[00:01] <cjwatson> xivulon: talk to the Xubuntu developers about that
[00:02] <blahblahx> cjwatson: got it
[00:02] <blahblahx> ?
[00:02] <cjwatson> blahblahx: I'm just looking up the standard to check whose problem this is before I flame Linux Mint. :-)
[00:03] <blahblahx> cjwatson: well its a mint communtiy edition made by me
[00:03] <blahblahx> cjwatson: i started with ubuntu minimal and added mint tools and gnome-core
[00:04] <cjwatson> blahblahx: Your problems will go away if you change this line:
[00:04] <cjwatson> DISTRIB_ID=Linux Mint MiniCD Edition
[00:04] <cjwatson> (/etc/lsb-release) to:
[00:04] <cjwatson> DISTRIB_ID="Linux Mint MiniCD Edition"
[00:04] <blahblahx> awesome
[00:04] <blahblahx> how did you know? just wondering
[00:04] <cjwatson> strictly speaking, I think it's a localechooser bug since lsb_release itself permits that syntax
[00:04] <blahblahx> let me try
[00:04] <xivulon> cjwatson, I did the changes as indicated but the I end up with a plain black background
[00:04] <cjwatson> I read the nearest previous error message in the log and applied deduction
[00:04] <xivulon> do you want me to run other tests
[00:05] <cjwatson> xivulon: ok, no thanks, just mention that in the bug for me
[00:05] <cjwatson> sounds like we have to run xfdesktop, but I'd really like a Xubuntu developer to do the heavy lifting there
[00:05] <cjwatson> xivulon: thanks for the testing
[00:08] <cjwatson> blahblahx: had you reported a bug?
[00:08] <cjwatson> if not, I'll do so
[00:09] <blahblahx> could you?
[00:09] <blahblahx> that would be awesome
[00:10] <xivulon> done
[00:11] <blahblahx> cjwatson: you seem to know a lot about ubuntu. do you know why the livecd wouldn't eject after shutdown?
[00:12] <cjwatson> blahblahx: I've reported bug 214861; feel free to subscribe to it
[00:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214861 in localechooser "expects to be able to source /etc/lsb-release" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214861
[00:13] <cjwatson> blahblahx: what version of casper does your image use?
[00:13] <blahblahx> cjwatson: uhh let me check
[00:17] <blahblahx> cjwatson: 1.110
[00:18] <TheMuso> blahblahx: Coming in late to this discussion, but if this is hardy, there is 1.128 available.
[00:18] <cjwatson> blahblahx: hmm, I'm afraid I don't know, then; we have had eject problems in the past but I thought they were fixed by Ubuntu 7.10, i.e. casper 1.110
[00:18] <TheMuso> ah right
[00:18] <cjwatson> he seems to be working on an indirect 7.10 derivative
[00:18] <blahblahx> cjwatson: well the other editions of linux mint and ubuntu don't have this problem with the same casper i think
[00:19] <TheMuso> 5~Right.
[00:19] <cjwatson> I'd start by comparing your disk to some other similar one that does work, then. :-)
[00:20] <cjwatson> and binary-chop your way through the changes, if possible
[00:20] <blahblahx> thanks
[00:30] <CIA-1> localechooser: cjwatson * r130 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog localechooser): * Don't assume that /etc/lsb-release is valid shell (LP: #214861).
[00:36] <CIA-1> localechooser: cjwatson * r131 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.42ubuntu5
[00:38] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r494 casper/ (COPYING debian/changelog): * Add COPYING file with GPL text (LP: #211923).
[01:30] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r495 casper/ (bin/casper-uuid debian/casper.install debian/changelog):
[01:30] <CIA-1> casper: * Add casper-uuid script to simplify UUID regeneration process,
[01:30] <CIA-1> casper:  contributed by Mario Limonciello of Dell (LP: #209847).
[01:33] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r496 casper/bin/casper-uuid: fix case where the current directory has >1 casper-uuid-* files
[01:35] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r497 casper/debian/copyright: update copyright
[01:36] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r498 casper/ (bin/casper-new-uuid debian/casper.install debian/changelog): hmm, let's make that be casper-new-uuid
[01:44] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r499 casper/ (bin/casper-snapshot debian/changelog debian/control):
[01:44] <CIA-1> casper: * Update casper-snapshot for genext2fs --reserved-blocks =>
[01:44] <CIA-1> casper:  --reserved-percentage option change (LP: #202048). Add a Breaks as the
[01:44] <CIA-1> casper:  most lightweight available method of documenting that we need genext2fs
[01:44] <CIA-1> casper:  >= 1.4.1 for this.
[01:46] <CIA-1> casper: cjwatson * r500 casper/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.129
[06:26] <TheMuso> evand: Hrm not by default for that grub a11y bug, it would annoy people.
[06:26] <TheMuso> Anyway, tis for intrepid.
[08:46] <evand> TheMuso: indeed, I was just triaging it, not agreeing with it :)
[09:11] <TheMuso> evand: Yeah I know.
[09:15] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2623 ubiquity/debian/po/ (79 files): debconf-updatepo
[09:21] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2624 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[09:21] <CIA-1> ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: debian-installer-utils
[09:21] <CIA-1> ubiquity:  1.50ubuntu3, localechooser 1.42ubuntu5, partman-basicfilesystems
[09:21] <CIA-1> ubiquity:  56ubuntu4.
[09:32] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2625 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.8.3
[09:33] <evand> I released 1.8.3 before I committed my changes as they require a freeze exception, and I'd rather not tie up other changes while waiting for the result of that.
[09:34] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2626 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): Bump to 1.8.4
[09:37] <saispo> hi all
[09:38] <saispo> cjwatson: i try the latest germinate and i got some errors with ubuntu-cd and cdimage
[09:40] <saispo> i revert to 0.43 and no problem
[10:27] <xivulon> evand, on linux.com there was a good tip: it would be nice if M-A could symlink My Documents to the user home folder
[10:28] <xivulon> I know... a bit too late...
[10:29] <xivulon> s/to the user home folder/into the user home folder/
[10:41] <xivulon> might be worth FFE though, it's a simple change that should not have many side effects, and can improve the experience of many windows users.
[11:01] <xivulon> ah but then you might not have write permissions...
[11:23] <xivulon> can we speed up ISO with ubiquity 1.8.3? getting hammered here...
[15:41] <xivulon> cywatson, evand please see cking comments on #204133
[15:41] <xivulon> changes to initramfs mount and lupin-support should be ok
[15:41] <xivulon> but I am more scared by last comment
[15:42] <xivulon> cjwatson^
[15:43] <evand> indeed, making the change now (0, 40, 4, 4, respectively).
[15:43] <evand> xivulon: cjwatson is off for the day.
[15:43] <xivulon> bad time...
[15:44] <xivulon> last comment is an issue
[15:44] <xivulon> Make sure the ext loopback file systems are umounted before the NTFS filesystems.
[15:44] <xivulon> Colin
[15:44] <xivulon> the loopback file system is / so we can at most make it read-only not unmount...
[15:44] <evand> ah, needed to refresh
[15:45] <xivulon> we also need mount -o loop,sync,dirsync,commit=1 in initramfs local script
[15:48] <evand> ok
[15:48] <evand> that last comment is pretty scary, though I'm not sure how that could be happening.
[15:52] <xivulon> well we do not really umount /
[15:52] <xivulon> we only remount it r/o
[15:52] <xivulon> and we do not remount r/o the host fs at all (see szaka comments)
[15:53] <evand> ah, argh.
[16:01] <xivulon> evand see my last comment
[16:06] <evand> ok
[16:10] <xivulon> would the shutdown sequence of ubiquity be any different of a normal shutdown? I'd think that the same sysvinit scripts are used
[16:14] <xivulon> evand am discussing on #ubuntu-kernel
[16:16] <evand> they're the same as far as wubi is concerned, aiui.
[16:19] <xivulon> lamont asked me to test 206113, I can do that tonight, might be good if you could do that too
[17:26] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2636 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py: Adjust fix for file close slightly.
[20:10] <mario_limonciell> evand, would you be able to do another DVD image w/ this latest ubiquity (1.8.3) since noninteractive was broke in the last one?
[20:12] <evand> mario_limonciell: surely
[20:12] <mario_limonciell> thanks
[20:13] <xivulon> and a CD once you are at it :P
[20:16] <evand> heh
[20:27] <mario_limonciell> the CD wasn't included in the daily?
[20:31] <evand> there are additional changes needed for wubi to fix some serious bugs
[20:33] <mario_limonciell> ah
[20:47] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2639 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[20:47] <CIA-1> ubiquity: * kde_ui:
[20:47] <CIA-1> ubiquity: * Removed partman/check.d/12system_partitions_formatted. A modified version
[20:47] <CIA-1> ubiquity:  now lives in partman-target.
[20:50] <CIA-1> partman-target: evand * r715 ubuntu/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[20:50] <CIA-1> partman-target: * Added 12partitions_formatted, which will warn the user if
[20:50] <CIA-1> partman-target:  clear_partitions is going to delete any files (LP: #196972).
[21:00] <evand> mario_limonciell: should be up
[21:07] <mario_limonciell> whew that was a bit quick
[21:08] <mario_limonciell> sigh.
[21:08] <mario_limonciell> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/dvd/20080410/hardy-dvd-i386.manifest: "ubiquity 1.8.2"
[21:08] <evand> argh!
[21:08]  * evand kicks cdimage, breaks foot.
[21:09] <mario_limonciell> most likely:   "language-support-writing-en: Depends: openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us but it is not installable"
[21:09] <mario_limonciell> in the livefs buildlog
[21:09] <mario_limonciell> how do these languages keep getting so broke from one day to the next..
[21:09] <evand> indeed
[21:10] <evand> welcome to the wonderful world of livefs building.  And this is when we're in freeze!
[21:12] <mario_limonciell> should language package management folks be poked you suppose?
[21:13] <evand> indeed, I believe the language support packages are pitti, though they might be arne now.
[21:17] <mario_limonciell> hmm pitti is here.  maybe i should just go bug him in person then :)
[21:19] <evand> lol
[21:19] <evand> not a bad idea by any means
[21:32] <xivulon> evand, bug 204133 point 4 of cking comment
[21:32] <xivulon> mount -o loop,sync,dirsync,commit=1
[21:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204133 in wubi "wubi install unusable - Buffer I/O error on device loop0" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204133
[21:33] <xivulon> now do we want to have sync & co on the hosting file system or in the hosted one? or is it the same the same thing?
[21:33] <xivulon> in the sense that sync operations in a nested fs also apply to the host
[21:33] <xivulon> I'd think that the host is far more important
[21:34] <evand> I imagine the former, but probably best to clarify with cking.
[21:34] <xivulon> yeah but he is not around...
[21:34] <xivulon> kill ask on #kernel devel
[21:35] <evand> yeah, I'm sure rtg and Ben are still around
[21:35] <evand> (US Central)
[21:36] <mario_limonciell> rtg is probably offline though right now
[21:37] <evand> Meeting?
[21:37] <mario_limonciell> he has been about
[21:37] <mario_limonciell> but machine went dead
[21:39] <evand> ouch
[21:40] <mario_limonciell> maybe he found power now.  dunno :)
[21:50] <xivulon> evand, see http://paste.ubuntu.com/6716/
[21:50] <xivulon> using my interpretation ;)
[21:50] <xivulon> as in last comment
[21:56] <evand> looks ok, but I'd like to get confirmation that this is what cking is suggesting.  We're in FinalFreeze now, so it's not super urgent that it happens within the next few hours as we'll need to demonstrate all the changes to slangasek and the release team anyway.
[22:00] <xivulon> of course
[22:00] <xivulon> do you happen to know a way to read /proc/mounts in reverse order in bash
[22:02] <evand> sort -r?
[22:02] <evand> err no
[22:02] <xivulon> hm not necessarily sorted, just inverted
[22:02] <evand> indeed
[22:02] <evand> hrm
[22:04] <mario_limonciell> evand, pitti said that arne is handling languages at this point, but he wasn't aware that english was broke until i showed him
[22:04] <mario_limonciell> arne goes by ArneGoetje in -devel?
[22:05] <evand> mario_limonciell: ja
[22:06] <mario_limonciell> hmm j is halfway between y and n, so i'm inclined to think you ment 'ya' :)
[22:07] <evand> xivulon: tac
[22:07] <xivulon> arg is in /usr/bin
[22:08] <evand> mario_limonciell: http://odge.info/german-english/ja.html :)
[22:08] <mario_limonciell> ah :)
[22:08] <xivulon> guess will have to use a loop
[22:08] <evand> it and bitte are about the extent of my knowledge.
[22:09] <evand> err, danke, but obviously.
[22:12] <evand> xivulon: evan@candy:~$ cat /proc/mounts | sed '1!G;h;$!d'
[22:35] <xivulon> great thanks
[22:39] <joshk> http://sial.org/howto/shell/useless-cat/
[22:42] <evand> indeed, tis a bad habit of mine
[22:51] <xivulon> evand preliminary version of umountroot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6724/
[22:55] <TheMuso> Greetings. I've been meaning to do some wubi testing lately, but have had other thigns get in the way. Anything I can help with?
[22:59] <xivulon> oh yes :)
[22:59] <xivulon> we have to test a new initramfs and a new umountroot
[23:01] <xivulon> for initramfs see http://paste.ubuntu.com/6716/
[23:01] <xivulon> for umountroot (probably broken haven tested at all)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6724/
[23:02] <xivulon> also need to test lamont patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/206113
[23:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206113 in util-linux "Wubi install cannot create swap space (8.04 Beta) [Regression from alpha 6]" [Undecided,New]
[23:03] <xivulon> and my virtualbox is broken :(
[23:10] <TheMuso> Why are the initramfs changes needed?
[23:11] <TheMuso> xivulon: Ok I'll get the latest daily synced, and have a look.
[23:12] <xivulon> TheMuso: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/204133
[23:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204133 in wubi "wubi install unusable - Buffer I/O error on device loop0" [High,In progress]
[23:12] <xivulon> see last comments from Colin King
[23:12] <TheMuso> ok