[00:00] <martalli> The only downside for me is that foxmarks for ff3.0 is still in beta
[00:00] <Daisuke-Laptop> okay, i've checked my version of udev, made sure l-b-m is installed...  i really don't know what else to do here :\
[00:00] <martalli> Does anyone know if there is somethinglike foxmarks for konqueror?
[00:00] <lamalex> most of the plugins I use aren't available for ff3 yet :(
[00:01] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: you're using l-b-m for 15, correct?
[00:01] <lamalex> but does anyone else  here have two broken packages for launchpad integration?
[00:01] <martalli> More and more of mine work, but for me the main one is foxmarks, the others are window dressing
[00:01] <Daisuke-Laptop> crimsun: correct
[00:01] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: what's the dmesg post-resume?
[00:01] <Daisuke-Laptop>   Installed: 2.6.24-15.13
[00:02] <Daisuke-Laptop> hmm...  would that be logged somewhere?
[00:02] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: well, yes, in `dmesg' and /var/log/dmesg.
[00:02] <Gun_Smoke> Does anyone know if the RT61 driver works out of the box for 8.04?
[00:03] <lamalex> anyone? I cant install or upgrade anything until I fix these packages
[00:04] <lamalex> liblpint-bonobo0 and python-launchpad-integration
[00:05] <Totem> is the internet working?
[00:05] <Totem> yay!
[00:05] <Totem> say somthing....
[00:06] <Totem> I am trying to install ati graphics card drivers, but when I do, I get this error: X Server: unable to detect
[00:06] <Daisuke-Laptop> it's using iwl3945...
[00:06] <daekdroom> What's the GTK version used in Hardy?
[00:07] <Daisuke-Laptop> which is the only thing i can determine from that
[00:07] <Laney> lamalex: No, but I do remember some updates for those happening recently.
[00:07] <lamalex> Laney: yeah, mine broke on those updates
[00:07] <Laney> Perhaps you could try switching to the main server - sometimes the mirrors are a bit behind
[00:07] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: no, the point is to pastebin the dmesg.
[00:07] <lamalex> I think I'm on main
[00:07] <RAOF> daekdroom: I suggest querying our fine bot (/msg ubotu info libgtk+2.0-0 hardy)
[00:08] <crimsun> without the plus.
[00:08] <RAOF> Because I _rock_!
[00:08] <Daisuke-Laptop> ah ha
[00:08] <RAOF> Of course; the source package is gtk+2.0 :P
[00:08] <daekdroom> I noticed :p
[00:09] <daekdroom> GTK libs are 2.12.
[00:10] <RAOF> Ubuntu always has the latest Gnome & GTK :)
[00:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62783/
[00:12] <eternal_p> 'evening all...I am having a lot of trouble, updating and downloading updates from the repos, is there anything wrong?
[00:13] <Killeroid> no, just  updated
[00:14] <eternal_p> strange, must be my connection then
[00:14] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: eh?  it looks like it resumes just fine
[00:15] <Daisuke-Laptop> it seems to, but there's no wireless even detected on resume
[00:15] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: meaning the wifi code attests to reinit correctly
[00:15] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: does wlan0_rename exist in `ip a'?
[00:15] <Daisuke-Laptop> it does
[00:16] <Daisuke-Laptop> why it's called wlan0_rename i have no idea, but...
[00:16] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: udev issue that has been fixed
[00:16] <Totem> I am trying to install ati graphics card drivers, but when I do, I get this error: X Server: unable to detect
[00:17] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: on a fresh boot, does the correct interface (not the 'master', or 'wmaster0') list as 'wlan0'?
[00:17] <Daisuke-Laptop> well, i'm right off a fresh reboot right now, and it's wlan0_rename
[00:17] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: ok, a patch was just uploaded for udev to address that
[00:17] <Daisuke-Laptop> k
[00:18] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: anyhow, that's not the root of the issue
[00:18] <Daisuke-Laptop> okay
[00:18] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: what does `iwconfig' list for wlan0_rename?
[00:18] <eternal_p> i've got a quick question, in 7.10 I had a rdnis driver for my WM phone (as a modem) network manager saw this and I could manage the connection, with 8.04 I can still get on the net, but network manager does not work
[00:18] <Daisuke-Laptop> lists that i'm connected just fine
[00:19] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: e.g., `iwconfig wlan0_rename scanning'
[00:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> connected to the wrong access point though :\
[00:19] <crimsun> s/iwconfig/iwlist/
[00:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> No scan results
[00:19] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: ok, so it does appear to reinit correctly
[00:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> i just rebooted
[00:19] <MegaVolt> the 7.10 to 8.04 update completely trashed my system :(
[00:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> this isn't off a resume
[00:19] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: do you have an AP you can forcibly reassociate with?
[00:20] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: err, the point is to reproduce this from a resume
[00:20] <MegaVolt> tons of errors in the update process and like five dozen core dumps
[00:20] <MegaVolt> libc started it
[00:20] <sypher7> MegaVolt: eek
[00:20] <Daisuke-Laptop> i know, that's why i was asking about past logs for dmesh
[00:20] <MegaVolt> and it went on during the whole setup process
[00:20] <Daisuke-Laptop> dmesg*
[00:20] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: see the full-stop and numbered ones.
[00:20] <MegaVolt> funny thing: the same thing happened with my dist-upgrade vom 6.10 zo 7.04
[00:21] <MegaVolt> guess I
[00:21] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: e.g., /var/log/dmesg.0, etc.
[00:21] <sypher7> MegaVolt: interesting... sounds like Ubuntu doesn't like your computer :-P
[00:21] <MegaVolt> have to reinstall from the CD ... again
[00:21] <Totem> I am trying to install ati graphics card drivers, but when I do, I get this error: X Server: unable to detect   ... can someone help me fix this?
[00:21] <MegaVolt> yea sounds like it :(
[00:22] <MegaVolt> does anyone know how the gef 8800 gt works with the 8.04 ?
[00:22] <sypher7> MegaVolt: i had some issues as well, but nothing that catastrophic. what kind of hardware are you running?
[00:22] <MegaVolt> amd x2
[00:22] <MegaVolt> and gef 8800 gt
[00:22] <MegaVolt> asus board, an older one
[00:22] <MegaVolt> nothing fancy
[00:22] <MegaVolt> a8n-e
[00:22] <sypher7> MegaVolt: *nods* doesn't sound like it should be causing that many headaches.
[00:22] <MegaVolt> well, the geforce does
[00:23] <MegaVolt> 7.10 didnt have support there ;)
[00:23] <sypher7> MegaVolt: I used to use that same board, never had problems.
[00:23] <MegaVolt> the board actually has a very, very annoying bug
[00:23] <MegaVolt> to be able to overclock, the disc drive has to be enabled in the bios
[00:23] <MegaVolt> sincei dont have a floppy drive i had it disabled and the bios-overclick was ignored
[00:23] <MegaVolt> took me ages to find the reason for that ;)
[00:24] <sypher7> MegaVolt: I kinda skipped the video card driver in the repository and just install the nvidia package straight from nvidia
[00:24] <MegaVolt> hm thats also an option
[00:24] <MegaVolt> should have done that, too ;)
[00:24] <sypher7> MegaVolt: ugh, i bet. i can't speak for the 8800, but i have 2x gef 7900 GS in SLI and that works fine
[00:25] <MegaVolt> does the 8800 gt work out of the box in 8.04 ?
[00:25] <MegaVolt> i remember trying to set up a system with a 8800 gts about a year ago
[00:25] <MegaVolt> and a lot of hassle with vesa driver etc was needed to get it working
[00:25] <Daisuke-Laptop> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62784/
[00:27] <sypher7> MegaVolt: I think it should. since the install would start out with the generic 'nv' driver and not nvidia' proprietary one, you'd want to see if the nv driver supports 8800 in X 7.3 or whatever it is that comes in 8.04
[00:27] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: I can't look ATM
[00:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> no worries
[00:28] <MegaVolt> if i remember it right it the nv driver doesnt support the new cards yet
[00:28] <crimsun> Daisuke-Laptop: just PM it to me in a query
[00:28] <crimsun> (the URL)
[00:28] <Daisuke-Laptop> yeah, i didn't figure you'd want to be flooded by dmesg output
[00:29] <sypher7> MegaVolt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/ there you go... i'd suggest searching that for 8800 and see what bugs it turns up
[00:32] <tlp> is it possible to view the data submitted to launchpad via the "Hardware Testing" tool?
[00:35] <MegaVolt> sypher7: I'm not really familiar with that bug stuff ... what is it supposed to tell me ;) ?
[00:35] <Amaranth> DBO: bug fixed :)
[00:37] <sypher7> MegaVolt: basically that's just the page for the "out of the box" nvidia driver, and would contain any known bugs with it. I don't see anything about the 8800 series cards in there, so I'd assume that it would work out of the box
[00:37] <sypher7> MegaVolt: I say that because according to that driver's info, it should support the 8800. now getting the actual hardware accelerated 3D driver from nvidia is another story
[00:37] <recon69> hi, just wanted to ask is firefox locking up anyone else's system, had a total lock up, no mouse or keyboard responce
[00:38] <sypher7> recon69: i had that happen before, but it turned out i had a bad harddrive
[00:38] <sypher7> recon69: not to suggest that's the problem, but does it happen often?
[00:39] <recon69> just today, it locked up twice.
[00:40] <sypher7> MegaVolt: I just checked and the nvidia proprietary driver in the package repository for hardy (package name: nvidia-glx-new) is the newest available from nvidia, which supports the 8800 series.
[00:40] <MegaVolt> yep it should do that
[00:40] <MegaVolt> I checked that one, too
[00:40] <MegaVolt> but the CD doesn't ship with the propietary one, right?
[00:40] <MegaVolt> so to get that one I need nv working first ;)
[00:41] <recon69> could be harddrive related, I will have to do some checking on my drive.
[00:41] <sypher7> recon69: i'd suggest installing smartmontools and visiting the smartmontools page to learn about running tests with that
[00:42] <sypher7> MegaVolt: yeah, but the newer nv driver with 8.04 looks like it does contain some fixes for 8800 cards, so hopefully it would work. actually the liveCD might have the proprietary drivers in them too. I'd say look at the boot options help screen when the livecd boots up and see if it lists any options for enabling that
[00:42] <genie> hi every body
[00:42] <sypher7> hi
[00:43] <recon69> i'll have  a look tomorrow , bit late tonight to get into anything new.
[00:43] <MegaVolt> thanks, will try that out ;) hope it works better then the auto-dist-upgrade ... ;)
[00:43] <genie> my 8.4 keep shutting down
[00:43] <genie> I check system log/messages I found some things like that
[00:43] <genie> Apr 11 02:32:23 genie01 vdr: [13883] [xine..put] cXinelibOsdProvider: shutting down !
[00:44] <sypher7> MegaVolt: good luck :-P
[00:44] <sypher7> genie: do you have any CPU temperature applet running on your desktop?
[00:44] <sypher7> genie: it sounds like it may be overheating or something
[00:44] <genie> no
[00:44] <genie> my temp shown 34 c
[00:45] <genie> I install ZALMAN
[00:45] <genie> my temp very log
[00:45] <genie> I mean low **
[00:45] <sypher7> genie: okay. hmmm
[00:46] <genie> sypher7, maybe my mainboard
[00:46] <genie> sypher7, I am using ASUS M3A32-MVP
[00:46] <sypher7> genie: maybe. that's an odd problem
[00:47] <woodwizzle> i think the busID of my 2 cards is wrong in my xorg (maybe)
[00:47] <Totem> I am trying to install ati graphics card drivers, but when I do, I get this error: X Server: unable to detect   ... can someone help me fix this?
[00:47] <woodwizzle> lspci -tv gives me this:
[00:47] <woodwizzle> and i'm using busid 01:00:00 and 02:00:00
[00:47] <woodwizzle> i'm using busid 01:00:00 and 02:00:00
[00:47] <woodwizzle> oops
[00:47] <genie> sypher7,  is Ubuntu 8.4 ok with this board?
[00:47] <woodwizzle>            +-03.0-[0000:01]----00.0  nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT
[00:47] <woodwizzle>            +-05.0-[0000:02]----00.0  nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT
[00:48] <sypher7> genie: i'm not sure really.
[00:48] <Dr_willis> Most nvidia cards should work fine.
[00:48] <genie> sypher7, thanks any way
[00:48] <sypher7> woodwizzle: yeah, i have nvidia cards in SLI and it would autodetect the wrong one to use for the display
[00:48] <Dr_willis> there can be some quirks with specific cards and versions of the drivers.
[00:49] <Dr_willis> as for SLI. No idea there. I find sli a rip-off :)
[00:49] <woodwizzle> sypher7:  These cards were working in SLI fine, once I set SLI in my xorg.conf. But I have SLI turned off now because I want to use 3 monitors
[00:49] <_Rambaldi_> how do i use command line to find all files with avi extension
[00:49] <woodwizzle> I just chose to get 2 of the same cards so I could try SLI out when I did wanna play a game =)
[00:49] <genie> Hello all, anybody face sudden shutdown of 8.4?
[00:49] <Dr_willis> _Rambaldi_,  locate .avi
[00:50] <Dr_willis> _Rambaldi_,  the locate database may need to be updated with 'sudo updatedb'  if the avi files are recently added.
[00:50] <_Rambaldi_> i have been doing locate *.avi
[00:50] <genie> I am facing this problem and in my system log I found this message: Apr 11 02:32:23 genie01 vdr: [13883] [xine..put] cXinelibOsdProvider: shutting down !
[00:51] <Dr_willis> _Rambaldi_,  dont use *
[00:51] <_Rambaldi_> ahh, the database update is what i was missing, as well, cheers
[00:52] <sypher7> woodwizzle: when i initially installed ubuntu i didn't get a display because it detected the wrong card to use and didn't enable SLI by default. so to fix it I had to switch to a terminal (CTRL-ALT-F1) and either enable SLI in xorg.conf or fix the BusID number in the settings. then restart GDM
[00:53] <_Rambaldi_> worked like a charm Dr_willis
[00:55] <Dr_willis> the locate database has a cron job where it auto-updates like once a day
[00:56] <Pirate_Hunter> bck what has happened so far
[00:57] <genie> Dr_willis, which database you are talking about?
[00:57] <Dr_willis> the locate programs database.
[00:58] <Dr_willis> cron normally runs updatedb once a day
[00:58] <esox> Anybody to help on wacom tablet and udev rules for midibox ?
[00:58] <genie> Dr_willis, ok, you mean cron
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> he just said cron.
[01:01] <_Rambaldi_> Dr_willis, locate .avi only searches ~, how do i get it to search my mounted partition, in when i cd into the partition it still searches ~
[01:02] <Dr_willis> _Rambaldi_,  the locatedate base has a config file set where it does NOT index things in /media
[01:02] <Dr_willis> locate does NOT search where you are at. it searches its database. thats it.
[01:02] <Dr_willis> You could use 'find' if you wanted to
[01:03] <Dr_willis> find is slower. but scans the current filesystem. no database to update.
[01:03] <_Rambaldi_> can i add media to the db Dr_willis
[01:03] <Dr_willis> _Rambaldi_,  you could add whatever you want to the locate config files to be indexed... but what if it indexes a cdrom you got mounted. that you later remove and so forth
[01:04] <Dr_willis> find | grep avi  :) is a fast and dirty way..proberly easier ways to search the crrent directory recursively for avi files also
[01:04] <esox> also, where can I find a good tutorial/wiki on pulseaudio on hardy, I tried on my own, but I find it more complicated than  jackd, so I think I missed something
[01:05] <_Rambaldi_> year that commands will suffice, :) Dr_willis
[01:08] <Black_Magic> im having problems with uploading to my server
[01:09] <sypher7> _Rambaldi_: you could do something like: find /folder/to/search -iname "*.avi"
[01:09] <sypher7> _Rambaldi_: but as they mentioned, it'll be slow
[01:09] <sypher7> _Rambaldi_: esp. if you want to search your entire harddrive :-P
[01:10] <_Rambaldi_> sypher7, find | grep avi works
[01:10] <sypher7> _Rambaldi_: if you want to be case insensitive, i.e. also find AVI, you could adjust it like: find | grep -i avi
[01:11] <sypher7> _Rambaldi_: just fyi
[01:11] <_Rambaldi_> thanks man sypher7
[01:11] <sypher7> _Rambaldi_: np
[01:11] <esox> update is still a mess, I've been notified that there is updates available. it download, then says the internet connection is out and it removes all what is downloaded...
[01:11] <_Rambaldi_> !grep
[01:11] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[01:12] <Black_Magic> Could Anyone help ?
[01:12] <sypher7> Black_Magic: what trouble are you having?
[01:12] <Luckrider> does anyone wtih xmp know what the now playing command is?
[01:13] <Black_Magic> sypher7: Well i have a proftpd server and when ever i try and use filezilla to upload it gives me no such file or directory and then in the top prompt part says majour error...
[01:13] <Black_Magic> and i read at bottom to get the part with no such file or dir
[01:13] <neur0n> howcome my themes arent showing shadows on winders, (compiz)
[01:14] <sypher7> Black_Magic: what is your proftpd config set to?
[01:15] <sypher7> Black_Magic: kinda sounds like it might be pointed at a non-existant directory or something
[01:15] <alexvd_> Hi I am trying to upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy.  The problem is the update manager freezes on the first step. I commented out the 3rd party repos and made sure I was fully updated.  I see that this was a bug but it was supposed to be fixed. Sadly I cant upgrade by doing a distrubtution upgrade.
[01:15] <Black_Magic> sypher7: well i can download files and others can do just cant upload
[01:15] <Black_Magic> sypher7: the dir for Uploads?
[01:15] <Black_Magic> sypher7: it gives me the file im trying to upload does not exsist
[01:15] <Sergeant_Pony> I have a question about Pulse Audio....
[01:16] <sypher7> Black_Magic: ah, i dunno then
[01:16] <Sergeant_Pony> Is there a config file I can edit to set the default source? reason being on a reboot sound works but I have to change the source manually.
[01:17] <Black_Magic> Command:	TYPE I
[01:17] <Black_Magic> Response:	200 Type set to I
[01:17] <Black_Magic> Command:	PASV
[01:17] <Black_Magic> Response:	227 Entering Passive Mode (99,148,255,244,199,29).
[01:17] <Black_Magic> Command:	STOR 2435901.jpg
[01:17] <Black_Magic> Response:	550 2435901.jpg: No such file or directory
[01:17] <Black_Magic> Error:	Critical error
[01:17] <Black_Magic> Sorry
[01:17] <Black_Magic> i forgot to /query
[01:17] <Sergeant_Pony> default Server... not source..
[01:17] <valehru> Hey guys, upgrading from gutsy. Got the error during the install - Could not install '/var/cache/apt/archives/libicu38_3.8-6_amd64.deb' - corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive  ---- thought ye should be aware of it.
[01:21] <sphinx_> is the current kernel will be the same for the release ?
[01:21] <RAOF> sphinx_: Probably not; there's a -16 waiting for lrm to be built for it :)
[01:23] <sphinx_> RAOF, i want to install virtualbox and this depend on kernel this mean i delay it or it will update automatic when new  kernel come ?
[01:26] <Boohbah> sphinx_: i'm having trouble modprobe vboxdrv on 2.6.24-15-generic
[01:27] <sphinx_> then i better to wait for the release :)
[01:28] <sphinx_> i face this problem before with vbox when kernel upgrade
[01:29] <Boohbah> valehru: maybe you should delete it and try again
[01:32] <Luckrider> Uncle Rodney Says: Never Gonna Come Back Down by BT on Movement In Still Life [Year: 2000] [Track: (No Track Field)] [Length: 5:47] [Bitrate: 192] [Size: 7.94 MB]
[01:32] <Luckrider> did anyone see that?
[01:32] <andre__> My system errored while trying to configure libc6 for Hardy beta and now every solution I've tried (including reverting back to gutsy) tells me to run 'apt-get -f install'... which redisplays the error about failing to configure libc6.
[01:32] <Dr_willis> Luckrider,  yes we saw the useless spam
[01:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:32] <Luckrider> ok
[01:32] <Luckrider> sorry, just checking to make sure it was working
[01:32] <Luckrider> thanks
[01:32] <Dr_willis> ive never understood the need for those things. :)
[01:33] <Luckrider> It is for another server
[01:33] <Luckrider> just my friends love it
[01:33] <Luckrider> so...
[01:33] <chowmeined> its people showing off because it boosts their ego
[01:33] <Luckrider> I allow them to sees whats I gots
[01:33] <Luckrider> lol
[01:33] <Luckrider> exactly
[01:33] <roovis> When I plug in my camera, I no longer get prompted to import photos -- was this a change from Gutsy?
[01:33]  * Dr_willis Jamms to Kenny G.
[01:33] <Luckrider> lol
[01:33] <Luckrider> that is how you dod it lol
[01:34] <andre__> I only use "now playing" scripts to save time and typing. (I think you'd like this song... \n/np)
[01:34] <chowmeined> so im still not quite sure what the plan is
[01:34]  * Luckrider jams to BT, then switches to The Ghost Orchid
[01:34] <chowmeined> how is firefox 3 going to work in hardy?
[01:34] <Iburnaga> I'm getting the too small size error when ever I try to install Hardy Heron ><
[01:34] <sypher7> roovis: that happened in gutsy as well. not sure when they implemented it
[01:34] <Luckrider> it is auomaticly installed
[01:34] <Iburnaga> Works pretty well I'm on it right now. XD
[01:34] <chowmeined> yea but, firefox 3 isnt released yet
[01:34] <Luckrider> it works well chowmeined
[01:34] <Iburnaga> On a live CD no less.
[01:34] <Luckrider> oh
[01:34] <chowmeined> its still beta
[01:34] <Dr_willis> Well it works. :)
[01:34] <chowmeined> firefox3 final isnt released until june
[01:34] <Luckrider> you are saying for the real release
[01:34] <Dr_willis> life is beta
[01:34] <Iburnaga> It still works.
[01:34] <Luckrider> exactly
[01:35] <Dr_willis> Firefox 2 is in there also.
[01:35] <chowmeined> it doesnt work very well
[01:35] <roovis> sypher7: Did Gutsy prompt to import photos?  If I recall correctly, Gutsy did ... Hardy isn't.
[01:35] <chowmeined> i mean, theres image glitches, a ton of add-ons dont work
[01:35] <Luckrider> It will probly use the beta which works perfectly for slower computers
[01:35] <Dr_willis> I cant say that ive had any issuesd with firefox3b5  that i am arare of.
[01:35] <sypher7> roovis: yeah, Gutsy did for me.
[01:35] <Luckrider> same here
[01:35] <Dr_willis> and add-ons not working - is not the fault of firefox. :)
[01:35] <chowmeined> every so often images show up all blacked out
[01:35] <Luckrider> I think they are just using this period to check everything
[01:35] <Dr_willis> You can force the extensions to load. with the Daily tester tools extension
[01:35] <chowmeined> if i resize them or scroll around a bit it comes back
[01:36] <Dr_willis> about the only issue i see on the Beta is a bit of a lag when checking some checkbox's on some web sites
[01:36] <chowmeined> so will hardy upgrade to ff3 automatically after you install?
[01:36] <chowmeined> i mean once ff3 final is released
[01:37] <Dr_willis> I imagine so
[01:37] <chowmeined> and dont LTSs have a second release cycle to fix up stuff?
[01:37] <RAOF> sphinx_: The new virtualbox kernel modules should be built shortly after the kernel ABI bump
[01:37] <roovis> chowmeined: That's it! I'm waiting until Hardy SP1 before switching! *runs*
[01:37] <Dr_willis> roovis,  Hay! thats MY line!
[01:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> chowmeined: nope.... but they sometimes have later releases
[01:38] <Boohbah> RAOF: there is a virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.24-15-generic but it's not working for me
[01:38] <Luckrider> lol
[01:38] <Luckrider> roovis very funny
[01:38] <chowmeined> did flash get fixed so it stops crashing all the time?
[01:38] <RAOF> Boohbah: Well, file a bug :)
[01:38] <Luckrider> it doesn't crash for me
[01:39] <chowmeined> so if a bug never happens for you it doesnt exist?
[01:39] <Boohbah> chowmeined: adblock plus and noscript work, that's all i need
[01:39] <Luckrider> I just can't hear stuff with flash videos sometimes
[01:39] <Black_Magic> Is Anyone Here that can help me when i try and open Gproftpd it shows a little then disappears
[01:39] <chowmeined> Boohbah, yea those work, but webdev toolbar, firebug.. those are really useful for development
[01:39] <Dr_willis> I cant say that ive seen flash crash for me either. But i dont go to  the big flash sites. I do play a few flash games
[01:39] <RAOF> chowmeined: We're pretty much totally unable to fix flash bugs.  Try gnash :)
[01:39] <Aval0n> does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not give video options anymore?
[01:39] <Luckrider> Black_Magic What???
[01:40] <chowmeined> gnash only works on maybe 20% of things
[01:40] <chowmeined> so that doesnt work
[01:40] <RAOF> chowmeined: In fact, if you're not on x86_64, we are _totally_ incapable of fixing flash bugs.
[01:40] <Aval0n> anyone?
[01:40] <Dr_willis> Good old flash.. gotta hate it.
[01:40] <chowmeined> yea, 32bit.. but i saw a bug report
[01:40] <Black_Magic> Luckrider: I try and open it the thing pops up with a white area in the inside then exits..
[01:40] <chowmeined> because flash crashes about 50% of the time you go to any site with flash video
[01:40] <Dr_willis> But it is so Critical for the "Spank the monkey and win $$$" banner ads!
[01:41] <RAOF> Aval0n: That's right.  We now only write keymap settings to xorg.conf, since they can't be autodetected correctly.
[01:41] <chowmeined> i mean it crashes firefox
[01:41] <Luckrider> hmm, I am not sure
[01:41] <chowmeined> i saw a bug report, something about memory leaks in pulse audio
[01:41] <RAOF> I'm in ur browser, messin wit ur code.
[01:41] <chowmeined> but i dont think plugin makers and add-on makers are going to really start updating their stuff until firefox3 is released
[01:41] <Luckrider> I don't know what you are talking about to be truthful, I just wanted for you to clearify what you were saying Black_Magic
[01:42] <Black_Magic> Oh ok
[01:42] <Dr_willis> Im using the 'Nightly tester tools' extension to test/run all my old extensions :)
[01:44] <Iburnaga> So I have a pretty big problem with grubs, at least I think it is big.
[01:44] <Black_Magic> Dr_willis: There is a plugin that lets you run older unsupported firefox plugins?
[01:44] <Iburnaga> When I try to use the setup command all my devices are deemed invalid.
[01:44] <Dr_willis> Black_Magic,  yes... the 'Nightly tester Tools' extension.. :) ive  mentioned it 3 times now in the last 5 min. :P
[01:44] <Black_Magic> lol im messing with my FTp Server...
[01:44] <Black_Magic> trying to stop it from disconnecting as soon as transfers are done -.-
[01:44] <Dr_willis> use at your own risk.
[01:44] <chowmeined> i hope they dont screw up the back button in linux like they did in windows
[01:45] <ader10> Brasero fails with "error 7" message = "Could not decode stream." but vlc plays it fine, so it should be decodable (is that even a word?) Help please
[01:45] <Dr_willis> I thought vlc has its own codec stuff built in.
[01:45] <Dr_willis> no idea what/how brasero does it.
[01:46] <Aval0n> does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not give video options anymore?
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> Aval0n: nope
[01:46] <Black_Magic> nosrednaekim: Why not?
[01:46] <Luckrider> chowmeined, what is the "Back button"?
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> because of 7.3
[01:47] <chowmeined> Luckrider, in firefox?
[01:47] <Luckrider> ok
[01:47] <Luckrider> so... what is it?
[01:47] <chowmeined> in windows it looks all groovy
[01:48] <Luckrider> ok, so it is like a theme thing?
[01:48] <chowmeined> i dunno i guess so
[01:48] <chowmeined> it kinda looks like internet explorer's
[01:48] <Luckrider> ok, I know what you are talking about now
[01:49] <ader10> Dr_willis: I believe brasero uses flac -d to decode flacs to wav
[01:50] <Aval0n> so how do I tell my shite to use nvidia driver now?
[01:50] <Aval0n> manual edit of xorg?
[01:50] <Iburnaga> RAAH
[01:50] <Iburnaga> I can't even force mount.
[01:50] <Iburnaga> I suck man.
[01:52] <Dr_willis> Aval0n,  i just ran the nvidia-xconfig tool and had it gerneate a xorg.conf I belive
[01:53] <Dr_willis> Aval0n,  but that was NOT really needed. :) i installed nvidia-glx-new, and when i restarted X it auto-detexted.used it.
[02:03] <rycole> i've been reading package details, and stuff for the past day, or so, and have been trying to find out how to get a hold of apr_dbd_mysql.so. it's an apache module, and is supposed to come with apache 2.2.8. i don't seem to have it, though. does anyone know about this module?
[02:06] <checkers> hi all, does the latest batch of updates for 8.04 break anything? I noticed it was only a partial upgrade
[02:08] <Black_Magic> Anyone here good with proftpd and gproftpd?
[02:09] <SilverDawn> I can use proftpd
[02:09] <SilverDawn> Whats up
[02:10] <Pelo> evening folks,  anyone else getting this , occasionnaly , when going deep in to a filetree,  the folder background in nautilus gets all fuzzy , like a monitor with the wrong refresh rate, but just the background in the nautilus windows, not the icons, not the anything else
[02:10] <Pelo> SilverDawn, you don'T want to be able to use it ???
[02:11] <SilverDawn> Pelo, .....
 Anyone here good with proftpd and gproftpd?
[02:12]  * Pelo gets easily confused when jumping into the middle of a convo 
[02:12] <Black_Magic> SilverDawn: Yea...I need help i cant get gproftpd to launch..
[02:12] <SilverDawn> Black_Magic, Thats... strange
[02:12] <SilverDawn> IVe never used proftpd
[02:13] <SilverDawn> err
[02:13] <SilverDawn> the gtk frontend
[02:13] <SilverDawn> :|
[02:13] <Black_Magic> :/
[02:13] <SilverDawn> Why do you need to use the gtk front?
[02:16] <mneptok> why ia anyone still using FTP?
[02:16] <peeja> where can I get a libc with debug symbols?
[02:16] <mneptok> *is
[02:17] <SilverDawn> Because ftp is easy?
[02:17] <Luckrider> ftp is easy but slow
[02:18] <SilverDawn> Ehhhh
[02:18] <SilverDawn> If your doing local file transfers with it
[02:18] <SilverDawn> Its not slow
[02:18] <Luckrider> we have an ftp server at school, it is 256kbps
[02:18] <Luckrider> then there is a normal server at 100mb/s
[02:19] <Luckrider> althought
[02:19] <Luckrider> the ftp  server is windows
[02:19] <mneptok> FTP is easy? compared to what?
[02:19] <SilverDawn> Well the one i use for running local stuff runs at 4mb/s
[02:19] <SilverDawn> Compared to samba lol, Or setting up apache
[02:19] <Luckrider> that isn't that bad
[02:19] <Luckrider> yeah
[02:19] <Dr_willis> i just use ssh and scp.
[02:19] <Dr_willis> and sshfs :)
[02:19] <SilverDawn> liar!
[02:19] <Luckrider> But... in the cisco room, the Fedora server is 100mb/s
[02:19] <mneptok> SilverDawn: it's damned hard compared to SFTP, which is encrypted
[02:19] <SilverDawn> You use samba
[02:20] <SilverDawn> Dr_willis, your the one who suggested fusesmb or what ever its called
[02:20] <SilverDawn> lol
[02:20] <Dr_willis> i use that also
[02:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:20] <Dr_willis> it depends on the need
[02:20] <mneptok> FTP in 2008 is very, very wrong.
[02:20] <Dr_willis> If i need to get some files from the windows box to a linux box real fast..  i use winscp on windows,  to get the stuff over.
[02:21] <mneptok> unless you need to privide access to a file library to anonymous users that can't figure out a web browser
[02:21] <SilverDawn> mneptok, wanna know somethin sad
[02:22] <SilverDawn> I had to use ftp originally because the person who i knew didnt know how to operate anything outside of a terminal, They couldnt use most of the newer apps either like links or w3m
[02:22] <SilverDawn> They could use basic ftp
[02:22] <SilverDawn> and thats... about it for net tools
[02:22] <SilverDawn> lol
[02:22] <Dr_willis> mc can work as a ftp client. :)
[02:22] <mneptok> SilverDawn: scp runs in a terminal
[02:22] <SilverDawn> God one of these days i need to switch linux distros.... These meta packages are pissing me off....
[02:22] <SilverDawn> errr whoops
[02:22] <Luckrider> lol.
[02:23] <SilverDawn> Didnt actually mean for that to come out entirely... i was just ranting....
[02:23] <SilverDawn> :\
[02:23] <Sergeant_Pony> too late
[02:23] <Luckrider> wow, that alternat looks sick
[02:24] <SilverDawn> Does anyone here use anything aside from ubuntu? For anythin
[02:24]  * mneptok uses OBSD m68k
[02:24] <Sergeant_Pony> huh?
[02:24] <Sergeant_Pony> aai use freebsd and Fedora Core
[02:24] <Luckrider> I used to use Fedora, and windows
[02:24] <Dr_willis> ive tested out sidux and mandriva recently
[02:25] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu beats them both in most areas.
[02:25] <Luckrider> It has been more than a year since fedora though
[02:25] <Luckrider> yup, that is why I use Ubuntu
[02:25] <SilverDawn> Is sidux that bad?
[02:25] <Luckrider> bbl
[02:25] <Dr_willis> Sidux is useable..
[02:25] <SilverDawn> I just wish there was a way to use ubuntu without all the massive metas and the slowness.... I find ubuntu to be slower then most dists im used too
[02:25] <Dr_willis> has some neat features.. but a lot of odd 'quirks/attitudes in the support rooms'
[02:26] <Dr_willis> I cant recall seeing any differance in speed in the different disrtos.
[02:26] <SilverDawn> Well, Slackware is much faster in my opinion, Atleast it was way back when
[02:26] <SilverDawn> Might not be anymore
[02:26] <SilverDawn> lol
[02:26] <Dr_willis> You can always just install what you want. Thers several minimal-ubuntu things out.
[02:27] <Dr_willis> I tested out slackware/slax/someslax variants a few months ago... and they dont doo what i want. :)
[02:27] <Dr_willis> the latest slax live cd is very nicely done however.
[02:28] <SilverDawn> Bleh, Slax
[02:28] <SilverDawn> I remember wasting many a cds on that
[02:28] <SilverDawn> lol
[02:28] <SilverDawn> Trying to build my own distro out of crappy modules that didnt work
[02:29] <SilverDawn> theres just so many distros now
[02:29] <SilverDawn> i wish there was like... 1 difinitive distro sometimes
[02:29] <Dr_willis> Then you would be wishing there were more....
[02:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:29] <mneptok> what about one "definitive" one instead? :P
[02:30] <Dr_willis> 'one disrto to bind them all'
[02:30] <Dr_willis> 'the return of the tux'
[02:30] <SilverDawn> Exactly@
[02:31] <mneptok> one distro would be terrible
[02:31] <SilverDawn> Or it could be like god
[02:31] <SilverDawn> :\
[02:31] <lamalex> it would absolutely suck
[02:31] <Dr_willis> Yea.. sure..........
[02:31]  * Dr_willis backs away slowly from SilverDawn 
[02:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:31] <SilverDawn> lol
[02:32] <Dr_willis> Varity and Flexibility is the core of what makes linux so strong. :)
[02:32] <SilverDawn> True
[02:32] <SilverDawn> But... I really do wish ubuntu wasnt so... metapkgy
[02:32] <mneptok> why?
[02:32] <SilverDawn> Debian is uselessly complex desktop most of the time it seems....
[02:33] <SilverDawn> Ehh
[02:33] <Dr_willis> SilverDawn,  thats rather vague of you.
[02:33] <SilverDawn> lol
[02:33] <SilverDawn> Well
[02:33] <mneptok> what is the real-world case where this is blocking productivity?
[02:33] <SilverDawn> Go try to remove ekiga
[02:33] <SilverDawn> Doesnt need to be productivity
[02:33] <SilverDawn> Just something i dont like
[02:33] <SilverDawn> lol
[02:33] <Dr_willis> metapacages are there to make isntalling a given setup. easier.. thats about it.
[02:33] <Dr_willis> the fact that you break 'ubuntu-desktop' means very little.
[02:34] <mneptok> you know, i may be totally off-base here, but i personally find it easier to type punctuation marks than "lol" :P
[02:34] <Dr_willis> well 'remove' ubuntu-desktop is the proper term
[02:34] <SilverDawn> well, Okay i mean like...
[02:34] <SilverDawn> If you wanted to remove liblaunchpad-integration1
[02:34] <SilverDawn> Or something
[02:34] <SilverDawn> It tries to remove everything down to xchat
[02:35] <mneptok> so?
[02:35] <SilverDawn> so it shouldnt
[02:35] <SilverDawn> =\
[02:35] <mneptok> if you don;t want LP integration, don;t use Ubuntu
[02:35] <mneptok> it's the dev framework app and bug tracker.
[02:44] <Dr_willis> so removing a package that Everything depends on - results in the other packages also gettibng removed... err.. that like a core featureof the apt-get system :)
[02:45] <Dr_willis>  liblaunchpad-integration1  - is a very core differance from Ubuntu and debian is it? or does debian have a simielr thing?
[02:47] <RAOF> No, debian doesn't have anything similar.
[02:47] <recon69> hmm, latested update is going to remove compiz-core , ﻿compiz-gnome , ﻿compiz-plugins and a couple of other packages from my machine
[02:47] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu is slowly growing farther and farther from the debian  tree. :)
[02:47] <Dr_willis> which i thinkis a good thing.
[02:47] <Luckrider> that is because it replaces it with a new version
[02:48] <Luckrider> I did mine this afternoon
[02:48] <Luckrider> about 6 hours ago
[02:48] <Luckrider> recon69
[02:48] <Luckrider> did you get all of that?
[02:49] <recon69> well, i'll look forward to seeing the improvements tomorrow , getting late
[02:49] <Luckrider> oh
[02:49] <Luckrider> what time zone are you in?
[02:49] <recon69> pushing 3am here
[02:49] <Luckrider> it is almost 10pm here (2000 hours)
[02:49] <Luckrider> oh
[02:49] <Luckrider> wow
[02:49] <Luckrider> that is late
[02:49] <Luckrider> Europe?
[02:49] <Luckrider> no
[02:49] <recon69> uk
[02:49] <Luckrider> wait
[02:49] <Luckrider> yeah
[02:50] <Luckrider> west of gmt
[02:50] <Luckrider> by 2 hours
[02:50] <recon69> well, london is gmt , +1 summer time
[02:50] <Luckrider> oh
[02:50] <Luckrider> ok
[02:51] <recon69> or is it -1 , always get it mixed up
[02:51] <Luckrider> I see, same as daylight saving here in the US
[02:51] <Luckrider> some thing like that
[02:51] <usser> isnt 10pm 2200 hours
[02:51] <icanhasadmin> is there any reason not to use apt-get dist-upgrade as opposed to the GI?
[02:51] <recon69> night all
[02:51] <Luckrider> night
[02:52] <Luckrider> not really icanhasadmin
[02:52] <Dr_willis> the GI can handle some specific cases better I hear.
[02:52] <Luckrider> I prefer the gui
[02:52] <x1250> 3d games are not responding after a while for me. ATI + Fglrx, repository drivers. Anyone else with problem with games?
[02:53] <icanhasadmin> GI seems to take more cpu for me. also it complains about broken dependencies when i have none.
[02:53] <mneptok> x1250: yes. most ATI users, actually. :P
[02:53] <x1250> After a while I have to CTRL+ALT+BCK_SPC
[02:53] <x1250> naah, this dont happen to me on debian
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> x1250: overheating in the GPU?
[02:53] <T1m0thy> Is it a known issue that Intel 3945 just randomly stops working?
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> T1m0thy: I heard some reports, yes
[02:54] <usser> on hardy it has some problems since they introduced new driver
[02:54] <T1m0thy> Okay.
[02:54] <mneptok> T1m0thy: Intel wireless has been buympy the past few days. at least for me.
[02:54] <T1m0thy> Same. :'(
[02:54] <x1250> I guess if it was the case I should see artifacts or have a hard lock? Dont know really, but the game just freezes on menus or map changes...
[02:54] <x1250> strange if you ask me :)
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> x1250: oh, its not a hard lock?
[02:56] <x1250> nope! just the game, I can get out of gnome, but not the game so a CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE is mandatory
[02:56] <Black_Magic> Uhm....Hello anyone can help me with proftpd?
[02:56] <x1250> the game just never responds again
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> odd, you aren't running compiz are you?
[02:56] <x1250> yes but I disable it when executing 3d apps
[02:58] <x1250> this happens at least on doom3 and nexuiz, and well, they're the only games I have, so I can say it happens on every game I have :)
[02:59] <x1250> I should be playing doom3, damnit. Just downloaded it today...
[02:59] <icanhasadmin> !piracy
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[03:00] <T1m0thy> Oh my gosh. The 3945 is horrible.
[03:01] <x1250> aahh right :$
[03:01] <Black_Magic> Uhm....Everytime i try and mess with my user on gproftpd it says no home dir for the ftp access...so i change the dir click apply and then it goes back to none..
[03:01] <mneptok> Black_Magic: why not just use SFTP?
[03:01] <cybojanek> Hi
[03:02] <icanhasadmin> yo
[03:02] <Black_Magic> mneptok: Because i just spent 3 days working out most of bugs in proftpd...
[03:02] <mneptok> Black_Magic: that's an excuse, not a reason.
[03:02] <Black_Magic> mneptok: Because i so far like Proftpd
[03:03] <mneptok> Black_Magic: SFTP is about 4765871235613287465 times easier to setup, and far, far more secure.
[03:03] <Black_Magic> mneptok: Err....Gproftpd has a GUI...
[03:03] <mneptok> Black_Magic: unencrypted protocols are *so* 1990s
[03:03] <Black_Magic> that was easy to understand
[03:04] <Black_Magic> mneptok: My first server im fine stop advertising please ;)
[03:04] <mneptok> Black_Magic: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[03:04] <mneptok> done.
[03:04] <Black_Magic> Proftp can work with SSL SSH and all those
[03:04] <mneptok> Black_Magic: i'm not advertising. i'm telling you this from someone with a LOT of experience.
[03:05] <Black_Magic> mneptok: Sometimes the things You use you just use because it was the first you ever used and you get used to it
[03:05] <Black_Magic> like that old Apple that had 6MB of ram ;)
[03:05] <Luckrider> lol, that is old
[03:05] <mneptok> Black_Magic: if it's taken you 3 days to tweak proftpd, and it's still not right, i humbly submit that you're not "used to it"
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Black_Magic, but he didn't say it was the first thing he used.  chances are he's recommending it because it's actually pretty good
[03:06] <Black_Magic> mneptok: Ive been playing around with settings -.-
[03:06] <Black_Magic> Daisuke_Ido: Ill try that FTP server im just using the one i already set up
[03:06] <mneptok> Black_Magic: SFTP is not FTP.
[03:06] <Black_Magic> SSL FTP i know
[03:07] <mneptok> Black_Magic: no ...
[03:07] <mneptok> FTP over SSH
[03:07] <mneptok> it does not use SSL, which requires certs
[03:07] <Black_Magic> mneptok: Why dont you just tell me what it is and explain so i can stop talking and just listen
[03:07] <mneptok> it's a file transfer protocol extension to ssh
[03:08] <Black_Magic> Oh ok
[03:08] <mneptok> you install an ssh server, and you can instantly login and use the machine. with the correct privileges intact. and encrypted.
[03:08] <T1m0thy> These isn't a ticket for the 3945 driver.. :\ I wouldn't know what to write on it.
[03:08] <mneptok> much, MUCH better than FTP.
[03:08] <T1m0thy> *there
[03:08] <Black_Magic> OK IM GETTING it get the Gorrila off my back NOW!
[03:09] <Iburnaga> I should have waited for the supported 8.04 T.T
[03:09] <Iburnaga> Now I'm stuck with a live cd.
[03:09] <Black_Magic> ah well not in repos...
[03:09] <Black_Magic> so i guess not supported
[03:10] <mneptok> Black_Magic: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[03:10] <Black_Magic> i already have it....
[03:10] <mneptok> Black_Magic: that's all there is to it.
[03:10] <Zambezi> I have to run 2.6.24-10-generic to have sound at all. Really odd.
[03:11] <Black_Magic> Zambezi: the -15 doesnt work the newest well the latest one?
[03:11] <mneptok> Black_Magic: so open a Nautilus window and type "sftp://yourhostname" in the address bar
[03:11] <Black_Magic> i connected to my self :/
[03:11]  * icanhasadmin coughs pulseaudio coughs
[03:12] <mneptok> Black_Magic: you need to use the hostname or IP of the server
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: yeah.... pulseaudio == throwup
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:12] <Black_Magic> mmhmm and crashpad.no-ip.biz is it
[03:12] <Black_Magic> i had to use my login for server other than that im connected to /...
[03:13] <mneptok> Black_Magic: correct, you use the login credentials of the remote host
[03:13] <Black_Magic> so basically im just ftping my Hardrive....
[03:13] <Black_Magic> i dont trust people with access to /...
[03:13] <mneptok> that's why there are Unix file permissions
[03:14] <Black_Magic> Ill just sitck with Proftpd i will not give access to my hardrive with ftp..
[03:14] <Black_Magic> ill just use it privately
[03:16] <Black_Magic> anyways cant i just ssh <My IP> or crashpad.no-ip.biz
[03:17] <usser> thats the idea
[03:18] <Black_Magic> lol.....
[03:18] <Black_Magic> Well thx for the tip ill be sure to use it on my Windows machine....
[03:18] <Black_Magic> atleast try...
[03:19] <usser> what are u trying to do anyway?
[03:19] <icesword> anyone running hardy,how much resource is it using with no program running
[03:20] <ShiftyPowers> anyone find that hardy's gdm takes a while to start up upon boot?
[03:20] <ShiftyPowers> mine sits on the spinning wheel for quite some time
[03:20] <ShiftyPowers> before given me the login screen
[03:20] <IdleOne> ShiftyPowers: how long?
[03:21] <ShiftyPowers> about 1 min
[03:21] <icesword> anyone running hardy,how much resource is it using with no program running
[03:21] <bazookatooth> i'm about to install on a macbook pro
[03:21] <IdleOne> ShiftyPowers: takes my machine about 35 to 40 seconds to boot
[03:21] <icesword> anyone running hardy,how much resource is it using with no program running
[03:22] <ShiftyPowers> well this is after boot
[03:22] <ShiftyPowers> it's right when gdm is started up
[03:22] <ShiftyPowers> used to be very fast, NVIDIA logo would show and then bam login screen
[03:22] <ShiftyPowers> no more
[03:22] <ShiftyPowers> interesting but not critical to fix for me
[03:22] <icesword> anyone running hardy,how much resource is it using with no program running
[03:22] <kubrick_> icesword, ~170 mb on boot
[03:22] <IdleOne> !patience | icesword
[03:22] <ubotu> icesword: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:23] <icesword> kubrick_, :(
[03:23] <icesword> just another vista,lol
[03:23] <kubrick_> icesword, , when I disable icons from the desktop, and turn off a bunch of other unnecessary things that are loaded at boot time by default, I can get it down to ~120 mb.
[03:24] <mneptok> !repeat > icesword
[03:24] <icesword> mnemo, hehe,how are you doing
[03:25] <icesword> mneptok, hehehe,how are you
[03:25] <mneptok> not bad
[03:25] <kubrick_> icesword, um, yes, as the functionality of our operating systems increases, so will their size (disk space and RAM).  Do you expect an OS that can interact with two dozen gadgets from printers to digital cameras to ipods, and that has wizbang graphics, to be able to load under 50 mb?
[03:26] <icesword> kubrick_, naaaa,i run debian sid in 76m ram,lol.but now the display broked
[03:26] <kubrick_> It's the nature of the beast.  If you want a small memory footprint, I suggest MS-DOS.  Just don't expect it to be able to DO anything.
[03:26] <Sergeant_Pony> lol
[03:26] <mneptok> you can't compare Linux and Windows by the memory usage they report. they handle memory entirely differently.
[03:26] <icesword> dos is good.no virus,hahaha
[03:27] <mneptok> you clearly never used DOS
[03:27] <icesword> mneptok, i used it to format disk only
[03:28] <icesword> and fdisk /mbr
[03:28] <mneptok> there are plenty of DOS virii
[03:28] <Zambezi> Who thought you can compare Linux and Windows memoryusages?
[03:29] <icesword> ?
[03:30]  * IdleOne points to mneptok 
[03:30] <IdleOne> :)
[03:30] <Zambezi> If you think Windows and Linux handles memory the same way, then Hardy, isn't a suitable OS...
[03:30] <icesword> haha
[03:30] <Sergeant_Pony> hehe
[03:31] <IdleOne> Zambezi: if mneptok [mneptok] n=mneptok@canonical/support/mneptok does not know about linux then nobody here does either
[03:32] <kubrick_> His real issue was the amount of memory usage.  I say, who cares?  You can get a desktop computer with 1 gb of ram for $500 these, and that's what your average home user is purchasing.  There is simply no market pressure to design an OS that uses <100 mb ram.
[03:32] <icesword> naaaa,huheeee
[03:32] <Zambezi> I think he does IdleOne.
[03:32] <IdleOne> yeah he does
[03:32] <IdleOne> anyway night folks
[03:33] <IdleOne> bonne nuit mneptok
[03:34] <icesword> kubrick_, $500 laptop or desktop what brand
[03:36] <Zambezi> Anyone know when the sound is working again in Hardy? I have to use an old kernel to have sound.
[03:36] <ethana2> works fine here
[03:36] <ethana2> latest
[03:36] <kubrick_> icesword, A Dell Inspiron.
[03:36] <ethana2> there was one bad kernel
[03:36] <ethana2> that was a while ago
[03:36] <Zambezi> ethana2: I have to use a very old kernel. At least like five steps back.
[03:36] <icesword> kubrick_, what ?os is ubuntu?
[03:36] <ethana2> holy
[03:37] <ethana2> Zambezi: what sound card?
[03:37] <Zambezi> ethana2: Soundblaster Live and I activated the onboard and removed the SB. That didn't help.
[03:37] <ethana2> hmmmm
[03:37] <Zambezi> ethana2: I had a disable-icon on the mastervolume.
[03:37] <ethana2> I have no idea
[03:37] <ethana2> sorry..
[03:38] <kubrick_> icesword, it comes with XP or Vista, but you can put whatever OS you want on it.
[03:38] <Zambezi> ethana2: And I couldn't start alsamixer either.
[03:38] <sphinx_> Zambezi, today i had no sound and i comment the file /etc/asound.conf after that i can use old sound from alsa, i'm not sure if this the solution but this work for me
[03:39] <Zambezi> I'm using this right now and the sound works: 2.6.24-10-generic
[03:39] <Zambezi> sphinx_: I have to check in after the game. I'm watching NHL. :-
[03:41] <mneptok> Zambezi: ugh. Habs won. commute will stink.
[03:42] <Zambezi> mneptok: Ducks - Dalls here. And I'm a Swede so it's 04.45 but me and a friend watching both.
[03:47] <icesword> guys, i found this,a simply "g"will direct you to google.com.lol
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> in firefox?
[03:47] <icesword> yaaaaa
[03:49] <icesword> nosrednaekim, is it
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> what?
[03:50] <icesword> "g‘ trick
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> is it what?
[03:52] <icesword> you type g to you adress bar of ff,enter to see
[03:52] <mheath> Heh, in my epiphany it gets you to google too, but thats just because the default action is to search google for 'g' :P
[03:53] <bazookatooth> in your ephiphany?
[03:54] <icesword> no,you can type the name of the server ,it will redirect to it,lol,tooooo much interesing
[03:54] <icesword> now,type map to your ff
[03:54] <mheath> bazookatooth: Yes, epiphany. The GNOME web browser?
[03:55] <bazookatooth> ah.. didn't know anyone used that
[03:55] <icesword> type cambrige to see
[03:55] <sphinx_> this will work for  some char , e.g Y = yahoo
[03:55] <mheath> It uses the exact same backend as Firefox, but integrates much better with the desktop
[03:56] <mneptok> mheath: not for long
[03:56] <mheath> mneptok: Yes, for long.
[03:56] <tgelter> how do I restore notifications coming from the gnome notification area after clicking on the "do not show me this again" button?
[03:56] <icesword> type harvard and see
[03:56] <mneptok> mheath: uh, no. Epiphany has switched to WebKit.
[03:57] <mheath> mneptok: Oh, that. Sorry, I thought you were disagreeing with my statement that it integrates with the desktop better than Firefox.
[03:57] <icesword> type tsinghua and see
[03:57] <icesword> naaa,it is so easy
[03:58] <Killeroid> icesword: when you type in a word in ff's url bar, usually it takes you to the first google search result. so baiscally its like using google's  "i'm feeling lucky" search feature
[03:58] <icesword> Killeroid, ohhh,so it works this way,thx
[03:58] <icesword> B.G.'s ie cannot do this,lol
[04:00] <icesword> i thought this is coz of the name of its server
[04:01] <Ardin> ok, anyone running hardy on an Acer Aspire 3680? i need a xorg.conf that works with xv video output, somehow i fubar'd mine... not even sure how i did it.
[04:02] <bazookatooth> restarting now!  hardy + macbook pro is go
[04:02] <tgelter> how do I restore notifications coming from the gnome notification area after clicking on the "do not show me this again" button?
[04:03] <neur0n> using compiz, my emerald themes arent showing shadows around windows / taskbar. any thoughts?
[04:03] <mheath> tgelter: Thats applicaiton specific. Presumably, you'd tell the application you told to stop notifications to reenable them.
[04:04] <mheath> neur0n: But the rest of the theme is working?
[04:04] <tgelter> mheath: yeah, I thought of that, but I'm dealing with gnome-power-manager...there aren't extensive options
[04:04] <neur0n> mheath: correct
[04:05] <hiredgoon> tgelter: gconf-editor maybe?
[04:05] <mheath> neur0n: Shadows are, I believe, actually a compiz option
[04:05] <bazookatooth> its running very smoothly, but i keep getting weird graphical glitches
[04:05] <mheath> neur0n: They need to be enabled in the Window Decoration plugin in CompizConfig Settings Manager.
[04:05] <tgelter> hiredgoon: can I pm you?
[04:06] <hiredgoon> sure
[04:06] <linkinxp> helloi how i change my workgroup????
[04:06] <neur0n> mheath: its enabled in the manager
[04:06] <neur0n> mheath: : i do not have GL Desktop effects installed if that matters
[04:06] <neur0n> mheath: they are
[04:07] <mheath> Actually, wait, I'm not thinking clearly.....Emerald supersedes the compiz window decoration...
[04:07]  * mheath things
[04:07] <mheath> *thinks
[04:08] <mheath> neur0n: this is hopefully a stupid question, but just incase you haven't considered it: Are you sure your particular emerald theme has them enabled?
[04:09] <mheath> IE, in Emerald Themer -> Themes Settings -> Edit Themes -> Frames/Shadows -> Shadows ?
[04:09] <neur0n> mheath: hehe, yes. i even checked the Shadow/Frame settings of the theme. theyre there
[04:09] <mheath> hmmm
[04:09] <mheath> Thats bizarre. I've never seen that - where everything else is working fine, but shadows aren't despite being enabled.
[04:13] <mheath> neur0n: What graphics card do you have? Is it nvidia?
[04:13] <bjron> is there a way to check a cd for errors w/o having to boot it?
[04:13] <mheath> bjron: Yes; what operating system are you trying to do it from?
[04:14] <bjron> ubuntu
[04:14] <neur0n> mheath: yes.
[04:14] <neur0n> mheath: 8800gtx if that matters
[04:14] <tgelter> bjron: check the md5 fingerprint
[04:14] <mheath> bjron: Are you comfortable with the command line? I'll explain how to do it from their; it'll take me longer to try to explain how to do it via GUI tools.
[04:14] <bjron> tgelter: I know how to to do that for the iso before I burn it - how do I do it after?
[04:15] <linkinxp> is there any GTk- manager?
[04:15] <bjron> mheath: yes, very
[04:15] <mheath> bjron: Find the /dev file that represents your drive. /dev/sda or /dev/hda, etc.
[04:15] <bjron> k
[04:15] <mheath> bjron: Run md5sum on that /dev node.
[04:15] <bjron> mheath: great, thanks
[04:15] <mheath> That will give you the md5sum for the complete disk
[04:15] <mheath> No problem :-)
[04:16] <netdu1> how do I ask for feature? usually just in form of bug but what LP does?
[04:16] <mheath> neur0n: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=715089
[04:16] <mheath> Also, this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/191508
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191508 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[nvidia] compiz doesn't show shadows, works with manual driver install" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:16] <Amaranth> mheath: that should be fixed
[04:17] <tgelter> has anyone else wondered why 70% of updates coming down the pipe don't have an updated changelog?
[04:18] <mheath> Amaranth: Huh?
[04:18] <netdu1> ok am gonna use usual bug report
[04:18] <Amaranth> tgelter: changelog lags behind archive update
[04:18] <neur0n> mheath: crap. i tried that. i installed the driver from the site
[04:18] <tgelter> Amaranth: what do you mean by "archive" update?
[04:18] <bazookatooth> well, ubuntu+1 appears to have locked up my macbook pro os x10.5 for the first time in it's lifespan
[04:18] <bazookatooth> i had to hard reset
[04:19] <Amaranth> mheath: latest l-r-m (i believe it just built) should fix that, the problem was we were stripping the nvidia libraries, their md5sum didn't match the ones from nvidia
[04:19] <Amaranth> tgelter: the archive is where the packages are, it updates at a more rapid interval than the changelog server
[04:19] <mheath> tgelter: the .deb file, is what he means.
[04:19] <mheath> tgelter: The changelog stuff you're referring to aren't contained in the .deb's
[04:20] <Amaranth> bazookatooth: that's funny, i did too just now
[04:20] <tgelter> Amaranth: ah, that makes perfect sense then. I should have known that patience would be the key..in that area I struggle! =)
[04:20] <Amaranth> I actually had to pull the battery
[04:20] <neur0n> mheath: maybe the problem is that i didn't uninstall the older driver
[04:20] <bazookatooth> what were you doing when it happened, amaranth?
[04:20] <neur0n> im gonna try it now
[04:20] <Amaranth> bazookatooth: playing xmoto in windowed mode
[04:20] <sivel27> hello all
[04:21] <sivel27> !pvr
[04:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pvr - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:21] <bazookatooth> i was running the "upgrade" after initially installing
[04:21] <Amaranth> then xchat-gnome froze and compiz stopped responding halfway through an animation then the magic sysrq keys didn't work and the screen got corrupted
[04:21] <Amaranth> so i blame nvidia
[04:21] <mheath> Amaranth: are you sure its the same issue? I'm not directly familiar with it; I just did some searching for neur0n's sake...but I don't see how that bug would be related to stripping the drivers.
[04:21] <sivel27> how can i tell if my pvr card is enabled/identified by ubuntu?
[04:21] <bazookatooth> .. i thought it might have had something to do w/ me disconnecting from my monitor/keyboard/mouse and going to the couch
[04:21] <Amaranth> mheath: well nvidia doesn't strip them for a reason, i'm guessing
[04:22] <Amaranth> mheath: and our nvidia install did not match up with the manual install, that should be fixed now
[04:22] <mheath> Amaranth: I thought it was still different versions?
[04:22] <Amaranth> different versions?
[04:22] <mheath> That is, I thought that, still, Ubuntu didn't ship the latest testing nvidia drivers.
[04:22] <bjron> mheath: it thought for a while and then gave me "md5sum: /dev/scd0: Input/output error".  I take that to mean the disk is no good right?
[04:22] <Amaranth> we have the latest stable nvidia driver
[04:23] <Amaranth> !info nvidia-glx-new hardy
[04:23] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.12-15.33)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 169.12+2.6.24.12-15.33 (hardy), package size 5125 kB, installed size 15224 kB
[04:23] <Amaranth> 169.12
[04:23] <mheath> bjron: No.....
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> lol
[04:23] <mheath> bjron: Thats a bad error. I don't know why you'd be getting that..
[04:24] <mheath> If the disk was bad, you'd still have no problem reading it, you'd just be reading some jumbled contents and thus get an invalid md5sum
[04:24] <bjron> mheath: dang, that's not ideal
[04:24] <bjron> yea
[04:24] <bjron> hmm
[04:24] <mheath> That error means that, for whatever reason, your computer had trouble communicating with the CD-ROM drive and/or telling the drive to read the disk during that
[04:25] <bjron> well, since that's the drive I'm using to burn the disk in the first place, maybe that's why I'm having trouble burning/installing (on a different machine)
[04:25] <mheath> Don't worry; it's probably not a bad problem.
[04:25] <Amaranth> actually disk read errors could be a bad burn too
[04:25] <mheath> bjron: Lets try this...you got a bit of free hard drive space?
[04:25] <bjron> sure
[04:26] <mheath> bjron: "cat /dev/scd0 > ~/temp.iso"
[04:26] <mheath> bjron: then, if that completes successfully, md5sum ~/temp.iso
[04:26]  * bjron nods
[04:27] <bjron> no dice, immediately got an Input/output error
[04:27] <mheath> Hmmm.
[04:27] <bjron> I should try another disk that I know is good
[04:27] <mheath> Sure, give that a try
[04:28] <mheath> OR even just try ejecting and reinserting the current disk
[04:30] <bjron> hmm, that's interesting, now it doesn't mount any disk I put in. . .
[04:30] <bazookatooth> OH MY GOD... my website looks horrible in the new firefox beta.. how is that possible?
[04:30] <bjron> well, not automont anyway
[04:30] <bazookatooth> oh no
[04:31] <bazookatooth> everything looks like i pressed ctrl+ 10 times
[04:31] <mheath> bjron: ouch. Sounds like you might have a bad drive :(
[04:31] <mheath> bjron: At any rate, rebooting the system will likely clear up the drive for at least temporary use, unless something really bad happened.
[04:32] <bjron> meh, doubt anything serious just happened now - it was giving me similar results yesterday when booting the disk and running the cd check: think for a while then unable to read disk
[04:32] <jimmygoon> It is rediculous that I should plug in my laptop, THEN have ubuntu tell me the battery is critically low, and then DESPITE The fact that I JSUT plugged it in.... proceed to shut down
[04:32] <mheath> bazookatooth: What happens if you go to view->zoom->reset?
[04:32] <bazookatooth> every other page looks fine
[04:32] <zeyar> hello
[04:32] <bazookatooth> how does it look to you?  => dealcoupon.com
[04:32] <zeyar> how to set up the evolution mail?
[04:33] <zeyar> i wanna it for aol mail
[04:33] <zeyar> plz,guide ma step by step
[04:33] <bjron> hmm, took it a while but I did convince it to mount manualy
[04:34] <mheath> zeyar: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-283120.html
[04:34] <mheath> zeyar: Google is really helpful; it took me a few seconds searching for "AOL e-mail evolution" to find that.
[04:35] <bjron> oop, dinner time
[04:35] <zeyar> mheath thz a million
[04:35] <AlienX> is there any reason why VLC and mplayer wouldn't play a .mkv file? I have the matroska libraries installed but for some reason I'm only getting audio with VLC :-\
[04:36] <AlienX> and with mplayer, the screen is just black
[04:38] <spanther> ubuntu 8.04 goes black orange ?
[04:41] <snadge> anyone know when hardy is due to be released?
[04:41] <spanther> snadge, just look ubuntu.com x.x
[04:41] <AlienX> snadge, look on ubuntu's website ;)
[04:41] <spanther> 14 days left
[04:42] <Sergeant_Pony> can't wait
[04:42] <spanther> where are these artworks for ubuntus new designs?
[04:42] <luxet__> april 22 isnt it
[04:43] <spanther> i mean i've seen a page once wikipedia like where users gave out ideas with screenshots how the new ubuntu could look like
[04:43] <Sergeant_Pony> I dunno.. wish there was some better desktop wallpaper. Not a big fan of brown
[04:44] <spanther> Sergeant_Pony, just use your own then? :)
[04:45] <luxet__> anyone here tried hardy beta version yet?
[04:45] <Sergeant_Pony> I suppose I could
[04:45] <spanther> its unstable :)
[04:45] <Sergeant_Pony> running it now.. works fine for me
[04:45] <spanther> funny thing in less than 14 days does it come out i mean release but it is unstable now xD
[04:45] <luxet__> many firefox crashes I had
[04:46] <luxet__> alot can happen in 14 days :)
[04:47] <spanther> well :>
[04:47] <bazookatooth> ok... this is too strange   can someone please try and help me recreate this error?  :  using the version of ff that comes w/ hardy... dealcoupon.com looked CRAZY bad... so i installed the beta FF on the mac side, and it looks fine.
[04:47] <luxet__> just patch the bugs and all are well
[04:47] <bazookatooth> i dont get that at all
[04:47] <luxet__> beta on beta = success I guess ;)
[04:48] <bazookatooth> what i see : http://screencast.com/t/NrhmIKS57oM
[04:48] <spanther> xD
[04:48] <bazookatooth> (on the boontu side)
[04:48] <spanther> nobody knows the site where users gave out examples how the new ubuntu 8.04 could look like? Oo
[04:50] <bazookatooth> it looks just like the last version.
[04:50] <DanaG> Is there any way to play a brasero .toc + .bin file without burning it to a disk?
[04:50] <luxet__> bb all
[04:51] <luxet__> ubuntu ftw ^^
[04:51] <mheath> bazookatooth: He's referring to the fact that Ubuntu Hardy originally had, as a planned feature, a complete revamp of the theming
[04:51] <spanther> now i found it myself :/
[04:51] <mheath> bazookatooth: there were some mockups and ideas drawn together by various artists
[04:52] <bazookatooth> ah ok
[04:52] <spanther> http://vdepizzol.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/ubuntu-hardy1.jpg  <-- i wanna have this one :( mac os like clean text and cool grey bars
[04:52] <mheath> Actually, I think it was supposed to be that every LTS would have a new theme
[04:52] <spanther> its the gelatin concept :)
[04:53] <bazookatooth> well, i'm sure you can manage that
[04:53] <Ardin> its ubuntu/hal that does volume management (mount/umount of removable media), not Xfce, correct? i'm trying to figure out how to change that stupid thing so instead of the choices being "mount, eject", they're "mount, unmount"
[04:53] <bazookatooth> w/o much trouble
[04:53] <DanaG> Your microphone is mute?
[04:53] <DanaG> It can't talk?  Dang, I thought microphones could talk.
[04:53] <DanaG> (joke.)
[04:53] <spanther> bazookatooth, you know how to get this gelatin design? :)
[04:53] <spanther> well because i didnt found a download link there
[04:53] <mheath> DanaG: it's a mockup image. Not real
[04:54] <spanther> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/gelatin
[04:54] <spanther> there :)
[04:54] <mheath> DanaG: It appears the person who did it does not speak English
[04:54] <bazookatooth> your microphone... issa mute. hi.
[04:54] <spanther> the menu bar text looks so clean :)
[04:55] <bazookatooth> add awn to that for maximum effect
[04:55] <Ardin> that does look good
[04:55] <spanther> Ardin, yes i know but sadly this design wont be included i think :(
[04:55] <Ardin> damnit :(
[04:56] <bazookatooth> you can do it yourself... thats whats so great about linux/ubuntu
[04:56] <spanther> it looks professional and clean near at mac os
[04:56] <bazookatooth> i made my last install look EXACTLY like a macintosh.. even the boot screen
[04:56] <spanther> bazookatooth, i cant do such things i am not an professional graphic designer or scripter for making fading in and out effects
[04:56] <Ardin> hey bazookatooth, how do i change the boot screen, anyway?
[04:57] <bazookatooth> i forget... search for "make ubuntu look like mac os x"
[04:57] <bazookatooth> it was one huge article by some girl
[04:57] <bazookatooth> http://www.taimila.com/?q=node/11
[04:57] <bazookatooth> there
[04:57] <Ardin> haha thanks
[04:58] <spanther> is that for every ubuntu version? :) or only 7.10 ?
[04:58] <spanther> wah thats the wrong one bazooka :(
[04:58] <Ardin> i can modify it for anything else, i just need somewhere to start from :-P
[04:58] <spanther> just look its white not grey its not this one from my preview pic like new mac os its the old mac design :/
[04:59] <spanther> the new one is dark grey and more modern
[04:59] <Ardin> oh there we go, usplash
[04:59] <Ardin> thanks bazookatooth :-D
[04:59]  * DanaG has his ubuntu like this:
[04:59] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[04:59] <bazookatooth> np.. it makes for a fun weekend project
[04:59] <DanaG> (though that's before the wallpaper tweak.)
[05:00] <Ardin> bazookatooth: meh, i have nothing but time right now... i'm getting paid to be in Kansas and do nothing, so i figure i'll get the ubuntu laptop running smooth
[05:00] <spanther> i wont have "Mac OS X Tiger" design i wanna have "Mac OS X Leopard" design :)
[05:00] <mheath> The tutorial bazookatooth was refering to is a bit old and unclear
[05:00] <bazookatooth> spanther... go buy a mac then
[05:01] <spanther> bazookatooth, eew noes xD
[05:01] <mheath> You really just need the Global Menu hack and a Mac theme (see mac4lin on gnome-look), and AWN
[05:01] <spanther> bazookatooth, proprietary software? never ! :P
[05:01] <RAOF> DanaG: Eh, I like my window base colour a little less neutral :).  But nodoka is quite nice, I should push the ITP a bit harder soon.
[05:01] <mheath> bazookatooth: http://mike.thomas.heath.googlepages.com/Screenshot.png <-- My desktop.
[05:01] <bazookatooth> awn is awesome
[05:02] <bazookatooth> nice :)
[05:02] <spanther> nice one mheath :D
[05:02] <DanaG> ITP?
[05:02] <GuyFromHell> Is there a way to fix a filesystem's timestamps entirely
[05:02] <mheath> The hardest thing to do with that was the GTK global menu bar hack
[05:02] <mheath> As its an unstable, broken thing
[05:02] <DanaG> Dang, every time I see the name Nodoka, I can't help thinking of the character from the various Negima anime and manga series.
[05:02] <nosrednaekim> KDE has one of themby dfualt
[05:02] <GuyFromHell> my hardware clock was off when i installed ubuntu and... yea....
[05:02] <spanther> mheath, do you want to give me a tutorial to make my desktop ubuntu look like yours? :)
[05:03] <DanaG> I like orange.
[05:03] <nosrednaekim> if you want macOSx look, go with KDE and baghira
[05:03] <DanaG> Oh yeah, cool wallpapers: www.vladstudio.com
[05:03] <mheath> spanther: It's not hard. You can get a global menu by following the directions of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/global_menu
[05:03] <spanther> nosrednaekim, KDE is anything other than near at mac x.x
[05:03] <nosrednaekim> spanther: its easier to theme
[05:03] <nosrednaekim> and it has a nice menubar
[05:04] <spanther> mac os looks like one gnome bar at the upper side
[05:04] <mheath> spanther: Those directions don't cover hardy yet; but the forum post it links to does. However; thers no packages for hardy yet, so you have to manually recompile GTK with the patch
[05:04] <nosrednaekim>  /desktopbar
[05:04] <ToddEDM> hey guys, where can i find info on Ubuntu Mobile?.. not here i suppose
[05:04] <mheath> spanther: Other than that, the GTK theme and the Emerald theme are both "mac4lin"
[05:04] <mheath> spanther: and the bar at the bottom is AWN
[05:04] <spanther> mheath, i dont use hardy yet :)
[05:05] <mheath> spanther: In that case, there are packages on that page I linked to for Gutsy.
[05:05] <bazookatooth> you should go ahead and write one before the rush comes... free easy blog hits
[05:06] <spanther> mheath, please write a howto ^^" i am a newbie in these things i am scared about making bad things when working at settings
[05:06] <bazookatooth> you need to break things
[05:06] <bazookatooth> its good for you
[05:06] <mheath> I might. I'll let you know if I do.
[05:07] <bazookatooth> i would suck at computers to this day if i wasn't forced to reinstall my dad's every time i screwed it up
[05:07] <spanther> first let us install awn then :)
[05:07] <bazookatooth> googlecode
[05:07] <DanaG> heh, you google for just Nodoka, and you do get pictures of that character.
[05:07] <DanaG> RAOF: what is "ITP" ?
[05:08] <DanaG> Oh, and note how my progress bars are actually not painfully plain.  I don't know exactly how that happened.
[05:09] <spanther> mheath, oh by the way i dont have nvidia drivers installed yet i use the open drivers ^^
[05:09] <mheath> spanther: You have to have the proprietary drivers.
[05:09] <ToddEDM> anyone here know anything about Ubuntu Mobile?
[05:09] <mheath> spanther: AWN needs desktop effects (compiz).
[05:09] <mheath> ToddEDM: Yes.
[05:09] <spanther> mheath, okay :/ i hope this wont break linux one day (proprietary drivers)
[05:10] <spanther> okay reboot brb :)
[05:10] <mheath> ToddEDM: It's basically Ubuntu + Maemo, packaged for a specific class of Intel small-form hardware.
[05:10] <ToddEDM> mheath:  will it run on a Dell Axim?
[05:11] <mheath> ToddEDM: I looked into it a bunch, as it initially looked promising and cool for my tablet, but eventually found out that it seems like it'll only run on a very certain specialized type of Intel mobile architecture
[05:11] <mheath> ToddEDM: I have no idea.
[05:11] <ToddEDM> damn... i hope so, i better search a lil harder
[05:11] <Ardin> mheath: its being developed on the Samsung Q1 Ultra AFAIR
[05:11] <bazookatooth> can someone please check dealcoupon in FF3B4or5 in hardy heron for me ?  i am trying to recreate my error
[05:12] <Ardin> bazookatooth: linkage?
[05:12] <bazookatooth> dealcoupon.com
[05:12] <RAOF> DanaG: Intent to package - the other side of a Debian "needs packaging" (RFP) bug.
[05:12] <GuyFromHell> Does the KDE4 hardy use pulseaudio?
[05:12] <DanaG> Aah.
[05:12] <Ardin> whats the error bazookatooth
[05:12] <bazookatooth> it looks like garbage on my end
[05:12] <Ardin> hm, looks fine here
[05:12] <spanther> okay nvidia drivers work ^.^
[05:12] <DanaG> Somebody said you can replicate Nodoka with Murrine, but I don't have the gtkrc for it.
[05:13] <bazookatooth> ardin, this is what i see
[05:13] <bazookatooth> http://screencast.com/t/NrhmIKS57oM
[05:13] <Ardin> wow
[05:13] <Ardin> yeah, mine looks just fine
[05:13] <bazookatooth> i have no explanation for that
[05:13] <spanther> mheath, how do i setup awn? :)
[05:13] <DanaG> I wish the brown in the current wallpaper would be tweaked to a more pleasant shade.
[05:14] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah; that would be the _author_ of Murrine.  He's obviously a fine GTK hacker, but perhaps could do with an ounce more diplomacy.
[05:14] <Ardin> hey bazookatooth, i do
[05:14] <bazookatooth> ok shoot
[05:14] <Ardin> reset your zoom levels
[05:14] <DanaG> I remembered that it was the author, but didn't remember his name.
[05:14] <DanaG> http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/03/hardy-heron-wallpaper-fela-kuti-botch.html
[05:14] <Ardin> i just recreated your screenshot
[05:14] <Ardin> by zooming like crazy
[05:14] <bazookatooth> no, thats not the problem
[05:14] <bazookatooth> i know that's what it looks like
[05:14] <bazookatooth> but it only does it on that site, and the zoom is reset
[05:15] <Ardin> hm
[05:15] <spanther> hey guys please help me i never used awn before ^^"
[05:15] <mheath> spanther: First, I just wanted to remind you that this may not be the most 'appropriate' venue to be asking these questions - #ubuntu+1 isn't the best place to be asking how to install third party programs on Hardy.
[05:15] <mheath> spanther: that being said, there are instructions at http://wiki.awn-project.org/DistributionGuides#Gutsy_Gibbon_.287.10.29
[05:15] <spanther> mheath, okay thank you
[05:16] <mheath> spanther: Though, I recommend following the instructions in the section under that - "Testing Package Archive"
[05:16] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah, Andrei (not sure of the first name) Cimitan?
[05:16] <mheath> Erm
[05:16] <Ardin> quick, dapper was before edgy, right?
[05:16] <mheath> *isn't the best place to be asking how to install third party programs on _gutsy_.
[05:16] <mheath> Ardin: Yep
[05:16] <Ardin> k, just making sure.
[05:16] <mheath> Ardin: From dapper on, they're in alphabetic order.
[05:17] <bjron> ah, well, the good news is it was actually the disk(s)  I was using causing the IO errors
[05:17] <mheath> Dapper, Edgy, Feisty, Gutsy, Hardy, Intrepid-something..
[05:17] <Ardin> k. sorry, only used fiesty, gutsy, and hardy.
[05:17] <bjron> tried an even older disk that I *knew* had worked for an install and was able to md5sum on both camputers - my new one caused the same io error on both comps.
[05:18] <bjron> the bad news is, it seems every disk I burn on this computer has this problem - any tips on how to not burn coasters?
[05:18] <bjron> I tried burning at 1X :(
[05:19] <bazookatooth> ok i give up.
[05:19] <bazookatooth> hopefully none of my users will be able to recreate it eityher
[05:19] <Ardin> heh
[05:20] <bazookatooth> im gonna go ahead and blame FF though
[05:20] <Ardin> mk, time for some image digging
[05:20] <Ardin> gotta find a suitable boot image i think
[05:20] <bazookatooth> i can't remember why i installed ubuntu again in the first place.. i have a mac for christ's sake
[05:21] <Ardin> haha bazookatooth you missed us
[05:21] <bazookatooth> maybe so
[05:21] <bazookatooth> i missed feeling useful by getting something to work that should work already XD  jk
[05:22] <Ardin> lol
[05:29] <r0bby> are some of the mirrors not getting packages?
[05:29] <r0bby> I'm getting errors about missing packages
[05:36] <bjron> meh, third time's the charm I guess, burned and md5sum matches n everything - now lets hope it'll actually install on my laptop :p
[05:36] <Adremelech> <3 Heron :D
[05:38] <Ardin> dude, thought you said heroin
[05:38] <Ardin> i was like "whoa man, this is a linux channel"
[05:38] <mitch31122> Does anyone know how to adjust the hide delay on gnome panels.  The gconf editor says the panel_hide_delay is deprecated.
[05:39] <Adremelech> lol Ardin
[05:40] <dolags32128> hey room....anyone had any problems with the beta so far?
[05:40] <Ardin> dolags32128: nothing unusual for ubuntu
[05:40] <tanner> bunches
[05:40] <Ardin> ok people, time for me to run to the gas station, i need smokes, pop, and smokes
[05:40] <Adremelech> i havent had any problems with ubuntu per say, more so with restricted driverts
[05:40] <T1m0thy> dolags32128, Intel 3945 has problems sometimes.
[05:41] <dolags32128> anyone use the amd64 version?
[05:41] <Adremelech> no, but i thought about installing it
[05:41] <mitch31122> I'm using amd64 version
[05:41] <tanner> i am using it as well
[05:41] <mitch31122> It's been great after initial install hurdles with graphics cards.  No 64 specific problems.
[05:41] <Adremelech> i have to use ndiswrapper, which i dislike setting up
[05:42] <dolags32128> crap crap terminal just crashed updating.....
[05:42] <Adremelech> so i havent switched from i386 yet
[05:42] <tanner> biggest problems revolve with flash and playing videos that use 32bit codecs
[05:42] <dolags32128> what do i do?
[05:43] <Adremelech> dolags32128, try again?
[05:43] <RAOF> tanner: There 'aint no 32bit codecs ;)
[05:43] <mitch31122> Ooo... I haven't played a lot of video yet.
[05:43] <Adremelech> tanner, although i do have problems with flash every once in a while
[05:43] <dolags32128> i could try that... i got the error Unpacking replacement dpkg ...
[05:43] <dolags32128> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:43] <dolags32128>  /cdrom//pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg-dev_1.14.16.6ubuntu3_all.deb
[05:43] <dolags32128> Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/53-monospace-lcd-filter.conf", line 17: invalid constant used : legacy
[05:45] <dolags32128> now i'm getting a ton of errors
[05:46] <dolags32128> now it's finishing?
[05:46]  * dolags32128 is throughly confused
[05:46] <spanther> yay got it :D
[05:47] <Adremelech> lol, is that a rhetorical question dolags32128, since we dont know whats happening?
[05:47] <spanther> mheath, thank you very much for your information about mac4lin on gnome-look ^^
[05:47] <mheath> spanther: no problem.
[05:47] <dolags32128> pretty much....lol like three programs crashed and now it's working again
[05:48] <spanther> mheath, well yeah but the title bar is blue now and not brushed silver with mac buttons :)
[05:50] <dolags32128> brb gonna reboot wish me luck
[05:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> emerald (from git) couldn't compile successfully with libcairo.so.2.17.2 which is offered by hardy
[05:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> dont know if anyone noticed that
[05:53] <secret901> what command do I use to reinstall alsa from source?
[05:56] <dolags32128> ok back everyting is back to normal :-)
[05:59] <snadge> is firefox 3 going to be ready for release or not?
[05:59] <snadge> or will it be slipped in as an update? ;)
[05:59] <secret901> why would they include beta software in their final release?
[06:00] <snadge> i dont know.. because it was supposed to be ready?
[06:00] <secret901> Firefox won't be out until June
[06:00] <snadge> i see
[06:00] <snadge> so the latest beta will be included.. but 2.0.0.13 or whatever will be the default
[06:00] <secret901> it's so annoying, I can't use my extensions
[06:00] <secret901> and I can't revert back to my old version
[06:00] <snadge> im pretty happy with the beta to be honest
[06:01] <snadge> its faster on my crappy 6 year old 2ghz p4
[06:01] <snadge> like.. noticeably
[06:01] <kekii> Hi guys. I'm trying to use ndiswrapper for my wireless card. however, i dont see a .inf and a .sys in the installation folder....and when i go download the driver from website, it's just a setup file. how do i get the .inf and .sys?
[06:01] <secret901> it seems faster but the extensions aren't ready
[06:01] <kekii> Hi guys. I'm trying to use ndiswrapper for my wireless card. however, i dont see a .inf and a .sys in the installation folder....and when i go download the driver from website, it's just a setup file. how do i get the .inf and .sys?
[06:01] <snadge> i am able to use ad block plus.. the only extension i care about
[06:02] <secret901> snadge: Adblock plus is hit-and-miss for me; sometimes it work and sometimes it doesn't work
[06:02] <secret901> for some reason
[06:02] <dolags32128> arrgh i have the new episode of the office recorded but can't watch it until tomorrow :-(
[06:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> install firefox-2 if u dont like to use the beta
[06:03] <secret901> I can't get sound to work in this new upgrade; I was able to get it to work by reinstalling alsa from source, anyone know which command to use to reinstall from source?
[06:03] <secret901> [Hardy]TuTUXG: how do you install firefox-2 officially within Hardy?
[06:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> secret901, search synaptic it should be there
[06:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> secret901, enable the restricted and universe repos first
[06:04] <bjron> Hey, so I'm installing Hardy on my laptop, at the partitioning step and the first option (Guided) is selected but it's unclear to me if this will install over my dapper installation (which is what I want) or if it's going to try to squeeze hardy onto the 3.5 gb of free space at the end of the drive.
[06:04] <bjron> I would choose whole disk, but I don't want to blast my windows partition as well :p
[06:04] <secret901> [Hardy]TuTUXG: would it allow two versions of Firefox simultaneously?
[06:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> secret901, yes
[06:05] <DanaG> Ridiculous:  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316654
[06:05] <ubotu> Gnome bug 316654 in general "no ability to configure the different screensavers" [Minor,Resolved: wontfix]
[06:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> they use diff dir for plugins and stuff
[06:05] <DanaG> Quite ridiculous.
[06:05] <Aval0n> anyone know a way from cli to get tempature of gfx card gpu?
[06:05]  * DanaG ﻿goes off and runs the flux screensaver at 100% cpu usage, not "nice", and 500FPS --- because that's the defaults.
[06:06] <DanaG> Aval0n: if it's nvidia, there's nvclock.
[06:06] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> it's in the universe repo
[06:06] <secret901> what command do I use to recompile alsa from source?
[06:06] <Aval0n> cool ty
[06:06] <Aval0n> that's cli and not in X?
[06:06] <secret901> or the kernel?
[06:06] <DanaG> Yup.
[06:06] <DanaG> !info nvclock
[06:06] <ubotu> nvclock (source: nvclock): Allows you to overclock your nVidia card under GNU/Linux. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8b3-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 49 kB, installed size 188 kB
[06:07] <Aval0n> ty
[06:07] <DanaG> Oh, and about that gnome-screensaver: the defaults for the rss-glx screensaver actually present a health risk.  Solarwinds is set to "random" by default -- which includes the nauseating AND seizure-inducing "jiggly" preset.
[06:08]  * DanaG goes off to seize and puke at solarwinds.
[06:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Aval0n, nvidia-settings -q [gpu:0]/GPUCoreTemp | grep '):' | awk '{print $4}' | sed 's/\.//'
[06:09] <DanaG> That wouldn't work for me -- my nvidia card doesn't give temps to nvidia-settings.
[06:09] <Aval0n> => GPU temperature: 95C
[06:09] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, it's becuz ur card doesnt have the temp sensor
[06:09] <Aval0n> I'm thinking that's a little high?
[06:09] <Aval0n> lol
[06:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Aval0n, imo that's pretty high
[06:10] <Aval0n> it's a passivly cooled card
[06:10] <Aval0n> case temp is 35C though
[06:10] <Aval0n> cpu temp 36C
[06:10] <secret901> anyone know how I can recompile the kernel that came with Ubuntu?
[06:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> how about in the gui mode of nvidia-settings?
[06:10] <spanther> ah got it now its fine hehe :) just need to know how i can switch the minimize maximize and close buttons to the left side and how to change the ubuntu icon into a apple :)
[06:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> my is around 55-57c and it's a laptop
[06:11] <Aval0n> it was also 90
[06:11]  * DanaG goes off an applies the gnome-screensaver bug to a donut shop:
[06:11] <Aval0n> yeah no fan on this card
[06:11] <Aval0n> your laptop card has a fan
[06:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> it does
[06:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> what card is that?
[06:11] <DanaG> Instead of letting you choose what type of donut you want, it selects randomy .... including several glass and brick ones, and some that bounce like Flubber and break everything in the store.
[06:11] <Aval0n> 7300gs
[06:11] <Aval0n> with hdmi
[06:11] <DanaG> Since apparently, people don't need choices....
[06:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i heard somewhere it's better not let ur gcard exceed 100c
[06:12] <Aval0n> hmm
[06:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> or it may cuz some damage
[06:12] <Aval0n> wonder why on earth it's so high
[06:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i dont know it's true or not
[06:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Aval0n, have u overclocked it?
[06:13] <Aval0n> no
[06:13] <Aval0n> stock
[06:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> how about under other os?
[06:14] <Aval0n> never tried it
[06:14] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> like "cough" "$indows" "cough"
[06:14] <Aval0n> hah
[06:14] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> or other distro
[06:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> or try some older driver
[06:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> these days hardy upgrades like crazy...
[06:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i think i have seen more than 300 upgrades in less than 3 days
[06:19] <Lunks> It's better to wait if you don't like it. ;P
[06:20] <Lunks> Just ignore them
[06:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[06:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i am not saying i dont like that it's just iv never seen something like this happening since i started test hardy (alpha 4)
[06:21] <bjron> so does anyone here know if Guided partitioning will install over my 6.06 installation?
[06:21] <Lunks> f'Aval0n: I've got my GPU@75-85C
[06:21] <xx0xx> hey. what package i need to compile perl?
[06:22] <DanaG> My GPU is 51 C.
[06:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> apt-get build-dep perl?
[06:22] <Lunks> and it's a notebook. :D
[06:22] <DanaG> And it's not idle.
[06:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, lol
[06:22] <DanaG> Interestingly, Gateway makes my laptop keep both fans on when it's on AC.
[06:22] <DanaG> Even if the ACPI temperature is 9 C.
[06:22] <Lunks> lol
[06:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, how about ur cpu temp
[06:23] <DanaG> I woke up the laptop from sleep this morning.
[06:23] <DanaG> ACPI: 9 C.  Intel Core: 15 C.  GPU: 33 C.
[06:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ...
[06:23] <Lunks> I haven't located where my GPU is so far by checking it's heat
[06:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> and it's a gateway?
[06:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[06:23] <Lunks> f'Aval0n: where do you live?
[06:23] <DanaG> Needless to say, the room was very cold.
[06:23] <Ardin> bjron: you need to upgrade in incriments. 6.06, 6.10,fiesty,gutsy,hardy
[06:23] <Lunks> Yeah =P
[06:23] <spanther> how to install new fonts i've downloaded before?
[06:23] <DanaG> ﻿CPU was idle, but Compiz was doing 3D cube.
[06:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> never ever seen a laptop with temp like that
[06:23] <xx0xx> [Hardy]TuTUXG i still getting error.
[06:23] <xx0xx>  :/home/st3v3n/NeoStats-3.0.1/src/perl.c:441: undefined reference to `Perl_Tst
[06:23] <xx0xx>   ack_base_ptr'
[06:24] <Lunks> I live near Rio, and it's kinda hot here all the time
[06:24] <Lunks> HD starts (when it's really cold) at smth like 25C
[06:24] <Lunks> right now it's on 53C =P
[06:25] <DanaG> My CPU idles at 44 to 50 C; max load temp is 63 (or 66, tops).
[06:25] <DanaG> A bit of odd code in the DSDT:
[06:25] <DanaG> "If temperature is less than 40, show 40."
[06:25] <DanaG> (that's not the literal line, but that's what it did.)
[06:27] <DanaG> Laptop is Gateway M685.  Shoddy construction on the lid -- I had to stick a stainless-steel RULER inside the top of the lid to reinforce it, and the hinge screws lack thread adhesive.
[06:28] <DanaG> Argh.  A file transfer just randomly stalled.
[06:28] <bjron> nm, once I read it enough times I figure out it was wanting to shrink my dapper partition and use the free space - so I'll have to go w/ manual.
[06:29] <DanaG> Great, and now everything trying to access that drive hangs, too.
[06:29] <DanaG> Lurvely.
[06:29] <Lunks> lol
[06:30] <virtuald> my computer started up normally instead of resuming after hibernation, do i have to do something special to resume?
[06:30] <DanaG> Time to shut down for the night, anyway; I'll just boot Windows and do the file transfer there.
[06:30] <DanaG> ntfs-3g to ntfs3g, from USB 2.0 to FW400, hurts.
[06:31] <DanaG> while (true); do killall -9 nautilus; done
[06:31] <DanaG> WHY WON'T IT DIE?
[06:32] <Lunks> hahaha
[06:32] <Lunks> sudo halt always works for me
[06:32] <DanaG> Oh heck, even ls is hanging.
[06:32] <DanaG> SO much for ntfs-3g being stable.
[06:33] <Lunks> hahaha
[06:33] <DanaG> ﻿Time to shut down; my ntfs-3g has gone and gotten itself thoroughly wedged somewhere, and taken everything else (using that partition) with it.
[06:34] <Lunks> f'DanaG: I believe it's stable but not recommended. :P
[06:34] <Lunks> dol
[06:34] <Lunks> doh
[06:34] <Lunks> gtg
[06:34] <Lunks> cu
[06:37] <spanther> good night everyone and thank you for everything :3
[06:46] <bjron> hmm, can I use the install disk to boot a windows partition (if say, I blasted the partition that I had grub installed on so I can't boot from the hard disk boot loader anymore)?
[06:49] <bjron> nm, I just remembered I have another boot loader cd
[06:49] <bjron> (though I'm still curious if it can be done w/ the ubuntu disk)
[06:50] <ariqs> when is the release of 8.04 coming?
[06:51] <Meshezabeel> ariqs, look on the homepage, there is a counter there
[07:03] <anomsuratno> my wifi bcm43xx keep disconnected
[07:03] <anomsuratno> the driver is properly set up. Help me!
[07:04] <Agrajag-> anyone else having issues with ff3b5 recently? for me it's crashing every 5 minutes or so. didn't have this problem a couple of days ago
[07:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Agrajag-, it runs find except with flash
[07:05] <Agrajag-> hmm i suppose that might be it.. i didn't think i was using pages with flash, but i'll remove it for now anyway and see
[07:05] <Unksi> yea, flash seems to not to work at times; it doesn't cause crashes for me though
[07:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> it's not like flash doesnt work at all, it just cause some random crash just like ff2 does
[07:08] <Agrajag-> i know, but these "random" crashes have been happening every 5 minutes or so for me recently
[07:08] <Agrajag-> anyawy, i've removed flash, i'll see if it continues
[07:09] <Lynoure> Agrajag-: Same version of firefox, no crashes at all so far, but I haven't looked at flash a lot
[07:10] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[07:10] <eagles0513875> can anyone help me my problem is i have the java jre installed and firefox2 doesnt seem to find it
[07:14] <kane77> hi. so b43 is recommended instead of bcm43xx and ndiswrapper, but is there a limitation to that driver of maximum tx-power being limited to 27?
[07:22] <eagles0513875> anyone alive in here or is it just me and kane
[07:29] <ethana2> eagles: hi.
[07:30] <eagles0513875> hey
[07:30] <eagles0513875> ethana2:  u think u might be able to help me with my interesting issue
[07:30] <xx0xx> how to change file from user group?
[07:30] <eagles0513875> can anyone help me my problem is i have the java jre installed and firefox2 doesnt seem to find it
[07:30] <xx0xx> chuser or something like that
[07:30] <ethana2> I couldn't get java working either
[07:30] <ethana2> I stopped going to sites with java.
[07:30] <eagles0513875> damn it
[07:30] <ethana2> In two weeks, things will work.
[07:31] <eagles0513875> so its a but in firefox2
[07:31] <eagles0513875> or in java jre itself
[07:31] <ethana2> wait
[07:31] <ethana2> ff2?!
[07:31] <eagles0513875> ya
[07:31] <ethana2> Why??
[07:31] <eagles0513875> im a dev and tester
[07:31] <ethana2> ah.
[07:31] <eagles0513875> lol
[07:31] <xx0xx> how to change file from user group?
[07:31] <ethana2> no wait
[07:31] <eagles0513875> ur not on firefox 2
[07:31] <ethana2> Firefox 3.
[07:31] <ethana2> beta 5.
[07:31] <eagles0513875> ya thats what i meant
[07:31] <eagles0513875> ya
[07:31] <ethana2> oh, ok
[07:31] <ethana2> wasn't sure
[07:31] <ethana2> heh
[07:32] <eagles0513875> u having the same bug as well
[07:32] <ethana2> yeah
[07:32] <eagles0513875> any ideas as to how to fix it
[07:32] <ethana2> I have others I'm actually more concerned about though
[07:32] <ethana2> nope
[07:32] <ethana2> they'll work it out
[07:32] <ethana2> Java was open sourced fairly recently
[07:32] <Adremelech> xx0xx, chown
[07:32] <ethana2> dust is still settling
[07:32] <eagles0513875> im goign to check something out i think its something really silly
[07:32] <eagles0513875> ethana2: the ur thinking openjdk thats for programmers such as myself
[07:33] <ethana2> hmm
[07:33] <eagles0513875> the jre is still from sun
[07:33] <ethana2> 14 days
[07:33] <ethana2> your bug will be fixed
[07:33] <eagles0513875> im filing a bug ur more then welcome to verify it
[07:33] <ethana2> it's very obvious
[07:34] <eagles0513875> i know
[07:34] <ethana2> My bug not so much
[07:34] <eagles0513875> whats ur bug
[07:34] <ethana2> most people would never encounter it
[07:34] <ethana2> hold on
[07:34] <ethana2> gahh, sorry
[07:34] <ethana2> ff3 died again
[07:34] <eagles0513875> have u updated ur pkgs
[07:35] <ethana2> very recently, yes
[07:35] <ethana2> ok.....
[07:35] <ethana2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/188308
[07:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188308 in ubuntu "colemak is broken" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[07:36] <ethana2> I also have one on firefox
[07:36] <ethana2> but that is easy to work around, so this is my main thing
[07:36] <eagles0513875> link me is it bout the java jre
[07:36] <ethana2> nope
[07:36] <ethana2> It's about the best keyboard layout on earth
[07:37] <eagles0513875> i really need to learn more programming languages besides java
[07:37] <ethana2> heh
[07:37] <ethana2> C++/Python FTW
[07:38] <ethana2> although
[07:38] <ethana2> I think HTML5 is better for GUI apps than GTK or QT
[07:38] <eagles0513875> java right now maybe teach myself c++ this summer now that i know how to oop
[07:38] <eagles0513875> !html5
[07:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about html5 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:38] <ethana2> yeah
[07:38] <ethana2> well, to be more correct, HTML5 lacks some vital things
[07:38] <ethana2> like tabbing
[07:39] <ethana2> ..and lots of other... vital things
[07:39] <eagles0513875> y not just make a multithreaded java app write once run anywhere
[07:39] <ethana2> because it runs fast
[07:39] <ethana2> ..no where
[07:39] <ethana2> POSIX
[07:39] <eagles0513875> right now nowhere
[07:39] <ethana2> That is how you do multiplatform
[07:39] <Meshezabeel> flash is now working for me again after today's update
[07:39] <eagles0513875> but if ur on a multicore machine
[07:40] <ethana2> then JAVA might peform
[07:40] <ethana2> about as well as C++ on one core
[07:40] <ethana2> ;)
[07:41] <ethana2> I avoid programming right now
[07:41] <ethana2> because I want to write the GUI
[07:41] <ethana2> and write the app
[07:41] <ethana2> and not try to cram it all together and hope it makes sence
[07:41] <ethana2> I have been referred to glade
[07:41] <ethana2> ....it needs to be a runtime.
[07:42] <ethana2> eagles: what keyboard layout do you use?
[07:42] <eagles0513875> us since im from usa but in europe for school
[07:42] <ethana2> qwerty then?
[07:42] <eagles0513875> ya
[07:42] <ethana2> I haven't used qwerty for about a year now.
[07:42] <eagles0513875> i hate being back on a machine with an ide drive
[07:42] <ethana2> why?
[07:43] <eagles0513875> my new laptop has sata this has a damn ide and now im realizing how slow it is
[07:43] <ethana2> ha
[07:43] <ethana2> We have a D830
[07:43] <ethana2> pretty new
[07:43] <ethana2> would you say it's probably SATA also?
[07:43] <eagles0513875> dunno how do u have it connected with one of those ide cables or not
[07:43] <ethana2> uh
[07:43] <ethana2> never took it out
[07:44] <ethana2> ..after I buy it from our schooling program, the first thing I'm going to do
[07:44] <ethana2> Is familiarize myself with every component and clean it out
[07:44] <ethana2> learn everything there is to know about it
[07:45] <eagles0513875> ?
[07:45] <ethana2> I haven't disassembled the laptop yet
[07:45] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[07:45] <eagles0513875> whats the make and model of the laptop
[07:45] <ethana2> Dell Latitude D830
[07:46] <ethana2> 65nm C2D with Intel-VT, 1 GB of RAM
[07:46] <eagles0513875> thats kool
[07:47] <eagles0513875> im actually going to build myself an insane 45nm intel quad box this summer with the money i  make form working
[07:47] <ethana2> heh
[07:47] <ethana2> nehalem?
[07:47] <eagles0513875> ya
[07:47] <eagles0513875> 12mb of cahche
[07:47] <ethana2> ^_^
[07:47] <ethana2> as if it needed cache
[07:47] <eagles0513875> lol
[07:47] <eagles0513875> they r already working on an 8 core server proc
[07:47] <ethana2> yup
[07:47] <eagles0513875> they already have planned out till at least 2012
[07:48] <ethana2> 16 core will be insane
[07:48] <eagles0513875> by then for the 32 22 11nm procs they r hoping to be using carbon nano tubes
[07:48] <ethana2> the thing is, on 22nm, they'll be able to do it easily
[07:48] <ethana2> oh?
[07:48] <ethana2> fascinating
[07:48] <eagles0513875> speaking of they r also developinng a 16core graphics card
[07:48] <eagles0513875> called larabee
[07:48] <ethana2> I don't want a 3d accelerator
[07:48] <eagles0513875> nvidia though has them beet with their 128core 9800gtx
[07:48] <eagles0513875> lol
[07:48] <ethana2> I want processing power I can use how I will
[07:48] <ethana2> 3d or not
[07:49] <ethana2> ...mostly not
[07:49] <eagles0513875> i want the cell proc lol with all 32 cores
[07:49] <ethana2> you mean 4 CBE's in one machine?
[07:49] <ethana2> holy--
[07:49] <ethana2> I just wanted one or two
[07:49] <ethana2> in a laptop
[07:49] <ethana2> no GPU
[07:49] <eagles0513875> the cell processor is the one in the ps3
[07:49] <ethana2> yes.
[07:49] <ethana2> but that one is crippled
[07:50] <eagles0513875> ya imagine that with all of its cores in a desktop machine
[07:50] <ethana2> I only need 7
[07:50] <eagles0513875> dude i would take em all
[07:50] <ethana2> no hypervisor
[07:50] <ethana2> but allowing for 1 faulty
[07:50] <ethana2> takes the price down a /ton/
[07:50] <eagles0513875> !hypervisor
[07:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hypervisor - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:50] <ethana2> it's like an evil OS overlord
[07:50] <eagles0513875> lol
[07:50] <ethana2> generally speaking with consoles ;)
[07:51] <eagles0513875> i think im going to regret running vista as a vm on here lol
[07:51] <ethana2> yeah...
[07:51] <ethana2> .5 GB just as overhead
[07:51] <eagles0513875> lol oh well dont have anything on here
[07:51] <bazookatooth> why would you ever need to run vista
[07:51] <ethana2> heh
[07:51] <ethana2> good question....
[07:51] <bazookatooth> i have to use windows for magic online, but i use XP
[07:51] <ethana2> !compiz
[07:51] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[07:51] <bazookatooth> (of course)
[07:52] <ethana2> it's not even like you get 3d in a vm
[07:52] <eagles0513875> lol  dunno just got my hands on a copy of ultimate 64 and i wanna try it out before upgrading my new laptop cuz it seems kubuntu wont install or work for me on there cuz the hardware is too new
[07:52] <ethana2> give it two weeks, eagles ;)
[07:52] <bazookatooth> i installed it once
[07:52] <bazookatooth> at work.. it made me vomit
[07:52] <eagles0513875> ethana2: tried gutsy
[07:52] <ethana2> hardy
[07:52] <bazookatooth> i was hungover and the "blurparency" made me sick to my stomach
[07:53] <ethana2> blurparency is awesome!
[07:53] <eagles0513875> got a pnp bios bug and wouldnt work right either tried hardy used the alternate got it installed but it hangs on loading hardware devices when trying to boot for the first time
[07:53] <bazookatooth> its horrible
[07:53] <ethana2> ...and once GTK does widget based alpha
[07:53] <ethana2> we'll have it too.
[07:53] <ethana2> non-blurred background windows fake me out
[07:53] <bazookatooth> who wants it.. i like transparency... it actually has some (albeit very small) real quality to it.
[07:54] <bazookatooth> but.. if its all blurry.. there's no value in it at all.. its just eye candy that gives you a headache
[07:54] <ethana2> well, it lets the colors of your desktop background soothe your soul.
[07:54] <ethana2> heh.
[07:56] <eagles0513875> brb going to init 6 and reboot with latest kernel
[07:56] <kane77> hmm.. so now I managed to get txpower to 32 on b43 driver... that's weird
[07:56] <Fritzel> is there a reason why mplayer's plugin for mozilla makes all streams blocky?
[07:57] <Fritzel> and os there a better plugin i should try?
[07:57] <Fritzel> is*
[07:57] <ethana2> I wish
[07:57] <ethana2> I'd use it
[07:58] <Fritzel> hmm thats a no then?
[07:58] <ethana2> maybe I just don't know of it
[07:59] <ethana2> but I don't like the one we use now
[07:59] <ethana2> just as you described
[07:59] <ethana2> it can't time scroll
[07:59] <ethana2> which is basic functionality
[07:59] <ethana2> even if it /is/ a stream
[07:59] <Fritzel> alright, anyone else know of one?
[07:59] <Fritzel> -nod-
[07:59] <Wobbo> why is the current screensaver config panel still so limited, i can rember a config panel in 6.04 or something, it had loads more options?
[08:00] <ethana2> Wobbo: gnome folks think people with config options are dangerous
[08:00] <ethana2> Use xscreensaver instead of gnome screensaver
[08:01] <eagles0513875> back
[08:01] <Fritzel> i could use real player but its refusing to work with firefox
[08:01] <ethana2> eagles: in the interest of getting my bug fixed, would you mind letting me convert you?
[08:01] <KalEl> Wobbo, agreed... i can't set the text in the gltext screensaver!
[08:02] <Wobbo> ethana2, gnome folks are right... a lot of people can't handle the pressure of tooo many buttons...
[08:02] <ethana2> eagles: www.colemak.com
[08:02] <ethana2> 'advanced options' \/
[08:02] <KalEl> if i install xscreensaver, will it blend in with ubuntu? eg. in terms of menu item, power management etc... i hope it won't conflict with gnome screensaver?
[08:03] <ethana2> probably not
[08:03] <eagles0513875> i dunno to be honest
[08:03] <ethana2> see, the screensavers are the same
[08:03] <eagles0513875> ethana2: convert me to what
[08:03] <ethana2> colemak
[08:03] <eagles0513875> what is it
[08:03] <ethana2> ..keyboard layout
[08:03] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:03] <ethana2> ^_^
[08:03] <eagles0513875> i think i is happy way i am for now
[08:04] <ethana2> ok
[08:04] <ethana2> KalEl: ...so I think the x screensaver thing is just a different configuration utility
[08:04] <ethana2> not actually different screensavers
[08:04] <ethana2> I mean, what does a screensaver have to do with a desktop environment, really?
[08:04] <KalEl> alright thanks... then i'll do "sudo aptitude install xscreensaver xscreensaver-gl-extra" :)
[08:05] <Wobbo> KalEl, yes, there are a couple screensavers that realy need configuration!
[08:05] <ethana2> something like that
[08:05] <ethana2> Wobbo: indeed.
[08:05] <ethana2> I usually run mine from the terminal
[08:05] <eagles0513875> java is so sluggish on here
[08:05] <ethana2> but then, I usually only use them as my desktop background
[08:05] <ethana2> not actually as 'screensavers'
[08:06] <ethana2> so you can pass them any parameter you want that way
[08:06] <Wobbo> xscreensaver controls the same screensavers
[08:06] <ethana2> yes
[08:07] <KalEl> i don't really use the screensavers much in the way they were intended to be used... they are gorgeous but take up too much processing power
[08:07] <KalEl> so it's kind of a waste if nobody is looking at them!
[08:07] <ethana2> opengl FTW
[08:07] <ethana2> as I said
[08:07] <Ng> you can edit the .desktop files for each screensaver, if you just want to override a few settings
[08:08] <ethana2> desktop background
[08:08] <Ng> KalEl: a very wise point :)
[08:08] <ethana2> I like flurry
[08:08] <ethana2> 'course, when you move windows around, it tears
[08:08] <ethana2> maybe it's just my pathetic machines
[08:08] <ethana2> the non-opengl ones are horrible
[08:08] <ethana2> no frame buffer at all
[08:09] <ethana2> an open window will rip a big black square in it
[08:09] <ethana2> anybody else using them as desktop backgrounds here, or am I alone?
[08:10] <KalEl> i installed xscreensaver, removed gnome-screensaver (as both adds the same menu item to preferences)
[08:10] <ethana2> Screensavers are probably a bad idea on my dual seat rig
[08:10] <ethana2> yeah.  bad idea.
[08:11] <KalEl> it has its own power management options... i hope there's no conflict with gnome-power-management?
[08:11] <Wobbo> I don't see the reason to still put in the current config tool in 8.04? I only use a blank/black screensaver, but a lot of peeps somehow cant do without tweaking the looks of there pc, wich make gnome so delightfull.
[08:11] <ethana2> hmm
[08:12] <ethana2> random question: any of you actually use evolution?
[08:12] <ethana2> the mail client thing?
[08:12] <tech0007> i do
[08:12] <ethana2> ...ok, that's one.. anyone else?
[08:13] <Adremelech> thunderbird ftw
[08:13] <ethana2> webmail ftw ;)
[08:13] <Wobbo> ethana2: evolution ftw!
[08:13] <ethana2> heh
[08:13] <ethana2> that's two...
[08:13] <Adremelech> ethana2, assassinate them :P
[08:14] <ethana2> because I use it approximately never
[08:14] <ethana2> and it comes on the CD
[08:14] <ethana2> and occupies.....
[08:14] <Wobbo> one thing about evolution, i was really happy and dissapointed, the gmail featere that was introduced doesn't work!
[08:14] <Wobbo> as in gmail i mean google calendar
[08:15] <ethana2> ..almost one hundred frigging megs of space
[08:15] <Adremelech> good
[08:15] <Adremelech> evolution is being punished!
[08:15] <Adremelech> :D
[08:15] <ethana2> evolution-common: 93.4 MB
[08:15] <ethana2> I use my clock thingy with tasks
[08:15] <Adremelech> yeah, i wish evolution wasnt a requirement so much
[08:15] <ethana2> does that mean I need evolution-common?
[08:16] <Adremelech> if you remove evolution-common it removes ubuntu-desktop
[08:16] <ethana2> I literally have apps -> office -> tasks
[08:16] <ethana2> whoa
[08:16] <ethana2> anyway, tasks is crazy small
[08:16] <ethana2> I'd rather never have to see evolution again
[08:16] <Fritzel> ok another question, mplayer plugin is supposed to play real media and quicktime streams, dos anyone know why they will buffer and then stop?
[08:16] <ethana2> mailto: links need to open my gmail compose
[08:17] <Adremelech> ethana2, you can safely remove ubuntu-desktop, as it doesnt actually do anything except in upgrading the distro
[08:17] <ethana2> heh
[08:17] <Adremelech> iirc, you can remove 99% of useless gnome bloat safely :D
[08:17] <ethana2> speaking of breakage, I'm running into all kinds of bugs that go away when i restart
[08:17] <ethana2> it's reminding me of windows, and that makes me feel uncomfortable
[08:17] <Adremelech> speaking of restart, brb
[08:17] <ethana2> heh
[08:20] <Wobbo> evolution has outgrown itself
[08:21] <Wobbo> sometimes it starts running like crazy overtaking my whole system
[08:21] <mat__> hi people!
[08:22] <jscinoz> alright
[08:22] <jscinoz> i officially caused dephell upon myself >_<
[08:22] <jscinoz> is there anyway to mass downgrade ~300 packages one version?
[08:23] <jscinoz> (each package in question has two version installable)
[08:24] <jscinoz> remember kids, dependency hell is a fun place >_<
[08:26] <mat__> i have a slight problem... when i ran updates this morning it seemed to have broken some video links...  like when i run wine a games in wine will not run... like counter strike in steam... or wow?? it's like i can see the mouse icon but no other layers? is there maybe a wine config i need to run? or???
[08:28] <bazookatooth> run a virtual machine
[08:30] <Nubae> when is hardy's release date?
[08:30] <glance> hurm.
[08:31] <mat__> why run a virtual machine when wine ran just fine before the update...
[08:31] <ethana2> 14 days.
[08:31] <mat__> is there a way to downgrade it?
[08:31] <glance> anyone here know about the state of fglrx?
[08:31] <Nubae> while still, guess I'll install beta
[08:32] <richard> Hi, is xorg.conf still the main config file for the grafik card ?
[08:33] <ethana2> richard: it went zen
[08:33] <ethana2> now it looks within
[08:33] <ethana2> ...instead of to your xorg.conf
[08:33] <ethana2> but if there's anything to override, that's the place to do it
[08:34] <ethana2> sorry for the bizarreness of my response, I'm bored.
[08:34] <richard> i have a radeon 9250 and eveything works fine under 7.10 using the driver "ati" or "radeon" ... but thats how xorg.conf looks now: Section "Device"
[08:34] <richard>         Identifier      "Configured Video Device"
[08:34] <richard> EndSection
[08:35] <richard> the screen resolution is fine ... it works correctly but 3d end effects won'T work
[08:35] <richard> sooo :) how to i get the standard "radeon" driver to work ^^
[08:37] <richard> ethana2: any idea ? a hint :( ?
[08:38] <tech0007> richard: specify Driver in the Device section of xorg.conf
[08:39] <ethana2> don't know
[08:39] <ethana2> what he said
[08:39] <Amaranth> ethana2: your bug report creeped me out today
[08:40] <richard> what kind of driver is he using at the moment ? I'm just wondering cauz nothing is specified in xorg ..
[08:40] <ethana2> hehhh
[08:40] <ethana2> Amaranth: which one was this?
[08:40] <ethana2> I rembemer you
[08:40] <ethana2> ohhhhhh
[08:40] <ethana2> HAHA
[08:40] <ethana2> gotcha!
[08:40] <Amaranth> "Amaranth I see you"
[08:40] <Amaranth> I was like "WTF!!!!!!"
[08:40] <ethana2> YES
[08:40] <Amaranth> Then I remembered
[08:40] <ethana2> That's awesome!
[08:40] <tech0007> richard: use either ati or radeon
[08:40] <ethana2> you just made my day.
[08:41] <tech0007> richard: see 'man ati' or 'man radeon'
[08:42] <pheld> Is there a way to tweak re-tries for obex connections? Choosing browse device from the bluetooth-applet always fails on the first attempt trying to browse a sony-ericsson k750i (errror: host down). On the second attempt it works, and it keeps working across multiple device un/re-mounts. Once BT is de/re-activated on the phone it is the same problem again on the first browse attempt.
[08:44] <richard> tech0007: Section "Device"
[08:44] <richard>         Identifier      "Configured Video Device"
[08:44] <richard>         Driver          "radeon"
[08:44] <richard> EndSection
[08:44] <ethana2> Amaranth: did I email you?
[08:44] <richard> is that enough, or did i miss something ?
[08:44] <Amaranth> ethana2: I don't think so
[08:44] <tech0007> richard: add Driver "ati" or Driver "radeon"
[08:44] <ethana2> Amaranth: someone else subscribed to the thing
[08:45] <ethana2> Amaranth: now with them going all crazy for gnome 3.0, I figure the idea may have a chance
[08:45] <richard> did that in the quote below ... will restart xserver. lets see :)
[08:45] <Amaranth> ethana2: I still think you're on crack :P
[08:45] <ethana2> Amaranth: OOh, I need to attach my mockup
[08:45] <ethana2> it took my like a week to make
[08:46] <ethana2> Amaranth: my mind is self modifying
[08:46] <Amaranth> ethana2: But if you want to draw your own titlebar you can do so, just set a flag to make the WM not draw one and do it yourself
[08:46] <ethana2> it can alter itself without help from external substances
[08:46] <Amaranth> We are nothing if not flexible
[08:46] <ethana2> hmm
[08:46] <ethana2> Thanks, I'll remember that
[08:47] <ethana2> Amaranth: now to turn glade into a complete runtime.....
[08:47] <Amaranth> Which means?
[08:47] <ethana2> which means with a gui
[08:47] <ethana2> no app code runs
[08:47] <ethana2> unless you give it a ...
[08:48] <ethana2> yarr, what do you.. canvas
[08:48] <ethana2> an interaction canvas
[08:48] <Amaranth> Even websites aren't much use without javascript
[08:48] <Amaranth> Unless you just want to read them
[08:48] <ethana2> otherwise, the whole app 2d gui is..
[08:48] <ethana2> well
[08:48] <Amaranth> Instead of javascript we have Python
[08:48] <ethana2> you have to communicate
[08:48] <ethana2> between the gui and the app engines
[08:48] <ethana2> but hello world?
[08:48] <ethana2> no app code run
[08:48] <Amaranth> This is not useful
[08:48] <ethana2> ok
[08:49] <ethana2> remote access?
[08:49] <Amaranth> No real application is that simple
[08:49] <ethana2> ok
[08:49] <ethana2> that's fine
[08:49] <ethana2> OpenGL accelerated tab switching?
[08:49] <ethana2> can we do that?
[08:49] <Amaranth> OpenGL accelerated tab switching? wtf is that?
[08:49] <ethana2> store firefox tabs in the GPU
[08:49] <ethana2> switch instantaneously
[08:49] <ethana2> self same millisecond
[08:49] <Amaranth> They should be already
[08:49] <ethana2> hmm
[08:49] <ethana2> yarr
[08:49] <Amaranth> The pixmaps are stored in video memory
[08:50] <ethana2> i hate how my dual seat borkes opengl
[08:50] <Amaranth> And you just swap which one is showing
[08:50] <Amaranth> No OpenGL involved
[08:50] <Amaranth> No need to involve OpenGL, it's just a cached pixmap
[08:50] <ethana2> I'm really going to like the laptop I'm about to buy
[08:50] <ethana2> well that makes sence
[08:50] <ethana2> that is more what I meant
[08:50] <Amaranth> Of course this assumes Firefox is programmed this way
[08:50] <ethana2> I'm glad to see you can store textures without opengl
[08:50] <ethana2> ah
[08:50] <Amaranth> Not textures, pixmaps :P
[08:50] <ethana2> heh
[08:51] <ethana2> i suppose there may be a difference
[08:51] <ethana2> so ok, pixmaps
[08:51] <ethana2> ....single frame videos
[08:51] <ethana2> sorry, don't mind me
[08:51] <Amaranth> images
[08:51] <ethana2> ^_^
[08:52] <ethana2> heh, that thing about the bug report is awesome
[08:52] <ethana2> I don't know if I should feel bad or what
[08:52] <ethana2> I find it hilarious
[08:52] <Amaranth> What thing?
[08:52] <ethana2> Amaranth, I see you.
[08:52] <Amaranth> oh, hehe
[08:52] <richard> It seams not to work... i can not enable any effects at all. how do i know weather the driver is used or not ?
[08:52] <Amaranth> richard: glxinfo | grep direct
[08:53] <Amaranth> if it says yes then you've got a laptop
[08:53] <Amaranth> if it says no you may have a laptop but you also lack 3d acceleration
[08:53] <richard> richard@ld35u:~$ glxinfo |grep direct
[08:53] <richard> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[08:53] <richard> hm :(
[08:53]  * Amaranth goes to find food
[08:54] <tech0007> richard: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors and driverused
[08:55] <srodden> Hello lovely people. I'm trying to install 8.04 beta and I find my LCD panel switches off shortly after I select the install option. The system is still running ok because the cd grinds for a while then settles down. If I ctrl-alt-del it pauses for me to hit enter then does an elegant restart, ejects the CD and reboots. Any ideas?
[08:56] <Amaranth> srodden: amd64 install disc and you have a geforce 8400
[08:56] <srodden> amd64 and 8600 actually
[08:56] <Amaranth> close enough :)
[08:56] <srodden> known trouble combo?
[08:56] <Amaranth> Should be fixed but the fix might not have been in the beta
[08:56] <richard> tech0007: first, thanks for your help. There seams to be errors ... thats the lastest log entry: in RADEONProbeOutputModes
[08:56] <richard> (II) RADEON(0): Added native panel mode: 1400x1050
[08:56] <richard> (II) RADEON(0): Total number of valid Screen mode(s) added: 0
[08:56] <richard> (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DVI-0:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0.
[08:56] <richard> (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DVI-0:ddc2" removed.
[08:57] <richard> (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DVI-0:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0.
[08:57] <Amaranth> no no
[08:57] <richard> (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DVI-0:ddc2" removed.
[08:57] <richard> (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DVI-0:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0.
[08:57] <Amaranth> stop
[08:57] <richard> (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DVI-0:ddc2" removed.
[08:57]  * Amaranth will wait 60 seconds then remove the mute
[08:57] <tech0007> !pastebin | richard:
[08:57] <ubotu> richard:: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[08:58] <ethana2> That was confusing
[08:58] <Amaranth> I need FloodBot :P
[08:58] <richard> ok sorry :(
[08:58] <ethana2> pidgin turned the syntax into smily faces
[08:58] <xtknight> i dont think they can even hear you say stop
[08:58] <srodden> Right... so if I flip in another vid card, install with that then flip the hardware back it should go ok?
[08:58] <xtknight> as the messages are already pasted on their screen  ::)
[08:58] <Amaranth> srodden: perhaps
[08:59] <Amaranth> srodden: as long as the other card is not a geforce 8xxx and you don't install any closed-source drivers until getting all available updates then switching back to the 8600
[08:59] <ethana2> ﻿Amaranth: stop             richard: (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DVI-0( ENTHUSED SMILEY )dc2" removed.
[08:59] <Amaranth> You could also try a nightly snapshot disc, it should have the fix.
[08:59] <srodden> I'll give it a whirl. Thanks for the advice.
[09:00] <richard> ethana2: what can i do?
[09:00] <richard> the logfile is now avaible under http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62807/
[09:00] <ethana2> richard: sorry, I don't know, I was just commenting on how pidgin rendered the text you sent at us
[09:00] <ethana2> ok, good
[09:01] <ethana2> i may as well have a look
[09:01]  * ethana2 has a look
[09:02] <richard> thanks a lot ..
[09:02] <ethana2> ok, yeah sorry
[09:02] <ethana2> I don't know
[09:02] <Amaranth> richard: there are no errors in that log
[09:02] <tech0007> richard: paste the entire log file
[09:02] <ethana2> warnings
[09:02] <tech0007> richard: were more interested with EE's
[09:03] <Amaranth> warnings are not important, they are warnings :P
[09:05] <richard> ok the whole logfile: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62808/
[09:05] <tech0007> richard: cant still see EE's, you may want to try Driver "ati" since you said it worked for you in the past
[09:06] <Amaranth> (II) RADEON(0): Max desktop size set to 2048x1200
[09:06] <Amaranth> (II) RADEON(0): For a larger or smaller max desktop size, add a Virtual line to your xorg.conf
[09:06] <Amaranth> (II) RADEON(0): If you are having trouble with 3D, reduce the desktop size by adjusting the Virtual line to your xorg.conf
[09:06] <tech0007> richard: make sure there's no other option inside Device section
[09:06] <Amaranth> hmm, no, that should be fine too
[09:07] <richard> ok i missed the header in the logfile: here again: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62809/
[09:07] <richard> this is my xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62810/
[09:09] <tech0007> richard: it looks fine...did u try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:09] <richard> yes thats what i tried first :(
[09:12] <tech0007> try ati, if it doesnt work, try the forums, im sure there's more help there
[09:13] <Tortuas> hi everyone
[09:13] <Tortuas> I am a linux newbie
[09:13] <Tortuas> i managed to install ubuntu 8.04 no problem
[09:13] <Tortuas> but the sound is very quiet
[09:13] <Tortuas> and i get distortion if i raise the volume through ubuntu and it's still not that loud
[09:15] <_Rambaldi_> is there a fix for my firefox crashing on you tube
[09:15] <Tortuas> any suggestions on how to fix this?
[09:15] <Lynoure> Tortuas: how are you raising the volume? master? pcm?
[09:15] <Tortuas> Lynoure:  both
[09:16] <Lynoure> Tortuas: hmm, not that then.
[09:16] <Tortuas> can you show me how to redownload audio drivers?
[09:16] <Tortuas> and install?
[09:16] <tech0007> Tortuas: its pulseaudio...that's why i hate it
[09:17] <richard> tech0007: thanks and goodbye :-)
[09:17] <Tortuas> hmm
[09:17] <Tortuas> it seems to have fixed itself
[09:17] <Tortuas> i reduced PCM and raised master
[09:17] <Tortuas> it seems cleaner
[09:21] <srodden> I love betas :) Installed new vid card and we're getting further. After a while the loading screen drops and I get a text display with SQUASHFS errors. zlib_inflate returned unexpected result 0xffffffd blah blah. Bad burn of the CD? Somethign else?
[09:22] <b4l74z4r> i installed a kde chat client called konversation in ubuntu and whenever i connect to a server, an entry pops up in the taskbar "launching knotify", it stays for a few seconds then goes away, does anyone have an idea what that's all about?
[09:23] <agentsoul> Hello, I'm working with hardy, unfortunenatly it comes with an old unuseable (the numerical integration isn't working) version of qtiplot 0.9.3 rc2. The stable and fixed version 0.9.4 is released but only available as source. Where or who can I ask for some help to add the new version to hardy?
[09:32] <srodden> I'm getting a zlib_inflate error trying to install. Does this indicate a bad install medium or somethign else?
[09:33] <bwayne> b4l74z4r:  i've seen errors like that whenever I run kde apps inside of gnome.  the kde application generally is expecting to be ran in a kde environment, so it look for stuff like knotify and other such kde specific software.
[09:34] <bwayne> agentsoul:  download the source of the most recent version that you need.  building it from there will be easy.
[09:40] <agentsoul> bwayne: sure that will work, but for sure I'm not the only one using the program and the problem is that the version coming with hardy is unuseable. I don't write that to emphasis my question. Numerical integration is a basic operation in a mathematical plot program. It's a little bit like if you can't change colors in GIMP or steer a car only left and not right. It's an essential function. Most of the users can not work with that version o
[09:40] <agentsoul> worse they will get wrong calculations and don't even realize.
[09:41] <b4l74z4r> bwayne: is there anyway to stop it looking for those kde apps?
[09:41] <b4l74z4r> the reason i installed konversation is that i could never get the fonts right in xchat
[09:42] <bwayne> agentsoul:  have you tried alternative mathematical programs?  would gnuplot  or octave perhaps suit your needs?
[09:43] <bwayne> b4l74z4r:  i don't know.  i eventually just decided to switch to KDE.  :)
[09:43] <b4l74z4r> ok
[09:44] <b4l74z4r> i tried kubuntu 8.04 kde4 beta, but it was quite broken
[09:45] <b4l74z4r> i think the whole kde ui is a bit too "busy" visually
[09:47] <Lynoure> b4l74z4r: you could have both kde4 and kde3.5.9 side by side in Hardy easily
[09:47] <agentsoul> bwayne: maybe they will work, but it is a little bit like, openoffice is not working so use kwrite instead of fixing openoffice. And on the other hand qtiplot is a origin clone and therefore most scientific-users can use it right away, cause origin is the standard. Octave won't work good for measurement results.
[09:48] <bwayne> b4l74z4r:  you can unclutter KDE without much effort.  use fluxbox for a really 'clean' default look.
[09:48] <b4l74z4r> ok
[09:49] <b4l74z4r> i eventually found out how to have a seperate taskbar at the bottom and all the other stuff on the top, that help quite a bit but i didn't manage to get the taskbar down to 1 line
[09:49] <bwayne> b4l74z4r:  yeah, generally i don't install the +1 version of ubuntu until the Release Candidates.
[09:50] <b4l74z4r> i like gnome alot except for the font issues
[09:50] <bwayne> b4l74z4r:  if you minimize the size of the panel, the taskbar will shrink to one line.
[09:51] <b4l74z4r> bwayne: in the settings i could only find an option to adjust the main panel, not the custom task bar
[09:53] <bwayne> b4l74z4r:  hmm ... well if you make the main panel have nothing in it but the task bar, then you could shrink the main panel and that would shrink the taskbar to a single row.
[09:55] <b4l74z4r> i suppose that could work, but i also had an issue with gwenview, when i opened up a picture, it would use fullscreen to display it thus hiding the taskbar, which would create additional steps to switch between apps
[09:55] <qiv> hi
[09:55] <qiv> am i the only one having problems with the gnome keyboard shortcults like alt+tab? :)
[09:56] <qiv> is there something one can do about it?
[09:56] <bwayne> b4l74z4r:  ok.  yeah it's not always feasible to get everything exactly perfect.
[09:56] <bwayne> obsessing over the gui isn't really that profitable of an endeavor.
[09:57] <bwayne> granted, tailoring your desktop environment / gui will work wonders for productivity, but you kind of have to know where to draw the line.
[09:57] <b4l74z4r> it's just that it would have been so easy to include an option not to show images in fullscreen
[09:58] <b4l74z4r> otherwise i think kde4 looked absolutely gorgeous
[10:05] <Jaymac> I guess it is safe to remove volumeid to complete the partial upgrade
[10:09] <Ng> Jaymac: yes
[10:09] <Ng> -(cmsj@kodachi)-(~)- apt-cache show udev | grep Replaces
[10:09] <Ng> Replaces: hotplug, ifrename, initramfs-tools (<< 0.040ubuntu1), libvolumeid0 (<< 093-0ubuntu7), volumeid
[10:10] <Jaymac> Ng, ah cheers
[10:18] <eagles0513875> is anyone experiencing random short lockups
[10:19] <b4l74z4r> not me
[10:19] <eagles0513875> im on the 64bit btw
[10:20] <eagles0513875> running kde 4 and compiz fusion
[10:25] <Lynoure> eagles0513875: Not sure if that combination is even supposed to work, kwin doing many compiz-like things itself
[10:26] <eagles0513875> Lynoure: to be honest its just everyonce in a while but on the whole it works lol
[10:26] <Amaranth> eagles0513875: nvidia?
[10:27] <Lynoure> eagles0513875: out of curiousity, which are the compiz things you missed when using just kwin?
[10:27] <eagles0513875> kwin being a normal desktop
[10:27] <Amaranth> Yeah, compiz isn't really well supported on KDE
[10:27] <Amaranth> and kwin4 does compositing
[10:28] <eagles0513875> lol i have it for the box effect the wobble effect and i had compiz before i installed kde4
[10:28] <Lynoure> eagles0513875: depends on your idea of normal... does many of the productivity things of compiz, but no cube :)
[10:28] <eagles0513875> i get the cube except top and bottom
[10:35] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[10:35] <eagles0513875> im wondering wether it could be amarok 1.4.9.1 that could be causing it
[10:35] <eagles0513875> cuz it only seems to happen when listening to audio streams
[10:41] <gluer> my bluetooth keyboard takes ages to initialize at login, anyway to speed up bluetooth KB detection?
[10:42] <Infecto> buy wire keyboard :)
[10:42] <gluer> yeh yeh
[10:43] <gluer> its just annoying having to wait
[10:45] <ikonia> gluer: there is a known issue with the apple ones, the trick is to hit a certain set of keys that assist it with "waking up"
[10:46] <Lynoure> In kde4 I have in the kmenu Favourite entries that don't work and that show with question marks icons. Anything I can do about those?
[10:52] <gluer> ikonia: its a logitech dinovo edge
[10:53] <jng> anyone else finding the awesome bar in firefox3 and compiz not playing nicely?  specifically, when the list of choices pops up, compiz is applying its effects for me..  which is a bit annoying..
[11:08] <cwillu> jng, turn off effects for utility windows I believe (which is actually in the latest updates too)
[11:08] <jng> thanks a million cwillu
[11:09] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone else have problems with firefox closing n youtube
[11:09] <jaffarkelshac> any fix?
[11:09] <jng> couldn't figure out what sort of window these are .. my usual trick of using xwininfo somewhat scuppered by their transient nature ;)
[11:10] <jng> jaffarkelshac: i've encountered that too.. i get to play one video, then the second crashes it :(  no fix as yet i'm afraid
[11:10] <jaffarkelshac> i will be trying konqueror to see if it has that problem
[11:11] <cwillu> jng, there's only like 10 different types of windows, just turning off effects one at a time would have found it quickely, or doing half and half would have in even less time
[11:14] <jng> cwillu: so i added an entry with type=Utility to the open animations and ste the effect to none.. but its still doing it ... hmm
[11:16] <cwillu> jng, i'd think you'd have to find the existing setting that enabled it for utility windows, rather than overriding it with a new entry, not sure though
[11:17] <crdlb> jng: make sure it's the first entry
[11:17] <crdlb> the first match wins
[11:20] <jng> hmm.. tried a general purge of all utility related effects.. still no joy..
[11:20] <crdlb> Utility isn't the right type anyway
[11:20] <crdlb> the utility type is for _persistent_ windows
[11:21] <jng> ok.. gets me in the right direction anyway..
[11:21] <crdlb> but at least mozilla bothered setting _a_ type, even if they picked the wrong one
[11:28] <kblin> hi folks
[11:31] <jaffarkelshac> where do flv files viewed online stored in firefox
[11:34] <kblin> hm, looks like the current hardy xen kernel doesn't start. if I boot the 2.6.24-14-xen kernel, the system starts. booting the 2.6.24-15-xen kernel gets stuck on "waiting for root file system
[11:34] <kblin> "
[11:34] <Ergo^> hello
[11:34] <Ergo^> im having trouble with newest hardy update
[11:34] <whitehawk> hi
[11:34] <Ergo^> i have /boot partition that has 100mb
[11:34] <Ergo^> and update manager is complaining that there is too low space on that
[11:36] <Ergo^> anyone ?
[11:37] <Amaranth> Ergo^: uninstall kernels you aren't using
[11:37] <humbolto> why does my apport consume so many cpu cycles?
[11:37] <Amaranth> humbolto: something crashed and it is generating the crash report
[11:38] <Amaranth> chews 100% CPU for anywhere between 2 seconds and 60 seconds on my machine
[11:43] <Zambezi> I'm still without sound, but it works with an older kernel, but rebooting every night sucks. :-)
[11:44] <Zambezi> Maybe not sucks. Let me reprase that. It like very, very annoying. ;-)
[11:46] <Lynoure> Zambezi: you could hibernate as a workaround?
[11:46] <Lynoure> I know, not a real solution, just annoyance-bandaid
[11:46] <Zambezi> Lynoure: I'm not happy to kill X, but that might be a better solution.
[11:47] <Zambezi> Lynoure: I have to use .10 to get sound.
[11:47] <Xiol> why oh why has someone removed the "Screen and Graphics" menu entry
[11:48] <Xiol> because without that, and the new minimal xorg.conf, it's a pain in the arse to setup the correct resolution if it wasn't detected
[11:48] <Zambezi> Lynoure: And when I use the old kernel, I can't run upgrade.
[11:48] <Xiol> "sudo displayconfig-gtk" will run the app again, but why was this removed from the menu???
[11:53] <z3ld> hi to all!
[11:57] <z3ld> how i can use ati prorprietary driver with ubuntu 8.04?
[11:58] <z3ld> when i try to install the fglrx module i get some error...
[12:04] <pheld> Yesterdays PAM update introduces pam_smbpass.so to /etc/pam.d/common-auth. Logs are stuffed with messages about the missing lib/security/pam_smbpass.so. It is fixed by installing libpam-smbpass (sudo apt-get install ﻿﻿﻿libpam-smbpass). Is there a missing dependency somewhere?
[12:08] <padonaklox> http://white.hopto.org/ http://white.hopto.org/ http://white.hopto.org/
[12:08] <padonaklox> http://white.hopto.org/ http://white.hopto.org/ http://white.hopto.org/
[12:09] <scizzo-> pheld: check apt-cache show onpackagethatshouldhavedep
[12:09] <scizzo-> pheld: check if the dep is in that package
[12:10] <jpatrick> !ops | padonaklox
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[12:11] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[12:14] <pheld> scizzo: none of the packages in my apt-cache depends on ﻿libpam-smbpass. That's why it had to be installed manually
[12:15] <scizzo-> pheld: hmmm report it I would say....
[12:15] <whitehawk> I managed to make hal working with the 2.6.24-16-generic kernel
[12:15] <whitehawk> but sound is not working
[12:18] <whitehawk> somehow the modules for my soundcard are not loaded
[12:19] <pheld> scizzo: I'm just not really sure what to report yet. This is code that deals with integration of system-passwords with samba. Systems without samba don't need it, thus it shouldn't be the installation/upgrade of pam-packages that stuffs in in the pam-config. Then again, my system has samba client and server installed and none of them included the appropriate dependency either, nor do they afik add this to the pam config.
[12:21] <scizzo-> pheld: well the lib might actually be setup to be installed just if you want to use that feature
[12:42] <kblin> hm, actually it looks like it's just my initramfs being shot
[12:46] <whitehawk> modprobe froze from trying to load the emu10k driver
[12:46] <whitehawk> I can't kill it
[13:02] <er_sechzig> hey my grub crashes, when i installed hardy on the partition where gutsy was installed (i've a win XP on another partition). did you know that?
[13:05]  * er_sechzig is german and sorry for his bad english
[13:06] <onats> can i just upgrade my 7.10 to the 8.04 version?
[13:06] <whitehawk> I would not try it yet
[13:06] <whitehawk> at least I just installed beta1 and it has some problems
[13:06] <whitehawk> like networking, sound
[13:07] <whitehawk> I have 1 machine working the other is not
[13:07] <kjetilkWork> it works great for me, but one must be prepared to live with or preferably fix a few rather obscure things
[13:08] <whitehawk> I can't load my soundcard driver
[13:08] <kjetilkWork> whoops
[13:08] <whitehawk> I think the kernel is the thing to blame
[13:08] <er_sechzig> my grub crashes
[13:08] <kjetilkWork> synergys crashes every 20 minutes for me
[13:08] <Raspberry> onats: sure if you want stuff to break :)  I upgraded a few 7.10 boxes -- make sure you dblcheck the kernel packages it's downloading and add any that you need
[13:09] <Raspberry> anybody else's machine take 15-20 minutes to shutdown
[13:09] <Raspberry> it does eventually, but just hangs after shutting down X
[13:10] <kjetilkWork> I have seen faulty RAM cause things like that...
[13:12] <cshadowrun> When i use the livecd with hardy heron 64, after the livecd menu, my screen gets switched off
[13:13] <cshadowrun> and then about 5 minutes later it boots
[13:13] <cshadowrun> but it's a really long time just to boot, and this is a really high end machine :S
[13:13] <onats> raspberry, what happened to your installs?
[13:13] <cshadowrun> and it sucks not being able to see whats going on :p
[13:13] <Raspberry> wow the new amarok package from yesterday has SERIOUS issues
[13:14] <Raspberry> onats: they changed the package names for the kernel between 7.10 and 8.04 and the updates don't add the same secondary kernel packages correctly like restricted modules and things like that
[13:15] <Raspberry> onats: so make sure you do the dist-upgrade and then apt-get install any kernel packages you need before restarting ... or things like Intel Wireless drivers and Sound drivers stop working ...
[13:15] <Raspberry> make sure you add the 386 packages
[13:16] <Raspberry> if that's the arch you're running
[13:16] <Raspberry> not just the generic
[13:16] <onats> oh shoot
[13:16] <onats> i can wait 13 days
[13:16] <onats> heheh
[13:16] <Raspberry> it might not be fixed
[13:16] <cshadowrun> why does ubuntu see my 1TB raid stripe array as 2 500gb drives?
[13:17] <Raspberry> it might already be fixed :)
[13:17] <Raspberry> cshadowrun: no idea
[13:17] <cshadowrun> :(
[13:17] <Raspberry> cshadowrun: hardware raid or software?
[13:17] <cshadowrun> i think it's hardware, all the setup is embedded into the motherboard
[13:17] <dns53> cshadowrun linux may see both the physical drives and the combined raid device
[13:17] <cshadowrun> any ideas how i would tell?
[13:18] <cshadowrun> nah only got 2 options, the 2 500gb drives
[13:18] <Raspberry> cshadowrun: ok... but is it a VIA chipset?
[13:18] <dns53> look in the /dev/mapper see if you see a md device
[13:18] <Raspberry> cshadowrun: have you ever successfuly had the RAID working?
[13:18] <Raspberry> cshadowrun: or have you only configured it in the bios
[13:19] <cshadowrun> no clue, and no
[13:19] <cshadowrun> this is a new pc :)
[13:19] <Raspberry> I have seen lots of "hardware" RAID setups that you can configure in the BIOS, but they don't actually DO anything
[13:19] <Raspberry> you need software installed in the OS to actually make it work
[13:19] <cshadowrun> ew :(
[13:19] <Raspberry> which linux will do
[13:19] <cshadowrun> i have a nice motherboard though, it's an asus striker 2 formula
[13:19] <dns53> cshadowrun onboard raid is not real raid, it is just something that the bios tells windows
[13:19] <Raspberry> dns53: can you comment on this?
[13:20] <Raspberry> thx
[13:20] <cshadowrun> so it only works with windows?
[13:20] <Raspberry> cshadowrun: it's really easy to setup
[13:20] <Raspberry> cshadowrun: it won't work in Windows either w/o setup and software
[13:20] <cshadowrun> ah i see
[13:20] <cshadowrun> that'll be what the motherboard drivers are for?
[13:20] <dns53> it is better to do software raid, i tried to use the onboard raid and it is possible but not worth the effort
[13:20] <Raspberry> cshadowrun: yes
[13:21] <cshadowrun> so, any easy way to get this to work in ubuntu?
[13:21] <Raspberry> cshadowrun: yeah
[13:21] <cshadowrun> cool, hook me up :p
[13:21] <dns53> get the alternate cd, it allows you to create a software raid easily
[13:21] <Raspberry> cshadowrun: there's a really good guide on setting up software... I'll see if I can find it
[13:21] <Raspberry> cshadowrun: listen to dns53 :)
[13:21] <cshadowrun> ok
[13:21] <cshadowrun> i think my cd has the alternate stuff, it says "Press F4 for alternative installation"
[13:21] <Raspberry> have they improved the real-time monitoring of the software-based raid in linux?
[13:22] <dns53> i had a software raid 5 i gave up and switched to using lvm
[13:22] <Raspberry> when I originally looked at setting up a software RAID... there was no simple way for the system to notify you when a drive dropped from the raid
[13:22] <Raspberry> i don't know why I keep calling it RAID :p  it's an array
[13:22] <cshadowrun> lol
[13:23] <cshadowrun> i'm using raid 0, so if a drive drops...i'll know about it
[13:23] <cshadowrun> xD
[13:23] <Raspberry> you had to write scripts to monitor and track the drive status and such
[13:23] <Raspberry> I've got a pair of 10k raptors  I want to setup with RAID for photo editing, but I haven't got around to it yet... I have to reinstall the system and then use Software RAID.
[13:24] <Raspberry> right now 1 has XP on it and the other has Ubuntu 7.10
[13:24] <cshadowrun> anyone got any ideas on my weird display problems durin boot?
[13:24] <dns53> well you can use the hardware raid and get it to work in both windows and linux
[13:24] <cshadowrun> soon as i hit start on the livecd, the screen blanks.
[13:25] <cshadowrun> and it takes like 5 minutes to boot, which is plain insane...
[13:25] <dns53> onboard graphics too?
[13:25] <cshadowrun> heck no
[13:25] <Raspberry> cshadowrun: I've seem that with Nvidia
[13:25] <cshadowrun> 2 8800GT's with SLi
[13:26] <cshadowrun> i see, silly nvidia :(
[13:26] <cshadowrun> maybe it'll fix itself after i install the drivers.
[13:26] <Raspberry> there was an issue with the vga= in the boot up process... the Ubuntu splash screen (usplashy?) doesn't detect the right display resolution and on LCD displays connected to DVI it won't boot right / display anything
[13:26] <Raspberry> or mabe it was analog that was the problem :p
[13:27] <Raspberry> I don't remember, I fixed it for the Supercomputer lab @ the University here
[13:27] <cshadowrun> my cards have dvi outputs, but i use a converter to plug them into a couple of VGA CRT's
[13:27] <dns53> do you have more than 1 dvi port? try the other
[13:27] <cshadowrun> tried them, they are disabled afaik (SLi)
[13:27] <Raspberry> the problem I saw, it didn't matter which DVI ...
[13:28] <Raspberry> cshadowrun: when you get the system booted up ... look up the VGA= issue with the splashscreen and nvidia cards
[13:28] <Raspberry> it has to do with Nvidia sending the wrong timing
[13:28] <cshadowrun> i see
[13:29] <Raspberry> try loading recovery mode and see if it starts fine... which it typically does
[13:29] <Raspberry> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-487433.html
[13:29] <blippe> soo, how was it, will kubuntu+1 be lts?
[13:29] <Raspberry> stuff like this... http://forums.nvidia.com/lofiversion/index.php?t52594.html
[13:46] <Raspberry> wow this place just died
[13:56] <bazookatooth> hello
[14:02] <ikonia> has something core changed with the networking subsystem in hardy. The way my network cards and wirless network cards are detected on my laptop is most unusual
[14:03] <ikonia> I can't see anything clearly obvious that's changed apart from the obvious kernel version changes
[14:04] <esox> Hi , I really need help, after lasts updates last night, I tried to reboot this morning, no way to boot, I have the splash logo, then system stopped on [initramfs] or something like that, after trying in rescue mode, no succes, same thing... I decided to reinstall from CD, no way : grub couldn't be install on /target/, Without startup program Grub, the installed system can not run (sorry its translated from french...). SO I insta
[14:05] <esox> what can  do, is the HD damaged ?
[14:06] <Dr_willis> Hmm...
[14:07] <esox> Dr_willis: its a big problem...
[14:07] <Dr_willis> the reinstall failed to go all the way throuhg? or did it work? just failed on the grub install?
[14:07] <esox> Dr_willis: yes on the grub install, Im runing hardy now, but with lilo
[14:07] <Dr_willis> In theory you could make a grub boot floppy.. or put grub somewhere other then the hard drives mbr.  I wonder if the virus-checker feature of the bios got enabled.
[14:08] <esox> Dr_willis: I have no floppy, its a laptop
[14:08] <Dr_willis> bootable usb thumd drive perhaps..
[14:09] <Dr_willis> if it installed the os the 2nd time. that imples to me that the hd is not bad.
[14:09] <Dr_willis> The "Super Grub Boot CD/Floppy" site has some grub/cd images also.. may be worth looking at.
[14:09] <esox> Dr_willis: yes and with a fdisk /mbr  restored the mbr to boot on windows
[14:10] <Dr_willis> if the splash logo came up, and initramfs failed.. it sounds to me like GRUB did install/work. but the kernel files  were either currupted, or the initramfs failed to get made properly
[14:10] <esox> Dr_willis: well, dont know this install is now erased...
[14:11] <Dr_willis> So i guess its possible the hard drive has some bad spots  where ever those files got installed to..
[14:11] <Dr_willis> you could try making a small partition, and then a 2nd one and installing linux to the 2nd one..  if the bad part of the disk was in the first parttion. the install should work. :)
[14:11] <esox> Dr_willis: I dont understand why  I can restore mbr to start windows... if the HD has issues
[14:12] <Dr_willis> you could also boot a live cd, and run the  various disk checking commands.
[14:12] <Dr_willis> the mbr is just the first bit of thehard drive. it then loads the initramfs and other bits.. sounds like the MBR is ok. its the other part of the hd that had issues
[14:12] <esox> Dr_willis: I dont know thoses disk checking commands
[14:12] <Dr_willis> fsck, and badblocks command I think. I rarely need them either.
[14:13] <esox> Dr_willis: but grub is installed on mbr...
[14:13] <askand> ﻿Is anyone else having trouble opening the settings for printers?
[14:13] <Dr_willis> grub just gives you the menu, then hands the job over to the kernel/other files.
[14:14] <Dr_willis>  the error said it couldent install grub because it couldent  perhaps make the needed extra files.
[14:14] <Dr_willis> Perhaps..:) i am sort of guessing here.
[14:15] <esox> Dr_willis: I try to reboot see if virus protection is enabled on bios
[14:15] <esox> see you
[14:15] <Dr_willis> virus protextion would of stopped the fdisk /mbr from working
[14:17] <esox> Dr_willis: ah...
[14:17] <Dr_willis> which leads us to think that yes.. the mbr part of the HD does work. :)
[14:19] <esox> Dr_willis: but grub wasnt able to install on it...
[14:19] <esox> what worries me is that when one HD starts to have bad blocks, its safr to change it...
[14:19] <esox> safer
[14:19] <Dr_willis> it could be the part of the isntaller that was going TO install grub failed to generate some OTHER file and thus dident even try to isntall the actual grub
[14:20] <Dr_willis> esox,  yep. I would say back stuff up quickly from that HD.
[14:20] <Dr_willis> then scan it with badblocks a few times, reformat, and try again.
[14:21] <esox> Dr_willis: http://pastebin.org/29007
[14:21] <esox> what do you think about that ?
[14:22] <Dr_willis> look like it succeded to me
[14:23] <esox> Dr_willis: so why can I create a grub on mbr from inside hardy, and not on install ?
[14:23] <esox> strange
[14:24] <Dr_willis> the installer failed to gernate the  other files perhaps, and faulted out.  I dontknow how to get/see theisntaller logs.
[14:24] <Dr_willis> could be a bug in the installer
[14:25] <esox> Dr_willis: but I already installed hardy from this CD... Do you have exorcists ?
[14:26] <Dr_willis> esox,  you got kids with dirty fingers playing with the cds?
[14:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:26] <Dr_willis> or in my case.. a dog thats shedding fur all inside my pc :)
[14:27] <esox> Dr_willis: I knew cat play with mice,  didn"'t know dogs did...
[14:27] <Dr_willis> I got a Pomerinian hes one huge furball
[14:28] <esox> maybe its the season to shave it, you could have a nice pull over
[14:29] <esox> Dr_willis: how can I check the grub start menu is well set ?
[14:29] <Dr_willis> Once a year. he gets shaved
[14:29] <Dr_willis> esox,  other then booting the system and seeing.. Not sure of any other way
[14:29] <esox> Dr_willis: like me... :P
[14:31] <pwnguin> so is 2.6.24-16 known to not work?
[14:31] <whitehawk> I tried it
[14:31] <whitehawk> HAL worked again
[14:32] <whitehawk> sound did not
[14:32] <pwnguin> my laptop fails to boot =(
[14:32] <whitehawk> modprobe froze while probing snd-emu10k
[14:32] <esox> Dr_willis: I have no menu.lst in /boot/grub/
[14:32] <whitehawk> bye
[14:32] <os2mac> !sound
[14:32] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[14:33] <Dr_willis> esox,  that sounds like a nasty bug in the installer.
[14:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there: why can't we just have wacom tablet driver loaded in xorg.conf by default in hardy?
[14:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I don't know when it was decided
[14:33] <Davo_Dinkum> Do I need to install a non-free driver to have desktop effects with an ATI card?
[14:33] <adred> hi, i have problem with configuring my system sound. after i moved sound folder containing .wav files to /usr/share/sounds, i couldnt access it and so i chnged the folder's permission to 755. now i can i access it, but i cannot execute the .wav files in that folder. what would i do?
[14:34] <Dr_willis> Le-Chuck_ITA,  because it used to be isntalled by default. and people were constantly thinking somting was wrong, when trouble shooting the x logs.
[14:34] <esox> Dr_willis: you know where I could find a way to recreate a menu.lst ?
[14:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Dr_willis: who could I speak to about it?
[14:34] <Dr_willis> Le-Chuck_ITA,  also ive heard that with some wacom tables the new autoconfigurating Xorg stuff. does work with them.
[14:34] <esox> Dr_willis: or maybe download a new beta version...
[14:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Dr_willis: yes but tablet pcs don't autoconfigure at all and that's a pity
[14:34] <Dr_willis> Le-Chuck_ITA,   No idea about who. :) i know what to add to xorg.conf files for my wacom tablet. (but its in the closet)
[14:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Dr_willis: I already fixed xorg.conf :)
[14:35] <Dr_willis> no idea on a tablet pc.  Ive never even touched one.
[14:35] <Dr_willis> Those were such a 'neat idea' that never seemed to take off.
[14:35] <Davo_Dinkum> Too heavy.
[14:36] <adred> hi, i have problem with configuring my system sound. after i moved sound folder containing .wav files to /usr/share/sounds, i couldnt access it and so i chnged the folder's permission to 755. now i can i access it, but i cannot execute the .wav files in that folder. what would i do?
[14:36] <lilsyko> guys i'm thinking of upgrading my ubuntu 7.10 to 8.04
[14:36] <lilsyko> do you think its a wise move?
[14:36] <hischild> adred, you don't "execute" .wav files. You feed them into a player, like mplayer.
[14:36] <Dr_willis> lilsyko,  you may want to wait till its released..and perhaps a week or 2 later.. dependign on how much risk you want to take.
[14:37] <dns53> lilsyko if you don't mind your system broken go ahead, release is close anyway
[14:37] <Dr_willis> adred,  you mean execute as in 'double ckicking' on the .wav file?
[14:37] <lilsyko> broken
[14:37] <bicyclist> lilsyko the quesition is, what are you updating ?Your workhorse PC ?`
[14:37] <bicyclist> then i would rather wait.
[14:37] <lilsyko> i'm upgrading my notebook
[14:37] <lilsyko> i actually have dual OS on it
[14:37] <lilsyko> VISTA and 7.10
[14:37] <adred> Dr_willis: no, i execute it through sound preferences
[14:38] <adred> Dr_willis: when i click the play button, no sound at all
[14:38] <lilsyko> when you say broken, you mean the system is'nt stable yet?
[14:38] <yacc> Hmmm, how does one configre compiz?
[14:38] <lilsyko> whats the biggest / major bug that there is?
[14:39] <esox> Dr_willis: do you know where I could get the last version of CD of hardy-studio ?
[14:39] <Dr_willis> esox,  nope.
[14:39] <Dr_willis> !compiz | yacc
[14:39] <ubotu> yacc: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[14:40] <Dr_willis> yacc,  install the ccsm tool also.
[14:40] <Dr_willis> !ccsm | yacc
[14:40] <ubotu> yacc: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[14:40] <Dr_willis> I think that package name may of changed under hardy..
[14:41] <yacc> Dr_willis: no, stuffing sudo apt-get install before the pasted name worked well.
[14:43] <Dr_willis> :) it may be using both names. heh
[14:43] <hti_pro> hey all, about to do an update on hardy beta, anything I should know about
[14:43] <Dr_willis> !find ccsm
[14:43] <ubotu> Found: simple-ccsm
[14:43] <yacc> One has to admit that playing with the effects is a good way to loose much worktime ;)
[14:43] <JaccoH> hiya kidz :D lol
[14:43] <Dr_willis> yacc,  the wiggly windows makes my wife puke
[14:43] <JaccoH> im upgrading im hoping xen on hardy is less troublesome
[14:44] <hti_pro> If i update is my system gonna spit in my face, do a lap around the house and explode in my toilet???
[14:44] <hti_pro> or something??
[14:44] <Davo_Dinkum> yes
[14:45] <Davo_Dinkum> all of the above
[14:45] <hti_pro> sweeet, thats better than drugs could ever do
[14:45] <JaccoH> and more
[14:45] <cvd-pr> why the fonts in firefox doesnot look right?
[14:46] <hti_pro> ok but for real, are there any major bugs I should watch out for
[14:46] <cvd-pr> Somethings look too big and other to small
[14:46] <hti_pro> are you using firefox 3
[14:46] <cvd-pr> yes
[14:46] <cvd-pr> heron
[14:47] <hti_pro> hmmm... it is a beta, but I have no clue.
[14:47] <hti_pro> sorry, just upgraded yesterday and I am cowardly awaiting a recommendation before updating
[14:47] <Davo_Dinkum> is http://packages.ubuntu.com/ down?
[14:48] <JaccoH> davo yes
[14:49] <hti_pro> yep it seems that way
[14:49] <JaccoH> ok my update didnt go very smooth :D a lot of dependency issues upgrading xen to 3.2
[14:50] <hti_pro> ok I guess I will go ahead and update.  I will try to video tape the upgrade in case the afore mentioned finale does occur
[14:50] <hti_pro> that's something I would just have to share with the world, I love making people smile! even if I have to go through hell.
[14:51] <hti_pro> oh wait, I live there
[14:51] <hti_pro> anyone know the name of the mysql users channel
[14:57] <JaccoH> seg faults on apt :D
[15:02] <erle-> totem kills x on amd64
[15:06] <Raspberry> can I use "do-release-upgrade --devel-release" even if I'm not running the "server" version of Ubuntu?  I'm just doing the upgrade over the network
[15:06]  * Davo_Dinkum wonders why totem exists.
[15:06]  * Raspberry wonders why NO Linux-based media players let you delete videos from the file system directly using the playlist
[15:07] <Raspberry> erle-: totem doesn't kill X on my amd64 install
[15:07] <erle-> not every time
[15:07] <Raspberry> never for me
[15:07] <Raspberry> playing video or audio?
[15:07] <erle-> i hope to find a reproducable situation
[15:07] <erle-> video
[15:08] <erle-> when its firefox plugon
[15:08] <erle-> plugin
[15:08] <Raspberry> nope -- I've watched 100s of vids lately (cleaning up video library, hence the delete feature) and haven't had it crash once
[15:08] <Raspberry> well that's different
[15:08] <erle-> its firefox 3 beta 5
[15:09] <Raspberry> a better statement might have been "totem embedded in firefox crashes X, but not every time"
[15:09] <erle-> maybe it is a firefox error
[15:09] <erle-> but it should not kill x
[15:09] <ikonia> Raspberry: does windows media players allow that ?
[15:09] <erle-> maybe there is a illegal access to xvideo
[15:09] <Raspberry> ikonia: I didn't know Windows and Linux were in competition :)
[15:09] <ikonia> Raspberry: I didn't say they where
[15:09] <Raspberry> ikonia: not that I'm aware of... Linux stuff usually has the better "common-sense" features
[15:09] <h3sp4wn> beta5 was/is more unreliable for me on i386 than any of the earlier betas were
[15:09] <ikonia> Raspberry: I asked if windows based playes allowed direct access to the file system
[15:09] <erle-> Raspberry, yes, you are right
[15:10] <Raspberry> erle-: intel video card?
[15:10] <h3sp4wn> You would never get something to do that as part of gnome
[15:10] <Raspberry> ikonia: i didn't know you asked that
[15:10] <h3sp4wn> (the whole thing is it presumes everyone is totally stupid)
[15:11] <erle-> Raspberry, yes
[15:11] <erle-> intel 945 in thinkpad x60
[15:11] <Raspberry> erle-: :)  I have an intel card too -- there are some issues with the driver and specifically the mesa library... are you using "standard" X or xgl?
[15:11] <Raspberry> erle-: I've got an X61 Tablet
[15:11] <erle-> xgl
[15:11] <erle-> compiz is running
[15:12] <Raspberry> erle-: that's your problem I'd guess... there are serious MESA problems with GL
[15:13] <Raspberry> erle-: been an issue since ~December ... anyway -- somebody just thought they fixed it in the development version for mesa... so they're pushing to get a bleeding-edge version of mesa in Ubuntu before release ... otherwise it'll be another 6+ months until it's fixed
[15:13] <Raspberry> erle-: I've been fighting to get the MESA issues fixed for months now
[15:13] <Raspberry> erle-: I'll find the specific ubuntu bug you want to track
[15:14] <Raspberry> you're going to want to add your model of laptop onto the list of systems with the issue ... they're compiling a list
[15:14] <erle-> ok
[15:15] <kjetilkWork> anybody else using synergy? It has become really unstable for me with Hardy and KDE4, segfaults every 20 minutes...
[15:15] <Raspberry> I think you're basically looking for Bug #120834
[15:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120834 in mesa "intel gm965 freezes with 3d applications" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120834
[15:15] <Raspberry> erle-: even though you have a 945
[15:16] <Raspberry> erle-: they both use MESA
[15:16] <hti_pro> is there a hotkey to bring up a terminal, as opposed to using the menu
[15:16] <erle-> but this is no "3d application"
[15:16] <erle-> i think it is a problem with xvideo
[15:16] <Raspberry> erle-: you're running Compiz
[15:16] <Raspberry> and xgl
[15:17] <Raspberry> erle-: if you think it's different -- open a new bug... :)   I don't want to discourage you from doing that
[15:17] <crdlb> erle-: why on earth are you using Xgl?
[15:18]  * Raspberry can use compiz in hardy w/o xgl
[15:18] <erle-> i did not activate xgl explicitely
[15:18] <erle-> maybe it is not running
[15:18] <crdlb> if it's installed, you're using it
[15:18] <erle-> i know that i have the driver "intel" running
[15:18] <Raspberry> erle-: uninstall the xgl package :)
[15:18] <erle-> and compiz
[15:18] <crdlb> since gutsy, it sets itself up automatically
[15:18] <zeld> re hi!
[15:18] <zeld> : )
[15:19] <zeld> i've solved the problem with ati driver....
[15:19] <erle-> Raspberry, it is not installed
[15:19] <zeld> the proprietary driver..
[15:19] <crdlb> erle-: xserver-xgl?
[15:19] <zeld> fglrx
[15:19] <erle-> crdlb, yes
[15:19] <h3sp4wn> Compiz seems to work really well on that ati X1050
[15:19] <erle-> this installation was a gutsy before
[15:19] <h3sp4wn> s/that/the
[15:19] <gaetronik> Hi
[15:19] <Raspberry> erle-: then you're not using it :)  so check for firefox / totem bugs
[15:20] <gaetronik> is the netboot archive broken
[15:20] <gaetronik> ?
[15:20] <erle-> Raspberry, i will try to find out more exactly what causes the problem before
[15:21] <Raspberry> erle-: do you have a link / website I can load in firefox to reproduce this... i'm running amd64
[15:21] <gaetronik> It reclams about kernel module which are not at the same version as the installer kernel
[15:21] <RyanPrior> The function keyboard on my laptop to toggle the touchpad on/off doesn't work. I'm on a Toshiba Satellite A105-S2001. Any suggestions?
[15:21] <erle-> Raspberry, it doesnt show up every time
[15:21] <erle-> thats the problem
[15:21] <Raspberry> that's fine
[15:21] <Raspberry> I'll just try it over and over again
[15:21] <Raspberry> :)
[15:23] <lucypher> Hi I have some issues with hardy and a python app I used with no problems in Gutsy
[15:23] <lucypher> http://rafb.net/p/h9SsTP57.html
[15:24] <erle-> Raspberry, the problem showed up only very few times
[15:24] <erle-> maybe 3 or 4 times since hardy beta release
[15:25] <erle-> and i watch many videos every day
[15:25] <Raspberry> erle-: well without a working url that has embedded video / audio to call totem -- it's basically a moot point whether it's an issue
[15:26] <erle-> i was watching a live stream a few minutes before
[15:26] <erle-> but it is closed now
[15:26] <erle-> it was a embedded windows media stream
[15:26] <erle-> http://www.phoenix.de/livestream/
[15:27] <erle-> (german parliament :D)
[15:27] <amortvigil> hey my system wont recognize my ntfs filesystem anymore how can i fix it?
[15:28] <Raspberry> amortvigil: install ntfs-3g package
[15:28] <gaetronik> no one with netboot install issue?
[15:28] <erle-> Raspberry, try to open extern player and things
[15:28] <dns53> install ntfs3g or mount manually?
[15:28] <Splex> what is the default perms of /media ?
[15:28] <erle-> there is now a video stream online
[15:29] <Splex> anybody else having troubles mounting smb/cifs shares in nautilus?
[15:29] <amortvigil> Dns53 ntfs3g is reporting the error it cant be recognized .... and i can mount my other ntfs partition but not my windows one
[15:29] <hti_pro> i try to stay away from anything microsoft
[15:29] <amortvigil> dns53 ntfs3g is installes by default btw
[15:30] <Splex> When I attempt to connect to a smb share with nautilus, the mount point appears on my desktop, but i cannot open it.  it just timesout
[15:30] <Raspberry> amortvigil: did you get a msg that says that the drive is not "clean"
[15:30] <amortvigil> no
[15:30] <Splex> however, i can run the smbmount command without any difficulties
[15:30] <Raspberry> amortvigil: you could try to add -o force to the mount statement and see if it works
[15:30] <Raspberry> Splex: I've had issues with Naut SMB mounts so I quit using it
[15:30] <amortvigil> Raspberry no that wont work
[15:31] <Splex> Raspberry:  what do you do instead?
[15:31] <Raspberry> amortvigil: can you try and mount the ntfs partition in windows?
[15:31] <amortvigil> cant get in it while booting i got the same error
[15:31] <Raspberry> Splex: I found a cool way to have them mount on boot (or mount whenever I want) from inside the fstab
[15:32] <Raspberry> Splex: using cifscredentials -- so your password isn't in the fstab in plain text
[15:33] <Raspberry> Splex: I was having them auto mount on session login, but that crashed all the time
[15:33] <Splex> Raspberry:  btw, are the issues similar to what im describing?  and im also using fstab right now as an alternative...  however, i like the flexibility of connecting to all the different shares on my network without having to have all those fstab entries
[15:33] <Raspberry> Splex: yes the issues were similar to what you were describing ... I also tried to mount them as SSH shares instead of SMB ... that was even less stable
[15:34] <amortvigil> Raspberry: i got the same error while booting
[15:34] <Raspberry> amortvigil: booting into Windows?
[15:34] <amortvigil> yes
[15:34] <Raspberry> amortvigil: have you run a chkdsk in windows against the drive?
[15:34] <Raspberry> Splex: I set them up using "Services" under Administration --
[15:34] <Splex> Raspberry:  what type of shares?  linux samba/cifs, windows?
[15:34] <alphakamp> 8.04 beta needs more than 8 GB of space?
[15:35] <Niklas_E> is xmms removed from ubuntu? there is one xmms2 but that ain't any gui to that right?
[15:35] <Raspberry> Niklas_E: not sure
[15:35] <amortvigil> Raspberry no dont think so just installed windows yesterday
[15:35] <Raspberry> amortvigil: try to run a chkdsk against the drive in windows and see if it works
[15:35] <Raspberry> amortvigil: or rather comes out 100% clean
[15:36] <amortvigil> Raspberry but how can i get in windows?
[15:36] <h3sp4wn> Niklas_E: Still in the hardy repos
[15:37] <juri__> gah, i just noticed that evolution in hardy has managed to somehow corrupt my inbox index, there's wrong stuff coming up when i click on messages in the list
[15:37] <amortvigil> if it gives my a error that the ntfs filesystem can not bet recognized
[15:37] <juri__> does anyone know how to force it to regenerate the index?
[15:37] <Niklas_E> aha
[15:38] <Raspberry> amortvigil: it's your boot drive?
[15:38] <Raspberry> Splex: linux smb and some windows
[15:39] <Splex> another issue I am having recently when running apt-get upgrade:  The following packages have been kept back: grub initramfs-tools udev   --  how do i get these packages to upgrade?
[15:39] <_ruben> dist-upgrade instead of upgrade ?
[15:40] <Splex> _ruben: thanks, worked like a charm :)
[15:40] <Raspberry> amortvigil: you're confusing me?  Do you need Linux Support or Windows Support?
[15:40] <macogw> is anyone else unable to receive keys from a keyserver through Seahorse?
[15:40] <Raspberry> macogw: haven't tried
[15:41] <macogw> Raspberry: can you open Seahorse and click "Find Remote Keys" and try to import mine?
[15:42] <macogw> Raspberry: my name's Mackenzie Morgan and the Key ID is BC8D3269
[15:42] <macogw> for me, hitting import doesnt do anything
[15:43] <amortvigil> Raspberry, yesterday i reinstalled windows and then linux , i tuned linux a bit up ( with the africa theme and grub-gfx ) then it started with not loading the ntffs partion and not booting windows anymore
[15:43] <Raspberry> macogw: is that just "Password and Encryption keys" in Preferences?
[15:43] <macogw> Raspberry: applications -> accessories -> then yeah that
[15:43] <amortvigil> Raspberry: it says it cant recognize the ntfs filesystem
[15:43] <macogw> i think the preferences one is about your own keys....not positive
[15:43] <amortvigil> Raspberry: and it says this : Unexpected clusters per mft record (-1).
[15:44] <Raspberry> macogw: I'll go your way -- they need to be a lot more clear with some of these names :)
[15:44] <macogw> Raspberry: the one in preferences says "encryption and keyrings" when i look...
[15:44] <Raspberry> macogw: yup -- totally diff
[15:45] <Raspberry> macogw: start the one under Prefs and then look at the application bar (bottom of screen) the name is different
[15:45] <Raspberry> macogw: ok -- I found your key...
[15:46] <Raspberry> macogw: import does nothing
[15:46] <macogw> Raspberry: i dont use that panel... but that thing is the settings window that would be inside seahorse.
[15:46] <macogw> k
[15:46]  * macogw goes to report the bug
[15:46]  * Raspberry goes back to dist-upgrading his MythTV box
[15:47] <Raspberry> I'm tired of X crashing all the time w/ Gutsy
[15:47] <Raspberry> :P
[15:47] <suubpar> oops
[15:47] <Raspberry> amortvigil: your issue really sounds like a big mess ... a lot of time to debug
[15:47] <suubpar> anyone had problems with today's updates?
[15:48] <Raspberry> amortvigil: honest suggestion ... don't install grub-gfx ... don't screw around with the vanilla install of Ubuntu until you have your other OSes setup
[15:48] <mark__> i have just installed ubuntu 8.04 worked fine at first but now that i have done all the updates it wont boot. Whre do I start to fix this?
[15:48] <Raspberry> amortvigil: I'd blow away the whole thing and install Windows... THEN install linux
[15:48] <Raspberry> suubpar: not yet
[15:48] <Raspberry> mark__: what's the error when it won't boot?
[15:49] <mark__> Loading Hardware Drivers......FAIL
[15:49] <amortvigil> Raspberry: i had windows installed....
[15:49] <mark__> and thats where it is now
[15:50] <Raspberry> amortvigil: my guess would be grub-gfx goof'd something up ... If you already have Windows installed and you don't think it's the problem... reinstall Linux just format the linux partitions during the isntall and leave windows alone -- should be working after you tried that
[15:50] <Raspberry> mark__: wow, never seen that
[15:51] <macogw> k new bug 215729
[15:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215729 in seahorse "Seahorse fails to import keys" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215729
[15:51] <mark__> it was ok till i udated it
[15:51] <mark__> updated^^
[15:52] <mark__> any idea where I should start?
[15:53] <hti_pro> where can i get info on current bugs with hardy beta
[15:53] <gaetronik> where i could say that the netboot.tar.gz for amd-64 i bad
[15:53] <macogw> hti_pro: launchpad.net
[15:54] <hti_pro> is there like /join #mythtv-users
[15:54] <mark__> just rebooted in recovery mode
[15:55] <macogw> hti_pro: yes
[15:55] <mark__> hda_codec: unknown model for ad1988, trying auto-probe from BIOS
[15:55] <hti_pro> sorry, i started to ask a question and then tried to join mythtv-users
[15:55] <hti_pro> totally not what i intended
[15:56] <hti_pro> go i feel stupid, such a newbie question
[15:56] <mark__> that faled
[15:57] <mark__> now its stuck on "loading Manual Drivers"
[15:57] <mark__> are there any clues there?
[15:57] <Raspberry> mark__: you're running Hardy?
[15:57] <mark__> yes
[15:57] <jimmyspar1> Hi fellow ubuntuers
[15:58] <jimmyspar1> whys my name irc.ubuntu.com? lol
[15:58] <jimmyspar1> bloody pidgin
[15:58] <mark__> it was ok until I updated
[15:59] <nosrednaekim> jimmyspar1: I see it as jimmyspar1
[15:59] <jimmyspar1> hummmn... thats odd!
[15:59] <jimmyspar1> ﻿
[15:59] <jimmyspar1> nosrednaekim: jimmyspar1: I see it as jimmyspar1
[15:59] <jimmyspar1> irc.ubuntu.com: hummmn... thats odd!
[16:00] <macogw> jimmyspar1: your name's jimmyspar1
[16:00] <mark__> am I stuck with windows?
[16:00] <jimmyspar1> lol apparently so, not on my screen its not though
[16:03] <chds1> jimmyspar1: Do you have a local alias set up for the IRC account in pidgin?
[16:03] <mark__> it seems i have a read only file system
[16:03] <mark__> what does that mean
[16:04] <nosrednaekim> in any case... you chouldn't really be using pidgin for IRC.. use Xchat or something
[16:04] <chds1> nosrednaekim: Why is that?
[16:04] <nosrednaekim> mark__: means you can't write to it.... like a liveCD
[16:04] <mark__> thats useful
[16:04] <nosrednaekim> chds1: because pidgin does not have alot of the features that a good irc client will have
[16:04] <mark__> how do I change it?
[16:05] <bcnl> hello, I'm running the latest 8.0.4 beta and I can't run the restricted drivers installer
[16:05] <bcnl> jockey-gtk and jockey-kde both crash
[16:05] <chds1> nosrednaekim: Such as?
[16:06] <nosrednaekim> the implementation is screwey for basic connecting.... you get like three extra tabs just for the connection
[16:06] <Splex> I am running Gnome on a radeon mobility x1700,  i have little black lines which appear on window titlebars and along the upper menu of the screen (happens in full screen apps as well)  when my mouse hovers over those lines, the mouse is rendered correctly without any black lines, so i know it is not the screen.  any way to fix this glitch?  it never was a problem in gutsy
[16:07] <Splex> oh also, it does show up in screenshots
[16:09] <bcnl> http://pastebin.ca/981076
[16:09] <mark__> so how do i set my filesystemto writable?
[16:13] <h3sp4wn> mount -o remount,rw ?
[16:13] <mark__> i'll try
[16:13] <mohbana> how do i uninstall mysql? that i installed through tasksel?
[16:15] <mark__> that gave a huge list of stuff
[16:15] <chdst> mark__: you have to specify a device or mount point
[16:16] <chdst> For example: mount - remount,rw /dev/sda2
[16:16] <chdst> Except I forgot the 'o' :)
[16:17] <mark__> if im not sure which device it is?
[16:17] <chdst> Type 'mount' with no options to get a quick list of mounted filesystems
[16:18] <chdst> The output will be a few lines of "[device] on [mountpoint] type [filesystem] ([mount options])"
[16:20] <bcnl> is anyone else having problems with jockey-[gtk|kde] ?
[16:21] <bcnl> http://pastebin.ca/981076
[16:25] <nosrednaekim> bcnl: thats a pretty nasty bug, better report it
[16:27] <leszek_> hi
[16:28] <leszek_> does anybody know a fast mirror for hardy daily build (region: germany) ?
[16:29] <nosrednaekim> torrent ;)
[16:29] <nosrednaekim> hrm.... but not for daily
[16:29] <leszek_> hmm 120 kB/s is a little bit slow xD
[16:34] <num> hello can someone point me to a documentation for ACPI and ubuntu?
[16:36] <num> usplash displays a few statusinformation during boot which doesn't fit right to the screen, can i have it dissapear?
[16:37] <h3sp4wn> just remove splash from the defualt options
[16:37] <num> h3sp4wn: will this remove the splash generally?
[16:37] <h3sp4wn> num: It won't remove the packages but you will just get a normal bootup
[16:37] <bcnl> nosrednaekim: ok, will do
[16:37] <bcnl> any suggestions for a work around?
[16:38] <bcnl> is there a file I can edit somewhere that I can enable the drivers by hand?
[16:38] <num> i wanted to have the messages dissapear for the splash screen
[16:39] <nosrednaekim> bcnl: yeah... what driver are you trying to enable?
[16:39] <h3sp4wn> Not the splash screen itself
[16:39] <h3sp4wn> ?
[16:39] <bcnl> nvidia, and broadcam 43xx wireless
[16:39] <hischild> what software would be recommended for a fileserver that will serve files to both linux and windows clients and also allow uploads based on login?
[16:39] <bcnl> hischild: samba :>
[16:40] <nosrednaekim> bcnl: nvidias are easy, I don't know about the broadcoms
[16:40] <h3sp4wn> hischild: Freebsd or Solaris or Nexenta
[16:40] <bcnl> nosrednaekim: I await your learned response
[16:40] <hischild> h3sp4wn, those are OS's iirc
[16:40] <num> ohh it is the quiet option in grubs menu.lst file
[16:40] <h3sp4wn> hischild: (Anything with zfs)
[16:40] <nosrednaekim> bcnl: just run "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new" and change the driver in the xorg.conf to nvidia
[16:40] <leszek_> bye all
[16:41] <bcnl> nosrednaekim: what do I change in xorg, sadly last time I configured X11 it was XFree86
[16:41] <nothing_new> hey ... i don't know why .. but the python process is gobbling up memory like mad
[16:41] <nothing_new> mine is up to 300MB of ram
[16:41] <nosrednaekim> bcnl: pastebin the file and i'll take a look
[16:41] <h3sp4wn> hischild: Thats true but you cannot have a proper zfs implimentation with Linux (only the toy fuse thing)
[16:41] <nothing_new> it usually hovers around 40
[16:42] <hischild> bcnl, last time i used samba i got up to the amazing speed of at least 1,4mbps
[16:42] <nosrednaekim> nothing_new: which python process? what python program...
[16:42] <nothing_new> ummm it's just called python in the task manager
[16:42] <hischild> h3sp4wn, i'm asking here because i run ubuntu. I'm not going to switch to a different OS just for this.
[16:42] <num> when i disable acpi at boot time i can regulate the contrast of my notebook with the FN keys, when i enable the ACPI then i can't has anyone got a solutino for it
[16:42] <SilverDawn> Are there cflags for mmx, sse & sse2?
[16:42] <SilverDawn> Or are those just useflags
[16:43] <nothing_new> ahh it's in relation to screenlets
[16:43] <nothing_new> in particular one for pidgin
[16:43] <W8TAH> can someone please suggest a good looking dvd player for hardy -- im using video player and its... ehhh -- ok but not that good lookin id like something a little more showy i guess
[16:43] <h3sp4wn> hischild: Nexenta is basically Ubuntu with an opensolaris kernel (so you can still have zfs)
[16:44] <hischild> h3sp4wn, i am not looking for something that is basically ubuntu and then has something different. I want it to just run on my laptop.
[16:44] <bcnl> nosrednaekim: I just ran sudo nvidia-xconfig
[16:44] <bcnl> that made me a proper looking xorg.conf
[16:44] <nosrednaekim> ok
[16:45] <bcnl> user switcher crashed though, but I might try a reboot
[16:45] <h3sp4wn> hischild: Good luck then - there is no decent Linux fileserver software unless you spend tons of money
[16:45] <hischild> h3sp4wn, i don't need advice from someone with that attitude, thank you.
[16:45] <bcnl> hischild: I've never had problems with samba
[16:46] <bcnl> hischild: I move 20+GB amongst all sorts of clients on a daily basis
[16:46] <bcnl> mac, win, lin, fbsd, etc
[16:46] <hischild> bcnl, i'm fairly sure i did a misconfigure somewhere but i'm probably looking over it. Would you mind helping me get it up and running?
[16:46] <bcnl> yea I can take a peek
[16:47] <hischild> bcnl, so far what i've done is just use the share which comes under properties in nautilus
[16:47] <nothing_new> any idea for this huge memory consuption ??? (python  ... pidgin screenlet)
[16:48] <Araneidae> Is now a plausible time to upgrade from 7.10?  I mean, is the beta healthy today? ;)
[16:48] <CoasterMaster> Is there a page to where I can check to see if certain backages are broken?
[16:52] <bcnl> hischild: build a config file by hand
[16:52] <bcnl> read the manpage, it's actually quite descriptive
[16:52] <hischild> bcnl, when i did that i kind of got lost, but i'll see what i can do to give it another shot then
[16:53] <bicyclis1> Araneidae well to me it is quiet stable but i would not recommend it on the computer you depend upon til at least the rc.
[16:54] <hischild> bcnl, ok i need one last pointer then. Where is the file located and should i need to install something else?
[16:59] <h3sp4wn> bcnl: Serving the files isn't the issue but keeping them consistant and backed up etc
[17:01] <cwillu> I sure wish I knew how to make pulse not skip horrendously
[17:02] <h3sp4wn> Has you messed around with the pulse-rt group and all htat
[17:02] <h3sp4wn> I have it working quite reliably with OSS4 now
[17:02] <cwillu> I'm in the pulse-rt group
[17:03] <cwillu> still doesn't start in realtime though
[17:03] <cwillu> (including with the --realtime=true option)
[17:03] <andre__> Hi, I just wondered how I can setup my encrypted ubuntu to use a keyfile on my usb rather than type in my 30+ character passphrase twice (once for root and once again for home partition) on each bootup? :)
[17:05] <cwillu> I also get really loud static from various programs randomly
[17:05] <h3sp4wn> I sometimes get that as well thought that could be an OSS issue though
[17:06] <h3sp4wn> But they are not that load
[17:06] <h3sp4wn> s/load/loud
[17:06] <cwillu> not running oss
[17:06] <cwillu> it's full volume
[17:06] <cwillu> by which I mean, full range
[17:06] <cwillu> I've only ever noticed it in glx apps though (probably a side effect of their cpu usage?)
[17:07] <h3sp4wn> I dunno its hard to trust something that is advertised as bit perfect
[17:07] <h3sp4wn> and blatently is far from it
[17:12] <savvas> how can i find the character number for this character: �
[17:13] <savvas> it's utf8
[17:15] <Pici> savvas: Open up gucharmap and use the find feature.
[17:19] <dreq> did hardy just break something?
[17:19] <Ng> maybe
[17:19] <dreq> I had to boot in on the next-to-latest kernel to get in
[17:20] <esox> I I need an advice. I had to change my HD, I'm now on patrition step...fot hardy is it better to choose ext3 or reiserfs or xfs ? for both root and home. For windows ntfs or fat32 ?
[17:20] <dreq> apt-get wouldn't even work on command-line on the latest
[17:20] <Ng> slightly more specificity would be good
[17:20] <dreq> let me see if i can pull the error log
[17:20] <Ng> esox: ext3 and ntfs is fine
[17:20] <esox> Ng: thanks, can ntfs volume e read trough network by a mac ?
[17:21] <esox> be read
[17:22] <Ng> esox: not sure
[17:23] <esox> and I was ready to make 2 primary partitions for windows and /. plus 2 extended for /home and windows datas. Is it a good thing ? Plus a 1,5 Go swap/linux partition. No need for /boot partition ?
[17:23]  * cwillu fires up halflife
[17:23] <dreq> i can't see anything in the error logs
[17:24] <dreq> but basically the first time, it would only get a little ways across on the bootup progress bar, and just stop
[17:24] <esox> Ng: the swap partition has to be primary or extended ?
[17:24] <dreq> the second attempt, X would refuse to run
[17:24] <Ng> esox: I don't think it matters
[17:24] <esox> Ng: ok
[17:24] <dreq> third attempt i booted in recovery mode and apt-get wouldn't work saying some file is corrupt
[17:25] <esox> lets go
[17:25] <dreq> though booting into this version runs just fine
[17:25] <Ng> dreq: try again, when you're at the boot menu, press e to edit the latest one and take "quiet splash" off the end of the line that starts "kernel", then press b
[17:25] <Ng> that'll make it print more kernel information as it boots
[17:25] <dreq> ok
[17:25] <dreq> be right back
[17:29] <dreq> got it
[17:30] <dreq> it hangs on "nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel."
[17:30] <dreq> pressing alt+ctrl+del causes it to continue booting, at which point it throws a cannot start x blue screen
[17:31] <dreq> only does this on the new kernel
[17:32] <dreq> vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic is the kernel that breaks, vmlinuz-2.6.24-15-generic is the kernel that works
[17:32] <Ng> dreq: interesting, I see at least one other report of that
[17:32] <Ng> maybe something is wrong with it
[17:34] <Ng> dreq: stick with -15 for a bit, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 16.22 is coming shortly
[17:35] <hackel> It seems that whenever I upgrade xorg, I am no longer able to connect to the X server until I restart X...is there no way around this?  It's really annoying.
[17:35] <dreq> ok Ng
[17:36] <dreq> you guys are doing great, I expect a hickup or two with unstable, but this is the first time it's ever slipped so great job
[17:37] <Parsi> hi, GNOME 2.22.1 will came with Hardy?
[17:39] <bibstha> sun-java6 broken on hardy may be due to hardy?
[17:48] <trolleh> hrm. Been trying to boot from the livecd, and it appears to just hang. Removed quiet and splash from boot options, and just get a loop of 'failed to enable atapi' for the cdrom. It's a SATA drive, chipset is intel ICH9 in AHCI mode.
[17:49] <Pelo> good afternoon folks
[17:50] <leftyfb> Has anyone successfully compiled the vmmon modules for vmware under Hardy? I've tried the "any any" patch, but still fails on "include/asm/bitops_32.h:9:2: error" and won't compile the module.
[17:50] <savvas> thanks Pici ;)
[17:50] <Pici> Surely.
[17:50] <Pelo> my usb flash drives (one mp3 player, one keychaine) now mount with READ-ONLY permission , what gives ?  Fat32 both
[17:52] <leftyfb> Pelo: sudo apt-get install ntfs-config && sudo apt-get install ntfs-config
[17:52] <Pici> fat32 != ntfs
[17:53] <leftyfb> thanks
[17:53] <besonen_pidgin> where can i find an iso of 8.04 with kde 4?  all of the links that i've found that are supposed to provide this iso don't work.
[17:53] <leftyfb> afaik, it enables the fuse fs to mount filesystems it supports(ntfs, fat32) as read/write
[17:53] <Pelo> leftyfb, this is a new problem since I upgraded to the beta 3 days ago , it's not an ntfs thing
[17:53] <leftyfb> I jsut said it's not an ntfs thing
[17:54] <leftyfb> try it
[17:55] <Pelo> leftyfb, both the command in the line you gave are "instal" shoudln'T the first one be remove ?
[17:55] <leftyfb> oops
[17:55] <leftyfb> Pelo: sudo apt-get install ntfs-config && sudo ntfs-config
[17:55] <leftyfb> there
[17:55] <leftyfb> when the window pops up, check both box's
[17:56] <Pelo> doing it now
[17:56] <Pelo> leftyfb, wold this also be the cause of why my propêrly working /dev/sda2 partions started to get mounted on the desktop for no apparent reason ?
[17:57] <leftyfb> nope
[17:57] <leftyfb> that part bugs me too
[17:57] <visik7> hello everybody
[17:58] <Pelo> leftyfb,  I kind of solved it by remounting it to /mnt  and making a sym link for the old location,  it doesn'T show up on the decktop anymore if that is anyhelp,  but it feels like cheating
[17:58] <visik7> anyone with nvidia in dual head ? compiz doesn't work while in single head works perfectly
[17:58] <visik7> no problem at all on 7.10
[17:59] <cyclonut> Has anyone else gotten breakage/nonbootage from the latest updates?
[18:00] <leftyfb> Pelo: good workaround, but i'm not comfortable mounting my /home to /mnt and then symlinking to /home :)
[18:00] <chtri> my monitor switches off during usplash, happen with x64, dosnt happen with x86.
[18:00] <Totem> I am trying to intall Code::Blocks, which requires GTK+, which requires ATK, which requires GLIB. I Installed GLib, but when I try to configure atk, it says Glib isn't new enough. GTK+ also requires GLib, but it DOES recognize GLib as new enough. What's going one? I have the newest version
[18:00] <Totem> *going on
[18:00] <Pelo> leftyfb, I didn'T do that for /home  , my /home on a seperate partiton mounts fine, mind you , it is on the same hdd as my / , just a different partition
[18:01] <cyclonut> im guessing there was a kernel updtae
[18:01] <Totem> is there some easy way to install atk with apt-get?
[18:01] <Pelo> can anyone tell me what the umask is for   gconf-editor /storage/default_options/vfat ?
[18:01] <crdlb> Totem: all of those packages are in the repos
[18:01] <crdlb> and all are installed in a stock ubuntu install
[18:01] <Totem> crdlb: ... what is repos?
[18:02] <Pici> Totem: What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[18:02] <sanchinpin> help me.....
[18:02] <sanchinpin> I have ubuntu 8.04
[18:02] <sanchinpin> i need the libraries libblas.so.3
[18:02] <Totem> ok, then at then why does GTK+ say this when I install? (I'm using Hardy)
[18:02] <Totem> checking for BASE_DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.13.5    atk >= 1.9.0    pango >= 1.17.3    cairo >= 1.2.0) were not met:
[18:02] <Totem> No package 'atk' found
[18:02] <Totem> No package 'pango' found
[18:03] <cyclonut> cant help w/out you telling us what the problem is
[18:03] <crdlb> Totem: because it's checking for the .pc file
[18:03] <sanchinpin> i have install the packets Atlas
[18:03] <crdlb> which is provided by the development package
[18:03] <Totem> crdlb: so I don't need to install GTK+?
[18:03] <sanchinpin> but not work.
[18:03] <crdlb> Totem: but do _not_ install gtk+ like that
[18:03] <Totem> oh, ok
[18:03] <crdlb> Totem: and if you installed glib like that, you made a big mistake
[18:03] <sanchinpin> have some this libraries?
[18:03] <Totem> Ya, I did
[18:03] <Totem> what's bad about that?
[18:03] <sanchinpin> locate libblas.so.3
[18:04] <crdlb> installing system libraries from source is just bad
[18:04] <cyclonut> did you check google?
[18:04] <Pici> Totem: Ubuntu is not meant to be installed by compiling everything, you should be installing things from the repositories.
[18:04] <crdlb> Totem: did you use a plain './configure', or did you change the prefix?
[18:04] <sanchinpin> I have used synaptic manager.
[18:04] <sanchinpin> have someone this libraries?
[18:04] <Pici> !software | Totem
[18:04] <ubotu> Totem: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[18:05] <Totem> crdlb: ./configure
[18:05] <sanchinpin> locate libblas.so.3
[18:05] <Totem> !packages
[18:05] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[18:05] <Pici> sanchinpin: What are you looking to do?
[18:05] <crdlb> Totem: then you can safely run: sudo make uninstall
[18:05] <Pelo> leftyfb, no love , but I did make a small edit in gconf-editor which I am resetting now, I'll see afterward if it works
[18:05] <crdlb> in the directory where you ran ./configure for glib
[18:05] <Totem> what if the package I want isn't in the repos?
[18:05] <sanchinpin> Pici: I need this libraries:
[18:05] <sanchinpin> libblas.so.3 and liblapack.so.3
[18:06] <sanchinpin> Use to be in some packets called Atlas.
[18:06] <hmuller> Anyone else having problems with the new -16 kernel that was just pushed out?
[18:06] <sanchinpin> I have tried install everithing but no results.
[18:06] <Totem>  alright, then how do I install Code::Blocks?
[18:06] <Totem> That's not in the repos
[18:06] <Pici> sanchinpin: That is in atlas3-base package.
[18:06] <sanchinpin> Is not in my package.
[18:07] <sanchinpin> Pici: I can do it again.
[18:07] <Totem> If something I want isn't in the official repos, can I just install it the way it says to in the installation README?
[18:07] <crdlb> Totem: you need to install the -dev packages for the packages you want to build against
[18:08] <sanchinpin> Pici: I just to install  atlas3-base package again
[18:08] <Pici> sanchinpin: you need to run updatedb before you can run locate. or use find
[18:08] <sanchinpin> and the
[18:09] <sanchinpin> ... Pici!!!
[18:09] <sanchinpin> YOU ARE THE BEST
[18:09] <crdlb> Totem: however, I see a .deb package available on codeblocks.org
[18:09] <Pici> sanchinpin: glad to hear you found it
[18:09] <bipolar> Is anyone using shared folders in virtualbox?
[18:10] <bicyclist> Yes me, why ?
[18:10] <Totem> crdlb: All I really want to do is install Code::Blocks, and the reason I was trying to install from source was because when I tried to run the .deb files, I got this error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libcodeblocks0
[18:10] <sanchinpin> and do you know in which packet is liblapack.so.3??
[18:10] <bipolar> I can't get it to work. Windows Xp tells me it can't connect to \\vboxsrv
[18:10] <Totem> where do I get this? This is very frustrating
[18:10] <bipolar> bicyclist: are you running XP as a guest?
[18:10] <Totem> !packages
[18:10] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[18:10] <bicyclist> Yes, and it works just fine but i have the add ons installed.
[18:11] <sanchinpin> Pici: do you know in which packet is liblapack.so.3??
[18:11] <bipolar> bicyclist: I did install the guest addons
[18:11] <crdlb> Totem: it's in the same archive of .deb packages
[18:11] <bipolar> bicyclist: you didn't have to do anything other then define the shares in vbox to get it to work?
[18:11] <bicyclist> I did have to connect to the network drive ;)
[18:11] <bipolar> bicyclist: are you using nat or bridged networking?
[18:12] <bicyclist> nat
[18:12] <bipolar> damn... same here.
[18:12] <Totem> oh, I feel very, very stupid now
[18:12] <Pici> sanchinpin: you can use apt-file search to look for those files (thats what I'm doing), you may need to install apt-file first.
[18:12] <bipolar> bicyclist: when you go to an explorer window and try to browse \\vboxsrv, does it show you the shares?
[18:13] <bicyclist> Wait i will start vbox
[18:13] <pheld> ﻿sanchinpin: dpkg -S /usr/lib/liblapack.so.3
[18:13] <pheld> lapack3: /usr/lib/liblapack.so.3
[18:13] <Totem> so.. .deb is basically the same as a Windows .msi
[18:13] <Totem> right?
[18:13] <dreq> heh
[18:13] <Totem> ,,, mm
[18:14] <crimsun> Totem: semantically, no.
[18:14] <Totem> I love Ubuntu so far, but right now I'm still stuck on Windows concepts
[18:14] <crimsun> Totem: of sort, maybe.
[18:14] <Totem> well, .deb is essentially an installer?
[18:14] <crimsun> no
[18:14] <crimsun> it's an ar file with control metadata.
[18:15] <bicyclist> Well try this:
[18:15] <Totem> I mean, if you run Package Manager
[18:15] <crimsun> i.e., you don't need dpkg to do anything with a .deb.  You can use ar.
[18:15] <bicyclist> try to connect network drvie via explorer
[18:15] <bipolar> bicyclist: ok
[18:15] <crimsun> Totem: yes, that's why I said above that "of sorts, maybe" it's similar to an MSI.
[18:16] <xtknight> mc works good for extracting debs
[18:16] <bicyclist> There you will find the virtualbox folders and can use them ..
[18:16] <Totem> sweet! I just did in two minutes that I have spent the last 3 hours trying to do the totally wrong way
[18:16] <bipolar> bicyclist: well, something works :)
[18:16] <slanning> hischild: after gdm login, it plays music, and I can move the mouse, but I have no graphical things like gnome panels anything: but I can open a graphical app in ctrl-alt-F9 terminal from F4 terminal like   DISPLAY=:0.0 gqview
[18:16] <crimsun> granted, actually using dpkg with a .deb is preferable, and using libapt-based tools with multiple .debs further preferable, ...
[18:16] <slanning> oops, sorry hischild - tab completed from "hi"
[18:17] <bipolar> bicyclist: I have a shared folder called "Documents", and I can browse \\vboxsrv\Documents, but not \\vboxsrv.
[18:17] <bipolar> bicyclist: and I can map the drive, too
[18:17] <bicyclist> There you go, that is the way it works for me.
[18:17] <Totem> sweet!
[18:17] <bipolar> bicyclist: not being able to browse to \\vboxsrv really threw me off
[18:17] <bicyclist> As i understand it, vboxsrv is just the hook for the drives ;)
[18:17] <slanning> by the way, I mentioned this also wednesday in case it's familiar, and the problem has been introduced in dist-upgrade from monday
[18:18] <Totem> Ok, then. You all seem helpful. I have another problem: I try to install the ati graphics drivers, but during the installation, I get thsi error and it aborts: X Server: unable to detect
[18:18] <Totem> How can I solve this?
[18:18] <xtknight> Totem, are you using the hardware drivers manager?
[18:18] <bipolar> bicyclist: I must have missed that in the documentation... thank you very much!
[18:19] <Totem> No, it doesn't look like it does anythng to me
[18:19] <bicyclist> Your welcome.
[18:19] <Totem> How should I use it?
[18:19] <xtknight> Totem, system->admin->hardware drivers does it all for you.  change the mindset of going to the source for finding things, to using what the OS provides you
[18:19] <xtknight> (former is windows mindset) :)
[18:19] <Totem> All it says is: no proprietary drivers are used on this system. There are no buttons to add new ones or anything
[18:20] <slanning> "Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)" is found in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:20] <xtknight> Totem, what video card do you have?
[18:20] <Totem> well, the drivers I have are .run installers.
[18:20] <Totem> I have an ati radeon
[18:20] <xtknight> Totem, do you know what model#?
[18:20] <xtknight> some new ones may require using the .run instead.
[18:21] <Totem> 9200
[18:21] <saminthemiddle> hey everyone
[18:21] <jyro> Anyone else here who can't boot today's kernel upgrade?
[18:21] <saminthemiddle> jyro, works fine here
[18:21] <xtknight> Totem,  hm i'm guessing that should be able to be installed by hardware drivers manager.  can you run "gksu jockey-gtk" from the terminal and see if any errors are printed?  jockey-gtk is the name for the hardware drivers manager
[18:22] <jyro> hmm my boot sequence gets stuck with something like heartbeat= 30sec
[18:22] <jyro> but the 15 kernel still works fine
[18:22] <Totem> that just opens the hardware drivers program
[18:22] <saminthemiddle> anyone here know how to get the machine to duel head? All I can get it to do is mirror
[18:22] <crdlb> Totem: you cannot use the proprietary ati driver on that card
[18:22] <saminthemiddle> I'm using an Intel GMA X3100 graphics card, btw
[18:22] <Totem> proprietary?
[18:23] <crdlb> Totem: use the default driver, it's your only choice and it works quite well
[18:23] <xtknight> oh you cant use fglrx on 9200?  does the open source provide 3d accel?
[18:23] <crdlb> Totem: the one from ati.com
[18:23] <Totem> It works, but it doesn't take advantage of the speed of my card.
[18:23] <crdlb> xtknight: indeed and yes
[18:23] <xtknight> ah
[18:23] <Totem> It is much, much slower than the most up to date one
[18:23] <saminthemiddle> Totem, you mean it does not do graphics acceleration?
[18:23] <crdlb> fglrx last supported the 9200 in version 8.28
[18:23] <Totem> I run Second Life, and on Windows with the newest driver, it runs perfectly with no lag at all.
[18:23] <Totem> Yes, that's what I mean
[18:24] <Totem> It works, it just isn't fast enough
[18:24] <crdlb> and there is no way to make that work on the latest Xorg server or linux kernel
[18:24] <Totem> it is very, very slow
[18:24] <Totem> and has other weird graphic problems
[18:24] <xtknight> second life is native linux?
[18:24] <crdlb> Totem: how are you measuring it?
[18:24] <Totem> I'm not sure
[18:24] <Totem> In comparison to running from Windows
[18:24] <Totem> on the same machine
[18:25] <xtknight> Totem, i mean, are you using wine to run second life on the linux machine or did you download "second life linux client"
[18:25] <saminthemiddle> Totem: if you run the command "glxinfo | less" and find the line "direct rendering" does it say yes or no?
[18:25] <Totem> No, it is native then
[18:25] <xtknight> well purportedly
[18:25] <Totem> Yes, native
[18:25] <sanchinpin> Pici: Thank you so much!!!
[18:25] <xtknight> some people just package wine with the linux client, but who knows
[18:25] <crdlb> Totem: gaming performance with that driver isn't great, but there is nothing you can do
[18:25] <sanchinpin> Pici: I was spending all of day and haf of yesterday!!
[18:25] <crdlb> you must use the default "ati" driver
[18:26] <sanchinpin> Pici: MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE
[18:26] <Pici> sanchinpin: Nah, I'm not a MOTU
[18:26] <saminthemiddle> Totem: is that "no, it says no" or "no, it says yes; that's not the problem"
[18:27] <Totem> I don't think it is the driver, There are no lag problems on Windows with the newest drivers. I don't think Second Life is packaged with anything. I am pretty sure it is native. I have a driver on my desktop, and it is a .run file. However, when I run it, it says this: X Server: Unable to detect
[18:27] <Totem> saminthemiddle: I couldn't find it
[18:27] <sanchinpin> Pici: Thank you again.
[18:27] <crdlb> Totem: it is the driver
[18:27] <crdlb> Totem: you cannot use the driver from ati.com
[18:27] <Totem> it says yes
[18:27] <Totem> crdlb: why not
[18:27] <Pici> Totem: The Windows ati drivers are not the same as the linux ones and do not necessarily support the same cards.
[18:28] <crdlb> oh, you never got that driver to install
[18:28] <wolf4914> nv driver will not load after upgrade to 2.6.24-15
[18:28] <saminthemiddle> Totem: try "glxinfo | head -n 3 | tail -n 1"
[18:28] <Totem> Pici: it is from the ati website and made for my card
[18:28] <crdlb> Totem: because ATI decided to drop support from r200 cards a long time ago
[18:28] <saminthemiddle> Totem: oh, okay then :-P
[18:28] <crdlb> because they felt they were sufficiently supported by the open source driver
[18:28] <crdlb> Totem: oh, then it gave you 8.28, which is far too old to install on hardy
[18:28] <icanhas> crdlb: can't he package that driver for ubuntu?
[18:28] <xtknight> hmm Automated installer and Display Drivers for XFree86 4.3 and X.Org 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 7.0, 7.1
[18:29] <hischild> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/binutils/+bug/215818 This one is known?
[18:29] <xtknight> crdlb, are you sure you can't install 8.28 on hardy?
[18:29] <crdlb> xtknight: quite sure
[18:29] <crdlb> xtknight: you couldn't even use it on feisty
[18:29] <xtknight> oh
[18:29] <crimsun> hischild: do you mean "do the devs know about it?"
[18:29] <xtknight> ya i guess the x.org driver is precompiled for certain versions that's why?
[18:29] <Totem> so, is there any way I can speed up Second Life?
[18:29] <hischild> crimsun, well on one hand i was hoping ubotu would show the bug. The other one was more a request if ppl here experience the same.
[18:29] <Totem> it is soo slow!!
[18:29] <crimsun> hischild: and it seems to be private, which makes it rather useless.
[18:30]  * icanhas waves at crimsun
[18:30] <crdlb> Totem: learn how to write drivers and improve the r200 driver :D
[18:30] <hischild> crimsun, i didn't set it at private. must be some option. Let me check.
[18:30] <Totem> crdlb: haha, that would be fun! Are you serious? Where do I learn that?
[18:30] <xtknight> Totem, well realistically i guess you could buy a new card
[18:31] <Totem> xtknight: Or... I could write a driver!
[18:31] <saminthemiddle> yeah, with the new X.org I can't figure out how to get it to recognize that I want to span desktops. I think the problem is the virtual desktops are too small but I don't know (much less how to fix it if that's the case now that X.Org seems to handle the conf file differently).
[18:31] <crdlb> actually, doing that would be a poor exercise since there are still no card specifications for the r200 cards
[18:31] <Totem> well, thanks for the help. I guess I can give up on that install
[18:31] <Totem> bye!
[18:31] <JMS> hello. i have been trying to get my wireless card up.  can anyone help?
[18:31] <saminthemiddle> Totem: bye! get a Nvidia card
[18:31] <Totem> r9200
[18:31] <Totem> not 200
[18:31] <xtknight> :P
[18:31] <crdlb> Totem: the family is r200
[18:31] <saminthemiddle> JMS: that depends on your wireless card ;-)
[18:31] <Totem> oh, ok
[18:31] <Totem> bye
[18:32] <JMS> i have linksys WPC54G
[18:32] <slanning> saminthemiddle: so there was an upgrade of X.org recently?
[18:32] <saminthemiddle> slanning: yeah, 8.04 uses X.Org 7.3
[18:32] <xtknight> saminthemiddle, some drivers use xrandr
[18:32] <xtknight> to configure multiscreen configs
[18:32] <xtknight> saminthemiddle, what video module are you runnig?
[18:33] <saminthemiddle> xtknight, yeah, I think the Intel GMA cards do. I thought that's what the gui did was provide a front end to xrandr
[18:33] <xtknight> saminthemiddle, yeah but is there an intel provided gui?  if not , gksu displayconfig-gtk should work
[18:33] <saminthemiddle> xtknight: thanks (looking though lsmod)
[18:34] <JMS> i have linksys WPC54G
[18:34] <saminthemiddle> xtknight: I'm running drm and i915 which are the right modules for my card
[18:34] <unimatrix9> JMS , so?
[18:34] <saminthemiddle> xtknight: I'm using the gnome gui from the default 8.04 install
[18:34] <JMS> thanks.  i have tried to use ndiswrapper and fwcutter to put driver and files in /lib/firmare, but still no go
[18:34] <Pici> JMS: What have you tried to get it to work?
[18:35] <xtknight> saminthemiddle, you have multiple monitors, right?
[18:35]  * slanning finally renounces and tries purging all nvidia packages
[18:35] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: Do you honestly think there will ever be a decent r200 oss driver ?
[18:35] <saminthemiddle> xtknight: of course. It's a laptop: one internal and an external
[18:35] <xtknight> no prolly all focus on radeonHD
[18:35] <crdlb> h3sp4wn: now that there are full specs for r300 and up, probably
[18:35] <Pici> slanning: Do you have ubuntu-restricted-modules installed? And are running the -generic kernel?
[18:36] <JMS> i copied the "bcmwl5.sys" file from my cd and placed in /lib/firmware per instructions from other Ubuntu wiki help
[18:36] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: There was always full specs for r200
[18:36] <crdlb> h3sp4wn: only in NDA
[18:36] <xtknight> saminthemiddle, what does gksu displayconfig-gtk do?
[18:36] <JMS> still no go
[18:36] <crdlb> and all the people who signed that NDA have moved on
[18:36] <crdlb> so no one has access to those specs anymore
[18:36] <JMS> any ideas?  i had it working in gutsy xubuntu, but not since upgrade to hardy
[18:37] <slanning> Pici: thanks, I'll check once all the linux-restricted-modules-* etc are finished purging and assuming my system still functions :)
[18:37] <unimatrix9> http://blog.eksfiles.net/2007/12/30/using-the-linksys-wpc54g-v2-and-wpa-with-ubuntu-gutsy/
[18:37] <unimatrix9> you did this already?
[18:37] <saminthemiddle> xtknight: one moment, working on it
[18:37] <JMS> let me check
[18:37] <unimatrix9> you need to copy more then just one file it seems
[18:38] <saminthemiddle> xtknight: I think it just froze >.<
[18:38] <JMS> i will try this and see how it goes.  i'll be back to report ASAP.  thanks!
[18:38] <unimatrix9> ok
[18:38] <unimatrix9> good luck!
[18:38] <JMS> tnx
[18:38] <saminthemiddle> xtknight: oops, wait. it was just lagging >.<
[18:38] <JMS> btw, you think this will work for hardy?
[18:38] <JMS> that is what i am presently running
[18:39] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: I think Xig will still have the best drivers
[18:39] <saminthemiddle> xtknight: it fails
[18:39] <unimatrix9> give it a try
[18:39] <JMS> ok
[18:40] <xtknight> saminthemiddle, what do you mean?
[18:40] <saminthemiddle> xtknight when I try to test it it says it can't
[18:40] <xtknight> saminthemiddle, unfortunately that's common.  the issue is that many drivers can not switch and test on the fly.  try saving to your X config and restarting X.  (however I'd back up your old X config if i were you)
[18:41] <Fritzel> there's something wrong with the -16 kernel
[18:41] <saminthemiddle> xtknight: okay, thanks. That means that I'm going to log off now. brb
[18:41] <xtknight> is there no restricted modules for the -16 kernel?
[18:42] <Pici> Fritzel: Whats wrong?
[18:42] <xtknight> hm nope i see restricted modules.  someone in here said they were having trouble
[18:42] <xtknight> anyway i get linux-image held back.  maybe theres' a problem or sometihng
[18:42] <Pici> Mines installing right now.
[18:43] <unimatrix9> JMS open gnome terminal and see wich version it is , lspci --nn
[18:43] <Fritzel> pici well I don't know how to diagnose it, but it got stuck when trying to load drivers, and I'm aware there's normally a longer boot but I finally restarted after waiting half an hour
[18:43] <xtknight> Fritzel, i'm going to upgrade and get back to you
[18:43] <xtknight> trying -16 kernel now
[18:43] <Fritzel> -nod- alright
[18:43] <xtknight> hopefully get back to you
[18:43] <xtknight> :P
[18:43] <mrmonday> where can I get a list of hardy's features? (or a list of features it will have when it's released)
[18:44] <Fritzel> can always come back to -15
[18:44] <xtknight> yea
[18:44] <xtknight> mrmonday, google hardy release notes
[18:44] <xtknight> someone made a simpler verison of it too
[18:44] <saminthemiddle> back
[18:44] <unimatrix9> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta
[18:45] <mrmonday> xtknight: cool, thanks =)
[18:45] <unimatrix9> hardy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta
[18:45] <saminthemiddle> xtknight: back, it didnt help and now my keymap is all messed up
[18:46] <xtknight> saminthemiddle, weird.  did you get a message saying x/gnome keys didnt match or something?
[18:46] <saminthemiddle> xtknight: no, I didn't
[18:46] <xtknight> hmm
[18:46] <xtknight> hey i gotta be right back, testing -16 kernel.  supposedlythere's problems with it
[18:47] <xtknight> saminthemiddle,  until then here's a good guide to configuring drivers which support randr1.2 (like intel): http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=927&num=2
[18:47] <saminthemiddle> xtknight: thanks
[18:48] <xtknight> saminthemiddle, actually for laptops this too. LVDS is typically internal while VGA is external, btw. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2
[18:48] <saminthemiddle> xtknight: okay, I'm restoring my xorg now. let's see if the keymap gets fixed
[18:48] <saminthemiddle> xtknight: brb
[18:48] <_Rambaldi_> is there a way to adjust my lcd brightness from terminal
[18:49] <hmuller> Anyone else reporting problems with the newly updated kernel?
[18:50] <saminthemiddle> back
[18:51] <_Rambaldi_> yeah, i lost lcd brightness control, worked on 2.6.24.12
[18:51] <alphakamp> Alright in my upgrade prosses I had an error-Gedit failed to install
[18:52] <slanning> Pici: I think I do have a generic kernel along with linux-restricted-modules-common (if you mean that instead of "ubuntu-restricted-modules")
[18:53] <vix85> I have a question. Whats the easiest way to install skype? Im using Ubuntu 8.04 beta amd64 platform.
[18:53] <alphakamp> subprocess post-install script returned error
[18:54] <alphakamp> System is completely locked up
[18:54] <hmuller> _Rambaldi_: I'm not sure that's the kernel, I think it may be recent PM changes that caused that, I've noticed problems with it too.
[18:54] <alphakamp> Where do I submit beta bug reports on launchpad
[18:55] <hmuller> vix85: maybe: sudo aptitude -y install skype
[18:55] <Ssam`> did anyone download from the alternative CD?
[18:55] <hmuller> alphakamp: same place as the rest of the ubuntu bugs.  You can tag it for Hardy, or add [Hardy] in the subject line.
[18:56] <Fritzel> ok I need to enable either ssh or telnet into my machine how to I enable that?
[18:56] <hmuller> Ssam`: no, I've never had good results with them.  I stick  to the desktop isos.
[18:57] <cyclonut> telnet username@machinename
[18:57] <cyclonut> or ip address
[18:57] <cyclonut> hmuller: yep, I cant boot with the new kernel
[18:57] <Fritzel> yes, but how do I enable it?
[18:57] <hmuller> cyclonut: good to know it's not just me  =)
[18:57] <cyclonut> hmuller: are you stuck at no boot as well
[18:57] <Fritzel> yeah kernel fails to boot here too, somewhere in drivers
[18:58] <Fritzel> or at least so far as I can tell
[18:58] <hmuller> cyclonut: yes
[18:58] <cyclonut> hrmm do any of you have broadcom cards?
[18:58] <Fritzel> is that lan?
[18:58] <cyclonut> or do you have ssb blacklisted?
[18:58] <_Rambaldi_> well it stoped working after i updated to ..14, booted in with the previous kernel and it worked, its a minor inconvinence, the only way to adjust is start up and change at grub screen. hmuller
[18:58] <cyclonut> Fritzel: wlan
[18:58] <hmuller> cyclonut: no, but mine did halt at iwl4965
[18:58] <Fritzel> I don't have a clue
[18:58] <Ssam`> lol i mistakingly downloaded the alternative
[18:58] <Ssam`> took a whole night
[18:58] <cyclonut> hmuller: humm
[18:58] <Fritzel> it's whatever's onboard
[18:58] <cyclonut> Fritzel: know thine hardware
[18:59] <Fritzel> yes yes I know linux 101
[18:59] <Fritzel> but when it just works, its so easy to forget ^^
[18:59] <hmuller> _Rambaldi_: I'm running a current daily-live with the *.15 kernel version.  I'll just suffer the minor inconvenience until they get it fixed.
[19:00] <cyclonut> I am worried that my blacklisting some inbuilt modules is causing the trouble
[19:00] <cyclonut> cant reboot yet though :-\
[19:00] <_Rambaldi_> can i am hoping when it is released and the updates are all in, this will be fixed myself hmuller
[19:00] <hmuller> cyclonut: thinking it my be something to do with wireless interfaces in the initrd?  that's what I'm guessing
[19:00] <hmuller> _Rambaldi_: =) I can relate, as I only have to dim to see or very bright.
[19:00] <cyclonut> hmuller: yeah, that would be my guess as well
[19:01] <JMS> unimatrix9, are you still here?
[19:01] <cyclonut> hmuller: yay for detective skills
[19:01] <JMS> the website was for WPC54g v2, i have v3. still no go
[19:02] <cyclonut> I am about to take the plunge into gentoo-land, though
[19:02] <JMS> i have .sys and .inf files
[19:02]  * cyclonut is a little scared
[19:02] <JMS> and have ndiswrapper installed
[19:02] <xtknight> yeah -16 kernel definitely has some problems
[19:02] <cyclonut> JMS: ndiswrapper -l
[19:02] <cyclonut> does that list your hardware
[19:02] <JMS> ran sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, but no go
[19:03] <_Rambaldi_> is there an onscreen keyboard i can type the number three
[19:03] <hmuller> cyclonut:  You'll either get frustrated, or learn a lot.  I personally learned a bunch.
[19:03] <_Rambaldi_> i cant i meant to say
[19:03] <JMS> lsbcmnds : driver installed
[19:03] <JMS> 	device (14E4:4318) present (alternate driver: ssb)
[19:03] <cyclonut> hmuller: yeah, I have a feeling its gonna be a little of both
[19:04] <cyclonut> JMS: try rmmod ndiswrapper, followed by modprobe ndiswrapper
[19:04] <xtknight> Bug 215833
[19:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215833 in ubuntu "system won't boot after kernel 2.6.24-16-generic update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215833
[19:04] <xtknight> needs more confirmation
[19:04] <_Rambaldi_> is there an onscreen keyboard???
[19:04] <hmuller> cyclonut:  Then, when you get done with that (before you come home to Ubuntu) check out Linux From Scratch.  That was a handy experience too.
[19:04] <JMS> ERROR: Removing 'ndiswrapper': Operation not permitted
[19:04] <slanning> I was unable to boot .16-386, for what it's worth
[19:05] <badday> hi, sorry if i underbrake your conversation, but what could be the reason if ubuntu 8.04 hardy heron does not load the kernel if you put the dvd in it shows the start screen but than it stopps?
[19:05] <xtknight> slanning, please reply to that bug
[19:05] <hmuller> slanning: Lots of us having problems booting with the new kernel
[19:05] <Jaymac> hmuller: really? bum, just about to reboot
[19:05] <cyclonut> hmuller: ooh, that sounds fun
[19:06] <JMS> cyclonut: rmmod did not work.  suggestion?
[19:06] <cyclonut> hmuller: I am going to dual boot, if possible
[19:06] <Jaymac> cyclonut: I learned more with LFS than Gentoo
[19:06] <cyclonut> JMS: did you do 'sudo rmmod ndiswrapper'
[19:06] <JMS> sorry, will try
[19:07] <JMS> cyclonut: ERROR: Module ndiswrappe does not exist in /proc/modules
[19:07] <Jaymac> has anyone successfully upgraded to the new kernel without issues?
[19:08] <cyclonut> JMS: sudo ndiswrapper -m
[19:08] <besonen_pidgin> where can i find an iso of 8.04 with kde 4?  all of the links that i've found that are supposed to provide this iso don't work.
[19:09] <JMS> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.24-15-generic/ubuntu/misc/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[19:09] <cyclonut> JMS: did you use sudo?
[19:09] <JMS> yes
[19:09] <hmuller> Jaymac:  Go ahead and boot and try it.  If it doesn't work like the rest of us, just reselect the old kernel
[19:09] <badday> besonen-pidgin do you need a torrent download?
[19:09] <Jaymac> besonen_pidgin: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/beta/
[19:10] <cyclonut> JMS: yyou've got something strange going on. reboot and get back to me
[19:10] <JMS> ok
[19:10] <hmuller> cyclonut:  That's what I recommend.  I keep extra partitions just for trying new things out (like Hardy)
[19:10] <Jaymac> hmuller: will do... I doubt it will work, I have a generic kernel too
[19:10] <kingrayray> hey i just updated and now ubuntu is running in low graphics mode, i have an nvidia card. what do i do to make it come back? :p
[19:10] <cyclonut> hmuller: yeah, im a bit nervous, this machine holds production stuff
[19:10]  * cyclonut slaps self
[19:11] <cyclonut> perfect time to back up :-P
[19:11] <Jaymac> ok going to try the upgrade
[19:11]  * hmuller laughs
[19:11] <_Rambaldi_> i am stuck in a pickle, i am installing xp on virtualbox but my 3 wont work, and my product key has a 3 in it
[19:11] <hmuller> cyclonut: Nothing like a solid disaster recovery plan!
[19:11] <icanhas> _Rambaldi_: there might be an alt+ command without a 3 in it to make a 3
[19:12] <Fritzel> there's also two 3's on the keyboard
[19:12] <_Rambaldi_> oh yeah, its a laptop
[19:12] <cyclonut> hmuller: indeed
[19:12] <icanhas> _Rambaldi_: go buy an external usb keypad
[19:13] <Fritzel> you probably still have a second 3 if there's a modifiier on your keyboard the activates them they're typically underneath the jkl ish keys
[19:13] <Jaymac> woohoo, no upgrade issues :D
[19:13] <_Rambaldi_> its working now, how do you get out of fullscreen in vbox
[19:14] <cyclonut> Jaymac: congrats.
[19:14] <ampex> damn, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/215833
[19:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215833 in ubuntu "system won't boot after kernel 2.6.24-16-generic update" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:14] <crimsun> ampex: that issue is known
[19:14] <Jaymac> Last year I made the mistake of upgrading my laptop to feisty beta
[19:14] <Jaymac> every kernel upgrade killed my wireless
[19:14] <crimsun> we're debugging it now, but in the meantime, we've reverted the faulty patch.
[19:15] <Jaymac> 8.04 has been a joy so far :)
[19:15] <crimsun> ampex: it's a patch against ALSA that's causing it; basically it's deadlocking because it downs without properly releasing the mutex.
[19:15] <kingrayray> hmm so nobody knows how to get my nvidia driver back? :(
[19:15] <Pelo> anyone esle just get burned by the .16 kernel ?
[19:16] <icanhas> Pelo: no
[19:16] <Jaymac> Pelo: nope :)
[19:16] <usser> Pelo, nope
[19:16] <Jaymac> but I only just upgraded
[19:16] <ampex> reboot :)
[19:16] <icanhas> Actually.. this is odd. i'm fully updated and i don't have a -16 option
[19:16] <usser> but im eager to download it supposed to fix my wireless problem
[19:16] <Pelo> usser, I stops right after the NTP thing for me
[19:16] <saminthemiddle> wooooohooo! I got duel heading to work. I had to change the virtual desktop size in X.org
[19:16] <Pelo> icanhas, did you select to keep your own grub ?
[19:16] <crimsun> here, I'll just topic it.
[19:17] <icanhas> usser: that's where the bugs are coming from, it doesn't play well with many an abstraction layer
[19:17] <icanhas> Pelo: nope
[19:17] <saminthemiddle> the only problem is that now Gnome thinks the second monitor is the primary screen and I con't seem to convince it otherwise...
[19:17] <rvalles>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/jockey/xorg_driver.py", line 77, in enabled
[19:17] <rvalles>     devices = self.xorg_conf.getSections('device')
[19:17] <icanhas> Pelo: s'ok, i'll just edit it for the new kernel, very odd tho
[19:17] <rvalles> AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'getSections'
[19:17] <rvalles> is anybody familiar with this jockey-gtk error?
[19:17] <rvalles> it doesn't even start, but throw that.
[19:17] <usser> i dunno i dont see new kernel
[19:18] <rvalles> (installed hardy a few hours ago, have yet to manage to see jockey at all)
[19:18] <usser> all the linux-image packages are kept back for me
[19:18]  * Pelo is getting very disapointed,   his, flash drives only mount read and now he can't boot the new kernel 
[19:18] <Flannel> usser: Make sure you do a dist-upgrade, not just upgrade
[19:18] <Pelo> usser, that might be the reason
[19:19] <usser> ah
[19:19] <usser> danke
[19:19] <jonathan_> cyclonut: this is JMS
[19:20] <usser> so -16 kernel is fine everybody?
[19:20] <cyclonut> jonathan_: hello.
[19:20] <jonathan_> ok. still no go
[19:20] <Flannel> dist-upgrade grabs things that have changed depends (linux-image depends on linux-image-[version] and the version changed, so its a new package name -> new depends)
[19:21] <jonathan_> i just ran "modprobe ndiswrapper" successfully
[19:21] <crimsun> usser: the kernel itself is fine.  It's linux-ubuntu-modules that is the problem.
[19:21] <cyclonut> jonathan_: and you get nothing?
[19:21] <usser> ok what is this package command-not-found and command-not-found-data ?
[19:21] <x1250> the ubuntu hardy iso in ubuntu.com is up to date?
[19:21] <cyclonut> x1250: probably not
[19:21] <jonathan_> it advances to next prompt, but no effect.  should i try to launch the wireless again?
[19:22] <jonathan_> presently, i am wired
[19:22] <x1250> is there any place were I can download nightly builds?
[19:22] <cyclonut> see if its detected - if it is, you will have the option o use 'wireless' in network manager
[19:23] <jonathan_> my wireless network is visible -- has been. it simply does not connect
[19:23] <xtknight> crimsun, it still freezes
[19:23] <cyclonut> jonathan_: ah, I havent had to deal with that yet, thankfully. My issue was a conflict with ssb and ndiswrapper
[19:23] <xtknight> crimsun, well not freeze but nvidia doesnt load
[19:23] <Flannel> x1250: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[19:24] <cyclonut> jonathan_: you'll have to search the forums for that solution. Perhaps you are using the incorrect network drivers though?
[19:24] <crimsun> xtknight: make sure you're using 16.22.
[19:24] <cyclonut> crimsun: thanks for topic change
[19:24] <x1250> great Flannel, thanks :)
[19:24] <jonathan_> in other words, you think that the drivers that came with the CD may not be compatible?
[19:24] <xtknight> crimsun, Version: 2.6.24-16.22
[19:24] <xtknight> crimsun, it fixes the hardware driver freeze problem but the restricted modules do not properly load into the kernel
[19:25] <jonathan_> btw, what does modprobe do?
[19:25] <xtknight> so xorg will be failing for a lot of people
[19:25] <crimsun> xtknight: I'm only concerned with the ALSA regression currently.
[19:25] <xtknight> crimsun, ok
[19:25] <Pelo> jonathan_, you shouldn'T be using the beta
[19:25] <cyclonut> jonathan_: aye, I have to agree with Pelo here
[19:26] <martalli> jonathan_: modprobe puts in little premade drivers into the kernel (for palm pilots or toher little bit
[19:26] <martalli> However, if you aren't sure what it is, you might be better off waiting for the wrinkles to get ironed out and use the finished product
[19:27] <jonathan_> yes, though i thought i would watch as Hardy grew with each update.  i did not figure that my wireless would be the last to get resolved
[19:27] <slanning> this is how it grows - with growing pains :)
[19:27] <jonathan_> for some reason, i thought that the successes of gutsy (xubuntu) would be carried on into hardy
[19:27] <jonathan_> :)
[19:28] <Pelo> jonathan_, I spend my free time doing support in the official channel and this beta stuff is over my head, and I should never have upgraded,  it is not for the faint of heart
[19:28] <jonathan_> yes. so, do you think i should simply wait and be patient.  perhaps this will be resolved when beta goes away?
[19:28] <Fritzel> I'm up on -16
[19:28] <Fritzel> I simply did a dist-upgrade
[19:29] <cyclonut> jonathan_: do more research
[19:29] <Pelo> jonathan_, the point of beta is to find problems and fix them,
[19:29] <cyclonut> jonathan_: read the ubuntu forums. tons of people have been having the same trouble as you
[19:29] <Pelo> Fritzel, did you actualy boot it ?
[19:29] <Fritzel> yes I'm in it now
[19:29] <jonathan_> ok
[19:29] <majost> I am a little confused about one of the notes in the binary-custom.d/README for the Hardy kernel....
[19:29] <Fritzel> Linux Mike 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 12:47:45 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:29] <jonathan_> is there a hardy-specific forum?
[19:29] <majost> "To add your custom kernel to the normal build, add it to the custom_flavours var for each architecture it will build on in the debian/rules.d/ARCH.mk file.
[19:30] <cyclonut> jonathan_: yep, its under development and programming.
[19:30] <jonathan_> ok. tnx
[19:30] <Pelo> Fritzel,  the .22 package or the .21 ?
[19:30] <majost> So my question is, where is the custom_flavours var for which it speaks
[19:30] <Fritzel> modules went in as 22, I didn't catch the actual kernel
[19:31] <Fritzel> and I never was clear on how to list installed packages
[19:31] <rvalles> https://bugs.launchpad.net/jockey/+bug/215855
[19:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215855 in jockey "jockey 0.3.3-0ubuntu7 won't start (crash on startup)" [Undecided,New]
[19:31] <Milos_SD> I got this error when try to start synaptic manager -> http://pastebin.com/m364854e9
[19:31] <rvalles> just reported this
[19:31] <rvalles> :-)
[19:31] <Pelo> Fritzel, jsut check in synaptic, do a search for header
[19:31] <Fritzel> one moment
[19:32] <Fritzel> gotta install it one sec
[19:32] <Pelo> Fritzel, nevermind
[19:32] <centyx> Fritzel: just do dpkg -l|grep linux-image or something
[19:33] <askand> Hi! Today I downloaded the daily live cd, when I booted I got a message about "Failed to initialize HAL!"..why is that?
[19:33] <_Rambaldi_> there is a new kernel, update any problems?
[19:34] <Fritzel> linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic              2.6.24-16.30
[19:34] <Fritzel> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-generic     2.6.24-16.22
[19:34] <Pelo> _Rambaldi_, I wsn'T able to boot it , but fritzel seems to have gotten the latest fix for it and it works
[19:34] <BluesKaj> Is accessing a linux box with hardy installed from windows easier than Gutsy . My network was working fine both ways til updated from feisty to gutsy . Ant idea what kind of LAN networking probs I can expect in Hardy ?
[19:35] <Fritzel> all I did was a dist-upgrade, that and I refreshed the repos like 45 times while the discussion was going on here
[19:35] <_Rambaldi_> i hope it fix the lcd brightness prolem
[19:36] <Pelo> what'S the full dist-upgrade command ?
[19:36] <centyx> Fritzel: is everything working OK?
[19:36] <Fritzel> I havn't tested sound yet but everything obvious is working fine
[19:36] <slanning> apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade      #normally
[19:36] <_Rambaldi_> it starts the update manager Pelo
[19:36] <jokdungmok> Hi, I just got linux-ubuntu-modules_2.6.24-16.22 but seems my nvidia display is not working and is using vesa
[19:37] <Pelo> _Rambaldi_, I mean the full command for the terminal,  I don'T mean what it does
[19:37] <xtknight> jokdungmok, please add comments to Bug 215778
[19:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215778 in linux-meta "2.6.24-16.30 kernel update - nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215778
[19:38] <jokdungmok> oh thanks
[19:38] <Fritzel> and sound works too, so yes everything that I usually use is fully operational
[19:38] <usser> 16 looks fine but then i have no restricted hardware
[19:38] <xtknight> usser, please add comments to Bug 215778
[19:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215778 in linux-meta "2.6.24-16.30 kernel update - nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215778
[19:39] <xtknight> usser, if you are using nvidia at least?  or is it a problem w/ all restricted modules?
[19:39] <usser> xtknight, i really dont have any problems with it
[19:39] <xtknight> usser, sorry
[19:39] <xtknight> i misread
[19:39] <xtknight> :(
[19:39] <majost> Has anyone had any issues using the binary-custom kernel target?
[19:40] <AboSamoor> i'm trying to get my wireless working on hardy without use, i have intel 3945ABG card, with iwlwifi 3945 , can i install ipw3945 ?
[19:40] <majost> It may be user error, but I get dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.24-16-alsatip not in control info
[19:40] <xtknight> majost, are you using the latest linux-ubuntu-modules
[19:41] <usser> AboSamoor, i'd say just way for relese iwl will be fixed
[19:43] <majost> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-15-server  2.6.24-15.20
[19:43] <linkinxp> hi!
[19:43] <linkinxp> where i found the Grub file that has the boot list?
[19:43] <xtknight> majost, compiling a kernel then?
[19:44] <xtknight> linkinxp, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[19:44] <linkinxp> thanks
[19:44] <majost> Thats the machine which I am using to build anyway
[19:44] <xtknight> majost, there was an alsa problem w/ a recent update, i'm thinking that's it.  but completely doing dist-upgrade should remedy it
[19:44] <majost> yeah
[19:44] <askand> ﻿ Hi! Today I downloaded the daily live cd, when I booted I got a message about "Failed to initialize HAL!"..Why is that?
[19:45] <majost> Well, I actually am replacing the alsa subsystem with the hg tip version
[19:45] <Fritzel> is dmesg cleared when you boot?
[19:45] <linkinxp> kernel -16 :P
[19:45] <AboSamoor> usser: i did not get it :(, can i get any update for iwlwifi i'm using  now 1.2.25
[19:45] <majost> I had to revert a couple changesets in alsa-kernel to get it to build against 2.6.24... but the problem I am having is not a compile time issue
[19:45] <xtknight> majost, oh what's the homepage for this update?
[19:46] <rvalles> xtknight: so your jockey is also crashing :)
[19:46] <_Rambaldi_> just updated the kernel, no problems fixed one thing but not my lcd brightness control
[19:46] <xtknight> majost, anyway you proably need to deal with debian/control or something w./ that error
[19:46] <xtknight> rvalles, yea
[19:46] <seanh> If I wanted to make a suggestion for ubuntu and outline my reasons, for example that banshee should be installed by default instead of rhythmbox, where would I go? Is a bug report inappropriate? Then is it the dev mailing list? Similarly if I wanted to query a decision and find out the reasons, e.g. why is tracker used instead of beagle?
[19:46] <usser> AboSamoor, get what?
[19:46] <rvalles> xtknight: with release so close, this errors are scary
[19:46] <xtknight> rvalles, i know.  two complete boot failures here
[19:46] <xtknight> first alsa then nvidia
[19:46] <majost> its an issue with the build scripts for the binary-custom target
[19:47] <cyclonut> Update fixed kernel issues
[19:47] <xtknight> fixed one of em
[19:47] <AboSamoor> usser: i can not understand your point
[19:47] <cyclonut> now using way less ram than the last kernel
[19:47] <cyclonut> (yay)
[19:47] <majost> sorry, I have reeally bad lag atm
[19:47] <majost> heh
[19:47] <crimsun> majost: what does debian/control* have?
[19:47] <crimsun> majost: and, what is EXTRAVERSION in the top-level Makefile?
[19:48] <_Rambaldi_> seanh, banshee does look good. i just checked
[19:48] <majost> EXTRAVERSION = .3
[19:48] <seanh> _Rambaldi_ the UI is much nicer than rhythmbox and I think it gets developed quicker too
[19:49] <crimsun> majost: and, which flags did you pass to make-kpkg?
[19:49] <majost> crimsun: which control file?
[19:49] <crimsun> (along with their respective arguments)
[19:49] <mawa> hi
[19:49] <mawa> i'm using the latest heron on a macbook
[19:49] <mawa> sound has been broken for months
[19:49] <mawa> is this a known issue?
[19:50] <majost> crimsun: I have been just using the binary-custom target
[19:50] <crimsun> mawa: yes.  You need a newer ALSA.
[19:51] <crimsun> and it's not linux's issue; it's linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24's.
[19:51] <mawa> crimsun: is there a howto for that in the wiki or somewhere?
[19:51] <majost> I haven't exported any settings or passed anything to make-kpkg.
[19:51] <crimsun> mawa: aside from "build ALSA hg", ...
[19:51] <seanh> _Rambaldi_ in terms of memory usage they seem about equal
[19:52] <majost> mawa: I can probably pass you my patches for that in a bit
[19:52] <AboSamoor> will iwlwifi will be fixed for intel cards within the realease ?
[19:52] <_Rambaldi_> it does look simply and i like that seanh
[19:52] <mawa> majost: it requires rebuilding the kernel?
[19:52] <majost> yep.
[19:53] <majost> well, sorta
[19:53] <mawa> that feels nostalgic ... i haven't compiled a kernel in years
[19:53] <majost> depends on what your needs are...
[19:53] <majost> you can probably just build alsa-driver from hg
[19:53] <mawa> majost: i think i can live without audio, i'll just keep listening to CDs
[19:53] <_Rambaldi_> i cant seem to play 2 sound sources at the same time, i have to close one app first. is there a realtek module
[19:54] <seanh> _Rambaldi_ although the 'Show cover art' option is a bit redundant. They should just remove that!
[19:54] <jepler> AboSamoor: 8.04 beta is using iwl3945 on my laptop by default -- seems to work well. (I never used ipw3945 so I don't know how they compare)
[19:54] <crimsun> majost: for starters, I presume you're /not/ patching linux.  I presume you're patching /linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/.
[19:55] <Raspberry> should I be running today's updates or will they blow my system to hell
[19:55] <seanh> How come the Xorg process takes up so much memory now on hardy? 40MB for me
[19:55] <crimsun> seanh: that's hardly an indicator of "so much memory."
[19:55] <slanning> Raspberry: run far, far away
[19:55] <crimsun> use exmap-gtk if you want a better indicator.
[19:55] <majost> crimsun: Actually, no.. I was patching linux. I hadn't realized the alsa-kernel souce had been moved into the modules package
[19:55] <crimsun> majost: not just alsa-kernel but alsa-driver, too.
[19:55] <Raspberry> slanning: I've heard a lot of people screaming about their machines being unbootable
[19:56] <majost> just alsa-kernel for the moment.
[19:56] <crimsun> Raspberry: well, do you use the non-Free Nvidia driver?
[19:56] <Raspberry> crimsun: no, I have one of the X crashing Intel video cards :p
[19:56] <crimsun> Raspberry: then, no, presuming you use us.archive, -16 should not wreak havoc.
[19:56] <AboSamoor> jepler: i'm using the same version 1.2.25 and it's not working https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/185470
[19:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185470 in linux "iwl3945 not functioning : microcode error" [Unknown,In progress]
[19:56] <slanning> Raspberry: I don't really know, my system is messed up since monday :)
[19:56] <_Rambaldi_> it keeps showing wrong art for the current song seanh it happens in rhythmbox as well
[19:57] <Raspberry> crimsun: I go straight to archive instead of us. because it has been behind by a few days on some packages in the past
[19:57] <Fritzel> oh! something someone said a while back just registered, my nvidia drivers did not work after rebooting on -16, I did have to recompile them (and I use the ones directly from nvidia)
[19:57] <Fritzel> so I wasn't a unique hey everythign works, case
[19:58] <seanh> crimsun it's the heaviest process running aside from the music plauer
[19:58] <jepler> AboSamoor: huh, it's working fine here (amd64 8.04 installed from alpha5 CD and upgraded through 48 hours ago; machine is Dell Latitude D830)
[19:58] <crimsun> Raspberry: ...us.archive happens to point to the same IPs.
[19:58] <jepler> AboSamoor: mine's a fresh install, not an upgrade from gutsy
[19:58] <majost> crimsun: I had to revert changesets 5841, 5871, and 5872... but it compiles.
[19:59] <AboSamoor> jepler: so i , and it's amd64 and fresh install from beta
[19:59] <AboSamoor> jepler: ThinkPad R61
[19:59] <Sergeant_Pony> good morning / afternoon / evening
[19:59] <majost> crimsun: when it tries to create the deb it just complains about the custom target not being in the control info
[19:59] <jepler> AboSamoor: the machine isn't presently available to me, so I can't tell you any more details of my configuration..
[20:00] <centyx> maybe i'll upgrade then.
[20:00] <SpudDogg> Is Hardy supposed to play an mp3 just by hovering the mouse over it?
[20:00] <Raspberry> crimsun:  well a few weeks ago when I was having problems and was in here troubleshooting it... someone said the problem was already fixed ... I tried running updates no new updates -- so I started downloading the updated packages from packages. and somebody said change to archive from us.archive -- and presto, I had a dozen updates and that fixed the issue
[20:00] <crimsun> majost: what did you add to debian/binary-custom.d/ ?
[20:01] <Raspberry> crimsun: then they specifically said us.archive tends to lag behind the master
[20:01] <crimsun> Raspberry: who is "they"?
[20:01] <Raspberry> crimsun: it was weeks ago -- I don't remember their name ... I don't think I have logging on either
[20:01] <Raspberry> crimsun: somebody in this channel
[20:02] <crimsun> ok, well, it doesn't matter currently.
[20:02] <Raspberry> well if I find somebody doing it again I'll let ya know :P
[20:02] <majost> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/981365
[20:03] <AboSamoor> none answered me about the state of iwl3945 , it's still broken with 2.6.24-15 :(, will it be fixed with the final release,and is there any release candidate ?
[20:03] <majost> crimsun: the main patch is ugly... heh.. I need to chunk that up.
[20:04] <Annirak> Anyone know when the radeonhd Version 1.2 driver will make it into the hardy branch?
[20:04] <crimsun> majost: top-level of dakim/ please.
[20:05] <crimsun> majost: meaning contents of files in top-level
[20:05] <majost> -rw-r--r-- 1 ryan ryan 89322 2008-04-10 17:40 config.i386
[20:05] <majost> drwxr-xr-x 7 ryan ryan   216 2008-04-10 19:01 _darcs
[20:05] <majost> drwxr-xr-x 2 ryan ryan   304 2008-04-10 19:01 patchset
[20:05] <majost> -rw-r--r-- 1 ryan ryan    23 2008-04-10 17:40 rules
[20:05] <majost> -rw-r--r-- 1 ryan ryan   205 2008-04-10 17:40 vars
[20:05] <slanning> arf, I'm just going to try waiting a few more days.... so hungry and tired
[20:05] <Annirak> !paste|majost
[20:05] <ubotu> majost: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[20:07] <seanh> _Rambaldi_ only thing is that when I put Rhythmbox into mini-mode and left it playing Internet radio, after a while the memory usage was down to 10MB. With banshee it stays around 50MB. But if I put rb back into full mode and go to my music library it hangs for a while until memory usage goes back up to 50-60MB, whereas if I do that with banshee it just stays at around 50MB. Do you find the same performance? Banshee is just a much nicer
[20:07] <seanh> UI all round.
[20:08] <majost> oh contents
[20:08] <majost> sorry
[20:08] <majost> heh
[20:08] <majost> one moment
[20:10] <_Rambaldi_> i just installed banshee when you spoke of it, have not fully tested as such. just installed on my main system seanh
[20:10] <majost> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/981379   -- config.i386
[20:10] <visik7> anyone with nvidia in dual head ? compiz doesn't work while in single head works perfectly
[20:10] <visik7> no problem at all on 7.10
[20:10] <majost> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/981382
[20:11] <DanaG> Hmm, something from engadget:  "tablet with an HD2300"
[20:11] <majost> hrmm...
[20:11] <_Rambaldi_> the import files is not very good seanh
[20:11] <wolf4914> my dual head is in low-graphics lol
[20:11] <DanaG> Hmm, anybody remember what the heck that product is?  They've changed their numbering so many times that I no longer have a clue whether that's integrated or discrete.
[20:12] <majost> "target=" maybe the cause of my problem. heh
[20:12] <quentusrex> the apt package upgrade program is asking me if I want to do a partial upgrade. Do I want to continue? It would remove compiz, compiz-gnome, volumeid, Then install the new kernel, and upgrade compiz-core, and some other stuff.
[20:12] <wolf4914> after upgrade
[20:12] <seanh> Well, I would hesitate to recommend something with higher memory usage as default (even though that seems to be the way these days), but I think banshee is rhythmbox's only competitor of the same type. (There are other nice media players but not of the everything-in-one itunes type).
[20:12] <seanh> Really? It worked fine for me
[20:12] <crimsun> quentusrex: just wait a few hours
[20:12] <_Rambaldi_> i just figured i have to click local folders, i dont really mind that much i have a lot of memory seanh
[20:13] <crimsun> quentusrex: the compiz bits were updated, so you need to wait until all the new parts have built and are available
[20:13] <crimsun> quentusrex: i.e., in a few hours, update and full-upgrade
[20:13] <quentusrex> if I do the partial upgrade can I just upgrade again in a few hours?
[20:14] <_Rambaldi_> i wonder how the podcast will be seanh rhythmbox did not play videos
[20:14] <dreq> so partial upgrade is ok?
[20:14] <quentusrex> and by full-upgrade you mean dist-upgrade?
[20:14] <dreq> its not pulling compiz
[20:14] <dreq> i'm assuming the packages are in-progress
[20:15] <majost> crimsun: Is there another file I need to edit to make my target valid?
[20:15] <dreq> whats new in the compiz update?
[20:17] <seanh> I'd be interested in a round up of what's changed in compiz between gutsy and hardy. It doesn't seem to have improved much (and major issues have not been fixed)
[20:17] <dreq> seanh: like hanging popups? :)
[20:17] <dreq> (in hardy)
[20:17]  * cyclonut happily goes without compiz
[20:18] <seanh> Apart from general bugginess and taking a long time to start up, the main showstoppers for me are that both Alt-Tab and Show Desktop are badly implemented from a usability point of view, they're almost unusable, I'm really surprised it gets used by default in such a state
[20:18] <quentusrex> crimsun, do you know if it will still work if I do the partial upgrade now, and in a few hours upgrade again for the missing parts? or should I wait so that I avoid some horrible 'glitch'
[20:19] <crimsun> quentusrex: I would be patient.
[20:19] <crimsun> majost: sec, I've not looked yet.
[20:19] <seanh> The metacity compositor was running really slow for me but it seems to be faster now ... I'm wondering if something got fixed
[20:19] <majost> crimsun: no problem. I really appreciate your help, so take your time. =)
[20:20] <m11> hello
[20:20] <jblack> Has anyone managed to get networking on xen on Hardy working?
[20:21] <majost> Though I must ask, will the linux-ubuntu-modules package will overwrite my changes to the kernel package?
[20:22] <brynjolf> Quick question, is it somewhat easy to disable PulseAudio? I want to be able to switch consoles and still have MPD output audio etc.
[20:22] <Seren___> the latest kernel -16 is being held back on my system. Is there broken depencies or something ?
[20:22] <crimsun> brynjolf: very easy.
[20:22] <jblack> brynjolf: Check system->preferences->session->startup
[20:22] <m11> apt-get dist-ugrade  <--- Seren___
[20:22] <dreq> great, the latest update just borked my nvidia drivers :)
[20:23] <usser> Seren___, dist-upgrade
[20:23] <m11> i am just upgrading :)
[20:23] <Seren___> k thx
[20:23] <brynjolf> Ok thank you jblack and crimsun, I will do the upgrade today then.
[20:23] <crimsun> or, just remove the pulseaudio-esound-compat package..
[20:23] <dreq> yeah now restricted drivers wont let me select the propriatary nvidia drivers
[20:23] <usser> Seren___, but u may want to consider to wait, it breaks restricted modules
[20:23] <dreq> AHAH
[20:23] <dreq> great
[20:24] <Seren___> usser : as far as I know I don't use any restricted module
[20:24]  * dreq reboots to the older kernel again
[20:24] <usser> Seren___, then u should be fine
[20:25] <wolf4914> Did anybody do partial upgrade today?
[20:26] <alphakamp> partial?
[20:26] <majost> crimsun:  Also for reference, here is the error I am receiving: http://pastebin.ca/981402
[20:26] <wolf4914> yeah - the one comes in holding some packages
[20:26] <_Rambaldi_> the album art is rubbish, but i like the recommeded artist seanh , is there a way to remove duplicate songs,
[20:26] <andre__> Hello everybody! ;) How may I use a keyfile on my usb pendrive to boot my encrypted ubuntu instead of entering my 30+ character passphrase on each bootup? :)
[20:26] <Sergeant_Pony> wolf4914 I did
[20:27] <wolf4914> and?
[20:27] <Sergeant_Pony> everything works just fine
[20:27] <wolf4914> I have the same problem as dreq but with 15 kernel - not 16
[20:28] <gew1> finnaly u guys fixed wlan0_rename back to eth1 ..../.. thank you :X
[20:28] <wolf4914> hmm - I will try to do it now see if it fixes the restricted drivers thing
[20:28] <YazzY> hi guys
[20:28] <YazzY> why being on the xen kernel i cannot install nvidia modules?
[20:28] <YazzY> i mean, they are installed but for a "normal" kernel and not the xen one
[20:29] <wolf4914> Sergeant_Pony when did you do partial by the way?
[20:29] <YazzY> the normal is 2.4.24.11
[20:29] <YazzY> xen is 2.4.24.15-xen
[20:29] <Seren___> trying to reboot with the latest kernel, wish me luck :)
[20:30] <Sergeant_Pony> wolf4914 at 0800 this morning
[20:31] <wolf4914> how many updates did it offer?
[20:31] <Sergeant_Pony> wolf4914 if I remember correctly 45 or something like that I think....
[20:32] <wolf4914> ok
[20:32] <wolf4914> but you do remember it was partial right?
[20:32] <Sergeant_Pony> everything went nice and smooth..
[20:32] <Sergeant_Pony> yes it was a partial
[20:32] <wolf4914> well _ will try too
[20:32] <wolf4914> see what happens
[20:33] <jblack> Yazzy: You're running xen on hardy? I'm guessing you don't have networking, right?
[20:33] <wolf4914> it does not work for everybody I know that
[20:33] <YazzY> jblack: i do
[20:33] <Sergeant_Pony> you only live once ;)
[20:33] <sphinx__> i restart after last update and everything working normal now :)
[20:33] <YazzY> jblack: wireless, iwi driver
[20:33] <jblack> Yazzy: Not on the dom0, but on the domUs ?
[20:33] <YazzY> iwl4965
[20:33] <YazzY> jblack: i did nto install any domUs yet
[20:34] <ether_c> I am sad.
[20:34] <jblack> Yazzy: Ok. That's why I asked. Take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-3.2/+bug/204010 before you go any further.
[20:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204010 in xen-3.2 "networking not working" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:34] <YazzY> jblack: besides i want to install windows and not linux domUs
[20:34] <ether_c> I had a perfectly fine ubuntu hardy install.. then I upgraded today
[20:34] <ether_c> and now.. all my window borders are gone
[20:34] <Araneidae> Just upgraded to Hardy Heron, screen seems ok, but my wine game screen is now a snowstorm :(
[20:34] <ether_c> my compiz is gone
[20:34] <YazzY> jblack: yeah, i dont want to mess with it before i am sure i can use dom0 as my desktop
[20:34] <DanaG> ﻿ShowDesktop IS truly buggy.  It'll get stuck.  And then windows will become lost off the edge of the desktop.
[20:34] <DanaG> Better idea: disable both showdesktop and fade-to-desktop.
[20:34] <ether_c> my keyboard shortcuts are gone
[20:35] <sourcemaker> can I convert a RPM file to apt?
[20:35] <DanaG> ﻿Argh, NetworkManager sucks at roaming.
[20:35] <Seren____> sourcemaker : you need "alien"
[20:35] <ether_c> there should be an apt-get undo.. this f&*&king sucks
[20:35] <Seren____> it should work but it is not recommended
[20:35] <DanaG> I roamed from one AP to a different one with the same SSID; it thought I was still connected, and thus left pidgin in a lights-are-on-but-nobody's-home state.
[20:35] <sourcemaker> Seren____: ok
[20:35] <YazzY> jblack: i actually updated to hardy becouse i had issues with nvidia driver before as well
[20:35] <tacone> compiz removed :°D
[20:36] <seanh> _Rambaldi_: dunno
[20:36] <sourcemaker> Seren____: can I extract the data and install self made?
[20:36] <Seren____> you are going to convert a rpm to a deb
[20:36] <ether_c> I can't even use this window manager any more
[20:36] <ether_c> there's no alt-tab
[20:36] <ether_c> no window handles, period
[20:36] <Seren____> which is the package format used on ubuntu/debian
[20:36] <tacone> ether_c: no compiz ?
[20:36] <ether_c> it was removed
[20:36] <ether_c> I just upgraded..
[20:36] <Seren____> and then dpkg -i *.deb
[20:36] <ether_c> that was a mistake
[20:36] <tacone> me too, I had to disable effects
[20:36] <jblack> yazzy: Ok. Well, maybe you'll have more luck than I, but as far as I can tell, bridging the interfaces in Xen on hardy doesn't work as of yet.
[20:36] <tacone> ether_c: metacity still works :)
[20:37] <ether_c> I can't reach the panel to turn metacity on
[20:37] <Annirak> Anyone know when the radeonhd Version 1.2 driver will make it into hardy?
[20:37] <Seren____> sourcemaker: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/23/installing-using-an-rpm-file/
[20:37] <ether_c> because I can't move windows around
[20:37] <jblack> But if you don't need networking in your windows domu, then.. no harm no foul.
[20:37] <tacone> ether_c: reach a terminal and type metacity --replace &&
[20:37] <sourcemaker> Seren____: thanks
[20:37] <ether_c> tacone: thanks!
[20:37] <tacone> :-)
[20:38] <tacone> ether_c: now, take the chance to disable effects via the menu :)
[20:38] <seanh> _Rambaldi_: banshee's album art is better than rhythmbox at least because: 1. It shows up in mini-mode. 2. It shows up in tooltips. 3. In full view the album art is located next to the song/artist and therefore visually associated with the song, which is correct, instead of being randomly located at the opposite side of the screen stealing valuable space from other elements like in rhythmbox (although if you check Show Cover Art in bansh
[20:38] <seanh> ee you get it in both places which is stupid.
[20:38] <seanh> P.s. Muine makes better use of cover art than either of these: it has it in the album list so you can more easily find an album
[20:39] <crimsun> seanh: as do a bevy of other apps, like the devel banshee and bmpx.
[20:39] <seanh> crimsun really? cook
[20:40] <seanh> cool
[20:40] <crimsun> granted, for people who are visually impaired, it may not be as important.
[20:40] <_Rambaldi_> way way better than rhythmbox i will have to agree the mini mode is cute, loss for a better word seanh
[20:40] <YazzY> jblack: i can just compile my custom kernel
[20:40] <jblack> Okedoke
[20:40] <YazzY> jblack: what kernel version do you use?
[20:41] <seanh> crimsun:  where can I find out about the devel banshee?
[20:41] <crimsun> on banshee-project.org
[20:41] <LastLemming> what mean +1 ?
[20:41] <jblack> On a working Xen system, 2.6.22-14
[20:42] <jblack> On the one with the broken networking, it's 2.6.24-16. But that'll probably be gone tonight
[20:42] <Ktron> I'm looking for how to upgrade from Gutsy-->Hardy from the command line (I don't have a GUI installed)... anyone know?
[20:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> muine, huh?
[20:43] <cvw> Ktron: update your sources.list and then apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:43] <tacone> Ktron: ..be sure to comment out third party repositories.
[20:43] <Ktron> tacone, got it
[20:43] <Ktron> cvw, thanks
[20:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> crimsun: i hate to ask, but any idea on the 'no network after resume' issue?
[20:45] <Ktron> are canonical's repostories okay to leave on?
[20:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm actually thinking about doing a fresh hardy install, this beast has been through feisty through hardy via upgrades...  might have more luck that way
[20:46] <sourcemaker> why can't I only extract the rpm file without converting tp deb?
[20:46] <Seren____> sourcemaker : there is probably a way to do it
[20:47] <tacone> do everyone here have gstreamer broken as I have ?
[20:47] <Seren____> but once you have a .deb it is easier ton install and remove the installation
[20:47] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: how did you try?
[20:47] <Seren____> you can apt-get install my.deb and then apt-get remove my.deb
[20:47] <majost> Is there any documentation on control.d and flavour-control.stub?
[20:48] <majost> and don't say the code. =p
[20:48] <sourcemaker> Lynoure: I didn't any try... because I do not know how to do that...
[20:48] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: rpm2cpio and cpio should do it for you   (covered in more detail in the first google hit on  extract rpm)
[20:49] <YazzY> jblack: right, i am on 14 too
[20:50] <YazzY> jblack: do you use dom0 with X ?
[20:54] <turdega> Is there a "partial upgrade" going right now or am I out of sync or some thing?
[20:55] <_Rambaldi_> i have been looking for a good video editor
[20:56] <saminthemiddle> please help: I can't get DMA activated on my cd/dvd drive. When i run the command "sudo hdparm -d /dev/scd0" I get "HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
[20:59] <majost> is there a git or bazaar repo for linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24?
[21:01] <usser> !cinelerra
[21:01] <ubotu> Cinelerra is a video editor and compositor that cannot be included in Ubuntu for legal reasons. Install instructions can be found on http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
[21:02] <Ayabara> I can't open the Hardware Drivers manager. It just crashes with the message "AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'getSections'"
[21:02] <majost> Nevermind... hardy-ume-lum.git. =)
[21:07] <Ayabara> how do I install the nvidia drivers if the restricted manager keeps crashing?
[21:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> you know you can install them vis synaptic, right?
[21:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> via*
[21:08] <ether_c> so.. compiz got automatically uninstalled when I dist-upgraded. Will it be automatically re-installed later or will I have to do it manually?
[21:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> likely nvidia-glx-new
[21:09] <Ayabara> Daisuke_Laptop: ah. I was just wondering which one to choose
[21:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> alrighty then, what card do you have?
[21:10] <jblack> yazzy: No. I don't run desktops on servers.
[21:10] <majost> crimsun : Would you happen you have any words of wisdom for the daring whom attempt to backport the current hg tip into hardy-ume?
[21:11] <Ayabara> Daisuke_Laptop: got a command I can use to check?
[21:11] <majost> hg tip alsa-* that is
[21:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> Ayabara: lspci | grep VGA
[21:12] <Ayabara> Daisuke_Laptop: nVidia GeForce 8600M GT
[21:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> you're going to want nvidia-glx-new
[21:12] <dreq> allright guys, I can't get into 1280x1024 video after the latest updates
[21:13] <Ayabara> Daisuke_Laptop: done. do I need to mod xorg.conf to use it?
[21:13] <dreq> even with the nv drivers
[21:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> Ayabara: should just have to restart x
[21:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> actually, the nvidia drivers have a habit of telling me to restart the pc altogether
[21:14] <Ayabara> Daisuke_Laptop: just after a "apt-get install nvidia-glx-new"?
[21:14] <tacone> dreq: you could try the official binaries from nvidia site ?
[21:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> you could run a dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[21:16] <dreq> trying that now
[21:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> actually, i don't know how well that's going to work with the new xorg.conf
[21:16] <tomkirby> i'm having problems getting a wired network adapter working after hibernate... can anyone help?
[21:17] <tacone> Daisuke_Laptop: it worked for me. but I couldn't use composite anyway.
[21:17] <tacone> Daisuke_Laptop: it just restored high resolution.
[21:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> tacone: just getting the nvidia driver enabled for ayabara
[21:17] <tomkirby> i don't know whether to report it as a bug, since some similar bugs have been filed, but not sure if they're the same thing
[21:18] <tacone> Daisuke_Laptop: the only thing that worked for me, was the official installer
[21:18] <tacone> seemed like the non-free binaries in hardy repository were too old for the kernel.
[21:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> Ayabara: result?
[21:18] <Ayabara> !nvidia
[21:18] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[21:18] <Ayabara> Daisuke_Laptop: just restarted X, and no new driver
[21:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> k...
[21:20] <Ayabara> Daisuke_Laptop: should I be able to see in xorg.conf whether it is using the new driver, or is that not so easy anymore? all I see is "configured video device"
[21:20] <tacone> Ayabara: that's the effect of phigh
[21:20] <ulisse> it's me, or there have been some messup with pulseaudio, with the last updates?
[21:20] <tomkirby> Ayabara: perhaps you can help or tell me who to ask, if you're not too busy? sorry to intrude...
[21:21] <Ayabara> tomkirby: help you with what?
[21:22] <tomkirby> Ayabara: thanks - my (wired) network connection goes down after waking up from hibernation
[21:22] <tomkirby> forcing me to do a "sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0" to get it working again
[21:22] <Ayabara> tacone: should I run the dpkg line Daisuke_Laptop gave me (which I lost when restarting X)?
[21:23] <Lynoure> tomkirby: oh, then a workaround is easy, at least...
[21:23] <tacone> Ayabara: I thought you already did
[21:23] <tomkirby> well, it's ok, but annoying
[21:23] <Ayabara> tacone: I wasn't sure that line was for me, so I just went ahead and restarted X
[21:23] <Lynoure> tomkirby: you can add a resume script doing just that, and it probably helps
[21:23] <_Rambaldi_> does ifdown disable the interface?
[21:23] <Ayabara> now I see that was not clever :-)
[21:23] <tacone> Ayabara: try but don't count on it too much :)
[21:24] <tacone> Ayabara: after you do and restart x, come back here.
[21:24] <Ayabara> tacone, could you give me that line again?
[21:24] <tacone> sure
[21:24] <tacone> ﻿dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[21:24] <Ayabara> thanks
[21:24] <tacone> see you later
[21:25] <adinc> after upgrading hardy with apt compiz dissapeard, did something change
[21:25] <Lynoure> tomkirby: if you want to try it, and don't know how, let me know soon (going soon, I think)
[21:25] <tacone> adinc: yes.
[21:25] <adinc> tacone: what do i have to consider?
[21:25] <tomkirby> Lynoure: yes, where would i find my resume script?
[21:25] <tacone> adinc: guess it's been worked on. switch back to metacity in the meantime
[21:26] <tacone> adinc: you have to wait, I guess.
[21:26] <Ayabara> tacone: a diff between xorg.conf backup and the new one shows that it didn't do anything to video-stuff. it just changed keyboard layout :-)
[21:26] <adinc> metacity doesnt start otomaticaly what would i have to do in order to use it?
[21:26] <tacone> Ayabara: what you want to do ? debug hardy or just have nvidia working ?
[21:26] <Lynoure> tomkirby: /etc/acpi/resume.d/ hold the resume scripts, run as root, so you can add the last shellscript there to do that
[21:27] <tacone> Ayabara: also, what's your problem ? resolution o hardware acceleration ?
[21:27] <tacone> adinc: enable it in the Appearance menu
[21:27] <tacone> adinc: (just disable effects)
[21:27] <mattik> hello, when I'm using google earth or some 3d game window is blinking. I use fglrx
[21:28] <brynjolf> mattik, you running compiz?
[21:28] <mattik> yes
[21:28] <adinc> tacone: i disabled effects but after relogin the window boards do not appear
[21:28] <brynjolf> try disabling that and see if it changes anything
[21:29] <mattik> ok
[21:29] <Ayabara> tacone: I just want nVidia working. I can't see in the new xorg.conf if the nv driver is being used?
[21:29] <brynjolf> like metacity --replace &
[21:29] <tomkirby> Lynoure: thanks... what number should i make it?
[21:29] <Ayabara> tacone: hardware acceleration for compiz-fusion
[21:29] <adinc> brynjolf: but this helps only for the actual session, doesnt it? how can i have it always on
[21:29] <tomkirby> Lynoure: i see there's already one labelled "62-ifup.sh"
[21:29] <Ayabara> tacone: restarting X again. I'll be right back
[21:29] <Lynoure> tomkirby: in my case it would be 99-eth0updown.sh I guess
[21:30] <brynjolf> in gutsy you go to appearance and change it to no effects
[21:30] <Lynoure> tomkirby: yes, a workaround, not a fix. Might make sense to report a bug about it, specifying you network card in the bug
[21:30] <tacone> adinc: to me, seems like you didn't disabled effects, then :)
[21:31] <Lynoure> s/updown/downup/
[21:31] <_Rambaldi_> does anyone use blender?
[21:31] <tomkirby> Lynoure: i'll file a bug as soon as i get the chance. thanks for your help in the meantime!
[21:31] <mattik> brynjolf: yes it runs right when I disable desktop effects
[21:31] <tacone> Ayabara: you can try nvidia official binary for linux
[21:31] <Ayabara> tacone: ok
[21:31] <tacone> Ayabara: by the way compiz fusion was disabled via apt updates one hour ago, it's been worked on I guess
[21:31] <Lynoure> _Rambaldi_: many people, I only rarely. Specific question?
[21:32] <adinc> tacone: isnt it in appearance->visual effects->none
[21:32] <tacone> Ayabara: so you won't have it anyway, for now (but I guess you'll have it soon anyway)
[21:32] <tacone> adinc: yes
[21:32] <Ayabara> tacone: ok. thanks for helping
[21:32] <Lynoure> tomkirby: I hope it helps. Could be also something wonky in networkmanager
[21:32] <tacone> adinc: try metacity --replace &&
[21:33] <tacone> adinc: at least to see if something changes.
[21:33] <Ayabara> is the restricted driver manager broken for you guys as well?
[21:33] <adinc> tacone: well yes, then i do get the boards again
[21:33] <adinc> s/boards/borders
[21:37] <tech404> in a bit im going to go help a friend install Ubuntu for the first time.... They use a wusb54g V1 wifi device. Does anyone know if the installation proses will still include blacklisting a module and using ndiswrapper? Also should this work with 64bit?
[21:37] <tech404> s/proses/process
[21:37] <tacone> Ayabara: for me it is.
[21:39] <T1m0thy> Is anyone here running Adobe Photoshop CS2 with Wine?
[21:40] <amortvigil> what vnc server will i use?
[21:40] <amortvigil> can*
[21:41] <tacone> T1m0thy: I was, sometime ago
[21:41] <T1m0thy> Well.. My mouse is very jittery (well, not now, oddly, but it usually is) when I open it and I was wondering if anyone knew of a fix. #winehq ignores me.
[21:43] <tacone> T1m0thy: sorry, I don't have that problem :)
[21:43] <tech404> amortvigil: you have several options
[21:43] <T1m0thy> tacone, thanks anyways. :)
[21:44] <amortvigil> tech404: i saw it but i needed myultiverse
[21:45] <dreq> ok I have nvidia acceleration again, BUT compiz no longer has window borders
[21:45] <dreq> obviously i can disable desktop effects, but anyone know how to fix the border issue?
[21:46] <ether_c> dreq: did you just dist-upgrade?
[21:46] <dreq> yes, unfortunately
[21:46] <tacone> dreq: it was disabled by dist-upgrade.
[21:46] <ether_c> compiz is gone : (
[21:46] <tacone> explicitely disabled :)
[21:46] <dreq> did compiz switch to compiz-fusion?
[21:46] <ether_c> as in .. packages removed
[21:46] <dreq> or what do I need to do
[21:46] <tacone> as in .. beer.
[21:46] <MrBill> There are a few minor problems with my system that seem to be fixed in the Hardy beta compared to Gutsy, if i were to install Hardy and run with it for the next two weeks, would the "upgrade" process be reasonably easy once Hardy is officially released?
[21:47] <tacone> MrBill: there should be no big update anymore, I guess.
[21:47] <ether_c> dreq: as far as I know, you can't get compiz back yet.
[21:47] <tech404> amortvigil: so your asking what vnc servers are available in main and universe ?
[21:47] <dreq> so no desktop effects then ether?
[21:47] <amortvigil> tech404: no my prob is solved thanx
[21:48] <MrBill> Maybe that's a silly question.... I'm pretty new to all this, I've only just recently Gutsy for the first time in the past week or so, I'm really not familiar at all with the upgrade process and how easy it might actually be
[21:48] <ether_c> dreq: I don't think so.. hopefully they'll fix it soon
[21:49] <ether_c> I've been trying for the last half hour or so to reinstall compiz
[21:49] <ether_c> with no luck
[21:50] <Lynoure> MrBill: if you are that new to linux in general and the bugs are not showstoppers for you, wait the couple of weeks
[21:51] <user5> hello
[21:51] <user5> karnel 16 don't work
[21:51] <MrBill> Would the upgrade process from Gutsy -> Hardy be the same as it would be for Hardy Beta -> Hardy Official?
[21:51] <user5> stopping in scech hardware
[21:51] <user5> yes hady
[21:52] <user5> form karnel 15 hady to 16 hady
[21:52] <Lynoure> MrBill: no, from beta you go to official release just be doing the normal upgrades, no big hurdle, but easily 100MB daily
[21:52] <MadProcessor> user5: What are you trying to say?
[21:53] <MrBill> So someone who is running the Beta would automatically end up running the official release simply by installing the automated updates? THat's slick.
[21:53] <Jaffarkelshac>  is there a pastebin for images?
[21:53] <user5> processing hardware failed
[21:53] <Lynoure> MrBill: So you are not just a week or so old to Linux?
[21:53] <user5> image 16 hardy
[21:54] <user5> I'm in karnel 15 now
[21:54] <Lynoure> MrBill: ...because it's way less slick when things break badly, which they still can.
[21:54] <user5> rebbot in karnel 15 go ok
[21:54] <MrBill> I'm a week or so new to using LInux for my desktop OS. I've been running a pair of KnoppMyth machines for about 2 years now, and I have a Slackware12 fileserver with 1tb of HDs in it that servers out my media to the rest of my network
[21:55] <MrBill> so up to this point, the vast majority of my linux use has been via putty sessions.... i've very little GUI experience
[21:55] <Lynoure> MrBill: sounds like just the skills one needs when things break. So go for it, it can be even fun
[21:56] <user5> bye
[21:56] <Jaffarkelshac>  is there a pastebin for images?
[21:56] <MadProcessor> user5:  Perhaps you should try a channel where people speak your language? That didn't make much sense ..
[21:56] <MrBill> I'd guess by this time the test version of Hardy is getting "pretty stable" relatively speaking
[21:56] <MadProcessor> Jaffarkelshac:  Imageshack?
[21:57] <MadProcessor> MrBill:  That's certainly relative
[21:57] <MrBill> =)
[21:57] <Luckrider> Jaffarkelshac use photobucket
[21:57] <Luckrider> no
[21:57] <Luckrider> sorry
[21:57] <Luckrider> imageshack
[21:57] <user5> for beta don't have my langage sorry
[21:57] <Jaffarkelshac> i thought there was a designated service
[21:57] <Luckrider> no
[21:57] <Luckrider> !images
[21:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about images - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:57] <Luckrider> nope
[21:57] <Luckrider> !dinner
[21:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dinner - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:59] <user5> thank you peoples
[21:59] <user5> bye bye
[22:00] <echinos> anyone else having problems with gnome-settings-daemon failing?
[22:00] <bicyclist> Is compiz in the process of being updated ? The latest update wants to remove most of compiz
[22:00] <Ayabara> tacone: tried installing the binary driver, and got stuck in low resolution mode. I'll just stick with the default driver and wait a few days..
[22:04] <mattik> so i cannot select internet time by gnome desktop
[22:04] <Ayabara> hm. but I need to get the nVidia driver working to be able to use mplayer with vo=xv.. if anyone know how to make the nvidia driver work in hardy, give me a shout..
[22:05] <tacone> Ayabara: strange it solved everything for me
[22:05] <MadProcessor> Ayabara:  I installed it using Synaptic, didn't get any errors, what seems to be the problem on your end?
[22:06] <mattik> it always ask do you want to install ntp and it's installed
[22:07] <Ayabara> MadProcessor: I installed nvidia-glx-new and did a dpgk-line I got from tacone. Then I restarted and it didn't do the trick.
[22:07] <tacone> oh ? compiz upgrade
[22:07] <tacone> I have compiz-plugin in my update now
[22:08] <tacone> maybe in some hour we will have compiz back again :)
[22:08] <bicyclist> Well i will wait til compiz is no longer being removed nearly completely.
[22:08] <bicyclist> Seems compiz receives another update.
[22:08] <tacone> bicyclist: yes, I'd wait :)
[22:08] <MadProcessor> Ayabara:  Hmm, okay, I didn't have to do any command line stuff, it all installed correctly from Synaptic
[22:09] <MadProcessor> Have you tried editing the config file manually if it's just the resolution ?
[22:09] <MadProcessor> Is the nvidia image showing when GDE starts up?
[22:09]  * ether_c eagerly awaits the Return of Compiz
[22:12] <m1r> i have problems with dhcp server setup, it is constantly going out on wlan0 , even i set eth0 to /etc/default/dhcp3-server
[22:12] <Ayabara> MadProcessor: it's hw acceleration and support for video out device xv in mplayer I'm hunting
[22:12] <m1r> anyone can help with this ?
[22:12] <Ayabara> MadProcessor: GDE?
[22:13] <MadProcessor> Ayabara:  When the desktop is starting, it may show the nvidia logo (unless the config section tells it not to)
[22:13] <Ayabara> MadProcessor: ah. I'll check the next time I boot. you just installed nvidia-glx-new from synaptic?
[22:14] <MadProcessor> yes
[22:14] <MadProcessor> what does xorg.config say in the 'Section "devide"' ?
[22:14] <MadProcessor> s/devide/device
[22:15] <Ayabara>  "Configured Video Device"
[22:15] <MadProcessor> And below that ?
[22:15] <esox> there is really a problem with the installer of the CD of hardy-studio beta
[22:15] <MadProcessor> Driver "nv" or Driver "Nvidia"?
[22:16] <Ayabara> MadProcessor: below that , nothing
[22:17] <tacone> Ayabara: didn't you downloaded the official '
[22:17] <MadProcessor> It just says "EndSection"?
[22:17] <tacone> ?
[22:17] <Ayabara> MadProcessor: yep
[22:17] <MadProcessor> It certainly should say Driver "nvidia" in between there
[22:17] <crimsun> majost: I need a bit more context (& detail)
[22:17] <tacone> Ayabara: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us ?
[22:18] <Ayabara> tacone: I tried that one, but after killing gdm, installing and rebooting, I was stuck in low graphics mode
[22:18] <Ayabara> so I uninstalled it
[22:18] <tacone> Ayabara: it should have changed you xorg.conf
[22:18] <Ayabara> tacone: it did, but apparantly not the way it was supposed to
[22:18] <tacone> but if you disinstalled it most likely it restored backup
[22:19] <tacone> Ayabara: beside resolution, you should have checked if the acceleration was working.
[22:19] <Ayabara> tacone: yes, that's the one I reverted to
[22:21] <MadProcessor> Ayabara:  I'm losing track here I think .. You installed the nvidia-glx, then uninstalled it again when the resolution got screwed?
[22:21] <sn9> why is "Normal Disk Partition" grayed out when adding a storage device in virt-manager with kvm?
[22:21] <Ayabara> MadProcessor: I'll sum it up :)
[22:22] <MadProcessor> Hehe, okay :)
[22:22] <tacone> sn9: could it depend on the virt engine you choose ?
[22:22] <sn9> "Simple File" does not allow /dev/cdrom
[22:23] <sn9> tacone: i know kvm supports it under the hood
[22:23] <tacone> sn9: yes
[22:23] <tacone> sn9: cdrom ?
[22:23] <Ayabara> MadProcessor: 1: installed nvidia-glx-new and restarted. didn't seem to work. 2: uninstalled nvidia-glx-new. 3: dl'ed from nvidia's site, killed gdm, installed the driver, rebooted -> stuck in low graphics mode 4: uninstalled that driver, restored the original xorg.conf file, and here I am :o)
[22:23] <DanaG> What is virt-manager?
[22:23] <ChaosParser> So did the latest update kill anyone else's compiz?
[22:23] <DanaG> I use virtualbox for my XP VM.
[22:24] <tacone> DanaG: virt-manager is the new virtualization manager for hardy
[22:24] <DanaG> But for games, I have to boot Vista.  Wine doesn't do surround, and it gets keys stuck rather irritatingly.
[22:24] <sn9> DanaG: you don't need vbox in hardy if your machine supports kvm
[22:24] <tacone> DanaG: no good way to run games, yet.
[22:24] <tacone> sn9: I still prefer vbox.
[22:25] <sn9> i like vbox, but it's relatively slow, even compared to kqemu
[22:25] <philidox> anyone know whats up with ubuntu mobile?
[22:25] <tacone> sn9: I'll wait for the potential of virt-manager be employed
[22:25] <MadProcessor> Ayabara:  Okay. How did you install nvidia-glx
[22:25] <MadProcessor> ?
[22:25] <tacone> sn9: vbox felt faster for me.
[22:25] <tacone> but did test virt-am very little
[22:25] <sn9> and the ose is way too crippled
[22:26] <MadProcessor> now that I think about it, I used the "System/Administration/Hardware Drivers" applications to install it
[22:26] <MadProcessor> not Synaptics
[22:26] <Ayabara> MadProcessor: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[22:27] <sn9> tacone: have you seen this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KvmVirtManagerEtc
[22:27] <Ayabara> MadProcessor: I think that's the way to go, but the Hardware Drivers app is not working for me
[22:27] <MadProcessor> Okay, perhaps you should try the option I mentioned? That was the one that worked for me
[22:27] <MadProcessor> Well whaddayaknow, mine won't start either now .. Did the update today kill it or something ?
[22:28] <Ayabara> MadProcessor: I'll just give it a day or two and see if it is fixed. It has worked well for me before
[22:28] <Ayabara> MadProcessor: tacone, thanks for bearing with me :-)
[22:28] <ChaosParser> Did the recent updates bork anyone else's compiz?
[22:28] <MadProcessor> Ayabara:  Okay. You could perhaps use apt again and see that the .config file has been set up correctly
[22:29] <hischild> ChaosParser, define the timeframe for the updates
[22:29] <ChaosParser> hischild: 10 minutes ago.
[22:29] <hischild> ChaosParser, between what times (like the update that broke it and the one before
[22:30] <ChaosParser> hischild: The most recent update to the compiz-plugins.
[22:30] <hischild> ChaosParser, my updates date back to about 3 hours ago and they were just fine.
[22:30] <ether_c> ChaosParser: compiz is gone for me
[22:30] <ether_c> not installed any more
[22:30] <ether_c> but it's coming back.. slowly
[22:30] <ether_c> or so it seems
[22:31] <ChaosParser> hischild: If you check, does it say you're still up to date?
[22:31] <ChaosParser> ether_c: Odd.
[22:31] <sn9> ChaosParser: did you use update-manager, or something else?
[22:31] <ChaosParser> sn9: Update-manager.
[22:31] <ether_c> I dist-upgraded and all the compiz packages got removed
[22:31] <sn9> update manager says it can only do a partial upgrade, and says it will remove compiz-gnome, so i cancelled it
[22:32] <ChaosParser> sn9: Okay.  I'm gonna go mark them all for reinstallation and see what happens.
[22:32] <DanaG> Hmm, I should try kvm.
[22:32] <DanaG> How is mouse support?
[22:33] <sn9> DanaG: virt-manager uses vnc for abstraction of that
[22:33] <DanaG> And can I use a vmdk file for the virtual disk?
[22:33] <Jaffarkelshac> anyone having virtualbox problem with the new kernel
[22:33] <DanaG> (I did it that way instead of vdi.)
[22:33] <hischild> compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-main have been updated apparently
[22:33] <sn9> DanaG: however, if you run kvm from the command line, you can specify a seamless non-grabbing mouse
[22:34] <sn9> vmdk files may be converted to virt-manager format with a utility
[22:35] <DanaG> How does it deal with sound?  I use pulseaudio on the host.
[22:35] <aguitel> how i make upgrade with cd ubuntu-8.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso     ?
[22:35] <DanaG> And can it do USB (even 1.1 is good enough)?
[22:35] <DanaG> VBox can do 2.0, but it's broken with Windows guests.
[22:35] <iMatter> does anyone know if its possible to connect a Ethernet cord to a laptop and then to a router
[22:35] <iMatter> and try and get the internet from the laptop to the router
[22:35] <sn9> kvm can do usb to an extent, but i don't know how virt-manager handles that
[22:35] <iMatter> so it can double AP?
[22:36] <sn9> it does not appear to allow the addition of random usb devices
[22:36] <iMatter> but the second off of my laptops's internet connection?
[22:36] <esox> no way to update... how did you do ?
[22:37] <sn9> ("it" == virt-manager)
[22:37] <aguitel> how i make upgrade with cd ubuntu-8.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso     ?
[22:37] <sn9> as for sound, kvm emulates a c-media pci sound card. again, no idea how virt-manager handles it
[22:37] <DanaG> Okay, how do I use virt-manager with kvm?
[22:37] <Turski> aguitel: why update with cd?
[22:38] <sn9> DanaG: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KvmVirtManagerEtc
[22:38] <iMatter> Hello?
[22:38] <aguitel> Turski: many pcs and internet slow
[22:38] <ChaosParser> Yeah, compiz-gnome got broken.
[22:38] <esox> aguitel: I'm trying to do the same thing but it looks for some packages on the net and retuerns error when trying to download those files
[22:38] <sn9> iMatter: what's a "double ap" ?
[22:39] <Turski> i feel like it's not so very good idea to do upgrade with beta cd
[22:39] <esox> Turski: I tried from the net, but always errors
[22:39] <pikeshouse88> if youre doing an upgrade with the beta cd, make sure its the daily live cd from whatever day it is
[22:39] <aguitel> Turski: and when in the final version?
[22:40] <Turski> huh?
[22:40] <Araneidae> I'm not getting the the compiz extra effects options on the Visual Effects dialog, even though compizconfig-settings-manager is installed -- worked before I upgraded...
[22:40] <pikeshouse88> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:40] <aguitel> make the upgrade with ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso     (final)
[22:40] <esox> Turski: yes, when I start an update from the net with update manager, it takes 20min to download all files and then ity says it wasnt able to download anything and it stops
[22:40] <DanaG> Oh yeah, can virt-manager use an existing tap interface?
[22:40] <ChaosParser> Araneidae: compiz-gnome got broken.  One of the dependancy upgrades hasn't hit upstream yet.
[22:41] <DanaG> Better yet would be vde-switch.
[22:41] <Araneidae> ChaosParser, thanks for that.  I'll wait then.
[22:41] <Araneidae> For some reason my Composite extension was disabled in xorg.conf after the upgrade, and I had to enable it manually.
[22:41] <ChaosParser> Araneidae: I mean, the source is on launchpad if you're feeling frisky. :-p
[22:42] <ChaosParser> Araneidae:   compiz-gnome: Depends: compizconfig-backend-gconf (>= 0.7.4) but 0.7.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[22:42] <Turski> esox: ok... i don't know about update-manager, i have done all upgrades manually
[22:42] <Turski> with apt
[22:42] <ChaosParser> Araneidae: 0.7.4 was just posted 3 hours ago, and doesn't appear to be upstream yet.
[22:43] <Araneidae> Well, I'll update tomorrow then.
[22:43] <hischild> ChaosParser,  compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-main have been updated apparently
[22:43] <coz_> any issues with kernel updates today?
[22:43]  * Pelo gives up 
[22:44] <Pelo> coz_,  I coudn'T boot it , it stopped right after NTP
[22:44] <coz_> Pelo,  ah oh
[22:44] <ChaosParser> hischild: Yeah.  It updated the plugins, removed compiz-gnome, and can't reinstall compiz-gnome because the package is broken at the moment.
[22:44] <daekdroom> Could someone succesfully use fglrx driver with X200M?
[22:44] <hischild> ChaosParser, i'll sit back and wait for it then
[22:44] <daekdroom> ChaosParser: use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:45] <coz_> daekdroom,   I am not up on ati card situations but you may  want to ask that in #compiz-fusion if you are also running compiz fusion
[22:45] <coz_> daekdroom, then ask  adamk
[22:45] <|ULTRA|> Hi
[22:45] <Pelo> coz_,  it's 2.6.24-16.22 btw
[22:46] <daekdroom> coz_: I'm not running compiz. My problem is that any way I install it results in a broken X
[22:46] <coz_> Pelo, thanks I will just hold off then
[22:46] <Pelo> coz_,  it's 2.6.24-16.21 sorry I got confused I have no idea where to get the .22 one
[22:46] <coz_> daekdroom, ok still ask adamk in #compiz-fusion  he knows his stuff however let me see if he is in right now
[22:46] <|ULTRA|> I do a fresh install of Hardy, aptitude install ubuntu-xen-server, an if I turn on nosmp option in Grub, my system (dom0) drops to a (initramfs) prompt... any ideas?!
[22:46]  * Pelo is seriously considering reinstalling gutsy ,  he can'T get to write to his usb flash driives in hardy 
[22:46] <coz_> daekdroom, no he isnt in right now
[22:47] <daekdroom> coz_: I see.
[22:47] <hischild> Pelo, you have to claim ownership on them first before your user can write them. Otherwise use sudo for it.
[22:47] <coz_> daekdroom, however he is the one to talk to  just tell him about the card version and pretend you will install compiz fusion :)
[22:47] <pikeshouse88> i dont know why you guys are complaining, you upgraded 2 weeks early
[22:47] <hischild> pikeshouse88, who did? not me. I'm running it just fine
[22:47] <Pelo> hischild, I tried to chown and it didn't do anyting
[22:47] <daekdroom> coz_: That's what I want, actually :D
[22:47] <Fritzel> are there any mature mud clients for linux that specifically are not tintin or other console based programs?
[22:48] <coz_> daekdroom,  then you are good to go  he should be back in about an hour or two
[22:48] <coz_> daekdroom,  I am generally there for nvidia and know very little about ati situations
[22:48] <hischild> Pelo, ls -l it to see who's owner
[22:48] <coz_> daekdroom, however there is a bot  link if  you go to #compiz-fusion and type   !ati      it will give general descriptions
[22:49] <Pelo> hischild,  drwx------  2 jean root 16384 2008
[22:49] <hischild> Pelo, chown -R <user>:<user> /your/media/stuff
[22:50] <hischild> _DO NOT_ do that on any dir that contains programs.
[22:50] <Fritzel> I think its a period not colon?
[22:50] <Fritzel> oh and I made this mistake do not run that on any directory that starts with a .
[22:50] <Pelo> his no progs as fat as I know , just firmware and half a mp3 file
[22:50] <Pelo> hischild, all hell just broke loose
[22:50] <Fritzel> let me tell you it's not fun to clean up a message that recursively changes ownership to ..
[22:50] <sn9> Fritzel: it's a colon
[22:51] <Fritzel> I'll take your word for it I never use it
[22:51] <hischild> Fritzel, i reinstalled my laptop after i acidentilly changed ownership of both the sudo and su binary. Now i know i could just use recovery to get it back to how it should be.
[22:54] <Fritzel> -nod- I havn't done that yet, but when I did do this and I repeat do not type this "chmod -R user .*" it happened to be on a production machine, let me tell you I'm so glad we had a lot of users on that system becaues I did not want to have to restore system files ownership, thankfully I did manage to get it fixed in about 2 hours
[22:54] <sourcemaker> is there already a repository for vmware in gusty available?
[22:54] <Fritzel> alot of users = I realized it was taking too long = ACK I typed -R .* = idiot
[22:54] <sourcemaker> sorry, i mean hardy
[22:54] <DanaG> How the heck do you change NIC settings for VMs?
[22:55] <Pelo> would i encounter many issues if I were to reinstall gutsy ? would most of my apps be ok ? I'm thinking of evolution and firefox mainly, my bookmarks and appointements ?
[22:56] <cschneid> To repeat the question I asked in #ubuntu:
[22:56] <DanaG> And how can I attach libvirt to the host interface tap0?
[22:56] <cschneid> I'm attempting to get wireless up and running on 8.04 64bit, I built the newest ndiswrapper, registered a win xp64 driver, and now when I modprobe, the modprobe process goes into the "D" state (in ps), which is uninterruptible sleep.  Any ideas on what's going wrong?
[22:57] <crimsun> cschneid: check `dmesg'
[22:57] <Pelo> I'll give it a try anyway,  wish me luck
[22:57] <cschneid> crimsun: nothing there, ndiswrapper says it loaded ok, finds the driver, and says a few things about my wireless card, then nothing more
[22:57] <cschneid> crimsun: I lied, that is in "messages"
[22:57] <cschneid> crimsun: no mention at all in dmesg
[22:58] <Jaffarkelshac> i get tired of typing ip address when using vnc and ssh and ... is there a way to get the hostnames resolved
[22:58] <crimsun> cschneid: is the extracted fw fully supported in that version of ndiswrapper?
[22:58] <ether_c> compiz is back in the repos?
[22:58] <ether_c> hmm
[22:59] <DanaG> Any help with libvirt?
[22:59] <cschneid> crimsun: it's been quite a while since using linux, not positive.  I assume there is a database of that somewhere
[22:59] <icanhasadmin> Before I start a bug report... Acer 5315, gdm hangs after login with any version of the kernel. any ideas?
[22:59] <ether_c> YES!!!!
[22:59] <sn9> DanaG: what kind of help?
[22:59] <crimsun> cschneid: right, I would start with ndiswrapper's web site.
[22:59] <ether_c> compiz works again
[22:59] <ether_c> somehow
[22:59]  * icanhasadmin pokes crimsun
[22:59] <odinriiko> Is there anything special I have to do to get dvd playback to work?
[22:59] <Fritzel> it was broken?
[22:59] <ether_c> some packages weren't in the repos yet
[23:00] <ether_c> so when I dist upgraded a while ago, they all got removed
[23:00] <Fritzel> ahh -nod
[23:00] <Sergeant_Pony> msg icanhasadmin I now have Wireless working as well as Pulse Audio. Even on a reboot.
[23:00] <crimsun> who's poking me?
[23:00] <Sergeant_Pony> not me
[23:01] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: that's awesome
[23:01]  * crimsun turns off hilights on actions with nick references
[23:01] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: me :) you fixed my alsa that time. wondering if you have any suggestions about my issue before i file a bug report... couldn't find anything quite the same
[23:01] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: err, what did I fix?
[23:02] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin it took some doing to get wireless working but I figured it out and got it going.
[23:02] <cschneid> crimsun: the 32 bit version seems to be reported working (rtl 8185 chipset), but of course, I'm on 64 bit.
[23:02] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: did that patch work?
[23:02] <DanaG> sn9: I want to use VDE networking with the guest OS.
[23:02] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin Yup, sure did
[23:02] <DanaG> I currently use my VirtualBox hooked to the host tap0.
[23:02] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: my Alsa drivers. a few months back. nevermind, i was just asking about my specific issue i mentioned above ^
[23:02] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: glad to hear it :) anything special or just keeped trying till it did it?
[23:03] <sn9> DanaG: tap0 should work as described on the wiki, but i don't know about vde support in virt-manager
[23:03] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin: it worked fine til I rebooted then I went back to the webpage and read some more and figured out what I missed.
[23:03] <DanaG> wiki doesn't show 'tap0'
[23:04] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: good show
[23:04] <DanaG> I already have a dnsmasq on the host, for example.  I don't want a separate virtual dhcp server.
[23:04] <Sergeant_Pony> even got it going at my home network with encryption
[23:05] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: reproduce the gnome-session hang using the vesa driver.
[23:05] <majost> I am confused about something... what is the difference between alsa-kernel in the actual kernel
[23:06] <majost> and alsa-kernel within the linux-ubuntu-modules package
[23:06] <sn9> DanaG: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KvmVirtManagerEtc#head-908141c06b36b6c1470bbcfdf2b2b19003483325
[23:06] <majost> aside from one not having the oss emulation stuff
[23:06] <DanaG> I already created the thing through virt-manager.
[23:06] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: are you suggesting i try that? because i'm 90 percent sure it's not my video card.
[23:07] <sn9> DanaG: look at _that_ heading
[23:08] <DanaG> And it's not bridged to anything right now.
[23:08] <sn9> DanaG: bridging links tap0 with your eth0
[23:09] <DanaG> I'd plan to leave tap0 unbridged -- that way I isolate the VMs from outside.
[23:09] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: does that mean "shut up and do it anyway"?
[23:09] <DanaG> I use dnsmasq and ip forwarding instead.
[23:09] <usser> so compiz is out?
[23:09] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: i went to terminal 1 and ran top... nothing is taking up any cpu.. and only 'init' seems to be loaded in the memory
[23:10] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: I'm suggesting that you start from a fresh profile (create a new user and reproduce the issue).
[23:10] <sn9> DanaG: sounds like you don't really wanna use tap0 after all
[23:10] <sn9> just the default
[23:10] <gargan-> i installed xchat-gnome, then uninstalled it and installed the regular xchat client. but the xchat-gnome icon is still in the applications list. how do i get rid of it?
[23:10] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: I often recommend using the lowest common denominator, which includes a known-good video state, but if you're positive it's not your video driver, skip that portion.
[23:10] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: will do. so i shouldn't edit my xorg.conf at all to turn off fglrx?
[23:10] <DanaG> What I want to do is this: take my VirtualBox system, currently bound directly to the tap0 interface, and either replace it with another VM app, or replace it with a virtual switch (VDE or a bridge).
[23:10] <linkinxp> why i have a delay for my Wireless icons and other icons to appear when my system boots up (never happened before)
[23:11] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: as I mentioned, if you're certain fglrx is blameless, then don't muck with xorg.conf.
[23:11] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: well can i tell you how i know it's not my video driver? if i stop gdm manually from terminal 1, and then 'startx', i have no issues. it's just on initial boot, every time.
[23:11] <sn9> DanaG: sounds like the default to me
[23:12] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: my dmesg shows tons of apic 40 errors.. but i always had them with the HAL and they never seemed to affect anything
[23:12] <DanaG> The default seems to run a virtual dhcp server.
[23:12] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: if `startx' succeeds, do you use an ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc ?
[23:13] <Pirate_Hunter> I in need of a recommended app that shows how fast my net connection, the upstream and downstream and other necessary information?
[23:13] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: i don't suppose i purposly used either... so which one would be default.. or what exactly is the difference?
[23:13] <sn9> DanaG: the virtual nic is either directly bound or isolated. you seem to be saying it's both in your vbox
[23:14] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: is it possible xinitrc is borked but xsession works?
[23:14] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: by default you have neither.
[23:14] <DanaG> Web side: eth0 or wlan0.  VM side: host interface is tap0.  Virtualbox uses that interface directly.
[23:14] <sn9> with the bridging, the vm is a peer on the net to the host
[23:14] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: which implies the culprit is either gdm or gnome-session (presuming you're using GNOME)
[23:15] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: this is a fresh install, only thing i did was an update for all the new packages. (yes i'm using GNOME), which is why i'm worried others will have this problem.
[23:15] <sn9> without bridging, there is point-to-point between vm and host
[23:15] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: it just doesn't make sense to me that it hangs after login, but when i stop it and startx again it works fine. i even get DRI and everything.
[23:15] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: how far into loading the session does it get?
[23:15] <DanaG>      <source bridge='br0'/>    <source network='default'/>     -- is this source tag documented somewhere?
[23:16] <Pirate_Hunter> I in need of a recommended app that shows how fast my net connection, the upstream and downstream and other necessary information?
[23:16] <sn9> DanaG: maybe on the virt-manager website?
[23:17] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: visually? it doesn't. harddrive only blinks for maybe 1 second. top shows no activity... 'init' in memory.. ps aux shows almost nothing doing anything, but many modules seem loaded, normal stuff.
[23:17] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: what does `ps auxw' in another term show?
[23:17] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: just the mouse pointer and the 'tan' background... no wallpaper or panels
[23:18] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: what does the extra 'w' do? i only say because to recreate this, i have to reboot, leave here, and then i won't even know what i'm looking at with that command
[23:19] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: wide output.
[23:19] <DanaG> http://libvirt.org/format.html
[23:19] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: won't that make me see LESS things? lol. aux showed many many things running.. sound drivers etc.. should i write them down? i mean really it's nothing odd.
[23:20] <DanaG> Everything there seems to be about bridging.
[23:20] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: i guess what i'm saying is.. what exactly am i looking for?
[23:21] <DanaG> I guess I could create a bridge with tap0, myself.
[23:21] <cschneid> screw it, I give up!  as far as I can tell 64 bit rtl8185 isn't supported.  If anybody knows otherwise, I'd love to hear it
[23:22] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: you're only interested in things spawned from gdm.
[23:22] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: s/from/after/
[23:23] <crimsun> though I suppose you could use `ps fw' to accomplish the "from" semantics
[23:23] <alex_mayorga> how buggy is -16?
[23:24] <brynjolf> Why doesnt fglrx show up in jockey?
[23:24] <crimsun> brynjolf: because jockey is currently hosed.
[23:24] <majost> http://apt2.freespire.org/CNRUbuntu/pool/main/p/pstail/pstail_1.0-1r1cnr1.tar.gz is a good little script for watching what is spawned by processes after a specific point in time
[23:24] <brynjolf> Ok, thanks, fast answer hehe
[23:25] <Pirate_Hunter> can someoen suggest a good app to check internet speed, upstream/downstream etc?
[23:25] <majost> Cliff wrote that one afternoon when I was trying to trace something down.
[23:26] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: s/from/after ?
[23:27] <smeuuh> hi, my ubuntu hardy gets me to a menu listing "resume normal boot, drop to shell, continue X server" when I do shutdown now over ssh
[23:27] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: to be precise, I corrected myself, because "from" is different semantically to "after", and I meant "after", really.
[23:27] <smeuuh> it's fine for reboot now however
[23:27] <DanaG> http://www.watzmann.net/blog/index.php/2007/04/27/networking_with_kvm_and_libvirt
[23:27] <DanaG> sn9: that's helpful there.
[23:28] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: please excuse my ignorance. what collumn am i looking for this in and what exactly is it saying?
[23:29]  * hmuller laughs
[23:29] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: the far right (or contextually trailing) column
[23:30] <Luckrider> what is open office hyphenation? the new upgrade wants to remove it.
[23:30] <remi>  I just upgraded to hardy heron beta, and jockey-gtk crashes from time to time. and when I do "apt-get install jockey-gtk" it says that I have the latest version available. what can I do?
[23:30] <hiredgoon> oh no!  no more hyphens!
[23:30] <crimsun> icanhasadmin: essentially, look for what is spawned after gdm.
[23:30] <crimsun> (out for a bit)
[23:31] <DanaG> Sounds like I have to create a bridge including tap0.
[23:31] <Luckrider> what is open office hyphenation? the new upgrade wants to remove it.
[23:31] <Luckrider> anyone?
[23:31] <hiredgoon> wish i knew Luckrider
[23:31] <Luckrider> lol, same here
[23:31] <lumm> hi, is there a known bug on hardy alternative install cd ?.. using secure lvm ? cant get it installed..
[23:31] <DanaG> In other words, br0 was what I wanted, but I just had to replace eth0 with tap0.
[23:31] <m1r> there is new compiz update , it wants remove "compiz compiz-gnome" . someone mentioned b4 there was problems with it ?
[23:33] <sn9> m1r: check for new rpo updates again
[23:33] <sn9> *repo
[23:33] <m1r> kk, tnx sn9
[23:33] <icanhasadmin> crimsun: ok, i'll write it all down..
[23:33] <smeuuh> okay, if anyone cares, I found a workaround with sudo init 0
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> if I hot plug a bluetooth dongle, should it just work? or do I have to kick the bluetooth service?
[23:37] <bhsx> howdy...  is there a LAMP meta-package?
[23:39] <pen> after update, I can't install fusion icon
[23:39] <pen> what can I do to make it work?
[23:39] <icanhasadmin> god don't get me started
[23:40] <hmuller> alex_mayorga: plug it in, then take a look in /var/lib/bluetooth, then you'll have to connect whatever it is you want to use with bluetooth-properties (hint: preferences > services
[23:41] <hmuller> alex_mayorga: if you don't see anything in /var/lib/bluetooth, then you'll have to troubleshoot, which means find out why it's not being detected.
[23:41] <alex_mayorga> hmuller, problem is that the B icon won't show up even if it shows in the folder you pointed
[23:42] <hmuller> alex_mayorga: you tried /etc/init.d/bluetooth start   ?
[23:42] <alex_mayorga> hmuller, a BT address does appear at ﻿/var/lib/bluetooth
[23:42] <esox> I cant manage to download updates...
[23:42] <pen> There is no compiz after I do the update
[23:42] <pen> why??
[23:43] <pen> CCSM and all the other stuff have been uninstalled
[23:43] <esox> are all repositories out of order ?
[23:43] <alex_mayorga> hmuller, that last command did the trick, is this a bug or maybe a wish?
[23:43] <alex_mayorga> udev should kick the init.d shouldn't it?
[23:43] <hmuller> alex_mayorga: my BT is built in, and is detected at boot.  I suspect that what you need to do is create a udev rule to start the bluetooth service when the usb BT is inserted.
[23:44] <majost> This this a known issue: http://pastebin.ca/981625
[23:45] <netdur> compiz broke
[23:45] <majost> Rules.make didn't pull down from git
[23:45] <majost> and the other files are there... so I am not sure what the deal is yet
[23:49] <hmuller> alex_mayorga: are you familiar with udev rule creation?
[23:50] <esox> whats the problem with the update ?
[23:50] <hmuller> !pastebin > hmuller
[23:50] <esox> cant get any update
[23:53] <pen> I have compiz problem after update
[23:54] <hmuller> How do I private message ubotu?
[23:54]  * hmuller forgets
[23:55] <clarezoe> can anyone help me on my wireless conection? when I run wpa_supplicant it saied 'trying to associate with xx:xx:xx:xx' then ctrl-even-disconneted -disconnect event-remove keys, and then loop