[00:03] <awen-> ScottK: :)
[00:05] <awen-> ScottK: uploaded it to my ppa ... should be avaible for testing in 10-20 minutes
[00:05] <awen-> the debdiff is here: http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu13.debdiff
[00:09] <awen-> everybody who has time, please test: https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive ... guidance-backends (the version ending in ubuntu13, which is on it's way)
[00:19]  * awen- just thought of an improvement ... new upload in 5 mins or so
[00:24] <awen-> new version uploaded ... please test guidance-backends_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu13+ppa1 when it is avable
[00:25]  * yuriy cheers for a bug-free guidance in hardy
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: You said you'd look at the coremoid package to give me pointers once I uploaded it? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2230
[00:27] <awen-> ScottK: reuploaded the debdiff ... so still avaible here http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu13.debdiff
[00:28] <awen-> yuriy: :D ... (but didn't you just assign a new bug against it ;P)
[00:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: let me look
[00:32] <ScottK> Riddell: If you care to sponsor kde-guidance from awen-, please go ahead.  I can look at it in ~4 or 5 hours if not.
[00:35] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: looks great.  you left a manpage template in there which should probably just be removed (1.docbook).  also it's better to build it with builddir!=sourcedir
[00:35] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: to compile with builddir!=sourcedir, the cmake line becomes "mkdir build; cd build; cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4/ .."
[00:36] <Riddell> make becomes "cd build; $(MAKE)"
[00:36] <Riddell> same for make install
[00:36] <Riddell> and the make clean line just "rm -rf build"
[00:37] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: not sure what the "** CHECKOUT **" is in debian/copyright
[00:37] <yuriy> http://www.sebruiz.net/322
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: It was in the template when I got it
[00:37] <yuriy> haven't come across that but if amarok 1.4.9 isn't gonna be in hardy, it would be good to back port the cover art fix
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> **CHECKOUT**
[00:38] <Riddell> yuriy: already is
[00:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: shrug, just delete then
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> ok
[00:39] <yuriy> Riddell: ok :)
[00:40] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: missing a build-depend "make[3]: /usr/bin/cmake: Command not found"
[00:40] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you can test build in pbuilder to spot things like that
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> ok
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> Where can I find out when the feature freeze ends?
[00:42] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyReleaseSchedule
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[00:42] <Riddell> April 24th
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> so should I bother uploading the new source deb until then?
[00:45] <JontheEchidna> Oh, but the other guy has a package too
[00:45] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yeah, upload to revu
[00:45] <Riddell> we'll just pick one at random on the day :)
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> :)
[00:46] <awen-> new guidance avaible in my PPA, if anyone is interested in kicking it without having an xorg.conf
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~/Documents/sauce/coremoid$ dput revu coremoid_0.3.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes -f
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de
[00:48]  * awen- is going to bed now
[00:49] <awen-> happy hacking everyone ... still some hours until the freeze in your timezone ;)
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> Oh, I put the -f flag in the wrong place
[00:49] <Riddell> sleep well awen- , thanks for that
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> all is well
[00:50] <awen-> thanks Riddell
[00:50] <awen-> see you all tomorrow
[00:55] <Riddell> groovy works
[00:55] <Riddell> ScottK: uploading guidance
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> ARgh, I was writing to my backup of /debian...
[01:00]  * JontheEchidna slaps self
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> http://pastebin.com/m5390d3ed <-Why is it writing files to build's parent directory?
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> brb
[01:07] <ScottK> Riddell: Great.
[01:08] <ScottK> Riddell: That's the last item on my Kubuntu list for Hardy.
[01:08] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you need to rm CMakeCache.txt (and the other files that cmake made too preferably, zgrep \+\+\+ coremoid_0.3.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz | grep -v debian)
[01:08] <Riddell> ScottK: awooga!
[01:09] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm pretty sure kde3 for Hardy is in good shape now.
[01:10]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:10] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you don't need "[ ! -f Makefile ] || "
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> yay!
[01:11] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: your Description: field in debian/control is wrong, it should be a short 1 line description then a long description below it (indented by two spaces and with blank lines using .)
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Liek this? http://pastebin.com/m1efd06ed
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Well if all went well the latest source.changes, etc should be uploaded to revu. If we don't meet again tonight you could always leave comment there, I suppose
[01:54] <blueyed> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/m243d8099 - but I'm no native speaker.
[01:57] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[02:35] <yuriy> hmm can't seem to connect to secure wireless anymore
[02:38] <ScottK> Working here.
[02:52] <yuriy> hmm connecting manually ("connect to other wireless network") seems to work
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> Well, I'm out for the night.
[03:56] <Czessi> morning
[04:40] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyhighplato/2401561069/sizes/l/in/pool-716391@N21/
[04:41] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyhighplato/2402389482/sizes/l/in/pool-716391@N21/
[04:41] <nixternal> decent little crowd getting some KDE lovin' by me :)
[04:41] <Jucato> pajamas? :)
[04:42] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyhighplato/2401560983/sizes/l/in/pool-716391@N21/
[04:42] <nixternal> man, the camera does add 50 pounds :)
[04:42] <Jucato> hahahaha
[04:42] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyhighplato/2401561001/sizes/l/in/pool-716391@N21/
[04:43] <nixternal> I got a whole nother chin growing in there :p
[04:43] <Jucato> lol
[04:43] <nixternal> Jucato: see the picture of me in that picture? see the shirt :p
[04:44] <Jucato> hahah :)
[04:44] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfroebe/2390425077/sizes/l/in/pool-716391@N21/
[04:44] <nixternal> eddie looks like a monkey in that pic :)
[04:44] <Czessi> oh, some stickers on the notebook ;)
[04:44] <Jucato> roflmao
[04:45] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyhighplato/2402389152/in/pool-flourish08
[04:45] <Jucato> nixternal: only in that pic? )
[04:45] <Jucato> :)
[04:45] <nixternal> the little kid in that picture, we had him handing out Ubuntu CDs :)
[04:45] <nixternal> Czessi: just a little
[04:45] <Jucato> aw how cute :)
[04:45] <nixternal> that is only the top 1/4 of the lappy
[04:46]  * Jucato can imagine aseigo's p. handing out KDE stuff at conferences :)
[04:46] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyhighplato/2402388700/in/pool-flourish08
[04:46]  * nixternal dancing in front of the foresight booth trying to run people off
[04:47] <nixternal> my lord, translation extraction still running
[04:48] <Jucato> yes, nixternal?
[04:49] <nixternal> haha
[04:49] <nixternal> should have seen that one coming
[04:49] <Jucato> :D
[04:49] <nixternal> we have more translations that I originally thought..some of have just been updated
[04:49] <Czessi> how long will it take to get the @kubuntu.org address? i become my kubuntu member on the 19th of march and no email forwarding as yet :(
[04:50] <Jucato> wonder when we're going to get a full Esperanto Kubuntu, or a Latin one
[04:50] <nixternal> Czessi: you need to hit up one of the canonical sysadmins
[04:50] <Jucato> Czessi: you added yourself to the ubuntu members team in LP?
[04:50] <Czessi> nixternal: ok, i'll ask them
[04:51] <Jucato> er.. kubuntu members I mean (which automatically adds you to the ubuntu members)
[04:52] <Czessi> Jucato: no, only added me to kubuntu members bit threre is an indirect membership for ubuntu-members https://edge.launchpad.net/~czessi
[04:52] <Jucato> yeah, what I meant :)
[04:52] <Czessi> nixternal: the sticker notebook is yours?
[04:52] <nixternal> ya
[04:53] <Jucato> btw, if you're email forwards to a gmail account, don't send yourself and email to test it
[04:53] <nixternal> 24 stickers in total
[04:53] <nixternal> but those will get removed eventually...I am going to mod my lappy with a new paint job, and a new custom airbrushed plate in the back with mass KDE love :)
[04:53] <nixternal> at least that is my plans
[04:54] <nixternal> if I go through with it has yet to be seen
[09:17] <jpatrick> hola r0uzic
[09:18] <jpatrick> poor smarter :(
[09:18] <r0uzic> Hi jpatrick
[09:19] <jpatrick> Czessi: @kubuntu.org address are usually made after two days, see https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/71
[09:24] <Riddell> jpatrick: what about smarter?
[09:24] <smarter> hmm?
[09:24] <jpatrick> Riddell: his remote hates him
[09:24] <smarter> what?
[11:10] <Riddell> seele: what do you think of the partition buttons here?  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/partition-buttons.png  in german they don't fit on 800 pixels so they've been put on two lines
[11:33] <jussio1> Riddell: what were you after the other day?
[11:37] <Sime> Riddell: I've found the cause of the "menu text dissappearing in Oxygen" PyKDE problem.... and my head hurts.
[11:39] <Riddell> Sime: you're a genius!
[11:39] <Riddell> what was it?
[11:44] <Riddell> dynamic_cast acts differently between linked and dlopened libraries?  c++ is so evil
[11:46] <Sime> WORLD OF PAIN!
[11:47] <Sime> stooopid linking
[11:47] <Sime> it would be nice if C++ worked as advertised.
[11:47] <Sime> But you have to know about everything under covers.
[12:11] <smarter> w00t, kwin composite now works without drawing black lines around windows on ATi cards
[12:12] <smarter> finally, I can use transparency in Yakuake
[12:13] <JontheEchidna> Morning.
[12:14] <JontheEchidna> The dot's planet-kde updater is broken. D:
[12:14] <JontheEchidna> I've missed days worth of blogs
[12:15] <smarter> I think I'll never switch back to KDE 3.5 now :)
[12:15]  * smarter does the Qt4 Dance :P
[12:16] <JontheEchidna> I'd probably build 4.1 myself except that I don't have the raw CPU power to do that with any regularity or speed
[12:21] <smarter> with my Pentium M 1,73 GHz, the first built of qt-copy took 1h20, kdelibs took 1h and kdebase 30 minutes
[12:23] <JontheEchidna> Celeron (dun dun dun....) 2.5 GHZ
[12:24] <JontheEchidna> Fresh Wine takes 2 1.2 hours
[12:24] <JontheEchidna> 1/2
[12:24] <JontheEchidna> ccache helps
[12:26] <seele> Riddell: what does the german button say?
[12:26]  * seele yawns
[12:29] <Riddell> seele: "Undo partition changes"
[12:33] <Riddell> seele: I suppose what's needed is a flow layout for the buttons, but there's no stock way to do that
[12:35] <Riddell> previously they weren't translatable so they could fit on one line
[12:48] <seele> Riddell: will the other buttons eventualy be translated?  because they might not all fit if they are
[12:48] <seele> oh, the one is
[12:48] <Riddell> seele: yes they will be
[12:49] <Riddell> and if they're equally long that is an issue
[12:49] <seele> hmm
[12:50] <seele> it is ok how it is for now, i just hope the other buttons fit once theyre translated
[12:52] <seele> even if we shortened the button to just "Undo changes", all the buttons probably wont fit once they are translated
[12:53] <seele> is it a ubiquity hug day?  i noticed a lot of ubiquity bugs got fixed
[12:56] <Riddell> it's a seele hug day :)
[13:01] <Riddell> seele: have you seen the new partition size widget on the gtk frontend? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/partition2.png  think it's better than a slidebar?
[13:01] <seele> hmm
[13:02] <seele> i dont know if users would notice the affordance, but it could be fixed
[13:02] <seele> it needs a bounding box around the entire widget
[13:02] <seele> maybe the widget color changed too, otherwise it looks like it is part of the window and not of an interactive widget
[13:03] <seele> although.. that workflow is kindof strange.  for option 1 you configure it right there and i assume Next takes you to the user info page?
[13:03] <Riddell> seele: yes
[13:03] <seele> guided doesnt require any other input, but manual takes you to the other partition screen
[13:03] <seele> well.. i guess maybe its not that bad
[13:04] <seele> its just weird that you have the interactive widget there but cant do anything else for the other options
[13:05] <seele> although it would be interesting to see how that effects the perception of the manual option.  if you can configure guided there, but not manual, does that mean you configure anything for manual?
[13:05]  * seele still doesnt like the label guided, but apparently no one else agreed
[13:05]  * Serega waves
[13:05] <Riddell> it's not my favourite label
[13:05] <Riddell> to Serega
[13:06] <Serega> Riddell: ok, I'll use another greeting :)
[13:06] <Serega> Riddell: what is the latest deadline for GDEbi?
[13:06] <Riddell> err, ignore me Serega, typo
[13:06] <Riddell> Serega: today :)
[13:06] <seele> lol
[13:07] <Serega> ah... darn...
[13:07] <Serega> Riddell: today's day or night? :)
[13:08] <Riddell> Serega: european night
[13:08] <Riddell> Serega: we can probably sneak it in if you need a bit longer
[13:09] <Serega> Riddell: thanks, it would be great. I'll try do get it in time anyway, but thanks.
[13:27] <klerfayt> I never understood one thing about kubuntu - why isn't "show recently used applications" enabled by default in kmenu? (kde3.5)
[13:30] <Riddell> to keep the kmenu simple and uncluttered
[13:34] <seele> Riddell: http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5785/partition3cq0.png
[13:35] <seele> Riddell: that is what the widget should look like, i assume the handle highlights when the mouse is over? (if not it should..)
[13:35] <seele> Riddell: dunno if you want to pass that on or if you want me to put it in a bug
[13:36] <Riddell> seele: I can pass it on, and also implement it on the KDE side
[13:39] <seele> awesome
[14:35] <Riddell> seele: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/partition3.png
[14:38] <seele> Riddell: cool.  the border really helps.  although the grabby thing doesnt stand out as much as in the Gnome version, i dunno if it's such a problem that people wouldn't figure it out
[14:38] <seele> i might be concerned for windows users, because i dont think those types of widgets are used often in windows so they might not recognize it
[14:45] <Riddell> seele: bug 215131
[14:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215131 in ubiquity "resize widget changes for clarity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215131
[14:47] <seele> Riddell: does Gnome use binary or decimal units?
[14:47] <Riddell> seele: how do you mean?
[14:48] <seele> KiB vs. KB
[14:48] <seele> i think KDE4 uses KiB now, doesn't it?  do you think the installer should reflect that?
[14:48] <seele> (for the KDE4 remix)
[14:49] <seele> dunno.. seems stupid to have two versions of ubiquity i guess
[14:49] <seele> nevermind
[14:49] <Riddell> seele: partman (used by ubiquity) uses 1MB=1,000,000bytes
[14:49] <seele> but +1 on the bug entry
[14:49] <seele> ok
[14:50] <Riddell> which is an SI MB, but not what most people think is a MB (an SI MiB)
[14:57] <Tm_T> Jucato <3
[14:57] <Jucato> hi Tm_T sir
[15:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you please apply http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/gdebi/gdebi-0.3.7.patch and upload? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/gdebi/ubuntu
[15:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: groovy
[16:13] <nixternal> Riddell: building kubuntu-docs now...will do some testing and then upload the package for you to upload :)
[16:15] <Riddell> thanks nixternal
[16:15] <Czessi> morning
[16:16] <nixternal> mornin' it is
[16:16] <nixternal> Czessi: where are you at that it is morning?
[16:16] <Czessi> nixternal: this morning I'm coming from work an now I'm coming from bed ;)
[16:17] <Czessi> nixternal: I'm in germany
[16:17] <nixternal> ahh
[16:18] <nixternal> oh wow, the IBM Hydro-Cluster Supercomputer is bad arse
[16:19] <nixternal> cool water goes to the CPU, warm/hot water leaves the CPU...and IBM plans to utilize the warm/hot water for heating and what not..pretty cool
[16:22] <Czessi> I think it's better to name the package coremoid-kde4. so it's listed when someone use the -kde4 tag by filtering in adept. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=coremoid
[16:26] <apachelogger> Czessi: doesn't really matter
[16:26] <apachelogger> there are far too many results for a kde4 filter
[16:26] <apachelogger> so if someone is looking for a plasmoid they hopefully search for plasmoid or plasma ;-)
[16:29] <Czessi> apachelogger: ok, i build booth versions but JontheEchidna was faster to upload the package ;)
[16:30] <apachelogger> uhhh, contributor racing
[16:31] <apachelogger> that sounds like fun :D
[16:32] <Czessi> no, he has uploaded first and so he did it
[16:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks for the upload :)
[16:34] <apachelogger> Czessi: well, like I said: a race
[16:35] <apachelogger> however uploads first gets all ze karma :D
[16:35] <nixternal> there is no upload Karma :)
[16:36] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:36]  * apachelogger is wondering whether nixternal trusts lp karma
[16:36] <nixternal> there should be though
[16:36] <nixternal> I haven't looked at LP karma in who knows how long
[16:36] <apachelogger> same here
[16:36] <nixternal> last I looked, I had translation karma, and haven't translated a damn thing :)
[16:36] <apachelogger> lol
[16:37]  * apachelogger had more karma from answering questions than from fixing bug
[16:37] <nixternal> I used to answer questions years back, but haven't since then
[16:38] <nixternal> I have to take the dogs to the beauty salon..it is so funny, the people are more afraid of the 10 pound Yorki than they are of a 100 pound pit bull
[16:39] <nixternal> awesome, we are going to have severe thunderstorms tonight and snow tomorrow
[16:41] <apachelogger> meh
[16:49] <seezer> Riddell: are there any plans for a kdepim (4:3.5.9-ubuntu3) yet? would be nice to get the fix for http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155223 in
[16:49] <ubotu> KDE bug 155223 in IMAP "sieve script is truncated" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[16:49] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[16:50] <eagles0513875> i would like to take the time to introduce myself if anyone is interested
[16:51] <Riddell> seezer: there's no plans but if there's a fix we can upload
[16:51] <Riddell> hi eagles0513875
[16:51] <Riddell> ah good, another jonathan
[16:51] <eagles0513875> hey Riddell
[16:51] <seezer> Riddell: hmkay ;)
[16:51] <eagles0513875> fyi guys i am joining the dev team. i admit i dont have much programming practice except java know how but im planning on teaching myself c++ and python sometime as well as how to write kernels
[16:52] <eagles0513875> im studying for a bsc in computing and informationsystems and im currently based in europe for school but am originally from the usa
[16:52] <smarter> write kernels?
[16:52] <eagles0513875> ya
[16:52] <eagles0513875> if u want the link i can link it for ya
[16:52] <eagles0513875> kernels from scratch ll
[16:52] <eagles0513875> if u guys have ay questions for me im glad to be a part of the team
[16:52] <smarter> contributing to an existing kernel is a better idea IMHO (:
[16:53] <eagles0513875> smarter: thing is im planning on creating my own clustering distro based on kubuntu but once i learn that i can also improve whats already aroun
[16:53] <eagles0513875> Riddell: what do i have to do to get a possible pkgs submitted for repos
[16:54] <smarter> too late to hardy, too early for hardy+1
[16:54] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:54] <Riddell> eagles0513875: package it, upload to revu, ask for reviews then ask someone to upload once it's good
[16:54] <smarter> but you can upload them to http://revu.ubuntuwire.com where they will be reviewed and uploaded by MOTU
[16:54] <Riddell> as smarter says we're closed for all but important bug fixes for the next couple of weeks
[16:55] <Riddell> iso testers will be needed!
[16:55] <eagles0513875> cuz i found another windows emulator called crossover i found the source for it im goign to try it out and possibly submit its funny they took wine technology and made it a million times better from the sounds of things
[16:55] <eagles0513875> finally got this old machine back so im more then willing to test out stuf
[16:55] <eagles0513875> my old laptop is my kubuntu r&d box
[16:56] <eagles0513875> j/w what is adept programmed in
[16:56] <apachelogger> c++
[16:56] <eagles0513875> woudl u guys accept pkged open source books
[16:57] <eagles0513875> im no help there yet
[16:57] <eagles0513875> cuz i have a good one for kernels and another one for python
[16:58] <seezer> eagles0513875: isn't crossover office a comercial application?
[16:58] <smarter> it is
[16:58] <eagles0513875> they have source code up for free
[16:58] <eagles0513875> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/source/
[16:59] <seezer> thats the wine base they built upon
[16:59] <eagles0513875> im sure its still better then wine is it not
[16:59] <apachelogger> nope
[16:59] <apachelogger> actually
[16:59] <smarter> it is wine
[16:59] <apachelogger> worse
[16:59] <eagles0513875> really
[16:59] <apachelogger> because they rely on a wine snapshot
[16:59] <eagles0513875> damn so im better off getting wine
[16:59] <apachelogger> so the sources you find at their website is just a compilation of the floss they use
[17:00] <seezer> eagles0513875: actually some wine guys are making their living through codeweavers iirc
[17:00] <eagles0513875> O_o
[17:00] <smarter> and codeweavers contribute back to wine too
[17:00] <eagles0513875> ahhh gotcha
[17:00] <apachelogger> well, codeweavers is the light, compared to transgaming which is the darkness
[17:01] <seezer> hehe
[17:01] <seezer> apachelogger: so true ;)
[17:01] <eagles0513875> so maybe i can play wow on this laptop but i think my video card is to crappy
[17:01] <eagles0513875> i was hoping to try it on my new laptop but i cant even get kubuntu installed
[17:02] <eagles0513875> anyone know of any java projects/pkgs people want for kubuntu for kubuntu
[17:03] <smarter> KDE/Kubuntu devs use C++/Python usually
[17:03] <apachelogger> nixternal: what to do with bug #191836 and bug #190743
[17:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191836 in kde4libs "KDE4 application taskbar entry disappears when I drag an app across desktop border" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191836
[17:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190743 in kde4libs "KDE4 desktop grid shows taskbar from current desktop in all desktops." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190743
[17:04] <apachelogger> both are wontfix for upstream
[17:04] <eagles0513875> speaking of i wanna try compiz lol
[17:04] <apachelogger> apparentely magic is involved ;-)
[17:04] <apachelogger> smarter: I use ruby :P
[17:05] <eagles0513875> right now im only java im hoping this summer while working to get c++ in my head
[17:05] <smarter> apachelogger: you have taste :)
[17:05] <apachelogger> well, I am an apachelogger after all :D
[17:05] <eagles0513875> does kubuntu integrate nicely into multicore environment or would it have to be rewritten
[17:05] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: apparently the difference from java to c++ isn't all that big
[17:06] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i knowi was looking at my c++ book the other day and its vry similar and knowing java now will make it a ton easier
[17:06] <eagles0513875> im goign to build my self an insane quad core machine with the new 45nm intel proc
[17:07] <eagles0513875> what does it mean when amaroks says no sutiable demux plugin
[17:08] <smarter> Linux can make use of lots of core, no need to rewrite anything (:
[17:08] <eagles0513875> :)
[17:08] <eagles0513875> sweet
[17:08] <eagles0513875> i cant wait till i get that puppy built
[17:08] <eagles0513875> that would make a crazy server as well 12mb of cache
[17:10] <eagles0513875> kubuntu has made my life so much easier since gutsy
[17:11] <eagles0513875> im really promoting kubuntu ovr here. im actually going to put together a presentation and go talk to some of the big companies that sell computers here and provide them with support for linux machines
[17:11] <Riddell> grr; ubiauity ,qde ,e chose q french keyboqrd qnd then is crqshed qnd Iù, stuck zith it
[17:12] <eagles0513875> ?
[17:12] <Nightrose> hehe I think riddell is stuck with a french keyboard layout
[17:12] <smarter> Riddell: azertyuiop qsdfghjklm wxcvbn
[17:12] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:12] <smarter> now map this into your head (:
[17:12] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:12] <eagles0513875> u guys need any pkgs tested
[17:13] <Riddell> phew, fixed
[17:13] <eagles0513875> lol Riddell the mp3 codec is lame right
[17:13] <Riddell> eagles0513875: we need the whole distro tested, if you're able to download CD images
[17:13] <eagles0513875> im testing hardy beta x64
[17:13] <eagles0513875> and i think i just found a bug with lame pkg and amarok
[17:14] <Riddell> amarok doesn't use lame, it'll use libmad for decoding
[17:14] <apachelogger> Nightrose: interessting language though ;-)
[17:14] <eagles0513875> im trying to listen to mp3 streams
[17:14]  * apachelogger is running out of fixable bugs
[17:14] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ;-) sure
[17:14] <Nightrose> apachelogger: have a look at my buglist in launchpad then :P
[17:15] <apachelogger> nah, you has the most boring bugs :P
[17:15] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:15] <eagles0513875> night anything i can help u with even though i have vry limited programming knowledge
[17:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: when is the new amarok tar expected?
[17:16] <eagles0513875> brb guys if its out ill test
[17:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: soonish, aumuell uploaded a fix for the ipod integration which still needs testing
[17:17] <eagles0513875> cant help withthat have no ipod
[17:17] <eagles0513875> lets say i want to stream audio what pkgs r there that do that
[17:18] <Riddell> user question that, #kubuntu
[17:18] <eagles0513875> ok sry
[17:19] <eagles0513875> brb going to login and try out compiz
[17:19] <Riddell> keen chap :)
[17:19] <Nightrose> ;-) indeed
[17:19] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I haz ze most boring bugs? :(
[17:19] <Nightrose> *sob*
[17:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: yes, but ze best hugs
[17:20] <apachelogger> *hug*
[17:20]  * apachelogger hugs the whole channel
[17:20] <Nightrose> :) ok that makes the sob go away *hug*
[17:20]  * Tm_T hugs apachelogger and Nightrose, its own grandgrandkids
[17:21] <Nightrose> hehe Tm_T
[17:21] <Tm_T> or was it grandgrandgrand? anyway
[17:21] <Nightrose> I thought it wasn't grand at all but ok ;-)
[17:21] <apachelogger> meh
[17:22] <apachelogger> mom is drunken again -.-
[17:22] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I am your son
[17:22] <apachelogger> which makes Nightrose your soon-to-be-daughter-in-law
[17:22] <apachelogger> Tm_T: clear enough?
[17:22] <Tm_T> apachelogger: "son" but infact grandgrandson
[17:22] <Tm_T> because I'm that old
[17:22] <apachelogger> that sounds super strange, really
[17:22] <apachelogger> Tm_T: yeah, I totally agree
[17:22] <Tm_T> well its easier to just call son and mom
[17:24] <eagles0513875> think i just found another bug
[17:24] <Nightrose> nah there are no bugs in kubuntu
[17:25] <Nightrose> oh you tested compiz...
[17:25] <eagles0513875> trying to doesnt seem to be working
[17:25] <Nightrose> then maybe ;-)
[17:25] <eagles0513875> after i installed it i logged out i remember with beryl u have to login to an fglrx desktop
[17:25] <eagles0513875> well when i logged out before it didnt even load the login screen
[17:25] <eagles0513875> but now it seems to be working
[17:26] <smarter> We have a nice compiz setup tool in Kubuntu: desktop-effects-kde
[17:27] <eagles0513875> thats what im looking for lol so there is no need for emerald
[17:30] <Riddell> seezer: have you tested the patch in http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155223 ?
[17:30] <ubotu> KDE bug 155223 in IMAP "sieve script is truncated" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[17:33] <seezer> Riddell: no i haven't sorry. just found http://lists.kde.org/?l=kdepim-users&m=120483836900484&w=2 and the fixed bug report while searching for the cause of my kmail problems
[17:34] <eagles0513875> would u guys like me to test out the next version of amarok
[17:35] <smarter> go ahead, it's in the repo
[17:36] <eagles0513875> :) if i cant fix bugs i can at least test
[17:37] <eagles0513875> my compiz isnt working right
[17:44] <kishore_> I have a question with regard to hal and usb storage mount points
[17:45] <kishore_> my external drive that used to mount at /media/ext_drive now mounts at /media/ext_drive-1 since about 2 hrs ago
[17:45] <kishore_> this even after a restart
[17:46] <kishore_> i need to reset this behaviour
[17:46] <eagles0513875> kishore_: i could be wrong but u might be in the wrong channel
[17:46] <Nightrose> kishore_: known issue
[17:47] <Nightrose> there is at least one bugreport on launchpad about this
[17:48] <Nightrose> kishore_: you can get around this by unmounting the drive before logging out
[17:48] <kishore_> eagles0513875: i tried at #hal but got no response
[17:48] <eagles0513875> gotcha my apologies kishore_ im new to all this
[17:49] <eagles0513875> gotcha my apologies kishore_ im new to all this
[17:49] <kishore_> Nightrose: thanks for your response
[17:49] <nixternal> Riddell: uploading the docs to a spot you can download them too...not including a debdiff as it is over 80MB
[17:49] <Nightrose> kishore_: you're welcome
[17:50] <nixternal> Riddell: .dsc and the tar.gz file - much smaller this way
[17:50] <kishore_> Nightrose: as suggested by someone on #kubuntu i had to delete a dangling /media/ext_drive folder manually
[17:50] <kishore_> thanks all
[17:50] <Nightrose> oh yea forgot to mention that :)
[17:51] <eagles0513875> night where do i get amarok 2 im not seeing it in repos
[17:51] <Nightrose> it is not yet released
[17:51] <Nightrose> and if you want to highlight me you will need to use my whole nick :)
[17:52] <Nightrose> if you want to get amarok 2 you will need to compile it yourself for now including kde libraries from kde trunk
[17:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: highlight
[17:52] <Nightrose> apachelogger: :P selber
[17:52] <apachelogger> and don't forget about qt-copy from trunk
[17:52] <apachelogger> and kdebase-runtime from trunk
[17:52] <Nightrose> yea that too
[17:52] <Nightrose> and and and ;-)
[17:52] <apachelogger> hmmmmm
[17:52] <nixternal> or Riddell's Qt 4.4 RC package
[17:53] <apachelogger> khtmlimage is making me cry
[17:53] <apachelogger> Nightrose: hold me
[17:53] <apachelogger> ah, it was the music
[17:53]  * Nightrose holds apachelogger 
[17:53] <Nightrose> better?
[17:53] <apachelogger> stupid trance
[17:53] <Nightrose> hehe
[17:53] <apachelogger> Nightrose: yeah, much *cuddle*
[17:54] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:54]  * Nightrose should get something to eat - feeling all dizzy after a day in the computer lab
[17:54] <eagles0513875> makes me not feel like such a looser sitting in front of comp all day
[17:55] <eagles0513875> whats necessary to make mods to dependencies of a pkg cuz compiz is missing the ccsm configuration panel by default
[17:56] <apachelogger> ccsm is evil, that is the reason we created a cut down, user friendly version
[17:56] <eagles0513875> what other way can u enable the cube effect
[17:57] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[17:57] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/docs/kubuntu-docs_8.04-3.dsc
[17:57] <eagles0513875> seems like it keeps crashing on me
[17:58] <apachelogger> hm
[17:58] <apachelogger> oh mon dieu!
[17:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you have a konqueror-kde4 at hand?
[17:59] <Nightrose> nope no kde 4 in the lab here
[17:59] <Nightrose> I could start my laptop but that would take some time
[17:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, not that important
[17:59] <eagles0513875> anything i can help with
[17:59] <Nightrose> ok
[17:59] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: anything i can help u get ur hands on
[17:59] <Riddell> nixternal: groovy
[17:59] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: do you have a konqueror-kde4 installed?
[18:00] <eagles0513875> not yet
[18:02]  * apachelogger goes hacking
[18:02] <eagles0513875> that sounds like fun
[18:03] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: not at all, the issue is in kdelibs... i.e. a waste of time due to compiling
[18:03] <eagles0513875> if u want to send it my way ill compile for ya
[18:03] <eagles0513875> that way u can get onto something else
[18:06] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: I have 3 machines here, so I don't get stuck, but it is annoying if I have to digg into the code again in case my fix wasn't all that glorious :S
[18:06] <eagles0513875> if u want me to test it out im more then willing
[18:07] <eagles0513875> ill stop downloading the updated pkgs and start downloading kde4
[18:07] <apachelogger> kde4 packages, mhhhh :D
[18:13] <eagles0513875> are there any bugs in regards to vmware server
[18:14] <Nightrose> eagles0513875: please use the launchpad bug search
[18:15] <Nightrose> I am sure there are but we cannot honestly know them all ;-)
[18:15] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:15] <eagles0513875> dont expect u to know them all
[18:15] <apachelogger> ...just some :P
[18:15] <eagles0513875> cuz i would like to run a vista vm on here lol
[18:19] <eagles0513875> im out for now guys off to dinner
[18:19] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: ill get started downloading kde4 when i return
[18:21] <Riddell> nixternal: "Waiting for approval: kubuntu-docs 8.04-3" just missed it!
[18:22] <nixternal> should be an easy approval though
[18:22] <nixternal> it is just documentation :)
[18:39] <paran> blueyed: thanks for sponsoring #212973 :)
[18:42] <blueyed> paran: thanks for fixing it :)
[18:53] <Nightrose> ok folks they are kicking me out of the lab soon - hope I have net access at home tomorrow again - laters :)
[18:54] <Riddell> bye nixternal
[18:54] <Riddell> bye Nightrose too
[18:59] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: hope something like this fits our needs: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1205436_wrpvo/KGRUBEditor21.png
[19:05] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: looks lovely
[19:10] <nixternal> bye?
[19:10] <nixternal> I am still here...had to go pick up my doggies
[19:14] <Riddell> just a tab error
[19:16] <nixternal> hehe
[19:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug #208724
[19:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208724 in kdebase-workspace "Colored oxygen window decoration" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208724
[19:21] <apachelogger> a wontfix IMO
[19:22] <apachelogger> nixternal: btw, what about the bugs I pasted earlier :P
[19:24] <apachelogger> woah, my X needs a restart
[19:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status have a look at the description of triaged ;-) .... please only use triaged for bugs which provide enough information, like a bugfix in upstream, a patch, or tons of backtraces etc.
[19:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: agreed
[20:03] <apachelogger> oh, now I got a wicked minded idea
[20:03]  * apachelogger download kde4libs
[20:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug #214645 ... how about replacing/conflicting the old kde4base packages in kdelibs?
[20:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214645 in kdebase-workspace "package kdebase-runtime-data None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdebase-runtime-data.list] failed to install/upgrade: " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214645
[20:06] <apachelogger> one can't install kde4 apps without kdelibs5, so we can resolve the issue on the most common layer of all kdebase-* packages
[21:10] <eagles0513875> im back
[21:32] <eagles0513875> anyone alive in here
[21:37] <nixternal> http://flickr.com/photos/specialkevin/2394629553/
[21:37] <nixternal> hahahahahahahaha
[21:38] <eagles0513875> O_o
[21:38] <nixternal> I had a bug on my shirt
[21:39] <eagles0513875> lol
[21:39] <eagles0513875> what u working on
[21:40] <nixternal> working on getting my lazy arse up and taking a shower and heading to the university for some hackage
[21:41] <eagles0513875> hacking what
[21:41] <apachelogger> nixternal: in this case my laptop is a gigantic bug
[21:41] <nixternal> don't know yet
[21:42] <nixternal> apachelogger: I could have told you that
[21:42]  * apachelogger is afraid :(
[21:42] <nixternal> dude, I have had like 15 people msg me and ask if I was using Gnome now because of that picture
[21:42] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: lol
[21:42] <eagles0513875> if u need me to test any fixes let me know
[21:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: please sneak 1.4.9.1 in hardy ;-)
[21:43] <eagles0513875> O_o can u fill me in apachelogger
[21:43] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: in what?
[21:44] <eagles0513875> what u want sneaked in
[21:45] <apachelogger> oh, that is so top secret, I don't even know what it is about :P
[21:45] <apachelogger> if Nightrose was here, she probably would know
[21:45] <etretyak> apachelogger: amarok ;-)
[21:45] <apachelogger> oh mon dieu!
[21:45] <apachelogger> etretyak: you have to encrypt it
[21:45] <apachelogger> like korama or something
[21:46] <nixternal> Riddell: if you have any old Kubuntu slides, link me..I plan on giving a Kubuntu, a KDE 4, and some other talks at Penguicon next weekend..and I am kicking wolfger out of his house and taking over :p
[21:46] <eagles0513875> i wanna try amarok 2
[21:46] <eagles0513875> im installing kde4 to help out with testing
[21:46] <apachelogger> nixternal: wanna give a talk about amarok? :P
[21:47] <etretyak> apachelogger: a M /| r 0 |<
[21:47] <nixternal> iTunes maybe :p
[21:47] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: fair enough
[21:47] <apachelogger> nixternal: I thought about doing one for banshee
[21:47] <apachelogger> but then I signed up for a kdemm talk at linuxtag in berlin -.-
[21:47] <apachelogger> etretyak: fair enough even
[21:47] <nixternal> apachelogger: hahaha, that would be classic
[21:47] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: since i cant do any programming and bug fixing yet
[21:48] <nixternal> I got the banshee presentation last Saturday
[21:48] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: that saied, there is something else topic secret I know everything about, technically, just no information of any use
[21:48] <nixternal> and it kept crashing...which I then yelled "GO GATES GO!"
[21:48] <apachelogger> nixternal: really? :S
[21:48] <nixternal> yup
[21:48]  * apachelogger has no luck with rhythmbox
[21:48] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: what that microsoft suxs balls
[21:48] <apachelogger> banshee works like a charm for me
[21:48] <nixternal> I liked rythmbox actually..it was quite simple and liked my daapd before Amarok supported it
[21:49] <apachelogger> amarok's daap is b0rked
[21:49] <apachelogger> and eean doesn't exactly care
[21:49] <eagles0513875> i need to program a decent gui based streaming media server
[21:49] <apachelogger> it's playing every song twice
[21:49] <apachelogger> quite annoying
[21:49] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you should join radio amarok and hack on icecast ;-)
[21:50] <eagles0513875> lol
[21:50] <eagles0513875> icecast is webbased
[21:50] <eagles0513875> how on earth u access the webbased client
[21:50] <apachelogger> which is pretty much the point of radio amarok :P
[21:51] <apachelogger> well, the client isn't webbased
[21:51] <eagles0513875> for icecast
[21:52] <eagles0513875> what isnt webbased
[21:52]  * apachelogger doesn't get the question and therefore will just start talking
[21:53] <eagles0513875> what client isnt webbased
[21:53] <apachelogger> icecast is a 3 part streaming solution
[21:53] <eagles0513875> what isnt 3rd party i would like a gui 1 if one exists
[21:54] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: client as in: the thing that receives the data?
[21:54] <apachelogger> or the transmitting client?
[21:54] <apachelogger> which brings me back to the 3 part streaming solution :P
[21:54] <eagles0513875> transmitting
[21:54] <eagles0513875> mp3s
[21:54] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: idjc
[21:55] <apachelogger> for example
[21:55] <eagles0513875> thanks
[21:55] <apachelogger> but I think you're looking for something completely different actually
[21:55] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: more like a media server thingy for a network, right?
[21:55] <eagles0513875> no
[21:55] <apachelogger> ok, so I am just stupid today
[21:56] <apachelogger> oh, I need to grab some freeze exceptions tomorrow
[21:56]  * apachelogger didn't quite finish his bug fixing session in time
[21:56] <eagles0513875> i have a site on a fully linuxed based hosting and they have a radio stream and im trying to convert the guy to linux instead of xp
[21:57] <eagles0513875> have the bugs with flac been fixed
[21:57] <apachelogger> I think so
[21:57] <apachelogger>  we are using idjc at radio amarok, there are probably more professional tools but idjc is a just-works-software
[21:57]  * apachelogger grabs some tea
[22:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping, if we don't hear back by Saturday, could you use your super powers to find out the status of the website please? (I can't look at it on the RT, since I asked to leave it in the private queue)
[22:02] <eagles0513875> have any of u guys had any issues getting the java jre installed for firefox3
[22:02] <eagles0513875> ryanakca: if u dont mind me asking what website
[22:07] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: also topsecret apparently ;-)
[22:07] <eagles0513875> ?
[22:08] <eagles0513875> do u guys want me to pkg this linux kernel in a nutshell book
[22:09] <jtate> what's kubuntu's plan with pulseaudio and network manager?
[22:09] <jtate> How are you planning on getting the daemon started, and injecting the X module?
[22:09] <jtate> (for pulse)
[22:09] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: I don't think packages are the perfect way to distribute open books
[22:10] <apachelogger> okular is probably getting a functionallity for this
[22:10] <apachelogger> sometime in the feature
[22:10] <apachelogger> which seems a lot more useful to me
[22:10] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: they do that in open suse
[22:10] <apachelogger> jtate: we don't have a plan afaik
[22:10] <eagles0513875> i dunno how it sworks but it seems llike thats how they do it cuz its in the repos
[22:11] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: well, I imagine they have some gui thingy
[22:11] <apachelogger> because with packages only you can only address a very ... very small audience
[22:11] <wolfger> nixternal: good deal!
[22:11] <wolfger> make me love KDE4
[22:11] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: this book is in pdf format
[22:11] <wolfger> because right now I really don't
[22:11] <jtate> wolfger: did you backport that patch on the klipper crash to kde4.0?
[22:11] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: not packagable at all then
[22:12] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: we need to comply with the debian free guideline stuff
[22:12] <eagles0513875> it is free
[22:12] <eagles0513875> ill link u
[22:12] <jtate> wolfger: looks like it applies cleanly
[22:12] <apachelogger> which means without the sources the pdf has been created of there is nothing to be packaged
[22:12] <wolfger> jtate: no. I'm just generally unimpressed with features from KDE3 that are now gone
[22:12]  * jtate will let you know whether it works.
[22:13] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: free != free/libre
[22:13] <jtate> wolfger: not sure I follow you.
[22:13] <eagles0513875> this is libre
[22:13]  * jtate is talking about the klipper bug that you committed a fix for half an hour ago.
[22:13] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: nah, it can't be without the source files
[22:13] <wolfger> jtate: I did???
[22:13] <apachelogger> pdf is a binary format
[22:14] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/lkn.html
[22:14] <wolfger> jtate: I've done no bug work in quite some time
[22:14] <ryanakca> eagles0513875: the Kubuntu website
[22:14] <eagles0513875> im new to all this right now im just testing
[22:14] <jtate> wolfger: err.  mistaken identity: wolfer versus wolfger
[22:14] <wolfger> I thought you thought Klipper was somehow related to my just-stated dislike of KDE4
[22:14] <eagles0513875> ryanakca: if u need someone to help wiht that ill help u guys out
[22:14] <ryanakca> eagles0513875: nope, its done, thanks anyways ;)
[22:15] <jtate> http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=795575
[22:15] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: ok, you could package the docbooks and generate whatever is appropriate format at build time
[22:15] <jtate> nixternal said something about this coming straight from kubuntu, so I jumped to the wrong conclusion apparently.
[22:15] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i also have one for python
[22:16] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: well, again, I don't think packaging the books is all the much useful
[22:16] <apachelogger> I'd create a GUI to download them
[22:16] <apachelogger> from some kind of book repository
[22:17] <apachelogger> which is the planed solution for okular IIRC
[22:17] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: cant u set it to dl the zip to the desktop or extract it to a folder on the desktop
[22:17] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: the package?
[22:17] <eagles0513875> ya
[22:18] <apachelogger> well, technically a lot is possible
[22:18] <apachelogger> but that doesn't make the packaging of books anymore valid ;-)
[22:18] <apachelogger> the ubuntu archives are software repositories
[22:18] <eagles0513875> then what repo could those go in if any
[22:18] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: I would get in touch with the okular developers
[22:19] <eagles0513875> !okular
[22:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about okular - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:19] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: http://okular.kde.org/contact.php
[22:19] <eagles0513875> would it be possible to get a repo for free open source books
[22:20] <apachelogger> ...I saied that 2 times now -.-
[22:20] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: the okular team is thinking about something like that
[22:20] <apachelogger> you can download books from within the reader
[22:20] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[22:21] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[22:28] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i let him know
[22:31] <eagles0513875> if any of u guys need stuff tested out let me know
[22:57] <Riddell> ryanakca: I have no superpowers with rt, I've never been able to log in to it
[22:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: where is 1.4.9.1?
[22:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: bug 214645, I've always said the old kde4foo packages just need to be removed, else we'd spend ages adding conflicts/replaces
[22:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214645 in kdebase-workspace "package kdebase-runtime-data None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdebase-runtime-data.list] failed to install/upgrade: " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214645
[23:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: 1.4.9.1 uploaded
[23:35] <Serega> Riddell: ping
[23:44] <Riddell> hi Serega
[23:45] <dthacker-work> ;quit
[23:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: xine_part.desktop has higher preference than kmplayer_part.desktop, that doesn't seem right
[23:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok, thanks anyways :)