[00:30] <ubotu> New bug: #213669 in xorg (main) "[Hardy] Caps Lock causes keys to repeat" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213669
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #213617 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (main) "package linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-14-generic None failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 (dup-of: 149836)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213617
[02:29] <ubotu> New bug: #213700 in xorg-server (main) "X.org + compiz crashes on nautilus file drag" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213700
[04:31] <ubotu> New bug: #213734 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "firefox-3.0 scrolls jerkily with ATI driver, EXA and compiz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213734
[04:37] <ubotu> New bug: #200429 in mesa-utils "XIO:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0" " [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200429
[05:09] <bryce> I've written up this section on troubleshooting missing keyboard mappings in X:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting#head-1125c10247cf42e51d6329403e00d89af20fad32
[05:10] <bryce> however I'm still a bit sketchy on the whole thing, and the docs may be incorrect.  I'd greatly appreciate review/critique feedback to make it more correct.
[08:20] <Ng> bryce: do you happen to know how acpi_fakekey sends events? I've been trying to get the ThinkVantage key on my thinkpad going. acpid calls the script which runs fakekey, but things like xev see no event
[08:21] <bryce> Ng, sadly, everything I know at this point about key mapping is listed in that above link
[08:22] <Ng> ok, I'll have a read anyway :)
[08:22] <bryce> I guess you'd look at what acpi_fakekey does to fake keys.
[08:22] <Ng> it seems to open the first /dev/input event device it can find and write to that
[08:23] <bryce> unfortunately the post from mjg59 that mentioned acpi-based keys just said "send me info about this and we'll get it fixed" without details of *how* they get fixed
[08:23] <Ng> I thought that was where the problem was because event0 is my trackpoint, but hardcoding it to the keyboard device didn't seem to make any difference
[08:23] <Ng> I could try and badger matt :)
[08:23] <bryce> have you spoken with matthew about it?
[08:23] <bryce> heh yeah
[08:23] <bryce> see if you can get a good detailed description of the troubleshooting approach, so we can feed it into that link for when we run into this in the future
[08:24] <Ng> not yet unfortunately, I've had bigger fish to fry
[08:24] <Ng> getting suspend and audio working won out over a little button ;)
[08:24] <bryce> hehe
[08:25] <Ng> I don't even need it, I used to use it to lock the screen, but my new laptop has a Fn key combination for that. it's just the principle of the thing at this point ;)
[08:27] <pwnguin> bryce: about that keymapping thing
[08:27] <pwnguin> is a tty console nessecary?
[08:28] <pwnguin> i guess not
[08:28] <pwnguin> ive done hotkey in the past, but sorta petered out about what to do from there =/
[08:29] <bryce> pwnguin: dunno; several pages I read were adamant about that
[08:30] <pwnguin> i wonder if maybe its because a tty means you wont get keyboard events from a local keyboard 
[08:32] <pwnguin> oh my
[08:32] <pwnguin> someone fixed one of my tablet buttons
[08:50] <bryce> tjaalton: any reasons why not to commit the patch on bug 184651?
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #205821 in moblin-applets (universe) "[Hardy+PPA]:Network manager icon is blank on statusbar and it shows "Network manager is not running" when click the blank icon though internet connection is good (dup-of: 199486)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205821
[08:53] <tjaalton> bryce: no, and I actually have it on my tree
[08:53] <bryce> ok cool
[08:54] <tjaalton> should start pushing stuff later today
[08:54] <bryce> (I was just reviewing http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/status_current.html and noticed it)
[08:54] <bryce> heh, clicking back through <prev> on that shows that things are definitely getting better
[08:55] <tjaalton> wow, history :)
[08:56]  * bryce resists graphing
[08:58] <pwnguin> so total xorg bugs is total active bugs
[08:58] <tjaalton> there's probably something missing since the packagebugs page shows 1512 bugs (or is it lp search lying again)
[08:58] <tjaalton> pwnguin: yes, pick any ;)
[08:58] <pwnguin> heh
[08:59] <tjaalton> it has gone down from 1800+ since early December
[08:59] <bryce> yeah, it may be that lp is lying
[08:59] <pwnguin> and has gone nowhere since bryce started keeping that history ;)
[08:59] <james_w> hey bryce 
[08:59] <bryce> heya
[08:59] <james_w> did you get any time to look at the patches?
[09:00] <tjaalton> well I've been catching up with real work so no time to do bug triage :)
[09:00] <bryce> james_w: nope, keyboard stuff consumed all my time
[09:00] <james_w> no problem, just didn't want to repeat any work.
[09:00]  * bryce nods
[09:00] <james_w> I've got an SRU I should get done today, but then I should be able to spend all my time on them.
[09:00]  * bryce nods
[10:52] <ubotu> New bug: #46904 in xkeyboard-config (main) "several keyboard layouts are listed several times" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46904
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #213856 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Windows and desktops flicker and flash black with Compiz enabled with the Intel video driver (945GM)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213856
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #204736 in mesa-utils "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204736
[12:28] <ubotu> New bug: #134466 in ubuntu "ipw3945d causing computer to stutter (dup-of: 48395)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134466
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #213891 in xorg (main) "Xorg crashes when I visit a page in Mozilla Firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213891
[16:56] <james_w> seb128: hi, the current libgnome-desktop in the archive has "#error This is not for general consumption yet." in the xrandr stuff, was this intentional?
[16:56] <james_w> I can't compile against it currently.
[16:56] <seb128> james_w: what do you mean?
[16:57] <seb128> compile what?
[16:57] <james_w> the xrandr patches in -desktop currently have
[16:57] <james_w> +#ifndef I_KNOW_THIS_IS_UNSTABLE_AND_ONLY_IN_FEDORA
[16:57] <james_w> +#error This is not for general consumption yet.
[16:57] <james_w> +#endif
[16:57] <seb128> right
[16:58] <seb128> the API is not public and not meant to be used
[16:58] <james_w> so I now try and g-c-c against them without defining that, as bryce's instructions say, and it obviously fails.
[16:58] <seb128> ok
[16:58] <james_w> so do we want to keep that in all of them, or strip it out of all of them?
[16:58] <seb128> so I did use the patch from redhat because I didn't know bryce did cleaning there
[16:58] <seb128> I mean I used to stack patch
[16:59] <seb128> since he put other ubuntu changes to different patches I though he did that for all the ubuntu changes
[16:59] <james_w> ah, ok.
[16:59] <seb128> so fix it the way you think it's better
[16:59] <seb128> but don't make it public
[16:59] <seb128> either use this define
[16:59] <seb128> or rename it to use FEDORA_AND_UBUNTU or something
[17:00] <james_w> I'll just keep it as it is I guess, and keep the define in g-c-c
[17:00] <seb128> alright
[17:00] <seb128> did bryce just dropped it before?
[17:04] <james_w> yeah, there's a patch in his bzr repo to remove these defines.
[17:07] <seb128> ok
[17:07] <seb128> I think that's wrong to make the api public
[17:28] <james_w> the updated patch seems to work, but is says "Cloned output" for my single screen, I'll look in to that.
[17:29] <james_w> hmm, "<property name="label" translatable="yes">Mirror Screens (the clone wars)</property>"
[17:29] <james_w> I guess we want to change that?
[17:36] <seb128> remove the "(the clone wars)" I guess yes ;-)
[17:37] <seb128> james_w: could you also include the change on bug #213134 while you are working on the update?
[17:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213134 in gnome-control-center "Untranslated strings in Monitor Resolution Settings window" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213134
[17:37] <seb128> james_w: also better to get the updated patch as soon as possible and look at small issues later so the strings can be imported in launchpad and translated
[17:38] <seb128> we can still do an another upload to fix issues
[17:38] <seb128> the g-c-c part is only a capplet so it'll not make system unusable
[17:39] <james_w> sure, it looks ok to me in a quick test apart from the naming issue, and that looks like it is -desktop anyway.
[17:40] <seb128> naming?
[17:40] <james_w> calling my screen a "Cloned output"
[17:42] <seb128> ah
[17:59] <ted1> bryce: So I was playing with OSX...  (how to start a conversation with people already scared)
[18:00] <ted1> When you close the lid on your computer with an external monitor plugged in, it switches off the laptop panel and goes exclusively to the external display.
[18:00] <ted1> Would it be possible to do something like that with the XRandR stuff?
[18:01] <jcristau> it is, if you get acpi or key events when you close the lid
[18:04] <ted1> Well, we can emit a DBUS signal, which would probably be more reliable.
[18:04] <ted1> Let GPM handle all the other stuff.
[18:06] <bryce> morning
[18:07]  * ted1 is going to let bryce get coffee before harassing him more :)
[18:07] <bryce> james_w: have you gotten to gnome-desktop yet?  if not, I'll work on that today
[18:08] <james_w> bryce: no, I haven't
[18:08] <james_w> http://jameswestby.net/scratch/g-c-c.diff is the g-c-c one
[18:08] <james_w> if you have a moment can you tell me whether I am looking in the right place for the "Cloned Screen" problem?
[18:09] <james_w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6627/
[18:10] <james_w> line 22 looks like it should be "if", not "else if" to me.
[18:10] <james_w> as clone_width is initialised to -1 at the start of the function.
[18:12] <bryce> hmm
[18:12] <bryce> are you running into a bug because of this?
[18:12] <james_w> the capplet shows "Cloned Output" for my single screen, which seems wrong.
[18:13] <bryce> ok, fwiw, that "clone wars" line has been there since the earliest days of the dialog - it was part of the mockup iirc
[18:13] <bryce> however until recently the underlying handling code wasn't implemented
[18:13] <bryce> so in the previous version I just stripped out the checkbox
[18:13] <bryce> however I understand the clone stuff is implemented, so maybe the checkbox works now
[18:13] <james_w> ah, ok. I still don't see the checkbox
[18:14] <james_w> I assumed that was because I only have a single screen, but maybe I need to update a patch
[18:15] <bryce> in any case I think the "(the clone wars)" bit needs to be removed ;-)
[18:15] <james_w> I don't see it being stripped out in any of the patches.
[18:15] <james_w> I made it "Clone Screens", what do you think?
[18:16] <bryce> probably ok
[18:16] <bryce> our usability guy suggested something different, I'll see if I can find it
[18:17] <james_w> mirror made it sound like you would get a mirror image on one to me
[18:17] <bryce> >> *   Is there an alternative wording for "Mirror another screen" that
[18:17] <bryce> >>     doesn't imply reflection?
[18:17] <bryce> >
[18:17] <bryce> > 'Clone' is the official term.  I used 'mirror' since that has been used
[18:17] <bryce> > in one of the displayconfig-gtk mockups.
[18:17] <bryce> Perhaps "Copy of".
[18:18] <bryce> I think I like "Clone" better than "Copy" but either's probably better than mirror
[18:18] <james_w> yep
[18:19] <bryce> oh here's a more recent suggestion from him, I hadn't implemented yet...
[18:19] <bryce> Button labels should always use Initial Capitals. :-) Nice work otherwise.
[18:19] <bryce> Cheers
[18:21] <bryce> ted1: you could probably make the xrandr calls from the power manager to make that happen
[18:23] <ted1> bryce: But, it's not crazy?
[18:23] <bryce> a little crazy
[18:23] <bryce> but not too much
[18:23] <ted1> Hmph.
[18:24] <ted1> So how do I know which display is the laptop LCD and which one is external?
[18:24] <bryce> it'll result in weird stuff like gnome panels getting jumbled up, random crashes, weird interactions with sleep modes/Xv/Compiz, and so on, but those are par for the course
[18:25] <jcristau> ted1: you probably don't know, but you can guess
[18:25] <ted1> I work on the desktop team, we assume that X is perfect :)
[18:25] <jcristau> haha
[18:25] <bryce> it seems the standard way is to look for something named "*LVDS*"
[18:26] <bryce> or, /LVDS/i
[18:27] <ted1> I guess, it would seem unlikely that someone would use LVDS externally.
[18:28] <ted1> But are there panels that internally don't use LVDS?
[18:28] <bryce> not afaik
[18:28] <jcristau> ted1: the naming comes from the X driver
[18:28] <ted1> Oh, so it's not really describing the hardware, more the driver port.
[18:31] <ted1> Okay, I'm going to think about this more, but I think it's something I'd like to figure out for Ibex.
[18:32] <ted1> Thanks for the info.
[18:35] <bryce> ted1: I'd suggest making it opt-in for Intrepid, since xrandr is still fairly unstable on some hardware.  once there's been sufficient testing it could be switched on by default by intrepid+1.
[18:36] <bryce> ted1: or if you really want to flip it on by default, do it only for intel gfx hardware; that one is furthest along and has the fewest remaining issues
[18:36] <jcristau> there are issues with radeon randr?
[18:40] <jcristau> i haven't really followed that, as my laptop is intel :)
[18:48] <bryce> jcristau: I consistently get lockups when rotating.  Also some minor issues switching resolutions
[18:49] <jcristau> too bad
 "VIA Joins The Open Driver Bandwagon"
[19:08] <tjaalton> about time
[19:12] <mvo> bryce: when we talked about bug #213566 you mentioned that there are no maintainer scripts involved, but it seems the xkb-data.preinst is doing some stuff at least to those links
[19:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213566 in xkeyboard-config "dapper->hardy missing files on upgrade" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213566
[19:21] <bryce> tjaalton: heh, link?
[19:22] <bryce> BenC and I have been talking with them privately and encouraging them to open everything; good to see they have done so officially
[19:23] <tjaalton> bryce: it was mentioned on phoronix (where else)
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #214092 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Suspend to RAM fails in second resume cycle for Hardy, fglrx, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214092
[19:38]  * mvo is currently pretty lost with that bug
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #214105 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Freeze with ati driver during boot on 8.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214105
[19:46] <bryce> tjaalton: hrm, I've been pushing them to get in contact with the openchrome community.  Too bad there's no mention of that there.
[19:47] <bryce> but I guess it's still early
[19:58] <tjaalton> or they want to start from scratch :)
[19:58] <tjaalton> YAVD
[20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #214119 in xserver-xorg-video-amd (main) "[HARDY] Koolu W.E. (ION A603) does not detect higher resolution than 800x600" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214119
[21:00] <Q-FUNK> guys, any objection remaining to sync'ing geode from debian?
[21:01] <ubotu> New bug: #214165 in xorg (main) "[Hardy] After upgrade today can't detect screen size" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214165
[21:27] <ubotu> New bug: #214168 in xorg (main) "video acceleration broken with .810 driver in Hardy Beta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214168
[22:01] <ubotu> New bug: #214201 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "nvidia-glx-new upgrade bug (gutsy -> hardy)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214201
[22:10] <ubotu> New bug: #214205 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "upgrade of xserver-xorg-core conficts (gutsy to hardy)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214205
[23:00] <ubotu> New bug: #214241 in xorg-server (main) "package xserver-xorg-core 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu8.3 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214241
[23:02] <ubotu> New bug: #214239 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "package nvidia-glx-new 100.14.19+2.6.22.4-14.10 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214239
[23:16] <ubotu> New bug: #214252 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "[Hardy] Synaptics touchpad vertical scroll (middle button) not working as expected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214252
[23:32] <tjaalton> bryce: tomorrow I'll upload the pending stuff I have been sitting on.. should have time during the day
[23:32] <bryce> ok
[23:34] <tjaalton> needed to push vdr first.. anyway, night ->
[23:54] <ubotu> New bug: #214270 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "AWN Avant Window Navigator icons corrupted with xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.2.1-1ubuntu11" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214270