[00:00] <heartsblood> like when a select a window from the foreground i'll get a slight sound lag if i'm listening to something
[00:00] <testx> anyone here got Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8039 !
[00:00] <testx> my wlan and ethernet both stopped after updating my ubuntu
[00:01] <heartsblood> according atop pulseaudio is @ 7% cpu with rhythmbox playing.  is it just me or does that seem high?
[00:02] <mooboo1> anyway to view a manual page, without using the command 'man' ?
[00:03] <mooboo1> like perhaps with a gui?
[00:13] <poni> So... I got a problem in Hardy Heron, in Hardware Drivers, it's not listing anything and I'd like to install Nvidia driver =)
[00:14] <jbroome> !nvidia | poni
[00:14] <ubotu> poni: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:15] <lilyth> hi
[00:15] <lilyth> anyone tell me how t resolve liblauchpad problem?
[00:15] <T1m0thy> hi
[00:15] <T1m0thy> i don't know
[00:15] <T1m0thy> i have it too
[00:15] <lilyth> lame.
[00:16] <T1m0thy> Please make sure you know how to administer an Ubuntu system (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy
[00:16] <T1m0thy> So I wouldn't ask. :p
[00:16] <thompa> why not ask?
[00:16] <lilyth> Please learn how to push packges properly before putting them in a release, even if its beta
[00:16] <T1m0thy> I'd assume uninstall/reinstall or wait for updates.
[00:17] <T1m0thy> Do you know, thompa
[00:17] <T1m0thy> ?
[00:17] <thompa> no clue
[00:17] <lilyth> figures.
[00:17] <T1m0thy> Alright.
[00:17] <thompa> whats the problem with liblaunchpad
[00:18] <thompa> i mean whats the question?
[00:18] <lilyth> well, the installed version is liblaunchpad-integration0
[00:18] <T1m0thy> It's a broken package.
[00:18] <lilyth> the one that came down today is liblaunchpad-integration1
[00:18] <lilyth> cant remove the old one
[00:18] <lilyth> without uninstalling a LOT of stuff
[00:18] <lilyth> cant get the new one in
[00:19] <lilyth> coz it conflicts ith the old one
[00:19] <scizzo-> lilyth: its reported in launchpad
[00:19] <lilyth> Im sure theres some magick apt incantation to fix
[00:19] <lilyth> but Im not an apt guru
[00:20] <lilyth> so I was hoping someone here knewit
[00:20] <T1m0thy> ermm..
[00:20] <lilyth> thank you scizzo-
[00:20] <T1m0thy> It's saying my package isn't broke anymore.
[00:20] <thompa> lilyth: i have liblaunchpad1 installed
[00:20] <lilyth> lucky you.
[00:20] <T1m0thy> Have you run sudo apt-get update and installed ALL the latest ones?
[00:20] <lilyth> yes.
[00:20] <T1m0thy> alright
[00:21] <lilyth> thts the only one tht wont go
[00:21] <thompa> says here launchpad-integration0 and 1 installed
[00:21] <T1m0thy> same, thompa
[00:21] <MTecknology> all of a sudden with todays updates, AWN has a white edge on the right and bottom... anybody else have that issue?
[00:21] <lilyth> I dont have integration1 installed, thats my hangup
[00:21] <MTecknology> it's either todays or yesterdays updates
[00:22] <T1m0thy> lilyth, you can't install it?
[00:22] <thompa> lilyth: all i did was a fresh install and its there
[00:22] <lilyth> no T1m0thy I cant
[00:22] <thompa> it was there by default
[00:22] <T1m0thy> Hmm.. :\
[00:22] <lilyth> thompa  fresh install?
[00:22] <thompa> i installed beta last night, have since updated is all
[00:23] <lilyth> Ive had the beta in like a week, I guess
[00:23] <jmdc> I crashed the installer doing manual partitioning. I made a boot primary boot partition, then tried to make a logical partition with all the remaining free space, and choose "do not use", but the installer just churned on that for a long time, and stopped updating the gui - I just had an empty, unresponsive window.
[00:23] <scizzo-> !launcpad #213863
[00:23] <scizzo-> !213863
[00:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 213863 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:23] <thompa> lilyth: i know an upgrade should work, but i had issues
[00:23] <MTecknology> !bug 213683
[00:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213683 in openlibrary "LCCNs not appearing in imported LoC records" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213683
[00:23] <T1m0thy> zomg, The updates keep coming and coming. I wish it was always like this.. I've been thinking of moving to a distribution where the repositories are updated a lot more often.
[00:23] <scizzo-> MTecknology: thanks
[00:24] <scizzo-> MTecknology: hmmm not really the one I am looking at
[00:24] <scizzo-> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/213863
[00:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213863 in launchpad-integration "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0" [High,Fix released]
[00:24] <MTecknology> scizzo-, i think you can just say either 213683 or bug 213683 in a sentence and it'll pop us
[00:24] <lilyth> thts it
[00:24] <MTecknology> nope, nvm
[00:24] <MTecknology> used to
[00:24] <lilyth> hmm 'fix released'
[00:24] <lilyth> whts that
[00:24] <thompa> lilyth: maybe check repos
[00:25] <scizzo-> lilyth: go to the link...there are workarounds if you have problems
[00:25] <lilyth> thank you scizzo-
[00:26] <scizzo-> MTecknology: hehe nice.. :)
[00:26] <mooboo1> nemo, actually it was the "Virtual" line in my xorg.conf that was the culprit, strange how that I've had that line a long time, and it never caused any trouble
[00:26] <MTecknology> O, apparently my issue with awn is fixed with the updates of the last few hours
[00:26] <lilyth> hmm says fixd 11 hours ago
[00:27]  * lilyth refreshes
[00:27] <Smegzor> I found out whats causing me to not be able to change my desktop wallpaper.  Its something Ubuntu Tweak is doing to break .gconf
[00:27] <cyclonut> mooboo1: what trouble was it causing again?
[00:27] <mooboo1> cyclonut, GDM was appearing large, and only 1/4 of screen
[00:27] <cyclonut> aaah, like you had another monitor connected
[00:27] <cyclonut> gotcha
[00:28] <mooboo1> when I use driver 'nv' i can use displayconfig-gtk to set refresh rate 50-85, but when i use 'nvidia', displayconfig-gtk only let me select 50-54 even though it actually runs at 85 hz
[00:28] <mooboo1> cyclonut, yeah, exactly
[00:28] <Smegzor> I got back the ability to change wallpaper, then installed Ubuntu Tweak, used it to hide desktop icons and BAM!  Lost the ability to change wallpaper.  I tested that before and after.   So I have to delete .gconf again :(
[00:28] <x0x> how to install proftpd?
[00:29] <scizzo-> x0x: apt-get install proftpd
[00:29] <scizzo-> x0x: maybe?
[00:29] <x0x> nope
[00:29] <x0x> E: Couldn't find package proftpd
[00:29] <lilyth> thanks al.
[00:29] <lilyth> all
[00:29] <MTecknology> x0x, aptitude search proftpd
[00:29] <scizzo-> x0x: then you should check the repos you have
[00:30] <MTecknology> Is anybody else having having color glitches with Firefox with the bookmarks toolbar?
[00:30] <x0x> st3v3n@AmaderBanglaChat:~$ aptitude search proftpd
[00:30] <x0x> st3v3n@AmaderBanglaChat:~$
[00:31] <x0x> no reply
[00:31] <scizzo-> x0x: check your repos
[00:31] <MTecknology> aight - i'm out
[00:31] <x0x> i am on text only
[00:31] <scizzo-> x0x: less /apt/sources.list
[00:32] <cyclonut> anyone know the actual day of release for hardy?
[00:32] <T1m0thy> 24th
[00:32] <x0x> . /apt/sources.list: No such file or directory
[00:32] <T1m0thy> I believe.
[00:32] <cyclonut> thanky sir
[00:32] <scizzo-> x0x: less /etc//apt/sources.list
[00:32] <scizzo-> x0x: less /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:32] <cyclonut> I need to set up a server for long term use, and I want ot use hardy due to LTS. however, I need to set it up in the next couple days. I guess I'll just risk the upgrade
[00:33] <x0x> schallstrom_ what do i add here now?
[00:33] <scizzo-> x0x: actually the question is if you have changed that file
[00:33] <x0x> nope
[00:33] <x0x> i didnt
[00:33] <scizzo-> x0x: I just installed a gutsy server and I have hardy desktop server which both shows proftpd
[00:34] <x0x> http://pastebin.com/m2837f76c
[00:34] <x0x> take a look
[00:34] <scizzo-> x0x: hold on
[00:34] <scizzo-> x0x: you are on dapper?
[00:35] <scizzo-> x0x: then this is not really the right channel first of all since its hardy only.....for testing
[00:36] <x0x> nope
[00:36] <x0x> i am in x.10
[00:36] <scizzo-> right
[00:37] <scizzo-> x0x: but this is still the hardy support channel.....#ubuntu is the main help channel for stable releases....
[00:38] <Sergeant_Pony> morning / afternoon / evening
[00:38] <scizzo-> x0x: but I can tell you to try and comment out the cdrom and remove the # infront of the universe repos then run: apt-get update && apt-cache search proftpd
[00:39] <x0x> how do i exit from less ?
[00:39] <scizzo-> x0x: q
[00:40] <x0x> tnx
[00:40] <scizzo-> np
[00:40] <gilster32> i have been getting issues with the process '
[00:41] <gilster32> sorry. with the process " evolution-data-server'
[00:41] <Sergeant_Pony> what are the text editors that come with ubuntu that are command line used?
[00:41] <gilster32> sometimes it is running the processor at 98 percent for hours. then my machine locks up
[00:43] <x0x> scizzo- tnx
[00:43] <x0x> i got proftpd
[00:43] <critter-> Sergeant_Pony, nano is most often used
[00:44] <scizzo-> x0x: hehe no problem
[00:44] <x0x> scizzo- do you know how to setup ns1.something.com ?
[00:44] <scizzo-> x0x: you mean dns server?
[00:44] <x0x> yes
[00:45] <soundray> I can't find the restricted drivers manager after upgrading to hardy. Has it been replaced?
[00:45] <scizzo-> x0x: well yes.....took a while to understand but wasn't to hard
[00:46] <x0x> can you teach me?
[00:46] <scizzo-> x0x: actually I would suggest to read about it
[00:46] <scizzo-> x0x: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/dns-server-setup-using-bind-in-ubuntu.html
[00:46] <Sergeant_Pony> critter: nano.. ok. I tried gedit but it wouldn't work... I'll try that. Thanks
[00:47] <scizzo-> x0x: usually ubuntugeek website have rather good howtos for understanding those kind of stuff
[00:47] <scizzo-> x0x: plus I need to sleep
[00:48] <x0x> well me too
[00:48] <x0x> its 6 am
[00:48] <Sergeant_Pony> critter-: if I need to edit under sudo does it also work for that?
[00:50] <Fritzel> when you renice which way is lower priority?
[00:51] <xtknight> anyone here with an nvidia 6xxx or higher where the installer freezes(nv), except in safe graphics mode(vesa)?
[00:51] <xtknight> or anyone with a geforce 8xxx and higher that can use nv?
[00:51] <xtknight> i'd like some comments on Bug 62230
[00:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62230 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "Corrupt graphics on boot with 7800GT/nv" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62230
[00:52] <soundray> Sergeant_Pony: use nano with sudo, gedit with gksudo
[00:52] <Sergeant_Pony> soundtray: ahh, ok... that would explain it. Thanks for the info.
[00:52] <x0x> scizzo- do you use yahoo or msn?
[00:53] <dassouki> does anyone have a problem with cheese? it shuts down randomly, with no error wutso ever
[00:53] <dassouki> what*
[00:53] <x0x> lol
[00:53] <xtknight> !info cheese
[00:54] <ubotu> cheese (source: cheese): A tool to take pictures and videos from your webcam. In component main, is optional. Version 2.22.0-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 1070 kB, installed size 4892 kB
[00:54] <xtknight> :p
[00:54] <x0x>  -fredorik:#ubuntu- fredorik has sent you a memo! To read it, type /server 1 < FUNNY?
[00:54] <Sergeant_Pony> no
[00:54] <soundray> What's the recommended procedure for switching to the binary ati driver?
[00:54] <xtknight> soundray, gksu jockey-gtk
[00:54] <soundray> xtknight: will try, thanks
[00:55] <xtknight> dassouki, cheese starts for me but i have no capture device.  i only see a test image
[00:55] <dassouki> xtknight, mine starts, the webcam light goes on
[00:56] <soundray> xtknight: looks familiar. Thank you! Rebooting to test...
[00:56] <dassouki> xtknight, mine starts, the webcam light goes on, then crashes 10 seconds later
[00:56] <xtknight> dassouki, does it also crash in gstreamer-properties
[00:56] <sivel27> hello all
[00:56] <sivel27> quick question.
[00:56] <xtknight> goto video, default input, see if you can see an image from your webcam without a crash
[00:57] <x0x> ERROR:>   	[4/9/2008 5:56:32 AM] Requested action not taken (e.g., file or directory not found, no access).
[00:57] <dassouki> no my webcam works fine, i ran gstream-properties, and it detects the cam
[00:57] <dassouki> xtknight, no my webcam works fine, i ran gstream-properties, and it detects the cam
[00:57] <xtknight> you can preview an image?
[00:57] <dassouki> nope
[00:57] <dassouki> not on cheese
[00:58] <xtknight> on gstreamer?
[00:58] <xtknight> press Test
[00:58] <x0x> Unable to transfer.
[00:58] <x0x> This is most likely due to insufficient permissions. Verify both the destination path and permissions, then try again. If the problem persists, contact your system administrator or hosting provider.
[00:58] <x0x> i am getting this error on proftd
[00:58] <dassouki> i can see my self :D
[00:58] <x0x> how do i fix it now?
[00:58] <xtknight> dassouki, ok
[00:58] <dassouki> xtknight, i can see my self,
[00:58] <sivel27> running heron, restricted drivers, ati 9700 pro...... the resolution hooked up to my 32 lcd says 1360x... but it looks like 1280x768, the problem is the refresh reate im guessing, as it looks "cut-off" on both sides, i.e black bars. any suggestions?
[00:58] <xtknight> dassouki, run "cheese" from the console and report any errors you see
[00:59] <xtknight> sivel27,  1360x768 is your lcd's resolution?
[00:59] <dassouki> xtknight, using source: v4l2src
[00:59] <dassouki> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[00:59] <xtknight> well that is because the graphics card is scaling.
[00:59] <xtknight> so it's sending the monitor a full image
[00:59] <sivel27> the max, yes. i only want to run it in 1280
[00:59] <xtknight> dassouki, then i guess file a bug on launchpad for cheese
[00:59] <Smegzor> I've found a bug.  Could somebody confirm this please.. Try to change your wallpaper using system/preferences/appearance.  Then run gconf-editor and hide your desktop.  Now try changing your wallpaper as before.  When I do these things, I lose the ability to change wallpaper except by restarting X.  I initially blamed Ubuntu-Tweak but I think its somewhere else.
[01:00] <sivel27> 1366 rather
[01:00] <sivel27> is the max
[01:00] <xtknight> sivel27, ok.  this is not an option in screen resolutions, then?
[01:00] <dassouki> xtknight, thanks anyways
[01:00] <sivel27> no, it "says" its @ 1366, but it looks more like a "cramped" 1280
[01:00] <Luckrider> sivel27, have you tried changing the screen type in the ui
[01:01] <Luckrider> *gui
[01:01] <xtknight> sivel27, that's because your graphics card is scaling
[01:01] <Luckrider> that is how I fixed mine
[01:01] <xtknight> but that does not mean you are at that resolution
[01:01] <sivel27> no i havent
[01:01] <Luckrider> ok
[01:01] <sivel27> how does one go about with that?
[01:01] <Luckrider> go to other
[01:01] <Luckrider> then click
[01:01] <xtknight> well font size isn't going to fix black bars
[01:01] <Luckrider> screens/graphics
[01:01] <Luckrider> then... hold on
[01:01] <Luckrider> let me check
[01:01] <sivel27> other? from what place?
[01:01] <dassouki> xtknight, do u kno where the cheese config files are
[01:01] <xtknight> i'm not sure.  there used to be a tool in screen/graphics under Other
[01:02] <xtknight> mine recenetly disappeared too
[01:02] <xtknight> it was in applicatoins menu
[01:02] <sivel27> hmm
[01:02] <xtknight> gksu displayconfig-gtk
[01:02] <xtknight> is the cmd line
[01:02] <sivel27> so it has nothing to do w/ refresh?
[01:02] <xtknight> no dont think so
[01:02] <sivel27> ok
[01:02] <sivel27> ill try that right now
[01:02] <xtknight> you are running at 1280 on the gfx card, regardless of what lcd says.
[01:02] <sivel27> would doing this be bad during a apt-get update running/
[01:02] <Luckrider> I am so sorry hold on
[01:03] <Luckrider> My friend installed KDE with Gnome
[01:03] <Luckrider> and it is hard to find that
[01:03] <Smegzor> Is anyone testing the wallpaper bug I just described?
[01:03] <xtknight> dassouki, hmmm nope
[01:03] <xtknight> Smegzor, uh one second
[01:03] <sivel27> so, run the cmd line you posted then?
[01:03] <xtknight> sivel27, yeah
[01:04] <jburd> Does hardy have desktop effects disabled by default on the LiveCD?
[01:04] <xtknight> Smegzor, what do you mean hide my deskto
[01:04] <xtknight> jburd, it's enabled by default if there's an open source driver that supports it.  like intel
[01:04] <xtknight> as far as i know
[01:04] <Unxuxu> who is running adobe flash player with ffox 3 beta 5?
[01:04] <jburd> Ah.  Does it allow installing non-free drivers?
[01:04] <xtknight> i know it enables itself right after i install prop drivers without my doing anything
[01:04] <xtknight> yes
[01:04] <xtknight> Unxuxu, me
[01:04] <Luckrider> sorrry Sivel27, I can't find it in my system
[01:04] <Smegzor> its a tick box in gconf-editor under apps/nautilus/preferences
[01:04] <Luckrider> but if you find the gui
[01:05] <Unxuxu> xtknight: Could you help with it?
[01:05] <Luckrider> look for screen
[01:05] <xtknight> Luckrider, sivel27 the gui is gksu displayconfig-gtk
[01:05] <Smegzor> its called show_desktop
[01:05] <Luckrider> and click the pull down
[01:05] <sivel27> ok, ill try the displayconfig cmd
[01:05] <Luckrider> maybee
[01:05] <xtknight> Unxuxu, yeah in a few... testing things
[01:05] <Unxuxu> xtknight: ok... tks... good lucky with your tests
[01:05] <Luckrider> yes
[01:05] <Luckrider> it is
[01:05] <Luckrider> ok
[01:05] <Luckrider> click model
[01:06] <Luckrider> and change it to one with the desired resolution
[01:06] <Unxuxu> *luck
[01:06] <xtknight> Smegzor, yeah i guess that's a bug, but you can get the wallpaper to load if you toggle show desktop once again
[01:06] <Luckrider> sivel27 did you get that?
[01:06] <sivel27> hmm. under the res options, theres every res except 1280
[01:06] <Smegzor> hmm.   I don't want to see icons on my wallpaper :)
[01:07] <Luckrider> no
[01:07] <Luckrider> click on the model
[01:07] <xtknight> Smegzor, no i mean toggle it again
[01:07] <Luckrider> then change it to generic 1400x1500
[01:07] <sivel27> ahh
[01:07] <xtknight> just turn off/on
[01:07] <xtknight> causes it to repaint
[01:07] <Luckrider> that is how I fixed mine
[01:07] <Smegzor> so you found the same behaviour?  I'll file my first bug report :D
[01:07] <xtknight> but it's still a bug.  feel free to file it on launchpad
[01:07] <xtknight> yea
[01:07] <sivel27> ok one sec
[01:07] <Luckrider> np
[01:07] <xtknight> Unxuxu, what was your question?
[01:07] <Luckrider> then you can change the resolution
[01:07] <sivel27> you mean after setting it , turn tv on/off?
[01:07] <xtknight> Smegzor, once filed give me the ID and i'll confirm it
[01:08] <Smegzor> ok
[01:08] <Luckrider> wait, you are using a tv
[01:08] <xtknight> sivel27, setup a display and find 1366x768 resolution
[01:08] <Luckrider> ?
[01:08] <xtknight> sounds like a tv to me
[01:08] <Luckrider> hmm
[01:08] <sivel27> it is
[01:08] <sivel27> westinghouse
[01:08] <xtknight> ah
[01:08] <Luckrider> then yeah you might need to turn it off
[01:08] <Unxuxu> xtknight: I cant get flash plugin work... Im reading things about 4 hours or more... no success!
[01:08] <Luckrider> it is and LCD
[01:08] <Luckrider> ?
[01:08] <xtknight> sivel27, i've heard of your display having an EDID bug i think?
[01:08] <Luckrider> or plasma?
[01:08] <critter-> Sergeant_Pony, yep it sure does sudo nano filename
[01:08] <xtknight> i dont know
[01:08] <xtknight> Unxuxu, what ubuntu did you install, 32bit or 64bit?
[01:09] <Unxuxu> xtknight: 32
[01:09] <sivel27> dont know wht bug you speak of, windows runs the res fine
[01:09] <xtknight> type "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[01:09] <sivel27> lcd
[01:09] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:09] <Luckrider> ok
[01:09] <Unxuxu> xtknight: this command is for me?
[01:09] <Luckrider> um
[01:09] <xtknight> Unxuxu, sorry ya
[01:09] <Luckrider> it should work with it still on
[01:09] <mohamed_> how can innstall firefox java plugins , i have already java-sun installed ?
[01:09] <xtknight> Luckrider, pastebin "sudo ddcprobe" please
[01:09] <Luckrider> I hava an aquos that works that way
[01:10] <Luckrider> what xkight?
[01:10] <Unxuxu> ok... this will install adobe plugin, or gnash?
[01:10] <xtknight> Luckrider, sorry i meant sivel27
[01:10] <Luckrider> oh
[01:10] <xtknight> Unxuxu, adobe
[01:10] <Unxuxu> xtknight: ok... this will install adobe plugin, or gnash?
[01:10] <Smegzor> xtknight: hmm!  no amount of toggling that setting is giving me back wallpaper changing.
[01:10] <Unxuxu> xtknight: hmmm nice... will try now!
[01:10] <xtknight> Smegzor, really..
[01:10] <sivel27> im sorry, xt, what was that?
[01:10] <xtknight> hmm
[01:10] <xtknight> sivel27, type "sudo ddcprobe"
[01:10] <xtknight> and paste the results
[01:10] <xtknight> !pastebin | sivel27
[01:10] <ubotu> sivel27: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[01:11] <Sergeant_Pony> critter-: thanks
[01:11] <Smegzor> yeah :(  My .gconf is brand new (deleted and recreated 15 mins ago or so).  I've done very little to it other than customising a panel.
[01:11] <sivel27> command not found, and i havent changed the display options yet if that matters
[01:11] <xtknight> sivel27, sudo apt-get install xresprobe
[01:12] <xtknight> Smegzor, well for me basically turning show_desktop off/on at any immediate moment causes the desktop to repaint, which will cause the wallpaper to change if it had been changed.
[01:12] <xtknight> so i have no icons, then i turn show_desktop on then back off.. and now no icons and an updated wallpaper
[01:12] <xtknight> it's stlil a bug but..
[01:13] <Smegzor> hmm..  I'm clicking on different images in the appearance gui.  Maybe my double clicks aren't being recorded in the registry?
[01:13] <xtknight> dunno
[01:13] <xtknight> wallpaper is in gconf also
[01:14] <xtknight> i forget the path name
[01:14] <Unxuxu> xtknight: its impossible!   I got the same error... of course... the package suggest by you, contains the same flash-nonfree package...
[01:14] <Smegzor> yeah I've been in gconf hunting for this problem for days
[01:14] <Unxuxu> xtknight: Download done.
[01:14] <Unxuxu> md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[01:14] <Unxuxu> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
[01:14] <xtknight> ah
[01:15] <sivel27> ok xt, its pasted
[01:15] <xtknight> Unxuxu, going to try and reproduce it on a clean hardy
[01:15] <sivel27> under sivel
[01:15] <xtknight> sivel27, url?
[01:16] <xtknight> i cannot see it
[01:16] <sivel27> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62577/
[01:16] <xtknight> ok
[01:16] <xtknight> dtiming: 1360x768@59
[01:16] <xtknight> so sounds like this is the proper res
[01:16] <Unxuxu> xtknight:  ok... I have a fresh install... I had installed yesterday... just some updates ...  (my english is poor, dont piss in my mouth)
[01:16] <Smegzor> hmm..  why doesn't my desktop refresh?  Is there anything I can do to force a refresh?
[01:16] <xtknight> lol
[01:17] <xtknight> Smegzor, killall nautilus && nautilus
[01:17] <sivel27> yes, however, the screen looks "smashed" in from the sides, and the upper and lowers bars are cut off a bit
[01:17] <Smegzor> ok
[01:17] <xtknight> sivel27, so basically what you need to do is get fglrx to recognize
[01:17] <xtknight> 1360x768
[01:17] <xtknight> sivel27, type xrandr -q | grep -i current
[01:18] <xtknight> you can just paste this single line here.
[01:18] <Smegzor> done.  I get an error when it restarts..  ** (nautilus:15309): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported.  Could that be significant to my problem?
[01:18] <xtknight> Smegzor, nah same thing happens to me
[01:18] <Smegzor> oh ok
[01:18] <xtknight> did the wallpaper update?
[01:19] <Smegzor> yes.  trying to update manually now
[01:19] <Smegzor> its updating manually again
[01:19] <xtknight> Unxuxu, there is a bug right now with flash player
[01:19] <xtknight> nobody can install it
[01:19] <xtknight> i will search/file a bug
[01:21] <sivel27> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1360 x 768, maximum 1360 x 768
[01:21] <xtknight> interesting
[01:21] <Smegzor> gah!  this is frustrating!  I can change wallpaper if I show icons, but not with icons hidden :<
[01:21] <xtknight> it thinks you're already at that resolution
[01:21] <xtknight> sivel27, then it could be overscan
[01:21] <Smegzor> even after shutting down nautilus
[01:21] <Smegzor> I'll log out and back in..  might help
[01:21] <sivel27> ok, are there any other ways to fix this, as its my htpc, hooked up in my living room
[01:22] <Unxuxu> xtknight:   dammmmn it!   you tube is my TV channel!... LOL...  whataf*ck!
[01:22] <Smegzor> then I'll go find a nice brick wall for my head
[01:22] <pen> how to disable gnome draw desktop call to let compiz desktop cube take over?
[01:22] <xtknight> sivel27, does your tv have any options for adjusting image position?
[01:23] <xtknight> Unxuxu,  i filed a bug here: Bug 214341
[01:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214341 in flashplugin-nonfree "flash plugin md5sum outdated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214341
[01:24] <Unxuxu> xtknight:  I will try to do something and try to help the community...  what is the firefox 3 beta 5 plugins folder?  I have a java plugin working... how could I know where is this plugin running from?
[01:24] <sivel27> i believe so, but not only is it "smashed" from the sides, but the menu and bottom bar are cut off
[01:24] <xtknight> yeah
[01:24] <xtknight> Unxuxu, the problem is, the plugin isn't even being downloaded
[01:24] <xtknight> Unxuxu, i can try and patch it
[01:24] <xtknight> i mean it's not even being installe
[01:25] <xtknight> should bein /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[01:25] <soundray> xtknight: I've managed to enable desktop effects for the first time. Nice!
[01:25] <Unxuxu> xtknight:  I have a .deb package for this adobe flash 9...  no md5sum check is needed... but I cant know where I could link .so to
[01:26] <xtknight> Unxuxu, you can put the .so in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[01:26] <xtknight> soundray, neat
[01:26] <soundray> xtknight: thanks again for your jockey hint
[01:26] <xtknight> yeah
[01:26] <Unxuxu> xtknight:  yeah... but the firefox does not run it from there.
[01:27] <xtknight> well i have no idea
[01:27] <sivel27> ok, how about this, how can i change my refresh a couple of points?
[01:27] <sivel27> ok, its GOOD!!!! i switched inputs
[01:28] <sivel27> thank you for all fo you help xtknight
[01:28] <xtknight> yeah
[01:28] <m1r> anyone tryed install adobe air ?
[01:28] <Unxuxu> xtknight:   how could I know what is this folder of my java plugin is running from?  I will put it there...  gotcha?
[01:28] <xtknight> what did you do again?
[01:28] <xtknight> Unxuxu, type about:config in firefox
[01:28] <xtknight> err
[01:28] <xtknight> about:plugins
[01:28] <sivel27> i simply switched from pc input to av and back again
[01:29] <sivel27> heh
[01:29] <xtknight> weird
[01:29] <sivel27> i do have one last question of you though
[01:30] <sivel27> its about compiz. in the advanced manager, i enabled the "cube" effect. but when i use the "cube", it looks more like a flat wall
[01:30] <xtknight> yeah?
[01:30] <Unxuxu> xtknight:  ok... Its got the filename... libjavaplugin_oji.so  nice... whats is the best way to search for it?    find? locate?
[01:30] <xtknight> sivel27, you need to enable more workspaces
[01:30] <xtknight> Unxuxu, sudo updatedb && locate libjavaplugin
[01:30] <Unxuxu> xtknight: tks
[01:30] <sivel27> in the advanced menu for effects?
[01:31] <xtknight> sivel27, it's near the trash icon, workspces
[01:32] <sivel27> how many?
[01:32] <xtknight> how many sides do you want your cube to have?
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> !upgrade
[01:32] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> !hardy
[01:33] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[01:33] <sivel27> so the same goes for the top and bottom?
[01:33] <xtknight> sivel27, what do you mean?
[01:33] <Luckrider> is there a place where I can upload pics for this chan
[01:34] <Luckrider> ?
[01:34] <xtknight> Luckrider, http://imageshack.us is a general site
[01:34] <Luckrider> ok
[01:34] <Luckrider> thanks
[01:34] <sivel27> the top and bottom of the cube are light blue
[01:34] <Luckrider> it thought there was like a pastebin for pics or something
[01:34] <xtknight> nah
[01:37] <Smegzor> xtknight: Here is my bug report..  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/214347
[01:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214347 in ubuntu "Cannot change wallpaper after showing/hiding desktop " [Undecided,New]
[01:37] <Luckrider> I got this when I tried updating my system
[01:37] <Luckrider> http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8553/screenshotsynapticerrorrk3.png
[01:37] <Smegzor> heh  thanks ubotu :)
[01:38] <Luckrider> lol, what would we do withput bots
[01:38] <Luckrider> *without
[01:39] <Luckrider> so... has anyone seen that error, is there any fixes
[01:39] <xtknight> Smegzor, i'll confirm it in a second
[01:39] <Luckrider> ?
[01:39] <Smegzor> thanks
[01:39] <xtknight> Smegzor, well at laest part of it.  i dont have the exact same problem
[01:40] <xtknight> Unxuxu, i've got a fix you can try in just a few minutes
[01:40] <Smegzor> yeah I realise that.  I wrote it from your perspective.  I didn't mention that I can't get the ability back at all.  I'm assuming I'm just unlucky (I'm usually right about that).
[01:40] <xtknight> hehe
[01:41] <Luckrider> so... has anyone looked at the synaptic error that I had, I can't add new apps because of it.
[01:42] <Unxuxu> xtknight: nice!
[01:43] <Unxuxu> xtknight: I will open right now my ffox... I install the plugin into /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins
[01:43] <Unxuxu> xtknight: lets check!
[01:44] <Smegzor> now that my bug report is done, I'll reboot and see if that helps (hey it works for Windows)
[01:44] <Unxuxu> xtknight:  goooooood!   Working!   I fix it!   damnnn brain!
[01:44] <Smegzor> 10 zillion sad users can't be wrong..  can they?
[01:46] <os2mac> what is the final release date?
[01:46] <Flannel> os2mac: 24th
[01:46] <Unxuxu> xtknight:    Where is the best place to post my solution!???  I think the community will be greatful!
[01:47] <Luckrider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62580/
[01:47] <Luckrider> has anyone gottent his problem with the most recent batch of updates?
[01:48] <xtknight> Unxuxu, um Bug 214341 i guess
[01:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214341 in flashplugin-nonfree "flash plugin md5sum outdated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214341
[01:48] <os2mac> Luckrider: yeah I am getting the same problem.
[01:49] <Luckrider> ok... so I am not the only ne
[01:49] <os2mac> if you go run synaptic you will also get a couple broken packages associated with it.
[01:49] <Luckrider> I am trying to install parallels, and can't now
[01:49] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:49] <os2mac> dunno know how to fix it yet.
[01:49] <Luckrider> it is some library
[01:49] <Luckrider> it is library for launchpad
[01:49] <Luckrider> stupid launchpad
[01:49] <Luckrider> !launchpad
[01:49] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[01:50] <Luckrider> so our bug tracker has a bu
[01:50] <Luckrider> *bug
[01:50] <Luckrider> oh, the irony
[01:51] <Luckrider> kde broke my box
[01:51] <Luckrider> oops
[01:51] <Luckrider> sorry wrong chan
[01:51] <iain> I'm having a problem with ark and kubuntu 8.04.  I'm trying to extract a .zip file and it keeps saying "could not write to the destination file".  Am I just doing something dumb here?
[01:51] <jaffarkelshac> how do you put wireless card in monitor mode
[01:53] <Smegzor> GRR!  Still can't change my wallpaper without icons.  Oh well, I'll just have to kill the icons the manual way
[01:53] <os2mac> iain, Sudo maybe? do you have rights to write to the directory?
[01:54] <iain> its in my home directory
[01:54] <os2mac> is it in a sub directory?
[01:54] <os2mac> that you created?
[01:54] <os2mac> did you set the permissions?
[01:55] <os2mac> or is extracting somewhere else you DON"T have perms to?
[01:58] <iain> permissions all look fine
[01:59] <os2mac> try doing it with sudo.
[01:59] <Luckrider> now,  can't update at all, there is a new updat that apreared a few seconds ago, and I can't install it
[01:59] <Luckrider> this stupid bug
[02:00] <Luckrider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62580/
[02:00] <Luckrider> and
[02:00] <Luckrider> http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8553/screenshotsynapticerrorrk3.png
[02:00] <Luckrider> does anyone have any ideas about how to fix synaptic?
[02:01] <os2mac> Luckrider: which repository are you pointing to?
[02:01] <Gilou> Luckrider> use aptitude update
[02:01] <Gilou> this dependency issue has been solved
[02:02] <Luckrider> ok, let me try aptitude
[02:02] <Gilou> er just click "check for updates" or so in the update manager
[02:02] <os2mac> Gilou if he is point to a mirror it may not have filtered down yet.. I am pointed to the main repository and I am fixed.
[02:03] <Gilou> yeah might be, might also be outdated package information
[02:03] <Luckrider> I am in Northern-Eastern US
[02:03] <Luckrider> so
[02:03] <Luckrider> it may be faster than some other places
[02:03] <Gilou> yeah, I guess it depends on the mirror you use, but try to update your Packages info first, then we'll play with your mirror list ;)
[02:03] <Luckrider> it is still updating in the terminal
[02:04] <Luckrider> ok
[02:04] <Luckrider> wait for a pastebin
[02:04] <Luckrider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62581/
[02:04] <Luckrider> there is the error I got from the update in terminal
[02:05] <Luckrider> oh
[02:05] <Luckrider> wait
[02:05] <DG19075> already doing the update download here
[02:05] <Luckrider> that was because I forgot that update manager is running
[02:05] <Luckrider> give me a sec
[02:05] <Gilou> yeah
[02:05] <Riskbreaker> hey boys i'm trying to compile something. see this thread.
[02:05] <Riskbreaker> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4669644
[02:05] <os2mac> Gilou: I switched to the main repository and that corrected the problem I don't think the US mirror has the changes yet.
[02:05] <Riskbreaker> there is a problem in the compilation
[02:05] <Riskbreaker> and they are saying to apply a patch
[02:05] <Riskbreaker> ....how do you do this?
[02:06] <Gilou> well, the good idea here would be to wait for the update
[02:06] <Gilou> instead of harassing the main servers :p
[02:06] <Gilou> Riskbreaker> patch -p0 < /path/to/file.diff
[02:06] <os2mac> and be patient... NEVER.. :) I are a linux user... Wait? do not want! :P
[02:06] <Riskbreaker> is pathtofile the  patch  or the object?
[02:07] <Gilou> the path to the patch file
[02:07] <yoandy> hi, my hardy doesnt detect my  bcm94311 wifi card, lspci show the card but is not detected at boot time, any clue?
[02:07]  * os2mac is in your repository downloading ur updates.
[02:07] <Gilou> !supported
[02:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about supported - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:07] <Luckrider> !hardware
[02:07] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[02:07] <Gilou> !thanks
[02:07] <Gilou> :)
[02:07] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[02:07] <Luckrider> that was better
[02:07] <Gilou> yeah
[02:07] <Luckrider> lol
[02:08] <Luckrider> I like ubotu
[02:08] <Gilou> :p
[02:08] <Luckrider> !hi
[02:08] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[02:08] <Luckrider> see
[02:08] <yoandy> Luckrider: no hard is for me?
[02:08] <Luckrider> what?
[02:09] <Riskbreaker> Gilou: i did  patch -p0 qc-usb-messenger-1.7-for-2.6.24.patch
[02:09] <Riskbreaker> and no response
[02:09] <Luckrider> yoandy, what are you talking about?
[02:09] <Riskbreaker> i dont have a command prompt either
[02:09] <Gilou> Riskbreaker> ok, just read once more what I typed
[02:09] <Gilou> :)
[02:09] <Riskbreaker> oh yeah
[02:09] <Riskbreaker> lol
[02:09] <Riskbreaker> sorry about that
[02:10] <Gilou> ^C will give you your prompt back
[02:10] <yoandy> Luckrider: forget about, i made a question, you said !hard and i though it was for me
[02:10] <Gilou> it was
[02:10] <Luckrider> oh
[02:10] <Luckrider> yeah
[02:10] <Luckrider> I saw hard and was confused
[02:10] <Riskbreaker> gilou: then in this case would i be patching the compile script?
[02:10] <Gilou> you'd be patching whatever the patch is patching :)
[02:11] <Riskbreaker> they don't really specify in the thread >,<
[02:11] <cyclonut> So folks, I need to be setting up a server in the next few days. I would like to do it on Hardy, as it has LTS, however, it is beta which means there may be some serious security vulnerabilities yet to come. What do you recommend I do?
[02:11] <Gilou> if it complains about not being able to find the files, try to increase the number of directory to strip  (-p1), it depends on how the patch was made
[02:11] <Gilou> you can edit the .diff file using a text editor
[02:12] <Gilou> it's "common" knowledge for people hacking code Riskbreaker, that's probably why it's not mentionned
[02:12] <Riskbreaker> yeah i figured
[02:12] <Gilou> cyclonut> install debian
[02:12]  * Gilou hides
[02:12] <Dr_willis> cyclonut,   wait a few days for it to get released?  It will be the next LTS  - so either go with the old LTS and upgrade in a few weeks.. or bite the beta bullet. and use it now.?
[02:12] <Luckrider> 16 days to be axact
[02:12] <Gilou> advice about ubuntu would be to use the beta for a few days
[02:12] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: thing is, I've got a timeline, I need it set up nowish
[02:13] <Luckrider> *exact
[02:13] <cyclonut> what is the security risk behind Hardy?
[02:13] <Dr_willis> cyclonut,  well willyou get fired if it screws up. :) or just yelled at..
[02:13] <cyclonut> or rather, how extreme is it
[02:13] <Gilou> set it up using the beta, and put your balls on the table
[02:13] <Dr_willis> I doube if thers much of a security risk.
[02:13] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: just yelled at ;) oh, and my university might sue me :-P
[02:13] <Gilou> it's based on a 2.6.24 kernel, so your main problem will be that
[02:13] <yoandy> so, any hints plz, why my broadcom card is not detected at boot time?
[02:13] <Luckrider> Dr_willis, the beta is very stable as long as you can update daily
[02:13] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: basically, I got a grant to provide Ruby/Rails hosting for students here
[02:14] <Dr_willis> but who knows . 4 days after its actually released ther MIGHT be some huge security issus pop up.. then again,  the old LTS may have some security issue show up also..
[02:14] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: I am in charge of setting up the server
[02:14]  * cyclonut is not a sysadmin
[02:14] <Luckrider> true
[02:14] <Gilou> cyclonut> give half of your grant to a sysadmin :p
[02:14]  * os2mac os2mac is
[02:14]  * Gilou is too
[02:14] <Luckrider> but still, I have found Ubuntu to be the most secure
[02:14] <Dr_willis> I would go with the beta then. :)
[02:14] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: okay, advice taken :)
[02:14] <Dr_willis> but its YOUR decision. :)
[02:15] <Luckrider> os2mac, so is that how you got me a pm?
[02:15]  * cyclonut expects intrusion log to show a "dr_willis" hitting server an inordinate number of times
[02:15] <Dr_willis> and youa re asking this in the beta channel.. so what other answer doyou expect.
[02:15] <cyclonut> Gilou: lol
[02:15] <os2mac> Luckrider: nope just have a registered nick
[02:15] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: truth. Thing is, I run Hardy without any trouble on my lappy
[02:15] <Luckrider> oh
[02:15] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: so I am partial too :-P
[02:15] <Luckrider> well... I just registered a minute ago
[02:15] <DG19075> Outside of the bugs, I've found HH very stable. Same goes for 7.04 and 7.10.
[02:15] <os2mac> Luckrider: well there you go.
[02:15] <Luckrider> but.. I have tried pm before registering weeks ago, that is why it didn't work
[02:16] <Luckrider> lol, so strange
[02:16] <AngryBacon> Need help with nvidia drivers, see:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4680700
[02:16]  * cyclonut hopes real sysadmin doesnt bring down the wrath of 1000 gods upon him
[02:16] <Luckrider> lol
[02:17]  * Luckrider opes to contibute for many years to come, and be promoted ot sysadmin
[02:17] <Luckrider> *hopes
[02:17] <Luckrider> *to
[02:17] <DG19075> ll the Ubuntu zversions I've run have been anvil-solid. Some of the audio apps are better than the Windows equivs!
[02:17] <cyclonut> luckrider: with that typing, you'll be rm -rf'ing your way to victory in no time
[02:17] <Luckrider> lol
[02:17] <os2mac> Luckrider: dunno if I would consider getting the title sysadmin a promotion.
[02:18] <Luckrider> oh well
[02:18] <os2mac> of course I are one.
[02:18] <Luckrider> no pay
[02:18] <Luckrider> lol
[02:18] <Luckrider> "I are one"
[02:18] <cyclonut> :-P
[02:18] <Gilou> I HAS ROOT
[02:18] <Luckrider> sos do Is
[02:18] <Luckrider> I has root no caps
[02:18] <os2mac> gave that shirt to one of the girls I work with... not realizing the double endendre.
[02:18] <Luckrider> see
[02:19] <Dr_willis> and we are impressed by this?
[02:19] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:19] <Luckrider> lol
[02:19] <Dr_willis> heh
[02:19] <DG19075> rofl
[02:19] <Luckrider> I want to get some of those fancy linux shirts
[02:19] <Dr_willis> My wife has a Tshirt with '404' on it. :)
[02:19] <Luckrider> of course, I have no internets monies
[02:19] <Luckrider> lol
[02:19] <Luckrider> I like that
[02:20] <Luckrider> I also like the shirt that says "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates"
[02:20] <woodwizzle> nexuiz
[02:20] <woodwizzle> #nexuiz
[02:20] <woodwizzle> oops
[02:20] <woodwizzle> my bad
[02:20] <DG19075> would love a shirt with Tux on it, saying,,Linux Rules
[02:20] <Luckrider> exactly
[02:20] <Luckrider> I love geek shirts
[02:20] <diefordethklok> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400236, would this tutorial work on hardy?
[02:20] <Luckrider> my freind has about 50 of them
[02:21] <Luckrider> most tututials do
[02:21]  * AngryBacon is wearing a shrodinger,s cat shirt
[02:21] <Luckrider> what version is it?
[02:21] <DG19075> but I wouldn't have Tux all crosseyed as I've seen him lately
[02:21] <diefordethklok> wusb64gc
[02:21] <Luckrider> no...
[02:21] <Luckrider> what version of Ubuntu
[02:21] <Luckrider> ?
[02:21] <diefordethklok> wusb54gc*
[02:21] <os2mac> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/itdepartment/5d6a/
[02:21] <diefordethklok> Oh, 8.04 is what i am gooing to be using
[02:22] <Luckrider> that is a great place for geek shirts
[02:22] <Luckrider> no... what version is the guide for?
[02:22] <diefordethklok> Idk
[02:22] <Dr_willis> Luckrider,  yep. Me and my wife have a lot of matching geek-tee shirts
[02:22] <Luckrider> oh
[02:22] <Luckrider> that is cool
[02:22] <Dr_willis> "All Your Base" and "Loading" and "404" :)
[02:22] <Luckrider> dieforthklok, just try it
[02:22] <Luckrider> if it doesn't work
[02:22] <diefordethklok> I did it on 7.10, it worked better than the windows drivers :)
[02:22] <Luckrider> then look again
[02:22] <Riskbreaker> hey gilou
[02:23] <os2mac> I am also a DBA.... http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/itdepartment/595d/
[02:23] <Luckrider> then it should work for Hardy
[02:23] <diefordethklok> Okay
[02:23] <diefordethklok> I love jinx for geek shirts :)
[02:23] <Riskbreaker> it says it couldn't find the file at line 3
[02:23] <Riskbreaker> this is line 3: @@ -3657,8 +3657,13 @@
[02:23] <Gilou> as I said..
  if it complains about not being able to find the files, try to increase the number of directory to strip  (-p1), it depends on how the patch was made
[02:24] <Riskbreaker> yeah i just wanna know if i should  even bother because that doesn't look to me like it references a file
[02:24] <Gilou> yeah but line 3 was after the meta information about the diff file
[02:24] <Gilou> (probably, not sure, but it looks like it ;))
[02:24] <Riskbreaker> meaning
[02:25] <Riskbreaker> p1 it is then?
[02:25] <Gilou> might be..
[02:25] <Riskbreaker> seems like it worked.
[02:29] <starscalling> @_@
[02:29] <Pelo> evening folks
[02:29] <derspankster> anyone using a FreeNAS server with Hardy?
[02:30] <woodwizzle> anyone else having trouble with liblaunchpad-integration1 not installing properly?
[02:31] <Luckrider> mine was doing it
[02:31] <Luckrider> just wait for the next update
[02:31] <Luckrider> that fixes it
[02:31] <virtuald> woodwizzle: i did have that problem, aptitude dist-upgrade fixed it
[02:33] <diefordethklok> Is the rt73 support going to be improved by the final release of hardy?
[02:33] <diefordethklok> This is painfully slow :S
[02:34] <Gilou> you can try to use it from the rtxx site
[02:35] <Gilou> last time a friend of mine needed something for a rt73 chipset, I had to get him a 2.6.24 kernel, so now that ubuntu uses such a kernel, it will probably work
[02:36] <diefordethklok> Okay.
[02:36] <Pelo> how stable is the beta ? I don'T usualy do betas but I'm a bit bored I'm considering it
[02:37] <diefordethklok> The beta is fine for me
[02:37] <derspankster> Pelo: running well here
[02:37] <diefordethklok> I haven't ran into any major problems here
[02:37] <Pelo> ok how would I go about getting it ?
[02:38] <derspankster> Pelo: you may miss some of your Firefox extension with Firefox 3 B5
[02:39] <Pelo> derspankster, I only have addblock plus and the one to stop things from autostaring , no biggy
[02:39] <diefordethklok> Click on the countdown thing on the homepage
[02:40] <diefordethklok> It'll tell you how
[02:40] <DG19075> Beta is running nicely here
[02:40] <Pelo> can I upgrade from a cd or just online ?
[02:41] <Dr_willis> Pelo,  any cd will proberly be a bit out of date.
[02:41] <Luckrider> I upgraded from CD
[02:41] <Luckrider> use the cd, then just update
[02:41] <diefordethklok> Live cd installation complete :)
[02:41] <derspankster> I did the online upgrade - went well
[02:41] <DG19075> nline upgrade works here too
[02:42] <DG19075> Online*
[02:42] <Pelo> I'll try online , hopefully it will be faster then when I tried the official upgrade way back when
[02:42] <diefordethklok> on a side note, does automatix have a hardy edition?
[02:42] <Pelo> diefordethklok, automatix is no more
[02:42] <diefordethklok> ?
[02:42] <derspankster> I'm not upgrading my desktop until final because I want to do a complete reinstall. Got a lot to get rid of and clean the slate.
[02:43] <diefordethklok> wow
[02:43] <diefordethklok> :(
[02:43] <derspankster> don't need it
[02:43] <Pelo> diefordethklok,  there was an article on diggs about it a few weeks ago,  hardy includes sufficent support for the usual automatrix stuff that they won't do it anymore
[02:43]  * Gilou will probably upgrade all his ubuntu boxes to 8.04, then stay on it for a while
[02:44] <Gilou> LTS has that effect on me
[02:44] <Gilou> :)
[02:44] <derspankster> Gilou: agreed
[02:44]  * Luckrider will stay with 8.04 until 8.10 comes out
[02:44] <diefordethklok> I haven't read digg in a while ...
[02:45] <DG19075> 8.10=Intrepid Ibex, osomething like that?
[02:45] <diefordethklok> Guess I should start :P
[02:45] <Gilou> actually, as always, it will depend on the new toys 8.10 brings :)
[02:45]  * Pelo might skip  intrepid ibex just because of the name 
[02:46] <derspankster> I wonder what version of FF will ship with 8.04 final??
[02:46] <DG19075> good question
[02:46] <jbroome> derspankster: i dunno, it keeps me up at nights
[02:46] <derspankster> jbroome: really?
[02:47] <DG19075> is till trying to figure out what kind of creature the eft in Edgy Eft was...
[02:48] <RAOF> A salamander.
[02:48] <DG19075> :P
[02:48] <DG19075> Trying to go after the SuSE chameleon, as it?
[02:49] <DG19075> Tried SuSE 10.0 , but couldn't handle a lizard on the desktop
[02:50] <derspankster> tried other distros over the years but have stayed with Ubuntu for a while now.
[02:51] <nomasteryoda> the rpm distros are slower imho
[02:51] <Pelo> thanks for the info folks,  see you later
[02:52] <DG19075> Same here..with SuSE, Debian, Fedora, and Puppy, but the Big U wins in a rout
[02:52] <derspankster> jbroome: Firefox 3 final isn't due until mid June I think. Wouldn't think Hardy would ship with a Beta or
[02:52] <derspankster> sorry - or a RC
[02:53] <DG19075> and then an easy upgrade to final online I bet
[02:53] <derspankster> possibly
[02:58] <pen> Anyone know how to speed up Firefox scrolling speed?
[02:59] <derspankster> pen: do you have smooth scrolling enabled?
[02:59] <pen> derspankster: no, but the scrolling is not responsive
[03:00] <pen> derspankster: even the menu is delayed
[03:00] <derspankster> pen: Hmmm, I know that having smooth scrolling enabled slows it down on my box
[03:01] <derspankster> pen: what version?
[03:01] <pen> derspankster: Firefox b5
[03:02] <derspankster> pen: same as I am. No issue here. When was your last upgrade?
[03:02] <pen> today
[03:02] <pen> didn't you have one too?
[03:02] <pen> the 150mb one
[03:03] <pen> I don't understand why epiphany is so fast while firefox is so slow even I use safe mode
[03:03] <derspankster> always been a problem with B5?
[03:03] <pen> I don't know
[03:03] <pen> FF3 is slow in the betas
[03:04] <pen> is there a tweak to make it back like FF2?
[03:04] <DarkMageZ> you can install firefox 2 from the repositories
[03:04] <derspankster> not for me, actually more responsive than 2
[03:05] <derspankster> I am running both
[03:05] <DarkMageZ> i'm sure there are gonna be some small corner cases where firefox 3 is worse than firefox 2... hopefully they will be found and removed before launch.
[03:05] <pen> DarkMageZ: FF2 is already installed, but I think I like the new engine.
[03:05] <pen> the new gecko
[03:05] <pen> it renders better I think
[03:06] <Dr_willis> i just noticed that i installed ff2, and i run firefox-2 and it runs firefox 3-b5 L:)
[03:06] <Dr_willis> anyone else noticed this
[03:06] <Dr_willis> well bbl ya all.
[03:07] <pen> lol
[03:07] <pen> well
[03:07] <pen> no other tweak?
[03:07] <pen> maybe chrome
[03:07] <DarkMageZ> ... wow... that was very hit & run... i had the answer to his question as well.
[03:07] <pen> or something in about:config?
[03:07] <pen> DarkMageZ: ya
[03:07] <pen> DarkMageZ: he is in the hurry maybe
[03:08] <pen> oh no
[03:08] <DarkMageZ> lol, you don't ask questions when you've only got 10 seconds left
[03:08] <pen> it's also slow in FF2
[03:08] <pen> DarkMageZ: lol
[03:08] <pen> DarkMageZ: maybe you are right
[03:08] <DarkMageZ> pen, did you do anything retarded to your xorg.conf recently?
[03:08] <pen> what should I do now?
[03:08] <pen> oh
[03:08] <pen> I add something
[03:09] <pen> according to other people, the options should speed up FF3
[03:09] <pen> but they don't
[03:09] <pen> however, it worked
[03:09] <DarkMageZ> what is it that you added?
[03:09] <pen> before I change my nvidia powermizer to 2
[03:09] <pen> ok
[03:10] <pen> http://rafb.net/p/c7RRPX22.html
[03:11] <DarkMageZ> you added that entire chunk or that's your current chunk?
[03:12] <pen> that's it
[03:12] <pen> some are comment out
[03:12] <DarkMageZ> comment out 2,4 & 8 and see how that goes for you
[03:14] <yoandy> im reporting a bug cause my broadcom card its no working, if my wifi card its shown at lspci but its driver is not loaded at boot time, its right to say its not detected?
[03:15] <pen> DarkMageZ: k, brb
[03:15] <RAOF> yoandy: Yes.  However; have you run System->Administration->Hardware Drivers?  IIRC broadcom requires non-free firmware before it works.
[03:18] <pen> DarkMageZ: hey
[03:18] <pen> DarkMageZ: back to normal speed
[03:18] <pen> thx
[03:18] <pen> DarkMageZ: but can you tell me why?
[03:18] <pen> DarkMageZ: why that three?
[03:19]  * icanhasadmin prays this update doesn't crash like the last 2
[03:20] <decay> could someone tell me where the nvidia control panel is?
[03:20] <DarkMageZ> pen, i don't recall EXA being fully supported by nvidia. which could cause serious slowdowns ッ 2 & 4 there. 8 because the triple buffering could have also caused it.
[03:20] <Gilou> nvidia-config? :)
[03:20] <pen> decay: you have to install nvidia-settings first
[03:20] <pen> oops
[03:20] <pen> config maybe
[03:20] <pen> lol
[03:21] <Gilou> ah
[03:21] <Gilou> xconfig
[03:21] <pen> DarkMageZ: I thought EXA is newer
[03:21] <Gilou> nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-settings
[03:21] <Gilou> :)
[03:21] <DarkMageZ> pen, yes. you're right there. but the driver has to support exa's features completely or you lose serious performance.
[03:21] <decay> Gilou: pen: thank you
[03:21] <Gilou> ah I'm mistaken, nvidia-xconfig might only be to add the module information in the X11 conf
[03:21] <RAOF> nvidia don't support EXA or XXA.  They use their own RenderAccel acceleration thingy.
[03:21] <yoandy> RAOF, there's (i have) no bradcom driver option at "hardware drivers", anyway i followed instructions at http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 and still no luck, my card is not detected at boot time (i state this cause there is no trace from driver being loades at dmesg)
[03:22] <Gilou> so pen was right
[03:22] <pen> DarkMageZ: got the exa part, but then why triple buffer would slow down FF?
[03:22] <pen> Gilou: :)
[03:22] <yoandy> *loaded
[03:22] <pen> Gilou: you have to install that first then run that in either command or under System-Administration-NVIDIA X server information
[03:23] <RAOF> RenderAccel is crap at a couple of things, which is why nouveau is faster at 2d (on my card at least).
[03:23] <pen> RAOF: I see
[03:23] <pen> RAOF: then how about triple buffering?
[03:24] <RAOF> Dunno.  That increases the latency between rendering and display (of 3D), but I can't see offhand why it'd slow down 2d.
[03:24] <pen> RAOF: so do I need to comment out the RenderAccel too?
[03:25] <RAOF> No, because that'd disable *all* 2D acceleration, and RenderAccel _is_ better than nothing (EXA was, until recently, worse than nothing in some situations).
[03:26] <jaffarkelshac> how do i find out if my wifi card can be set to monitor mode
[03:26] <DarkMageZ> pen, you can try adding the triple buffer back if you want. i was just wiping out some potential causes.
[03:26] <pen> DarkMageZ: I see
[03:26] <pen> nevertheless, thx for the help
[03:26] <tale_> I have some nfs mounts that are automatically mounted via /etc/fstab.  When I login with Hardy they are mounted, icons are placed on the desktop, and nautilus windows are opened for each share.  Is there a way that I can make it not open the nautilus windows?
[03:27] <yoandy> ops, lost connection!
[03:27] <yoandy> RAOF, did you said something about my broadcom :)
[03:28] <RAOF> yoandy: No; you seemed to have covered all the bases.  Bug filing time (search first - it's probably been reported already).
[03:28] <yoandy> RAOF, ok thanks!
[03:30] <Pelo> evening again folks
[03:30] <Pelo> what kind of speeds have you all been getting for the online upgrade ? I hover between 50k and 150, it's a bit disappointing
[03:31] <tale_> anybody else annoyed by the behavior of nfs mounts?
[03:33] <Sergeant_Pony> now that I have my sound working 100%. I can work on getting my wireless working :)
[03:34] <thelsdj> Anyone know if theres known issues with firefox beta5 crashing a lot?
[03:34] <icanhasadmin> thelsdj: indeed yes
[03:35] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: what wifi card?
[03:35] <tale_> yes, firefox crashes a lot on flash sites for me
[03:35] <thelsdj> for me its crashing basically idle, also freezing up a lot (goes grey) when i'm not even using any dynamic sites or loading any pages, just reading a static page
[03:36] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin: let me check it's an AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter
[03:37] <tale_> I'm really surprised that the beta isn't a little more stable.
[03:37] <tale_> I'm also seeing an issue where my "network bookmarks" disappear.
[03:38] <tale_> I can create a launcher to connect to a server and it disappears after a reboot
[03:38] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin: I'm assuming it's a driver issue...
[03:38] <tale_> anybody else seeing this behavior?
[03:39] <Sergeant_Pony> tale_ I use "connect to server"
[03:39] <tale_> do your bookmarks disappear?
[03:40] <tale_> they changed the options for the connect to server dialog
[03:40] <Sergeant_Pony> tale_ I dunno... don't save bookmarks for connecting to different servers
[03:40] <tale_> so now it contains a create bookmark checkbox and it allows you to specify the name
[03:40] <tale_> it will create an icon on your desktop and put a bookmark on the left in nautilus
[03:41] <tale_> the only problem is that they aren't persistant like they were in gutsy
[03:41] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: heh, there's 1 way to fix it, and it's not fun.
[03:41] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin oh?
[03:42] <akk> gah, why doesn't hardy resume from hibernate?
[03:43] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: just had to do it myself ona n acer. there's a patch from a link on madwifi.org's compatibility page. the AR242x is actually the ar5007. problem is the patched drivers can screw with HAL and stop you from booting properly if it's incompatible with your kernel version
[03:43] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin so I need to see what kernel I'm running? and make sure it's compatible
[03:45] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: in other words, i got it to work on 1 box after having to reinstall twice, and there's not enough documentation to say for sure what it's compatible with and what it isn't. i can tell you if you use HAL and -16 it may crash horribly
[03:45] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin: I'm running this kernel- 2.6.24-15-generic (#1 SMP Tue Apr 8 00:33:51 UTC 2008)
[03:45] <Sergeant_Pony> I do have hal installed under restricted drivers
[03:46] <Sergeant_Pony> and it is in use (activated)
[03:46] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: there's a pretty good chance it'll work. I mean i know for a FACT the wifi will work the second you install them and load ath_pci, but as i said.. may bork your install. can't promise anything.
[03:47] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: but i'll get you the link if you like
[03:47] <IamReck> He all I was just having a little problem with System Monitor in Ubuntu 8.04 Beta
[03:47] <IamReck> Whenever I go to the resource tab, it takes up my CPU to %100 percent
[03:47] <Sergeant_Pony> hmmm... it would be nice to be able to use it... I guess I will have to go for it and hope for the best ;)
[03:48] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: yeah, just whatever you did you get your audio working, make sure it's backed up or you can do it again
[03:48] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin: I knowwhat I did so I can recreate it if necessary
[03:48] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: ok, gimme 1 sec. i'm running a package manager so i'm a bit laggy
[03:49] <Sergeant_Pony> I'll be heading home in about 10 minutes, I'm at work. But I will be back on when I get home.
[03:49] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: ok, i'm not going to be here probabaly. maybe i can point you to the right page to get the link?
[03:50] <Sergeant_Pony> ok, sure
[03:50] <IamReck> Anyone else having the same problem?
[03:51] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: actually, i found a nice little guide: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/atheros-5007eg-with-madwifi-on-i386-platform.html
[03:51] <Sergeant_Pony> cool, thanks
[03:53] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: in your Hardware Drivers, do you only have HAL or you have something else that involves your wifi card?
[03:54] <Sergeant_Pony> I have another for wifi and I will have to disable that?
[03:54] <FliesLikeABrick> if I told gnome to rotate my display under System->Preferences->Screen Resolution, what file is that option saved in?  I changed it, nothing shows up right, and I need to manually revert the change
[03:55] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: you'll have to yes. also you should sudo rmmod ath_pci before you make install on the new ones
[03:55] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin: ok...
[03:55] <Sergeant_Pony> be back in a bit
[03:56] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: ok, make yourself familiar with ifconfig and iwconfig, you'll need it. also possibly even wlanconfig.
[03:56] <Sergeant_Pony> ok, thanks.. I'll be back
[03:56] <icanhasadmin> kk
[04:01] <r00723r0> Why are desktop effects not loading?
[04:02] <pleaseandthankyo> is there a good diet softwares? like for a diabetes guy or a healthy living diet software for person who has heart d eases?
[04:06] <icanhasadmin> pleaseandthankyo: i'm very sorry.. but maybe #defocus ?
[04:07] <rpedro_> pleaseandthankyo: a quick google search found this article http://www.linux.com/articles/51606
[04:09] <pawan> when is the new version coming out
[04:09] <icanhasadmin> pawan: april 24th?
[04:09] <DanaG> wtf?  openoffice is dark and greyscale.
[04:10] <r00723r0> Does anyone know why desktop effects might not work?
[04:10] <r00723r0> I have an nVidia 7600GT with latest drivers installed through Synaptic.
[04:13] <icanhasadmin> r00723r0: could be 100 reasons. i suggest #compiz-fusion if no one is around here
[04:13] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: Calc broke it. I saw him do it.
[04:19] <DanaG> Huh? I think I missed the joke there.
[04:22] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: you know calc... he manages the OOo package... he's right there *points*
[04:24] <x1250> Any where I can find a hardy nightly build iso?
[04:24] <jbroome> !nightly | x1250
[04:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nightly - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:24] <jbroome> doh
[04:24] <x1250> bu
[04:26] <sivel27> hello again
[04:26] <dapiz987> my ubuntu system will not detect my windows samba shared printer (im on 8.04) can anyone help me?
[04:27] <dapiz987> my windows pcs detect it fine
[04:27] <sivel27> i cant seem to fix this problem when using apt
[04:27] <sivel27> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:27] <sivel27>  /var/cache/apt/archives/liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.18_i386.deb
[04:28] <sivel27> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:28] <dapiz987> can anyone help me with that?
[04:29] <mheath> sivel27: Were you running apt-get from the command line?
[04:29] <virtuald> sivel27: dist-upgrade worked for me
[04:29] <virtuald> but that was aptitude dist-upgrade
[04:29] <sivel27> yes
[04:29] <mheath> sivel27: Do an apt-get update, then retry it
[04:30] <mheath> You might have to do an apt-get -f install
[04:30] <icanhasadmin> i second mheath
[04:30] <mheath> I was having problems with that package earlier in the night, too, but it seems that it was fixed by a package released just barely.
[04:30] <sivel27> ok, im trying noe
[04:30] <sivel27> now
[04:32] <sivel27> well, a little updateing left to go, but so far it looks to be working, thanks everyone
[04:38] <DanaG> !aptitude
[04:38] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[04:38] <DanaG> I likey Aptitude.
[04:42] <iMatter> meh...
[04:42] <robc4> has anyone used the .xml wallpaper feature yet?
[04:42] <moj0rising> I haven't.
[04:42] <T1m0thy> What is it? o.o
[04:43] <robc4> I thought it was supposed to be in gnome 2.20
[04:43] <robc4> you can drag an .xml file into the wallpaper section and if its set right, it auto changes the wallpaper at set times
[04:43] <robc4> like fedora 8 did
[04:43] <robc4> with infinity
[04:43] <moj0rising> neat.
[04:43] <moj0rising> I use KDE so I don't know much about that.
[04:43] <robc4> however, its not working yet
[04:44] <moj0rising> Does anyone here know how I might remove the restricted braodcom wifi driver via the command line?
[04:44] <moj0rising> after upgrading to hardy...
[04:44] <moj0rising> ...I get an error, "b43-phy0 error: you must go to http://linuxwireless.org"
[04:44] <moj0rising> and x won't load.
[04:44] <DanaG> I want that wallpaper feature, too!
[04:44] <pen> ?
[04:44] <DanaG> It may seem like a small feature, but it can be beautiful if done correctly.
[04:44] <pen> what feature
[04:44] <moj0rising> I'm hoping removing the driver will bring x back.
[04:45] <robc4> I suggested it 4 or 5 months ago, but it doesnt seem its in there yet
[04:45] <DanaG> Where's the suggestion?  I'd like to comment on it.
[04:45] <pen> Anyone know how to get ZSNES sound quality back?
[04:45] <robc4> Marain from Fedora explained how it works in an interview back in october or something
[04:45] <robc4> let me get it
[04:46] <robc4> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=612561
[04:47] <DanaG> Aah.  It's not a bug-report or a Launchpad blueprint, then.
[04:47] <virtuald> moj0rising: sudo rmmod driver-name from the console
[04:47] <robc4> no, I have no clue how to get this to the devels
[04:47] <robc4> there is too many ways
[04:47] <robc4> *are
[04:47] <robc4> it would probably take them 5 minutes :)
[04:48] <Pirate_Hunter> hello finally using hardy but whats going on with my resolution, I want it either 1024x980 or higher, how can i do this?
[04:48] <DanaG> Imagine seeing a landscape change over the day.... it'd be awesome.
[04:49] <robc4> yea, that is what they did
[04:49] <DanaG> I've tried applying the patch to Ubuntu, but it didn't apply.
[04:49] <DanaG> Oh, and while they're at it, they should add support for ARGB.
[04:49] <robc4> they have an .xml file for the infinity wallpaper that changes every hour all day
[04:49] <robc4> its a set of 24 wallpapers
[04:49] <robc4> the blue changes to black and then light green in the morning
[04:49] <DanaG> Actually, it's just 4 images; it blends them on the fly.
[04:49] <robc4> Mairain posted a link with 24 images
[04:50] <DanaG> ﻿Instead of doing an "allow other apps to pain wallpaper", you could just set the Gnome wallpaper to transparent to use the Compiz wallpaper plugin.
[04:50] <robc4> hmm
[04:50] <DanaG> But I want (both!) features!
[04:50] <DanaG> ARGB and slideshow.
[04:50] <robc4> so is the best way to create a launchpad blueprint?
[04:50] <Pirate_Hunter> hmmm can someone help me get resolution working plz, it seems i can only go up to 920x... which is absurd, plz some help?
[04:51] <robc4> I dont want to go into ubuntu-devel and throw it at them
[04:51] <DanaG> Or a wishlist bugreport.
[04:51] <DanaG> !blueprint
[04:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blueprint - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:51] <DanaG> !launchpad
[04:51] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[04:51] <DanaG> I'm not sure how to do blueprints, myself.
[04:54] <robc4> I am afraid I will mess everything up
[04:54] <robc4> lol
[04:56] <DanaG> Oh, I've wished for that feature for quite a while, since I first discovered it.
[04:56] <brandi_> virtuald: Thanks!
[04:56] <robc4> well bump it up on the forums
[04:56] <robc4> lol
[04:56] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone help me get resolution on hardy higher than 920x.... as I find that absurd?
[04:57] <robc4> --dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:57] <robc4> are you familiar with the terminal?
[04:57] <os2mac> yes
[04:57] <brandi_> virtuald: Silly question. Can you tell me how I tell what the driver name is to remove?
[04:58] <EdLin> Pirate_Hunter, if robc4's advice doesn't work, try editing xorg.conf using information from the Gentoo wiki. I had to do that for my Acer AL2216W. Now I get 1680x1050 - its native res.
[04:58] <DanaG> dpkg-reconfigure doesn't help anymore.
[04:58] <virtuald> brandi_: do an lsmod and try to find it there
[04:59] <virtuald> brandi_: lsmod|more
[04:59] <Pirate_Hunter> robc4, EdLin: what i dont understand is why the screen setting mostly found in administrator has been removed its like on every release the developers do something outrages :\
[04:59] <brandi_> thanks again, virtuald. Giving that a go.
[04:59] <virtuald> no problem
[04:59] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: you try that thing?
[05:00] <EdLin> Pirate_Hunter, I've filed a bug, hopefully the developers will get the message. Else #ubuntu will be even more busy. ;-)
[05:00] <pen> Anyone know how to get ZSNES sound quality back?
[05:00] <Pirate_Hunter> EdLin: can you post me the Gentoo link you used?
[05:01] <brandi_> Darn. I don't see anything that looks like it might have anything to do with this driver.
[05:01] <brandi_> in lsmod
[05:01] <Pirate_Hunter> EdLin: yeah most likely but i wanted to use hardy as i reformated my disks
[05:01] <EdLin> Pirate_Hunter, I don't remember. Put the name of your monitor into the gentoo wiki's search I assume will make it show up.
[05:02] <EdLin> or use site:gentoo.org somesang foobar 2112 (assuming that's the name of your monitor) and see what google turns up.
[05:02] <brandi_> ah. Well. I do see information on the wifi in lspci
[05:02] <EdLin> if you have the same monitor as me, I can share my xorg.conf.
[05:03] <brandi_> but not sure how that might help me remove the driver.
[05:03] <Pirate_Hunter> EdLin: ok thanx I cant believe im upset already with hardy and it doesnt recognise the command --dpkg-reconfigure :/ im very cross considering its 5.03 in the mourn :\
[05:03] <EdLin> no dashes, just dpkg-reconfigure
[05:03] <robc4> yea,  Igot the dashes wrong
[05:03] <EdLin> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[05:04] <icanhasadmin> EdLin: does that still work in Hardy?
[05:04] <EdLin> not for me
[05:05]  * DanaG uses a manual xorg.conf.
[05:05]  * EdLin does too, but hopes that this will be fixed for people who can't handle the command line
[05:05] <akk> I discovered yesterday that I can cp /dev/null /etc/X11/xorg.conf, restart X and it still works
[05:06] <akk> who needs xorg.conf?
[05:06] <akk> :)
[05:06] <starscalling> arg
[05:06] <EdLin> my monitor would only go up to 640x480 without a manually edited xorg.conf
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> akk, lol
[05:06] <EdLin> believe me, that's bad.
[05:06] <DG19075> eww
[05:07] <akk> EdLin: I'm still looking for a decent reference on overriding whatever stupidly low resolution the monitor requests
[05:07]  * DanaG needs one.
[05:07] <EdLin> well, eventually I managed 800x600, until I disabled safe mode
[05:07] <DanaG> Can't tweak touchpad without it.
[05:07] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[05:07] <Pirate_Hunter> EdLin: dpkg works here
[05:07] <DanaG> Look at all the nifty stuff you can do.
[05:07] <akk> yeah, I ended up having one anyway so I can set my capslock key to be ctrl
[05:07] <EdLin> Pirate_Hunter, great!
[05:07] <Mit> Hi I can't seem to find any reference to this issue in launchpad or the ubuntu forums... but after upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 alpha
[05:07] <Mit> I can mount my cdrom drive
[05:07] <akk> and if I wanted to enable the synaptics driver, I'd need it for that (but it's so buggy anyway)
[05:07] <Pirate_Hunter> icanhasadmin: dpkg works here for me but than im still on keyboard options and i want resolution
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> DanaG, true... xorg is required for the touchpad and wacom tweaks
[05:07] <Mit> * I can't mount my cdrom
[05:08] <Mit> when ever I issue the cmd mount /media/cdrom
[05:08] <DanaG> And you can't hotplug Synaptics.
[05:08] <DanaG> Synaptics isn't buggy for me.
[05:09] <akk> yeah, I think it's only buggy because I have an Alps trackpad
[05:09] <Mit> this is the error I get:
[05:09] <Mit> mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[05:09] <Mit> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0,
[05:09] <Mit>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[05:09] <Mit>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[05:09] <Mit>        dmesg | tail  or so
[05:09] <akk> it does lots of weird little things, like whenever i resume from suspend it sends a spurious right-click so I come back to a posted context menu
[05:10] <akk> and it disables the sonypi driver
[05:10] <Pirate_Hunter> EdLin, icanhasadmin: nope just allows keyboard setting AHHHH to early in the mourn to be using my brain.... well going to sleep and wake up in around 21 min :D
[05:10] <DanaG> Aah.
[05:10] <DanaG> Alps sucks.
[05:10] <icanhasadmin> lol
[05:10] <icanhasadmin> Hardy is making a lot of very tired smart people world 'round :D
[05:10] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone tell Mit to use pastebin
[05:10] <Mit> what is pastebin?
[05:10] <Pirate_Hunter> !pastebin | Mit
[05:10] <ubotu> Mit: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[05:10] <DanaG> One of my friends has a laptop that only detects alps touchpad after a second unload and load of psmouse.
[05:12] <akk> The only reason I wanted the synaptics driver is to disable tapping=left click
[05:12] <Mit> so how do I use Pastebin? do I just paste my message into there?
[05:12] <Mit> sorry I've never been in this channel
[05:12] <akk> 'cause the normal mouse driver has gotten really sensitive about that (used to be much better)
[05:12] <Mit> I've usually been able to find work aroudnds
[05:12] <omar_> Guys, some of the python based applications don't work with me, maybe because I tried to install the latest alpha version of python. can anyone help?
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> Mit, its ok... happens to everyone
[05:13] <x1250> Mit, yes, just paste it there and you'll have a link to you post, and you can show us that link...
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> just paste your contents into pastebin and let us see the url to it
[05:13] <i2c4u> how can there is no i2c-isa.ko module on hardy (beta)? is it supposed to be that way?
[05:14] <EnderTheThird> Anyone know a fix to npviewer crashing all the time in Firefox 3 Beta 5?  I'm not sure if it's a Hardy problem or not, but I do know that I never had so many Flash crashes in Gutsy.
[05:15] <Mit> here is the url:
[05:15] <Mit> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62599/
[05:17] <DanaG> Flash in Firefox 3:
[05:17] <DanaG> ﻿*segfault* ﻿*segfault* ﻿*segfault* ﻿*segfault* ﻿*segfault* ﻿*segfault* ﻿*segfault* ﻿*segfault*
[05:18] <DanaG> Lovel.y
[05:18] <DanaG> Lovely.
[05:18] <robc4> seeya guys
[05:18] <DanaG> I just ♡♥♡♥ Flash.  NOT.
[05:18] <EnderTheThird> DanaG:  Yeah, not fun.  Is it FF3 that's causing trouble (beyond Adobe being a bunch of jerks)?
[05:18] <DanaG> It only crashes on youtube.com, though.
[05:18] <DanaG> Every 3 pages or so.  At least last time I tried, that is.
[05:19] <EnderTheThird> Going back to Gutsy wouldn't help though, right?  I was using Beta in Gutsy and never had this problem.
[05:20] <DanaG> Beats me.
[05:20] <Mit> I've had issues with Flash and Firefox under linux all the time to the point I just block it with flashblock or noscript
[05:21] <Mit> even on Firefox 2
[05:21] <Mit> on Fiesty
[05:21] <Mit> I think it's just adobe's Flash Pluggin for LInux Is just really buggy.
[05:21] <EnderTheThird> Damned flash video makes it hard to go without for me.  :-/
[05:21] <Mit> doesn't help that Firefox doesn't protect it self from plugin crashes
[05:22] <DanaG> *segfault*
[05:22] <DanaG> yay.
[05:22] <Mit> it just crashed on me too
[05:22] <Mit> going to youtube
[05:22] <Mit> could be the new beta 5 that's doing it
[05:23] <Mit> have you tried running and older beta?
[05:23] <jbroome> i'm on x86_64 so that's not helping
[05:24] <ChaosParser> For flash issues, try Opera's new beta, Kestrel.  It works and its fantastic.
[05:24] <x1250> anyone has experience the "grey window bug" ? Suddenly a programs window turn into grey, like if it were disabled or something. Only fix is to kill and restart the app...
[05:24] <x1250> someone?
[05:25] <x1250> this has happend with firefox and pidgin
[05:25] <Jordan_U> ChaosParser, Does it somehow magically make the flash plugin not crash or does the plugin crashing not crash the browser ( like with nspluginwrapper ? )
[05:25] <Mit> so any thoughts on what I can tweak to get my cdrom working again?
[05:25] <Mit> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62599/
[05:25] <Jordan_U> x1250, That means that it is not responding ( it's a feature of compiz )
[05:26] <RAOF> x1250: You'd be using Compiz, yes?  That happens when the windows don't respond (specifically, to a WM_PING message, or somesuch).
[05:26] <Mit> sometimes though it will respond at a later date
[05:26] <Jordan_U> x1250, For firefox try getting flashblock
[05:26] <RAOF> x1250: The upshot is: the app is broken, hit it with a stick.
[05:27] <ChaosParser> Jordan_U: I have never had it crash yet.
[05:27] <Mit> are there any other commands I'm forgeting or don't know about that can help you guys trouble shoot the cdrom issue in 8.04?
[05:28] <x1250> Yes, compiz here... Ok, I'll wait some new updates then.
[05:28] <DanaG> Argh, Wine can't do surround on my audigy2.
[05:28] <x1250> Mit, I saw your pastebin, but cannot help :(
[05:29] <Mit> anyone have suggestions how to write a launchpad bug?
[05:29] <Mit> or if there is a better place to get the devs attentions?
[05:29] <RAOF> Mit: Launchpad bugs are it.
[05:29] <RAOF> Mit: There are any number of suggestions.  Let me find a link...
[05:29] <x1250> you can always try ubuntuforums.org if nobody knows how to help here...
[05:30] <RAOF> Mit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs is probably a good start.
[05:30] <DanaG> Any of you use Wine with surround?
[05:31] <andrew__> hi i just installed 8.10 beta and i'm trying to compile something (fwcutter) but it spits out a few pages of errors. What should I do ?
[05:32] <Jordan_U> andrew__, Why are you trying to compile fwcutter? It's available in the repos
[05:32] <andrew__> oh I didnt know
[05:32] <andrew__> was following some linux wireless tutorial
[05:32] <Jordan_U> andrew__, First off, have you tried System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers?
[05:32] <andrew__> no
[05:33] <andrew__> i will
[05:33] <andrew__> no prop drivers in use
[05:33]  * DanaG needeth help with Wine.
[05:34] <DanaG> Or can Wine just not do surround?
[05:34] <DanaG> I try to tell it to use surround51:1, it instead uses hw:1.
[05:34] <RAOF> DanaG: I'd be tempted to suggest that it doesn't do surround.
[05:34] <Jordan_U> DanaG, What, do you have a drinking problem?
[05:34] <DanaG> ... and then tries to open 6 channels on the 2-channel virtual device.
[05:35]  * Jordan_U plays scenes from airplane in his head
[05:35] <DanaG> Audigy2 does surround oddly -- it only maps correctly if you use surround51.
[05:35] <cr0mulent> 214 updates and I installed the beta two days ago, awesome.
[05:35] <cr0mulent> Are there nightly changes added to the update manager in the beta?
[05:35] <woodwizzle> Does hardy have a GUI tool to configure multiple monitors?
[05:35] <andrew__> ok got fwutter now
[05:36] <andrew__> what would cause those errors compiling tho
[05:36] <andrew__> some package i need ?
[05:36] <Jordan_U> woodwizzle, I think system -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution does it but I am not sure
[05:36] <andrew__> obviously
[05:36] <andrew__> but which one
[05:37] <woodwizzle> Jordan_U: I thought so too. But it only shows 1 monitor even though i have more plugged in
[05:37] <Jordan_U> andrew__, Easiest thing to do if the package is available in the repos but you still need to compile from source for some reason is to "sudo apt-get build-dep <package>"
[05:40] <cr0mulent> Jordan_U: can you add compile script options after the package name?
[05:40] <Jordan_U> cr0mulent, No, it only grabs the build dependencies for the package as configured in the repository
[05:45] <Mit> thanks for the help
[05:48] <cr0mulent> Jordan_U: Are nightly builds of packages downloadable from the update manager?
[05:49] <RAOF> cr0mulent: I think you misunderstand how Ubuntu development works.
[05:49] <J-_> When I go to turn off my mounted drive(external) for some reason it leaves an empty folder in /media/disk then when I turn it back on/remount it, it remounts o na different name and the files, etc.. are there.
[05:50] <J-_> when it remounts, it is /media/disk-1 or something like that
[05:50] <DanaG> disk_
[05:50] <DanaG> ﻿disk__
[05:50] <DanaG> ﻿disk__
[05:50] <DanaG> ﻿disk_________________
[05:51] <RAOF> cr0mulent: Packages are built exactly once per version (per arch).  You get new versions of packages from the update manager, yes.
[05:51] <J-_> Never happened before in earlier versions of Ubuntu
[05:51] <RAOF> That's because it's a bug.
[05:51] <RAOF> That's been recently introduced; there's a LP bug & a thread on Ubuntuforums (with a workaround).
[05:51] <DanaG> I've had the issue before, actually.
[05:51] <DanaG> Ages ago.
[05:52] <J-_> I never did. =)
[05:52] <Finnish> Where can I get MS-fonts for OpenOffice?
[05:52] <Fritzel> is there a way I can tell kde4 to maximize a window to take up the full screen similar to the way compiz does it with a keybinding?
[05:52] <chapocero> Where can i go to report errors that I am recieving while installing updates?
[05:53] <DanaG> msttcorefonts
[05:53] <DanaG> for MS fonts.
[05:53] <Jordan_U> Finnish, I think just installing msttcorefonts should do it, though I have never tried with OpenOffice specifically
[05:53] <RAOF> Fritzel: Probably.  But maybe not; KDE 4 hasn't yet finished porting the thousand and one pointless options it used to have :P
[05:54] <Fritzel> -nod- any clue if there's a way to use compiz as a temporary replacement till kde4 comes into it's own?
[05:54] <Fritzel> !compiz
[05:54] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[05:54] <ChaosParser> Fritzel: Yeah, just use compiz-settings-manager.
[05:55] <Fritzel> ChaosParser: my question was more about getting them to coexist
[05:55] <DanaG> git compiz supports kde4 if you have the development stuff installed.
[05:55] <Jordan_U> Fritzel, I would expect you to be able to just "compiz --replace" ( you will obviously loose any kwin functionality then though )
[05:56] <Fritzel> yeah but my problems seem to com from plasma
[05:56] <Fritzel> actually
[05:56] <Fritzel> nevermind
[05:56] <Fritzel> is it possible to run kde4 without plasma would be a better question but I have a hunch I'm not goign to like the answer
[05:57] <Jordan_U> Fritzel, I would ask in #kubuntu, there is probably a "maximumize" and I don
[05:57] <Jordan_U> ... don't think they will mind you asking about KDE 4 on Hardy even though it's technically not the right place to ask
[05:58] <Fritzel> I was just about to say they'ld just send me here
[05:58] <Jordan_U> Fritzel, Well whatever you do, don't tell them I sent you :)
[05:58] <J-_> Is Firefox 2 in Hardy repos?
[05:58] <omar__> Guys, it seems that gtk is not installed on my machine, which is important in order to run Python based applications, what's the command to install it?
[05:59] <Jordan_U> J-_, Why would you want firefox 2?
[05:59]  * Jordan_U loves his FF3
[05:59] <J-_> FF3 beta 5 is a mess
[05:59] <Fritzel> firefox 3 has practically none of my addons :(
[05:59] <J-_> Could be my fault though
[05:59] <Jordan_U> J-_, A mess in what way?
[05:59] <Fritzel> other than no addons, I think FF3 is a great improvement ^^
[06:00] <J-_> I added firefox 2 addons to FF3, and well, it updated to Beta 5 and it's a bit horrid ;)
[06:00] <J-_> The UI that is
[06:01] <omar__> Can anyone help tell me what's the command to install gtk??
[06:02] <Jordan_U> omar_, mind if I ask why? gtk isn't worth much without applications to use it, and applications that need it should bring it in when installed
[06:02] <Fritzel> is there a git for dummies guide somewhere?
[06:04] <Fritzel> I would prefer to use compiz on hardy if I can get it to work unfortunatly I've never been able to figure out how to get it directly from the source
[06:04] <Fritzel> mainly due to git
[06:04] <pen> Anyone know how to get ZSNES sound quality back?
[06:05] <omar__> Jordan_U: That's the problem, none of the python-based applications work on my machine now, and might be because I tried to install pyhton version 3.00 alpha, and now I'm trying to fix them.
[06:05] <Jordan_U> omar_, sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 ( I think )
[06:05] <J-_> Fritzel: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=intitle%3Agit+filetype%3Apdf&btnG=Search&meta=
[06:05] <RAOF> Maybe _that's_ why git is so impenetrable!  As a way of keeping the less knowledgable from running unstable code!
[06:05] <Jordan_U> omar_, How did you install the python 3.00 alpha?
[06:05]  * Fritzel chuckles
[06:05] <Fritzel> it certainly has kept me away
[06:06] <Fritzel> thanks J-_
[06:06] <omar__> Jordan_U: I downloaded it from the net at www.python.org
[06:06] <Flannel> omar__: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/libgtk2.0-0
[06:06] <RAOF> Fritzel: On the other hand, why are you installing compiz from git? :)
[06:07] <Fritzel> because someone just said I should get it directly from the devs for it to be kde4 friendly?  and last I tried they didn't let you get it without gitting it
[06:07] <RAOF> !info compiz-kde hardy | Fritzel
[06:07] <ubotu> fritzel: compiz-kde (source: compiz): OpenGL window and compositing manager - KDE window decorator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.7.2-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 102 kB, installed size 272 kB
[06:08] <RAOF> Or is that not what you mean?  KDE4 really shouldn't care that you're using Compiz as your compositing manager.
[06:08] <Fritzel> you can tell ubotu is getting upset with me :P it didn't even take the time to capitalize my name like you did ><
[06:09] <J-_> Wow. lol
[06:09] <RAOF> Our (regular) compiz probably isn't built against kde4, and probably can't handle kde4 window decoration themes, but should otherwise work fine?
[06:10] <Fritzel> well it, hang on let me install it and I can explain it better
[06:10] <omar_> Flannel: But this package seems to be already installed.
[06:10] <Flannel> omar_: assuming its the Gutsy version, then you do have gtk
[06:10] <Flannel> omar_: You may need the python bindings or something, but you do have gtk
[06:11] <omar_> Flannel: Nope, it's not Gutsy it's Hardy
[06:11] <Flannel> omar_: Er, thats what I meant.  That was the Gutsy version
[06:11] <omar_> Flannel: Oh okay.
[06:11] <pen> is there a way to make one app use oss?
[06:11] <omar_> Flannel: Then can you give me the Hardy version?
[06:12] <pen> in hardy
[06:12] <Flannel> omar_: Its probably the same package.  If you're on hardy and that package is installed, it just means the package name didn't change.
[06:12] <Flannel> omar_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/libgtk2.0-0  same name
[06:12] <Fritzel> actually nevermind everything looks fine off the bat, perhaps whatever my problem was before has been resolved
[06:13] <omar_> Flannel: But what might be preventing the python based applications to work on my michine?
[06:13] <Flannel> omar_: No idea.  Like I said, you may need the python bindings.
[06:14] <omar_> Flannel: Where do I get them?
[06:14] <Flannel> omar_: but, assuming you have Ubuntu, you should already have them
[06:14] <omar_> Flannel: Yes but I migth have lost them when I tried to install the Alpha version of Python3.0
[06:15] <dwidmann> Hmm, seems the multimedia hotkeys crash some background process in Kubuntu Hardy :(
[06:15] <Fritzel> umm what's the best way to launch compiz at login? I think when I logout it'll go back to the default manager won't it?
[06:15] <dwidmann> Fritzel: I dunno, maybe someone in #compiz-fusion would know (I think that's the right channel name, not sure)
[06:16] <Fritzel> dwidmann: alright I'll check there
[06:16] <Flannel> omar_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/python-gtk2
[06:18] <J-_> Finally, the darn drive mounted proper after about 6 tries. <3
[06:19] <Fritzel> excuse this tiny paste, but it's relative to my next question
[06:19] <Fritzel>  <FusioBot> Fritzel: There is no standard way to autostart compiz on kde, options available include adding compiz-manager or fusion-icon to the autostart directory (on ubuntu, compiz-manager is simply named compiz)
[06:19] <Fritzel> if I do that
[06:19] <Fritzel> how will the session restore functionality of kde handle that?
[06:20] <Fritzel> like basically I won't end up with 2500 compiz's trying to run after 2500 logins will I?
[06:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, you can always install gtk window decorator, and then use an Oxygen metacity theme.
[06:21] <DanaG> I have seen such a theme on some "nanolx" repo, but you can probably just find it on gnome-look.org.
[06:23] <tapoxi> hi all, what's the name of the gtk+ x configuration tool?
[06:24] <LibertyShadow> Adobe Media Player.... as if there weren't enough already (for windows)
[06:24] <LibertyShadow> How about making the flash plugin not suck!
[06:26] <subpar> LibertyShadow, i second the motion
[06:28] <tapoxi> secondly, say I install a bad driver and it really destroys humanity
[06:28] <tapoxi> any easy way to undo that?
[06:28] <subpar> well if humanity is destroyed, then there's no one to help ya out
[06:29] <tapoxi> well, I'm under the impression that extraterrestrials run Linux.
[06:29] <subpar> nah they just developed it
[06:29] <jbroome> i thought it was osh
[06:29] <jbroome> osx
[06:29] <jbroome> according to independence day
[06:29] <tapoxi> I installed the AMD FireGL driver, now I'm running in reduced graphics mode.
[06:30] <tapoxi> I can't run the catalyst control panel, it crashes immediately.
[06:31] <tapoxi> Do I need to load a module?
[06:31] <RAOF> This depends on how you installed fglrx.
[06:33] <icanhasadmin> tapoxi: RDM is your friend
[06:34] <tapoxi> ATI's script
[06:34] <tapoxi> brb, might just be a bad xorg.conf
[06:34] <RAOF> No, it isn't :(
[06:35] <danage> is gstreamer currently broken?
[06:35] <RAOF> Not for me.
[06:36] <FAJALOU> hello.
[06:36] <danage> shit. rhythmbox loads but doesnt play, same for totem
[06:36] <danage> same for nautilus preview on hover
[06:36] <FAJALOU> ok so i have an nvidia card that was working on 7.10
[06:36] <Pirate_Hunter> hi how come i cnat open .zip files in hardy?
[06:36] <FAJALOU> but will not work on 8.04
[06:37] <FAJALOU> i have the drivers correct, but when i reboot, i get a 'configure your screen or run in low res'
[06:37] <ChaosParser> Pirate_Hunter: cause you don't have something installed.  go to add/remove and type in zip
[06:37] <critter-> FAJALOU, i'd like to send you a private message can you register your nick ?
[06:37] <FAJALOU> so every time i configure it, it changes the drivers from nvidia to nv
[06:38] <Pirate_Hunter> ChaosParser: i wouldve thought it would be part of hardy just like it was on gutsy :/ hmmm is this really going to be fully released on time i wonder
[06:38] <FAJALOU> critter, how to register
[06:39] <ChaosParser> Pirate_Hunter: What happens when you try to open a zip?
[06:39] <critter-> it appears i'm not registered either.  i'm a friend of yours if you hop on efnet i might be able to help
[06:39] <Pirate_Hunter> ChaosParser: not recognised trying it your way
[06:39] <danage> RAOF: wow, just restarted x... it works
[06:40] <danage> tssk
[06:40] <ChaosParser> FAJALOU: Desktop or notebook, what resolution should it be, and what does your xorg say?
[06:40] <FAJALOU> on efnet's ubuntu+1 ?
[06:40] <FAJALOU> chaosparser desktop, 1440*900 xorg says that the driver is nv not nvidia
[06:40] <kevin__> so the release candidate is coming out soon?
[06:40] <ChaosParser> FAJALOU: Is 1440*900 correct?
[06:41] <FAJALOU> that's what i want it to be on
[06:41] <FAJALOU> and that's what it was on in 7.10
[06:41] <ChaosParser> FAJALOU: The xorg will revert to nv if there's a problem, generally.  What resolutions are listed in the xorg?
[06:41] <FAJALOU> a lot,
[06:42] <Fritzel> what would I execute if I wanted to bring up the window that kde ALT+F2 brings up? the one that lets you type in a program
[06:42] <tapoxi> I installed fglrx from ATI's site, the catalyst installer
[06:42] <ChaosParser> FAJALOU: Save a copy of the xorg as xorg.conf.old, then try removing any resolutions you don't want, setting the virtual resolution to the one you want, and then changing nv to nvidia and save, then restart x with ctrl alt backspace.
[06:42] <tapoxi> I'm always running in low graphics mode, can't run the graphical X config utility
[06:43] <ChaosParser> FAJALOU: What nvidia card do you have, btw?
[06:43] <FAJALOU> 6200 xt
[06:45] <RAOF> tapoxi: Right.  You should have used System->Administration->Hardware Drivers, ideally.
[06:45] <tapoxi> Well, the installed version didn't support Composite.
[06:45] <FAJALOU> chaos, even with the resolutions in there, i still can't see them all
[06:46] <tapoxi> I can get into X, but I'm running at 1440x900 or so, not 1680x1050
[06:46] <RAOF> tapoxi: If you're using Hardy, then the installed version supported Composite.  If you're not using Hardy, this is the wrong place for support :)
[06:46] <tapoxi> My Xorg.conf looks fine, the module seems loaded, I don't know what's wrong
[06:47] <FAJALOU> ok so i changed it in the xorg.conf
[06:47] <RAOF> tapoxi: It's probably the wrong module (from linux-restricted-modules)
[06:47] <FAJALOU> from nv to nvidia
[06:47] <tapoxi> RAOF: I'm using Hardy.
[06:47] <FAJALOU> so should i try a ctrl alt backspace?
[06:47] <tapoxi> RAOF: How do I load the right module?
[06:48] <RAOF> tapoxi: So, presumably the plan was to get compiz to work; the way to do this would have been to remove the line specifically disabling Composite from your xorg.conf.
[06:48] <critter-> what is composite ?  how does that make graphics rendering different ?
[06:48] <FAJALOU> so should i?
[06:49] <RAOF> tapoxi: What you probably want to do is add 'fglrx' to DISABLED_MODULES in  /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[06:49] <critter-> FAJALOU, that will restart your x session.  you'll have to log in again.
[06:49] <FAJALOU> ok but that will make my x session reset so the nvidia drivers in xorg work... correct?
[06:50] <RAOF> critter-: Composite makes everything render off-screen, basically. (Among other things).
[06:50] <critter-> FAJALOU, i dont know FAJALOU i think someone told you to edit xorg.conf after backing up a working one.  to test new settings you'd have to restart the server
[06:50] <tapoxi> Okay, let me see if this works
[06:50] <RAOF> tapoxi: Oh, you'd need to restart, of course.
[06:50] <FAJALOU> so if i changed that one line from nv to nvidia
[06:50] <tapoxi> RAOF: Of course :)
[06:50] <FAJALOU> should i restart to see if it works?
[06:50] <omar_> Guys, is it possible to install the KDE desktop on Ubuntu?
[06:51] <critter-> FAJALOU, if that does not work after you ctrl-bksp then sudo cp xorg.conf.old /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  in case you get stuck
[06:52] <os2mac> omar_ yes it is
[06:53] <os2mac> or you can go get Kubuntu which is a KDE version of Ubuntu
[06:53] <omar_> os2mac: Is done by just typing " sudo apt-get install kde-desktop " in a terminal?
[06:54] <os2mac> you can do it with apt-get though I am unfamiliar with the exact package name... you could go to synaptic and search for KDE
[06:54] <RAOF> omar_: You'd be after the "kubuntu-desktop" package, probably.  Or even the 'kde4' package, IIRC.
[06:55] <omar_> RAOF: The KDE4 is different than Kubuntu-desktop, right?
[06:55] <DanaG> !aptitude
[06:55] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[06:55] <FAJALOU> ok even after i ran w/ the new xorg...
[06:55]  * DanaG likes aptitude!
[06:56] <FAJALOU> it still is running at 800x600
[06:56] <FAJALOU> would it help to see the xorg.conf?
[06:56]  * os2mac uses apt-get
[07:03] <dwidmann> omar: kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[07:05] <FAJALOU> ok...
[07:05] <FAJALOU> so i went into xorg.conf
[07:05] <FAJALOU> and changed something
[07:05] <FAJALOU> then rebooted.
[07:05] <FAJALOU> and i got a screen that said to reconfigure you're monitor and video drivers.
[07:05] <FAJALOU> so i did.
[07:05] <FAJALOU> and tested it,
[07:06] <FAJALOU> and it looked good,
[07:06] <FAJALOU> so i clicked ok
[07:06] <FAJALOU> and booted,
[07:06] <FAJALOU> and now back to 800x600
[07:06] <FAJALOU> so what's happening between those?
[07:06] <DanaG> Custom-installed ATI?
[07:06] <DanaG> fglrx, I mean.
[07:06] <FAJALOU> what?
[07:07] <DanaG> Are you using custom drivers?
[07:07] <DanaG> from the manufacturer's web site.
[07:07] <FAJALOU> i'm (supposedly) using nvidia geforce 6800 generic
[07:07] <FAJALOU> and trident generic
[07:07] <tritiumosu> Anyone help me with an iptables problem?
[07:07] <wolf4914> I have low graphics mode after upgrading to a new kernel so I booted in 800x600 tried modprobe nvidia - did not work
[07:07] <FAJALOU> and during the test it seems to work
[07:07] <DanaG> By custom-installed, I mean downloading from nvidia.com.
[07:08] <wolf4914> Is there an option I can do in grub to boot in init 3?
[07:08] <FAJALOU> no i did it through envy and also through synaptic
[07:08] <DanaG> Aah.  Make sure you're not trying to use 175 or such driver version -- the packaged one is 169.12.
[07:09] <FAJALOU> i ran it through envy,
[07:09] <DanaG> /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[07:09] <DanaG> Edit that if using non-repo version.
[07:09] <FAJALOU> i don't know if it's non-repo or not
[07:09] <wolf4914> Now the box boots and I have all different colors on the screens - will try to install nvidia driver with no X
[07:09] <DanaG> dmesg | grep NVRM
[07:10] <FAJALOU> [   22.992000] NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module  1.0-9639  Mon Apr 16 20:20:06 PDT 2007
[07:10] <DanaG> Aah.
[07:10] <DanaG> Envy likely installed a different version; that breaks things.
[07:10] <RAOF> Aaah, old legacy.
[07:11] <FAJALOU> grrrreeeaaat
[07:11] <RAOF> Sorry, new-legacy.
[07:11] <DanaG> Don't'cha love NVIDIA's naming?
[07:11] <DanaG> That's part of why I'll be going ATI next time: it may suck compared to nvidia for now, but at least it's open-sourced sucky, and not closed-source not-quite-as-sucky-but-pretty-close.
[07:11] <FAJALOU> ok so how to change it?
[07:12] <FAJALOU> what to do...
[07:12] <dwidmann> DanaG: nvidia doesn't seem too sucky here .... actually seems pretty stable, albeit it being closed source
[07:13] <DanaG> I've been getting random hard-lockups.
[07:13] <FAJALOU> danag what to do?
[07:13] <dwidmann> DanaG: which card
[07:13] <RAOF> dwidmann: Except for pink shadows on nv5x+, and random hard-lockups, and black-flashes with OpenGL, and...
[07:13] <DanaG> GeForce Go 7600.
[07:14] <dwidmann> RAOF: I've been getting none of that, then again, I was a bit choosier about the card I got (8600GT), just because I hadn't heard tons of bad about it (like I had with the 8800s, some of the mobiles .... etc)
[07:15] <dwidmann> 7800 was apparently another one to avoid the the 7600 and 7900 were fine .... etc
[07:15] <RAOF> dwidmann: Hm.  Are you using Compiz?  Because you should be getting pink shadows :)
[07:16] <dwidmann> RAOF: why would I want to use that?
[07:16] <wolf4914> So how do I tell grub to boot in init 3?
[07:16]  * dwidmann is in love with kwin
[07:16] <RAOF> dwidmann: Aaah.  Yes.  Much of nvidia suckiness is hidden when you don't use an OpenGL compositing window manager.
[07:16] <DanaG> My next laptop will likely have an HD2600 or HD3860 or the successor.
[07:17] <RAOF> I hope _I'll_ hold out long enough for my next laptop to have a high-end intel GPU.
[07:17] <critter-> how do i install something so i can see a graphical hardware tree of what i have installed ?
[07:17] <dwidmann> RAOF: I didn't say I didn't use kwin kde4 on occasion though
[07:17] <DanaG> My laptop is reaching old-age despite being not very old.
[07:17] <dwidmann> RAOF: it seemed fine ....... Quake4 (opengl) seemed fine also
[07:17] <RAOF> critter-: I think you'd be looking for System->Preferences->Hardware Devices, no?
[07:18] <DanaG> Cracked hinge, broken screw in hinge (due to lack of thread-adhesive!), missing cardbus ejector lever, and other stuff.
[07:19] <RAOF> dwidmann: If you have sync-to-vblank on you should notice that it misses a refresh every now and then, giving you an all-black screen for a fraction of a second.
[07:19] <Lynoure> DanaG: I guess you use it actively... I have been thinking of going kind of the other way, replacing the laptop with Eeepc (or somesuch) and a desktop machine
[07:19] <dwidmann> RAOF: hmm, didn't notice that
[07:19] <critter-> RAOF, thats not listed in my hardy
[07:20] <dwidmann> RAOF: I'd test, but it can wait a week, my desktop is taking some downtime for now while I add in some new parts and such (vga cooler, 4 case fans, new cpu hsf, etc)
[07:20] <RAOF> critter-: It'd actually be Hardware Information, sorry.
[07:21] <DanaG> If I had to go desktop, I'd use silentpcreview.com for reference.
[07:21] <DanaG> Current laptop: Gateway M685.
[07:21] <DanaG> Next laptop I'm considering: "HP Compaq" 8510p.
[07:21] <dwidmann> DanaG: I should have, but the stuff I got seems to be fairly decent. I'll see how it works out
[07:21] <critter-> RAOF, i dont know how this is possible but i dont see that either.  i installed something from the repos that will display it though.  however hardware information is not there
[07:22] <DanaG> notebookreview.com -- remember it.
[07:22] <DanaG> Lenovo x60 or HP 2510p are good for small notebooks.
[07:23] <FAJALOU> ok so back to 800x600
[07:23] <FAJALOU> what happens
[07:23] <FAJALOU> is that i restart after trying
[07:24] <FAJALOU> and it says configure my monitor and graphics card.
[07:24] <FAJALOU> and then i test it and it looks good.
[07:24] <FAJALOU> but then when i run it here,
[07:24] <FAJALOU> it doesn't work...
[07:24] <DanaG> Does VIA Chrome9 work in Linux?
[07:25] <RAOF> DanaG: Depends on how you define 'work', I think.
[07:26] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[07:26] <SeveredCross> Isn't there an OpenChrome driver in Hardy?
[07:26] <SeveredCross> Or am I confusing that for something else.
[07:27] <RAOF> There is an OpenChrome driver, yes.
[07:27] <RAOF> Which provides some acceleration, I believe.
[07:36] <JanPeter> Anyone have any idea what's with nvidia-glx not allowing itself to be removed?
[07:37] <icesword> sudo
[07:38] <JanPeter> what about it? i've done everything in sudo
[07:39] <icesword> don't know
[07:39] <Lynoure> JanPeter: one thing that is good to share is what happens when you try...
[07:40] <icesword> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62605/
[07:40] <JanPeter> yea.. sorry this is carried over from #ubuntu
[07:40] <JanPeter> just realized this is the hardy channel
[07:41] <JanPeter> i have stumbled across something
[07:44] <gluer> Q: which driver is better, the restricted nvidia driver or the nvidia driver from nvidia?
[07:44] <JanPeter> i believe the driver from nvidia is restricted?
[07:45] <JanPeter> btw there is a workaround for the nvidia-glx removal error
[07:52] <xtknight> richard, right now without updating which flashplugin-nonfree do you have?
[07:52] <xtknight> dpkg -s flashplugin-nonfree | grep Version
[07:53] <richard> Version: 9.0.115.0ubuntu5
[07:53] <xtknight> alright.  the update is 124.0
[07:53] <xtknight> but it probably wont fix your issue, anyway
[07:53] <richard> I think it might be Firefox itself
[07:54] <richard> maybe...
[07:54] <xtknight> flash itself is generally unreliable
[07:54] <xtknight> i've had it crash so many times
[07:54] <xtknight> but usually works until i have up to 5 windows open then things start getting messy
[07:54] <xtknight> 5 firefox windows, or 5 flash windows
[07:55] <richard> same here.  crashes randomly when-ever i go to a website with flash.   When it reloads itself back to it's session. it won't crash then.   but if i access another website with flash, the process start all over.
[07:55] <richard> Are there other flash player alternatives?
[07:56] <xtknight> yes, but they work very poorly
[07:56] <xtknight> probably worse ;0
[07:56] <xtknight> 1info gnash
[07:56] <xtknight> why doesnt my shift key work
[07:56] <jcarey75> I was having a problem with flash until tonight ia32-lib updates
[07:56] <jcarey75> I'm on Hardy amd64
[07:56] <xtknight> amd64 here too
[07:57] <richard> I have another problem, want to hear it
[07:57] <richard> or see it i mean
[07:57] <xtknight> sure ;p
[07:57] <dwidmann> richard: what would you do if someone said no?
[07:57] <xtknight> he would cry himself to sleep
[07:58] <richard> lol
[07:58] <jcarey75> Several days ago it was working fine (I think, can't remember any specific issues), then after an update if I had a couple of tabs open with flash content and I closed one, all of the flash content on all other pages would be just a light gray box. After this evenings updates I cannot replicate the bug.  :)
[07:59] <richard> http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/4/4/9/f_Screenshotm_ee73adb.png
[07:59] <richard> black circle tells the problem
[08:00] <richard> so how do i fix this big trash icon?
[08:00] <richard> not that it's crashing but it's annoying
[08:00] <xtknight> weird
[08:01] <xtknight> try remove/re-adding it/
[08:01] <richard> tried it
[08:01] <xtknight> mine's not that way
[08:01] <xtknight> weird
[08:01] <richard> it goes back to normal size when i have something in there
[08:01] <jcarey75> xtknight, are you having problems with your shift button? If so, are you running vmware server?
[08:04] <xtknight> jcarey75, hahayes
[08:04] <xtknight> i just installed the latest vmware
[08:04] <xtknight> with 2.6.24 vmware-any-any patch
[08:05] <xtknight> i think i've had this happen to me before anyway, usually rebooting restores order
[08:05] <woodwizzle> how do I fix broken packages?
[08:05] <jcarey75> I had that issue yesterday, it only happened when I used ctrl-alt-enter to toggle full screen in vmware
[08:05] <jcarey75> in the guest
[08:06] <xtknight> i dont think i even did that but i may have used full screen but maximizing it
[08:06] <dwidmann> woodwizzle: tried sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:06] <dwidmann> woodwizzle: how about "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[08:06] <xtknight> jcarey75, something to do with the vmware fighting over x server locks for the keybaord
[08:08] <jcarey75> xtknight, I just maximize the vmware server console window (with tabs / buttons / menus off) on it's on desktop, but I haven't had the issue since, just the one time I tried alternating full screen.
[08:08] <woodwizzle> the problem is liblaunchpad-integration1
[08:08] <jcarey75> on=own
[08:08] <xtknight> oh they're dealing with the launchpad integration problems
[08:08] <xtknight> jcarey75, i bet this is the only time i'll have the isuse
[08:09] <xtknight> if not im not sure where to file a bug
[08:09] <xtknight> my ctrl button doesnt work either
[08:09] <jcarey75> I did, let me see if I can find it
[08:11] <jcarey75> xtknight, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/195982   mine's near  the bottom in all lower case  :)  I have no idea if it's filed correctly for attention though.
[08:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195982 in linux "Shift key (and caps lock) stop working when using VMWare" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[08:12] <xtknight> lol
[08:12] <xtknight> cool
[08:12] <owen1> i can't see subtitles in Totem 2.22.0  any ideas?
[08:14] <FAJALOU> alrightee
[08:14] <FAJALOU> i got it to go into 1440x900
[08:15] <FAJALOU> installed linux-restricted-drivers
[08:15] <FAJALOU> so, from here,
[08:15] <FAJALOU> how do i get compiz to work?
[08:15] <FAJALOU> b/c it says i can't enable the animations...
[08:15] <FAJALOU> any thoughts?
[08:16] <jcarey75> xtknight, by the way, after tonight's updates vmware server 1.05 broke, I had to rerun an sed command because libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.1200.8 is now libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.1200.9  I didn't know until I rebooted for other reasons after the update.
[08:17] <xtknight> jcarey75, hey now that your keys arent broken can you try something for me
[08:17] <jcarey75> sure
[08:17] <xtknight> jcarey75, run xev and press ctrl a
[08:18] <xtknight> on the window
[08:18] <FAJALOU> ok w/e
[08:18] <xtknight> i'm trying to see how the events sent to x server diff
[08:18] <FAJALOU> one accomplishment every night
[08:18] <FAJALOU> night all
[08:18] <xtknight> jcarey75, basically i need the info printed when you press ctrl a.  you have to have your mouse over the window for it do print anytihng.  so the best solution i've found is to move your mouse to the edge of the window, then copy the events you see in the terminal
[08:20] <xtknight> it's a little finicky
[08:20] <tritiumosu> VanessaE: It doesn't seem to like that -ttl-gt 200 option in the argument... weird.
[08:21] <tritiumosu> wrong room >_> oops
[08:21] <jcarey75> xtknight, I haven't run that command before, just did, I've got a lot of "notifying events", I'm not sure if my ctrl a is even still in my terminal log
[08:22] <xtknight> jcarey75, yeah  i just look for the lines around control-l [left control] or control-r [right control]
[08:23] <xtknight> jcarey75, click the xev program right on the border, then ctrl-a, then move moues to console and you should be able to wrestle out the last five paragraphs it prints
[08:25] <jcarey75> xtknight, I caught the whole thing, might include an extra left click here or there, what is a good place to post...I forgot
[08:25] <xtknight> 1pastebin
[08:25] <xtknight> exclamation mark pastebin ;0
[08:25] <xtknight> !pastebin
[08:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[08:26] <xtknight> we really should mention, that the shift and ctrl works within the vm
[08:26] <xtknight> so i copied the capitals out of my vm
[08:27] <jcarey75> lol!
[08:27] <jcarey75> I just saw what you had to do...helped though, made it so I could click and finish.   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62606/
[08:27] <richard> I found the exact website that fill crash my firefox because of flash: http://www.wftv.com/video/15817645/index.html
[08:28] <richard> Someone test this website with firefox and tell me if it crashes for you too
[08:29] <xtknight> jcarey75, oh i dont see much difference between yours and mine. oh well
[08:29] <xtknight> jcarey75, so that's odd.  x is picking it up.  not gnome/
[08:29] <xtknight> erhahaha
[08:30] <xtknight> now my gnome-terminal is crashing at the first character i type
[08:30] <xtknight> maybe my ctrl is just stuck on/
[08:31] <jcarey75> richard, that site crashes flash for me too, so does yahoo videos, but flash is working much better than it was for most sights that are not as flash based (the site you mentioned seems to have several flash windows going on)
[08:31] <poni> harro
[08:32] <xtknight> i think i'm gonna call it a night
[08:32] <jcarey75> xtknight, cool chatting with you good luck on caps
[08:32] <xtknight> jcarey75, ;p
[08:32] <xtknight> yeah
[08:32] <poni> I got a problem in hardy, except for not being able to find nvidia drivers in Hardware Drivers, I also lag a bit, mouse freezing few secs once in a while, etc... Any idea?
[08:34] <xtknight> dude this is weird
[08:34] <xtknight> every program on my pc is crashing now
[08:34] <xtknight> lol
[08:34] <xtknight> sorry, reoprt a problem closed unexpectadly
[08:34] <xtknight> lmao
[08:34] <poni> hahah
[08:35] <xtknight> jcarey75, what was that sed hack you were talking about
[08:36] <jcarey75> xtknight, saw your bug post, I have nvidia drivers too, 171.06 beta, after the updates tonight and the vmware issues I was having (unrelated to the shift / ctrl issue) I had to hard reset my machine, only once though, may have been a fluke.
[08:36] <xtknight> might not be able to use hardy
[08:37] <jcarey75> xtknight, the sed hack was from fjgaude's instructions here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=736944
[08:37] <xtknight> ill have to try this in a chroot and see if it still happens
[08:37] <xtknight> ah i see i got something called vmware-any-any, seemed to work for kernel 2.6.24
[08:37] <xtknight> if i press ctrl alt f1, windows flash all over the place
[08:37] <WelshDragon> Hey, When login to hardy, all the panels keep appearing and disappearing every second until eventually they don't come back. When i run gnome-settings-daemon i get this message:
[08:37] <WelshDragon> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:26840): WARNING **: Failed to acquire org.gnome.SettingsDaemon
[08:38] <WelshDragon> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:26840): WARNING **: Could not acquire name
[08:38] <jcarey75> It is how I got vmware server 1.05 working, I had to use the vmware-any-any, but he has some additional links and the sed cmd for amd64
[08:38] <WelshDragon> Any idea how i can fix?
[08:38] <xtknight> my vmware comes to the front and then ... my sticky notes program crashes
[08:39] <xtknight> jcarey75, have you noticed the vmware maximize button never works either
[08:39] <xtknight> i mean you can never get it back into windowed state after it's maximized.
[08:40] <xtknight> sometimes i can't minimize it either
[08:40] <xtknight> i wish they'd get their stuff straight
[08:40] <xtknight> the gtk integration is clearly immature
[08:40] <jcarey75> xtknight, after tonight updates vmware would not open several errors and such and after review I noticed his last sed command was for ibgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.1200.8 which had been updated to ibgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.1200.9, so I just replaced the 8 with 9 and it works now. I'm checking the maximize now.
[08:41] <xtknight> the top toolbar thing in vmware that appears when you full screen...that just gets narrower when i press maximize again to restore the window
[08:43] <itsbland> I need some advice: I want to encrypt all files to be stored in my external portable hard drive (it's in FAT32 right now but I'll reformat it to ntfs for compatibility). Anyway to encrypt files seemlessly? Truecrypt?
[08:43] <jcarey75> xtnight, from maximized, my first window was just as large as max, but I was able to resize it, now it toggles between the two, but with the outstanding shift issues, I probably will never full screen it, fortunately I don't need to.
[08:46] <jcarey75> xtknight, I misspelled the previous msg, I agree virtualization certainly has issues, I'm just glad it's enabled me to leave dual boot behind (except for games)
[08:47] <xtknight> jcarey75, Hey, restarting the X server works
[08:47] <xtknight> :p
[08:48] <xtknight> jcarey75, thanks for helping me debug this i'm really going to call it a night now.  it was just fun messing with my desktop and making things crash...for a few mins
[08:49] <jcarey75> xtknight, my pleasure, see you around
[08:50] <ethana2> nehalem looks insane
[08:50] <ethana2> what on /earth/ am I going to do with all that power??
[08:50] <ethana2> You know
[08:50] <jcarey75> xtknight, I'm still real new to linux, I'm just glad it was an issue I'm familiar with.
[08:50] <xtknight> jcarey75, ah
[08:50] <xtknight> jcarey75, what's your launchpad username on that page?
[08:51] <jcarey75> justin
[08:51] <ethana2> I guess I'd like to get the quad core and use the CPU for 3d instead of a gpu......  anybody know if gallium can do that?
[08:51] <xtknight> lol
[08:51] <xtknight> quadcore would still be slooooooow
[08:51] <xtknight> gallium replaces mesa tho, so it should
[08:51] <xtknight> they're going to need some sort of reference renderer
[08:52] <xtknight> actually quake2 ran fine with cpu on my old athlon64
[08:52] <xtknight> quite amazing.  maybe someone will come out with some new quake2 engine and i'll be able to see graphics i could never see with my normal GPU!
[08:54] <Jessicatz> hey I'm getting a broken tarfile for linux-headers-2.6.24-15
[08:54] <Jessicatz> I hope that's known already
[08:56] <Jessicatz> I will try deleting it
[08:56] <Jessicatz> and retrying
[08:59] <Jessicatz> that worked
[08:59] <Jessicatz> stupid me.
[09:01] <fluteflute> is anyone else having issues with the mountpoints of usb drives? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/214178
[09:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214178 in ubuntu "USB mounts in a new folder if left plugged in on shutdown" [Undecided,New]
[09:04] <ba5e> gnome goes wierd when I use xserver-xgl, anyone know what to do?
[09:05] <ba5e> fonts, colours are wierd and session does not last sometimes
[09:05] <virtuald> ba5e: uninstall it
[09:06] <ba5e> I have hehe
[09:06] <ba5e> I upgraded from 7.10 and it started happening
[09:08] <ba5e> virtuald: any idea what could cause it? desktop effects work, a bit
[09:10] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone know how to put my card in monitor mode (or even if it can be done for my card) how do i find out if i cant be.
[09:13] <virtuald> ba5e: xgl itself, and the nvidia driver if you use it
[09:15] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone know how to put my card in monitor mode (or even if it can be done for my card) how do i find out if i cant be.
[09:15] <ba5e> virtuald: I have ATI, so need xgl :(
[09:16] <ba5e> jaffarkelshac: what do you mean monitor mode? hardware monitoring=
[09:17] <jaffarkelshac> no wireless card monitor mode ba5e
[09:27] <NineTeen67Comet> Hi all .. I am running 8.04 Beta (server) and for some reason the box just quits working (no network etc) .. the error logs are free from anything I can see as obvious errors, but still it initially ran for a day just fine (mainly for media serving in my house, and a backup to my web server) .. It's a PIII 450/360mb ram, 10gig and 2 360gig hdd .. headless box
[09:40] <nesp> hi, anyone here knows why postgresql doesn't show in System->Administration->Services?
[09:54] <phaidros> heho, yesterdays update broke X again.
[09:54] <phaidros> here, nvidia with -rt kernel
[09:54] <phaidros> any hints where to look?
[09:56] <RAOF> phaidros: Do you have linux-restricted-modules installed?  My nvidia works just fine.
[09:57] <phaidros> it happened the 3rd time with all my nvidia machines.
[09:57] <phaidros> it seems after rebooting into a newer kernel nvidia_new is not loaded automatically
[09:58] <phaidros> loading by hand works
[09:58] <jcarey75> phaidros, I'm using nvidia's beta 171.06 and have had to reinstall after the kernel updates
[09:59] <phaidros> jcarey75: are you using it as a package from hardy repos?
[10:00] <jcarey75> phairdros, I'm installing from the nvidia website, I don't think they're available in repos (not 171.06)
[10:00] <phaidros> so thats not unusual that you have to reinstall those drivers ;)
[10:00] <jcarey75> yeah, thought I'd pipe in, just in case
[10:00] <phaidros> mine is all from within package repos and should not break for a kernel upgrade ..
[10:01] <phaidros> ;)
[10:01]  * phaidros is just wondering if that might be useful to know in tha last days of beta before going to be the next LTS ..
[10:03] <phaidros> what is the letter 'B' saying when using aptitude search nvidia -> iB nvidia-glx-new (i is for installed, but B ?)
[10:03] <phaidros> Broken?
[10:05] <RAOF> Hm.  Quite possibly.
[10:07] <jcarey75> phaidros, from some searching, I'd agree, quite possibly
[10:08] <phaidros> ok, solution was a simple aptitude reinstall nvidia_glx_new linux-restricted-drivers-2.4.26-15-rt .. dunno which package was the one then ..
[10:08] <phaidros> and: reboot
[10:09] <cpk1>  /usr/share/doc/aptitude should have readings that say what it is, I remember finding it in there before
[10:15] <jk__> are there any known vunerabilties in ubuntu
[10:16] <phaidros> cpk1: .. there is nothing just news, README and changelog :(
[10:16] <cpk1> hmm, maybe wrong dir... hang on
[10:18] <cpk1> phaidros: get  aptitude-doc-en first I think =P
[10:18] <phaidros> hehe :)
[10:20] <savvas> jk_: I don't think so, but each time there is a security breach, they post it at a special site, I can't remember the name, i'll get back to you as soon as I finish upgrading :)
[10:22] <phaidros> for the sake of chatlog: aptitude .. B - the package has broken dependencies.
[10:22] <Fritzel> where do you disable the little tooltips that come up when you mouse over a task bar application?
[10:22] <Fritzel> that's in kde mind you
[10:22] <phaidros> jk_: there is a security mailinglist / newsfeed for ubuntu, where all critical bugs come through.
[10:23] <phaidros> jk_: useful is the debian security list as well, because ubuntu often inherits packages from debian
[10:28] <TerrorBite> part #ubuntu #ubuntu+1
[10:29] <TerrorBite> with a /
[10:29] <TerrorBite> I'm on an EeePC and debating if I should update to Hardy LTS
[10:30] <Davo_Dinkum> do it
[10:30] <cpk1> TerrorBite: you mean now as opposed to in 2 weeks or so?
[10:30] <TerrorBite> cpk1, basically
[10:30] <savvas> TerrorBite: there are two weeks left, i suggest you wait for the final :)
[10:30] <cpk1> if there is no explicit reason I dont see why you wouldnt wait 2 weeks
[10:31] <savvas> if gutsy works with eeepc, there's no need i guess
[10:31] <TerrorBite> alright, I'll wait then
[10:31] <Davo_Dinkum> anyone using hardy on powerpc?
[10:31] <Davo_Dinkum> or is there another channel for that?
[10:32] <cpk1> TerrorBite: basically there will still be problems up to release, much easier on yourself if you wait, unless you want to help out =)
[10:33] <TerrorBite> currently though, I have no other PC to fall back on should something particularly nasty occur
[10:33] <TerrorBite> otherwise I'm glad to help
[10:34] <Fritzel> is there anyway not have kopete bug me for my wallet password when I login? it starts when I login automatically
[10:36] <ikonia> is anyone using smbldap-tools on fedora 7 or 8  ?
[10:40] <tomahasamoot> Does the static tar ball of Skype work on amd64?
[10:41] <tomahasamoot> that's 2.0
[10:42] <jimiridge> why dont you give it a try?
[10:44] <savvas> Davo_Dinkum: you're in the right channel :) whatever is the problem, ask
[10:45] <FXMaveric> hello, ive got a problem compiling a programm which uses the asm/dma.h. anyone experience with that?
[10:45] <FXMaveric> unsing c on an ubuntu 7.10
[10:49] <kane77> what is the situation with hardy and broadcom cards? (the former bc43xx driver)
[10:50] <cwillu> kane77, working flawlessly for me
[10:50] <cwillu> b43 driver
[10:50] <cwillu> and b43-fwcutter
[10:50] <kane77> cwillu, okay.. will upgrade today in school...
[10:50] <cwillu> kane77, well
[10:50] <cwillu> you had better not be in here for tech support later today :p
[10:50] <Davo_Dinkum> savvas: no problems yet, just wondering :D
[10:50]  * cwillu points at the motd :p
[10:51] <KrimZon> i have some problems - clicking the gnome-panel clock freezes gnome-panel (unresponsive but not crashed) and i have to kill it in a terminal
[10:51] <cwillu> ... (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks ...
[10:51] <cwillu> kane77, but ya, it's been working perfectly;  you'll have to undo ndiswrapper gunk if you did it under gutsy
[10:52] <savvas> tomahasamoot: it does, but you have to go "pro" and install it using: dpkg --force-architecture yourfile.deb
[10:52] <kane77> KrimZon, do you have compiz enabled by any chance? I've seen this happening...
[10:52] <KrimZon> and also my tty1 - tty6 virtual terminals aren't working, i press ctrl-alt-f1 etc and just see a blinking cursor in the top left, no login prompt and doesnt respond to any keypresses
[10:52] <KrimZon> kane77: i just use the simplest looking visual setting because it allows me to snap windows to each other and the sides of the screen
[10:52] <kane77> cwillu, I don't want to run it as production machine, I want to betatest it so that developers would be able to fix some bugs :)
[10:53] <cwillu> okay :)
[10:53] <savvas> KrimZon: try press enter, maybe it will show you the login prompt
[10:53] <kane77> I already am running hardy on my desktop and it works nicely even the wifi card..
[10:54] <KrimZon> savvas: ok... doesnt respond
[10:54] <cwillu> kane77, my only showstopper is the scheduler uid-based grouping braindeadedness
[10:54] <cwillu> so if bug 188226, I'll be in heaven
[10:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[10:54] <cwillu> gets fixed, rather
[10:55] <savvas> KrimZon: sudo aptitude reinstall busybox-initramfs initramfs-tools console-setup brltty
[10:55] <savvas> KrimZon: then reboot and see if it works
[10:55] <KrimZon> k
[10:57] <savvas> KrimZon: also this one: sudo aptitude reinstall system-services
[10:57] <jk_> is the a lightscribe software for ubuntu
[10:59] <ikonia> jk_: yes
[10:59] <ikonia> jk_: visit the lightscribe website for info
[11:00] <KrimZon> ok, rebooting...
[11:05] <KrimZon> savvas: they're still broken
[11:08] <savvas> KrimZon: well.. sorry, tried my best :)
[11:09] <savvas> concider reporting it
[11:11] <AmiGanguli> Hi all.  Anybody up for debugging sound issues?  Apparently there are a lot of problems right now, so if I can get so far as to just associate my issue with an existing bug I can track, then I'd be happy with that.  As it is, non of the bug reports seem to match exactly my problem.
[11:11] <cwillu> well, describe away
[11:14] <AmiGanguli> cwillu:  Pretty simple, in a way.  I've been tracking Hardy and my sound stopped working.  Both input (usb mike) and output.  Other bug reports I've found seem to be kernel based, but my devices are still there.  Tried unmuting everything in alsamixer, but no effect.  No error messages anywhere that I can locate.
[11:16] <AmiGanguli> Wish there was a map of some sort that detailed how the Hardy/pusleaudio setup is supposed to work, and how one can test different components in isolation.
[11:16] <cwillu> pulseaudio process running?
[11:16] <AmiGanguli> Yup
[11:16] <AmiGanguli>  /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog
[11:16] <AmiGanguli>  /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper
[11:19] <KrimZon> hmm... strange - i got them back but in some crazy text mode
[11:19] <Davo_Dinkum> oh hello busybox
[11:20] <cwillu> AmiGanguli, wanna pastebin your syslog?
[11:21] <AmiGanguli> Sure.  But what's "pastebin"?
[11:21] <cwillu> !pastebin
[11:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[11:24] <AmiGanguli> Ok.  Think it worked (though I spelled my name wrong :-): http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62619/
[11:25] <AmiGanguli> !pastebin
[11:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[11:36] <iain> hello using kubuntu 8.04 on a rather pathetic celeron with built in intel graphics... I'm trying to get 3d acceleration working but I'm having trouble, when I do the dpkg reconfigure it doesn't give me the chance to autodetect hardware, or pick drivers, etc... it just lets me select my keyboard style.  Anyone help me?
[11:37] <Davo_Dinkum> heh xubuntu wont even boot on a g4 1ghz
[11:37] <m4gnu5> hi hi
[11:37] <m4gnu5> which package do i need for a nvidia 6150?
[11:41] <Davo_Dinkum> im trying to boot xubuntu hardy on g4 1ghz but keep getting a busybox prompt
[11:43] <AmiGanguli> cwillu: I should add that sound was working with earlier Hardy releases.  It stopped working after I updated on Monday (although I hadn't updated for a week or so before then).
[11:43] <recon69> ﻿m4gnu5: have you tried admin->hardware drivers ?
[11:44] <m4gnu5> it says there are no drivers in use in this system ...
[11:44] <iain> hmm doing a bit of reading... with hardy it doesn't really look at xorg.conf... so now my question is where does it look for its configuration and how do I check to see that 3d acceleration is working right?
[11:46] <recon69> ﻿m4gnu5: and did you install nvidia-glx-new drivers in synaptic
[11:46] <m4gnu5> there are 3 nvidia-packages now: nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-glx-new ... ?
[11:46] <m4gnu5> i installed the new one
[11:46] <ChaosParser> iain: That's a lie.  I just to edit the xorg after and update because it decided that GDM should be at some absurd resolution.
[11:47] <ChaosParser> iain: *had to
[11:48] <m4gnu5> without xorg.conf it works with 1024x768 and without 3d
[11:48] <m4gnu5> nv works with 1280x768 o.O
[11:48] <m4gnu5> nvidia doesnt work
[11:48] <frej> anyone having problems with keyboard mappings (recent update)... ?
[11:49] <frej> my arrows are doing layout switching instead of.... being arrows (up,right.....)
[11:50] <recon69> ﻿ iain: you can try glxinfo
[11:50] <frej> ie, Right arrows has keycode 102 but it's mapped to MUHE (Muhenkan)
[11:50] <iain> okay... I think I'll have to add in something about the intel chip then in xorg.conf... still kinda annoying... I'd just like to know why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only lets me adjust my keyboard and nothing else...
[11:51] <recon69> ﻿iain: are you getting any gnome-setting errors when your system starts?
[11:53] <iain> recon69 I'm using kubuntu 8.04 with kde4 and I don't see any errors in any of the logs...
[11:54] <iain> here is what glxinfo is reporting:
[11:54] <iain> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62625/
[11:55] <Pelo> morning folks,  I upgraded to the beta last night , and I have a couple of questions
[11:55] <Pelo> 1- where are by bookmarks in firefox ?
[11:56] <Pelo> 2- what hapened to cups , I can't open the manager ?
[11:57] <pleaseandthankyo> what are police there for really(i am sure more than half is not enforcing governmental laws)? how to get on the side of the police when encountered? should i pay money to the police/tip whenever they shows up or in advance?
[11:59] <jimiridge> wtf
[11:59] <dns53> hmm do you want a real answer or are you just bored
[12:00] <jimiridge> my fav cop movie is "hot fuzz"
[12:00] <dns53> got the hd version cheap
[12:00] <Pelo> pleaseandthankyo, policemen like to know you are on their side , you can show them you are on their side by showing them that you "also" have a gun just like them , when you see a policeman just put out your gun very quickly to show it to him
[12:01] <jimiridge> yeah you should always keep a gun within sight
[12:01]  * Pelo realy wants to know wht happened to his bookmarks in firefox, are they gone forever or are they still safe somewhere 
[12:01] <muszek_> sshd on my VPS (running hardy - dist-upgraded from some really small "gutsy minimal" image) is not starting by default... how do I make it so that it initializes on the boot up?
[12:02] <recon69> ﻿iain: that glx dont look right, but not an expert. had a similar problem with my nvidia 6800. the driver was not loading correctly because xserver.xgl was installed. this caused the screen-resolution to not be reported, which caused gnome-setting-daemon to crash, which the caused the keyboard to be setup incorrectly. so not sure but you might want to try removing xserver.xgl  and run glxinfo and see if it changes.
[12:02] <dns53> Pelo well bookmarks are in the .mozilla directory, you could have somehow created another profile
[12:03] <Pelo> dns53,  ~/.mozilla ?
[12:04] <dns53> Pelo yes, if you have 2 folders in ~./mozilla/firefox you have 2 profiles
[12:04] <Pelo> dns53,  I havwe like 5 . beats me where they come from
[12:05] <dns53> Pelo try running firefox-3.0 -ProfileManager
[12:06] <Pelo> dns53, which I find where ?
[12:06] <dns53> in a terminal, this would cause a window to come up where you select your profile
[12:07] <Pelo> only has the one "default" profile in it
[12:09] <dns53> well the bookmarks are in the profile directory as the file bookmarks.html
[12:10] <Pelo> dns53, i,m deleting the other *** default folders and leaving the one with the most stuff in it,  I'll see what happens
[12:10] <pleaseandthankyo> Pelo are policeman trained like soldiers?
[12:10] <recon69> ﻿iain: and i notice that you server glx is 1.4 while you client xgl is 1.2 from glxinfo , not sure what that means though :)
[12:10] <Pelo> pleaseandthankyo,  no policemen are trained to help ppl with words and love
[12:11] <dns53> well you could edit the profiles.ini, or rename the other profiles to the active name and start it
[12:13] <Pelo> dns53, I checked in profile.ini,  the profile listed is the correct one , the boot marks just aren't getting loaded,  any bookmarks, I'm starting to wonder if the problem isn'T eslewhere ,
[12:14] <dns53> you using any bookmark extensions?
[12:15] <dns53> try launcing firefox in safe mode, firefox -safe-mode
[12:15] <Pelo> dns53, not that I am aware of ,  i've just tried  manageing bookmarks and restoring backup and nothing , even tried importing them from the .html file and nada
[12:16] <dns53> well load the html file in the browser and recreate it again
[12:17] <Pelo> dns53, that's my last options,  I have about 100 links in there
[12:18] <Pelo> at leasst now I know they are safe
[12:20] <cwillu> Pelo, what's going on?
[12:21] <Pelo> cwillu, just upgraded to hardy beta,  no bookmarks in FF , file is still there but no bookmarks in the browser
[12:21] <Pelo> cwillu, cna't import them back, can't restore the backups , nada
[12:21] <cwillu> were you using 3.0 before?
[12:21] <dns53> are you switching between firefox 2 and 3 a lot?
[12:22] <Pelo> cwillu, no 2.0 I think I just upgraded from gutsy default
[12:22] <cwillu> the 3.0 beta in gutsy did weird things with the profile that isn't quite handled right in hardy in my experience
[12:22] <cwillu> Pelo, does it let you make new bookmarks?
[12:23] <Pelo> trying now
[12:23] <cwillu> (note that they won't necessarily show up in the bookmarks tab, just hit the star thingy and tell me if it's still lit on that site after a ff restart
[12:23] <Pelo> cwillu,  no it is not letting me bookmark
[12:23] <Pelo> cwillu, star thingy ?
[12:24] <cwillu> in the url bar
[12:25] <Pelo> you mean the timer thing ?
[12:25] <cwillu> the star, on the right side of the url bar
[12:25] <cwillu> to the left of the drop-down arrow
[12:26] <Pelo> cwillu, yeah the timer spinner ,  nothing happens, can't bookmark
[12:26] <Pelo> my history is still there tho
[12:26] <cwillu> it's not the timer spinner, it's a 5 pointed star
[12:27] <cwillu> make sure you have a page open, not going to another url or anything
[12:27] <cwillu> if you don't see a star on the right side of the url bar, then I don't think you're running 3.0, which is really really odd if you're running hardy
[12:27]  * Pelo looks closer ,  cwillu  is correct , it's a pentacle,
[12:28] <cwillu> lol
[12:28] <cwillu> if you click on that, does it light up?
[12:28] <Pelo> I see the star,  nothing I happens when I click on it
[12:28] <Pelo> I do get a finger mouse arrow but that is it
[12:28] <cwillu> it doesn't turn yellow?
[12:28] <Pelo> cwillu, no change at all
[12:28] <dns53> can you write a file to the profile directory? are you out of disk space?
[12:29] <cwillu> Pelo, close firefox, check your free disk space, and then run firefox -P, make a new profile, and see if it still acts weird
[12:29] <Pelo> cwillu,  the lastpage I had up also had RSS in it , that little icon in the url bar bring up the regular rss page for that page
[12:30] <Pelo> I have mor ethen enough diskspace
[12:30] <cwillu> okay, then just do the close and launch via firefox -P
[12:30] <Pelo> ok well at least now I am getting bookmark
[12:31] <Pelo> s
[12:31] <cwillu> borked profile dir
[12:31] <cwillu> maybe do a recursive chown and chmod on the .firefox/.mozilla dirs, but otherwise, I'd just reimport everything into the new profile
[12:34] <Pelo> created a new profile,  remported bookmarks,  works fine now, Just a bit of reordering todo , thanks
[12:35]  * Pelo wonders if this is how ppl feels when he helps them in the #ubuntu channel,  no wonder they are so greatefull 
[12:35] <cwillu> :)
[12:35]  * cwillu is still waiting to understand :p
[12:35] <cwillu> I always get the most interesting problems though
[12:36] <cwillu> I'm pretty ecstatic about hardy though, other than this config_fair_user_sched debacle in the kernel
[12:36] <Pelo> cwillu, the only way I can get help is to run unstable software  I think we are in the same boat
[12:36] <Pelo> cwillu, config far user shed ?
[12:37]  * Pelo just needs to fix cups now 
[12:37] <cwillu> default process scheduler changed in 2.6.23.  They added process group functionality to it in 2.6.24, and to make sure it got tested, they made sched_fair_user_sched the default
[12:38] <Pelo> ah , I see , over my head stuff
[12:38] <cwillu> it's not the recommended setting though, it's just a half-baked approach that uses the cgroup functionality more than the default cgroup setting (and does it unconfigurably)
[12:38] <cwillu> Pelo, okay
[12:38] <cwillu> simple example :)
[12:38] <cwillu> say you have a task running root
[12:38] <cwillu> it's niced +19
[12:38] <cwillu> say you have another task (say, a video game), running under your account, niced -5
[12:39] <cwillu> if both tasks are trying to peg the cpu, what percentage should each of them get (approximately)
[12:39] <Pelo> cwillu, no problem , you just need to know I'M one of those "shouldn't realy be using linux ppl cause he just doesn't realy get it , realy , deep down"
[12:39] <cwillu> :)
[12:39] <dns53> well they are tweaking with scheduling,with microsoft they are not allowed to touch it at all or something will break, in linux we have flamewars because one may work better than another one
[12:39] <AmiGanguli> Have to run I'm afraid.  Will keep Googling for sound-problem fixes.  Cheers!
[12:39] <Pelo> cwillu, well I can'T tell the % but I knwo that the game should have priority
[12:40] <cwillu> Pelo, exactly
[12:40] <cwillu> Pelo, however, with fair_user_sched, they'll each get exactly 50%
[12:40] <Pelo> ouch
[12:40] <cwillu> nice levels will only affect processes running under the same user
[12:40] <cwillu> and it breaks stuff all over the place (in the 'why is my desktop so laggy' sense)
[12:40] <Pelo> that's not how it is suppose to work as I unsderstand it ,  this bugs me because I have manualy teaked the nice value of some progs
[12:41] <cwillu> sound in at bug 188226
[12:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[12:41] <cwillu> they've set it to the right setting for _every_ kernel flavour except -generic, and even then only on x86
[12:42] <cwillu> they're afraid of regressions, that we're really trying to get them to _revert_ the behaviour to gutsy's behaviour
[12:42] <Pelo> cwillu, lovely , my kernel of choice
[12:43] <jimiridge> i think im currently on a generic kernel
[12:43] <cwillu> one of the mainline linux devs (i.e., not ubuntu or debian) even said as much on the bug report
[12:43] <jimiridge> really want 686
[12:43] <cwillu> jimiridge, almost certainly you are
[12:43] <cwillu> generic is what you want, really
[12:43] <cwillu> you don't want 686 :p
[12:43] <cwillu> really truly
[12:43]  * Pelo knows he's on the generic kernel cause he had to edit grub menu.lst manualy 
[12:43] <limpc> hey. whats happened with the ubuntu 8 release?
[12:43] <cwillu> stuff?  what do you mean?
[12:43] <Jaymac> limpc: it's due out on 24/04 :)
[12:44] <Jaymac> just over 2 weeks
[12:44] <limpc> i see.  it used to be the 4th?
[12:44] <cwillu> never as far as I know
[12:44] <Jaymac> limpc: It has always been the 24th
[12:44] <Pelo> limpc,  I've never heard the 4th
[12:44] <jimiridge> ubuntu.com's index page has a countdown
[12:44] <cwillu> 8.04 != the fourth :p
[12:45] <limpc> 8 isnt april anyway
[12:45] <limpc> :)
[12:45] <Pelo> fourth month
[12:45] <jimiridge> should wait till oct to releaaase it ;)
[12:45] <cwillu> heh
[12:45] <orvokki> Might make sense to talk of 8.04 since if I calculated correctly, Ubuntu+2 is 8.10.
[12:45] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu^2
[12:45] <limpc> i thought their page said the 4th. ah well
[12:45] <orvokki> Which page?
[12:46] <Pelo> just in case no one has seen this yet   http://www.petitiononline.com/RRH53888/petition.html   to stop Uwe Boll
[12:46] <Jaymac> the naming convention of ubuntu is Y.MM
[12:46] <orvokki> Pages are prone to errors. :)
[12:46] <jimiridge> god i  wish there was an easyy way to make debs
[12:46] <jimiridge> the ubuntu general package howto is like a mile long
[12:46] <limpc> orvokki, no idea, lol. i went looking for it but dont see it.  guess im smoking something.
[12:47] <cwillu> jimiridge, checkinstall will kinda work
[12:47] <Jaymac> www.ubuntu.com has a countdown in the top right, if that is what you are looking for
[12:47] <jimiridge> nah checkinstall sux
[12:47] <orvokki> cwillu: You'd probably still have to work out the dependencies yourself though.
[12:47] <flipstar> where do i find the kernel patches for ubuntu? (that are made to the ubuntu-kernel)
[12:47] <cwillu> jimiridge, but there's a reason why debs are complicated, because making things install and uninstall properly is complicated :)
[12:47] <orvokki> Checkinstall is a nice basis.
[12:48] <cwillu> flipstar, linux-source should be up to date
[12:48] <flipstar> it is..but no ubuntu patches there..
[12:48] <cwillu> flipstar, uH?
[12:48] <orvokki> Does Ubuntu even patch its kernels?
[12:48] <cwillu> ya, there is
[12:49] <flipstar> i want to try 2.6.25..but need the ubuntu patches for that
[12:49] <orvokki> !info linux-source
[12:49] <ubotu> linux-source (source: linux-meta): Linux kernel source with Ubuntu patches. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.15.17 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[12:49] <orvokki> flipstar: There might be none available.
[12:51] <cwillu> Pelo, oh ya, and root is a bit special by default too, it actually would get 2/3's of the cpu :p
[12:51] <recon69> should I be worried that a lot of my packages cant be verified , the kernal was one example?
[12:51] <orvokki> Isn't 2.6.24 the one that will get to Hardy anyway?
[12:51] <Pelo> cwillu, lovely,
[12:51] <orvokki> So I consider it possible there *are* no Ubuntu patches for 2.6.25.
[12:52] <cwillu> orvokki, there might be something in the ubuntu git repo
[12:52] <esox> Hi, will an update from gutsy to hardy make changes to udev rules ?
[12:52] <flipstar> hm there are not general?
[12:52] <dns53> recon69 well you could just use the ubuntu source instead of a mirror, i would not worry myself
[12:53] <cwillu> recon69, can't be verified usually means they've been replaced
[12:53] <cwillu> recon69, does it still do it after you recheck for updates?
[12:53] <m4gnu5> o.O
[12:53] <m4gnu5> am too stuid for nvidia :D
[12:53] <cwillu> esox, myself, I'd be surprised if they didn't
[12:54] <recon69> ﻿m4gnu5: did you get the driver working?
[12:54] <m4gnu5> no...
[12:55] <m4gnu5> may i install another driver ?
[12:55] <esox> cwillu: that's what's I'm afraid of... I tried an install and after I couldn't plug and run my usb midibox
[12:56] <dns53> m4gnu5 well there are 3 versions of the driver, nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-legacy, nvidia-glx-new
[12:56] <Pelo> later folks thanks for the help ( specialy cwillu )
[12:56] <cwillu> if you had a rule that worked before, you should be able to add it easily enough
[12:56] <cwillu> Pelo, later
[12:56] <esox> cwillu: but I did exactly the same workaround that what I did to run it on gutsy. No success
[12:56] <m4gnu5> i guess - it won't be legacy with 6150 ...
[12:56] <esox> cwillu: well, I added and corrected it, but didn't work...
[12:56] <m4gnu5> glx says it is for geforce4 and glx-new for "newer" cards o.O
[12:58] <esox> cwillu: also, I use the option "SWCursor" "yes" on xorg to solve a pointer corruption issue. If I do that on closed driver on hardy, X doesnt start...
[12:58] <cwillu> esox, got an xorg log for that?
[12:58] <cwillu> esox, bug reports are useful :)
[12:58] <dns53> run nvidia-xconfig to regenerate your xorg.conf
[12:59] <m4gnu5> magnus@aldi:~$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |grep EE
[12:59] <m4gnu5> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[12:59] <m4gnu5> it seems i have the wrong driver?
[13:00] <marijus> hello, since yesterdays gdm update my log in screen has a much to big resolution... anyone knows where i can adjust this???
[13:00] <esox> cwillu: well, I removed hardy to go back to gutsy... But I noticed that xorg.conf had a totally different syntax
[13:01] <dns53> m4gnu5 have you rebooted after upgrading the kernel?
[13:01] <m4gnu5> yep - three times... every time i tried another driver ...
[13:02] <m4gnu5> on 7.10 x worked out of the box :-/
[13:02] <dns53> delete your xorg.conf, run nvidia-xconfig and try it again
[13:02] <m4gnu5> that doesnt work
[13:03] <cwillu> esox, well
[13:03] <cwillu> esox, I guess, good luck if you update in two weeks?  Can't really do much if you're not running it :)
[13:04] <m4gnu5> hm - nvidia-xconfig creates a XF86Config .. ??
[13:04] <dns53> m4gnu5 yes
[13:04] <m4gnu5> should i rename this one to xorg.conf ??
[13:04] <esox> cwillu: but I did that install from hardy-studio CD. Maybe if I update my gutsy config it will keep all working...
[13:07] <esox> If I update to hardy, will it keep all may wacom stuf in xorg ?
[13:07] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[13:08] <pleaseandthankyo> why is it hard to admit that i'm being bullied?
[13:08] <MilhousePunkRock> I updated my Kubuntu desktop to Hardy lately, so far so good. I do have a few problems though, at least one of them should be solveable.
[13:09] <MilhousePunkRock> I updated my Kubuntu desktop to Hardy lately, so far so good. I do have a few problems though, at least one of them should be solveable.?
[13:09] <cwillu> !repeat
[13:09] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[13:10] <cwillu> and !ask
[13:10] <cwillu> !ask
[13:10] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[13:10] <MilhousePunkRock> cwillu: Ouch, looks like I hit the arrow up instead of enter, sorry...
[13:10] <m4gnu5> the config of nvidia-xconfig doesnt work
[13:11] <MilhousePunkRock> 1. How do I make Konqueror the default manager instead of Dolphin (possibly without uninstalling Dolphin)?
[13:11] <recon69> ﻿m4gnu5: why dont youpost you current xorg.conf to the paste bin, might give some clues
[13:11] <MilhousePunkRock> cwillu: That's my new keyboard's fault, the arrow keys are directly under the enter key ;)
[13:12] <m4gnu5> kk
[13:13] <jaffarkelshac> how do i find out which modules my wireless card is using
[13:13] <m4gnu5> http://pastebin.com/m348d22b5
[13:17] <recon69> ﻿m4gnu5: try back up you xorg.conf and run dexconf , then restart you gdm . might help
[13:20] <m4gnu5> k i try
[13:22] <m4gnu5> that doesnt work... i guess its something with the driver ... ???
[13:23] <recon69> ﻿ m4gnu5: well, you should really have a driver listed in system->admin->hardware drivers
[13:24] <m4gnu5> there is none
[13:26] <recon69> ﻿m4gnu5: well i feel your pain, took me a couple of days before i found what was causing my nvidia glx problem.
[13:26] <m4gnu5> :-/
[13:28] <m4gnu5> it worked great with 7.10
[13:28] <m4gnu5> i did an upgrade to 8.4 yesterday and X is broken :-/
[13:29] <x0x> hey
[13:29] <x0x> can anyone help me with cpanel?
[13:29] <recon69> !ask
[13:29] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[13:30] <x0x> i installed cpanel using apt-get install cpanel
[13:31] <x0x> now what to do?
[13:31] <Dr_willis> read its docs? run the program?
[13:31] <Dr_willis> !info cpanel
[13:31] <ubotu> Package cpanel does not exist in hardy
[13:31] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. is the bot confused again?
[13:32] <x0x> where do i get the doc or how to run it?
[13:33] <Dr_willis> most programs put docs in /usr/share/docs/PROGRMNAME
[13:33] <Dr_willis> try 'cpanel' at a shell? I dont even know 2what cpanel is
[13:33] <ikonia> fingers crossed cpannel doesn't exist in hardy
[13:33] <jtravnick> x0x you where given the link in ubuntu
[13:33] <ikonia> cpannel is a poor webinterface
[13:33] <ikonia> for people who need web gui's to manage servers
[13:33] <ikonia> nice big security holes
[13:34] <Dr_willis> !webmin
[13:34] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead.
[13:34] <x0x> http://67.159.16.35:2020 < webmin
[13:35] <x0x> is on ubuntu :D
[13:35] <Dr_willis> You may want to tyr out ebox.
[13:35] <muszek_> I haven't messed with email server for two years and now I need to install postfix... has it gotten any easier since then thanks to some tools? (last time I ate most of my hair)
[13:35] <Dr_willis> webmin is easially installed on about any disrto from source.
[13:35] <x0x> Dr_willis how to install it?
[13:35] <x0x> lol yeah
[13:35] <Dr_willis> x0x,  ebox? well like the factoid said see '!ebox'  I imagine its apt-get install ebox
[13:35] <muszek_> x0x: sudo apt-get install webmin
[13:35] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:35] <Dr_willis> webmin is NOT in the repos
[13:36] <Jaymac> I just got a usb stick.. when I plug it in, it mounts directly to /media/disk - is there any easy way of changing the name of the directory it mount to?
[13:36] <muszek_> oh...
[13:36] <x0x> i do have webmin
[13:36] <m4gnu5> i guess i need "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24" right? but i have it 3 time o.O
[13:36] <Dr_willis> Jaymac,  give it a proper 'name/label' under windows - might do it.. or under gnome, right click on it, check its properties. theres some tabs you can set some info/settings for that I recall.
[13:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Jaymac: I think, if you bring up the properties from the context menu, you can change the mountpoint
[13:37] <Dr_willis> x0x,  if using webmin you really SHOULD not allow access to it from the internet.  Set it to allow Localhost only connections.
[13:37] <x0x> Dr_willis lol that is my dedicated server :D
[13:37] <x0x> take a look
[13:37] <x0x> http://67.159.16.35:2020/
[13:37] <x0x> is webmin
[13:38] <ikonia> x0x: nice security holes
[13:38] <Dr_willis> x0x,  i  know what webmin is and how it looks.
[13:38] <Dr_willis> Im saying its a VERY VERY VERY bad idea to have it open to the internet like that.
[13:38] <ikonia> concur
[13:39] <x0x> how do i access if i am from remote?
[13:39] <muszek_> nah, just set root's password to something tricky, like "password" and you'll be fine ;)
[13:39] <dns53> how did you guess my password?
[13:39] <x0x> lol
[13:39] <Jaymac> Dr_willis: got it, thanks... it's got an annoying label too... looks like another boot into windows is needed :(
[13:41] <recon69> ﻿m4gnu5: well if not installed install the one with the ubuntu symbol beside it
[13:41] <Dr_willis> x0x,  i would ssh in then access it.
[13:44] <Dr_willis> Jaymac,  i noticed the gnome-properties way the other day. but it can cause some other issues. its best to set a nice name for it.
[13:46] <x0x> what is cacti?
[13:46] <_ruben> www.cacti.net
[13:47] <Pici> x0x: snmp polling system that plots on rrd graphs.
[13:48] <x0x> ok
[13:48] <x0x> i am installed it now what will be my user name?
[13:48] <x0x> and password :s
[13:48] <Dr_willis> I think we are back to reading the programs docs and information.
[13:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:49] <x0x> lol
[13:50] <sivel27> good morning all
[13:54] <x0x> dbc_authmethod_admin=""
[13:54] <x0x> dbc_authmethod_user=""
[13:54] <x0x> may i put it login info here?
[13:54] <m4gnu5> if i boot a 386-kernel i can choose the restricted nvidia-driver o.O but there works only 1 cpu-core
[13:54] <m4gnu5> but the restricted modules for x86/x86_64 are installed too
[13:55] <Dr_willis> you dont want the 386 kernel.
[13:55] <Dr_willis> you most likely want the -generic kernel
[13:56] <x0x> Dr_willis help me with login
[13:56] <x0x> ;s i cant find login name and password
[13:56] <Dr_willis> x0x,  you want me to help you with a program you just installed.. that i have NEVER used.. and you have not read its docs yet?
[13:56] <Dr_willis> I dont think thats going to happen. I aint reading the docs for you.
[13:57] <x0x> ok tell me how to read the doc?
[13:57] <x0x> where is the doc located at
[13:57] <Dr_willis> as i said eearlier - MOST programs from the repos put docs in /usr/share/PROGRAMNAME, or look at the programs homepage.
[13:57] <x0x> ok
[13:58] <Dr_willis> if all else fails update the locate databasem and use 'locate pattern' to find what the program putwhere. and what docs it may have.
[13:58] <Pici> x0x: http://docs.cacti.net/ too
[14:02] <thompa> anyone know if 2.6.24-15-generic is going to be last kernel update/
[14:02] <x0x> tnx Pici
[14:03] <thompa> asking because of some drivers that are incorporated in 2.6.25, which i dont want
[14:03] <x0x> ergh
[14:03] <x0x> now i cant see graphs images :S
[14:05] <m4gnu5> under system -> hardware-driver is no nvidia listed... o.O
[14:05] <m4gnu5> but i have installed the restricted modules...
[14:06] <Jaymac> one more usb question... I have the stick mounted at /media/usb_stick... no problem there - i'm unable to sync it with unison due to permissions errors...
[14:06] <mheath> thompa: IIRC, the kernel freezing policy makes it so they won't upgrade to .25
[14:06] <setuid> No major breakage today?
[14:06] <mheath> thompa: There may be more updates to .24 (Ie, a .24-16, -17), etc, but upgrading to new kernel versions requires a big reason now.
[14:07] <setuid> This damn keyboard issue is driving me *MAD*!! I have to switch the keyboard from 105 to 104 and back at least 200 times a day.
[14:07] <setuid> Just had to do it again... arg!!
[14:07] <m4gnu5> may it works with a brand new install ??
[14:08] <thompa> mheath: i thought so good. cause i have some acer acpi stuff i had to build which is backported and in .25, so i dont want to start over
[14:09] <thompa> anyway atheros ar5006 and 5007eg work if you disable all the restricted hardware stuff and install madwifi plus the patch
[14:18] <tomahasamoot> The version of kVIrc that's packaged for 8.04 is old and buggy... the guyies at #kvirc are saying use 3.4
[14:19] <Pici> !info kvirc
[14:19] <ubotu> kvirc (source: kvirc): KDE based next generation IRC client with module support. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.2.4-5.1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 3038 kB, installed size 9136 kB
[14:20] <clarezoe> can anyone tell what does this mean? I use iwconfig and then comes this "lo        no wireless extensions.
[14:20] <clarezoe> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[14:20] <clarezoe> "
[14:23] <recon69> ﻿clarezoe : well eth0 would likely be a wired ethernet connection , you should have a wlan0 as you wireless card. try ifconfig to see what interfaces you have
[14:24] <clarezoe> recon69, there's a eth0:avahi Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:17:08:2d:71:04
[14:24] <clarezoe>           inet addr:169.254.2.135  Bcast:169.254.255.255  Mask:255.255.0.0, but I'm using wireless now
[14:25] <Terrasque> clarezoe: thats just a virtual interface attached to your normal ethernet card.
[14:26] <clarezoe> Terrasque, OK, I have virtual box, but I don't have it running, I didn't see it before
[14:27] <clarezoe> and I can't see the wireless signals by the nm-applet as before, I don't what was wrong
[14:28] <Terrasque> its not your virtual box, its just a virtual interface for the avahi system
[14:31] <clarezoe> Terrasque, thanks but what is the avahi system?
[14:32] <dns53> avahi provides zeroconf for linux, it allows things like itunes music sharing (daap) to be discovered
[14:33] <Terrasque> clarezoe: a system for automated network communication. Also known as zeroconf or Rendezvous
[14:35] <clarezoe> dns53, Terrasque, I don't have to do anything with it, I don't know why I have it and how to use it. Just leave it right?
[14:35] <clarezoe> my problem is now I can't see the wireless signals with the nm-applet as before
[14:36] <Terrasque> clarezoe: iwconfig shows nothing?
[14:37] <dns53> well you can use zeroconf to get an ip address without using dhcp, you can also discover things like ssh, ftp and vnc
[14:37] <clarezoe> Terrasque, it shows " lo        no wireless extensions.
[14:37] <clarezoe> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[14:37] <clarezoe> eth1      IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"NOMAD"
[14:37] <Terrasque> eth1 is your wireless interface then
[14:38] <clarezoe> dns53, thanks, I'll try to know more about it later :)
[14:38] <andre>  someone can help me my screen is set to 800x600 in ubuntu 8.04, i used 1024x768, but xrandr tell me that i just can use 800x600
[14:39] <Terrasque> clarezoe: does it show any more data? my iwconfig shows things like signal level, noise level and link quality
[14:39] <clarezoe> Terrasque,  IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"NOMAD"
[14:39] <clarezoe>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: 00:15:F9:6C:40:D0
[14:39] <clarezoe>           Bit Rate:24 Mb/s   Tx-Power=20 dBm   Sensitivity=8/0
[14:39] <clarezoe>           Retry limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[14:39] <clarezoe>           Power Management:off
[14:39] <clarezoe>           Link Quality=64/100  Signal level=-55 dBm  Noise level=-88 dBm
[14:39] <clarezoe>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[14:39] <clarezoe>           Tx excessive retries:2  Invalid misc:3845   Missed beacon:10
[14:39] <jussio1> !paste | clarezoe
[14:39] <Pici> !paste | clarezoe
[14:39] <ubotu> clarezoe: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[14:40] <andre>  someone can help me my screen is set to 800x600 in ubuntu 8.04, i used 1024x768, but xrandr tell me that i just can use 800x600
[14:40] <Terrasque> clarezoe: uhm yes.. pastebin things like that. Anyway, the card reads off signal strength fine, so I would hazard a guess that the problem lies in nm-applet-
[14:41] <Lynoure> andre: Do you have other resolution defined in you xorg.conf?
[14:41] <andre> lynoure my xorg.conf does not have any line about resolutions :S
[14:42] <andre> let me show u
[14:42] <clarezoe> Terrasque, I've tried to use wicd on Sunday it removed my network manager, but it didn't work, so I removed wicd and reinstalled network manager again, then I got problems
[14:43] <Terrasque> clarezoe: tried uninstalling (with purge) and reinstalling network-manager?
[14:43] <andre> lynoure i have input device, device, monitor, screen, endsection, the identifier for all is default
[14:43] <Lynoure> andre: you could try reconfiguring xserver...
[14:44] <andre> how ?
[14:44] <clarezoe> Terrasque, will it cut off my network then, libnl1  network-manager-gnome will be removed too
[14:45] <Lynoure> andre: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -f xserver-xorg
[14:46] <LjL> my KSysGuard doesn't seem to list the sensors for CPU temperatures and fan speeds anymore after upgrading to Hardy, although "sensors" in a console still shows them as usual. what gives?
[14:46] <andre> Lynoure, ok thanks, ill try it now, but before, do u know if i got this problem coz of xrandr ?
[14:47] <sivel27> i have absolutely no sound on my laptop, much less my usb headseat, and its driveing me nuts
[14:48] <mluser-work> Anyone know if there are still problems with the 'Human List' gdm theme?
[14:48] <Terrasque> clarezoe: you can configure the wireless interface via command line too. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo - WPA Supplicant part there
[14:48] <Pelo> morning ,  anyone experiencing issues with wine and the notification area ?
[14:49]  * Pelo will never ever ever do beta again 
[14:49] <andre> Lynoure, debconf: falha ao inicializar frontend: Xserv-xorg
[14:49] <andre> debconf: (Can't locate Debconf/FrontEnd/Xserv.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 19) line 2.)
[14:49] <andre> debconf: tentando com frontend: Noninteractive
[14:49] <andre> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: especifique um pacote para reconfigurar
[14:49] <Lynoure> andre: I don't know much about xrandr
[14:50] <andre> Lynoure, this last line means "Type a package to reconfigure"
[14:50] <Pici> xserver-xorg, not Xserv-xorg
[14:50] <andre> debconf: tentando com frontend: Noninteractive
[14:50] <sivel27> i have absolutely no sound on my laptop, much less my usb headseat, and its driveing me nuts, any suggestions?
[14:51] <rsk> i wan't to remove evolution but then it also want's to remove gnome-panel and i quite like that app...
[14:51] <rsk> how to go around it?
[14:51] <clarezoe> Terrasque, thanks
[14:51] <andre> Pici, for both i got the same message
[14:51] <sivel27> what do you use for an email client?
[14:52] <rsk> gmail :-)
[14:52] <sivel27> web based?
[14:52] <rsk> yes
[14:52] <andre> :~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure -f xserver-xorg
[14:52] <andre> debconf: falha ao inicializar frontend: Xserver-xorg
[14:52] <andre> debconf: (Can't locate Debc
[14:53] <Lynoure> andre: oh, sorry, --force  instead of -f
[14:53] <andre> ok ;) let me try
[14:53] <andre> use framebuffer ?
[14:53] <andre> from kernel ?
[14:54] <Lynoure> When unsure, default should be pretty safe
[14:54] <sivel27> any fixes for sound on a laptop, intel ich6 snd chipset?
[14:55] <rsk> sivel27: what kind of fix?
[14:55] <sivel27> to make the sound work
[14:55] <rsk> and it dosen't are you using the latest update for kernel?
[14:56] <sivel27> are you talking to me rsk?
[14:56] <rsk> yes
[14:56] <sivel27> i guess not
[14:56] <rsk> what?
[14:56] <sivel27> what was your question?
[14:56] <rsk> how can my answear 'yes' be intrepited else
[14:56] <rsk> my question was
[14:57] <rsk> and it dosen't? you using the latest update for kernel?
[14:57] <nonix4> Hmm, any chances to get E8xxx cpus supported w/ coretemp? (haven't updated to generic kernel .28 yet, on .26 atm; didn't notice that in changelog)
[14:57] <sivel27> yes i am, its running alsaa
[14:57]  * nonix4 ponders whether that'd need anything else besides allowing the cpuid...
[14:57] <rsk> ok afaik there's some fixes on the wiki
[14:57] <rsk> try that for starters
[14:57] <LjL> would the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/status from the live cd's casper/filesystem.squashfs be an accurate representation of what's installed by default?
[14:58] <Pelo> wine ? tray icon ? anyone ?
[14:58] <andre> Lynoure, same thing till now :( i restarted my X and just see 800x600
[14:59] <andre> in the xorg.conf i have Section "Screen"
[14:59] <andre>         Identifier      "Default Screen"
[14:59] <andre>         Monitor         "Configured Monitor"
[14:59] <andre>         Device          "Configured Video Device"
[14:59] <andre> EndSection
[15:00] <Lynoure> andre: you could pastebin your whole xorg.conf
[15:00] <andre> ok
[15:00] <recon69> ﻿andre: you probably running the default drivers and they only do 800/600 screen.
[15:01] <Lynoure> recon69: Which drivers do that badly nowadays?
[15:02] <andre> recon69, it happend after i get up to date it looks like xrandr was installed here
[15:03] <andre> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[15:03] <andre> # again, run the following command:
[15:03] <andre> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[15:03] <andre> Section "InputDevice"
[15:03] <andre> 	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
[15:03] <andre> 	Driver		"kbd"
[15:03] <andre> 	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
[15:03] <andre> 	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc105"
[15:03] <andre> 	Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
[15:03] <andre> 	Option		"XkbVariant"	"teclado"
[15:03] <andre> EndSection
[15:03] <andre> Section "InputDevice"
[15:03] <andre> 	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
[15:03] <andre> 	Driver		"vmmouse"
[15:03] <andre> EndSection
[15:03] <andre> Section "Device"
[15:03] <recon69> ﻿andre: use the paste bin
[15:03] <andre> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[15:03] <andre> 	Option		"UseFBDev"		"true"
[15:03] <andre> EndSection
[15:03] <andre> Section "Monitor"
[15:03] <andre> 	Identifier	"Configured Monitor"
[15:03] <andre> EndSection
[15:03] <andre> Section "Screen"
[15:03] <andre> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[15:03] <andre> 	Monitor		"Configured Monitor"
[15:03] <andre> 	Device		"Configured Video Device"
[15:03] <andre> EndSection
[15:03] <andre> Section "ServerLayout"
[15:03] <andre> 	Identifier	"Default Layout"
[15:03] <andre> 	Screen		"Default Screen"
[15:03] <andre> EndSection
[15:04] <andre> recon69, i am sorry i am new here i dont know what means "paste bin"
[15:04] <recon69> !pastebin
[15:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[15:05] <andre> nice
[15:06] <andre> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62641/
[15:09] <catweazle> andre: with fbdev is not so good, what gfx chipset is it?
[15:10] <sivel27> well, i didnt find anything useful as far as a fix is concerned
[15:11] <andre> uhm just a minute
[15:11] <catweazle> is it a VM?
[15:11] <andre> yes
[15:11] <andre> it is
[15:11] <andre> i think i was using VESA i dont know
[15:12] <gluer> i have one of those logitech bluetooth keyboards, when i first boot ubuntu, i have to wait at login prompt for around 30 sec until the KB starts working, anyway to fix this?
[15:12] <adred> hi, i am currently using gutsy. how do i upgrade to hardy?
[15:12] <dns53> adred check the links in the channel topic
[15:12] <zniavre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto
[15:13] <BadRobot> does anyone knows if Eee Pc 701 supports Ubuntu Hardy_
[15:13] <BadRobot> ?
[15:13] <DooMRunneR> hi
[15:14] <dns53> BadRobot using it currently on my eee, the wireless does not work so use a different kernel
[15:14] <andre> catweazle, my motherb is a8vvm-ultra asus
[15:14] <DooMRunneR> someone in here who had installed hardy under vmware6?
[15:14] <DooMRunneR> i cant compile the kernel modules for the vmware-tools
[15:14] <andre> catweazle, i think my chipset is not suportted i am not sure, but in 7.10 was fine
[15:14] <recon69> ﻿adred: well hardy is beta , might not be the best thing for you to upgrade to just yet. it released in about 2 week anyway
[15:14] <BadRobot> ok
[15:15] <ningbo> irc.freenode.net
[15:15] <dns53> as always ~100mb daily of updates
[15:15] <ningbo> i recently made a clean install to hardy heron, i did the same thing for WPA as for gutsy but it doesn't work now, any suggestions?
[15:15] <catweazle> andre: it gives you only the hardware from the VM
[15:16] <aguitel> ningbo: what card?
[15:16] <ningbo> aguitel how can I tell? I forgot
[15:16] <andre> catweazle, how can i procede now?
[15:16] <aguitel> lspci
[15:17] <catweazle> andre: what VM you use?
[15:17] <ningbo> 06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[15:17] <ningbo> 07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8036 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 15)
[15:17] <ningbo> 09:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 Cardbus Controller
[15:17] <aguitel> ningbo: do you have icon in the bar?
[15:18] <ningbo> aguitel: yes, i downloaded ca-certificates and put in the same settings i did in gutsy for the network manager
[15:19] <andre> catweazle, my lspci http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62643/
[15:20] <savvas> hardy + hp laserjet P1006 = awesome :)
[15:20] <andre>  VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 [Chrome9] Integ
[15:20] <andre> rated Video (rev 01)
[15:20] <gluer> hardy + hp laserjet P3005N = awesome +1
[15:29] <zerodamage> Does anyone know what day this month hardy will be officially released?  Seems like it is taking longer than normal for a release candidate to show up and there still be time to release the final.
[15:31] <Sergeant_Pony> 24th
[15:33] <Ayabara> !restricted
[15:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[15:33] <ryrules1> will my bcm43xx wireless card support injection in heron
[15:33] <ryrules1> and how would i go about supporting injection in heron i used a patch in gusty
[15:34] <ryrules1> ?
[15:35] <ryrules1> anyone?
[15:35] <Ayabara> do I still need the w32codecs to play some wmv files? mplayer throws "Cannot find codec 'dvaudio' in libavcodec" at me
[15:36] <h3sp4wn_> Possibly - I haven't needed it for ages
[15:36] <ryrules1> can anyone see what im writing?
[15:36] <ryrules1> or no
[15:36] <ryrules1> ?
[15:36] <andre> Lynoure, catweazle i still have the problem guys :( any sugestions ?
[15:36] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm... I did 120 updates this morning and now hal is red in restricted drivers even tho it's enabled. Any ideas?
[15:37] <zniavre> you should install linux-restricted-module with good kernell
[15:37] <Sergeant_Pony> explain... everything is working the way it's supposed to with no issues
[15:38] <mon^rch> hello, i'm having problems with ff and flash... anybody else?
[15:39] <mon^rch> Firefox could not install this item because "install-0vr..rdf"
[15:39] <Lynoure> andre: I don't even understand why you need xrandr in a virtual machine, so I don't think I'll be much help here
[15:39]  * Lynoure tries to do only fun support :)
[15:40] <andre> Lynoure, i do not need xrandr in a virtual machine :S i just did last update in 8.04 and my screen resolution got like that
[15:40] <andre> xrandr is the new screen manager for ubuntu is not it ?
[15:42] <hackel> Does anyone know how to configure a sound device for qemu with virt-manager / libvirt?
[15:42] <andre> quit
[15:45] <NBrepresent> Hi, just checking, the disclaimer 'not for production use' is no longer in effect after April 24?
[15:47] <orvokki> :D
[15:51] <omar> can I install the xfce on Ubuntu?
[15:51] <h3sp4wn_> omar: yep
[15:51] <h3sp4wn_> omar: depending on what you want - probably the minimum would be the xfce4 metapackage
[15:52] <omar> h3sp4wn: Uh-huh okay, but what about the advanced one?
[15:54] <h3sp4wn_> omar: if you want xfce made to look (badly) like a second rate gnome then you can get xubuntu-desktop
[15:55] <NET||abuse> is it possible to take a new vista laptop, 160GB drive (I have it a week and 80GB used), install ubuntu and resize the vista image down to 100GB, use 60 for ubuntu and dual boot that way?
[15:55] <NET||abuse> the resize is the big issue to start with
[15:55] <NET||abuse> then i'd like to be able to run vista as a vm inside ubuntu
[15:56] <h3sp4wn_> I am not sure that gparted deals with the vista ntfs yet
[15:56] <NET||abuse> live from the other partition, or be able to just boot into that parition where needed?
[15:56] <fluteflute> NET||abuse: almost certainly first part yes, vm unlikely
[15:56] <NET||abuse> yeh, that was my first concern
[15:56] <omar> h3sp4wn: Can I just install it by just typing : sudo apt-get install xfce4 ?
[15:57] <NET||abuse> the ntfs with vista, i'm not sure how updated/different it is to XP ntfs?
[15:57] <h3sp4wn_> omar: yep
[15:57] <h3sp4wn_> omar: then just select xfce4 from the session choices
[15:57] <DanaG> Vista can resize itself, to a point.
[15:57] <DanaG> Look in disk management.
[15:57] <mluser-work> Anyone know if the 'Human List' gdm theme is still broken?
[15:57] <omar> h3sp4wn: Uh-huh okay, so it's the same as kde4, right? :D
[15:58] <h3sp4wn_> omar: In what respect ?
[15:58] <nemo> NET||abuse: the one thing you will run into with vista is you will need to use the vista boot manager
[15:58] <fluteflute> NET||abuse: you could resize beforehand inside Vista: http://vistarewired.com/2007/02/16/how-to-resize-a-partition-in-windows-vista/
[15:58] <omar> h3sp4wn: With respect to inta
[15:58] <omar> h3sp4wn: With respect to inta
[15:58] <nemo> NET||abuse: !@#$ vista clobbers the boot manager at random unless your bios has boot sector protection
[15:58] <omar> h3sp4wn: With respect to installation*** ><
[15:58] <h3sp4wn_> omar: Yep
[15:58] <nemo> NET||abuse: that, or you don't mind carrying grub around on a CD
[15:59] <h3sp4wn_> NET||abuse: Or a usbkey
[15:59] <omar> h3sp4wn: And yead I have a problem, my screenlets , art manager and emesene, are not working.
[16:00] <omar> h3sp4wn: It might be because I tried to upgrade python to version 3.0 alpha
[16:00] <h3sp4wn_> omar: maybe you need the more stuff in xubuntu-desktop then - I dunno much about that stuff though
[16:00] <omar> h3sp4wn: Oh, it's okay. :)
[16:00] <h3sp4wn_> That seems an insane thing to do (Ubuntu uses python for loads of stuff)
[16:01] <omar> h3sp4wn: thanks a lot.
[16:01] <h3sp4wn_> and if its corrupting files you are in a right mess
[16:01] <h3sp4wn_> (I was in a similar situation with perl once)(
[16:01] <omar> h3sp4wn: Yeah I know, but now I got it back to python 2.5 :)
[16:02] <h3sp4wn_> Maybe you are lucky and not much is broken if anything
[16:02] <h3sp4wn_> Why not just put it into /usr/local if you really want to try it
[16:03] <DanaG> My Vista hasn't clobbered the MBR.
[16:03] <nemo> DanaG: my brothers has. repeatedly.
[16:03] <DanaG> It doesn't do it randomly.
[16:03] <DanaG> Odd.
[16:03] <nemo> DanaG: and there was no pattern
[16:03] <nemo> DanaG: he'd run vista for a while, fine.
[16:03] <DanaG> Dang, that's odd.  It's never happened to me.
[16:03] <nemo> DanaG: has happened to him over half a dozen times
[16:04] <Exilant> anyone else here has problems with logging off, shutting down, ctrl-alt-bsing just leading to a black screen? or can point me to a solution. seems to be fglrx related.
[16:04] <nemo> he has gotten dang fast about replacing MBR
[16:04] <nemo> DanaG: it does discourage running Vista :-p
[16:04] <omar> h3sp4wn: yeah, actually I tried to remove python yesterday. and lead me to loosing the gui. :)
[16:04] <nemo> DanaG: if we could only figure out what is different between his vista settings and yours. but with OEM, who friggen' knows.
[16:04] <DanaG> Is it an OEM system?  Perhaps the OEM did something funky.
[16:04] <nemo> DanaG: the problem has been repeatedly covered online though.
[16:04] <DanaG> Mine was OEM with XP; I installed Vista plain from DVD.
[16:04] <omar> but luckily i got it back easily. :)
[16:05] <nonix4> Is there any simple way to check whether "Commit:     ae770152c801f10a91e5e86597a39b5f9ccf2d0d" is being considered for inclusion to hardy kernels?
[16:05] <nemo> DanaG: well. that is one difference I suppose
[16:05] <nemo> DanaG: perhaps you checked off the "Don't be evil" installation checkbox
[16:05] <DanaG> Perhaps there's some recovery partition or BIOS thingy that screws with the MBR.
[16:05] <nemo> DanaG: nope to recovery partition or BIOS thingy
[16:05] <nemo> DanaG: the *vista* boot loader is consistently replaced. the bios is vanilla
[16:06] <nemo> DanaG: and it ONLY happens when he boots vista
[16:06] <nemo> which is one reason he does that less often
[16:06] <nemo> DanaG: again. the problem is well documented
[16:06] <nemo> the only solution is to deal with it, protect your boot sector in bios, or use the vista boot loader
[16:06] <h3sp4wn_> Can the nt version of grub not be used
[16:07] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: huh? NT version of grub?
[16:07] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: the issue is the MBR is getting overwritten
[16:07] <nemo> has nothing to do with NT, linux or whatever
[16:07] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: any boot loader that is not the vista one gets clobbered
[16:07] <x0x> anyone here to help me with dns?
[16:08] <x0x> http://pastebin.com/m1c21be04
[16:08] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: Could hook something in to the startup to reinstall grub
[16:08] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: there are instructions for using ubuntu with the vista boot loader... I don't think it chainloads though, so you can't still use grub
[16:08] <h3sp4wn_> (There is a windows version of grub)
[16:08] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: you mean into shutdown I think :)
[16:08] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: whether there is a windows version of grub or not doesn't make a damn bit of difference
[16:08] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: I would hook it in straight away after boot
[16:08] <nemo> if the MBR is being overwritten
[16:08] <x0x> anyone here to help me with dns?
[16:08] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: huh? you can't boot :-p
[16:09] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: and overwrite the mbr myself
[16:09] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: you could rewrite the MBR as vista shuts down
[16:09] <nemo> that'd be legit
[16:09] <h3sp4wn_> everytime
[16:09] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: doing it on boot is stupid
[16:09] <nemo> because you can't
[16:09] <DanaG> Oh, maybe some antivirus solution is doing it.
[16:09] <nemo> DanaG: quite possible. but if so, it is Vistas
[16:09] <nemo> DanaG: believe me, that thought occurred to us.
[16:09] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: hook it in to the registry to run grub-install
[16:09] <nemo> he has no 3rd party AV
[16:09] <nemo> DanaG: and again. many other vista users have run into this
[16:09] <DanaG> "well documented" -- I can't find it.
[16:10] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: it would need to do it on shutdown. not on vista startup
[16:10] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: on vista startup everything is fine.
[16:10] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: and running grub install is pointless
[16:10] <nemo> all you need to do is write 512 bytes to the MBR
[16:10] <nemo> that would be a very tiny patch :)
[16:10] <h3sp4wn_> Either way its not difficult to do
[16:10] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: great. write me up a solution to send to him, since I don't have a windows machine or a vista one :)
[16:10] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: anyway, no one has made one yet...
[16:11] <h3sp4wn_> I don't have vista either unfortunately
[16:11] <nemo> some windows version of dd would be nice
[16:11] <nemo> that worked in vista
[16:11] <nemo> DanaG: fine. one sec.
[16:11] <DanaG> There's a windows version of DD.
[16:12] <nemo> for vista? that'd be nice
[16:12] <nemo> DanaG: anyway. here. I'll start linking you to the links he was sharing with me
[16:13] <DanaG> You could add it as scheduled task, and it'll run as admin.
[16:13] <h3sp4wn_> dd should be part of the services for unix stuff
[16:13] <nemo> DanaG: http://codylogan.net/2007/08/20/nothing-is-ever-easy/?akst_action=share-this  - 6th paragraph.  not the XP MBR thing. that is sepparate issue
[16:13] <h3sp4wn_> (afaik you can get them in vista anyway)
[16:13] <nemo> DanaG: getting more links
[16:13] <nemo> DanaG: http://neosmart.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1168  post #5
[16:14] <DanaG> Hmm, "XP drive is G" -- that's silly -- it's rather easy to fix.
[16:14] <DanaG> You just have to mark the partition active before installation.
[16:14] <nemo> DanaG: anyway. I don't run windows except in a VM. So. Don't much care
[16:15] <nemo> DanaG: just. he's run into repeated overwrite of grub with windows boot loader, and it isn't due to AV and it isn't him alone.  But then, your situation is different due to the DVD
[16:15] <nemo> he doesn't even have a DVD
[16:15] <nemo> MS has never given OEM that option
[16:15] <nemo> DanaG: so. you bought Vista? :)
[16:16] <DanaG> Nope, got it through the beta.
[16:16] <h3sp4wn_> I think I can have an upgrade for a silly low price as a student
[16:16] <Pelo> re-re-re-hi folks
[16:16] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I have to go off to class now, but anyway, you can add Ubuntu to the Vista bootloader.
[16:16] <h3sp4wn_> But I would need 4gb ram
[16:17] <DanaG> I use just 1; works well enough.
[16:17]  * nonix4 likes 8 so far
[16:18] <h3sp4wn_> My laptop that might use it takes a max of 4
[16:18] <Pelo> I have a partiton that mounts to /home/jean/Downloads , showing up as "Média 69.p Gio" on my desktop it didn't do that before,  it's ext3  what gives ?
[16:18] <DanaG> Some HP workstation laptops allow 8, for an ungodly high price.
[16:18] <h3sp4wn_> DanaG: The official hp upgrade is £500 for 4gb
[16:18] <DanaG> 2x 4GB SODIMM.
[16:18] <nonix4> MemFree:       6069580 kB - that's within one hour of powering this 'puter up or so. Only a handful of programs running so far.
[16:19] <DanaG> 1200 bucks if you get it through them.  (8510w model; base is 1x2GB)
[16:19]  * DanaG has to go now.  Will be back some time later.
[16:20] <brunodbo> I've been having multimedia problems since I updated my beta install this morning
[16:20] <brunodbo> mp3's won't play, quicktime doesn't play in movie player, ..
[16:21] <h3sp4wn_> DanaG: Actually mine can have 8GB (8710w) I don't need it though
[16:21] <Bjbbop> man i always have multimedia problems
[16:21] <Bjbbop> still dont work
[16:21] <Bjbbop> :P
[16:21] <jodie> Hello
[16:21] <Pelo> brunodbo, install , or reinstall all gstreamer0,10 packages , and lame , and mpeg123 and mpeg321
[16:22] <jodie> Purchased the Garth Brooks Utilimate audio CD set.. Music plays fine but ubuntu 7.10 doesn't reconize the video DVD.. Can some one tell me what I'm missing.
[16:22] <brunodbo> ok Pelo
[16:22] <nonix4> [   44.145929] raid6: using algorithm sse2x4 (9062 MB/s) ... wonder why it caps at lower-than-single-disk speeds in practice, even when doing read only...
[16:22] <Pelo> jodie, you need to install the libdvd stuff, and the css decoder and using totem-xine also helps
[16:22] <Exilant> Anyone in here running flash successfully in konqueror? if so, how?
[16:22] <Pelo> !dvd | jodie
[16:22] <ubotu> jodie: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[16:23] <h3sp4wn_> Exilant: konqueror4 seems to just work
[16:23]  * Pelo can't beleive he's doing support in the beta channel now 
[16:23] <Exilant> oh
[16:23] <h3sp4wn_> Or it did last time I checked
[16:24] <jodie> ubotu - thanks I'll check it out
[16:24] <Exilant> hm, is kde4 usable? last time i checked it wasn't
[16:24] <h3sp4wn_> For what definition of usable
[16:24] <jodie> Pelo.. Thanks
[16:25] <pen> !Medibuntu
[16:25] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[16:25] <h3sp4wn_> Its more usable than kde1 was first time I tried it
[16:25] <Exilant> i see :)
[16:32] <jaffarkelshac> is there veoh for hardy? i have been searching online but nothing with wine worls
[16:33] <Pelo> veoh ?
[16:33] <Stockfisch> hi .. yesterday I upgraded to hardy and now I have a small problem .. when I connect my ipod rhythmbox starts automatically and I don't know how to stop this .. at system -> preferences -> media (I don't know the correct english entries since I'm using a german ubuntu) I can't change this
[16:33] <gonzo719_> has anyone gotten VirtualBox OSE working in 8.04 with the latest kernel?
[16:34] <brunodbo> Pelo, I reinstalled all gstreamer0.10 packages I had installed, installed lame, and reinstalled all mpeg packages
[16:34] <brunodbo> problem remaiiins
[16:35] <Pelo> brunodbo,  and lame ?
[16:35] <brunodbo> installed lame
[16:35] <Pelo> brunodbo, I'm out of ideas
[16:35] <brunodbo> ok
[16:35] <brunodbo> thanks anyway
[16:35] <jaffarkelshac> pelo do you not know veoh
[16:36] <brunodbo> btw, is there a way to select packages in the command line, that have partially the same name?
[16:36] <Pelo> jaffarkelshac, by another name maybe, , I'm no good with acronymes
[16:36] <brunodbo> like a wild card?
[16:36] <brunodbo> say 'aptitude reinstall gstreamer0.10*' or something?
[16:36] <Pelo> brunodbo, why not use synaptic ?
[16:36] <jaffarkelshac> veoh is a sorta like youtube, except most of the content is a 5 min preview and you need veoh player to watch the rest
[16:37] <brunodbo> i used synaptic now
[16:37] <Pelo> jaffarkelshac, ic, I think I've heard of it
[16:37] <brunodbo> but would like to know if there is a command line way to do tthat
[16:37] <jaffarkelshac> Stockfisch, unfortunately i dont have an ipod
[16:37] <Pelo> brunodbo, just do a serch for gstreamer and the select all the needed packages
[16:37] <Pelo> brunodbo, ignore me then ,
[16:37] <Pelo> later folks , gotta go
[16:39] <jaffarkelshac> brunodbo just search in terminal with the core name as in "sudo aptitude search gstreamer" and it will return all packages with gstreamer in the name
[16:39] <Stockfisch> jaffarkelshac: actually I know I could change this behaviour in gutsy, but now there's no entry for what to do with ipod .. but .. thanks anyway
[16:40] <Sergeant_Pony> network UNCLAIMED
[16:40] <Sergeant_Pony>        description: Ethernet controller
[16:40] <Sergeant_Pony>        product: AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter
[16:40] <Sergeant_Pony>  Anyone know what this meens?
[16:41] <brunodbo> jaffarkelshac: yes, but how do I perform actions (install, reinstall, ...) for all packages that have 'gstreamer' in their name?
[16:41] <Bjbbop> hello
[16:42] <Stockfisch> Sergeant_Pony: yea ... seems to be an athero wireless network card :) .. shouldn't it work with madwifi ?
[16:42] <Bjbbop> man this is complicated i need to register  my nickname
[16:43] <Sergeant_Pony> StockFish it doesn't even show up under network... but yea it should be madwifi
[16:43] <jaffarkelshac> brunodbo, well manually "sudo aptitude install gstreamer1 gstreamer2 ........ and it will install all, i am not sure how it can install but just 1 name
[16:46] <h3sp4wn_> brunodbo: try - sudo aptitude reinstall gstreamer~i
[16:46] <h3sp4wn_> brunodbo: run aptitude clean first
[16:48] <Stockfisch> Sergeant_Pony: seems you're not the only one having problems with hardy and atheros ... do you speak german ? I found this tutorial http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/160673/
[16:49] <Sergeant_Pony> Stockfish... sorry no German
[16:49] <rrittenhouse> I'm not sure if this is related to the updates this morning but ever since im getting errors that /tmp is full?
[16:50] <Sergeant_Pony> Stocjfish it's not even scanning for any wifi in the area.... nothing
[16:51] <Stockfisch> Sergeant_Pony: hmm .. do you use the restricted drivers ?
[16:53] <rrittenhouse> Why would hardy tell me that /tmp is full? If I do a df -h it tells me "overflow" is 1.0MB and its using 1.0MB and thats mounted on /tmp
[16:53] <Sergeant_Pony> nope... since the last set of updates hal is red but activated.....
[16:54] <hydrogen> wow
[16:54] <hydrogen> I'm starting to think
[16:54] <hydrogen> that the designers of the gtk file dialog
[16:55] <hydrogen> are going out of their way to make it more and more horrible
[16:55] <hydrogen> every release
[16:55] <brunodbo> h3sp4wn_: cool, that works
[16:55] <brunodbo> thanks
[16:55] <hydrogen> every time I think its reached the worst it can be
[16:55] <hydrogen> they manage to make it even worse
[16:55] <nemo> hm. going to have to create a boot partition.
[16:55] <awalton__> hydrogen, oh you know us GNOME developers. if it's a hindrance to the user, we throw it in.
[16:55] <nemo> running into that stupid Error 18 in grub
[16:55] <nemo> odd thing was, it just appeared. laptop was working fine previously.
[16:55] <awalton__> all of those buttons everywhere, all of those configuration options...
[16:56] <nemo> maybe the kernel got moved around on FS or something?
[16:56] <awalton__> hydrogen, file bugs, nag.
[16:56] <Laney> Are there european mirrors of the daily images?
[16:56] <jaffarkelshac> is it possible to access the partition os ubuntu installed using wubi from other installations. the space is a root.disk file
[16:56] <hydrogen> awalton__: I have to imagine that these changes are deliberate
[16:56] <hydrogen> they are way too bad to be accidental
[16:57] <awalton__> seeing as you haven't even quantified such changes, I wonder. but either way, file bugs, nag.
[16:59] <kane77> anyone else with broadcom 43xx wifi having problem after upgrade?
[16:59] <hydrogen> nah, It just reaffrims my belief that gtk is bad... totems dialog now automatically filling in the file path as you type it without any warning goes completely against all other dialogs behavior and is unbelievably annoying
[17:01] <rrittenhouse> I just did my updates for the second time today and now gksudo will not accept my password!
[17:01] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm wireless working just can't connect still....
[17:02] <h3sp4wn_> awalton__: Any idea how I added - Open Terminal to the menu when I right click the desktop
[17:02] <awalton__> h3sp4wn_, sudo apt-get install nautilus-open-terminal
[17:02] <donomo> im using the compiz config settings manager and ive turned on Desktop Cube and Rotate Cube. when i do ctl-alt-arrow, it flips like paper instead of showing a cube.
[17:02] <donomo> any ideas?
[17:03] <cjsoftuk> I upgraded to Hardy today, and it's awesome, except there's a few things not quite working as expected.  VMWare Server Console is borked.  Don't tell me it's in the repos, please!?  It's telling me there's missing version info, namely GCC_4.2.0 and GCC_3.4
[17:03] <h3sp4wn_> awalton__: Brilliant
[17:03] <jbroome> cjsoftuk: known issue
[17:04] <cjsoftuk> jbroome: There's a copy of vmware-server in the partner repos, according to aptitude, I'll try that
[17:04] <jbroome> does it have console too?  i haven't checked
[17:04] <cjsoftuk> jbroome: DUH, I forgot about that
[17:05] <jbroome> :)
[17:10] <daekdroom> Hm. Is hal package dependencie tree broken?
[17:10] <sivel27> any fixes for sound on a laptop, intel ich6 sound chipset?
[17:14] <slanning> hi, having a problem in hardy - I can login (graphical interface), but....I think GNOME isn't starting or something - I have a mouse and can move it
[17:15] <slanning> can start programs from text terminals:   DISPLAY=:0.0 gqview
[17:15] <donomo> compiz window animations are so fun!
[17:15] <slanning> familiar?
[17:15] <donomo> slanning: sounds like you dont have even a window manager
[17:16] <daekdroom> slanning: did you install ATI proprietary driver?
[17:16] <slanning> nvidia one
[17:17] <daekdroom> well. Because when I installed ATI proprietary driver here, I get something similar to that.
[17:17] <slanning> it broke monday actually, just dist-update again today didn't fix it
[17:17] <daekdroom> It's a little bad conf at xorg.conf
[17:17] <slanning> hm
[17:17] <daekdroom> There was a phew 0s where there shouldn't be. :p
[17:19] <slanning> there was a new "pulseaudio" thing added, could it be related?
[17:19] <daekdroom> No.
[17:19] <slanning> I get some messages in /var/log/messages
[17:19] <slanning> hm, ok
[17:19] <daekdroom> Pulseaudio is the new audioserver. It doesn't break stuff like that.
[17:20] <daekdroom> You should try to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:20] <daekdroom> even tho that isn't the command to configure it anymore. It makes a fresh xorg.conf with keyboard configuration (make a backup).
[17:21] <MrKeuner> hi, will one be able to log vino connections(any attempts) in 8.04.24?
[17:22] <miip> hi
[17:23] <jaffarkelshac> !nfs
[17:23] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[17:24] <patchie> !test
[17:24] <ubotu> Failed.
[17:24] <patchie> !hamachi
[17:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hamachi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:24] <miip> is anyone using virt-manager to remotecontrol kvm over ssh on another machine successfully?
[17:26] <jaffarkelshac> no, i use ssh but not virt-manager
[17:27] <slanning> I think my problem is gtk or something - in /var/log/messages there's a segfault from gdm, and several "GTK_IS_TREE_VIEW ... failed" messages
[17:27] <numus> is repos really slow?
[17:28] <daekdroom> numus: probally you're using a overloaded repo
[17:28] <numus> daekroom just getting the updates from the us.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:28] <numus> it is dowloading at around 7 kb/s
[17:29] <daekdroom> Hm. Checked if your internet is fine?
[17:30] <numus> 1 mbit.. a little slow but not that bad
[17:30] <bluefoxx__> how can i low-level format a SATA drive? i think i need to do it to mine as its been buggering up files the past week and gparted has been on "mkfs.ext3" al night
[17:30] <nemo> hey. this is a little silly, but due to how ubuntu autogenerates the grub conf, I want to be careful.  Is there a how-to for adding a new /boot partition?
[17:30] <mxpxpod> I'm trying to run firefox-2, but I can't get it to use ~/.mozilla/firefox.2-replaced as its user directory to use my firefox2 extensions... how would I do that?
[17:31] <nemo> as it applies to, oh, /etc/fstab UUIDs, grub conf changes, etc?
[17:31] <h3sp4wn_> bluefoxx__: You cannot without tools that cost alot of money
[17:31] <nemo> I've just created a 512MiB primary partition.
[17:31] <h3sp4wn_> bluefoxx__: Unless you are lucky and your hard drive manufacturer provides them
[17:31] <h3sp4wn_> (probably for dos)
[17:32] <bluefoxx__> h3sp4wn_: theres nothing in the repos?i know i can low-level my scsi drives...but thats those -. -
[17:32] <nemo> mxpxpod: are you asking about how to create a new firefox profile?
[17:32] <nemo> mxpxpod: use profile manager.
[17:32] <h3sp4wn_> bluefoxx__: Its not something that you should ever need to do
[17:32] <mxpxpod> nemo: I'm not sure if I need a new profile or not... firefox3 in gutsy used ~/.mozilla/firefox-3.0, so I figured that I could get firefox2 to use ~/.mozilla/firefox.2-replaced
[17:32] <nemo> mxpxpod: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_Manager  - same tool applies to sharing profiles between win/lin, whatever.
[17:33] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: There is no reason why it is complicated
[17:33] <nemo> mxpxpod: your profile can be wherever.
[17:33] <numus> !ati
[17:33] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[17:33] <numus> !repos
[17:33] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[17:33] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: ok. just trying to be cautious.
[17:33] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: seems I will need to make *some* changes.
[17:33] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: Unless its on the non primary drive
[17:33] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: /etc/fstab will definitely need modification, and the grub files.
[17:33] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: and I want to make sure later updates to grub conf use the right partition for booting.
[17:33] <bluefoxx> i officially think that SATA sucks. im sticking to scsi XD
[17:34] <nemo> bluefoxx: scsi is dead. long live USB
[17:34] <h3sp4wn_> bluefoxx: Good idea
[17:34] <h3sp4wn_> bluefoxx: SAS is ok
[17:35] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: menu.lst or are you using grub2 ?
[17:35] <bluefoxx> i still use scsi. the stuff is cheap and reliable now[cheap as in second hand and salvaged from old computers ppl toss out]
[17:35] <bluefoxx> =p
[17:35] <bluefoxx> plus it lets me have more hards in my system than i should even need hehe
[17:36] <h3sp4wn_> I don't like the wineing sound you get from 15000 drives but my sparc has them anyway
[17:36] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: I'm using whatever was default in ubuntu hardy :)  - this machine is in middle of gparted resize to make room for partition, so I'm loath to muck with it now
[17:37] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: thats grub-legacy or grub1 or whatever
[17:37] <mxpxpod> nemo: is there a way to get FF2 to start with a certain profile and ff3 with a different?
[17:37] <MrMist> hey
[17:38] <MrMist> I want to have the display on my CRT when I have it connected to my laptop... is this difficult to achieve ?
[17:38] <akk> depends on the laptop
[17:38] <h3sp4wn_> MrMist: Permanently yes
[17:39] <h3sp4wn_> MrMist: With xrandr - not really if you have a suitable driver
[17:39] <akk> some laptops, if you boot them with a monitor connected, they'll remember that.
[17:39] <h3sp4wn_> The new xrandr drivers mess with that
[17:39] <h3sp4wn_> (Mine is a thinkpad and fine in that respect until xorg is involved)
[17:40] <h3sp4wn_> the kernel even lets me switch outputs etc
[17:40] <akk> gutsy had an update back in january that horked the video-out signal on my laptop
[17:40] <MrMist> This PC used to be fine. But not anymore. I've got a Dell Latitude
[17:40] <akk> but hardy fixes it, fortunately
[17:40] <MrMist> xrandr ?
[17:41] <nemo> mxpxpod: of course
[17:41] <nemo> mxpxpod: read that link. it also links to launching firefox with a specified profile.
[17:41] <mxpxpod> nemo: so I'll have to edit my .desktop files
[17:41] <nemo> mxpxpod: that is definitely the recommended way to do things. but basically it amounts to firefox -P profilename
[17:41] <nemo> mxpxpod: yep.
[17:41] <mxpxpod> nemo: hrmm, ok
[17:41] <mxpxpod> I know it used to be that you could run ff3 and ff2 side-by-side
[17:42] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: aight. well. are you aware of a walkthrough? I'll try to cover all bases, but...
[17:42] <nemo> mxpxpod: well. that is still true.
[17:42] <nemo> kinda
[17:42] <mxpxpod> nemo: if I run firefox-3.0 from the command line and ff2 is running, it pops up a ff2 window
[17:42] <nemo> mxpxpod: try a new profile :)
[17:42] <mxpxpod> nemo: that's using a new profile
[17:42] <nemo> oh really. huh. I thought the new mechanism checked in profile
[17:42] <MrKeuner> hi, will one be able to log vino connections(any attempts) in 8.04.24?
[17:43] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: No - I have never used anything other than the grub manpage
[17:43] <h3sp4wn_> the important file is /boot/grub/menu.lst (
[17:44] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: seems you'd have to edit fstab too - to add a /boot entry
[17:44] <nemo> mxpxpod: dunno what to say.  irc://irc.mozilla.org/firefox  best place to ask.  guess you should ask and check back
[17:44] <nemo> mxpxpod: on reflection. of course it can't be profile.  I've run into same thing if running firefox through ssh -YC
[17:45] <mxpxpod> nemo: right, which is why I asked about pointing firefox 2 at a different config directory, such as ~/.mozilla/firefox-2
[17:47] <evan_> hey what happens if i load hardy from winxp?
[17:47] <jaffarkelshac> what to you mean load from winxp
[17:48] <topyli> wubi the windows installer?
[17:49] <evan_> jaffarkelshac, i mean the windows installer of hardy. will it install hardy on my windows partition?? or wil it install hardy as a program or what will it do?
[17:50] <topyli> it will install ubuntu in a virtual disk inside a single file on your windows filesystem
[17:50] <evand> evan_: It will install Ubuntu as a set of files on your Windows partition and add an entry to the Windows bootloader.
[17:50] <jaffarkelshac> it will reserve a partition and install hardy there, it will not affect your windows. i will appear as a file in windows evan_
[17:52] <jaffarkelshac> it really is the safest way to install ubuntu if you feel you might mess things up with partitins evan_
[17:53]  * Gilou really loves pulseaudio
[17:54] <evan_> jaffarkelshac, its because i realy like ubuntu dut my laptop isnt realy stable ( from edgy untill hardy ) it get´s overheated everytime!
[17:54] <topyli> slower than a real installation i guess though
[17:54] <jaffarkelshac> really, i found mine faster
[17:55] <jaffarkelshac> in 10 min it was ready to use including updates
[17:55] <topyli> oh. i haven't tried, don't have a windows box :)
[17:56] <jaffarkelshac> i use my windows less and less, veoh is the only thing that makes me go back so far no alternative
[17:56] <spiderfire> hello
[17:56] <jaffarkelshac> hi
[17:56] <spiderfire> veoh?
[17:57] <spiderfire> my sound can only play in 1 app at once
[17:58] <spiderfire> last time i checked
[17:58] <FliesLikeABrick> yeah, I've been running into that with hardy sometimes, haven't been able to nail it down really.  I seem to run into that in most betas
[17:58] <FliesLikeABrick> on one computer I have that problem, but on another with identical hardware I don't :-/
[17:59] <FliesLikeABrick> (both running hardy)
[17:59] <spiderfire> is that what pulse audio is for?
[18:00] <spiderfire> sound servers?
[18:00] <daekdroom> yes
[18:00] <FliesLikeABrick> pulseaudio is supposed to make the whole audio subsystem work better, and should avoid things like this
[18:00] <spiderfire> theres many sound servers
[18:00] <spiderfire> why so many
[18:00] <FliesLikeABrick> jaffarkelshac what is veoh?
[18:01] <jaffarkelshac> i should probably say veoh player, its required to watch full length videos from www.veoh.com
[18:01] <FliesLikeABrick> videos in what format?
[18:02] <jaffarkelshac> it streams online format is flv
[18:02] <FliesLikeABrick> I'm pretty sure VLC can stream flv too
[18:02] <FliesLikeABrick> mplayer too probably
[18:02] <jaffarkelshac> i know but with veoh.com it requires the player to be installed.
[18:03] <FliesLikeABrick> lame
[18:03] <FliesLikeABrick> does it work in wine?
[18:03] <jaffarkelshac> usually you only get 5min preview and need the player for the full length
[18:04] <spiderfire> have you heard of ovguide.com?
[18:04] <jaffarkelshac> wine is unsuccessful it needs to install plugins in the webrowser
[18:04] <jaffarkelshac> yeah spiderfire, since stage6 shut i am having to use veoh.com
[18:04] <jaffarkelshac> too bad about stage6
[18:06] <smallfoot-> update warsow in the repo
[18:09] <Danish989> Hi everyone
[18:09] <Danish989> I have a question; I'm going to be completely new at linux and was going to install Gutsy Gibbons, but then I heard that Hardy Heron releases in 15 days ... should I upgrade from gutsy to hardy in 15 days or just wait?
[18:10] <FliesLikeABrick> I would say you could install hardy now without trouble
[18:10] <Danish989> the beta version?
[18:10] <kibab> I just wanted to confirm, there is a clean path from the hardy rc's to the final release right?
[18:10] <FliesLikeABrick> yes
[18:10] <orvokki> Still not recommended though.
[18:10] <FliesLikeABrick> yes kibab
[18:10] <Danish989> what's not recommended @ orvokki?
[18:10] <MadProcessor> Hardy is a beta though
[18:10] <kibab> FliesLikeABrick: k. thanks.
[18:10] <MadProcessor> keep that in mind
[18:10] <MrMist> Danish989: I upgraded to hardy beta two days ago. Works just fine :)
[18:10] <orvokki> Danish989: As said before, Hardy is in beta testing still even though it mostly works fine.
[18:10]  * kibab wonders if the update manager with a read-only /tmp have been resolved in hardy
[18:11] <orvokki> So it's not a recommended choice unless you know what you're doing.
[18:11] <kibab> s/read only/non-execute/
[18:11] <FliesLikeABrick> I've been using hardy for a few months just fine.  If you're just using this for personal testing you should be fine
[18:11] <Danish989> I was wondering, if I upgrade from hardy beta to the stable version, will i have to reinstall my software and re-configure settings to my liking/
[18:11] <Pici> Danish989: I suggest waiting until after release to get it.  You aren't going to get much support in here with issues, especially if you are a new user.  And #ubuntu will be very croweded on release day.
[18:11] <FliesLikeABrick> no Danish989
[18:11] <Pici> !final
[18:11] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[18:12] <slanning> I don't know how to proceed - I put /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe and "Failsafe GNOME" and booted using a previous known-working kernel ; the result is the same
[18:12] <slanning> past graphical login, the music plays and the mouse works, but I'm staring at the blank background
[18:14] <slanning> as before, DISPLAY=:0.0 gqview   opens up gqview in the ctrl-alt-F7 screen
[18:14] <slanning> this is since dist-upgrade monday
[18:18] <Danish989> ok so I should just go ahead and install Gutsy Gibbons then?
[18:19] <FliesLikeABrick> the choice is ultimately up to you
[18:19] <Danish989> how complicated is the upgrading process?
[18:19] <FliesLikeABrick> very simple
[18:20] <Danish989> is hardy heron beta advisable to be used by a linux n00b?
[18:20] <FliesLikeABrick> I would say yes, but there are people here who would disagree
[18:21] <subpar> Danish989, you should be alright, as long as you can google and follow directions :)
[18:21] <akk> Probably not while it's still in beta -- lots of people are still having issues with it
[18:21] <akk> unless you want to stop being a n00b fast :)
[18:21] <FliesLikeABrick> Danish989 the odds of you running into problems at this point are slim, but if you're looking to understand linux and learn more, then it couldn't hurt to run into problems as long as you are comfortable having to fix things
[18:21] <macogw> Danish989: its mostly usable, just dont do daily updates til you pop in and check that they havent broken anything big
[18:21] <subpar> anyone else having the problem where you can't send/receive in evolution
[18:21] <bluefoxx> i have a suspicion that my 'sata' on my mobo is really just an extra ide channel that converts it to sata...if thats possible...
[18:21] <FliesLikeABrick> hardy has been largely functional for a long time, moreso since this is a LTS version
[18:22] <FliesLikeABrick> why bluefoxx ?
[18:22] <macogw> Danish989: if something big (by which i mean X since noobs tend not to like when that goes away) has broken, you're going to need to run out of noobdom and into seasoned-user-mode pretty quickly
[18:22] <bluefoxx> FliesLikeABrick: b/c scsiadd detects my sata drive as being manufactured by 'ATA'
[18:22] <FliesLikeABrick> SATA drives are still ATA drives
[18:22] <bluefoxx> FliesLikeABrick: it should say seagate
[18:23] <evan_> how do i have controll of my fan speed?
[18:23] <komputes> how do i change my video driver
[18:23] <bluefoxx> Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00|  Vendor: ATA      Model: ST380815AS       Rev: 3.AA|  Type:   Direct-Access                    ANSI  SCSI revision: 05
[18:23] <LjL> my KSysGuard doesn't seem to list the sensors for CPU temperatures and fan speeds anymore after upgrading to Hardy, although "sensors" in a console still shows them as usual. what gives?
[18:23] <sivel27> any fixes for sound on a laptop, intel ich6 sound chipset? this is annoying. cant seem to find much on it
[18:24] <FliesLikeABrick> sivel27 tell us more about the problem you are having
[18:24] <Danish989> how about I just install gutsy gibbons and get used to that .. then upgrade to hardy heron when it is out of beta and stable?
[18:25] <FliesLikeABrick> sure Danish989
[18:25] <Danish989> okie, Thanks a lot :)
[18:25] <sivel27> well, im on a toshiba laptop, running heron. i have the volume icon there, but nothing plays out of seakers, no matter what i do
[18:25] <sivel27> speakers\
[18:28] <pen> how to assign multimedia keys to compiz?
[18:28] <MadProcessor> sivel27: Have you tried turning up the sound with "alsamixer" ? Run that command at the command line
[18:29] <sivel27> ok one sec
[18:29] <sivel27> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[18:30] <Niklas_E> when I updated the hardy, it made so it doesn't initialize the network (I need to run dhclient eth0) is this a known bug?
[18:31] <evan_> What is the replacement of fancontroll in hardy?
[18:31] <jaffarkelshac> can you install other desktop environments?
[18:31] <evan_> fancontrol?
[18:32] <slanning> I guess I just try waiting till friday, see if stuff is fixed magically by then
[18:33] <sivel27> very irritating
[18:33] <komputes> how do i change my video driver
[18:33] <sivel27> im trying to "ween" myself off of windows "dependancy"
[18:34] <jbroome> and a dependancey on ""
[18:34] <MadProcessor> sivel27: Guess you don't have Alsa installed, do you even have the soundcard recognized by ubuntu?
[18:34] <mydoghasworms> Since upgrading to 8.04 Beta, I have no sound. How do I go about finding out what the problem is?
[18:37] <Danish989> ok, this is probably a stupid question; Ubuntu needs it's own file system and it'll partition my hard disk and then format a partition to it's file system right?
[18:37] <DanaG> WTF?
[18:37] <akk> Danish989: Right, that's the normal (and best) way
[18:37] <Danish989> and that means the hard disk will be formatted clean, right?
[18:37] <DanaG> WHere'd the "Mount archive" option go?
[18:37] <sivel27> im in the same boat
[18:37] <DanaG> You can resize existing partitions.
[18:37] <evan_> does anyone know a fancontroll replacement for hardy?
[18:37] <akk> Danish989: No, you don't need to reformat existing partitions, just new ones
[18:38] <akk> Danish989: you might need to resize the existing partition smaller to make room for new partitions
[18:38] <mydoghasworms> sivel27: You mean with the sound?
[18:38] <Danish989> and resizing existing partitions doesn't mean formatting them?
[18:38] <akk> (um, can the live CD do that? I've never installed with it)
[18:38] <akk> right, resizing doesn't mean formatting
[18:39] <Danish989> can I resize a partition on a hard disk thats formatted with the NTFS file system and install ubuntu on that? (will ubuntu change the file system for it's partition itself?)
[18:39] <mindframe-> i can't get wireshark to work
[18:39] <mindframe-> every time i tell it to start a capture it just locks up
[18:39] <mindframe-> it starts dumpcap but the gui is unresponsive
[18:40] <pen> how to assign multimedia keys to compiz?
[18:40] <cwillu> Danish989, just make sure that windows has done a clean shutdown;  if you just hard-reset the computer, ubuntu will refuse to touch the windows drive (with good reason)
[18:41] <cwillu> mindframe-, what does top show when you run it?
[18:41] <mydoghasworms> sivel27: I have only read from MadProcessor's comment to you, but did you also lose sound after upgrading?
[18:41] <cwillu> and if you run wireshark from a terminal, does anything useful show up?
[18:41] <e_r_c_e> HI! need help, while i was home, my comp went crazy. it restarted itself and gnome logined me in but not loaded desktop.
[18:41] <e_r_c_e> what's going on?
[18:41] <Danish989> okie, thanks cwillu
[18:42] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, this probably falls under the "Please make sure you know how to administer an Ubuntu system, before installing Hardy" category of beta software :p;  what happens if you just hard reset it?
[18:43] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: i am at ubuntu from dapper, i know how to use and administer ubuntu and I DIDN'T RESET MY COMP!!!!!!!!
[18:43] <mindframe-> cwillu, it actually works when i run it in terminal w/ sudo
[18:43] <mindframe-> seems that gksu is causing the issue or something
[18:44] <daekdroom> It's a bad configured xorg.conf
[18:44] <e_r_c_e> daekdroom: speaking to me?
[18:44] <daekdroom> GTK programs don't find the screen, so they can't start. Happens to me everytime I try to install fglrx driver
[18:44] <daekdroom> yes?
[18:44] <macogw> e_r_c_e: he's suggesting that you do a hard restart and see what happens
[18:45] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, no, I'm asking if it works if you do a reset
[18:45] <qzio> ok im doing an safe-upgrade and suddenly i cant go to pages in firefox, "enter" from the address bar throws error...
[18:45] <macogw> qzio: a firefox update probably just installed
[18:45] <cwillu> daekdroom, xorg.conf doesn't seem likely, unless its a compiz issue (if xorg starts up at all, then it's not a case of apps not being able to connect)
[18:45] <macogw> qzio: when that happens, firefox needs to be restarted to function correctly
[18:45] <qzio> macogw: ok.
[18:45] <e_r_c_e> damn, i'll reset if ya want but remember, i left it 10-20 seconds without power and it didn't work
[18:46] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, does it get you to a login prompt?
[18:46] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: YES; but desktop doesn't load!
[18:46] <daekdroom> cwillu: Make a backup of xorg.conf @ console and dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[18:47] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, once it's loaded, switch to a vterm, and run DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace, switch back, and see if that brings anything up
[18:47] <cwillu> (i.e., after login screen, after the drive settles down, etc)
[18:47] <e_r_c_e> but safe mode works??
[18:47] <e_r_c_e> XD
[18:48] <cwillu> safemode uses metacity, not compiz ;p
[18:48] <e_r_c_e> ;)
[18:48] <clarezoe> anyone knows how to merge two pdf files into one
[18:48] <cwillu> clarezoe, -> #ubuntu
[18:48] <poni> Harro!
[18:48] <cwillu> mindframe-, but gksu from a terminal doesn't work?
[18:49] <cwillu> mindframe-, (as opposed to gksu in a launcher?)
[18:49] <mindframe-> let me check
[18:49] <unicum> will the problems with the macbook (core2duo) wlan be fixed in ubuntu 8.04??
[18:49] <poni> Anyone else noticed a slight bit of ... random freezes in Hardy beta? I run hardy on my laptop, with 1.5gb RAM, and a dualcore cpu, though I get random freezes, where it completely freezes for a few seconds, this is both with live CD and with installed Hardy. Is this normal "beta behaviour"? : )
[18:50] <cwillu> unicum, best bet would be to check launchpad for related bugs, and see if they're marked as fixed
[18:50] <e_r_c_e> in terminal : no protocol specified, mistake of displ. manager: unable to open X display at :0
[18:50] <cwillu> poni, well
[18:50] <e_r_c_e> :\
[18:50] <mydoghasworms> Is it possible, that after upgrading to 8.04 Beta, the system does not detect my sound devices anymore? It certainly seems that way.
[18:50] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, and xorg is logged in (as much as it does)?
[18:51] <daekdroom> e_r_c_e: Bad configured xorg.conf
[18:51] <mydoghasworms> Does it having something to do with the switch to PulseAudio?
[18:51] <daekdroom> Happens to me after I use ati-config --initial because it doesn't handle options well
[18:51] <mindframe-> cwillu, it indeed does not work w/ gksu from a terminal
[18:51] <cwillu> poni, it shouldn't be normal, but it might be;  can you run top in a terminal and see if there's anything hitting the cpu hard, or if anything is showing up on the second line from the top under %wa?
[18:51] <jaffarkelshac> i installed xubuntu-desktop on my  laptop to see how it, but when i uninstall it all the apps it installed stay
[18:51] <cwillu> mindframe-, what about gksudo?
[18:51] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: this error is not logged in /var/crash, daekdroom: I didn't never edited xorg.conf on my own hands!
[18:51] <cwillu> (they behave differently based on the name I believe)
[18:52] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, from the vterm, check if xorg is running (ps aux|grep X)
[18:52] <daekdroom> e_r_c_e: but something might have did so. Like a driver (I've seen that happen with nvidia drivers too)
[18:52] <mindframe-> cwillu, does not work
[18:52] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, you aren't using anything like envy or the like are you?
[18:52] <cwillu> mindframe-, what about from a gnome-terminal launched with gksudo?
[18:52] <mindframe-> cwillu, the gui even freezes up when i click on the capture options
[18:53] <mindframe-> so gksudo gnome-terminal then wireshark?
[18:53] <cwillu> mindframe-, open a top in another window, and see if anything is spiking the cpu when it freezes
[18:53] <cwillu> yes
[18:53] <mindframe-> it doesnt spike
[18:53] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: what should be printed in term?
[18:53] <cwillu> might have to be xterm actually, but either way
[18:53] <cwillu> /usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -dpi 100 -auth /v ......
[18:53] <cwillu> the :0 is what I want to know
[18:54] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: cannot copy-paste, tell you somethink like it =)
[18:54] <cwillu> what's the number after /usr/bin/X?
[18:54] <mindframe-> cwillu, it works from a gnome-terminal started w/ gksudo
[18:54] <e_r_c_e> :0
[18:55] <sivel27> sorry about that, laptop froze. it says intel ich6 chipset, but no sound
[18:55] <cwillu> odd
[18:55] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, ps aux|grep -i compiz
[18:56] <mydoghasworms> sivel27: How did you get a list of audio devices on your machine?
[18:56] <qzio> hm.. the new ff-beta is crashing alot.. like 3-4 times in 10 min
[18:56] <e_r_c_e> cwillu, what do wa want to known from this cmd =?
[18:56] <cwillu> if you see compiz anywhere, other than the grep line
[18:57] <sivel27> i double clicked the vilume icon and used the scrollbar for chosing devices
[18:57] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: i see it as being runned by my user
[18:57] <cwillu> qzio, run it in a terminal and see what it says when it crashes
[18:57] <e_r_c_e> i'm sure it'll print core dumped
[18:57] <e_r_c_e> =)
[18:57] <cwillu> yes, but the text leading up to that is handy :p
[18:58] <mydoghasworms> sivel27: I don't even get that. The systems did not seem to have detected any audio devices on my machine, but they were working on 7.10
[18:58] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, you're logged in under the same user in the vterm as in x, right?
[18:58] <e_r_c_e> right
[18:58] <e_r_c_e> cuz i havent got any other
[18:58] <qzio> cwillu: ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
[18:58] <cwillu> qzio, pastebin it
[18:58] <cwillu> !pastebin
[18:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[18:59] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, export DISPLAY=:0
[18:59] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, killall compiz compiz.real; metacity --replace
[19:00] <cwillu> mindframe-, well, I guess it's launchpad time
[19:00] <jbroome> bluefoxx|showeri: let us know how the shower was.  Don't leave us hanging
[19:00] <sivel27> mine was working on 7.10 as well
[19:00] <mindframe-> :)
[19:00] <cwillu> mindframe-, check if it acts the same way (gksudo term, etc) after a reboot, and then see if anybody has reported it, and report it if not :p
[19:01] <sivel27> !pastebin
[19:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[19:01] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, note that case is important, etc (you can't paste I guess? :p)
[19:01] <goldins> Hello, I just installed hardy and the default kernel doesn't work
[19:01] <poni> cwillu: Nothign really hitting the CPU hard... Everything quite low
[19:01] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: i doubt that there is text-based explorer
[19:01] <cwillu> poni, anything showing up on the second line %wa?
[19:01] <goldins> this wouldn't be a problem except that the nvidia drivers don't seem to be working with the 2.6.22 kernel
[19:02] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, you'd be surprised :p
[19:02] <cwillu> goldins, what doesn't work?
[19:02] <e_r_c_e> tell me how to install it?
[19:02] <e_r_c_e> :d
[19:02] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, you mean a browser, or which?
[19:02] <poni> cwillu: on Swap ..?
[19:03] <cwillu> poni, stop being cryptic, I can't read your mind or see your screen :p
[19:03] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: somethink like text-based firefox
[19:03] <cwillu> oops
[19:03] <poni> cwillu: Just wondering what you meant by second line %wa
[19:03] <cwillu> sorry poni, wrong person :p
[19:03] <ogre_> hey, im fixing that bug with liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.18_i386.deb but the package isnt at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/launchpad-integration/ . any suggestions?
[19:03] <qzio> cwillu: i just get some ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2) then core dumped.. is there a --debug perhapse? :)
[19:03] <goldins> cwillu: it doesn't boot. First, it turns off all the lights on my USB keyboard. Then (if I let it boot graphically) it hangs forever on the loading bar with the bar going back and forth, or (if I interrupt grub and then boot it) it hangs looking for the root partition.
[19:03] <qzio> will try safemode
[19:03] <cwillu> 3rd line actually, where it has cpu(s):... %sys, %id, ...
[19:04] <cwillu> qzio, what plugins do you have on?
[19:04] <cwillu> ya
[19:04] <poni> 2.2%
[19:04] <cwillu> goldins, have you had to mess around with grub in the past?
[19:04] <poni> on %wa
[19:04] <cwillu> poni, that was wa%?
[19:04] <DanaG> Here's something odd: iif I disable my TPM chip, Linux won't boot.
[19:04] <cwillu> okay, probably just io killing you
[19:04] <qzio> cwillu: firefbug and downloadstatusbar.
[19:04] <goldins> It did the same thing on a machine I have at home but there I have a much less complicated video configuration so it wasn't a problem
[19:04] <poni> yeah cwillu
[19:04] <goldins> cwillu: yep
[19:04] <goldins> cwillu: never on this machine though
[19:04] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: somethink like text-based firefox
[19:05] <cwillu> qzio, ya, kill those, and try it again (I've been running trunk builds of firefox, and haven't had a crash in 2 months)
[19:05] <cwillu> goldins, if it's hanging waiting for the root partition, it's not video related
[19:05] <goldins> I know
[19:05] <goldins> the 2.6.22 kernel boots just fine
[19:05] <cwillu> sorry, getting my threads mixed up
[19:05] <goldins> but then the video doesn't work properly
[19:05] <DanaG> For me, the hang happens after something about "bringing up CPUs".
[19:06] <cwillu> goldins, okay, can you pastebin me your /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[19:06] <goldins> cwillu: I haven't touched it, it's completely standard
[19:06] <goldins> but sure thing
[19:06] <cwillu> goldins, yep, sounds like a device rename from the upgrade though
[19:06] <cwillu> goldins, probably the lack of a device uuid, or a rename of the devices from /dev/hda to /dev/sda
[19:06] <goldins> cwillu: but the root device in menu.lst is referenced by UUID
[19:07] <ogre_> hey, im fixing that bug with liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.18_i386.deb but the package isnt at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/launchpad-integration/ . any suggestions?
[19:07] <goldins> and it's the same UUID for 2.6.22 and 2.6.24
[19:07] <DanaG> what the heck?  My ACPI hotkeys just randomly broke.
[19:07] <cwillu> goldins, try bringing it up as the device path
[19:07] <ogre_> oops,still applies though
[19:07] <cwillu> root=/dev/sda or whatever
[19:07] <goldins> alright, wish me luck
[19:07] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, links is a textmode browser
[19:08] <qzio> cwillu: do run firebug?
[19:08] <DanaG> links2 is better.
[19:08] <DanaG> links doesn't do ssl.
[19:08] <cwillu> I just saw that :p
[19:08] <cwillu> qzio, no
[19:08] <jk__> i installed xbuntu-desktop and it installed a bunch of stuff a whole not, how do i remove all of them.
[19:08] <cwillu> qzio, disable both of those extensions, you can turn them back on once we've seen firefox not crash :p
[19:09] <e_r_c_e> hey cwillu i think that dpkg was problem, it's fixing gdm.conf right now...
[19:09] <cwillu> jk__, I think you can remove xubuntu-desktop via aptitude, and it'll offer to uninstall the automatically installed packages as well
[19:09] <jk__> it did not, it just uninstalled xubuntu-desktop
[19:10] <h3sp4wn_> Only if you installed it with aptitude
[19:10] <h3sp4wn_> you can try the apt-get autoremove thing
[19:10] <cwillu> jk__, apt-get autoremove
[19:10] <h3sp4wn_> but I personally don't trust it
[19:10] <cwillu> heh
[19:11] <Moniker42> hey, i'm just installing hardy beta on my macbook
[19:11] <cwillu> jk__, synaptic has an 'Installed (auto removable)' status filter
[19:11] <Moniker42> is there no support for HFS+?
[19:12] <jk__> i will check that
[19:12] <e_r_c_e> BRB
[19:12] <Moniker42> gparted from the liveOS seems to be hanging on resizing my HFS+ partition
[19:12] <DanaG> WTF?  My "Hibernate" and "Sleep" entries are missing!
[19:12] <cwillu> DanaG, that'd be the same cause as your acpi buttons breaking, no?
[19:12] <cwillu> or just leave, whichever :p
[19:12] <nemo> Moniker42: CONFIG_HFSPLUS_FS=yes  should be set...
[19:13] <nemo> I wish ubuntu included /proc/config.gz :(
[19:13] <akk> yeah, why don't they?
[19:13] <cwillu> nemo, /boot/config* is what you want anyway
[19:13] <nemo> cwillu: the other one is more convenient.
[19:13] <cwillu> no point putting it statically into the kernel, that file gets installed anyway
[19:14] <Moniker42> nemo, well i've already started the resizing... but it's hanging. should i cancel the operation?
[19:14] <nemo> cwillu: easier to ask a user on any linux to just hit /proc/config.gz first
[19:14] <cwillu> nemo, uname -a?
[19:14] <nemo> cwillu: without having to know particulars. doesn't increase kernel significantly
[19:14] <Moniker42> i'm a bit worried it could've started doing something and will damage my OS X installation =(
[19:14] <cwillu> I'm not a fan of diffing their pastebin against the known settings :)
[19:14] <nemo> cwillu: that requires having a standard /boot/config* format. there isn't one.
[19:14] <cwillu> nemo, there is as far as standard ubuntu kernels is concerned
[19:14] <nemo> Moniker42: looks like it is built as a module
[19:14] <cwillu> and if you're installing your own, then turn it on
[19:15] <nemo> cwillu: heh. just saying. /proc/config.gz allows for generic linux support
[19:15] <nemo> no looking up how distro X works
[19:15] <Wile> I'm on kubuntu 8.04, with Compiz enabled, and I have problems with multidesktop... The configuration windows tell always come back to "1 desktop", there are 4 showed on the taskbar, and there are 2 really active...  Is this normal doctor ?
[19:16] <dotpavan> hi.. I have been experiencing FF3b5 (with NoScript) crashes (random) when viewing flash.. one recommended fix was using flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115, anybody throw some light if it is effective?
[19:16] <cwillu> nemo, if we were on #linux, then I'd sympathize, and probably even agree :p
[19:16] <cwillu> dotpavan, as opposed to?
[19:16] <nemo> Moniker42: aaaaanyway. yeah. the module is there
[19:16] <nemo> Moniker42: checked in lsmod to see if it is loaded?
[19:16] <dotpavan> cwillu, as opposed to wait for FF3 final release :) or gnash?
[19:17]  * Moniker42 checks
[19:17] <nemo> Moniker42: could also try a modprobe hfsplus  of course
[19:17] <cwillu> dotpavan, just run the nonfree flash
[19:17] <cwillu> it works
[19:17] <dotpavan> cwillu, ok, shall give it a shot. Thanks! just that the default installation was lil problematic and I was skeptical abt configuring it unless proven ;)
[19:18] <cwillu> Wile, sounds like a kde bug;  gnome had a similar bug for a while, but they fixed it back in feisty
[19:18] <cwillu> dotpavan, ya, the package was broken for a while
[19:18] <Wile> cwillu: OK. Will take a look to the reported bugs.
[19:18] <cwillu> dotpavan, ubuntu-restricted-extras will install all the standard bad things that you shouldn't need in a free world :p
[19:19] <frank_> cwillu: except w32codecs
[19:19] <nemo> Moniker42: you know - I thought Mac abandoned HFS+ recently...
[19:19] <nemo> for that Sun filesystem
[19:19] <nemo> the patented one
[19:19] <cwillu> frank_, you shouldn't need that in a bad world either :p
[19:19] <LjL> my KSysGuard doesn't seem to list the sensors for CPU temperatures and fan speeds anymore after upgrading to Hardy, although "sensors" in a console still shows them as usual. why could that be?
[19:20] <goldins> cwillu: I don't think the root device is the issue
[19:20] <Moniker42> nemo, lsmod lists hfsplus, but as used by 0...
[19:20] <goldins> I mean, I tried booting it off /dev/sda2 but it didn't work
[19:20] <goldins> my point is that there's no reason that when it starts to boot it removes usb power
[19:20] <hischild> LjL, perhaps reinstall ksysguard to make it aware of the new stuff? or perhaps the kernel lists them differently? perhaps it doesn't have permissions? (those are just random thoughts)
[19:20] <goldins> I think there's something wrong with this kernel
[19:20] <nemo> Moniker42: can you mount the partition?
[19:21] <nemo> Moniker42: um. with gparted halted of course
[19:21] <LjL> hischild: as far as i can see, the module for my sensors are still called the same way
[19:21] <Moniker42> nemo, i was hesitating to stop gparted...
[19:22] <cwillu> goldins, what fs are you running?
[19:22] <cwillu> just ext3?
[19:22] <goldins> cwillu: yep
[19:22] <hischild> LjL, then i'm at a loss, sorry
[19:23] <Moniker42> nemo, mount: can't find /dev/sda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab...
[19:23] <cwillu> !cdrom
[19:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrom - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:23] <cwillu> !cd
[19:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:23] <LjL> hischild: uhm, it might seem that the lm-sensors interface has indeed changed, according to http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-667052-view-previous.html?sid=18d0e57ebff572ecd6f671ba7b1ca5ee (although i still have libsensors3 available and installed)
[19:23] <dotpavan> goldins: you have powertop installed? it *might* do that
[19:24] <nemo> Moniker42: fun times. check dmesg I guess
[19:24] <hischild> LjL, and you happen to have that version of ksysguard as well?
[19:24] <Moniker42> hmm
[19:24] <LjL> hischild: 3.5.9. but i had kde 3.5.9 on gutsy too
[19:24] <Moniker42> program gparted is using deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert to SG_IO
[19:25] <cwillu> goldins, got a hardy livecd?
[19:25] <cwillu> does it boot?
[19:25] <hischild> LjL, and also kde 3.5.9? might be something connected
[19:25] <LjL> hischild: yes i had kde/ksysguard 3.5.9 before, and i have 3.5.9 now (in hardy 3.5.9 is default, in gutsy i upgraded to it from backports)
[19:26] <goldins> cwillu: I don't have a hardy livecd, I installed from gutsy
[19:26] <e_r_c_e> EUREKA!! IT WORKZ!! dpkg --configure etc WORKS!!
[19:26] <goldins> update-manager -d
[19:26] <hischild> LjL, well file a bug with a link then is what i'd say ... if downgrading works on it
[19:26] <MrKeuner> hi, will one be able to log vino connections(any attempts) in 8.04.24?
[19:26] <nextstep> Hell all .. i have a serious issue in Hardy after applying updates today.  When I enter X my screen just displays the background image and nothing ever loads ...help please
[19:26] <e_r_c_e> goldins: we know how to upgrade from gutsy
[19:27] <hischild> nextstep, did you wait 5 mins?
[19:27] <goldins> e_r_c_e: there's more than one way to do it.
[19:27] <nextstep> i left it sitting for about 20
[19:27] <nextstep> no luck
[19:27] <nextstep> and failsafe terminal doesnt work either
[19:27] <cwillu> goldins, any chance you could be persuaded to burn one and see if it boots?
[19:28] <e_r_c_e> nextstep: it was for me too, it doesn't load desktop after logging in?
[19:28] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, -> nextstep :p
[19:28] <goldins> cwillu: sure. Does it have this 2.6.24-15 kernel?
[19:28] <cwillu> believe so
[19:28] <cwillu> it'll have something in the 2.6.24 series
[19:28] <nextstep> sorry .. failsafe gnome
[19:28] <cwillu> either way if an older one works, then that'll give us some approach for your install
[19:29] <goldins> alright
[19:29] <nextstep> yeah .. login screen is perfect .. after login = nothing
[19:29] <nextstep> so I am not the only one then ?
[19:30] <nextstep> cwillu: ?  what do you mean
[19:31] <anteaya> will nodebox work on hardy?
[19:31] <cwillu> nextstep, was talking to goldins
[19:31] <nextstep> ahh k
[19:31] <jmdc> ﻿When I resume after suspend to ram, system load is reported to be very large (>13). Performance is just fine, it's just the reported system load that goes up so much. Have others experienced this? Is this a bug, or is everything "working as designed"? Should I file a bug report?
[19:32] <Ace2016> Hi all
[19:32] <nextstep> woah .. i just got a failsafe gnome to come up .. been about 30 mins now
[19:32] <Ace2016> can i get a download link for hardy please
[19:32] <Ace2016> google gave me a link to alpha 1
[19:33] <nextstep> ace:  sudo update-manager -d
[19:33] <Ace2016> no i haven't got ubuntu on this machine
[19:33] <nextstep> or do you need the full release ?
[19:33] <nextstep> ahh
[19:33] <Ace2016> yes
[19:33] <Moniker42> btw i think it was !livecd you were looking for cwillu
[19:33] <Moniker42> !livecd
[19:33] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Desktop CD is a "LiveCD" which can be run without altering existing files on your harddrive. Especially useful for testing your hardware's compatibility, it also includes an install option.
[19:33] <nextstep> sorry no idea
[19:33] <goldins> cwillu: I don't see a livecd
[19:33]  * Ace2016 thinks a download link should be in the topic
[19:34] <cwillu> Moniker42, no, I was actually hoping they had some basic diagnostic info for the 'hardy fails to boot from some cd drives' bug :p
[19:34] <Ace2016> well i prefer the alternative installer
[19:34] <cwillu> goldins, the normal cd is a livecd
[19:34] <Ace2016> acpi issues?
[19:34] <goldins> but I have the install cd almost downloaded
[19:34] <cwillu> goldins, yep
[19:34] <Ace2016> goldins: can i have a link to the download location?
[19:34] <goldins> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors
[19:34] <goldins> Ace2016: I'm getting it from GAtech
[19:35] <Ace2016> oh that simple huh
[19:35] <goldins> GAtech seems to be capping me at 2.5 mbits or so
[19:35] <goldins> :-/
[19:37] <Ace2016> so what does that equate to in kb/s?
[19:37] <nextstep> ﻿e_r_c_e:  did you find any way of fixing yours ?
[19:37] <hischild> Ace2016, about 300kbps tops
[19:38] <Ace2016> where are you located? are you sure its not your isp?
[19:38] <cwillu> KB/s you mean? :p
[19:38] <goldins> Ace2016: My ISP is the united states government
[19:38] <cwillu> kb/s would be something like 2000 :p
[19:38] <goldins> we have 3 gbits to the internet
[19:39] <Ace2016> wow
[19:39] <nextstep> stupid wireless card
[19:39] <goldins> we sit on internet2
[19:39] <nextstep> Sorry to ask again, but since i got dc there did anyone post a response about fixing this issue?
[19:39] <Ace2016> but i doubt they'd allow a single user to use too much bandwidth, proably capped
[19:39] <Ace2016> probably*
[19:39] <goldins> Ace2016: I mean, there's definitely a 100mbit router between me and the internet
[19:40] <goldins> Also, my IRC traffic is much slower since I have to route it through an SSH tunnel on a remote server
[19:40] <Ace2016> but i'm pretty sure the admins would share the bandwidth out and cap users
[19:40] <xrhstaraspatra> hi from greece
[19:41] <Ace2016> have you considered that maybe they don't want people on irc?
[19:41] <goldins> Ace2016: oh they definitely don't want people on IRC
[19:41] <xrhstaraspatra> can i ask a question about overlays and flickering on 3d games/programs only when compiz is activated? - with graphic card ati radeon hd2400
[19:42] <Ace2016> see in that case i suggest you don't go around telling everyone, maybe just put up with it
[19:42]  * cwillu scoffs at the notion of telling me I can browse the internet, but I can't connect to irc
[19:42] <nextstep> ﻿﻿e_r_c_e:  did you find any way of fixing yours ?
[19:42] <cwillu> such nonsense belies a fundamental misunderstand of what the internet is :p
[19:43] <cwillu> nextstep, I think he just did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[19:43]  * cwillu puts e_r_c_e on his ignore list
[19:43] <Ace2016> cwillu: well i think browsing has become linked with web pages, so when people mean browse the internet they mean web pages
[19:44] <sielnt_> I'm completely missing my screen configure tool in administration, did hardy get rid of that gtk app?
[19:44] <goldins> We're also blocked from a whole list of sites
[19:44] <cwillu> Ace2016, yes, but what if you browsed to a page that implemented an irc client via http redirects?
[19:44] <nextstep> sadly i already did that .. without the -phigh switch .. what does that do ?
[19:44] <K|> makes you anwer less
[19:44] <cwillu> Ace2016, "The internet treats censorship as damage, and routes around it"
[19:44] <goldins> cwillu: or a java irc client
[19:44] <cwillu> goldins, I didn't want to beg the question :p
[19:44] <cwillu> no java, no flash, no javascript, just a form and a meta refresh :p
[19:44] <anteaya> will nodebox work on hardy?
[19:45] <cwillu> nextstep, just makes it not bug you for the settings
[19:45] <cwillu> nextstep, you restarted X after?
[19:45] <nextstep> yes
[19:45] <hischild> cwillu, you know that i actually use that :P i tunnel traffic through my home pc with ssh, so i can avoid the school censorships :P
[19:45] <nextstep> nothing changed
[19:45] <nextstep> in face now that i think about it .. the reconfigure didnt ask me for any video settings either .. just kb settings
[19:45] <nextstep> *fact
[19:46] <cwillu> hischild, I socks proxy through my server in the states so I can still get my pandora fix internationally :p
[19:46] <hischild> for hardy, it doesn't ask you for video settings.
[19:46] <xrhstaraspatra> i'm sorry asking you again, but i have  overlays and flickering on 3d games/programs only when compiz is activated? - with graphic card ati radeon hd2400
[19:46] <nextstep> kk
[19:46] <hischild> cwillu, sounds nice though i have no idea what it all means :P i'm assuming some sort of avoiding of limitations
[19:46] <cwillu> hischild, it's the -D option to ssh :p
[19:46] <hischild> cwillu, riiiight
[19:47] <hischild> cwillu, mind explaining the difference with normal tunneling?
[19:47] <goldins> ssh -D [port number] [remote server]
[19:47] <goldins> then, configure your local programs to use the proxy server sitting on localhost:[port number]
[19:47] <cwillu> hischild, it's a socks proxy, no static routing required, I just tell firefox to use it as the proxy
[19:47] <hischild> goldins, i know how to use proxying using ssh
[19:47] <nextstep> cwillu:  well that made some progress in the wrong direction .. now i get Cannot display this mode on my monitor ...lol
[19:47] <hischild> cwillu, i see
[19:48] <cwillu> nextstep, ctrl+alt+[-]?
[19:48] <muszek_> hi... I (muszek) have created a repo.  another user on the same machine (tomekg) made a checkout and bind'ed his repo to mine.  Now when he tries to commit, he gets a "permission denied" error.  I figure it's about "regular unix file permissions"... how should I handle this?
[19:48] <hischild> cwillu, i just run firefox at home and route that
[19:48] <cwillu> hischild, gah
[19:48] <cwillu> why would you pipe graphic data remotely?
[19:49] <hischild> cwillu, because we can't set proxy's at school for programs. Funny thing is that it runs so smooth (yes it does) that you don't notice a difference
[19:49] <cwillu> html+css+images is orders of magnitude smaller than the screen data required to display firefox remotely :)
[19:49] <nextstep> cwillu:  just a mess of graphical artifacts all over the screen now
[19:49] <h3sp4wn_> Why not just use NX or freenx
[19:49] <xrhstaraspatra> i'm sorry asking you again, but i have  overlays and flickering on 3d games/programs only when compiz is activated? - with graphic card ati radeon hd2400 , help?
[19:49] <cwillu> h3sp4wn_, ssh works out of the box, and integrates into the existing window manager
[19:49] <DanaG> Anybody else just have gnome session break?
[19:49] <hischild> because i'm lazy :P
[19:49] <h3sp4wn_> cwillu: So does NX
[19:49] <DanaG> I can't log into gnome anymore.
[19:50] <cwillu> freenx, on the other hand, is just annoying, isn't installed by default
[19:50] <nextstep> DanaG :  welcome to the party
[19:50] <DanaG> Should I just downgrade gnome-session?
[19:50] <h3sp4wn_> cwillu: Other than the default part but defaults are crappy anyway
[19:50] <nextstep> you can login, but you get no screen after .. right ?
[19:50] <hischild> DanaG, nextstep, assuming it's gnome specific, would i be safe when using fluxbox and updating?
[19:50] <cwillu> h3sp4wn_, they don't force you to use a window anymore?
[19:51] <h3sp4wn_> cwillu: Nah - I am using the one from nomachine.com (non free) its like citrix
[19:51] <h3sp4wn_> You can load a desktop or an app
[19:51] <cwillu> h3sp4wn_, either way, there's much to be said for not requiring additional installed software, especially when the point of interest was a machine that he presumably doesn't have admin access to :p
[19:51] <hischild> school machine yes :
[19:51] <hischild> :(
[19:52] <nextstep> DanaG .. you want to try to downgrade and see if it fixes you ?
[19:52] <DanaG> Odd: I seem to have to dpkg --configure -a
[19:53] <nextstep> been there done that ... still broken for me sadly
[19:53] <DanaG> gnome-system-monitor, gconf-editor, gnome-media-common, libgnome-desktop, and a whole bunch of other things.
[19:53] <nextstep> i didnt even pay attention to what updates I applied today .. was there a gnome one in there ?
[19:53] <DanaG> I'll try downgrading.
[19:54] <DanaG> Also, when I was installing the updates, HAL randomly stopped and didn
[19:54] <DanaG> didn't restart.
[19:55] <DanaG> 2.22-0ubuntu2 works.
[19:55] <DanaG> gnome-session, that is.
[19:55] <nextstep> kk ... how do i force downgrade ?
[19:55] <sami88> An Error occurred: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb: unable to make backup link of `./lib/modules/2.6.24-15-generic/kernel/drivers/net/irda/actisys-sir.ko' before installing new version
[19:55] <sami88> What on earth do I do?!
[19:56] <DanaG> sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-session_2.22.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[19:56] <DanaG> Installs that specific version.
[19:56] <nextstep> thanks
[19:56] <DanaG> Why does hpijs never ever ever ever ever show changelogs?
[19:57] <DanaG> ever.
[19:57] <x0x> hey guys check out http://www.dnswatch.info/dns/dnslookup?la=en&host=www.hotircchat.com&type=A&submit=Resolve
[19:57] <DanaG> spam?
[19:57] <x0x> why i getting this error :s
[19:57] <sami88> Guys I desperately need your help
[19:58] <nextstep> kk DanaG .. i am rebooting now
[19:58] <x0x> i have added dns
[19:58] <DanaG> don't reboot
[19:58] <DanaG> just kill X.
[19:58] <x0x> DanaG that look likes like spam?
[19:58] <sami88> sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-session_2.22.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[19:58] <x0x> DanaG that look like spam?
[19:58] <nextstep> danag:  cant even get into X at all after doing the reconfigure xserver-xorg
[19:58] <StucKman> where can I get the ubuntu installer's kernel config?
[19:58] <DanaG> Who keeps telling people to dpkg-reconfigure xorg?
[19:59] <DanaG> It's not a be-all end-all solution to everything.
[19:59] <nextstep> it broke me even more it seems
[19:59] <nextstep> X is completely dead now
[19:59] <karmelek> anybody experienced problems with printing on 8.04?
[19:59] <DanaG> There should be a backup xorg.conf somewhere.
[19:59] <x0x> who can help me with dns?
[19:59] <StucKman> x0x: here
[19:59] <nextstep> well 1 monitor can view X .. the other is out of bounds for the graphics
[19:59] <nextstep> and its the primary
[20:00] <sami88> error processing linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-15-generic (--configure): dependency problems - leaving uncofigured
[20:00] <x0x> StucKman can i pm you?
[20:00] <DanaG> Odd: I select a theme in gnome-appearance-properties, I get "Custom" instead.
[20:00] <DanaG> It doesn't apply the metacity theme.
[20:01] <sami88> Save me jebus!
[20:01] <nextstep> uugh .. DanaG got any more ideas on this ... cant even start X now
[20:02] <dotpavan> DanaG, it is usually advised to make backup copies of xorg conf, menu.lst, sources.list before making changes
[20:02] <DanaG> Yup.
[20:02] <DanaG> I have a quite tweaked xorg.conf; boy, was I surprised when it was randomly destroyed and replaced with one using vmmouse.
[20:03] <DanaG> That happened after one xorg update -- with no notice or confirmation.
[20:03] <xx0xx> StucKman you there?
[20:03] <sami88> I can't update!
[20:03] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[20:03] <h3sp4wn_> I have never known it not make a backup
[20:03] <DanaG> But I was randomly clicking things on accident because ALL my touchpad settings were discarded.
[20:03] <sami88> An Error occurred: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb: unable to make backup link of `./lib/modules/2.6.24-15-generic/kernel/drivers/net/irda/actisys-sir.ko' before installing new version
[20:04] <sami88> No one will help?
[20:05] <nextstep> Can anyone help with this....  after a dpkg reconfigure of xorg file I can no long view X because it is out of bounds for my monitor.  Manually changing the xorg.conf file to include a resolution it supports does nothing either.
[20:06] <karmelek> My hp 840c prints very strange -
[20:06] <karmelek> it stops printing after some lines and continue on the next sheet of paper
[20:07] <karmelek> how to fix it?
[20:07] <cwillu> nextstep, investigate xrandr
[20:07] <cwillu> (terminal app)
[20:08] <nextstep> i had a very custom xorg.conf file that was working with my multimonitor setup ... so i hate to think everything is broken because of this update
[20:08] <nextstep> putting it back in as the default xorg.conf file does the same thing
[20:09] <nextstep> could this be an nvidia driver issue ?
[20:10] <redwhitewaldo> ﻿is there a terminal command to import pics from digital camera to computer?
[20:10] <nextstep> ohh wait .. i just got 1 of my 3 screens back in x
[20:11] <nextstep> lmfao .. except i have no network in X .. only in shell
[20:12] <nextstep> does envy work in hardy ?
[20:12] <jbroome> nextstep: yeah
[20:12] <nextstep> kk
[20:16] <nextstep> brb
[20:16] <kane77> where did the share settings go in hardy??
[20:16] <kane77> I mean samba of course...
[20:17] <Pirate_Hunter> has there been a fix for the screen resolution problem in hardy if not can anyone tell me where the xorg file is located?
[20:18] <Pirate_Hunter> Am i the only one who believes this beta release is outrageous but yeah can someone answer my question
[20:18] <insomninja> Pirate_Hunter, the xorg.conf is located in /etc/X11 remember to make a backup before editing it
[20:18] <StucKman> Pirate_Hunter: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:18] <sourcemaker> I have instaled virtualbox but by windows 2000 server does not start... there is no error message
[20:19] <Pirate_Hunter> insomninja: yeah will do so
[20:19] <Pirate_Hunter> insomninja, StucKman: thanx
[20:22] <Pirate_Hunter> insomninja, StucKman: just incase has there been a fix for screen resolution in hardy and if i mess up xorg file how can i use the backup i.e. what is the command again?
[20:22] <StucKman> Pirate_Hunter: just nuke the new broken config and copy/move the old one over
[20:24] <insomninja> Pirate_Hunter, in the terminal (you might need to log in first): sudo cp the_backup_file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:24] <K|> why should it be outrageous?
[20:24] <Pirate_Hunter> StucKman: I would but i did not know beta was this messed up so i havent got a copy of my old config file from gutsy :(
[20:25] <DanaG> Look in /etc/X11 -- you may be able to find a backup.
[20:25] <Pirate_Hunter> StucKman: this beta release is making me cross :/
[20:25] <Pirate_Hunter> insomninja: thanx will write that down
[20:25] <DanaG> Input-hotplug is annoying -- it means you can no longer configure evdev through xorg.conf.
[20:25] <MrKeuner> what is the latest iso I can download? is it the beta published a while back?
[20:26] <jbroome> !daily | MrKeuner
[20:26] <ubotu> MrKeuner: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:26] <awen_> if anybody is using kubuntu hardy and have time for it... please test kde-guidance-powermanager from https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive , it has added support for showing power consumption when on battery; please tell if it works for you (or not)
[20:26] <MrKeuner> jbroome: thanks
[20:26] <racquad> Hello everybody! Does anyone know where can I change the default gnome calculator? I have  a MS natural keyboard with a shortcut to the calculator but I don't like the gnome's default one.
[20:27] <MrKeuner> racquad: check update-alternatives, though not sure
[20:28] <MrKeuner> racquad: what does an "MS natural keyboard" have that others don't in terms of calculator thingy?
[20:29] <mheath> racquad: To make sure I understand you correctly....
[20:29] <racquad> Nothing, it's just that I like that keyboard and I would like to use my prefered calculator program
[20:29] <mheath> Your button correctly opens the Gnome Calculuator, and you just want to change what calculator app its opening?
[20:29] <MrKeuner> racquad: ah Ok but how do you run the default calc?
[20:30] <MrKeuner> hmm I see
[20:30] <MrKeuner> update-alternatives might work
[20:30] <racquad> MrKeuner: I just press the "Calculator" button on my keyboard. That's the point.
[20:30] <K|> awen_: how do i start it?
[20:31] <MrKeuner> racquad: yep I would try update-alternatives
[20:31] <racquad> At keyboard preferencer window, I can only set which is the button that starts the calculator program, not which calculator program
[20:31] <MrKeuner> racquad: that's correct
[20:32] <awen_> K|: you should have a battery icon in your lower left corner ... close that one, and start it again with the command guidance-power-manager
[20:32] <racquad> MrKeuner: at /etc/alternatives I don't see any symlink to calculator. So I don't think that update-alternatives should apply
[20:32] <MrKeuner> racquad: then, sorry I have no further idea
[20:33] <mheath> racquad: hold on a second, I'm poking through gconf, seeing if I can find anything relevent
[20:33] <racquad> mheath: thanks
[20:34] <K|> awen_: it tells me 0:00 remaining
[20:34] <K|> with 97% battery
[20:34] <MrKeuner> can I log vino connections(any attempts) in 8.04.24?
[20:34] <K|> ah, now it updated to 3:05 remaining
[20:35] <mheath> racquad: I don't see anything right off. A temporary hack/solution would be to mv /usr/bin/gcalctool /usr/bin/gcalctool.old, and then symlink /usr/bin/gcalctool to your new app.
[20:35] <K|> and now it tells me the time to charge
[20:35] <awen_> K|: it should show the current power-consumption? eg. 25 W
[20:36] <racquad> mheath: Just what I thought. It works, but at the next system update, there's the risk to loose this config :)
[20:36] <awen_> K|: but only when you are running on battery
[20:36] <kane77> so how do I configure shares using samba? I have been able to share a folder in nautilus by right clicking and configuring share options, I see this folder BUT where do I specify password to connect??
[20:36] <mheath> racquad: one second
[20:37] <K|> awen_: shows me "Discharging (97%) - W"
[20:38] <ader10> The near-instant tooltips are extremely annoying/intrusive to me. Is there a way to delay or disable them?
[20:39] <awen_> K|: hmm ... can I ask you to run "lshal | grep battery" and put in a pastebin? :)
[20:40] <ader10> The tooltips are especially annoying in pidgin, azureus, and the icons on my toolbars
[20:40] <insomninja> is there a console command to change key map, from Swedish dvorak to English dvorak and back, I can't use gnome-keyboard-properties as I'm not currently running gnome
[20:41] <K|> awen_: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/892172
[20:41] <insomninja> is loadkeys perhaps what I want?
[20:41] <DanaG> setxkbmap
[20:41] <DanaG> try 'man' about it.
[20:42] <insomninja> DanaG, thanks
[20:42] <awen_> K|: thanks ... seems your battery does not support it, I'll poke you in a bit to have you test it again and see, that the unneeded W isn't there... thanks for the help so far :)
[20:43] <dudicus> quick question about building with deps. in my control file (I am rebuilding mysql server) I have variables like mysql-common (>= ${source:Version}), ${shlibs:Depends} these end up being NULL ones debuild finally gets to that point. Why are these variables null?
[20:43] <K|> awen_: You're welcome
[20:44] <dudicus> could it possibly be that I am running debuild -d  ?
[20:45] <xx0xx> i am getting error with bind9. NDC command failed : rndc: connect failed: connection refused
[20:46] <sarixe> hi, where can i find the changelog for the newest amarok update?
[20:46] <awen_> K|: I've uploaded a new version ... you should be able to test it in around 20 minutes
[20:46] <K|> will do
[20:47] <awen_> K|: thanks a lot
[20:47] <miip_> is anyone using virt-manager to remotecontrol kvm over ssh on another machine successfully?
[20:47] <jbroome> miip_: i haven't poked @ kvm much, but it's on my list
[20:48] <miip_> on localhost virt-manager works great, but i had some trouble with a remote machine
[20:49] <goldins> cwillu: so the CD works...
[20:49] <goldins> so does the -generic kernel
[20:49] <goldins> which is what I'm using now
[20:49] <ubuntu> Right, I have a current install of Ubuntu Hardy on my 300gig hard drive. I now want to install Kubuntu on my machine while keeping Ubuntu - so i can dual boot. Im on the Kubuntu live cd, how do i do this?
[20:50] <goldins> ubuntu: Why?
[20:50] <nextstep> Well I am back and still cant get anything to happen in X .. login is fine but past that is nothing.  Any ideas ?
[20:51] <ubuntu> Goldins: So I can change between the two operating systems, because im thinking of changing from gnome to KDE, but I don't want to complely change
[20:51] <goldins> nextstep: did you do something to it?
[20:51] <goldins> ubuntu: I'm pretty sure you can install the kde packages on ubuntu, and decide at login which to use.
[20:51] <ader10> The near-instant tooltips are extremely annoying/intrusive to me. Is there a way to delay or disable them? ﻿The tooltips are especially annoying in pidgin, azureus, and the icons on my toolbars.
[20:51] <awen_> ubuntu: just install the package "kubuntu-desktop"
[20:51] <goldins> ubuntu: the only difference would be the login manager
[20:52] <ubuntu> will it get all the repos and stuff for kubuntu?
[20:52] <goldins> which, if you really, REALLY, wanted to, you could change as well
[20:52] <ubuntu> or will I do that myself?
[20:52] <goldins> There are separate repos?
[20:52] <ubuntu> I thought there were, maybe not ;)
[20:52] <miip> no
[20:52] <miip> its all the same
[20:53] <nextstep> goldins: just did the updates today and that broke everything and someone here told me to reconfigure xorg which broke things even more
[20:53] <h3sp4wn_> There is one repo with some experimental kde4 stuff
[20:53] <ubuntu> right so if I install kubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu system I can choose what enviroment to use on login?
[20:53] <goldins> nextstep: that's awesome.
[20:53] <nextstep> I can at least get into X now, but i have to wait for the 5 min failover time
[20:53] <miip> ubuntu: yes
[20:53] <ubuntu> sweet
[20:53] <ubuntu> I love you guys
[20:53] <goldins> nextstep: move your xorg.conf
[20:53] <ubuntu> ttyl
[20:54] <goldins> nextstep, somewhere like xorg.conf.bak
[20:54] <nextstep> yeah .. tried that already as well as replacing it with my original one .. i dont think that is the issue.
[20:54] <nextstep> problem seems to be that gnome will not load properly
[20:54] <goldins> nextstep: ah. Well.
[20:54] <goldins> try installing another window manager and see if that's the problem
[20:54] <goldins> I use ion
[20:54] <goldins> installing it will add it to the sessions list
[20:55] <nextstep> humm .. ok let me just install kde desktop then and see what explodes
[20:55] <goldins> whoa
[20:55] <goldins> KDE is huge
[20:55] <goldins> are you sure you want that?
[20:55] <goldins> install something puny
[20:55] <nextstep> suggestions ?
[20:56] <goldins> like fvwm or ion
[20:56] <goldins> brb
[20:56] <nextstep> ion3 i assume ?
[20:58] <nextstep> yea﻿h .. its gnome .. ion loads perfectly fine
[20:58] <billisnice> beta stinks
[20:58] <billisnice> lol
[20:58] <billisnice> does the ubuntu team update the download CD daily?
[20:59] <nextstep> ﻿anyone know what to do in this situation?  should i just reinstall all the gnome ﻿stuff ?
[21:01] <DanaG> Version 2.22.1-0ubuntu3:    * ensure that metacity is the default window manager after a dapper->hardy upgrade
[21:01] <DanaG> I think that gnome-session update is what broke gnome.
[21:01] <DanaG> I rolled that one package back, and it fixed it.
[21:01] <DanaG> (I also had to first run dpkg --configure -a )
[21:02] <DanaG> I also see an nvidia-glx-new update, but I haven't installed it.
[21:02] <Prefix> Is there a way i can just install all the packages on a Kubuntu CD?
[21:02] <swuboo> Has anyone else been having a problem with Firefox fonts looking godawful?
[21:03] <ader10> The near-instant tooltips are extremely annoying/intrusive to me. Is there a way to delay or disable them? ﻿The tooltips are especially annoying in pidgin, azureus, and the icons on my toolbars.
[21:03] <nextstep> dana:  doesnt seem that rolling back to that version did anything for me
[21:03] <awen_> K|: the new version is ready in my PPA
[21:04] <nextstep> ﻿let me force install it again and see what happens
[21:05] <nextstep> danag:  what is that command 1 more time please ?
[21:07] <swuboo> No thoughts on Firefox 3 fonts, then?
[21:07] <esox> Hi, I would like to know, if I update gutsy to hardy, will it keep all settings, and those settings will work - I mean udev rules, home-compiled softs, xorg settings (I've noticed that hardy's xorh is quite different), including my wacom tablet settings (hardy doesn't provide pre-settings in the regular xorg) ,?
[21:07] <derspankster> swuboo: they look fine to me
[21:07] <K|> awen_: ok, works, and the w is gone
[21:08] <awen_> K|: thanks a lot for testing ... you were just the test case I needed
[21:08] <akk> swuboo: I didn't see your problem, but there was a bug in installing new ttf fonts that's fixed now, bug 212669
[21:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212669 in x-ttcidfont-conf "newly installed fonts don't show up in hardy" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212669
[21:09] <K|> awen_: no problem, if i can help the good cause :)
[21:10] <nextstep> danaG:  can you please tell me how to install that older package again ?
[21:15] <KenSentMe> I got some trouble connecting my laptop to the wireless network at work. How can i stop networkmanager using the interface and how can i get wpa_supplicant to use it?
[21:16] <nextstep> is DanaG still here ?
[21:17] <swuboo> akk:  Ah, thanks.
[21:17] <swuboo> Sorry, missed your reply akk.
[21:17] <jaffarkelshac> cisti whats the problem
[21:19] <KenSentMe> Or is it possible to install an earlier version of networkmanager (like the one in gutsy) on a hardy system?
[21:19] <nextstep> Ok .. maybe I should just start over here.  After the latest updates my gnome is completely broken.  Only will start in failsafe mode.  Can someone help me either roll back to the previous version or fix the updated one ?
[21:20] <stefg> nextstep: first try adding a new test user and log in as that
[21:20] <goldins> I can't get my nvidia stuff working :-(
[21:20] <nextstep> stefg:  ok .. doing that now
[21:21] <nextstep> stefg:  also just so you know i have a tar file of my entire system from last night ... if i have to restore
[21:22] <esox> what is the best, installing from CD or updating gutsy ?
[21:24] <stefg> esox: i'd always prefer a fresh install (if you have /home separate) cleaner and quicker
[21:25] <stefg> !clone
[21:25] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[21:25] <esox> stefg: I didnt manage to use udev rules for my midibox with hardy the way I did on gutsy
[21:26] <dfeuer> Has the Gutsy problem with Intel wireless flaking out been fixed in Hardy?
[21:27] <sourcemaker> when I use vpn on linux... I receive the following message:  martian source, ll.. what's wrong?
[21:27] <nextstep> stefg:  I would love to tell you, but now i cant get into x again . .. screen resoution is out of bound
[21:27] <esox> stefg: and also some xorg settings didnt work on hardy
[21:29] <stefg> esox: run sudo dpkg-reconfugure xserer-xorg
[21:29] <stefg> esox: run sudo dpkg-reconfugure xserver-xorg
[21:30] <stefg> aaarrgghh
[21:30] <stefg> esox: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:30] <stefg> esox: ati video?
[21:30] <esox> stefg: yes but some settings that helped me to solve a cursor corruption crashed X. Yes ati radeon X700 mobility
[21:31] <esox> with ati closed drivers
[21:31] <stefg> probably problems with the new kernel and the restricted driver
[21:31] <nextstep> stefg:  starting with a new user is the same issue.  gnome is corrupted it appears
[21:32] <nextstep> just goes to a blank desktop
[21:32] <nextstep> then after 5 mins to the failsafe gnome
[21:32] <stefg> nextstep: sure, the problem is the ati driver / mismatch with the new kernel. so it's no user setting
[21:33] <nextstep> stefg:  actually I am on nvidia
[21:33] <nextstep> and even with envy or the ubuntu driver I have no change
[21:33] <billisnice> 123 updates going on now on  my machine
[21:33] <stefg> sorry.. mixed up two persons
[21:33] <nextstep> np
[21:33] <nextstep> how to do go back to the previous version of gnome ?
[21:34] <pen> is there a way to control NVIDIA Powermizer?
[21:34] <nextstep> the one before this update broke the world
[21:35] <esox> stefg: will this mismatch be solved on released version ?
[21:36] <esox> stefg: and will hardy keep my wacom settings ?
[21:36] <stefg> esox: i think so. so hardy is beta, that means that updates are released, even when not all dependencies are met at the same time.
[21:36] <Black_Magic> X Error of failed request:  GLXBadDrawable
[21:36] <Black_Magic>   Major opcode of failed request:  143 (GLX)
[21:36] <Black_Magic>   Minor opcode of failed request:  5 (X_GLXMakeCurrent)
[21:36] <Black_Magic>   Serial number of failed request:  524
[21:36] <Black_Magic>   Current serial number in output stream:  524
[21:36] <Black_Magic>  Im getting that
[21:37] <Moniker42> !paste
[21:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[21:37] <Black_Magic> meant to pastebinit...
[21:37] <Moniker42> missed?
[21:37] <esox> stefg: but if I update now, the update manager will clear everything ?
[21:37] <Black_Magic> Moniker42: I usualy do /exec pastebinit <text or file?
[21:37] <Black_Magic> Moniker42: I usualy do /exec pastebinit <text or file>
[21:37] <Black_Magic> forgot the /exec pastebinit
[21:38] <Black_Magic> How does Piping command to pastebinit work
[21:38] <stefg> esox: i can't tell, depends on wether all packages are already uploaded and synced in the repos.
[21:38] <Black_Magic> Like a live command so itl paste that
[21:39] <esox> stefg: I mean : I will not have to do a new install at release time ?
[21:40] <nextstep> stefg:  you know ?
[21:40] <stefg> esox: usually not.... wait some time. but doing a fresh install when the release happens is a good idea anyway. sometmes the beta phase leaves inconsistencies,
[21:41] <Black_Magic> savvas: HEY! i think you fixed it
[21:41] <Black_Magic> and hopefully it worked
[21:41] <nextstep>  /sad
[21:41] <Black_Magic> i didnt get the hplips error i didnt even go through the entire Purge
[21:41] <Black_Magic> it did something with selinux
[21:41] <nextstep> i guess i get to format and reinstall this thing then
[21:41] <Black_Magic> i think SELinux was causing the problem
[21:41] <stefg> nextstep: all i know is that i run hardy since alpha 5 on nvidia with gnome, and i have /no/ breakage. it's already better for than gutsy
[21:41] <stefg> better for me
[21:42] <Black_Magic> nextstep: You DONT have to reinstall
[21:42] <nextstep> any other ideas then
[21:42] <nextstep> this update has me hosed
[21:42] <Black_Magic> nextstep: just keep this one until stable test around for a while and if you get majour errors then do a reinstall
[21:42] <stefg> nextstep: see /topic
[21:42] <Black_Magic> or make a new partition for the vanilla unchanged hardy
[21:43] <nextstep> well i cant get into gnome .. so its fairly impossible to do anything
[21:43] <Black_Magic> nextstep: Have you tried xfix?
[21:43] <Black_Magic> Using recovery thing
[21:43] <nextstep> i tried .. but didnt work
[21:43] <nextstep> plus that just really fixes the xorg file and my issue is gnome
[21:44] <Black_Magic> get any errors during text boot?
[21:44] <nextstep> nothing related
[21:44] <Black_Magic> :/
[21:44] <Black_Magic> well then....is your /home on another patiton?
[21:44] <nextstep> i just need to go back to the pre-update gnome
[21:44] <Black_Magic> You could try if you have a reliable wireless or ethernet connection removing gnome
[21:44] <Black_Magic> then reinstalling
[21:44] <nextstep> yeah i have home seperated, I however dont have my 200 monitored machines install of nagios in my home
[21:45] <Black_Magic> doing sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:45] <nextstep> so either way ... /sad panda
[21:45] <nextstep> lol
[21:45] <Black_Magic> Why does my Computer go better without FGLRX?
[21:45] <nextstep> im already at the newest everything, its the gnome i got today that is broken
[21:45] <Black_Magic> atm its using mesa
[21:45] <Black_Magic> nextstep: do sudo apt-get remove gnome
[21:46] <Black_Magic> nextstep: then i think the Ubuntu package website has a package place to download packages and then grab the gnome package from there
[21:46] <Black_Magic> and then insalll
[21:46] <Black_Magic> *install
[21:47] <nextstep> trying a gnome reinstall .. although i have done this once already
[21:47] <Black_Magic> stefg: Erm when i was in text boot it said Unable to set kernal variables [Fail]
[21:47] <lunaphyte_> hi
[21:47] <Black_Magic> nextstep: Try Purging gnome then reinstalling
[21:47] <sivel27> any way to see what my audio hardware is identified is?
[21:47] <Black_Magic> nextstep: with aptitude
[21:48] <nextstep> sudo apt-get purge gnome*    correct ?
[21:48] <Black_Magic> Im pretty sure...i wont test that tho
[21:48] <Black_Magic> :{
[21:48] <nextstep> lol
[21:48] <Black_Magic> :P
[21:48] <nextstep> kk cant get any worse
[21:48] <Black_Magic> use aptitude
[21:48] <Black_Magic> sudo aptitude pure gnome
[21:48] <Black_Magic> gnome is a smarter system them APT
[21:48] <Black_Magic> i mean Aptitiude
[21:48] <Black_Magic> :/
[21:49] <nextstep> gnome by itself does nothing .. i assume i have to * it
[21:49] <nextstep> ?
[21:49] <Black_Magic> yea
[21:50] <nextstep> lol .. more than 40 packages exist with gnome in them .. so it cant do it
[21:50] <nextstep>  /shoots gnome
[21:50] <Black_Magic> try sudo aptitude -f install
[21:50] <pen> is there a way to control NVIDIA Powermizer?
[21:50] <Black_Magic> sometimes aptitude comes up with fixes...
[21:50] <nextstep> i think gnome-session is the broken one
[21:51] <ph8> is avahi a default part of ubuntu now? or has it squirreled its way onto this machine through some other means?
[21:51] <Black_Magic> WHOAH!
[21:51] <Black_Magic> gnome has ALOT of packages...
[21:51] <nextstep> yeah ..
[21:51] <nextstep> lots
[21:51] <nextstep> and it also removes ubuntu-desktop .. lol
[21:52] <Black_Magic> try apt-get remove gnome2
[21:52] <Black_Magic> s/apt/aptitude
[21:53] <Black_Magic>  gnome - The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components
[21:53] <nextstep> kk
[21:53] <nextstep> reinstalling gnome-sesssion and ubuntu-desktop atm
[21:53] <Black_Magic> i excuted cache search and was scrolling up to find gnome
[21:54] <nextstep> here goes reboot 1000000 of the day
[21:54] <nextstep> i feel like windows all over again
[21:54] <h3sp4wn_> pen: tried nvidia-settings ?
[21:54] <Black_Magic> nextstep: LOL
[21:54] <Black_Magic> atleast no blue screen >.>
[21:54] <pen> h3sp4wn_: of course
[21:55] <Black_Magic> nextstep: remeber those blue screen errors...
[21:55] <pen> h3sp4wn_: there is no pull down menu to choose modes
[21:55] <nextstep> unfortunately yes﻿
[21:55] <h3sp4wn_> pen: Wait 30 seconds I think on my other laptop I can change those modes
[21:55] <pen> h3sp4wn_: really?
[21:56] <nastas> there is a folder in my trash that i can't delete. it says "Error removing file: Permission denied" any idea???
[21:56] <Black_Magic> nastas: Use root nautilus..
[21:56] <Black_Magic> or sudo rm -f
[21:56] <Black_Magic> <filename here>
[21:56] <Black_Magic> or path/to/file
[21:57] <nextstep> yeah .. this is still a mess ... wont start into X still. I will just reload the thing tomorrow and start over i guess
[21:57] <henryvps> hello.. i just updated my 8.04 and now my gnome panel is buggy.. if i reboot it shows up but hangs.. when i restart X, the panel won't appear at all..
[21:58] <nastas> Black_Magic root nautilus shows empty trash
[21:58] <Black_Magic> go to your /home/<Your User>
[21:58] <h3sp4wn_> pen: Hmmm something has changed - I have disabled powermizer before
[21:58] <Black_Magic> then select show hidden files and go to .trash
[21:59] <Black_Magic> should be something there then
[21:59] <pen> h3sp4wn_: really?
[21:59] <h3sp4wn_> yep I will try to remember how I did it
[22:00] <nastas> there is no .trash folder in /home/user
[22:00] <nextstep> its .Trash in the shell
[22:00] <nextstep> if that is what you are doing
[22:00] <nextstep> case sensitive
[22:01] <jbroome> it's not /home/user, it's /home/YOURLOGINNAME if that's giving you trouble
[22:01] <sarixe> or just ~
[22:01] <jbroome> right
[22:02] <pen> h3sp4wn_: k
[22:04] <nastas> any suggestion?
[22:04] <sarixe> so... i just upgraded amarok to 1.4.9, and while now it works with dbus and hal, it doesn't actually want to connect.  instead of connecting, it just sits, and gives no errors.
[22:05] <sarixe> maybe there's something being output to the terminal i'm missing
[22:06] <sarixe> nope
[22:12] <N3WFI3> hows hardy ppl, does it feel rdy for release?
[22:12] <N3WFI3> not many days to go
[22:12] <jk__> well no problems from me
[22:12] <kane77> N3WFI3, not many problems really.. I find it very stable for me...
[22:12] <jk__> some nvidia problems with resolution
[22:12] <N3WFI3> i figured i would stick with gutsy till the next stable rls is out
[22:13] <jbroome> N3WFI3: good idea
[22:13] <N3WFI3> works very well
[22:13] <kane77> but I haven't tested suspend and hibernate - two things I prayed for every evening and morning :)
[22:13] <N3WFI3> i never use those things
[22:13] <billisnice_> After 123 uppdates today I am missing Application>add/remove. How do i get add/remove back?
[22:14] <kane77> N3WFI3, it is _very_ useful for laptop
[22:14] <N3WFI3> ya
[22:14] <N3WFI3> i only use desktop :)
[22:15] <ader10> The near-instant tooltips are extremely annoying/intrusive to me. Is there a way to delay or disable them? ﻿The tooltips are especially annoying in pidgin, azureus, and the icons on my toolbars. Please help.
[22:16] <jbroome> ader10: i noticed the ones on pidgin, haven't been bothered by them anywhere else
[22:16] <N3WFI3> is there any huge features in hardy that people will notice right away?
[22:17] <kane77> policy kit, pulse audio
[22:17] <N3WFI3> cool
[22:18] <akk> ader10: might look in gconf-editor for something related to tooltip delay? Or google on gtk toolkit delay, maybe with gconf added
[22:18] <AboSamoor> how can update iwl3945 module, i have one which version 1.2.0 ?
[22:18] <kane77> although I'm not sure if it's that noticeable.. there are many small changes, new versions of programs (OO.org 2.4, wesnoth 1.4, xmoto 4.2 etc.)
[22:19] <ader10> akk: nothing in gconf-editor
[22:25] <h3sp4wn_> AboSamoor: use the - wireless-compat tarball
[22:26] <h3sp4wn_> AboSamoor: http://linuxwireless.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6/compat-wireless-2.6.tar.bz2
[22:28] <swatTX> is this the right place for a hardy question?
[22:29] <N3WFI3> yup
[22:30] <bicyclist> Are there any news on the pink shadow topic in hardy ?
[22:30] <swatTX> Ok. I seem to be having trouble with some system updates. I get to item 139 of 185 and then i get an error message saying "Could not download the upgrades"
[22:30] <ader10> The near-instant tooltips are extremely annoying/intrusive to me. Is there a way to delay or disable them? ﻿The tooltips are especially annoying in pidgin, azureus, and the icons on my toolbars. Please help.
[22:30] <Boohbah> pink shadow... ?
[22:31] <Boohbah> ader10: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[22:32] <Black_Magic> anyone thought of Burning hmm...
[22:32] <jbroome> the near-constant repeating of the tooltip question is extremely annoyin/intrusive to me.  Is there a way to delay or disable them?
[22:32] <ader10> Boohbah: ?
[22:32] <ader10> Boohbah: Does it install kde3.x or 4?
[22:32] <Boohbah> 3.5.9
[22:33] <ader10> Boohbah: Will it install kde4 after the release of hardy?
[22:33] <derspankster> I don't think it's possible but has anyone been able to run compiz with the sis661 card?
[22:34] <Boohbah> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[22:34] <Boohbah> will install kde4
[22:34] <sarixe> anyone else having problems with amarok+ipod?
[22:34] <ader10> Boohbah: Will it install kde4 after the release of hardy?
[22:34] <Boohbah> yes, now and after release
[22:35] <ader10> Boohbah: I don't like kde4 :\
[22:35] <Boohbah> well, it's got a lot of work left to be done...
[22:35] <ader10> correct
[22:35] <ader10> no dual-monitor support, high resource usage
[22:36] <ader10> imho it was prematurely released
[22:36] <AboSamoor> how can i install that ?
[22:36] <AboSamoor> h3sp4wn_ how i can install that wireless-compat tarball
[22:40] <Moniker42> umm... is that bloody irritating region selector going to be in the final release?
[22:40] <swatTX> anyone having problems downloading updates?
[22:40] <Moniker42> it looks lovely, but it took me something like ten seconds to select my city with my laptop trackpad
[22:42] <derspankster> swatTX: what kind of trouble?
[22:43] <quittt> how many days we have?
[22:43] <Dr_willis> Moniker42,  ya mean the timezone thing?
[22:43] <Moniker42> yea
[22:43] <swatTX> derspankster: My system is telling me that there are updates but I can't download and install them all.
[22:43] <h3sp4wn> AboSamoor: uncompress it - tar xf
[22:43] <h3sp4wn> AboSamoor: then just run make
[22:44] <derspankster> swatTX: Oh, sometimes update manager hangs for me and I have kill it and start over.
[22:44] <Stormx2> My URL handler for firefox beta 5 seems broken. Things like xchat can no longer open links. Any fix available?
[22:44] <Boohbah> Stormx2: it's a beta... use firefox 2
[22:45] <swatTX> derspankster: Well it's not hanging on me... it just tells me that it couldn't download the updates and then the update manager rolls back or whatever.
[22:45] <Stormx2> Boohbah: I don't want to downgrade. plus I'm pretty sure it isn't a firefox problem.
[22:45] <Stormx2> Boohbah, anyway, I thought it's wrong to use packages outside of the repositories?
[22:45] <swatTX> derspankster: It's also telling me something about a 'partial update' , which i've never seen before
[22:45] <Boohbah> Stormx2: sudo apt-get install firefox-2
[22:46] <derspankster> swatTX: have you run the partial update?
[22:46] <Stormx2> I'd rather fix this problem
[22:46] <Stormx2> Thanks.
[22:46] <Stormx2> I don't want to go back to firefox 2 just when I got used to 3.
[22:46] <Boohbah> yes 3 is an improvement
[22:46] <Boohbah> but beta 5 breaks adblock plus for now... :(
[22:47] <swatTX> derspankster: not completely. that's where the problem arises about downloading the updates. I noticed that there was 185 items and I've managed to get to item 139
[22:47] <derspankster> Stormx2: I had the same problem with B4, when B5 came along it was fixed.
[22:47] <Stormx2> Oh blimey, heh.
[22:47] <Stormx2> derspankster: Oh, I've found the problem.
[22:47] <Stormx2> Preferred app for web links: /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b4/firefox "%s"
[22:47]  * Stormx2 fixes.
[22:47] <derspankster> broken packages?
[22:47] <redwhitewaldo> what's the official HardyHeron way of making dual-monitor support (2 video-out jacks- card) to work in Hardy ?
[22:48] <Fritzel> does anyone happen to know where I can get the microsoft fonts for use under wine? I have the necessary liscensing
[22:48] <Stormx2> Fritzel: msttcorefonts?
[22:48] <Fritzel> if that's it yeah
[22:49] <aguitel> anyone use wireless card with chipset Realtek 8180L ?
[22:49] <Fritzel> I'm not seeing it in the repo, which is understandable, but I'm not exactly sure where to look? would that just be something I get directly off of microsoft and install under wine?
[22:50] <derspankster> Stormx2: Good for you!
[22:51] <Fritzel> ok I take that back it shows up on the command line but not in adept ><
[22:54] <Dr_willis> http://www.howtoforge.com/dual-monitor-setup-on-ubuntu7.10
[22:54] <Dr_willis> !info msttcorefonts
[22:54] <ubotu> msttcorefonts (source: msttcorefonts): Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.4 (hardy), package size 34 kB, installed size 196 kB
[22:54] <Dr_willis> You need to enable the Multiverse repo.
[22:55] <redwhitewaldo> Dr_willis: u talking to me?
[22:55] <Dr_willis> redwhitewaldo,  looks like thats ONE site with the info u asked for. If you have a nvidia card you will want to enable twinview
[22:56] <redwhitewaldo> Dr_willis: thanks. but my card is Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc R480 [Radeon X850XT Platinum (PCIE)]
[22:56] <Dr_willis> backup yur xorg.conf in any case.
[22:56] <Dr_willis> as for ati - they have some similer thing to Twinview- but ive never used it.
[22:56] <redwhitewaldo> Dr_willis: i got dualmonitor working on 7.10 by editing my xorg and doing an xrandr command. is there no more user-friendly way in 8.04?
[22:57] <Xiol32> hey everyone, does anyone know if 8.04 will allow me to get my multi-monitor setup right, cos thats whats holding me back at the minute. got one monitor on DVI, the other on VGA. I need to swap my monitors around so that 2 is my primary and 1 is my secondary, but i can't seem to do it with 7.10, even using nvidia-settings...
[22:57] <Dr_willis> redwhitewaldo,  no idea. I dont use ati. For my Nvidia card i run 2 commands fromthe shell. restart X and its done.
[22:57] <swatTX> Can anyone help me? I'm having problems updating my system. When i click on the update icon in the upper right tray it tells me that there is a 'Partial Upgrade' but I can't complete the updates.
[22:58] <Dr_willis> Xiol32,   Only issue ive had befor with nvidia and twnivew was GDM/KDM started on the wrong screen. that was fixable with the kdm/gdmrc config files.
[22:59] <Dr_willis> Xiol32,  I also had to drag the panels from one screen to the other initially. :) but under hardy i do not thinki had to do that. I belive the nvidia config tools let me selext what monitor was #0 and what one was #1   I dont recall any issues like those under hardy.
[22:59] <Xiol32> Dr_willis: yeah, for me the panels and such appear on my second monitor, rather than my primary. no matter what i do i just can't get it to think that the DVI monitor is my primary monitor. i will try again when 8.04 is released, currently running it on laptop
[22:59] <Dr_willis> Xiol32,  so yes.multimonitor under hardy worked better.
[22:59] <Dr_willis> Xiol32,  i just drug the panels over to the other monitor.  the first time i logged in.
[23:00] <Xiol32> Dr_willis: ah good, i shall give it another shot then when it's released. haha, yeah i shohuld've thought of just dragging them across, though cos that monitor was primary i presumed everything would launch on that monitor...
[23:00] <Dr_willis> The nvidia tools are not installed by default with the nvidia-glx drivers however. you need to install them from a seperate package.
[23:03] <swatTX> Can anyone help me? I'm having problems updating my system. When i click on the update icon in the upper right tray it tells me that there is a 'Partial Upgrade' but I can't complete the updates.
[23:05] <Dr_willis> !upgrade
[23:05] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[23:05] <esox> I was doing a ,webh update from gutsy, at the end of download, I had a message error saying the download wasn t done.... and then I reboot, and I have lots of updates going on...
[23:06] <esox> 738 updates...
[23:06] <esox> what's that mess ?
[23:07] <swatTX> Dr_willis: I'm already on Hardy so that page is of no use.
[23:07] <esox> ubotu: you have an idea ?
[23:08] <esox> is it messing up my gutsy ?
[23:08] <aTrain78> anyone have a mx4000 and 8.04 working correctly?
[23:09] <esox> nobody can help ?
[23:10] <esox> allo ???
[23:10] <Moniker42> ello esox
[23:10] <sarixe> anyone else having problems with amarok 1.4.9 and connecting an ipod?
[23:11] <esox> did you see my previous messages ?
[23:11] <sarixe> esox : ubotu is a bot
[23:11] <esox> Moniker42: I tried an update of my gutsy, and it messes all my system...
[23:11] <Moniker42> well this is #
[23:11] <Moniker42> oops
[23:11] <Moniker42> this is #ubuntu+1
[23:12] <sarixe> lol
[23:12] <Moniker42> which is for the next release of ubuntu (hardy heron)
[23:12] <esox> Moniker42: I was updating to hardy...
[23:13] <nemo> !@#$ iwl3945 - still broken. driving me mad
[23:13] <nemo> I thought it was my config. but is definitely this driver
[23:13] <esox> Moniker42: and all download of new package was ok, but at the end it said it wasnt able to download... it did a automatic dpkg-reconfigure -a and the I reboot and its installing 738 updates...
[23:14] <swatTX> Can anyone help me? I'm having problems updating my system. When i click on the update icon in the upper right tray it tells me that there is a 'Partial Upgrade' but I can't complete the updates.
[23:14] <swatTX> I'm already on Hardy
[23:14] <esox> swatTX: exactly the same but still on gutsy after trying to update to hardy
[23:15] <esox> 738 updates
[23:15] <esox> ...
[23:16] <swatTX> esox: I've been on Hardy for at least a week now but today there were these updates, I'm lost and hoping i don't have to reinstall.
[23:16] <nemo> http://www.google.com/search?q=iwl3945+RX+deauthentication+reason%3D6
[23:16] <nemo> *sigh*
[23:17] <esox> swatTX: same for me... i just spend one day to install a clean gutsy to update hardy...
[23:17] <esox> and no help
[23:19] <swatTX> esox: since you're still on gutsy have you tried asking in the #ubuntu room?
[23:19] <esox> swatTX: well they will tell me : you were updating to hardy, its a hardy update ,issue
[23:20] <subpar> anything i should be wary of before updating with the new updates?
[23:20] <esox> subpar: carefull  I just tried and update and its a mess...
[23:21] <subpar> does it wreck the system or just a bunch of broken dependencies like the last one
[23:22] <esox> subpar: well the dowload of new files stopped at the end with an error, it did a dpkg-reconfigure -a and now its making a partial update of 738 files
[23:22] <Xiol32> esox: did you just do the update today? i updated a 7.10 machine to 8.04 yesterday with no issues
[23:23] <esox> Xiol32: 30 min ago
[23:23] <subpar> I know the update from yesterday had some stuff broken in it
[23:23] <Xiol32> esox: ah. can you not just run update-manager -d again? (i'm a noob, really...)
[23:23] <subpar> I was able to hotfix that
[23:23] <subpar> /echo $server
[23:23] <esox> Xiol32: what is -d ?
[23:23] <subpar> err
[23:24] <picard_pwns_kirk> is anyone else having a problem with liblaunchpad-integration (package)?
[23:24] <subpar> picard_pwns_kirk, yeah I had that problem yesterday
[23:24] <subpar> there's a hotfix for it
[23:24] <Xiol32> esox: it causes update-manager to look for the devel releases
[23:24] <picard_pwns_kirk> subpar: link?
[23:24] <subpar> hold on, I cleared my history this morning, so I have to find it again
[23:24] <Xiol32> esox: so you get a button at the top of update manager to do the dist upgrade for you
[23:26] <swatTX> what is this 'partial upgrade' non sense i keep seeing?
[23:26] <esox> swatTX: same thing, it tries to update to hardy to gutsy...
[23:26] <esox> from hardy to gutsy
[23:26] <subpar> I can't find it
[23:27] <subpar> it's the one where it can't overwrite the 16x16 png right?
[23:27] <picard_pwns_kirk> yeah
[23:27] <esox> swatTX: and now, I'm on gutsy with termnal looking like hardy
[23:27] <picard_pwns_kirk> I've found a bug post
[23:27] <picard_pwns_kirk> I'll try it
[23:27] <subpar> ah
[23:27] <subpar> yeah that's what I did
[23:27] <Xiol32> esox: it's trying to "upgrade" from 8.04 to 7.10? i'm confused.
[23:27] <subpar> it fixes it just fine
[23:27] <esox> Xiol32: yes it is, I'm confused too
[23:27] <swatTX> esox: what does it say when you type 'lsb_release -a' into the terminal?
[23:28] <esox> swatTX: it says hardy...
[23:28] <esox> I'm lost
[23:29] <swatTX> esox: says the same for me.
[23:30] <esox> swatTX: http://pastebin.org/28651
[23:30] <esox> I try a reboot
[23:30] <swatTX> This is the first time i've seen this 'partial update' prompt though so I'm not sure what's up with that. Everytime i try to do the update it asks me for my password, then goes straight to 139 of 185 and then tells me it can't download anything
[23:31] <Xiol32> somehow i don't think a reboot is going to fix his problems!
[23:32] <swatTX> if our problems are similar it won't, i've tried that twice now.
[23:33] <Xiol32> swatTX: ive noticed that rebooting will fix windows machines, printers, routers, other networking gear, phones, tvs, radios, most other electronic equipment... but rebooting a linux box does nothing at all.
[23:33] <Gilou> sometimes, it does :)
[23:33] <swatTX> the only thing i can think of is that somehow some system files got screwed up. When i got to my machine this morning i had an error saying something about 'not being able to hibernate properly' or something to that effect. Then i tried to do the updates and here i am
[23:34] <Fritzel> is there a way to restart sound without restarting X?
[23:34] <Gilou> what "sound" Fritzel ?
[23:34] <esox> ok, I'm on hardy with a gutsy kernel...
[23:34] <Gilou>  /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart would restart the sound server
[23:34] <Fritzel> whatever hardy KDE4 uses by default,
[23:34] <Fritzel> thank you
[23:35] <Fritzel> umm
[23:35] <Fritzel> that's odd
[23:35] <Fritzel> no init script for pulse audio, yet audio does work (or will anyway if I relogin)
[23:35] <esox> swatTX: and it still wants to upgrade from hardy to gutsy...
[23:35] <swatTX> esox: how can you tell that it's trying to go back to gutsy?
[23:37] <reya276> anyone know how to get Wacom Bamboo tablet working on Harfy
[23:37] <esox> swatTX: when I start update manager it says partial updatge, I say, ok it says cant do update from hardy to gutsy with that stuff
[23:37] <reya276> Hardy
[23:37] <Fritzel> what would I be using if the pulse audio script isn't there? pulse is what is used by default on hardy kde4 correct?
[23:37] <OasisGames> I keep getting a Nautilus crash when I select an icon:  symbol lookup error: /.../libnautilus-burn-extension.so: undefined symbol: nautilus_file_info_get_mount
[23:38] <esox> swatTX: no way out...
[23:39] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/190968
[23:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190968 in linux "[hardy] [regression] iwl3945 doesn't associate on kernel 2.6.24-7" [Medium,Triaged]
[23:39] <nemo> I believe I have that same bug. wireless is completely non-functional
[23:39] <nemo> unfortunately, I didn't preserve 2.6.24-5
[23:39] <nemo> anyone here who can help me try that release?
[23:39] <esox> swatTX: I'm still on 2.6.22 kernel
[23:39] <nemo> someone in the bug said downgrading worked for them
[23:39] <swatTX> esox: instead of doing the partial update i hit the close button. that took me back to the normal update screen. then i hit the check button and it's doing something now..
[23:40] <swatTX> esox: remind me how  to check my kernel again
[23:40] <esox> swatTX: if I hit close it doesnt do anything
[23:41] <nemo> swatTX: uname -r
[23:41] <swatTX> esox: i'm on 2.6.24-12-generic
[23:42] <esox> swatTX: I'm trying the updates one by one with synaptics
[23:43] <swatTX> nemo: thanks =p
[23:43] <aNOOBisa> does anybody work with idjc here?
[23:43] <nemo> now. if anyone could help me get back to 2.6.24-5...
[23:44] <ader10> The near-instant tooltips are extremely annoying/intrusive to me. Is there a way to delay or disable them? ﻿The tooltips are especially annoying in pidgin, azureus, and the icons on my toolbars. Please help.
[23:45] <aNOOBisa> has anybody ever compiled idjc on hh
[23:45] <swatTX> ader10: do you have compiz?
[23:45] <ader10> swatTX: I am not running compiz
[23:46] <swatTX> ader10: only reason i ask is because i found how to disable tooltips with compiz-fusion. didn't mean to get you hopes up.
[23:47] <ader10> swatTX: No problem, it's nice to know that not everybody ignores me :)
[23:47] <swatTX> ader10: i can relate
[23:49] <swatTX> esox: any luck? I'm still downloading files (184 of 332)
[23:49] <orudie> so what are some of the main updates/features of 8.04 over 7.10 ?
[23:49] <Ssam`> hey.....if i install ubuntu 8.10 beta
[23:49] <Ssam`> will i be able to update it to the release when its out?
[23:49] <ader10> Ssam`: yes
[23:49] <OasisGames> Ssam`: It'll update itself.
[23:50] <Ssam`> ok
[23:50] <esox> swatTX: after a few manual updates with synaptics updxate manager is a bit more polite...
[23:50] <Ssam`> is there a text based installer?
[23:50] <Ssam`> or min install
[23:50] <Agrajag-> g'day, does anyone else have a problem with resized/large images ff3b5? i often get blank/black images in websites, but if i "copy image location" and view the image by itself (not resized), it looks ok
[23:50] <iro> Anyone knows how to configure a sound card? i have a speaker icon with a red symbol on it ;( ?
[23:50] <Ssam`> i got a 12kb dl
[23:51] <Ssam`> iro alsamixer
[23:51] <iro> you mean i should install it? or is it installed already i din't check ;P
[23:52] <orudie> i currently have 7.10 server ed installed, will it update itself  when 8.04 comes out ?
[23:52] <swatTX> esox: is it still saying you have like 789 updates or something like that?
[23:53] <Ssam`> lol orudie yes it will update itsself...i asked that like 4 seconds ago
[23:53] <nodekra> i have trouble in 804 with network.... eth0 is up but link is dead (( .. what can i do?
[23:53] <esox> swatTX: no, only 159 now...
[23:53] <redwhitewaldo> is Hardy heron using libstdc++5 or is it on libstdc++6? please tell me.
[23:53] <orudie> Ssam`, you asked about installing beta
[23:53] <nodekra> in another OS network work fine
[23:53] <Ssam`> iro lsmod | grep snd
[23:54] <orudie> Ssam`, i dont really want to install the beta, cause i dont see a need to
[23:54] <Ssam`> iro:  tell me what that returns
[23:54] <iro> Ssam` nothing :P
[23:54] <orudie> Ssam`, still cant get an answer how is 8.04 different from 7.10
[23:54] <Sergeant_Pony> alot different
[23:54] <Ssam`> i dont noe i am on debian ask them
[23:54] <iro> Ssam` : irek@irek-desktop:~$ lsmod | grep snd
[23:54] <iro> irek@irek-desktop:~$
[23:54] <Sergeant_Pony> I'm running it here on my laptop
[23:54] <Ssam`> hrmm your sound card isnt installed
[23:55] <orudie> Sergeant_Pony, how is it different ?
[23:55] <iro> it is ;P
[23:55] <OasisGames> GNOME 2.22, Compiz is at 0.7.2 (or did they get 0.7.4 into it yet? Meh, we're gonna push out 0.7.6 really soon anyway), FF3 works perfectly, etc. Lots of new things.
[23:55] <iro> i didn't touch it and it worked in 7.10
[23:55] <nodekra>  i have trouble in 804 with network.... eth0 is up but link is dead (( .. what can i do?
[23:55] <orudie> Sergeant_Pony, do you have a server ed ?
[23:55] <Sergeant_Pony> orudie: new features... improvements....fixes
[23:56] <Ssam`> iro:  well its not being detected reboot if that helps i dont noe it helps with me
[23:56] <Ssam`> and install alsamixer
[23:56] <Sergeant_Pony> orudie: my server is still 7.10
[23:56] <iro> Ssam` i rebooted like 50 times :P i also have graphic problems
[23:56] <dexter> hi guyz
[23:57] <Ssam`> and u just upgraded?
[23:57] <iro> yeah
[23:57] <Ssam`> hrmmm reinstall the driver
[23:57] <iro> well i installed a clean 7.10 and upgraded to 8.04 cuz i had no CDs at home
[23:57] <dexter> i m new to ubuntu and i m facing some problem with my display can any one help me with it?
[23:58] <iro> Ssam` "E: Couldn't find package alsamixer
[23:58] <iro> "
[23:58] <Ssam`> dexter: #ubuntu
[23:58] <icanhasadmin> yay, another update with nothing broken,
[23:58] <Sergeant_Pony> cool
[23:58] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: you get your wifi to work?
[23:58] <dexter> i cant understand <Ssam>
[23:58] <Ssam`> aptitude install alsa-utils
[23:58] <esox> swatTX: any success?
[23:59] <Ssam`> dexter: you are in the wrong channel try #ubuntu this is #ubuntu+1
[23:59] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin : did the setup this am.. still same problem it sees the wifi but can't connect and get ip
[23:59] <swatTX> esox: at 237 of 332 now
[23:59] <iro> ok guys i'll be back later got 2 get some food :P
[23:59] <pewsh> hm - my box locks up during "creating ext3 file system for / "
[23:59] <dexter> but there i was told to join #ubuntu+1
[23:59] <dexter> any way i m going back to #ubuntu
[23:59] <pewsh> I setup software raid1 - I'm wondering if that caused an issue
[23:59] <Ssam`> brb eating
[23:59] <Sergeant_Pony> dexter: this is fir 8.04 support