[00:00] <swatTX> dexter: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[00:00] <esox> Sergeant_Pony: and when you are between 7.10 and 8.04, is there ubuntu+0.5 channel ?
[00:00] <swatTX> dexter: type lsb_release -a  - into your terminal to find out
[00:00] <esox> ;-)
[00:01] <swatTX> =p
[00:01] <Sergeant_Pony> esox: lol, nope either 7.10 or 8.04 beta
[00:01] <pewsh> anyone running software raid in 8.04?
[00:01] <esox> Sergeant_Pony: so, you are in deep sh... like me
[00:01] <Sergeant_Pony> lol, alway's am ;)
[00:01] <dexter> i m using 8.04 beta
[00:02] <swatTX> then you are in the correct place
[00:02] <dexter> i m totally new to linux and ubuntu
[00:02] <Sergeant_Pony> dexter then this is the channel u need
[00:02] <T1m0thy> my wifi just goes out sometimes. :\
[00:02] <T1m0thy> have to reconnect.
[00:02] <dexter> thanx
[00:02] <dexter> so help me out plz
[00:02] <swatTX> dexter: prolly not the best idea to start off with a beta version though =p
[00:02] <dexter> ya but i had to start some where
[00:03] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin: what I don't like too is on a reboot I have to type in those last 2 commands before the wifi wakes up...
[00:03] <dexter> i tried red hat a fewdays ago same thing happend then
[00:03] <swatTX> dexter: gutsy still works fine as far as i know
[00:03] <dexter> my moniter screen goes blank when ubuntu loads
[00:04] <dexter> i mean when it boots up
[00:04] <Sergeant_Pony> mine did that as well....
[00:04] <dexter> i think it is screen resolution probblem
[00:04] <devil> does the ubuntu 8.04 has the flash player 9
[00:05] <dexter> most of tthe screen goes blank but a thin vertical line apears in the middle
[00:05] <orudie> so how is 8.04 different from 7.10 ?
[00:05] <dexter> <sargent pony> can u help me?
[00:06] <Sergeant_Pony> dexter: I installed compiz and adjusted the resolution and it worked.
[00:06] <dexter> i m new have never used any other os . but windows.
[00:06] <swatTX> orudie: from what I can tell it's pretty much the same. Some things just worked out of the box for me that hadn't worked in previous versions. still a n00b though so not sure about the bells and whistles
[00:07] <pou> hello, I've installed unbuntu hardy today on a laptop with a 4318 chipset, I've installed b43 driver and I can connect to a wep network but it doesn't work with wpa
[00:07] <dexter> is there any way to setup screen resolution while booting?
[00:08] <pou> I mean both networks appear on network manager but I'm only able to connect to the wep one
[00:08] <dexter> any one plz help me
[00:08] <swatTX> esox: I'm at 314 of 332 (crosses fingers)
[00:08] <pou> excuse me, I forgot : broadcom 4318 wifi chipset
[00:10] <icanhasadmin> dexter: it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:10] <iro> quick question: is the directory .mozilla-thunderbird still in ubuntu 8.04?
[00:10] <dexter> but how to get ther i m new
[00:10] <swatTX> icanhasadmin: love the name, haha
[00:10] <icanhasadmin> dexter: if you're new why are you using a beta distro? and if you're not why don't you ask in #ubuntu instead of #ubuntu+1?
[00:11] <esox> swatTX: I pray for you
[00:11] <pou> thanks :)
[00:11] <Ssam`> anyways text based installer for hardy?
[00:11] <dexter> i have tried but there i was told to go to ubuntu+1
[00:11] <Ssam`> umm dexter state your problem
[00:11] <dexter> i just downloaded it
[00:11] <Ssam`> and?
[00:11] <icanhasadmin> dexter: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf <- i'm not sure 100 percent where but i'm pretty sure it's under "device"
[00:12] <dexter> when ubuntu boots up my moniter goes blank but a thin vertical line appears in the middle same happens in windows if i set my resolution to 1280x1240
[00:13] <Ssam`> dexter:  thats a hardwares fault
[00:13] <swatTX> dexter: and under device I think you want to try "vesa" next to driver? not 100% sure though, ymmv
[00:13] <dexter> but in lower resulotions it works fine
[00:13] <Ssam`> does the screen go back to normal when u smack the monitor arround?
[00:13] <picard_pwns_kirk> brb reboot
[00:13] <dexter> no it doesnt
[00:14] <Ssam`> are you using a cathord ray tube monitor or a liquid crystal display one?
[00:14] <dexter> cathrod ray tube moniter
[00:14] <Ssam`> uh huh
[00:14] <Ssam`> 32 mb agp card?
[00:14] <dexter> its acompaq s700
[00:14] <dexter> no 128 mb vga
[00:15] <[GuS]> Hi people
[00:15] <Ssam`> hrmmm shouldent happen....do u live in humid climate?
[00:15] <dexter> nvidia gefoce mx400 is my vga card AGP
[00:15] <[GuS]> question.. is there a problem with latest kernel on hardy?
[00:15] <dexter> what is humid climate?
[00:15] <[GuS]> cause may things are failing realted to harware
[00:15] <[GuS]> since *-15
[00:15] <todd_> I installed the Hoary beta last night, used the installer to set my keyboard to dvorak but when I installed the 500+ updates, my keyboard settings were lost
[00:15] <Ssam`> near a river bank sea lake?
[00:16] <dexter> no
[00:16] <todd_> is that a bug I should report?  how do I change my keyboard at the terminal so its dvorak again?
[00:16] <Ssam`> may be the capicitors are out
[00:16] <Ssam`> hrmm
[00:16] <Simpl3x> todd_: there should be an icon that looks like a keyboard on top, click that and re-select your keyboard
[00:16] <pou> todd_ : the hoary beta, lol
[00:16] <swatTX> GuS: I read that just as I was updating =X
[00:16] <Simpl3x> it did the same thing to me, switched me to arabic for some reason
[00:16] <dexter> i m in a dry area with nothing like a sea or river closer to me in 30 miles
[00:16] <nemo> can anyone help me downgrade to 2.6.24-5 ?
[00:16] <todd_> Simpl3x: does that change the terminal as well?  I'm not looking for an xorg-only fix
[00:17] <todd_> pou: oops :) Hardy beta, then
[00:17] <[GuS]> swatTX: cause with -14 works perfect my system
[00:17] <[GuS]> only with the -15 release is failing
[00:17] <dexter> it never happend ever before, it only happens when ever i try any linux, 1st time i tried redhat 9 a few days ago same thing happend then
[00:17] <Simpl3x> todd_: then I'm not sure, I only had the problem in X
[00:17] <swatTX> GuS: what's failing exactly?
[00:17] <esox> swatTX: what's happ on your side ?
[00:18] <[GuS]> swatTX: for example, my TV card which is an encore TVFM
[00:18] <[GuS]> and tiill *-14 was working perfecttly
[00:18] <[GuS]> when it loads the driver... kernel bugs....
[00:18] <swatTX> esox: applying the changes now...
[00:18] <todd_> Simpl3x: you're right .. I just checked and the command line is okay .. you're right .. sorry
[00:18] <iro> umm Ssam` i still have no sound after installing the alsa mixer and rebooting ;(
[00:18] <Ssam`> dexter: i am not sure......try keeping the resolution lower all i can suggest
[00:18] <esox> swatTX: I'm progressing also... I hope... !
[00:18] <DanaG> NOTE: dpkg-reconfigure -a is NOT the same as dpkg --configure -a
[00:18] <[GuS]> so i am stick to -14 release...
[00:19] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: lets pretend ;)
[00:19] <DanaG> .... and end up accidentally running dpkg-reconfigure on every package on the system?  Not good.
yes u ri right but how to keep it low? this is what i m trying to do but i dont know how to do it.
[00:19] <Ssam`> Gnome?
[00:20] <iro> Ssam` me?
[00:20] <todd_> now that I can type normally again ... when I first installed the beta, there was a program to adjust my resolution and setup a second monitor ... that program seems to have moved and/or isn't available anymore ... thoughts?
[00:20] <Ssam`> no dexter
[00:20] <iro> kkz
[00:20] <K|> has anyone compared advantages/disadvantages of a self-compiled kernel in ubuntu? bootup-time etc. Wondering if it would get me anywhere
[00:20] <dexter> i dont know much. it is ubuntu 8.04beta.
[00:20] <dexter> and i think it is gnome.
[00:21] <swatTX> esox: i hope so too!
[00:21] <Ssam`> iro: are you sure sound worked fine on gusty?
[00:21] <dexter> Ssam plz tell me any way to setup screen resolution in booting
[00:22] <iro> Ssam` Hell yeah ;P i was watching anime and playing music :P i had 15 GB of music :P it had to
[00:22] <Ssam`> dexter: you cant seem to boot?
[00:22] <iro> dexter: boot up manager
[00:22] <Ssam`> iro: probably a bug
[00:22] <iro> ;(
[00:22] <Simpl3x> todd_: it's now under applications and other
[00:22] <Simpl3x> they moved it for some reason
[00:22] <dexter> Ssam first 2 boot loading screens come up. but after that this happens
[00:22] <iro> can't turn on alsamixer... crashes
[00:22] <Y_Less`> Hi, I have a very odd problem.  I'm running Kubuntu 8.04 beta on an HP Pavilion dv6000.  I've installed a few libraries to get things like wireless support installed and working, as well as quite a few bits for games but for some reason my hard disk seems to periodically just flood itself.  I'll get a message saying that the HD is less than 4% free, but I know there is a aroung 38gb free.  I tracked the data down to a folder in
[00:23] <Y_Less`> home->.strigi.  Deleting it doesn't seem to adversely affect the system but after a while the messages start coming back and just now my entire hard disk was full for no apparent reason.  Does anyone know what's going on?
[00:23] <Ssam`> dexter: are u live cd
[00:23] <dexter> yes
[00:23] <Ssam`> iro:  try reinstalling the sound driver
[00:23] <todd_> Simpl3x: I don't have an 'Other' hanging off Applications
[00:23] <Simpl3x> hmm...odd, one second
[00:23] <todd_> Simpl3x: does it need to be installed separately?
[00:23] <Simpl3x> no, it should be there
[00:23] <dexter> and i have tried Wubi install and standard installation
[00:23] <Simpl3x> did you fully update and reboot?
[00:24] <iro> Ssam` i'm not new to linux using it for about 4 months but how the hell i do that ;P
[00:24] <esox> swatTX: I'm moving, for sure, bur I dont know yet if it is in the right direction
[00:24] <todd_> I am fully updated, but I haven't rebooted since it disappeared, no
[00:24] <hmuller> K|: Not worth the effort IMHO.  Meaning it'll add extra work maintaining your system.
[00:24] <Simpl3x> todd_: try at least restarting X and see if it shows up
[00:24] <dexter> wubi installation was sucessfull but after restart cant boot it.
[00:24] <todd_> brb then
[00:25] <Ssam`> dexter: which release are u using?
[00:25] <Ssam`> iro: hold on
[00:25] <iro> kkz np :P
[00:25] <swatTX> esox: i think i'm headed in the right direction, but I'm worrying about the kernel problems that the new kernel apparently have.
[00:26] <Simpl3x> todd_: anything?
[00:26] <todd_> Simpl3x: still no 'Other' menu, and the dvorak settings only take effect after I've logged in; it's still qwerty at the login prompt
[00:26] <dexter> Ssam, 8.04 beta.
[00:26] <esox> swatTX: what problems have that 2.6.24 ?
[00:26] <Ssam`> hrmmm
[00:26] <swatTX> esox: i
[00:26] <Ssam`> dexter: how fast is your connection?
[00:27] <swatTX> esox: i've just seen a few people say they were having problems with the latest one 2.6.24-15, the -15 being the borked kernel
[00:27] <Simpl3x> todd_: I'm not sure what's going on with the login thing, mine worked fine everywhere except under X until I changed it to the proper keyboard again, you may need to do a full reboot to get the login window to work again, but that's just a guess. As for the other thing, Try going into the menu editor and see if "other" just isn't visible
[00:27] <Simpl3x> I seem to recall having to do that on one of my boxes
[00:27] <dexter> Ssam. it is 115 kbits
[00:28] <esox> swatTX: what is borked ? sorry for my poor english
[00:28] <todd_> Simpl3x: Other does show up in the menu editor, good call
[00:28] <Ssam`> iro:  http://www.tux.org/~tbr/sound-debian/#Setting
[00:28] <Ssam`> dexter: download Gusty
[00:28] <dexter> Ssam.8.04 works fine on my laptop
[00:28] <swatTX> esox: no worries. borked is kinda slang i guess. borked meaning that -15 is the latest kernel that's giving the problems.
[00:28] <Ssam`> you can update when the official release comes out in 15 days
[00:28] <dexter> what is gusty?
[00:29] <dexter> Ssam what is gusty?
[00:29] <Ssam`> dexter: 8.04 is a beta release
[00:29] <esox> swatTX: wow, I think I'm done... I try a reboot, pray and cross all fingers and toe for me...
[00:29] <swatTX> dexter: the previous version of ubuntu
[00:29] <todd_> Simpl3x: do you have any experience using the Screen and Graphics utility to set up a dual head display?  I also seem to have ended up with two Screen 1's
[00:29] <hmuller> same as hadry?
[00:29] <dexter> u mean 7.10?
[00:29] <pou> yes
[00:29] <dexter> Ssam u mean 7.10?
[00:29] <swatTX> esox: see you on the other side!!! (hopefully)
[00:29] <Simpl3x> no, I only have one monitor
[00:29] <iro> Ssam` lol i just remembered a CD came with my sound card and it had linux drivers too :P need to find it
[00:29] <todd_> Simpl3x: thanks for your help
[00:29] <Ssam`> dexter: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[00:29] <Simpl3x> I haven't messed with dual head under ubuntu since 6.06 which was still does in xorg.conf
[00:29] <swatTX> esox: right behind you actually!
[00:30] <dexter> it takes 3 days to download an iso here. i think i can wait 14 more days.
[00:30] <Ssam`> iro: if you want linux try installing a distro from scratch on a virtual box. but i bet ull still love ubuntu
[00:30] <Ssam`> at 115 kb?
[00:31] <Ssam`> i download 12 kb at it takes me 20 hours
[00:31] <dexter> yes.
[00:31] <hmuller> Ssam: Or use linux from scratch for a half a year.
[00:31] <iro> Ssam` me and my friend are trying to build are own but i first need to get this and of course i LOVE UBUNTU!
[00:31] <Ssam`> hmuller: eventually u get frustrated at how much you have to install i suggest a vbox
[00:32] <Simpl3x> iro: if you're looking to build your own flavor of linux, check out linux from scratch, it's quite the experience
[00:32] <dexter> my download speed is also near 15 Kilo Butes. but i cant keep my pc always on.
[00:32] <iro> time to run to VMware :P
[00:32] <iro> dexter: use torrents ;)
[00:32] <Ssam`> well yea VMware is like 300 mb
[00:32] <dexter> cuz of some electricity probblem here
[00:32] <hmuller> Simpl3x: If you like to learn and don't mind toiling  =)
[00:32] <Ssam`> dexter: where do u live
[00:32] <iro> like i care :P 100GB :P
[00:32] <dexter> yes i use torrents.
[00:32] <billyd> I have problems with 7.10 DVD according to Apt.  I'll wait until 8.04 is out and downoad at a LUG meeting.  	 only have 128K here
[00:33] <dexter> is pakistan.
[00:33] <dexter> in pakistan
[00:33] <Simpl3x> hmuller: yea, I got about 6 hours into it and said screw it when all I had was a kernel and bash terminal LOL
[00:33] <Ssam`> i do too
[00:33] <iro> 1.8ghz 2gb of ram ati 256mb what else do i need for ubunut ? :P
[00:33] <dexter> Ssam r u in pakistan?
[00:33] <Ssam`> i do too use Vmware
[00:33] <Ssam`> i mean virtual box
[00:34] <hmuller> Simpl3x:  I did it for 6 months, and then transitioned to Ubuntu
[00:34] <Ssam`> dexter wait another 14 days for ubuntus offical release
[00:34] <romelo> Hi folks....i' m facing some performance issues with Hardy Heron...
[00:34] <dexter> ok, i waiting already.
[00:34] <romelo> anyone have this kind of problem?
[00:34] <Ssam`> lol okie dokie
[00:34] <Ssam`> lol romelo join the club
[00:34] <detedagowa> hello
[00:34] <dexter> Thanx for your time Ssam
[00:34] <detedagowa> how do i update to hardy?
[00:35] <Simpl3x> hmuller: I'm currently working on doing gentoo on one of my machines as we speak, it's now attempt number 4 today to get it, the kernel keeps failing to compile
[00:35] <Ssam`> sorry we couldent help
[00:35] <Ssam`> dexter:
[00:35] <Ssam`> wait
[00:35] <dexter> its fine.
[00:35] <Ssam`> have you tried the command line interface? does it show?
[00:35] <esox> ok, hardy messed up my udev rules...
[00:35] <detedagowa> can anyone tell me how to go from 7.10 to hardy?
[00:35] <dexter> Ssam m waiting
[00:35] <dexter> it might show if i know it how to sho
[00:35] <jbroome> !upgrade | detedagowa
[00:35] <ubotu> detedagowa: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[00:35] <romelo> I've downloaded from web and installed it in my pc...it was not a upgrade from another version
[00:36] <detedagowa> so its a new instalation not upgrade?
[00:36] <hmuller> Simpl3x:  I went from Gentoo (2yrs) to LFS.  Sounds like you are missing a dependency.
[00:36] <Ssam`> dexter: are you compleatly new?
[00:36] <iro> detedagowa: update-manager --devel -release
[00:36] <dexter> Ssam. yes
[00:36] <romelo> detedagowa, yes..it's a new installation
[00:36] <swatTX> esox: you make it back?
[00:36] <dexter> Ssam. i have never ever used a Linux here
[00:36] <Simpl3x> hmuller: that or the internet connection keeps dropping like it so often does causing emerge to crash while importing a dependancy
[00:36] <Ssam`> hrmm.....wait for the offical realese ubuntu is the place to start
[00:36] <iro> dexter try mandriva might be esier for you but it is a 4gb DVD iso .....
[00:37] <dexter> iro, that is a big big probblem.
[00:37] <Ssam`> lol iro let him try ubuntu i started from it its got the most repositorories simplest installestions and easy management hell go by gine
[00:37] <Ssam`> fine(
[00:37] <iro> dexter i know even for me :P on a 15mb/s down connection
[00:37] <romelo> detedagowa, In my old installation(gutsy) I used to compile my code in at most 10 minutes but now I have spent about 22 min
[00:37] <pou> Ssam : i agree
[00:37] <esox> swatTX: yes, but my midibox doesnt run anymore...
[00:38] <Ssam`> iro where u from
[00:38] <savvas> why is mandriva easier?!
[00:38] <iro> Ssam` now or origianlly :P
[00:38] <Ssam`> trust me you dont want to install debian as a newbie its a pain in the ass
[00:38] <detedagowa> cananyone help me do a network install on a laptop?
[00:38] <savvas> if he's going to use a deb distro, he should use a deb distro :P
[00:38] <Ssam`> detedagowa: we can try state your problem
[00:38] <Ssam`> iro: either
[00:38] <dexter> i have downloaded Damn small linux, pc linux os, and now i m downloading back track.
[00:38] <detedagowa> it has no cd rom drive and i have no flash drive
[00:39] <iro> Ssam` US, NY, ; Poland
[00:39] <romelo> Is there any place where I could find instructions to downgrade from hardy to gutsy?
[00:39] <Ssam`> dexter: how is DSL working for you
[00:39] <Sergeant_Pony> Anyone know what this means? --> sudo: unable to resolve host Voyager
[00:39] <Simpl3x> detedagowa: does it have a floppy drive?
[00:39] <m1r> detedagowa ; same problem here
[00:39] <detedagowa> yes
[00:39] <Ssam`> kewl........after poland NY must be hott as hell for you
[00:39] <Simpl3x> I believe there is a way to make a boot floppy from the live cd if you have another computer that has both floppy and cd drive
[00:39] <detedagowa> how do i do that whole name thing where u put my name befor that
[00:39] <swatTX> esox: I think i'm good here. system is up to date!
[00:39] <Simpl3x> google search for how to make a boot floppy from linux live cd
[00:40] <dexter> i m not using dsl it a wireless modem of some kind made by LG.  i m going to swich to broadband. 512 kbits very soon
[00:40] <iro> Ssam` actually where i live is extra boring :P there are 1200 kids in my class :P and i sit on the computer all day long
[00:40] <Lunks> I've got a remote control from HP notebooks.
[00:40] <Lunks> It's not working at all.
[00:40] <dexter> when my deal with this current company ends.
[00:40] <pou> dexter : ubuntu is a good choice but you should begin with the stable version
[00:40] <Lunks> Probably due to some kernel module I removed. Which kernel module would that be?
[00:40] <Ssam`> wow
[00:40] <Ssam`> you dont have to see another kidd for 4 months
[00:41] <Ssam`> yes ubuntu is great for noobies
[00:41] <savvas> detedagowa: i
[00:41] <m1r> Simpl3x: i have same problem but only network option, cd broken, no floppy
[00:41] <iro> Ssam` :P no but all my friends are Asian and i don't trust white pplz here and i'm white :P
[00:41] <Ssam`> iro:  that might be intrerpreted as derogatory :P
[00:41] <dexter> pou, i have tried redhat that caused me the same probblem too.
[00:41] <savvas> detedagowa: i'm not sure if this is possible, but maybe you could download the alternate cd, extract & put it the harddrive and install from there?
[00:42] <swatTX> esox: best of luck to you. I'm off for today
[00:42] <Ssam`> hrmm a newinst on ubuntu?
[00:42] <iro> Ssam` yeah i'm going to go MJ and turn asian
[00:42] <Ssam`> net*
[00:42] <m1r> savvas: u mean copy cd data to HDD ?
[00:42] <detedagowa> i just dont get this i cant do a net install thats not working no cd rom drive no flash drive only has a floppy drive
[00:42] <esox> swatTX: do you know a bit about udev rules ?
[00:42] <Ssam`> which asians? middle easterns or the other ones
[00:42] <detedagowa> i was gonna try to put HDD nio my main box but then realised i dont have the aadpater
[00:42] <Ssam`> the ones famous for anime
[00:42] <[GuS]> swatTX: also many of my webcams at my company started to fail as well with latest kernel...
[00:42] <iro> Japanese ones :P
[00:43] <swatTX> esox: affraid not. sorry
[00:43] <dexter> ha ha ha
[00:43] <Ssam`> heh i cnat afford ny
[00:43] <Ssam`> :P
[00:43] <iro> Ssam` it is crap
[00:43] <esox> swatTX: ok, good nite
[00:43] <iro> Ssam` my parents pay 2300$ for the house
[00:43] <savvas> m1r: exactly, maybe he could use a linux-based boot disk to run it from the hard drive ;)
[00:43] <swatTX> GuS: not sure how to roll back to previous kernels... that's over my head. sorry
[00:43] <Ssam`> megapolis i live in one of the worlds largest cities as it is
[00:43] <detedagowa> if i ran a ethernet cord form one pc to another and net booted the laptop would that do anything for me?
[00:43] <dexter> Ssam where r u from?
[00:43] <Ssam`> Asia! and lets keep it discreet
[00:44] <dexter> where is asia?
[00:44] <m1r> savvas: no cdrom there, also here
[00:44] <Ssam`> Asia :P
[00:44] <iro> ?!?!?!?! DEXTER?!?!?!?!
[00:44] <dexter> ha ha ha
[00:44] <Gilou> wtf lol
[00:44] <Ssam`> iro: did u install the driver?
[00:44] <dexter> Ssam tell me one thing
[00:45] <detedagowa> this suckkssss
[00:45] <iro> Ssam` idk how
[00:45] <m1r> detedagowa: u have one heavy option
[00:45] <Ssam`> i forwarded you a link?
[00:45] <iro> Ssam` bad experiance with compiling
[00:45] <m1r> detedagowa: u can try PXE install server
[00:45] <Ssam`> heh
[00:45] <savvas> m1r: you don't need a cd-rom, you need a fast internet and partitioned hard drive and a working operating system already installed
[00:45] <Ssam`> dexter: ?
[00:45] <dexter> Ssam. if i try to run live . can i run command line and enter some command to change my dilplay settings?
[00:46] <iro> Ssam` i couldn't compile anything in 7.10
[00:46] <m1r> savvas: none of that i have :)
[00:46] <savvas> m1r: you could try with the debian floppies then: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/
[00:46] <Ssam`> dude....trust me you can hardly anything. the only thing ive ever successfully compiled was real player
[00:46] <dexter> Ssam. if i try to run live . can i run command line and enter some command to change my dilplay settings?
[00:47] <m1r> savvas:  detedagowa has floppy , lucky guy , my laptop dont have that :/
[00:47] <iro> Ssam` i tried ManGOS and failed cuz said couldn't create executales or somthing
[00:47] <sypher7> hey room. anyone else having keyring troubles with seahorse in hardy? when using ssh i get a prompt at the terminal but not in the GUI. seahorse still shows my ssh key in there.
[00:47] <m1r> savvas: so only input option is network on my laptop it atm:/
[00:47] <pou> dexter : you have help with F1 for the boot options
[00:47] <Ssam`> try xinit
[00:47] <iro> omg!!!! guys xchat says i have a 0.2 ms lag ;(
[00:48] <dexter> yes i have tried but was not able to find any thing helpfull there
[00:48] <dexter> Ssam, what is xinit?
[00:48] <savvas> m1r: http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall - read network boot and.. good luck :P the manual is huge :)
[00:48] <Ssam`> its managing your X server
[00:48] <pou> dexter : have you tried the different display options (wesa, etc...) ?
[00:49] <m1r> tnx savvas
[00:49] <Ssam`> Xserver is managers the gui which is the graphics you see forth other wise linux is like a cli...just like dos
[00:49] <dexter> pou, i have not because i dont know how to.
[00:49] <iro> yoyoyoy how to dowanload the headers? for the new kernel i have the old ones ;(
[00:49] <pou> dexter : on the boot menu of the livecd
[00:49] <Ssam`> pou:  he cant seem to get the display right
[00:50] <Ssam`> and he is on hardy
[00:50] <dexter> the boot menue apears.
[00:50] <Ssam`> the boot menu appears?
[00:50] <savvas> m1r: especially this part :) http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en
[00:50] <Ssam`> hrmm
[00:50] <dexter> yes
[00:50] <Ssam`> ugh i forgot boot menu options
[00:50] <pou> dexter : you may have some options with F1, F2, etc...
[00:50] <dexter> the boot menue apears, then what should i do? i mean what should i press?
[00:50] <iro> :P
[00:51] <dexter> yes there were these options.
[00:51] <iro> Ssam` https://bugs.launchpad.net/~irek2191
[00:51] <pou> F1 helps you for the options
[00:51] <iro> how big can i make it :P
[00:52] <dexter> yes. but where r boot options where i can boot with diffrent display settings?
[00:53] <dexter> Ssam, pou.
[00:53] <pou> dexter : your problem was that the loading hanged in a black screen ?
[00:53] <Ssam`> iro: his problem is he sees just a singular line
[00:53] <dexter> yes
[00:53] <dexter> pou u r rite
[00:53] <Ssam`> you said u just saw a singular line
[00:53] <sypher7> dexter: do you have SLI/multiple video cards?
[00:53] <pou> dexter : maybe you should try to add "acpi=off"
[00:53] <iro> Ssam` i'm about to download gentoo :P
[00:53] <dexter> yes it was all black but a thin line in the middle
[00:54] <Ssam`> iro: okay.....but i hear the support people are not nice
[00:54] <iro> ouch
[00:54] <iro> no worries
[00:54] <dexter> no i have only one agp installed
[00:54] <iro> my friend has 4 gentoo machines :P
[00:54] <Ssam`> sabayon people wenrnt in my experience
[00:54] <Ssam`> aight
[00:55] <dexter> pou , i will only be able to enter it in command line but how to open command line?
[00:55] <Ssam`> dexter: you want to change your display settings via CLI?
[00:55] <dexter> yes
[00:55] <dexter> yes
[00:55] <pou> dexter : I think it's F8 or something like that to add command options
[00:56] <pou> but F1 tells you that
[00:56] <sypher7> anyone aware of issues with seahorse in hardy? i have my ssh key setup properly in seahorse, but when i connect to a server to use it, i get prompted for the ssh key passphrase inside the terminal
[00:56] <Ssam`> pou he cant see anything to start with
[00:56] <dexter> ok i m noting. and Ssam tell me if u too have figuredout some thing
[00:56] <sypher7> it was working properly in gutsy
[00:57] <dexter> Ssam boot screen apears. there are some options.
[00:57] <Ssam`> dexter:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[00:57] <Ssam`> this should help
[00:58] <m1r> i am trying to install package netkit-inetd but it gives me to options to install - inetutils-inetd and openbsd-inetd , what should i pick to install ?
[00:58] <Ssam`> i am out peace
[00:58] <Lunks> How to install a single module from kernel source?
[00:58] <pou> dexter : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[00:59] <dexter> my moniter doesnt totaly goes black untill ubunto loads some thing and a progress bar stays there for some time and when progress bar is full then my moniter goes blank
[00:59] <dexter> thanx pou
[00:59] <sypher7> dexter: sounds like X. can you CTRL-ALT-F1 and get a terminal?
[00:59] <dexter> Ssam , Pou. thank u both
[00:59] <dexter> yes
[00:59] <pou> you're welcome
[01:00] <dexter> sypher.
[01:00] <dexter> sypher???
[01:00] <sypher7> dexter: if all of the other suggestions fail, i've had this problem with SLI configurations, so i wouldn't think it would apply to you... but you could CTRL-ALT-F1 and get a term
[01:01] <sypher7> then edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look for a line with the setting like "PCI:6:0:0"
[01:01] <iro> Ssam` listen i switched the sound card to the other one (have 2 exactly the same) and it works fine plug in and play
[01:01] <sypher7> and try to comment it out. then restart GDM
[01:02] <sypher7> it should in theory match the video card PCI bus setting listed by lspci
[01:02] <dexter>  sypher,   should i change pci:6:0:0   to some thing else????
[01:02] <sypher7> in my configuration i had to change it to PCI:7:0:0
[01:02] <sypher7> but it may be different for you.
[01:03] <dexter> my vga is agp
[01:03] <sypher7> again, this was only needed in my case because I used SLI
[01:03] <dexter> sypher one more thing
[01:03] <sypher7> but if you have onboard video in addition to your AGP card, i wonder if that might also cause similar behavior
[01:03] <dexter> can disply resolution be changed in cli?
[01:04] <pikeshouse88> can someone explain why 8.04 beta STILL cant use the macbook's wireless card out of the box?
[01:04] <sypher7> while you are in there editting the xorg.conf file, there is probably a "Modes" line where you can alter the resolution
[01:04] <pikeshouse88> i mean comeon, what is supposed to be the difference between 7.10 and 8.04 here? it's not like the macbook is a backwater computer no one knows about
[01:05] <esox> Ok,  so I finally manage to update to hardy, but the udev rules for midisport usb midibox dont work anymore
[01:05] <pou> dexter : I may be wrong : you have the issue while booting your installed ubuntu or the livecd ?
[01:05] <dexter> yes
[01:05] <pou> wich one ?
[01:05] <dexter> with both
[01:06] <pou> how did you install, so ? with the alternate ?
[01:07] <dexter> i installed it in windows. cuz i was not able to get to the standart installation menu cuz of my display probblem
[01:07] <pou> in windows ?
[01:08] <Lunks> Using Wubi, right? =P
[01:08] <dexter> installed it using wubi
[01:08] <dexter> yes
[01:08] <pou> OK, I don't know this method
[01:08] <Lunks> pou: only changes how partitions work. nothing related to his video card.
[01:08] <Lunks> That should not be an issue at all.
[01:09] <Lunks> f'pikeshouse88: it will never support broadcom chipsets
[01:09] <Lunks> f'pikeshouse88: you will have to download firmware driver.
[01:09] <pikeshouse88> well now it seems that the drivers are available, they just have to be built. and my question is, why? why arent they included in 8.04? 7.10 i might be able to understand
[01:10] <pikeshouse88> i shouldnt have to build driver support for drivers that are available for a very popular computer, they should be included with 8.04
[01:12] <Lunks> f'pikeshouse88: they're not free, or smth like that
[01:13] <Lunks> f'pikeshouse88: it's like not including nvidia drivers. ;)
[01:13] <pikeshouse88> Lunks: its claled madwifi
[01:13] <pikeshouse88> madwifi.org
[01:13] <pikeshouse88> those are open source and free
[01:13] <Lunks> f'pikeshouse88: isn't it broadcom?
[01:13] <Lunks> afaik macbooks use broadcom
[01:13] <pikeshouse88> macbooks use atheros
[01:13] <Lunks> didn't know about it :>
[01:14] <Lunks> f'pikeshouse88: there's probably something on wiki on why they aren't supported
[01:14] <Lunks> there is a lot of drivers, there must be something about it which makes it not qualified. ;P
[01:15] <RyanPrior> My Firefox keeps interpreting my middle-clicks multiple times, opening or closing multiple tabs per click. (as many as 6!)
[01:15] <RyanPrior> Any clue why that might be, or what I can do to fix it?
[01:16] <DanaG> wtf?  Wine is broken.
[01:16] <DanaG> My shift key doesn't work in it.
[01:17] <DanaG> And Wine doesn't support surround, it seems.
[01:17] <iro> nope
[01:17] <iro> it doesn't ;( i tried
[01:17] <RyanPrior> Shift works in my Wine.
[01:17] <RyanPrior> At least in Wine Notepad it does.
[01:17] <RyanPrior> Is it broken in Wine Notepad?
[01:18] <Lunks> When is Exaile supporting new Gnome shortcuts?
[01:18] <DanaG> Works there.
[01:18] <Fritzel> plasma just got an update, any chances a fix for a taskbar that goes invisible on occasion was present?
[01:18] <RyanPrior> DanaG: What application does it not work in, then?
[01:18] <Lunks> looks like now. ;D
[01:18] <DanaG> ﻿I'll tell it to use the surround51:1 device, it'll IGNORE me and use hw:1.
[01:18] <DanaG> regedit.
[01:18] <DanaG> Now it works again.. .odd.
[01:20] <RyanPrior> Wine is awesome these days. The number one feature I'm waiting for is automatically skinning the Windows GUI to imitate GTK.
[01:20] <os2mac> lot of updates today.
[01:20] <DanaG> If I try to use surround51:1 device, it instead gives NO audio at all.
[01:20] <DanaG> WTF?
[01:20] <DanaG> That's just bugged.
[01:20] <RyanPrior> DanaG: That might be a question to ask in #wine
[01:22] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone know why I'm getting this? --> sudo: unable to resolve host Voyager
[01:22] <chuy> hi, my music hard disk is not mountable anymore (hdb1) since an update that changed hd?? dev files to sd?? files. does anyone have an idea?
[01:22] <Fritzel> sudu doesn't have access to delta quadrent? >< sorry couldn't help it
[01:22] <Fritzel> quadrant*
[01:22] <Fritzel> sudo
[01:22] <Fritzel> *
[01:22] <Fritzel> man I need new fingers
[01:22] <Sergeant_Pony> huh? I'm on my laptop at work...
[01:23] <Fritzel> nevermind ^^
[01:23] <Fritzel> better that that one gets lost in the shuffle
[01:23] <RyanPrior> chuy: Is it unmountable, or just not mounting by default? Perhaps your fstab is borked?
[01:23] <Sergeant_Pony> gee thanks..  I don't get that error on my laptop at home when I'm on my ownnetwork....
[01:24] <RyanPrior> Sergeant_Pony: We can't help you much given the info you've given us. What are you trying to do? How is that error being presented?
[01:24] <RyanPrior> Sergeant_Pony: No point coming in here, asking cryptic questions, then making sarcastic comments when you don't get quality help. :-)
[01:24] <Sergeant_Pony> I'll paste the entire command and maybe there is a workaround...
[01:25] <Sergeant_Pony> that was a paste from my konsole window
[01:25] <chuy> RyanPrior, I was trying to mount it manually as sdb1, and I had this error telling me it was not a block device, I did a file /dev/sdb1 and it told me it was a char device, now, I updated the system today again and now I don't have sdb anymore, my sdb1 partition is accesible through windows though, using the ext2ifs driver
[01:25] <Sergeant_Pony> so it wassn't cryptic
[01:25] <DanaG> No help in #wine.
[01:25] <Fritzel> !pastebin | Sergeant_Pony, just in case
[01:25] <ubotu> Sergeant_Pony, just in case: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[01:25] <Sergeant_Pony> it's only 2 lines
[01:25] <RyanPrior> chuy: That is nothing I've ever had to deal with. Perhaps you can ask in ##linux if you don't get an answer in here.
[01:26] <Sergeant_Pony> richringer@Voyager:~$ sudo modprobe ath_pci
[01:26] <Sergeant_Pony> sudo: unable to resolve host Voyager
[01:26] <Fritzel> so it can't resolve the same machine it's executing from?
[01:26] <RyanPrior> DanaG: perhaps a good candidate for a missive to wine-users, then.
[01:26] <chuy> RyanPrior, I just installed gparted, and it recognizes it as an ext partition, can you check the image pls and see if you recognize anything
[01:27] <RyanPrior> chuy: What image?
[01:27] <Sergeant_Pony> Fritzel: what's strange is I don't get that error at home on my own network
[01:27] <os2mac> DanaG what's your problem?
[01:27] <RyanPrior> os2mac: Wine isn't playing nice with his/her surround sound.
[01:28] <chuy> RyanPrior, http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotvi7.png
[01:28] <Fritzel> Sergeant_Pony: the same machine you're connected to now? even if where you're typing at is different?
[01:28] <Sergeant_Pony> ubotu: is there a way to have that run on start-up?
[01:28]  * DanaG is a guy.
[01:28] <DanaG> It is an ambiguous name, true enough.
[01:28] <Sergeant_Pony> Fritzel: I'm at work on a college network
[01:28] <RyanPrior> chuy: Have you tried building a new superblock with e2fsck?
[01:29] <DanaG> At least people get that G is a last-name initial; when I play online, people often call me "dannag" (spelled as they pronounce it).
[01:29] <chuy> RyanPrior, no
[01:29] <Fritzel> Sergeant_Pony: what I mean is, the machine "Voyager" is it the same machine that you're connected to when that works at home?
[01:29] <Fritzel> Sergeant_Pony: also ubotu is a bot I think
[01:29] <os2mac> DanaG: have you restarted? I assume you just updated?
[01:29] <RyanPrior> chuy: Make sure you backup important data before you do it, but that might work.
[01:30] <Sergeant_Pony> Fritzel that is the name of this machine... Toshiba Satellite Laptop
[01:30] <DanaG> nOPE, THAT'S -- aagh, and my caps are screwed up, too.
[01:30] <DanaG> In wine.
[01:30] <chuy> RyanPrior, can you tell me how?, I've remember doing it a few months ago, I had to copy a superblock from another, or something like that, but I don't remember how I did it
[01:30] <quentusrex> How can I get the servers connect to for work to automatically mount when I login?
[01:30] <Gilou> using dd, probably
[01:30] <quentusrex> I hate rebooting and having to remount all my remote servers.
[01:30] <Gilou> (for chuy)
[01:30] <os2mac> DanaG: when did you start to notice the problem?
[01:31] <Gilou> quentusrex> have them configured in /etc/fstab maybe?
[01:31] <DanaG> Wine has never supported surround for me.
[01:31] <chuy> Gilou, I mean e2fsck, nm, I will check google
[01:31] <quentusrex> Is there a gui yet? something that will do the 'connect to server' portion?
[01:32] <Gilou> chuy> to copy bit to bit data on a disk, dd is better
[01:32] <Gilou> quentusrex> I don't think so :)
[01:32] <RyanPrior> chuy: Assuming you've got whatever backups you need, just run "fsck -y /dev/sdb1"
[01:33] <RyanPrior> chuy: The -y flag means "yes to all questions", so it will fix anything it finds without asking you. If you want it to ask before messing with stuff, don't use the -y flag.
[01:33] <quentusrex> There is a gui for 'connect to server' and with the new gnome file system upgrades there should be a way to auto 'connect to server' after login...
[01:33] <chuy> RyanPrior, mmmm, I don't have sdb dev files, somehow gparted recognized sdb
[01:34] <RyanPrior> quentusrex: You can add a server, or a folder within that server, to your bookmarks for easy access.
[01:34] <chuy> RyanPrior, I have sdb, but not sdb?
[01:34] <RyanPrior> quentusrex: If you add the passwords and so on to your keychain, it will automatically connect without prompting when you click on the bookmark.
[01:34] <Dr_willis> I tend to just use the sshfs, or smbfuse tools intesd of connect to server.
[01:34] <RyanPrior> chuy: You don't have a device called sdb1?
[01:35] <T1m0thy> Okay.. so sometimes after one thing takes over the sound, and I get out of it, I can't get sound back in anything else.. How can I restore it?
[01:35] <chuy> RyanPrior, not since the today's update
[01:36] <RyanPrior> chuy: That is strange to me.
[01:36] <RyanPrior> chuy: Your gparted specifically says /dev/sdb1
[01:36] <chuy> RyanPrior, yes
[01:36] <chuy> RyanPrior, but there is no dev file
[01:37] <chuy> RyanPrior: chuy@ubuntu:~$ echo /dev/sd*
[01:37] <chuy> /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda5 /dev/sda6 /dev/sdb
[01:37] <RyanPrior> I don't know how to help, unfortunately.
[01:37] <DanaG> Hmm, sounds like the partition table is screwy.
[01:37] <DanaG> Try installing TestDisk (it's a package) and running it on the bare drive.  Just don't do "write" until you know what you're doing.
[01:38] <chuy> DanaG, the weird thing, is that I can access through windows using ext2ifs, I will download a live-cd and check if its just hardy heron, if its linux, I will use testdisk
[01:41] <quentusrex> RyanPrior, How do I add them to my bookmarks?
[01:41] <sivel27> hello
[01:41] <sivel27> can someone please help me out with sound issues for a laptop? ive searched "hither & thither" to no avail
[01:42] <RyanPrior> quentusrex: Navigate in nautilus to the folder you want to bookmark, then under the Bookmarks menu, choose Add Bookmark.
[01:42] <RyanPrior> sivel27: Give us information and we'll tell you if it makes us thing of something useful. :-)
[01:42] <sivel27> nice.
[01:42] <sivel27> here we go
[01:44] <T1m0thy> Okay.. so sometimes after one thing takes over the sound, and I get out of it, I can't get sound back in anything else.. How can I restore it?
[01:44] <sivel27> its a toshiba running heron, all up-2-date, my volume icon is displayed, and i can adjust the volume, but theres no sound. lspci shows intel ich6 chipset, which is know to work w/ubuntu
[01:44] <macogw> T1m0thy: is either thing flash/
[01:45] <T1m0thy> it's happened with youtube and java
[01:45] <T1m0thy> so yeah..
[01:45] <T1m0thy> and skype but i fixed that
[01:45] <macogw> T1m0thy: is libflashsupport installed?
[01:45] <T1m0thy> one sec
[01:45] <sivel27> when i type alsamixer in the cmd, i get this: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[01:46] <esox> ok, many issues with hardy... scons gives errors where it didnt in gutsy
[01:46] <T1m0thy> macogw: Yes.
[01:47] <macogw> k then idk
[01:47] <T1m0thy> Okay.
[01:47] <macogw> whats a scons?
[01:47] <T1m0thy> Well I was just thinking some command to restart it or something.. killing and restarting didn't seem to work..
[01:47] <T1m0thy> let me try again
[01:47] <RyanPrior> macogw: It's like a cookie, except made with more dough and often eaten at tea.
[01:47] <esox> macogw: its to compile
[01:48] <T1m0thy> nevermind it worked
[01:48] <macogw> RyanPrior: no that has an e...
[01:51] <Fritzel> ok this is probably something simple but does anyone know why I would get this message when attempting to compile a plasmoid? http://pastebin.com/d1595a17b
[01:51] <sivel27> any idea RyanPrior?
[01:52] <RyanPrior> sivel27: I'm terrible with sound diagnosis, personally. If it's not something I've dealt with, I can't help much.
[01:52] <Fritzel> my best guess is that something can't find something but I don't know where Its looking or where it should be, or even what it is
[01:52] <RyanPrior> !sound
[01:52] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:52] <RyanPrior> That's what I know. =D
[01:52] <sivel27> thanks
[01:52] <Daisuke-Laptop> yay, time for today's 216 updates
[01:53] <cyclonut> any idea why a desktop would hang on reboot?
[01:53] <Fritzel> yeah they updated plasma too and so far no vanishing taskbar :D
[01:53] <cyclonut> it gets all the way to the end of the shutdown sequence, then hangs
[01:53] <cyclonut> does fine on shutdown though
[01:53] <zeyar> hi
[01:53] <zeyar> plz help m for setting up cam
[01:54] <zeyar> i did a lots of  way but not  found
[01:54] <zeyar> hello
[01:55] <RyanPrior> Hello Zeyar. We'd love to help you, but you're not providing much useful info.
[01:55] <Dr_willis> check the hardware list, see if the cam is even supported.. Its very possivle it has no linux support.
[01:55] <RyanPrior> If English isn't your first language, you might be able to find help in another channel.
[01:55] <zeyar> yeah
[01:55] <zeyar> i am burmese
[01:55] <diefordethklok> sudo apt-get install compiz* will install emerald right, I'm doing it right now
[01:56] <Dr_willis> emerald is not needed for compiz
[01:56] <Dr_willis> emerald is ONE of the window decorators you can use for compiz
[01:56] <Dr_willis> and one does not normally use wildcards with apt-get install :)
[01:56] <RyanPrior> zeyar: Funny. My government hates your government irrationally. =D
[01:56] <diefordethklok> oops
[01:57] <diefordethklok> :S
[01:57] <diefordethklok> Did i just break my system?
[01:57]  * cyclonut wonders what would happen if he did apt-get install *
[01:57] <diefordethklok> hmm
[01:57] <RyanPrior> !webcam | zeyar, if you haven't already checked
[01:57] <ubotu> zeyar, if you haven't already checked: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[01:57] <Dr_willis> it would try to install packages based on the names of the files in the current directory
[01:57] <cyclonut> diefordethklok, you probably didnt break anything.
[01:57] <cyclonut> Dr_willis, neat
[01:57] <diefordethklok> Phew
[01:57] <Dr_willis> its the bash SHELL that expands the wildcards. Not the apt-get command
[01:58] <cyclonut> ah
[01:58] <cyclonut> well, that makes sense
[01:58] <Dr_willis> in theory you could make a dir of 'filenames' of packages and do that sort of thing.. :)
[01:58] <Dr_willis> but thats just weird.
[01:58] <diefordethklok> Hmm, I only have one workspace now
[01:59] <mohbana> how do i configure the no. of lines that are scrolled?
[01:59] <Dr_willis> diefordethklok,  common compiz faq's :)
[01:59] <diefordethklok> I used to have two ...
[01:59] <diefordethklok> Okay
[01:59] <Dr_willis> diefordethklok,  install ccsm, and use it to set the # of desktops
[01:59] <Dr_willis> !ccsm
[01:59] <ubotu> To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[02:00] <esox> another issue : cant access my usb drive... permission denied...
[02:00] <jast-mxm> got an issue w/ ssh tunnels
[02:00] <diefordethklok> I edit the settings but nothing has changed
[02:00] <RyanPrior> esox: Do you have permission to access removable drives set?
[02:00] <jast-mxm> i have a server behind a firewall with port 22 open
[02:00] <jast-mxm> also an ftp server running on said server but port 21 is not open and want to ssh tunnel into it
[02:00] <diefordethklok> only one workspace is still there
[02:01] <Dr_willis> then you did it wrong. :)
[02:01] <esox> RyanPrior: dont know, just upgraded... how do one do that ?
[02:01] <Dr_willis> and No i dont use compiz.. its in the ccsm tool, general tab. the #;s are confusing.
[02:01] <diefordethklok> It's under general options right
[02:01] <mohbana> hello did anyone get my message?
[02:01] <jast-mxm> so in commandline of client i do ssh -L 5950:127.0.0.1:21 user@hostname
[02:01] <diefordethklok> desktop size
[02:01] <Dr_willis> you want like 4,1 or 1,4 or somthing..
[02:01] <RyanPrior> esox: System -> Administration -> Users and Groups, click on your user, click properties.
[02:01] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[02:01] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[02:01] <jast-mxm> when i try to connect to ftp://127.0.0.1:5950 it just says connecting but never lists anything
[02:02] <diefordethklok> no dice willis :(
[02:02] <jast-mxm> if i open port 21 it works fine
[02:02] <RyanPrior> mohbana: I got your message asking if anybody got a message, but none before that,.
[02:02] <esox> RyanPrior: yes it is checked
[02:02] <RyanPrior> mohbana: Actually, scrolling up, there was one before.
[02:02] <Dr_willis> diefordethklok,  i would say check the faq/guides - thats got to be like a #1 top Faq. :) i HAVE noticed that ccsm can get stuck at times where the changes to not get applied.
[02:02] <RyanPrior> esox: Okay, that's not the problem them. What error is given when you try to access your flash drive?
[02:03] <esox> RyanPrior: in fact I cant change anything on those properties
[02:03] <RyanPrior> esox: If you unlock the interface you can.
[02:03] <zeyar>  when i installed the skype,i saw this message  Error:Wrong architecture'i386'
[02:03] <RyanPrior> esox: It's locked by default to keep you from accidentally screwing with things.
[02:04] <RyanPrior> zeyar: Perhaps you're trying to install a 32-bit Skype on 64-bit, or vice versa?
[02:04] <zeyar> how to solve it out?
[02:04] <zeyar> yeah
[02:04] <Dr_willis> diefordethklok,  looks like ccsm is goofed here also.
[02:04] <esox> RyanPrior: if I insert a usb memory stick it says (translated from french) Impossible to display the directories, you dont have permissions requiered to display the content of...
[02:04] <Dr_willis> diefordethklok,  could set the #'s and restart compiz
[02:05] <RyanPrior> esox: Does it show up in /media ?
[02:05] <diefordethklok> okay
[02:05] <esox> RyanPrior: yes
[02:05] <zeyar> do i need to change to 64-bit ubuntu ?
[02:05] <Dr_willis> diefordethklok,  now ya know one of the reasond i dont use compiz much. :)
[02:06] <esox> RyanPrior: my usb external hardrive also
[02:06] <mohbana> so how do i set the no. of lines that are scrolled?
[02:06] <mohbana> thanks
[02:06] <Dr_willis> gee i think he restarted X, not just compiz.. :)
[02:07] <diefordethklok> restarting x fixed it
[02:07] <diefordethklok> :)
[02:07] <zeyar> RyanPrior pls , do i need to change it instead of 32-bit?
[02:07] <Dr_willis> diefordethklok,  you just had to restart Compiz, not X :)
[02:07] <esox> RyanPrior: in fact when I insert those devices a nautilus window opens up but It says I dont have permssions
[02:07] <diefordethklok> I wasn't running anything anyway
[02:07] <diefordethklok> besides pidgin
[02:07] <Dr_willis> diefordethklok,  the  fusion-icon - tray icon to launch and manage Compiz Fusion
[02:07] <jast-mxm> any takers?
[02:07] <Dr_willis> is a handy tool to install also
[02:07] <RyanPrior> esox: what do you get when you run ls -ld /media/yourflashdrive ?
[02:08] <diefordethklok> I can get those through apt?
[02:08] <RyanPrior> zeyar: You can only install 32-bit apps on 32-bit OS and so on, unless you set up a chroot, which I don't know how to do,
[02:08] <chuy_max> hey RyanPrior, running feisty from hdb1, so there is something wrong in hardy
[02:08] <esox> RyanPrior: drwx------ 9 root root 16384 1970-01-01 01:00 /media/CLEUSB_JMB
[02:09] <RyanPrior> jast-mxm: You aren't giving much info. Have you tried connecting to a different FTP server? Tried pinging the url? Tried contacting their sysadmin?
[02:09] <jast-mxm> i gave my whole problem up a bit
[02:09] <RyanPrior> esox: So, it's owned by root and only readable by the owner. There's gotta be a way to fix that, but I don't know what that is.
[02:09] <jast-mxm> ryanprior: anyhow, i connect to my ssh server via ssh -L 5950:127.0.0.1:21 -l username hosturl
[02:10] <mohbana> so how do i set the no. of lines that are scrolled?
[02:10] <RyanPrior> mohbana: In what application?
[02:10] <diefordethklok> Sorry, I don't know that much about linux in general, but wouldn't sudo-apt-get install compiz*  install kde stuff?
[02:10] <jast-mxm> ryanprior then i try to connect via ftp   using  ftp://username@127.0.0.1:5950
[02:10] <jast-mxm> it just sits at connecting and never goes anywhere
[02:10] <esox> RyanPrior: ah, too bad...
[02:10] <mohbana> RyanPrior, firefox i'd like global affect aswell
[02:11] <RyanPrior> diefordethklok: That doesn't sound like a command you'd be likely to run. Compiz is already installed on Ubuntu machines.
[02:11] <jast-mxm> ryanprior: if i open port 21 on my router i can access it just fine but i want the ssh tunnel
[02:11] <mcgrof> where do I tell xorg nowadays to use a specific video driver? I want to tell it to use "nvidia" but don't see it on xorg.conf anymroe
[02:11] <RyanPrior> mohbana: What do you mean, how many lines are scrolled? (Also, if English is not your first language, you might be able to get help in another channel)
[02:12] <RyanPrior> jast-mxm: I'm not sure what's going wrong, then. I'm not keen on network diagnostics - I usually just google around for answers.
[02:12] <jast-mxm> hmm, i have tried looking around and my commands are right and ssh gets in just fine just the ftp through it does not
[02:12] <mcgrof> I just installed hardy, and xorg was working fine. I then upgraded and to the latest things available and now the resolution isn't somehow making the monitor we have happy
[02:12] <mcgrof> its a 22"
[02:12] <jast-mxm> guess i'll post on teh forums
[02:12] <mcgrof> I'm on the console now and on irssi :)
[02:13] <mohbana> RyanPrior, i basically want it to scroll faster
[02:13] <Fritzel> !mmorpg
[02:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mmorpg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:13] <Fritzel> !games
[02:13] <RyanPrior> mcgrof: That's cool, GUIs are for n00bs anyway.
[02:13] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[02:13] <RyanPrior> mohbana: Do you mean your scroll wheel?
[02:13] <mcgrof> the console works at least. I then tried to install linux-restricted-drivers and nvidia-new but still I cannot get xorg to come up fine
[02:13] <mohbana> RyanPrior, yep
[02:14] <mcgrof> I'm wondering what's up, I wanted to then change xorg.conf to use nvidia driver but I don't even see the driver section anymore in xorg.conf
[02:14] <mcgrof> WTF, when did this change? :-P
[02:14] <Fritzel> is there a way to reload plasma on the fly
[02:14] <Fritzel> other than killing it
[02:14] <mcgrof> Fritzel: reload a plasma?
[02:14] <Dr_willis> mcgrof,  new minimal X configuration
[02:15] <Dr_willis> mcgrof,  i ran the nvidia config tools and it filled in a rather normal xorg.conf that worked forme
[02:15] <nomasteryoda> mcgrof, its part of the new "automagic" xorg
[02:15] <mcgrof> Dr_willis: I like it, but know where the Driver for the video is specified now?
[02:15] <Fritzel> plasma, it's a kde4 component
[02:15] <RyanPrior> mohbana: I'm not sure where you do that.
[02:15] <Dr_willis> mcgrof,  alli did was install the nvidia-glx package, and restarted X and its tarted useing it.
[02:15] <Dr_willis> i dident 'need' to mess with the Driver Line at all.
[02:15] <chuy_max> does anyone know why ide dev files where changed from hd* to sd*?
[02:15] <Dr_willis> I did however do some other tweaking
[02:15] <nomasteryoda>  now if the devs could get hidd --search back into bluez-utils...
[02:15] <mcgrof> Dr_willis: hmm,
[02:15] <chuy_max> I think I've found a bug
[02:16] <nomasteryoda> the only way my bluetooth mouse will work
[02:16] <Dr_willis> chuy_max,  thats part of the ide-subsystem changes. Its been sort of progressing that way for some time now.
[02:16]  * mcgrof wonders if he needs nvidia-glx-new or old
[02:16] <Dr_willis> chuy_max,  i have sevarel machines that the ide disks show as sd# now. On some of my machines they dont change. on ONEmachine the hd dident change but the cdrom did. :)
[02:16] <Dr_willis> mcgrof,  what video card?
[02:17] <RyanPrior> mcgrof: You need whichever one the Driver Manager picks, in all likelihod.
[02:19] <chuy_max> Dr_willis, my secondary hard disk, partition1  is not mountable in hardy heron, it has feisty in it with a broken grub (I boot it rarely, but mount it and use it for music, videos, etc.)
[02:20] <chuy_max> I booted feisty live cd, and I could mount it, I repaired grub and now I'm booting it
[02:21] <mcgrof> Dr_willis: GeForce 6100 nForce 430
[02:21] <Dr_willis> chuy_max,  try mounting it manually.
[02:21] <mcgrof> I was hoping to be able to convince my dad to stick to Linux
[02:21] <Dr_willis> mcgrof,  Not sre on that card. the !nvidia factoid had a link to the Nvidia list of what cards needed what drivers
[02:21] <chuy_max> Dr_willis, I did it, udev doesn't create sdb1 anymore
[02:21] <mcgrof> Dr_willis: I tried, both, and no go :-P
[02:21] <chuy_max> *I tried it
[02:21] <Dr_willis> mcgrof,  start printing out all the virus alerts :)
[02:21] <esox> any ideas to change ownership on usb external drive ?
[02:22] <mcgrof> Oh man..
[02:22] <Dr_willis> chuy_max,  no idea then.
[02:22] <Dr_willis> esox,  what filesystem is on the disk.
[02:22] <chuy_max> brb
[02:22] <mcgrof> esox: depends on the filesystem
[02:22] <mcgrof> esox: mount | grep mount_point
[02:23] <Dr_willis> for ext2/3 i normally make a directory on the filesystem and chown it to be owend by the main user i want to use the device.
[02:23] <Dr_willis> so the drive has only 1 folder in the root of the disk. "willis_storage"  (in my case)
[02:23] <esox> Dr_willis: fat
[02:24] <Dr_willis> for fat/ntfs - you MUST set the options when mounted to allow users to access the disk.
[02:24] <esox> Dr_willis: how do one do that (I didnt have that on gutsy) ?
[02:24] <Dr_willis> I got no idea about the automounting of fat filesystems. what tool does that. ntfs-config does it for ntfs/ntfs-3g, it may set it for fat also
[02:25] <Dr_willis> Could install/run ntfs-config, and check the 'allow users to access removeable disks' option and see if it helps
[02:25] <Dr_willis> UNmount the disk  then replug it inm and see if it kicks in.
[02:25] <esox> mcgrof: /dev/sdb1 on /media/LACIE type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=mixed,uid=0,utf8,umask=077,flush)
[02:25] <anubis26> hi
[02:25] <Dr_willis> note the uid=0, that means its owned by root.
[02:25] <anubis26> would anyone be able to help out with compiling a wifi driver (ralink rt73)?
[02:27] <anubis26> make keeps erroring out ( No rule to make target `arch/x86/kernel/asm-offsets.c', needed by `arch/x86/kernel/asm-offsets.s') and it seems as though a few people are having an issue with this
[02:28] <Daisuke-Laptop> uid=1000 then, doc?
[02:29] <zeyar> when i set up the camera in ubuntu 8.04,i saw this message  "could not connect to video device(/dev/video0).please check connection"
[02:32] <anubis26> anyone?
[02:32] <zeyar> me webcam is SN9C1xx pc camera
[02:32] <zeyar> i duno
[02:33] <anubis26> zeyar: did it work in your previous (stable) ubuntu installation or is it the first time you're trying it?
[02:34] <Sergeant_Pony> is there anyone here that know's about hardy Wireless setup's? I'm running a atheros AR242x 802.11abg wireless card and I have a few questions
[02:34] <zeyar> anubis26. yeah
[02:34] <McGod> I am running Hardy, I had finally gotten WPA2 to work with my wireless, I added a preup and predown to my interfaces file. I then restarted the computer and now when I login it goes through then gets stuck with a grey box in the top left with the beige background.
[02:34] <zeyar> i did it all is stable when i upgrade to 8.04
[02:34] <anubis26> i cant even get my wifi drivers compiled
[02:35] <anubis26> zeyar: did you try reinstalling the driver?
[02:35] <zeyar> yeah
[02:35] <zeyar> i did
[02:35] <anubis26> and thats all the error messages it gave? like it compiled fine?
[02:35] <zeyar> in this laptop i did at least 3 times
[02:36] <zeyar> nope
[02:36] <zeyar> nothing
[02:36] <zeyar> n ur?
[02:36] <zeyar> wht is wrong/
[02:36] <zeyar> wht version r u using?
[02:36] <McGod> How do I get save permission when using the live-cd
[02:37] <esox> Dr_willis: the weird stuf is that I can access with no problem my fat internal partitions...
[02:38] <zeyar> i didn't use with live -cd
[02:38] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone?
[02:38] <zeyar> yeah  Sergeant_Pony
[02:39] <zeyar> anybody use ubuntu 8.04?
[02:39] <anubis26> zeyar: i do
[02:39] <zeyar> gr8
[02:39] <Sergeant_Pony> zeyar: I compiled the drivers for the wireless card and it's working but when it connects to a wireless network it's pulling a wrong ip address...
[02:39] <IdleOne>  Sergeant_Pony gimme a sec I will get you a link
[02:40] <Dr_willis> esox,  internal may have a fstab entry. that ntfs-config tool has 2 check box's one for internal, one for external filesystems. I normally manually mount things. :) Im old-skool
[02:40] <IdleOne> Sergeant_Pony: what ip is it getting?
[02:40] <Sergeant_Pony> a 169 ip address
[02:40] <Dr_willis> perhaps its connecting to the neighbors network. :)
[02:41] <McGod> that sometimes means the DHCP didn't work
[02:41] <McGod> pre-up seemed to have messed me up
[02:41] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm.. it happenes to me even st home on my own network...
[02:41] <IdleOne> Sergeant_Pony: so it is picking up someone else ip in your neighborhood then
[02:41] <Zambezi> I don't have any sounds at all after yesterdays and tonights packages.
[02:42] <esox> Dr_willis: ok I think I sloved the problem !  unmounted the usb stick and I've asked for a password because it was considered mounted by an other owner, then I plugged it again and its ok now
[02:42] <Zambezi> Sound is like disabled.
[02:42] <zeyar> Zambezi
[02:42] <esox> Dr_willis: same for the usb HD
[02:42] <zeyar> u should set up the sound
[02:42] <Sergeant_Pony> idleone if I have it set for here why would it pick up something else.. could it be a channel issue?
[02:43] <zeyar>  Zambezi double click to sound
[02:43] <Zambezi> zeyar: I did, but it says there's no drivers.  I have a redicon over the mastervolume.
[02:43] <IdleOne> Sergeant_Pony: I am not certain to be honest
[02:43] <DanaG> 169 is link-local IP (like the "Automatic Private" in Windows)
[02:43] <tomahasamoot> My wife & I switch back and forth between VT's, and sometimes when my wife switches to her screen (ctrl+alt+f9), it will switch back to mine a few seconds later and my loggin has crash and kdm is up
[02:44] <Sergeant_Pony> idleone what get's me is I get the same ip address, the wrong one, even at home on wireless..
[02:44] <zeyar>  Zambezi  did set up the external amplifer?
[02:44] <tomahasamoot> ... it mainly only happens to my wife
[02:45] <zeyar>  Zambezi if you didn't,you couldn't get any sound
[02:45] <Zambezi> zeyar: It's been working all the time, just not since yesterday.
[02:46] <zeyar>  Zambezi did u change the sound driver?
[02:46] <tomahasamoot> I'm using an nVidia 8600 w/ latest driver,  I had the same problem in 7.10 (be less frequently)
[02:46] <IdleOne> Sergeant_Pony: your router setup properly? maybe have it assign a specific ip addy ? throwing out guesses here
[02:46] <zeyar> if u open the sound system ,u will c the sound devices
[02:47] <zeyar> u should set up in there
[02:47] <jbroome> !u | zeyar
[02:47] <ubotu> zeyar: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[02:47] <tomahasamoot> we're using KDE 3.5x
[02:47] <zeyar> sry
[02:48] <zeyar> i really apologize  for my spelling
[02:48] <IdleOne> lmao and sorry
[02:49] <RyanPrior> Compositing Compiz is awesome - why isn't it set to default?
[02:49] <RyanPrior> I said Compiz, but I meant Metacity.
[02:49] <Zambezi> zeyar: Not me of course.
[02:49] <tomahasamoot> zeyar: yeah, y u wanna b like dat?
[02:50] <tomahasamoot> :-)
[02:50] <RAOF> RyanPrior: Because it's slower for people without awesome drivers, and has some of the problems of Compiz?
[02:50] <zeyar> lol
[02:51] <RyanPrior> RAOF: I thought it didn't even need 3D drivers?
[02:51] <McGod> :(
[02:51] <zeyar>  Zambezi  did you change your sound device?
[02:51] <McGod> I can't connect to wireless nemore
[02:51] <RyanPrior> McGod: That's because you angered /dev/penguin
[02:53] <chuy> apparently, udev is not creating my dev files (/dev/sdb?), is it possible to do this while my pc is on?
[02:54] <chuy> sdb1 (ext3) and sdb2,sdb5 (extended, swap) are missing
[02:55] <DanaG> There may be a "reread partition table" command in hdparm.
[02:57] <RAOF> RyanPrior: It doesn't.  That doesn't mean that it's not (a) slow or (b) exposes the same sort of bugs as Compiz does.
[02:58] <Sergeant_Pony> idleone you here?
[02:58] <IdleOne> yes
[02:58] <McGod> :///
[02:58] <McGod> sudo gedit doesnt work for me
[02:58] <Sergeant_Pony> idleone: I don't know what I did but my wireless is working!
[02:58] <RyanPrior> RAOF: I guess that may be true - I don't understand the issues well enough.
[02:58] <IdleOne> Sergeant_Pony: :) dont undo anything you did that you dont know about doing lol
[02:59] <DanaG> !gksudo
[02:59] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[02:59] <Sergeant_Pony> the only thing I need to figure out is how to get it to run the mod on startup
[02:59] <RyanPrior> When I right click and left click at the same time, it middle clicks. Is there a way to disable that behaviour?
[02:59] <chuy> damn DanaG, you are the man, I'm bothering with this bug hours ago, I just had to re-check the partition table with hdparm, I can mount my partition now
[03:00] <DanaG> Always glad to help.
[03:00] <chuy> DanaG, do you have any clue on what package should I report this bug to?, maybe udev?
[03:00] <DanaG> Hmm, if the partition table itself was screwed up, then that's not a package bug.
[03:00] <chuy> DanaG, it is not screwed, I can mount it in feisty/gutsy/windows
[03:01] <IdleOne> Sergeant_Pony: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224349&highlight=acer_acpi check out this link may help
[03:01] <chuy> DanaG, without any trouble
[03:01] <Sergeant_Pony> idleone: thanks :)
[03:01] <IdleOne> still googling I'll see if I find something more
[03:01] <DanaG> Odd.
[03:01] <DanaG> I'm not sure where you'd report the bug.
[03:02] <IdleOne> Sergeant_Pony: 4th block of code should do it
[03:05] <derspankster> Either I totally don't understand PulseAudio or I don't have all of it.
[03:05] <IdleOne> wich is it?
[03:05] <Sergeant_Pony> idleone: ok, cool thanks
[03:05] <derspankster> good question
[03:05] <IdleOne> Sergeant_Pony: if you keep reading it tells you how to enable it on start up
[03:06] <IdleOne> Sergeant_Pony: hope that helps you . might have to edit a little but you can figure that out
[03:06] <derspankster> IdleOne: reading what?
[03:06] <IdleOne> derspankster: that was for Sergeant_Pony
[03:07] <derspankster> IdleOne: OK, sorry
[03:07] <IdleOne> np
[03:07] <IdleOne> derspankster: state your issue maybe someone can help
[03:07] <derspankster> I just finished my taxes and can't see straight
[03:07] <IdleOne> wife did my taxes 2 months ago
[03:08] <nai> hello
[03:08] <IdleOne> did done got my refund and spent it also
[03:08] <nai> anyone here that can help me?
[03:08] <IdleOne> hello nai
[03:08] <nai> hi
[03:08] <IdleOne> !ask | nai
[03:08] <ubotu> nai: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[03:08] <nai> ok sorry. thanks
[03:08] <nai> here is my problem
[03:09] <derspankster> IdleOne: not sure I have a problem but I see PulseAudio as an option but it doesn't seem to work if enabled
[03:10] <nai> I have been recently tryign to switch over to linux (ubuntu) and have used the wubi installed to get my ubuntu up and running. i can get the system updated with my video drivers and everything set up properly (i believe) but sometimes the system crashes and freezes (falshing caps lock light, and mouse cant move) forcing me to do a hard reboot. but when i reboot and try to load up ubuntu again it looks like its about
[03:12] <nai> anyone have any suggestions for that?
[03:12] <IdleOne> nai: your post was cut off
[03:13] <IdleOne> but when i reboot and try to load up ubuntu again it looks like its abou
[03:13] <IdleOne> that is where it was
[03:13] <nai> ok
[03:13] <nai> it looks like its about to load the desktop but just sits at a black blank screen
[03:13] <nai> but i know its on cuz i can change the brightness of the screen, ,turn caps lock on and off
[03:13] <nai> but i cant get the desktop to load
[03:14] <DanaG> Newest gnome-session seems broken for me; I went back one version on that package.
[03:15] <nai> so i dunno if there is a command i can use to get past that or what? :S
[03:15] <IdleOne> nai: try typing startx at the prompt
[03:15] <nai> so when it at the black screen
[03:15] <DanaG> Switch to vt1 (ctrl-alt-f1)
[03:15] <nai> i press alt+f1
[03:15] <DanaG> then xinit -- :1
[03:15] <nai> then type that camand?
[03:15] <DanaG> Log in first, of course.
[03:15] <DanaG> Startx works, too.
[03:16] <nai> but i get to the screen by alt+f1 tho right
[03:16] <DanaG> You'd still want startx -- :1 (to start a new x server)
[03:16] <IdleOne> nai: at the black screen ctrl+alt+f1 then login then type startx
[03:16] <nai> ok
[03:16] <nai> so startx       and xinit
[03:16] <IdleOne> DanaG: can you give him the exact sequence please
[03:17] <DanaG> startx is better, actually.
[03:17] <DanaG> Just startx.
[03:17] <nai> ok
[03:17] <nai> so at the black screen ctrl+alt f1   --> login --> type startx
[03:17] <nai> thanks
[03:17] <nai> is there a reason why it does this?
[03:18] <Fritzel``> alright knotify finally gave me something to work with, when I logged in this time I got this message http://pastebin.com/d3741355b
[03:19] <Fritzel``> if I disable aRts (no clue what that is, but I think it's sound related) will I have less troubles with KNotify crashing on logout?
[03:20] <nai> just wondering is there any reason why my OS freezes like that?
[03:20] <IdleOne> Fritzel`: maybe
[03:20] <owen1> how do i fix firefox-2 fonts? i can barely see anything...
[03:20] <Fritzel``> IdleOne: if I disable it will I loose sound?
[03:20] <iro> hmm guys anyone knows anything about virtual box?
[03:21] <owen1> iro: yes. it's great app.
[03:21] <iro> i get en error ;(
[03:21] <owen1> iro: what do u needL
[03:21] <owen1> ?
[03:21] <IdleOne> Fritzel`: I would guess so.
[03:21] <iro> VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED).
[03:21] <IdleOne> errr
[03:22] <McGod> :/
[03:22] <McGod> my DHCP no longer works
[03:22] <IdleOne> nai: if you really want to give ubuntu a shot I suggest you try a dualboot
[03:22] <owen1> iro: do u use the sun version or the other one?
[03:22] <IdleOne> !dualboot | nai
[03:22] <ubotu> nai: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[03:22] <iro> ummm sudo apt-get install virtualbox one :P
[03:22] <Zambezi> It's annoying I don't have any sound when I'm watching Stanley cup!
[03:22] <nai> i have dual boot
[03:23] <pawan> hi
[03:23] <virtuald> hora@leksak:~$ sudo LC_MESSAGES=C whois 130.239.17.6
[03:23] <virtuald> getaddrinfo(whois.arin.net): Servname not supported for ai_socktype
[03:23] <nai> im using windows nwo
[03:23] <pawan> when is the new version coming out
[03:23] <virtuald> anyone else getting this?
[03:23] <DanaG> MAC is incorrect.
[03:23] <virtuald> without sudo
[03:23] <DanaG> It should be "Mac".
[03:23] <IdleOne> nai: yes but you have a wubi dual boot. I mean actually installing ubuntu to the hard drive on it's own partition
[03:23] <owen1> fonts are terrible on firefox 2. can anyone help?
[03:23] <DanaG> After all, I don't own any apple hardware, but my laptop does have two MACs: one wired and one wireless.
[03:23] <nai> ok so that makes a big difference
[03:24] <iro> owen1: idk which one i use apt-get to ge tit
[03:24] <Zambezi> "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found" when I doubleclick mastervolume.
[03:24] <DanaG> (extremely nerdy joke, if even a joke at all)
[03:24] <Fritzel``> you can do a wubi dual boot? how does that work? I would have thought windows would have been stubborn about resizing on the fly
[03:24] <owen1> iro: i use the version from sun. try it.
[03:24] <adred> hi, i have just installed ati driver via restricted driver manager. how would i check if 3D is fully enabled?
[03:24] <iro> owen1: where do i get it from ?
[03:25] <owen1> iro: it comes with some additional stuff, i think.
[03:25] <owen1> sun's website
[03:25] <iro> kk
[03:25] <Fritzel``> adred: I generally check by "glxinfo |grep direct" and look for a "Yes" but I'm not sure if that's obsolete, or even ati relative
[03:26] <tlp> That's what I do, Fritzel``
[03:26] <McGod> ://
[03:27] <IdleOne> that works for me
[03:27] <McGod> I cannot bring up gedit in root
[03:27] <DanaG> I grep -i rend, instead.
[03:27] <McGod> gksudo or sudo
[03:27] <iro> owen1 OSE or binaries?
[03:27] <owen1> iro: binaries
[03:27] <iro> owen1: they have no ubuntu 8.04... which one shoould i choosE?
[03:28] <adred> Fritzel: it says yes. is there a tool in ubuntu hardy to download eye candy themes? like emerald?
[03:28] <owen1> iro: 7.04
[03:28] <iro> kk
[03:28] <iro> not 7.10 :P ?
[03:28] <owen1> iro: the great feature it has is the ability to share the content of the vm.
[03:28] <owen1> iro: sorry 7.10
[03:28] <Black_Magic> sudo: unable to execute /sbin/dhclient: Permission denied
[03:28] <Black_Magic> ?
[03:29] <Black_Magic> it didnt even ask for a password i tried sudo -i then doing it too
[03:29] <Black_Magic> -bash: /sbin/dhclient: Permission denied
[03:29] <owen1> iro: my /home is accessable to my xp vm!
[03:29] <adred> Fritzel'': it says yes. is there a tool in ubuntu hardy to download eye candy themes? like emerald?
[03:29] <iro> owen1 i did that with VMware
[03:29] <iro> owen1 but i can;t install it now not supported yet
[03:29] <owen1> iro: mm..ok (-:
[03:30] <Zambezi> I'm impatient and I want sound now so I installed all with gstreamer. :-P
[03:30] <iro> owen1 so i need a quick alternative to convert videos to my MP3 player :P
[03:30] <Black_Magic> Zambezi: Would you happen to have digital sound?
[03:30] <iro> owen1 and some web design :P but can i install os on it or does it have to be installed already?
[03:30] <owen1> guys, please help with crappy fonts in firefox.
[03:30] <Black_Magic> or a toshiba
[03:31] <owen1> iro: u can install any os u want, i think.
[03:31] <Zambezi> Black_Magic: Just a soundcard from 2002, so guess not and everything worked until yesterday.
[03:31] <Black_Magic> :/ well i had a digital sound card and had to use
[03:31] <Zambezi> Black_Magic: And I'm watching Stanley cup and I want to do so with sounds.
[03:31] <Black_Magic> Digital Option
[03:32] <iro> owen1 what do you mean crappy :P
[03:32] <Black_Magic> instead of PCM
[03:32] <Black_Magic> but i dunno how to do that now because its PulseAudio
[03:32] <owen1> iro: it's hard to read..
[03:32] <Zambezi> Black_Magic: Maybe I can activate my onboard soundcard.
[03:32] <owen1> iro: not sure why. very bright and spacious.
[03:32] <tomahasamoot> when switching VTs, sometimes my loggin crashes and dumps back into kdm
[03:32] <tomahasamoot> there is a delay of a couple seconds after switching, then it spontainously switches back... and the loggin is gone
[03:32] <tomahasamoot> this is between VT7 and VT9, using the ctrl+alt+fx hotkey
[03:32] <tomahasamoot> I'm on kubuntu 8.04 amd64 with an nVidia 8600 (using the "real" driver)  I had the same problem on 7.10, but less less frequently
[03:33] <iro> owen1 did u try to modify the CSS for the browseR?
[03:33] <owen1> iro: no. how do i get info about this?
[03:34] <iro> owen1 i'm not sure about firefox3 but u should try preferences/content first then u can get a developers toolbar and turn off the website's CSS if u can't read it, it will show up as black text :P
[03:34] <IdleOne> words to live by: Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night
[03:34] <IdleOne> ooops wrong channel
[03:35] <owen1> iro: it's firefox2
[03:35] <iro> oh cuz i'm in 8.04 it is 3 here :P
[03:36] <iro> owen1 let me check quickly
[03:36] <owen1> iro: firefox3 dosn't support my favorite rss reader - sage...
[03:37] <Sergeant_Pony> idleone you still here?
[03:37] <iro> :P
[03:37] <IdleOne> Sergeant_Pony: shoot
[03:37] <iro> owen1 http://www.techspot.com/guides/44-firefox2-tweak-guide/page19.html this might help
[03:37] <Sergeant_Pony> I went thu the webpage real quick... it will help so I can load the 2 mods on boot-up.
[03:37] <owen1> iro: ok. thank
[03:37] <owen1> iro: s
[03:37] <DanaG> Hmm, northbridge overheating..... well, that's one possible explanation for those freezes I was getting.
[03:38] <iro> owen1 hope it helps
[03:38] <DanaG> I opened my laptop and found the heatpipe thingy NOT CONTACTING the chip.
[03:38] <IdleOne> Sergeant_Pony: glad it helped
[03:38] <DanaG> Anybody know where I can get some good thermal tape?  It has to be tape to fill the 0.5 to 1mm gap Gateway left.
[03:39] <Sergeant_Pony> IdleOne: thanks again I appreciate it.
[03:39] <IdleOne> Sergeant_Pony: my pleasure
[03:39] <macogw> DanaG: thermal tape?  whats that for?
[03:39] <IdleOne> DanaG: any place they sell elctrical supplies
[03:39] <DanaG> It needs to be good, not just cheapo generic.
[03:40] <iro> owen1 how do i start it up i installed but i see no icon ;(
[03:41] <Sergeant_Pony> be back later!
[03:43] <owen1> iro: try virtualbox from terminal
[03:43] <iro> owen1 The program 'virtualbox' is currently not installed.
[03:43] <owen1> iro: V not v
[03:44] <iro> owen1 command not found
[03:44] <owen1> iro: VirtualBox
[03:44] <iro> owen1 something showed up :P
[03:44] <owen1> iro: coool
[03:45] <iro> owen1 now lets see what it can do "{
[03:45] <iro> :P
[03:45] <owen1> iro: look for an icon under system tools
[03:45] <iro> owen1 not there maybe after restart
[03:45] <iro> umm error :P
[03:46] <iro> owen1 i need to log out
[03:47] <IamReck> Hey, I am having trouble getting Custom Desktop effects working, the only error message I am getting is "Desktop Effects could not be enabled."
[03:47] <Fritzel``> you know what you really and truely start to appreciate linux when you pull off 60fps in wow at the same time you're running an mmo server (granted no one is connected but regardless) and your processor has itsself underclocked by almost a ghz
[03:49] <iro> owen1 now installing that shitty OS :P called windows
[03:52] <owen1> iro: yes...the same here. just for quickbooks.
[03:52] <iro> :P
[03:53] <owen1> iro: gnuCash is not there yet..i tried.
[03:53] <iro> owen1 i have 11 and i need to wake up for school tomorrow so this Os better speed it up
[03:53] <iro> owen1 uuu ;(
[03:54] <iro> owen1 i set it to a dynamic size thing right and to 2GB but it will expand if it needs to right?
[03:54] <owen1> iro: yes. that's what it say..
[03:54] <iro> owen1 i never trust it :P
[03:55] <iro> BTW anyone knows why firefox3 is mega slow on my myspace profile ? but if click home it is fine
[03:57] <jbroome> iro: probably all the javascript and crap on MS
[03:57] <iro> could be ....
[03:57] <iro> might have to use Windows for it
[03:57] <jbroome> enjoy
[03:57] <iro> but i still can;t play gmaes over virtualbox right?
[03:58] <DanaG> myspace sucks and is full of Flash, most likely.
[03:58] <iro> well mine is alittle more "pimped out"
[03:58] <iro> i did it myself ;P
[03:58] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the dynamic-expanding thing sets the MAX size.
[03:58] <DanaG> So 2GB might not be enough.
[03:59] <iro> oh shit ;P
[03:59] <iro> now u tell me
[03:59] <DanaG> You can make a new VDI and use the LiveCD in the VM to clone with gparted.
[03:59] <Ravenkin> Upgraded to Hardy and I lost sound, any suggestions?
[03:59] <akk> myspace pages tend to have tables built around huge slow-loading images
[04:00] <iro> Ravenkin same thing happened here i took out the sound card and put it back in and it worked
[04:00] <Ravenkin> irc can't do that it's onboard sound
[04:01] <iMatter> How do i add files to proftpd?
[04:01] <iMatter> i tried adding a file to /home/ftp
[04:01] <iMatter> didnt work
[04:01] <iMatter> the file didnt show up on the page
[04:02] <iro> Ravenkin hmm weird.... maybe in Bios turn it off and then reboot and turn it on
[04:02] <Ravenkin> Is there like a device manager in Ubuntu?
[04:06] <iro> owen1 i think fixed size is better
[04:06] <iro> owen1 mcuh faster
[04:07] <iro> hmm u guys know why after installing my proprietary drivers i boot up to a Black screen of doom?
[04:08] <usser> hey guys anybody here uses intel 3945 wireless chipset i stumbled into a rather annoying bug
[04:08] <iro> sryy i'm fan of wires...
[04:09] <usser> that one http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1522
[04:09] <usser> anybody seen anything like it
[04:09] <ubotu> www.intellinuxwireless.org bug 1522 in WPA & WPA2 "[iwl4965 & iwl3945] Can't connect to network with IEEE8021X security" [Major,Assigned]
[04:09] <usser> seems like the issue with the kernel cause old gutsy's work just fine
[04:09] <usser> oh cool
[04:10] <usser> gotta give it to you guys hardy is awesome!!
[04:11] <usser> thanks for all the hard work
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> iro,  way folks at pauldotcom tell it, wired is the only way to be sure you don't get p0wned
[04:11] <iro> :P
[04:11] <owen1> iro: why is it faster?
[04:11] <iro> noif i'm on wireless i get higher pings in world of warcraft :P
[04:12] <iro> owen1 wireless = 50mb/s wire 100mb/s  +
[04:12]  * DanaG can't use WIne because it doesn't support surround sound -- at least on my Audigy2.
[04:13] <f0rmat> i see the beta version of ubuntu still has the same problem as 7.10 in the fact that when i play music nautilus failz and doesn't show directory listings it just starts when i double click within the file manager all the icons start turning white
[04:16] <macogw> f0rmat: huh?
[04:18] <iro> owen1 i ended up downloading firefox 2 ;)
[04:18] <f0rmat> before when i played like 5 different tracks of music when i whent to click an icon in the file manager it would turn the icon white when i tried to open a folder after that it would say unable to view files then after i couldn't even see that i can't open a file manager
[04:21] <macogw> er...i dont recall having any nautilus issues after using rhythmbox...
[04:23] <f0rmat> well i dunno i use Movie Player as it is default i just double click the track and it opens within Movie player
[04:23] <MrKeuner> can I log vino connections(any attempts) in 8.04.24?
[04:24] <tlp> I've got issues with PulseAudio and Rhythmbox. Changing workspaces causes the audio to stutter. Seems the only way to fix it is to disable pulseaudio.
[04:32] <sypher7> ﻿anyone aware of issues with seahorse in hardy? i have my ssh key setup properly in seahorse, but when i connect to a server to use it, i get prompted for the ssh key passphrase inside the terminal
[04:35] <Ravenkin> After installing Hardy I lost sound, any suggestions?
[04:37] <lucian> how do i upgrade to 8.04 using apt?
[04:39] <iro> update-manager -devel -releas
[04:39] <iro> -release*
[04:39] <lucian> thnx
[04:39] <iro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[04:39] <prakriti> i just upgraded to ubuntu+1
[04:40] <prakriti> but I didn't get a new kernel
[04:40] <bluefoxx> yea...the driver for my nobo's onboard networking is shot. every time i try to use it i get a kernel panic and crash to reset button...can i get some help? maybe give info on it?
[04:40] <iro> lucian: so alt+F2 and update-manager --devel-release
[04:40] <prakriti> I got a new kernel
[04:40] <prakriti> but it didn't put it in grub
[04:40] <iro> me too
[04:40] <iro> lols
[04:40] <iro> how come?
[04:40] <prakriti> is there a quick way to update grub?
[04:41] <bluefoxx> i want to use the onboard to connect instead of my wifi as my torrents keep saying theyre unregistered...and wont download
[04:43] <iro> so u guys like 7.10 better or 8.04?
[04:44] <bluefoxx> and fucking transmission disconnects me from everything else whenever i try and use it. im getting a *little* annoyed here.
[04:44] <bluefoxx> oop
[04:44] <iro> use utorrent :P
[04:44] <iro> that's what i use
[04:44] <DanaG> You can ndiswrap wired network drivers.
[04:44] <bluefoxx> im too lazy. sides i allready have some files downloading
[04:44] <bluefoxx> DanaG: ??
[04:45] <hackel> Has anyone gotten sound working with virt-manager/libvirt/qemu?
[04:45] <iro> en ingels profavor ?
[04:45] <owen1> iro: why did u get ff2?
[04:45] <iro> owen1 firefox 3 lagged my ass of
[04:45] <owen1> iro: ok..
[04:45] <iro> owen1 took me only 4 minutes to scroll down a page
[04:45] <DanaG> You can use ndiswrapper with Windows wired ethernet drivers.
[04:46] <bluefoxx> DanaG: the drivvers for my onboard chipset worked fine in gutsy, cant they just be ported over? it allways kind of just worked and i never had to do anything to it...now its as buggy as all hell. and the hardware is fine, i inspected it and tested it on a gutsy boot disk even
[04:46] <owen1> guys, what mp3 app do u use. from some reason the default app is totem, which can't even play mp3...
[04:46] <converge_> Starting a Kubuntu 8.04 installation on my laptop.. after the kubuntu progress bar goes back and forth, I arrive to a blue screen with a mouse where I would usually see an option to select my language..But I see no dialog boxes, only a mouse which I can move around..
[04:46] <converge_> nothing happens. any ideas?
[04:47] <iro> owen1 first thing i do is uninstall totem install mplayer and gnome player
[04:47] <owen1> iro: why?
[04:47] <iro> and then gnome player will be default
[04:47]  * bluefoxx is away: /nick bluefoxx|away
[04:47] <iro> cuz totem cux ass :P
[04:47] <xtknight> what's diff between kern.log, messages, and syslog?
[04:48]  * bluefoxx is back (gone 00:00:37)
[04:48] <owen1> is mplayer it the repositories?
[04:48] <iro> yeah
[04:48] <xtknight> !info mplayer | owen1
[04:48] <bluefoxx> ok...hardinfo is broken
[04:48] <ubotu> owen1: mplayer (source: mplayer): The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:1.0~rc2-0ubuntu13 (hardy), package size 4244 kB, installed size 9892 kB
[04:48] <iro> owen1 sudo apt-get install mplayer
[04:48] <owen1> ok.
[04:49] <bluefoxx> bluefoxx@azUre-prIDE:~$ hardinfo -r|Computer Summary|Segmentation fault (core dumped)|
[04:49] <owen1> iro: and gnome player is for movies?
[04:49] <iro> yeah
[04:49] <converge_> aight
[04:49] <bluefoxx> the | is in place of a enter
[04:49] <converge_> screw ubu
[04:49] <bluefoxx> all it gives me
[04:49] <converge_> back to windows i guess
[04:50] <iro> owen1 it can't play mkv tho that's why u use mplayer :P
[04:50] <frosty_11> hello
[04:51] <dot22> hi, i've installed the beta but apt-get doesn't find any packages, is there something i should do?
[04:51] <frosty_11> i was wondering if anyone could hep me on the dual boot matter
[04:51] <dot22> things like svn
[04:51] <cyclonut> frosty_11: the dual boot matter?
[04:52] <frosty_11> i plan to dual boot ubuntu and xp,i have two partitions, c: and e: i was wondering if i could install ubuntu on my e: partition
[04:52] <owen1> iro: mplayer donsn't seem to play my mp3 and it refuses to close..
[04:52] <cyclonut> frosty_11: you should reformat it as a proper filesystem
[04:52] <cyclonut> as it is probably in there as ntfs
[04:52] <iro> u have Gstreamers?
[04:52] <cyclonut> frosty_11: but, you could very well install it on that partition
[04:52] <frosty_11> yes it is in ntfs
[04:52] <iro> owen1 it might be the problem
[04:52] <owen1> iro: yes
[04:52] <cyclonut> frosty_11: ntfs stinks.
[04:53] <frosty_11> i was trying to install it there  but i cant, it say i cant acces it.
[04:53] <converge_> 6.06 is better than this POS
[04:53] <frosty_11> any suggestions?
[04:53] <iro> owen1 weird..... i din't play many mp3 here yet
[04:53] <cyclonut> frosty_11: boot from the live cd
[04:53] <cyclonut> dont use the wubi installer
[04:54] <dot22> oh, apt-get update solved it
[04:54] <iro> owen1 try sudo apt-get install gnome-mplayer
[04:54] <owen1> iro: ok, vlc can play it.
[04:54] <frosty_11> yes i did that already,but the partitioner said guided:increase adjust space and use the largest space possible
[04:54] <cyclonut> frosty_11: there are other options there.
[04:54] <frosty_11> can i just install it on my e: drive
[04:55] <cyclonut> thats what the other options are for
[04:55] <cyclonut> but
[04:55] <cyclonut> I would repartition your C and E drive into one
[04:55] <cyclonut> then resize your C drive while installing
[04:55] <cyclonut> you wont be able to see your linux partition from windows anyhow, but you'll still be able to see winddows from your linux partition
[04:55] <frosty_11> what if i remove e: using disk management in windows and install it there
[04:56] <frosty_11> would it work?
[04:56] <cyclonut> just stick it back together with your C partition
[04:56] <Fritzel``> can anyone make any suggestions for a game I may not have heard of for linux? (outside fo the repos, or wine compatible are fine)
[04:57] <cyclonut> neverwinter nights?
[04:57] <frosty_11> well that would eat up all of my space?i mean i would like to just keep xp on c: and ubuntu on e:
[04:57] <Fritzel``> good game but not my style of play, it always feels like it's going to slow for me
[04:57] <iro> BALDUR's (Freaking) GATE
[04:57] <cyclonut> iro: amen.
[04:57] <Fritzel``> slower than neverwinter ^^
[04:57] <Fritzel``> but also a good game
[04:58] <iro> hmm u have Cedega?
[04:58] <cyclonut> frosty_11: no, you tell the installer how much space to take up
[04:58] <Fritzel``> not at the moment but what were you thinking of ?
[04:58] <cyclonut> frosty_11: so, you could tell ubuntu to use exactly the same about of space as your E drive currently is
[04:58] <cyclonut> frosty_11: you just drag the little bar in the partition screen (while in the ubuntu installer)
[04:59] <frosty_11> ok ill try ur suggestion
[04:59] <cyclonut> frosty_11: Also, it seems like you are new to linux. I'd stick with the stable version (7.10, not 8.04)
[04:59] <prakriti> does anybody know how to regenerate grub.conf?
[04:59] <frosty_11> thanks
[05:00] <Fritzel> grub-install maybe? that's a guess
[05:00] <Fritzel> iro: what game did you have in mind when you mentioned Cedega?
[05:00] <prakriti> grub writes the boot sector
[05:00] <prakriti> grub-install
[05:00] <prakriti> i mean
[05:01] <iro> Fritzel: Dungeon Siege or WoW :P
[05:01] <rycole> hey all. how would i upgrade from gutsy, to hardy?
[05:01] <prakriti> I'm talking about the ubuntu script that builds menu.lst
[05:01] <rycole> without reformatting.
[05:01] <Fritzel> hmm I have Dungeon Siege 2 here does it run on wine / cedega?
[05:01] <cyclonut> rycole: sudo apt-get dist-upgrage
[05:01] <prakriti> I just upgraded and it didn't get updated
[05:01] <Fritzel> and I need a break from wow
[05:01] <iro> Fritzel: it runs on cedega
[05:01] <cyclonut> Fritzel: I believe it does
[05:01] <rycole> cyclonut: that's it?
[05:01] <iro> Fritzel: i tested on Cedega :P
[05:01] <rycole> that easy? :P
[05:02]  * cyclonut cant play WoW since 2.4 patch :(
[05:02] <cyclonut> rycole: your quetsion is google-able
[05:02] <cyclonut> so you know
[05:02]  * cyclonut throws the feeding spoon away
[05:02] <Fritzel> iro hmm DS2 shows up as platinum on wine, good call ^^ that'll work
[05:03] <cyclonut> now I want DS2
[05:03] <iro> torrentz.com
[05:03] <cyclonut> eaaasy with that.
[05:03] <Fritzel> it's a MS product so I never even considered it might work
[05:03] <cyclonut> Fritzel: MS products have to run on that OS of theirs anyhow, wine should take care of it nicely
[05:04] <iro> Well i know mutli player won;t work at all and in DS over wine if u click on it will crash the game ^_^
[05:04] <cyclonut> lol
[05:04] <Fritzel> well it wouldn't run Freelancer, so I never even thought of a more recent game
[05:05] <cyclonut> Fritzel: you could also break out a classic.... worms :)
[05:05] <cyclonut> I just fount my worms world party disc
[05:05] <Fritzel> haha that's a true classic ^^
[05:05] <cyclonut> I lost a lot of hours of my life to that game :-P
[05:06] <Fritzel> is worms commercial or free I can't even remember
[05:06] <Kl4m> comm
[05:06] <Kl4m> Of course there is a FLOSS clone with penguins somewhere on the net
[05:07] <cyclonut> bleh
[05:07] <cyclonut> I love tux and all but I despise him in games
[05:07] <Fritzel> now if my cdrom will just read the disc's I'll be in good shape
[05:08] <iro> umm help! virtual box
[05:08] <iro> i can't install anythin
[05:08] <iro> says: The InstallShield Engine iKernel.exe could not be installed
[05:09] <iro> and i can;t go any further with any installation over VirtualBox ;(
[05:09] <Kl4m> iro: virtualbox on hardy? you're asking for trouble
[05:09] <iro> well
[05:09] <iro> i need it
[05:09] <iro> :P
[05:09] <iro> wine doesn't want to install it either
[05:10] <iro> wine gives me the same message ;(
[05:10] <Kl4m> There are too many kernel changes for the vbox maintainers to always keep up it seems
[05:10] <Fritzel> hmph, my drive won't read the discs :/ so much for ds2
[05:11] <iro> wtf?
[05:11] <iMatter> Erm im getting errors from Mysql
[05:12] <evand> cyclonut: why did you tell frosty_11 to not use Wubi?
[05:13] <cyclonuts> iro: do you have the min specs for DS2?
[05:13] <evand> cyclonuts: why did you tell frosty_11 to not use Wubi?
[05:13] <Fritzel> hang on cyclonuts I have the box right here
[05:14] <iro> not sure what u mean
[05:14] <iro> u mean requirements?
[05:14] <cyclonuts> evand: because I've heard war stories about wubi
[05:14] <h3sp4wn> iro: Just get the gutsy deb direct from - innotek
[05:14] <cyclonuts> evand: and the regular installer works great
[05:14] <iro> h3sp4wn: thats what i got
[05:14] <cyclonuts> evand: I was trying to simplify things so that more people could help
[05:14] <h3sp4wn> iro: Works fine here
[05:14] <iMatter> Im gfetting errors with Mysql
[05:14] <iMatter> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[05:14] <cyclonuts> Fritzel: thanks
[05:15] <Fritzel> cyclonuts: 1.8ghz 512MB, 1.5GB space, ATI Radeon 7500 or Nvidia 5750 or better
[05:15] <iro> h3sp4wn: i get ikernel.exe error
[05:15] <iMatter> i went to /var/run/mysqld and there is no mysqld.sock
[05:15] <Fritzel> and those are based on windows xp
[05:15] <evand> cyclonuts: such as?  It's better to encourage people to try and file bug reports if they run into issues, and this counts for all parts of ubuntu, otherwise the problems will never get fixed.
[05:15] <iMatter> i tried to locate it too no luck
[05:16] <cyclonuts> evand: point taken. However, he did not seem like the type to file a bug report, as he didnt have the first clue of what was going on
[05:16] <cyclonuts> if you noticed, I recommended that he use a stable version and avoid hardy altogether
[05:16] <cyclonuts> Fritzel: cool, thanks
[05:16] <Fritzel> yep you bet
[05:16] <owen1> i want to create a backup. should i get /home and /usr or /home is enough?
[05:17] <Fritzel> now back to finding something to play
[05:17] <evand> cyclonuts: Everyone can file a bug report.  Even if it's just "I tried this and this happened", it's a start and gives us a point of contact.
[05:17] <h3sp4wn> iro: Remembered to rebuild the kernel module when you get a new kernel right ?
[05:17] <Fritzel> hmm I wonder if black and white2 runs
[05:17] <Fritzel> meh
[05:17] <iro> h3sp4wn: no idea with kernels man i never touvh that ... ;P
[05:17] <evand> cyclonuts: Mind you, I don't mind people suggesting that users stick to stable releases.
[05:17] <h3sp4wn> iro: sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv status
[05:17] <evand> If they're concerned about data loss, etc.
[05:18] <cyclonuts> evand: I was thinking more on the individual help level rather than the community. For that, I was wrong, but I think he'll get through things smoother this way, and in the end possibly become a more valuable user.
[05:18] <h3sp4wn> If its not loaded then - sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup (shoudl fix it)
[05:18] <iro> itsays it is
[05:18] <cyclonuts> but again, point taken.
[05:18] <owen1> what should i save for a backup?
[05:18] <iro> owen1 i used to save /home
[05:18] <Fritzel> I have oblivion here but my dvdrom is worse than my cdrom :/
[05:18] <evand> cyclonuts: Fair enough.  Do you happen to have links to the reports of the Wubi war stories, or was this on IRC?
[05:18] <owen1> iro: will it keep all the setting of the apps u use?
[05:19] <cyclonuts> nothing I've tracked
[05:19] <evand> ok
[05:19] <iro> owen1 when i reinstalled and kept the home partition untouched it had all the settings ;P even log files for IM :P
[05:20] <owen1> iro: cool
[05:20] <owen1> iro: but u had to install all the apps, right?
[05:20] <iro> owen 1 yes but the configs were saved
[05:21] <h3sp4wn> !cloen
[05:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cloen - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <Fritzel> is there any form of simulation game out there, similar to simcity that is as complicated?
[05:21] <h3sp4wn> !clone
[05:21] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> owen1: ^^ - that and a few backups of /home and you should be fine
[05:23] <owen1> h3sp4wn: great. can i try it with an ubuntu vm?
[05:23] <iMatter> Anyone can help me?
[05:24] <owen1> h3sp4wn: what about /etc ?
[05:25] <jbroome> didn't know about !clone, that's pretty sweet
[05:25] <cyclonuts> Fritzel: I feel like you can get sim city 2k for free now
[05:25] <cyclonuts> or its compiled for linux or something
[05:25] <cyclonuts> I just remember reading about it... hold on
[05:25] <iro1> muahahahah that would be fun :P
[05:25] <Fritzel> oh please tell me I can that's what I really want to play
[05:26] <cyclonuts> http://lincity-ng.berlios.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[05:26] <Fritzel> I tried lincity, unfortunatly it fought with me the whole time
[05:27] <cyclonuts> bummer
[05:27] <Fritzel> I might be able to give it another shot but I'd prefer the real deal if I can find it
[05:27] <cyclonuts> Fritzel: http://maketecheasier.com/city-simulation-game-for-linux/2008/02/07
[05:27] <cyclonuts> micropolis
[05:28] <Fritzel> thank you I'll try that one out in a minute
[05:29] <cyclonuts> im trying lincity now
[05:29] <cyclonuts> its in the repos...
[05:30] <Fritzel> the only real complaints I had about lincity is that (imo) the scrolling area around the sides of the screen are too large, and I couldn't figure out what I needed, other than that I can't complain much about it
[05:30] <cyclonuts> hmm
[05:30] <cyclonuts> I wasnt a huge sim-city guy way back when, but we'll see how I like it this time around
[05:35] <XceII> is there a way to add shoutcast to rythmbox?
[05:37] <h3sp4wn> owen1: Yep you can try it - You shouldn't change things in /etc
[05:37] <h3sp4wn> owen1: Well if you can avoid it
[05:40] <Fritzel> is there a way to do a reset on a cdrom (similar to a reboot) without actually rebooting?
[05:41] <Fritzel> alright I'll brb then
[05:46] <cyclonuts> Fritzel: quite enjoying lincity :)
[05:47] <Fritzel> II may give it another shot if railroad tycoon 3 doesnt' install
[05:48] <h3sp4wn> I have been playing = Beneath a steel sky - glad that was added
[05:50] <Fritzel> we have a winner ^^
[05:54] <bluefoxx> erm...how do i install ndiswrapper?or drivers with ndiswrapper rather...
[05:55] <cyclonuts> google. it is friendly
[05:55] <bluefoxx> -. -i just spent the last half hour or so sifting through it's 'friendlieness'.
[05:56] <BBlake> Hello, is anyone willing to try and help me with installation woes on a laptop?
[05:56] <BBlake> Basically, it craps out when trying to write the partition table. However, Vector Linux can get through that stage and install successfully.
[05:56] <bluefoxx> im well aware google exists, however i am tired and cant find a simple step by step[do this, type in this, install this by doing this...that kind of thing]
[05:57] <DanaG> install ndiswrapper-utils, then go to directory with inf, then sudo ndiswrapper -i (name of inf file)
[05:57] <DanaG> Then modprobe ndiswrapper to make sure it doesn't cause a panic.
[06:05] <Fritzel> what kind of device is /dev/sg0?
[06:05] <Fritzel> 21, 0 major/ minor
[06:05] <FAJALO1> hello
[06:05] <Fritzel> or better yet, how do I find that out myself
[06:05] <FAJALO1> i don't know how to start even
[06:05] <FAJALO1> one what should the kernels be?
[06:05] <FAJALO1> for hardy
[06:06] <Fritzel> I don't know that I understand your question perfectly, but I'm running 2.6.24-15-generic on hardy if that's a help?
[06:07] <FAJALO1> ok yes it does
[06:07] <FAJALO1> b/c see my kernels didn't update
[06:07] <FAJALO1> and i don't know why
[06:07] <FAJALO1> so i installed the new kernels and used grub to boot in the new kernels
[06:07] <FAJALO1> and then ndiswrapper didn't work
[06:08] <FAJALO1> im on wireless.
[06:08] <FAJALO1> and my nvidia card isn't even showing up on my system,
[06:08] <ethana2> broadcom chipset?
[06:08] <FAJALO1> broadcom?
[06:08] <FAJALO1> no
[06:08] <ethana2> wifi?
[06:08] <ethana2> oh, ok
[06:08] <ethana2> hmmmm
[06:09] <FAJALO1> it's working on my manual configuration for the kernels below it.
[06:09] <FAJALO1> that's what im on now
[06:09] <FAJALO1> but my graphics card is what i want the most
[06:09] <FAJALO1> nvidia geforce 6200
[06:10] <FAJALO1> but my kernels are messed up too
[06:10] <FAJALO1> so ethana2 what should i do
[06:10] <ethana2> hmm
[06:10] <ethana2> I don't know, all intel and ati here
[06:11] <FAJALO1> ok.... im just really confused,
[06:11] <ethana2> wait two weeks?
[06:11] <FAJALO1> what?
[06:11] <ethana2> ...nevermind.
[06:11] <FAJALO1> b/c i was up until 1 local time trying to figure this out, to no avail
[06:11] <ethana2> yeah
[06:11] <ethana2> sorry, I don't know
[06:11] <FAJALO1> im gonna download from nvidia's website
[06:12] <ethana2> I don't have any hardware that needs restricted drivers
[06:12] <ethana2> ok
[06:12] <ethana2> good luck
[06:12] <FAJALO1> yah really
[06:12] <Fritzel> hmm should a burner have rw permissions to my login?
[06:12] <Fritzel> er not a burner
[06:12] <Fritzel> a cdrom
[06:12] <Fritzel> crw-rw---- 1 root root 21, 0 2008-04-10 00:42 /dev/sg0
[06:12] <Fritzel> I'm getting an access denied on that
[06:16] <FAJALO1> ok how can i downgrade back to gutsy?
[06:16] <FAJALO1> b/c this is making me mad and stressed.
[06:16] <FAJALO1> i can't do it right now
[06:16] <cyclonuts> FAJALO1: not possible :-\
[06:17] <FAJALO1> it has to be
[06:17] <cyclonuts> FAJALO1: thats why they say not to put hardy on a production/important machine
[06:17] <cyclonuts> FAJALO1: you could format and start with feisty from scratch
[06:17] <FAJALO1>  gutsy
[06:17] <FAJALO1> i would start from gutsy
[06:17] <cyclonuts> guty, feisty, sorry
[06:17] <FAJALO1> but even gutsy gave me problems
[06:17] <FAJALO1> getting my monitor etc set up.
[06:18] <FAJALO1> see right now is what's happening is that i run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:18] <FAJALO1> in terminal
[06:18] <FAJALO1> and insted of reconfiguring everything it stops after the mouse leaving out the monitor, and the video card.
[06:18] <FAJALO1> any reasons?
[06:18] <cyclonuts> dunno
[06:18] <cyclonuts> try going without an xorg.conf
[06:19] <cyclonuts> copy it to a backup
[06:19] <Fritzel> meh, ok back to lincity, Railroad Tycoon works fine as long as you only use it once
[06:19] <cyclonuts> Fritzel: lol
[06:19] <cyclonuts> FAJALO1: then remove xorg.conf (/etc/X11/xorg.conf)
[06:19] <FAJALO1> just remove it?
[06:19] <cyclonuts> then restart X (ctrl + alt + backspace)
[06:19] <cyclonuts> well copy it somewhere first so you can back it up
[06:19] <FAJALO1> well it's already backed up believe me
[06:20] <FAJALO1> but will that solve my problem
[06:20] <cyclonuts> just try it, you didnt give me much to go on though
[06:20] <cyclonuts> but X does a pretty darn good job of running without one
[06:20] <cyclonuts> so see if it works for you
[06:26] <FAJALOU> nope didn't work
[06:33] <pen> is it possible to create a mime type for nfo?
[06:33] <Zeddie> anybody packaged up firefox3 beta 5 yet?
[06:38] <octoberdan> My webcam works when I run ekiga, but when I run the "webcam" program provided by the webcam package, I get "Device or reource busy," even if I haven't used ekiga yet. fuser /dev/video0 returns nothing.
[06:45] <owen1> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[06:46] <owen1> i get this message after attempting to backup my /home
[06:47] <octoberdan> owen1: How are you trying to back it up?
[06:47] <owen1> sudo tar cvpzf backup.tgz /home --exclude=/home/oren/shared .....
[06:48] <owen1> i am following the instructions of a long thread.
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> Is there an e17 repo for hardy anyone can remember
[06:48] <octoberdan> owen1: is there any information before that line?
[06:49] <octoberdan> http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu/dists/hardy/e17/\
[06:49] <octoberdan> ?
[06:49] <octoberdan> Got that from googling...
[06:49] <owen1> /home/oren/.Xauthority
[06:49] <octoberdan> h3sp4wn: there's tons of responses  for hardy e17 on google
[06:49] <owen1> i assume it's the last zipped file
[06:50] <octoberdan> It is
[06:50] <octoberdan> hmmm
[06:50] <octoberdan> Did you try googling the error message?
[06:51] <owen1> octoberdan: yes. nothing crazy. now i try on the forums.
[06:52] <f0rmat> it's done it again
[06:52] <f0rmat> it's starting to really get on my nerve
[06:53] <gunashekar> !topic
[06:53] <f0rmat> !topic
[06:53] <f0rmat> :S
[06:53] <f0rmat> didn't work for me
[06:55] <h3sp4wn> octoberdan: Yeah but how to know who to trust
[07:07] <iMatter> Uhm...How do i add annoymous user using Gproftpd?
[07:19] <iMatter> anyone here...
[07:30] <Fritzel> does anyone know another way to override an unmount a cdrom? "umount -f /media/cdrom2" gives the error /me laughs at you
[07:31] <WGGMk> Fritzel: what is the error though?
[07:31] <Fritzel> device or resource busy
[07:31] <Fritzel> but I can't... nm I think Is ee what's doing it
[07:32] <Fritzel> yeah that was it I'm good now
[07:32] <WGGMk> Fritzel: if your in the directory when your trying to unmount it, it will give that error.
[07:32] <WGGMk> Fritzel: lol
[07:32] <Fritzel> no I finally learned not to try that one
[07:32] <Fritzel> it did take several years however
[07:32] <Fritzel> this was a dolphin window I forgot about
[07:34] <Fritzel> does anyone know of a easy to read command line port scanner?
[07:34] <Fritzel> I'd use netstat but I'm netstat retarded
[07:36] <pen> anyone here can recommend a download manager or accelerator to download zshare files?
[07:40] <Raspberry> anybody else having issues with flash & firefox3b5
[07:44] <iMatter> Hello...
[07:44] <iMatter> Ok last question....
[07:44] <iMatter> How do i update to proftpd server?
[07:47] <pen> anyone here can recommend a download manager or accelerator to download zshare files?
[07:50] <iMatter> Anyone know...
[07:51] <Fritzel> exit
[07:51] <Fritzel> oops
[07:53] <WGGMk> I am having a problem with installing the current linux-image for amd64. No matter if its thru update-manager or downloading the .deb package and installing it.. Even from /var/cache/apt/archives it still gives me this http://pastebin.org/28698
[07:55] <savvas> can someone do this and give me the output: ls -l /etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc
[07:57] <savvas> install libqt3-mt that is :)
[07:58] <kane77> hardy looks very good... I have been testing it on desktop for about week and no bugs so I decided to install on my laptop.. suddenly suspend and hibernate all work without any problems!!!
[07:59] <WGGMk> suspend pwns!!!!
[07:59] <Fritzel> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1388 2008-04-09 23:14 /etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc
[08:03] <savvas> thanks Fritzel
[08:03] <savvas> I wonder why mine shows -rw-r----- 1 root root 761 2008-04-10 08:37 /etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc
[08:05] <iMatter> no one cares...
[08:05] <Fritzel> -shrug- not sure, I am completely up to date though as of about 45 minutes ago
[08:05] <iMatter> savvas: Can you here me...?
[08:05] <Fritzel> iMatter: I have no experience with proftpd or any other ftpd's for that matter
[08:06] <Daisuke_Ido> iMatter, just because no one answered doesn't mean no one cares.  if no one's answered, then no one knows
[08:06] <iMatter> Oh...
[08:06] <iMatter> i wasnt seeing an upload button or anything so....
[08:06] <iMatter> i tried googling not much avail
[08:07] <WGGMk> iMatter: try FileZilla
[08:07] <savvas> iMatter: hey :)
[08:08] <iMatter> savvas: Hey i finnaly got a better router...
[08:08] <savvas> good suggestion
[08:08] <Fritzel> ok I'm done sitting here awake staring blankly at the monitor, I'm going to bed to stare blankly at the back of my eyelids, g'night
[08:08] <iMatter> i have HTTP and FTP Servers now
[08:08] <savvas> great :)
[08:09] <iMatter> just getting them to work ATM
[08:09] <iMatter> downloading filezilla
[08:10] <iMatter> savvas: your fix halfway worked...
[08:10] <iMatter> i stopped it after 20mins of it being at some weird thing but that was after purging SELinux
[08:10] <iMatter> then i reinstalled it and ref policy and eveyrthing works
[08:11] <iMatter> hopefully it stays this way
[08:12] <savvas> iMatter: you should've let it finish
[08:14] <iMatter> i acctualy waited longer...
[08:15] <pen> anyone here can recommend a download manager or accelerator to download zshare files?
[08:15] <iMatter> it was at a randomized prompt...
[08:15] <iMatter> hmm getting critical errors..
[08:15] <iMatter> Status:	Starting upload of /home/son9524/Files-From-Ubuntu-Ultimate-1.7/Pictures/Backgrounds//2435901.jpg
[08:15] <iMatter> Command:	PASV
[08:16] <iMatter> Response:	227 Entering Passive Mode (99,148,255,244,221,189).
[08:16] <iMatter> Command:	STOR 2435901.jpg
[08:16] <WGGMk> pen: whats wrong with Firefox's download manager?
[08:16] <iMatter> Response:	550 2435901.jpg: No such file or directory
[08:16] <iMatter> Error:	Critical error
[08:16] <pen> WGGMk: not fast
[08:16] <iMatter> Well i removed that unsupported distro
[08:16] <pen> WGGMk: and can't resume
[08:16] <iMatter> someone informed me so dont pay attention to that part
[08:16] <WGGMk> pen: well speed I wouldnt think would change with any download manager
[08:17] <pen> WGGMk: if  you have used any download manager in win then you know they are fast
[08:17] <WGGMk> pen: this isnt windows
[08:17] <pen> WGGMk: but same technology
[08:17] <WGGMk> pen: Internet Explorer is programmed to cut 20% bandwidth down
[08:17] <WGGMk> pen: not same technology
[08:18] <pen> WGGMk: 20%?
[08:18] <pen> really?
[08:18] <ethana2> uhhhhhhhhhh
[08:18] <ethana2> pen: are you freaking serious?
[08:18] <WGGMk> pen: I may be out of date in facts but im pretty sure its still the same
[08:18] <pen> WGGMk: how do you know?
[08:18] <pen> ethana2: ??
[08:18] <ethana2> maybe i should read the logs....
[08:18] <WGGMk> pen: IT Tech by prof
[08:18] <ethana2> nope
[08:18] <WGGMk> pen: IE also limits multiple downloads to 3 i believe
[08:18] <ethana2> you make no sense
[08:19] <pen> WGGMk: but I'm not talking about IE here
[08:19] <pen> WGGMk: it's download manager
[08:19] <ethana2> gecko on posix under gnome
[08:19] <ethana2> ftp?
[08:19] <iMatter> mmm says cannot start transfer....
[08:19] <iMatter> then disconnects from server a couple seconds layer
[08:19] <WGGMk> iMatter: on firefox?
[08:19] <WGGMk> iMatter: err FileZilla?
[08:19] <iMatter> WGGMk: FileZilla
[08:19] <WGGMk> iMatter: is it in Passive or Active mode?
[08:20] <pen> WGGMk: however, I have found some download manager in ubuntum but they just can't download zshare files
[08:20]  * iMatter scratches head....
[08:20] <WGGMk> pen: you spoke of the difference in Windows to Linux, IE is default in Windows so I assumed you referred to that
[08:20] <pen> WGGMk: I mean Flashget or Orbit etc
[08:20] <pen> WGGMk: they are win only too
[08:21] <WGGMk> pen: im not to sure what zshare files are, but if you can download them, any download manager would be the same
[08:21] <pen> WGGMk: no, they can't, or I just don't know how to configure them
[08:21] <iMatter> WGGT it does Commands: PASV then Response 227 Entering Passive Mode
[08:21] <WGGMk> pen: sorry, i cant help you out with those apps
[08:21] <iMatter> Command STor Cool Background1.jpeg
[08:21] <pen> WGGMk: fine, I think I will just wait
[08:21] <iMatter> Repsonse 550 Cool Background1.jpeg:no Such file or directory
[08:22] <WGGMk> iMatter: how would you feel about giving me some credentials to try and upload
[08:22] <iMatter> WGGMK,I have Anonymous set up go right ahead
[08:22] <iMatter> i msged you IP
[08:22] <WGGMk> iMatter: got it
[08:23] <WGGMk> iMatter: default port?
[08:24] <iMatter> Yea
[08:25] <WGGMk> iMatter: is it behind a router? cause I cant connect
[08:26] <iMatter> WGGMk: Dont use the :Port Number thing
[08:26] <iMatter> just FTP://My.IP.Ip.Here
[08:27] <WGGMk> iMatter: i dont but it will default to 21
[08:27] <iMatter> well others could get there....
[08:27] <iMatter> this computer is outside firewall...
[08:27] <WGGMk> iMatter: ok, but can anyone outside your internal network get there?
[08:28] <iMatter> thats what i said
[08:28] <iMatter> Others could get there.
[08:29] <WGGMk> iMatter: well I can "view" it with Firefox but FileZilla cant get thru
[08:29] <WGGMk> iMatter: which would be difficult to upload things lol
[08:30] <iMatter> lol
[08:30] <iMatter> use anonymous
[08:30] <iMatter> no password..
[08:30] <WGGMk> iMatter: acctually, lemme check my firewall.. I might be blocking it (I am using anon)
[08:31] <iMatter> well im using noobish firestarter ;)
[08:31] <iMatter> lol
[08:31]  * iMatter checks it
[08:32] <iMatter> GProftpd says no ones connected :/
[08:32] <xtknight> i dont really like the new Unlock system
[08:32] <iMatter> so does Firestarter
[08:33] <xtknight> i feel like im using vista lol
[08:33] <iMatter> it doesnt really work on ALL aps
[08:33] <iMatter> if it worked on more aps id be happy...
[08:33] <xtknight> it's just one more button to push, when gksu just asked me my pw when it needed.  also doesn't seem to even remember your pw.
[08:34] <xtknight> for example, system->administration->Services press unlock.  then immediately go back it still asks
[08:34] <xtknight> sure it's a nice prety button but it still makes things more difficult
[08:35] <iMatter> :/
[08:35] <iMatter> nice pretty button :P
[08:35] <iMatter> Cant you set a keyring?
[08:35] <xtknight> hmm i dunno?
[08:35] <iMatter> me neither...
[08:37] <orvokki> Yays, Adblock plus works again with FF3. :)
[08:38] <iMatter> yea the dev versions PWN
[08:39] <iMatter> WGGMk: You here still
[08:39] <WGGMk> iMatter: yes, but I forgot i need java webstart to change my firewall around.. having a bit of trouble with it on hardy
[08:40] <iMatter> :/
[08:41] <orvokki> iMatter: Dev versions? This is just normal version 0.7.5.3, I think.
[08:41] <iMatter> orvokki: thats dev version....
[08:41] <Fritzel> okay beyond a doubt this is the coolest keyboard
[08:41] <Waistless> just came in... is that for adblock? i got auto updated to that version for it so I assume it's not a dev version
[08:42] <orvokki> iMatter: What would you coun ta non-dev version then?
[08:42] <orvokki> 1.0? :P
[08:42] <orvokki> s/coun ta/count a/
[08:42] <savvas> xtknight: you can configure it through policy kits i think, system > admin > authorizations
[08:43] <Fritzel> i'm typong from across the room on my ipod via vnc  with it configured to zoom my moniter by pinching
[08:44] <Fritzel> which shows in my typing ><
[08:45] <Raspberry> anybody have a suggestion for a ubuntu package that'll play Real Video 3.0 ?
[08:45] <iMatter> VlC Player...?
[08:45] <iMatter> or Real Player
[08:45] <Raspberry> vlc doesn't
[08:45] <Raspberry> maybe the helix playeR?
[08:45] <Fritzel> does dragon play it?
[08:45] <Raspberry> mplayer doesn't , xine doesn't, totem doesn't
[08:46] <Raspberry> i'll install dragon
[08:46] <Raspberry> my problem is probably that I'm running 64bit
[08:46] <Raspberry> :)
[08:46] <iMatter> Raspberry: Real Player for linux will play it im sure...
[08:47] <WGGMk> iMatter: well im not going to be able to check my firewall because of a java issue, but im pretty sure all outbound lan traffic is passed on my network
[08:47] <Fritzel> thats a guess i haven't tried but dragon will definitely work on 64bit
[08:47] <iMatter> :/
[08:48] <iMatter> WGGMk: I keep getting file not found or file doesnt exsist if i try and upload
[08:48] <iMatter> im like Course it doesnt exsist yet because it hasnt transferd...
[08:48] <iMatter> i ca download but not upload..Go figure
[08:48] <WGGMk> iMatter: do you have write permissions to the directory your trying to upload to?
[08:49] <iMatter> its /var/ftp...
[08:49]  * iMatter tries Filezilla as root
[08:49]  * iMatter gksu ftw...
[08:51] <iMatter> WGGMk: Get Critical error then i loo at bottom...it says Reason Could Not start transfer
[08:52] <iMatter> its not possible to upload from the same computer is it?
[08:52] <WGGMk> iMatter: lol
[08:52] <iMatter> lol WGGMk What
[08:52] <WGGMk> iMatter: well yes & no
[08:52] <WGGMk> iMatter: pointless would be a more appropriate term
[08:52] <iMatter> Lol im trying to get Upload working
[08:53] <iMatter> before i use it from other comps
[08:53] <WGGMk> iMatter: well if my traffic allows outbound port 21, uploading might be a lower priority cause i still cant connect to your FTP server
[08:53] <iMatter> :/
[08:53] <iMatter> ftp://<my ip>
[08:55] <iMatter> SNuxoll was able to connect
[08:56] <iMatter> and usualy im not able to type my IP in and connect
[08:56] <iMatter> unless its working
[08:56] <iMatter> i mean usualy i have to do localhost...
[08:58] <iMatter> well night
[08:58] <iMatter> cya tommrow
[09:01] <WGGMk> I am having a problem with installing the current linux-image for amd64. No matter if its thru update-manager or downloading the .deb package and installing it.. Even from /var/cache/apt/archives it still gives me this http://pastebin.org/28698
[09:02] <mvo> WGGMk: can you run sudo sh -ex /sbin/update-grub to see on what line it dies? is your grub up-to-date?
[09:03] <WGGMk> mvo: im using GFX-Grub
[09:04] <WGGMk> mvo: would this have a negative impact?
[09:04] <WGGMk> mvo: this is what I get from the command http://pastebin.org/28707
[09:05] <mvo> WGGMk: possibly, I don't know about that package, it might be a bug because ubuntu uses dash as /bin/sh
[09:05] <WGGMk> mvo: not sure I follow ya
[09:06] <mvo> WGGMk: what is the package name for gfx-grub?
[09:06] <mvo> WGGMk: I think its a bug in the package
[09:07] <WGGMk> mvo: grub-gfxboot_0.97-11_amd64.deb
[09:07] <blinkiz> How do I get swedish spell checking support in tomboy? (ubuntu 8.04, tomboy 0.10.1)
[09:08] <mvo> WGGMk: is that in the archive? I seem to be unable to find it. the line with "==" in it needs to be "=", then it will work :)
[09:10] <WGGMk> mvo: in the archive? as in /var/cache/apt/archives? it was a third party deb package for amd64
[09:11] <mvo> WGGMk: aha, ok. its probably best to tell the person who provides the package about the problem, its easy to fix (just replace the "==" with a "=").
[09:12] <WGGMk> mvo: so ill need to reinstall the package with the appropriate changes?
[09:13] <mvo> WGGMk: yes, once the changes are in, a reinstall will work. for now I would suggest to remove it until the bug is fixed (where was it downloaded from?)
[09:13] <x1250> someone was asking the other day about xorg.conf and modelines? http://howto-pages.org/ModeLines/
[09:13] <pheld> are there any translations for ff3 available in hardy yet?  or even updated locale pkgs for ff2?
[09:14] <WGGMk> mvo: random google search, I cant recall anymore. I just keep a copy saved on disc
[09:15] <savvas> pheld: i think only the british english one, maybe they updated since beta 5, better check that out at irc.mozilla.org #firefox
[09:15] <WGGMk> mvo: is there a work around for it besides reinstall with the fix?
[09:16] <mvo> WGGMk: cowboy it in yourself with "sudo vi /sbin/update-grub" (or your favorite editor)
[09:17] <f0rmat> can i aske does anyone know what may be the cause of me being unable to view folders in nautilus :S
[09:17] <WGGMk> mvo: lmfao cowboy lol
[09:17] <mvo> WGGMk: a shame that the package is not in the ubuntu or debian official archive, then it would be easy to fix for everybody :)
[09:17] <savvas> in which groups do i have to add a user to use a HP printer?
[09:17] <WGGMk> mvo: sorry to be a pain, but what kind of negative impact should I look forward to if i use the "cowboy" method?
[09:18] <savvas> f0rmat: which folders?
[09:18] <f0rmat> all folders
[09:18] <f0rmat> i can't open the nautilus manager
[09:18] <f0rmat> :S
[09:18] <f0rmat> it happens after i play music
[09:18] <f0rmat> in movie player
[09:18] <f0rmat> :S
[09:18] <savvas> f0rmat: run this in terminal: nautilus $HOME
[09:18] <mvo> WGGMk: if you just edit that file then it shouldn't become worse (its already broken) - but generally I would be careful with messing about with grub unless you know how to recover if the system does no longer boot :)
[09:19] <redwhitewaldo> wierd. i somehow got dual-display working on 8.04 by adding a "virtual" line in xorg.conf and running a xrandr command in terminal. but after i enabled the restricted driver for my ATI (radeon) card, i can't get dual display to work. It seems I have to choose only one: either video driver (nice graphics) OR dual-display. How can i get both to work at the same time? How can i get dual display to work while i have driver on?
[09:19] <WGGMk> mvo: well that will be fun... im due to learn something new anyway
[09:21] <pheld> savvas: I'm aware of language packages from mozilla, but it's a long way from their way of packaging to the normal ubuntu way if using locale-packs separated from binaries. It's a bit disturbing to see that this work is not completed so close to a release.
[09:22] <blinkiz> How do I get swedish spell checking in TomBoy? I have english as my main gnome language but also swedish language pack installed from administration->Language Support.
[09:26] <_Rambaldi_> my trash bin has disappeared and i cant seem to add it to the panel again
[09:26] <noob123> hello
[09:26] <_Rambaldi_> hello
[09:27] <noob123> any sugestions on how to manually install ubuntu
[09:27] <savvas> pheld: i think the package translations are done by volunteers, as most of other stuff are and.. you can't actually make a volunteer do something, the more there are the better the translation will be; If I were you and I wanted something translated, I would do it myself :)
[09:28] <redwhitewaldo> how can i get my dual monitor set up to work ?
[09:28] <noob123> i dont like doing it the guided way,it messed up my xp,and i was planning to do a dual boot,i have 80g hd, 60 i use for xp and the other 20 for ubuntu
[09:28] <_Rambaldi_> is there anyothe way to install it? the safest if you are not sure is use wubi installer
[09:29] <savvas> noob123: you should be asking that in #ubuntu - this is a testing release
[09:29] <pheld> blinkiz: tomboy doesn't seem to have UI support to choose language. You can set swedish from the commandline and start it manually: "export LANG=se_SE.UTF-8 ; tomboy"
[09:30] <noob123> sorry..i had the hardy beta i thought these might be the place
[09:30] <blinkiz> pheld, aha, I see. maybe I can put that string in some startup file for TomBoy?
[09:31] <savvas> noob123: it is, I was judging by your nickname :)
[09:31] <savvas> !grub | noob123
[09:31] <ubotu> noob123: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:31] <noob123> uh..ha!
[09:32] <pheld> savvas: translations are already done from mozilla.org. It's re-packaging in ubuntu I'm worried about, and I'm no .deb wiz ;)
[09:32] <blinkiz> pheld, btw, it works great. "export LANG=sv_SE.utf8;tomboy &"
[09:33] <savvas> pheld: me neither, and I didn't know :P
[09:36] <pheld> Is there something missing in the most recent totem pack (2.22.1-0ubuntu1) ? youtube videos don't play anymore
[09:43] <penpe1> hi all, what's the package name for the ffmpeg command line tool? After isnstalling the ffmpeg package 'which ffmpeg' shows nothing. Thanks :)
[09:49] <WGGMk> Can someone put the contents of /usr/sbin/update-grub into pastebin for me?
[09:50] <penpe1> hmm, sorry, the reason was I couldn't install ffmpeg (404 Not Found) - I'll fiddle some with my repository settings
[09:51] <coz_> hey guys what is the state of affairs with sun java  and wacom tablet drivers on hardy?
[09:51] <Amaranth> WGGMk: why? just reinstall the grub package and it'll be fixed
[09:51] <pheld> Does anyone have a bluetooth 1.2 headset working through bluez? I suspect that the kernel-code to support fallback from eSCO (bt2.x) to SCO (bt1.x) never gets activated so that only bt2.x headsets will work.
[09:51] <WGGMk> Amaranth: because I want to look for comparison, I use grub-gfxboot
[09:51] <jscinoz> hey guys
[09:52] <Amaranth> WGGMk: why did you overwrite your update-grub?
[09:52] <jscinoz> running up-to-date hardy, for some reason login from GDM takes an incredibly long time (from pressing enter after typing password, 2-3minutes until the login screen fades and my session starts loading), login in tty0-6 is very fast, so just GDM is slow, any ideas?
[09:52] <Amaranth> and not make a backup?
[09:53] <jscinoz> also i've tried wiping out my gconf to no effect.'
[09:53] <WGGMk> Amaranth: i didnt overwrite it. I just want to see what an unchanged one looks like to troubleshoot my situation
[09:53] <nekostar> arg
[09:53] <nekostar> anyone else having notification tray problem?
[09:53] <nekostar> i get a dead icon in there
[09:54] <Amaranth> nekostar: stop using KDE and compiz?
[09:54] <Amaranth> oh
[09:54] <nekostar> gnome-panel
[09:54] <nekostar> killall fixes for a bit..
[09:54] <nekostar> have to investigate tomorrow
[09:55] <pen> do anyone know why sometimes when doing an animation in compiz it would freeze the screen but not the sound? Ctrl+Alt+Backspace doesn't work.
[09:55] <Amaranth> pen: ati?
[09:55] <pen> Amaranth: NVIDIA
[09:55] <nekostar> ah
[09:55] <nekostar> its the wine/utorrent one
[09:55]  * nekostar puts on back burner
[10:01] <redwhitewaldo> can someone help me get dualmonitor setup working please? I have ati radeon. i got it working with xrandr. but when i activated my video hardware driver, it stopped working. thanks.
[10:03] <Raspberry> pheld: I've never been able to get bluetooth handsets working in Linux -- they detect, but just don't work
[10:06] <pheld> ﻿Raspberry: I had bt1.x headsets working a couple years ago, but I know it's been flaky in recent releases. Most of the work is going into bt2.x though, and it looks promising for the next major release of bluez. The current version seems to be in kind of limbo, with bt1.x suffering the most.
[10:13] <jscinoz> running up-to-date hardy, for some reason login from GDM takes an incredibly long time (from pressing enter after typing password, 2-3minutes until the login screen fades and my session starts loading), login in tty0-6 is very fast, so just GDM is slow, any ideas? i've tried wiping out my gconf to no effect.
[10:18] <jscinoz> pen, i sometimes get the same thing with compiz, i'm also using nvidia
[10:18] <pen> jscinoz: would it because nvidia driver is buggy?
[10:19] <jscinoz> not sure >_<
[10:19] <jscinoz> i'm using the beta driver, seems to be a tad faster and dies less :P
[10:19] <pen> jscinoz: beta?
[10:19] <pen> jscinoz: did you install the one from nvidia?
[10:20] <jscinoz> yeah from nvidia's site
[10:20] <jscinoz> using their installer
[10:20] <jscinoz> 171.06 is my version
[10:20] <pen> jscinoz: I see
[10:20] <pen> jscinoz: is it better overall?
[10:20] <jscinoz> IMO, yes
[10:20] <pen> jscinoz: cool
[10:20] <pen> jscinoz: like?
[10:20] <orvokki> jscinoz: Might be card-dependent though.
[10:21] <jscinoz> seems faster and more stable, but as orvokki said, may be different with your card
[10:21] <pen> orvokki: 169.12 has the shadow bug in which the shadows are pink
[10:21] <jscinoz> i've got an 8400M GS
[10:21] <pen> jscinoz: same here
[10:21] <jscinoz> xps m1330?
[10:21] <pen> jscinoz: no
[10:22] <pen> jscinoz: HP
[10:22] <jscinoz> :P
[10:22] <jscinoz> i love my m1330
[10:22] <pen> :)
[10:22] <jscinoz> awesome hardware support
[10:22] <jscinoz> every single thing worked out of the box
[10:22] <pen> jscinoz: really?
[10:22] <pen> everything?
[10:22] <jscinoz> suspend, hibernate, sound from all 3 headphone jacks
[10:22] <jscinoz> yes
[10:22] <jscinoz> the headphone jacks are awesome, all 3 can be toggled between input and output
[10:22] <pen> jscinoz: suspend, hibernate, sound, java, flash , etc?
[10:22] <jscinoz> yeah, once installed those packages
[10:23] <jscinoz> no hackery needed :P
[10:23] <pen> jscinoz: wow
[10:23] <jscinoz> i wish hibernate had a progress bar though
[10:23] <jscinoz> annoying just staring at the flashing _ for 30secs
[10:23] <pen> hm
[10:23] <pen> send a wish list
[10:23] <jscinoz> there is one already i think
[10:23] <redwhitewaldo> ﻿hello, can someone here with a fresh/regular install of ubuntu, please pastebin for me his xorg.conf file? thanks.
[10:24] <pen> jscinoz: can you play java sound and also with amarok playing at the same time?
[10:24] <jscinoz> redwhitewaldo, you can just regenerate it with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[10:24] <jscinoz> pen, java and rhythmbox :P
[10:24] <jscinoz> don't use amarok :P
[10:24] <pen> jscinoz: I see
[10:24] <redwhitewaldo> jscinoz: well, that doesn't put back my xorg.conf file the way it was before i enabled restricted video driver. 8-)
[10:25] <pen> jscinoz: but you said you have the freeze bug right?
[10:25] <jscinoz> redwhitewaldo, it should give you the choice to change grpahics driver to what i was before (probabl nv)
[10:25] <jscinoz> pen, yeah but its pretty rare
[10:25] <jscinoz> maybe once a week
[10:26] <redwhitewaldo> jscinoz: it doesn't. it just puts a backup copy of xorg.conf in folder
[10:26] <pen> jscinoz: I got freezes when I have too many windows
[10:26] <jscinoz> hmm apparently you can get usplash for suspend/hibernate with uswsusp
[10:26] <jscinoz> redwhitewaldo, strnage.. it should overwrite it
[10:26] <jscinoz> redwhitewaldo, is the failsafe xorg still running:?
[10:26] <redwhitewaldo> jscinoz: sorry i was wrong.
[10:26] <redwhitewaldo> i get the list now
[10:26] <redwhitewaldo> pls hold
[10:26] <jscinoz> :P
[10:27] <pen> jscinoz: usplash for suspend?
[10:27] <redwhitewaldo> question one: " Use kernel framebuffer device interface?  " what should i choose?
[10:27] <jscinoz> pen one second
[10:28] <jscinoz> redwhitewaldo, shouldnt matter, just say no :P
[10:28] <jscinoz> uswsusp looks to be a different way of suspend/hibernate with usplash support and a bunch of other nice looking features
[10:28] <redwhitewaldo> jscinoz: oops. i said yes.
[10:30] <jscinoz> doesnt matter
[10:30] <redwhitewaldo> it doesn't?
[10:30] <redwhitewaldo>  i have a microsoft natural keyboard elite (http://www.datavisionergonomics.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/292341_large.jpg) . is this pc104 or pc105?
[10:30] <jscinoz> not sure, just say 105 :P
[10:31] <redwhitewaldo> jscinoz: what would happen if it were 104? what errors/problems would i face?
[10:31] <jscinoz> pen uswsusp looks really nice, offers compression and/or encryption of suspend image
[10:31] <jscinoz> redwhitewaldo, one key wouldnt work :P
[10:31] <jscinoz> cant remember which one though
[10:31] <pen> jscinoz: what is that?
[10:32] <jscinoz> suspend image = data it writes to swap when you hibernate
[10:32] <jscinoz> compress it to use less swap and according to the man page, faster suspend/resume
[10:32] <jscinoz> also lets you do both s2disk and s2ram at the same time
[10:32] <pen> cool
[10:32] <jscinoz> meaning you have the fast resume of standby
[10:33] <jscinoz> but if you lose power, you can restore as if it was hibernating
[10:34] <jscinoz> brb testing new suspend :P
[10:35] <saltedlight> anyone know why is my /etc/apache2/httpd.conf file empty? i'v just installed lamp and did no changes... anyone know how or where i can have a default httpd.conf file?
[10:36] <Arelis> The beta is constantly changing, of course. So my question is, what is the current state of the beta, with updates and all? It's about 15 days away, so it shouldn't be THAT bad.
[10:37] <esox> Hi, my midibox doesnt work since I'm on hardy, undev rules are not working
[10:39] <jscinoz> oh wow
[10:39] <jscinoz> thats really nice
[10:39] <jscinoz> resume is very fast, and i had music playing in rhythmbox from a network share, it continued playing on resume
[10:41] <pen> jscinoz: cool
[10:41] <pen> jscinoz: did you configure anything for suspend?
[10:44] <jscinoz> splashy is officially better than usplash lol
[10:47] <tech0007> is it possible to record sound from playback thru pulseaudio?
[11:05] <tech0007> exit
[11:27] <Arelis> Hello everybody. I haven't tried out Hardy yet, but the beta has been released about a week ago, and i think it has evolved in the time. What has become of the beta, as of now?
[11:28] <cpk1> its a week closer to release, thats what
[11:29] <Arelis> cpk1: but what has changed?
[11:29] <cpk1> its due two weeks from now, I dont see why you wouldnt wait
[11:30] <Arelis> stability. compatibility. slowness remedy
[11:30] <cpk1> in the week that its been in beta? I dont know, I imagine tons of bugfixes going by how many updates I've had
[11:30] <Arelis> because really, my ubuntu right now is unstable, uncompatible with my wacom bamboo fun (while hardy is) and slowness is everywhere
[11:30] <cpk1> I havent had any problems with slowness
[11:30] <cpk1> never had slowdown problems
[11:30] <Arelis> and nobody has cared to help me as of yet.
[11:31] <Arelis> not even on the forums.
[11:31] <maxb> Arelis: I think you're being unrealistic expecting anyone to have made a summary of changes during this phase of development.
[11:31] <Arelis> well, they did, but then the conversation got stuck and the topic got forgotten
[11:31] <Arelis> maxb: well, since hardy is only 2 weeks away..
[11:32] <maxb> Precisely what I mean. I expect everyone is paying more attention to fixing things than keeping lists of what has been fixed since beta.
[11:32] <cpk1> Arelis: there have literally been hundreds of updates to stuff I probably dont even use on my maching, how can I document what has changed? especially since I dont even reload all my libraries after an update
[11:32] <cpk1> machine*
[11:32] <cpk1> I think we are a couple days from the freeze now though
[11:33] <Arelis> a couple of days from the freeze? meaning that by then, the bugs have been fixed?
[11:35] <pen> anyone know how to make Creative Labs SB X-Fi work?
[11:35] <pen> does it have to use OSS?
[11:39] <Lynoure> pen: http://opensource.creative.com/soundcard.html is their official page, I think
[11:39] <popey> pen: there is no driver for that i dont think
[11:40] <pen> popey: no?
[11:40] <Ng> creative's open source support has never been more than fleeting, ime
[11:40] <Ng> sadly
[11:40] <Lynoure> pen: they are kinda not very open source friendly company anymore
[11:40] <maxb> cpk1: Are we not already in final freeze? Or is HardyReleaseSchedule only a guideline, not an absolute documentation of freeze times?
[11:40] <popey> bug 63352
[11:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63352 in linux "Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63352
[11:41] <Ng> Lynoure: they never were
[11:41] <cpk1> maxb: I just am going off memory from when I last looked at the schedule and final freeze was right around this time =P
[11:41] <Lynoure> Ng: even less recently. :(
[11:41] <Ng> :/
[11:42] <pen> :
[11:42] <popey> ✁☻ ✁☻ ✁☻ Creative
[11:42] <pen> :(
[11:42] <maxb> The continued stream of "Accepted" mails on hardy-changes would suggest that perhaps the freeze isn't quite in force yet. That, or lots of exceptions are being granted :-)
[11:44] <cpk1> well, bug-fixes are still allowed right?
[11:45] <Ng> maxb: some things have blanket exceptions
[11:45] <Ng> e.g. gnome 2.22.1 went in in the last few days
[11:49] <pheld> pen: forget Creative. Give your money to someone less hostile to open-source
[11:50] <pen> pheld: it's not my sound card, my friend has one
[11:50] <pen> pheld: he is trying hardy the first time
[11:52] <pheld> pen: x-fi is going to be a problem anyway unless he's got something that's able to run the unsupported x64 beta
[11:52] <pen> pheld: maybe I should suggest him to buy a new sound card?
[11:54] <cpk1> whats wrong with most onboard mobo sound?
[11:54] <cpk1> mine has spdif out which is great
[11:56] <Ng> cpk1: hardware-wise, creative's soundcards are pretty powerful, where onboard things aren't
[11:56] <Ng> the emu10k1 on the Live! cards is great
[11:56] <Ng> they bought EMU just to get it
[11:56] <pheld> pen: OSS from 4front is supposed to have preliminary support for x-fi. replacing alsa with oss isn't trivial though
[11:56] <pen> pheld: hm
[11:56] <cpk1> spdif just passes the signal on to my reciever I dunno if it even does any work
[11:56] <pen> pheld: what should I tell him?
[11:58] <pheld> pen: be honest. x-fi is going to be a problem. to get started use onboard-sound if possible
[12:00] <pen> pheld: hm, i don't think he is onboard
[12:00] <pen> has
[12:01] <pheld> pen: must be an ancient MB then.
[12:01] <pen> pheld: how to use onboard if he really has one
[12:01] <jscinoz> i wonder..
[12:02] <jscinoz> adding the debian repos to sources.list and upgrading everything to the more recent versions indebian sid... is definately going to break something right?
[12:02] <jscinoz> :P
[12:03] <pheld> pen: sure it's not just the backplate with connectors that is not mounted.
[12:04] <jscinoz> amiright? :P
[12:05] <pheld> wrt soundcards: is there an unbiased list of soundcards that work 100% somewhere?
[12:08] <pheld> it's awfully hard for newbies to work out what works well and not based on the alsa-project wiki.
[12:40] <Almindor> is it possible to get composite/visual effects with fglrx/hardy? I'm getting this http://pastebin.com/d119733f9 when I try
[12:40] <Almindor> normal 3d works for both 32 and 64bit apps (this is hardy/64)
[12:41]  * Almindor tought the latest ati drivers had AIGLX?
[12:41] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. here i go and set up Konqueror as the default file manager, and all these tools keep popingup that lame dolphin.. egads
[12:41] <Dr_willis> anyone else noticing this issue?
[12:42] <orvokki> Almindor: Hmm, ubuntu-desktop system?
[12:42] <Almindor> orvokki, yes
[12:43] <orvokki> Almindor: Just a bit puzzled about that last line.
[12:43] <Almindor> orvokki, amd64, ati mobility radeon X1600 and compiz is in /usr/bin/compiz
[12:43] <esox> Hi, I really need help to retore my midibox that ran perfectly on gutsy
[12:43]  * Almindor too
[12:44] <orvokki> I'm not much help though now. I'm getting back home next Sunday.
[12:45] <Almindor> cat /usr/bin/compiz | grep '/usr/local/bin'
[12:45] <Almindor> COMPIZ_BIN_PATH="/usr/local/bin/" # For window decorators and compiz
[12:45] <Almindor> guess the compiz script is borked... for some reason
[12:45] <Almindor> I'll try to reinstall
[12:45] <orvokki> Yeah, good idea.
[12:46] <Almindor> hmm same
[12:47] <orvokki> Meh.
[12:47] <Almindor> I even deleted the script to make sure
[12:47] <orvokki> I can't really check if it's the same on my system until Sunday. :/
[12:47] <Almindor> guess its a bug, there's no reason for /usr/local/anything in debs
[12:48] <Dr_willis> unofficial apps :)
[12:48] <Dr_willis> I got one app in my /usr/local
[12:48] <Almindor> yes, I got stuff in there too but not .deb stuff
[12:48] <esox> Ok, how do I send a bug report ?
[12:49] <mvo> Almindor: it gets its default from /etc/default/compiz (or compiz-manager, can't remember)
[12:49] <Almindor> mvo, no compiz* in /etc/default
[12:51] <mvo> Almindor: sorry, make that /etc/xdg/compiz/compiz-manager
[12:51] <Almindor> ls /etc/xdg/compiz/
[12:51] <Almindor> nothing :)
[12:51] <Almindor> empty dir
[12:52] <Almindor> only compiz-manager file on the system is a png
[12:52] <esox> nobody to help for my midibox ?
[12:53]  * Dr_willis has no idea what midibox is.
[12:54]  * Almindor neither
[12:54] <Almindor> well in any case, thanks for the help
[12:54]  * Almindor doesn't really use compiz stuff normally but it's nice for converting unbelievers
[12:55] <Dr_willis> I let the unbelivers notice that I never need to defrag, or worry about viruses..
[12:55] <Dr_willis> they can have their eyecandy and  ocular cavaties
[12:56] <esox> Dr_willis: do you know why the fat partitions are not named by the name I gave on fstab like on gutsy but only named by "media+size" ?
[12:57] <Dr_willis> esox,  its using the DiskLabel - and if its not set  its using the  media+size name i guess
[12:57] <Dr_willis> gnome has properties to set/change where they get mounted to/name I think. But im not using gnome
[12:59] <whitehawk> hi
[12:59] <esox> Dr_willis: iy was different on gutsy, why changing ?
[12:59] <m1r> hello
[13:00] <Dr_willis> esox,  no idea. Since my disks have labels. I never noticed any change.. of course Im not using gnome here..  :)
[13:00] <esox> Dr_willis: even for vfat partitions ?
[13:01] <Dr_willis> I always have disk labels even for my vfat filesystems.
[13:03] <esox> Dr_willis: well I labelled them on windows...
[13:06] <Dr_willis> i got no idea then, you can right click on the disk icons and set different names/properties i recall.
[13:09] <whitehawk> I have 2 machines with 8.04beta1 i386 and one has HAL failing in the last few days. Since it missbehaved, I reinstalled it yesterday, updated, and it has it again..
[13:10] <nemo> could anyone help me downgrade to the -5 kernel?
[13:10] <nemo> supposedly that helped some folks with the iwl3945 problems
[13:11] <nemo> hm
[13:11] <nemo> actually...
[13:11] <nemo> looks like there has been some bug activity. yay
[13:11] <DistroJockey> whitehawk: I had that HAL failure also with 2.6.24-15-generic
[13:11] <whitehawk> so it is kernel, ok
[13:11] <whitehawk> how did you fix it?
[13:11] <DistroJockey> whitehawk: 2.6.24-14-generic  works ok
[13:11] <whitehawk> so thats how :D
[13:11] <DistroJockey> yup :)
[13:13] <whitehawk> with no hal, there is no networking.. gladly I know the manual way so no problem :D
[13:13] <DistroJockey> whitehawk: I can't seem to get 2.6.24-15-generic working anywhere
[13:13] <DistroJockey> whitehawk: yeah, no network, no sound with broken HAL
[13:13] <whitehawk> I have 2.6.24-15 working here
[13:14] <whitehawk> it is on the other machine
[13:14] <DistroJockey> whitehawk: I got the can't initialize HAL with 2.6.24-15-generic after waiting 2 mins or more for it to get to desktop
[13:15] <whitehawk> I know that
[13:15] <whitehawk> I have the same
[13:15] <DistroJockey> previously, I gave up and Alt+SysRq 'd it
[13:15] <whitehawk> but it works here on this Fujitsu Siemens A64 machine (i386 system)
[13:16] <whitehawk> and doesn't work on the HP AthlonXP system
[13:16] <DistroJockey> whitehawk: mine looked to hang at the check for a restore image
[13:17] <whitehawk> interesting
[13:17] <DistroJockey> whitehawk: but it's worked fine with earlier kernels
[13:17] <whitehawk> damn.. I need a restart now
[13:17] <DistroJockey> running a desktop and not using suspend/hybernate here
[13:17] <IdleOne> so I take it everytime I get a kernal upgrade I will have to manualy fix my wireless and reinstall the drivers/modules?
[13:19] <DistroJockey> IdleOne: depends how you implemented your wireless I guess
[13:19] <whitehawk> IdleOne?
[13:20] <DistroJockey> if you did it like a source install of the driver, then probably
[13:20] <whitehawk> crap
[13:20] <IdleOne> I had to follow this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=669267 to get wireless working
[13:21] <DistroJockey> I'd say you probably would need to.
[13:21] <DistroJockey> but you may be lucky :)
[13:22] <IdleOne> maybe -15 supports my card now? how could I check?
[13:22] <DistroJockey> -15 ?
[13:22] <orvokki> Did you mean 2.6.24-15?
[13:22] <IdleOne> -15-generic
[13:22] <DistroJockey> ahh
[13:22] <IdleOne> yeah
[13:22] <whitehawk> what card
[13:23] <IdleOne> this is my card  Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[13:23] <whitehawk> I see
[13:23] <whitehawk> does 8.04 use ath5 kor madwifi?
[13:23]  * DistroJockey runs off to get another vodka
[13:23] <IdleOne> whitehawk: no clue
[13:23] <whitehawk> ath5k
[13:24] <whitehawk> I meant
[13:24] <IdleOne> well I'll have to look at it later tonight anyhow. have a good day folks
[13:25] <whitehawk> bye
[13:25] <DistroJockey> wireless crops up alot :(
[13:26] <DistroJockey> glad I don't use it myself
[13:26] <whitehawk> I had a problem when I tried the liveCD (usb)
[13:26] <whitehawk> in 2.6.24 there is a mechanism, that doesn't allow to bring up invalid MAC addressed if-s
[13:27] <whitehawk> and the ipw2200 driver has an rtap interface that has an all 0 mac
[13:27] <whitehawk> I filed a bug in gentoo, and there's a patch in upstream
[13:27] <whitehawk> should make it to 2.6.25
[13:29] <Juzzy`> Hi guys, running mythbuntu updated to hardy... now I have mutliple copies of mythtv come up on startup
[13:29] <Juzzy`> and it pretty much freezes the pc
[13:33] <nemo> hey folks. generic ubuntu question
[13:33] <Pici> <generic ubuntu answer>
[13:33] <nemo> why is it that my linux-headers aren't updating?
[13:33] <nemo> The following packages have been kept back:
[13:33] <nemo> ...linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[13:33] <Pici> Did you do a full-upgrade?
[13:33] <nemo> # uname -r
[13:33] <nemo> 2.6.24-12-generic
[13:33] <nemo> did an apt-get upgrade
[13:34] <dns53> do a dist-upgrade, it might include new packages
[13:34] <nemo> ah. thanks
[13:34] <nemo> see. that's the sort of ubuntu knowledge I lack :)
[13:34] <Pici> you need to do a dist or full-upgrade (same thing)
[13:34] <dns53> upgrade only upgrades what is currently installed, dist-upgrade installs everything including new dependencies and removes old ones
[13:34] <nemo> thanks
[13:35] <nemo> now, if someone could just get my RTL8185 working, that'd be lovely. but looks like that might still be a little while...
[13:37] <whitehawk> re
[13:37] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/196285 :-/
[13:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196285 in linux "[Regression] Realtek RTL-8185 Wifi not recognized in Hardy 8.04 Alpha 5" [Medium,Triaged]
[13:41] <Sergeant_Pony> morning
[13:43] <m1r> virtualbox OSE generic kernel module dont get upgraded with system ?
[13:43] <x1250> hey guys, does someone has a working epson printer on hardy? I'm getting some Unauthorized Errors, and ubuntuforums is helpless
[13:50] <esox> someone to help on firmware loader for midisport 2x2 ?
[13:52] <nemo> hm. looks like the realtek driver would work if I could find someone better with kernel sources to help me
[14:06] <whitehawk> Ok, I made a reboot HAL still works on this machine
[14:07] <whitehawk> the other is still crap
[14:07] <DanaG> ﻿Heh, my CPU is at 14 C, and my ACPI temperature is 9 C.  That's immediately after resume from suspend, in a cold room.  The GPU is already 33 C.
[14:07] <DanaG> Random, but amusing.
[14:08] <DanaG> Now if only my battery wouldn't drain astonishingly quickly when I'm using compiz-fusion...
[14:08] <DanaG> That's part of why I'll be switching to ATI in summer: I'll be able to lock the thing into low-power mode manually.
[14:10] <whitehawk> there should be some mechanism that starts basic networking if hal fails
[14:10] <whitehawk> just do dhclient ethX
[14:15] <KrimZon> wow... 4000 load cycles in the past 2 days
[14:21] <humbolto> removable disks and cd/dvd media don't show up anymore in "removable drives and media" config dialog! why is that?
[14:21] <humbolto> I want to disable that a nautilus window appears for each newly attached media!
[14:22] <jaffarkelshac> how do i remove programs from the wine list, they dont appear in the uninstall section
[14:24] <Derspankster> jaffarkelshac: good question! Wish I knew the answer to that as well.
[14:24] <jaffarkelshac> even purge removing does not get rid of it
[14:25] <Derspankster> I haven't been able to find a  solution
[14:25] <DistroJockey> humbolto: In Nautilus, goto Edit - Preferences - Media  and untick  Browse media when detected
[14:25] <jaffarkelshac> found it, its in /home/user.local/share/applications/wine
[14:29] <DanaG> Ooh, you can set Wine to take KDE colors, if you install kcontrol.
[14:30] <Derspankster> jaffarkhelshac: can't find it
[14:30] <DanaG> But then, you still have to MAKE the kde colors match Gnome, manually.
[14:31] <jaffarkelshac> how do i close wine system tray adapter
[14:31] <DanaG> killall explorer.exe, or do "wineserver -k" if you want to close all wine apps.
[14:35] <DanaG> Heh, tried to install WB6 in Wine.  Needless to say, it didn't work.
[14:36] <richard> Hi all, how to i change my grafic driver under 8.04
[14:37] <rvalles> I'm going to install 8.04 from this. Any known problem with today's image? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/hardy-dvd-amd64.iso
[14:37] <rvalles> :-)
[14:37] <richard> i have a radeon 9250 but currently no 3d support....
[14:37] <Derspankster> jaffarkelshac: OK, found it - done, Thanks!
[14:37] <richard> x11.org only shows up this:
[14:37] <richard>        
[14:38] <richard> Section "Device"
[14:38] <richard>         Identifier      "Configured Video Device"
[14:38] <Pici> rvalles: Daily ISOs do not receive the same amount of testing as milestone releases do.
[14:40] <gatestone> Has anyhting been done to this in Hardy: if you have a fixed size big dialog, you may for example have an Apply or Ok button vanishing from the bottom, and it is not visually indicated, that msot important part of your screen is missing!!! Happended to me with Skype and Firefox/Leechblock options diallogue, Only Alt-dragging will solve this!
[14:41] <DarkMageZ> richard, go ahead and run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" , it should build a proper config file.
[14:41] <rvalles> Pici: yup, but we're at 14 to release
[14:41] <hti_pro> any word on whether the libata dma bug will be fixed in this release
[14:41] <rvalles> and the last "milestone" is from early may
[14:41] <richard> DarkMageZ: i did that already, nothing changes ..
[14:42] <rvalles> I doubt things will change much till release, while I'm sure they've changed in a whole month
[14:42] <LjL> is nvidia-glx-new actually newer than nvidia-glx in hardy? the version numbers confuse me a little :o)
[14:42] <Pici> rvalles: You probably wont have any issues installing, but then again, if you do, you know what it could be.
[14:42] <gatestone> Hmmm...Alt-drag will not help! Because when the dialog first is drawn, it is already damages and stays that way when alt-dragged!
[14:42] <gatestone> damaged
[14:42] <DarkMageZ> richard, hmm. that's new... not sure what to recommend.
[14:44] <rvalles> Pici: we'll see :)
[14:44] <rvalles> it's to replace a upgraded-way-too-many-times ubuntu on some laptop my bro uses
[14:45] <rvalles> that one is broken in too many places, and has too many "by hand" workarounds cummulated through the years
[14:45] <Ng> hti_pro: a) which bug, b) kernel questions are probably better asked in #ubuntu-kernel
[14:45] <rvalles> I believe with the kernel current hardy has and all, he won't need anything of the sort anymore, and will be able to use a clean ubuntu
[14:46] <hti_pro> Ng: Bug #110636 in linux-source-2.6.22
[14:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110636 in linux-source-2.6.22 "hdparm - cannot set dma on IDE hard drive that works via pata" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110636
[14:47] <Laggyware> Has anyone else got serious audio problems?
[14:47] <Laggyware> As in, I can play music when I first boot, but after about 10 mins, everything dies.
[14:48] <Ng> hti_pro: looks like the bug is not filed against hardy's kernel, and is incomplete
[14:48] <Ng> hti_pro: if you've tested it in hardy, perhaps you could comment?
[14:48] <hti_pro> workin on the upgrade now
[14:49] <hti_pro> Ng: still 4hrs to go, not sure an upgraded system would be the best test subject for this though
[14:50] <hti_pro> does #ubuntu-kernel deal with all ubuntu kernels or just stable?
[14:50] <Ng> hti_pro: you could boot the live CD?
[14:50] <Ng> hti_pro: all
[14:50] <hti_pro> Ng: thats a good idea
[14:51] <Ng> :)
[14:51] <hti_pro> Ng: can't burn it though, because my burner is in the system with no dma, all i get is coasters
[14:51] <Ng> hti_pro: doh
[14:51] <james_w> Hi all, has anyone got an audigy 2 sound card?
[14:52] <hti_pro> Ng: this is also a mythtv box, I know mythtv, no dma, sounds like a joke right????
[14:52] <hti_pro> Ng: I wish it was a bad nightmare
[14:53] <whitehawk> do you know where is the logfile for hal?
[14:53] <whitehawk> I tried greping for hal things but.,.
[14:53] <whitehawk> it doesn't create an error report
[14:54] <Laggyware> Yeah, so, list of bugs: After restarting X, panels and desktop don't load, Audio fails randomly about 10mins after boot, requiring reboot to fix, gnome-terminal crashes about half of the time I load it, then if I try and kill it with the panel-applet that kills software it hangs everything, pidgin does the same thing on occasion, and the 'quit' menu freezes everything as well.
[14:57] <strabes> Does anyone else's rhythmbox not able to play anything upon resume from suspend?
[14:57] <strabes> and rhythmbox must be restarted
[14:57] <jaffarkelshac> yeah i can even play sound if another app is using sound
[14:58] <strabes> jaffarkelshac: i know that, but if i pause rhythmbox, suspend, resume, then try to unpause, it doesn't play anything. the slider doesn't even move
[14:59] <jaffarkelshac> cant help you there, i cant hibernate or suspend it never wakes
[15:01] <Ng> strabes: works for me
[15:01] <Ng> I suspend several times a day, every day :)
[15:01] <strabes> Ng: oh; strange. Maybe it will work on final release
[15:02] <Sergeant_Pony> idleone
[15:02] <Ng> strabes: it may well be too late to fix it if not, but you might want to consider filing a bug
[15:02] <strabes> i wonder if, to make it easier on me, i could just add "killall rhythmbox" to the suspend script
[15:03] <strabes> Ng: do you think i should file it in the ubuntu hardy section of launchpad or upstream?
[15:03] <strabes> like here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/
[15:04] <Ng> strabes: go to /ubuntu/ search for rhythmbox and file it there
[15:04] <DarkMageZ> strabes, does totem play sound upon resume from suspend?
[15:04] <strabes> DarkMageZ: not sure, let me check
[15:05] <strabes> brb need to suspend
[15:06] <kjetilkWork> anybody else see bad stability problems with synergys?
[15:06] <strabes> DarkMageZ: no, totem also doesn't play. this must mean it's a pulseaudio thing
[15:06] <kjetilkWork> it segfaults 15 times a day for me... :-(
[15:07] <DarkMageZ> strabes, why do you suspect pulseaudio? could just be a gstreamer problem.
[15:07] <strabes> DarkMageZ: Don't know for sure, but it never did this before they implemented pulseaudio
[15:07] <strabes> (of which i am a big fan, by the way)
[15:08] <DarkMageZ> ah, nice logic there ッ
[15:08] <strabes> do you know how i would tell? i'm not sure where to report the bug, or even to look if it has already been reported
[15:09] <DarkMageZ> strabes, i would suggest removing totem-gstreamer and installing totem-xine and see what happens.
[15:09] <strabes> can rhythmbox run w/ totem-xine?
[15:09] <strabes> i guess it wouldn't matter since i'm installing TOTEM-xine
[15:09] <mydoghasworms> Since upgrading to 8.04 Beta, the system does not seem to recognize my soundcards anymore. I have no sound. How can I find out what the problem is?
[15:09] <DarkMageZ> rhythmbox isn't worried about totems backend ッ
[15:10] <whitehawk> mydoghasworms, do you have networking?
[15:10] <whitehawk> cause since I have HAL not initing, I have no sound and net
[15:10] <mydoghasworms> whitehawk: I do
[15:11] <strabes> DarkMageZ: alright, it's downloading. I'll let you know if that fixes it for totem. the issue with totem isn't really a big deal for me though.
[15:11] <DarkMageZ> it's more of a diagnostic step rather than a fix
[15:12] <strabes> DarkMageZ: yeah, i know. well totem-xine works after resume. this must mean it's a gstreamer thing.
[15:13] <MadProcessor> Am I the only one seeing problems with avant window navigator? After I installed it, my computer has frozen up 3 - 4 times
[15:13] <MadProcessor> Could be something else I guess, but it didn't start until I had that installed, and now that I've removed it, it haven't frozen up again
[15:13] <DarkMageZ> strabes, there's a #gstreamer channel. there's also a #rhythmbox on irc.gnome.org . have fun.
[15:13] <strabes> DarkMageZ: lol, alright
[15:16] <MadProcessor> njogy80
[15:16] <m11> i am trying to install 8.04 to laptop over network with PXE server (broken cdrom / no floppy/ usb not detecting external cdrom). now when i boot that laptop, it detects netboot and start install. on install process it asks me which mirror should i select to install. is there any way i can make it work from my main PC to server alternate CD content and not have to use internet mirror for that as my line is very slow ?
[15:20] <DarkMageZ> strabes, yeah. those gstreamer guys aren't the most friendly & helpful people ever. maybe just throw everything you've gathered up on a launchpad bug or poke the rhythmbox guys who are alittle more receptive.
[15:23] <Davo_Dinkum> interesting
[15:23] <Davo_Dinkum> i can switch to a tty, but switching back just gives me a screen with a flashing _
[15:24] <Davo_Dinkum> any ideas on that?
[15:34] <yacc_> Just wondering, what package provides Python.h?
[15:35] <_someguy_> in the last round of updates, I've lost the vertical scrolling on my laptop's trackpad... any ideas?
[15:35] <Pici> yacc: have you tried searching packages.ubuntu.com? or using apt-file?
[15:36] <yacc> Pici: it's working it was just a missing apt-get update ;)
[15:44] <alexvd_> hello i am trying to upgrade to Hardy heron beta from Gutsy and the update manager is hanging on the first step.  I commented out all third party repos and made sure all updates were applied.  Anyone know what the issue is and how to resolve?
[15:45] <tomd123> does ubuntu 8.04 alternate have an option to install just base system, no gnome?
[15:58] <whitehawk> god damn gnome terminal tabs always pop out to new windows
[15:58] <whitehawk> fucking sensitive crap
[15:58] <LjL> !language | whitehawk
[15:58] <ubotu> whitehawk: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[15:59] <whitehawk> sry
[15:59] <whitehawk> anyway it is still irritating
[16:00] <sphinx_> hello all,
[16:01] <whitehawk> can't even find a checkbox to not allow this kind of behavior or something
[16:01] <whitehawk> I just click and sometimes it pops out
[16:01] <alexvd_>  hello i am trying to upgrade to Hardy heron beta from Gutsy and the update manager is hanging on the first step.  I commented out all third party repos and made sure all updates were applied.  Anyone know what the issue is and how to resolve?
[16:01] <sphinx_> can i remove pulse audio and use alsa untill the stable version ?
[16:02] <mindframe-> sphinx_, just set your sound preferences to use alsa
[16:02] <tlp> sphinx_: Disabling "Enable software sound mixing" in System>Preferences>Sound>Sounds seemed to work for me.
[16:03] <sphinx_> i will try now
[16:10] <gatestone> There definitely must be VISUAL indication, if the a dialog window misses parts from its bottom. See screenshots here: http://flickr.com/photos/anssi/ The first picture has Cancel and OK in the window bottom, the second does not have that part of thw window at all, and the user will never know!
[16:10] <tlp> sphinx_: you may have to reboot. I don't recall exactly. Are you getting audio stuttering?
[16:11] <sphinx_> mindframe-, tlp unfounatly nothing exist in soud settings, btw i'm using kubuntu
[16:11] <gatestone> Difficult to say if this is firefox, leecblock or Gnome bug?
[16:11] <mindframe-> ah sorry, i assumed ubuntu
[16:11] <gatestone> But I just wonder if it fixed in Hardy? Can anyone with 1280x800 screen try Leechblock?
[16:11] <sphinx_> mindframe-,tlp  there is no kubuntu+1 room for this i ask here :)
[16:12] <sphinx_> but i assume is the same
[16:12] <sphinx_> what appear everywhere is pulseaudio
[16:12] <gatestone> Can you see the OK and cancel with the default conf of panels top and down screen taking some vertical pixel space.
[16:21] <cshadowrun> Hey, i've tried both versions of ubuntu (But i'm currently using hardy heron) and my sound doesn't work properly.
[16:21] <cshadowrun> The main problems are when 2 applications try to use sound at the same time
[16:21] <cshadowrun> so like flash + wine = no
[16:21] <cshadowrun> totem + vlc also = no
[16:22] <cshadowrun> and of course it's a bit difficult to diagnose exactly what programs screw with what, it also seems to work sometimes and not work other times
[16:22] <jharkn> Hi, ubuntu noob here, can anyone point me in the right direction? I tried booting 8.04 beta, 64bit version; the kernel appears to load and then the screen goes black and stays black :/
[16:22] <tech0007> does anyone know what filesystem should a dvd use? udf or iso?
[16:23] <tech0007> jharkn: did u try the live cd first?
[16:23] <jharkn> yeah thats what I'm foing
[16:23] <jharkn> booting from the cd
[16:25] <jharkn> I'm guessing it's a display issue
[16:25] <tech0007> jharkn: you may want to google first if ur how your PC/display should work
[16:25] <sphinx_> mindframe-, tlp now i back to alsa, i disable configuration in the file /etc/asound.conf
[16:26] <tech0007> jharkn: i'm guessing u checked the CD first before u tried booting from it
[16:27] <jharkn> well actually trying to check it from the boot menu seemed to work but the screen was black, how can I check it from windows?
[16:29] <jharkn> the iso itself should be fine since it was torrented
[16:29] <tech0007> jharkn: this shld work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[16:29] <jharkn> cheers I'll try that
[16:30] <tech0007> good luck
[16:30] <jharkn> now
[16:31] <unicum> where again was i supposed to look to find out whether or not macbook wifi would work in 8.04?
[16:31] <hischild> so, are the latest updates stable enough to install? i heard gnome updates broke it last night?
[16:32] <tech0007> hischild: just did it a few minutes ago, seems to work fine--for me
[16:32] <hischild> tech0007, including loggin out and back in with gnome?
[16:32] <hischild> i'd like to be sure before i update it all
[16:33] <tech0007> hischild: yup...i have 2 user accounts and they all worked well
[16:33] <hischild> tech0007, alright, thanks
[16:35] <whitehawk> if hal is dead how can i make sound?
[16:36] <jbroome> if hal falls in a forest and no one is around, does it make a sound?
[16:36] <tech0007> lol
[16:36] <seb1> Ive got a problem, i can't get my qc usb webcam work.
[16:37] <whitehawk> seb1, is it a qc messneger?
[16:37] <kosmonaut> ﻿i could need some advice: I have updated ubuntu to hardy today. It worked fine. Since I have a separate /home partition all my data are still there. BUT i cannot enable my secondary user. Whenever I want to enable it with "System->Adminiastration->User". My computer says that I already have that 2nd user. But the 2nd user "add-able" any ideas?
[16:37] <whitehawk> jbroome, thx but that is not quite helpful
[16:37] <kosmonaut> but the 2nd user is not add-able
[16:38] <seb1> ﻿whitehawk: yes
[16:38] <seb1> quickcam usb messenger
[16:38] <whitehawk> then I think it wont work
[16:38] <whitehawk> only if you compile your own driver
[16:38] <seb1> ohh why
[16:38] <seb1> ok is that a problem with the Kernel?
[16:39] <whitehawk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=191770
[16:39] <seb1> thx
[16:39] <whitehawk> I have the same here
[16:39] <unicum> question rephrased: can anyone tell me if macbook wlan will be working with hardy heron?
[16:39] <whitehawk> there are two qc-usb drivers
[16:39] <whitehawk> one for messenger
[16:40] <whitehawk> now ubuntu doesn't have that AFAIK
[16:40] <tech0007> kosmonaut: you may want to do it thru cli...man usermod
[16:40] <unicum> what do i need to do if i changed the rc.local and want it running?
[16:40] <nemo> I have a laptop running Hardy where if the screen turns off, when it comes back on, it is a little distorted.
[16:41] <nemo> lines appear across the content, as if it has been squished like an accordion
[16:41] <jharkn> tech0007: I think it's my graphics card, I have an 8800 so see bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsNvidia .  I'll try using the latest stable release in safe graphics mode ( I tried safe graphics with this cd but no luck).  Also, is it possible to upgrade to x86_64 from within a x86_32 installation?
[16:41] <nemo> seemed like some display settings issue, was looking for inspiration on what to change
[16:41] <nemo> like. refresh rate, res...
[16:41] <tech0007> unicum: its an executable...run it from terminal
[16:42] <whitehawk> seb1 there is a repo for that driver in the thread
[16:42] <whitehawk> you might not need to build it
[16:42] <alexvd_> tech0007: hello i am trying to upgrade to Hardy heron beta from Gutsy and the update manager is hanging on the first step.  I commented out all third party repos and made sure all updates were applied.  Anyone know what the issue is and how to resolve?
[16:42] <tech0007> jharkn: no idea..from what i heard..32-bit works better than 64
[16:43] <whitehawk> seb1, or you should, cause that driver is old
[16:43] <tech0007> alexvd_: when i upgraded from gutsy, i used an alternate cd iso..how are you upgrading
[16:43] <seb1> ok
[16:44] <jharkn> tech0007: ok, I'm going to try 7.10 32-bit in safe graphics mode then. tyvm for the help! :)
[16:44] <alexvd_> tech0007: i am going to run application manager and doing a update-manager --devel-release
[16:45] <whitehawk> I think I will just buy a UVC compliant cam..
[16:45] <kosmonaut> tech0007: not to sure what you mean
[16:46] <seb1> I hate that, Its my third cam and they all dont work :-(
[16:46] <whitehawk> **it happens
[16:46] <whitehawk> I will compile it for myself
[16:46] <whitehawk> but I have no idea howto package it
[16:47] <tech0007> alexvd_: i remember...i mounted my alternate cd iso, then ran gksu sh /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade,,,the upgrade went smoothly
[16:47] <john149> Hi. I just installed the hardy beta, but I'm having a strange problem. I have an Nvidia 7000M, and need the non-free drivers. I selected through the "Hardware Drivers" tool, but I can't change resolution. I tried doing a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", but it never asks me to choose my driver or resolution, only keyboard layout and other options.
[16:47] <Morten^Toft> anybody here know the solution to the no-sound problem when running on a macbook=
[16:48] <tech0007> kosmonaut: cli=commandline...if you're sure that user is already recognized, you just have to make it the owner of the /home partition
[16:49] <kosmonaut> tech0007: oh...well it is excalty the opposite. /home/2user existst. but i cannot add athis 2nd user
[16:50] <seb1> Any Ideas what cameras are out of the box supported?
[16:51] <houdini> I think I've found a bug in the liveCD, and I'm wondering if anyone could help me brainstorm it before I report it
[16:51] <kosmonaut> tech0007: if i *would* do a adduser "2user" is there any chance that this command yould delete /home/"2user"
[16:51] <houdini> I've got a Dell XPS M1330, and neither 8.4b or 7.10 x64 will boot on it
[16:52] <tech0007> kosmonaut: ok, then remove and then add the user, see man deluser
[16:52] <kosmonaut> tech0007: this would be very bad ;-)
[16:52] <houdini> I've got Xubuntu 7.10 x86 working fine
[16:52] <tech0007> kosmonaut: check man userdel before you do it
[16:53] <kosmonaut> tech0007: ok i'll do
[16:53] <tech0007> kosmonaut: or better back up all your files first before you do anything
[16:53] <zo0mguy> #apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client libmysqlclient12-dev . is this hwo to install mysql?
[16:55] <tech0007> ﻿zo0mguy: normally it will prompt u to install missing dependencies
[16:55] <unicum> "aptitude dist-upgrade" doesn't bring me up to hardy. how come?
[16:56] <tech0007> unicum: whats ur version now?
[16:56] <RyanPrior> Does anybody have Virtualbox running on Hardy?
[16:56] <unicum> gutsy
[16:58] <tech0007> unicum: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[17:03] <Morten^Toft> I have a problem with the sound on a macbook. Internal speakers works fine, but line-out does not. What to do?
[17:07] <amortvigil> hey why cant i open the loginscreen edit util?
[17:07] <amortvigil> does anyone know the command to open it?
[17:08] <chloetwo> where is ISO? can't see it here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/beta/
[17:08] <jbroome> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[17:09] <chloetwo> i need beta release, not current, but nevermind, found it at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/
[17:09] <chloetwo> daily releases may be broken
[17:21] <hyper_ch> hiho, anyone got vbox (or preferrably) vmware running on hardy
[17:25] <cvd-pr> New updates , 113mb damnit
[17:26] <hyper_ch> updates are great
[17:27] <tech0007> hyper_ch: i do
[17:27] <tech0007> virtualbox
[17:27] <hyper_ch> tech0007: with vbox I always have networking issues ;)
[17:28] <hyper_ch> tech0007: did you compile it from source or download the gutsy .deb?
[17:28] <tech0007> same here. same with vmware, i tried that also
[17:28] <muszek> I have vmware, but haven't touched it for months (certainly not since dist-upgrade from gutsy)
[17:28] <tech0007> i used the repo from hardy
[17:28] <hyper_ch> vmware worked always fine on networking... I could easily ssh from my host into the guest
[17:28] <hyper_ch> I'll try first vbox
[17:29] <tech0007> sadly vmware server aint included in hardy
[17:30] <hyper_ch> it was in the partner repos in gutsy
[17:30] <tech0007> yup, does vmware in gutsy repo work in hardy?
[17:30] <hyper_ch> ok, logging out for the vbox group change to take effect
[17:33] <jharkn> tech0007: I'm in :)
[17:33] <tech0007> jharkn: its working
[17:34] <jharkn> tech0007: yeah I didn't need 32-bit 7.10 after all
[17:34] <tech0007> jharkn: great
[17:34] <jharkn> tech0007: for future reference this is how I did it
[17:35] <jharkn> tech0007: hit F6 to bring up the command line, remove 'quiet' and 'splash' switches, add 'nosplash' switch
[17:36] <jharkn> tech0007: works fine now :D
[17:36] <tech0007> woohoo
[17:45] <Seveas> jharkn, 'nosplash' isn't needed
[17:46] <_Rambaldi_> !tar
[17:46] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (GNOME) or Ark (KDE) - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[17:49] <nemo> in this bug, supposedly "linux-backport-modules-2.6.24" fixes the problem
[17:50] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/190968
[17:50] <nemo> how do I go about installing that?
[17:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190968 in linux "[hardy] [regression] iwl3945 doesn't associate on kernel 2.6.24-7" [Medium,Triaged]
[17:50] <nemo> 'cause,  doesn't seem you can just do apt-get install linux-backport-modules-2.6.24
[17:52] <nemo> hiredgoon: networking issues?
[17:52] <nemo> hiredgoon: never had a single networking issue with vbox
[17:52] <nemo> heck. ran my machine off it for months
[17:53] <jharkn> seveas: looked a bit suspect to me too but it worked in any case :)
[17:53] <hiredgoon> eh?
[17:54] <hiredgoon> nemo have you ocnfused me with someone else?
[17:54] <nemo> *sigh*
[17:54] <nemo> yeah
[17:54] <nemo> 12:27 < hyper_ch> tech0007: with vbox I always have networking issues ;)
[17:54] <hiredgoon> or are you sensing the echo of my firewall issues from three days ago?
[17:54] <nemo> oh well
[17:54] <hiredgoon> hehe
[17:54] <nemo> was just taking exception with that statement
[17:54] <aldarsior> Hello
[17:55] <hyper_ch> that took longer ;)
[17:55] <aldarsior> Is there a way to make xchat-gnome use a proxy server?
[17:57] <hyper_ch> hmmm, vbox doesn't want to run debian ;)
[18:00] <_Rambaldi_> do you have a problem with the beta?
[18:00] <echinos> is there a way to do the "best server" test from command line?
[18:00] <hyper_ch> echinos: best server trest?
[18:00] <_Rambaldi_> no idea what that means
[18:00] <jbroome> for apt repos i believe
[18:02] <_Rambaldi_> oh to find the best servers for download
[18:03] <nemo> hyper_ch: vbox works fine on ubuntu/debian - they have pkg on their website
[18:04] <hyper_ch> nemo: I can't install debian as host
[18:04] <hyper_ch> nemo: as guest I mean
[18:04] <hyper_ch> with the gutsy version of vbox
[18:05] <echinos> hyper_ch: in the gui "software sources" tool, there is a "select best server" option, to see which mirror is fastest for you
[18:05] <_Rambaldi_> !locate
[18:05] <ubotu> locate is a command-line file search utility. To make sure its cache is up to date run: sudo updatedb
[18:05] <hyper_ch> echinos: I don't use gui tools for isntalling software
[18:06] <fromport> more people developed "problems" with drag&drop of windows last 10 days or so ? when i click the top border to grap a window and drag it to the side it switches to full screen. And i'm _not_ double clicking !!
[18:07] <_Rambaldi_> hyper_ch, is there a log file for the data and txt that installing in terminal generates
[18:07] <hyper_ch> _Rambaldi_: apt-get install PACKAGES > ~/Desktop/output.txt
[18:07] <hyper_ch> that would do it
[18:09] <_Rambaldi_> i know how to output that, but i was wondering if there was a file for it for previous installs
[18:09] <echinos> hyper_ch: neither do I. ihave one box with no GUI on it, and that's where I need to test for the fastest mirror
[18:10] <echinos> whatI need is a netselect for ubuntu
[18:10] <echinos> it's an available package, but it doesn't work properly for ubuntu
[18:12] <hyper_ch> _Rambaldi_: I don't know
[18:12] <hyper_ch> echinos: normally you use the country mirror
[18:13] <_Rambaldi_> k
[18:13] <doofy_> Im trying to install w64codecs, but i cant find it anywhere in the repos
[18:13] <hyper_ch> doofy_: medibuntu
[18:14] <Ryoushi> Hey, how come GCC doesn't work on hardy?
[18:14] <echinos> hyper_ch: Icould do that, but I'd just like to know if there is a faster one
[18:14] <hyper_ch> doofy_: SWITCH is very fast for me
[18:15] <doofy_> hyper_ch, got it, thank you
[18:16] <echinos> hyper_ch: netselect works if you specify the mirrors, but it won't write the sources.list for you
[18:16] <echinos> oh, well, I'll just edit by hand
[18:17] <echinos> It's not bad for the one or two times I install it at home, but it gets to be a pain when installing for work, other people, etc.
[18:17] <hyper_ch> you can make your sources.list available somewhere and just wget it
[18:19] <echinos> yeah, but depending on what ISP the box is going to e using, the server will be different
[18:19] <nextstep> so how many other people complained about gnome being corrupted yesterday after those updates?
[18:19] <echinos> And Iinstall boxes not near where I am
[18:19] <hyper_ch> hmmm, damn... can't compile vmware either :(
[18:19] <hyper_ch> who uses gnome anyway ;)
[18:20] <echinos> I'm doing a hardy upgrade now... am I in for a problem? :/
[18:20] <nextstep> lol ... well after yesterday, I dont .. ha
[18:20] <hyper_ch> Xfce ;)
[18:20] <blueyed> If I get the black window bug with the linux-server kernel (but not the generic one), should I file a bug against the kernel or linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24. I'm using nvidia-glx-new.
[18:20] <hyper_ch> echinos: altering your system may always lead to problems
[18:20] <nextstep> no seemed a small number of us had gnome go completely south after that update yesterday
[18:20] <hyper_ch> echinos: don't do it on production machines without backups available to directly replace them
[18:21] <mohbana> how do i set the no. of lines are scrolled when i use the scroll wheel on the mouse ... like as in system wide effects
[18:22] <echinos> hyper_ch: no, it isn't "production"
[18:23] <hyper_ch> echinos: but still, an upgrade can render your system unbootable
[18:23] <hyper_ch> echinos: it's not likely but it can happen
[18:23] <hyper_ch> echinos: did you already test the desktopcd?
[18:24] <hyper_ch> anyone here runs his/her own business?
[18:24] <echinos> nope, just doing an update-manager -d
[18:24] <hyper_ch> it should work without flaws... but one never knows
[18:24] <echinos> I'm self employed... so kinda
[18:24] <bluefoxx> why isnt poweriso in the repos?
[18:25] <hyper_ch> bluefoxx: no clue what that is
[18:25] <hyper_ch> echinos: looking for some software that will do contact management, case management where you can create timesheets / attach documents and billing (based upon those timesheets)
[18:25] <bluefoxx> hyper_ch: it lets you extract iso image files, among others. i need it to burn a .daa file i require to make another computer of mine work
[18:26] <hyper_ch> bluefoxx: you can mount an iso in your file system
[18:26] <bluefoxx> hydrogen: i dont need to mount it.
[18:26] <hyper_ch> bluefoxx: you can mount any iso in the file system and then you have access to the files
[18:26] <echinos> hyper_ch: haven't seen anything FOSS for that
[18:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there
[18:26] <bluefoxx> hydrogen: i meant hyper_ch not you <<
[18:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> how is one supposed to make tablet input work on hardy?
[18:26] <hyper_ch> echinos: vtiger seems be able to do it... but it's a full featured crm which seems a bit overkill
[18:26] <bluefoxx> hyper_ch: its a .daa, ubuntu doesnt recognize it. powersio should let me convert it
[18:27] <gaetronik> Hi
[18:27] <gaetronik> it's just me or the grub paquet is broken?
[18:27] <bluefoxx> hyper_ch: i know i can mount .iso files allready, i can also open those in archive manager
[18:27] <jbroome> bluefoxx: check out acetoneiso, might handle daa's
[18:27] <hyper_ch> bluefoxx: apt-cache search daa
[18:27] <jbroome> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mount-and-unmount-isomdfnrg-images-using-acetoneiso-gui-tool.html
[18:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it is not enabled by default as it was in feisty but should I modify xorg.conf as I used to do in pre-feisty
[18:28] <bluefoxx> hyper_ch: i allready searched for the file tyupe. first thing i did
[18:28] <hyper_ch> xmms2-plugin-daap - XMMS2 - daap plugin
[18:28] <hyper_ch> it's not that?
[18:28] <jbroome> hyper_ch: no
[18:28] <hyper_ch> ok
[18:28] <jbroome> that's for talking to itunes
[18:29] <gaetronik> no one with this issue
[18:29] <hyper_ch> no clue... never used itunes... never will use it
[18:29] <gaetronik> grub reclams for udev which is not at good version
[18:30] <hyper_ch> gaetronik: there's an update to it from today
[18:30] <gaetronik> fuck it might not be on my mirror
[18:30] <hyper_ch> gaetronik: change to "ch" that's where I just got a few updates from
[18:31] <gaetronik> just a letter to change
[18:31] <hyper_ch> cz --> ch ?
[18:31] <hyper_ch> sh --> ch ?
[18:31] <gaetronik> cl->ch
[18:31] <hyper_ch> what's cl?
[18:31] <unicum> can anyone help me activate my sound? running hardy on a macbook.. alsamixer tells me i'm sound's on.. i get no output though
[18:32] <hyper_ch> colombia?
[18:32] <jbroome> university of chile
[18:32] <jbroome> err, chile itself
[18:32] <hyper_ch> ^^
[18:32] <nastas> there is a folder that i can't delete in trash can. is this a bug? any solution?
[18:32] <hyper_ch> co would be colombia
[18:32] <gaetronik> chile
[18:32] <unicum> neither on mp3's nor on vids
[18:32] <hyper_ch> unicum: don't have a macbook
[18:33] <hyper_ch> nastas: you could empty your trash as root
[18:33] <jbroome> i have a macbook, but it's running the OS that Steve intended
[18:33] <nastas> i tried in the command line hyper_ch
[18:33] <nextstep> woohoo the update didnt brick my laptop ... lol
[18:33] <nastas> it doesn't work
[18:34] <hyper_ch> I don't even know where the trash folder is
[18:35] <nastas> hyper_ch do you mean the command  "sudo rm -fr $HOME/.Trash/"?
[18:35] <hyper_ch> I don't have a .Trash folder
[18:35] <nastas> neither do i
[18:35] <hyper_ch> there you go... so trash is somewhere else
[18:36] <kbmaniac>  big trouble in kubuntu hardy .... it just did an upgrade and appears to have wiped everything apart from memtest86+ in /boot :(
[18:36] <hyper_ch> why not just sudo updatedb && locate FILE ?
[18:36] <gaetronik> hyper_ch, what's the version
[18:36] <hyper_ch> gaetronik: what version=
[18:36] <hyper_ch> ?
[18:36] <gaetronik> of grub from update?
[18:36] <hyper_ch> gaetronik: how to find out?
[18:37] <kbmaniac> yep, simple update - looks like all kernal images have been wiped
[18:37] <jbroome> hum, that might not be kubuntu-only
[18:37] <kbmaniac> I still have /boot/grub/ but no kernel images
[18:37] <gaetronik> hyper_ch, dpkg -l | grep grub
[18:37] <unicum> anyone here running hardy on a macbook?
[18:38] <hyper_ch> ii  grub                                       0.97-29ubuntu20                                    GRand Unified Bootloader
[18:38] <cvd-pr> wat the hell the update manager ask me to do a Partial Upgrade?
[18:38] <nextstep> cvd-pr:  its normal ..no worries
[18:38] <kbmaniac> problem is I logged out before I found out,
[18:38] <cvd-pr> oh ok
[18:38] <nextstep> cvd-pr:  mine did it too when i did an update through update-manager
[18:39] <kbmaniac> I guess I need a rescue cd ... then do that chroot thing ....
[18:39] <hyper_ch> only used once the upgrade manager
[18:39] <kbmaniac> then reinstall a kernal
[18:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> In hardy beta, nautilus is showing my home directory instead than my desktop
[18:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and "desktop is home dir" is NOT checked in gconf
[18:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gconf-editor
[18:41] <greg-g> quick question: anyone know if the package volumeid should be removed from hardy? (apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove it right now)  Or, anywhere I can look for the answer myself?
[18:42] <nastas> hyper_ch i found that your Trash location is in .local/share/
[18:43] <nastas> now i can delete the file using command line
[18:43] <hyper_ch> nastas: how did you find it?
[18:43] <nastas> i google it
[18:43] <nastas> :)
[18:43] <hyper_ch> ^^
[18:43] <nastas> hyper_ch http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=488595
[18:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> nobody knows why home dir is desktop in hardy?
[18:47] <chloetwo> home dir is ~ and desktop dir is ~/Desktop
[18:49] <_Rambaldi_> by default home dir is not desktop it cam be changed
[18:55] <MTecknology> is volume-id supposed to be getting removed
[18:55] <MTecknology> volumeid*
[18:55] <xtknight> MTecknology, what context?
[18:55] <MTecknology> xtknight, updating atm
[18:56] <xtknight> MTecknology, me too.  i don't see volume-id on the remove list though
[18:56] <xtknight> did you do dist-upgrade?
[18:57] <MTecknology> no, through synaptic
[18:57] <greg-g> xtknight: "remove list"?
[18:57] <MTecknology> I haven't done it yet
[18:57] <greg-g> I am doing dist-upgrade and it is wanting to remove it
[18:57] <xtknight> greg-g, "these packages will be upgraded" "these have been kept back", tec
[18:57] <xtknight> etc
[18:57]  * greg-g hasn't done it yet either
[18:57] <xtknight> "these will be removed" it sometimes says
[18:57] <MTecknology> just wanted to make sure this is supposed to be removed
[18:57] <greg-g> xtknight: oh, I thought you meant a list from the developers
[18:57] <xtknight> oh i always stick with upgrade i think it's safer
[18:57] <MTecknology> else I wait to update
[18:58] <xtknight> well i do care a *little* about what's on this machine so i'm a *little* more cautious :P
[18:58] <tacone> hello. slocate has been obsoleted. what should I use to get "locate" command again ? (locate?mlocate?)
[18:58] <Ng> mlocate
[18:58] <xtknight> locate is still there isnt it?
[18:58] <greg-g> xtknight: that is why we asked in here if volumeid is supposed to me remove, because we are cautious
[18:58] <MTecknology> xtknight, this is my only protable system
[18:58] <tacone> no, the command is not anymore there
[18:59] <xtknight> ah i never executed slocate directly
[18:59] <xtknight> greg-g, hehe.
[18:59] <xtknight> greg-g, well prolly not safe
[18:59] <tacone> what surprises me is that they didn't replaced. just removed.
[18:59] <xtknight> greg-g, i'd use upgrade not dist-upgrade, only dist is teling you to remove volumeid isnt it?
[18:59] <greg-g> xtknight: correct
[18:59] <xtknight> tacone, hmm.  i had "locate" ever since i installed hardy.  maybe it got removed later on
[19:00] <tacone> xtknight: it got removed 5 minutes ago :D
[19:00] <xtknight> eh?
[19:00] <xtknight> maybe it's that last "dist" update
[19:00] <xtknight> :p
[19:00] <xtknight> scares me
[19:00] <tacone> me too, but I did it.
[19:00] <tacone> I still have to reboot anyway
[19:00] <MTecknology> How do I disable nautilus from automatically opening when I put in a cd?
[19:01] <xtknight> MTecknology, i dont know.  i was going to file a bug for more configuration of hardware devices with the hal, because it seems to want to open a window every time the device is even in memory
[19:01] <xtknight> like if i double click something in a fileopen window, a whole big nautilus window pops up agai
[19:01] <xtknight> happens w/ HDs not just cds even
[19:02] <xtknight> at least i don't see a GUI way to configure autoplay
[19:02] <tacone> guess I'll try to reboot (*scared*)
[19:02] <tacone> bye
[19:03] <MTecknology> 8.04 is almost entirely stable for me "knock on wood anyway (with 114 updates going atm)"
[19:03] <xtknight> it's a lot better for me than gutsy beta was
[19:03] <xtknight> gutsy was crashing programs on my pc that didnt even exist :P
[19:03] <_Rambaldi_> xtknight, you mean when you mount something it auto opens
[19:03] <xtknight> _Rambaldi_, yea
[19:04] <_Rambaldi_> open the gconf-editor
[19:04] <xtknight> ok
[19:04] <_Rambaldi_> in terminal gconf-editor, apps>nautilus>preference
[19:04] <wolf4914> anyybody problems with X and nvidia drivers after updates?
[19:05] <_Rambaldi_> and untick media automount open xtknight
[19:05] <xtknight> _Rambaldi_, got it.  ill have to read through these to make sure that's what i want
[19:05] <xtknight> This only applies to media where no known x-content/* type was detected; for media where a known x-content type is detected, the user configurable action will be taken instead.
[19:05] <xtknight> do you know where this "user configurable" option is for known media?
[19:06] <_Rambaldi_> i do not xtknight sorry
[19:07] <xtknight>  Le-Chuck_ITA /apps/nautilus/preferences/desktop_is_home_dir
[19:07] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA, i just came across that, maybe that's the problem you're having?
[19:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> xtknight: I did that
[19:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but nothing changes
[19:07] <xtknight> o
[19:08] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA, restart nautilus?
[19:08] <fiXXXerMet> Is Hardy supposed to be out toward the end of the month, or?
[19:08] <xtknight> after changing the option
[19:08] <tacone> 14 days ?
[19:08] <xtknight> !hardy | fiXXXerMet
[19:08] <ubotu> fiXXXerMet: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[19:08] <fiXXXerMet> Ah, 24th.
[19:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> xtknight: nope
[19:09] <fiXXXerMet> And when it goes stable, I can use apt to upgrade from beta?
[19:09] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA, so your desktop is showing the home dir?
[19:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes
[19:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I changed that setting
[19:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it was not checked anyway
[19:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so I checked it
[19:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> restarted nautilus
[19:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> then unchecked, restarted again
[19:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> nothing changed
[19:09] <xtknight> how did you install ubuntu?
[19:10] <xtknight>  and separate /home partiton?
[19:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> using beta cd yesterday
[19:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes I have separate home partition
[19:10] <xtknight> hmm i've been hearing of problems with separate /home partition.  one poor guy had all his data wiped.
[19:10] <xtknight> i have a separate /home my self and no problems (yet)
[19:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> oh
[19:10] <iro> guys anyone here knows stuff about VirtualBox?
[19:10] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA, anyway let's try and fix this
[19:10] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA, type ls -al in /home
[19:10] <Juanqui> What about VirtualBox?
[19:11] <xtknight> iro, yeah, what's up/
[19:11] <tacone> Juanqui: ?
[19:11] <iro> I get en error message when i try to install anything says "iKernel.exe"
[19:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> xtknight: I suspect this may be due to the name nautilus expects from the desktop directory
[19:11] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA, if it's a single user system the entry should look like this, besides your name instead of andy: drwxr-xr-x 63 andy andy 4096 2008-04-10 03:38 andy
[19:11] <Juanqui> Did u install virtual box with apt-get ?
[19:11] <xtknight> iro, are you having a problem w/ windows?
[19:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> vincenzo@frattaglia:~$ ls -lad .
[19:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> drwxr-xr-x 42 vincenzo vincenzo 8192 2008-04-10 20:02 .
[19:11] <iro> windows and wine
[19:12] <iro> same error shows up
[19:12] <xtknight> oh ok
[19:12] <tacone> Juanqui: I have the .deb from their site
[19:12] <iro> i installed from sun's website
[19:12] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA, alright, what about the permissions on Desktop folder?
[19:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> now the question is
[19:12] <xtknight>  drwxr-xr-x  4 andy andy      4096 2008-04-10 03:26 Desktop
[19:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> WHICH is the desktop folder
[19:12] <Juanqui> what are you using wine for?
[19:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the localized "Scrivania" or
[19:12] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA, ahhh localization
[19:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> "Desktop"?
[19:12] <xtknight> hmmmm
[19:13] <xtknight> did i see a bug about this?
[19:13] <xtknight> hold on
[19:13] <iro> Trying to install a program in Windows and failed so i tried to do it in wine on linux and it has the same error
[19:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> both have rwxr-xr-x
[19:13] <Juanqui> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-modules-generic
[19:13] <Laney> Does a DAAP-enabled console music player exist?
[19:13] <Juanqui> that should get you up and running with Virtual Box. When it's installed your going to want to add yourself to Vboxusers
[19:13] <Juanqui> and then reboot
[19:14] <xtknight> Bug 138387
[19:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138387 in xdg-user-dirs "[gutsy] Localized folders are linked to nothing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138387
[19:14] <xtknight> Bug 213067
[19:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213067 in xdg-user-dirs ""Desktop" localized folder name causes missunderstandings with some p" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213067
[19:14] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA, i dont know if those are related to your problem
[19:14] <xtknight> anyway for now you could symbolically link the proper desktop dirs together
[19:14] <xtknight> ln -s realdir fakedir
[19:15] <xtknight> find out thru experimentation i guess
[19:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> xtknight: I have two proper directories, not links
[19:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maybe I got the point
[19:15] <_Rambaldi_> !virtualbox
[19:15] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[19:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> nope :)
[19:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok I am getting used to this anyway
[19:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's not uncomfortable
[19:16] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA, gksu xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update
[19:16] <xtknight> does this tell you anything/
[19:16] <xtknight> does nothing on my pc but i have no localization so i wouldnt know
[19:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA>  xdg-user-dir Desktop
[19:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> /home/vincenzo
[19:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> this is the culprit
[19:17] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA, but mine says that too and i don't have a problem
[19:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok
[19:18] <xtknight> not sure if that command takes parameters
[19:18] <xtknight> hmm
[19:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> xtknight: do you know where the name of directories is recorded?
[19:19] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA,  cat /home/andy/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[19:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> :)
[19:19] <xtknight> lol
[19:19] <iro> I still get "The installShield Engine (iKernel.exe) could not be installed" ;(
[19:19] <xtknight> can't beat that
[19:19] <xtknight> :p
[19:19] <x1250> is it just me or alsa has better sound quality than pulse?
[19:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> they are all wrong
[19:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I now will fix them
[19:19] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA, try cat the same dir, filename locale
[19:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and not care at all since we don't have the history of what happened :)
[19:19] <xtknight>  user-dirs.locale
[19:19] <xtknight> yea
[19:20] <xtknight> might need to run xdg-user-dirs-update afterwards, who knows, i dont know how to use that program
[19:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> there's a comment at the beginning of the file that says to just change the file manually
[19:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so I am installing emacs for the purpose :P
[19:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks xtknight I solved my problem
[19:22] <iro> Juanqui: i stll got the error after installing vbox
[19:22] <xtknight> ahh
[19:22] <Fritzel> if I wanted to disable compiz while I ran a specific program is it as easy as kwin --replace;/path/to/program;compiz --replace
[19:23] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA, something tells me this bug will slip through to the release version too
[19:23] <xtknight> Le-Chuck_ITA, if it was a clean install you might want to report a bug
[19:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if it was the only one :(
[19:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes I know I have more or less 100 bugs opened :)
[19:24] <xtknight> heh
[19:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks and bye, back to work
[19:25] <xtknight> cya
[19:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> however hardy is starting to rock
[19:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> let me say that
[19:25] <xtknight> yeah
[19:28] <Fritzel> is there a shell command that would allow me to create a 2 second delay before executing? what's the best way to do that?
[19:28] <_Rambaldi_> what site is good for port scanning
[19:28] <jbroome> nmap localhost
[19:28] <Juanqui> sleep 2
[19:28] <iro> nmap
[19:28] <Fritzel> thank you
[19:28] <xtknight> Fritzel,  sleep 2s
[19:29] <Juanqui> yep, more precisely
[19:29] <xtknight> what's the default?  seconds?
[19:29] <Juanqui> yep
[19:29] <xtknight> thought it was ms must be mistaken
[19:29] <Juanqui> man sleep
[19:29] <Juanqui> man sleep > "Pause for NUMBER seconds.  SUFFIX may be ‘s’ for seconds (the default),
[19:29] <Juanqui>        ‘m’ for minutes, ‘h’ for hours or ‘d’ for days."
[19:29] <xtknight> yeah
[19:29] <jbroome> i'd like to sleep for days
[19:29] <xtknight> hahah
[19:30] <iro> stupid Vbox errror.....
[19:30] <xtknight> iro, what? kernel modules not loaded or groups problems?
[19:31] <_Rambaldi_> so what is the synthax for using sleep
[19:31] <iro> idk this  "The installShield Engine (iKernel.exe) could not be installed" im new to Vbox used VMware before
[19:31] <tacone> iro: are you should it's not just something about your new windows install ?
[19:31] <xtknight> iro, that sounds like an issue with the program you're installing
[19:31] <xtknight> you said you tried it under wine and real windows with the same problem?
[19:31] <tacone> service packs or something.
[19:32] <iro> umm any program says  that
[19:32] <iro> no i tried over wine in my linux and i think it said the same thing
[19:32] <xtknight> hmm i dont get it, what says this?
[19:32] <nemo> how would I go about installing "linux-backport-modules-2.6.24" ?
[19:32] <xtknight> surely cant be everything
[19:33] <nemo> iro: um. you are using VBox under wine???
[19:33] <iro> idk wine gives exactly same error message with ti Kernel
[19:33] <iro> no'
[19:33] <xtknight> nemo, sudo apt-get install linux-backport-modules-`uname -r`
[19:33] <xtknight> nemo, this will install it for your current kernel.
[19:33] <iro> i tried in Vbox faild so tried in wine also failed
[19:33] <nemo> xtknight: gotcha
[19:34] <iro> would it be because i upgraded instead of installing cuz i didn't have any CDs so installed fresh 7.10 and upgraded
[19:34] <tacone> iro: you could try to ask in #windows ?
[19:34] <nemo> frig
[19:34] <nemo> Error reading block 16388 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while getting next inode from scan
[19:34] <iro> kk i'm on vbox too :P
[19:34] <nemo> I think I broken this disk :(
[19:35] <nemo> should have been more careful. external drives are delicate
[19:37] <xtknight> nemo, hmm where did you see this error? what context?
[19:37] <billisnice> welcome to the JuNgLE!
[19:37] <Fritzel> Could I borrow someone who can script for a second, my level of scripting expertise is very much newbie, but I can't figure out why this is not working, correctly, Warcraft III never launches, no wine output at all, the paths are correct and work outside the scripthttp://pastebin.com/df9490d7
[19:38] <Fritzel> http://pastebin.com/df9490d7 rather for easy clicking
[19:38] <xtknight> Fritzel, i dont know.  for some reason compiz is hard to script with
[19:39] <Fritzel> xtknight: 5 seconds should be plenty duration though wouldn't you think?
[19:39] <xtknight> Fritzel, technically you shouldn't have to sleep at all but yeah
[19:39] <xtknight> what exactly does "cd -" do?
[19:39] <Fritzel> returns to the previous directory
[19:40] <xtknight> cd ~mhollisjr/ is this supposed to be cd ~/ ?
[19:40] <Fritzel> yes and it is, that's just out of habit
[19:40] <Fritzel> I can change that
[19:40] <xtknight> oh i didnt even know ~user worked
[19:40] <iro> wtf? it says partial upgrade wtf is that?
[19:40] <xtknight> i need to brush up on my "cd" skills
[19:40] <xtknight> :\
[19:41] <xtknight> iro, it's a dist-upgrade, a more involved upgrade.  "partial upgrade" is sort of a misnomer
[19:41] <xtknight> it means they changed something big in hardy
[19:41] <Fritzel> yeah it does and it's handy for working with a program you have running as another user ^^
[19:41] <xtknight> such that it requires that
[19:41] <iro> oh cuz i have one now and i'm on 8.04 ;P
[19:41] <xtknight> weird
[19:41] <xtknight>  type cd ~ and press tab
[19:42] <xtknight> there's a whole host of directories that pops up
[19:42] <askand> I understand now that the archives in hardy is now frozen and "Uploads to
[19:42] <askand> main should at this point focus on release-critical bugs only"..when will these archives be unfrozen again?
[19:42] <xtknight> and some are in /var/
[19:42] <xtknight> ? :|
[19:42] <Fritzel> ahh I never thought to try that
[19:42] <Fritzel> interseting
[19:42] <Fritzel> course I was happy when I foulnt out you could user tab completion with apt-get packages ^^
[19:42] <xtknight> askand, they wont be unfrozen until the beginning of development of the next release of ubuntu
[19:43] <xtknight> askand, until then you can request a freeze exception if you feel the program is vital
[19:43] <xtknight> askand, see #ubuntu-motu about this
[19:43] <Fritzel> oh we've moved into the final stage before release?
[19:43] <askand> ﻿xtknight: but 8.04.1? What is that for? Only fixing releasecritical bugs too?
[19:43] <xtknight> askand, yea
[19:44] <xtknight> Fritzel, umm i think main is frozen and univ is not?
[19:44] <xtknight> !schedule
[19:44] <ubotu> A shedule of Hardy Heron (8.04) release dates can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[19:44] <xtknight> Fritzel, alright i guess everything is frozen starting today
[19:45] <xtknight> that's what it looks like.
[19:45] <Luckrider> so... I have a quick question, in 14 days when hardy goes live, will this chan be for Ubuntu 8.10, and cease to cater to 8.04 users?
[19:45] <jbroome> yes
[19:45] <jbroome> 8.04 will move to #ubuntu
[19:45] <GIn> how do you run command A and wait 10 sec then run command B?
[19:45] <Luckrider> that is what I thought
[19:45] <GIn> all that in 1 command of course
[19:46] <Luckrider> man... I like this chan better, there is faster response because there is less clutter
[19:46] <jbroome> then get your version of hardy set up like you want it now. :)
[19:46] <nemo> Luckrider: also expectation of knowing your stuff :-p
[19:46] <Luckrider> oh
[19:46] <Luckrider> lol
[19:47] <Luckrider> I just like it here, conversation is more complete
[19:47] <Fritzel> is there a roadmap for 8.10? I'm curious what's planned
[19:47] <john_> For some reason "artir" has marked bug #109889 as "Fix Released", but no new -ubuntuN version of Rhythmbox has been released and it's my understanding that the solution won't make it into Hardy. Anybody know why he marked it released?
[19:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109889 in rhythmbox "use cover stored to id3 tag" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109889
[19:47] <jbroome> https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=1
[19:47] <jbroome> aw, crap
[19:48] <jbroome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[19:50] <john_> Should I just set the bug status back to "In Progress"?
[19:50] <nemo> xtknight: your suggestion didn't help - still can't find the package
[19:50] <xtknight> nemo, then you need to enable the repository
[19:50] <nemo> xtknight: oh. n/m
[19:50] <nemo> xtknight: comment author had a typo
[19:51] <nemo> xtknight: backportS not backport
[19:51] <xtknight> ah
[19:51] <xtknight> john_, he probably thought that patch being posted meant released
[19:51] <xtknight> set it back to confirmed
[19:51] <john_> Will do.
[19:52] <xtknight> john_, i guess it will not make it.  hardy is frozen already
[19:52] <john_> Yeah, that's what PPAs are for ;)
[19:54] <renfrew> this might be the wrong place to ask, but is anyone using an MSI tv tuner card succesfully with mythtv/mythbuntu?  I'm shopping for a card and need suggestions...
[19:55] <Fritzel> hmm is it normal to get a system beep when you kwin --replace? or do I have something doing something it shouldn't
[19:55] <Fritzel> or rather something not doing something it should
[20:02] <_Rambaldi_> when you install aptitude in other languages does the commands change
[20:02] <Tilllinux> heya there. Is it possible to install edubuntu via apt-get after installing a "vanilla" hardy (either server or desktop)?
[20:03] <Fritzel> I'm really curious what Ubuntu 13.04 will be like
[20:03] <_Rambaldi_> why 13.04
[20:03] <redwhitewaldo> funny. .mov files play in totem with sound, but it's all black for video. what's wrong?
[20:03] <dany_21a> Fritzel: will be based on GNU/Hurd
[20:04] <Fritzel> just a few years from now picked a number
[20:05] <Fritzel> linux has made massive strides in the last 5 years, it just leaves me wondering where the next 5 will take us
[20:05] <Seren___> hi
[20:05] <Seren___> I have selected "no splash" in hardy
[20:05] <Seren___> it starts but it looks rather broken
[20:05] <Seren___>  there is no icon, only a rectangular blue area with a truncated text
[20:06] <Seren___> is that the standart "no splash" screen, it looks somewhat buggy but I haven't found any bug on launchpad
[20:06] <prodigel> Hi. Drebelion sent me here:). I'm having problems with my ubuntu installation. all worked well till 2 days ago when I realised X won't start automatically anymore. I think it has to do with my heron updates. Where do I configure X to start at boot?
[20:06] <gunashekar> ubuntu 13.04 Rocking Raven
[20:07] <Fritzel> -grin-
[20:09] <Fritzel> I'm not completely sure this is the correct way to do this prodigel but if you install the bum package with 'sudo apt-get install bum' you can set kdm or gdm to start at startup
[20:09] <Fritzel> depending on your installation and preference
[20:11] <_Rambaldi_> i would like to know the ubuntu for h in 26 years, since hardy is my first ubuntu
[20:12] <Seren___> holy howl
[20:12] <Tilllinux> zappy zatacka
[20:13] <Seren___> and it is only in 13 years since there is 2 release a year
[20:13] <_Rambaldi_> oh yeah
[20:14] <gunashekar> Happy Hummingbird
[20:14] <_Rambaldi_> do you all use just ubuntu or windows as well
[20:14] <prodigel> Fritzel: I don't see neither gdm nor kdm in bum list
[20:14] <x1250> _Rambaldi_: just linux here, ubuntu and debian
[20:15] <_Rambaldi_> x1250, which do you like the best
[20:16] <x1250> desktop: ubuntu, server: debian
[20:16] <Tilllinux> so: is it possible to install edubuntu on top an ubuntu hardy (desktop/server) installation, or do I have to download the edubuntu-addon cd?
[20:17] <_Rambaldi_> you can install edubuntu-desktop
[20:17] <Pelo> good afternoon folks
[20:18] <_Rambaldi_> it install additional 331mb of files Tilllinux
[20:19] <Tilllinux> well yes, but I'm actually asking because of the "outofthebox"-ltsp
[20:19] <Juanqui> Quick question guys. If I installed the drivers for an nVidia card from the restricted drivers manager under Kernel A and then Kernel B is released and upgrade to it. How can I recompile the nvidia module interface to make the graphics driver work with the new kernel?
[20:19] <Pelo> I upgraded to the beta a couple of days ago and I have this one issue that kind of bugs the hell out of me ,   /dev/sda2 mounts to /home/jean/Downloads but since the upgrade , for some reason  it also shows up on my desktop as Média 69.3 Gio and in  Computer and twice in places since I already had a bookmark for ~/downloads
[20:19] <Fritzel> prodigel: is it possible that they got uninstalled?
[20:20] <prodigel> no, I'm running it now:)
[20:20] <prodigel> Fritzel: just that it's started from console
[20:20] <Fritzel> hmm
[20:21] <Fritzel> that's odd
[20:21] <prodigel> Fritzel: It seems gdm had been uninstalled
[20:21] <prodigel> Fritzel: probably by mistake ...
[20:21] <Fritzel> -nod- well that should be a simple enough fix I'd think
[20:22] <prodigel> Fritzel: I'll test it now. btb
[20:22] <Fritzel> -nod-
[20:22] <prodigel> Fritzel: brb*
[20:23] <XceII> Everything works great, but, how can i make my audio universal, instead of only being able to use 1 program for audio use @ 1 time
[20:25] <x1250> XceII: pulseaudio, though in my experiencie sound quality is not that good.
[20:25] <XceII> if i switch to paulse, will it break?
[20:25] <XceII> ill give it a shot, tx
[20:26]  * Pelo still wonders about his curious double mount
[20:28] <Seren___> pelo what if you remove your bookmarks ? and the Media link on desktop ?
[20:29] <Pelo> Seren___, it won't let me remove the link from the desktop ,
[20:29] <Seren___> if you do ls -l in ~\Desktop
[20:29] <Seren___> who owns it ?
[20:29] <Pelo> Seren___, it is as if it views my /dev/sdb2 partion as a cd and mounts it to the desktop, and totaly ignores thefact that fstab mounts it
[20:30] <Seren___> I understood that but I don't know how to fix that in a clean and elegant way
[20:30] <Seren___> I don't even know why it does that
[20:30] <Pelo> Seren___, not shows in ~/Desktop  ls -l
[20:31] <Seren___> you can update a few more time until release and hope that it will be fixed somehow
[20:31] <Seren___> ( not very helpful I know :) )
[20:31] <Pelo> Seren___, a while back it dd it for a fat32 partiton  had for a sahre with my xp but it eventualy went away on it's own ,
[20:32] <tiagoboldt> hi, I've upgraded something yesterday, and when I booted today, I went to a busybox shell, with the error message that my disk uuid was not found. tried it directly with /dev/sda2 (and others since it could have changed) and nothing worked.. help? :\ @livecd now
[20:32] <x1250> Pelo: if it doesn't work you can always use the... "Ok, it doesn't work, let's start again" strategy :P
[20:32] <XceII> what im getting when i try to use more than one device for audio, it keeps saying device key is busy, how can i get around this
[20:33] <Pelo> ls x1250 you mean reinstall ?
[20:33] <x1250> Pelo: Nope
[20:33] <Pelo> x1250, ok I'm confused then
[20:33] <Seren___> tiagoboldt: http://www.joeblog.info/index.php?/archives/369-Finding-the-UUIDs-of-your-harddisks.html
[20:33] <Seren___> try to find the uuid of your disks
[20:33] <Seren___> and put that in fstab
[20:33] <x1250> Pelo: undo everything related and then carefully redo
[20:34] <Seren___> uuid are safer to use
[20:34] <tiagoboldt> Seren___:  I've checked it, it's fine.. must be something else :\\
[20:34] <Pelo> tiagoboldt, the command to get the uuid is blkid
[20:34] <Seren___> tiagoboldt: ok I didn't understand that you were using uuid before
[20:34] <Pelo> x1250, that's the thing , the only thing that was done is that caused this was upgrading to beta
[20:34] <x1250> XceII: you must use pulseaudio sound server. Install it and then: System -> Prefs -> Sound, and select pulseaudio
[20:35]  * Pelo is watching a truly crappy movie and attempting to keep track while getting help in here
[20:35] <XceII> oh ok, sry, thx
[20:35] <Seren___> can you run fsck ? ( I am not sure since you can't see your disk)
[20:35] <aldarsior> Hello
[20:35] <aldarsior> I have a weird issue with gnome
[20:35] <aldarsior> I have 3 monitors, two of which are on an nvidia card
[20:35] <Luckrider> what is the partial upgrade that came out today?
[20:35] <aldarsior> the middle one is not
[20:36] <aldarsior> and gnome isn't managing it
[20:36] <Pelo> Luckrider,  msotly gnome related stuff
[20:36] <Luckrider> oh
[20:37] <esox> hi; I try another time : my midisport usb doesn't work anymore on hardy, it was working fine on gutsy
[20:37] <tiagoboldt> i've checked again my menu.lst and udevinfo for my disk uuid, that's ok :\
[20:37] <tiagoboldt> I have access to all the partitions with the live cd
[20:37] <Seren___> tiagoboldt: did you try to run your computer with a previous kernel version ?
[20:38] <Seren___> it might be related to a kernel update maybe
[20:38] <tiagoboldt> Seren___:  ups, sure, but I've deleted the old ones :\
[20:38] <tiagoboldt> since I've booted once and it was working, I've deleted the previous version as I usually do :\
[20:39] <XceII> um, pulse audio server is installed, and i was using it
[20:40] <jdn>  I have an external harddrive that I use with ubuntu. Everytime I reboot it makes a new mount locaton in media. The first mount for example was everything, the next reboot is everything_, the next is everything__, so on and so on, is there a way to get rid of the clutter of "everything" folders/mounts that are residing in my /media location?
[20:40] <tiagoboldt> can I, somehow, fakeroot into the partition, and try to update it inside the livecd session?
[20:40] <Seren___> tiagoboldt: I dunno
[20:41] <jdn> Basically, when I reboot, I want the mount location to stay the same each time. Instead of ubuntu creating a new location with each boot..
[20:42] <x1250> tiagoboldt: uncomment #hidenmenu in /boot/grub/menu.lst and install previous kernel version. You can uninstall linux-image-generic and family also. In that way your kernel will be updated only if you update it manually (I prefer that)
[20:44] <tiagoboldt> x1250: how can I install a previous version? :l I'm running the  live cd, can I fakeroot into the partition? I'm able to use it, but not to install anything, since it's just a mounted partition and anything installed would be in the livecd session
[20:47] <tech0007> tiagoboldt: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[20:47] <x1250> Uhm, I think it is: chroot /mnt/disk /bin/bash
[20:47] <tiagoboldt> sudo chroot /mnt
[20:47] <x1250> replace disk with your mounted partition
[20:47] <tiagoboldt> that's it :)
[20:53] <x1250> tiagoboldt: you probably want to get rid of this metapackages: linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic. You'll have to upgrade your kernel by hand in the future, but the way I understand it, thats a good thing
[20:54] <tiagoboldt> first, i need to understand why I cannot update my packages
[20:54] <tiagoboldt> after apt-get update:
[20:54] <tiagoboldt> FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor
[20:54] <tiagoboldt> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[20:55] <Luckrider> is there a way to view WPS files with Hardy?
[20:56] <malnilion> Word Perfect?
[20:56] <Luckrider> um... let me try
[20:56] <Luckrider> thanks
[20:56] <malnilion> Luckrider, are those word perfect files?
[20:56] <Luckrider> oh
[20:56] <Luckrider> um
[20:56] <Luckrider> not sure
[20:56] <Luckrider> let me google
[20:57] <mheath> No
[20:57] <mheath> Microsoft Works, most commonly.
[20:57] <mheath> And, I doubt it.
[20:57] <Luckrider> yeah
[20:57] <Luckrider> it is microsoft works
[20:58] <x1250> tiagoboldt: is that partirion read only?
[20:58] <malnilion> If Open Office can't open them, I think you're out of luck
[20:58] <tiagoboldt> nop
[20:58] <Luckrider> ok
[20:58] <mheath> Luckrider: Those files are pretty old, I think, too.
[20:58] <tiagoboldt> i'm able to touch files
[20:58] <Luckrider> let me see if OO can open it
[20:58] <mheath> Luckrider: As, in later version of Microsoft Works, it just uses Word.
[20:58] <Luckrider> I was just sent it today for an english project
[20:58] <tiagoboldt> went to /var/cache/apt/archives, I'll install something old from there and reboot:)
[21:00] <tiagoboldt> well, installing now, thanks for the help, let's wish I'm not back;P
[21:00] <Luckrider> hey... Mheath, open office did open it, when i first clicked it, it said there was no data, when I clicked open in OO, it came up
[21:00] <Luckrider> thanks
[21:01] <mheath> Luckrider: cool, glad it worked out. It's encouraging to find out that Open Office even works with such obsolete formats
[21:01] <Luckrider> lol
[21:01] <Luckrider> yup
[21:01] <Luckrider> I love open source technology
[21:01] <mheath> MS doesn't even make Works anymore, and that particular format was apparently obsoleted in 2000. I don't know who sent that to you, but they're either confused, or way behind.
[21:02] <Luckrider> It was a freind of mine for an english project
[21:02] <Luckrider> I am actually switching him to Ubuntu
[21:02] <Luckrider> he like compiz and the ease of use
[21:04] <malnilion> My dad is a fervent supporter of WordPerfect because of the font spacing and kerning options he can use.
[21:04] <malnilion> I think OpenOffice users could benefit from such features.
[21:05] <mheath> I haven't even paid attention or cared, so I may be misinformed, but I wasn't even aware WordPerfect was maintained as a serious word processing competitor anymore.
[21:06] <malnilion> It kind of is...my dad's one die-hard supporter.
[21:10] <Sergeant_Pony> good morning / afternoon / evening
[21:10] <x1250> += / night
[21:11] <Sergeant_Pony> lol
[21:18] <Jaymac> heh, latest upgrade wants me to do a partial upgrade involving the removal of volumeid.. I think I'll wait a while
[21:20] <x1250> does # aptitude why-not volumeid, say something?
[21:21] <tomd123> does ubuntu 8.04 have an minimal base system installation?
[21:21] <x1250> you can # aptitude safe-upgrade, and it wont be deleted...
[21:21] <Jaymac> it says the package volumeid is manually installed
[21:21] <Jaymac> x1250: yeah I know, but then it holds everything back :) all 40 or so
[21:22] <Pirate_Hunter> Jaymac: what happens if you remove volumeid?
[21:23] <Jaymac> Pirate_Hunter: I'm not going to remove it
[21:24] <kane77> should amarok work with pulse audio?
[21:24] <Jaymac> grub initramfs-tools udev are being held back
[21:24] <tomd123> so no one has used the alternate install then?
[21:24] <tech0007> i did the update, it removed volumeid, is that bad?
[21:25] <x1250> that could fix it, remove and reinstall before or after upgrade. Take a look at # aptitude show volumeid, depends...
[21:25] <x1250> I have it installed, so you should too I guess
[21:27] <tiagoboldt> Hi again, came back just to say thanks ;P
[21:27] <tech0007> x1250: cant install it, apt says its missing, obseleted etc, udev replaced it
[21:28] <tiagoboldt> Installing an old kernel version solved it for me. I just had to mount myself the partition (If if let nautilus do it for me automatically, it wouldn't work)
[21:28] <x1250> maybe my repos are lagging behind.....
[21:28] <tiagoboldt> thanks :)
[21:28] <x1250> tiagoboldt: yes, nautilus mount read only iirc
[21:28] <Pirate_Hunter> Jaymac: why not what does it do in plain noobish english plz
[21:29] <icanhas> Funny question. If i install hardy using the live cd on a lappy, is there any way to transfer the running kernel / modules / proccesses to the new install and off the live cd WITHOUT restarting?
[21:29] <Jaymac> Pirate_Hunter: Synaptic says: volume identification tool
[21:29] <Jaymac> vol_id is a tool that uses a standard set of algorithms for identifying
[21:29] <Jaymac> the filesystem type of a volume and information about it.
[21:31] <x1250> strange thing I don't see udev is replacing it, but again, maybe my repos are lagging behind
[21:31] <Pirate_Hunter> Jaymac: i did the latest update and here is what my system says, it seems everything seems fine http://pastebin.com/d708a5b03
[21:33] <Pirate_Hunter> has the .zip file bug been fixed as file manager doesn't recognise & open zip files on my system by default which is weird.... hmm will test it out it might be fixed with he latest update
[21:37] <tech0007> strange, just did apt-get update, volumeid is not showing up still, but the deb is present in /var/cache/apt/archives
[21:38] <esox> ok, one more time, maybe someone will answer that time.... Since update to hardy udev rules of my midibox don't work anymore
[21:38] <Pirate_Hunter> tech0007: have you tried that command to see if it is installed because i did the same update and mine says it is installed as can be seen in my pastebin link
[21:38] <x0x> st3v3n@AmaderBanglaChat:~/NeoStats-3.0.1$   :/home/st3v3n/NeoStats-3.0.1/src/perl.c:1640: undefined reference to `Perl_Gt
[21:38] <x0x> can anyone help me with it ? st3v3n@AmaderBanglaChat:~/NeoStats-3.0.1$   :/home/st3v3n/NeoStats-3.0.1/src/perl.c:1640: undefined reference to `Perl_Gt
[21:38] <Pirate_Hunter> tech0007: oh yeah that has nothing to do with why aptitude is not showing the volumeid package
[21:39] <tech0007> Pirate_Hunter: i did, it says
[21:39] <tech0007> No current or candidate version found for volumeid
[21:39] <tech0007> Package: volumeid
[21:39] <tech0007> State: not a real package
[21:39] <tech0007> how come?
[21:39] <Jaymac> tech0007: I think the real package is lib-volumeid0 or something
[21:40] <tech0007> still nothing
[21:40] <tech0007> ok i see itlibvolume-id0
[21:41] <esox> ok, so I think there will be no help on that. Finally microsoft is not so bad...
[21:41] <tech0007> libvolume-id0 is installed on my box
[21:41] <x0x> can anyone help me with it ? st3v3n@AmaderBanglaChat:~/NeoStats-3.0.1$   :/home/st3v3n/NeoStats-3.0.1/src/perl.c:1640: undefined reference to `Perl_Gt
[21:42] <x1250> uhm, I've just full-upgraded and yes, volumeid is being uninstalled.
[21:42] <x0x> i am getting error on make
[21:42] <x0x> ;s
[21:44] <Killeroid> x0x: trying to compile the neostats irc services daemon, try the neostats irc channel
[21:44] <Pirate_Hunter> esox: lies all leis m$ the root of all evil :D
[21:45] <esox> Pirate_Hunter: well, at least I can run my midibox on windows and can help when it doesn't...
[21:45] <esox> can have
[21:46] <Pirate_Hunter> esox: so cool wait i cna do the same but then in ubuntu i have better security, vbox works, better filesystem FF rocks, opera rocks and net speed is way faster in ubuntu wtf m$ root of all evil everyone shouldnt be admin
[21:46] <esox> hardy-studio put  terrible mess n my sound apps, and nobody to at least answer one question since this morning...
[21:47] <Pirate_Hunter> esox: have you tried the ubuntu forum thats how i got resolution working they seem to put the menu else where, why dont ask me but seriously annoying
[21:47] <Pirate_Hunter> esox: ask again and you might get happy otherwise do it in the forum and wait a day for response it wont kill
[21:47] <esox> Pirate_Hunter: of course I tried ubuntu forums
[21:48] <Pirate_Hunter> esox: now be patient and wait, rome wasnt built in one day the same as your question is not going to be answered straight away
[21:48] <Pirate_Hunter> esox: as long as the system still works just make do
[21:49] <x1250> I shouldn't worry about volumeid
[21:49] <x1250> udev says Conflicts: hotplug, ifrename, libdevmapper1.02 (< 2:1.02.08-1ubuntu7), volumeid
[21:49] <x1250> volumeid is vanished
[21:49] <esox> Pirate_Hunter: thats just that I'm musician and working without midibox is like having schumacher without a car
[21:49] <Killeroid> did  tell anyone how much i hate the audio support in ubuntu/linux. its annoying when the sound in a flash video doesnt work even though i have puased my music player
[21:50] <Killeroid> *did I
[21:50] <esox> x1250: udev also gives me nightmares
[21:50] <Xiol> does anyone know whats going to happen with firefox for the release of 8.04? will it ship with the beta version of firefox, even though it's an LTS release? cos i didn't think Firefox 3 would be released before 8.04
[21:51] <Pirate_Hunter> esox: lol i see, now i understand... *sympathises for you*
[21:51] <icanhas> Xiol: that's up to the package management gods
[21:51] <Pirate_Hunter> Killeroid: hmm flash not working? havent tested that yet?
[21:51] <esox> Pirate_Hunter: but comparing the building of rome to a midibox is quite not kind for roman people
[21:52] <tech0007> lol
[21:52] <x1250> there are no broken packages in here, so I guess is a goodbye for volumeid
[21:52] <atlef> Xiol: as i understand it will be released with hardy, but ff3 is not finnished until june/july
[21:53] <Killeroid> Pirate_Hunter: try listening to music in your music player, start firefox and try to play a flash movie, sound wont work. even if you puase the soong in the meida player,still wont work, same problem the other way around
[21:53] <inspired12> hello hardy'
[21:53] <x1250> Killeroid: use pulseaudio, system -> prefs -> sound, select pulseaudio
[21:53] <inspired12> I am running it on my toshiba laptop and all the issues I had with gutsy have been resolved
[21:54] <inspired12> so I am a happy supporter
[21:55] <inspired12> I am a member of a multimedia collective from Houston, and we use Ubuntu Studio to record audio.
[21:55] <inspired12> they are all excited about upgrading to heron
[21:55] <Killeroid> x1250: i thoguht pulseauido was used by defualt, apparently not on my box
[21:55] <gunashekar> cool
[21:55] <inspired12> so I jumped on it first to see how things were developing
[21:56] <x1250> uhm, Killeroid I really don't know, since I updated from gutsy. Maybe on a clean hardy install, but I don't know
[21:56] <Killeroid> x1250: i upgraded from gutsy too
[21:56] <x1250> I had to select it...
[21:57] <coz_> guys real quick .... the nvidia 9755 driver refuses to install on hardy... is this directly related to xcb?
[21:57] <DJones> !hardy | coz_
[21:57] <ubotu> coz_: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[21:58] <coz_> DJones, yes I know that part :)
[21:58] <coz_> DJones, however every driver from the 100,xx series and later all install with no issues
[21:59] <cellofellow> Hello.
[21:59] <cellofellow> I'm using the Hardy Beta LiveCD right now and am very impressed. My NVidia HDA-Intel soundcard actually works.
[21:59] <Luckrider> Welcome to Ubuntu+1 the place for Hardy Heron discussion and support
[21:59] <acuster> hey all, is anyone having issues with java x bindings?
[21:59] <x1250> does someone in here use hardy from alpha's version to now?
[22:00] <gunashekar> yes x1250
[22:00] <coz_> acuster, yes  I have no java
[22:00] <gunashekar> me from the first alpha
[22:00] <cellofellow> But, my RealTek 8185 wireless card isn't detected. It was automatically working in Gutsy, although encryption didn't work so I used NDISwrapper.
[22:00] <coz_> x1250, I am running from alpha 4
[22:00] <cellofellow> What gives?
[22:00] <Luckrider> well cellofellow, i am glad to hear that you like Ubuntu, enjoy and maybe instsall
[22:00] <Luckrider> oh
[22:01] <Luckrider> um...
[22:01] <cellofellow> Been using Ubuntu since just after Dapper came out.
[22:01] <Luckrider> It is possible that it is a restricted driver
[22:01] <cellofellow> rtl8185?
[22:01] <x1250> hardy is the first version of ubuntu I use since hoary :O
[22:01] <coz_> x1250, yikes :)
[22:02]  * Luckrider has been using only since Edgy
[22:02] <acuster> coz_, 'no' == what? you run and crash or can't even run java apps?
[22:03]  * truthfatal since Hoary, off and on.
[22:03] <coz_> acuster, I get nothing working that concerns java  including online stuff  at this point and I have tried icedtea and all
[22:03] <acuster> thanks
[22:03] <cellofellow> doesn't seem to be detecting that my GeForce Go 6100 needs a restricted driver, either.
[22:03]  * acuster looks for 7.3 plus java issues
[22:04] <Luckrider> hmm... have you tried going to screens and graphics to change the graphics card drover
[22:04] <Luckrider> cellofellow
[22:04] <Luckrider> it is easier to configure the card there
[22:04] <cellofellow> huh, they moved that tool.
[22:04] <Luckrider> it should be in the apps under other
[22:04] <cellofellow> not available in the list
[22:04] <Laggyware> Ugh, is hardy becoming really unstable for everyone?
[22:05] <jyro> in some things
[22:05] <Laggyware> I seriously am having to reboot every hour or so
[22:05] <Laggyware> *I am
[22:05] <jyro> im having weird samba issues
[22:05] <cellofellow> Luckrider: no nvidia option, only nv.
[22:05] <Luckrider> um... have you checked the drivers towards the bottom
[22:05] <cellofellow> yes
[22:05] <Luckrider> they are open source replacements for linux drivers
[22:06] <cellofellow> disabled, says only Open Source Driver
[22:06] <Luckrider> they are retardedly named
[22:06] <Luckrider> oh
[22:06] <Luckrider> well... at the bottom was the fglx one that I needed for my Radeaon FireGl
[22:06] <jyro> question: so in smb.conf, i have authentication set to user and I have a folder shared.  When I click on that shared folder from a windows computer, I get a password prompt, but when I enter my password, nothing happens.
[22:06] <cellofellow> I know, nv is the Free driver for NVidia, but only 2D no acceleration. NVidia is the restricted one.
[22:07] <Luckrider> that is strange,, there should be a 3D version of that
[22:07] <cellofellow> Must be because of LiveCD.
[22:07] <Luckrider> that is possible
[22:07] <Luckrider> I actually forgot that you said that it was a LiveCD
[22:07] <cellofellow> Now, why would Gutsy automatically detect my wifi card while Hardy not?
[22:08] <NET||abus> why does synergy suck over wifi?
[22:08] <Luckrider> that is another strange thing, My intel cards were automaticly detected in both
[22:08] <x1250> cellofellow: maybe some buggy kernel
[22:08] <cellofellow> (Still very happy with it. I can probably fix it easily. The sound has me all happy.)
[22:08] <NET||abus> or is that old HP nx6110 laptop, just have the worst wifi card ever?
[22:08] <x1250> try using another one
[22:08] <NET||abuse> silly nick
[22:08] <Luckrider> lol
[22:08] <cellofellow> Luckrider: Intel rocks. I couldn't afford an all-Intel laptop, though, so I got an AMD+NVidia+RealTek laptop.
[22:09] <Luckrider> oh
[22:09] <NET||abuse> hah, lol
[22:09] <Laggyware> NET||abuse: Probably because you are not getting the speeds necessary. Synergy is the dual monitors with two machines thing, right?
[22:09] <Luckrider> I have a IBM T42p, it came all intel, it was free (it was my mom's old work lappie) and it is worth about 1800 bucks
[22:09] <Laggyware> If you are using it like that, surely you could hook them up with a Cat5/6
[22:09] <NET||abuse> Laggyware: yup, gottit in one :)
[22:09] <cellofellow> RealTek sucks big time. In Windows, at least, it's always dropping connections. (Works fine in Linux if you get it working.)
[22:10] <Zaqq> hi. when is the expected launch date for the finl release of 8.04?
[22:10] <Laggyware> I mean, you are hardly going to have them a distance apart.
[22:10] <Luckrider> !launch
[22:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about launch - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:10] <Luckrider> !release
[22:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[22:10] <cellofellow> Mine I got on sale for $650. Gateway.
[22:10] <Luckrider> oh, that isn't a bad price Cellofellow
[22:10] <NET||abuse> Laggyware: well it's a case of the HP NX6110 has a broken touch pad due t having to push down on the casing to keep the thing from not freesing, and the usb hub is burned out, has been for a few months
[22:10] <Luckrider> !release | zaqq
[22:11] <ubotu> zaqq: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[22:11] <NET||abuse> so i have to use my other laptop with usb mouse plugged int to use it at all :P
[22:11] <cellofellow> 1.8Ghz dual core Turion, 2GB ram. GeForce 6100, 160GB HDD. Yeah, good deal.
[22:11] <Luckrider> hat is great
[22:11] <cellofellow> 14.1" screen, too. I like smaller laptops. :)
[22:11] <Luckrider> Mine is 2ghz 2gig RAm, Radeon FireGL with 128mb
[22:11] <Luckrider> same here
[22:11] <Laggyware> right... but still, why not just get a cat5/6 in there?
[22:12] <Luckrider> I also have internal Bluetooth, and other great stuff
[22:12] <cellofellow> Shared memory here. Only downside. :(
[22:12] <Luckrider> oh
[22:12] <cellofellow> Bluetooth I lack.
[22:12] <Luckrider> ahh... I only use it for my wiimote
[22:12] <cellofellow> Well, 2 weeks. Maybe I should see if there's a bug for RealTek wifi cards.
[22:12] <Luckrider> yeah only 2 weeks to go
[22:13] <Luckrider> have you tried doing an update with the Live CD?
[22:13] <cellofellow> I've been using a USB headset for sound these last few months. Very nice for Skype, but sucks for multimedia stuff.
[22:13] <cellofellow> Update?
[22:13] <Luckrider> can't you update in the RAM with the live cd
[22:13] <Luckrider> ?
[22:13] <Luckrider> I think it is possible
[22:13] <Laggyware> I want to check out the eeePC. My only problems are the screen resolution, and the cost. It's a lot for such an underpowered device. The whole point of it was to be small and cheap, but they lost the latter.
[22:13] <Luckrider> I haven't used it much though
[22:14] <cellofellow> Yeah, just installed nvidia-glx-new
[22:14] <Laggyware> It's now more of a poor-man's macbook air.
[22:14] <cellofellow> haven't set it up though.
[22:14] <Luckrider> although cellofellow, I have "installed" beryl in edgy off of the live
[22:14] <cellofellow> I love the EeePC, wish I could afford one. (Spent all me money on this full-power laptop.)
[22:14] <Laggyware> Should see soon enough though, if Asus's PR department ever get their act together.
[22:15] <Luckrider> I want a new MBP, I will probly get one for college at the end of the next school year
[22:15] <Laggyware> Problem is, I want a laptop, sub-notebook, LAN rig, and to upgrade my current rig.
[22:15] <Luckrider> oh
[22:16] <cellofellow> I'm not going to do a dist-upgrade to Hardy, I've had bad experiences with those. (Just old settings messing up new programs.) So, I need to backup my data and reinstall one of these days. I think I'll wait for the final release.
[22:16] <Luckrider> See, I just don't want Windows, and I like macs, plus... My mom gets a discount through IBM from apple
[22:17] <Laggyware> I mean, my current rig is powerful, but It's large and heavy. (Coolermaster Cosmos, thing weighs 20kg itself, plus components, plus water cooling (rads weigh 5kg by themselves, and fluid is heavy too) - if it wasn't for the rails on the case, I doubt i'd be able to move it) - It's powerful though, I really just need more hard disk space.
[22:17] <Laggyware> 1.5TiB seems like a lot, but I manage to use it all up.
[22:18] <Luckrider> lol, You should get a few 1 tb ecternal HDD's from somewhere like newegg
[22:19] <Laggyware> a) England :P b) External? Please. My case is huge for a reason. c) 750GB is the sweet-spot price-wise ATM.
[22:19] <Laggyware> I'll probably grab a pair of 750s to bump me up to 3GB
[22:19] <Luckrider> or there is this rig
[22:19] <Luckrider> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229027
[22:19] <Laggyware> fortunatly I use LVM, so I can add space easily.
[22:20] <cellofellow> never bothered to figure out LVM.
[22:20] <Luckrider> quite a hefty price though
[22:21] <Laggyware> I hate laptops because you can't build them yourself
[22:21] <cellofellow> Only problem with them?
[22:21] <Laggyware> I would never buy a pre-built PC ever again.
[22:21] <Luckrider> yeah, the only way to do that is very carefully
[22:21] <Laggyware> No, plenty of others.
[22:22] <Laggyware> You pay a lot, in both money and performance, for a laptop.
[22:22] <Luckrider> I like lappies though, I am on the move to much for a desktop
[22:22] <Luckrider> Well, I have a lappie that is faster than most new desktops, and it is 2 years old
[22:22] <Laggyware> Heh. Mine is the exact opposite of a laptop. It's huge, powerful, and pretty much as quiet as is possible.
[22:22] <Luckrider> 2ghz is very fast still
[22:23] <Laggyware> I was shocked by the 45nm Intel CPUs though, or rather, their stock cooling.
[22:23] <Laggyware> Have you seen the stock coolers?
[22:23] <sourcemaker> are there any known problems with vitualbox and windows 2003 server? I can't establish a connection with remote servers with vpn using my windows 2003 server...
[22:23] <Laggyware> The 65nm intel coolers were these big circular aluminium things, with a copper core, and a fan on top
[22:23] <Luckrider> I have a desktop that has 3ghz processor from 2002, but it is slow even with 2gig Ram because it has Xp, and is full of crap
[22:23] <Laggyware> about 3 inches deep
[22:24] <Laggyware> the 45nms have the same design, except it's about 1cm thick
[22:24] <cellofellow> sourcemaker: are you using NAT or Bridge networking with vBox?
[22:24] <Laggyware> Because they run so much cooler
[22:24] <sourcemaker> cellofellow: yes
[22:24] <Laggyware> it's crazily small, no copper core either
[22:24] <Laggyware> they just don't need as good cooling.
[22:24] <Luckrider> I like my desktop for hardware, it is fast, powerfull, small and black
[22:24] <Laggyware> Unless you overclock them like I would. Although, even then, you don't need that much.
[22:26] <Laggyware> Heh. My desktop is basically overkill centeral. My PC is huge, water cooled, I have two 24" monitors, and a 5.1 sound system with a sub bigger than most people's PCs.
[22:26] <Laggyware> I use it all though
[22:26] <Luckrider> Well, for being 6 years old, it is very fast. Also, 2gig RAM is still not bad. The final thing I like about it is that it is not so ugly as other computers
[22:26] <sourcemaker> cellofellow: why are there so many problems with vbox... maybe it's better for me to leave vbox and stay at vmware...
[22:26] <Luckrider> that is overkill
[22:26] <Luckrider> I would like that though
[22:26] <Laggyware> It isn't overkill, actually, since I use it all
[22:27] <Luckrider> oh
[22:27] <Luckrider> I would too
[22:27] <Laggyware> That's why if I did get a laptop, I'd have to get one of those super-high density 17"ers.
[22:27] <Luckrider> except, i would get frustated sitting in the same position
[22:27] <Laggyware> Otherwise I'd hate the cramped display.
[22:27] <Laggyware> I mean, I hate being without duals for a start.
[22:27] <Luckrider> I would like to have a computer like yours, and then controll it from a lappie
[22:27] <Laggyware> Dual monitors is just so useful.
[22:28] <Luckrider> I have a dual for my 14" lappie
[22:28] <Luckrider> it is another 14"
[22:28] <cellofellow> never got that working.
[22:28] <Laggyware> 14" >.<
[22:28] <Luckrider> it is small enough to sit on my lap
[22:28] <cellofellow> and I don't have a decent monitor to do it with.
[22:28] <Laggyware> A friend of mine has dual 19"ers and even that seems really cramped now to me
[22:28] <cellofellow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/206149
[22:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206149 in ubuntu "The system doesn't recognize my Realtek RTL8185 wireless card." [Undecided,New]
[22:28] <Laggyware> even though I ran dual 19"ers not so long ago
[22:29] <Luckrider> Mine is a 14"  from IBM, it is in perfect box shape, but it was "thrown out" by IBM
[22:29] <Luckrider> Laggyware
[22:29] <hiredgoon> i use synergy to link at least three pcs together now instead of using dual monitors etc.  :)
[22:29] <Luckrider> I have several 19"s, but they are too big
[22:29] <Lattyware> Yeah. I'm just saying, I'm so used to large displays.
[22:29] <cellofellow> Biggest monitors here are standard 17" CRTs.
[22:30] <Luckrider> I know how you feel, I am the same way with tV's
[22:30] <hiredgoon> i got to take two 19"s with me when i left my last job but then one broke
[22:30] <Luckrider> Mine are all LCD, there is only one really old CRT that isn't used
[22:30] <hiredgoon> now i want a 22" lcd
[22:30] <Luckrider> wow
[22:30] <hiredgoon> 1680x1050 would match my laptop nicely
[22:30] <Lattyware> I hate high def TVs too, Every time I look at one, I just think 'Ouch, low pixel density'.
[22:30] <hiredgoon> just below hd res
[22:31] <Luckrider> mine are all 1400x1500
[22:31] <Luckrider> oh wait
[22:31] <Luckrider> I just realized
[22:31] <hiredgoon> 1400x900?
[22:31] <Luckrider> there is a 20 year old monitor upstairs
[22:31] <Luckrider> no, it is
[22:31] <Luckrider> 1400x1280
[22:31] <Luckrider> that is it
[22:31] <Luckrider> sorry
[22:31] <hiredgoon> hehe, np
[22:32] <hiredgoon> 1280x1024 is all i can drive this sucker at if i want a decent refresh
[22:32] <Lattyware> I have a total res of 3840x1200, I wish I could get bigger, but triple monitors lack good support, and 30"ers are just too expensive.
[22:32] <hiredgoon> decent = 78hz or above
[22:32] <hiredgoon> er, 75hz
[22:32] <Luckrider> but, there is a 13" upstairs from 1989, it is for a 1989 IBM
[22:32] <Luckrider> lol
[22:32] <hiredgoon> does compiz handle big res desktops now?
[22:32] <Luckrider> I have 50 for the built in
[22:32] <Luckrider> and 60 for the 14" external
[22:33] <Luckrider> the 19" monitors are > 79
[22:33] <cellofellow> the Restricted Drivers app isn't setting up my nvidia card, I don't get it.
[22:34] <Luckrider> that sucks
[22:34] <Luckrider> I hate when that happens
[22:34] <cellofellow> I'm not in the mood to reconfigure xserver-xorg just to see some fancy GUI stuff on a LiveCD distro neither.
[22:34] <Luckrider> lol
[22:34] <hiredgoon> heh
[22:37] <cellofellow> well, I can wait two weeks
[22:38] <cellofellow> oops
[22:42] <Luckrider> lol, accidental close and join
[22:42] <jaebird_alt> has anyone gotten an ATI Radeon in Dual Head under hardy beta?
[22:42] <Luckrider> I have a radeon FireGl
[22:42] <Luckrider> that works
[22:42] <Luckrider> with 3d accelerator
[22:42] <Luckrider> I use the flgx driver
[22:43] <jaebird_alt> Luckrider, no "white screen" ?
[22:43] <Luckrider> or something close to that jaebird_al
[22:43] <Luckrider> what do you mean "white Screen"?
[22:43] <Luckrider> jaebird_alt?
[22:43] <jaebird_alt> when i installed the flgx driver i got logged in to a white screen...no actuall desktop shows up
[22:43] <Luckrider> oh
[22:44] <jaebird_alt> just a white screen and a mouse cursor :(
[22:44] <Luckrider> hmmm. that is strange
[22:44] <Luckrider> is it an x cursor?
[22:44] <Luckrider> I mean to say, is it in the shape of an x
[22:44] <Luckrider> ?
[22:44] <jaebird_alt> no, actual mouse pointer
[22:44] <Luckrider> oh
[22:44] <cellofellow> ok, there is no rtl8185 driver in Hardy. Huh.
[22:44] <Luckrider> I don't know
[22:45] <jaebird_alt> ok...i'll keep trying
[22:45] <jaebird_alt> thx
[22:45] <Luckrider> sorry cellofellow, I don't think so
[22:45] <Luckrider> ok
[22:45] <Luckrider> sorry I couldn't be more help
[22:45] <cellofellow> well, looks like it'll be ndiswrapper again.
[22:45] <Luckrider> is that the 2D driver?>
[22:45] <Luckrider> *?
[22:46] <cellofellow> no, that's the wrapper for Windows wireless drivers in Linux.
[22:46] <Luckrider> oh
[22:46] <cellofellow> Using that in Gutsy.
[22:46] <Luckrider> ok
[22:46] <Luckrider> so... if it works do try to fix it
[22:46] <Luckrider> I do that, and brake it
[22:46] <Luckrider> lol
[22:46] <akleinho> hello, I'm having a lot of 'lookup errors' using kubuntu 8.04 (for example with firefox), has anyone heard about these?
[22:46] <cellofellow> well, there was an rtl8185 driver in Gutsy, although packages.ubuntu.com doesn't know that.
[22:47] <Luckrider> what do you mean lookup errors?
[22:47] <cellofellow> akleinho: you mean DNS errors?
[22:47] <sTiVo> hello
[22:47] <Luckrider> akleinho?
[22:47] <akleinho> i mean an error like the following:
[22:47] <akleinho> (wait a moment, i'm copying the error)
[22:47] <Luckrider> use pastebin
[22:47] <Luckrider> !pastebin |akleinho
[22:47] <ubotu> akleinho: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[22:48] <sTiVo> I am trying to develop some interfaces to AIM in java on ubuntu 7.10.  I am having a little trouble.  There is a package available in RedHat called nss-devel that is required for the AIM SDK to work.  Does something similar exist for Ubuntu?
[22:48] <akleinho>  /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b5/firefox: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_dpgettext
[22:48] <Luckrider> this chan is for Hardy sTiVo
[22:48] <Luckrider> go to #Ubuntu
[22:48] <akleinho> ubotu: this is the only line i get, hope it isn't too much?
[22:48] <cellofellow> !ubotu
[22:48] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[22:48] <Luckrider> no
[22:48] <sTiVo> I guess I don't belong here because I don't even know what Hardy is.
[22:49] <sTiVo> thanks
[22:49] <Luckrider> akleinho, ubotu is a bot
[22:49] <inspired12> !hardy
[22:49] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[22:49] <akleinho> Luckrider: ah, I see :)
[22:49] <Luckrider> the ! calls him
[22:49] <Luckrider> lol
[22:50] <Luckrider> !windows
[22:50] <ubotu> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents
[22:50] <Luckrider> lol
[22:50] <Luckrider> there must be 1 million commands for ubotu
[22:50] <Pirate_Hunter> ubotu that brings back memories i remember the first time i tried talking to it thinking it was a person :D
[22:50] <Luckrider> lol
[22:50] <Luckrider> I thought so too
[22:50] <inspired12> !ditto
[22:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ditto - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:51] <Luckrider> that was a few weeks ago (I am new to Beta testing for Linux)
[22:51] <inspired12> well ubotu, ditto is what people say when they agree
[22:51] <Luckrider> lol
[22:51] <Luckrider> !freedom
[22:51] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[22:51] <Luckrider> lol
[22:51] <akleinho> so has anyone any experience with these kind of 'lookup errors'?
[22:51] <Luckrider> !sppech
[22:51] <inspired12> freedom is important!
[22:51] <Luckrider> !speach
[22:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sppech - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:51] <akleinho> I thought this room was about ubuntu, not ubotu ;P
[22:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about speach - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:51] <Luckrider> wow
[22:51] <Pirate_Hunter> akleinho: what errors?
[22:51] <Luckrider> I can't spell
[22:52] <akleinho> /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b5/firefox: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_dpgettext
[22:52] <Luckrider> !speech
[22:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about speech - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:52] <Pirate_Hunter> akleinho: its about hardy but mostly anything goes if no one needs help
[22:52] <Luckrider> !computer
[22:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about computer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:52] <cellofellow> akleinho: something up with libgtk having a but, or Firefox 3b5.
[22:52] <akleinho> Pirate_Hunter: I understand, only kidding ;)
[22:52] <cellofellow> bug
[22:52] <Pirate_Hunter> Luckrider: stop abusing ubotu
[22:52] <Luckrider> lol
[22:52] <Luckrider> ok
[22:53] <Luckrider> I have
[22:53] <cellofellow> !botsnack
[22:53] <akleinho> yes, i think it is libgtk then, because it happens with other programs too (audacity for example)
[22:53] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[22:53] <Luckrider> lol, wasn't me
[22:53] <Pirate_Hunter> Luckrider: lol
[22:53] <cellofellow> akleinho: what version of libgtk?
[22:53] <Pirate_Hunter> i know but that response was funny
[22:53] <Luckrider> although, I like how an official company has fun with their support IRC channels
[22:53] <akleinho> how to find out?
[22:54] <sourcemaker> how can I configure virtualbox in kubuntu using direct connection without this fucking NAT?
[22:54] <cellofellow> akleinho: aptitude show libgtk
[22:54] <Luckrider> !virtualbox
[22:54] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[22:54] <Pirate_Hunter> !language | sourcemaker
[22:54] <ubotu> sourcemaker: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[22:54] <cellofellow> sourcemaker: try the wiki, I think it has stuff about the Bridge mode.
[22:54] <Luckrider> wow, that was a random guess
[22:54] <gribelu> sourcemaker: everything you need is in the virtualbox manual
[22:54] <cellofellow> Luckrider: haha.
[22:54] <akleinho> hmm, I'm currently using a ubuntu7.10 cd, so i guess i'll have to go back to 8.04 to find out?
[22:55] <Luckrider> I am good like that I guess
[22:55] <Pirate_Hunter> sourcemaker: go to vbox channel for that
[22:55] <sourcemaker> I have already been there+
[22:55] <Luckrider> no on eis there?
[22:55] <gribelu> the manual will do .. i used it and i got it :)
[22:55] <Pirate_Hunter> akleinho: if youre using 7.10 why are you here?
[22:55] <cellofellow> #vbox is very quiet.
[22:55] <Luckrider> that is the problem I have with some of the other chans
[22:55] <Pirate_Hunter> cellofellow: it always is those b******
[22:55] <Luckrider> !#vbox
[22:55] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[22:55] <cellofellow> he's using a livecd cause his install is messed up.
[22:55] <akleinho> I'm using the 7.10 cd at the moment, because there are more problems then only this one with 8.04...
[22:56] <Luckrider> hmm. I thought it might give info on that chan
[22:56] <akleinho> but my question is about 8.04, so i guess that question belongs here
[22:56] <Pirate_Hunter> cellofellow: i installed 8.04 on my reformated hd stupid i know but watdheck youre only young once :D
[22:56] <Sergeant_Pony> what's virtual box used for?
[22:56] <Pirate_Hunter> Sergeant_Pony: read ubotu message
[22:56] <GIn> Sergeant_Pony: google
[22:56] <Luckrider> that is what I did Pirate_Hunter
[22:56] <cellofellow> Sergeant_Pony: It's a virtual machine, run one OS inside another.
[22:56] <DBO> anyone wanna guess why after suspend my computer tries to load ip6_tables?  (this also seems to cause suspend issues)
[22:57] <Luckrider> !google
[22:57] <ubotu> google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[22:57] <Sergeant_Pony> cool will it run win xp?
[22:57] <cellofellow> !virtualbox > Sergeant_Pony
[22:57] <cellofellow> Sergeant_Pony: anything from FreeDOS to Vista.
[22:57] <Luckrider> !virtualbox | Sergeant_Pony
[22:57] <ubotu> Sergeant_Pony: virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[22:57] <Pirate_Hunter> Sergeant_Pony: yes it will just dont try to run mac os
[22:57] <Luckrider> that is better
[22:58] <Sergeant_Pony> nice, I have winxp on my other partition
[22:58] <Luckrider> If you want mac, try Kalyway
[22:58] <Luckrider> google it
[22:58] <akleinho> \quit
[22:58] <Luckrider> ok... food time
[22:59] <cellofellow> Anybody use the new virt-manager thing instead of VirtualBox?
[22:59] <tacone> cellofellow: I tried.
[22:59] <cellofellow> tacone: and?
[22:59] <tacone> nice, but slow
[23:00] <tacone> and forced me to create a virtual hd. (I was only going to run hardy iso)
[23:00] <cellofellow> I thought KVM benchmarked faster than VirtualBox.
[23:00] <cellofellow> VirtualBox needs a VDI, so what?
[23:00] <chloetwo> why ubuntu only see 3.8 gb? bios report 4gb, memory remap enabled, ubuntu is 64-bit
[23:00] <Pirate_Hunter> cellofellow: what new virt machine tell me tell me i wanna know
[23:00] <tacone> cellofellow: I didn't do extensive testing, and didn't turn off debugging, benchmarks etc.
[23:01] <tacone> cellofellow: I am not sure about what vm engine I told it to use, tough, just did a quick test :)
[23:01] <cellofellow> Pirate_Hunter: apparently Hardy comes with a new KVM-based Virtual Machine installed by default.
[23:02] <cellofellow> tacone: KVM needs a CPU with virtualization built in, while kQEMU and VirtualBox don't.
[23:02] <tacone> cellofellow: not installed by default. not in the beta at least. or not the gui :)
[23:02] <cellofellow> ok, what's up with the notes on the wiki?
[23:02] <tacone> cellofellow: I have a cpu like that, I guess.
[23:02] <tacone> cellofellow: but virtualbox and vmware avoid built-in virtualization, for performance reasons.
[23:03] <cellofellow> You can turn it on in VirtualBox if it's supported for a speed boost.
[23:03] <Pirate_Hunter> cellofellow: oh forgot about that 0_o how good is it and compared to vbox/vmware how does it performe?
[23:03] <tacone> I rode that on vbox faq and on a vmware whitepaper
[23:03] <cellofellow> Pirate_Hunter: ask tacone.
[23:03] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: oh forgot about that 0_o how good is it and compared to vbox/vmware how does it perform?
[23:04] <Xiol> chloetwo: does your BIOS report exactly 4gb? cos RAM sticks usually vary in size slightly. plus i think the kernel reserves some RAM for itself that doesn't show up (may be totally wrong tho)
[23:04] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: I really can't tell. tested for too few time (minutes). but if you're on hardy you can install it straight away
[23:04] <cellofellow> I'm a happy VirtualBox user myself, but I want to set up Hardy on some other people's computers and Virt-Manager seemed useful.
[23:05] <tacone> cellofellow: for now I'll stick with vbox
[23:05] <cellofellow> I'm somewhat worried about what SUN might do to it, though.
[23:05] <tacone> I guess they're building bases for further grow
[23:05] <chloetwo> Xiol yes it says 4096 mb and vista 32-bit says 4.00 GB, and i highly doubt that ram sticks vary in size
[23:05] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: ok will test it myself since i need to check out a few small distros what is it called?
[23:05] <tacone> anyway, it's feels usable, not an beta-ish thing
[23:06] <Xiol> chloetwo: well, when i mean vary in size i mean a few mb.
[23:06] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: why would you stick with vbox when you havent tested it properly?
[23:06] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter:  it's called virt-manager :)
[23:06] <Xiol> chloetwo: well, they used to. i don't pay attention to my bios anymore
[23:06] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: thanx will do so now
[23:07] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: because I don't really need virtualization for now :). I have windows already installed on vbox, so I'll just stick with it for now
[23:08] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: the thing I'd be really interested in is better-than-vbox hameless-mode support, and directx emulation
[23:08] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: both things are not likely to happen soon.
[23:08] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: ok I guess its the same when i using gutsy "why arent you using vmware" answer cause vbox was the app that i found first
[23:08] <ian__> is anyone else concerned that hardy heron will be going out before firefox 3 is released?  is there any discussion/documentation around the support for that?
[23:08] <cellofellow> directx would be a real pain, seemless mode is a little crabby with Compiz.
[23:08] <Xiol> ian__: i asked the same question about 20 mins ago
[23:08] <ian__> xiol: lol  nice
[23:09] <Xiol> ian__: doesn't seem to be a decent answer except that it's up to the package managers
[23:09] <ian__> xiol: my main concern is that there's very few plugins ready for ff3
[23:09] <Pirate_Hunter> ian__: well the beta is performing well no sites are broken so i dont mind and my net is fast compared to when im in windows and i mean that which is sad
[23:09] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: vmware player felt (very) slightly faster than vbox and (little) less memory intensive. but the free edition of vbox allows me to setup vmachines via gui, which is what I need
[23:09] <cellofellow> the only thing I could think of allowing full acceleration in a VM is to allow the guest to directly access the GPU using its own tty, like X.
[23:09] <Xiol> ian__: yeah i agree. it seems silly that an LTS release will ship with a beta browser
[23:09] <cellofellow> :/
[23:10] <tacone> ian__: there's a plugin to convert your plugins to support firefox 3
[23:10] <cellofellow> Firefox 2 has grown on me and Firefox 3 is a bit of a breath of fresh air. I like it.
[23:10] <Xiol> ian__: as much as it kicks ass :)
[23:10] <tacone> ian__: many will likely work
[23:10] <Pirate_Hunter> why would anyone tor their connection to freenode, its freaking freenode
[23:10] <tacone> ian__: because firefox3 refuses plugin only because of plugin configs.
[23:10] <[Neurotic]> Heya - I got an update this morning, and now Flash in Firefox3B5 no longer works.  Is this something that's a known issue?
[23:11] <Xiol> tacone: a lot of them do work if you disable compat checking, but you still can't install new extensions from the website unless the extension is compatible (unless there is a way around this i don't know about)
[23:11] <tacone> ian__: also, If you need some specific plugins, check out the official sites, not mozilla's. firebug works .)
[23:11] <cellofellow> My firefox 2 plugins in firefox 3 worked great, I had to create a symlink. (This in Gutsy.) Firefox 2 extensions, like Google Toolbar, didn't work though.
[23:11] <ian__> tacone: that's awesome.  that's the kind of answer i was hoping for
[23:11] <cellofellow> Firebug ROCKS!
[23:12] <cellofellow> oh, huh, virt-manager is from Red Hat.
[23:12] <tacone> cellofellow: firebug's the best plugin ever. nifty.
[23:12] <tacone> cellofellow: yes. that's why you can likely already rely on it. is not beta-ish, as I told you .)
[23:12] <Pirate_Hunter> geez ff3b is still beta and ppl are already attempting install goodness sake and they bother complaining why it is not working
[23:12] <ian__> tacone: did find firebug, that was the show stopper for me.  so that one's good to go.  now i just need lasttab.  the other ones i can live without
[23:13] <Xiol> two questions: how can i speed up my synaptics touchpad? it's too slow to move across the screen and the synaptics touchpad config thing doesn't have an option, and the mouse speed option doesn't do anything. and secondly, is there a key-combo you can use to give the firefox search box focus
[23:13] <tacone> ian__: what's lasttab ?
[23:13] <cellofellow> Ubuntu seems to use more and more Red Hat utilities, like switching from gnome-cups to system-config-printer last release.
[23:13] <cellofellow> Xiol: gsynaptics
[23:13] <ian__> tacone: it treats ctrl+tab like alt+tab where there's a notion of recent-ness
[23:13] <tacone> ian__: ok, I see
[23:13] <cellofellow> Xiol: you have to add one measly line to xorg.conf, and then you can use gsynaptics to graphically adjust your touchpad.
[23:14] <Xiol> cellofellow: i've tried that
[23:14] <cellofellow> :(
[23:14] <Xiol> cellofellow: it doesn't have an option to speed up the mouse
[23:14] <Fritzel> does wine by default use any runtime debugger on kubuntu? I have a program that won't run because it detects something looking over it's shoulder
[23:14] <cellofellow> no accell or speed options?
[23:14] <Xiol> i've got both a nipple and a touchpad on here so i have to resort to using the nipple. i've found this problem in 7.10 as well so it's not a beta issue, just this laptop!
[23:15] <Xiol> cellofellow: nope, not in gsynaptics. and the gnome mouse options thing doesn't seem to affect it
[23:16] <cellofellow> Xiol: qsynaptics, for kde, has a few more options.
[23:16] <[Neurotic]> AhI found it - looks like Adobe has release a new version of Flash, and the md5sum doesn't match anymore
[23:17] <cellofellow> gutsy flashplugin-nonfree updated today.
[23:17] <tacone> any gutsy-to-hardy upgrader has gstreamer and flash working, here ?
[23:17] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: virt-manager does not do what i want it is the oposite of vbox, it does not run other OS it is more like a desktop connnection to another pc if im not mistaken
[23:17] <Xiol> cellofellow: somehow i'm not surprised :)
[23:17] <Totem> I am trying to install ati graphics card drivers, but when I do, I get this error: X Server: unable to detect
[23:17] <Totem> can someone help me fix this? I need these drivers installed
[23:17] <[Neurotic]> hasn't come through to my mirror yet it seems
[23:17] <[Neurotic]> :(
[23:17] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: you're mistaken.
[23:18] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: click connect and then localhost
[23:18] <cellofellow> I'm happy with Hardy so far, but going back to my hard-drive-installed Gutsy and it's lovely sound of silence. (Hardy sound works. I guess I can use that USB Headset for then next two weeks.)
[23:18] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: i hope so, than i dont know how to install but will try your way
[23:18] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: you may need to install kvm or something like that, I don't remember
[23:18] <Totem> hello?
[23:19] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: whats hypervisor, which should i choose Qemu or Xen?
[23:19] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=983&num=1
[23:19] <Zambezi> Okay, no sounds for the last three days. Anyone else with this problem? I want it so desperatly I could downgrade till Gutsy.
[23:19] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: you choose what you want (and have installed)
[23:19] <Totem> can someone help me?
[23:19] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: read the link :)
[23:20] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: ok will do so
[23:20] <topyli> Totem: looks like nobody nows right now
[23:20] <topyli> Totem: patience, sooner or later someone will help you
[23:20] <Totem> topyli: oh well. Is there another IRC channel besides #ubuntu that might be able to help?
[23:20] <topyli> Totem: are you using hardy?
[23:21] <Totem> yes
[23:21] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: puppylinuxer ? :-D
[23:21] <topyli> this is the one then Totem
[23:21] <Totem> darn
[23:22] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: yeah ive been testing it as well as dsl why do you ask
[23:22] <Zambezi> Am I the only one with a red disable-icon on the mastervolumeicon beside the clock? I wouldn't mind, but I want to see NHL with sound.
[23:22] <topyli> maybe there's a channel like #compiz or something with people who know graphics
[23:22] <topyli> i don't know. anyone help?
[23:22] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: also check http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=656&num=1
[23:23] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: nothing, I tested it too. very nice :)
[23:23] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: thanx for the linx i do need kmv since its not installed and yeah i like dsl better even knowing puppy has better look but the repo let me down in puppy
[23:24]  * Fritzel is blinded by the misuse of x's 
[23:25] <tacone> puppy has better look ? mmh. they're almost there imho
[23:26] <tacone> wish ubuntu had the inmemory support puppy has.
[23:26] <Zambezi> This is odd. I didn't have alsamixer installed after last days upgrade and now when I installed it, I can't start it.
[23:26] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: hmmm not sure ubuntu to me is an alternate to xp better features but puppy cna be tuned to be just as powerful as ubuntu
[23:27] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: and so can dsl but i really liked dsl the cli was just beautiful and nirc got me hooked
[23:27] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: tuning puppy would very long.
[23:28] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: some have someoen in the channel said she/he had a disk with puppy and kde together 0_o
[23:28] <Pirate_Hunter> from artenius to noble that was a bold step
[23:28] <Pirate_Hunter> geez users that cant make up their minds
[23:28] <artenius> shush!
[23:28] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: yes I know, you can put kde on it. that would be nice, but you wouldn't have debian(1) userland and ubuntu(2) repositories
[23:29] <artenius> I'm schizophrenic, don't make fun
[23:29] <Totem> I am trying to install ati graphics card drivers, but when I do, I get this error: X Server: unable to detect
[23:29] <crimsun> wow, people ranting on the devel-discuss list about PulseAudio
[23:30] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: true, i think you cna do mix repo on dsl lol since its repackaged anyway and soemone has tried damn dont have the link talking about that
[23:30] <crimsun> lots of things missed when you're away for months
[23:30] <Xiol> ranting?
[23:30] <crimsun> yep
[23:30] <Xiol> how so
[23:31] <Pirate_Hunter> going afk for quite a while still ahvent installed my apps yet in hardy :( and got uni 2morow morning which will be today in half an hour :(
[23:32]  * Daisuke_Ido grumbles
[23:32] <crimsun> Xiol: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-March/003641.html and the resulting thread
[23:33] <tacone> never mind Pirate_Hunter, we're going OT
[23:33] <Totem> I am trying to install ati graphics card drivers, but when I do, I get this error: X Server: unable to detect
[23:33] <Daisuke_Ido> why in the **** would my wireless *completely* die EVERY TIME i suspend :\
[23:33] <Daisuke_Ido> i cannot figure this out
[23:33] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: OT.. whats that dont know that terminology?
[23:33] <crimsun> Zambezi: you should always have it via the alsa-utils package.
[23:33] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: Off Topic :)
[23:33] <Daisuke_Ido> a manual on and off for the radio doesn't work, restarting networkmanager doesn't work
[23:33] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: true so true
[23:34] <tacone> :)
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> removing and reloading the module for the card doesn't work :\
[23:34] <Pirate_Hunter> tacone: will be back in a while if your on and its quite here will talk some more
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> this is getting frustrating, i can't afford to pull any more hair out, i'm bald enough as it is!
[23:35] <crimsun> Daisuke_Ido: KDE3 or the remix of KDE4?
[23:35] <tacone> Pirate_Hunter: ok
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> Pirate_Hunter, tacone, if you want to engage in off-topic discussion, you don't have to wait until it's dead in here, you can /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> crimsun, neither
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> gnome
[23:35] <tacone> sorry Daisuke_Ido :)
[23:35] <crimsun> Daisuke_Ido: ok, and you're running udev 117-5?
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> tacone, no need to apologize
[23:35] <tacone> :)
[23:36] <Daisuke_Ido> crimsun, i do not know, i'm waiting for the laptop to restart now, so i'll hop on there and be back before you can say...  something that takes several seconds to say...
[23:36] <crimsun> ...roit.
[23:36] <crimsun> ok, time's up, I'm gone.
[23:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> alrighty then...
[23:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> crimsun: what am i looking for?
[23:38] <crimsun> Daisuke_Laptop: the version of udev.
[23:38] <woodwizzle> I need help :( I'm trying to configure 3 monitors on 2 nvidia cards and so far no luck at all
[23:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> 117-5
[23:38] <crimsun> Daisuke_Laptop: and which wifi chipset?
[23:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> intel 4965
[23:39] <crimsun> Daisuke_Laptop: with l-b-m installed?
[23:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> err, i thought i installed that...
[23:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> installing now
[23:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> in theory, i should be able to suspend/resume and have it work?  or is there something else i should be looking at?
[23:41] <woodwizzle> Anyone in here tried setting up multiple monitors in Hardy?
[23:41] <Luckrider> I had for a while
[23:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> be *right* back
[23:42] <woodwizzle> btw, so far hardy's new RandR gui has been absolutely useless
[23:43] <woodwizzle> it only detects one card, and doesn't even detect that 2 monitors are plugged into it
[23:43] <woodwizzle> and I've already crashed X... a lot...
[23:43] <Luckrider> oh, then I don't know I just used screens and Graphics
[23:44] <woodwizzle> Luckrider: what do you mean?
[23:44] <Luckrider> I did too when I was doing it, you just need to play with it for a while woodwizzle
[23:44] <Luckrider> there is a gui called screens and Graphics
[23:44] <Luckrider> it should be in apps - other
[23:45] <Luckrider> it is something like screensand graphics
[23:45] <b4l74z4r> is it possible to make gthumb zoom images using the mouse wheel?
[23:45] <Luckrider> maybee monitors
[23:45] <woodwizzle> Luckrider: nothing like that on my system :(
[23:45] <Luckrider> hmm
[23:45] <Luckrider> give me a little bit to find it
[23:46] <Luckrider> monitor and display maybee woodwizzle?
[23:46] <Luckrider> oh
[23:46] <Luckrider> wait
[23:46] <Luckrider> that is KDE
[23:46] <Luckrider> go to add/remove apps
[23:47] <Luckrider> and look for
[23:47] <Luckrider> KDE control Modual
[23:47] <Luckrider> nope sorry woodwizzle
[23:47] <Luckrider> not right
[23:48] <Boohbah> System Settings
[23:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> mmmkay
[23:48] <Boohbah> Monitor & Display
[23:48] <woodwizzle> System > Preferences > Screen Resolutions is all I have
[23:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> wish me luck
[23:48] <Boohbah> luck
[23:49] <Boohbah> ganbatte!
[23:49] <woodwizzle> Boohbah: what do you mean System Settings?
[23:49] <Boohbah> are you in kde?
[23:49] <benj> hello
[23:49] <woodwizzle> no
[23:49] <Boohbah> oh..
[23:49] <woodwizzle> Gnome
[23:49] <benj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/215425
[23:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215425 in brasero "brasero crash while inserting cd after tell it to burn image (multi burning) . if you wait and close nautilus-burn before chose last project this is ok" [Undecided,New]
[23:50] <benj> chose/choose
[23:50] <benj> is there anybody have the same thinggs under hardy
[23:51] <benj> and is it enough ?
[23:56]  * martalli enjoys kubuntu 
[23:56]  * Luckrider enjoys having Gnome and KDE on Ubuntu
[23:56] <martalli> I have never had a problem with k3b doing that, going back to mdk 9.2
[23:58] <Laney> Is Hardy going to ship with a prerelease version of Firefox?
[23:58] <lamalex> yes
[23:58] <lamalex> firefox-2 is in universe if you need it
[23:58] <martalli> It's not that I have a problem with gnome...I used gnome with ubuntu from 6.10 through 7.04, but kubuntu 7.10 worked fairly well witht he nonfree parts I just gotta have (flash pugin and all that
[23:58] <martalli> Hardy has ff-3.0 as default
[23:58] <Laney> Nah, 3 is fine. I was just curious. Seems pretty brave for an LTS release
[23:59] <Laney> But b5 has been stable enough for daily use for me
[23:59] <Daisuke-Laptop> so much for luck :\