[00:25] LaserJock: pong? [00:27] nixternal: are you going to be doing any more kubuntu-docs uploads before release? [00:27] nope [00:27] unless something is totally broken of course [00:28] sure [00:28] I was just wondering if I should do a final edubuntu-docs [00:28] hrmm, I thought you weren't going to? [00:28] I'll review k-d tonight [00:28] huh? [00:29] wasn't gonna do what? [00:29] upload a final e-d, I presume. [00:30] I would assume I would want to do a final one before it's ... you know, final :-) [00:31] just came back from a graduation party for a good friend [00:31] maybe I had a little too much champagne for nixternal ;-) [00:32] hehe [00:32] although I wouldn't think half a glass would do much [00:32] nasty stuff [00:32] sparkling cider is way better [00:50] New bug: #215441 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Grammatical errors found in desktop-effects.xml" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215441 [00:52] That bug contains no actual grammatical issues. [00:53] and most, if not all, of the itemized complaints aren't valid. [01:02] those are my favorite bugs! [02:20] does anyone know if we have to do a "bzr bind" to the new intrepid branches to prevent commit-history problems like we did with the hardy branch? [02:56] hm. anyone know how to import translations? [02:56] i think it's time to do that, right? [04:52] I found a reference to this channel on some forum post [04:52] I'm looking for an easy way to generate PDFs from docbook [04:53] I read that the way to go is via apache fop [04:53] is that still the case? [04:53] if it is, are there simple packages to install to get it working? [05:17] I'm not sure [05:17] used to be no because fob is a Java app [05:17] *fop [05:17] but I think I may have seen it go by in hardy-changes [05:17] thumper: ^^ [05:18] LaserJock: thanks [05:18] LaserJock: so is there a fo2pdf command somewhere? [05:18] I think it does that, but I'm not sure [05:18] let me look real quick if we have a script for it [05:31] thumper: the doc team does have some useful stuff [05:31] :) [05:31] thumper: in the libs/pdf/ directory [05:32] LaserJock: of a ubuntu-doc branch? [05:32] yeah, if you don't have one grab intrepid because we started the history over and it will be *much* faster to branch [05:35] LaserJock: thanks [05:36] thumper: np, hope it helps [05:36] me too :) [08:05] thumper: we haven't built pdfs since probably the edgy release so you won't find the actual commands we ran in the branch; I'll try and dig them out for you [08:06] mdke: thanks [08:06] that'd be appreciated [08:08] thumper: aha, if you get the dapper branch (use a DC machine) then you'll find them in ubuntu/Makefile, I'm pretty sure. Just getting the branch myself [08:08] DC? [08:09] Dapper branch? taking a trip into the Museum of Antique Docs? [08:09] thumper: I mean datacenter [08:09] Madpilot: right [08:09] mdke: how about LP? [08:10] bzr branch lp:ubuntu-doc/dapper [08:10] thumper: i mean, it will be a lot faster to download from a datacenter machine than outside [08:10] it's a large branch [08:10] * thumper shrugs [08:10] smaller than LP I bet [08:10] and I can wait [08:10] ok [08:11] thumper: ok, so here is a sample: [08:11] xsltproc --xinclude -o $(LULUBASE)C/serverguide.fo $(LULUSTYLE) ../generic/serverguide/C/serverguide.xml [08:11] fop -c ../libs/pdf/fop.xconf -fo $(LULUBASE)C/serverguide.fo -pdf $(LULUBASE)C/serverguide.pdf [08:11] rm $(LULUBASE)C/serverguide.fo [08:12] hmm... [08:12] what do I need to install to get the fop command? [08:12] thumper: fop, but afaik there isn't an ubuntu package, it needs to be installed by hand [08:12] :( [08:12] why not? [08:12] geez [08:13] where's a motu when you need one [08:13] maybe it is now, I don't know [08:13] it's been some time since we used it [08:13] thumper: details which should be accurate as at about a year or two ago are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/BuildingDocumentation/PDF [08:15] mdke: thanks, I'll check it out [08:19] the Ubuntu Training team have been converting xml to pdf too, using a different toolchain, I think [08:19] thumper: you might want to contact them too [08:19] mdke: billy? [08:19] thumper: right [08:19] ok [08:19] thanks again [08:20] np [13:24] hi all [13:47] New bug: #215662 in ubuntu-doc "Licensing information is not stated / linked from the docs "preview" website" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215662 [13:48] mdke: any thoughts on bug #215025? [13:48] Launchpad bug 215025 in ubuntu-doc "server guide / mail filtering error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215025 [13:49] sommer, there a bit of missing information in the server guide, regarding JeOS install. Should I just log a bug ? [13:49] MagicFab: missing as incorrect, or more details? [13:50] more details - GRUB install fails, which may give the impression the install is not posssible when in fact LILO can be used (which makes sense in such context) [13:51] Similar to "missing SCSI support" which IMO is a bug but if duly documented can be worked around easily [13:51] umm... that actually sounds more like an issue with jeos itself, and not a doc bug [13:52] I'll file a bug against jeos, but I am asking here if it's worth changing the doc about that. [13:52] you could ask in #ubuntu-virt about the grub issue... during my testing grub worked fine :) [13:53] MagicFab: no, because hopefully the bug will be fixed before release [13:53] nijaba tells me the doc is frozen, though. [13:53] plus we're basically frozen until release [13:53] Could this be an exception if tha bug is not resolved by release ? [13:53] heh, correct [13:54] probably not, because of the time it takes for translations [13:55] I'd think that grub not working is a pretty major thing, soren in #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu-virt is the one working on jeos and virtualization stuff [13:56] Oh it's already reported. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-jeos/+bug/215618 [13:56] Launchpad bug 215618 in ubuntu-jeos "Grub installation fails on JeOS Hardy on KVM Hardy" [Undecided,New] [13:56] heh, bonus [13:57] MagicFab: you might ping soren about it, if you're still seeing the problem in the latest jeos version [13:57] so confirming that one and bugging soren about that I guess. [13:58] sommer, thank you. [13:58] welcome [14:02] sommer, I am seing that in a fresh Hardy beta of Jeos, that's why I am here :) So... might this be grounds for a doc update exception if it's not fixed by release ? [14:03] no, I have every confidence that it'll be fixed by release. If not the proper way to handle it would be with an SRU. [14:04] an SRU to make grub on jeos work that is :) [14:05] I am not sure it's not intentional - it's also curious someone logged the bug 1 hr. ago :) [14:05] I think that grub working is the expected behavior, so it's usually best to document that... at least that's my view... heh [14:05] Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [14:06] MagicFab: I can ask soren real quick [14:06] sure, although he's notified already. [14:07] ah, well if it was only created an hour ago, he may not have had time to address it yet [14:10] sure, I work with soren so I won't break his neck just yet :) [14:11] ah, that's cool... at canonical? [14:11] yes, although I am at support. He's in the server team as you know [14:12] ooohhh, sure you blog frequently? [14:13] sommer, these days yes - it depends. -> http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog/ [14:14] cool, I read Planet Ubuntu... nice to meet you in IRC :) [14:17] sommer, likewise. I'll most likely endup contributing to docs directly - I was supposed to help with the Desktop guide too. [14:18] that's awesome... the more the merrier! [14:19] sommer, I had promised never to code or use dev tools long ago. Whishful thinking :) [14:20] MagicFab: hehehehe... coding can be fun too [14:26] sommer, I am told GRUB is supposed to work in JeOS and will be fixed - so no changes to that doc just yet [14:27] sweet === fdd_0 is now known as fdd [18:38] mdke: ping [18:38] sommer: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back) === MagicFab is now known as MagicFab_brb === MagicFab_brb is now known as MagicFab [21:22] sommer: I think it's too late for a fix like that [21:22] sommer: how serious is it? [21:24] mdke: the group and username are reversed... so it won't work the way it currently is [21:24] but the user may well reverse the docmented command and things will work [21:25] so overall, I can't say it's a huge bug [21:25] sommer: ok, as long as the wrong command doesn't lead to breakage, I think we fix it for intrepid [21:25] I missed it because I had both usernames as part of each other's goup [21:25] okay, sounds good [21:26] thanks mdke [21:27] I guess my other thought is that I'd hate to have the error there for 5 years :( [21:29] sommer: we'll fix it after the release then and update translations [21:29] as per philbull's proposal [21:29] oh ya, good point