[00:05] 'doesnt work' doesnt help [00:07] afk. going to work [00:08] I don't know how to be more clear :( [00:09] if I try to access the mail from my windows box it says plain text authentication can't be used, and If I say secure it says its not setup for secure, and if I telnet it says nothing at all just blank. [00:33] Could anybody that has owned or does own an Adaptec hardware raid card tell me if they have decent monitoring software that works in Ubuntu? [04:03] what file do I have to configure to use vhosts? [04:18] I get access denied when trying to add windows xp to a samba domain. What would cause this when machine and user are added? [05:12] can anyone help me create a user that can ftp into /var/www? [05:23] Hi. I've just installed Ubuntu Server in a VM, using RAID1 for all partitions, to test it's behavior in case of a disk failure. I went through the same steps to install a debian server. Debian could still boot after removing one of the disks, but Ubuntu isn't. Could someone, please, help me out? [05:52] mactimes: could you check if your problem is similar to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/125471 and eventually add your configuration and comment about debian on it? [05:52] Launchpad bug 125471 in mdadm "Booting from a degraded array could be improved" [Medium,Confirmed] [05:53] nijaba: This is the problem. [05:53] nijaba: Exactly the same [05:54] nijaba: I was afraid I was doing something wrong, but I reinstalled both systems 3 times each, just to make sure. [05:55] nijaba: Debian won't fail, but Ubuntu will give me busy box shell. [05:55] Could you add a comment to it, please, mentioning your experience with debian? [05:55] if KVM is what is officially supported by Ubuntu now, how come no one has updated the doc?! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM [05:55] osmosis: the doc in progress is published on doc.ubuntu.com [05:56] osmosis: it will be moved to help.ubuntu.com at release time [05:56] osmosis: you will see that we have somehow done our homework [05:56] oh.. well.. good to hear then. cheers. [05:57] nijaba: Sure, I can. But I don't see the point. I've been talking to people at #debian a few days ago and, as per information provided by them, Ubuntu packages come from Debian unstable. Would there be a downgrade? [06:00] mactimes: that is not completely true, and initramfs boot is one of the big differences [06:01] nijaba: Hum. Ok. I'll add a comment there, but I guess people will start pursuing me for the comment... [06:02] mactimes: nobody will force you to reply and you can unsubscribe from the bug at any time [06:02] nijaba: Right. [06:02] mactimes: thanks for your help [06:03] nijaba: I'm writing the comment now. [06:04] thanks a lot mactimes [06:05] nijaba: I'll let you know when I'm done. [06:07] does anyone has run ubuntu server on virtualbox? [06:07] i can't run dapper [06:09] i already run the installer [06:09] but i can't run the installed one === macd_ is now known as macd [06:27] nijaba: Just posted it there. === foo_ is now known as foo [11:06] hi guys ! [11:07] is tehre a good tut to upgrade a debian etch box to a ubuntu-server box remotely ? [11:07] *there [11:08] MatBoy: don't even try [11:09] MatBoy: do a fresh install [11:09] MatBoy: upgrading from debian to ubuntu is a pain [11:11] henkjan, I thought the same actually, but it seems that people have done it [11:27] That people have done it doesn't make it any better :) [11:53] <_ruben> MatBoy: remote upgrade: far from recommended, remote reinstall: possible depending on configuration :) [11:54] _ruben, shut up :P no but why not ? I can try it remote, and after it I still can go to the DC :D [11:55] _ruben, are you anywhere ? [11:56] * _ruben is here [11:56] _ruben, where ? [11:56] <_ruben> MatBoy: why not upgrade? dependency hell awaits you [11:56] * _ruben points [11:57] _ruben, if I need to reinstall it, I don't mind [11:57] better try it than never did it... same as with... youy know :d [11:58] <_ruben> i wouldnt bother trying to upgrade .. i would give it a try using some debootstrap magic .. if you have a spare (temp root) partition available, and ideally a seperate /boot, then odds are looking good [11:59] yeah I better see a reinstall too, much faster... but I don't want to go to the DC really [12:00] <_ruben> there's howto's available on how to install debian/ubuntu using debootstrap from any os for which debootstrap is avail [12:01] <_ruben> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/hppa/linux-upgrade.html .. first hit in google ;) [12:01] _ruben, reinstall is easier ;) [12:05] <_ruben> sure, but if you dont want to go to the DC than this'd be the way to go :) [12:11] dist-upgrade from debian sarge to ubuntu dapper failed for me [12:11] did it once in an vm [13:55] Hi, any thoughts about how to continue with a bugged out test install of hardy on dl360g4p? === blue-frog_ is now known as blue-frog [13:56] Do I fill out a bug or what do I do next? [13:58] Folke: did you start from a CD? [13:59] Folke: what's bugged about it? [14:00] mok0: Yes, it hanged on me on 2 different occasions. Both on the last thing "restarting now". [14:01] Folke: hmm, that has happened to me once... trying to remember what was wrong... [14:02] mok0: Then I did a cold reboot and the system started as it should. But when installting I hade some strange things. On the other tty's the text was borked up really good. Alot of @ and strange signs? [14:02] Folke: Is there enough space on the hard drive for the install? [14:02] Yes, It is a HP dl360g4p with 32G hwraid 1. [14:02] Folke: what's a dl360g4p? [14:03] Yes [14:03] Ah [14:03] Is there something problematic with them and hardy? [14:03] Folke: you can't have the boot partition on a raid AFAIK [14:04] mok0: But it is an ordinary hw raid. So that it presented to the system as /dev/ccsis01. So the raid is transparent for the system? [14:05] I will report it in the wiki, I did a test after the template in the serverteam pages. [14:05] Folke: we have an HP G5, but I didn't install it... [14:05] 380 g5? [14:06] Folke: In our machine, both / and /boot are on a /dev/cciss/ device [14:06] I planned to test on a dl380g4 and perhaps on a dl580g(?) next week. [14:06] Folke: yes, that's the newest of HP's blades [14:06] Ah. [14:06] Folke: Can't remember the actual model no [14:07] Folke: Oh, it's something with 580 too [14:07] mok0: We have no blades here :( Too sad, I want to play with one :) [14:07] Folke: or 380? [14:07] Folke: What version are you trying to install? [14:08] mok0: Just betatesting hardy. Not for production. Tried to help the serverteam with some testing on different hw. [14:09] Folke: ah, ok. I think you should fill out a bug report at Launchpad rather than the wiki [14:09] Folke: The good news is that it _should_ work, but hardy is in a pretty bad shape these days... (IMHO) [14:10] Folke: It's been rock-solid for months, but I have gotten problems this last week [14:10] mok0: When it entered beta? [14:11] Folke: I am not sure... but there's been around 4 kernel rebuilds during the last week [14:11] mok0: Auch. that's really what you not want when it goes stable :) [14:11] Folke: ... and I guess it takes a while for all the drivers to catch up [14:12] Folke: No! [14:12] ... fortunately there [14:12] is still a couple of weeks :-) [14:12] mok0: Yes :) [14:13] mok0: I cant seem to enter bugs at launchpad? Or am I looking at the wrong place? "https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/" [14:14] Folke: Yes, you need to start at the main page, then choose project "Ubuntu", then file a bug which is aimed at Ubuntu (and not a particular package) [14:14] mok0: Ah, thanks! [14:15] Folke: when you've done with the bug, you can subscribe the ubuntu-server team, then the bug will appear on their task list [14:17] mok0: I am subscribing to the newslist. And asked for participation on the serverteam at launchpad. Is that the right way to go? [14:17] Folke, no [14:18] ack. I will never do right :D [14:18] Folke: what is the number of your new bug? [14:18] I filling out now. [14:18] Folke: when you've hit save, come back here [14:19] mok0: k. [14:26] mok0: #215686 [14:27] bug 215686 [14:27] Launchpad bug 215686 in base-installer "Installation hang on dl360G4p and borked text on other consoles" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215686 [14:27] ah, k.. I understand. [14:27] Folke: In the pink area under "Actions" find "Subscribe someone else" [14:27] mok0: aye [14:28] Shall I add ubuntu-server? [14:28] Folke: That seems reasonable [14:28] mok0: :) [14:29] Folke: if you click on the link "Ubuntu Server Team" you can now see that your bug has appeared on their list [14:30] mok0: Ah, then I understand how to assign bugs. [14:31] Folke: ... and if you go to your own LP page, it is listed on your Bugs tab [14:31] Folke: actually, it [14:31] it's pretty nifty, but you gotta know who to subscribe :-) [14:32] Folke: otherwise your bug gets lost among the 215685 others :-) [14:33] mok0: Now when vmware has certified ubuntu on their esx'es I thought that I could try to give something back to the community.. So I started to test hardy on some hw that we have here.. Then I guess that JeOS is the thing that seems most interesting to us :) [14:33] Folke: exactly [14:34] Folke: we are actually running several servers on JeOS guest machines using kvm [14:34] mok0: Ah, how does it do compared to "vanilla" server= [14:34] ? [14:35] Folke: you mean in terms of efficiency? [14:35] <_ruben> minimal install (just enough, hence the name) and special kernel (-virtual flavour) [14:35] Folke, if you try JeOS beta today, be aware there is a bug in GRUB, although it's being fixed there is a workaround: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-jeos/+bug/215618 [14:35] Launchpad bug 215618 in ubuntu-jeos "Grub installation fails on JeOS Hardy on KVM Hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:36] Folke: It's a littlebit slower than running straight on the host. There is a bit of overhead in the internet bridge [14:36] Folke: but it's super stable [14:37] mok0: That sounds great! Thats what is needed. Stability is a sysadmins best dream :) [14:37] <_ruben> hmm .. reminds me, lets upgrade my hardy jeos test install :p [14:38] _ruben: Are there alot of kernel switches that are different from vanilla? [14:39] <_ruben> Folke: dont think im the right person to ask that, am just another user, hardly playing with hardy yet [14:40] Except from stripped and special kernel I guess JeOS is binary compatible with vanilla repo tree? [14:41] <_ruben> the repo's are identical .. just the base install differs between desktop/server/jeos [14:41] guys [14:41] i have an ubuntu 6.06LTS server [14:41] i wanna upgrade it ver 7.10 [14:41] how do i go about performing the upgrade? [14:42] <_ruben> lilsyko: step by step .. 6.06 -> 6.10 -> 7.04 -> 7.10 [14:42] lilsyko: Is it a critical production server? [14:42] <_ruben> once hardy is final you'll be able to go 6.06 -> 8.04 [14:42] mail relay server [14:42] quite critical [14:42] but now in my country is 9.42pm [14:42] <_ruben> for 6.06 -> 7.10 reinstall is usually safer and faster [14:42] go its a good time for an upgrade [14:43] lilsyko: Ah, then perhaps wait to the next LTS? [14:44] hmm [14:44] maybe i'll do step by step [14:44] as _ruben suggested [14:45] <_ruben> lilsyko: be ready for troubles tho, it *might* go cleanly, but dont assume so [14:45] hmmm [14:45] <_ruben> 8.04 should be out by the end of the month .. so if you can wait, then do so ;) [14:45] i mean 6.06 to 8.04 [14:45] is such a big ver jump [14:45] wont it cause more issues? [14:45] <_ruben> but it *is* supported [14:46] <_ruben> 8.04 is also LTS [14:46] <_ruben> LTS -> LTS will be supported .. for non-LTS versions you have to go step by step [14:46] ok [14:48] _ruben: "end of the month"... does that mean that the advertised release day of April 24th has been postponed? [14:49] weird [14:49] i tried 'sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release' pn my 6.06LTS server but it says [14:49] No new release found [14:50] <_ruben> mok0: 24th is close enough to the end of the month for me to call it "end of month" .. didnt know the exact date by head ;) [14:50] lilsyko: did you follow the instructions in the release notes on the wiki for the beta? [14:50] _ruben: ah ;-) [14:51] yeah [14:51] <_ruben> 24th does sound awfully close though :/ [14:51] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades [14:51] <_ruben> with the current ammount of "problems" that is [14:55] so any idea guys? [14:55] <_ruben> lilsyko: we already gave several [14:56] i mean [14:56] <_ruben> and i doubt you want to upgrade a production server to hardy beta now [14:56] lilsyko: the page you linked suggests that the command you typed was for 7.10->8.04, rather than 6.06->8.04 [14:56] why isnt it showing the beta stuff? :P [14:56] lilsyko: see the section Upgrade from 6.06 LTS to 8.04 LTS [14:57] thats for desktop [14:57] i was reading the part that says [14:57] Network upgrade for Ubuntu servers (recommended) [14:57] ah i see [14:58] Do anyone know why there is LILO instead of GRUB in jeos? [14:58] <_ruben> Folke: you sure? [14:58] * _ruben checks [14:58] I looked at the bug 215618 [14:58] Launchpad bug 215618 in ubuntu-jeos "Grub installation fails on JeOS Hardy on KVM Hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215618 [14:58] <_ruben> Folke: my jeos install has grub, not lilo [14:58] <_ruben> tho i aint using kvm [14:59] _ruben: Oh, nice.. I thought that it was general in jeos.. sry [15:00] <_ruben> ah [15:06] damn [15:06] i tired the instructions as per the website [15:06] but still no go [15:13] _ruben [15:13] wanna ask you [15:13] it says to [15:13] # [15:13] enable the "dapper-proposed" repository [15:13] so i enable it like this [15:13] # [15:13] enable the "dapper-proposed" repository [15:14] deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-proposed main restricted [15:14] is it correct? [15:14] <_ruben> guess so [15:14] <_ruben> looks ok atleast [15:15] hmm [15:17] maybe need to include universe n multiverse also ? [15:18] <_ruben> doubt that, i'd expect the upgrade tools to be in main [15:20] the weird this is u cant seem to install update-manager-core [15:22] <_ruben> i think i have a virtual 6.06 install somewhere, forgot on which server tho :/ [15:22] this is my sources.list file [15:22] http://pastebin.com/d3343aa76 [15:22] is there an error somewhere? [15:23] <_ruben> looks ok at first sight, sudo apt-get update doesnt show anything odd ? [15:23] nope [15:24] <_ruben> then the sources.list should be ok [15:26] <_ruben> hmm ..packages.ubuntu.com seems to be down [15:27] <_ruben> when browsing the dapper-proposed files i dont see any update related stuff either.. wouldnt know where to go from there [15:28] lilsyko: as Folke pointed out 8.04 is currently in beta test. It has not been released yet. It is not advisable to install the current version on a production server. As _ruben pointed out, you will have troubles. [15:28] heh [15:28] <_ruben> wtf .. im seeing unicode stuff or smth [15:28] yeah me too [15:28] lots of \ufeff [15:29] <_ruben> hmm .. irssi on linux shows em fine, irssi on windows doesnt [15:29] irssi on freebsd doesn't like it [15:29] <_ruben> gotta love irssi's proxy [15:29] <_ruben> guess the windows version isnt too keen on unicode ..lets check settings [15:30] <_ruben> or perhaps its the irssi proxy that messes things up .. oh well [15:32] _ruben: you are using irssi on windows? or just ssh with putty to an linux machine running irssi? [15:33] <_ruben> henkjan: irssi on windows connecting to an irssi on ubuntu [15:33] <_ruben> nasty setup, i know :) [15:33] :) [15:33] <_ruben> linux one's running in a screen with irssi proxy enabled [15:35] yeah i think i'm gonna abandon the project of goin for 8.04 [15:35] maybe i'll stick with 7.10 [15:36] lilsyko: ... or just wait untill the release planned at the end of the month. [15:53] sweet [16:32] * delcoyote hi [16:44] guys [16:44] will JeOS work on a physical system ? [16:44] instead of a VMWARE server? [16:45] I dont think so but I have never tried it [16:45] lilsyko: no it will not [16:45] hmmm k [16:46] just tot it may work [16:46] lilsyko: it is meant to work only with vmware server, ESX (and KVM in 8.04) [16:46] lilsyko: we have stripped the kernel clean of all unecessary drivers, so it should not [16:47] but JeOS is quite slow to install in a vmware session. [16:47] lilsyko: you can do a minimal iso install instead [16:47] i'm installing 1 right now [16:47] but it stoped at the screen 'select and install software' [16:47] lilsyko: try ubuntu-vm-builder on 8.04. [16:47] 90% [16:48] lilsyko: the mini iso is stuck? [16:48] lilsyko: which version? [16:48] JeOS [16:48] jeos-8.04-beta-jeos-i386.iso [16:49] lilsyko: on real hw? surprised you got so far [16:49] nope [16:49] on VMware server 1.0.4 on gOS [16:49] lilsyko: plus there is a (transitinal) problem today with the repositories for hardy, so installs will fail anyway [16:50] damn [16:50] looks like i have to download a new iso [16:50] but i didnt download the beta iso [16:51] sorry [16:51] i didnt download the daily iso, i downloaded the beta iso [16:51] lilsyko: the issue is not with the iso, but with the repository [16:51] ok [16:51] lilsyko: so keep your iso and wait til tomorrow [16:51] lilsyko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/215618 [16:51] Launchpad bug 215618 in ubuntu-jeos "Grub installation fails on JeOS Hardy on KVM Hardy" [Undecided,Fix released] [16:52] hmmm so [16:52] JeOS downloads the packages from the repo as it installs? [16:52] intresting [16:54] lilsyko: no, it updates them [16:55] lilsyko: the ones that needs to, that is [16:55] ok [16:55] i mean can i do an offline intallation ? [16:56] lilsyko: the objective is to provide the user with a secure system at first boot, but yes, an offline install should work today [16:56] ok [16:56] is the kernel compiled specifically for vmware? [16:57] is vmware-tools installed into jeos by default? [16:57] lilsyko: yes (and kvm), it is named -virtual for that reason [16:57] lilsyko: no, because there is one version of vm-tools per vmware type (and version) [16:57] and we don't need it for kvm [16:57] ok [16:59] lilsyko: there is an open-vm-tools version in the hardy repo, but it is not supported officially by vm-ware and does not provide all functionalities yet [16:59] k [16:59] i wanna transission frm gentoo to JeOS [16:59] thats why i'm intrested to get it working on vmware [17:00] lilsyko: sure, sounds like a good plan [17:01] Hello [17:02] I'm using Hardy server and I'm having a problem with RAM being cached and not released. I ran the same services on a slower machine with Dapper LTS and did not experience this problem. I can give more specifics about services running and hardware, if anyone is interested. [17:05] MatthewMetzger: do you have steps to reproduce your issue, or does it involve some sensitive code/data? [17:06] MatthewMetzger: hi, i'd like to hear more about your issue [17:06] nijaba: no sensitive code or data. I'm running all services off of packages installed from ubuntu's repositories. [17:06] The only change in services is that I'm now running webdav extension of apache. [17:06] I'm running squid and squidGuard, which are known to have memory issues [17:07] * nijaba letting kirkland dive into this [17:07] but I didn't have memory issues on Dapper LTS [17:07] MatthewMetzger: i386? amd64? same on both? [17:08] MatthewMetzger: how do you know that RAM is cached and not released ? [17:08] i386 (Mac mini Intel hardware) [17:08] mathiaz: I'm watching it with "free -m" [17:09] I also run "ps aux" and see that very little is actually actively being used by applications. [17:09] yay~ i managed to upgrade my 6.06LTS to 8.04beta [17:09] with no issues so far [17:09] MatthewMetzger: how much total memory? [17:09] 1 GB [17:10] MatthewMetzger: can you paste the output of "free" ? [17:10] sure [17:11] total used free shared buffers cached [17:11] Mem: 979 951 28 0 81 789 [17:11] -/+ buffers/cache: 80 899 [17:11] Swap: 2870 25 2845 [17:11] lilsyko: other than all the issues you had trying to do the upgrade? what was the problem in the end? [17:11] I have run "sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" to clear the caches (I know it is not recommended) [17:12] only had a few issues before the upgrade [17:12] it could locate the upgrade [17:12] so what i did was removed update-manager-core [17:13] del /var/lib/update-manager [17:13] enable update-proposed in sources.list [17:13] MatthewMetzger: you wouldn't happen to have a similar dump of "free" from dapper, huh? [17:13] After restarting the machine or clearing the RAM cache, free shows that the cache slowly builds up after a period of 8 hours or so. [17:14] enable also multiverse & universe for dapper-proposed [17:14] kirkland: not with the same services. no. [17:14] heh, quite a few steps then [17:14] then reinstall update-manager-core [17:14] then off you go [17:14] hehe [17:14] i wont be upgrading my 6.06lts then [17:14] although it should be out of commission by that time [17:15] by the time 6.06 is no longer supported, that is [17:15] Deeps: I had to use Hardy instead of Dapper LTS because I was moving to Mac mini hardware [17:15] MatthewMetzger: um, ok? [17:15] sorry, crossed conversations, maybe :) [17:16] i think so! [17:16] :) [17:17] I think my problem may be related to squid, but I'm not sure how to isolate it to make sure. [17:17] And, like I said, it ran fine with the same configuration on Dapper [17:18] I suppose I could set up another machine with Hardy, set up squid with the same configuration and see if it has the same memory issues. That would be a lot of work, though. [17:18] MatthewMetzger: can you just turn off squid? [17:18] hmmm so far my hardy is good [17:18] MatthewMetzger: /etc/init.d/squid stop [17:18] will test it out a while and let u guys know k [17:18] btw this is a heavyly used production email relay server [17:18] kirkland: I can turn it off for testing, of course, but it is a necessary service. [17:19] relaying about 1000+ mails a day [17:19] :P [17:19] lilsyko: postfix, no dovecot? [17:19] MatthewMetzger: sure, i just meant to isolate it [17:19] MatthewMetzger: perhaps turn it off for one boot, reboot [17:19] MatthewMetzger: give it a fixed amount of time [17:19] MatthewMetzger: 10 minutes? 30 minutes? 60 Minutes? [17:20] MatthewMetzger: do the same with a fresh boot with/without squid [17:20] I can't turn it off right now as people are actively using the proxy as we speak, but I can test it over the weekend perhaps. I can maybe do it this evening. [17:20] MatthewMetzger: measure "free" at regular intervalas [17:20] intervals [17:20] Thanks kirkland [17:20] MatthewMetzger: one more question.... [17:21] MatthewMetzger: is the high cache usage causing noticeable performance problems, or are you just a memory tuning "nut"? :-) [17:21] postfix only [17:21] lilsyko: thanks [17:21] kirkland: :) It's causing problems. Squid stopped on its own because it ran out of memory. I had to restart it. Then later, the whole machine became unresponsive and had to be rebooted. [17:22] MatthewMetzger: arg, that is bad [17:22] MatthewMetzger: how much disk cache have you given Squid? [17:22] Very different performance than from Dapper. [17:23] very little, as I'm mainly using squidGuard as a proxy filter and don't really care about the cache. I think it is actually only 1 MB. [17:23] MatthewMetzger: i'm going to install Hardy and Dapper + squid in a pair of VM's right now [17:24] MatthewMetzger: will you be around a bit, such that I can duplicate your configuration reasonably? [17:24] kirkland: I have to do lunch and will be gone for an hour or so after. I can hover on the channel a bit later today. [17:24] by the way: cache_mem 1 MB [17:25] MatthewMetzger: in any case, could you open a bug in Launchpad against squid? [17:25] from the squid.conf [17:25] MatthewMetzger: subscribe me to it (kirkland@canonical.com) [17:25] MatthewMetzger: and we can communicate that way if you're not in IRC [17:25] kirkland: I haven't opened a bug before, but it'd be a great learning experience for me. I'll try to do it later this afternoon :) [17:26] MatthewMetzger: thats fine, ping me here if you need help opening the bug [17:26] At this point, I'm just guessing it's squid. [17:27] MatthewMetzger: go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/squid/ and click on 'report a bug' [17:27] thanks nijaba. I'll be back later. [17:31] Hey ive just set up ubuntu server on a new system, but strangely i cant get it to connect to my local network [17:32] it has 2, gigabit lan connectors, but neither seem to connect [17:33] ive tried turning off one of the lan connectors in the bios, but that didnt help [17:35] is there an automated way i can try connecting it, ive set up the /etc/network/interfaces file identical (cept for its ip) to another ubuntu server i have running, and it connects the other server fine [17:45] chimp: does 'sudo ifconfig' show a network address set? [17:45] chimp: and I have to ask this :) If you have a dual nic, are you plugged in to the right port? [17:46] * dthacker-work wouldn't ask if he hadn't made the mistake himself...... [17:52] argh [17:53] dthacker-work: for sudo ifconfig, using both ports it shows inet addr as the one i set statically [17:53] if i set dhcp, then it tries a few times, then says no offers received [17:53] this is trying on both ports [17:54] Its a gigabit ethernet port, but the router its connect to is only 100mbit, could this cause the problem? [17:54] And is there any other config files for networking other than /etc/network/interfaces that i should worry about [17:54] chimp_: does ifconfig show packets being received and sent? If so, can you ping the device you are connected to? [17:55] pinging the router does nthing, and it doesnt receive packets me things, it has many dropped packets [17:55] chimp_: can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces? [17:56] hard to do considering its not connected to the net :P [17:56] Any specifc part that would be interesting? [17:56] ummmm yeah [17:57] what's your server ip address and router ip address? [17:58] inet addr: 192.168.1.42 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 [17:59] that's the server, right? [17:59] yep [18:00] the router is on 192.168.254 [18:00] Its really odd as i said, another ubuntu server is connect absolutely fine [18:00] what's your default route? [18:02] chimp_: do you have a gateway set? [18:02] 192.168.1.254 [18:02] is it showing up in netstat -rn? [18:03] never done that before [18:03] it gives 2 sets [18:03] look for the one that starts with 0.0.0.0 [18:04] 0.0.0.0 10.0.35.250 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 [18:04] that's mine [18:04] 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.254 0.0.0.0 ug 0 0 0 eth0 [18:04] thats the second one [18:04] looks good [18:04] the first one has destination of 192.168.1.0 [18:05] we could look at the link [18:05] 'sudo ethtool eth0' or whatever number you are working with [18:06] ahh [18:07] it says its speed is 1000Mb/s [18:07] it shouldnt be [18:07] the router cant handle gigabit [18:08] that might be it, but most newer cards auto-negotiate. [18:08] erm wtf [18:08] its working now [18:08] \o/ [18:08] found out why [18:09] .....and? [18:09] my housemate just plugged it all into a gigabit swithc [18:09] so it really didnt like being plugged into 100mbit [18:10] hehe. cool, glad you found the trouble. [18:11] lucky we had some gigabit stuff lieing around [18:14] How does ubuntu server compare to other linux servers, btw? [18:16] the differences are support and software updates [18:16] is the same kernel and same server programs [18:20] (more or less) [18:20] We do put some effort into integration of said applications. [18:24]