '$fname'"
[21:02] <jdstrand> echo "2. update /etc/hostname"
[21:02] <jdstrand> echo "3. if applicable adjust /etc/iftab (fesity and earlier) or"
[21:02] <jdstrand> echo "   /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (gutsy and later) within the"
[21:02] <mathiaz> jdstrand: awesome - I have the same rules
[21:02] <mathiaz> jdstrand: for hardy, nothing is needed anymore :)
[21:02] <jdstrand> nice
[21:02] <jdstrand> hey-- a typo!
[21:03] <jdstrand> I always like to type fesity
[21:23] <mathiaz> jdstrand: how many vms do you run at the same time ?
[21:24] <mathiaz> jdstrand: it seems that I have problems if I have use more than 6 vnets
[21:24] <jdstrand> mathiaz: I don't know that I've gone more than that
[21:24] <mathiaz> jdstrand: did you encounter a similar problem ?
[21:24] <jdstrand> mathiaz: usually I go 5 (one for each release)
[21:24] <mathiaz> jdstrand: are you using a bridged network ?
[21:24] <jdstrand> mathiaz: and then I shut those down and bring up 5 for another arch
[21:25] <jdstrand> mathiaz: I haven't seen this, and I also do not use a bridged network
[21:25] <jdstrand> (todo list)
[21:25] <mathiaz> jdstrand: ok thanks
[21:25] <mathiaz> keescook: ^^
[21:25] <jdstrand> but really, in some ways I like the separate network, so I may not
[21:25] <mathiaz> jdstrand: right - I'm using a different architecture
[21:26] <mathiaz> jdstrand: my vms are hosted on a server and I want to be able to ssh into my guest directly from my laptop
[21:26] <jdstrand> mathiaz: sure-- it would definitely make it easier then
[21:27] <jdstrand> mathiaz: I just don't like them quite so accessible :)
[21:42] <keescook> mathiaz: I run probably at most 4 at the same time, usually 1 or 2.  (all bridged)
[21:42] <mathiaz> keescook: ok. Thanks.