[00:01] <owh> Am I correct in my understanding that the OpenDay is aimed at developers rather than users?
[00:01] <nxvl> owh: there are a lot of users that don't really matter
[00:01] <nxvl> yes
[00:01] <nxvl> it's aimed for user that want to know more to become developers
[00:02] <nxvl> i started contributing on the last OpenWeek
[00:02] <nxvl> for developers we have
[00:02] <nxvl> DeveloperWeek
[00:02] <owh> nxvl: Well, I'm not sure if I just say a language blip when you wrote: "a lot of users that don't really matter" - are you talking about them as users, or as users becoming developers?
[00:02] <nxvl> but they are quite the same
[00:02] <nxvl> they should be more differenced
[00:02] <owh> s/say/saw/
[00:03] <nxvl> i mean
[00:03] <nxvl> there are a lot of users (most of them)
[00:03] <nxvl> who doesn't care
[00:04] <nxvl> they just want a system that works
[00:04] <nxvl> who made it, and how, that's not their problem
[00:04] <owh> Sure.
[00:04] <owh> But how do you get one of those to care?
[00:05] <owh> How do you get one of those to tell others about Ubuntu?
[00:05] <owh> How do you get one of those to lodge bug reports?
[00:05] <owh> How do you help one of those users?
[00:05] <owh> Do you see what I mean?
[00:06] <nxvl> that's why the LoCo team exists
[00:06] <nxvl> :D
[00:06] <nxvl> that's what we do here in peru
[00:06] <nxvl> and i think other do also
[00:06] <nxvl> i need to go
[00:06] <nxvl> bbl
[00:06] <owh> And that's why there is an OpenWeek.
[00:06] <owh> Cool, later nxvl.
[00:07] <kgoetz> morning all
[00:08] <owh> It's OK for some :)
[00:08] <owh> afk
[00:11] <kgoetz> hehe
[00:54] <m1r> i am trying to setup PXE install server, but when i try instsall netkit-inetd i get this options: Package netkit-inetd is a virtual package provided by:
[00:54] <m1r>   inetutils-inetd 2:1.5.dfsg.1-4
[00:54] <m1r>   openbsd-inetd 0.20050402-6
[00:54] <m1r> which one should i chose to install
[01:23] <foo> Nothing has been deleted, and if you upgrade, they'll all come back unharmed.
[01:23] <foo> whoops
[01:31] <Centaur5> m1r: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=644256
[01:45]  * faulkes- sighs
[01:45] <faulkes-> croy what a long day
[01:45] <kgoetz> not a happy one?
[01:58] <zul> mlr: openbsd
[02:01] <faulkes-> kgoetz: long, frustrating and filled with hackery of the worst kind
[02:02] <faulkes-> dealing with servers which are in production, but have been unmanaged for two years
[02:02] <faulkes-> so attempting to do *new* stuff on them, well, I'm sure you understand
[02:02] <faulkes-> and I don't have all the gear I need to do replace them as of yet
[02:03] <faulkes-> at least my routers arrived so I can bring up the customer on time
[02:08] <kgoetz> faulkes-: yes, i do entirely understand
[02:09] <kgoetz> like the RHEL 3/4 systems i got given before this job and told 'they dont work, but all our dev/testing/prod is hosted on them'
[02:10] <kgoetz> sorry for the lag - i was being instructed on perl
[02:12] <faulkes-> another part of my problem today, perl, dbi, stored procedures on a centos 4.4 box with no upgrade path and no rpm's available which fix the problem, short of rewriting the .spec file and building it from source
[02:12] <faulkes-> even cpan dies building it
[02:13] <kgoetz> cpan is typically ... resilient. you must be hurting it badly
[02:13] <faulkes-> I will tell you our fix and you will realize the depth we had to go to
[02:14] <faulkes-> system("wget https://host/path/fix.php&var1=$var&var2=$var");
[02:14] <faulkes-> because php properly executed the stored procedure
[02:14] <kgoetz> :| oh my owch.
[02:14] <faulkes-> I work with java developers, the initial thought they had, was to write the fix, in java
[02:15] <faulkes-> and as much fun as I would have incurring a 256mb startup cost to execute one line of a stored procedure
[02:16] <faulkes-> it's a hack, it will go away when I get current boxes that will be maintained in there
[02:16] <kgoetz> thats a hack worth treasuring
[02:16] <faulkes-> still, ugly as sin and ninjaba put together
[02:16] <kgoetz> just for the ability to force some work experiance kid to work with it later
[02:17] <faulkes-> heh
[02:19] <faulkes-> however, that was just the last part of the day, the rest of it was backups failing, having no IT person 3k miles away at the main office to support people there
[02:19] <faulkes-> the network being flaky as hell, customs & fedex holding on to half the new gear because they didn't like the paperwork
[02:20] <faulkes-> it's been such a fun day
[02:20] <kgoetz> mmm. a day to avoid.
[02:20] <faulkes-> and people wonder why I'm a bitter, single, alcoholic^H^H^H
[02:20] <kgoetz> our Galaxy getting held by customs was a bit like that
[02:20] <faulkes-> I mean ;)
[02:21] <kgoetz> *grin*
[02:21] <kgoetz> i expect most admins understand why your a gentle, understanding shepheard
[02:21] <kgoetz> :p
[02:21] <kgoetz> *sp
[02:22] <PanzerMKZ> Galaxy?
[02:22] <faulkes-> Panzer: kgoetz is a vogon
[02:22] <faulkes-> you should hear some of his poetry
[02:22] <kgoetz> aiui codename for an product we are working on.
[02:22] <kgoetz> hehe
[02:23] <PanzerMKZ> ok
[02:23] <kgoetz> i think i'm allowed to use the codename .... >.<
[02:23] <PanzerMKZ> nm
[02:23] <PanzerMKZ> don't read the poetry to me
[02:23] <PanzerMKZ> and I will not ask again
[02:23] <PanzerMKZ> good thing all my projects are used servers and cheap freebie switches
[02:24] <kgoetz> but its really nice... honest!
[02:24] <PanzerMKZ> yea right
[02:24] <PanzerMKZ> no vogalality for me
[02:30] <faulkes-> oh well, tomorrow should be quieter, I'm going to go and label everything because nothing is labelled
[02:32] <kgoetz> nothign to label around here, the reception/office person labeled *everything*
[02:32] <PanzerMKZ> oh how horrible. tomorrow is apt-mirror day
[02:32] <kgoetz> we labeled all the stuff on her desk to take the piss
[02:32] <kgoetz> PanzerMKZ: hm?
[02:34] <PanzerMKZ> I am starting on a local apt get mirror
[02:34] <PanzerMKZ> and tomorrow I build the server for it
[02:35] <kgoetz> not that hard surely $(lots of disc+a cpu+some ram)
[02:35] <kgoetz> :)
[02:36] <PanzerMKZ> you have not been to the shop have you.
[02:37] <PanzerMKZ> cpu and ram are p1's and 32meg dimms
[02:37] <PanzerMKZ> just started my own computer repair place
[02:37] <kgoetz> no, i havent gone computer shopping in any serious way for years
[02:38] <PanzerMKZ> Yea I got a funny collection of dual p2's and dual xeons
[02:38] <PanzerMKZ> but nothing to major and very useful
[02:39] <kgoetz> teh xeons shoul be ok
[02:39] <PanzerMKZ> well yea
[02:40] <PanzerMKZ> there is a use for them once I get that board and procs up and running
[02:41] <PanzerMKZ> I compile blender daily
[02:41] <PanzerMKZ> so it would be good to use that
[02:43] <kgoetz> i'm going to head to itshare this arvo. wonder how many C64's they've stripped since iw as there last :(
[02:46] <PanzerMKZ> oh yea I plan to add a pxe boot server there in the mix
[02:47] <kgoetz> depending on how many systems you want to boot at once taht only neds a p2
[02:47] <kgoetz> with an optional gige nick in it *grin*
[02:48] <PanzerMKZ> yea
[02:53] <LeChacal> if i want my apache server to look for my sites root not at "/var/www/" but at "/var/www/foo/" and i am not running virtual host just one site on one IP address where would i go to change something like that. the closest i have found was if i was using virtual host and had multiply sites on the same IP address it looked like i could make each site have its root in another folder inside of "/var/www"
[02:54] <kgoetz> LeChacal: change apaches default vhosts root
[02:54] <kgoetz> in /etc/apache[2]/sites-available/default
[02:56] <LeChacal> kgoetz: that was the file i was looking at but wasnt sure if i wanted to change that thank you for confirm my thoughts
[02:57] <kgoetz> LeChacal: no worries
[04:49] <mactimes> Hi.  I've just set up Ubuntu Server using RAID1 for all partitions (including swap space) on a VM.  I'm running tests prior to installation on a production server.
[04:49] <mactimes> I tried removing one of the discs to see if things would work fine, but it seems to get jammed.
[04:49] <mactimes> Could someone, please help?
[06:09] <kgoetz> mactimes: "got jammed"
[06:09] <kgoetz> ?
[06:10] <mactimes> kgoetz: Doesn't even show grub.
[06:11] <kgoetz> mactimes: did you make sure the MBR is mirrored?
[06:11] <mactimes> kgoetz: No, how do I do it?
[06:17] <kgoetz> mactimes: i'm not sure, sorry
[06:17] <kgoetz> dd might work
[06:18] <mactimes> Well, since I've set up all partitions as mirrored, I thought this would be done for both disks...
[06:24] <mactimes> Nevermind though, I removed the virtual machine and I'm installing a new one with debian to see if it has the same behavior.
[08:59] <kraut> moin
[11:00]  * faulkes- yawns
[11:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> evening mate :)
[11:08] <faulkes-> morning
[14:54] <m11> hello
[14:56] <m11> i have problem with PXE install server. 2nd pc is starting installer but then it ask ne for online archive. can i set it somehow to be installed from local PC ?
[15:18] <\sh> m11, you need the package archive which is on the installer cd of server/desktop whatever, which means, you need to setup a webserver for this
[15:19] <\sh> or an nfs server which exports this archive dir to the pxe clients...or whatever it needs to get this archive accessed and is supported by d-i
[15:22] <m11> \sh , is webserver needed for this process ?
[15:22] <m11> _ah, sry, NFS server
[15:23] <m11> \sh , tnx, i go check what master google says on it
[15:26] <sommer> mdke: is it possible for me to correct this bug #215025
[15:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215025 in ubuntu-doc "server guide / mail filtering error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215025
[15:26] <sommer> woops, wrong channel... and console doh
[18:05] <nxvl> mathiaz: did elmo already give you the information about Bug #189616?
[18:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189616 in dovecot "connection problems under load with hardy dovecot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189616
[18:08] <mathiaz> nxvl: not yet - I haven't had a chance to talk to him today
[18:08] <nxvl> ok i will
[18:15] <Folke> Hi, Perhaps I a to late to report in results of gutsy on DL360 and DL380? Beq I don't find the templates in the list any longer?
[18:16] <Folke> Ah, oh.. I found it..
[18:23] <mathiaz> Folke: don't hesitate to test Hardy Beta if you can  ;)
[18:23] <Folke> Hi, I planned to install it on two servers here at work tonight. And report in the result in the wiki.
[18:24] <Folke> I have planned to do this earlier but work stuff came in between. :(
[18:24] <pr0le> does the Debian Proliant Service Pack work just fine for ubuntu?
[18:25] <Folke> Dunno really. We do use ubuntu on our virtual servers, but debian still on our physical ones. But I can try to install them tonight.
[18:26] <pr0le> Folke: are you using xen?
[18:27] <Folke> I used to, but are using vmware esx nowdays.
[18:27] <Folke> Xen was faster with linux native. But we use alot of Windows servers here.
[18:27] <pr0le> cool.  just curious.
[18:29] <Folke> And one thing that made us move over from debian to ubuntu was the support from vmware on ubuntu.
[18:29] <pr0le> the nonprofit I work for is considering virtualization for our small hosting server, and I'm not sure how to go about it yet
[18:30] <Folke> Ah, with Xen you get power and control at your fingertips I think. But then if you hand over to someone that is used to "right click" on stuff things can be hairy :)
[18:31] <pr0le> yeah, definitely.  I've played with ESX at my day job, and it's certainly easy to manage, but the nonprofit certainly doesn't have the budget for it
[18:31] <Folke> But now when KVM is maintained in ubuntu kernel that might be a nice alternative.. Never tried it out thou.
[18:31] <Folke> We are using almost our whole serverpark in vmware now.
[18:33] <pr0le> right now I'm thinking of xen and then openvz, but openvz support for ubuntu doesn't seem great
[18:34] <Folke> openvz, never heard that. Is it like xen? googling atm :)
[18:35] <pr0le> it's containers, ie. VPS
[18:35] <Folke> Ah, a parralells supported project.
[18:36] <Folke> We have some mac's that runs parllels desktop here..
[18:36] <pr0le> I'm thinking xen for live migration and then openvz for running different versions of PHP on different sites
[18:37] <pr0le> yeah, I've got ubuntu installed on parallels desktop on my Mac, but I don't have enough memory to make it very usable
[18:38] <Folke> Oh, so you can have many containers that runs different versions on the same server with openvz? Without "installing" multiple servers?
[18:39] <pr0le> that's the way I understand it... little chroots
[18:39] <pr0le> one kernel
[18:39] <Folke> that sounds really like a nice feature.
[18:40] <pr0le> yeah, and I know there are people with that set up, but I've got a lot to learn if I want to implement it :)
[18:45] <Folke> One thing that I really would like to learn is sumfink like cfengine or another good config system. But there seem never to be enough time for that..
[18:46] <zul> Folke: then you might want to look at puppet
[18:47] <Folke> zul: I've read about it, do you use it?
[18:47] <zul> Folke: no I dont but I have heard good things about it
[18:48] <Folke> zul: That is newer than cfengine isn't it? That would be great if there was some preferred way in ubuntu to go :)
[18:49] <zul> Folke: well there is landscape from canonical as well
[18:51] <Folke> zul: Is that somthing that canonical hosts, and the servers are reporting to them? (knows to little..me)
[18:51] <blueyed> linux-server triggers the nvidia black window bug for me. Is this a bug with package "linux" or "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24"? The different kernel config settings should be this: http://pastebin.com/m89666bc
[18:51] <zul> Folke: I dont know much about it
[18:52] <blueyed> (no problems with -generic)
[18:52] <zul> blueyed: you might want to talk to the kernel guys then
[18:53] <blueyed> zul: woops.. I've meant to.. sry
[19:04] <Folke> Well, time to in to the server-room and try out the new hardy beta :)
[19:20] <n6rej> morning guys, I think 'm having a problem with postfix... I try to log onto my lan mailserver and it says plaintext not authorized
[19:34] <Folke> Humm, trying to install hardy on a HP dl360g4p. And it seems like it has locked itself on cleaning up.. Can't switch console tty..
[19:36] <Folke> Ah, no more numlock on the server.. doi.. I wonder if it is beq the qlogic hba installed on it?
[19:50] <Folke> Humm, thats a nogo again.. Died on me again on libisccfg30.. I will try to reinstall it with 7.10.
[20:07] <Folke> Is there anyway to see what repository is used when installing? I think that one here in sweden is having trouble today..
[20:18] <Nafallo> Folke: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:20] <Folke> Nafallo: Tnx, but when installing hardy beta i get a hang on the dl360gp4. So I found that one repo here in sweden has problems. I tried an install with Debian etch on the same hw and it worked when i choose another repo.. But in hardy it selects repo autmagically.
[20:21] <Folke> eh, I meant dl360g4p.. sry
[20:22] <Nafallo> Folke: is this se.archive.ubuntu.com?
[20:22] <Nafallo> and well. Ubuntu Hardy and Debian Etch is pretty far apart :-)
[20:23] <Nafallo> could you try to force it to use gb.archive.ubuntu.com for example?
[20:23] <Folke> Yes, but I should try it out for the ServerTeam and send in the result.. But I didn't get so far :)
[20:25] <Folke> Nafallo: Yes, it is se.archive.ubuntu.com.. And I guess that it is the same network as ftp.se.debian.org that borked too..
[20:26] <Nafallo> Folke: hmm. it is.
[20:26] <Folke> When using the "standard" install it selects repo on basis on country settings?
[20:27] <Nafallo> Folke: I've told the admin, but he seems to be idle at the moment.
[20:29] <Folke> Nafallo: Ah, thanx! I have found another strange thing. I don't know if it is general bug or only problem with my hw. The install console F4 is only full of garble. lots of trash signs..
[20:42] <peterdv> ﻿Folke: Not general, I did a fresh (basic) install 5 hours ago based on dk.archive.ubuntu.com without problems.
[20:43] <Folke> peterdv: I am now trying to install with finland country settings and see what happens.
[20:45] <Folke> peterdv: Did you try to check the other consoles when you installed? Like tty4 / 5? I see only alot of trash text there. So I cannot see what goes right / wrong
[20:47] <peterdv> ﻿Folke: Sorry no. My install proceeded as usual, no custom fiddeling was needed in my case, so I just stayed in the console.
[20:49] <Folke> Humm, now it stopped on "rebooting into your new system".  I'm going to try another server tomorrow.
[21:14] <spmccann> i'm looking for some advice from the gurus
[21:15] <spmccann> i need to backup a linux server, 20 or so windoes pcs and a couple of macs
[21:15] <spmccann> i need the solituin to support an autochanger for offsiter tape storage
[21:15] <spmccann> any recommendations
[21:17] <sommer> spmccann: bacula should probably work for what your looking for
[21:17] <_CitizenKane_> has anyone set up openvpn for a roadwarrior scenario?  was it straightforward or hard?  are there better options?
[21:17] <spmccann> thanks sommer
[21:17] <spmccann> have you used it yourself
[21:19] <sommer> I've tested it, but haven't used it in production... there a those that do though :)
[21:19] <spmccann> ok, was their a reason for not using it in production !
[21:19] <sommer> don't have a tape drive, and the backup shell scipts I use work find so far
[21:19] <sommer> er fine
[21:20] <spmccann> ok cool
[21:20] <spmccann> i'm tryingh to put somethink low maintaince in place
[21:21] <spmccann> i'm doing some voleenteer work so the org I'm doing it for isn't cash rich
[21:21] <sommer> I think it's pretty low maintanence... at least after you've got every thing configured... heh
[21:22] <sommer> for a small number of machines it probably wouldn't be worth it, but with the number you're talking about and the multiple platforms, it probably is
[21:23] <spmccann> yep the old multiuplatform support issues
[21:24] <spmccann> the macs are a real kicker, but you know designers, it will be a cold day in hell b4 they give them up
[21:26] <LeChacal> i am trying to set up a web and mail server on the same box that has two NICs and in /etc/network/interface i have everything set up with one IP per card. my question is when i point my browser to either of the two IPs they both go to the web site, is that a setting that I need to change or is that in the DNS and i need to contact my ISP to have them change it in their DNS? I dont have the mail part set up yet just apache.
[21:28] <sommer> LeChacal: try adjusting the <VirtualHost *> at the begining of /etc/apache2/sites-available/default... change it to <VirtualHost IP_ADDRESS:80>
[21:32] <LeChacal> sommer: ok i changed that now i am guess that i also want to change "NameVirtualHost" is that my domain name or is that just a name for the virtual host?
[21:33] <sommer> LeChacal: I set it to the domain name of the site
[21:34] <sommer> so yes :)
[21:35] <LeChacal> sommer: thank you that worked
[21:35] <sommer> np
[21:39] <LeChacal> i am new to setting up a server but not new to Linux is there any good resources about setting up a server that would be good to read? i have read the things on the ubuntu site and parts of the apache documentation. Specifically web and mail servers.
[21:41] <sommer> LeChacal: I'm kind of fond of: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html
[21:41] <sommer> that's the hardy guide so if you're using gutsy see: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/
[21:44] <LeChacal> i am using dapper
[21:44] <LeChacal> but i can find its
[21:44] <LeChacal> add: page
[23:59] <n6rej> can anyone please help me get my mail working properly?  I followed the directions but I can't access my mail from the lan and telnet doesn't work properly either.