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| dholbach | good morning | 06:49 |
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| lool | "The COM 840 is expected to ship in 45 days. By then, Ampro has promised to begin distributing a free Ubuntu-derived Linux 2.6 distribution with all its board-level system products." | 10:26 |
| lool | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9574268984.html | 10:26 |
| lool | amitk: So we're going to have a -16? Is that uploaded/in progress already? | 10:42 |
| amitk | lool: kernel done, modules and meta pending | 10:42 |
| amitk | lool: actually i386 failed, so kernel needs another fix | 10:43 |
| lool | amitk: Is it likely that this happens again before the release? | 10:44 |
| amitk | lool: what happens before the release? | 10:45 |
| lool | Another bump | 10:46 |
| amitk | lool: definitely, I'll fix it now | 10:46 |
| lool | amitk: My question was, will there be a -17 before the release :) | 11:06 |
| amitk | lool: possibly :) | 11:07 |
| lool | :-/ It's hard to tell Intel to rebuild the drivers over and over, but I guess it's a consequence of the driver being closed so really a consequence of the requirements for a proprietary driver | 11:09 |
| dns53 | intel drivers are open | 11:09 |
| lool | Hmm not these :) | 11:10 |
| amitk | lool: which is why I told Intel to wait until the RC kernel is published before I gave them the green signal. | 11:11 |
| lool | Ok | 11:12 |
| lool | bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-mobile/hildon-desktop/ubuntu => 5 mn 28 secs | 11:13 |
| amitk | it's a feature :) | 11:15 |
| slytherin | hi, do we do any empathy related discussions here? | 13:47 |
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| lool | slytherin: Not really | 14:30 |
| lool | slytherin: You're welcome to, but it's more around UME here | 14:30 |
| slytherin | lool: No problem. I got the answer to my question already. | 14:41 |
| lool | Ok | 14:41 |
| lool | THIRTY FOUR minutes and 29 seconds to bzr upgrade a remote lp branch over sftp | 15:26 |
| agoliveira | lool: ..and I thought that the problem was on my link. | 15:27 |
| lool | bfiller: new marquee-plugins wasn't working properly went build against hardy's hildon-desktop (ubuntu1 versus ubuntu10); could it be that we inadvertedly broke ABI in the latest hildon-desktop changes? I'd like to know whether I need a versionned build-dep or something | 15:43 |
| bfiller | lool: not sure how ABI could get broken. I didn't touch any build files or anything. | 16:02 |
| bfiller | lool: could it be marquee-plugins is not right? | 16:03 |
| lool | bfiller: It could be as well | 16:09 |
| lool | bfiller: I suspect it relies on something which is only true in newer hildon-desktop, but the fact that it the version you /build/ against which influences the result scares me | 16:10 |
| lool | (No warning during build) | 16:10 |
| amitk | lool: irc meeting in 45min? | 16:12 |
| lool | amitk: Yes | 16:12 |
| lool | 14 minutes that a vcs import "bzr pull" has been running, this is depressing | 16:20 |
| smagoun | lool: have you tried CVS? It's way faster than bzr | 16:27 |
| * smagoun runs | 16:28 | |
| lool | smagoun: My piss off level is raising as my bzr pull continues running for minutes and minutes | 16:28 |
| smagoun | lool: I don't blame you. bzr is not fast. | 16:29 |
| lool | I don't recall being so unhappy with it last time I talked to launchpad; I suspect some upgrade caused this | 16:29 |
| dholbach | lool: best to talk to the guys in #launchpad | 16:30 |
| lool | dholbach: I was actually pondering sending an email with the three issues I had today, but I then wondered how useful it would have been | 16:30 |
| lool | Let's try out | 16:30 |
| smagoun | lool: the LP folks have been pretty responsive when I've had problems | 16:31 |
| lool | Ok, thanks | 16:33 |
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| lool | Hi all, time for our weekly meeting | 17:01 |
| lool | #startmeeting | 17:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 18:01. The chair is lool. | 17:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:01 |
| lool | I hope eveyrbody is doing fine and is ready to start | 17:01 |
| lool | Let's review last week's action items | 17:01 |
| GrueMaster | I'm awake, does that count? | 17:01 |
| lool | It does :) | 17:01 |
| lool | [topic] # | 17:02 |
| lool | [topic] (lool) add doc on moving to tarball releases for moblin modules to wiki | 17:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: # | 17:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: (lool) add doc on moving to tarball releases for moblin modules to wiki | 17:02 |
| lool | This is done, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MoblinTarballReleases | 17:02 |
| lool | I dropped the notes I sent to Rusty in wikified form to the wiki | 17:02 |
| lool | It's raw, but then it's a one shot process, so I don't intend to polish the instructions too much; I'm happy to help with them though | 17:02 |
| rustyl_ | cool | 17:03 |
| lool | Allow me also to announce that we're having a phone call on the topic with rustyl_ next week | 17:03 |
| lool | Interested parties should ask for the phone details | 17:03 |
| lool | It's at 10am PDT wednesday | 17:03 |
| lool | [topic] # | 17:03 |
| lool | [topic] rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week and the week before that...][cted] | 17:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: # | 17:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week and the week before that...][cted] | 17:03 |
| lool | rustyl_: So, you were a little sick lately, did you find some time to catch up and assign this work? | 17:04 |
| rustyl_ | so... i need to get a handle on what packages are left for initial conversion | 17:04 |
| lool | I hoped we could output some for hardy, but it's getting tight | 17:04 |
| lool | rustyl_: i've sent a list in response to your list of tarballs | 17:04 |
| lool | rustyl_: The day you sent it, like many weeks ago | 17:04 |
| lool | And I update this info in the same thread as I was making progress with the updates | 17:04 |
| lool | I just completed marquee-plugins this afternoon | 17:05 |
| lool | the remaining ones are marked TBD or have a comment no what's blocking them | 17:05 |
| lool | rustyl_: If it helps, move them to the wiki perhaps? | 17:05 |
| rustyl_ | a wiki for this would be nice | 17:05 |
| lool | rustyl_: Also, please note some tarballs like moblin-image-creator or midbrowser are missing | 17:05 |
| lool | rustyl_: You can use the same page to track status if you like | 17:06 |
| lool | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MoblinTarballReleases | 17:06 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MoblinTarballReleases | 17:06 |
| lool | Say, start a == Status of tarball releases for Moblin modules == | 17:06 |
| lool | rustyl_: I also think we need to set strict rules or use scripts to generate the releases | 17:06 |
| rustyl_ | mawhalen, i will need to find a person or two with some free cycles to help crunch through this | 17:07 |
| lool | I've seen some out of date or broken tarballs | 17:07 |
| mawhalen | rustyl_let's talk after this meeting | 17:07 |
| lool | rustyl_: More on these issues in our call if you like | 17:07 |
| lool | May I carry on the action on you rustyl_? | 17:07 |
| rustyl_ | ideally, it would all be done before the call, but at this point i'm not promissing anything :-> | 17:07 |
| rustyl_ | yea... you can give me the action | 17:08 |
| lool | NB: I'm on leave tonight til Tuesday included (your Tuesday morning i should be back) | 17:08 |
| lool | [action] rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week and the week before that...][cted][cted] | 17:08 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week and the week before that...][cted][cted] | 17:08 |
| lool | [topic] bspencer to list i18n status for Moblin project[cted] | 17:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bspencer to list i18n status for Moblin project[cted] | 17:08 |
| lool | Is Bob close to someone's office at Intel? :) | 17:09 |
| lool | Or did anyone hear about progress on this? | 17:09 |
| lool | I saw he called for the info, but only got as far as we already knew | 17:09 |
| lool | (That moblin-applets was i18ned and midbrowser was as well as a result of firefox' h11n | 17:09 |
| lool | ) | 17:10 |
| lool | Ok; I'm moving to the next topic and we'll get back to it at the end of the meeting | 17:10 |
| rustyl_ | i'm not in the office this morning | 17:10 |
| mawhalen | I'll go check | 17:10 |
| lool | mawhalen: thanks | 17:10 |
| lool | [topic] davidm to move meeting to 1 hour earlier and notify all [complete] | 17:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: davidm to move meeting to 1 hour earlier and notify all [complete] | 17:10 |
| lool | That's done; thanks davidm! | 17:10 |
| lool | Moving on | 17:10 |
| davidm | welcome ;-) | 17:10 |
| lool | [action] mawhalen to reschedule on Intel side of earlier time change. [complete] | 17:10 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mawhalen to reschedule on Intel side of earlier time change. [complete] | 17:10 |
| lool | mawhalen: This seems complete as well; thanks to you too! | 17:10 |
| lool | We're done with action items from last week; let us move to this week's current items | 17:11 |
| lool | [topic] kyleN discussion on switching themes | 17:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: kyleN discussion on switching themes | 17:12 |
| lool | kyleN: Please put shorter topics on the wiki rather than a full support request next time ;-P | 17:12 |
| lool | * | 17:12 |
| lool | kyleN: moblin-applets delivers status bar icons into /usr/share/icons/hildon, but since we can't switch icon theme via gconf and etc, I don't know how to theme this part of the marquee. Maybe put them in /usr/share/icons/hicolor which is the default icon theme, to start, then at least we could theme it by putting different ones in hildon? | 17:12 |
| kyleN | so that states it. | 17:12 |
| kyleN | here's more background | 17:13 |
| kyleN | i can theoretically theme the rest of the marquee because it's images are delivered with the mobilbasic theme pkg | 17:13 |
| kyleN | we could NOT install that and install our own | 17:13 |
| kyleN | but we have to install moblin-applets | 17:13 |
| kyleN | so it's images go into the dir I mentioned and we can't override that | 17:14 |
| lool | kyleN: How is that different from say, gnome icon themes? | 17:14 |
| kyleN | so I can theme most of the marquee, but not battery icons, wifi, etc | 17:14 |
| kyleN | lool, sorry, I don't understand | 17:14 |
| lool | kyleN: Is the problem you're asking about fundamentally different from the GNOME mechanism to switch between icon themes? | 17:15 |
| kyleN | I think gnome icon themeing is broken | 17:15 |
| kyleN | i've not been able to switch the icon theme | 17:15 |
| kyleN | as a work around, we might use the hierarchy of icon themes if that works | 17:15 |
| kyleN | moblin applets installs into default icon theme (hicolor) | 17:16 |
| kyleN | then, if we need to override, we install into hildon icon theme | 17:16 |
| lool | kyleN: Under your Ubuntu, you can switch icon themes, can't you? | 17:16 |
| kyleN | yes, but not in mobile | 17:16 |
| lool | kyleN: Can't we simply copy that implementation? | 17:17 |
| kyleN | that would be the best approach | 17:17 |
| lool | Ok; did you file a bug about this issue? | 17:17 |
| kyleN | i just discovered this issue, so no | 17:17 |
| lool | Hmm does it need IRC meeting attention? | 17:18 |
| kyleN | I'd be happy to if you think that is the proper resolution | 17:18 |
| lool | I think you should file a bug in all cases; documenting stuff in the IRC meeting is not going to be easy to dig out | 17:18 |
| kyleN | all cases seems over broad, but I am happy to oblige | 17:18 |
| lool | Ok, thanks | 17:19 |
| kyleN | anyway, I'll file a bug. you can move on | 17:19 |
| lool | I guess discussion should continue in the bug report itself | 17:19 |
| kyleN | ok | 17:19 |
| lool | Moving on or rather back to an action fro last week | 17:19 |
| lool | Do we have bspencer around? | 17:19 |
| lool | mawhalen: Did you find where he hides? ;) | 17:20 |
| mawhalen | no, I didn't | 17:20 |
| lool | Ok; let's carry on his action then | 17:20 |
| GrueMaster | his calander shows a conflicting meeting, but I'm no where near him. | 17:20 |
| lool | [action] bspencer to list i18n status for Moblin project[cted][cted] | 17:20 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: bspencer to list i18n status for Moblin project[cted][cted] | 17:20 |
| lool | So, we're at the end of our list of items to discuss; would anyone like to open a new topic? | 17:21 |
| GrueMaster | I'm tracking an issue with alsa and helix at the moment. | 17:21 |
| GrueMaster | It appears alsa-base is no longer installed by default? | 17:21 |
| lool | [topic] GrueMaster's issue with alsa and helix | 17:21 |
| MootBot | New Topic: GrueMaster's issue with alsa and helix | 17:21 |
| lool | GrueMaster: Was it ever? Or perhaps it was pulled accidently? | 17:22 |
| GrueMaster | Helix relies on snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss modules. | 17:22 |
| lool | GrueMaster: Perhaps helix should pull it if it's needed? | 17:22 |
| lool | GrueMaster: Oh so helix has no alsa modules at all? | 17:22 |
| lool | That's surprizing and not terribly good | 17:22 |
| GrueMaster | I'm looking at it now, and beta2 built 20080228 worked fine | 17:23 |
| rustyl_ | helix can be built to use alsa or not | 17:23 |
| GrueMaster | I think helix is one of those apps that never ported to alsa. | 17:23 |
| lool | So it should be built with alsa support and is not? | 17:23 |
| rustyl_ | so... when you say helix, which app are you talking about? | 17:23 |
| GrueMaster | splay or helix-dbus-server | 17:23 |
| tonyespy | rustyl is correct, helix can be built with or without alsa support | 17:23 |
| rustyl_ | i can say that the RealPlayer is being built with alsa turned on | 17:24 |
| GrueMaster | Well, in my opinion, it should be built with alsa support. alsa provides audio duplexing, which oss did not. | 17:24 |
| rustyl_ | i don't recall if the default configuration for helix-dbus-server (which is part of the REalPlayer package) has this option enabled | 17:25 |
| rustyl_ | so... asuming that app is built with the alsa option turned on... it sounds like we are missing a packging dep also? | 17:25 |
| lool | Would one of you please file a bug against ubuntu-mobile if it's happening with the UME builds and mention that the proprietary package should be changed to build with alsa support and rebuilt? | 17:26 |
| GrueMaster | Not sure yet. I was looking into it this morning. | 17:26 |
| lool | rustyl_: I think the package dep is only missing for oss emulation | 17:26 |
| rustyl_ | ok | 17:26 |
| lool | But I prefer we don't pull this and use alsa directly instead | 17:26 |
| lool | GrueMaster: You file the bug, subscribe ubuntu-mobile and rustyl_ and if someone can confirm the fix, stevenk for the change in our archive? | 17:27 |
| tonyespy | lool: that might require rebuilding helix, which in turns requires a phd in ribosome | 17:27 |
| rustyl_ | lool, i haven't had visiblity into your customer build, so i'm not sure what it has in it | 17:27 |
| GrueMaster | We should provide the oss emulation as well. There are bound to be other apps that need it, and the modules are already part of the kernel. | 17:27 |
| lool | tonyespy: Taking the existing source and rebuilding it /should/ work I hopeN | 17:27 |
| lool | s/N$/? | 17:27 |
| lool | rustyl_: You don't have access to the Intel proprietary build Canonical outputs? | 17:28 |
| lool | Is this the one where the bug happens? | 17:28 |
| GrueMaster | It's in the daily as well. | 17:28 |
| lool | GrueMaster: oss emulation should be pulled by these apps then | 17:28 |
| lool | GrueMaster: You mean the daily public build of ume? | 17:28 |
| GrueMaster | The beta builds just have helix installed, and that is what I was testing with recently. | 17:28 |
| GrueMaster | yes | 17:28 |
| mawhalen | rustyl_we know have access to the prop outputs | 17:28 |
| lool | Yeah, so ubuntu-mobile is where to report it | 17:28 |
| rustyl_ | BTW... IIRC, we managed to just recently get the alsa option turned on as a default for any Linux based build, so any helix based product should now use alsa (unless it explicitly turns off the option) | 17:28 |
| lool | So perhaps we simply a need a new helix, but that requires hard work, I agree with tonyespy | 17:30 |
| GrueMaster | rustyl_: I'm testing helix 0.6.0 with the latest splay tarball and latest (0402) CIP codecs. | 17:30 |
| rustyl_ | i have access to lots of stuff.... just not the time to use it :-> | 17:30 |
| lool | Anyway, could one of you file a bug to track the issue and subscribe interested parties? | 17:30 |
| * rustyl_ votes for GrueMaster to file a bug reporting everything he has learned | 17:31 | |
| lool | [action] GrueMaster fiel a bug on helix build missing alsa support | 17:31 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: GrueMaster fiel a bug on helix build missing alsa support | 17:31 |
| GrueMaster | I'll look into it more. From what I can tell, it's just a missing modprobe.d config file for alsa. | 17:31 |
| lool | Okely; anything more on this topic or a new topic? | 17:31 |
| * GrueMaster whimpers as his AR shield is found to be useless. | 17:32 | |
| lool | I'm taking the opportunity to announce that if davidm and I are missing at the beginning of a meeting, you're welcome (yes you) to start the meeting and follow the wiki page | 17:32 |
| lool | Ok; seems nobody has additional topics | 17:32 |
| lool | Thanks a lot for your time and see you same time same place next week | 17:33 |
| lool | #endmeeting | 17:33 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 18:33. | 17:33 |
| davidm | lool, thanks | 17:33 |
| agoliveira | Hey, that one was short. The best kind :) | 17:33 |
| lool | kyleN: Once you have a bug report for that icon theme issue, sub ubuntu-mobile and if you like I can read it and see where we could do with more details; ok with you? | 17:33 |
| davidm | lool, I'll take care of the usual page editing and creation | 17:33 |
| kyleN | lool, thanks I will. | 17:33 |
| lool | davidm: I [actioned] a [topic]; dunno whether you can fix that | 17:33 |
| kyleN | lool, do you have a moment to talk with me about that icon theme issue? | 17:34 |
| lool | kyleN: In general, I think it's best if you can research issue so that we can immediately jump to the point where progress is stuck; does that make sense? | 17:34 |
| davidm | Yes I can take care of that since I now move the web pages to people.ubuntu.com/~davidm/ | 17:34 |
| lool | kyleN: I might have a moment; if you like you can ring my phone or I can call you | 17:34 |
| lool | Or we can chat here | 17:35 |
| kyleN | lool, the phone maybe easier can you call? | 17:35 |
| lool | davidm: Thanks | 17:35 |
| davidm | lool, a quick edit will take care of it and I have to sed the pages anyway :-) | 17:35 |
| lool | kyleN: Tell me where in pv | 17:35 |
| lool | bspencer: Too late :-/ | 17:35 |
| lool | bspencer: http://blackbird.kaarsemaker.net/mootbot/meeting | 17:36 |
| bspencer | :( | 17:36 |
| bspencer | dang | 17:36 |
| lool | http://blackbird.kaarsemaker.net/mootbot/meeting/ubuntu-mobile.20080410_1801.html | 17:36 |
| bspencer | lool: sorry! | 17:37 |
| mawhalen | agoliveira: you there? | 17:37 |
| GrueMaster | davidm: I need access to launchpad to file a bug in ubuntu-mobile. | 17:51 |
| GrueMaster | lool: can you add me to the ubuntu-mobile launchpad team so I can file this bug? | 17:59 |
| \sh | lool, congrats for getting wine on lpia for free :) | 18:01 |
| \sh | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/wine/0.9.59-0ubuntu4 <- the very first bugfixed version of wine on little devices :) | 18:02 |
| lool | GrueMaster: You don't need to be in the team to file bug against the ubuntu-mobile project | 18:10 |
| lool | GrueMaster: That said, you're expected to be in the team, what's your lp id? | 18:11 |
| lool | \sh: Cool | 18:11 |
| GrueMaster | I can't find a bug submit link. I can see otehr bugs, but no submit link. | 18:11 |
| lool | GrueMaster: You're visiting the team page perhaps? | 18:11 |
| lool | GrueMaster: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile | 18:11 |
| lool | That's the project page | 18:11 |
| lool | ~ubuntu-mobile is the team | 18:12 |
| GrueMaster | weird. I had clicked on the bugs tab, but it never brought up a button for submitting new bugs. | 18:12 |
| \sh | lool, when you are in Praque, ask infinity what he likes to drink, he mad it happen :) | 18:13 |
| lool | Heh | 18:14 |
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| patm | andy_lin, did you see my response? | 18:40 |
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| andy_lin | patm: no , had you regist your account ? | 18:52 |
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| patm | andy_lin, please send me the driver ok? | 18:52 |
| andy_lin | ok. :) | 18:54 |
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