/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/04/11/#ubuntu-ops.txt

nixternal_nalioth: ping-a-ling00:17
naliothnixternal_: dong-a-long00:22
nixternal_woot, you are here00:23
nixternal_hey, what is the IP for nixternal?00:24
nixternal_comcast is starting to piss me off switching my IP around00:24
nixternal_I have my homework on the server my irssi is running at home, and I need to turn it in :)00:24
nixternalthank you nalioth!00:25
ubotuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)01:22
naliothklined01:25
ubotuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)01:53
ubotuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)01:53
ubotuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)01:53
naliothklined01:54
jdongcould I get klined some time for fun and curiousity?02:02
jdongI've always wondered what actually happens :D02:02
Seeker`jdong: Imagine being banned from a channel, but with a network instead02:02
Seeker`I suspect02:02
PriceChildjdong: you get a little message, and can't reconnect?02:03
jdongSeeker`: pfft it's no fun hearing about it...02:03
jdongPriceChild: well I figure it's something like that02:03
* nickrud points nalioth at jdong 02:42
ubot3In ubot3, ubotu said: protonchris wants you to know: webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead.02:57
naliothlovely02:57
ubotuPelo called the ops in #ubuntu ()02:58
Seeker`is Pelo no longer an op?03:01
tonyyarussonot on the list03:02
LjLhe's not an op03:03
LjLhe'd rather concentrate on support03:03
tonyyarussogood for him03:05
Seeker`fair enough03:05
ubotuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)03:06
ubotuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)03:07
ubotuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)03:07
Seeker`looks like it only got 1 person03:07
Seeker`LjL: uppp just got muted by floodbot, cant really see why03:09
LjLSeeker`: he repeated the same message ("yes") twice, that gives you three points instead of just one in the flood count03:09
nickrudtoo many enters in a row03:09
Seeker`ah, ok 03:09
Seeker`fair enough03:09
LjLbut yes, that's probably overzealous03:09
LjLi'll look at it03:10
Seeker`how many "points" are you allowed?03:10
LjL4 lines before a warn, 6 before a mute03:10
LjLline=point03:10
LjLcertain kinds of lines give you more points03:10
nickrudnot really, he'd had like 12 lines while all the rest of the channel had 5 0r 603:10
nickrudhyperbole , but still got his attention 03:11
LjLnickrud: ok, but if you look at the timestamps, the actual "flood" really started at the "yes".03:12
LjLthe other lines were too far back.03:12
LjLso it's simply not doing what i intended it to do03:13
LjLin this case it might have done the right thing anyway, but if it's coincidence, that doesn't help03:13
nickrudLjL ah, I thought it wasn't overzealous, but should have told him why03:13
tritiumHobbsee: what's the background on the CC Agenda item?04:12
Hobbseetritium: paladine disagrees with emma's ban, as he disagrees with the general definition of spam, like emma does.04:12
Hobbseetritium: and they don't like the irc council decision about allowing irseek, so are appealing that to the CC too04:13
AmaranthWhee04:13
Hobbseei can undersatnd them.  If you have such a strange definition of spam, and don't agree with ours, then sure, i could see how it could be an abuse of power04:13
Hobbseehowever, seeing as their definition of spam also allows all spam email to be classed as non-spam, i'm afraid we can't agree with their definition.04:14
tritiumHobbsee: I see.  Thanks.04:14
AmaranthIt doesn't help that Paladine is feels like he is entitled to things because "he fights the good fight"04:14
AmaranthBut I'm going to get myself in trouble04:15
Hobbseei'm sure most people fight the good fight.04:15
HobbseeThe crux of the problem is the different definitions of spam.04:15
HobbseeOnce you actually define a correct definition of spam (or at least, what the CC regards as spam), it should all fall through pretty quickly.04:15
tritiumI'll try to attend to lend my support.04:16
Hobbseeif it turns out that the irc council definition of spam *is* wrong, then i expect they'll throw out the council and start again.04:17
tritiumI'd not expect that to happen.04:19
nickrudI see no date, is that correct or is it scheduled and the page not updated?04:19
Hobbseethat's correct.04:20
Hobbseethey're planning one at some point04:20
DBOping elkbuntu 04:23
elkbuntuDBO, pong?04:23
AmaranthDBO: bug fixed04:23
DBOhow active are you in Ubuntu these days?04:23
DBOAmaranth, fantastic!04:23
DBOAmaranth, you can help too =)04:23
Amaranthwell, the dh_strip stuff anyway04:23
elkbuntuDBO, not terribly. why?04:23
DBOyou still doing the loco stuff?04:23
Amaranthapparently they may be some other problem that is still breaking the shadows04:24
DBOeep04:24
elkbuntuDBO, on what level do you mean?04:24
DBOwell I was thinking to myself today, what a fine laptop I have.  It occurs to me the lot of us, not just me, owe System76 a thank you of sorts.  Not to mention that encouraging new users to get a 76 can't hurt the cause04:25
DBOI was hoping with the help of my friends here, and the guys on the forum, as well as anyone who can post to planet.gnome or planet.ubuntu04:26
AmaranthI'd rather tell them to get a Dell04:26
DBOwe could put on some kind of System76 appreciation day04:26
DBODell doesn't directly get down and dirty like the 76 guys do though...04:26
AmaranthStrategically it would be better if they got a Dell04:26
Seeker`DBO: How much are System76 paying you?04:26
AmaranthEven though System76 _is_ fucking awesome04:27
DBOSeeker`, with love =)04:27
AmaranthThat was worth swearing, trust me :P04:27
DBOthey are!04:27
DBOso anyhow, thats my idea...04:27
DBOI wan't to try to make it happen somehow04:27
tonyyarussoDBO: My sister needs a laptop for college, and I'm strongly considering recommending a system76 for her.  It's either that, a Dell with Ubuntu, or a Lenovo with SuSE (to be converted to Ubuntu)04:27
DBOtonyyarusso, the 76 has been wonderful so far04:28
AmaranthThe System76 guys seem to bend over backwards to help too04:28
tonyyarussoDBO: If you can get them to rectify doctormo's issue by the end of next week, I may be able to be talked into Planetifying something ;)04:28
DBOthey also do crazy things like overnight posters and stickers to loco parties04:28
tonyyarussoyes, I need to put in my poster order this weekend04:28
tritiumDBO: which model did you get?04:29
DBOtonyyarusso, fair enough.  I will come back when I have had a chance to talk to more people.  But I am hoping to get something organized for middle of May04:29
DBOtritium, a Gazelle Performance04:29
tritiumGazelle, or Serval?04:30
DBOGazelle04:32
tritiumJust checking, since their website now calls it the Gazelle "Value"04:34
DBOthe Performance is the version of the Gazelle with a nvidia card04:35
tritiumAh.04:36
tritiumI wish they'd refresh their offerings.04:37
tonyyarussome too, although I'm sure rechecking all of the hardware is a pain.04:49
tonyyarussoMaybe they'll have some new hardware to match the new software version.04:49
ubotuIn ubotu, thunc said: ubotu: bot is that? . I can't find a Renfield and send us the civilization. " "Okay " - The ord ers had to open my cd key was used too many assumprtions about HTML to parse excel csv's05:40
elkbuntuo.O05:44
elkbuntuok, does *anyone* understand that?05:44
Hobbseeno05:45
nickrudwhat, you expect to understand everything ;)05:45
elkbuntuno, but i expect people trying to get help to.05:46
nickrudat least it was in /msg . And only a one time thing. Chalk it up to drugs, alcohol or experimentation05:49
nalioththunc is an automaton 05:54
naliothit is designed to troll channels05:54
naliothif it's not an automaton, it has scripts in it that make it appear as such05:55
naliothbut 'troll' is a good description05:55
nickrudhm. thunc was in the ubuntu channel but didn't seem odd, maybe it fastened onto ubotu by luck05:57
ubotuIn ubotu, thunc said: ubotu: is when i login. Cause there are thousands of dairies in the Xorg dri module in here the man said, and see an explaination of error code describing the problem helps when asking people to actually talk about shit06:38
nalioth<sigh>06:40
ubotuIn ubotu, thunc said: ubotu: bot is confused. bot from hell06:44
ubotuIn ubotu, thunc said: ubotu: ubotu is a question.  but no, of course, sorry.06:59
ubotuIn ubotu, thunc said: ubotu: bot is confused.  "Annette! " he calls out, responding to his predicament.07:22
ubotuIn ubotu, thunc said: ubotu: bot is busted. I'm Jewish07:23
jussio1oh, please... :/07:25
tonyyarussoIf Seveas were online, ubotu does actually have an ignore list.07:27
ubotuIn ubotu, thunc said:  "When is my sound is automatically muted07:27
jussio1tonyyarusso: really?07:29
Hobbseeyeha, it does07:29
tonyyarussojussio1: yup indeedy07:29
jussio1seveas is online, just not here :/ (dont no if active though)07:29
tonyyarussoprolly not, but it might be worth a msg?07:29
jussio1actually, he was active 6 mins ago in offtopic... so eah07:30
tonyyarussogood point07:31
tonyyarussoShould be taken care of.  Going to bed now.07:39
jussio1:)07:39
ubotuFlannel called the ops in #ubuntu (pyguyy)07:59
Madpilotwhy on earth isn't flannel an op yet?08:00
* jussi01 hates it when he gets his syntax wrong :/08:02
ubotuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)08:59
ubotuunop called the ops in #ubuntu ()08:59
ubotuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood)08:59
ubotu_Andrew called the ops in #ubuntu ()08:59
naliothklined09:00
Jucatowhew09:00
jussi01:)09:00
Mezhehe, and good old floodbot sorted it out anyways09:00
AmaranthFloodBot takes care of everything09:00
jussi01wow, that was sme show :/09:01
AmaranthBot put us out of work :P09:01
AmaranthAll we have to do is pass things on to freenode staff and ban the occasional moron :)09:01
naliothsomebody went for the trifecta09:01
Amaranth?09:01
Mezand Amaranth with naloth here, we dont even need to pass it on09:02
nalioth #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu 09:02
Mezah09:02
Mezhehe09:02
Amaranthah09:02
Mezdidnt notice the others09:02
hischildsorry to bug you all, but can someone come over to #ubuntu?09:44
jpatrickhischild: what's up?09:44
jpatrickoh, I see09:45
hischild1 idiot giving useless advice and the other being annoying.09:45
jpatricklooks like nal's on the case :)09:46
hischildi have no idea who has ops there so i just came to bug you =)09:46
hischildthanks09:46
jpatrickhischild: see: /msg ChanServ access #ubuntu list09:47
jpatrickbut, here is a good place too09:48
hischildthose with access 10 are ops?09:48
jpatrickyes09:48
jpatrick10 and above09:48
hischildok tnx09:48
ubotuChousuke called the ops in #ubuntu (pat5star)09:54
AmaranthKnown person?09:55
AmaranthOh, I see.09:55
Madpilotgeneral stupidity, esp with bash commands09:55
elkbuntunick does ring a bell...09:55
elkbuntu@btlogin09:55
elkbuntuand for a reason, he was around about a fortnight ago for trying to debate who started ubuntu09:58
jpatrick /whois sabdfl10:00
elkbuntuheh10:02
stdinKarl is apparently /msg'ing random stuff10:12
stdin*Kral10:13
jpatrickwell, staff can be /msg'ed at any time10:15
jpatrickand he quit10:15
jpatrick /whois pat5star10:24
jpatrick"channels : #troll ##linux"10:24
JucatoBorn to Troll...10:25
jpatrickpopey: incidently does "Patrick Wallwork" ring a bell?10:25
Jucato(no.. but "Patrick Davies" does... :P)10:26
ubotubazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (Drum)10:29
AmaranthSweet FloodBot autobans people who notice the channel?10:30
Madpilotapparently10:30
stdin<FloodBot1> WARNING: Channel CTCP/NOTICE from Drum, banned10:30
Madpilotwhich country is .lv?10:30
jpatricklativa?10:31
stdinGeoIP Country Edition: LV, Latvia10:31
jpatrickalmost got it :)10:31
Madpilotjpatrick, close but for actual spelling ;)10:32
Madpilot0230 here, I'm going to leave the trolls and spammers to the rest of you. night10:32
Mez<+stdin> <FloodBot1> WARNING: Channel CTCP/NOTICE from Drum, banned <-- shouldnt it kick aswell as ban?10:36
nalioththe ban quiets10:36
stdinMez: floodbots aren't infallible10:36
ubotubazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (dud3)10:37
naliothklined10:37
Mezstdin, I know, but they have the ability to kick10:37
MezI was asking cause it would take me about 20 seconds to add it to the code (and 5 minutes to reboot the bot and propagate it's code)10:38
stdinMez: it's possible that it was a mistake so they shouldn't be kicked, but it's not normally the case I know10:38
Mezstdin, they should be banned but not kicked ? *shrugs*10:39
jpatrick /remove sounds better10:39
stdinwell ban stops them from sending any more messages, so that leaves it up to an op to decide as the danger is passed10:39
stdinMez: I do think that people who do the dcc exploit should be auto kb'd though10:40
Mezdefinately, they're currently only banned right?10:40
AmaranthThey are autokilled by nalioth10:40
stdinFB's currently ban yes, but not /remove10:41
stdinAmaranth: not always10:41
stdinI'm not sure if it's even enabled now10:41
Amaranthstdin: Wanna test? :)10:41
naliothAmaranth: not any more10:41
stdinno thanks ;)10:41
Meznalioth, would you be happy for them to be auto-kicked?10:42
naliothMez: who?10:43
Mezexploiters10:43
naliothyou mean the DCC gang?10:43
Mezyeah10:43
naliothhow accurate will your regex be?10:44
Meznalioth, well, you know when it gets a mask to ban for those using the exploit?10:45
Mezit'll be the nick used on that line, and they'll just be /removed10:46
stdinin other words, they are already auto-banned by the bots, but would it be ok to follow that with a /remove10:46
naliothah10:48
naliothwhat does it matter, if they can't send to the channel?10:48
Mezmore chance of them causing more mayhem through snarfling the nicklist ?10:50
Mezhttp://rafb.net/p/sqGtel45.html <-- proposed10:50
naliothMez: if they're in the channel for half a second, they've got the nick list10:52
jussi01someone tell me where to change the language on gnome? Im on a finnish system and cant remember where it is...10:52
jussi01whoops, wrong chan... sorry10:52
Meznalioth, depends on the client, whether it's an automated attack or not, etc etc.10:53
naliothMez: assume they get it10:53
popey10:25:58 <+jpatrick> popey: incidently does "Patrick Wallwork" ring a bell?10:56
popeyno, should it?10:56
Meznalioth, never assume. plus removing is sensible on a ban IMO10:59
jpatrickfun11:00
naliothMez: when tactics are in question, always assume11:01
nalioththat way, you take all possible vectors into consideration11:01
Meznalioth, which server went down there out of curiosity, there were 3 users from my office on 3 different servers and they all got different netsplit messages (though I know it does "Myserver/ irc.freenode.net")11:02
jpatrick"Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net"11:02
Mezjpatrick, make that 4 then11:03
MezI assume it was some anonymous hub somewhere11:03
spbit looked from here like a hiccup between two hubs11:05
Mezspb: strange thing is - apparently efnet had a split at nearly the same time11:06
jpatrickand blitzed.org11:08
Mezo_O11:08
Mezso thats what rm -rf /interweb/irc/links/*11:08
Mezdoes11:09
elkbuntumost major irc networks share datacentres11:10
Mezyeah, 11:10
* Mez guesses it was layer311:11
Mezor above.net11:11
Mezactually, above.net has been having MASSIVE problems of late11:11
jpatricktonyyarusso: Klassniy has spammed #kde, #kubuntu, and #ubuntu11:52
jpatricktomaw: *11:52
tomawnod, just looking into it now11:52
jpatrickI /remove'd it from those channels after spamage11:53
tomawaye11:53
jpatrickwb Mez 11:57
jussi01afternoon Pricey 11:57
Priceyallo :)11:58
jpatricktomaw: did you kill it in the end? /me has too remember to remove bans later11:58
tomawjpatrick: I haven't.  He seems to be sitting fairly idle now.12:01
jpatrickok12:01
ubotujpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu+1 (padonaklox)12:10
jpatricktomaw: there he is12:11
tomawhe's gone12:11
=== jpatrick is now known as jdavies
=== jdavies is now known as jpatrick
hischildcan anyone put a hold on the useless package discussion on #ubuntu?14:11
Picihischild: I'll intervene.14:11
hischildty Pici 14:12
Picihischild: thanks for the heads up.14:13
hischildPici, that's what i'm here for. Thanks for the quick action14:14
Piero_ScarufiiHi, anyone here14:16
PriceChildHey Piero_Scarufii, what's up?14:16
Piero_Scarufiii just wanted to apologize for the workload i caused yesterday 14:16
Piero_Scarufiibecause today i am fine14:17
Piero_Scarufii:)14:17
PriceChildNo need to apologise Piero_Scarufii :)14:17
Piero_Scarufiiso Mez you have my permission to interview christel for amarok radio14:17
MezPiero_Scarufii, I need your permission ?14:18
Piero_Scarufiihehe it was a joke14:18
Mezand it's Radio Amarok14:18
Piero_Scarufiii wanted to get your attention to apologize to you esp. since i upset you yesterday14:18
MezPiero_Scarufii, if it was a joke - went way over my head14:18
Piero_Scarufiii felt sorry for what i did yesterday14:19
Piero_Scarufiithats all just wanted to say i am sorry for causing so much work14:19
MezPiero_Scarufii, it wasn't really upset. It was more the fact that I'd spent a long time working on helping you, and then left, and came back an hour or so later, and there were even more issues.14:19
=== PriceChild is now known as Pricey
MezPiero_Scarufii, but, thankyou, apology accepted (even though an apology wasn't neccesarily needed)14:19
Piero_ScarufiiOk Mez i was too impatient to notice14:19
Piero_Scarufiifor me it was14:20
Piero_Scarufiinecessary thanks for accepting14:20
Piero_Scarufiiso i go now bu bye :)14:20
PiciHow odd.14:20
Meznice though.14:20
LjLi'm unbanning.14:20
LjL&wgius piero_scarufii14:20
* Mez has removed from -ot (Seveas placed the ban and isnt going to be here to deal with it anyway)14:21
LjL-ot?14:21
Mez-offtopic14:22
PriceyThere was a ban in -offtopic too? When did that happen?!14:22
PiciWas he in there?14:22
MezPricey, last night, when he insulted Sev out of the blue14:22
Priceythat football chant thing?14:23
MezPricey, yeah. Sev banned him for that14:23
Priceyright14:23
LjLwell i see my own ban isn't there, so i guess i'm not removing it14:23
MezSeveas is refusing to come back to -ops for a while. so we have to deal with it anyways14:24
PriceyLjL, I think I removed that one yesterday.14:24
MezPricey, you in your staff role today ?14:26
PriceyMez, whatcha need?14:26
MezPricey, daju has been waiting for a cloak in #freenode for ages now ;)14:26
PriceyMez, I'll see if he still needs help... knew there was a couple of important channels I forgot to join. Seems like there's a staffer on stats p/voiced in there though.14:27
MezPricey, who's been idling for ages14:28
LjLstaff that's active is unvoiced, you get voiced when you're away, it appears :)14:28
Mez* [dmwaters] idle 00:50:54, signon: Fri Apr 11 13:34:5714:29
Priceyalthough on stats p, hilights always help a lot as we don't follow #freenode religiously14:31
Mezhis name was said a few times ;)14:32
Priceyokies14:33
LjL[15:45:40] <sudobash> hey umm.... I have a few questions I would like to Ubuntu... Could you possibly talk to the other admins again.... or remove the ban from #ubuntu-ops14:51
LjL[15:46:00] <sudobash> to ask in #ubuntu *14:51
LjLi can't see a ban here, myself... can you check14:51
LjL... oh.14:53
LjLsudobash: here you go. i couldn't find your ban.14:53
sudobashthank you...14:54
LjLsudobash, feel free to make your case, i'm listening, and i think so are others14:55
sudobashI was curious if the ops have decided on a permanent ban or if it not could it be lifted for technical questions pertaining to Ubuntu?14:55
LjLthere is no decision on a permanent ban that i'm aware of14:56
sudobashI know I was a troll for a day or so but I was having a bad week but that is all over and done for....14:56
sudobashand if you would lift my ban I can contribute in any way possible14:57
LjLsudobash: so now you're familiar with the guidelines and CoC, as well as the other subtleties you should keep in mind when being in Ubuntu channels, and are prepared to go according to them?14:57
sudobashyes14:57
LjLdoes anyway see a problem with lifting sudobash's ban?14:59
LjLanyone14:59
Priceynope, its been a while15:00
Picisudobash: I'd like to just interject that giving bad advice is also frowned upon.  15:00
Priceylooking at the bantracker, i 'think' he may be on the autoremove..15:00
sudobashi will go no advice unless i am completely aware of it's intention... but which bad advice are you speaking of?15:01
sudobashgive*15:01
LjLPricey: he was.15:03
Picisudobash: I can't recall off the top of my head. 15:03
LjLsudobash, you should be able to rejoin #ubuntu. bad advice is thing unsupported by #ubuntu, for instance recommending enabling root, or using automatix, or generally doing things in ways unsupported by the official documentation, and us.15:03
spbthat's quite some definition of 'bad' you have there15:04
LjLmneptok can probably confirm that definition15:05
hischildsince i'm not sure, i'd like to know if it's ok if i idle in here since i seem to call some of you quite often. If the answer is no, naturally i'll stay at #ubuntu and only join when needed. 15:06
MyrttiSee topic15:06
LjLhischild, currently the policy is that only operators should idle in here, while others should only join when there is a necessity.15:06
hischildright15:06
LjLhischild: i think i don't see a problem with you idling here though, at the moment15:07
sudobashI'm out then.... Thank You Operators...15:07
hischildwell if you want me out feel free to kick me out (don't think i got auto-rejoin on) or just tell me. 15:07
hischildotherwise i'd thank you for letting me stay =)15:09
* Hobbsee doesn't see why, as the logs are close enough to real time anyway...15:09
=== PriceChild is now known as Pricey
ubotuerUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu (guest2008)21:04
ubotuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)22:43
LjL[23:49:20] <Charitwo> unban me, floodbot is retarded22:51
LjL[23:49:44] <LjL> hm?22:51
LjL[23:49:47] <LjL> doesn't want to test you?22:51
LjL[23:50:06] <Charitwo> what?22:51
LjL[23:50:30] <LjL> ?22:51
LjL[23:50:45] <Charitwo> unban me from #ubuntu , floodbot is retarded22:51
LjL[23:50:57] <LjL> sure, i'll unban you after you test your connection22:51
ikoniaalways with an attitude22:51
Seeker`fun22:51
Seeker`ikonia: Dont you know, the more obnoxious you are, the quicker you get unbanned22:52
LjL[23:51:09] <Charitwo> i dont have those means sorry22:52
LjL[23:51:17] <LjL> what means?22:52
LjL[23:51:27] <Charitwo> i have absolutely no control over the router22:52
LjL[23:51:45] <LjL> follow the instructions, there is an alternative workaround if you can do nothing about the router. it works.22:52
LjL[23:51:52] <LjL> if it doesn't work, then ask in #ubuntu-ops22:52
ikoniathis is leading somewhere22:52
ikoniaI feel a punchline22:52
Seveas...and they lived happily ever after22:53
hischildeven i managed to fix it. And that says something as my router is pretty retarded.22:53

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