[00:23] seb128_: i could reproduce it with our builds, but not when building upstream sources. now that almost all patches we had could be dropped there is a good chance that those are fixed. i didn't get them while doing my tests here at least. [00:23] ok [00:26] seb128_: partially good news is that you can now add certs [00:27] however, the reason, why the arguments passed to the cert dialog are not used to prefill the proper url is still unknown [00:28] which means from an user point of view? [00:31] seb128_: the user experience is somewhat similar to that of adding a exception manually. [00:31] seb128_: youll see [00:31] ok [00:32] definitly an improvement to "no new certs" :) [00:32] right [00:33] hum, make me think that I need to talk to pitti to know why apport starts firefox rather than the preferred browser [00:33] especially that running firefox for non firefox users doesn't work [00:34] seb128_: it does? [00:34] strange [00:34] you get the question about migrating your datas and then firefox doesn't load the called url [00:35] I had to use something else than decide later to get the thing opening a webpage [00:36] seb128_: which migration dialog are you talking about? [00:36] seb128_: like what you get when you run: [00:36] /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b5/ffox-3-beta-profile-migration-dialog [00:36] yes [00:37] I click on "decide later" since I updated because that's the default choice and I didn't bother ;-) [00:37] ok. thats definitly not something a "normal user" will see. it only pops-up if you ran firefox 3 alpha or early betas [00:37] but that breaks "firefox URL" apparently [00:37] ah, I though it ran to migrate the firefox2 datas [00:38] no ... previousl ffox 3 used a separate profile directory [00:38] the label is misleading then [00:38] it just asks you which one you want to continue :) [00:38] to use [00:38] ok [00:38] seb128_: the title reads "firefox 3 beta support" :) [00:39] seb128_: the label was drafted by mpt [00:39] in london [00:39] anyway the issue is not there, it's rather than I use epiphany which is correctly configured in GNOME and than apport calls firefox [00:39] i had a different versoin .... but that was a bit too echnical [00:39] hehe right [00:39] thats definilty an issue [00:39] maybe pitti did this back when ssl was completely broken for ephy? [00:40] was that broken? [00:40] can't remember [00:40] ;) [00:40] no [00:40] lets wait i guess [00:40] yeah, I need to try again [00:40] the crash was an installation issue [00:40] so might be that's it's trying to use sudo apport or similar [00:41] and so not using my user settings [00:41] I'll talk to pitti about it when he's around [00:41] right. night [00:41] 'night [00:41] tomorrow meeting starts at 8 *sigh* [00:41] waouh, it's late again [00:41] yeah [00:41] ;) [00:41] too much to do this week [00:42] bye [00:42] see you later [00:50] tedg: your gnome-screensaver tarballs seems to not be the upstream one? === asac_ is now known as asac [07:11] good morning [07:21] hello [08:12] good morning [08:16] hey seb128 [08:18] hello dholbach [08:25] good morning seb128! [08:26] hey hey mvo [08:32] morning seb128, dholbach, mvo [08:39] hey Hobbsee, dholbach! [08:39] mvo: sky fallen in yet? [08:39] its falling for me all week already [08:40] seb128, would you be against updating gnome-phone-manager to the latest version ? it solves some problem; but the heck is gnokii has to be updated as well [08:41] crevette: no really opinion, I'm too busy to do that myself and it's late for hardy [08:42] yeah, I understand, that's why I was asking [08:42] gnome-phone-manager is not really a problem, but I'm but concerned with gnokii [08:44] mvo: oh dear. how's the compiz testing going? [08:45] Hobbsee: not too bad, the upgrades are currently more work, dapper->hardy and gutsy->hardy double the amount of test cases and potential failures [08:46] mvo: yeah, true. Need some help? [08:50] I wouldn't mind :) checking for missing bits in the python transition is probably something that is straightfoward, or testing if the current alternative CD upgrades a dapper or gutsy with the instructions on the wiki [08:51] or with bug #213566 [08:51] Launchpad bug 213566 in xkeyboard-config "dapper->hardy missing files on upgrade" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213566 [08:59] * Hobbsee can't do the cd stuff - bandwidth limitations. [08:59] * Hobbsee looks at the bug [09:09] about UVFe, would be cool if someone could take a look on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/212873 [09:09] Launchpad bug 212873 in empathy "UVFe empathy: 0.22.0 -> 0.22.1" [Wishlist,New] [09:11] cassidy: ack'd. [09:12] Hobbsee: thanks [09:12] y/w [09:17] how do I prevent trackerd from starting up? I've removed the tracker*-files from /etc/xdg/autostart [09:19] tjaalton: sudo apt-get remove tracker? [09:19] seb128: obviously :) [09:20] tjaalton: other system, preferences, indexing and uncheck the index and watch options, that's what is done in hardy by default [09:20] s/other/otherwise [09:24] seems to have no effect, but I'll just remove it [09:25] thanks [09:26] tjaalton: that should, it works for everybody else apparently [09:43] morning everyone [09:43] seb128 crevette o/ [09:43] lut huats [09:50] salut huats [10:05] seb128: is someone working on metacity? [10:05] mvo: you ;-) [10:06] mvo: you mean in ubuntu? [10:06] wellll [10:06] mvo: marnanel is upstream for it [10:06] yeah, if someone is updating it or anything, I would like to work on it and this is a check_lock() [10:06] * mvo wants bzr [10:06] mvo: go for it ;-) [10:08] * mvo checks metacity into bzr [10:50] mvo: is there any wya to say "use this mirror in all cases, except when it doesn't have the required stuff, in which case, looka t that mirror?" [10:53] yeah, if you have "deb http://mirror1/ubuntu hardy main" and a line below "deb http://mirror2" it will use mirror1 if it has the stuff and mirror2 if mirror1 is e.g. outdated [10:54] asac: hey [10:54] asac: could you look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/214468? that seems a xulrunner issue, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13274689/stacktrace-visitingbugtracker-dbgsym.txt [10:54] Launchpad bug 214468 in epiphany-browser "Epiphany crashes inside xulrunner when viewing HTTPS sites" [Undecided,New] [10:54] "/etc/alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin\000lternative.so" [10:55] weird [10:55] mvo: ahh, so it will obey that, all the time? [10:55] * Hobbsee moves more mirrors around then [10:55] mvo: thanks [10:55] it should, if not, that would be a bug :) [10:55] cheers [10:56] mvo: wasn't sure if it was picking the fastest one, or something [10:57] Fetched 99.6MB in 7min37s (218kB/s) [10:57] that's better. [10:57] still not hte mirror i was hoping for (that one's not unmetered), but it's still faster than pulling it from the UK. [11:01] seb128: wow: resolved_path = "/etc/alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin\000lternative.so" [11:01] asac: yeah, that's what I wrote before [11:02] I'm wondering how that happened [11:02] and if that's a weird filename on the disk or a code error [11:04] seb128: looks like an infinite recursion. funny thing is that java plugin appears to retrigger a plugin scan [11:04] seb128: was there a java update recently? [11:05] asac: not that I know, but maybe better to ask doko [11:06] asac: there was a flash plugin update this night though [11:07] in the archive? [11:09] asac: the flashplugin-nonfree thing [11:09] asac: " * Update md5sum and package version for Flash 9.0.124.0." [11:09] asac: that's the changelog entry [11:11] seb128: ok. let me check if i can already get that [11:11] well, I don't get the bug having those installed [11:11] so I guess it's not the update [11:31] seb128: i am in a stat whre i cannot close the crash notificatoin bubble [11:31] state [11:31] i had that a few times now; anything i can gather now to help you? [11:31] hmm ... it auto disappeared. anything next time i get that? [11:32] no idea, maybe mvo knows better, he hacked on that already [11:33] asac: that usually happens if the notification-daemon crashes iirc (or hangs) [11:33] asac: is there a crash file for that daemon? [11:40] * asac looking [11:40] mvo: no, but i think there already were too many crashes in. ill see if i get one next time [11:43] ok [12:24] moin all [12:26] hey fernando [12:27] hey seb128, how are you going? [12:27] fernando: good, what about you? [12:27] seb128, good too [12:34] hey fernando! [12:34] * dholbach hugs fernando [12:34] hey dholbach [12:34] * fernando hugs dholbach [12:34] :-) [12:36] dholbach, how are you going? [12:36] good - just a bit tired :) [12:38] rest a little =) [12:39] I'll make it a lunch break soon :) [13:01] hey pedro_! [13:01] bonjour seb128! [13:29] seb128: I guess we should get 2.22 in before tomorrow, right? [13:30] pochu: yes, it's mostly done now [13:31] I've gnome-user-share to consider on my list if it's fixed in debian [13:31] swfdec-gnome to sync if they update [13:31] the mobile team does cheese [13:32] and anjuta (I know it's in universe, but I don't care :p) and I haven't seen robster lately, and it's not in pkg-gnome yet [13:32] gedit-plugins which can be fake synced, slomo did the update but didn't upload due to some debian transition [13:32] ah, we don't have that on the desktop so I didn't really bother [13:32] but you are welcome to do the update if you want ;-) [13:33] ember: if you were looking for updates, feel free to do anjuta even if it's listed to be synced :) If you weren't, then nevermind [13:33] oh, I thought it was in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/WeeklyTODO. I see it's not [13:34] ember: the update should be trivial... if you aren't going to do it, let me know and I'll take care of it [14:00] pochu: if I find some time and if ember has not, I might do it too (anjuta) [14:06] pochu: In fact it is building right now :) [14:17] asac: can we have a transitional /usr/bin/mozilla-thunderbird binary symlink or something for dapper->hardy upgrade compatibility? [14:19] mvo: we don't already? [14:20] mvo: er, why? mozilla-thunderbird depends on thunderbird, and that will provide the link required? [14:20] oh, that's right. it screws up gnome-do, and the run command, if you do. IIRC. [14:20] does it? I had a upgrade the other day where it was missing [14:21] it'll certainly provide thunderbird. [14:22] yeah, thunderbird is there, just no mozilla-thunderbird and that kills custom launchers [14:22] mvo: have you tried using a symlink for mozilla-thunderbird on any post-2.0 thunderbird release? [14:22] not a big thing, but irritating [14:22] no [14:22] mvo: you need to, because i'm fairly sure it breaks. [14:22] huats feel free to do it [14:25] mvo: right, so if you symlink ln -s ../lib/thunderbird/thunderbird mozilla-thunderbird it works, but not if you symlink what was ln -s ../lib/thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird mozilla-thunderbird, which i'd tried previously [14:26] sorry for the noise. [14:27] ember: ok [14:29] aha, thanks [14:31] mvo: darn you. now i'm triaging thunderbird bugs. [14:34] mvo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/148008 is the same thing. [14:34] Launchpad bug 148008 in mozilla-firefox "ff will not open thunderbird" [Undecided,Incomplete] [14:35] mvo: in fact, that's the bug that you're talking about. [14:35] mvo: which application opens mozilla-thunderbird after upgrade? [14:36] asac: no app, but custom desktop launchers (e.g. if people created a gnome launcher on their desktop or panel [14:36] hmm [14:36] ok [14:36] * Hobbsee marks another dupe. [14:36] asac: old firefox shortcuts too, it appears. [14:36] maybe the bug was that the .desktop file name changed? [14:37] asac: entire binary name changed, and the mozilla-thunderbird symlink to run-mozilla.sh got removed. [14:37] possible both [14:37] Hobbsee: sorry, what is a firefox shortcut? [14:37] asac: mailto? [14:37] ah ok scheme/protocol handler [14:38] asac: a lot of people have set their prefs.js / users.js with it too, it appears, then it broke. [14:38] asac: presumably because it was having trouble working originally [14:38] yeah [14:39] can someone file a blocker bug on that? [14:39] e.g. ship binary link + .desktop file link? [14:39] :) [14:40] have a question about the new beta release of ubuntu [14:40] asac: i could probably just fix the package, if you wanted. [14:40] With Ubuntu 7.10 my ATI grafik driver provided by ubuntu OS worked fine and i could use the desktop effects without any problems [14:40] or at least, attmept it [14:41] but with the beta i.e. 8.04 i can't use the desktop effects, if i use it, then the windows open and close with a strange twist and disturbance [14:41] and while booting the ubuntu logo is also not sharp i.e. the 8.04 beta version does not seem to be working properly with the ATI grafic driver [14:41] is this some kind of bug which i can report on the ubuntu website? [14:41] Hobbsee: if you build on top of bzr branch and push that somewhere so i can merge that would be appreciated [14:42] Hobbsee: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.dev [14:42] i am using the restricted driver and if i switch off the desktop effects then everything works fine [14:42] asac: what on earth? [14:42] asac: did you guys never do a user migration from .mozilla-thunderbird to .thunderbird? [14:44] pochu: bug 214601 [14:44] Launchpad bug 214601 in anjuta "Please sponsor gcalctool 2.4.1 into hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214601 [14:44] asac: if you didn't do so, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/155621 is probably a blocker. [14:44] Launchpad bug 155621 in thunderbird "mozilla-thunderbird --> thunderbird. Did not find old profile folder" [Undecided,New] [14:46] huats: wrong title ;-) [14:46] Hobbsee: no ... we still have .mozilla-thunderbird because old profiles still have absolute paths in it [14:47] getting that right is easy for most, but really tricky for corner cases [14:47] asac: i realise that, but you probably should be copying it to .thunderbird or something too? [14:47] asac: any extensions which aren't compatible got disabled. [14:47] otherwise users suddenly think their email has vanished, whcih is bad. [14:47] seb128: oups [14:48] I am correcting that right now... [14:48] Hobbsee: i don't understand that [14:48] seb128: thanks [14:48] why would i copy it .thunderbird? [14:48] its not used by our package ' [14:48] asac: ok, so the for your information the new xrandr capplet thingy had broken dpi calculation [14:48] because our package uses .thunderbird since thunderbird 2.0, last i checked. [14:49] asac: so it might explain some font rendering issue reported by some people [14:49] Hobbsee: can't ack that, we are still using .mozilla-thunderbird [14:49] asac: those using it had 1x1 dpi numbers for example instead of 96x96 [14:49] no, i lie, we are still using .m-t [14:49] hmm [14:49] * Hobbsee puts the symlink back in [14:50] asac: are they using upstream firefox, or something? [14:50] upstream is .thunderbird [14:50] but ubuntu never had that [14:50] right, yeah [14:50] :) [14:51] seb128: strange. what does pango do with 1x1 dpi? [14:51] asac: I'm not sure, but I noticed that it broken evince (it displays things very zoomed out) and fonts in epiphany-browser which are smaller [14:51] asac: any idea why that guy, and the dupe, got that bug then? [14:52] asac: GNOME seems to not care about the dpi number [14:54] asac: the redhat guys added that to the capplet code [14:54] " * Firefox apparently believes what X tells it. It is a foolish [14:54] * application." [14:54] thats not true [14:54] firefox has a lower bound of 96 [14:55] everything below will be intepreted as 96 [14:55] ok, so without this capplet the value is 120 for me [14:55] and using the capplet broken or fixed looks the same [14:55] and fonts are directly rendered by pango (not through the dpi detected by it) [14:55] which makes sense according to your comment [14:55] evince was totally broken [14:55] you won't see any font issues due to firefox ... its just pango used for fonts [14:55] and firefox was rendering things the same way as when 96 dpi is used [14:55] dpi is only used to scale images [14:56] ok [14:56] (but with 96 dpi lower bounds) [14:56] I was commenting because you pochu and you discussed the issue some days ago [14:57] yeah [14:57] i fixed a related bug upstream [14:57] ok, so it's all good [14:58] huats: thanks! looking at it [14:58] pochu: ok great [14:58] ping me if something is needed [14:58] * Hobbsee marks more dupes [14:59] 7 bugs, for the 5-a-day. [14:59] Hobbsee: still the launchpad integration bug? [14:59] seb128: eparse? [14:59] seb128: luke fixed that. [14:59] seb128: no, this is thunderbird bugs. [14:59] Hobbsee: ok, that's one which had several duplicates [14:59] so I was wondering ;-) [15:00] seb128: yeah, i'm sure it does :) [15:00] seb128: i've not been back to that one. [15:03] asac: are all crashes that begin with __kernel_vsyscall () dupes? [15:05] Hobbsee: no ... thats just the top [15:05] asac: hmm, kay. [15:05] but the rest can be completely different [15:05] seb128 do i need to g-t with b-d on lp .17 too or it is fine? [15:05] asac: yeah, i suspected so, thanks. [15:07] ember: everything using liblaunchpad-integration0 need to be rebuilt, things added in the description need to be updated to not [15:07] ok, i'm gonna re-check some things [15:07] thanks [15:08] dholbach: who commits the bugs for 5-a-day now? [15:09] Hobbsee: hm? [15:09] dholbach: Bugs have been added, but not committed yet (already committed 28 minutes ago). [15:10] it will commit a batch of added bugs (if 60 minutes have passed), or you can either use --add -f [15:14] dholbach: -f worked, thanks. [15:14] Hobbsee: it was blueyed's idea :) [15:15] * Hobbsee wonders hwo bughelper works nowadays [15:15] * Hobbsee suspects teh syntax has changed [15:16] wow, anjuta's clean targets are so broken... [15:16] $ zgrep "^+++ " anjuta_2.4.0-2.diff.gz | grep -v debian | wc -l [15:16] 136 [15:16] mvo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/214612 is an apt bug, no? [15:16] Launchpad bug 214612 in soyuz "Provide pdiffs for apt-get update" [Undecided,New] [15:17] Hobbsee: no, if anything a won't fix - but let the soyuz people decide [15:17] ahh [15:17] Hobbsee: apt supports pdiffs just fine, we just don't pulish any of those [15:18] ahhhh.... [15:18] right [15:18] and that is reasonable because our archive goes through a lot more churn [15:19] yup [15:20] * xhaker asks how to rm a link in a preinst script when rm_conffile does the wrong thing, and creates a dpk-.bak [15:21] checking checksums of a link? shouldn't i be able to just rm -f the link? [15:22] huats: uploading, thanks! [15:22] huats: btw, you forgot to update the maintainer ;) [15:23] pochu: oh that is true... [15:23] sorry [15:23] np [15:35] seb128 http://pfragoso.org/ubuntu/gnome-terminal_2.22.1-0ubuntu2.debdiff [15:37] ember: there is no need to change the build-depends there if it's not using the api which changed [15:37] ember: don't bother, those just need a no change uploaded, that's as quick to do rebuild that to sponsor so it's not really useful to go through sponsoring there [15:38] oh okidoki [15:44] ack. i'd forgotten how bad mines is with a touchpad. [16:19] asac: so this epiphany crash from this morning is due to j2re1.4, once this one install I can confirm epiphany is crashing [16:25] seb128: j2re1.4 why do you use that? [16:26] asac: I don't, the submitter figured the crash was due to this one, and I installed it to see if it trigger the crash on my installation too [16:26] and not java5, java6 and so on [16:27] ah [16:27] ok [16:28] reassing that bug against java 1.4 id say [16:28] why? [16:28] epiphany was not crashing before the recent updates [16:28] with java 1.4? [16:29] it doesn't seem that the submitter just installed java 1.4 [16:29] so it's likely the xulrunner or the epiphany-browser recent updates which triggered the issue [16:29] btw why do we still have j2re1.4 in hardy multiverse if it should not be used? [16:30] seb128: because doko claimed that nothing else works on amd64 [16:30] but i think thats not true anymore [16:30] ok [16:30] ill prod him [16:30] anyway low priority bug, I just wanted to let you know that the crash is due to it [16:31] seb128: upstream changed the api used by java plugin in recent updates to fix security issues. most likely they didn't consider 1.4 worth not to break. [16:32] so it makes sense to some degree that this appeared now [16:32] epiphany or xulrunner? [16:32] epiphany doesn't implement any plugin host ;) [16:32] http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2008/mfsa2008-18.html [16:33] thats the advisory that changed raised the bar for java [16:33] ok [16:33] but thats for the stable release branch [16:33] most likely they did mor eintrusive changes to trunk [16:33] I'll reassign from epiphany to xulrunner and let you talk to doko ;-) [16:33] let me look [16:34] seb128: yes, please add java 1.4 to title [16:34] so i can easily spot that [16:34] ok [16:34] i ping doko. lets see [16:46] seb128: bug id? [16:47] asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/214468 [16:47] Launchpad bug 214468 in epiphany-browser "Epiphany crashes inside xulrunner when j2re1.4 is installed" [Undecided,New] [16:47] asac: I just reassigned it [16:47] oh :) [16:47] * asac hits cancel [16:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/213745/comments/49 wtf [16:58] I don't understand such people [16:59] seb128: bug 214468 [16:59] Launchpad bug 214468 in meta-j2re1.4-mozilla "[removal request] Remove all java 1.4 bits from hardy (Was: Epiphany crashes inside xulrunner when j2re1.4 is installed)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214468 [17:00] asac: ok [17:00] asac: you might want to make xulrunner conflicts on it then? [17:00] seb128: good idea. [17:02] crevette: actually i would like a feature to edit comments in launchpad ... or remove comments completely (well hide them would be enough) [17:03] like slashdot ;) [17:03] people then could rate up useful comments and i could just read the gems ;) [17:03] paradise :) [17:04] asac: btw will you do the epiphany-extensions update? [17:05] crevette: did you ask for an approval for the new gnome-phone-manager version? [17:06] seb128: yes i can do the update. does it ship anything new besides our xul patches? [17:06] seb128: no I'm overusy during the day [17:07] I just arrived now, and I need a break [17:07] sorry :/ [17:07] asac: I didn't look to detail, just that they did xul1.9 changes and you know better if the ubuntu patches can be dropped or not [17:07] crevette: that's alright ;-) [17:07] crevette: I'm not using it anyway, was just curious [17:07] seb128: i thiknn chpe just used our patches. but ill see [17:08] asac: ok, thanks [17:10] seb128: 2.22.1 is latest right? (wonder because ephy had 2.22.1.1) [17:10] yes [17:16] I need to figure out if phone-mgr 0.50 and latest gnokii have know bugs [17:17] but I don't know who do I need to contact for those [17:55] mvo: you know apturl apt:something?section=multiverse right? is there a section i can use for the partner repo? [17:56] asac: yeah, that should work, but I suspect there is a bug in the code, I will investigate [17:57] asac: partner will not work I'm afraid [18:26] Hi, where does the new xrandr and gnome-display-settings store its settings? [18:26] I flipped my desktop upside-down which renders the screen black, and now i cant set it back to normal again. [19:30] stupid question [19:30] does /etc/timezone end with \n? [19:33] vuntz: does on my system [19:34] thanks [19:49] pitti: I'll make you a deal...upload my ubuntu-wallpaper package and I will make it more than 1MB smaller [19:54] http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-wallpapers_0.25.dsc [19:59] hello [19:59] hola [20:05] hola [21:40] can I get ekiga to use pulseaudio? [21:40]