greg-gare missing hotkey actions assigned to the kernel?00:13
greg-gbug 210222 looks good (has the information requested from LaptopTestingTeam/HotkeyResearch) but the wiki pages on HotKeys don't say where to file the bugs (unless I missed it, which is a possibility)00:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 210222 in ubuntu "Special Laptop Keys don't work anymore (Toshiba M200)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21022200:14
* doom_ gn all00:18
bdmurraygreg-g: Some of that info was just added to the Debugging X page00:50
bdmurraygreg-g: actually at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting00:52
greg-gbdmurray: cool, I'm looking right now00:52
bdmurrayIt's fairly detailed00:52
greg-gyeah, looks like it, thats awesome00:53
greg-gso, from the section: "Problem involves missing support for some keyboard keys" it appears it should be assigned against either the kernel or HAL00:54
bdmurrayRight, it really depends on the laptop model00:56
greg-gok, obvious question then, linux or hal?00:56
bdmurrayFor that bug?00:57
greg-gyeah, specifically00:57
greg-gI seem to remember triaging one about this before, and it was set to the kernel and I believe it was taken care of.00:58
greg-gbut I could be remembering wrong00:58
bdmurraygreg-g: I don't see any toshiba stuff in /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/01:03
bdmurrayand I'm not certain where there xev information fits in01:08
greg-gyeah, it is a different code than what HAL is looking for01:09
greg-gdifferent type of code, that is01:10
greg-gbdmurray: I am heading out now, but when I get back I can ask the reporter for the dmesg output (even though they said they didn't see anything) and the result from method 2 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HotkeyResearch just for completeness sake01:17
jtechidnaA bug such as 200379 would be declared invalid because there is no way to reproduce it, correct?01:20
jtechidnabug 20037901:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 200379 in kdebase-kde4 "[KDE4] hardy, khtml/kdecore, konqueror crashed during regular use" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20037901:20
jtechidnaThe HowtoTriage wiki page said just as much but I would like to ask first to be on the safe side01:22
bdmurrayjtechidna: not really, it has a backtrace which might be useful to someone and there are some steps that could be tried.01:23
bdmurrayWhich part of the HowtoTriage page indicated it should be Invalid?01:25
yuriyjtechidna: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156172 looks like, at least, a similar backtrace01:28
ubotuKDE bug 156172 in general "konqueror crashes on close, reproducably" [Crash,New]01:28
jtechidnaSo I should ask the reporter if he can reproduce the bug using the steps from the upsream report?01:29
brettaltonhi there, I'm having a problem in Hardy... I can't seem to resolve this dependency problem for my cupsys driver... can anyone help?01:45
brettaltonThe following packages have unmet dependencies:01:45
brettalton  cupsys-bsd: Depends: cupsys-client (= 1.3.7-1ubuntu1) but 1.3.7-1ubuntu2 is installed.01:45
brettaltondoes anyone know if there is a problem with cupsys in hardy?01:56
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brettaltoncupsys - is it broken in Hardy?03:27
brettaltonlots of advertisements, no help03:57
brettaltonlove it03:57
pleaseandthankyois there a good diet softwares? like for a diabetes guy or a healthy living diet software for person who has heart d eases?04:02
secretlondonpleaseandthankyo, try #ubuntu04:04
mrooneyyes, they may be able to provide you with a more useful answer, this channel is just for bug discussion04:12
mrooneyhowever I would be interested in the answer04:12
mrooneyby the way is it just me or have there been a ton of updates in the last few days?04:13
mrooneyare they being pressured by the upcoming RC or final release?04:13
hggdhmrooney: yes :-)04:14
greg-gthere is always a mad freenzy of bug fixing/package updates in the weeks up to release04:15
greg-gI like it :)04:15
mrooneyhggdh: ahh okay. it just seemed like it went from 15-30 updates a day to 70-90 a day, with no smooth transition04:15
* greg-g is a spoiled user04:15
mrooneyas if magically everyone at the same day decided they had better fix some bugs04:15
secretlondonwell the deadline is 10th04:16
hggdhmrooney: they are trying to clean up loose ends, and cross the ttt, and dot the iiii04:16
* secretlondon is trying to quickly make a new package too04:16
hggdhthere you go...04:16
hggdhand there is an upcoming freeze04:17
mrooneyoh that explains it!04:17
mrooneyI guess I was thinking bugs could be fixed until the release for some silly reason, I immediately release that is wrong04:18
hggdhwell, a serious bug will get a freeze exception04:18
hggdhfor example, if we can find out what causes evolution-data-server to loop on (some) startup, I *will* request a freeze exception04:19
hggdhsecretlondon: yes, I thought you would be interested...04:20
* secretlondon still has that one04:20
hggdhbut I just cannot find what causes it, and upstream is somewhat lost also04:20
secretlondonloads of /me toos recently04:20
hggdhyeah :-(04:20
hggdhthe few stacktraces we could get (and I thank you for some of them) show GLIB only...04:21
hggdhthis is bugging the hell out of me...04:22
secretlondonI couldn't get anything else, regardless of which debug files I installed04:22
hggdhand I cannot reproduce it myself (well, I could once, but at the same time my significant other came by saying we were to go for a stroll *NOW*)04:23
hggdhthen... never more...04:23
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ligemegetHi all06:08
ligemegetCan someone please change the importance of bug 63352 ?06:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 63352 in linux "Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6335206:08
ligemegetI believe it should be marked as 'High' for the following reasons:06:09
ligemegethttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance states:06:10
ligemeget High: A bug which fulfills one of the following criteria:06:10
ligemegetHas a severe impact on a small portion of Ubuntu users (estimated) <-- TRUE06:10
ligemegetMakes a default Ubuntu installation generally unusable for some users  <-- TRUE (sound is essential for many of us)06:10
ligemegetA problem with an essential hardware component (disk controller, laptop built-in wireless, video card, keyboard, mouse) <-- TRUE (the sound card)06:10
RAOFligemeget: Changing it from "wishlist" to "high" isn't actually going to change how fast it gets fixed, you know.  There just aren't useful drivers for your device.  Caveat emptor.06:11
ligemegetRAOF, I know but atm the Comments section is being flooded with comments from X-Fi users feeling 'ignored' because of the fact that it's "only" on the Wishlist. This way it would seem that the Ubuntu Bugfolk acknowledge this as a problem.06:12
RAOFThe other way of viewing it is that it's not actually a bug at all.  Sure, it would be nice if it worked, but it never has in the past.06:12
ligemegethmm... But the abovementioned page states "A problem with an essential hardware component" - this seems like one such06:13
RAOFIt's not actually essential, and there's no reasonable way we can fix the problem.06:15
RAOFI mean, sound is nice, but the lack of it doesn't destroy your data, or render your system unusable.06:16
RAOFI wouldn't use a system without sound, but that hardly means the system is unusable.06:16
RAOFligemeget: Moreso, the only difference would be that we'd have a longstanding bug sitting at the "high" priority, rather than a longstanding bug sitting at "wishlist".  It's not going to be fixed by anyone working as an Ubuntu developer.06:17
ligemegetdamn, okay somehow I see your point...06:19
ligemegetBut since OSS seems to be working for some, there has to be some kind of workaround until Creative get off their asses...06:19
RAOFIt'll get fixed at some point because someone with an X-Fi card will want drivers enough to write them.06:20
RAOFHa!  Creative aren't going to do anything.06:20
RAOFThere _are_ kinda-working OSSv4 drivers.  Sadly, OSSv4 is unlikely to be in any Ubuntu release in the forseeable future.06:20
ligemegetI thought so, but goddammit can't they at least tip off the ALSA project? I mean, what do they lose by doing that?06:21
RAOFThose drivers should be useful to someone who wants to write ALSA drivers.  But currently no-one has the time, inclination and skill to write the ALSA drivers.06:22
ligemegetDamn... If you had to take a guess, when would you say that the X-Fi would possibly be supported out-of-the-box by Ubuntu..?06:24
RAOFI have absolutely no idea.  It could be supported in Intrepid, if someone (from the ALSA project) feels like writing the driver.  It could _never_ be supported.06:26
RAOFIt's likely to get supported at some point, but that point is not really predictable.06:27
ligemegethm, okay... (I'm considering going out and buy some cheap-ass sound card in order to just get SOME sound at least...)06:29
RAOFMight be worthwhile.  You can get some pretty good and cheap USB cards, apparently.06:30
ligemegetI'll look into it...06:30
ligemegetor maybe ask the ubuntuforums oracles06:30
saivannIf someone have a AMD64 machine and some minutes, can someone test & confirm bug 21443006:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 214430 in ubuntu "flash player does not work with konqueror kde4 x86_64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21443006:37
xtknightsaivann, come to think about it nothing's preventing me from instlaling konq kde4 lol06:41
xtknightsaivann, are you running konq4 from gnome or kde4?06:41
xtknighttoo bad i d/l at 25kb/sec now :(06:41
Arbyis bug 214286 the liblaunchpad problem people were taliking about yesterday?06:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 214286 in update-manager "update-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in PyEval_EvalFrameEx()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21428606:42
Arbyand is it fixed now?06:42
saivannxtknight : lol, I tried this in ubuntu (without kde/kde4)06:44
saivannxtknight : but it worked under 32 bit, only 64 bit did not work06:44
saivannxtknight : 25kb/s is very slow when downloading whole oxygen theme + kde libs :)06:45
xtknightsaivann, ok got it06:50
xtknightkde4 is uber sexy06:50
xtknighti dont think it's even finding my nspluginwrapper06:51
saivannxtknight : konqueror-kde4 has its own nspluginwrapper06:51
xtknightoh diff package?06:52
saivannxtknight : Yes, nspluginwrapper-kde4 I think06:52
saivannxtknight : You're right, kde4 looks really great :)06:53
saivannxtknight : konqueror-nsplugins-kde406:53
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xtknightsaivann, weird06:55
xtknightsaivann, i dont think flashplugin executes the kde4 nsplugger06:55
saivannxtknight : Should flashplugin-nonfree executes kde4 nsplugger when it installs?06:55
xtknightsaivann, yeah i mean basically mines like i dont even have a plugin06:56
xtknightinstalling flashplugin-nonfree installs nothing for kde406:56
xtknight  needs to exec /usr/lib/kde4/bin/nspluginscan06:56
xtknightsaivann, and indeed you did find a bug06:57
saivannxtknight : And did you get to reproduce the bug ? yes ? :P06:57
xtknightbecause mine doesn't work after that.  it's obvious the plugin is detected, and now mine fails06:57
saivannxtknight : Well we already have relevant informations about it, that's great06:57
saivannxtknight : What could be the cause? ia32-libs (I'm not so good as a developper)?06:58
xtknightill post my log and stuff06:58
xtknighthmm i dont know ill check it out in a second06:59
saivannxtknight : Thanks for your work on this!06:59
xtknightsaivann, same for you06:59
saivannxtknight : I did set the Importance to medium07:00
xtknightsaivann, oh i'm not sure if users have rights to change importance07:01
xtknighti'm surprised it let you :p07:01
saivannxtknight : I'm a member of the bug control team, that's why :)07:02
saivannwould have been very weird that launchpad accept this from somebody not from bug control team :P07:03
xtknightlol i should be on the bug control team07:03
xtknighti guess i never even applied07:04
saivannxtknight : Yeah you need to apply to get into the team and to demonstrate the quality of your work with this task, bdmurray always take new volunteers I think :)07:05
saivannxtknight : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/07:05
saivannxtknight : Do you have some clues on what is the right package name for this issue?07:07
xtknightsaivann, i'm thinking konqueror-kde4 is not handing nspluginwraper the proper window handle07:08
xtknightmost likely kde4 since nspluginwrapper works with everything else.  still i'm not sure07:08
xtknighttrying to get more debug info and a backtrace07:08
saivannxtknight : ok07:08
xtknightinstalling kde4libs-dbg07:10
xtknightsaivann, i guess you should do the same07:10
saivannxtknight : I'm installing.. I saw that konqueror-nsplugins have dbgsym packages but not konqueror-nsplugins-kde407:12
xtknightsaivann, hmm what do you mean?07:14
xtknightwell i dont have dbg packages for either07:14
xtknighti dont see dbg packages for either07:14
saivannxtknight : That's probably the dbgsym packages from people.ubuntu.com repositories07:15
saivannxtknight : that's the debugging packages from deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com hardy main universe07:17
xtknightnever seen those07:17
xtknighthey do you know what this means? To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line07:17
xtknighti ran konqueror with --sync nothing more happens07:17
xtknightinteresting stuff on debugging07:18
james_wxtknight: it makes a difference the the backtraces that you get in gdb07:18
xtknightweird. X picks up --sync on a program's command line?07:19
james_wmaybe a program has to do something to pass it on, but yes, each program doesn't parse --sync.07:20
saivannxtknight : I don't know a lot about debugging kde programs, does the classic gdb "receipe" from wiki.ubuntu.com is correct for konqueror?07:23
xtknightsaivann, not sure do you have a link to it?07:23
xtknightsaivann, yeah wont be much good w/o debug symbols.  maybe we can recompile konqueror-kde4 with debug symbols07:27
RAOFxtknight: Surely you the konqueror-kde4-dbgsym package exists?07:27
RAOFYou _have_ added the dbgsym repository, right?  My understanding was _everything_ in {main, universe} has a -dbgsym package.07:28
xtknightyes i added it07:28
xtknighti have dbgsym for knoqueror not kde4 though :(07:28
RAOFHm.  Odd.  You might want to point that out in #ubuntu-devel, I suspect.07:29
saivannI agree..07:29
xtknightsaivann, i'll be right back, reboot07:33
xtknightnot sure what we can do with this tonight07:33
saivannxtknight : ok07:34
saivannxtknight : rebooted??07:37
xtknightclosing 100 gedit windows07:37
saivannxtknight :P Desktop switcher applet is great, isn't it ? :)07:37
xtknightsaivann, so, i'm not sure what to do with this bug for tonight07:45
saivannxtknight : Well thanks for the time you took so far on this, I must go to sleep now but at least now we have the bug open, I believe that we should look with developers about kde4-dbgsym packages in the next days07:45
xtknightsaivann,  yeah same07:46
xtknightsleep sounds great right nw07:46
saivannxtknight : Hehe, we have done good works so far, I believe that we deserve some sleep :)07:46
saivannxtknight : If you're still here, what do you think about changing package name to kdebase-kde4?07:50
saivannxtknight : in the bug report07:50
xtknightsaivann, does that house konqueror-kde4?07:50
saivannxtknight : Yes07:50
xtknightsaivann, for now that sounds good07:51
saivannxtknight : since it's the file explorer in kde and the web browser07:51
saivannxtknight : This way, konqueror bug contacts would see the bug07:51
xtknightim not really sleeping07:51
xtknightjust sleeping from debugging07:51
saivannxtknight : Hehe, and me setting duplicates in usplash bugs :)07:52
* doom_ good morning all! :D08:58
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JontheEchidnaHow would I deal with the information given to me in this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/213306 ? He said that the bug stopped happening after an upgrade.12:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 213306 in kdebase-kde4 "No previews when browsing from a internet site or other program using konqueror." [Undecided,Confirmed]12:08
JontheEchidnaI can't exactly set it back to new because its not happening anymore, nor could I set it to fixed because we don't know if it was a real bug in the first place...12:08
JontheEchidnaand invalid seems a tad harsh12:08
seb128JontheEchidna: use "Bugs resolved after update or config change" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses and close it?12:09
JontheEchidnaOh, thanks. Missed that response12:09
seb128JontheEchidna: set it as fixed and use the comment12:09
* JontheEchidna nods12:10
emuhi folks I`m working on adept bugs atm, and noticed a lot bugs like "adept crashed while doing .... " or "adept crashed after ...." is there a appropriate meta-bug for those cases?15:24
qensenot that I know about15:29
qensehere is a page with a list of tags that are used by us: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags15:30
emuqense: thx I didn`t knew this page15:33
qenseyou're welcome ;)15:33
qenseI didn't see any adept tags though15:34
qensebut there are some packages that have other, mores specific tags at their wiki pages. But I don't know which.15:34
emuqense: What should I do, when it is not clear if it is a duplicate or not. Because adept crashes a lot in many cases, and to handle this only with empty backtraces is no fun.15:37
qensethere is a tag which can be used if you think it's likely a duplicate15:38
emui.e.: #19153915:38
qenseI should use that tag and ask in both reports if one of them might be a duplicate15:38
qenseand of course you can compare error logs if the same error messages(not general ones, but details, failed commands, the same things crashing because of the same thing)15:39
emuok thx15:39
pranawhat should the priority for bug 211805 be? Low?15:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 211805 in policykit-gnome "Username combo has 3 commas appended" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21180515:55
qenseI would say low or wishlist15:57
pranawould you care to set it to something?15:58
* prana is just going through his incompletes.15:59
pedro_wishlist is more for feature requests15:59
pedro_low is ok on that case15:59
qensebut isn't it a function?16:00
qenseI mean, those ,'s are meant to separate somethng16:00
qenseI think some information at the user creation dialogue almost no one uses16:00
pranathe ,s appear in the passwd field gecos field16:01
qensepassword field?16:01
qenseI should read it again16:01
pranaer sorry, passwd gecos field (in /etc/passwd)16:02
Iulianprana: Done16:02
pranait is used to store things like phone number, office number, etc, that probably no one ever uses.16:02
pranaIulian: thx.16:02
IulianHey bddebian, pedro_16:02
qensethat's what I just said :)16:02
bddebianHello Iulian16:02
pranaqense: yeah.16:02
pedro_hey Iulian :-)16:02
pranahm. how should i split bug 213308 into separate bugs? it is getting confusing.16:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 213308 in linux "kernel 2.6.24-14 and -15 won't boot" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21330816:04
Arbydoes bug 206104 really belong to update manager, the traceback suggests its an adept crash?16:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 206104 in update-manager "crashed with 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 0-10" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20610416:06
pranacan i just create new bugs and subscribe those users explicitly to them for their individual issues?16:08
bdmurrayprana: I'd split bug 213308 - I mean remove a couple of those other people's issues from it16:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 213308 in linux "Update from 2.6.24-12 to -14 or -15 results in changed uuid for root partition" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21330816:20
bdmurrayArby: the files mentioned in the traceback are from the update-manager package16:22
pranabdmurray: how is that splitting actually done?16:22
bdmurrayArby: so yes I think it is an update-manager bug16:22
pranabdmurray: i couldn't find anything about splitting bugs in my cursory search of the wiki. did i miss a page?16:23
bdmurrayprana: there isn't an automated way, I'd just tell them that there issues are separate and to submit new bugs containing the following information...16:23
pranabdmurray: ok cool, i just did that.16:23
pranaas to the original problem in that bug, i'd guess it has something to do with the old kernel seeing her disks as /dev/hdaX but the new kernels seeing the disks as /dev/sdaX.  I don't quite understand enough about UUIDs to know how to fix that tho.16:24
bdmurrayprana: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingUUID16:25
bdmurrayUsing UUIDs is supposed to protect from changes like hdaX to sdaX.  Each partition has a unique identifier that shouldn't change16:26
Arbybdmurray: ok16:26
pranabdmurray: ok, i asked for a copy of her fstab so we'll see if that helps.16:26
bdmurrayprana: I'm suspect her hard drive isn't being recognized when she boots the -14 or -15 kernel16:32
bdmurrayit'd be interesting to get some debug information when booting either of those kernels16:32
pranabdmurray: what'd be the best way for her to get the dmesg information out of the newer kernels?16:54
bdmurrayprana: it'd be available in the ash shell it's just a matter of getting it into launchpad. ;)  maybe usb devices would work at the point of the boot process16:56
pranabdmurray: hm. seems like there's no userspace really loaded yet, so it'd only have what might be on the initramfs?16:58
bdmurrayprana: right16:59
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saivannbdmurray : There is a open discussion in #ubuntu-devel concerning bugs that are not correctly triaged and a apparently, the main problems that is discussed is bugs that have patches which are finally ignored. Wouldn't that be a good idea to add a section in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage about what to do when a bug as a patch or a branch?18:46
james_wsaivann: I've just this second sent a mail to the list about this :-)18:47
saivannjames_w : Thanks, that's a really good idea18:48
james_wat the moment I missing any idea of how many bugs have neglected patches, so I've no idea what scale we are talking about.18:49
Le-Chuck_ITAhi there, tomorrow is freeze isn't it?18:50
james_wLe-Chuck_ITA: yep18:51
Le-Chuck_ITAin any case, there is a two character fix to the kernel sources that would close a one-year old bg18:51
Le-Chuck_ITALeann asked us to test it and everybody had difficulties because they had to compile the whole kernel18:51
Le-Chuck_ITAI was abroad, today I was back to my office and tested it, it works18:51
james_wsaivann: updating the HowToTriage page is a really good idea though, thanks.18:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137686 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[hardy] [gutsy] [regression] (regression from edgy to feisty and to gutsy) tifm_sd module not working and not producing any message in logs" [Low,Won't fix]18:51
james_wsaivann: I'll open it in my browser to remind me to do it tomorrow if no-one else has.18:52
Le-Chuck_ITAreally trivial fix, if someone takes a look we might provide a better LTS right on startup18:52
james_wLe-Chuck_ITA: I'm sure there will be kernel updates after freeze, so it should definitely be considered, but it doesn't need to be today if you are panicking.18:53
Le-Chuck_ITAthanks anyway18:53
bdmurrayogasawara: see that?18:53
Le-Chuck_ITAof course he does I just didn't know if he is a kernel developer or just a triager18:54
ogasawaraI'll ping the kernel team18:54
Le-Chuck_ITAthanks Leann18:54
saivannjames_w : Thanks a lot about this, don't hesitate to ask if I can do something to help with this18:56
james_wsaivann: great, thanks.18:56
qenseis bug 214622 a bug?18:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 214622 in gnome-system-tools "Can not change username in users-admin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21462218:56
qenseor is a protection18:57
james_wyeah, I don't think it's a bug18:58
james_wchanging your username would have all sorts of consequences.18:58
james_wI don't think you can do it with any CLI tool can you?18:58
rockstar_Yea, definitely not something that should be done in a GUI18:59
rockstar_james_w, not that I know of.18:59
james_w(and no, I'm not letting you edit /etc/passwd here)18:59
rockstar_You've got $HOME to change, /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow (and probably /etc/group)18:59
pranai thought there used to be gnome code to do this.18:59
james_wqense: you could ask in -devel for confirmation.19:03
qenseok,I'll do that19:03
bdmurrayjames_w: you asked about bug with patches numbers do you recall https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-January/024960.html19:05
james_wah yes.19:06
james_wthanks bdmurray19:06
james_wI looked at that list at the time, and there were a lot of false positives.19:06
james_wI'd still be interested in getting patches passed on by triagers as they see them, as that removes the false positives.19:07
bdmurrayI'm unclear on what to do with a "not ideal" patch.  Are we supposed to uncheck the patch flag?19:10
saivannqense : With Mac Os X and Windows, changing the "real" username is also impossible because it can have bad impact on programs that have data associated with that user profile19:10
saivannbdmurray : Shouldn't we just ask for improvement for these patches?19:11
qenseand what about file ownership?19:11
pranaqense: file ownership would be fine if the uid doesn't change.19:12
james_wbdmurray: with something that is definitely not a patch (logs or whatever) then please uncheck the patch flag19:12
saivannthat's right, I don't see any issues with file ownership (AFAIK, developers would probably know this better than I)19:12
bdmurraysaivann: Maybe, but at the same time we don't want to discourage people from contributing because their work isn't perfect.19:13
james_whowever I realise this is complicated as it's not very obvious whether it was checked, except by checking this list or equivalent.19:13
james_wbut, I would like it if it could be removed from a patch that needs more work, then we have a list of patches that need review.19:13
bdmurrayI'm more curious about what to do about patch that is for an old version of package that won't apply to the new version of the package.  Should we unmark it as a patch even though it really is a patch?19:14
pranaqense: the question really is whether or not it is grayed out on purpose (e.g. b/c of polkit somehow) or if was disabled by accident.  reporter suggests that it used to work in gutsy, right?19:14
saivannbdmurray : I agree, but still think that finding flaws in patch in order to make sure that people (or developers) can improve the patches would help patches getting uploaded, so in most case it would not be discouraging19:14
qenseI just replied with telling it was a feature request19:14
james_wbdmurray: yeah, now it's getting more complex, as it may be really easy to update the patch, or it may be loads of work, or even not be needed anymore. I'd still like it to be reviewed.19:15
pranaqense: maybe check the gnome-system-tools package and upstream for changes to see if it was explicitly disabled.19:15
saivannbdmurray : I share the same opinion than james_w on this19:15
qensebut it still doesn't work when the users-admin is unlocked19:15
james_wqense: I was looking at users-admin the other day, I can take a quick look if you would like.19:15
qenseif you know what to find where it's probably the best19:16
qenseI'll have to find out where to find everything first19:16
james_wgtk_widget_set_sensitive (widget, (login == NULL));19:17
james_wI think that's the call19:17
pranaqense: yeah i checked the unlock thing.19:17
james_wso you can only edit it if it's not set yet (i.e. you are creating a new user).19:18
pranajames_w: wonder if that really changed since old versions of Gnome.19:19
james_wyeah, it would be strange that it would be removed19:19
james_wunless it was buggy.19:19
qensewhere can you browse the svn/cvs/bzr/git of GNOME?19:20
qenseah, you're great :)19:21
pranathis may be a better link if you're going to include it in the bug http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-system-tools?view=revision&revision=401819:21
qenserevisin 4018!19:21
qense(user_settings_dialog_get_data): disallow changing login name.19:21
qenseyou were a little bit earlier :)19:22
pranabut yeah, gnome upstream disabled this feature for some reason. probably b/c it didn't work great.19:22
qenseok, what are we going to do with this?19:23
qensestill forwarding upstream as a feature request?19:23
sbarjolabug 204491 is resolved with last update, what status should it have?19:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 204491 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "Lost sound after upgrading from Fiesty to Hardy Alpha 6 w/ motherboard (ECS K7S5A) based sound SiS 735 chipset" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20449119:24
james_wso you can either ask the developer why it was changed, forward it (with a note saying that you saw it was disabled), or wontfix it.19:24
qenseI'll mail the developer19:24
pranais it bad form to set confirmed on your own bug if you have found an upstream confirmation?20:16
pedro_prana: in that case it's ok to confirm it20:17
KevinOberleCan someone answer a question for me about how to proceed with a bug?20:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 153943 in gdebi "Gdebi-kde uses massive amounts of memory!" [High,Confirmed]20:57
warren_please fix it :)20:57
marnanelwarren_: are you talking to someone in particular?21:05
warren_to everybody who could help21:05
affluxdo you think the importance of bug 63352 should be raised?21:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 63352 in linux "Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6335221:09
pranaanyone familiar with linux kernel (atatimeouts) or perhaps initramfs care to take a look at bug 213308?21:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 213308 in linux "Update from 2.6.24-12 to -14 or -15 results in changed uuid for root partition" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21330821:10
bdmurrayafflux: Is there a driver that could be included in Ubuntu?21:13
affluxbdmurray: afaict, no.21:13
affluxor maybe a restricted one, I'm not sure. (don't know whats the policy on restricted stuff)21:14
bdmurrayIn that case I'm not certain what raising the importance of the Ubuntu task would do.21:14
pranabdmurray: does the initramfs not have support for mounting vfat filesystems?21:15
affluxI'm not sure, maybe the users would stop asking us to raise the importance ;)21:15
bdmurrayprana: I used it the other day but I think I manually specified the fstype via mount -t vfat21:16
pranabdmurray: ah, ok.21:17
bdmurrayafflux: I think it would be a good idea to look for an unstream bug in the alsa bts21:21
affluxoh, yes, possibly ;)21:21
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kochabhi everybody22:49
kochabI'm looking for some help understanding a problem with xen in hardy22:49
kochabI've filed a bug report22:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 214821 in xen-3.2 "xen guest system cannot detect root filesystem" [Undecided,New]22:50
kochabis someone interested in taking a look?22:50
secretlondonjames_w when I submitted a patch ages ago I got a form letter telling me to make a debdiff. i didn't as at the time I didn't know how to22:58
james_wsecretlondon: yeah, it would be great to eliminate that.22:59
* secretlondon nods at james_w23:00
james_wsecretlondon: is the patch included now? You've learnt some packaging now I think?23:00
secretlondonjames_w yeah, I can make debdiffs now :)23:00
james_wwoo! :-)23:00
* secretlondon beams23:00
james_wit's good that you weren't put off completely, but I fear that some people will be.23:01
secretlondonit's laziness on our part, you shouldn't need to know the code *and* debian packaging23:02
secretlondonespecially if the patch has come from someone upstream23:02
james_walso, someone else pointed out that it can contribute to a feeling that "ubuntu has too much bureaucracy"23:02
james_wpeople get a good feeling for getting the patch in for less work when they don't know how to do the debdiff part.23:03
secretlondonthe issue for me as that I now *know* I have to subscribe *-sponsors when I add a patch23:03
james_wyeah, it's not exactly clear what to do when you start.23:04
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secretlondonarrgh lost connection23:08
saivannjames_w : Well that's another good reason to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage :)23:09
secretlondonjames_w the last comment I got from you was "people get a good feeling for getting the patch in for less work when they don't know how to do the debdiff part."23:09
secretlondonjames_w did you get my comment re: susbcribing sponsor teams?23:10
saivannsecretlondon : his last comment was <james_w> yeah, it's not exactly clear what to do when you start.23:12
secretlondonokay, missed that one then23:13
saivannWell.. sounds like he got something like a phone call23:14
secretlondonit's hard when you lose connectivity in the middle of a conversation23:15
saivannIt's been a while that it didn't happen for me (god bless my Internet connection) :)23:17
bdmurraysecretlondon: are you still having an issue with bug 185671?23:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 185671 in gnome-terminal "[Hardy] gnome-terminal current locale ANSI_X3.4-1968 not unicode using en-gb" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18567123:33
secretlondonbdmurray: I'll just check23:33
secretlondonbdmurray: it's claiming to be utf-8 now23:33
bdmurraysecretlondon: Did you do anything specific to fix it?23:34
secretlondonbmurray: i think it's now okay :)23:34
secretlondonbdmurray: don't think so, not that i can remember23:34
bdmurrayHow did you upgrade?23:34
secretlondonbdmurray: it was a fresh install of hardy alpha 3 that has been upgraded as  go23:35
secretlondonbdmurray: it does say current locale UTF8, I don't know if it supposed to say en_gb anywhere23:38
bdmurrayusing locale in a terminal might be interesting23:39
secretlondonbdmurray: I've added to the bug, is there anything you'd like me to test?23:39
bdmurraysecretlondon: not at the moment thanks23:40
persiajames_w: secretlondon: Regarding patches / debdiffs I think the volume of bugs helps make it hard.  In earlier days, more developers were chasing patches and making debdiffs.  That seems less common lately.23:44

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