[13:59] <apachelogger> stdin: I came to the decision that we should conflict/replace the kde4base* stuff in kdelibs5 instead of adding it to all kdebase packages
[13:59] <apachelogger> also less work to maintain
[13:59] <stdin> probably easier
[13:59] <stdin> s/probably//
[14:00] <apachelogger> stdin: wanna prepare a debdiff?
[14:00] <apachelogger> I have a patch that should go into hardy as well
[14:00] <apachelogger> though, ExceptionRiddell is not here ;-)
[14:01] <stdin> kk
[14:16] <stdin> I may as well set it to conflict/replace all the old kde4* packages
[14:26] <stdin> apachelogger: should I just conflict with them, or conflicts + replaces? not sure
[14:27] <apachelogger> stdin: conflicts and replaces
[14:29] <mhb> the evil flamerino strikes again!
[14:30] <theunixgeek> any *curses programmers here?
[14:31] <stdin> apachelogger: http://stdin.me.uk/diffs/kde4libs.debdiff should do it
[14:33] <apachelogger> awesome
[14:33] <apachelogger> stdin: please attach it to the bug report
[14:33]  * stdin clicks send
[14:33]  * apachelogger gives stdin a cookie
[14:34] <mhb> hi folks
[14:34] <apachelogger> hoy mhb
[14:38] <mhb> apachelogger: how's your amarok adventures?
[14:39] <apachelogger> mhb: BAU, fixing ubuntu b0rkage
[14:39]  * apachelogger runs a stress test with an improved xine pulesaudio plugin
[14:42] <stdin> and by "runs a stress test" you mead "plays his favourite music over and over"? :p
[14:43] <apachelogger> stdin: playing ska, with equalizer, while listening to muted moby in banshee, while watching a very silent queerduck in kaffeine while starting the gnome sound test randomly
[14:43] <apachelogger> that test sound is quite annoying though
[14:44] <stdin> I hope you don't turn it up too loud, your neighbours will think you're murdering small animals
[14:45] <apachelogger> <-- using a headphone :D
[14:45] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: You must sound like my neighbour right now....
[14:46] <apachelogger> looks lol
[14:46] <crimsun> that plugin was only fixed fairly recently
[14:46]  * apachelogger is wondering how something can look lol anyway
[14:47] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot97.png
[14:47] <apachelogger> crimsun: but it's working apparently
[14:47] <crimsun> apachelogger: ping siretart if you want to get it in
[14:47] <crimsun> we're using esd instead of the broken pulse version currently in there
[14:48] <apachelogger> yeah, when I finished testing I'll create the debdiff
[14:49] <apachelogger> crimsun: the problem with esd is that it can't be supplied in the default plugins and therefore is unaccessible by default in amarok
[14:50]  * apachelogger also notes that last.fm skipping works for him
[14:50] <apachelogger> I have really no idea why it fails for some people
[14:53] <crimsun> apachelogger: you'd ship xineplug_ao_out_pulse* in libxine1-bin, or...?
[14:53] <apachelogger> crimsun: -misc-plugins
[14:53] <crimsun> ugh
[14:54] <apachelogger> crashev: all default output plugins are in -misc-plugins apparently
[14:54] <apachelogger> besides, it was that way before pulse got kicked from the package
[14:54] <crimsun> yes
[14:55] <crimsun> it's just a shame we didn't kick esd into there, too.
[14:59] <apachelogger> crimsun: then KDE would by default depend on esd wouldn't it?
[14:59] <apachelogger> libesd at least
[15:04] <crimsun> yes
[15:04] <crimsun> libesd-alsa0, rather, but yes.
[17:16] <yuriy> smarter: ping
[18:30] <apachelogger> pling
[18:35] <apachelogger> jpatrick: pling
[18:35]  * apachelogger really needs more sleep
[19:02] <snikker> i've got a problem with KsCd. it tell me thst i've no permission to read cd... (same thing with sudo)
[20:17] <ryanakca> snikker: #kubuntu is your best bet
[20:25] <snikker> ryanakca: i've tryed also in #kubuntu, but with no answer... now i try again
[21:04] <eagles0513875> i found two rather nasty bugs right now should i just file a bug reports on each
[21:19] <eagles0513875> u guys have any fixes that need testing
[21:24] <yuriy> eagles0513875: yes file bugs. search if they're already filed first
[21:25] <yuriy> eagles0513875: as far as fixes to test. what locale are you using?
[21:25] <eagles0513875> yuriy: ones seems to be fixed im using the 64bit version of hardy
[21:25] <eagles0513875> beta
[21:26] <yuriy> locale as in, are you using english (en_US) or a translation?
[21:26] <eagles0513875> en_us
[21:26] <yuriy> oh, nvm then
[21:27] <eagles0513875> thing is im not very versed in programming except in java right now
[21:28] <eagles0513875> yuriy: i have a question for ya before i file this bug for some reason i havent been on here in bout 2 days and this problem happened to me as well when i booted the live cd. i was unable to get an ip address even tonight. for me to be able to get an ip address i have to reset my modem and switch. on my windows based machine i dont have to do that once every few months
[21:31] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: u in here
[21:31] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: daily live?
[21:32] <eagles0513875> ?
[21:36] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/216491
[21:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216491 in ubuntu "problems getting an ip address" [Undecided,New]
[21:37] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: thats the link to my bug i just filed
[21:37] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: are you using the dailyl live cd?
[21:37] <eagles0513875> no
[21:37] <eagles0513875> i have installed the os on my hard drive and ive been downloading the updated pkgs
[21:40] <apachelogger> hm
[21:40] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: honestly I think the issue is within the switch/modem rather than the network stack
[21:42] <eagles0513875> thing is its only this computer that has the issue
[21:42] <eagles0513875> wait i take that back im starting to think u might be right
[21:43] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: can u close the bug for me
[21:44] <yuriy> eagles0513875: you can close the bug yourself. click on the little arrow
[21:45] <eagles0513875> gotcha thanks yuriy
[22:05] <smarter> yuriy: pong
[22:12] <apachelogger> woah
[22:12]  * apachelogger is reinstalling his workstation
[22:12] <apachelogger> that was some jumper fun here ... I really should leave the dvd drive in the machine
[22:12] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: u get shocked
[22:13]  * apachelogger is uber professional and never gets shocked
[22:13] <apachelogger> anyway
[22:13] <apachelogger> does anyone know how to get a package in universe?
[22:14] <eagles0513875> lol im the last person to get anything in universe lol
[22:14] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i think u need to find someone whose an motu
[22:15]  * apachelogger is a uber unprofessional motu who doesn't know such stuff
[22:15] <eagles0513875> then if ur an motu u should be able to do it
[22:15] <eagles0513875> should u not
[22:15] <apachelogger> maybe I am, I just don't know how
[22:15] <eagles0513875> lol ahhh gotcha im not sure
[22:16] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: Riddell might know
[22:16] <apachelogger> yeah, but he is out for the weekend
[22:16] <apachelogger> oh
[22:16] <apachelogger> that bug seems fixed anyway
[22:17] <apachelogger> so it probably gets autodecided
[22:17] <yuriy> smarter: i'm working on bug 82723
[22:17] <apachelogger> just like I assumed
[22:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 82723 in kde-guidance "wineconfig doesn't work" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82723
[22:17] <yuriy> smarter: i was wondering if you could test a fix
[22:18] <eagles0513875> ill test if u guys want
[22:19] <yuriy> eagles0513875: i think the bug is only on non-english setups
[22:20] <eagles0513875> yuriy: gotcha
[22:20] <apachelogger> hm
[22:20] <apachelogger> smarter: wanna do some work? ;-)
[22:20] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i would if i wasnt getting ready for exams as well as knew more programming
[22:21] <apachelogger> well, it's not exactly coding, but getting into ubuntu sponsoring stuff and feature freeze exception stuff
[22:21] <smarter> apachelogger: maybe, what sort of work?
[22:22] <apachelogger> bug #60898 needs a debdiff including the upstream fix, and a final freeze exception
[22:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 60898 in konversation "Konversation Crashes on DCC Chat" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60898
[22:23] <smarter> yuriy: I've just tested .wine directory creation again and it still doesn't work but It gives me different error messages
[22:23] <yuriy> .wine directory creation?
[22:23]  * yuriy hasn't heard of this bug yet
[22:24] <eagles0513875> isnt that in reference to wine installation and the hidden directory it creates
[22:25] <smarter> http://pastebin.com/m3c21030e
[22:25] <yuriy> smarter: i'm talking about the KeyError: u'Bureau' error. i think i fixed it so if you still get that error i need you to test if the version in svn fixes it
[22:25] <smarter> yuriy: I don't get this error anymore
[22:26] <yuriy> smarter: i think that's basically the same thing though
[22:26] <yuriy> smarter: could you test the version in svn at svn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/extragear/kde3/utils/guidance/wineconfig
[22:26] <smarter> yuriy: Let's test your fix then ;)
[22:29] <smarter> yuriy: I don't get less or more errors, but this seems to be related to wine, when I just run wine I get: "preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000
[22:29] <smarter> yuriy: I don't get less or more errors, but this seems to be related to wine, when I just run wine I get: "preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000"
[22:31] <yuriy> smarter: the preloader error is a wine bug 114025, i'm concerned about the python errors
[22:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114025 in wine "Problem with wine preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114025
[22:33] <smarter> strange
[22:33] <yuriy> and that the fix doesn't break translations
[22:33] <smarter> If I run wineconfig from systemsettings, no problem
[22:33] <smarter> If I run it standalone, python error
[22:33] <smarter> I I run your version, no problem
[22:34] <smarter> and I still have the translations
[22:34] <yuriy> smarter: translations in the lower combo box on the appearance page?
[22:36] <smarter> yuriy: everything is translated
[22:37] <yuriy> smarter: great, thanks
[22:40] <smarter> apachelogger: I'll do it tomorrow
[22:40] <smarter> my first FF exception :p
[22:41] <apachelogger> nice :D
[22:41] <apachelogger> smarter: please assing yourself to the bug
[22:41] <smarter> ok
[22:41]  * apachelogger logs into his newly installed hardy
[22:42] <apachelogger> I actually never saw a hardy KDE 3 :P
[22:42] <eagles0513875> lol
[22:43] <smarter> "You are not the bug assignee nor the maintainer of konversation (Ubuntu), and therefore cannot edit this bug's status."
[22:43] <apachelogger> hm, could be worse considering I didn't help polishing it ;-)
[22:43] <apachelogger> smarter: I'll assign you
[22:43] <smarter> thanks
[22:43] <eagles0513875> ill help with bugs but i need a mentor
[22:44] <apachelogger> done
[22:44] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: just use all in here as mentors
[22:44] <eagles0513875> :)
[22:44] <eagles0513875> need to find myself a simple bug
[22:44] <apachelogger> also the ubuntu wiki is a fairly good resource for information
[22:45] <eagles0513875> thing is i know no c++ or python what so ever
[22:46] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you can do packaging
[22:46] <apachelogger> bug triaging
[22:46] <apachelogger> that sort of stuff
[22:46] <apachelogger> s/sort/kind
[22:47] <eagles0513875> ok what to pkg now lol
[22:48] <apachelogger> currently nothing :P
[22:48] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you could start by going through the kde related bugs on launchpad
[22:48] <eagles0513875> ok and trying to fix a bug
[22:51] <smarter> apachelogger: I've the debdiff ready, I'll do the FFe thing tomorrow
[22:52] <apachelogger> smarter: cool
[22:53] <smarter> apachelogger: You can try it in my PPA when it will be compiled: http://ppa.launchpad.net/~smarter
[22:56] <smarter> * http://ppa.launchpad.net/smarter/
[22:56] <eagles0513875> bah
[22:56] <eagles0513875> i cant find a bug to take a stab at
[22:58] <apachelogger> yuriy: can you drop eagles0513875 an easy bug when you stumble upon one please?
[22:59] <eagles0513875> thanks guys
[22:59] <eagles0513875> think i might have found something
[23:00] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/sed/+bug/10364
[23:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 10364 in sed "sed: documentation is non-free" [High,Invalid]
[23:00] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: it's invalid for ubuntu
[23:01] <eagles0513875> ok
[23:03] <smarter> 'night everybody
[23:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: pling
[23:05] <eagles0513875> smarter: night
[23:08] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: doesnt seem like my night tonight
[23:08]  * apachelogger doesn't like tonight because it is night
[23:08] <apachelogger> oh
[23:09] <apachelogger> 12 hours up again
[23:09] <apachelogger> oh
[23:09] <apachelogger> uh
[23:09] <apachelogger> there is some issue
[23:09] <apachelogger> kde3 vs kde4
[23:10] <eagles0513875> ?
[23:10] <apachelogger> kdebase-bin-kde3 gets removed when installing kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:11] <apachelogger> oha
[23:11] <apachelogger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/kdebase-bin
[23:11] <apachelogger> that first dependency is soooo not correct
[23:12] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: there you have your bug
[23:12] <apachelogger> if you want it...
[23:12] <eagles0513875> ok whats the launchpad bug link
[23:12] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you will have to search for it
[23:12] <apachelogger> I just noticed this on my machine :P
[23:13] <eagles0513875> lol
[23:13] <eagles0513875> O_o this should be fun considering im falling asleep infront of my comp
[23:13] <apachelogger> I managed to triage bugs for 12 hours without falling asleep :P
[23:14] <eagles0513875> lol
[23:14] <eagles0513875> as soon as my mother gets up here im never goign to hear the end of it lol
[23:14] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: so inregards to what u just found i need to get a hold of the source and go through that
[23:14] <eagles0513875> and also find ur bug report
[23:14] <apachelogger> yep
[23:15] <apachelogger> apt-get source kdebase
[23:15] <apachelogger> will fetch the source package
[23:15] <apachelogger> and unpack it
[23:15] <apachelogger> then you need to edit debian/control
[23:15] <apachelogger> add a new changelog entry
[23:15] <apachelogger> create a new source package
[23:15] <eagles0513875> will u be on in the morning
[23:16] <apachelogger> create debdiff of the old package revision to the new package revision
[23:16] <apachelogger> attach the debdiff to the bug report
[23:16] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: depends on the definition of in the mornging ;-)
[23:16] <eagles0513875> im in europe lol 1215 sunday morning lol
[23:16] <apachelogger> oh
[23:16] <eagles0513875> so when i wake up in bout 8 9 hrs time
[23:16] <apachelogger> haha, I might still be up then :P
[23:17] <apachelogger> anyway
[23:17] <eagles0513875> lol
[23:17] <apachelogger> that really depends on when I get to bed today
[23:17] <apachelogger> but I am probably only in the evening
[23:17] <eagles0513875> there is no bug in regards to what u just found
[23:17] <apachelogger> have to visit some relatives tomorrow afternoon
[23:17] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: I'll report one ;-)
[23:17] <apachelogger> btw
[23:18] <apachelogger> all you need to know to fix this bug is somewhere on wiki.ubuntu.com
[23:18] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i noticed u reported some stuff u want pkged ill help u out with pkging them
[23:18] <apachelogger> searching for packagingguide should explain how to add a new changelog entry, create a source package, what all the lines in debian/control mean
[23:18] <apachelogger> and searching for debdiff should explain how to create such a thingy
[23:18] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: yeah, but after hardy release ;-)
[23:19] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ok ahhh gotcha lets say its somethign like this which is probably for ubuntu
[23:19] <eagles0513875> would it matter if its pkged on kubuntu or it has to be on ubuntu only
[23:19] <apachelogger> haha, I think it's months ago that I last reported a bug :P
[23:19] <eagles0513875> lol
[23:19] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: kubuntu = ubuntu
[23:19] <apachelogger> it's the very same archive
[23:20] <apachelogger> the very same base
[23:20] <eagles0513875> ok so if they r gnome pkgs or kde pkgs doesnt matter right
[23:20] <apachelogger> the only difference is that we pack different apps on our cd :P
[23:20] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: nope
[23:20] <eagles0513875> ok
[23:21] <eagles0513875> if ur not up for filing a bug report ill see how much i remember about the bug when i wake up lol
[23:21] <eagles0513875> u in the kubuntu channel by any chance
[23:22] <eagles0513875> this is funny this noob is asking centos related questions in a no centos related channel lol
[23:23] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: let me see if i got this bug right there is an issue with a wrong dependency in kde4 using a kde3 dependency
[23:24] <apachelogger> other way round
[23:24] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: bug #216529
[23:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216529
[23:25] <apachelogger> I even gave you a generic example on how to fix it :P
[23:25] <eagles0513875> ok
[23:25] <eagles0513875> i found this dependency issue
[23:25] <eagles0513875> if u click on the kde3 bin that first dependency under it is a kde4 dependency
[23:26] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: it's not the order
[23:26] <apachelogger> it's the either X or Y dependency in general
[23:26] <apachelogger> it says
[23:26] <apachelogger> -bin either requires -bin-kde3
[23:26] <eagles0513875> ok
[23:26] <apachelogger> or -runtime-bin-kde4
[23:26] <apachelogger> so when you have KDE 3 installed
[23:26] <apachelogger> then install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:27] <apachelogger> it will install -runtime-bin-kde4 since it is a dependency of kde4
[23:27] <apachelogger> therefore -bin-kde3 will be removed since -bin from kde 3 can live with -runtime-bin-kde4 as well according to the current packaging
[23:27] <apachelogger> which is wrong
[23:27] <apachelogger> -bin _needs_ -bin-kde3
[23:27] <apachelogger> because -kde4 uses different paths
[23:27] <eagles0513875> so basically the bin needs to get removed as well
[23:29] <eagles0513875> hey dude im out for the night thanks for helping get into the world of debugging linux
[23:29] <eagles0513875> and all the inner workings of kubuntu
[23:29] <apachelogger> yw
[23:30] <eagles0513875> see u in the am dude
[23:30] <apachelogger> cya
[23:30] <eagles0513875> lol going to end up multitasking debugging this bug and revising for my java exam now in may lol
[23:32] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: before i log can u take a look at this bug and maybe give me some possible causes as to what could be causing this hang when u get a chance plz and ty
[23:32] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/209805
[23:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209805 in ubuntu "kubuntu hardy x64 alternate hangs after install" [Undecided,New]
[23:34] <apachelogger> you probably need some noapic boot arguments
[23:34] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: tried still seems to hang i installed using the alt cd
[23:34] <eagles0513875> on the normal cd it hangs when formatting partitions as
[23:35] <eagles0513875> im wondering if there is an issue when dealing with sata devices
[23:35] <eagles0513875> or my hardware is just way to new
[23:35] <apachelogger> probably latter
[23:36] <eagles0513875> oh well one linux box is enough for now lol
[23:36] <eagles0513875> come summer im going to be in heaven lol
[23:42] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/216534
[23:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216534 in ubuntu "boinc doesnt display data sets in tasks tab" [Undecided,New]
[23:43] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: please report the bugs against the appropriate package
[23:43] <apachelogger> it only causes uncecessary triage work if you don't do that
[23:43] <eagles0513875> ok was going to assign it to myself
[23:44] <apachelogger> then it's still not linked to a package
[23:44] <apachelogger> anyway
[23:44] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: I actually think you have to configure something
[23:44] <eagles0513875> i have the client and manager im goign to check out what version they have and see if i compile from source it changes anything
[23:46] <eagles0513875> anyway now im really off
[23:46] <eagles0513875> night
[23:46] <apachelogger> nini