[00:53] hello [00:53] ive just removed the log files for postfix and courier at /var/log/ and wanted to create empty ones [00:54] anyone here knows which are the file permissions for thos files? [00:54] /var/log/mail.log, mail.info, mail.warn and mail.err y think [00:54] i also need to know the owners if its possible ... thanks [01:00] BockBilbo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62474/ - on hardy [01:01] thanks mathiaz [01:04] how can I tell if anacron is running my /etc/cron.daily/* jobs? [01:05] anacron = cron? [01:05] sure [01:05] if so, just create a simple script to add a timestamp to a file and check the file 2 or 3 days after lol [01:05] :) [01:06] BockBilbo: I was actually looking to discover where cron logged to. just syslog? [01:06] donspaulding: check in /var/log/syslog [01:06] donspaulding: anacron and cron are two different things [01:07] mathiaz: I thought anacron was just an alternative to cron. anacron==cron where "cron" means the daemon that runs tasks on my system. [01:08] !anacron [01:08] Sorry, I don't know anything about anacron - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [01:08] donspaulding: check the description of the anacron package [01:08] mathiaz: will do [01:15] is there a way for me to find the date my system was installed? [01:15] donspaulding: /var/log/installer/ [01:15] nevermind, ls -l /bin/sh gave it to me [01:16] i'm having a problem I think with my samba and dhcp config. [01:17] I followed the directions, set network to dhcp and for somereason i can't ping the server from the server [01:17] nor can I reach it from its name. [01:19] mathiaz: does ubuntu use anacron by default? [01:20] donspaulding: ubuntu-server - no [01:21] donspaulding: ubuntu-desktop yes [01:21] hmm, so anacron logs to a file the last time it ran a command, does crond do something similar? [01:21] mathiaz: does something need to change in order for a server to recognize its ip from dhcp? [01:21] donspaulding: check /var/log/syslog [01:22] yeah, for some reason my /var/log/syslog hasn't changed since my install date, 5 months ago. [01:22] n6rej: is your dns server setup correctly ? [01:22] donspaulding: and /var/log/messages ? [01:23] donspaulding: make sure that syslog is running [01:23] mathiaz: honestly, probably not.. its just a lan server.. I'm pulling the ip from my router.. [01:23] mathiaz: its been several years since i've done this, I'm rusty as heck :( [01:23] n6rej: then if you ping the hostname, it won't work [01:23] mathiaz: right, i'm thinking that somehow I've got to tell /etc/hosts how to find the ip... [01:24] * n6rej supposes he could put it back to static, as its really no problem... just was trying to be conistent [01:24] n6rej: the hosts file on the server should have an entry for itself [01:25] n6rej: under 127.0.1.1 [01:25] echo -e "12.34.56.78\thost.domain\thost" >> /etc/hosts [01:25] mathiaz: ouch, it's not. And I can't seem to start it. [01:25] mathiaz: under 127 its localhost, but the next line is 192.168.1.69 annabelle which was the static ip... [01:25] :S [01:25] (But, uh, that's silly if you're DHCP isn't static DHCP) [01:25] I'm actually installing it now, even though the /etc/init.d script was in place [01:26] infinity: so I should just put it back to static? [01:27] mathiaz: I can probably track things down from here, thanks for all your help. [01:27] n6rej: Up to you... The only static host in my network is my DHCP server... On the other hand, all the rest are "semi-static" (assigned by MAC), and my DNS server knows about all of them. [01:28] infinity: well dhcp is server by the router. [01:28] * n6rej ugh can't type what I'm thinking [01:28] the router is the network dhcp server [01:28] * n6rej least its supposed to be the only dhcp server [01:29] and samba on my lan sever is serving as a WINS server [01:30] infinity: can you take the time to help me get my dns setup right? [01:32] n6rej: check the Dns section in the Server Guide : https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/dns.html [01:32] heh, just going to recommend that :) [01:33] n6rej: the DNS section in the for hardy is probably better though: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html [01:33] should be the same if you're running gutsy [01:34] well, thanks again mathiaz [01:34] im going to bed [01:34] bye! [01:34] sommer: i want a caching or secondary? [01:35] probably just caching if you have an outside domain [01:35] you could also setup a primary "internal" domain [01:37] sommer: yeah i have several.. ok, i'll look at that.. i found ..http://www.redhat.com/magazine/025nov06/features/dns/ [01:37] sommer: which seems to be talking about what you just mentioned. [01:38] yep, it's all bind9 just differences in installation and configuration file location [01:40] sommer: yeah, i'm looking at both documents to make sure i go the right places... I haven't touched this kinda stuff in 14 years :( [01:40] * n6rej feels like a rusty hull on the bottom of the ocean :S [01:41] heh, just take baby steps :-) [01:42] sommer: quick question.. right now my /etc/hosts file says [01:42] 127.0.0.1 localhost [01:42] 192.168.1.69 annabelle annabelle.lan [01:43] now that last entry is wrong now cause its not static anymore. [01:43] so what do I do there? [01:45] you could just comment it and change 127.0.0.1 localhost to 127.0.0.1 annebell annebell.lan [01:45] sommer: ok great, cause i'm sure thats what the main problem was... ty [01:45] now to dns :D [01:45] np [01:46] * n6rej nose to the grindstone time [02:34] how do I add someone to the sudoers files [02:34] file [02:34] do you have a gui? [02:34] nope [02:35] SaschaRed: visudo [02:35] * michalski forgets how [02:35] is there a way to do it in nano [02:36] sudo nano /etc/sudoers [02:36] wait...nope :P [02:36] SaschaRed: visudo uses the default editor, which on new ubuntus is nano [02:37] well this works too [02:37] strictly i supposeit uses $EDITOR [02:37] so where do I add the name [02:37] ... [02:37] SaschaRed: what are you trying to do? [02:37] never mind [02:37] I got it [02:40] thank you all [02:40] np [03:41] Hi guys! I want to set up a server running Ubuntu Server, which I want to use for backup computers in the lan, version control systems (svn, mercurial...), and as a file server. I have a computer with a P2 300Mhz cpu, about 288MB SDRAM, IBM 8GB Bigfoot hdd (want to add another large disk too). Is it enough for this purpose? even as a fileserver in a small lan? [03:43] mEck0: for that might be a little underpowered for a file server, but should do fine for the rest of the services you listed [03:43] for me that is [03:44] okay, so its maybe better to build a new server? or what should I do? [03:44] if you have another machine I'd seperate the file service from the rest [03:44] it would be nice if I could play music/movies from the server through the network. So it is to slow for this? [03:44] okay [03:45] ya, I'd think you'd want more memory for that and a faster cpu [03:46] Would a Intel Dual Core E2160 1.8GHz 800MHz 1MB cache with 1 or 2GB DDR2 be good? [03:46] heh, I'd think that would do fine... just fine :) [03:46] =) fine like in overkill? :D [03:47] na, but you could probably combine all your services onto one machine with those specs [03:47] okay, because those components are kind of cheap here [03:48] than I'd definitely go bigger, better, faster [03:48] you mean if you would build a new server, you would buy better stuff? [03:49] heh, the best that fits the budget [03:49] hehe [03:52] the mailserver for my local lan is a dual PIII-933 [03:52] which is normally very idle [03:52] okay [03:53] OTOH, it just does mail and DNS [03:54] wouldn't even be possible to play music from my 300Mhz computer from another on the lan? [03:54] good question... 100MB lan, or 10MB? :) [03:54] 100MB [03:55] the real question is really one of disk and lan speed getting the bits to your machine, and then whether or not the CPU can process bits fast enough [03:55] yep [03:55] the slow box in the house is a P2-233, which is a print server and nothing more. [03:56] it pretty much is idle as well [03:57] interesting... Upgraded from dapper to hardy, and the drives changed from hda to sda [03:57] weird :S [04:01] what do you think of if I use the 300Mhz server for everything I listed above except file server... I mean, would you use an so old hdd (8GB IBM Bigfoot) for backing up stuff? or do you think it's not reliable enough? [04:02] /dev/md2 27292844 11290200 14616244 44% /home [04:02] that's the mail server, which has a small /home [04:02] on raid5 [04:02] :) [04:02] /dev/md1 679749632 439431120 226510636 66% /home [04:02] that one is more to my likiung [04:02] liking, even [04:02] hrm... I should clean that up some [04:03] 8GB drives tend to hit the trash or get taken apart for the shiny shower-mirrors they have inside... [04:03] ok, I see [04:04] OTOH, the P2-233 has a 6GB HD. [04:04] :-) [04:04] but was a glorified lan-to-USB adapter when it went into service. :) [04:05] since I couldn't get the USB cable to fit into the RJ45 connector.... :) [04:05] it's also listed as first against the wall, esp since said USB printer died. [04:06] hehe =) [04:06] which is why it was the first machine I tested the dapper->hardy upgrade on. [04:39] What's with the /topic? The https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerT page does not exist. [04:41] * owh guesses that it was supposed to be: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam [04:41] its been cutoff [04:58] Hmm... Yeah, I wonder when tat happened. [04:59] I suppose we could go through the IRC logs if you really wanted to know :) [04:59] We could even "point" the finger :) [05:00] I just did. [05:00] :) [05:00] It's been a month! === soren changed the topic of #ubuntu-server to: Ubuntu Server discussion and support || For general (not server specific) support visit #ubuntu || Get involved: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved || Guide to asking questions on IRC: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html || http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html || Be patient. Don't ask to ask, just ask. || server guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/ || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam [05:02] :D [05:05] So much for being observant around here :) [05:06] sif read /topic :p [05:07] dammit! [05:07] ! [05:07] :'( [05:07] for some reason my server is not forwarding correctly [05:07] http://97.90.224.132/ [05:07] but it's working inside the network [05:07] ideas? [05:08] forwarding what? [05:08] i can't see it outside of the net [05:08] it's running apache [05:08] sorry [05:09] so have you setup your mode/mrouter yet? [05:09] the server is set as the DMZ [05:10] web is port 80 right [05:10] we are running ubuntu 7.10 server [05:11] please help we are almost crying :( [05:14] i think our ISP may be blocking us [05:14] If htat's the case, there's not much we can do to help. [05:15] still [05:15] yea [05:15] that would piss me off [05:16] tried running on a different port? [05:16] what's the point for having a ten meg connection if the don't let you run servers on it [05:16] kgoetz, I just PMed my buddy to switch the port [05:16] SaschaRed: Something's responding to ssh on that port. [05:16] but I think he may of fell asleep [05:16] The authenticity of host '97.90.224.132 (97.90.224.132)' can't be established. [05:17] yeah ssh works [05:17] Is that the fingerprint of the server? [05:17] that's how I am in [05:17] Ok. [05:17] yes [05:17] Well, then it might very well be your ISP blocking it. [05:17] fuckers [05:18] well I guess I am going to bed now [05:20] i wonder if we can set the DNS to connect to a non standard port [05:22] THat's not how DNS works :) [05:22] https might work, though (until they choose to close that, too). [05:23] is there a way to proxy it [05:24] Sure, if you have a host that's not blocked in the same way. [05:25] although proxying a server will be a pita [05:50] i'm having a heck of a time... I've followed the directions as closely as I know how and I can't access my server by its fdqn [05:51] from where, and how are you accessing it? [05:51] kgoetz: same network but on a windows box [05:52] when I ssh in via the ip and run for hname in annabelle; do host "$hname"; done it says it don't know anything about annabelle [05:54] so you ssh'd to the server, then ran host? [05:55] kgoetz: yes'r [05:55] kgoetz: b4 I spent hours with dns, I could use wins to get to it, but now I can't [05:56] kgoetz: i also added 2 iptables rules if that matters [05:58] n6rej: pastebin the contents of /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname . also /etc/nsswitch.conf [05:58] n6rej: what dns server are you using? [05:58] kgoetz: bind9 [05:58] ok, one moment plz [05:58] n6rej: do hostname lookups work when you disable the server? [05:58] kgoetz: what do you mean? [05:58] kgoetz: turn bind off? [05:59] yes [05:59] kgoetz: idk let me try that [06:00] kgoetz: no by ip only [06:00] kgoetz: wait [06:00] it took a while but it finally did [06:01] so hostname works when bind is off? [06:01] hm [06:01] kgoetz: ok, i tried in apache annabelle.lan (failed ) www.annabelle.lan ( failed ) annabelle (sucessess ) [06:02] kgoetz: ssh, worked with annabelle also [06:02] n6rej: how are you advertising the name 'annabelle'? [06:02] kgoetz: i'm not sure [06:03] kgoetz: i'm using samba as a wins server and told my xp to use 192.168.1.69 as my wins server [06:03] n6rej: have you pastebinned those files? [06:03] kgoetz: should I tell the router the wins server ip also? [06:03] bbs [06:03] kgoetz: no let me do that [06:04] kgoetz: http://pastebin.com/m2a77f605 [06:11] n6rej: change /etc/hostname to not have .lan on the end [06:11] kk [06:12] done [06:12] kgoetz: ok, that part is done [06:12] n6rej: now running `hostname` `hostname -d` `hostname -f` should give the correct output. [06:14] kgoetz: hostname returns annabelle.lan -d returns lan and -f returns annabelle.lan [06:14] kgoetz: i think i need to restart something [06:15] n6rej: `hostname` should only return annabelle [06:15] kgoetz: does the kernel reset the hostname on reboot? [06:15] n6rej: i'm trying to remember [06:15] cause I ran a kernal name command at one point [06:16] n6rej: run `sudo hostname annabelle` , that should set it [06:16] kgoetz: found it sysctl kernel.hostname=annabelle.lan [06:16] n6rej: is that something you set? [06:17] yes, I ran that b4 I rebooted [06:17] * kgoetz has never seen the hostname set there before [06:17] kgoetz: i found the command searching the net LOL [06:18] n6rej: check in /etc/sysctl.conf and mak sure theres no entry there, then run the hostname command i just gave you [06:19] kgoetz: nothing that has my server name in it [06:19] n6rej: cool [06:19] /sbin/sysctl -n kernel.hostname [06:19] /sbin/sysctl -w kernel.domainname="example.com" [06:19] is what the man page shows [06:20] ok now hostname is annabelle -d is lan and -f is annabelle.lan [06:21] cool. hats asit should be [06:21] kgoetz: restart bind now? [06:21] *thats as it [06:22] n6rej: yeap [06:23] kg Apr 8 00:22:29 annabelle named[4911]: /etc/bind/db.lan:1: no current owner name [06:23] kgoetz: still can't ping annabelle.lan [06:24] n6rej: that doesnt look like bind started properly [06:24] kgoetz: http://pastebin.com/m17a9b756 [06:24] kgoetz: http://pastebin.com/m8e141bf [06:25] kgoetz: http://pastebin.com/m668b3870 (reverse) [06:27] btw. you might want to avoid using .lan, some of the mDNS systems use it [06:27] kgoetz: OH [06:27] kgoetz: what would you recommend? [06:28] n6rej: and i suggest asking #bind for config help - i'm pretty useless with it [06:28] kgoetz: don't feel bad I am too :( [06:28] n6rej: pretty much anything thats not .lan or .local [06:28] kgoetz: weird I thought those were reserved [06:31] technically they are, just like 169.254/16 (iirc thats correct ...) [06:35] kgoetz: weird.. well I changed it to .home [06:35] that should be safe [06:36] kgoetz: yeah, binds not starting its complaining about no owner.. so I have to figure that out. [06:36] n6rej: can you pastebin the error? [06:37] sure. [06:37] Apr 8 00:35:34 annabelle named[5074]: zone home/IN: loading from master file /etc/bind/db.home failed: no owner [06:37] kgoetz: thats in the syslog file [06:37] bind acts like its starting [06:38] n6rej: is that all it tells you? [06:38] kgoetz: yep [06:38] lol [06:38] :| [06:39] run `ls -lh /etc/bind/db.home` and check it has the correct perms [06:39] kgoetz: got rid of the error [06:39] kk [06:40] 644 [06:40] can anyone teach me how to partition my server? [06:40] My knowledge is a bit outdated [06:41] godfreyhk: what are you trying to do with it, that dictates alot of it. [06:41] I have a testing/staging web(php/RoR/MySQL) server here which has 5512MB RAM and 1 80GB hdd and a 60GB hdd. [06:42] Hmm, you no longer need a dedicated /boot right? [06:42] right but sometimes it runs better.. 7.1 seems to be well behaved that way [06:42] last time I assigned a 10MB /boot for my home computer and it ran out of space when I am upgrading the kernal :S [06:43] oh yeah, 50mb is pretty "standard" [06:43] you don't need it though [06:43] least I didn't use it this time [06:43] first time I haven't LOL [06:43] do you have an "idea" how you want to partition it? [06:44] I am not sure, I think there is way more space than I need [06:44] *nods* [06:44] so the thing is how to distribute them across the two hdd [06:44] godfreyhk: there is a system whereby you can "link" those drives so they appear as one... a psuedo raid if you will [06:44] godfreyhk: 50-100mb for a seperate boot is handy [06:44] * n6rej nods [06:44] godfreyhk: if you split up partitios, /tmp should be seperate [06:45] kgoetz: yeah but how big for tmp? 1g? [06:45] same with home LOl [06:45] okay. So now a need a /, a /boot and a /tmp [06:45] keeping /usr/local/ and var seperateis good too [06:45] godfreyhk: def need a swap.. even if its only 256M [06:45] oh right :P [06:45] although you only need a /usr/local if your building stuff from source [06:46] of course, if its not in a hostile environment you can ignore all that and use one partition if you want ;) [06:46] i think if it was me I would "guestimate" how big i needed for /home and then set that as a seperate partition too [06:46] also /home seperate might help [06:47] actually should I be storing the web stuff in /var ? or should I store it in someone's home? [06:47] so make /root 80G /boot 100mb /swap 1G ( you go the room ) /home ??? [06:47] or in /srv? ;) depends what it is usualy [06:47] god now /var should be own baby.. so you can jail it if you need to [06:47] there you go give the rest after home to /var :D [06:47] all done [06:48] thanks for the help guys :) [06:48] so maybe 15G or 20G for /home incase you want to use samba for anythign or nfs [06:49] let me do the math [06:49] depends on the # of users [06:49] 5G for /home should be plenty for normal "nix" users [06:50] most important thing is to decide which is going to need more space www or / and let that one have the 80g [06:50] * n6rej swears he hates bind with a passion [06:51] * kgoetz suggests dnsmasq [06:51] kgoetz: yeah but how much "rework" would that require? [06:51] gee [06:52] I just realized I have a HUGE typo up there [06:52] 5512 MB RAM, lol [06:52] n6rej: about a dozen lines of config [06:52] kgoetz: gosh... that would be nice LOL [06:52] godfreyhk: i assumed it was wrong ;) [06:52] n6rej: its not as classy as bind, but hey :) [06:52] kgoetz: the ONLY thing I need it for is the lan, i dont' need it to server dns LOL [06:52] s/server/serve/ [06:53] godfreyhk: how much ram do you have? [06:53] 512 [06:53] ?? [06:53] n6rej: i assume you mean you only need it to host dns for the lan [06:53] kgoetz: yeah, i'm getting tired lol [06:53] the clients are all dhcp'd to teh router and they work fine [06:53] so really all it needs to do is handle enough dns for apache and wins [06:54] should work. read teh config file, you might be pleasently supprised [06:54] i could really hardcode hosts files lol [06:54] n6rej: yea, 512 [06:54] everyones asleep in the bind camp [06:54] godfreyhk: thats not much, better make ur swap 2G then [06:54] okay. [06:55] 512 is heaps (until he installs php :P) [06:55] lol yeah [06:55] i'm just as bad I've only got about 480 [06:55] in your server? [06:55] php,perl, mysql,apache, bind, dovecot lol [06:55] yep [06:55] actually, I need to spare like 8M for my built in display :( [06:56] godfreyhk: what kind of ram does it use? [06:56] godfreyhk: why? [06:56] give teh display 512kb and use the ram for something useful [06:56] n6rej: hmm, they didn't tell me, SD perhaps? :P [06:56] you know what motherboard? [06:56] godfreyhk: how old is it? [06:57] kgoetz: last time I couldn't figure out where can I do that in the bios, I'll try again tmr [06:57] Hey, anyone here know how to make nsswitch.conf look at /etc/{passwd,shadow,group} AND another file? [06:57] kgoetz: er, very, I think [06:57] godfreyhk: if its less then 22 years old its not as old as my systems :p [06:57] thats the beauty of *nix it don't care that your using a model "A" for the engine :D [06:57] *some of my systems [06:58] it used to be the production box in my faculty's student society... now they've decided to retire it so now it became my sandbox :) [06:58] * kgoetz guesses P3 [06:59] 80% probablility of sdram [06:59] kgoetz: thats what mine is p3 - 933 [06:59] oh, actually, I could ssh in there and check [06:59] running pc133 ram lol [06:59] n6rej: i have a couple of servers, of totally different spec ;) [07:00] kgoetz: i have to have a recipe box now... I have 6 domains on a hosted box, and then my lan with all its clients [07:00] surprise! a P4 1.8, DDR 333 [07:00] and every machien is a diff platform lol [07:00] godfreyhk: :o [07:00] godfreyhk: OH pc3200 [07:00] n6rej: what do you have? [07:00] that ram is FAIRLY inexpensive now [07:01] well, I am just playing around with this one [07:01] b/w g3 500 1G, xp 32 3800+, x64 2800+, xp32 Athlon 1700+ lol [07:01] servers i have sparc32+64+alpha+ia32+amd64+powerpc off the top of my head [07:01] (as my main arch's) [07:02] nice [07:02] after I gets familiar with setting up/managing the server I'll go for a VPS hosting [07:02] * get [07:02] i want a mac pro so bad I can taste it [07:02] godfreyhk: look at tiger direct for pc3200 ram.. thats what your box takes.. I think 1G is like $30 right now.. maybe less [07:03] scratch that.. pc2700 and nm tiger lol got o computergeeks.com [07:03] s/got/go to/ [07:03] its $10 at computergeeks, I know cause I just bought a stick [07:04] 333=pc2700 [07:04] right. [07:04] I never knew how to do that math [07:04] 333 <-> 2700 stuff [07:04] i just bought 1G for $10 :D with $1.99 shipping [07:04] me niether... I just try to memorize it. [07:04] hmm... too bad it seems like they won't ship to canada [07:05]