[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #214909 in xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd (universe) "radeonhd driver does not support changing brightness on T60p" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214909
[04:17] <ubotu> New bug: #209886 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Live CD not working with Mobility Radeon HD 2400 [1002:94c9]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209886
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #214911 in xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd (universe) "radeonhd does not support 3D" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214911
[04:22] <ubotu> New bug: #214895 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Screensaver Settings Mini-preview" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214895
[10:00] <james_w> hi all
[10:00] <seb128> hey james_w
[10:00] <bryce> hi guys
[10:01] <james_w> forgot that this channel wasn't on my auto-join list.
[10:01] <james_w> Is there an upload waiting for testing?
[10:01] <bryce> I uploaded the null ptr fixes, so those need tested
[10:08] <ubotu> New bug: #213845 in xorg (main) "Computer brought to complete halt when changing keyboard layouts using fglrx" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213845
[10:13] <james_w> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:7047): CRITICAL **: rw_screen_list_outputs: assertion `screen->info != NULL' failed
[10:13] <james_w> is that what you were seeing as well bryce?
[10:14] <bryce> no, the issue I was seeing turned out to be an unrelated bug (still haven't figured it out, but did manage to isolate it as independent of whether my patch is present)
[10:14] <james_w> ah, ok
[10:15] <james_w> so this is what was causing the segfault before, it's just asserting now with your checks added.
[10:16] <bryce> right
[10:17] <bryce> fwiw, we might be able to loosen them from being asserts to being returns of null or 0 or -1 or something that can be checked
[10:37] <bryce> heya tjaalton
[10:40] <tjaalton> hi bryce 
[10:41] <tjaalton> I've got one fix for xorg waiting, the one that soren has been waiting for. it's setting "CorePointer" for the mouse section again. Without that the section is not used at all, and the vmmouse tricks are useless
[10:41]  * bryce nods
[10:42] <bryce> I still don't have any myself (been uploading a bunch of other bits tho). 
[11:11] <james_w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6693/
[11:12] <james_w> that seems to fix settings-daemon on Xgl issue I was seeing.
[11:12] <bryce> oh cool
[11:12] <james_w> (I had to change the prints as it was complaining that %d couldn't be used for type Window)
[11:12] <bryce> ok
[11:12] <bryce> want me to sponsor?
[11:12] <james_w> though I have got a mixed up keymap now, I don't know what's causing that.
[11:13] <james_w> should seb128 ACK first?
[11:13] <bryce> there's been some other reports of mixed up keyboards lately (or maybe I've just been paying more attention to keyboard bugs).  In any case I suspect that's an unrelated issue
[11:14] <bryce> I think seb128 will be ok with it - it's just adding another null pointer check and removing a few g_print's
[11:14] <seb128> james_w: if it works fine for you I've no objection to get that uploaded
[11:14] <james_w> great, thanks.
[11:15] <seb128> james_w: while you are at it could you remove the extra printing there too as you did yesterday for gnome-control-center?
[11:15] <james_w> sure
[11:15] <james_w> I've got my keymap back after removing Xgl. Don't know what that means though.
[11:18] <bryce> seb128: do you think upstream will care whether the g_print()'s are commented using C++ //'s, vs C /* */ ?
[11:19] <seb128> well, that's a workaround
[11:19] <seb128> the proper way to do that would be to either a --debug option or have a #define DEBUG or something which enable those
[11:19] <bryce> uploaded
[11:19] <bryce> many could probably just be deleted entirely
[11:21] <seb128> right
[11:26] <james_w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6694/
[11:26] <james_w> that's a patch to remove the debugging g_prints
[11:29] <bryce> seb can take that one - I'm heading to bed (after 3am again, my gf's gonna kill me... again)
[11:29] <tjaalton> :)
[11:29] <seb128> 'night bryce
[11:29] <tjaalton> I see that a lot :)
[11:30] <seb128> james_w: seems mostly fine, but errors should not be commented I think
[11:30] <seb128> we want to know when something goes wrong
[11:30] <seb128> it should just not display anything on the command line when working correctly
[11:30] <james_w> night bryce 
[11:30] <james_w> ok
[11:32] <james_w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6695/ any better?
[11:35] <mvo> night bryce
[11:41] <seb128> james_w: yes, looks good now
[13:34] <ubotu> New bug: #210978 in mesa (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in _nv000069gl()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210978
[15:17] <ubotu> New bug: #208156 in update-manager (main) "Could not install 'libc6' (dup-of: 205079)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208156
[15:21] <ubotu> New bug: #204818 in update-manager (main) "update manager crashed upgrading 'libc6' package. (dup-of: 205079)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204818
[15:21] <ubotu> New bug: #209435 in update-manager (main) "crash in upgrade (dup-of: 205079)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209435
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #215282 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "intel video driver not working on Dell inspirion 1525" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215282
[21:05] <bryce> heya Q-FUNK
[21:06] <bryce> james_w: I've just forwarded our patches upstream, to the gnomecc list
[21:07] <Q-FUNK> hey
[21:08] <Q-FUNK> I have updated packages with the Replaces added (silly oversight, ARGH!)
[21:08] <bryce> awesome
[21:08] <Q-FUNK> waiting to be uploaed to debian
[21:09] <Q-FUNK> you also probably noticed that I managed to wake up the Koolu guys? :)
[21:09] <bryce> yes, very good!
[21:10] <bryce> I had put in a good word for your efforts earlier, so am glad they are getting involved
[21:11] <Q-FUNK> I was in touch with them a few months ago. maddog praised me for being so active as a cheerleader and with bug triaging on this driver.
[21:12] <bryce> well earned :-)
[21:13] <bryce> btw, don't know if you noticed but final archive freeze just went into effect a couple hours ago
[21:14] <bryce> http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/status_current.html
[21:22] <Q-FUNK> oh?
[21:22] <Q-FUNK> so no time to sync 2.8.0-6 then?
[21:24] <bryce> changes need approval by archive admin.  I'm not sure a sync would be authorized unless it fixed some critical bug(s)
[21:24] <bryce> and even in that case, slangasek may prefer just to have the bug fix(es) individually backported, however couldn't hurt to ask.
[21:26] <Q-FUNK> there are mainly 2 reasons to upgrade to geode:  major code cleanup,  getting rid of -amd for good and no need to drag transitinal for the next 2 years
[21:27] <Q-FUNK> well, if anyone can sponsor into debian http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-geode/xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.8.0-6.dsc
[21:28] <bryce> well, if nothing else maybe we can aim for getting it in for 8.04.1
[21:29] <Q-FUNK> we really need this to be released now. there won't be any support for -amd anymore and LTSP needs it
[21:30] <Q-FUNK> ogra really wanted edubuntu to release with this
[21:30] <Q-FUNK> he was waiting impatiently for -geode to finally be released
[21:30] <bryce> well, I'm concerned "code cleanup" won't be seen as a compelling reason
[21:31] <Q-FUNK> sorry, not my fault I cannot directly upload into debian and magically launch a sync at ubuntu.
[21:31] <Q-FUNK> I've been trying to do this transition with sporadic net access over the last couple of weeks
[21:32] <Q-FUNK> and this sync request was filed well before the final freeze
[21:55] <bryce> Q-FUNK: I've prompted slangasek's attention to it, and he says he'll be starting to look at these items today and tomorrow
[21:56] <Q-FUNK> prmising :)
[21:57] <Q-FUNK> would be even easier if we can get this sponsored into debian now, so that it's ready to sync by tomorrow
[21:58] <bryce> I'm going to be gone through Sunday, but if it's still not 100% done by Monday let me know and I'll put it at the top of my todo list.
[21:58] <Q-FUNK> ok
[21:59] <bryce> I can't sponsor to debian, but if nothing else I can try brute force breaking it into individual patches and submit piece by piece to the review team
[21:59] <Q-FUNK> that would be nearly impossible
[21:59] <bryce> obviously getting it sync'd would be much preferred...
[21:59] <Q-FUNK> indeed
[22:01] <ubotu> New bug: #207168 in ubiquity (main) "installer restarts X on Kubuntu Hardy after selecting keyboard (dup-of: 184651)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207168
[22:06] <bryce> sooo many bugs
[22:06] <bryce> I know that Hardy is a LOT better than Gutsy in terms of stability and such, but it still seems like there's an overwhelming number of crash bugs left
[22:07] <bryce> at least, I think we have the xrandr gui finally stablized enough that people aren't going to completely freak out, but some of the xrandr bugs need attention
[22:11] <bryce> james_w: there is starting to be some scattered review commentary on gnomecc; since I'm going to be gone now through the weekend, if you could, please respond to those where there's something we can say/do.  They pointed out our font patch was reversed, so that could probably use attention.
[22:12] <Q-FUNK> speaking of that cute xrandr gui tool, why didn't it go to Accessories or as an applet?
[22:13] <bryce> Q-FUNK: it (quite directly) replaces the Screen Resolution tool, which has always lived in System/Prefs
[22:13] <Q-FUNK> I always wondered why that one was there too
[22:16] <james_w> bryce: sure, I can take a look. Was the font patch something I dropped?
[22:17] <bryce> not sure - patch 108_cc-randr12-capplet-font-layout.patch 
[22:17] <james_w> cool, I'll work it out.
[22:18] <bryce> Q-FUNK: personally I thought it should be in System/Admin.
[22:18] <Q-FUNK> well, it's designed to be able to reconfigure on the fly, no?
[22:18] <bryce> I have seen some randr changers implemented as toolbar applets and IMHO it's just wasteful of screen real estate.  
[22:19] <Q-FUNK> her,e the main need I have for it is when i plug my laptop into a projector
[22:20] <bryce> ultimately I think the idea is that you'd configure that *ONCE*, and then it would automatically detect when the projector is plugged/unplugged, and automatically change to the appropriate config without any button pushing
[22:20] <bryce> I haven't tested that, but it's clearly where fedora is going with the code.  It might already work.
[22:21] <bryce> of course, the skeptical part of me notes how whenever the computer tries to do things automatically for me, it often ends up causing me *more* work and confusion, but I'll be optimistic this time.
[22:23] <bryce> maybe we need a paperclip.  "Hi!  I see you have connected a   PROJECTOR.  Would you like to a) TURN IT OFF, b) SET TO 320x240, or c) REBOOT?"
[22:24] <jcristau> except load detection on vga is loss
[22:25] <Q-FUNK> here, I already have an issue with xrandr assuming that the minute I plug an external display, it should become the main one.  the end result is that what i see on the laptop screen is clipped, becuase it has WXGA, while the projectors tend to be 4:3.
[22:26] <jcristau> so what you can do is have a button for the user to tell you he plugged a monitor and needs you to do the detection
[22:26] <jcristau> but you can't poll
[22:26] <Q-FUNK> it doens't seem to be able to treat them as two separte displays, each with its own size and content
[22:26] <jcristau> Q-FUNK: uh?
[22:27] <bryce> do you mean the toolbars are off?
[22:27] <jcristau> Q-FUNK: xrandr has --left-of and --above options
[22:27] <Q-FUNK> jcristau: it indeed does but that doesn't produce the expected result
[22:27] <Q-FUNK> bryce: that too
[22:27] <jcristau> Q-FUNK: not sure what the expected result is, then
[22:28] <jcristau> because it works just fine for me. plug a monitor or projector; xrandr --output VGA --auto --above LVDS; ...; profit
[22:28] <Q-FUNK> it currently doens't give me output that is above or left of anything.  it instead tries to mirror the content on two displays of different geometries.
[22:29] <jcristau> xrandr --auto does that.  --above doesn't, if you allocated a large enough fb
[22:30] <Q-FUNK> that virtual fb already is a problem.  it seems to treat the displays as zooms on two areas of a larger map, with parts not showing on either zoom
[22:31] <Q-FUNK> I tried with bryce's tool and manually with xrandr cli options
[22:31] <bryce> Q-FUNK: can you please post the fix/debdiff for the Replaces to 211385?  Maybe also link to the new debian sync request
[22:31] <jcristau> sounds like a window manager problem
[22:32] <Q-FUNK> compiz+metacity in gnome
[22:32] <Q-FUNK> bryce: sure. just a sec. rebooting..
[22:43] <Q-FUNK> ok, which bug was this, again?
[22:44] <bryce> bug #211385
[22:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211385 in xserver-xorg-video-amd "please sync xserver-xorg-video-geode (main) from Debian (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211385
[23:21] <ubotu> New bug: #215414 in xorg (main) "installation error for package  x11-common" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215414