[14:35] <cody-somerville> _MMA_, How is Ubuntu Studio coming?
[14:35] <_MMA_> Well. :) I just tested today's daily.
[14:50] <kwwii> hi all
[14:51] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/kuti_heron_tweak-new1.png
[14:51] <kwwii> an improved wallpaper?
[14:55] <kwwii> _MMA_: check that out and let me know what you think
[14:55] <_MMA_> kwwii: OMG! Who shot the chicken? It's so bloody.
[14:55] <kwwii> :p
[14:55] <kwwii> long live the ubuntu chicken
[14:55] <_MMA_> :P
[14:56] <_MMA_> kwwii: It's fine with me in any case.
[15:17] <savvas> kwwii: that chicken should be de-centralised :P
[15:18] <savvas> i mean, it should be at the right corner, just as the original one :)
[15:20] <kwwii> savvas: we had a problem with the chicken being cut off on the right side
[15:20] <kwwii> as it is not 4:3 on some peoples monitor the zoom effect cuts off the right side
[15:23] <DanaG> Chicken?
[15:23] <DanaG> Hmm, I hadn't heard it called that before.
[15:24] <DanaG> One thing I would like to see: the other (red-crested) design from "remix-more-polish" on the wiki.
[15:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and you will be tweaking the GDM theme a bit more, right?
[15:25] <kwwii> the thing is that we are also printing t-shirts with this stuff so it has to be done in an hour or so
[15:26] <kwwii> and final freeze is tomorrow
[15:26] <DanaG> Wow.
[15:27] <DanaG> It just seems odd to me to have two of the three coil-thingies be the same orange color.
[15:28] <_MMA_> kwwii: I think the whole thing should be brown.
[15:28] <_MMA_> No Blue.
[15:28] <_MMA_> No green.
[15:28] <andreasn> _MMA_: gold
[15:29] <_MMA_> :P
[15:29] <DanaG> I like orange.
[15:29] <_MMA_> I like apples.
[15:29] <_MMA_> The heart of the matter. ^^^
[15:29] <andreasn> the color of dreams
[15:29] <andreasn> and a scent of children tears
[15:29] <DanaG> Huh?
[15:29] <_MMA_> hahahahahaha
[15:30] <DanaG> To me, the red where it is still looks a bit bad.
[15:30] <savvas> kwwii: hm.. actually i had that problem as well, can't we manipulate svg to get a proper output for wide screens and normal ones?
[15:30] <DanaG> And what's with the floaty dots?
[15:31] <DanaG> I've actually come to like the (brown) background just fine, though.
[15:32] <_MMA_> Floaty dots are the new aqua pill. ;)
[15:33] <kwwii> I think that i should just leave it as is :p
[15:33] <kwwii> less work for me
[15:34] <DanaG> Just changing colors?  There was a source for the other heron.
[15:34] <kwwii> i do like the red crested chicken though
[15:34] <DanaG> That's the one.
[15:34] <_MMA_> mmm....
[15:34] <DanaG> Heron, chicken, whatever.  It's an abstract bird -- it looks pretty snazzy no matter what you call it.  But that IS the first time I'd heard it called a chicken.
[15:35]  * _MMA_ wants some buffalo wings.
[15:35] <DanaG> Oh yeah, is the current wallpaper a png or an svg?  If it's svg, I can just tweak the background color myself.
[15:37] <DanaG> Heh, I didn't initially know that "buffalo" == "spicy" -- so one day I had a "Buffalo Chicken" pizza slice, and was surprised when it was quite spicy.  It was good, though.
[15:43] <cody-somerville> The exact same bird thing is at a local restaurant here
[16:08]  * DanaG wants red-crested birf.
[16:09] <kwwii> I am really bad at drawing birf's
[16:10]  * andreasn read "barfing birds" there for a moment
[16:11] <DanaG> Yo, there's a source for that one already.
[16:11] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=source.tar.bz2
[16:14] <kwwii> which one is that?
[16:14] <DanaG> source for remix-more-polish.png
[16:14] <DanaG> You can grab the heron from there.  The source is svg, I believe.
[16:16] <_MMA_> At this point, there's no need to touch it. Unless there's an extension like Dapper. Too close to final.
[16:17] <DanaG> It does look odd having two of the three spiral thingies be orange.
[16:20] <kwwii> I do not think that such a drastic change one day before the final freeze is a good idea
[16:21]  * _MMA_ thinks we should just all switch to Macs and be done with it.
[16:53] <cody-somerville> But Macs are easy to hack :(
[16:54] <_MMA_> hehe
[16:54] <_MMA_> Only with Flash installed right?
 savvas: we had a problem with the chicken being cut off on the right side
 as it is not 4:3 on some peoples monitor the zoom effect cuts off the right side
[17:11] <troy_s> Then compose two perhaps?
[17:11] <troy_s> Center punching option shouldn't even be on the table -- that's more mooky than mooky.
[17:12] <troy_s> kwwii: How was it getting chopped?
[17:13] <_MMA_> troy_s: It might end up being a space on the disk issue as well.
[17:14] <troy_s> _MMA_:  I don't know what to say.  Centre punching is worse than worse.
[17:14] <kwwii> troy_s: it is a mix of scaling and cropping to keep the aspect ratio
[17:14] <troy_s> _MMA_: With the more nerfed tones the composition is already put on the hairy edge.
[17:14] <_MMA_> I know you don't like it but it servers 2 purposes. 1) Saves space. 2) Maintains aspect across desktops. Though, like you said, isnt the optimal thing.
[17:14] <kwwii> not in the svg but in the zoom desktop background thing
[17:15] <troy_s> kwwii: Zoom is not allowing the chicken to stay on the screen?
[17:15] <_MMA_> *serves
[17:15] <kwwii> hrm, maybe the chicken is just shy
[17:15] <troy_s> _MMA_: Sure.  Aware.
[17:15] <kwwii> the is one smart chicken
[17:15] <troy_s> _MMA_: Centre punching is just not an option and shouldn't be.
[17:15] <kwwii> s/the/that
[17:16] <troy_s> kwwii: I can only imagine that hte bird would get chopped in what -- less than .05% of installs?
[17:16] <troy_s> kwwii: Is there a bug report?
[17:17] <kwwii> troy_s: actually, as the pic is not in 4:3 ration I guess a lot of them get cut off
[17:17] <_MMA_> troy_s: So you saying most have 4:3 screens? .95?
[17:17] <troy_s> kwwii: Whoever's decision that is should be shot.  Centre punching is a dead giveaway to complete mooka palooka.
[17:18] <_MMA_> hahahah
[17:18] <_MMA_> So is using brown.
[17:18] <_MMA_> Wait.
[17:18] <_MMA_> Orange.
[17:18] <_MMA_> No Blue.
[17:18] <troy_s> _MMA_: Zoom shouldn't be shifting it that much.  And even if it were, perhaps there is an option by making the bird larger and letting it clip a little.
[17:19] <troy_s> _MMA_: Composition has been around a while.  I'd suggest that it isn't exactly abstract suggestion.
[17:19] <troy_s> ;)
[17:19]  * _MMA_ downloads the bloddy chicken.
[17:19] <troy_s> _MMA_: There are tomes written on the matter.  So uh... :P
[17:21] <_MMA_> Actually, the new image is fine. It's almost center on 4:3. kwwii: It's fine. I'd ship it.
[17:21] <troy_s> _MMA_: *sigh*
[17:21] <_MMA_> There's no way its getting clipped.
[17:22] <_MMA_> Which was the issue.
[17:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: Why is that an issue?
[17:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: I'll go on record saying that centre punching is at least as bad if not worse than clipping.  It is absolutely mookie as hell.
[17:22] <_MMA_> Don't know. Just what someone said. "savvas: we had a problem with the chicken being cut off on the right side"
[17:22] <_MMA_> It's not being cut off.
[17:22] <troy_s> _MMA_:  This is getting to be worse than bad TV.
[17:23] <kwwii> let's get out the boxing gloves
[17:23]  * _MMA_ goes to watch "The midget bachelor".
[17:24] <troy_s> kwwii: Naw.  It's just so extremely unfortunate that Ubuntu can't even get decent composition with its delivery.
[17:24] <kwwii> well, we are slowly getting there
[17:24] <_MMA_> kwwii: Hand the kid the source .svg (the one from the PNG above) and let him tinker with the composition.
[17:25] <troy_s> _MMA_: There is no solution
[17:25] <troy_s> _MMA_: As I said before
[17:25] <_MMA_> kwwii: But you can only ship 1 image.
[17:25] <_MMA_> bah
[17:25] <_MMA_> Meat for Troy. ^^
[17:25] <_MMA_> damn!
[17:25]  * _MMA_ cant type.
[17:25] <troy_s> _MMA_: It is _impossible_ to compose for two different aspect ratios.  That said, Let the fscking bird get clipped slightly.
[17:26] <_MMA_> troy_s: Soooo.... grab Kens current SVG and do what you will.
[17:26] <troy_s> _MMA_: Either that or some up with some sort of float scenario... Unless there is a clever way lurking in the corner.
[17:26] <troy_s> _MMA_: Maybe you didn't read that.
[17:26] <_MMA_> Compose for widescreen and see how the 4:3 get's chopped.
[17:26] <troy_s> _MMA_: How the heck do you get anything close to Phi on two photos that have different aspects without a float?
[17:27] <kwwii> I think I should find the nastiest ugly curve thing and replace the heron with it
[17:27] <_MMA_> troy_s: *If* we could to backgrounds like we do GDM it would be great.
[17:27] <troy_s> _MMA_: Yeah... thought.
[17:27] <troy_s> kwwii: Go with it.
[17:27] <troy_s> kwwii: Put that sad and unfortunate thing known as OpenSUSE background in there.
[17:28] <troy_s> kwwii: And colortone it brown.
[17:28] <troy_s> _MMA_: Honestly... I can't think of a way to have it on a 'non-clip'.
[17:28] <_MMA_> troy_s: But you're still avoiding grabbing the SVG and composing for widescreen regardless of how 4:3 will get cropped. :P
[17:29]  * _MMA_ wonders if an xml would even work.
[17:29]  * _MMA_ tests.
[17:29] <troy_s> _MMA_: Guy I have dicked with that chicken a _little_.
[17:29] <_MMA_> Sure.
[17:29] <_MMA_> We're here now talking. :P
[17:29] <troy_s> _MMA_: I just can't think of a way.  It isn't about dicking.
[17:29] <troy_s> _MMA_: And I am also simultaneously getting ready to go to my dental appointment you ass.
[17:29] <troy_s> lol
[17:29] <_MMA_> Ten why give shit if even you cant think of a way around? :)
[17:29] <_MMA_> hahahahhaha
[17:30]  * _MMA_ steals the Doc's pain meds.
[17:31] <_MMA_> s/Ten/Then
[17:33] <troy_s> _MMA_: I said just leave it then... let it clip.  This isn't some sort of security camera.
[17:33] <_MMA_> Looks like the only XML file it likes is one that defines all the wallpaper fading.
[17:34] <_MMA_> troy_s: Yeah. After givin' some shit about it. :P
[17:34] <troy_s> _MMA_: The issue is not whether or not we have a solution as the _END USER_ will care not, and after watching close to proper composition even on Saturday morning cartoons and commercials selling rubber frutiy-o's, will _perceive_ mookie
[17:34] <_MMA_> It's just not a great solution all around.
[17:34] <_MMA_> Notmuch anyone can do if only 1 image can be shipped.
[17:34] <troy_s> _MMA_: Agreed.  The question would be what is the less - more - worse - perception.
[17:35] <_MMA_> But even then, the 4:3 will be set and look like ass for 16:9/10 screens.
[17:35] <troy_s> _MMA_: And in this instance, I would vote that centre punching - with the desaturated background pulling the visual flow even more toward the bird, is _possibly_ worse.
[17:35] <troy_s> _MMA_: On both actually... which is the point.
[17:35] <troy_s> _MMA_: And even a quick perusal of say, BestBuy in the LCD section shows ... well not a lot of 4:5 screens.
[17:36] <troy_s> _MMA_: But alas.  This is probably all in vein as oddsmakers in Vegas have the bets placed already.
[17:36] <troy_s> _MMA_: Anyways, moving onto more productive things -- did you get your chore done?
[17:36] <_MMA_> The best solution would to be able to make XML wallpapers.
[17:37] <_MMA_> troy_s: Yes. Sent off.
[17:37] <_MMA_> We'll see what comes of it.
[17:38] <troy_s> _MMA_: Oh and if DanaG or whoever was asking about the dots comes back
[17:38] <troy_s> _MMA_: Those were in the original opacified version as heads -- they shouldn't be floating nor a different colour.  I asked Ashton about them.
[17:38] <troy_s> _MMA_: It was pretty clever.
[17:38] <troy_s> _MMA_: Dentist!  (Kudos on you for getting your chores done.)
[17:41] <_MMA_> troy_s: Sounds like a good GNOME bug for you to file upstream. "Allow .xml wallpapers."
[17:55] <kwwii> hrm, so what is better, installing 4:3 or whatever the other ratio currently is
[17:56] <kwwii> it definitely cuts off the right side on my desktop
[17:57] <_MMA_> Go with what you have.
[17:58] <_MMA_> Zoom and the widescreen image. To me, (who cares what Troy thinks anyway. ;)) it's the best solution we have ATM.
[18:06] <cody-somerville> _MMA_, Do you want to skype later? (like after I get off work)
[18:06] <_MMA_> sure. I should be around.
[20:30] <DnaX> qualcuno conosce e sa dove trovare Cimi? (quello che ha fatto Murrine)
[20:31] <_MMA_> DnaX: Channel is English. Cimi hasn't been here in a bit.
[20:32] <_MMA_> DnaX: Try @#murrine #archlinux.it #fsug-pd #oxygen or #archlinux
[20:34] <DnaX> thanks ;) sorry for italian
[20:42] <_MMA_> np
[21:57] <kwwii> so, there is a new wallpaper pacakge coming soon
[21:57] <kwwii> just to piss _MMA_ off
[21:57] <_MMA_> Thank god I don't get that ugly chicken in Studio. ;)
[21:58] <kwwii> _MMA_: no, I have a new policy for derivatives
[21:58] <kwwii> all derivatives *must* use a chicken based theme
[21:59] <kwwii> we are going to choke this chicken
[21:59] <_MMA_> Pfftt...
[22:00]  * _MMA_ makes it all greyscale and sets view to "center".
[22:01] <kwwii> and when the chicken is cooked we can move on
[22:02] <_MMA_> Im gonna make a black one and call it "Burnt chicken". :P