[00:02] <thatch> launchpad vcs-import question -- is two days longer than expected for a relatively simple sync to be in "Processing?"
[00:03] <thatch> https://launchpad.net/enblend/trunk is the relevant url
[00:04] <mwhudson> thatch: not necessarily if it's a big branch
[00:05] <mwhudson> thatch: it failed though :/
[00:05] <thatch> a new meaning of Processing I wasn't aware of? ;)
[00:06] <mwhudson> thatch: like this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6642/
[00:06] <mwhudson> thatch: we're currently working hard at replacing all this infrastructure to make a great deal more sense...
[00:10] <thatch> mwhudson: is it anything that I've configured wrong and could fix myself (I notice that it lists revs in MAIN, but I left it at HEAD assuming it was automagic having not used cvs for anything much)
[00:10] <mwhudson> thatch: oh hang on
[00:11] <mwhudson> the import details are wrong, we want to be importing the 'MAIN' branch
[00:11] <mwhudson> ('HEAD' is something else)
[00:11]  * mwhudson fixes
[00:11] <thatch> thanks mwhudson, take your time
[00:12] <mwhudson> thatch: import is running again
[00:45] <clsk> hm launchpad doesn't provide mailing lists, does it?
[00:46] <LaserJock> clsk: it does for Launchpad teams yes
[00:46] <LaserJock> clsk: it's just been released within the last month
[00:47] <clsk> What about an open mailing list?
[00:48] <LaserJock> clsk: as in anybody can email to it?
[00:50] <clsk> yes
[00:51] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if that's an option or not
[00:52] <thumper> clsk: I have a feeling that it does, but with first post moderation
[00:53] <thumper> clsk: but I'm not entirely sure
[00:53] <LaserJock> https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/MailingLists says that posts from non-team members are discarded
[00:54] <LaserJock> but I'm pretty sure that it's in the works to allow it
[00:54] <LaserJock> if it isn't already as thumper said
[00:54] <thumper> LaserJock: thanks
[00:55] <mwhudson> thatch: the import succeeded at last
[00:59] <thatch> mwhudson: thanks again!
[01:17] <corevette> is there a way you can find the total history of a user?  marking as duplicates, comments, etc?
[01:26] <beuno> did launchpad just die horribly?
[01:27] <beuno> ah, it's back
[01:27]  * beuno breaths
[01:28] <beuno> aaaaand, it;s dead again
[01:29] <beuno> hrm
[01:37] <beuno> hmmmm, I'm having problems with all Ubuntu websites....  :/
[02:27] <Zelut> can anyone tell me the magic behind uploading a package to my PPA?
[03:19] <xtknight> Zelut, See PPA Quick Start
[03:19] <xtknight> https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
[03:34] <Hobbsee> why can't i rescore a gutsy build now?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> meh.   i'm sick of receiving java bugs.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> although, i could unmark it as a dupe, mark it invalid, write on the bug "THIS IS A DUPE, BUT I'M SICK OF THE BUGMAIL.  PLEASE DO NOT REMARK AS A DUPE"
[04:25] <Hobbsee> and that might stop the bugmail.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> oh, hmm, it's actually on the duped bug.
[05:08] <poolie> i'm aware of a problem with filing or editing bugs giving oopses; i'm escalating it
[05:31] <xtknight> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/62230
[05:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62230 in xorg-server "Corrupt graphics on boot with 7800GT/nv" [Unknown,Confirmed] 
[05:32] <xtknight> why does it say confirmed for X org X server
[05:32] <xtknight> the freedesktop bug says New right?
[05:34] <LaserJock> huh, I'm not having any problems with Malone
[05:35] <LaserJock> xtknight: huh?
[05:35] <xtknight> LaserJock, X.Org X server   	  [edit]  Confirmed 
[05:35] <xtknight> it shuold say New?
[05:35] <xtknight> Status:  	NEW on the freedesktop link
[05:36] <LaserJock> I see "Confirmed" and "Triaged"
[05:37] <LaserJock> and there's not a correlation between tasks
[05:37] <xtknight> i thought 'x.org x server' correlated with the freedesktop bug
[05:37] <LaserJock> it can be Confirmed in Ubuntu and New upstream
[05:37] <LaserJock> oh, right, yeah
[05:38] <LaserJock> well, I supposed you could put it as New unless somebody put it as Confirmed for a reason
[05:39] <LaserJock> some bug trackers don't automatically update the status
[05:39] <xtknight> odd
[05:39] <xtknight> oh well i'm not complaining, confirmed looks good
[05:39] <xtknight> :)
[05:40] <LaserJock> xtknight: what's odd about it?
[05:40] <xtknight> because the freedesktop tracker says New.  i dont' understand why launchpad thinks that's Confirmed
[05:40] <xtknight> i added that freedesktop tracker as a link
[05:40] <xtknight> am i missing someihng?
[05:41] <xtknight> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15411
[05:41] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 15411 in Driver/nVidia (open) "7800GT and nv driver, crashing/corruption after gdm login" [Major,New]  - Assigned to aplattner@nvidia.com
[05:41] <xtknight> this says New
[05:43] <LaserJock> xtknight: what I'ms saying is that somebody could have changed it to Confirmed in Launchpad
[05:43] <xtknight> LaserJock, i see.  wouldn't it be on the activity log?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/62230/+activity
[05:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62230 in xorg-server "Corrupt graphics on boot with 7800GT/nv" [Unknown,Confirmed] 
[05:44] <LaserJock> I would think so, but sometimes things aren't in there
[05:44] <xtknight> ah well
[05:44] <LaserJock> I'm just saying that often times the status is out of sync
[05:44] <LaserJock> though usually it would be the other way around
[08:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[08:21] <ubotu> New bug: #198936 in soyuz "Regression: Backports should ignore main-universe split" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198936
[08:21] <ubotu> New bug: #214461 in malone "Supply the error message to BugWatchUpdateWarning" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214461
[08:21] <ubotu> New bug: #214462 in malone "Supply the remote status when raising UnknownRemoteStatus" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214462
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #214464 in malone "Set the URL to the bug tracker to bug when reporting an oops in checkwatches" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214464
[08:32] <Hobbsee> good morning mpt!
[08:33] <ion_> mpt-get update
[08:33] <mpt> That reminds me, I need to upgrade to Hardy
[08:42] <poolie> hello mpt, Hobbsee 
[08:44] <Hobbsee> hey poolie!
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #214476 in launchpad-buildd "open-iscsi fails to install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214476
[10:58] <jmehdi> the LP translation features work only with .po files? I have an app with complex xml files which contain translatable strings, how could I manage that on LP?
[11:33] <kiko> jmehdi, well, we do support firefox translations, which are also XML
[11:33] <kiko> jmehdi, however, you're better off converting from your format to .po/.pot and back
[11:34] <jmehdi>  is that what you do for Firefox?
[11:35] <kiko> well, FF is really complicated, so we wrote a native importer. but it's non-trivial work, and most people just convert to/from FF
[11:37] <jmehdi> kiko, ok thanks
[13:35] <ubotu> New bug: #214572 in malone "bug reporters should be told to check on their bug from time to time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214572
[13:48] <profoX`> Hi. My ubuntu.com-address seems to be broken. What could be the cause for this? And how is the forward address chosen? My ubuntu.com address used to be forwarded to my GMail address, probably because that used to be my primary address on Launchpad, but I changed my Launchpad e-mail to the ubuntu.com one a long time ago.. could this be causing problems now?
[13:48] <Hobbsee> profoX`: if your'e forwarding yoru @ubuntu.com address to your @ubuntu.com address, yes, it breaks.
[13:49] <Hobbsee> profoX`: it's chosen by the first preferred contact address listed on LP
[13:49] <profoX`> Hobbsee: okay.. then that's the cause.. weird.. because I've had the ubuntu.com address listed there for a very long time (months) and only now the last few weeks it's causing problems
[13:50] <Hobbsee> it's been known to cause problems for a while
[13:50] <profoX`> ok.. I changed it again. How long should it take for the change to take effect?
[14:27]  * Hobbsee eyes these tags
[14:28] <Hobbsee> hwo do i say "only show me tags on these side panel that are used in the bugs belonging to this source package?
[14:32] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: You hold a Launchpad developer for ransom.
[14:32] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ahhh.  So, who's up for being held as ransom?
[14:32]  * mpt volunteers allenap
[14:33]  * allenap hastily reads backwards to try and discover my fate
[14:33] <mpt> fixing bug 66841
[14:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66841 in malone "Accompany bug listing with list of tags used in those bugs" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66841
[14:37] <allenap> mpt: Sounds interesting :)
[14:37] <allenap> BjornT: I've been nominated to do bug 66841. Looks interesting, but how does it fit with plans as they are?
[14:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66841 in malone "Accompany bug listing with list of tags used in those bugs" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66841
[14:41] <BjornT> allenap: sadly it doesn't fit into 2.0. improving tags is on the list todo, though, but atm i don't know when we will spend time on it. that bug is just one of many that needs to be fixed.
[14:43] <allenap> BjornT: Okay, I'll leave it unassigned then. Sorry mpt, Hobbsee.
[14:43] <Hobbsee> ah.  oh well.
[14:43] <Hobbsee> allenap: no problem.  I hadn't gotten my hopes up.
[14:45] <mpt> Neither had I :-)
[14:46] <Hobbsee> mpt: is there any point reporting a typo?
[14:46] <Hobbsee> You can only duplicate to bugs that are not duplicates themselves. 
[14:46] <Hobbsee> s/to//
[14:48] <intellectronica> Hobbsee: sure there is a point. feel free to subscribe me to the bug
[14:50] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: i haven't reported it. 
[14:50] <intellectronica> Hobbsee: feel free to subscribe to the bug after you've reported it ;)
[14:51] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: i prefer not to.  I hate seeing typo bugs waiting 3+ months to get fixed, for a one line change.
[14:51] <Hobbsee> sorry :(
[14:52] <mpt> Hobbsee, probably a jargon bubble rather than a typo
[14:52] <Hobbsee> mpt: it's incorrect, grammar-wise.
[14:52] <intellectronica> Hobbsee: ok. my intention was to fix it immediately. anyway, if you tell me where you found the typo i'll file the bug
[14:52] <mpt> (someone thinking of "duplicate" as an intransitive verb)
[14:52] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: oh right
[14:52] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: it's on the marking a bug as a duplicate, when it's already a duplicate of another bug
[14:53] <Hobbsee> er, when the bug you're going to mark the original bug is a dupe of, is a dupe of another bug already.
[14:53] <Hobbsee> morning mrevell 
[14:53] <mrevell> hey Hobbsee
[14:55] <mpt> so, use singular rather than plural
[14:55] <mpt> use "mark a bug as duplicate" rather than "duplicate to"
[14:55] <mpt> and push the word "only" as late as possible for least ambiguity
[14:56] <mpt> so, "You can mark a bug report as duplicate only of one that isn't a duplicate itself."
[15:11] <ubotu> New bug: #214608 in malone "Typo (or bad grammar) when attmepting to makr a bug as duplicate of another duplicate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214608
[15:12] <Hobbsee> oh, the irony :)
[15:12] <intellectronica> irony?
[15:12] <ion_> Heh
[15:12] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: tyop in the bug report about a typo in launchpad.
[15:13] <intellectronica> heh :)
[15:13] <intellectronica> more than one, even
[15:15] <ubotu> New bug: #214612 in soyuz "Provide pdiffs for apt-get update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214612
[15:15] <Hobbsee> pdiffs?
[15:16] <Hobbsee> ooh, nice.
[15:17] <Fujitsu> That's a lot of diffs. I presume that's part fo the reason it hasn't been implemented.
[15:17] <Fujitsu> As we have about 24 times more of them.
[15:17] <elmo> pdiffs are also often a massive pessmisation
[15:17] <Hobbsee> i didn't think the package lists were that big, anyway
[15:17] <elmo> making them available is one thing, turning them on by default is quite another
[15:17] <Hobbsee> compared to packages
[15:18] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: universe is several megabytes.
[15:18]  * cprov hides in his cave.
[15:18] <Fujitsu> elmo: How would they degrade speed?
[15:18]  * Fujitsu drags cprov out.
[15:18] <elmo> Fujitsu: because assembling them is extremely expensive
[15:18] <elmo> CPU-wise
[15:18] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i forget.  I must have been working with kde stuff for far too long.
[15:18] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[15:18] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Haha.
[15:18] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: where the packages are *substantially* bigger than the package lists :)
[15:19] <Hobbsee> cprov: no hiding.  We're not cursing the innards of soyuz today.
[15:19] <Fujitsu> When you're on a stable release, apt-get updating once a day is probably uselessly expensive.
[15:19] <elmo> Fujitsu: eh?
[15:19] <elmo> Fujitsu: it's a bunch of HEAD requests
[15:19] <elmo> it's extremely cheap, both for the server and the client
[15:20] <Fujitsu> -updates and -security can get fairly large, and -security is updated often...
[15:20] <elmo> s/HEAD/IMS/
[15:21] <elmo> 128K    universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[15:21] <elmo> 192K    main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[15:21] <elmo> actually, I think we default to .bz2 which is even smaller
[15:21] <Fujitsu> Which distroseries?
[15:21] <elmo> dapper
[15:21] <Fujitsu> Hm. I thought it was larger. But maybe it wasn't using the gzipped one for some reason.
[15:21] <elmo> sorry
[15:21] <elmo> dapper-security
[15:21] <elmo> I was responding to your -security is updated often line
[15:22] <Hobbsee> elmo: dapper-updates is similar?
[15:22] <Fujitsu> -updates should be a tad bigger.
[15:22] <Fujitsu> As it should be a superset of -security, except for the latest stuff.
[15:22] <elmo> 268K    dapper-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
[15:22] <elmo> 116K    dapper-updates/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
[15:28]  * Fujitsu heads to bed.
[15:28] <Fujitsu> Night all.
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #214629 in soyuz "Binary package page overuses <h2>" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214629
[15:58] <jmehdi> Hi, I requested a mailing list 10 days ago and still nothing... :( How long does it take to approve a mailing list?
[16:29] <fgiraldeau> Hi there, I would like to delete a project in launchpad
[16:29] <fgiraldeau> ltsp-loadbalancer
[16:30] <fgiraldeau> since it will be hold under another project
[17:42] <komputes> SteveA: ping
[17:43] <komputes> small typo on https://help.launchpad.net/BetaTesting
[17:43] <komputes> If you're a beta testers and you visit the normal launchpad.net production environment
[17:43] <komputes> to
[17:43] <komputes> If you're a beta tester and you visit the normal launchpad.net production environment
[17:45] <intellectronica> komputes: guess what ... it's a wiki ;)
[17:46] <intellectronica> komputes: anyway ... fixed. thanks for catching this
[17:47] <komputes> intellectronica: yeah, for some reason it's telling me i'm not logged in
[17:47] <komputes> but i assure you i'm logged in and have 10 launchpad tabs open
[17:48] <intellectronica> komputes: really? strange...
[17:48] <komputes> indeed
[18:02] <synic> is there some text you can put in bug comments that will automatically create a link to bzr revisions?
[18:02] <synic> kinda like "bug 234324" does, but with the VCS
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #214710 in malone "no link to bug page from comments page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214710
[19:08] <nand> hi! Anybody from LP knows if the mailing list system is working?
[19:08] <nand> I have requested one three days ago. I may just be a little impatient though :)
[19:11] <jmehdi> nand, I requested mine 10 days ago and still no news....
[19:13] <nand> jmehdi: damn. Either they are set a quota, and we have to wait, or they have some problems.
[19:14] <matsubara> jmehdi, nand: which teams? I'll ask the mailing list admins
[19:14] <nand> matsubara: brainstorm-dev, for Ubuntu Brainstorm
[19:14] <nand> thanks
[19:15] <jmehdi> matsubara: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntume.team
[19:17] <andrea-bs> for my team it says "This team's mailing list will be available within a few minutes." since last week
[19:26] <matsubara> jmehdi, nand: I think you're being affected by bug 208431.
[19:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208431 in launchpad "OOPS trying to subscribe to inactive mailing list" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208431 - Assigned to Barry Warsaw (barry)
[19:27] <matsubara> that's fixed and hopefully will be on lpnet today. sorry for the inconvenience.
[19:28] <matsubara> actually, you're affected by the collateral damage explained by barry in the comments, not exactly the OOPS described in the description.
[19:30] <nand> matsubara: oh, ok! Thanks for the quick reaction!
[19:31] <nand> matsubara: shall we cancel the subscription meanwhile?
[19:32] <matsubara> I don't think that's necessary. the mailing list should just become active once the bug hits lpnet
[19:32] <matsubara> s/the bug/the bug fix/
[19:32] <nand> :)
[19:33] <barry> nand: matsubara is right
[19:34] <nand> ok, cool, thanks for the fast answers
[20:27] <timing> hey guys
[20:28] <timing> wouldn't it be cool to add a "paste as attachment" textarea at the commenting system?
[20:29] <timing> because everytime i want to add a patch i have to download the remotely developed file to my local desktop and upload it from here, while i can as well add a bit to my clipboard and paste it as patch
[21:19] <newz2000> hi kiko
[21:24] <fgiraldeau> hi kiko, is it possible to delete the project ltsp-loadbalancer ?
[21:24] <fgiraldeau> since it will be hold under another project
[21:25] <kiko> fgiraldeau, huh? you can add projects to project groups.
[21:25] <fgiraldeau> ok, that could be done, you're right
[21:26] <fgiraldeau> It does more management, but it's ok. Thanks. 
[21:26] <fgiraldeau> I must leave. Take care ;)
[21:38] <patrys> anyone here aware of how often admins check the launchpad related questions? not sure if it's days or weeks
[21:40] <RainCT> Hi
[21:41] <RainCT> I might have already asked it but, is there some way to get the launchpad name of someone knowing only his email address?
[22:01] <thumper> RainCT: does it work if you search for a person using the email address?
[22:06] <RainCT> thumper: hm.. yes, would work, but that isn't the ideal solution
[22:07] <thumper> RainCT: what exactly are you after?
[22:07] <RainCT> as it's for a cronjob that would need to check somewhat like 100 mails every day
[22:09] <RainCT> thumper: it's for MoM, btw
[22:11] <thumper> MoM?
[22:11] <RainCT> thumper: merges.ubuntu.com
[22:11] <thumper> RainCT: there will be soon but I can't give a firm ETA
[22:12] <RainCT> thumper: what is "soon", aprox?
[22:13] <thumper> RainCT: > 2 weeks, < 3 months
[22:13] <RainCT> thumper: ok, thanks
[22:16] <RainCT> good night
[23:02] <ubotu> New bug: #210535 in launchpad "untrue information in project overview" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210535
[23:08] <yeager> mdke: when will you start build the edubuntu-docs package?
[23:09] <yeager> mdke: i have a file in the import queue for the Swedish edubuntu handbook
[23:10] <mdke> yeager: I don't think the edubuntu handbook is being shipped in hardy, but I don't take care of that package - LaserJock can tell you more
[23:10] <mdke> yeager: #ubuntu-docs is the best channel for this sort of thing
[23:10] <yeager> mdke: ok, thanks!
[23:41] <ubotu> New bug: #214843 in launchpad "Cycles in team data kill mailing lists" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214843