[02:53] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[02:53] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[02:53] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[02:53] <mneptok> !staff 21:52 < fiN> DCC SEND asdadasdadasdasdasdasd
[02:53] <mneptok> bah
[02:53] <nalioth> klined
[02:53] <mneptok> lurvely
[02:53] <mneptok> thankee
[05:58] <ubotu> DGFT called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[05:58] <ubotu> BLJUTRJCGN called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[05:58] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[05:58] <Amaranth> !staff
[05:58] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[06:21] <Netham45> I think ubotu is getting packeted.
[06:25] <mneptok> i think ubotu is getting deprecated.
[06:26] <Netham45> I think ubotu is getting pwnt.
[06:26] <jussio1> Netham45: what makes you say that?
[06:26] <Netham45> jussio1, he's disconnected like 4 times right after reconnecting.
[06:27] <Netham45> with the quit message, Excess Flood
[06:27] <Netham45> hmm, /s/packeted/flooded.
[06:27] <Netham45> might make more sense, heh.
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> doh
[09:26] <jpatrick> Saint`Diamond [i=fyre@dfspflxa-as-1-209-208-77-3.dyn.atlantic.net] has quit ["FUCK OFF"]
[09:26] <jpatrick> ....
[09:26] <jpatrick> (in #ubuntu)
[13:24] <Piero_Scarufii> PriceChild
[13:24] <Piero_Scarufii> i was never told how long the ban is set for in #ubuntu
[13:24] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: remember why you were banned?
[13:25] <Piero_Scarufii> offtopic
[13:25] <Piero_Scarufii> i was warned 2x
[13:25] <Piero_Scarufii> and i was stupid enough to continue but i didnt mean to get banned
[13:26] <Piero_Scarufii> i just want to be unbanned so i can use ubuntu again
[13:46] <Pici> !test
[13:46] <ubotu> Failed.
[13:47] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: hey I'm back sorry.
[13:48] <PriceChild> !guidelines | Piero_Scarufii 
[13:48] <ubotu> Piero_Scarufii: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[13:49] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: please read it then tell me when done.
[13:50] <Piero_Scarufii> done!
[13:51] <PriceChild> That was very quick.
[13:51] <Piero_Scarufii> i want my privilege back please :(
[13:51]  * Hobbsee watches PriceChild hand out The Test.
[13:56] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: Please don't call people noobs. Don't use the bot in #ubuntu if you don't know what you're doing, /msg ubotu instead. Use your common sense. #ubuntu is english speaking, a list of other languages channels can be provided if you ask politely.
[14:18] <Piero_Scarufii> PriceChild?
[14:18] <Piero_Scarufii> so how long is the ban for?
[14:18] <Piero_Scarufii> thats all i wanted to know
[14:18] <PriceChild> you've been unbanned, play nice
[14:18] <Piero_Scarufii> ty :)
[14:18] <Piero_Scarufii> i will part now then thanks again
[14:29] <Piero_Scarufii> sorry i have one more question PriceChild
[14:29] <Pici> He may not be around, is there anything I can help you with?
[14:30] <Piero_Scarufii> the residual ban that i only got via the ban #ubuntu namely the ban in #ubuntu-nl hasnt been lifted yet and now that the ban i have in #ubuntu is lifted the sole cause for the residual ban in #ubuntu-nl still remains so if a ubuntu op would be so kind to ask Seveas to lift the residual ban also please
[14:34] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: leave him a message in a query
[14:34] <Piero_Scarufii> ok
[14:37] <Piero_Scarufii> Ok thanks i left him a query i hope he will be reasonable but i have my doubts well thanks again for the help
[14:38] <LjL> he has his doubts, how come :)
[15:00] <Pici> aschmack: Please fix your ident and realname to be more... family friendly  before joining #ubuntu. 
[15:02] <aschmack> ah.
[15:02] <aschmack> i was wondering why i couldnt join
[16:12] <Pici> sigh
[16:15] <ubotu> DJones called the ops in #ubuntu (balls)
[16:17] <LjL> [17:16:19] --> KiSZnonack has joined this channel (i=tetois@gay.cat.gay.cat.gay.cat.gay.cat.gay.cat).
[16:17] <LjL> [17:17:09] --> poopshoote has joined this channel (i=beef@i.pay.for.my.dialup.with.food-stamps.org).
[16:17] <LjL> setting +r after these two and the other imbeciles
[16:17] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[16:17] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[16:17] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[16:17] <LjL> ... ok, should have set +R too.
[16:20] <Mez> its gone quiet all ov a sudden there :D
[16:20] <Pici> We should do that more often :p
[16:20] <Mez> how did it get made so quiet ?
[16:20] <Pici> +rR
[16:21] <Mez> that happens all the time though
[16:21] <Mez> ubotu, set mode +m on #ubuntu :P
[16:21] <LjL> in -unregged,
[16:21] <LjL> [17:21:06] --> odin_anala_la has joined this channel (i=tetois@gay.cat.gay.cat.gay.cat.gay.cat.gay.cat).
[16:21] <LjL> [17:21:10] <-- odin_anala_la has left this channel.
[16:21] <LjL> [17:21:12] --> odin_anala_la has joined this channel (i=tetois@gay.cat.gay.cat.gay.cat.gay.cat.gay.cat).
[16:21] <Mez> -ubotu- Access denied
[16:21] <LjL> i can't believe this person is genuine, with all the nicks he's changing
[16:21] <Mez> gay cat again ?
[16:21] <LjL> i'm banning
[16:21] <Mez> * odin_anala_la :There was no such nickname
[16:21] <Mez> * odin_anala_la :End of WHOWAS
[16:26] <Mez> .cat is a TLD o_O
[16:26] <LjL> well
[16:26] <LjL> he 1) joined right during an attack, just when another person (an attacker) with a very weird hostname joined
[16:26] <LjL> 2) changed three nicknames in two days
[16:26] <LjL> 3) is banned
[16:27] <Mez> 69.42.219.138
[16:27] <Mez> = the IP
[16:27] <Mez> http://www.robtex.com/dns/gay.cat.gay.cat.gay.cat.gay.cat.gay.cat.html
[16:27] <Mez> however, tis freedns
[16:27] <LjL> [17:25:10] --> anal_curtain has joined this channel (i=tetois@noo.bz). <- being abusive...
[16:28] <Pici> *!?=tetois@*
[16:29] <LjL> right
[16:31] <Pici> bleh
[16:31] <Mez> why do we need 4 bans for one person?
[16:31] <LjL> because they're evading?
[16:31] <Pici> staff then?
[16:31] <Mez> *!?=tetois@* will get him for now
[16:31] <LjL> no
[16:31] <LjL> he just joined with another ident
[16:31] <Mez> oh, never mind
[16:31] <Mez> yeah, sorry, didnt see that
[16:31] <LjL> before you removed the other bans
[16:32] <Pici> seveas isnt even in here?
[16:32] <Pici> or is my tab-complete broken?
[16:32] <Mez> no, he's not in here
[16:33] <LjL> ok we have no way to stop this idiot
[16:34] <LjL> banning you-know-what
[16:34] <LjL> which is a bit generic, but for now
[16:34] <Pici> Netham45: Can we help you?
[16:35] <Mez> where is he now ?
[16:37] <Mez> !coc > Seveas
[16:38] <LjL> (check bt)
[16:53] <LjL> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62734/
[16:55] <Mez> [17:49:52] <FloodBot4> Piero_Scarufii: what the hell are you doing??
[16:55] <Mez> oh, you as Floodbot4
[16:55] <LjL> yes, before that, he said a lot of messages (that i couldn't see) causing the bot to reply "either say blah" a number of times
[16:56] <Mez> ah, fair enough
[16:56] <Seeker`> why are so many people wrong on the internet
[16:57] <LjL> (#freenode) [17:57:26] <LjL> Piero_Scarufii: you won't be unbanned from #ubuntu even after fixing your router, because your attitude in this situation has been unacceptable. please type /msg ubotu etiquette, make sure you understand the whole of it, and come back tomorrow in #ubuntu-ops.
[16:57] <Seeker`> fair enough
[16:58] <LjL> [17:58:07] <Piero_Scarufii> LjL unban me at once
[16:59] <Seeker`> i'm just reading in #freenode 
[16:59]  * Seeker` facedesks
[16:59] <LjL> dfeuer: ah, it's that you're on a java client
[16:59] <dfeuer> Oh, is that not cool?
[17:00] <dfeuer> I would think identifying to nickserv would be enough :-/
[17:00] <Mez> dfeuer, one sec
[17:01] <Mez> * Bans matching dfeuer!n=DavidF2@wikimedia/Dfeuer (Java User)
[17:01] <Mez> * Java?User
[17:01] <Mez> it's the real name that's doing it, lemme add an exception
[17:01] <LjL> [18:00:46] <Piero_Scarufii> his methods to get people to fix exploited routers is to rude for words
[17:01] <LjL> [18:00:55] <Piero_Scarufii> unban me at once
[17:01] <LjL> [18:00:55] [Notify] livingdaylight is online (ljlhead).
[17:01] <LjL> [18:01:00] <Piero_Scarufii> LjL
[17:01] <LjL> don't unban 
[17:02] <Mez> dfeuer, can you try joining #ubuntu now ?
[17:02] <dfeuer> Thanks, Mez.
[17:02] <dfeuer> That worked.
[17:02] <dfeuer> Whats it have against my real name?
[17:03] <Mez> dfeuer, yeah, I added an exception for your hostmask, as you seem an actual person - just dont make me regret it
[17:03] <Mez> dfeuer, it's showing your "real name" (GECOS field to be technical) as "Java User"
[17:03] <Mez> which we've had some issues with
[17:03] <dfeuer> I shan't.  If you want verification I'm real, just see how long I've been registered ;-)
[17:04] <spb> i wrote a bot two years ago too
[17:04] <Mez> dfeuer, the fact you have a wikimedia cloak ;)
[17:04] <Mez> was actually the reason why I had no doubts :D
[17:04] <Mez> enjoy dfeuer, sorry for the hassle.
[17:04] <dfeuer> No problem.
[17:04] <dfeuer> Thanks.
[17:07] <Piero_Scarufii> LjL banned me after purposely exploiting my router in  #ubuntu-read-topic i saved the logs i didnt know what the heck was going on and confused and now i am banned from #ubuntu again while i was exploited
[17:07] <Piero_Scarufii> and i am not tech savvy so i get banned for not being knowledgeable
[17:07] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, please calm down one moment.
[17:08] <Mez> just sit back, and listen to what I have to say - ok ?
 Piero_Scarufii: you won't be unbanned from #ubuntu even after fixing your router, because your attitude in this situation has been unacceptable. please type /msg ubotu etiquette, make sure you understand the whole of it, and come back tomorrow in #ubuntu-ops.
[17:08] <Piero_Scarufii> and then he said that in #freenode when i attempted to report him for it
[17:08] <Pici> Piero_Scarufii: You were banned originally from #ubuntu (along with others) because you were exploited by a malicious user.  
[17:09] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, I know. but, let us talk for a moment
[17:09] <Piero_Scarufii> my attitude wasnt disproportional i thought i was being hacked i didnt know he is a ubuntu staffer
[17:09] <Piero_Scarufii> it was a channel filled with bots
[17:09] <Pici> Piero_Scarufii: Did you read the topic in that channel?
[17:09] <Piero_Scarufii> ok i am listening
[17:10] <Piero_Scarufii> i didnt have a chance the bots were spamming
[17:10] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, the bots were giving you instructions in reply to you saying something other than what they were expecting
[17:10] <Piero_Scarufii> how should i know that
[17:11] <Piero_Scarufii> i am not used to dealing with bots
[17:11] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, because of what they were saying, and because of what the topic of the channel says and what chanserv messages you when you join
[17:11] <Piero_Scarufii> and i didnt trust the bots
[17:11] <Piero_Scarufii> i thought it was a hackers channel
[17:11] <Mez> * Now talking on #ubuntu-read-topic
[17:11] <Mez> * Topic for #ubuntu-read-topic is:  Your router is buggy 1) Please follow these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to FIX it, 2) and then type the two words « test me » in this channel,  3) If the automatic test FAILS, then type « /join #ubuntu-ops » and ask to be tested there by the operators
[17:11] <Mez> * Topic for #ubuntu-read-topic set by ompaul at Tue Mar 11 22:59:58 2008
[17:11] <Piero_Scarufii> its all too late now he banned me 
[17:12] <Piero_Scarufii> and wont let me back in even when i fix it
[17:12] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, maybe not today, but, he did say to fix yourself and come back tomorrow, and talk to us. LjL is a reasonable person, and your attitude, when he was trying to be helpful, wasn't very good. 
[17:13] <Piero_Scarufii> i thought he was a hacker
[17:13] <Mez> I understand that you may have been dubious regarding the channel, but, he did say, and you could have always joined here to confirm
[17:13] <Piero_Scarufii> and he disconnected me on purpose in that channel
[17:13] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, you were asking to be unbanned.
[17:14] <Piero_Scarufii> i didnt know the channels were affiliated i found out in #freenode
[17:14] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, the information was available to you in the topic of the channel.
[17:14] <Pici> How would you have even gotten into the channel had we not forwarded you there?
[17:14] <Piero_Scarufii> anybody can make a channel with ubuntu in it
[17:14] <Piero_Scarufii> on freenode
[17:14] <Mez> If you didnt read that, that is our problem.
[17:14] <Piero_Scarufii> the bots were spamming
[17:14] <Pici> *not our problem
[17:14] <Piero_Scarufii> i am just a confused user
[17:14] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, however, the Ubuntu Team have the power to request the removal of any #
[17:15] <Piero_Scarufii> and i get punished for it
[17:15] <Mez> #ubuntu-* channel
[17:15] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, you were punished for your inability to listen. 
[17:15] <Piero_Scarufii> i freaked
[17:15] <Piero_Scarufii> i thought i was under attack
[17:15] <Piero_Scarufii> so yes of course i couldnt listen i wasnt calm
[17:16] <Mez> you were flooding the bots, who were giving you instructions. 
[17:17] <Mez> [17:50:51] <FloodBot1> Piero_Scarufii: Either say « test me » after following the instructions, or consult the operators if unclear (did you read the instructions carefully?)
[17:17] <Mez> LjL stepped in to try and help, and you wouldn't listen.
[17:17] <Mez> plus, there's also the fact that you are still an exploitable user
[17:18] <Piero_Scarufii> i saw a talking bot
[17:18] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, you will not be unbanned from #ubuntu tomorrow
[17:18] <Piero_Scarufii> saying it was human
[17:18] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, you will not be unbanned from #ubuntu today *
[17:18] <Piero_Scarufii> i thought it was some sham
[17:18] <Piero_Scarufii> what does that mean Mez?
[17:18] <Mez> however, if you follow the instructions to fix your exploitable router, then you MAY be allowed back in there in the future.
[17:18] <Piero_Scarufii> so i will be banned for a long time because of this?
[17:19] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, I don't have the power to overturn the ban. But, now you understand what happened, if you go fix your router, and come back tomorrow, apologise, and have a chat with LjL, without being rude, he should be kind enough to let you back in
[17:19] <Piero_Scarufii> because you guys are incapable of creating a method of helping users without confusing them i thought ubuntu was for keeping things simple
[17:19] <Piero_Scarufii> no he wont let me back in
[17:19] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, everyone else has no problem with reading the instructions
[17:19] <Pici> Piero_Scarufii: How do you suggest we make it simpler? 
[17:20] <Piero_Scarufii> and he did purposely disconnect me when i doubted him
[17:20] <Piero_Scarufii> that shouldnt be allowed on freenode
[17:20] <Piero_Scarufii> and he should apologize to me
 Piero_Scarufii: you won't be unbanned from #ubuntu even after fixing your router, because your attitude in this situation has been unacceptable. please type /msg ubotu etiquette, make sure you understand the whole of it, and come back tomorrow in #ubuntu-ops.
[17:20] <Piero_Scarufii> i will report it to the freenode staffers
[17:20] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, feel free - the email address is staff@freenode.net
[17:20] <Piero_Scarufii> i saved the logs as evidence
[17:20] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, we also have logs, which *I* have already forwarded to freenode staffers
[17:20] <Pici> You already have.  They understand and have sactioned the actions that we do in #ubuntu-read-topic
[17:21] <Piero_Scarufii> i will go to higest freenode staff and i will do it in my own unique way he is rude and banned me and discourages me from fixing my exploit
[17:21] <Piero_Scarufii> good
[17:21] <Piero_Scarufii> very good
[17:21] <Piero_Scarufii> he shouldnt be allowed to exploit and disconnect me
[17:21] <Piero_Scarufii> not even to show me i am vulnerable
[17:22] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, one moment, I'm trying to see if I can contact the person whos in charge of freenode for you
[17:22] <christel> hi :)
[17:22] <Piero_Scarufii> ikke sant prov igjen D:
[17:23] <christel> hva skal man prove igjen? 
[17:23] <Piero_Scarufii> :/ thats all the Norsk i know
[17:23] <christel> well, 'not true, try again' is a good start i suspect
[17:23] <Piero_Scarufii> this is a terrible mix up
[17:23] <christel> was there anything i could help with? 
[17:24] <Piero_Scarufii> i dunno but someone exploited my vulnerable router in #ubuntu-read-topic to show me i was vulnerable i didnt know it was a ubuntu affiliated channel
[17:24] <Piero_Scarufii> its just a mix up if i fix my issue i should be let back in
[17:24] <christel> generally you will find that all #ubuntu-* channels are affiliated with the ubuntu project :)
[17:24] <Piero_Scarufii> i do apologize for being confused by ubuntu operators
[17:24] <Piero_Scarufii> they are too good at it
[17:25] <Piero_Scarufii> esp. LjL who adressed me under a bot nick
[17:26] <Pici> He was in the process of maintaining the bots and it was the quickest way for him to get into the channel.
[17:27] <christel> oh, they are very good at being confusing -- i have long since given up on trying to work them out, they generally mean well though :)
[17:27]  * Mez -> smoke
[17:27] <Piero_Scarufii> yeah but should i be discouraged to not fix my issue now because i cant get in #ubuntu in the near future
[17:28] <Piero_Scarufii> can't win with hierarchies its the same allover the place the outsiders and third parties can never be right well i know i am right
[17:28] <christel> i am not entirely sure what happened as i wasnt there
[17:29] <Piero_Scarufii> i was disconnected by an exploit exploited by LjL a DCC exploit to show me i was vulnerable and that shouldnt be allowed on freenode not even by example
[17:29] <Piero_Scarufii> he should have used words and not an exploit
[17:29] <Piero_Scarufii> i saved the log
[17:30] <Piero_Scarufii> as soon as i said i was going to report him i was booted out of the channel
[17:30] <Piero_Scarufii> and he came with his announcement that i wouldnt get back in #ubuntu not even after i fixed the problem
[17:30] <christel> i actually very much agree with that (in regards to the exploit)
[17:30] <Piero_Scarufii> thank you
[17:31] <christel> and i'm a bit surprised to hear that he'd use one as i am sure he is aware it's a offense which generally goes hand in hand with a network ban :o
[17:32] <christel> and i certainly can understand if said action made you respond with somewhat of an attitude
[17:32] <Piero_Scarufii> 00[17:51] <Piero_Scarufii> my connection is fine
[17:32] <Piero_Scarufii> [17:51] <@FloodBot1> Piero_Scarufii: Either say « test me » after following the instructions, or consult the operators if unclear (did you read the instructions carefully?)
[17:32] <Piero_Scarufii> [17:51] <@FloodBot4> then why will the following disconnect you?
[17:32] <Piero_Scarufii> [17:51] <Piero_Scarufii> some hackers on here
[17:32] <Piero_Scarufii> Session Close: Thu Apr 10 17:51:42 2008
[17:32] <Piero_Scarufii> see i have proof
[17:32] <Mez> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62734/
[17:33] <Piero_Scarufii> that made me angry
[17:33] <Piero_Scarufii> sorry Mez
[17:33] <Piero_Scarufii> i am still a bit sad and angry i get treated this way
[17:33] <tomaw> Piero_Scarufii: let us quickly read over that log :)
[17:34] <Piero_Scarufii> sure i will post it on pastebin
[17:34] <tomaw> ta, I'll quickly walk home while you do :)
[17:34] <Piero_Scarufii> see
[17:34] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, no, thats the log we have.
[17:34] <Piero_Scarufii> he exploited me
[17:35] <Pici> tomaw, christel: LjL prefixed his pasting of that pastebin link with this: 11:56:28 <LjL> yes, before that, he said a lot of messages (that i couldn't see) causing the bot to reply "either say blah" a number of times
[17:35] <Piero_Scarufii> and then i get banned for an x amount of time
[17:35] <Piero_Scarufii> thats not fair
[17:35] <christel> backtrack please, did Piero_Scarufii get banforwarded to that channel?
[17:35] <Pici> christel: Yes.
[17:35] <christel> ok
[17:35] <Pici> christel: We had an attack in #ubuntu and he and a number of users were forwarded there.
[17:36] <Piero_Scarufii> i thought it was a hackers channel
[17:36] <Piero_Scarufii> i didnt saw the forwarding
[17:36] <christel> Piero_Scarufii: looking at that log it seems pretty clear that you have no idea why you ended up in said channel, and didn't really get a clear explanation when asking
[17:36] <Piero_Scarufii> later i found out in #freenode
[17:36] <christel> and i can understand that this will have been both confusing and frustrating, i would have felt the same
[17:36] <Piero_Scarufii> it belonged to the ubuntu community
[17:37] <christel> i don't think it was the ubuntu ops teams intention to annoy you though, and while i do believe they could have taken more care to try explain the situation, i also believee its one of those scenarios they walk through so many times a day that it probably is no longer 2nd nature to even think to do so
[17:38] <christel> they wished to alert you to a router exploit your end after a dcc exploit attack on the main channel, you were in no way singled out, and they tried to help, educate and empower you
[17:38] <Piero_Scarufii> yeah by sending me a dcc exploit
[17:38] <Piero_Scarufii> thats not allowed on freenode
[17:38] <Piero_Scarufii> he made a mistake and on top of it punished me
[17:38] <Pici> Piero_Scarufii: Unfortunately, thats the only way we know of to test if the fix has been applied.  
[17:39] <tomaw> I don't see him requesting to be tested
[17:39] <tomaw> Does it happen without requests too?
[17:39] <Piero_Scarufii> in my case it did
[17:39] <Pici> tomaw: I dont believe so, but LjL is the one to ask, he designed the bots.
[17:39] <tomaw> It could be worth reviewing the code to ensure that that can't happen in future.
[17:39] <Pici> Indeed.
[17:39] <christel> Piero_Scarufii: i agree there, i am quite surprised and a bit shocked at that happening, and i will speak with LjL about that
[17:39] <tomaw> It's one thing to have it test on request but quite another to have it happen at random
[17:40] <Mez> tomaw, Floodbot4 in that log is LjL 
[17:40] <Piero_Scarufii> oh wow he did it twice even
[17:40] <tomaw> Mez: it's not clear from that paste which nick sent the test
[17:41] <Piero_Scarufii> if he apologizes i will too but i am not the only one to blame there
[17:42] <Mez> tomaw, the log is from a client, so I'd presume it was from LjL 
[17:42] <christel> Piero_Scarufii: from what i can see it looks like it may have been somewhat of a misunderstanding, and i certainly dont believe you had any ill-intent at any point
[17:43] <christel> however, LjL doesnt appear to be around to enlighten us :)
[17:43] <Mez> christel, indeed, LjL had to leave
[17:44] <Piero_Scarufii> how convenient for him
 dfeuer: actually, i have to go, so join #ubuntu-ops and ask there
[17:44] <Mez> (when dealing with another user
[17:44] <Piero_Scarufii> and so i will have to remain banned from #ubuntu for a long time for a misunderstanding
[17:44] <Myrtti> unfortunately we also have life outside IRC
[17:45] <Myrtti> we haven't been pardoned from that burden
[17:45] <Myrtti> a ha.
[17:45]  * PriceChild looks in
[17:45] <christel> hi priceywisey
[17:45] <Myrtti> ompauls not here, bugger
[17:45] <PriceChild> Hey christelleywistelleyy
[17:46] <Seeker`> I think it can be very difficult to distinguish between people who dont know what is going on and people who like to pretend they dont know what is going on
[17:47] <Myrtti> I don't know what you are talking about ^____^
[17:47]  * PriceChild wishes he had remembered to op in the channel
[17:47] <Myrtti> lol
[17:47] <tonyyarusso> Seeker`: very true.
[17:47] <Myrtti> hilarious
[17:47] <Piero_Scarufii> so can i be unbanned from #ubuntu please
[17:47] <Piero_Scarufii> the log proves my case
[17:47] <Piero_Scarufii> i hope
[17:47] <tonyyarusso> Piero_Scarufii: Did you fix your client yet?
[17:48] <Piero_Scarufii> i dunno i am on the 8001 port but i am banned in the test channel so i cant test
[17:48] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: if you've fixed things so you can't be exploited anymore, you can say testme in -read-topic, a bot will try, if it fails it will remove the ban.
[17:48] <tonyyarusso> Piero_Scarufii: I can test you here, but you have to understand that doing so involves using the exploit to prove that you are no longer vulnerable.
[17:48] <Piero_Scarufii> i am banned there
[17:48] <Piero_Scarufii> by LJL
[17:48] <Mez> PriceChild, also banned form -read-topic
[17:49] <Mez> lemme fix that
[17:49] <PriceChild> ah
[17:49] <tonyyarusso> Piero_Scarufii: Also, please keep your statements on one line, rather than using the enter key as punctuation.
[17:49] <Piero_Scarufii> ok
[17:49] <Piero_Scarufii> test me
[17:50] <Piero_Scarufii> hmz
[17:50]  * Floodbot5 is only temp on this nick so that he can unban you when he finds the password
[17:50] <Piero_Scarufii> still banned there
[17:50] <PriceChild> Floodbot5: why are you using that nick?
[17:50] <Floodbot5> PriceChild, so I can unban Piero_Scarufii in -r-t
[17:50] <Floodbot5> (as noone seems to have access
[17:50] <PriceChild> Floodbot5: why don't you just ask someone who is active to do it?
[17:50] <tonyyarusso> Nope.
[17:51] <PriceChild> Floodbot5: I am currently +o in there..?
[17:51] <Floodbot5> PriceChild, I thought only nalioth had access
[17:51] <tonyyarusso> Piero_Scarufii: Looks like you are still vulnerable.  Please read the instructions again, more carefully.
[17:51] <PriceChild> Mez: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-read-topic list
[17:51] <christel> Piero_Scarufii: is all sorted and well for now? 
[17:52] <PriceChild> Mez: all ubuntu/members have access, i don't think the floodbot passwords are public knowledge? or did you know them from working on them?
[17:52] <Pici> christel: Sorry for dragging you into this, thanks for the help mediating the situation.
[17:52] <christel> Pici: no worries, always happy to help where we can :)
[17:52] <tonyyarusso> (Do the instructions clearly state to restart your client?  I haven't checked them out lately.)
[17:53] <christel> it's simple maths really
[17:53] <Piero_Scarufii> christel no i am banned in #freenode #ubuntu and the test channel i can test if i am on the right port now
[17:53] <christel> happy users = happy staff = happy christel
[17:53] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso: yes, in bold
[17:53] <Myrtti> /me hugs christel 
[17:53] <Pici> Piero_Scarufii: I believe Mez is unbanning you now.
[17:53] <Piero_Scarufii> LoReZ banned me in #freenode
[17:53]  * christel hugs Myrtti 
[17:53] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: good, good.
[17:53]  * tonyyarusso just waits then
[17:53] <Pici> from #u-r-t at least.
[17:53] <Piero_Scarufii> ok
[17:53] <PriceChild> christel: by that logic, does happy christel infer happy staff so happy users?
[17:53] <christel> PriceChild: happy christel usually means frightened staff :/
[17:54] <christel> i cant work that one out 
[17:54] <PriceChild> "Hmm... something is wrong..."
[17:54] <christel> i'll be all 'BOUNCE BOUNCE BOUNCE' and you're all like 'OK IM GOING ON HOLIDAY GOODBYE' and im sat here going 'whaa? :('
[17:54] <no0tic> christel, could I bother you a second in query?
[17:54] <christel> Piero_Scarufii: your #freenode ban is lifted
[17:54] <Piero_Scarufii> i am not happy yet christel i have too many bans and i was going to ask for a cloak they will decline it when i have this many bans
[17:54] <christel> no0tic: why but of course
[17:55] <mez_> PriceChild: did you unban Piero_Scarufii from -r-t
[17:55] <Piero_Scarufii> ty christel
[17:55] <PriceChild> mez_: now i have.
[17:55] <mez_> PriceChild: thanks, damned net died
[17:55] <christel> Piero_Scarufii: np
[17:55] <tonyyarusso> mez_ works for vbulletin?  Why then is it not yet open-source?
[17:56] <Mez> tonyyarusso, cause i wouldnt get paid if it was
[17:56] <tonyyarusso> bah, support!
[17:57] <Mez> tonyyarusso, :P
[17:58] <Myrtti> NOW I know WHO to attack with vbulletin problems!
[17:58] <Myrtti> HÄHÄ!
[17:58] <Myrtti> <evil laughter />
[17:58] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, you can now join #ubuntu-read-topic, where the bots will automatically test you if you say "test me" - but please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit first
[17:58] <Myrtti> MWAHAHA
[17:58] <Piero_Scarufii> ok
[17:58] <Piero_Scarufii> ty
[17:58] <Mez> Myrtti, support@vbulletin.com - I'm a dev, not support staff :P
[17:59] <Myrtti> Mez: wiggle alllll you want
[17:59] <Pici> Mez: The evil laughter has the Ä's, right?
[17:59] <Piero_Scarufii> the work around doesnt work for me :/
[17:59] <Pici> Piero_Scarufii: What irc client are you using?
[17:59] <Piero_Scarufii> mIRCD
[17:59] <Piero_Scarufii> MiRC
[18:00] <Mez> just as proof it does work
 capiCRimm has requested an exploit test
 Piero_Scarufii has requested an exploit test
 capicrimm has been removed from the exploit quarantine
[18:00] <Pici> Piero_Scarufii: And you are connected to port 8001?
[18:00] <Piero_Scarufii> is set 8001 as default yes
[18:00] <Piero_Scarufii> and reconnected mirc
[18:00] <Piero_Scarufii> it doesnt work for me
[18:01] <Piero_Scarufii> the work around
[18:01] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, /server irc.freenode.net 8001
[18:01] <Mez> try that
[18:01] <Mez> to reconnect to port 8001
[18:01] <no0tic> Mez, afaik floodbot will test users only if they are in its list of vulnerable users
[18:01] <Piero_Scarufii> ok
[18:01] <mez_> no0tic: yes...
[18:01] <PriceChild> Mez: he should change it for all future connections, not just this one time.
[18:02] <Mez> PriceChild, he says he's changed it by default.. but the click to reconnect button in mirc just uses the current settings
[18:02] <Mez> PriceChild, if he hasnt changed by default, he'll just get kicked out next time someone tries it
[18:03] <Piero_Scarufii> i am still banned from #ubuntu :/
[18:03] <Piero_Scarufii> so it failed i think
[18:03] <PriceChild> Mez: the guide tells him to "close and reopen your IRC client" in bold writing.
[18:04] <Mez> PriceChild, ah.
[18:05]  * Mez dissapears 
[18:05] <Piero_Scarufii> bu bye
[18:05] <Mez> am off home, may be able to get on later, but who knows with my home connection
[18:05] <Piero_Scarufii> thanks for help Mez
[18:06] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: please please please check your client settings to ensure it still says 8001.
[18:06] <Piero_Scarufii> PriceChild the ban isnt removed from #ubuntu and i passed test i think since i didnt disconnect
[18:06] <Piero_Scarufii> i did test me in ubuntu-read-topic and i am still banned
[18:06] <Myrtti> that's because now we have to deal with your ban's secondary reason
[18:07] <Piero_Scarufii> piero_scarufii: Try « /join #ubuntu » again (if that fails, see « /topic »). Please ensure that you keep using the correct connection settings.
[18:07] <Myrtti> now the primary reason is gone
[18:07] <Piero_Scarufii> something failed i think
[18:07] <Piero_Scarufii> the autoremoval is broken
[18:07] <PriceChild> Looks like there's another ban on you.
[18:07] <Myrtti> ^
[18:07] <Piero_Scarufii> :/
[18:07] <Piero_Scarufii> why....
[18:07] <PriceChild> I only unbanned you a few hours ago? *checks logs*
[18:08] <Piero_Scarufii> then this happend: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62734/
[18:08] <Piero_Scarufii> and i dont know why the ban wont be lifted even christel agreed with me
[18:08] <Piero_Scarufii> not like i had bad intent
[18:08] <Piero_Scarufii> there
[18:09] <Mez> nah, bit far away for me to get there tonight, maybe some other time
[18:09] <christel> !
[18:09] <Mez> wrong window
[18:09] <christel> haha
[18:09] <Mez> night all
[18:10] <Piero_Scarufii> night
[18:10] <christel> bye byes Mez :)
[18:10] <Piero_Scarufii> see PriceChild i was exploited twice i didnt know what that channel was
[18:10] <Piero_Scarufii> until i went into freenode
[18:10] <Piero_Scarufii> and LjL said he banned me
[18:10] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: you should be able to rejoin #ubuntu
[18:10] <Piero_Scarufii> then i put the pieces together
[18:11] <Piero_Scarufii> ok ty PriceChild
[18:11] <Piero_Scarufii> let me test
[18:11] <Piero_Scarufii> yes thank you
[18:11] <christel> Piero_Scarufii: i dont actually have any say in the operation of project run channels, like #ubuntu etc unless there is a serious breach of network policy involved :)
[18:11] <Piero_Scarufii> sorry for the confusion
[18:11] <Piero_Scarufii> oh ok christel
[18:11] <Piero_Scarufii> i thought sending exploit was just that
[18:12] <Piero_Scarufii> thats why i went to #freenode
[18:13] <christel> yeah, it is, thus my getting involved at all :)
[18:13] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: Every so often, malicious users join #ubuntu, and do that exploit. It disconnects people who are vulnerable, and even flood others off the network if enough people are vulnerable. Ubuntu ops therefore seperate those vulnerable, and try to help you 'fix' your vulnerability.
[18:14] <Piero_Scarufii> PriceChild i understand now i didnt know that channel was part of the ubuntu
[18:14] <Piero_Scarufii> i thought it was hackers
[18:14] <Piero_Scarufii> at first
[18:15] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: This means that as well as being able to stop individual people from being kicked off the network, it can also minimise disruption in #ubuntu for others. We used to do the teaching and testing process manually, but have since got these bots to do it automatically.
[18:15] <Piero_Scarufii> ok i understand
[18:15] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: if you're ever in the same sort of situation again, I think its best not to panic.
[18:15] <Piero_Scarufii> ok thank you
[18:16] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: take a deep breath and look at what is happenning, what they are saying. The bots also had "ubuntu/bot" cloaks (which you can find from /whois floodbot1) which mean they are official ubuntu bots.
[18:16] <Piero_Scarufii> i am a novice user i am new to this irc
[18:16] <tonyyarusso> Which means you should be paying that much more attention to things like channel topics...
[18:16] <PriceChild> I don't expect you to have whois'd them, but its something you know now, sometimes it does hold useful information.
[18:17] <PriceChild> Yup, what is said in the topic, the first message when you join the channel, is also useful.
[19:25] <Mez> did everything get resolved?
[19:25] <Mez> I dont wanna have to /backlog
[19:54] <Piero_Scarufii> hey :(
[19:54] <Piero_Scarufii> can anyone help me please
[19:54] <Piero_Scarufii> i was kicked from #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:54] <Piero_Scarufii> for being offtopic
[19:55] <Piero_Scarufii> nvm
[19:59]  * PriceChild sighs
[20:15] <Piero_Scarufii> PriceChild
[20:15] <PriceChild> Hello there Piero_Scarufii, can I help?
[20:16] <Piero_Scarufii> i just said: Seveas BOERUH (meaning=its a innocent term that means farmer its a chant for PSV Eindhoven football fans to cheer on the team) and i was booted
[20:16] <Piero_Scarufii> from ubuntu-offtopic
[20:16] <Piero_Scarufii> :(
[20:16] <Piero_Scarufii> i thought offtopic was for those kind of jokes
[20:17] <Daviey> Can BOERUH be considered an insult, or rude, in any way?
[20:17] <Piero_Scarufii> only if you dislike football
[20:17] <Piero_Scarufii> not really
[20:18] <Piero_Scarufii> its never meant as an offensive term its used a chant to cheer on the team and psv is playing now
[20:18] <Piero_Scarufii> so i was in a supportive mood
[20:18] <Daviey> So it's the sort of language you would be happy to use around family members?
[20:18] <Piero_Scarufii> yes
[20:18] <Daviey> O_o
[20:18] <Piero_Scarufii> my family members are proud psv fans :)
[20:18] <Myrtti> for me who knows nothing about football...
[20:19] <Myrtti> I don't know what BOERUH means and for that (and the capitalization of it) I'd suspect its something in a foreign language that I don't understand
[20:19] <Piero_Scarufii>  http://www.effaces.com/2008/02/17/psv-eindhoven-supporters-shouting-2/ <-- see thats all it is
[20:20] <Myrtti> and with liaison with the status that I have in Ubuntu IRC community (as does Seveas, and he surpasses me in many ways) the probabilities are that it would be an insult
[20:20] <Piero_Scarufii> its not an insult
[20:20] <Myrtti> and I might treat it as such
[20:21] <Myrtti> Piero_Scarufii: but since I don't know anything about football, how could I know?
[20:21] <Myrtti> that's the point
[20:21] <Myrtti> yes, I could ask
[20:21] <Piero_Scarufii> its not an insult its not
[20:21] <Myrtti> that's why I put "I might"
[20:21] <Piero_Scarufii> i guess i should ask JanC to help now
[20:21] <Myrtti> Piero_Scarufii: I *now* know it's not
[20:21] <Piero_Scarufii> to explain
[20:22] <Piero_Scarufii> somebody familiar with football
[20:22] <Myrtti> but *before* you explained it, I had no way of knowing
[20:22] <Myrtti> see the difference?
[20:22] <Piero_Scarufii> seveas knows its not an insult
[20:22] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[20:22] <Piero_Scarufii> i think he was just annoyed with me perhaps he is easily annoyed i guess
[20:22] <Myrtti> that I couldn't know either
[20:22] <Piero_Scarufii> i dont know him though
[20:24] <Piero_Scarufii> oh noes :(
[20:24] <Piero_Scarufii> my team is losing now
[20:24] <Piero_Scarufii> you guys jinxed me
[20:25] <Piero_Scarufii> i better part this channel now
[20:25] <Piero_Scarufii> thanks anyways 
[20:29] <dromer> Piero_Scarufii: you asked for me?
[20:29] <Piero_Scarufii> dromer please tell them BOERUH isnt an insult
[20:29] <Piero_Scarufii> yes
[20:29] <Piero_Scarufii> please
[20:29] <Piero_Scarufii> they dont understand lol
[20:29] <dromer> eh .. depends on the context I guess ..
[20:30] <dromer> brb
[20:30] <Piero_Scarufii> i said : Seveas BOERUH in #ubuntu-offtopic cuz psv is playing tonight i dont know if he likes football or which team he supports it was a random thing
[20:30] <Piero_Scarufii> and he booted me
[20:30] <Piero_Scarufii> so now i want to explain its not offensive
[20:30] <dromer> hmm, hehehe
[20:31] <Piero_Scarufii> that cant possibly be interpreted as offensive
[20:32] <Piero_Scarufii> but they dont know anything about football
[20:33] <jussio1> Perhaps seveas is not a PSV fan...
[20:33] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[20:35] <Piero_Scarufii> he is dutch and psv is the only team playing internationally it benefits all clubs if psv wins to keep the spots for UEFA tournemants entry for dutch teams
[20:35] <Piero_Scarufii> tournaments*
[20:35] <Myrtti> Piero_Scarufii: how about you discuss this with Seveas?
[20:35] <Piero_Scarufii> haha
[20:35] <Piero_Scarufii> no chance
[20:35] <Piero_Scarufii> he doesnt like me i think
[20:36] <Piero_Scarufii> i tried
[20:36] <Myrtti> well I for one am not willing to step onto someones toes in a subject like this
[20:36] <Piero_Scarufii> i just dont want you to think BOERUH belongs to the insult lexicon
[20:36] <Piero_Scarufii> because it doesnt
[20:36] <Piero_Scarufii> its harmless and innocent
[20:36] <Piero_Scarufii> thats the point i am making here now
[20:36] <Piero_Scarufii> not even the fact that he banned me for whatever personal vendetta
[20:37] <Myrtti> I think the persons who can lift your ban have already understood that
[20:37] <Myrtti> and right now what you are doing is making yourself look like an impatient person
[20:37] <Piero_Scarufii> i am impatient when it comes to defending the honor of my team
[20:38] <Myrtti> oh yay. a football fanatic
[20:38] <Piero_Scarufii> its a dutch tradition/cultural characteristic
[20:38] <Myrtti> woo.
[20:38] <Piero_Scarufii> hehe
[20:38] <Piero_Scarufii> fan yes
[20:38] <Piero_Scarufii> w/o the atic
[20:38] <Piero_Scarufii> and i did it in a offtopic channel
[20:39] <Myrtti> yes, we know that too
[20:39] <Piero_Scarufii> :)
[20:39] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[20:43] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, you
[20:43] <Piero_Scarufii> hi Mez
[20:43] <Mez> ve been causing trouble in many channels today it seems
[20:43] <Piero_Scarufii> no not really
[20:43] <Mez> my suggestion would be to stop, and come back another day
[20:43] <Mez> as our ops cant spend all their time working with just one person
[20:43] <Piero_Scarufii> the seems is what is fuzzy
[20:44] <Piero_Scarufii> i was right on both accounts
[20:44] <Mez> @btlogin
[20:44] <Piero_Scarufii> well
[20:44] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, its not a matter of what's right or wrong
[20:44] <Mez> youve been causing trouble in more than one channel, and it has got to stop
[20:45] <Piero_Scarufii> no i didnt cause problems
[20:45] <Piero_Scarufii> Mez
[20:45] <Piero_Scarufii> no this AD HONIMEM attack wont fly
[20:45] <Piero_Scarufii> i was right 
[20:45] <Piero_Scarufii> if certain ops wouldnt ban people blindly
[20:45] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, so, ban from #ubuntu-nl, #ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic, #ubuntu-read=topic
[20:45] <Piero_Scarufii> i wouldnt have to be here
[20:46] <Piero_Scarufii> thats not all in one day
[20:46] <Myrtti> I still see a pattern
[20:46] <Piero_Scarufii> and its a complicated story of how those channels are involved
[20:46] <Piero_Scarufii> it all originated from ubuntu
[20:46] <Daviey> yeah.. the pattern being #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-nl?
[20:46] <Piero_Scarufii> yes ofcourse
 i guess the dutch never need to explain there actions sadly this is something i learned from studying the history about the things they did on their colonies they never do explain themselves and just buried the past... sorry i am getting emotional again i better leave now before i make matters worse
[20:47] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[20:47] <Mez> attacking a nation isnt good either
[20:47] <Piero_Scarufii> i was banned from a Loco channel just for being banned in the main channel without doing anything in the Loco -channel just because one admin happend to be an admin in the Loco channel also
[20:47] <Myrtti> this whole discussion and participating in it makes me feel filthy
[20:47] <Piero_Scarufii> Mez???
[20:47] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, I may have been helpful earlier, but... I am NOT happy to spend my time working to your every beck and call.
[20:48] <Mez> My suggestion (and please take it as more than a suggestion) is to leave here and come back in a week or so, and then we might be able to discuss unbanning you.
[20:48] <Myrtti> Piero_Scarufii: come   back   tomorrow   or   better   yet,     next   week
[20:48] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: When you've been banned. It isn't a good idea to appear in random other channels, and ping the opper who removed you, with or without random acronyms.
[20:48] <Piero_Scarufii> i was frustrated with Seveas his inability to be fair
[20:48] <Piero_Scarufii> yes
[20:48] <Piero_Scarufii> i was emotional yes
[20:48] <Mez> I don't often make statements like that, as anyone in here will attest.
[20:48] <Daviey> Shouldn't Seveas be processing this?
[20:48] <Piero_Scarufii> it was a emotional response yes for which i instantly apologized
[20:49] <Piero_Scarufii> he isnt responsive to my queries
[20:49] <Myrtti> Daviey: that's why I'm not going to touch the banlist even with a ten feet stick
[20:49] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, please. Stop. Complaints can be taken to the irc council, however, you will not find an answer right here, right now.
[20:50] <Piero_Scarufii> I stopped
[20:50] <Piero_Scarufii> admins can get away with anything even when its not fair i suppose
[20:51] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, we have policies - please take it to the IRC council - ubuntu-irc@lists.ubuntu.com would be the first Point of contact. Please, do so. Before I am forced to remove you from this channel for wasting our time and not listening.
[20:51] <PriceChild> Mez: I don't think that is necessary, and wrong email address.
[20:52] <Piero_Scarufii> and the other channel yeah the one with the DCC exploit i was totally in my right to come here for the blatent abuse i received while i was just confused trying to figure out what happend and i was correct the logs proved my case
[20:52] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: he is probably just afk, be patient and wait to discuss it with him in PM when he returns.
[20:52] <Mez> /cs mute Piero_Scarufii 
[20:53] <Myrtti> Piero_Scarufii: please
[20:53] <Piero_Scarufii> i will leave i wont come back here ok Mez
[20:53] <Piero_Scarufii> dont worry
[20:53] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, you
[20:53] <Mez> re welcome back, but at the moment, you dont seem to be listening
[20:53] <Mez> we cannot do anything regarding this NOW. 
[20:53] <Piero_Scarufii> ok
[20:53] <Mez> we MAY be able to LATER
[20:53] <Piero_Scarufii> fine thanks
[20:53] <Piero_Scarufii> bye
[20:54] <PriceChild> Mez: PM
[20:54]  * Mez steps away from -ops for a few
[20:54] <Myrtti> I would like to have your attention for a few seconds, while I mutely scream and yell and stomp my feet
[20:54] <Myrtti> ...
[20:54] <Myrtti> thank you.
[21:02] <Mez> !coc
[21:02] <Mez> do we have ANY working bot right now?
[21:04] <PriceChild> !test
[21:04] <ubotu> Failed.
[21:05] <Mez> !test
[21:05] <Mez> !botsnack
[21:05] <Mez> !wtf ?
[21:05] <Myrtti> !test
[21:05] <ubotu> Failed.
[21:06] <Myrtti> you're being ignored
[21:06] <Mez> mother...
[21:09] <jdong> what's up with bot reliability recently? :-/
[21:09] <no0tic> Mez, do you think they'll drop the bomb?
[21:09] <jdong> rather, what's not up
[21:09] <Mez> jdong, did you get my email yesteday
[21:10] <jdong> Mez: yes, but no chance for a thoughtful response yet
[21:11] <Mez> lol - basic thoughts - thumbs up or thumbs down (aka am I just going completely mad and making no sense?)
[21:11] <jdong> Mez: rough thumbs-up on #1
[21:12] <sarah_bear_> hey guys how do i fix it?
[21:12] <Mez> not liking #2 ? :P
[21:12] <jdong> Mez: a dedicated communications medium for backports is important but it will be low-traffic
[21:12] <Mez> or you just think it'll be too much work
[21:12] <sarah_bear_> how do i fix the xdcc exploit?
[21:12] <jdong> Mez: number 2 seems a bit fecal ;-)
[21:12] <Mez> jdong, indeed ;)
[21:12] <jdong> Mez: as in really messy for not much return
[21:12] <Mez> sarah_bear_, join #ubuntu-read-topic and read the topic
[21:12] <no0tic> sarah_bear_, read the topic on #ubuntu-read-topic
[21:12] <Mez> jdong, more organised though
[21:13] <sarah_bear_> Mez when i type test me it logs me off
[21:13] <sarah_bear_> how do i patch it?
[21:13] <jdong> Mez: too organized for the level of traffic I anticipate
[21:13] <jdong> Mez: the main problem before was (1) useless bugmail, -backporters shouldn't be getting them (2) more importantly, lack of people with access
[21:13] <jdong> to the admin interface that is
[21:14] <no0tic> sarah_bear_, change your connection port to 8001 and restart your client
[21:15] <jdong> what do you gyus think of this suggestion: Stop suggesting flashing of firmware as a fix for DCC at all
[21:15] <jdong> people think "exploit" and automatically jump to "patch"
[21:15] <jdong> which often times is a wild goose chase in this case
[21:16] <Myrtti> well
[21:17] <Myrtti> the underlying problem *is* a router issue, isn't it
[21:17] <Myrtti> and the 8001 is only a quick fix that still leaves the router vulnerable
[21:17] <Myrtti> I do not know the details
[21:17] <Myrtti> but that's the impression I've got
[21:18] <Mez> !test
[21:18] <ubotu> Failed.
[21:22] <jdong> Myrtti: well the problem is almost NO router has a firmware update that affects this, though many routers of course have available firmware updates from the factory revision
[21:22] <jdong> Myrtti: IMO for this case it leaves the user spending 30 minutes performing what could potentially be a risky hardware procedure, only to find out it didn't do anything
[21:23] <jdong> Myrtti: while you're right the exploit is still working on 6667 after the 8001 fix, it does what we need it to do with 100% success
[21:23] <sarah_bear> test me
[21:23] <jdong> this should all be a non-issue per Hardy's default irc.ubuntu.com port
[21:23] <sarah_bear> test me
[21:23] <sarah_bear> hmm not working?
[21:23] <jdong> sarah_bear: wrong room for that
[21:23] <Mez> sarah_bear, wrong channel
[21:23] <sarah_bear> it said to join ubuntu ops?
[21:23] <sarah_bear> Mez, test me in #ubuntu doesnt work
 sarah_bear has requested an exploit test, but is not known as a victim
[21:23] <sarah_bear> said to join here for help
[21:23] <Mez> one sec
[21:24] <sarah_bear> ok
[21:24] <Mez> FloodBot3> Flagging sarah_bear as an exploit victim
[21:24] <Mez> try now
[21:24] <sarah_bear> ok
[21:25] <sarah_bear> am i okay?
 sarah_bear has been removed from the exploit quarantine
[21:25] <sarah_bear> thanks Mez :P
[21:25] <Mez> * FloodBot1 removes ban on sarah_bear!*@*
[21:30] <Mez> !chanserv.py
[21:30] <ubotu> http://kaarsemaker.net/software/chanserv/
[21:35] <PriceChild> jdong: you're probably right. I think probably its best to keep a little message somewhere saying "sometimes router manufacturers may fix things in updates, contact them to find out, and if they haven't, shout at them" at the bottom?
[21:48] <JanC> weird exploit that only works on port 6667 ?
[21:49] <JanC> or is it the routers that think IRC is only on that port?
[21:49] <jdong> JanC: the latter. Some routers have very silly hardcoded attack signatures like that
[21:52] <JanC> is it the DoS vulnerability with VxWorks-based routers that I find with Google?
[21:54] <jdong> JanC: right, malformed DCC requests, both sent as DCCs and just in any plaintext stream over port 6667
[21:55] <JanC> that one is more than 2 years old, responsible router manufacturers should have fixed this long time ago  :-(
[22:02] <jdong> JanC: well the customer already paid for the product, why would they care at all to support it? :(
[22:10] <sarah_bear> hey Mez
[22:10] <sarah_bear> why cant i join #ubuntu?
[22:10] <sarah_bear> says i have a connection problem
[22:11] <PriceChild> sarah_bear: one moment
[22:11] <sarah_bear> thanks PriceChild
[22:12] <JanC> jdong: I guess that's why I'm preparing to run "third-party software" on my new router...   ;-)
[22:13] <ubotu> In ubotu, avivi said: the defult is konqurer
[22:18] <Mez> PriceChild, fine to unban, my code doesnt wanna work
[22:18] <PriceChild> whoops, sorry you've been unbanned sarah_bear 
[22:18] <PriceChild> did the unban but forgot to come back for you
[22:24] <sarah_bear> thanks
[22:38] <LjL> sarah_bear, not switching nicknames every time you join *does* help both us and the bots...
[22:48] <ubotu> In #ubuntu+1, akleinho said: ubotu: this is the only line i get, hope it isn't too much?
[23:24] <Mez> LjL, you
[23:24] <Mez> 're a pain
[23:25]  * Mez is bored so is rewriting floodbot
[23:25] <Mez> http://rafb.net/p/phMehn49.html is how far I've gotten