[00:00] they were suggested by szaka to minimize hardreboot issues [06:53] evand: If we have to go all root for only-ubiquity, its trivial to slip some code into the casper script to check the cmdline, and if only-ubiquity exists, save the setings as root. I was actually playing with such an idea late last week. [06:54] TheMuso: good to know, thanks [06:59] evand, sorry to be pushy, but would you mind giving the dvd livefs and ISO another prod before you head off to bed? [06:59] the lang support thing was sorted out earlier this afternoon [06:59] superm1: not at all. [07:00] great thanks [08:10] superm1: done [08:11] evand, great, i'll pull this overnight then and get it in our factory image tomorrow for testing [08:11] i didn't get a chance to ask you, did you sort out the keyboard preseeding for this ubiquity release? [08:12] looking at my list, that was the last one that i wasn't sure on [08:14] not yet, I've been looking at it, but I haven't been able to track down the cause yet [08:14] okay, i'll make sure everything else is in shape then [08:15] Thanks! [08:15] anytime [08:15] g'night [08:15] night [08:17] partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r560 ubuntu/debian/changelog: expand changelog [09:12] hi. I have noticed that after finishing the ubuntu-server installation the apt cd source is /etc/apt/sources.list is disabled. There is a easy way to make this entry active after the installation?. Some preseed command perhaps?. Thanks [09:16] partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r561 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 56ubuntu4 [09:17] GreatMandrill: not really - in most cases it isn't appropriate because apt will end up asking you for the CD any time you try to do package management operations [09:19] ok, thx [09:24] there isn't actually a way to change that with preseeding (because the apt-setup code in question runs after preseed/late_command); you could file a bug on Ubuntu apt-setup if you decide you still want that [10:04] * cjwatson attacks bug 85713 [10:04] Launchpad bug 85713 in ubiquity "No mount point options listed during manual partitioning" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85713 [10:59] ubiquity: cjwatson * r2614 ubiquity/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [10:59] ubiquity: * Offer a list of mount points when creating a partition (LP: #85713). [10:59] ubiquity: Adjust this list (and also that offered when editing a partition) if the [10:59] ubiquity: file system is changed to FAT or NTFS. [11:31] ubiquity: cjwatson * r2615 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py): * Guard against division by zero while copying files (LP: #211503). [12:43] evand, have asked cking on #ubuntu-kernel re sysctl settings in lupin-support (bug #204133) [12:43] Launchpad bug 204133 in wubi "wubi install unusable - Buffer I/O error on device loop0" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204133 [12:43] I'd wait for his reply before deciding what to do with lupin, but in the meantime it might be reasonable to use settings closer to default [12:43] is the name of ubuntu installer hardcoded? [12:43] "welcome to ubuntu installer" [12:44] or iam able to change this text [12:45] evand, re mounthost, there is no much point about maintaining it at this point, unless we will have new fs packages in the LTS lifespan that will make remounting of ntfs/loops feasible [12:50] "welcome to ubuntu installer" [12:51] my english is poor, but shouldn't that be "welcome to the ubuntu installer"? [12:52] * xivulon thinks about last time an installer welcomed him [12:53] no [12:53] thath shouldbe "welcome to $foo installer" [12:53] installer for my distribution [12:54] "welcome to $foo installer" [12:54] "welcome to $foo installer" [12:55] ? [12:55] "welcome to THE $foo installer" [12:55] damn thats not the topic [12:55] i wanna change the text [12:55] sorrey for the multiple posts, using a webgateway wich does not like clipboard paste... [12:56] I know mine was a side comment, I do not know much about ubiquity code (assuming that is what you are referring to). [12:57] not buiquity [12:57] the ncurses installer === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [13:02] xivulon,Silicium: there's a reason we don't include "Ubuntu" in Ubiquity's text :-) [13:02] hey cjwatson haha youre help is everywhere, :D [13:02] Silicium: where do you see the text "Welcome to Ubuntu installer"? [13:02] you greate [13:03] cjwatson: i mean the welcome text in the ncurses installer [13:03] err, it doesn't have any as far as I know [13:03] the first screen is "Choose language" [13:04] yep [13:04] do you mean F1 at the CD boot menu, which says "Welcome to Ubuntu!" in its title bar? [13:04] nope this i have edited [13:04] mom i see which dialog is it [13:05] erm, cjwatson you got payed for you support work? [13:05] no, my job is Ubuntu Platform Team Manager [13:05] you everytime here in the chan an help for stupid questions :D [13:05] cjwatson: ok cool :D [13:05] canional inc? [13:05] or in the "free" community? [13:05] but I happen to care about the Ubuntu installer quite a bit, and that was my main job before I moved to management [13:05] Canonical UK Ltd. [13:05] ok cool :) [13:06] (if you want the company on my paycheques ...) [13:06] if you press "Go back" from the alternate installer's first screen, the title bar is "Ubuntu installer main menu" [13:06] that's hardcoded in the main-menu package, somewhat unfortunately [13:06] ok [13:06] the reason it isn't just ("%s installer main menu" % distribution) is that Ubuntu sometimes gets transliterated [13:07] yea [13:07] this is what i think [13:07] so, for instance, in Macedonian it's "Убунту" [13:07] yea [13:07] so the language files are also hardcoded? [13:07] we've generally tried to get rid of explicit references to Ubuntu; the ones that remain is where it's hard to justify removing the distribution name [13:07] afraid so [13:07] ok [13:07] I consider everything like that to be a bug, FWIW [13:07] and in which binary? [13:08] main-menu source, builds main-menu.udeb; it ends up in /var/lib/dpkg/info/main-menu.templates in the initrd which is loaded into /var/lib/cdebconf/templates.dat as the installer boots [13:08] ok thanks [13:08] (and /var/lib/dpkg/info/main-menu.templates is then removed to save memory) [13:08] cjwatson, did you happen to find out anything new on #206113 ? [13:08] xivulon: I'm afraid not, it's a kernel problem isn't it? [13:09] ah no that one I found out [13:09] if you mean the buffer I/O [13:09] oh, right, sorry, mixed up [13:09] 206113 is about swap creation [13:10] no, I haven't looked further at it. The root error is "mkswap: unable to write signature page", which is literally write() failing [13:10] I am not too concerned since that appears to be the only report I have seen on that, but still [13:10] how about I make it at least give the errno [13:10] then you might be able to have a better guess at the cause [13:10] only thing I can think of is if the swapfile is not contiguous [13:11] I remember mkswap does not like that, but not sure what the errorno would be in such case [13:11] well, it's not what mkswap likes really, it's what the kernel says to write() [13:11] if (write(DEV, (char *) signature_page + offset, pagesize - offset) [13:11] != pagesize - offset) [13:11] bb_error_msg_and_die("unable to write signature page"); [13:12] now, it could be a short write, but that generally ought not to happen when writing less than a page [13:12] but it's possible [13:12] (if you don't know: write() is not guaranteed to write everything in one go) [13:12] I'll try installing the obvious fix for that and see if it helps [13:13] thanks [13:14] the kernel issue by the way was due to the sysctl parameters in lupin-support [13:14] hooray for the existence of bb_full_write; writing out that code over and over in N different codebases gets boring [13:14] for some reason the new kernel does not like them anymore, have asked cking to have a look [13:14] ok [13:15] we also have to decide whether to keep mounthost in [13:15] basically now it does nothing, since /host is mounted rw in initramfs [13:15] it might become useful if ntfs/loop become remountable and initramfs is changed accordingly (within hardy LTS) [13:16] not sure if that is likely to happen... otherwise we can just remove mounthost [13:18] oh, err, busybox can't be relevant! [13:18] this is in ubiquity so it's util-linux' mkswap, duh [13:23] xivulon: spawned off a util-linux task and asked LaMont to have a look [13:23] thanks a lot [13:24] any view on mounthost ^? [13:24] basically that translates to: any chance for ntfs-3g to become remountable with a package update in 8.04 cycle? [13:24] I'd guess that would be a new feature, hence not [13:27] sounds unlikely, though feel free to petition the release manager [13:28] well I'd guess if that was required we could also update lupin-support package correct? [13:29] I'd remove mounthost for the time being [13:42] hmm [13:42] cjwatson: do you have any idea why the package ipbx-frontend does not configure? [13:42] http://marco.2am.ch/ipbxlog [13:43] i cant find any problem [13:43] and when i boot the system and type apt-get install ipbx then works fine [13:44] Silicium: looks like it's sensitive to $TERM and can't deal with the installer's terminal [13:45] hmm [13:45] can i fix that? [13:45] ipbx-frontend doesn't appear to be in Ubuntu, so I'm unable to help further [13:46] i know, is my package :D [13:46] so is it a package problem [13:46] mhm [13:46] oh, it might not be that actually, I see an error to do with postgresql in there [13:47] which means that it's probably bug 204108 [13:47] Launchpad bug 204108 in udev "stripped-down permissions.rules needed for udev-udeb" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204108 [13:47] oh [13:47] if i install postgresql manually with apt-get and then ipbx is will works [13:47] yep, looks like it [13:47] you'll need to wait for that bug fix [13:48] note that it's fix committed so it should come along shortly [13:48] changing the way you install postgresql will not help [13:48] so then is it not he bug [13:48] i can install if i do manually [13:48] then it works [13:49] right, it'll work after you reboot [13:49] the problem is that /target/dev/null when the installer is running is not writable by the postgresql user [13:49] er, the postgres user [13:49] oh ok [13:49] thats the bug [13:49] but when you reboot it will work fine because the normal udev rules will come into effect [13:49] allright [13:49] hmm [13:49] can i reload the udev rules? [13:50] before install ibpx [13:50] no [13:50] damn [13:50] so we should release the beta thoday :D [13:50] hmm [13:50] the bug will be fixed by relese [13:50] release [13:50] this is the sort of thing you get when working on a beta; it is practically guaranteed to contain bugs :-) [13:53] ok fine [13:53] thanks [13:53] in order to work around it you'd need to insert the output of 'grep null /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules' into some file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ in your initrd [13:53] so i have a live CD too, this must be enaught for my interesting customers :) [13:54] no easy [13:54] i will wait [14:00] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/143 [14:13] hi people, where I can find translatable strings for Live CD, for those menus in the beginning? [14:13] PecisDarbs: gfxboot-theme-ubuntu [14:14] ok, thanks :) [14:14] PecisDarbs: ie. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+pots/bootloader [14:14] PecisDarbs: no problem :) [14:14] btw, I have problems with fonts in my language, like it should be INSTALĀCIJA, but it goes like INSTALCIJA [14:15] translations are ok [14:15] so it just drop fonts [14:15] where should I report that? [14:15] someone else can maybe answer that, I'm actually no installer developer at all [14:17] PecisDarbs: which language? [14:17] cjwatson: Latvian [14:17] and at what point do you see INSTALCIJA [14:17] ? [14:19] I will have to test it [14:19] cjwatson: it usually happens at the beginning, mostly when I view installer help [14:19] INSTALCIJA was example, I can't remember exact strings, but they where many [14:20] I'm just asking because it will help me track it down exactly [14:21] current CD images seem to have reasonable Latvian fonts [14:22] PecisDarbs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/latvian-boot-help.png [14:22] PecisDarbs: perhaps you were using 7.10? [14:23] cjwatson: no no, I was using recent daily cds [14:23] hmmmm [14:23] xivulon: ack'ed [14:23] strange, I have to check that, if it is gone, then thanks :D [14:24] cjwatson: I will check this asap and then will report back [14:24] have to download and burn live cd [14:25] ok, thanks [14:32] ubiquity: cjwatson * r2617 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [14:32] ubiquity: * Ensure that "Location for the new partition" always defaults to [14:32] ubiquity: "Beginning" (LP: #207810). [14:33] cjwatson: is the bug in a base install package or also on the installer cd [14:33] so, i need to download a new cd to fix the bug i fix is released? [14:35] Silicium: it's in a package that forms part of the installer initrd, so yes, you'll need a new CD [14:46] only the initrd? [14:46] okay, then i can only replace that in my cd build environment :) [14:46] thanks a lot [14:47] ubiquity: cjwatson * r2618 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py: on_partition_*_use_combo_changed may be called before partition_*_mount_combo has been set up [14:47] yes, though replacing just the initrd is risky and I would recommend a full upgrade [15:08] xivulon: new lupin without mounthost uploaded. [15:08] cjwatson: yes, seemingly fonts aren't skipped anymore, big thanks to anyone who fixed this :) [15:10] PecisDarbs: excellent. This was probably because we were unable to regenerate the reduced font for a while; Liu Qishuai figured out the problem and we fixed it in February [15:10] I see [15:10] nice :) [15:25] debian-installer: cjwatson * r905 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20070308ubuntu37 [15:46] cjwatson: where i can get the apt=key pakage (or his source) with yesterday's patch> Thanks [16:00] evand thanks for that [16:02] no problem [16:03] for lupin not sure what to use for the parameters [16:04] the tradeoff is that if we are too loose people may have issues with hard reboots and blame ubuntu for fs corruption [16:04] if we are to strict we have I/O errors... [16:04] I mean lupin-sysctl [16:05] as mentioned I already asked cking [16:06] in the meantime we might have bdmurray and myself to do some empirical tests by gradually rising dirty_limit & co [16:06] arguably not very scientific... [16:06] indeed, I read the scrollback in -kernel. I'd wait to see what he says. Hopefully he can fix the problem or find a workaround. [16:06] heh [16:08] did you catch the zdnet article yet? Very nice, though I emailed the author about the last paragraph, noting that Wubi can be run stand-alone and thus removes the need for a CD, we just don't have it up on the website yet. [16:09] I read the one in ars-techica some time ago' [16:09] * xivulon reads zdnet [16:09] ah had seen that too [16:11] yeah read a few people recommending Daemon Tools & co just to use wubi... [16:11] kind of defeats the purpose... [16:11] heh, indeed [16:12] any response from Matthew Nuzum? [16:12] not yet [16:12] in fact I also have to ask about metalink url... [16:13] I'd think the easiest route there is to have a wubi-specific url for metalink and other possible runtime data [16:13] We can fix public metalink issues later on [16:13] I am stretching the SF terms of use... [16:14] GreatMandrill: should be in the apt package in hardy [16:14] thx, cjwatson [17:42] evand: do you think your patch from bug 182004 should just be applied in lieu of anything more sophisticated? [17:42] Launchpad bug 182004 in ubiquity "partitioner fails if partially preseeded due to seen flag madness" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182004 [17:45] cjwatson: yeah [18:14] evand by the way just noticed that I forgot to push rev 481, in case you were tempted, do not use 480... [18:14] will upload rev 481 tonight [18:16] ah not sure what you want to do with segfaults [18:16] I'd suggest using nsis 2.36 until someone complains... [18:22] xivulon: we're going to need to come up with a better argument for the release team than "we hope nsis 2.36 fixes the segfaults, but we have no evidence that it does" if we're going to use 2.36. [18:22] I tried to reproduce my crashes using the older nsis with debugging build, but I could not [18:22] I know but how can we track a bug if when the bug cannot be reproduced with debugging symbols? [18:23] Even binary search is impossible [18:24] We know that 2.34 segfaults, and 2.36 seems to fix it, having people use 2.36 extensively might be the best we can do [18:25] if we have reports of segfaults in 2.36 we go back to 2.34 (which was more tested) otherwise we stick with 2.36 [18:27] xivulon: can you join #ubuntu-release? Lets make the case to slangasek. [18:27] sure [18:28] evand can you pls also look at 214211 when you have a minute? [18:29] will do [19:12] cjwatson, just noticed your comment in #208818 , do you want me to run some tests there? [20:12] evand have reassigned 214211 to you if you do not mind: configure_hardware > self.chroot_setup(x11=True) > No such file or directory: '/root/.Xauthority' [20:12] in ubiquity [20:16] indeed, I caught that. I'll take a look later today, I'm quite busy with other work atm. [20:28] .disk/info is the same for alternate and live, correct? [20:41] 214211 sounds like my fault. Why doesn't /root exist? [20:41] err [20:41] xivulon: 214211 says it's with the beta, so it can't possibly be the x11 stuff [20:41] because I added that code post-beta [20:42] huh, is wubi downloading the ISO? that's broken surely [20:44] oh! broken in noninteractive mode, I suck [20:44] evand: I'll fix this if you like [20:47] xivulon: 208818> if you can, yes please [20:47] xivulon: assuming you know what it's supposed to look like [20:49] cjwatson: that'd be great, thanks [20:49] not sure what to look at but will try to figure it out, "comment out the following piece of code" how do you usually do that? I know how to use sed [20:49] but that is for one liners... [20:51] cjwatson: wubi will download the daily ISO [20:52] er um cjwatson, you're fix for usplash broke noninteractive [20:53] ~ line 1200 you are assuming x11 is available [20:53] and same thing at line 1226 [20:53] ubiquity: cjwatson * r2621 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py): [20:53] ubiquity: * Stop X forwarding code from breaking if we aren't running within X [20:53] ubiquity: (LP: #214211). [20:54] xivulon: stick # at the front of the line [20:54] mario_limonciell: heh, that was 214211 that xivulon referred to above, and I just fixed [20:55] ah yeah i just looked at the diff [20:55] xivulon: that's very confusing. Why? [20:55] xivulon: it should use the one that's right there in the drive, ideally [20:56] also for this latest dvd it would appear that less language packages are pre-installed. was there a particular reason for that? [20:57] cjwatson, depends how he runs it, if he is using a physical CD will use that (will extract the CD content as iso first), if he runs wubi standalone it will download [20:59] "PS: It crashes when it is installing Ubuntu from the CD." [20:59] re commenting I meant I never found out how to edit documents in busybox, and the few times I needed to always ended up using sed (don't laugh), which is inconvenient for several lines, was wondering if you had any tip [20:59] saith the bug report [20:59] sed is what you need to use in the initramfs [20:59] it's not convenient - correct :-) [21:00] mario_limonciell: DVD ought to have all available language support [21:00] * xivulon starts pertition for editor in busibox! [21:00] there is an editor in busybox, it's just not in the initramfs [21:00] I might add it in intrepid [21:00] cjwatson, all the languages were "available", just the amount pre-installed in the livefs has changed [21:00] so i wasn't sure if that was intended [21:00] mario_limonciell: no, I mean they're all supposed to be preinstalled in the livfs [21:00] livefs [21:01] hm well i preseeded all the language characters i could see, and a very large amount of lang packages got installed at the end still [21:01] the livefs is awfully small to have all lang packs this time around too anyhow (835 mb) [21:02] when it is installing Ubuntu from the CD. [21:03] = Language packs; in theory we're putting them all on the DVD = [21:03] * /^language-pack-[^-]+$/ [21:03] * /^language-pack-gnome-[^-]+$/ [21:03] says the current live-dvd build [21:03] bring it up on #ubuntu-devel? [21:03] cjwatson the way I read is that "it crashes when it is installing Ubuntu from the CD"= "when in ubiquity" [21:03] even if he was using wubi with cd that would be ejected [21:03] cjwatson, let me get a log from a full install of everythign that gets installed (my last install failed due to the noninteractive), so i'll do one with automatic-ubiquity and then bring it up so i have some hard evidence [21:04] xivulon: it sure sounds like a physical CD though [21:05] mario_limonciell: the .manifest file lists all the packages installed in the livefs, so you can check that way [21:05] hmm not sure he says it was an iso issue, I will ask to avoid doubts [21:06] cjwatson, well that definitely shows it then. the manifests are significantly different [21:14] cjwatson the only reason wubi would redownload when there is a CD is if the checksum of squashfs fails [21:15] that is only tested when there is no internet connection (since with internet connection I assume I can get the md5 of the full iso). [21:15] There used to be a bug whereby that check would always fail, but then again he would then not have been able to download the ISO... [21:58] evand: do you have anything more for the next upload? We should get that done ASAP if it's breaking wubi [22:08] cjwatson: no, I'll do another upload later tonight for the rest of my work, but I agree, I'll do an upload now. [22:11] ok, cool [22:11] if you're going to do another one today anyway feel free to wait for that; I'm finishing up now anyway [22:11] ok [22:25] evan have uploaded rev481 [22:25] to use nsis 2.36 rename the nsis folder and run make prerequisites [22:36] xivulon: on 208818: now that I look at it again, you don't need to use sed; I included detailed directions on using a real editor in the real system [22:36] "Boot with the 'break=casper-bottom' kernel parameter, run 'chroot /root nano /usr/bin/ubiquity-dm', ..." [22:37] heh was about to try the same thing... I am crap at regex & co... [22:37] downloading the iso now [22:38] * cjwatson -> housework then bed [23:30] howdy folks [23:30] is it possible to edit the link for the release notes in ubiquity? [23:38] blahblahx: sorry, more detail? (I know the link you're referring to, just trying to figure out what you're trying to do) [23:38] is this for producing a custom image? [23:38] yes [23:38] and i have custom release notes [23:39] right, certainly [23:39] that i want the button to link to [23:39] the URL is in .disk/release_notes_url on the CD [23:39] where on the cd? [23:39] let me clarify. /.disk/release_notes_url on the CD [23:40] on the final iso? [23:40] yes [23:40] huh let me see [23:40] ${LANG} in the URL is replaced by the ISO-639-1 code for the language, if you want to internationalise your release notes [23:41] evand 382 [23:41] what if for some reason i dont have a .disk folder on my final iso? [23:41] why would that be? [23:42] could i just create it if its not there? [23:42] blahblahx: perhaps because you used cp with a * wildcard to copy things over [23:43] cjwatson: actually i used reconstructor. [23:43] cjwatson: you know about it? [23:43] * does not match hidden files or directories (those whose names begin with .) [23:43] I know about reconstructor, but I didn't know it was so badly broken as to not include .disk [23:43] its not [23:43] i have seen other isos made with it that have .disk [23:43] .disk is required, so I suggest you grab an Ubuntu image, copy across its .disk, and tweak to suit you [23:44] am i supposed to have a .disc_id file in the main folder of my iso? [23:45] beware of the .disk/casper-uuid-generic file; you need to make that match conf/uuid.conf in the casper initrd, if there is one [23:45] I've never heard of .disc_id. The installer doesn't use it. [23:45] ahh thank you [23:46] cjwatson: because i had copied a .disk folder to my iso from a similar distro, but there were ubiquity errors. could that be from the uuid.conf? [23:46] if you got the casper-uuid-generic file wrong, then it wouldn't get as far as ubiquity; it would simply fail to boot [23:46] oh then nevermind its not that [23:47] oh wait disc_id is a reconstructor info file, nothing important [23:48] if there is a /conf/uuid.conf file in /casper/initrd.gz, then the CD is required to have a file matching /.disk/casper-uuid* with the same unique ID in it. (You can boot with the ignore_uuid parameter to skip this check.) This is so that you can put a rescue image on the hard disk that looks mostly like a live CD, without casper accidentally booting from it. [23:48] But if you aren't running into this, you don't need to care. [23:48] well the disk boots fine, but then when i open ubiquity, i get a language error like "language exited with error 127" [23:48] and it tells me to check my syslog [23:49] which i checked, but couldn't quite decode the part about ubiquity [23:49] I've heard a few reports of this, but either I haven't diagnosed it or I have forgotten what the result was. Could you please put the full syslog somewhere that I can see it? [23:49] shall i pastebin it? [23:49] yes, please [23:49] ok this pastebin that i post will be from the cd where i copied the .disk folder from another similar distro [23:49] gimmie a sec [23:50] should i post the entire syslog or just the parts with ubiquity in them? [23:51] the entire syslog, please [23:51] extra information is rarely harmful, and missing information can be painful to get past [23:52] cool [23:52] www.pastebin.com/m41bfb833 [23:52] www.opensnom.org - the Open Snom Implementation [23:53] oh wait thats not a correct link [23:53] cjwatson: hold on ill post the real link [23:53] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-paste may be useful; you can feed it data to pastebin on stdin [23:53] (not my work originally, though I forget where it came from) [23:54] Silicium: why's that relevant here? [23:54] (says it's based on Debian, not Ubuntu?) [23:54] maybe :) [23:54] here its on pastebin.com and i put the name as blahblahx cjwatson [23:54] debian [23:54] cjwatson, ooh neat toy [23:54] p.eof.name [23:54] blahblahx: [23:54] Silicium: yeah? [23:55]