=== danielm__ is now known as danielm [00:24] hey is there a way to run: route add default gw 192.168.1.1 to a xubuntu machine as root at startup? [00:25] or is there a config somewhere i can can add the gateway to [00:25] the route [00:26] Hey LjL are you around? [00:26] you can set the gateway up in /etc/network/interfaces [00:27] thanks [00:31] how do you reset the config without having to restart? [00:32] or reinitialize [00:34] sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart in a terminal [00:34] sudobash: ^^ [00:34] awesome [00:34] :) [00:40] now it doesnt seem to work the same as route add default gw 192.168.1.1 [00:40] because that config doesnt let me ping google... but the route trick does [00:41] is there a way to run the route command at startup i have done it before for this time i have ran scripts at the startup of GDM [00:42] but just after the user logs would work if the script can run at root level [00:44] i had a screwed up installation once that would corrupt Xorg and also GDM so both had to be reinstalled through terminal but I managed to write a shell script to stop gdm right before it actually had a chance to corrupt anything and could run startx [00:45] but if i could run sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1 to that it would work probably [00:45] you could put the script in /etc/rc2.d/rc.local [00:45] yeah thats it or /etc/rc.local right? [00:46] whats the difference? [00:46] no - /etc/rc2.d/rc.local [00:46] the user runlevel default is 2 [00:47] well it has to run as sudo but without a password [00:47] root [00:47] i mean [00:49] trying it now [01:06] How do I remove PPPoEconf system changes? [01:08] LetsGo67: sudo apt-get purge pppoeconf [01:08] if this isn't enough, then i'm sorry for i dont know [01:09] Stroganoff, qu'est-ce que cela fait? [01:09] english please [01:09] What happens after running such a command? [01:09] pppoeconf gets uninstalled including all its config files [01:10] Good, what about the "load this on startup" stuff? [01:10] depends on what you mean by stuff [01:10] you can change startup services with boot-up manager: sudo apt-get install bum [01:10] It set up my computer to automatically run PPPoEconf on startup [01:11] did you do that manually? if so: revert it! ;D [01:12] Ubuntu 8.04 is supposed to get Vista security? No, not manual. [01:12] vista security? what is this? [01:12] just purge pppoeconf and see how it goes [01:12] What am I looking for in bum, anyways? [01:12] pppoeconf [01:13] are you kind of dumb or are you just pretending? [01:13] Not there. [01:13] is there nothing with ppp? [01:13] have you purged already? than its gone. [01:13] congrats [01:13] By "Vista security" I mean: instead of running an entire app as root, it is run at user, then later can be run as sudo. [01:14] IE: synaptic and networks. [01:14] LetsGo67: that is default in unix since 1968 [01:14] The "security"? [01:15] you mean 'policykit' [01:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparmor [01:15] yes, hardy uses policykit [01:15] whatever dude [01:15] Yes, it's due. :) [01:16] hehe [01:16] There's this guy who wants an Ubuntu account with no password. Is that possible? [01:17] LetsGo67: yes [01:17] How, TheSheep? [01:17] LetsGo67: just enable autologin [01:17] actually, no, it will still have password, but he won't need it [01:17] in the login window settings [01:17] autologin, self-explanatory? [01:18] is it possible with multiple users in gdm, TheSheep? [01:18] like in xp where you just select a user? [01:18] i'm aware of autologin ONE particular user. [01:18] That's what I'm talking about! :) [01:18] i'm just asking because i didnt use GDM in a long time [01:18] Stroganoff: I'm not sure, I think it's not possible with gdm without some advanced black magic [01:19] Mais où est donc AutoLogin? [01:19] wat? [01:19] LetsGo67: the security tab [01:20] LetsGo67: 'automatic login' [01:20] LetsGo67: right at the top [01:20] LetsGo67: in settings->login window settings [01:20] Je ne vois pas ça dans Xubuntu. Il y a trop d'options sous Applications>Paramètres. [01:21] LetsGo67: it may be in 'system' in some versions of xubuntu (can't remember which) [01:21] Non, Xfce est trop simple et il y a plein de bogues. J'utilise 7.10 [01:21] LetsGo67: just run 'sudo gdmsetup' from terminal [01:22] Merci. [01:22] LetsGo67: btw, je ne parle pas français ;) [01:23] Alors comment comprends-tu!? [01:23] oui! [01:23] LetsGo67: well, it's not that hard to guess :) [01:23] "Activer la connexion automatique". Check that box, type an user... there ya go, Mr. I-don't-want-to-type-a-password! [01:23] and still you managed to find that little cecile [01:24] cedille [01:24] k [01:24] it's simple: compose , c [01:24] where can i find that compose key? [01:24] He's so used to XP but his Firefox, Thunderbird and OpenOffice.org all run on Ubuntu. [01:25] No but I didn't know this auto login thing it's hard to find it's not obvious. [01:25] haha he will never be able to open up the menu with winkey [01:25] Winkey? [01:25] Stroganoff: you can't by default, I have set CapsLock as compose, since I don't use it anyways [01:25] WIN-Key. [01:25] with that sad little logo [01:25] LetsGo67: super [01:25] Je teste ça, a+! [01:25] DIAMOND111 [01:25] LetsGo67: shift, ctrl, super, alt [01:26] (or meta, if one prefers, instead of alt) [01:26] Stroganoff: Option "XkbOptions" "compose:caps" <-- enables compose key [01:26] TheSheep do you happen to know how much RAM is eaten (not cached) by xubuntu directly after login? [01:26] Stroganoff: in your xorg.conf, under keyboard settings [01:26] k thx [01:27] Stroganoff: on my installs about 70-80MB [01:27] Stroganoff: but I have CUPS disabled, etc. [01:28] k [01:28] it's possible to go lower, but I never bothered [01:29] with cups samba etc disabled i'm at 25-30mb [01:29] nice [01:29] with my cli-script. [01:29] that is without desktop icons ^^ [01:29] Stroganoff: no hal, gamin, dbus, etc? :) [01:29] and without network (wifi) manager :/ [01:29] WITH hal, gamin dbus thunar-volman etc. [01:29] well, xfdesktop takes a lot of ram by itself [01:30] especially with icons [01:30] and some panel plugins too [01:30] it's that mcs-manager that i'm worriing about [01:30] im not using the panekl [01:30] but I can't live without the clipman panel plugin [01:30] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631 [01:30] i just wanted to compare [01:31] there's "glipper", features a tray icon? [01:31] Stroganoff: you are looking at the 'writable memory' stat, right? [01:31] maybe it's enough for your needs? [01:31] no, I'm really used to how clipman does it [01:31] TheSheep, i'm looking at free+cache [01:32] just to be sure i use conky [01:32] I actually use some really memory-hungry apps: gajim, sonata [01:32] because I find them much more comfortable [01:33] and because I have 2GB ram anyways [01:33] thats out of the question [01:33] my light weight desktop doesn't prevent you from using good apps ^^ [01:33] python apps do tend to be well thought out and rapidly developed [01:33] Stroganoff: I'd use gossip and gimmix instead, except they have terrible user interfaces :) [01:34] information overload... *explodes* [01:35] a lightweight, fast web browser would be nice [01:35] firefox3 is getting lighter [01:35] opera is currently disabled due to flash [01:35] kazekahase is unusable [01:35] japanese just dont code right. [01:35] it's true! [01:35] I know the market pretty well [01:36] I actually even started writing my own, but given it up [01:36] epiphany with webkit would be interesting [02:05] how can i stop x once i'm logged in to the desktop in hardy heron? [02:08] i tried "/etc/init.d/xdm stop" but it tells me command not found [02:10] Hello. Anybody installed xubuntu on a ThinkPad 240? [02:34] jcgrv06 i'd imagine its slow [02:34] jcgrv06 you might be interested in my new mini ubuntu [02:35] its full featured but considerably faster than xubuntu [02:35] quite usable with 64mb ram [02:35] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631 [02:36] thats you best shot unless you wanna try gentoo [02:40] jcgrv06 give it a try [02:43] Stragnoff, thanks, but performance isn't a problem. I'm using it right now and it's ok. I have a problem with the screen resolution. [02:43] This card is 1024x768 capable (I get that in Windows 2000) but it won't go over 800x600 in xubuntu [02:44] Got 320MB, memory isn't an issue [02:44] ok [02:44] sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg [02:44] will let you choose more resolutions [02:45] I tried the reconfigure several times. I chose 1024x768 as one of the resolutions. I went from 24 to 16 in pixel depth, but 1024x768 doesn't show [02:45] have you tried xrandr? [02:46] no [02:46] i doubt it would work with xrandr (or grandr) [02:47] what display driver are you using? [02:47] the one xubuntu selected by default for the NeoMagic [02:49] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=257696 [02:49] first reply. [02:50] my icewm-desktop is still much faster :p [02:51] Thanks, I'm trying it now. I have edubuntu for the children in an old PC. Just wanted to try xubuntu "as is" on this ThinkPad. [02:51] i will integrate edubuntu into my desktop later [02:51] it's gonna rock [02:53] Thanks, Stroganoff. I'm restarting X now [03:41] snort is not configuring, it hangs on something, is there anyway to remove it? [04:05] hello all! how can i make a command, open in a terminal window, at login? [04:06] ahh got it, thanks anyways [05:14] is the default package type for ubuntu .deb? [05:22] hello why can't I see the title bar in my windows? [05:22] hi [06:32] how do I install icons themes? [06:37] !search themes [06:37] Found: eyecandy, launch-feedback, art, i-candy, wallpaper, changethemes, icandy, themes, theme, superkaramba [06:37] !themes [06:37] Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy [06:38] thanks [06:38] I tried to drag it but didn't work like on ubuntu [06:39] :/ [06:39] I don't have Click System → Preferences → Theme [06:39] what why I am asking [06:39] is there any way to open by terminal? [06:43] zoredache, ?? [06:45] welcome back [06:45] I don't have Click System → Preferences → Theme [06:45] is there any way to open it on the terminal? [06:57] anyone online? [06:58] what options do you have in the settings manager? [06:59] it is in spanish i have the lastest xubuntu version, do you? [06:59] Could you tell me the ext location to translate it and look for it, please [07:03] n-iCe: if your using 8.04 the settings manager is where you change the theme - settings - settings manager - user interface [07:15] ere4si, sorry [07:16] k [07:16] where do I need to install the themes? [07:28] /usr/share/themes [07:32] I can't grab the folder to that path [07:32] :| === cromag_ is now known as Cromag [07:57] try gksudo thunar /usr/share/themes [08:06] n-iCe: ^^ [08:07] ok [08:09] n-iCe: get it working? [08:09] well [08:09] yes [08:09] but I don't see the theme intalled in the themes administrator application [08:09] it is not there o.O [08:16] n-iCe: logout and in === march is now known as march_notebook [09:24] i cant find supported tv cards by ubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport for looking suported tv card. do i have to look in multimedia sections? [09:27] mckulk_, youll have more luck looking at the mythtv wiki i think [09:27] they should have a big list of supported tuner cards over there [09:27] and *ubuntu should support all/most of them [11:53] why do i got 2 nm-applets started everytime, even if i kill 1... shouldnt the session manager recognize this? [12:03] The wireless icon doesn't have two green bulbs anymore! [12:04] It just says 0 bars even when it's not connected! [12:04] What's wrong? [12:24] The wireless icon doesn't have two green bulbs anymore! [12:24] It just says 0 bars even when it's not connected! [12:24] What's wrong? [12:25] hi [12:25] Hi. [12:26] Xubuntu is acting all weird! [12:26] i'm sorry :( [12:26] maybe there are no wireless access points in your immediate vacinity? [12:29] the more specific you can be about your problems, the more likely it is that someone in the channel will be able to help you [12:46] There is. [12:46] Thanks anyways. === danielm_ is now known as danielm [14:55] any ideas about Apacer AS820 mp3 player? [14:55] Philips GoGear for example works fine, but after connecting miniusb<->usb cable to AS820 it doesn't auto-mount it [15:01] anyone? === Fri13- is now known as Fri13 [15:58] Hello. Has anybody here installed xubuntu on a ThinkPad 240? [15:59] not i [16:01] ASk your question anyways jcgrv06 [16:01] We may be able to still help you. [16:02] I installed xubuntu last weekend. I have now dual boot w/W2K. This laptop has a 10.4" screen, 800x600 is native but is capable of 1024x768. I can scroll in Windows just by moving the cursor towards the border. [16:03] xubuntu only allows 800x600. I have reconfigured X, set pixel depth to 16 from 24 and added 1024x768 as a valid resolution, but didn't help. [16:03] I haven't tried an external monitor yet, but it'd be nice if it behaved like in W2K [16:04] what driver is installed, and what video card do you have? [16:04] does the video card use shared memory? [16:04] Driver is the default one for NeoMagic 128 [16:04] No, videocard has 2MB dedicated [16:04] ongly 2mb? [16:04] maybe it needs more [16:04] haha [16:04] try to assign more memory [16:04] hey, 2 mb works. [16:05] well in my case it needed 16 mb [16:05] I'm using abotu that much right now [16:05] to show 1024x768 [16:05] no, there is no way to assign more memory. 1024x768 + 16M is possible in Windows [16:05] Probably this is a limitation in xubuntu [16:05] jcgrv06 have you looked in the BIOS? [16:05] jcgrv06, it is possible [16:05] i did it [16:06] Same BIOS lets me boot in W2K w/1024x768 [16:06] TheSheep, [16:06] how it was that command [16:06] for reconfiguring X? [16:06] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver [16:06] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xconf.org-server [16:06] :) [16:06] or xserver-xorg [16:07] can't ever remember which one it is [16:07] I tried several times. I need to try with an external monitor [16:07] 800x600 is too limited, I can't see the Apply / Cancel buttons sometimes [16:08] xserver-xorg [16:08] ah The-Kernel already said that, didnt read that ;) [16:08] yes, I went through the motions, messing up the settings (it defaulted to Alsa) and manage to put it the way it was. [16:09] I don't know about you, but the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure xconf.org-server doesn't even work for me [16:09] maybe it's this! [16:09] =D [16:09] jcgrv06 did you assign it 16 mb of memory? [16:14] no, I didn't. But again, Windows drivers allow me to scroll around with 2MB. You need 1024x768*2 bytes = 1,572,864 bytes = 1.5MB [16:16] well [16:16] maybe more video memory is necessary for other reasons [16:16] and maybe windows assigns it wighout letting you knwo [16:17] no, because 1024x768 is unavailable if you go to 24 pixel depth [16:17] that'd go over 2MB [16:22] jcgrv06: you can enable scrolling by adding the 'virtual' option to your xorg.conf [16:22] jcgrv06: see 'man xorg.conf' for details [16:27] Thanks, TheSheep. I will try that [16:28] Also, I'm getting approx. half the speed with my wireless card. [16:28] than with Windows. Perhaps I should use ndiswrapper to wrap the Windows driver? [16:29] no idea [16:32] has anybody compared xubuntu's desktop performance with other ubuntu derivatives? [16:35] jcgrv06: how wuld you measure that? [16:35] jcgrv06: the computational performance is identical, as they are based on the same core [16:36] Overall responsiveness. Boot time, time it takes to open File Manager and navigate [16:36] how do I update my video drivers?? [16:41] n-iCe: except for some proprietary drivers, they are all shipped with the kernel/xorg [16:41] n-iCe: so they are updated with the whole system === tonyyarusso is now known as anthony === luisbg_ is now known as luisbg [16:44] One thing I missed right away w/Thuran was the search capability and Recent documents. It seems it's only available from the open / save as dialog box. Am I missing something? === anthony is now known as tonyyarusso [16:45] jcgrv06: you can add the 'places' plugin to have a list of recent documents [16:45] jcgrv06: search is done with separate programs, like catfish [16:46] Thanks, TheSheep [16:47] That's why I was asking about the performance difference between xubuntu & edubuntu, for example. edubuntu comes with it already, but it uses the gnome desktop manager [16:53] jcgrv06: yeah, Nautilus is pretty bloated with features [16:55] can someone help me? [16:55] Where do I get themes and how do I install them? [16:55] n-iCe: try http://xfce-look.org [16:56] n-iCe: you unpack them to the .themes directory in your home [16:56] I downloaded one, but I couldn't get it work :< [16:56] The-Kernel, that's all? [16:56] create this directory if it doesn't exist yet [16:56] yes, after that the theme should appear in the user interface settings or window manager settings, depending on what kind of theme it is [16:59] how do I remove a program? [16:59] apt-get remove program ? [16:59] yes, or use synaptic [16:59] thanks [17:01] TheSheep, I did but the program folder is still there [17:01] :| [17:02] program folder? [17:02] rm -r ~/.wine did the trick [17:03] you should have said you meant a windows program installed with wine [17:03] now run winecfg to recreate it [17:06] TheSheep, Ok thanks [17:06] Now, how do I open a folder with root privileges? [17:06] Because I can¡t extract the icon theme to the themes folder :\ [17:06] by the way it is on /usr/shared/themes is it correct TheSheep ? [17:11] n-iCe: icon themes are stored in .icons in your home directory or in /usr/share/icons [17:12] n-iCe: you shouldn't modify the global ones, juts make a copy in your home [17:12] all your changes would be lost on update === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [17:13] I can't create a folder on home [17:14] n-iCe: you can't create a directory in your own home directory? [17:14] how so? [17:14] the "create folder" is like blocked in grey [17:14] what's the error? [17:15] n-iCe: your home directory is /home/yourusername [17:15] ooh I thought just /home/ [17:15] Ok done, do I need to name it: .icons , right? [17:17] thanks [17:17] worked [17:39] TheSheep, I see in my menu a submenu called others, where can I find it on the terminal, what's the path any ideA? [18:07] I can't eject my cdrom, says error, how can I force it????? [18:08] is it still mounted? it anything using files on the drive? [18:09] I don't think so [18:09] I can't unmount [18:09] I have found on many occasions that thunar seems still be using something even if there are no open windows.... [18:09] says it is busy [18:10] how can I stop it? [18:10] I usually do a 'killall Thunar' [18:10] killall Thunar ? [18:10] at a terminal or in a 'alt-f2' run prompt [18:25] zoredache, ok I rebooted [18:26] ah, well that must have solved it [18:28] Grr but when I try to install the game, and ask me for the disc number to the same, I can't reject the disc number 1 :< [18:29] any idea on what to do? [18:51] is back [18:51] * Stroganoff too [19:16] rebooting, brb [19:30] hey [19:30] hello [19:30] i cant install themes ... :/ [19:30] simple problem [19:31] i tried ~/.themes adn /usr/share/themes [19:31] wheeeere to put that ****** package? [19:32] where are you installing themes from? [19:33] xfce-look.org [19:33] so? [19:35] i got package tar.gz [19:35] unpacked [19:36] and i have folder with lots of *.xpm [19:36] and 1 themerc file [19:36] its good theme folder? [19:37] plz help [19:37] hey guys any1 there ?? i have xubuntu 6.06 LTS [19:37] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=227416&highlight=xfce+xubuntu [19:37] !patients [19:37] Sorry, I don't know anything about patients - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [19:38] http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/NNM-NG?content=60643 [19:38] i want this [19:38] in 7.10 it is /usr/share/themes/ [19:39] !patience [19:39] The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [19:39] i have folder /usr/share/themes [19:39] there are other themes [19:39] make sure you can write to the directory you're putting the themes in. [19:39] i unpacked it into this folder from root [19:40] look at the contents of themerc, it may contain information about what themes are installed or give a hint as to what to do to get xubuntu to recognize the themes. [19:40] it may be as simple as -- [19:41] hmm i think i know what might be the prob [19:41] give me 5 sec i will write result [19:43] ... [19:47] ok [19:47] it works [19:47] thx for all [19:47] and your solution was? [19:47] do it carefully [19:48] and [19:48] ... [19:48] :D [19:48] now a question, do you know what actually does? [19:48] yes [19:48] it resets graphical interface and session [19:49] yes, the underlying command to it is to restart the xserver. [19:50] hehe [19:50] but u know whats the most phunny thing? [19:51] i figured out that i want to change UI rather than theme :] [19:51] they are hard to tell apart from newbie :) [19:54] BTW how to add new icons? [19:54] is there /icons/ folder? [19:54] there's a wonderful command for searching from the terminal. [19:55] to index the computer you type 'sudo slocate -d' [19:55] the to search for something type 'sudo slocate anything' [19:55] you may have to install it using apt-get. [19:55] hey -d dont work [19:55] oops, sorry it's -u. [19:55] you shouldn't need to use sudo to search for something... [19:56] ok indexing [19:56] slocate checks permissions and won't display anything you can't get to, on my computer it won't display anything I can't write to. [19:57] and you need it to run the drive indexing regardless of how it's setup. [19:57] WoW !! [19:57] its really fast [19:57] gr8 tool [19:59] BTW is "sudo thunar" safe? [19:59] !enter [19:59] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [20:00] ok [20:00] it is as safe as the user behind it. You can completely trash your OS with a single incorrect operation [20:01] but not really unsafer than su -? [20:02] it is all the same really... su, sudo, gksu, whatever you are running will have root permissions (unless you specified something else) [20:03] kk [20:03] another question [20:03] is it needed to do CTRLALTBKSP after copying new fonts to see it? [20:04] probably, I think the xserver only reads the font directory on startup [20:04] so yes? [20:05] hmm i can see it in openoffice [20:07] I dunno, I would open openoffice and see if it can see the new fonts [20:13] i need them for system ... [20:13] its still /usr/share/fonts/? [20:20] Banan_wii: you need to put them into the .fonts directory in your home and run 'fc-cache' in terminal [20:20] it cant be /usr/share/fonts? [20:21] it can [20:21] ok [20:21] thx [20:21] but it's not nice to have to run root commands every time you want to add a font [20:21] why? [20:22] np for me [20:22] every time you run a command as root a little penguin dies ;) [20:22] /usr/share/* is generally for system wide things but if you only have a single user equivalent folders are in your home directory. [20:22] :D [20:22] no eally, you will make a mistkae one time and break your system [20:22] omg what a cool text :) [20:23] hmm i must think about sort of Time Machine then :D [20:23] sorry, tired [20:24] hey which is the name of first usb mass storage? [20:26] and whats the name of FAT if i want to use mount -t? [20:27] oh drop it then i will just run winXP ... still left on my HD [20:27] bye [20:37] I'm soo glad my testing machine has an excellent internet connection, I've averaged 100 updates per day running hardy beta. [20:53] How do I determine which update is requiring a reboot before I reboot? [20:54] you should get a message when you need to [20:54] the orange update icon turns into 2 round arrows [20:54] usually, only kernel updates [20:55] PsynoKhi0: I know that I need to restart. But I want to know what caused it. [20:55] oh oops [20:55] WHICH udpate [20:55] Kernel and libc updates normally, I know. [20:55] ok read too fast, as usual... [20:55] Eh, happens [20:57] Annirak: yup... only unusually often in my case :| [20:57] some language files can do that too [20:58] Annirak: you don't have to reboot after the update [20:58] Annirak: it just won't take effect unti you do [20:58] TheSheep: Ok, but how do I see a list of packages which are calling for the restart? [20:59] Annirak: I don't think you can easily [20:59] from the live CD, is there a CLI installer that I can use after the cd has booted up? [20:59] I can't seem to get X running on the live cd. [20:59] theron: no, use the alternate cd for that [20:59] TheSheep: ok thx. [21:07] hi [21:09] hello x9x [21:10] are there a page somewhere that lists what components xubuntu is made of? [21:10] hi TheSheep [21:11] more detailed than that is use xfce4 instead of gnome ? [21:12] x9x: you can look at the deps of the xubuntu-desktop package at packages.ubuntu.com [21:13] x9x: that's 1st hand info [21:13] x9x: it changes from version to version [21:15] aha [21:23] hi, wondering if anybody knows anything about audio not working w/ adobe flash player [21:24] it's really starting to become a drag [21:25] hmm... how do I do that? when I search for xubuntu-desktop in the packages.ubuntu.com webpage I get to http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/xubuntu-desktop [21:25] am I at the right place then? [21:25] x9x: yes [21:25] ok [21:26] ....tried reinstalling flash and it happens on konqueror too [21:26] and my mixer [21:26] xfce-mixer or something [21:27] ...and the packages with the red dot ("beror" in swedish) is the deps? [21:27] is there a way to see that page in english btw? [21:27] altavista.com can translate, x9x [21:28] x9x: it is in english (for me), I suspect you may need to set the language in your browser [21:28] oups.. I found a link to english at the bottom of the page :-} [21:30] x9x: yes, the red dot indicates required packages [21:30] the green ones, "recommends" is allso installed when I install xubuntu I guess? [21:31] it depends on how you install, but yes you usually get the reccomended packages as well [21:31] something that whould be very nice is a table that compares xubuntu with fluxbuntu and normal ubuntu [21:32] aha [21:32] what's fluxbuntu? [21:33] a flavor of ubuntu that uses fluxbox as it's window manager. [21:33] I suspect that table would be really long, but it wouldn't be very hard to generate with a little scripting... [21:33] is is supposed to need less memory than xubuntu. [21:34] ya, that's what it looks like from the fluxbox wiki [21:35] zoredache : yeah I guess a ubuntu-xubuntu side-by-side page should be somewhat easy to make with scripts. but I don't know if fluxbuntu have these kind of info [21:35] sure, it should be available just as easily [21:36] btw, ehat do xubuntu do If I try do run it on a computer with too little memory? say only 100Mb... do it try anyway or protest? [21:36] *what [21:36] you might have to use apt-cache to get get your lists, but all the information is easily available [21:36] ok [21:36] oh.. now it is time for tea. see you later. [21:37] some services may not start, and you would probably get a huge ammount of disk thrashing from swap [21:44] does anyone know where the X settings in failsafe are stored? [21:46] I have looked in the Xorg.conf and all the hidden files. but I cant find it anywhere. [21:47] the reason I ask is because the HW acceleration works like a charm in failsafe, but not any other login options. [21:48] you might try a locate xorg.conf [21:48] ok [21:48] /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum [21:48] /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.roster [21:48] /usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5.gz [21:48] /usr/share/xresprobe/xorg.conf [21:48] /usr/share/displayconfig-gtk/xorg.conf.fallback [21:48] /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209155839 [21:48] /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-0 [21:48] /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080218100846 [21:48] /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209172612 [21:48] /etc/X11/xorg.conf.1 [21:49] /etc/X11/xorg.conf.deb [21:49] !pastebin > asker [21:49] /etc/X11/xorg.conf.new [21:49] /etc/X11/xorg.conf.reconfigure [21:49] /etc/X11/xorg.conf.what [21:49] /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071203193142 [21:49] /etc/X11/xorg.conf~ [21:49] /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209160239 [21:49] /etc/X11/xorg.conf [21:49] /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209155810 [21:49] /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071209155918 [21:49] ok [21:49] 1 sec [21:49] !pastebin [21:49] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [21:49] do that again... anyway look ath the filenames... on looks like it may be the failsafe [21:50] ok [21:50] don't* I mean... [21:51] i know [21:54] to continue what i was saying before about flash audio not working, here's an error i get when i run firefox->youtube as root from a shell: [21:54] ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave [21:54] any ideas? [21:54] try not running it as root [21:57] guardro, it does the same for an unpriv. user [21:57] i was just doing that b/c i only get the error as root [21:57] i'm assuming it's the same error, just not being printed to std out [21:58] maybe, maybe not, a lot of program complain when they're run from root. Alsa may be one of these (I'm not sure). [21:58] how did you install flash? === gaurdro is now known as gaurdro|away === gaurdro|away is now known as gaurdro === Fri13- is now known as Fri13 === Fri13 is now known as Fri13- === Fri13- is now known as Fri13 [22:36] Hi, everybody (particulary Stroganoff), I've something stupid but potentially useful to tell: The default shortcut key for the "popup menu" (Applications menu) in xfce is ctrl-esc. It didn't work for me, except in some rare occasions. I've been suffering from that for moths. Now I discovered the trick: the esc key has to be pressed in a very short flash on my laptop (toshiba A50), otherwise it repeats the esc, and hides the menu so [22:37] lol [22:38] besides /etc/init.d/networking restart, dhclient, and ifconfig, what toys do I have to get my roaming mode wired connection to work when I plug the cable after logging in Xubuntu? [22:38] !wifi [22:38] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [22:38] ? [22:38] ah, sorry, misread [22:38] PsynoKhi0: networt-manager [22:38] :) [22:39] network, of course [22:39] crimsun: through the applet? [22:39] PsynoKhi0: sure. [22:39] tried manual configuration > dhcp... do the 3 fields below that need to be filled accordingly? [22:43] yeah "slim" eats the double amount of ram as xdm does [22:43] but xdm is broken in hardy [22:44] crap [22:48] PsynoKhi0: you shouldn't use manual configuration if you want "roaming" for wired. [22:48] PsynoKhi0: (it's akin to setting the ifaces through /etc/network/interfaces, which disables network-manager's handling of those ifaces) [22:49] crimsun: probably not... however roaming mode isn't very cooperative if I plug in the network cable once logged in xubuntu [22:49] I get no IP address [22:50] PsynoKhi0: hmm, that hasn't been my experience. If you tail -F /var/log/daemon.log, do you see dhclient at work for that iface? [22:51] PsynoKhi0: check your dhcp server's logs [22:54] brb [23:21] maxamillion, add -devel to your autojoin ;] [23:22] cody-somerville: i don't have an autojoin [23:22] just not used to typing -devel [23:22] :) [23:23] 1st time using the alternate installer, I'm trying to install on a system built around http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ex10000eg and the harddrive is a serial ATA notebook drive. It's not detecting what HD I'm using, any guesses? [23:23] I've no idea where to even start looking for that. [23:24] theron: that's odd ... sata normally has no problems being detected [23:26] hi again [23:26] anyone seen Stroganoff around? [23:26] He left 30 minutes ago. [23:26] I saw him last at about 50 minutes ago in thsi channel [23:27] pity [23:27] I have finally got a minimal Gutsy system set up on an SD card for the eee pc [23:28] guess I will try his icebuntu scripts according to the readme :-) [23:29] maxamillion: so I'm stuck atm the regular install fails to start X in any fashion on this system, and the alternate installer fails to detect the HD. [23:30] interesting [23:33] back... ok now on the cuplrit laptop [23:34] without cable plugged in during boot: nothing in tail -F /var/log/daemon.log about the dhclient [23:35] with cable plugged in: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 yadayada [23:41] TheSheep: what kind of stuff should I look for in the dhcp logs? (dhcp.leases, right?) [23:43] PsynoKhi0: first check if the server get the request, then check if it sends a response [23:43] PsynoKhi0: then make sure the response is accepted [23:43] PsynoKhi0: you can make sure it's your computer by checking the MAC address [23:44] hello [23:44] do you know what can I do to make my Xubuntu lighter? [23:44] quittt: what is the problem exactly? [23:45] sometimes my system slowssss down [23:45] I have 128 RAM [23:45] Hi [23:45] quittt: what are you trying to run whe it slows down? [23:46] SeaMonkey, for example [23:46] quittt: I'd start with disbling the services you don't use [23:46] actually, Windows is faster than Ubuntu [23:46] WHAT!!! [23:46] and how do I see it? [23:46] quittt: system->services [23:46] xp is slow [23:46] quittt: how big is your swap? [23:46] quittt: you can have more detailed view y=uisng the boot up manager [23:46] ...but i still use it sometimes [23:47] !boot [23:47] Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto [23:47] PsynoKhi0: about 350 megabytes [23:51] it is very annoying =/ [23:51] you could try an even lighter windows manager :) I used iceWM before upgrading my RAM... but even so stuff like OpenOffice just wasn't all that fast to load up and use [23:51] iceWM [23:51] argh [23:51] some apps jsut won't feel that responsive with 128MB [23:51] I tried to use it [23:52] or enlightenment [23:52] fluxbox... [23:53] argh [23:53] fluxbox is light === danielm_ is now known as danielm [23:53] but is not a desktop [23:53] TheSheep: uh btw what are the dhcp logs called? [23:54] PsynoKhi0: no idea, I have them in /var/log/everything anyways ;) [23:54] PsynoKhi0: but that's custom [23:54] I've installed Bum [23:54] eeeeeeh [23:54] running it [23:56] quittt: and enlightenment? [23:56] Bum takes a long time to open, doesn't it? [23:57] sudo sum [23:57] sudo bum