/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/04/10/#kubuntu-devel.txt

awen-ScottK: :)00:03
awen-ScottK: uploaded it to my ppa ... should be avaible for testing in 10-20 minutes00:05
awen-the debdiff is here: http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu13.debdiff00:05
awen-everybody who has time, please test: https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive ... guidance-backends (the version ending in ubuntu13, which is on it's way)00:09
* awen- just thought of an improvement ... new upload in 5 mins or so00:19
awen-new version uploaded ... please test guidance-backends_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu13+ppa1 when it is avable00:24
* yuriy cheers for a bug-free guidance in hardy00:25
JontheEchidnaRiddell: You said you'd look at the coremoid package to give me pointers once I uploaded it? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=223000:27
awen-ScottK: reuploaded the debdiff ... so still avaible here http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu13.debdiff00:27
awen-yuriy: :D ... (but didn't you just assign a new bug against it ;P)00:28
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RiddellJontheEchidna: let me look00:31
ScottKRiddell: If you care to sponsor kde-guidance from awen-, please go ahead.  I can look at it in ~4 or 5 hours if not.00:32
RiddellJontheEchidna: looks great.  you left a manpage template in there which should probably just be removed (1.docbook).  also it's better to build it with builddir!=sourcedir00:35
RiddellJontheEchidna: to compile with builddir!=sourcedir, the cmake line becomes "mkdir build; cd build; cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4/ .."00:35
Riddellmake becomes "cd build; $(MAKE)"00:36
Riddellsame for make install00:36
Riddelland the make clean line just "rm -rf build"00:36
RiddellJontheEchidna: not sure what the "** CHECKOUT **" is in debian/copyright00:37
yuriyhttp://www.sebruiz.net/32200:37
JontheEchidnaRiddell: It was in the template when I got it00:37
yuriyhaven't come across that but if amarok 1.4.9 isn't gonna be in hardy, it would be good to back port the cover art fix00:37
JontheEchidna**CHECKOUT**00:37
Riddellyuriy: already is00:38
RiddellJontheEchidna: shrug, just delete then00:38
JontheEchidnaok00:38
yuriyRiddell: ok :)00:39
RiddellJontheEchidna: missing a build-depend "make[3]: /usr/bin/cmake: Command not found"00:40
RiddellJontheEchidna: you can test build in pbuilder to spot things like that00:40
JontheEchidnaok00:40
JontheEchidnaWhere can I find out when the feature freeze ends?00:42
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyReleaseSchedule00:42
JontheEchidnathanks00:42
RiddellApril 24th00:42
JontheEchidnaso should I bother uploading the new source deb until then?00:44
JontheEchidnaOh, but the other guy has a package too00:45
RiddellJontheEchidna: yeah, upload to revu00:45
Riddellwe'll just pick one at random on the day :)00:45
JontheEchidna:)00:46
awen-new guidance avaible in my PPA, if anyone is interested in kicking it without having an xorg.conf00:46
JontheEchidnajonathan@jonathan-desktop:~/Documents/sauce/coremoid$ dput revu coremoid_0.3.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes -f00:47
JontheEchidnaAlready uploaded to revu.tauware.de00:47
* awen- is going to bed now00:48
awen-happy hacking everyone ... still some hours until the freeze in your timezone ;)00:49
JontheEchidnaOh, I put the -f flag in the wrong place00:49
Riddellsleep well awen- , thanks for that00:49
JontheEchidnaall is well00:49
awen-thanks Riddell00:50
awen-see you all tomorrow00:50
Riddellgroovy works00:55
RiddellScottK: uploading guidance00:55
JontheEchidnaARgh, I was writing to my backup of /debian...01:00
* JontheEchidna slaps self01:00
JontheEchidnahttp://pastebin.com/m5390d3ed <-Why is it writing files to build's parent directory?01:03
JontheEchidnabrb01:04
ScottKRiddell: Great.01:07
ScottKRiddell: That's the last item on my Kubuntu list for Hardy.01:08
RiddellJontheEchidna: you need to rm CMakeCache.txt (and the other files that cmake made too preferably, zgrep \+\+\+ coremoid_0.3.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz | grep -v debian)01:08
RiddellScottK: awooga!01:08
ScottKRiddell: I'm pretty sure kde3 for Hardy is in good shape now.01:09
* Riddell snoozes01:10
RiddellJontheEchidna: you don't need "[ ! -f Makefile ] || "01:10
JontheEchidnayay!01:11
RiddellJontheEchidna: your Description: field in debian/control is wrong, it should be a short 1 line description then a long description below it (indented by two spaces and with blank lines using .)01:11
JontheEchidnaRiddell: Liek this? http://pastebin.com/m1efd06ed01:15
JontheEchidnaRiddell: Well if all went well the latest source.changes, etc should be uploaded to revu. If we don't meet again tonight you could always leave comment there, I suppose01:25
blueyedJontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/m243d8099 - but I'm no native speaker.01:54
JontheEchidnathanks01:57
yuriyhmm can't seem to connect to secure wireless anymore02:35
ScottKWorking here.02:38
yuriyhmm connecting manually ("connect to other wireless network") seems to work02:52
JontheEchidnaWell, I'm out for the night.03:16
Czessimorning03:56
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nixternalhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/flyhighplato/2401561069/sizes/l/in/pool-716391@N21/04:40
nixternalhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/flyhighplato/2402389482/sizes/l/in/pool-716391@N21/04:41
nixternaldecent little crowd getting some KDE lovin' by me :)04:41
Jucatopajamas? :)04:41
nixternalhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/flyhighplato/2401560983/sizes/l/in/pool-716391@N21/04:42
nixternalman, the camera does add 50 pounds :)04:42
Jucatohahahaha04:42
nixternalhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/flyhighplato/2401561001/sizes/l/in/pool-716391@N21/04:42
nixternalI got a whole nother chin growing in there :p04:43
Jucatolol04:43
nixternalJucato: see the picture of me in that picture? see the shirt :p04:43
Jucatohahah :)04:44
nixternalhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/jfroebe/2390425077/sizes/l/in/pool-716391@N21/04:44
nixternaleddie looks like a monkey in that pic :)04:44
Czessioh, some stickers on the notebook ;)04:44
Jucatoroflmao04:44
nixternalhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/flyhighplato/2402389152/in/pool-flourish0804:45
Jucatonixternal: only in that pic? )04:45
Jucato:)04:45
nixternalthe little kid in that picture, we had him handing out Ubuntu CDs :)04:45
nixternalCzessi: just a little04:45
Jucatoaw how cute :)04:45
nixternalthat is only the top 1/4 of the lappy04:45
* Jucato can imagine aseigo's p. handing out KDE stuff at conferences :)04:46
nixternalhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/flyhighplato/2402388700/in/pool-flourish0804:46
* nixternal dancing in front of the foresight booth trying to run people off04:46
nixternalmy lord, translation extraction still running04:47
Jucatoyes, nixternal?04:48
nixternalhaha04:49
nixternalshould have seen that one coming04:49
Jucato:D04:49
nixternalwe have more translations that I originally thought..some of have just been updated04:49
Czessihow long will it take to get the @kubuntu.org address? i become my kubuntu member on the 19th of march and no email forwarding as yet :(04:49
Jucatowonder when we're going to get a full Esperanto Kubuntu, or a Latin one04:50
nixternalCzessi: you need to hit up one of the canonical sysadmins04:50
JucatoCzessi: you added yourself to the ubuntu members team in LP?04:50
Czessinixternal: ok, i'll ask them04:50
Jucatoer.. kubuntu members I mean (which automatically adds you to the ubuntu members)04:51
CzessiJucato: no, only added me to kubuntu members bit threre is an indirect membership for ubuntu-members https://edge.launchpad.net/~czessi04:52
Jucatoyeah, what I meant :)04:52
Czessinixternal: the sticker notebook is yours?04:52
nixternalya04:52
Jucatobtw, if you're email forwards to a gmail account, don't send yourself and email to test it04:53
nixternal24 stickers in total04:53
nixternalbut those will get removed eventually...I am going to mod my lappy with a new paint job, and a new custom airbrushed plate in the back with mass KDE love :)04:53
nixternalat least that is my plans04:53
nixternalif I go through with it has yet to be seen04:54
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jpatrickhola r0uzic09:17
jpatrickpoor smarter :(09:18
r0uzicHi jpatrick09:18
jpatrickCzessi: @kubuntu.org address are usually made after two days, see https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/7109:19
Riddelljpatrick: what about smarter?09:24
smarterhmm?09:24
jpatrickRiddell: his remote hates him09:24
smarterwhat?09:24
Riddellseele: what do you think of the partition buttons here?  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/partition-buttons.png  in german they don't fit on 800 pixels so they've been put on two lines11:10
jussio1Riddell: what were you after the other day?11:33
SimeRiddell: I've found the cause of the "menu text dissappearing in Oxygen" PyKDE problem.... and my head hurts.11:37
RiddellSime: you're a genius!11:39
Riddellwhat was it?11:39
Riddelldynamic_cast acts differently between linked and dlopened libraries?  c++ is so evil11:44
SimeWORLD OF PAIN!11:46
Simestooopid linking11:47
Simeit would be nice if C++ worked as advertised.11:47
SimeBut you have to know about everything under covers.11:47
smarterw00t, kwin composite now works without drawing black lines around windows on ATi cards12:11
smarterfinally, I can use transparency in Yakuake12:12
JontheEchidnaMorning.12:13
JontheEchidnaThe dot's planet-kde updater is broken. D:12:14
JontheEchidnaI've missed days worth of blogs12:14
smarterI think I'll never switch back to KDE 3.5 now :)12:15
* smarter does the Qt4 Dance :P12:15
JontheEchidnaI'd probably build 4.1 myself except that I don't have the raw CPU power to do that with any regularity or speed12:16
smarterwith my Pentium M 1,73 GHz, the first built of qt-copy took 1h20, kdelibs took 1h and kdebase 30 minutes12:21
JontheEchidnaCeleron (dun dun dun....) 2.5 GHZ12:23
JontheEchidnaFresh Wine takes 2 1.2 hours12:24
JontheEchidna1/212:24
JontheEchidnaccache helps12:24
seeleRiddell: what does the german button say?12:26
* seele yawns12:26
Riddellseele: "Undo partition changes"12:29
Riddellseele: I suppose what's needed is a flow layout for the buttons, but there's no stock way to do that12:33
Riddellpreviously they weren't translatable so they could fit on one line12:35
seeleRiddell: will the other buttons eventualy be translated?  because they might not all fit if they are12:48
seeleoh, the one is12:48
Riddellseele: yes they will be12:48
Riddelland if they're equally long that is an issue12:49
seelehmm12:49
seeleit is ok how it is for now, i just hope the other buttons fit once theyre translated12:50
seeleeven if we shortened the button to just "Undo changes", all the buttons probably wont fit once they are translated12:52
seeleis it a ubiquity hug day?  i noticed a lot of ubiquity bugs got fixed12:53
Riddellit's a seele hug day :)12:56
Riddellseele: have you seen the new partition size widget on the gtk frontend? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/partition2.png  think it's better than a slidebar?13:01
seelehmm13:01
seelei dont know if users would notice the affordance, but it could be fixed13:02
seeleit needs a bounding box around the entire widget13:02
seelemaybe the widget color changed too, otherwise it looks like it is part of the window and not of an interactive widget13:02
seelealthough.. that workflow is kindof strange.  for option 1 you configure it right there and i assume Next takes you to the user info page?13:03
Riddellseele: yes13:03
seeleguided doesnt require any other input, but manual takes you to the other partition screen13:03
seelewell.. i guess maybe its not that bad13:03
seeleits just weird that you have the interactive widget there but cant do anything else for the other options13:04
seelealthough it would be interesting to see how that effects the perception of the manual option.  if you can configure guided there, but not manual, does that mean you configure anything for manual?13:05
* seele still doesnt like the label guided, but apparently no one else agreed13:05
* Serega waves13:05
Riddellit's not my favourite label13:05
Riddellto Serega13:05
SeregaRiddell: ok, I'll use another greeting :)13:06
SeregaRiddell: what is the latest deadline for GDEbi?13:06
Riddellerr, ignore me Serega, typo13:06
RiddellSerega: today :)13:06
seelelol13:06
Seregaah... darn...13:07
SeregaRiddell: today's day or night? :)13:07
RiddellSerega: european night13:08
RiddellSerega: we can probably sneak it in if you need a bit longer13:08
SeregaRiddell: thanks, it would be great. I'll try do get it in time anyway, but thanks.13:09
klerfaytI never understood one thing about kubuntu - why isn't "show recently used applications" enabled by default in kmenu? (kde3.5)13:27
Riddellto keep the kmenu simple and uncluttered13:30
seeleRiddell: http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5785/partition3cq0.png13:34
seeleRiddell: that is what the widget should look like, i assume the handle highlights when the mouse is over? (if not it should..)13:35
seeleRiddell: dunno if you want to pass that on or if you want me to put it in a bug13:35
Riddellseele: I can pass it on, and also implement it on the KDE side13:36
seeleawesome13:39
Riddellseele: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/partition3.png14:35
seeleRiddell: cool.  the border really helps.  although the grabby thing doesnt stand out as much as in the Gnome version, i dunno if it's such a problem that people wouldn't figure it out14:38
seelei might be concerned for windows users, because i dont think those types of widgets are used often in windows so they might not recognize it14:38
Riddellseele: bug 21513114:45
ubotuLaunchpad bug 215131 in ubiquity "resize widget changes for clarity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21513114:45
seeleRiddell: does Gnome use binary or decimal units?14:47
Riddellseele: how do you mean?14:47
seeleKiB vs. KB14:48
seelei think KDE4 uses KiB now, doesn't it?  do you think the installer should reflect that?14:48
seele(for the KDE4 remix)14:48
seeledunno.. seems stupid to have two versions of ubiquity i guess14:49
seelenevermind14:49
Riddellseele: partman (used by ubiquity) uses 1MB=1,000,000bytes14:49
seelebut +1 on the bug entry14:49
seeleok14:49
Riddellwhich is an SI MB, but not what most people think is a MB (an SI MiB)14:50
Tm_TJucato <314:57
Jucatohi Tm_T sir14:57
apacheloggerRiddell: can you please apply http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/gdebi/gdebi-0.3.7.patch and upload? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/gdebi/ubuntu15:26
Riddellapachelogger: groovy15:40
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nixternalRiddell: building kubuntu-docs now...will do some testing and then upload the package for you to upload :)16:13
Riddellthanks nixternal16:15
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Czessimorning16:15
nixternalmornin' it is16:16
nixternalCzessi: where are you at that it is morning?16:16
Czessinixternal: this morning I'm coming from work an now I'm coming from bed ;)16:16
Czessinixternal: I'm in germany16:17
nixternalahh16:17
nixternaloh wow, the IBM Hydro-Cluster Supercomputer is bad arse16:18
nixternalcool water goes to the CPU, warm/hot water leaves the CPU...and IBM plans to utilize the warm/hot water for heating and what not..pretty cool16:19
CzessiI think it's better to name the package coremoid-kde4. so it's listed when someone use the -kde4 tag by filtering in adept. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=coremoid16:22
apacheloggerCzessi: doesn't really matter16:26
apacheloggerthere are far too many results for a kde4 filter16:26
apacheloggerso if someone is looking for a plasmoid they hopefully search for plasmoid or plasma ;-)16:26
Czessiapachelogger: ok, i build booth versions but JontheEchidna was faster to upload the package ;)16:29
apacheloggeruhhh, contributor racing16:30
apacheloggerthat sounds like fun :D16:31
Czessino, he has uploaded first and so he did it16:32
apacheloggerRiddell: thanks for the upload :)16:33
apacheloggerCzessi: well, like I said: a race16:34
apacheloggerhowever uploads first gets all ze karma :D16:35
nixternalthere is no upload Karma :)16:35
apacheloggerOo16:36
* apachelogger is wondering whether nixternal trusts lp karma16:36
nixternalthere should be though16:36
nixternalI haven't looked at LP karma in who knows how long16:36
apacheloggersame here16:36
nixternallast I looked, I had translation karma, and haven't translated a damn thing :)16:36
apacheloggerlol16:36
* apachelogger had more karma from answering questions than from fixing bug16:37
nixternalI used to answer questions years back, but haven't since then16:37
nixternalI have to take the dogs to the beauty salon..it is so funny, the people are more afraid of the 10 pound Yorki than they are of a 100 pound pit bull16:38
nixternalawesome, we are going to have severe thunderstorms tonight and snow tomorrow16:39
apacheloggermeh16:41
seezerRiddell: are there any plans for a kdepim (4:3.5.9-ubuntu3) yet? would be nice to get the fix for http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155223 in16:49
ubotuKDE bug 155223 in IMAP "sieve script is truncated" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]16:49
eagles0513875hey guys16:49
eagles0513875i would like to take the time to introduce myself if anyone is interested16:50
Riddellseezer: there's no plans but if there's a fix we can upload16:51
Riddellhi eagles051387516:51
Riddellah good, another jonathan16:51
eagles0513875hey Riddell16:51
seezerRiddell: hmkay ;)16:51
eagles0513875fyi guys i am joining the dev team. i admit i dont have much programming practice except java know how but im planning on teaching myself c++ and python sometime as well as how to write kernels16:51
eagles0513875im studying for a bsc in computing and informationsystems and im currently based in europe for school but am originally from the usa16:52
smarterwrite kernels?16:52
eagles0513875ya16:52
eagles0513875if u want the link i can link it for ya16:52
eagles0513875kernels from scratch ll16:52
eagles0513875if u guys have ay questions for me im glad to be a part of the team16:52
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smartercontributing to an existing kernel is a better idea IMHO (:16:52
eagles0513875smarter: thing is im planning on creating my own clustering distro based on kubuntu but once i learn that i can also improve whats already aroun16:53
eagles0513875Riddell: what do i have to do to get a possible pkgs submitted for repos16:53
smartertoo late to hardy, too early for hardy+116:54
eagles0513875lol16:54
Riddelleagles0513875: package it, upload to revu, ask for reviews then ask someone to upload once it's good16:54
smarterbut you can upload them to http://revu.ubuntuwire.com where they will be reviewed and uploaded by MOTU16:54
Riddellas smarter says we're closed for all but important bug fixes for the next couple of weeks16:54
Riddelliso testers will be needed!16:55
eagles0513875cuz i found another windows emulator called crossover i found the source for it im goign to try it out and possibly submit its funny they took wine technology and made it a million times better from the sounds of things16:55
eagles0513875finally got this old machine back so im more then willing to test out stuf16:55
eagles0513875my old laptop is my kubuntu r&d box16:55
eagles0513875j/w what is adept programmed in16:56
apacheloggerc++16:56
eagles0513875woudl u guys accept pkged open source books16:56
eagles0513875im no help there yet16:57
eagles0513875cuz i have a good one for kernels and another one for python16:57
seezereagles0513875: isn't crossover office a comercial application?16:58
smarterit is16:58
eagles0513875they have source code up for free16:58
eagles0513875http://www.codeweavers.com/products/source/16:58
seezerthats the wine base they built upon16:59
eagles0513875im sure its still better then wine is it not16:59
apacheloggernope16:59
apacheloggeractually16:59
smarterit is wine16:59
apacheloggerworse16:59
eagles0513875really16:59
apacheloggerbecause they rely on a wine snapshot16:59
eagles0513875damn so im better off getting wine16:59
apacheloggerso the sources you find at their website is just a compilation of the floss they use16:59
seezereagles0513875: actually some wine guys are making their living through codeweavers iirc17:00
eagles0513875O_o17:00
smarterand codeweavers contribute back to wine too17:00
eagles0513875ahhh gotcha17:00
apacheloggerwell, codeweavers is the light, compared to transgaming which is the darkness17:00
seezerhehe17:01
seezerapachelogger: so true ;)17:01
eagles0513875so maybe i can play wow on this laptop but i think my video card is to crappy17:01
eagles0513875i was hoping to try it on my new laptop but i cant even get kubuntu installed17:01
eagles0513875anyone know of any java projects/pkgs people want for kubuntu for kubuntu17:02
smarterKDE/Kubuntu devs use C++/Python usually17:03
apacheloggernixternal: what to do with bug #191836 and bug #19074317:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 191836 in kde4libs "KDE4 application taskbar entry disappears when I drag an app across desktop border" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19183617:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 190743 in kde4libs "KDE4 desktop grid shows taskbar from current desktop in all desktops." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19074317:04
apacheloggerboth are wontfix for upstream17:04
eagles0513875speaking of i wanna try compiz lol17:04
apacheloggerapparentely magic is involved ;-)17:04
apacheloggersmarter: I use ruby :P17:04
eagles0513875right now im only java im hoping this summer while working to get c++ in my head17:05
smarterapachelogger: you have taste :)17:05
apacheloggerwell, I am an apachelogger after all :D17:05
eagles0513875does kubuntu integrate nicely into multicore environment or would it have to be rewritten17:05
apacheloggereagles0513875: apparently the difference from java to c++ isn't all that big17:05
eagles0513875apachelogger: i knowi was looking at my c++ book the other day and its vry similar and knowing java now will make it a ton easier17:06
eagles0513875im goign to build my self an insane quad core machine with the new 45nm intel proc17:06
eagles0513875what does it mean when amaroks says no sutiable demux plugin17:07
smarterLinux can make use of lots of core, no need to rewrite anything (:17:08
eagles0513875:)17:08
eagles0513875sweet17:08
eagles0513875i cant wait till i get that puppy built17:08
eagles0513875that would make a crazy server as well 12mb of cache17:08
eagles0513875kubuntu has made my life so much easier since gutsy17:10
eagles0513875im really promoting kubuntu ovr here. im actually going to put together a presentation and go talk to some of the big companies that sell computers here and provide them with support for linux machines17:11
Riddellgrr; ubiauity ,qde ,e chose q french keyboqrd qnd then is crqshed qnd IĆ¹, stuck zith it17:11
eagles0513875?17:12
Nightrosehehe I think riddell is stuck with a french keyboard layout17:12
smarterRiddell: azertyuiop qsdfghjklm wxcvbn17:12
eagles0513875lol17:12
smarternow map this into your head (:17:12
eagles0513875lol17:12
eagles0513875u guys need any pkgs tested17:12
Riddellphew, fixed17:13
eagles0513875lol Riddell the mp3 codec is lame right17:13
Riddelleagles0513875: we need the whole distro tested, if you're able to download CD images17:13
eagles0513875im testing hardy beta x6417:13
eagles0513875and i think i just found a bug with lame pkg and amarok17:13
Riddellamarok doesn't use lame, it'll use libmad for decoding17:14
apacheloggerNightrose: interessting language though ;-)17:14
eagles0513875im trying to listen to mp3 streams17:14
* apachelogger is running out of fixable bugs17:14
Nightroseapachelogger: ;-) sure17:14
Nightroseapachelogger: have a look at my buglist in launchpad then :P17:14
apacheloggernah, you has the most boring bugs :P17:15
eagles0513875lol17:15
eagles0513875night anything i can help u with even though i have vry limited programming knowledge17:15
Riddellapachelogger: when is the new amarok tar expected?17:15
eagles0513875brb guys if its out ill test17:16
apacheloggerRiddell: soonish, aumuell uploaded a fix for the ipod integration which still needs testing17:16
eagles0513875cant help withthat have no ipod17:17
eagles0513875lets say i want to stream audio what pkgs r there that do that17:17
Riddelluser question that, #kubuntu17:18
eagles0513875ok sry17:18
eagles0513875brb going to login and try out compiz17:19
Riddellkeen chap :)17:19
Nightrose;-) indeed17:19
Nightroseapachelogger: I haz ze most boring bugs? :(17:19
Nightrose*sob*17:19
apacheloggerNightrose: yes, but ze best hugs17:20
apachelogger*hug*17:20
* apachelogger hugs the whole channel17:20
Nightrose:) ok that makes the sob go away *hug*17:20
* Tm_T hugs apachelogger and Nightrose, its own grandgrandkids17:20
Nightrosehehe Tm_T17:21
Tm_Tor was it grandgrandgrand? anyway17:21
NightroseI thought it wasn't grand at all but ok ;-)17:21
apacheloggermeh17:21
apacheloggermom is drunken again -.-17:22
apacheloggerTm_T: I am your son17:22
apacheloggerwhich makes Nightrose your soon-to-be-daughter-in-law17:22
apacheloggerTm_T: clear enough?17:22
Tm_Tapachelogger: "son" but infact grandgrandson17:22
Tm_Tbecause I'm that old17:22
apacheloggerthat sounds super strange, really17:22
apacheloggerTm_T: yeah, I totally agree17:22
Tm_Twell its easier to just call son and mom17:22
eagles0513875think i just found another bug17:24
Nightrosenah there are no bugs in kubuntu17:24
Nightroseoh you tested compiz...17:25
eagles0513875trying to doesnt seem to be working17:25
Nightrosethen maybe ;-)17:25
eagles0513875after i installed it i logged out i remember with beryl u have to login to an fglrx desktop17:25
eagles0513875well when i logged out before it didnt even load the login screen17:25
eagles0513875but now it seems to be working17:25
smarterWe have a nice compiz setup tool in Kubuntu: desktop-effects-kde17:26
eagles0513875thats what im looking for lol so there is no need for emerald17:27
Riddellseezer: have you tested the patch in http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155223 ?17:30
ubotuKDE bug 155223 in IMAP "sieve script is truncated" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]17:30
seezerRiddell: no i haven't sorry. just found http://lists.kde.org/?l=kdepim-users&m=120483836900484&w=2 and the fixed bug report while searching for the cause of my kmail problems17:33
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eagles0513875would u guys like me to test out the next version of amarok17:34
smartergo ahead, it's in the repo17:35
eagles0513875:) if i cant fix bugs i can at least test17:36
eagles0513875my compiz isnt working right17:37
kishore_I have a question with regard to hal and usb storage mount points17:44
kishore_my external drive that used to mount at /media/ext_drive now mounts at /media/ext_drive-1 since about 2 hrs ago17:45
kishore_this even after a restart17:45
kishore_i need to reset this behaviour17:46
eagles0513875kishore_: i could be wrong but u might be in the wrong channel17:46
Nightrosekishore_: known issue17:46
Nightrosethere is at least one bugreport on launchpad about this17:47
Nightrosekishore_: you can get around this by unmounting the drive before logging out17:48
kishore_eagles0513875: i tried at #hal but got no response17:48
eagles0513875gotcha my apologies kishore_ im new to all this17:48
eagles0513875gotcha my apologies kishore_ im new to all this17:49
kishore_Nightrose: thanks for your response17:49
nixternalRiddell: uploading the docs to a spot you can download them too...not including a debdiff as it is over 80MB17:49
Nightrosekishore_: you're welcome17:49
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nixternalRiddell: .dsc and the tar.gz file - much smaller this way17:50
kishore_Nightrose: as suggested by someone on #kubuntu i had to delete a dangling /media/ext_drive folder manually17:50
kishore_thanks all17:50
Nightroseoh yea forgot to mention that :)17:50
eagles0513875night where do i get amarok 2 im not seeing it in repos17:51
Nightroseit is not yet released17:51
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Nightroseand if you want to highlight me you will need to use my whole nick :)17:51
Nightroseif you want to get amarok 2 you will need to compile it yourself for now including kde libraries from kde trunk17:52
apacheloggerNightrose: highlight17:52
Nightroseapachelogger: :P selber17:52
apacheloggerand don't forget about qt-copy from trunk17:52
apacheloggerand kdebase-runtime from trunk17:52
Nightroseyea that too17:52
Nightroseand and and ;-)17:52
apacheloggerhmmmmm17:52
nixternalor Riddell's Qt 4.4 RC package17:52
apacheloggerkhtmlimage is making me cry17:53
apacheloggerNightrose: hold me17:53
apacheloggerah, it was the music17:53
* Nightrose holds apachelogger 17:53
Nightrosebetter?17:53
apacheloggerstupid trance17:53
Nightrosehehe17:53
apacheloggerNightrose: yeah, much *cuddle*17:53
eagles0513875lol17:54
* Nightrose should get something to eat - feeling all dizzy after a day in the computer lab17:54
eagles0513875makes me not feel like such a looser sitting in front of comp all day17:54
eagles0513875whats necessary to make mods to dependencies of a pkg cuz compiz is missing the ccsm configuration panel by default17:55
apacheloggerccsm is evil, that is the reason we created a cut down, user friendly version17:56
eagles0513875what other way can u enable the cube effect17:56
apachelogger*shrug*17:57
nixternalRiddell: http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/docs/kubuntu-docs_8.04-3.dsc17:57
eagles0513875seems like it keeps crashing on me17:57
apacheloggerhm17:58
apacheloggeroh mon dieu!17:58
apacheloggerNightrose: do you have a konqueror-kde4 at hand?17:58
Nightrosenope no kde 4 in the lab here17:59
NightroseI could start my laptop but that would take some time17:59
apacheloggerNightrose: well, not that important17:59
eagles0513875anything i can help with17:59
Nightroseok17:59
eagles0513875apachelogger: anything i can help u get ur hands on17:59
Riddellnixternal: groovy17:59
apacheloggereagles0513875: do you have a konqueror-kde4 installed?17:59
eagles0513875not yet18:00
* apachelogger goes hacking18:02
eagles0513875that sounds like fun18:02
apacheloggereagles0513875: not at all, the issue is in kdelibs... i.e. a waste of time due to compiling18:03
eagles0513875if u want to send it my way ill compile for ya18:03
eagles0513875that way u can get onto something else18:03
apacheloggereagles0513875: I have 3 machines here, so I don't get stuck, but it is annoying if I have to digg into the code again in case my fix wasn't all that glorious :S18:06
eagles0513875if u want me to test it out im more then willing18:06
eagles0513875ill stop downloading the updated pkgs and start downloading kde418:07
apacheloggerkde4 packages, mhhhh :D18:07
eagles0513875are there any bugs in regards to vmware server18:13
Nightroseeagles0513875: please use the launchpad bug search18:14
NightroseI am sure there are but we cannot honestly know them all ;-)18:15
eagles0513875lol18:15
eagles0513875dont expect u to know them all18:15
apachelogger...just some :P18:15
eagles0513875cuz i would like to run a vista vm on here lol18:15
eagles0513875im out for now guys off to dinner18:19
eagles0513875Nightrose: ill get started downloading kde4 when i return18:19
Riddellnixternal: "Waiting for approval: kubuntu-docs 8.04-3" just missed it!18:21
nixternalshould be an easy approval though18:22
nixternalit is just documentation :)18:22
paranblueyed: thanks for sponsoring #212973 :)18:39
blueyedparan: thanks for fixing it :)18:42
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Nightroseok folks they are kicking me out of the lab soon - hope I have net access at home tomorrow again - laters :)18:53
Riddellbye nixternal18:54
Riddellbye Nightrose too18:54
Artemis_FowlRiddell: hope something like this fits our needs: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1205436_wrpvo/KGRUBEditor21.png18:59
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RiddellArtemis_Fowl: looks lovely19:05
nixternalbye?19:10
nixternalI am still here...had to go pick up my doggies19:10
Riddelljust a tab error19:14
nixternalhehe19:16
apacheloggerRiddell: bug #20872419:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 208724 in kdebase-workspace "Colored oxygen window decoration" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20872419:21
apacheloggera wontfix IMO19:21
apacheloggernixternal: btw, what about the bugs I pasted earlier :P19:22
apacheloggerwoah, my X needs a restart19:24
apacheloggerNightrose: btw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status have a look at the description of triaged ;-) .... please only use triaged for bugs which provide enough information, like a bugfix in upstream, a patch, or tons of backtraces etc.19:26
Riddellapachelogger: agreed19:31
apacheloggeroh, now I got a wicked minded idea20:03
* apachelogger download kde4libs20:03
apacheloggerRiddell: bug #214645 ... how about replacing/conflicting the old kde4base packages in kdelibs?20:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 214645 in kdebase-workspace "package kdebase-runtime-data None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdebase-runtime-data.list] failed to install/upgrade: " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21464520:05
apacheloggerone can't install kde4 apps without kdelibs5, so we can resolve the issue on the most common layer of all kdebase-* packages20:06
eagles0513875im back21:10
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eagles0513875anyone alive in here21:32
nixternalhttp://flickr.com/photos/specialkevin/2394629553/21:37
nixternalhahahahahahahaha21:37
eagles0513875O_o21:38
nixternalI had a bug on my shirt21:38
eagles0513875lol21:39
eagles0513875what u working on21:39
nixternalworking on getting my lazy arse up and taking a shower and heading to the university for some hackage21:40
eagles0513875hacking what21:41
apacheloggernixternal: in this case my laptop is a gigantic bug21:41
nixternaldon't know yet21:41
nixternalapachelogger: I could have told you that21:42
* apachelogger is afraid :(21:42
nixternaldude, I have had like 15 people msg me and ask if I was using Gnome now because of that picture21:42
eagles0513875apachelogger: lol21:42
eagles0513875if u need me to test any fixes let me know21:42
apacheloggerRiddell: please sneak 1.4.9.1 in hardy ;-)21:42
eagles0513875O_o can u fill me in apachelogger21:43
apacheloggereagles0513875: in what?21:43
eagles0513875what u want sneaked in21:44
apacheloggeroh, that is so top secret, I don't even know what it is about :P21:45
apacheloggerif Nightrose was here, she probably would know21:45
etretyakapachelogger: amarok ;-)21:45
apacheloggeroh mon dieu!21:45
apacheloggeretretyak: you have to encrypt it21:45
apacheloggerlike korama or something21:45
nixternalRiddell: if you have any old Kubuntu slides, link me..I plan on giving a Kubuntu, a KDE 4, and some other talks at Penguicon next weekend..and I am kicking wolfger out of his house and taking over :p21:46
eagles0513875i wanna try amarok 221:46
eagles0513875im installing kde4 to help out with testing21:46
apacheloggernixternal: wanna give a talk about amarok? :P21:46
etretyakapachelogger: a M /| r 0 |<21:47
nixternaliTunes maybe :p21:47
apacheloggereagles0513875: fair enough21:47
apacheloggernixternal: I thought about doing one for banshee21:47
apacheloggerbut then I signed up for a kdemm talk at linuxtag in berlin -.-21:47
apacheloggeretretyak: fair enough even21:47
nixternalapachelogger: hahaha, that would be classic21:47
eagles0513875apachelogger: since i cant do any programming and bug fixing yet21:47
nixternalI got the banshee presentation last Saturday21:48
apacheloggereagles0513875: that saied, there is something else topic secret I know everything about, technically, just no information of any use21:48
nixternaland it kept crashing...which I then yelled "GO GATES GO!"21:48
apacheloggernixternal: really? :S21:48
nixternalyup21:48
* apachelogger has no luck with rhythmbox21:48
eagles0513875apachelogger: what that microsoft suxs balls21:48
apacheloggerbanshee works like a charm for me21:48
nixternalI liked rythmbox actually..it was quite simple and liked my daapd before Amarok supported it21:48
apacheloggeramarok's daap is b0rked21:49
apacheloggerand eean doesn't exactly care21:49
eagles0513875i need to program a decent gui based streaming media server21:49
apacheloggerit's playing every song twice21:49
apacheloggerquite annoying21:49
apacheloggereagles0513875: you should join radio amarok and hack on icecast ;-)21:49
eagles0513875lol21:50
eagles0513875icecast is webbased21:50
eagles0513875how on earth u access the webbased client21:50
apacheloggerwhich is pretty much the point of radio amarok :P21:50
apacheloggerwell, the client isn't webbased21:51
eagles0513875for icecast21:51
eagles0513875what isnt webbased21:52
* apachelogger doesn't get the question and therefore will just start talking21:52
eagles0513875what client isnt webbased21:53
apacheloggericecast is a 3 part streaming solution21:53
eagles0513875what isnt 3rd party i would like a gui 1 if one exists21:53
apacheloggereagles0513875: client as in: the thing that receives the data?21:54
apacheloggeror the transmitting client?21:54
apacheloggerwhich brings me back to the 3 part streaming solution :P21:54
eagles0513875transmitting21:54
eagles0513875mp3s21:54
apacheloggereagles0513875: idjc21:54
apacheloggerfor example21:55
eagles0513875thanks21:55
apacheloggerbut I think you're looking for something completely different actually21:55
apacheloggereagles0513875: more like a media server thingy for a network, right?21:55
eagles0513875no21:55
apacheloggerok, so I am just stupid today21:55
apacheloggeroh, I need to grab some freeze exceptions tomorrow21:56
* apachelogger didn't quite finish his bug fixing session in time21:56
eagles0513875i have a site on a fully linuxed based hosting and they have a radio stream and im trying to convert the guy to linux instead of xp21:56
eagles0513875have the bugs with flac been fixed21:57
apacheloggerI think so21:57
apachelogger we are using idjc at radio amarok, there are probably more professional tools but idjc is a just-works-software21:57
* apachelogger grabs some tea21:57
ryanakcaRiddell: ping, if we don't hear back by Saturday, could you use your super powers to find out the status of the website please? (I can't look at it on the RT, since I asked to leave it in the private queue)22:00
eagles0513875have any of u guys had any issues getting the java jre installed for firefox322:02
eagles0513875ryanakca: if u dont mind me asking what website22:02
apacheloggereagles0513875: also topsecret apparently ;-)22:07
eagles0513875?22:07
eagles0513875do u guys want me to pkg this linux kernel in a nutshell book22:08
jtatewhat's kubuntu's plan with pulseaudio and network manager?22:09
jtateHow are you planning on getting the daemon started, and injecting the X module?22:09
jtate(for pulse)22:09
apacheloggereagles0513875: I don't think packages are the perfect way to distribute open books22:09
apacheloggerokular is probably getting a functionallity for this22:10
apacheloggersometime in the feature22:10
apacheloggerwhich seems a lot more useful to me22:10
eagles0513875apachelogger: they do that in open suse22:10
apacheloggerjtate: we don't have a plan afaik22:10
eagles0513875i dunno how it sworks but it seems llike thats how they do it cuz its in the repos22:10
apacheloggereagles0513875: well, I imagine they have some gui thingy22:11
apacheloggerbecause with packages only you can only address a very ... very small audience22:11
wolfgernixternal: good deal!22:11
wolfgermake me love KDE422:11
eagles0513875apachelogger: this book is in pdf format22:11
wolfgerbecause right now I really don't22:11
jtatewolfger: did you backport that patch on the klipper crash to kde4.0?22:11
apacheloggereagles0513875: not packagable at all then22:11
apacheloggereagles0513875: we need to comply with the debian free guideline stuff22:12
eagles0513875it is free22:12
eagles0513875ill link u22:12
jtatewolfger: looks like it applies cleanly22:12
apacheloggerwhich means without the sources the pdf has been created of there is nothing to be packaged22:12
wolfgerjtate: no. I'm just generally unimpressed with features from KDE3 that are now gone22:12
* jtate will let you know whether it works.22:12
apacheloggereagles0513875: free != free/libre22:13
jtatewolfger: not sure I follow you.22:13
eagles0513875this is libre22:13
* jtate is talking about the klipper bug that you committed a fix for half an hour ago.22:13
apacheloggereagles0513875: nah, it can't be without the source files22:13
wolfgerjtate: I did???22:13
apacheloggerpdf is a binary format22:13
eagles0513875apachelogger: http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/lkn.html22:14
wolfgerjtate: I've done no bug work in quite some time22:14
ryanakcaeagles0513875: the Kubuntu website22:14
eagles0513875im new to all this right now im just testing22:14
jtatewolfger: err.  mistaken identity: wolfer versus wolfger22:14
wolfgerI thought you thought Klipper was somehow related to my just-stated dislike of KDE422:14
eagles0513875ryanakca: if u need someone to help wiht that ill help u guys out22:14
ryanakcaeagles0513875: nope, its done, thanks anyways ;)22:14
jtatehttp://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=79557522:15
apacheloggereagles0513875: ok, you could package the docbooks and generate whatever is appropriate format at build time22:15
jtatenixternal said something about this coming straight from kubuntu, so I jumped to the wrong conclusion apparently.22:15
eagles0513875apachelogger: i also have one for python22:15
apacheloggereagles0513875: well, again, I don't think packaging the books is all the much useful22:16
apacheloggerI'd create a GUI to download them22:16
apacheloggerfrom some kind of book repository22:16
apacheloggerwhich is the planed solution for okular IIRC22:17
eagles0513875apachelogger: cant u set it to dl the zip to the desktop or extract it to a folder on the desktop22:17
apacheloggereagles0513875: the package?22:17
eagles0513875ya22:17
apacheloggerwell, technically a lot is possible22:18
apacheloggerbut that doesn't make the packaging of books anymore valid ;-)22:18
apacheloggerthe ubuntu archives are software repositories22:18
eagles0513875then what repo could those go in if any22:18
apacheloggereagles0513875: I would get in touch with the okular developers22:18
eagles0513875!okular22:19
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about okular - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi22:19
apacheloggereagles0513875: http://okular.kde.org/contact.php22:19
eagles0513875would it be possible to get a repo for free open source books22:19
apachelogger...I saied that 2 times now -.-22:20
apacheloggereagles0513875: the okular team is thinking about something like that22:20
apacheloggeryou can download books from within the reader22:20
eagles0513875gotcha22:20
eagles0513875gotcha22:21
eagles0513875apachelogger: i let him know22:28
eagles0513875if any of u guys need stuff tested out let me know22:31
Riddellryanakca: I have no superpowers with rt, I've never been able to log in to it22:57
Riddellapachelogger: where is 1.4.9.1?22:58
Riddellapachelogger: bug 214645, I've always said the old kde4foo packages just need to be removed, else we'd spend ages adding conflicts/replaces22:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 214645 in kdebase-workspace "package kdebase-runtime-data None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdebase-runtime-data.list] failed to install/upgrade: " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21464522:58
Riddellapachelogger: 1.4.9.1 uploaded23:07
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SeregaRiddell: ping23:35
Riddellhi Serega23:44
dthacker-work;quit23:45
RiddellTonio_: xine_part.desktop has higher preference than kmplayer_part.desktop, that doesn't seem right23:46
ryanakcaRiddell: ok, thanks anyways :)23:58

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