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| [reed] | so, I guess Hardy is shipping b5? | 06:50 |
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| asac | [reed]: its not in my hand ;) | 06:51 |
| asac | [reed]: or is there a chance that rc1 is out by 21st apr? | 06:52 |
| [reed] | 11 days... dunno | 06:53 |
| [reed] | people are saying "late April" | 06:53 |
| [reed] | dunno what that means | 06:53 |
| asac | we release on 24th | 06:53 |
| asac | 22nd would be good i guess | 06:53 |
| asac | [reed]: for me its much more important that we release something that is guaranteed to be string frozen | 06:54 |
| asac | e.g. no _new_ keys | 06:54 |
| [reed] | well, we're string frozen right now | 06:54 |
| asac | i doubt that b5 is really hard string frozen | 06:55 |
| [reed] | b5 isn't | 06:55 |
| [reed] | but we are string frozen now | 06:55 |
| asac | so what strings were added? | 06:55 |
| asac | after b5? | 06:55 |
| [reed] | http://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Firefox_3.0rc1 | 06:55 |
| [reed] | umm, you'd just have to look at one of the l10n repos | 06:55 |
| asac | this all wouldn't be much a problem if strin bundles could fall back to en-US if they are only partially translated | 06:56 |
| asac | but they don't do that and so the UI ends up being busted | 06:56 |
| [reed] | http://bonsai-l10n.mozilla.org/cvsquery.cgi?treeid=default&module=all&branch=HEAD&branchtype=match&dir=l10n%2Fen-GB&file=&filetype=match&who=&whotype=match&sortby=Date&hours=2&date=explicit&mindate=2008-03-21+00%3A00%3A00&maxdate=2008-04-10+00%3A00%3A00&cvsroot=%2Fl10n | 06:56 |
| [reed] | those? | 06:56 |
| asac | looking | 06:57 |
| asac | ok lets hope for RC1 then | 06:57 |
| asac | hmm ... but thats en-GB | 06:58 |
| asac | sure that the strings really landed after b5 for en-US :? | 06:58 |
| asac | hmm | 06:58 |
| asac | ill talk to blizzard about RC1 | 06:59 |
| asac | [reed]: how many things usually land after tree closes for baking? | 06:59 |
| [reed] | we have a ton to go | 07:00 |
| [reed] | we're not really "baking" per se | 07:00 |
| [reed] | we basically just went into drivers-have-to-approve-everything mode | 07:00 |
| [reed] | even blockers have to be approved now | 07:00 |
| asac | welll ... code hand-off to build means release | 07:00 |
| asac | :) | 07:00 |
| asac | for me | 07:00 |
| asac | ;) | 07:00 |
| [reed] | yeah, well | 07:00 |
| asac | just two steps away | 07:01 |
| asac | guess those are big steps | 07:01 |
| [reed] | I see 131 blockers left | 07:02 |
| asac | P2? | 07:02 |
| [reed] | all blockers | 07:03 |
| [reed] | we're not doing it by priorities anymore | 07:03 |
| asac | ok . sounds like not all will get fixed then ;) | 07:04 |
| [reed] | well, they all have to be fixed | 07:06 |
| [reed] | by RC1 | 07:06 |
| asac | OTOH, 131 is still managable | 07:07 |
| asac | :) | 07:07 |
| asac | its not like you only have 4 developers ;) | 07:07 |
| asac | (i hope | 07:07 |
| asac | ) | 07:07 |
| [reed] | hah | 07:07 |
| [reed] | yeah, and most blockers already have patches | 07:07 |
| asac | wow ... thats a trick ;) | 07:07 |
| asac | [reed]: do you know of any hard regressions in current trunk over b5? | 07:09 |
| [reed] | not anything that really sticks out | 07:10 |
| [reed] | nope | 07:10 |
| asac | [reed]: nevermind. i am sure that string freeze doesn't guarantee me that no new strings are added :( | 07:10 |
| [reed] | why not? | 07:10 |
| asac | which is what causes me restless nights right now | 07:10 |
| asac | id consider to ship rc1pre if that means frozen strings for sure | 07:10 |
| [reed] | like, we're _really_ string frozen... it'll have to be an act of God before we had another string | 07:11 |
| asac | well ... i read that you can still request approval from mconnor to breach new strings | 07:11 |
| [reed] | add* | 07:11 |
| [reed] | where? | 07:11 |
| [reed] | where do you see that? | 07:11 |
| asac | on some mailing list | 07:11 |
| asac | let me search | 07:11 |
| asac | That's the last string freeze for Firefox 3, if you have patches with | 07:13 |
| asac | string changes, make sure to have the late-l10n keyword set, and ring | 07:13 |
| asac | all bells and whistles to get the bugs triaged. | 07:13 |
| asac | no idea | 07:13 |
| asac | what late-l10n is empowered to | 07:13 |
| asac | i will ping mconnor again | 07:13 |
| asac | he didn't answer two days ago | 07:13 |
| asac | http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/msg/211615c0ace0c1ce | 07:13 |
| asac | [reed]: if no strings were removed i could punch the latest strings into translations | 07:19 |
| asac | (after b5) | 07:19 |
| [reed] | well, some were removed, as when we change a string, we "rev the entity", which means renaming the entity, which removes a string and adds a new one, basically | 07:20 |
| [reed] | but localizers are supposed to be done with all their work by today (Thursday) | 07:20 |
| [reed] | so, again, it'll be an act of God before we change another string | 07:21 |
| asac | [reed]: yeah ... point is that if we ship b5 we will have issues upgrading our translations. | 07:21 |
| asac | so ... option is to ship rc1pre | 07:21 |
| [reed] | rc1pre isn't that bad | 07:21 |
| asac | yeah i know ;) | 07:22 |
| [reed] | it's a risk, yes | 07:22 |
| asac | question is if the risk is higher than shipping b5 | 07:22 |
| asac | :) | 07:22 |
| [reed] | but a pretty well calculated and controlled risk | 07:22 |
| asac | maybe ill ask for permissions to name it 3.0ubu1 | 07:22 |
| asac | :) | 07:22 |
| asac | so far our management chewed that we ship b5. but i think they are still digesting so its open if they get sick | 07:23 |
| [reed] | well, talk to blizzard and mconnor | 07:25 |
| asac | will do. have no choice i guess | 07:25 |
| asac | lets hope they have a minute for me ;) | 07:25 |
| DktrKranz2 | asac: we're close to have ubuntu-it-menu, you said to move bzr repo to ~ubuntu-dev, is it enough to reparent it and adjust entry in debian/control accordingly, or there's something else to do? | 07:51 |
| asac | DktrKranz2: the entry in control is already fixed afaik | 07:53 |
| asac | you just need to branch volans .ubuntu branch and push that to ~ubuntu-dev instead | 07:53 |
| asac | DktrKranz2: please hurry. i thought you already uploaded that yesterday | 07:54 |
| asac | ill prod archive admins today to do a last round of NEW processing for ffox extensions ;) | 07:54 |
| DktrKranz2 | asac: sure. I'll do right now. | 07:55 |
| asac | DktrKranz2: do a last commit on top that reads "* RELEASE VERSION to ubuntu/hardy" | 07:55 |
| asac | just adapt changelog date to qualify a commit | 07:55 |
| asac | thanks | 07:55 |
| DktrKranz2 | thank *you* | 07:55 |
| asac | (maybe he still has UNRELEASED in changelog ... switch that to hardy" | 07:55 |
| asac | in that commit | 07:55 |
| asac | ) | 07:55 |
| DktrKranz2 | in a couple of minutes, it will be in NEW | 07:55 |
| asac | gogogo :-P | 07:55 |
| asac | great | 07:56 |
| asac | let me know | 07:56 |
| DktrKranz2 | sure | 07:56 |
| asac | [reed]: read ... can you test something for me? | 08:02 |
| asac | [reed]: personally i ave no issues to use flashplugin without libflashsupport together with ESD(pulseaudio) in hardy | 08:03 |
| asac | can you confirm that everything works for you as well? | 08:03 |
| asac | fta: ^^ can you please test the behaviour you experience with that combination? | 08:03 |
| [reed] | can't test tonight | 08:03 |
| asac | ok | 08:03 |
| [reed] | maybe tomorrow | 08:03 |
| * asac joins #ubuntu-testing | 08:04 | |
| asac | lets see what that channel is worth | 08:08 |
| DktrKranz2 | asac: done! | 08:25 |
| asac | DktrKranz2: thx | 08:25 |
| DktrKranz2 | now it's in the hands of a-a guys | 08:26 |
| asac | carlos: morning ;) | 08:37 |
| carlos | asac: morning | 08:37 |
| asac | carlos: looking at the translation page there it reads "Used in firefox in Ubuntu Hardy package "firefox-3.0" by Alexander Sack (asac: 142348) [ubuntumembers] [ubuntu-dev] [ubuntu-bugcontrol] [ubuntu-core-dev] on 2008-04-07" | 08:37 |
| carlos | asac: all patches are now on production | 08:37 |
| asac | does that mean that the template is already imported? | 08:37 |
| carlos | asac: URL? | 08:38 |
| asac | carlos: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+pots/xulrunner/de/+translate?show=untranslated&start=60 | 08:38 |
| asac | every entity is now used by ffox 3 on 7th apr | 08:39 |
| carlos | asac: that just says that you translated that message | 08:43 |
| carlos | or that someone uploaded a .po file using your name as the translator | 08:43 |
| carlos | asac: beta5 is not yet uploaded, though. I'm trying to fix a problem with the import queue (related with oo.org) | 08:44 |
| asac | carlos: ok | 08:44 |
| carlos | and then, beta5 should be imported | 08:44 |
| asac | carlos: could we punch in the template at least? | 08:44 |
| asac | it don't need translations right now, but getting all strings would help me prepare initial langpacks for b5 | 08:45 |
| carlos | asac: the problem is the same for template and translations, so I need to fix that problem first (waiting for approval from management people to get that applied) | 08:45 |
| asac | ok | 08:45 |
| asac | thougth you might influence the import queue to do the template in between processing ooo translations ... but fine | 08:46 |
| carlos | asac: the problem is that I don't have such direct control | 08:50 |
| carlos | asac: I need to request raw DB command execution, which is the 'fix' I just requested to speed imports anyway... | 08:50 |
| asac | carlos: ah ok. ill stop bothering you then ;) | 08:50 |
| asac | sorry | 08:51 |
| carlos | don't worry, you don't know the internals of our procedures so is not a problem to clarify it to you | 08:51 |
| carlos | asac: btw, almost all times I visit planet.ubuntu.com my firefox dies | 09:04 |
| carlos | asac: is that a known bug? | 09:04 |
| carlos | asac: I'm with Hardy | 09:04 |
| asac | carlos: flashplugin-nonfree? | 09:05 |
| asac | installed? | 09:05 |
| carlos | yeah, I have it | 09:05 |
| asac | carlos: ok ... good then you are th enext tester ;) | 09:05 |
| * carlos hides ... | 09:06 | |
| asac | please move away your /usr/lib/libflashsupport.so | 09:06 |
| carlos | :-D | 09:06 |
| asac | and see if its gone | 09:06 |
| asac | restart everything to be sure | 09:06 |
| carlos | everything == my session? | 09:06 |
| asac | carlos: do you have sound server enabled in sound prefs | 09:06 |
| carlos | or just be sure that firefox is not really running? | 09:06 |
| carlos | asac: yes, I do | 09:06 |
| asac | carlos: to be safe yes. its important to see that no firefox nor flash is running anymore | 09:06 |
| asac | so its not required to restart session | 09:06 |
| asac | only instruction i have to rule out any leftovers though | 09:07 |
| carlos | ok | 09:07 |
| carlos | 'ps' and 'kill' should help here ;-) | 09:07 |
| asac | yeah ... but you never know ;) | 09:07 |
| asac | carlos: maybe its also important to see that noone has a file handle open on libflashsupport anymore (but not sure) | 09:08 |
| carlos | ok | 09:08 |
| carlos | asac: btw, why does it only happen with planet.ubuntu.com? | 09:08 |
| asac | carlos: not sure if its the same issue ... does it help at all? | 09:09 |
| carlos | it died again | 09:09 |
| carlos | and lsof doesn't show to me any libflash file open | 09:10 |
| asac | then its something different | 09:10 |
| carlos | asac: the interesting bit is that when I restart firefox | 09:10 |
| asac | carlos: start firefox -safe-mode | 09:10 |
| carlos | Ubuntu's planet loads well | 09:10 |
| asac | he? | 09:11 |
| carlos | the problem seems to be my usual combination of pages | 09:11 |
| carlos | planet.gnome.org, barrapunto.com, planet.ubuntu.com | 09:11 |
| carlos | then, crahs! | 09:11 |
| carlos | asac: should I select any option in that dialog I get from -safe-mode ? | 09:11 |
| asac | carlos: no | 09:12 |
| asac | let me test | 09:12 |
| asac | carlos: i don't see that crash :( | 09:13 |
| carlos | trying to reproduce it now with the -safe-mode | 09:14 |
| asac | ok ... lets wait for that then | 09:14 |
| carlos | asac: hmm, nothing breaks with -safe-mode | 09:17 |
| asac | carlos: ok ... its either an extension or plugin then | 09:17 |
| asac | carlos: is flash enabled in -safe-mode? | 09:17 |
| asac | can you see flash content? | 09:17 |
| carlos | asac: given that I removed the library... I don't think so | 09:18 |
| carlos | but let me check | 09:18 |
| asac | carlos: ok, if it really crashed without flash its probably an extension | 09:18 |
| asac | what are you using? | 09:19 |
| carlos | asac: it died again... let me do the other check you asked me... | 09:20 |
| carlos | asac: firebug and addblocker | 09:20 |
| carlos | asac: firebug was installed manually not from a package | 09:20 |
| carlos | asac: safe-mode does include flash plugin | 09:21 |
| asac | include == keep enabled? | 09:21 |
| asac | carlos: ok we have firebug in a package ... can you try that? | 09:21 |
| carlos | asac: yes | 09:21 |
| carlos | even if I removed that library you asked me to remove | 09:21 |
| asac | carlos: libflashsupport? | 09:22 |
| carlos | asac: does it work with firefox 3 ? | 09:22 |
| asac | thats not flash thats just the pulse audio fix for it | 09:22 |
| asac | carlos: firebug in the archive should work | 09:22 |
| carlos | asac: I had to manually install it because the package in Ubuntu was not compatible | 09:22 |
| carlos | asac: ah, ok | 09:22 |
| carlos | ok, let me check | 09:22 |
| carlos | asac: btw, should I restore that library? | 09:22 |
| asac | carlos: no ... that library is bogus and causes crashes anyway ;) | 09:23 |
| asac | so better keep it removed | 09:23 |
| asac | carlos: ok, so if hte crash really reappears without -safe-mode it is an extension you can figure by disabling your extension and restarting and trying to reproduce | 09:24 |
| carlos | asac: I'm installing now the firebug extension from the archive | 09:24 |
| asac | great | 09:24 |
| carlos | same problem with the one from the archive | 09:27 |
| * carlos starts disabling extensions... | 09:27 | |
| carlos | asac: seems to work if I disable firebug extension | 09:32 |
| asac | intersting | 09:33 |
| asac | carlos: maybe it interferes with adblock? | 09:33 |
| asac | are you using adblock-plus from the archive? | 09:33 |
| asac | (or from addons.mozilla.org) | 09:33 |
| asac | adblock-plus over adblock (plain) | 09:33 |
| carlos | from the archive | 09:34 |
| asac | carlos: so does it still crash with firebug enabled, but with adblock disabled? | 09:55 |
| carlos | sorry, got distracted with something else | 09:55 |
| carlos | let me check... | 09:55 |
| asac | no problem ;) | 09:56 |
| carlos | asac: yeah, seems to be a problem having adblockplus and firebug enabled at the same time | 10:09 |
| asac | carlos: hmm. ok | 10:12 |
| carlos | asac: just as a followup, I got a crash again with adblockplus disabled and firebug enabled | 11:50 |
| carlos | asac: so maybe is just firebug | 11:51 |
| asac | carlos: ok. thanks for the info. please file one | 11:51 |
| carlos | not the combination of both | 11:51 |
| asac | carlos: do you have a .crash that you could submit? | 11:51 |
| carlos | where is it stored? | 11:51 |
| asac | in /var/crash | 11:51 |
| asac | submitting by double clicking would submit it | 11:51 |
| carlos | oh, the bug reporting tool in Ubuntu found it | 11:52 |
| asac | there might be some private data in the coredump obviously, but the bug is private until we reviewed the backtrace and removed the coredump | 11:52 |
| carlos | that was what I was going to ask you | 11:53 |
| carlos | will cookies and cached password appear there? | 11:54 |
| asac | carlos: they might. apport submitted crashes are private. we can instantly take a look and remove any sensitive parts before we open it up | 12:12 |
| carlos | ok | 12:12 |
| carlos | asac: dude, I'm still uploading the core... | 12:49 |
| fta | hi | 13:40 |
| fta | bug 49613 | 13:40 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 49613 in flashplugin-nonfree "flash plugin always rendered on top of html" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49613 | 13:40 |
| fta | asac, any idea why this bug is back ? | 13:41 |
| fta | bug 177856 | 13:41 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 177856 in nspluginwrapper "Gutsy 64: nspluginwrapper errors with flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.115" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177856 | 13:41 |
| fta | mozilla bug 427385 | 13:45 |
| ubotu | Mozilla bug 427385 in GFX: Thebes "april 6th ff3 trunk crash when opening this huge PNG [XError: 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)']" [Critical,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427385 | 13:45 |
| asac | carlos: please dn't cancel the upload ;) ... otherwise we won't get any backtrace ;) | 13:51 |
| asac | fta: i think its your bug and except crashing firefox it just crashes flash leaving a grey area | 13:55 |
| fta | ? | 13:56 |
| fta | bug 49613 ? | 13:56 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 49613 in flashplugin-nonfree "flash plugin always rendered on top of html" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49613 | 13:56 |
| fta | i confirm this one is back | 13:56 |
| asac | no you didn't paste that one | 13:57 |
| asac | bug 49613 that was never gone. i think its waiting for the fix on flash side | 13:57 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 49613 in flashplugin-nonfree "flash plugin always rendered on top of html" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49613 | 13:57 |
| fta | [Thu 14:41] <fta> bug 177856 | 13:58 |
| asac | ah i misread | 13:58 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 177856 in nspluginwrapper "Gutsy 64: nspluginwrapper errors with flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.115" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177856 | 13:58 |
| asac | i read: | 13:58 |
| asac | 14:41 < fta> asac, any idea why this bug is back ? | 13:58 |
| asac | 14:41 < fta> bug 177856 | 13:58 |
| asac | ;) | 13:58 |
| fta | k | 13:58 |
| fta | strangely, trunk in wine / vista is almost perfect :) | 13:59 |
| fta | i expected it to break everywhere (because of wine) but it's clean | 14:00 |
| asac | he? | 14:02 |
| asac | you mean running firefox 3 .exe? | 14:02 |
| fta | yes | 14:02 |
| fta | i need to run a windows app needing shockwave, it doesn't work out of the box so i installed ff3 inside wine and let it install shockwave from inside wine | 14:03 |
| fta | (as installing directly from the setup.exe didn't work at all) | 14:04 |
| fta | it installed fine, yet my app still complain about missing shockwave 10 (i've installed the current one, ie 11) | 14:05 |
| carlos | asac: I didn't cancel it, but it failed (after more than 30 minutes...) | 14:12 |
| asac | carlos: damn ;) | 14:13 |
| asac | carlos: you could install xulrunner-1.9-dbgsym and firefox-3.0-dbgsym and run firefox in gdb to get a backtrace as well | 14:13 |
| asac | carlos: the apt lines for dbgsym packages is in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash | 14:14 |
| asac | s/gutsy/hardy/ i guess | 14:14 |
| asac | fta: crazy | 14:14 |
| carlos | ok | 14:14 |
| asac | maybe we should drop ffox from distribution and run wine ;) | 14:15 |
| fta | asac, i don't need ff3 in wine, i just need a shockwave recognized by a w$ app | 14:16 |
| asac | yeah i got that ;) | 14:16 |
| asac | still it works which is really great imo | 14:16 |
| fta | maybe it's a 64b issue (my laptop) as i don't remember having to do that when I setup the same app on my (32b) desktop months ago | 14:18 |
| asac | hmm. yeah does wine run 64b? | 14:20 |
| fta | donno | 14:22 |
| fta | oops, ff3 crash | 14:22 |
| fta | youtube, login, login with google account, boom | 14:23 |
| asac | yeah if youtube is involved everything can happen | 14:23 |
| asac | if flashsupport is used | 14:23 |
| fta | nope, seems to be another nss crash | 14:24 |
| asac | fta: can you pleas move libflashsupport.so away and give me an update what works and what not with most recente flash + PA ? | 14:25 |
| fta | I've had no crash flash related since yesterday's flash update | 14:25 |
| asac | fta: well it works here too | 14:26 |
| fta | <asac> fta: looking at flashsupport code right now. i think the ssl backtraces you got are really related to flashsupport | 14:28 |
| asac | fta: i tried openssl it didn't help for the crashes | 14:28 |
| asac | and those are nss symbols | 14:28 |
| asac | only thing i could imagine is that flash keeps using file descriptors that are already used somewhere else | 14:28 |
| fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6699/ | 14:29 |
| asac | fta: the ticket that covers our crash in flashssuport is: | 14:29 |
| asac | http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/225 | 14:30 |
| fta | i thought this PORT_ZFree_Util() crash was fixed 2 days ago.. hm | 14:30 |
| fta | "Opened 3 months ago" | 14:31 |
| fta | damn dbgsym, my upgrade was incomplete | 14:48 |
| asac | fta: hmm likely not because of ffox+xul dbgsym? | 14:54 |
| fta | i had nss dbgsym from my previous update but not for the last one | 14:55 |
| fta | asac, it seems i need backup from a cannonical guy to have dbgsym in ppa | 15:03 |
| fta | see #lp | 15:03 |
| asac | fta: thats has been frequently requested by other canonical guys alrady. such things take ages | 15:04 |
| fta | just read the last few lines.. | 15:04 |
| asac | i am not in that channel ... just joined now | 15:05 |
| fta | asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6700/ | 15:05 |
| fta | er, 200+ rss news every 6h those days, I can't cope with that | 15:13 |
| asac | fta: ill ask around, but i think that distro team already expressed their interest in this | 15:54 |
| fta | ok, thanks | 15:55 |
| asac | Volans: hi. i think your extension has been newed | 16:21 |
| asac | archive admins pointed out that you ship as GPLv2 or later, but some files are already GPLv3 | 16:22 |
| Volans | Hi asac, yes, DktrKranz has uploaded it, is in the queuq | 16:22 |
| Volans | *queue | 16:22 |
| asac | Volans: it should already be source newed | 16:22 |
| Volans | what files are GPL3 ? | 16:22 |
| asac | it will get in, but we should upload an update that names the GPLv3 files in debian/copyright or upgrade everything to GPLv3 | 16:22 |
| asac | Volans: some .js files | 16:22 |
| Volans | I'm checking | 16:24 |
| asac | Volans: | 16:24 |
| asac | 12:36 < seb128> content/ubuntuit files are GPL 3 or newer too | 16:25 |
| asac | 12:36 < seb128> chrome/content/ubuntuit files are GPL 3 or newer too | 16:25 |
| Volans | mmmh I have found! I have copied into any code files the preamble of the GPL license copied from the GPL site that now show the 3 version | 16:25 |
| Volans | and I have forgot to change the number from 3 to 2, but the link below point to the GPLv2 license... | 16:25 |
| asac | Volans: | 16:25 |
| asac | 12:35 < seb128> asac: defaults/preferences/ubuntuit.js is GPL 3 or newer, as are build.xml chrome.manifest install.rdf and the debian/copyright says it's GPL 2 or newer | 16:25 |
| Volans | yeah, I see, ig mistake, my fault, sorry | 16:26 |
| Volans | How I can solve this? put all in GPL 2 correctly is not possible now? | 16:26 |
| asac | Volans: well ... its your decision. either upgrade everything to GPLv3 or later or use GPLv2 everywhere | 16:27 |
| asac | Volans: id suggest to use GPLv3 :) | 16:27 |
| fta | could someone update adblock-plus, 0.7.5.4 is out upstream | 16:27 |
| asac | tell that rainCT | 16:28 |
| asac | upgrade .upstream ... merge to .ubuntu and bump the log | 16:28 |
| Volans | asac: the gnome icon theme that I use is GPL version 2 only | 16:29 |
| Volans | as I see in /usr/share/doc/gnome-icon-theme/copyright | 16:29 |
| asac | Volans: ok. fix the licensing in .upstream to use GPLv2 or later everywhere | 16:32 |
| asac | and then merge that over to .ubuntu and bump upstream version with new changelog entry | 16:33 |
| asac | thanks | 16:33 |
| asac | carlos: maybe the trnaslation tar.gz didn't arrive because it was stuck in queue NEW? | 16:33 |
| asac | carlos: its definitly in the uploaded firefox binary changes | 16:34 |
| asac | carlos: so maybe its there now? | 16:34 |
| asac | (queue is now empty) | 16:34 |
| asac | RainCT: i think we can upgrade adblock if we can declare this a mere bug fix release :) | 16:34 |
| asac | at best today as the archive is not yet locked | 16:35 |
| carlos | asac: did you upload an update? | 16:35 |
| asac | carlos: no ... the last firefox upload | 16:35 |
| DktrKranz2 | asac: any licensing issues with ubuntu-it-menu? a-a accepted it, so probably it's ok for them ATM | 16:35 |
| asac | i referred to | 16:35 |
| asac | carlos: i just wanted to point out that it might have been stuck i nQUEUE for a day or two ... so maybe it arrived later than xulrunner | 16:35 |
| asac | DktrKranz2: they complained about the GPLv3 GPLv2 mix and accepted it based on the promise that we fix it | 16:36 |
| carlos | asac: let me check... | 16:36 |
| asac | DktrKranz2: and it now turned out that GPLv3 is not ok because of GPLv2 only of icon theme :( | 16:36 |
| DktrKranz2 | asac: ah... do they want to be fixed right now, or we can dalay to new upstream? | 16:37 |
| asac | DktrKranz2: we should fix the .upstream branch, bump the upstream version and merge that to ubuntu branch to bake a new upload | 16:37 |
| asac | so its a minor new upsream bump | 16:37 |
| asac | and we should do that now (in cooperation with Volans) | 16:37 |
| DktrKranz2 | and just to fix licensing issues, so I guess it won't hurt motu-release | 16:38 |
| Volans | yes, I can update the .upstream and .ubuntu branches in a few minutes | 16:38 |
| asac | DktrKranz2: they delagated the approval to me | 16:38 |
| asac | for extensions | 16:38 |
| asac | Volans: yeah. just remember to use bzr merge ../*upstream in the .ubuntu branch ;) | 16:38 |
| asac | but i guess you know how to merge :) | 16:39 |
| asac | thanks | 16:39 |
| DktrKranz2 | asac: ah, right. I forgot. | 16:39 |
| carlos | asac: no, it didn't appear | 16:39 |
| asac | carlos: pitti said that its a problem on your side because its in .changes | 16:40 |
| asac | let me search for the changes uploaded | 16:40 |
| asac | carlos: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13136097/firefox-3.0_3.0~b5%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1_i386.changes | 16:40 |
| asac | ad96449821055225ed3702820e885aa7 34922 raw-translations - firefox-3.0_3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_i386_translations.tar.gz | 16:40 |
| carlos | hmm | 16:40 |
| carlos | asac: well, I don't see it in people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/translations | 16:41 |
| carlos | and that's from buildd | 16:41 |
| asac | carlos: how does it get there? | 16:41 |
| carlos | before we really get it in Launchpad | 16:41 |
| carlos | asac: some 'magic' from buildd | 16:41 |
| asac | ok lets ask lamont then i guess ;) | 16:41 |
| carlos | I don't know that process | 16:41 |
| carlos | asac: I know that we had a bug in Launchpad that was ignoring .xpi files | 16:42 |
| carlos | that's already fixed on production | 16:42 |
| asac | carlos: ok. lets see if he has an idea | 16:42 |
| asac | i prodded him in -devel now | 16:42 |
| carlos | so next upload should show it if we really are getting it from buildd | 16:42 |
| carlos | ok | 16:42 |
| asac | carlos: oh the ffox template was imported? | 16:46 |
| carlos | ? | 16:46 |
| asac | i have "red" section on translation page again (which wasn't there before) | 16:46 |
| asac | hmm .. .maybe not. | 16:46 |
| asac | just confused | 16:46 |
| Volans | asac: what you suggest for the license due to the fact that gnome-icons are GPL 2 only. Is better that I release my code under GPL 2 only or GPL 2 and newer? and the global package can ge gpl 2 or newer or must be gpl 2 only? | 16:47 |
| asac | Volans: definitly "or later" | 16:48 |
| asac | only is always a lock in and removed flexibility without reason | 16:48 |
| Volans | ok, for my cose I use the standard form: "either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version." | 16:48 |
| carlos | asac: this is what you should care of: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/firefox-3.0/+imports | 16:48 |
| asac | you can use GPL 2 or later ... the icons will make it implicitly GPL 2 only ... but if you switch icons they will be GPL or later | 16:48 |
| Volans | s/cose/code/ | 16:48 |
| RainCT | argh, CVS is a mess :/ | 16:48 |
| carlos | asac: until it's not empty or with the entries in 'Imported' it's not yet handled | 16:48 |
| asac | Volans: maybe name the icons that are GPLv2 only explicitly (like exception) | 16:49 |
| Volans | quite all the icons are GPL2 only.... :( | 16:49 |
| asac | carlos: ok :( | 16:49 |
| asac | carlos: i desperately need those ;( | 16:49 |
| * asac whining mode | 16:49 | |
| asac | thanks | 16:49 |
| carlos | asac: we already fixed the problem with oo.org | 16:50 |
| asac | Volans: yes. thats a shame, and probably due to folks not knowing what they are doing | 16:50 |
| carlos | asac: so it's just now a matter of wait for the queue to handle those | 16:50 |
| asac | Volans: but you have to accept their decision :) | 16:50 |
| asac | ok off for a while travelling the world :) | 16:55 |
| asac | be back later | 16:55 |
| asac | Volans: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-it-menu/1.0.6-0ubuntu1 | 16:55 |
| RainCT | any idea why the version file in adblock-plus's CVS still says 0.7.5.3 (http://www.mozdev.org/source/browse/adblockplus/src/version?rev=1.27;content-type=text%2Fplain) ? | 17:02 |
| RainCT | (s/any idea/is that normal) | 17:02 |
| fta | donno, on AMO, it's 0.7.5.4 | 17:03 |
| RainCT | fta: yes, on adblockplus.org too, but not on the CVS | 17:03 |
| RainCT | or at least on the versions file | 17:03 |
| RainCT | perhaps they just forgot to change it there.. | 17:03 |
| RainCT | asac: btw, adblock-plus is also compatible with Thunderbird. Do we want the package to work with it? | 17:09 |
| fta | oh, the latest flash update was a security update. hmm. http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/04/security-update-for-adobe-flash-plugin/ | 17:09 |
| Volans | asac: I have uploaded to upstream the files with the correct license preamble, due to the GPLv2 only for Gnome icons I have changed the LICENSE file, can you see it here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~volans/firefox-extensions/ubuntu-it-menu.upstream | 18:02 |
| Volans | maybe can you check it? | 18:02 |
| RainCT | asac, fta: bug 215201 | 18:49 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 215201 in adblock-plus "New adblock-plus version: 0.7.5.4" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215201 | 18:49 |
| fta | RainCT, no debdiff ? | 18:54 |
| fta | (debian/* only) | 18:54 |
| asac | RainCT: i added the info about FFe bug to bug | 18:56 |
| asac | go ahead | 18:56 |
| asac | asap | 18:56 |
| asac | (before the archive locks down) | 18:56 |
| asac | RainCT: i have no feedback on how much adblock plus breaks thunderbird or works so Id rather say no for hardy. | 19:00 |
| asac | but in the end this is the maintainers decision ;) | 19:00 |
| asac | or whoever cares most | 19:00 |
| fta | asac, for bug 214620, i propose: | 19:01 |
| fta | -DisplayIf: pgrep firefox -U $(id -u) > /dev/null | 19:01 |
| fta | +DisplayIf: ! ps -C firefox -U $(id -u) | 19:01 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 214620 in firefox-3.0 "hardy livecd asks for firefox-3.0 restart" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214620 | 19:01 |
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| asac | fta: didn't you change that for last release? | 19:03 |
| fta | yep but obviously, people are still complaining | 19:04 |
| fta | the doc is unclear | 19:05 |
| asac | fta: you remember i what the original test was? | 19:05 |
| asac | i got that command from mvo. he is the guy who implemented this, so he knows the pattern | 19:05 |
| asac | so if you just s/firefox-3/firefox/ then i don't know | 19:06 |
| RainCT | fta: bzr diff -rXX..18 debian/ is your friend :) | 19:11 |
| RainCT | asac: uploading, thanks | 19:13 |
| fta | asac, pulseaudio is using ps -C | 19:13 |
| fta | only the return code seems to be important | 19:13 |
| asac | fta: yes. but why '!' ? | 19:14 |
| fta | try it :) | 19:14 |
| asac | fta: well ... i really think its a problem in the livecd creation. | 19:15 |
| asac | why is the notifier file placed in /var/... at all | 19:15 |
| asac | we do that in postinst and only if the firefox process is running | 19:16 |
| asac | that shouldn't be the case for the livecd | 19:16 |
| asac | ill ask the guy on the bug | 19:16 |
| asac | if the file is really placed there then displaying the notification is the right thing to do if firefox is running | 19:17 |
| Volans | asac: maybe have you seen the new license file I have linked above? | 19:18 |
| asac | no ;) ... i just arrived. let me sort before diving into things again :) | 19:19 |
| * asac doig that now | 19:19 | |
| asac | ;) | 19:19 |
| fta | asac, this is dirty anyway, xul should handle that itself | 19:20 |
| * asac reconstructs (33/100) | 19:28 | |
| fta | ? | 19:29 |
| asac | hehe ... just a joke | 19:29 |
| asac | fta: its known that this is dirty and I planned to have a session for this at UDS | 19:29 |
| asac | its not simple to do properly obviously | 19:29 |
| RainCT | asac: archives are already frozen.. "Waiting for approval: adblock-plus 0.7.5.4-0ubuntu1 (source)" | 19:30 |
| asac | i have a few half-grown ideas in my head. but we need to coordinate everything with the apt maintiner | 19:30 |
| asac | RainCT: hmm. | 19:30 |
| asac | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-April/025259.html | 19:31 |
| asac | those are the univers guidelines | 19:31 |
| asac | apparently i can approve things. | 19:32 |
| asac | RainCT: did you test that it works? | 19:33 |
| RainCT | asac: yes, I'm using it right now | 19:33 |
| asac | ok re-acked to be sure | 19:35 |
| asac | RainCT: is the bug in changelog? | 19:36 |
| RainCT | asac: yes :) | 19:36 |
| asac | ok ... if nothing happens in lets say two days let me know ;) | 19:37 |
| asac | but i guess archive-admins are doing this full time now ... so it shouldn't take that long | 19:37 |
| asac | especially since this upload is probably on top of the queue :) | 19:37 |
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| RainCT | what's "p"? :P | 19:41 |
| asac | Volans: ok, can you make a new release out of .upstream by bumping extension version to 1.0.7 or 1.0.6.1? then merge it over to ubuntu, open a bug about licensing issues so i can grant exception for that and remember to note that in .ubuntu changelog entry? | 19:42 |
| asac | Volans: bumping version in .upstream branch first. | 19:43 |
| asac | Volans: maybe consider to use that bzr branch as the official upstream branch ;) | 19:43 |
| asac | you could even great a project for your extension in launchpad ;) | 19:43 |
| asac | RainCT: p == probability | 19:43 |
| * asac phone | 19:43 | |
| jimmy_ | asac: I just sent you the gconf patch | 19:44 |
| RainCT | ahh, hadn't noticed the question mark before it.. why is there a sad face then? :P | 19:44 |
| asac | jimmy_: thanks. looking | 19:46 |
| asac | takes a bit :/ | 19:46 |
| Volans | asac: no problem to use the upstream as the official code repository and / or open a project on LP for that | 19:46 |
| asac | RainCT: well that means that firefox rc1 in hardy final? p < 5% :) | 19:47 |
| asac | Volans: welcome. if you need support to set things up let me know | 19:47 |
| asac | Volans: you can either use the firefox-extensions project as now ... or create your own and push the .upstream branch there | 19:47 |
| jimmy_ | asac: i think the diff included the flip as well, so you might want to take that out, /modules/libpref/src/init/all.js | 19:49 |
| RainCT | asac: "p < 5% :) | 19:49 |
| RainCT | p > 95% :( | 19:49 |
| asac | jimmy_: thanks if its just that hunk i can sort that | 19:49 |
| asac | jimmy_: actually midbrowser with xul works here on my amd64 ... i got a wierd X error with it on i386 | 19:49 |
| asac | (the one from hardy archive i mean) | 19:49 |
| * RainCT decides to stop wondering about nonsense and goes to study for his exam tomorrow ^^ | 19:49 | |
| asac | RainCT: yeah ;) | 19:49 |
| asac | jimmy_: only thing i notice right away is that the grabanddrag hand in the toolbar is pretty much coarse grained because of the toolbar resize i guess | 19:51 |
| jimmy_ | asac: why you testing it in amd64? should be intel chips only :) | 19:54 |
| asac | jimmy_: i have amd here | 19:55 |
| asac | jimmy_: it works on amd ... it breaks on intel ;) | 19:56 |
| asac | jimmy_: my main development system in amd ... feel free to sponsor me a quad core super intel box ... ill dispose this one gracefully :) | 19:56 |
| jimmy_ | asac: LOL, carl is the right guy to ask :) | 19:57 |
| asac | damn he is not online ;) | 19:57 |
| jimmy_ | asac: we are working on some problematic font issues right now | 19:58 |
| asac | jimmy_: yeah i read carls post about status | 19:58 |
| asac | jimmy_: why do you still run as root? | 19:58 |
| asac | thats a bad idea in the beginning | 19:58 |
| asac | does UME still have no user by default? | 19:58 |
| jimmy_ | asac: we don't run as root in our image, but we test it in the chroot environment before in xepher | 19:59 |
| asac | ah. so is it reproducible in xephyr? | 19:59 |
| asac | (though i run it as user there as well) | 19:59 |
| jimmy_ | asac: we didn't expect it to produce different rendering behaviors | 19:59 |
| jimmy_ | asac: yeah, it is reproducable in xepher | 19:59 |
| asac | jimmy_: running as root might confuse everything. especially if you have a xul + ffox split | 20:00 |
| asac | its not supposed to have write access and might create component and chrom registry data in pkglibdir | 20:00 |
| asac | which might cause all kind of wierd issues later on | 20:00 |
| jimmy_ | asac: also the some stupid Chinese sites don't work, even on the regular Firefox on Hardy | 20:00 |
| asac | further, i think there are even parts of gtk that get disabled if you run as root. at least i remember to see some wierd uid==0 checks with return in some gtk/gnome lib | 20:01 |
| asac | jimmy_: have a page? | 20:01 |
| jimmy_ | asac: www.sohu.com | 20:01 |
| jimmy_ | and mall.sina.com.cn | 20:01 |
| asac | jimmy_: what kind of rendering issues do you experience. the latter looks pretty decent | 20:02 |
| jimmy_ | it's some minor font issue | 20:02 |
| asac | (for the untrained eye) | 20:02 |
| jimmy_ | in sohu.com, where the top of the page, after the login password edit fields, there are 2 links 注册 帮助 | 20:03 |
| jimmy_ | they should be on the same row as the login fields, but in FF 3.0, they got wrapped to the next row | 20:04 |
| asac | jimmy_: zooming out fixes that for me | 20:05 |
| jimmy_ | in mall.sina.com, the fonts in blue on the left menu also have the same problem | 20:05 |
| asac | jimmy_: i think they use absolute width somewhere on the site | 20:05 |
| asac | so it depends on the font used | 20:06 |
| asac | our default font appears to be too big to fit in that area | 20:06 |
| asac | so firefox has to overflow | 20:06 |
| jimmy_ | asac: i know, we think that the N810 uses different chinese fonts than we do | 20:06 |
| asac | jimmy_: i think the chines fonts we are using could definitly be improved. please talk to ArneGoetje who is responsible for asian fonts in ubuntu | 20:07 |
| asac | jimmy_: maybe he knows better which fonts should be used ... and then we can figure why they are not the default | 20:07 |
| jimmy_ | asac: is he in here? | 20:07 |
| asac | jimmy_: his nick is ArneGoetje in #ubuntu-devel | 20:07 |
| asac | he is in taiwan so probably asleep | 20:07 |
| jimmy_ | asac: cool, thanks | 20:07 |
| asac | but i can ask him to get in here tomorrow | 20:07 |
| asac | jimmy_: i think you can better catch each other in yours evening and his morning? | 20:08 |
| asac | jimmy_: ill tell him to ping you here if he wakes up | 20:09 |
| asac | ok done | 20:10 |
| jimmy_ | asac: allright | 20:10 |
| asac | jimmy_: he is still awake | 20:11 |
| ArneGoetje | hi | 20:12 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: jimmy_ | 20:12 |
| asac | jimmy_: ArneGoetje :) | 20:12 |
| asac | shake hands ;) | 20:13 |
| ArneGoetje | what's the problem? | 20:13 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: let me paste | 20:13 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6710/ | 20:14 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: thats about midbrowser but the same rendering issues exist in firefox we have | 20:14 |
| asac | looks like the sizing of the font is not what the site expects | 20:14 |
| asac | most likely just a crappy site, but maybe we have a better font? | 20:14 |
| asac | actually to my untrained eyes the fonts look pretty coarse | 20:15 |
| jimmy_ | asac: actually zooming out doesn't fix it for me | 20:16 |
| jimmy_ | i am still seeing the login button and the two words after right underneath the login fields | 20:17 |
| jimmy_ | they should line up | 20:17 |
| asac | jimmy_: it fixes it for me for sure. | 20:17 |
| asac | (welll if you can say fix at all) | 20:17 |
| asac | jimmy_: first zoom out -> button moves to top row | 20:18 |
| asac | second zooomout -> both links are up as well | 20:18 |
| jimmy_ | asac: i tried 2 zoom-outs, still at the bottom | 20:18 |
| asac | wow i really think that site is too crappy to consider fix worthy | 20:19 |
| jimmy_ | i am testing on a fresh Hardy beta image using FF beta 4 it comes with | 20:19 |
| asac | i mean they position the flash banners in absolute divs | 20:19 |
| asac | so if i resize the window things get wierd | 20:19 |
| jimmy_ | asac: i know, carl and i don't even consider those as bugs | 20:19 |
| asac | hi willguaraldi ;) | 20:20 |
| willguaraldi | hi! | 20:20 |
| ArneGoetje | that's really a page design issue. | 20:20 |
| asac | jimmy_: do you have any rendering issues you consider real bugs? | 20:20 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: the font doesn't look AA for me? | 20:20 |
| jimmy_ | but we are being pressued to fix them because the N810 which is also FF-based, can passed those sites | 20:20 |
| jimmy_ | asac: not really, they are all the same font issues | 20:20 |
| jimmy_ | asac: similar but a little different | 20:21 |
| ArneGoetje | asac: correct. it should be wwnquanyi-zenhei with embedded bitmaps turned on. AA on such a small size is unreadable and hurst the eyes. | 20:21 |
| asac | ok ... ArneGoetje do we have other chinese fonts that have a smaller sizing so jimmy_ can workaround this? | 20:21 |
| asac | embedded bitmaps? what the hell is going on :( | 20:21 |
| asac | anyway, do we have fonts that are somehow differently sized` | 20:22 |
| asac | ? | 20:22 |
| ArneGoetje | the page requests a fontsize of 12px and that's what it gets. | 20:22 |
| asac | i think the problem is not height, but width here | 20:22 |
| jimmy_ | ArneGoetje, can we install some other font package for now to work around this? | 20:22 |
| ArneGoetje | jimmy_: no. | 20:22 |
| asac | in german there are fonts that are wider at 12px and fonts that are tinier | 20:23 |
| asac | maybe the same exists for chinese? | 20:23 |
| asac | like wwnquanyi-zenhei-squeezed ;) | 20:23 |
| ArneGoetje | CJK fonts are sqared. 12px is 12x12 pixels. all bitmap fonts with this size display the same. | 20:23 |
| asac | ok so chinese is monospaced by-definition? | 20:24 |
| ArneGoetje | yes | 20:24 |
| jimmy_ | ArneGoetie, if Nokia's N810 can read those right, they must be using some proprietory fonts? | 20:24 |
| ArneGoetje | actually they are dualspaced. | 20:24 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: i read ChinaRep and 17173 in latin | 20:25 |
| ArneGoetje | jimmy_: probably | 20:25 |
| asac | maybe that is ment to be smaller? | 20:25 |
| asac | jimmy_: do they use firefox 2? | 20:25 |
| asac | e.g. gecko 1.8? | 20:25 |
| jimmy_ | they use FF 3 | 20:25 |
| jimmy_ | alpha1 based | 20:25 |
| asac | jimmy_: what dpi do you have on your screens? | 20:26 |
| jimmy_ | how do i check that? | 20:26 |
| Volans | asac: do we still need keeping my .ubuntu branch when there is an identical one in the ~ubuntu-dev? | 20:26 |
| asac | jimmy_: xpdyinfo gives you your screen width and height | 20:26 |
| asac | jimmy_: calculation is done accordingly | 20:26 |
| asac | those are in mm afaik | 20:27 |
| asac | so you need to convert to inch first | 20:27 |
| asac | Volans: no, what you do is that you mark it as "merged" in branch details | 20:27 |
| asac | that way it will disappear | 20:27 |
| asac | Volans: for next update you would push to ubuntu-it-menu.ubuntu.LPbugid or ubuntu-it-menu.ubuntu.TOPICNAME | 20:27 |
| asac | like ubuntu-it-menu.ubuntu.RELEASE.0.7.x | 20:28 |
| asac | and then you can request merge opn launchpad | 20:28 |
| jimmy_ | command not found for xpdyinfo | 20:28 |
| asac | jimmy_: typo alert ;) | 20:31 |
| asac | $ xdpyinfo | grep resolution resolution: 93x92 dots per inch | 20:31 |
| asac | those are two lines ... no idea why paste messed it up | 20:31 |
| ArneGoetje | hmm... ok, I think I know the rendering issue. | 20:32 |
| jimmy_ | resolution: 111x111 dots per inch | 20:32 |
| asac | jimmy_: try to force 96dpi | 20:32 |
| asac | jimmy_: do you have gnome? | 20:32 |
| jimmy_ | yes | 20:32 |
| asac | appearence -> font -> details (thats where you set font dpi) | 20:33 |
| asac | but apparently those are not honoured for that particular chinese font | 20:33 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: ^^ ? | 20:33 |
| jimmy_ | asac: but it is set to 96 | 20:33 |
| asac | why do latin fonts resize, but those chinese dont? | 20:33 |
| asac | jimmy_: ok. then also tweak ffox and set layout.css.dpi to 96+ | 20:34 |
| asac | 96 | 20:34 |
| ArneGoetje | the rendering uses the serif font by default, which uses AR PL Uming. This font has monospaced latin characters, whereas the sans-serif font wqy-zenhei has proportional latin charcaters. This should make the difference. Enforcing the page rendering with sans-serif might fix it. | 20:34 |
| asac | jimmy_: otherwise maybe try to use 111 in font appearence | 20:34 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: thanks. | 20:34 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: where can we find that font? | 20:34 |
| asac | do we need a package? | 20:35 |
| ArneGoetje | ttf-wqy-zenhei. It's pulled by language-support-zh | 20:35 |
| asac | jimmy_: ^^ | 20:35 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: but the non-latin chars are still monospaced? | 20:35 |
| asac | (just curious about this other world) | 20:36 |
| ArneGoetje | CJKglyphs are always monospaced | 20:36 |
| jimmy_ | so i just apt-get that font package? | 20:36 |
| asac | ok ... you said that. thanks for confirming ;) | 20:36 |
| asac | jimmy_: install that language-support-zh thing | 20:36 |
| jimmy_ | ok, pulling | 20:37 |
| jimmy_ | some 155mb :) | 20:37 |
| asac | jimmy_: appears like you lack proper chinese support :) | 20:38 |
| ArneGoetje | hm no... that one still doesn't fix it... maybe they used some condensed font when they created the layout? | 20:38 |
| ArneGoetje | I forced firefox to use sans-serif for Simplified Chinese pages. | 20:38 |
| ArneGoetje | I try again by enforcing WQY-Zenhei explicitely... | 20:39 |
| jimmy_ | right, we tried tweaking the default font types for CN-zh in about:config | 20:39 |
| jimmy_ | they have no effect on it | 20:39 |
| ArneGoetje | nope, even worse... | 20:39 |
| ArneGoetje | so, the page expects some condensed glyphs, at least for the latin part... | 20:40 |
| fta | [reed], mozilla bug 368091 killed me | 20:41 |
| ubotu | Mozilla bug 368091 in XUL Widgets "Toolkit's about:license needs to allow for different "official binaries" line" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368091 | 20:41 |
| fta | [reed], http://paste.ubuntu.com/6711/ | 20:42 |
| asac | fta: does the bustage fix help? | 20:43 |
| [reed] | I think they're working on it | 20:43 |
| [reed] | yeah | 20:43 |
| asac | there is a patch ;) | 20:43 |
| [reed] | check the bustage fix | 20:43 |
| asac | landed | 20:43 |
| asac | .... so I checked in this fix to | 20:44 |
| asac | hopefully fix them. | 20:44 |
| fta | I don't have content/overrides at all | 20:44 |
| fta | http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/toolkit/content/ | 20:45 |
| asac | yeah | 20:45 |
| jimmy_ | Arnegoetje, the language-support-zh doesn't fix it, and makes it worse, i changed the default font type for zh to serif instead of sans-serif to revert it back to normal | 20:45 |
| asac | jimmy_: but if it changed something there is hope imo :) | 20:46 |
| jimmy_ | asac: yeah, that's what carl and I have been playing around, with fonts all day :( | 20:46 |
| jimmy_ | asac: i don't really think it affects the usability at all, LOL, to us, the page seem fine | 20:47 |
| asac | jimmy_: yeah ... just ignore minorities :-P | 20:47 |
| asac | anyway. personally i would refuse to hunt anything that happens on crappy sites with fixed sizing ;) | 20:48 |
| jimmy_ | asac: but we still need to fix them to pass those IVP tests | 20:48 |
| ArneGoetje | jimmy_: maybe you can google for opendesktop-fonts-1.4.2.tar.gz and try those. they have been modified to resemble M$ MingLiU, whis is used in Taiwan. Maybe the Latin glyphs there fit better... (but I doubt it). | 20:48 |
| asac | jimmy_: write an extension that forcefully reduces font size on that site :) | 20:49 |
| ArneGoetje | asac: +1 | 20:49 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: hwat is it "traditional chinese" ? | 20:49 |
| asac | (taiwan or hong kong)? or simlified? | 20:50 |
| jimmy_ | asac: simplied chinese | 20:50 |
| jimmy_ | taiwan and hong kong uses traditional chinese | 20:50 |
| ArneGoetje | asac: Traditional: TW + HK + MO. Simplified: CN + SG | 20:50 |
| ArneGoetje | asac: the page we are talking about uses simplified chinese | 20:50 |
| asac | jimmy_: i managed to move the button up by changing the gnome theme ;) | 20:51 |
| asac | maybe you need to fix the textbox sizing in gtkrc | 20:51 |
| asac | yeah ... with "glider" theme the button comes up | 20:51 |
| ArneGoetje | asac: hey, that's a good idea... maybe compare it to a windows machine, how the textboxes render there... | 20:52 |
| asac | with high contrast even ... strange | 20:52 |
| asac | anyone knows how to tune the inner padding of text fields in gtk? | 20:52 |
| jimmy_ | i installed the languange-support-zh, the button also came up, but the two words are still at the bottom | 20:54 |
| ArneGoetje | I think it might be a mixed font and layout issue... can you please compare the page on a windows box and see what is different there? | 20:55 |
| jimmy_ | i think you are right tho, the login boxes seem to be longer in FF than in IE, at least to my eyes | 20:55 |
| jimmy_ | maybe some theme issues as well | 20:55 |
| ArneGoetje | Either the font is much more condensed (which is unlikely), or the textbox sizes and other elements on that page are narrower... | 20:56 |
| jimmy_ | its the width of the textboxes | 20:57 |
| jimmy_ | i think | 20:57 |
| ArneGoetje | ok... | 20:57 |
| jimmy_ | in IE, the end of the last textbox ends 2 words in front of TV | 20:58 |
| ArneGoetje | jimmy_: at 天 or at 邮 ? | 21:00 |
| jimmy_ | 天 | 21:00 |
| ArneGoetje | ah... that explains it... | 21:00 |
| ArneGoetje | I think the only font related issue might be the 'space' width... 输入法 has been forced into a new line... | 21:02 |
| asac | jimmy_: i think you can tweak this in gtkrc ... i am pretty sure | 21:02 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: can we try other space width? | 21:03 |
| ArneGoetje | asac: that's font specific. | 21:03 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: in this case its monospaced? | 21:03 |
| asac | hmmm rather half the size i guess | 21:04 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: forus also the submit button gets in the next row | 21:04 |
| ArneGoetje | asac: if you use sans-serif, then it's proportional... but the 'space' glyph may be wider than in some windows fonts. | 21:04 |
| asac | (because you said that only 输入法 is in another line for you) | 21:04 |
| ArneGoetje | asac: I was comparig only that line. | 21:05 |
| asac | ok | 21:05 |
| ArneGoetje | because that line apart from the logo on the left, is pure text. So, it's easier to spot font problems. So, as 输入法 gets kicked off the line, I suspect the 'space' glyph in our fonts is wider than in the windows fonts the page was designed for. | 21:06 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: how easy can the font be edited to have a smaller space? | 21:08 |
| asac | i imagine that changing spaces is one of the only tasks that appears to be not hard in designing fonts ;) | 21:08 |
| ArneGoetje | asac: just open the font in fontforge, adjust the glyph in U+0032 and generate a new font. For the bitmaps inside that font, they migth need to be rebuikt for that glyph. | 21:09 |
| ArneGoetje | eh... U+0020 of course | 21:10 |
| asac | jimmy_: try that as a measure ;) | 21:10 |
| ArneGoetje | as I see the page requests the Arial font... so, I would compare the glyphs width of the Arial font with the one in WQY ZenHei | 21:11 |
| ArneGoetje | but the difference should be only minimal. | 21:11 |
| jimmy_ | i am a little lost, what is glyph in fonts? | 21:12 |
| ArneGoetje | optionally you can try to create a new alias in fontconfig, let's say "sans-serif-condensed" and force DejaVu Sans Condensed as first font, followed by WenQuanYi ZenHei. | 21:13 |
| ArneGoetje | jimmy_: the glyph is what get rendered on the screen... the graphical representation of a given codepoint. The font maps codepoints to glyphs. | 21:14 |
| jimmy_ | ArneGoetji: so using fontconfig to create an alias will be easier? | 21:16 |
| ArneGoetje | jimmy_: probably... I'm trying now. | 21:16 |
| asac | jtv: still there? | 21:20 |
| jtv | asac: no, my day is really over! | 21:21 |
| asac | jtv: ok sleep well | 21:21 |
| asac | ;) | 21:21 |
| asac | cu @noon | 21:21 |
| jtv | :-) | 21:21 |
| jimmy_ | i'll be back, grab some lunch | 21:24 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: i think you should go to bed too ;) ... thanks for you help so far! | 21:25 |
| fta | [reed], $ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs-mirror.mozilla.org:/cvsroot -q -z 3 co -P -A -l mozilla/toolkit/content/overrides | 21:30 |
| fta | cvs server: cannot find module `mozilla/toolkit/content/overrides' - ignored | 21:30 |
| fta | cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot expand modules | 21:30 |
| fta | how is that patch supposed to work at all ? | 21:30 |
| asac | fta: i think that directlry might be created during build time | 21:30 |
| fta | hm, no | 21:31 |
| fta | Checking in browser/base/content/overrides/app-license.html; | 21:31 |
| fta | app-license.html | 21:31 |
| fta | initial revision: 1.1 | 21:31 |
| fta | done | 21:31 |
| fta | that's from the bug | 21:31 |
| fta | oh lol | 21:31 |
| fta | browser/base/ vs toolkit | 21:32 |
| fta | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs-mirror.mozilla.org:/cvsroot -q -z 3 co -P -A -l mozilla/browser/base/content/overrides/ | 21:33 |
| fta | U mozilla/browser/base/content/overrides/app-license.html | 21:33 |
| asac | good | 21:33 |
| asac | fta: i think the bustage fix should fix it | 21:34 |
| fta | I don't have that file in my tarball, it could be mozclient... | 21:35 |
| asac | fta: most likely time screw again? | 21:35 |
| asac | or did you try to run mozclient on latest head? | 21:35 |
| fta | latest head | 21:36 |
| ArneGoetje | asac: yeah.. nothing I can do here... DejaVu Sans Condensed also doesn't help much here... | 21:36 |
| fta | but I use dates anyway | 21:36 |
| asac | fta: that could be it i guess | 21:37 |
| fta | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs-mirror.mozilla.org:/cvsroot -q -z 3 co -P -A -D '2008/04/10 12:06 PST' -l mozilla/browser/base/content/overrides/ | 21:37 |
| fta | U mozilla/browser/base/content/overrides/app-license.html | 21:37 |
| fta | seems to work | 21:37 |
| * ArneGoetje -> bed | 21:37 | |
| fta | and in mozclient, i ask for mozilla/browser | 21:38 |
| asac | fta: I noticed a while ago that mozclient passes the right date to the client.mk checkout, but then just used the changelog date format for the MOZ_CO_DATE thing? | 21:38 |
| asac | or is that fixed? | 21:38 |
| fta | really ? | 21:39 |
| fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6713/ | 21:39 |
| asac | let me check something :) | 21:40 |
| asac | fta: here is what i see | 21:41 |
| asac | -D "$(shell echo $(DEBIAN_DATE) | $(DATE_FILTER))" | 21:41 |
| asac | but in other place we have: | 21:41 |
| asac | -D "$(DEBIAN_DATE)" | 21:41 |
| asac | we use the latter for | 21:41 |
| asac | ifneq (,$(DEBIAN_DATE)) | 21:41 |
| asac | so probably whenever you specify a date explicitly | 21:41 |
| asac | and thats what i saw: -D "20080101t1000" | 21:41 |
| fta | hm | 21:42 |
| asac | that was two weeks ago ... i planned to fix this, but then dropped the ball | 21:42 |
| asac | fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6715/ | 21:43 |
| asac | makes sense? | 21:44 |
| fta | hm, it depends on the project. nss/nspr are direct co, ff/xul are using client.mk | 21:45 |
| asac | ack | 21:47 |
| fta | damn, how I could have let that pass through... | 21:47 |
| asac | no problem ... we can fix that for hardy | 21:48 |
| asac | but lets check if there are other places like this | 21:49 |
| asac | i don't see any | 21:49 |
| asac | i think with that fix maybe combined branch tags + dates might even work | 21:50 |
| asac | which would be a good thing to track branches i guess | 21:50 |
| asac | fta: let me know when i can upload 0.06.1 or 6a or something ;) | 21:51 |
| asac | or if you want me to prepare this | 21:53 |
| fta | couldn't it be 0.07 ? | 21:53 |
| fta | i'd like to keep the X.YY format | 21:54 |
| asac | fta: whatever you want. 0.06a would just better show that this is a pure glitch release | 21:54 |
| asac | but since we need a debdiff anyway for approval that should be ok | 21:54 |
| fta | your diff seems ok but it doesn't solve my base/content/overrides/ mystery | 21:55 |
| fta | do we have other bugs for m-devscripts ? | 22:02 |
| asac | fta: thats the only one i am aware of ... i doubt that there is another bug that qualifies for a freeze breach | 22:03 |
| fta | I only see bug 210314 but it's a whish bug so it could wait | 22:03 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 210314 in mozilla-devscripts "please add midbrowser and xulmidbrowser targets" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210314 | 22:04 |
| Volans | bene! | 22:04 |
| asac | mozilla bug 428382 | 22:07 |
| ubotu | Mozilla bug 428382 in Download Manager "Choosing an helper application involve using a file pick in /usr/bin" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=428382 | 22:07 |
| asac | fta: yes that should be done in intrepid | 22:07 |
| fta | so the next mozilla-devscripts will depend on bzr, cvs, git, hg and svn | 22:09 |
| fta | hmm | 22:09 |
| Volans | asac: bug #215375 and push of the .ubuntu branch done :) | 22:13 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 215375 in ubuntu-it-menu "Licensing issues in ubuntu-it-menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215375 | 22:13 |
| fta | asac, do you need a bug to push that? | 22:13 |
| asac | fta: yes. we need a bug, there we need a debdiff and need to close the bug in changelog | 22:14 |
| asac | at best keep the changelog verbose as well (on stable release quality leve) | 22:15 |
| fta | bug 215382 | 22:17 |
| fta | bug 215382 | 22:19 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 215382 in mozilla-devscripts "Please sponsor mozilla-devscripts 0.07" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215382 | 22:19 |
| asac | fta: a please sponsor bug is not really a bug of the bug itself ;) | 22:20 |
| fta | well, it was that or another line with not much to say | 22:20 |
| asac | ill change the title | 22:20 |
| fta | "Fix checkout by dates" ? | 22:21 |
| asac | no wait a second :) | 22:21 |
| fta | ok, thx | 22:27 |
| asac | fta: did you verify that the patch fixes the bug? | 22:33 |
| fta | sure | 22:33 |
| asac | good | 22:34 |
| asac | fta: upload has happened | 22:50 |
| fta | wonderful | 22:50 |
| asac | yay gconf patch applied :) | 22:59 |
| asac | lets hope it doesn't pull in all kind of dependencies :( | 22:59 |
| fta | gconf patch ? | 23:01 |
| asac | let me find the bug | 23:01 |
| fta | Bug 215403 | 23:01 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 215403 in firefox-3.0 "firefox download dialog state corrupted after running out of disk space" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215403 | 23:01 |
| fta | Bug 215399 | 23:02 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 215399 in firefox-3.0 "firefox beta 3 does not always display images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215399 | 23:02 |
| fta | some people are still getting black rectangles | 23:02 |
| asac | fta: bug 23369 | 23:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 23369 in firefox "firefox(-gnome-support) should get proxy from gconf" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23369 | 23:04 |
| asac | fta: the user experience is awesome. its bi-directional. you can map settings from gconf to firefox. if you edit them in firefox they will change in gcnof and vice-versa :) | 23:05 |
| asac | the patch maps the setting for gconf for now | 23:05 |
| fta | the patch is huge | 23:06 |
| asac | yeah. and we need to rip parts of it to build from somewhere else because that directory will be build at a time where there are no base libs for "plain components" availabel yet .. | 23:06 |
| asac | once that is done we can give it back to upstream bug from where we took the start :) | 23:07 |
| Volans | asac: I have recommitted due to a mistake in the debian/changelog file, maybe have you see the bug | 23:10 |
| asac | Volans: if it wasn't merged to ubuntu-dev its ok | 23:11 |
| asac | otherwise please stay on top of ubuntu-dev always | 23:11 |
| asac | uncommitting on release branches is just ugly ;) | 23:11 |
| asac | and we try to not do that more or less successful nowadays ;) | 23:11 |
| asac | Volans: plesae branch the ~ubuntu-dev branch and fix on top of that | 23:13 |
| asac | sorry for this pickiness, but it makes sense :) | 23:14 |
| asac | Volans: ok. what you should do is: branch ~ubuntu-dev. then bzr merge https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~volans/firefox-extensions/ubuntu-it-menu.upstream | 23:15 |
| fta | asac, I don't see this gconf patch in 3.0, it seems late | 23:15 |
| asac | it won't be enabled by default. so i think its ok | 23:16 |
| Volans | asac: after the merge with .upstream I have also to merge with the .ubuntu? (for the changes in the debian/* files) | 23:20 |
| asac | Volans: you should have droppped you branch and started on top of the ~ubuntu-dev | 23:22 |
| asac | thats the easiest way | 23:22 |
| asac | you branch the ubuntu-dev .ubuntu branch ... and merge the .upstream into that. | 23:23 |
| asac | then push to your branch | 23:23 |
| asac | (maybe use a different name) | 23:23 |
| Volans | asac: done: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~volans/firefox-extensions/ubuntu-it-menu.LP215375 | 23:39 |
| asac | thanks will upload it tomorrow morning | 23:40 |
| Volans | asac: ok, thank you very much (if you prefer I can tell DktrKranz to do this) | 23:44 |
| asac | Volans: hmm . you should have added a new changelog entry with UNRELEASED during the merge and document in there as well | 23:53 |
| asac | anyway ... will take a look tomorrow. | 23:53 |
| Volans | asac: if you want I can change this now, as you prefer | 23:57 |
| asac | just add changelog entry for the upcoming release on top. that should be fine. document the fix in there. | 23:58 |
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