[00:00] <Cannon> slow internet?
[00:00] <damien__> No
[00:00] <Cannon> or slow pc?
[00:00] <monkeybritches_> October was at least six months ago. Or so I've heard.
[00:00] <damien__> It's just unpacking a whole bunch
[00:00] <VousDeux> plus, I've done so many customizations to the display settings and I'm not sure I can even remember everything I have done
[00:00] <damien__> Like over and over
[00:01] <Cannon> it won;'t remove your changes VousDeux
[00:01] <damien__> I guess it's like different programs or something
[00:01] <Cannon> a full update when first installing kubuntu takes me about 20 mins for dl and installation
[00:02] <damien__> Ah
[00:02] <damien__> Well it hasn't been 20 minutes yet, and I'm on a wireless connection
[00:02] <VousDeux> not even with compiz, emerald and maybe some other third-party stuff?
[00:02] <Cannon> update rarely remove functionality VousDeux, lol
[00:02] <VousDeux> cool
[00:03] <Cannon> almost time for pizza and a movie :P
[00:03] <VousDeux> I've been so busy for the past several months, I can't believe how foreign this all seems now
[00:04] <Cannon> heh
[00:04] <damien__> Hello?
[00:04] <damien__> Hm
[00:04] <Cannon> put yourself in my shoes! lol
[00:04] <damien__> It reset my internet or something
[00:04] <Cannon> lol, you was here all along damien__
[00:05] <VousDeux> I know nvidia usually gives me trouble after an upgrade...what is that config tool with the blue background that gets launched from the command-centric environment?
[00:05] <Cannon> no idea
[00:05] <damien__> Hm
[00:05] <Cannon> i haven't got round to setting up my second monitor yet :(
[00:05] <damien__> That thing reset my internet or something.
[00:06] <Cannon> which is a shame as I wanna watch movies on the big TV!
[00:06] <VousDeux> the one where you can configure the video, monitor, keyboard, and mouse if you cannot get the gui to work
[00:06] <damien__> Woo, it finished.
[00:06] <Cannon> yep, that 20 mins was a conservative estimate ;)
[00:06] <damien__> Hopefully Pidgin works now.
[00:07] <damien__> Also, I have 2 scrollers on my mouse, one is regular and one is inverted, how do I get the inverted one to work?
[00:07] <Cannon> i hate pidgin
[00:07] <damien__> Uh
[00:08] <damien__> When installing pidgin
[00:08] <damien__> It still says some packages are corrupt or something
[00:08] <damien__> Help :o
[00:08] <Cannon> you could try kopete
[00:08] <Cannon> that works better anyways imo
[00:08] <damien__> That came with this, but it would get an error when I tried to connect to MSN
[00:08] <damien__> so I uninstalled it
[00:09] <damien__> But I'll try again
[00:09] <VousDeux> oh yeah...it has something to do with xorg.conf
[00:09] <damien__> Same error :|
[00:09] <damien__> "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[00:10] <damien__> It's happening whenever I try to install anything
[00:10] <damien__> :|
[00:10] <damien__> Any idea what's wrong?
[00:12] <Cannon> SCARY, i just opened up root and it didn't ask for a password! :O
[00:12] <Cannon> i get that with adept
[00:12] <damien__> Help me :(
[00:12] <Cannon> try again with synaptic
[00:12] <Cannon> ~ damien__
[00:12] <Cannon> let me know how it goes
[00:12] <damien__> I don't have synaptic
[00:12] <Cannon> lol, dl it then
[00:13] <Cannon> search in adept for it
[00:13] <damien__> Anytime I try to install anything from adept, I get that error >_>
[00:13] <VousDeux> does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg look to anyone like it might be what I was talking about?
[00:13] <Cannon> synaptic ;)
[00:13] <damien__> But I don't have synaptic...
[00:13] <damien__> >_>
[00:13] <Cannon> lol, dl it!
[00:14] <Cannon> search for it in adept m8
[00:14] <sourcemaker> vbox has crashed my windows 2003 installation
[00:14] <damien__> How am I going to DL it in adept whenever I try to DL something in adept it gives me that error?!
[00:14] <Cannon> ah, sorry! lol
[00:14] <sourcemaker> any help? vbox is starting... bluescreen... restart... and again
[00:14] <damien__> :P
[00:14] <Cannon> you will need to use the terminal
[00:14] <Cannon> but I dunno the command
[00:14] <Cannon> am not too familiar iwth it yet m8
[00:14] <damien__> oh god :| I hate terminal
[00:14] <Cannon> lol
[00:16] <VousDeux> hey, that is it :)
[00:16] <Cannon> sudo apt-get install synaptic @ damien__ ... not get on your knees!
[00:16] <Cannon> lol
[00:16] <Cannon> http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Synaptic
[00:19] <stond> Can anybody tell me why every time I try to cinvert video to a format to watch on my Sony PSP it tells me  Unknown codec 'aac'
[00:19] <Cannon> working damien__?
[00:19] <Cannon> the normal lan address for most peeps is 192.168.0.0 so why is mine 192.168.1.66? lol
[00:21] <damien__> cannon: I found a solution on ubuntuforums.org, trying it now
[00:21] <damien__> cannon: it didn't work :|
[00:21] <Cannon> it didn't install with the bash command I gave ya?
[00:22] <Cannon> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[00:22] <damien__> Didn't see that, trying it now
[00:22] <damien__> my keyboard sounds louder for some reason O_o
[00:22] <maritza> ,,,,,
[00:23] <Cannon> lol
[00:24] <damien__> It installed it :D
[00:24] <VousDeux> it seems like I remember having some trouble with some missing libraries or something after upgrading the kernel that kept me from getting the nVidia driver going...hmmm
[00:24] <will00> where do i place files so that dekorator can find them?
[00:25] <VousDeux> ahh...linux-restricted-modules looks familiar
[00:26] <damien__> WOOT
[00:26] <Dr_willis> dekorator is that kde theme? I never did get it going. :)
[00:26] <damien__> Thanks Cannon, it worked perfectly
[00:26] <Cannon> lol, it was the 3rd time I gave it ya!
[00:26] <Dr_willis> I would say check the dekorator homepage.  I imagine theres a system wide dir it uses, and the user can proberly have his own.
[00:26] <will00> ok
[00:26] <VousDeux> I'm just thinking "out loud" trying to recall anything that might give me trouble when I do the update
[00:27] <Cannon> i think linux is gonna teach loads of kids how not to spell! lol
[00:27] <monkeybritches_> You can blame mobile phones for that
[00:28] <Dr_willis> I think windows is gonna teach loads of people how to not 'think' :)
[00:28] <Dr_willis> oh wait  - it allready has.
[00:28] <acme64> ll errors on the upgradeim gettung alot of could not instak
[00:28] <VousDeux> well, it looks like my battery is getting low...I'd better head for the power plug soon
[00:28] <acme64> wow
[00:28] <acme64> *Im getting alot of cannot upgrade errors
[00:31] <acme64> so hows kde4
[00:31] <acme64> stable?
[00:32] <Cannon> i've had enough of these damn ip issues for tonight!
[00:35] <VousDeux> well, I wonder why KNetworkManager didn't switch to my wired interface when I plugged it in
[00:39] <EDinNY> can anyone help me figure out how to get audacity to record what is supposed to come out of my speakers?
[00:39] <Lars_G> Hi all.
[00:40] <Lars_G> Sorry to ask this here but I want the kubuntu side of things first.
[00:40] <EDinNY> hi
[00:40] <EDinNY> so, ask
[00:40] <Lars_G> I'm trying to compile an Amarok 2.0 svn pull, but cmake is arguing it can't find a lot of includes, like KDE4Defaults, I've installed all kde4 dev packages I could find on aptitude, and it still whines.
[00:41] <Lars_G> Any idea which package holds these definitions for cmake in kubuntu?
[00:41] <Lars_G> I'm using 7.10
[00:43] <ilya> hi ppl
[00:43] <EDinNY> hi
[00:45] <stond> Can anybody tell me why every time I try to convert video to a format to watch on my Sony PSP it tells me  Unknown codec 'aac'
[00:45] <ilya> i have a trouble, i have a lan-card realtek RTL8139, and in kubuntu works only half duplex 10Mbit
[00:45] <ilya> but i windows it works in full duplex 100Mbit
[00:45] <Lars_G> Hmm it seems it was in kdelibs5-data for 3.94 but it's not there in 4.0.3
[00:46] <ilya> can you help me
[00:47] <Lars_G> stond: The converter you're using (ffmpeg?) was not compiled with aac support, or the aac en/decoder is not installed (libfaad and libfaac)
[00:48] <zapan> hi
[00:48] <ilya> hi
[00:48] <sgrover> low
[00:49] <stond> Lars_G i have installed them both buut still nonthing
[00:49] <zapan> excuse me isnt there a french channel ? =_=
[00:49] <damien__> I need help - Linux wont allow me to open my CD drive.
[00:49] <Lars_G> stond: then you'll probably need to compile your own version of the converter program you're using, with support for aac, or find some prepackaged by someone
[00:49] <simulous> hey ppl :)
[00:50] <Lars_G> zapan: #ubuntu-fr
[00:50] <zapan> thx
[00:50] <Lars_G> damien__: explain the behaviour you're experiencing
[00:51] <damien__> Lars_G: This is the error message I recieve
[00:51] <damien__> Unfortunately, the device system:/media/scd0 (/dev/scd0) named 'Kubuntu 8.04 i386' and currently mounted at /media/cdrom0 could not be unmounted.
[00:51] <damien__> The following error was returned by umount command:
[00:51] <damien__> umount: only root can unmount /dev/scd0 from /media/cdrom0
[00:51] <ilya> anybody can help me with my trouble?
[00:52] <Dr_willis> somthing may be using the cdrom drive.
[00:52] <Dr_willis> try 'sudo umount /media/cdrom0' also
[00:53] <damien__> sudo: unmount: command not found
[00:53] <Lars_G> ilya: try setting it by hand, is your card named "eth0" ??
[00:54] <Dr_willis> damien__,  there is no N in umount
[00:54] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:54] <Dr_willis> try 'sudo umount /media/cdrom0'
[00:54] <damien__> woops, I copied Dr_Willis
[00:54] <ilya> Lars_G: yes
[00:54] <Lars_G> ilya: try this in a shell: sudo ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full
[00:55] <Dr_willis> you misscoppoed whjat i said then.    <Dr_willis> try 'sudo umount /media/cdrom0' also
[00:55] <Dr_willis> and yes.. the error message did use the word unmount. :)   with an n.
[00:56] <Illusion-> hello
[00:56] <Illusion-> can somebody tell me what the basic/default password is?
[00:56] <Lars_G> Illusion-: the one you set during install
[00:57] <Dr_willis> You use your initial users password, as the sudo password.
[00:57] <Illusion-> for all?
[00:57] <Lars_G> All of what?
[00:57] <Dr_willis> for all 'what'?
[00:57] <damien__> Thanks guys, it worked.
[00:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:57] <Illusion-> adept-updater?
[00:57] <Lars_G> Illusion-: that's a program, programs are not users.
[00:57] <Dr_willis> Illusion-,  yes. thats asking for the sudo password.
[00:57] <Illusion-> hmmz
[00:58] <Lars_G> Illusion-: if you mean the root password when you're doing sudo use your user's password
[00:58] <Illusion-> i didnt need to set to root pw tho
[00:58] <Lars_G> Illusion-: no, root has no password by default, you can't "su" to root. Ubuntu relies on sudo by default
[00:58] <Illusion-> kk
[00:59] <Lars_G> If you're very set in using su you can assign a password for root, but normally it's not required
[01:00] <will00> ey im tryin to compile something and i get the error "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" any ideas?
[01:00] <Lars_G> Dr_willis: I'm still looking for my KDE4Defaults.cmake :(
[01:00] <Lars_G> will00: did you install all the packages necesary to compile?
[01:00] <Lars_G> they're not installed by default
[01:00] <will00> i think so
[01:01] <Dr_willis> will00,  you did install the build-essential package?
[01:01] <Dr_willis>  C compiler cannot create executables ----> normally because its not installed. :)
[01:01] <ilya> Lars_G: i did it, but still not working correctly
[01:02] <damien__> Uh
[01:02] <damien__> Linux won't read the files that I placed on my DVD
[01:02] <Lars_G> ilya: how do you know it's not
[01:02] <will00> ok got that now its stuck at this error "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"
[01:02] <damien__> I just dragged and dropped them in from windows (like basic txt files etc)
[01:02] <damien__> and linux cant find any files on it
[01:02] <Lars_G> damien__: did it actually burn the files? check it on another machine
[01:02] <Illusion-> is it possible to run the distro from a usb stick ppl?
[01:03] <damien__> I don't have another machine to check it on
[01:03] <MarcC> how do I start the little network tray icon that shows wireless networks?
[01:03] <will00> illusion: yes
[01:03] <Illusion-> would be slow isnt it?
[01:03] <Lars_G> will00: that requires the -dev files for xorg
[01:03] <ilya> Lars_G: i use dmesg, and it wrote that eth0: link up, 10Mbps, half-duplex, lpa 0x0000
[01:03] <will00> illusion-: yes http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
[01:03] <will00> check it out though
[01:04] <Lars_G> ilya: yes because that's when the machine started. do an "ifconfig" now and see what it reports NOW
[01:04] <Illusion-> ive been installing it on a usb stick but it hangs after a while
[01:04] <Illusion-> *while booting
[01:08] <ilya> Lars_G: sorry, but how can i check this changes ?)
[01:08] <will00> another stupid error "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[01:08] <will00> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log."
[01:08] <ilya> Lars_G: with ifconfig i haven't this information
[01:11] <will00> any idea as to why its complaining about qt now?
[01:11] <MarcC> how do I start the network helper tray icon for showing me my connection info?
[01:19] <Lars_G> ilya: "sudo ethtool eth0" should tell you your current stats
[01:20] <ilya> Lars_G: thanks =)
[01:22] <ken> Another question ppl
[01:22] <Illusion-> I cant update anymore, another copy from adapt manager is running
[01:23] <Illusion-> is there a way the shut it down?
[01:23] <Illusion-> i had some error while using the program
[01:23] <Illusion-> package could not be installed...bla bla
[01:24] <Illusion-> And I can only open it in read only mode
[01:24] <damien__> Hi.
[01:24] <damien__> I downloaded the newest flash player in tar.bz2 format, but how do I install it or w/e?
[01:25] <ilya> Lars_G: changes apply, but speed only ~100kb/s
[01:25] <will00> im tryin to compile dekorator from source and after i type make i get this :http://pastebin.com/m48fffd4f
[01:25] <ilya> Lars_G: real transfer speed with computer on my switch
[01:29] <Illusion-> nvm,has been solved with dpkg --configure -a
[01:31] <ilya> Lars_G: do you know what the problem?
[01:31] <will00> anyone know why im gettin the make errors listed here http://pastebin.com/m48fffd4f
[01:32] <Dr_willis> will00,  why is your dekorator dirctory in the trash?
[01:32] <Dr_willis>  Entering directory `/home/will/.local/share/Trash/files/dekorator-0.3/client/config'
[01:32] <will00> its not
[01:32] <Dr_willis> it says it is. :)
[01:32] <will00> it shouldnt be, its on my desktop
[01:33] <Dr_willis> I see no error messaegs in that paste. The next step would be a 'sudo make install'
[01:33] <Dr_willis> of course in the past when compiling kde themes and parts ive had to give configure the proper option as to where the kdebase dir is at.
[01:34] <will00> dr willis heres the output of thathttp://pastebin.com/m28eccb66
[01:34] <will00> yet i cant access dekorator
[01:35] <Dr_willis> you mean after you did a 'sudo make install' and it installed.. it is not shown under the KDE theme settings?
[01:37] <will00> im in the system settings and it isnt there
[01:37] <Dr_willis> You may need to redo the ./configure step to tell it the proper place to install to.
[01:38] <Dr_willis> kde-config --prefix     shows  -------> /usr here... so to configure i would use......
[01:39] <Dr_willis> ./configure --prefix=/usr
[01:39] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24380       has details
[01:40] <simulous> hey... im slowely figuring out how to use linux and im trying to mount a network drive from my server 2003 box... But when im putting the command in the terminal to mount the drive, after putting my password in im getting the following message....
[01:40] <simulous> cli_negprot: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it.
[01:40] <simulous> any ideas? ;O(
[01:40] <Jucato> !info dekorator
[01:40] <ubotu> Package dekorator does not exist in gutsy
[01:41] <Jucato> !info kwin-style-dekorator
[01:41] <ubotu> kwin-style-dekorator (source: kwin-style-dekorator): windows decoration for kde using user-supplied PNG files. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1 (gutsy), package size 173 kB, installed size 420 kB
[01:41] <Dr_willis> i found dekorator to be one of the.. err.. uglier kwin styles out.
[01:41] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:42] <simulous> sorry to interupt by the way :o)
[01:42] <Jucato> it's supposed to be themeable (with pixmaps/images)
[01:42] <simulous> anyone have any clues please?
[01:42] <brandon> could some one help me? my exit, minimize, and maximize buttons have dissapeared
[01:42] <Dr_willis> ive never heard of smb signing.
[01:42] <Cannon> how do I get my 2nd monitor set-up?
[01:42] <Dr_willis> brandon,  you got a titlebar at all?
[01:43] <simulous> kk ill google it
[01:43] <brandon> nopr
[01:43] <Dr_willis> Cannon,  what video card?
[01:43] <brandon> nope*
[01:43] <Dr_willis> brandon,  and are you messign with compiz?
[01:43] <brandon> no
[01:43] <Dr_willis> try alt-f2 'kwin --replace'
[01:43] <Dr_willis> or kwin --replace in any open terminal
[01:44]  * Jucato doubts Alt+F2 works if kwin is dead :)
[01:44] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  i always got a terminal open. :) so i never notice.
[01:45] <Jucato> :P
[01:47] <simulous> anyone know where i can find the smb.conf file please?
[01:48] <simulous> brb pm me please if you know :o)
[01:49] <ilya> Lars_G: sorry, i reboot mashine, but network speed is low, but i have 100Mbs, and full duplex mode, how wrote ethtool
[01:52] <mohamed> hey all, i am running kubuntu 8.04 on hp dv 6636 nr, and i am not able to get my wireless working
[01:53] <mohamed> it is bcm43xx
[01:53] <mohamed> i have read that it is supported by the current kernel of kubuntu, but it seems not
[01:55] <ilya> Lars_G: thanks for all, i fix my problem =) your information for me was very important
[01:59] <mohamed> ndiswrapper is not working, also
[02:00] <Jucato> !broadcom
[02:00] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[02:02] <maduser> there is a program you can download
[02:02] <maduser> that does an automatic nidswrapper install
[02:04] <mohamed> ubotu: oh, thanks, that link cleared some point
[02:04] <mohamed> my wifi is not bcm43xx, it is BCM94311MCG
[02:05] <maduser> ubotu is a bot
[02:05] <ubotu> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information.
[02:05] <Jucato> :D
[02:06] <maduser> he seems to human like....
[02:06] <Jucato> that's what he wants you to think
[02:06] <maduser> to smart....
[02:06] <Jucato> cunning little critter
[02:06] <mohamed> :)
[02:06] <maduser> Jugemant day?
[02:06] <maduser> *Judgment day?
[02:07] <mohamed> ndiswrapper is not working
[02:07] <mohamed> it was my first option, actually
[02:07] <maduser> there is a program you can get
[02:07] <maduser> from the ubuntu forums
[02:08] <mohamed> mohamed@hp:~$ ndiswrapper -l
[02:08] <mohamed> bcmwl5 : driver installed
[02:08] <mohamed>         device (14E4:4311) present (alternate driver: bcm43xx)
[02:09] <Cannon> sorry Dr_willis: my video card is nvidia 8800
[02:11] <Cannon> !dual monitor
[02:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual monitor - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:11] <Cannon> !dualmonitor
[02:11] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[02:13] <mohamed> it seems that everybody in the links i searched suggest using ndiswrapper
[02:13] <mohamed> but it is not working on kubuntu 8.04
[02:14] <maduser> 8.04 is beta
[02:14] <mohamed> it is the alpha6
[02:14] <maduser> Its still being tested though right?
[02:14] <mohamed> maduser: yes
[02:14] <maduser> its made for testers
[02:15] <maduser> send in a problem report
[02:16] <mohamed> maduser: but the kernel shouldn't be so different
[02:16] <mohamed> i will send a problem report, but in principle, is this possible?
[02:17] <Dr_willis> !twinview | Cannon
[02:17] <ubotu> Cannon: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[02:17] <Dr_willis> Cannon,  My 8800gtsXXX works good. :)
[02:19] <acmeDS> hey
[02:19] <acmeDS> need help configuring my eth0
[02:19] <acmeDS> cant even get to my router page
[02:20] <Dr_willis> router has dhcp enabled?
[02:20] <acmeDS> yra
[02:20] <Dr_willis> This is a wired card? Not wireless?
[02:20] <acmeDS> i had windows set static
[02:21] <acmeDS> tryed the same on here didnt work
[02:21] <acmeDS> et
[02:21] <acmeDS> ho not eifi
[02:21] <acmeDS> eth0
[02:21] <wopppp> i found this channel on a website describing how to dual boot kubuntu and windows, i already have windows installed and i have Slackware on a seperate partition, i want to wipe off slackware and install kubuntu in its place, i guess what i am really after is Kubuntu automatically recognizes a windows partition on boot up and asks if you want to goto kubuntu or windows??
[02:21] <acmeDS> sorry, im on ds irc csnt type lol
[02:22] <Dr_willis> acmeDS,   i would set it to dhcp and restart networking to see if it works.
[02:22] <Kaevik> that would be the boot loader.
[02:22] <Kaevik> grub, or lilo
[02:22] <wopppp> correct what i mena is does the default kubuntu bootloaded automatically detect?
[02:22] <Dr_willis> wopppp,  most all disrtos install, and use the GRUB boot loader to let you select what OS to boot to.
[02:22] <acmeDS> trying now
[02:22] <Dr_willis> wopppp,  it makes a menu for you to use.
[02:22] <wopppp> very cool...
[02:23] <acmeDS> lol
[02:23] <wopppp> i was researching it on the internet and all the sites say plainly, install windows first, install kubuntu... bam your done it dual boots
[02:23] <acmeDS> didnt work
[02:23] <acmeDS> dhcp
[02:23] <Dr_willis> Yep. thats about the basics of i wopppp
[02:23] <wopppp> is eth0 active?
[02:24] <acmeDS> yes/
[02:24] <Dr_willis> acmeDS, check ifconfig output, check dmesg output, check the cables..  see if you can even ping things.. see if ifconfig shows an ip address...
[02:24] <wopppp> this computer your on is in the same network?
[02:24] <Dr_willis> could even try some live cd's see if they work with the network.
[02:25] <acmeDS> only pc i have
[02:25] <acmeDS> im on a ds now
[02:25] <Dr_willis> also find out exactly what network card you have by checking 'lspci' output
[02:25] <acmeDS> its intergrated
[02:26] <Dr_willis> most are. :) lspci still shows info on them
[02:26] <acmeDS> mcp55
[02:26] <wopppp> lol anyways thats great ive tried a few flavors of linux and ubuntu seems to be favored by many
[02:26] <mohamed> maduser: thank you
[02:27] <acmeDS> dmesg spewed a ton of junk
[02:29] <Dr_willis> acmeDS,  check 'lsmod' output - see if the module   forcedeth is loaded
[02:29] <Dr_willis> lsmod | grep forcedeth
[02:29] <acmeDS> isee an ip in eth0:avahi
[02:29] <Dr_willis> the mcp55 seems to have some 'issues' in many different disrtos
[02:30] <acmeDS> forcedeth 0
[02:30] <acmeDS> forcedeth 51980 0
[02:31] <Dr_willis> frm what i am reading - the options -->  options forcedeth msi=0 msix=0 are needed for that module under some kernel/disrtos
[02:31] <acmeDS> i had ot working in 7.0
[02:31] <Dr_willis> I just have no idea where to put those options
[02:31] <acmeDS> o.0
[02:31] <Dr_willis> 7.0?
[02:31] <acmeDS> feisty
[02:32] <acmeDS> or hardy w/e
[02:33] <Dr_willis> the ubuntu specific 'help' pages on that  card. mention upgrading the kernel to get it working..
[02:33] <Dr_willis> of course with the network not working.. thats an issue. :)
[02:33] <acmeDS> lol
[02:33] <acmeDS> ithought thid was latest krtnel
[02:33] <Dr_willis> what kernelyou using  check with uname -a
[02:33] <acmeDS> 2.6.24-12
[02:34] <Dr_willis> thats newer then what the guides i see even mention.
[02:34] <Dr_willis> The guides seem to  imply that the networking/card seems to stop after working for a short amount of time
[02:35] <Dr_willis> You could try restarting the networking, see if it works, :) then later stops I guess
[02:35] <acmeDS> very short apparently
[02:35] <Dr_willis> sudo /etc/init.d/network restart
[02:35] <Dr_willis>  and check the ifconfig to see if the ip changes. also see if you can ping the router
[02:36] <acmeDS> no ping
[02:36] <Dr_willis> if it worked in hardy. Id just use hardy. :) but im using hardy now
[02:36] <acmeDS> aw crap make it stop
[02:36] <acmeDS> o ok
[02:36] <acmeDS> ctrl+c lol
[02:37] <acmeDS> whats 8 called?
[02:38] <Dr_willis> 8 ?
[02:39] <acmeDS> gotta find hsrdy now
[02:39] <SeligArkin> I have been getting alot of dpkg errors lately, and there is no way I can install all the upgraded it wants me to, is there any way to re-generate /var/lib/dpkg/status?
[02:39] <acmeDS> hardy
[02:39] <Dr_willis> hardy is due to be released in like 2 weeks
[02:39] <acmeDS> oh
[02:39] <acmeDS> eait
[02:39] <Cannon> you've got the same gpu as me then Dr_willis :)
[02:39] <Dr_willis> You could test out the hardy live cd easially enough. Its in testing right now
[02:39] <acmeDS> im usin...8,04
[02:39] <Cannon> mine is the 320mb one
[02:39] <acmeDS> 8800gts ftw
[02:40] <Cannon> there are much more powerful gpu's out now but mine is still more than enough
[02:40] <Dr_willis> lsb_release -a ----> Description:    Ubuntu hardy (development branch) Release:        8.04
[02:40] <Cannon> not the mention the sli options
[02:40] <Cannon> quad sli :P
[02:40] <acmeDS> im on hardy
[02:40] <Dr_willis> there are some newer kernels out acmeDS  --> i got   Linux cow 2.6.24-15-generic
[02:40] <acmeDS> ic
[02:41] <Dr_willis> acmeDS, i would say check in #ubuntu+1 and the hardy forums. its very likely its a kernel bug. or issue
[02:41] <Cannon> lol @ linux cow
[02:41] <SeligArkin> oh screw it, I am just reinstalling. this is too much of a pain in the rump. going to debian streight up
[02:41] <Cannon> mooooooooooooooooO!
[02:42] <Dr_willis> acmeDS,  hardy chat in #ubuntu+1 :) i found a hardy bug report on that card.
[02:42] <Cannon> lol, i prefer our kde to debian :)
[02:42] <Dr_willis> rmmod forcedeth  && modprobe forcedeth msi=0 msix=0  && /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:42] <Dr_willis> acmeDS,  those options are identical to what i saw mentioned in other disrtos threads/bug reports for that card/module
[02:43] <acmeDS> that goes in konsole?
[02:43] <Dr_willis> acmeDS,  of course. :) where else ya going to type in commands>
[02:43] <Dr_willis> and they need to be ran as root. of course.
[02:43] <acmeDS> um
[02:43] <acmeDS> :D
[02:43] <Dr_willis> or make them in a little script. on 3 lines.
[02:44] <Dr_willis> I put them on one line so i wouldent flood the channel.
[02:44] <acmeDS> error
[02:45] <acmeDS> inserting blah operation not permitted
[02:45] <Dr_willis> you MUST do them as root.
[02:45] <Dr_willis> eithter in a root shell. or tack on sudo at the front of each command  or make a script
[02:45] <acmeDS> idid sudo
[02:45] <Dr_willis> NOT a single sudo at the front
[02:46] <Dr_willis> sudo -s
[02:46] <acmeDS> oh/
[02:46] <Dr_willis> THEN use the command i did.. Or do 3 commands , each with a sudo
[02:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:46] <Dr_willis> or toss the 3 commands in rc.local and reboot.
[02:46] <acmeDS> cannot exec binary file
[02:47] <Dr_willis> i would say use a 'sudo -s' shell and just put in the 3 commands   sudo rmmod forcedeth   , then sudo modprobe forcedeth msi=0 msix=0 , then  /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:47] <acmeDS> ignt one sec
[02:47] <Dr_willis> actually ya dont need to use sudo in that case. heh.
[02:48] <Dr_willis> or paste those 3 commands in a file called 'fixthenet.sh' and chmod +x it, then sudo ./fisthenet.sh :)
[02:48] <acmeDS> ur loosing me lol
[02:48] <Dr_willis> the 'fix' is to be loading the module with the proper optins
[02:48] <Dr_willis> that is ALL you are doing
[02:49] <Dr_willis> Unload the module,  load it with the right options, then restart networking
[02:49] <acmeDS> first command, forcedeth does not exist
[02:49] <Dr_willis> You did it wrong..
[02:49] <Dr_willis> its sudo rmmod forcedeth
[02:49] <acmeDS> thats wha
[02:50] <acmeDS> i wrote
[02:50] <Dr_willis> rmmod = remove module - that Unloads the module
[02:50] <acmeDS> mudt be unloaded then?
[02:50] <Dr_willis> sudo rmmod forcedeth
[02:50] <Dr_willis> you MUST unload the modulem then load it properly  with the right options.
[02:50] <Dr_willis> sudo modprobe forcedeth msi=0 msix=0
[02:50] <acmeDS> it says it doesnt exist
[02:51] <Dr_willis> it says the command dosent exist or the module is allready unloaded?
[02:51] <Dr_willis> It may be its unloaded from one of your earlier commands.
[02:51] <acmeDS> i guess
[02:51] <Dr_willis> Then try -->   sudo modprobe forcedeth msi=0 msix=0
[02:51] <Dr_willis> that Loads the module correctly
[02:51] <acmeDS> second cmd; commandnot found/
[02:52] <acmeDS> etf
[02:52] <Dr_willis> im betting on another typo
[02:52] <acmeDS> got it
[02:52] <Dr_willis> now restart the networking like i showd ye earlier.
[02:52] <Dr_willis> sudo  /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:53] <Dr_willis> now it should work.. but your configuration tweaking earlier may have other bits goofed up. :)
[02:54] <acmeDS> YEY
[02:54] <Dr_willis> the perment fix is to put those 3 commands in your rc.local - not the BEST fix..but a workable fix.
[02:54] <Dr_willis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/136836        is where i got this info from
[02:55] <acme64> ok, fuk the ds
[02:55] <acme64> lmao
[02:55] <acme64> thanks alot man
[02:55] <acme64> ok so these settings are gonna revert every time i boot
[02:57] <Dr_willis> as i said......
[02:57] <Dr_willis> the perment fix is to put those 3 commands in your rc.local - not the BEST fix..but a workable fix.
[02:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:57] <Dr_willis> so thats a yes.
[02:57] <Dr_willis> there may be some modules option file somewhere that you could put the options in also. but i dont knwo where its at.
[02:57] <Dr_willis> that would be a better fix.
[02:58] <acme64> i see on this forum dude editing a modprobe.d file
[03:00] <acme64> oh niftier
[03:00] <acme64> edit the /etc/modules
[03:00] <Dr_willis> sounds about right.
[03:01] <acme64> ok, that looks good to meh
[03:02] <acme64> second order of business, no audio
[03:02] <acme64> o snap, i fixed it
[03:02] <acme64> lol
[03:03] <Dr_willis> i belive i will NOT buy nvidia based chipset machines in the near future
[03:03] <acme64> lmao
[03:03] <Dr_willis> work time for me. bye all
[03:03] <acme64> thanks a ton for your help
[03:04] <acme64> ok, now i beleive i need to install my nvidia card
[03:08] <acme64> adept says firefox is installed but i dont see it
[03:19] <madmax> hi folks
[03:19] <madmax> man i love the new kde4 :)
[03:26] <apol> gat
[03:29] <sebb> Greetings
[03:31] <sebb> I just install Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon and try to apply the updates. My adept encounter some problems with some packages. Does any body know how to end the adept process ?
[03:31] <sebb> Because I can not manage my repository or even install spftweare from the adept.
[03:32] <Ralesk> sebb: sudo killall adept-manager
[03:32] <sebb> thanks
[03:32] <Jucato> (would be adept_manager... but depends on which one is running actually)
[03:32] <Ralesk> or whichever adept you're running -- bash-completion will help, just type adept and hit tab
[03:32] <Ralesk> yeah, underscore... been a while :)
[03:34] <sebb> jucato : yup it the manage one
[03:34] <Ralesk> sebb: also, once you can install again, I recommend htop, great for exploring the running processes, seeing which one is gnawing at your resources, and killing rogue processes :)
[03:35] <Jucato> Ctrl+Esc not enough? :)
[03:35] <Ralesk> point
[03:35] <Jucato> (oh KDE 4's ksysguard has a nice feature that asks you for the root/admin password when you're trying to kill another user's process
[03:36] <Ralesk> I forgot about it, as that shortcut is the first I change -- and I never really liked the kde3 sysguard anyway
[03:36] <Jucato> what's not to like about it? :)
[03:36] <Jucato> (it has improved in KDE 4 a lot)
[03:36] <Ralesk> seen the kde4 one, and yes it has improved :)
[03:37] <Ralesk> though at the moment the only thing from KDE4 I use is Konsole
[03:37] <Jucato> there is one thing I miss in the KDE 4 one though... the tree view for processes
[03:37] <Ralesk> Konsole-kde3 is disgracefully slow at drawing on the screen...
[03:38] <sebb> This is odd ... I try the CTRL-ESC approched and the
[03:38] <sebb> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude).
[03:38] <sebb> Would you like to attempt to resolve this problem? No will enter read-only mode and Cancel to quit and resolve this issue yourself.
[03:38] <neville_> Konsole-kde3 seems fine Ralesk
[03:38] <neville_> Stop promoting the future :P
[03:38] <sebb> Sorry.
[03:38] <Ralesk> neville_: :P
[03:38] <sebb> I paste an error messah
[03:38] <sebb> *message
[03:40] <Ralesk> neville_: well, on my computer it draws significantly slower than konsole-kde4 or gnome-terminal -- unfortunately I can't stand the latter :P
[03:40] <neville_> Hmm, it's a wonder how anybody can stand the latter :P
[03:40] <neville_> But each to their own, I guess =]
[03:40] <Ralesk> I've been telling that my coworkers :P
[03:41] <Ralesk> (all gnome guys, heh)
[03:41] <neville_> So long as you don't make it look like KDE is the only alternative. It's all about choice remember?
[03:41] <neville_> :P
[03:42] <Ralesk> oh, forgot, one of them uses e17 :)
[03:42] <Ralesk> I mean, e16.9999999999
[03:42] <neville_> Hehe
[03:42] <neville_> Enlightenment is good though for minimalisticness
[03:42] <Ralesk> e17 always reminds me of Duke Nukem Forever
[03:43] <Ralesk> it's pretty and fast, but otherwise it got on my nerves pretty quick the last time I tried it
[03:43] <neville_> Oh, you must have a low threshold for the different :P
[03:44] <Ralesk> oh, I worked on a gnome desktop for a few months and it was bearable
[03:45] <neville_> I remember my first time using Linux, I thought Gnome was all that there was, and that it was cool -_-v (that made KDE blow my mind)
[03:45] <Ralesk> their panel is silly and you can't make use of a bigger panel height, because most things will just grow on it instead of breaking into multiple lines
[03:46] <neville_> In all honesty, I reckon KDE can be made to be a better Gnome than Gnome, without even changing any code :P
[03:47] <Ralesk> I could make it a Mac too :P  (gotta love the menu position options, not that I'd use them...)
[03:47] <Ralesk> desktop menubar reminds me of DOS times... Need a good retro theme for it though, heh
[03:47] <neville_> haha
[03:48] <sebb> later need to reboot ...
[04:04] <Cannon> !dualscreen
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dualscreen - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <Cannon> !dual screen
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual screen - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <Cannon> !dual monitor
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual monitor - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <Cannon> bah
[04:05] <Cannon> am sure there is one for it
[04:05] <Cannon> !twinview
[04:05] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[04:05] <Cannon> bingo!
[04:08] <simulous> hey
[04:37] <PurpleBlu> In KDE 4.03 is there a way to change the menu?  You have two choices of Kickoff or Standard Kmenu, but is there any other options?   How can't at least change the size of the menu?
[04:38] <Odd-rationale> PurpleBlu: you should be able to resize the menu by clicking and holding on the top right corner...
[04:39] <PurpleBlu> Odd-rationale, not the icon.  I main the actually size of the category's
[04:39] <PurpleBlu> *mean
[04:39] <Odd-rationale> PurpleBlu: oh ok
[04:40] <PurpleBlu> Odd-rationale, But I would prefer different menu layout altogether though.  Can I have a gnome style layout?
[04:40] <Odd-rationale> PurpleBlu: applications, places, system ?
[04:41] <PurpleBlu> Odd-rationale, yes :-D
[04:41] <Odd-rationale> PurpleBlu: not that I know of...
[04:41] <Odd-rationale> except sudo apt-get install gnome :)
[04:41] <PurpleBlu> Odd-rationale, that's stupid
[04:43] <PurpleBlu> I thought linux was about customization?  Start menu layout should be able to be changed
[04:44] <Odd-rationale> PurpleBlu: that is custumization, i mean, you cant install a gnome menu in windows :P
[04:44] <neville_> Don't tell anyone to install Gnome
[04:44] <PurpleBlu> How come when I boot back into gnome, none of the kde4 icons show up?
[04:44] <neville_> It'll reduce their ability to do things for themselves
[04:46] <PurpleBlu> I was trying to fiddle with the position of the kmenu item that is in the top panel, and I was unable to move its position
[04:48] <PurpleBlu> Is there going to be any other choices besides the lame KickOFF menu?
[04:49] <neville_> How about you make your own?
[04:49] <neville_> Or check Google :P
[04:49]  * PurpleBlu slaps neville_ for being a smart ass
[04:50] <PurpleBlu> Someone once showed me a OSX like menu that is in works but I forget the name, so I cant google it :(
[04:50] <Romina> hi
[04:50] <bittin> Hello
[04:50] <neville_> I wasn't being a smartarse
[04:50] <neville_> Believe it or not
[04:51] <neville_> Just make your own applet, and toss it in
[04:51] <Odd-rationale> PurpleBlu: awn ? or kooldock?
[04:51] <Romina> does anyone of you know the game "pokerth"  from the "universe"  repository?
[04:51] <bittin> Romina: yepp
[04:51] <PurpleBlu> Odd-rationale, neither of those
[04:51] <Romina> bittin, may I please ask you to tell me how to connect to an existing online game with real human players?
[04:52] <Romina> bittin, the local games against the computer are kinda boring *g*
[04:52] <bittin> dunno haven't played it just knows about it :P
[04:52] <Romina> *g*
[04:52] <Romina> ;)
[04:52] <volition> hello
[04:52] <bittin> Hi
[04:52] <Romina> hi volition
[04:53] <Romina> bittin, should we give it a try?
[04:53] <bittin> Romina: iam on osx atm :P
[04:53] <Romina> bittin, osx ...well I thought about trying out OS X since a long time
[04:53] <volition> i just installed linux for the first time and i am trying to get firefox to work, so far i installed it, but the only way it will actually run is through the terminal, how do i get it to run through the graphical interface/set up a shortcut to it?
[04:53] <Romina> can you recommend it?
[04:53] <bittin> and gave my Kubuntu box to my grand parents 2 cities away so :D
[04:54] <bittin> becouse they needed a working computer
[04:54] <bittin> yepp i can :)
[04:54] <Romina> volition, well there are several good ways
[04:54] <Romina> volition, I guess you use KDE ?
[04:54] <Romina> the default desktop environment which kubuntu came up with, right?
[04:54] <volition> i think so, yep
[04:54] <Romina> bittin, will be with you in 2 mins
[04:55] <Romina> bittin, I'm gonna help volition for a moment
[04:55] <bittin> ah
[04:55] <Romina> volition, please try "ALT+F2" on your keyboard
[04:55] <bittin> do so
[04:55] <Romina> does a prompt show up?
[04:55] <volition> yes
[04:55] <volition> run command
[04:55] <Romina> perfect
[04:55] <Romina> please enter:
[04:55] <Romina> firefox
[04:55] <volition> hey it worked
[04:55] <bittin> can't u just right click on Kicker and add it to K-menu
[04:55] <volition> heh
[04:55] <Romina> and then use the return key
[04:55] <volition> sounds good
[04:55] <Romina> volition, thats one of the best ways to start programs on linux
[04:55] <Romina> there is one more option.
[04:56] <Romina> bittin just said it
[04:56] <bittin> i remember i did that for my grandparents some days ago :)
[04:56] <volition> awesome yep it worked
[04:56] <Romina> there is a K-Menu to your left
[04:56] <volition> thanks guys
[04:56] <im-a-n00b> hey all... are the ati drivers in the repos the same as from the ati site?
[04:56] <Romina> volition, stop man *g*
[04:56] <Romina> lemme show you how to create an icon
[04:56] <volition> sounds good
[04:56] <Romina> do you see the "K" button?
[04:56] <volition> yes on the lower left
[04:56] <Romina> click it ... there are several submenus
[04:56] <volition> k
[04:56] <Romina> try to find "firefox" I guess its in the "internet" section
[04:57] <volition> yep there it is
[04:57] <Romina> then use the left mouse button to drag and drop it somewhere
[04:57] <volition> guess i didn't check for it again after i installed it through the shell
[04:57] <Romina> for example to your desktop
[04:57] <Romina> but I can only recommend running programs by ALT+F2
[04:57] <Romina> it saves up a lot of space
[04:57] <volition> sounds good
[04:57] <bittin> Romina: :P
[04:57] <bittin> yea if u are arsed enough to remember all program names
[04:58] <Romina> volition, and try out icewm *g*
[04:58] <bittin> when u are like 58 and 61 u maybe don't :)
[04:58]  * Romina hides and runs
[04:58] <Romina> bittin, are you that old?
[04:58] <bittin> nah :P
[04:58] <Romina> *g*
[04:58] <bittin> but my Grandparents are ;D
[04:58] <bittin> iam just 17
[04:58] <Romina> your grandparents use linux?
[04:58] <bittin> yea
[04:58] <Romina> hey cool :)  a 17 years old guy/gal using linux
[04:59] <bittin> iam a guy :P
[04:59] <Romina> I think times changed,   linux became easier
[04:59] <bittin> just becouse i had it installed on my old comp :)
[04:59] <bittin> and i wasen't arsed to buy a windows license and change :P
[04:59] <volition> now to find that partitioning thing they were talking about with "wubi," partition this drive away from the windows one, and reformat the windows one, finally
[04:59] <Romina> I started years ago with Suse,  then Mandrake,  and Debian potato *g*
[04:59] <bittin> or warze it
[04:59] <volition> been like 2 years without a reformat on this computer heh
[04:59] <bittin> i also started with Suse :)
[05:00] <bittin> but even my grandmother finded out how to install the printer in linux
[05:00] <bittin> then i was like :O it must have been easy now
[05:00] <Romina> well KDE makes it easy to set up a printer
[05:00] <Romina> I have learnt how to do in it cups years ago
[05:01] <Romina> its nice that linux became easier,  but ... however,  its time for a new,  difficult  geek-os
[05:01] <bittin> :D lol
[05:01] <Romina> Solaris?
[05:01] <Romina> Unix ?
[05:01] <Romina> BeOS *lol*
[05:02] <bittin> Amiga ;D
[05:02] <Romina> freak *g*
[05:02] <Romina> are there any good new p2p programs out?
[05:02] <Romina> the gnutella network became worse ...
[05:02] <bittin> true
[05:02] <volition> i use bittorrent for everything
[05:03] <Romina> I use frostwire (limewire fork)  but it feels like if there would be less matches
[05:03] <bittin> same here
[05:03] <bittin> and bittorrenting
[05:03] <Romina> volition, if you belive or not,  I never found out how to use bittorrent successfully
[05:03] <volition> ???????????
[05:03] <Romina> really *g*
[05:03] <Romina> the download speeds were around 3 KB / sec
[05:03] <volition> just google utorrent, download and install it
[05:04] <Romina> isn't it in the repos?
[05:04] <bittin> utorrent don't work for linux without wine
[05:04] <volition> ahh
[05:04] <bittin> so better use something else =)
[05:04] <volition> what about this ktorrent thing
[05:04] <Jucato> Romina: torrent speeds are dependent on a lot of factors, peer availability and bandwidth being one of them
[05:04] <bittin> KTorrent isen't that good
[05:04] <volition> if your download speeds are limited it's probably a problem with the options in whatever torrent software you are using
[05:04] <Romina> bittorrent-gui   ctorrent    ktorrent   deluge-torrent
[05:04] <bittin> deluge
[05:04] <Romina> whats good?
[05:04] <bittin> is best then :)
[05:04] <Romina> oki
[05:05] <bittin> Deluge is an utorrent clone :)
[05:05] <Romina> Jucato, glad to meet you again =)
[05:05] <Jucato> !best
[05:05] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
[05:05] <Romina> Jucato, everything ok there?
[05:05] <Jucato> yep
[05:05] <volition> hmm i think i will get deluge
[05:05] <bittin> so volition i think u should fix Deluge also =)
[05:05] <volition> heh
[05:06] <Romina> bittin, I'm gonna install deluge
[05:06] <bittin> do so =)
[05:06] <Romina> erm guys ...
[05:06] <Romina> one stupid question
[05:06] <bittin> !ask
[05:06] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[05:06] <Romina> well maybe its been me beeing stupid because I trusted the german ubuntuusers-wiki
[05:07] <Romina> bittin, let's go out and discuss it on the street ;)
[05:07] <bittin> don't ask it in german and it will be ok
[05:07] <bittin> iam swedish :D
[05:07] <Romina> I know :)
[05:07] <volition> how do i check which version of ubuntu i am using?
[05:08] <bittin> uname -a
[05:08] <Jucato> volition: "lsb_release -a"
[05:08] <bittin> in Konsole?
[05:08] <Jucato> bittin: nope
[05:08] <volition> sounds good, thanks
[05:08] <bittin> :P
[05:08] <Jucato> uname -a gives you info about the current kernel you have booted into
[05:08] <bittin> Jucato: got right
[05:08] <bittin> ah
[05:08] <bittin> was a while i was using Linux :
[05:08] <bittin> :p
[05:09] <Jucato> unless you know which kernel versions are available per Ubuntu version, uname -a (or -r) wouldn't give a clue :)
[05:09] <bittin> haha no :D
[05:10] <Romina> ok, deluge torrent has been started
[05:10] <Romina> there is no "search" field :)
[05:10] <bittin> nah search on a tracker =)
[05:10] <bittin> like http://thepiratebay.org/ or http://mininova.org
[05:10] <Romina> tracker?
[05:10] <Romina> I need to search online?
[05:10] <bittin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_tracker
[05:11] <Romina> beautiful
[05:11] <volition> 8.04 hardy got it thanks
[05:11] <bittin> yepp
[05:11] <bittin> volition: aren't that just beta :P
[05:12] <Jucato> torrent != gnutella/limewire stuff
[05:12] <Jucato> 2 different kinds of p2p
[05:12] <Romina> No hits. Try adding an asterisk in you search phrase.
[05:12] <Romina> ^
[05:12] <Romina> same goes for 4 different searches
[05:13] <Jucato> !piracy | bittin, btw
[05:13] <ubotu> bittin, btw: piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[05:13] <bittin> ah ok
[05:13] <bittin> then i know
[05:13] <Jucato> Romina: with torrents, you actually have to first search for .torrent files for what you want to download. it's not like Limewire where there's a sort of centralized searching place
[05:13] <bittin> sorry
[05:14] <Jucato> it's ok. just a light warning :)
[05:17] <serrucho> hi everyone
[05:17] <bittin> hello serrucho
[05:17] <serrucho> i have a question how to connect remote to a windows computer?
[05:17] <bittin> with Samba but dunno how :
[05:17] <bittin> :P
[05:18] <Jucato> !samba
[05:18] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[05:18] <serrucho> ok
[05:18] <serrucho> thanks
[05:19] <MrJoey> serrucho> If you're talking about logging into the remote desktop, you'll need Window$ XP (or Vista, probably) Professional to serve it, and a program like rdesktop to connect to it.
[05:20] <serrucho> ok thanks for yo information guys
[05:21] <serrucho> i`ll tried samba
[05:21] <serrucho> and let you know guys
[05:21] <tuxwulf_> Hey there. Is there a way I can configure apt/adept to check for updates only once a month or something?
[05:22] <serrucho> if i have a Q. dont doubt that i will q.
[05:23] <Jucato> tuxwulf_: I know there's a setting for it.. try digging around in /etc/apt/
[05:24] <Jucato> or there might be an option in Adept Manager -> Adept menu -> Manage Repositories
[05:24] <volition> how do i see what is currently using the cpu and memory?
[05:24] <bittin> volition: alt + escape
[05:24] <bittin> or if it was ctrl + escape
[05:25] <volition> well one of them worked heh
[05:25] <Jucato> Ctrl+Esc
[05:25] <Jucato> :D
[05:25] <volition> thanks
[05:31] <tuxwulf_> Jucato: Thaaanks! I'll have a check after my spaghetti
[05:33] <Jucato> O.o
[05:33] <Jucato> apt-get install spaghetti
[05:35] <Romina> bittin?
[05:35] <bittin> Romina: yepp?
[05:36] <Romina> bittin, are you registered at Nickserv?
[05:36] <bittin> yepp :)
[05:36] <bittin> ofc :)
[05:36] <Romina> i'm gonna send you am /msg
[05:36] <bittin> do so
[05:41] <Romina> are there any core devs of Kubuntu in this channel?
[05:43] <Jucato> maybe. maybe not. what's the matter?
[05:44] <chris42050707> hi i have an impossible question to answer any body willing to try?
[05:44] <Jucato> try asking first :)
[05:44] <chris42050707> lol
[05:44] <chris42050707> how do i disable scsi emulation?
[05:45] <chris42050707> i even googled it and can't find a answer lol
[05:45] <Jucato> difficult indeed... no idea actually.. might want to wait around and see if someone might now
[05:45] <Jucato> know*
[05:46] <chris42050707> yup
[05:46] <chris42050707> im in ubuntu,xubuntu,kubuntu channels lol and waiting lol
[05:46] <volition> hmmm it seems like my graphics display drivers need to be installed some things are painfully laggy
[05:47] <Jucato> volition: what does "glxinfo | grep render" say? (if it's multiple lines, don't paste it in here, use a pastebin)
[05:48] <volition> not saying anything in konsole hmm
[05:48] <Jucato> that would be terribly weird
[05:50] <volition> well i guess it would make sense that it would not automatically install my graphic card drivers, getting them now
[05:50] <volition> heh i love this connection
[05:50] <volition> 900k a second
[05:50] <bittin> :P
[05:50] <bittin> what connection u got?
[05:51] <bittin> i got 100/100
[05:51] <bittin> :D
[05:51] <Jucato> chris42050707: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616843 (though it seems you need to recompile your kernel or unload some kernel modules)
[05:51] <volition> this is a t3, wish i had this at home heh
[05:51] <bittin> i got T1
[05:51] <bittin> at home
[05:52] <chris42050707> oh damn
[05:52] <chris42050707> that seems like a pain
[05:52] <Jucato> volition: "glxinfo | grep render" should return a "Direct rendering: Yes" afaik
[05:52] <Jucato> if the drivers are installed correctly
[05:53] <volition> i see
[05:53] <Jucato> what graphics card do you have?
[05:53] <volition> i am trying to install these drivers
[05:53] <volition> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_169.12.html
[05:53] <volition> nvidia geforce 6150
[05:53] <Jucato> oh nvidia
[05:53] <Jucato> yep that should do the trick
[05:54] <Jucato> actually it would have installed the free software nv driver by default, which doesn't do 3D hardware acceleration (yet)
[05:54] <volition> well i have that file
[05:55] <volition> and i can't figure out how to install it, where do i type the "sh filename" like it says
[05:55] <bittin> in Konsole
[05:55] <bittin> Terminal
[05:55] <bittin> thingie
[05:55] <Jucato> um. you don't have too
[05:55] <Jucato> you could just install it from Kubuntu's repositories
[05:56] <Jucato> System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Restricted Manager should make it easier
[05:56] <volition> ??
[05:56] <Jucato> if that doesn't work
[05:56] <Jucato> !nvidia
[05:56] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:56] <Jucato> that guide should help ^^^
[05:56] <volition> sounds good, thanks
[05:56] <Jucato> you should only install the driver directly from nvidia.com as a last resort
[05:58] <volition> i don't see restricted manager in system settings > advanced tab
[05:58] <Jucato> what version of Kubuntu are you on again?
[05:58] <volition> hardy
[05:58] <volition> 8.04
[05:59] <Jucato> hm.. strange... you should have it there by default...
[05:59] <Jucato> anyway, follow that guide there
[05:59] <bittin> iam afraid of betas :P
[05:59] <volition> k
[06:02] <chris42050707> juc.... its odd its saying that all ide devices are scsi devices ran through a ide controller since kernel2.6 lol
[06:02] <chris42050707> bulll shit lol
[06:02] <chris42050707> anybody good with hardware difficulties?
[06:03] <volition> okay cool i found drivers in adept installer
[06:03] <bittin> nice
[06:06] <volition> alright i should be using my graphics card now heh
[06:07] <volition> what was the command to check if i was again?
[06:08] <volition> glxinfo?
[06:08] <volition> hmmm
[06:08] <chris42050707> any one good with hardware interfacing problems?
[06:11] <chris42050707> any good hardware minded people in here?
[06:12] <Romina> Jucato?
[06:12] <Romina> I think we just found a bug in ubuntu in the german ubuntu channel
[06:13] <Romina> Jucato, will be back in some hours
[06:13] <Romina> my boyfriend just came
[06:13] <Romina> cya
[06:16] <volition> well that is odd, the graphics drivers work but now my sound doesn't work
[06:16] <volition> brb restarting
[06:25] <noy_> need some help please i am forwarding my eth0 port to wlan0 but if i restart the config will be lost oh also the wlan0 i have to modprobe ndiswrapper all the time when i start the computer would be nice to not have to do this. heres what im suppose to do::If you restart your computer, you will lose all of these settings. So find the custom startup script for whatever distro you are using (for slackware, open the file /etc/rc.d/rc.local)
[06:25] <noy_> and add this text to the file
[06:25] <noy_> if i restart the computer the entire thing will be lost
[06:26] <noy_> but im not using slackware im using kbuntu :)
[06:33] <noy_> okay i fixed the ndiswrapper not starting on boot time in file, /etc/modules i just added ndiswrapper to the script;
[06:34] <noy_> but heres the other problem read #5 on this web page called make it permanent how whttp://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Connecting_to_XBox_Live_through_a_linux_computer_connected_to_a_wireless_LANould i do this..
[06:40] <acme__> very stupid question for u all
[06:41] <acme__> when i type cd directory, it always says file or folder not found
[06:41] <acme__> how th ehell do i navigate round
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> case sensitivity, my dear boy
[06:42] <acme__> im using the autocomplete
[06:44] <acme__> i dunno how the fuck to run this server
[06:44] <acme__> woops, wrong window lol
[06:44] <noy_> daisuke_ido
[06:44] <noy_> can yo u please help me
[06:46] <stdin> noy_: put commands in /etc/rc.local to have them run at boot (they are always ran as root so no sudo is needed)
[06:47] <noy_> aww thank you
[06:48] <noy_> rc.local doesnt exist
[06:48] <stdin> /etc/rc.local should always exist
[06:49] <noy_> hmm
[06:49] <noy_> theres rc.0 etc but not a local should i just create it?
[06:49] <noy_> rc0.d -rc6.d
[06:49] <noy_> oh found it :)
[06:50] <stdin> rc.local is a file, not a directory
[06:50] <noy_> yea i found it right now hey thanks alot i appreciate it :) would have taken me about a week to figure this out
[06:51] <noy_> okay ill be back in a second see if this works
[07:30] <prateek> hi!
[07:30] <prateek> how do we install scanners in kubuntu?
[07:32] <prateek>  how do we install scanners in kubuntu? how do we install scanners in kubuntu?
[07:32] <Daisuke_Ido> well we can start by not repeating yourself
[07:32] <Daisuke_Ido> especially since you're the ONLY one that's spoken
[07:32] <Daisuke_Ido> that said, i don't know.
[07:33] <prateek> sorry
[07:36] <prateek> see i installed kubuntu yesterday but games and education content is missing..i have a slow net connection how can i force kubuntu to get these from kubuntu 7.10 live cd
[07:38] <prateek> well
[07:43] <neville_> Show some patience prateek.
[07:43] <neville_> Also check Google and Ubuntu forums while waiting.
[07:59] <Vermux_> in the kubuntu dvd - which file plays the dvd ?? it is not running automatically
[08:01] <Vermux_> anybody?
[08:07] <angasule> !flash
[08:07] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[08:08] <angasule> stupid update
[08:09] <ubuntu> in some of the kde configuration menues there seem to be several entries of the same choice
[08:16] <b4l74z4r> why can't i install "juk" in kubuntu 8.04?
[08:17] <dthacker-work> !hardy | b4l74z4r
[08:17] <ubotu> b4l74z4r: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[08:18] <mohi> hi all :) how do I share my internet in between 2 kubuntus ? its my ifconfig: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6820/
[08:19] <dthacker-work> !network
[08:19] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:19] <dthacker-work> ;p
[08:19] <mohi> ;)
[08:20] <dthacker-work> mohi: please describe how your machines are connected to the internet
[08:20] <mohi> dthacker-work: hey...
[08:20] <dthacker-work> mohi: please be patient 'cos I'm at work and may have to be afk for a few mins at a time
[08:21] <mohi> dthacker-work: the PC is contected to internet via eth1 to adsl and the laptop is connected to OC via PC's eth0
[08:21] <mohi> dthacker-work: :) ok
[08:21] <mohi> s/OC/PC
[08:21] <dthacker-work> OC=other computer?
[08:21] <mohi> i meant PC
[08:22] <b4l74z4r> is it possible to change the size of the external taskbar?
[08:22] <dthacker-work> mohi: you need a hub or router
[08:23] <mohi> dthacker-work: vat i do it with ip forwarding like: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[08:23] <mohi> s/vat/can't*
[08:23] <stdin> mohi: iirc firestarter can do that all for you
[08:24] <stdin> (turns your PC into a firewall/router)
[08:24] <mohi> stdin: firestarter always says cant find my internet! I purged it! :D
[08:24] <dthacker-work> mohi: yes you could
[08:24]  * dthacker-work googles firestarter.
[08:25] <stdin> it's a iptables GUI (like guarddog)
[08:25]  * dthacker-work adds it to his list of things to learn.
[08:26] <tsukasa_> hey guys, how do i get a vertical spacer line in the bottom panel?
[08:37] <twager> Anyone tell me the advantages of compiz-fusion over the normal kde desktop apart from eye-candy ?
[08:38] <Dekans> twager: scale plugin !
[08:38] <dthacker-work> twager: I see no advantages, so  I don't use it.
[08:38] <Dekans> a more dynamic display
[08:39] <Dekans> and almost all display work is delegated to your gra?ic card
[08:41] <twager> I do find that I run it to impress visitors but normal day to day I run kde or Gnome desktop
[08:45] <b4l74z4r> does anyone know if its possible to adjust the size of the external taskbar?
[08:45]  * dthacker-work has no idea what an external taskbar is
[08:46] <b4l74z4r> its when you have a seperate taskbar at the bottom, like in ubuntu
[08:48] <Ayabara> in gnome I hold ctrl-alt-shift and use arrows to move to another window, taking the active window with me. is there such a shortcut for kde?
[08:56] <Ayabara> !night
[08:56] <ubotu> It's the middle of the night in the US and Europe, and surrounds.  This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question.  Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake.  This is particularly true in the quieter channels.
[08:58] <fdoving> Ayabara: interesting question, i'll have a look, never used such a feature though. i always use alt and leftmousebutton then move the window.
[09:00] <Ayabara> fdoving: does that let you move it across desktops?
[09:00] <fdoving> Ayabara: if i want it to, yes.
[09:00] <fdoving> Ayabara: that is configureable somewhere, i don't like that feature so i disable it, but it is possible.
[09:01] <Ayabara> fdoving: ok
[09:12] <fdoving> Ayabara: try alt+f7, then use the arrow keys.
[09:15] <calcmandan> kubuntu rocks
[09:16] <harmental> hey guys...Can i safely uninstall initramfs???
[09:17] <Ayabara> fdoving: that didn't do anything for me. maybe it's a difference that I'm on kde4.
[09:17] <fdoving> Ayabara: ok, i'm on kde4 too, but you need to configure it yourself then, hang on.
[09:18] <fdoving> Ayabara: kmenu -> systemsettings -> keyboard & mouse -> keyboard shortcuts -> KDE component, select kwin in the dropdown -> then scroll down to Move window, and configure a shortcut of your liking.
[09:18] <Jucato> Ayabara: you have to set a shortcut for it
[09:18] <Jucato> oh fdoving's here...
[09:20] <fdoving> Ayabara: in kde it works like a 'toggle' option. you can't use only modifiers, you must have atleast one other button. and you just press they key-combo once, then move with the arrow keys and hit space to put the window there, or esc to revert your moving. Alt+f7 is the kubuntu-kde3 default.
[09:20] <fdoving> hi jucato :)
[09:20] <Jucato> hi fdoving!!! :)
[09:21] <fdoving> nice, alt+shift+f2 in kde4 is nice.
[09:21] <fdoving> 'run command on clipboard content'
[09:24] <Ayabara> fdoving: got it. thanks
[09:24] <fdoving> you're welcome :)
[09:28] <Ayabara> is there an easier way to change plasma theme than to edit ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc?
[09:29] <emilsedgh> Ayabara: i think 'not in 4.0'
[09:29] <emilsedgh> Ayabara: look in Configure Desktop, there is an option to change it for 4.1, but i think its not available in 4.0, take a look
[09:30] <Ayabara> emilsedgh: I can confirm that it's not in 4.0. thanks :-)
[09:30] <fdoving> i think that is a 4.1 feature.
[09:31] <Ayabara> when is 4.1 expected?
[09:32] <Ayabara> I won't do it often, so changing it in the config-file is ok with me. annoys me that plasma rewrites the file when it exits though
[09:32] <Ayabara> though I'm sure there's a good reason for it :-)
[09:41] <Mr_Pan> hi, how to obtain a full control panel in kubuntu 8.04  ??
[09:42] <Jucato> Mr_Pan: KDE 3? run "kcontrol"
[09:42] <Mr_Pan> Jucato, right! dont remember it :D
[09:42] <Mr_Pan> thanks
[09:53] <tuxwulf_> Jucato > Foundit, that option to set how often to check for updates. Thanks.
[09:59] <Jucato> tuxwulf_: oh great :)
[10:07] <ScorpKing> traceroute to za.releases.ubuntu.com (155.232.137.228), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets - send: No buffer space available. anyone knows whats going on?
[10:10] <ScorpKing> ugh.. g2g
[10:12] <user1> how can i know what card= and what tuner= i have for my tv card ?
[10:16] <neville_> lspci ?
[10:16] <user1> neville_ that only gives me card=
[10:16] <I_reckn> user1: try    sudo lshw
[10:20] <user1> I_reckn how to make it show only results with 'card'
[10:21] <Aranel> what is the stable version of compiz ?
[10:21] <Jucato> user1: "lshw | grep -i card" perhaps?
[10:21] <Jucato> Aranel: #compiz-fusion please
[10:22] <user1> neville_ Jucato no. i cant see tuner= . i can see card=0 in lspci
[10:23] <Jucato> !tv
[10:23] <ubotu> http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out
[10:23]  * dthacker-work hugs his mythbuntu box
[10:24] <user1> Jucato i just need to know tuner=
[10:24] <neville_> I attempted to setup mythbuntu one time, and lets just say it didn't end well..
[10:26] <user1> so. what now
[10:26] <user1> I_reckn
[10:32] <Orfeous> im looking for some DJ applications except xmms/amarok/shoutcast
[10:34] <gerenuk> as in playlists, or mixing and scratching ?
[10:34] <jussio1> !ubuntustudio | Orfeous
[10:35] <ubotu> Orfeous: UbuntuStudio is a collection of packages for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best Audio/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories. For more info and install instructions, join #ubuntustudio or see http://ubuntustudio.org
[10:35] <Mr_Pan> Orfeous, as mixing u can use mixxx
[10:35] <Orfeous> gerenuk: its instead of real hardware mixing..
[10:35] <Orfeous> i have ubuntustudio allready
[10:36] <Orfeous> going to try mixx
[10:38] <Orfeous> curious
[10:39] <user1> how can i know what card= and what tuner= i have for my tv card ? i have Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01) card=0
[10:41] <jussio1> !netsplit | Orfeous
[10:41] <ubotu> Orfeous: netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[10:43] <jussio1> user1: you could try: /join #linuxtv
[10:43] <user1> k
[10:46] <XenThraL> hi, anyone can tell me if I can use a GPL'ed font in a closed source application?
[10:52] <user1> how can i know whats tuner= i have for my tv card ? i have Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01) card=0
[11:00] <JasonWard> hello. why is it that I can run GTK programs but when I #include <gtk/gtk.h>  it can't find gtk.h ?
[11:01] <Jucato> JasonWard: because you need to install GTK+ headers
[11:02] <Jucato> not sure which packages those would be. you can try asking in #ubuntu which package installs GTK+ headers
[11:02] <JasonWard> ok thanks
[11:03] <TimS> Anyone here running Kima? What temp is normal for system and cpu?
[11:03] <JasonWard> can wild cards be used in the sudo apt-get install  command?
[11:04] <Jucato> JasonWard: don't think so... try searching first :)
[11:04] <Jucato> apt-cache search or in Adept Manager
[11:04] <JasonWard> ok thanks
[11:05] <TimS> Also, why is my system temp not showing up in Kima any more, it did, then I reinstalled Kubuntu, and it doesn't any more, is there a package that contains the sensors?
[11:08] <sl4mm3r> lm-sensors
[11:11] <sl4mm3r> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780
[11:11] <SauRjk> anyone tried kubuntu 8.04 and kde 4 ??
[11:12] <Jucato> anyone tried staying around long enough to be answered? :D
[11:14] <Nyad> I am
[11:15] <Nyad> oh
[11:15] <Nyad> lol
[11:15] <sl4mm3r> [=
[11:17] <Nyad> is there any difference between kate and kwrite or is it all just a question of personal preference
[11:17] <jpatrick> kwrite is stripped down version and base of kate
[11:19] <Nyad> jpatrick: tnx
[11:19] <SauRjk> kopete problem
[11:19] <user1> how can i shut down computer with a timer. say shutdown after 2 hours?
[11:20] <SauRjk> status in kopete is set to online
[11:20] <SauRjk> but others see me ass ofline
[11:20] <SauRjk> *as
[11:21] <Ginungaggap> morgen
[11:21] <Jucato> Nyad: kwrite and kate use the same "base" text editor (called katepart). they are basically just "wrappers" around katepart. KWrite is a simple wrapper while Kate is more advanced (Kate actually means KDE Advanced Text Editor)
[11:22] <Nyad> How do I find out what path gcc is using when I include things? eg #include <stdio.h>
[11:23] <stdin> Nyad: use -v
[11:28] <sourcemaker> how can I convert a ps file to pdf?
[11:30] <stdin> install ghostscript and use "ps2pdf file.ps file.pdf"
[11:43] <user1> how can i know the exact watts that my pc and my moniter takes? (need to calculate watts to buy a new ups) ?
[11:46] <illusion> user1:  there's a website where you can calc it
[11:46] <illusion> power consuming calculator on google
[11:47] <user1> k
[11:48] <v6lur> what package must i install to have konsole "autocomplete" dcop calls?
[11:50] <v6lur> so that when i type in "dcop amar" and then press tab, it completes it into "dcop amarok " and when i press tab again, shows available dcop-functions for amarok
[11:50] <v6lur> it worked in my old pc, but i don't remember what did i do for that
[11:54] <v6lur> works*
[11:54] <v6lur> both have kubuntu hardy
[12:07] <cracko> someone try to install cedega cvs ?? :>
[12:09] <neville_> Just use Wine, Cedega is pitiful
[12:10] <cracko> yep but wine do not open the game properly
[12:11] <v6lur> sure that cedega does?
[12:11] <cracko> not yet
[12:12] <Hamra> but isnt that what cedega is made for?
[12:12] <robbb> hi im trying to create a page in the wiki and it keeps me telling "A problem occurred in a Python script." ideas anyone?
[12:12] <_ZeuZ_> guys, what changes when I do dist-upgrade that it changes the distro name in the ttys ?
[12:13] <_ZeuZ_> appart from the obvious response
[12:13] <_ZeuZ_> I mean wich file holds that info
[12:13] <stdin> robbb: in our wiki?
[12:13] <llutz>  _ZeuZ_ /etc/motd  /etc/issue
[12:14] <_ZeuZ_> lovely, thanks.
[12:14] <_ZeuZ_> motd I knew
[12:14] <_ZeuZ_> issue, I didn't
[12:14] <robbb> stdin ubuntu/kubuntu wiki
[12:14] <robbb> this link for example: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FujitsuStylisticST4000?action=edit
[12:14] <stdin> robbb: nothing you can do about that then
[12:14] <_ZeuZ_> will it cause any trouble if I modify that Line?
[12:15] <llutz> _ZeuZ_: i doubt that
[12:15] <_ZeuZ_> !/etc/stdin
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about etc/stdin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:15] <_ZeuZ_> !/etc/issue
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about etc/issue - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:15] <_ZeuZ_> ¬¬
[12:16] <_ZeuZ_> just for the record, changing /etc/issue won't alterate the package downloading and stuff, right?
[12:16] <robbb> stdin great :)
[12:17] <stdin> _ZeuZ_: it will get overwritten when base-files gets updates
[12:17] <_ZeuZ_> what if I chmod it so that it cannot be changed?
[12:17] <stdin> chmod to what exactly?
[12:17] <llutz> _ZeuZ_: you may use dpkg-divert to prevent it from those changes
[12:17] <stdin> and what will you do when dpkg fails because of it not being able to install base-files?
[12:18] <_ZeuZ_> good question...
[12:18] <_ZeuZ_> well, then I guess I'll get a script to modify it back whenever base-files change their version...
[12:20] <llutz> _ZeuZ_:  use dpkg-divert
[12:20] <stdin> something like: dpkg-divert --divert /etc/issue --rename /etc/issue.distrib
[12:20] <llutz> that's a clean solution ^^
[12:20] <_ZeuZ_> :O Didn't thought of that...
[12:21] <iliya_> hi
[12:21] <_ZeuZ_> Well, I'm under hardy, seen an awesome performance, even though I've re-debianized it... that was the last thing I needed to change to remaster it...
[12:22] <_ZeuZ_> what about the last updates from hardy beta to hardy stable? is it recomendable to apply them now, or to wait 8 days more?
[12:22] <iliya_> Hi
[12:22] <iliya_> With gutsy, wireless is working for about two hours and than stops, restart isn't helping
[12:22] <iliya_> Knetwork manager -> device not found
[12:22] <iliya_> What to do?
[12:22] <iliya_> In windows, repair device helps
[12:23] <_ZeuZ_> iliya_ seems like hardware issue...
[12:23] <stdin> update whenever you feel like it, there's bound to be more in the next few days
[12:23] <iliya_> what to do
[12:23] <_ZeuZ_> stdin: should I expect regressions? or performance leaks?
[12:23] <stdin> no, just bug fixes
[12:24] <stdin> most things should be getting to the stable point now
[12:24] <_ZeuZ_> lovely, I had to take out the script that checks xorg...
[12:24] <_ZeuZ_> it locked me to 640*420
[12:24] <iliya_> in comand window wlan0 scan, shows list of networks
[12:24] <iliya_> but knetwork does not
[12:25] <_ZeuZ_> iliya_ seems like a problem with knetworkmanager, or with networkmanager/networkmanager-dispatcher...
[12:25] <_ZeuZ_> Try updating
[12:25] <iliya_> cry...
[12:25] <stdin> you should try feisty, it has newer drivers
[12:26] <stdin> erm, no you said gutsy
[12:26] <stdin> nevermind
[12:26] <_ZeuZ_> lol
[12:26] <iliya_> same reason I quit 6.06 7.04 and now 7.10 cryin at loud ;-)
[12:26] <stdin> you can download the hardy liveCD though, see if it will work when hardy ships
[12:27] <_ZeuZ_> stdin: do I need to reboot to make the change of the /etc/issue effective? because until now, it does not seem to be like /etc/motd.tail | /etc/motd
[12:28] <Dr_willis> i wonder if the kde4 wireless config stuff works better... heck ya could even try the gnome wireless config tools.
[12:28] <stdin> _ZeuZ_: it should just work
[12:28] <iliya_>  trie wirelesassistant but wont install, show some issue
[12:28] <Dr_willis> I thought a lot of those issue/motd files got generated at boot time
[12:29] <stdin> Dr_willis: both the gnome and kde frontends use the network-manager backed, so if one fails it's likely both will
[12:29] <Dr_willis> stdin,  i just recall on my laptop. i never could figure out one of them. :) the other one worked.. heh
[12:29] <Dr_willis> but i may be thinking of some OTHER alternative wireless config/icon/tools.
[12:29] <stdin> _ZeuZ_: there's also /etc/issue.net btw
[12:30] <stdin> i think it's only since gutsy that both use network-manager
[12:30] <iliya_> stdin, but I think network-manager is working, becouse list all networks at comand prompt
[12:31] <iliya_> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan , shows all networks
[12:31] <stdin> network-manager uses dbus and hal, it doesn't just "iwlist <device> scan"
[12:32] <iliya_> ?
[12:32] <stdin> hal is a hardware abstraction layer, dbus is a inter-process message bus
[12:33] <_ZeuZ_> so same thingy (divert) woulg go  to both files... right?
[12:34] <stdin> _ZeuZ_: yeah
[12:34] <_ZeuZ_> could you repeat the syntaxis once again?
[12:34] <stdin> something like: dpkg-divert --divert /etc/issue --rename /etc/issue.distrib
[12:34] <tobizaz> Hi, im having some problems installing Nvidia drivers on my laptop. tried enabeling the driver from restricted drivers in kubuntu, but when restarting X it says et failed to initialize the nvidia graphics device.. im running kubuntu 7.10 with a nvidia 7000 card.
[12:35] <_ZeuZ_> stdin: that would cause new /etc/issue files, to be copied to /etc/issue.distrib instead of /etc/issue right?
[12:36] <stdin> yeah, whenever something tries to install /etc/issue dpkg will rename it to /etc/issue.distrib
[12:38] <_ZeuZ_> I would need to do the same to /etc/issue.net right?
[12:39] <stdin> yeah, just change all the "issue"'s to "issue.net"'s
[12:39] <_ZeuZ_> well, the output pretty much confuse me...
[12:40] <_ZeuZ_> it says Adding local version of /etc/issue.distrib to /etc/issue.net
[12:40] <_ZeuZ_> whouldn't it be the other way around?
[12:41] <stdin> no, because you're applying it to /etc/issue.net
[12:41] <_ZeuZ_> sorry sorry, I meant:
[12:41] <_ZeuZ_> it says Adding local version of /etc/issue.distrib to /etc/issue
[12:43] <stdin> don't worry, it's the right syntax anyway. you can probably test it by dong "sudo apt-get --reinstall install base-files" and seeing if /etc/issue.distrib shows up
[12:43] <stdin> should do it when reinstalling, but i've never actually tried it like that
[12:44] <_ZeuZ_> cool, thanks... well, then I guess I'm going to wait for a couple of weeks until it gets stable to update anyways...
[12:46] <_ZeuZ_> !hydra
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hydra - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <_ZeuZ_> !thc'hydra
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thc'hydra - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <_ZeuZ_> !thc-hydra
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thc-hydra - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <_ZeuZ_> ¬¬ Now that's annoying
[12:46] <stdin> !msgthebot
[12:46] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[12:47] <iliya_> Hi
[12:47] <iliya_> With gutsy, wireless is working for about two hours and than stops, restart isn't helping
[12:47] <iliya_> Knetwork manager -> device not found
[12:47] <iliya_> in windows repair dewice helps
[12:47] <iliya_> What to do?
[12:47] <iliya_> > sudo iwlist wlan0 scan , shows all networks
[12:47] <iliya_> ok this is output on log out
[12:47] <iliya_> NetworkManage: <WARN> nm_utils_supplicant_request_with_check():nm_dewice_802_11_wireless_scansupplicant error for
[12:47] <iliya_> 'SCAN'Response '(some wired simbols) /NetworkManager/Devices/wlan0/Networks/DLINK_5f_WIRELESS'
[12:47] <iliya_>  
[12:47] <iliya_> nm_dewice_802_11_wireless_scan():could not triggerwireless scan on dewice wlan0: illegal seek
[12:47] <stdin> !paste > iliya_
[12:47] <stdin> please don't flood
[12:48] <_ZeuZ_> dlink? try the madwifi drivers...
[12:48] <iliya_> HiWith gutsy, wireless is working for about two hours and than stops, restart isn't helpingKnetwork manager -> device not foundin windows repair dewice helpsWhat to do?> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan , shows all networksok this is output on log outNetworkManage: <WARN> nm_utils_supplicant_request_with_check():nm_dewice_802_11_wireless_scansupplicant error for 'SCAN'Response '(some wired simbols) /NetworkManager/Devices/wlan0/Networks/DLINK_sorry
[12:48] <iliya_> sorry
[12:48] <_ZeuZ_> what packages would I need to install for building, compiling and creating debs ?
[12:48] <stdin> !packaging
[12:48] <_ZeuZ_> Debian has a metapackage for it...
[12:48] <stdin> ...
[12:48] <_ZeuZ_> !packaging
[12:49] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[12:49] <iliya_> it is not dlink it is gigabyte rt2561
[12:49] <_ZeuZ_> dlink chipset, or realtek chipset?
[12:49] <iliya_> realtek
[12:51] <iliya_> _ZeuZ_: i'm lookin for madwifi driwers
[12:51] <stdin> madwifi is for atheros
[12:51] <iliya_> :-(
[12:52] <_ZeuZ_> also for Dlink
[12:52] <placido> hi
[12:52] <_ZeuZ_> my 520+ works with them
[12:52] <stdin> hmm
[12:53] <iliya_> checking compatibility list, there is some gigabyte
[12:53] <Edulix> what kind of file is one that the command "file myfile.sdc" says it's "data"? unrecognized?
[12:54] <_ZeuZ_> !google +format +sdc
[12:54] <stdin> Edulix: means that it's not a recognised format and it's binary (not text)
[12:55] <Edulix> _ZeuZ_: do you really thin I haven't done already that? =)
[12:55] <_ZeuZ_> lol, just in case ;)
[12:55] <gmn> salve
[12:56] <stdin> http://filext.com/file-extension/SDC <- says it's an OOo spreadsheet
[12:56] <_ZeuZ_> what a good nickname, VistaKiller ^^
[12:56] <gmn> è la prima volta che entro
[12:56] <stdin> !it
[12:56] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:56] <gmn> c'è qlcn che parla italiano?
[12:56] <SlimeyPete> !it
[12:56] <stdin> ^ #ubuntu-it
[12:57] <SlimeyPete> !italian
[12:57] <SlimeyPete> oh yeah
[12:57] <SlimeyPete> teach me to read
[12:57] <gmn> tnk u
[13:05] <bill_> hello?
[13:06] <stephan_> I want to watch rmvb files on my computer, I would prefer to use Mplayer is this possible?  If not where can I download realplayer?
[13:06] <stephan_> hello bill.
[13:06] <bill_> hi ^^ do you or someone else know where the /etc/inittab in kubuntu 710 is ?
[13:07] <stdin> there is no inittab since gutsy
[13:07] <bill_> oh
[13:07] <bill_> ehm, maybe VLC can play rmvb ?
[13:08] <bill_> @stephan
[13:08] <stdin> stephan_: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealPlayerInstallationMethods (i think the w32codecs package has the codec too, see /msg ubotu w32codecs )
[13:08] <stephan_> My brother has VLC, he can't play rmvb files.  So I guess that means no
[13:10] <bill_> @stephan: http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm
[13:11] <stephan_> Thanks stdin I'll give it a try.
[13:11] <bill_> if that codecs are platform indepentend, looks like this page is windows stuff
[13:12] <_ZeuZ_> bill_ inittab == mtab
[13:12] <_ZeuZ_> I think xD
[13:12] <Dr_willis> i dident think vlc used the w32codecs.. they were all built in.
[13:12] <Dr_willis> inittab is not mtab.
[13:12] <_ZeuZ_> no
[13:12] <_ZeuZ_> but it contains the same information there
[13:12] <bill_> may the GUI settings allow to autologin a user anywhere? I cant find it
[13:13] <Dr_willis> Huh? What info?
[13:13] <stdin> _ZeuZ_: no
[13:13] <_ZeuZ_> the device, and partitions
[13:13] <stdin> that's not what inittab is
[13:13] <_ZeuZ_> oh, sorry xD my mistake
[13:13] <iliya_> ima li ko da zna sto da cinim sa ovim internetom
[13:14] <iliya_> zdravo
[13:14] <_ZeuZ_> inittab to mod the ammount of virtual consoles and stuff?
[13:14] <Areli1> Hello there, everyone. I am on Ubuntu right now, but i want to use KDE instead of GNOME. Too bad KDE crashes very often here on my computer, and kubuntu won't be an LTS release when hardy comes out. so what options do i have?
[13:14] <_ZeuZ_> install kubuntu gutsy/feisty?
[13:15] <timucin> Hi, can anybody givve me a hint how to transfer my kubuntu installation from one hard disk to another hard disk. My disk is failing and I do not want to setup from start, I'd like to copy all my disk to another new disk.
[13:15] <_ZeuZ_> !performance tweaks
[13:15] <Dr_willis> Areli1,  install the kubuntu-desktop package to install the kde desktop
[13:15] <Areli1> I've tried kubuntu once. on my pc, it was a mess. (gutsy). It went crashing all the time, flash didn't work, that kind of stuff
[13:15] <_ZeuZ_> !kubuntu performance tweaks
[13:15] <stdin> _ZeuZ_: /msg ubotu when you don't know if a factoid exists or not
[13:16] <Dr_willis> I dont recall kde crashing much for me at all.. if ever... flash - was/is an issue  due to the FLASH company. :) not kubuntu/ubuntu's fault.
[13:16] <_ZeuZ_> directly, not a KDE fault
[13:17] <_ZeuZ_> anyone has a guide to install rt73 based usb wireless adapter on hardy?
[13:18] <bill_> kde's tasklist just crashed *lol* by right-click "Systemsettings" -> Do in CLI , typing sudo before the cmd
[13:19] <romme> do the brightness keys on a laptop work for anyone here?
[13:19] <Dr_willis> romme,  they have worked on the 4-5 laptops ive had ubuntu on
[13:19] <_ZeuZ_> romme: in hardy, not for me...
[13:19] <tobizaz> Hi, im having problems getting the nvidia driver to work.. tried the restricted drivers management,but when starting x it gives the error "failed to initiialize the nvidia graphics device". im using an nvidia 7000 card on kubuntu 7.10
[13:20] <romme> Dr_willis: did you set it up manually or kde handled it automatically?
[13:21] <Dr_willis> romme,  i dident have to do anything :)
[13:23] <Dr_willis> ubuntu/kubuntu is one of the best disrtos ive see at detecting special keys on laptops/keyubards/media keys
[13:24] <ds187> tobizaz: no idea on that, but you could try an alternative way on installing nvidia drivers. look out this: http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[13:24] <romme> Dr_willis: presently i have to run gnome-power-manager (ugh) to handle the brightness
[13:25] <stdin> !away > Tripp_Away_
[13:25] <tobizaz> ds187: Already tried that, when doing anything in envy it tells me, that my system isn't supported
[13:28] <Areli1> Who here thinks gnome is 'clean and tidy'?
[13:28] <ds187> tobizaz: and you are really having an nvidia card? ;-)
[13:30] <Areli1> i mean, look at my screen: http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8606/wtfbm9.png
[13:31] <illusion> anybody knows what codec i need to install to play dvd's?
[13:32] <emilsedgh> !dvd
[13:32] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[13:32] <emilsedgh> illusion: ^
[13:32] <illusion> cant install "libdvdcss2" through apt-get, it does not exist
[13:32] <Dr_willis> illusion,  read thje bots factoid again. :)
[13:33] <illusion> kk
[13:33] <emilsedgh> !medibuntu | illusion
[13:33] <ubotu> illusion: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[13:34] <FreakyFred> Hey could you guys kelp me out? I am trying to install 7.10, but the X server says"No screens found" I am a linux noob and am not sure how to edit xorg.conf
[13:34] <tobizaz> ds187: yes i do ;)
[13:36] <yordan> има ли някои е
[13:43] <jussio1> !ru | yordan
[13:43] <ubotu> yordan: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[13:43] <romme> jussi01: it doesn't look like his message is in Russian
[13:43] <romme> s/jussi01/jussio1/
[13:43] <yordan> BG PLS
[13:44] <romme> yordan: so you look for support in Bulgarian?
[13:44] <Cannon> in linux are binaries installation packages and source ones that you build yourself?
[13:44] <yordan> yes
[13:45] <SlimeyPete> Cannon: more or less, yes.
[13:45] <Cannon> ta
[13:45] <tobizaz> Hi, im having problems getting the nvidia driver to work.. tried the restricted drivers management,but when starting x it gives the error "failed to initiialize the nvidia graphics device". im using an nvidia 7000 card on kubuntu 7.10
[13:45] <SlimeyPete> sometimes "binaries" refers to just pre-compiled executables, but usually it refers to some sort of installable package
[13:46] <Cannon> one other thing ... how do I find out which "version" of linux I have
[13:46] <Cannon> not sure if it's 7.04 or 7.10
[13:46] <SlimeyPete> Cannon: "lsb_release -a" in a terminal
[13:46] <Cannon> ta
[13:46] <Cannon> yey
[13:50] <yordan>  i have kubuntu 7.10 how to edin \etc\apt\sources.list
[13:50] <yordan> *edit
[13:51] <cracko> gedit /erc/apt/sources.list
[13:51] <cracko> etc*
[13:53] <f1rs> hi
[13:53] <SlimeyPete> hi
[13:55] <f1rs> i have a problem, my lan-card  RealTek RTL8139 works correctly in mode 100BaseT Half duplex, but it supports Full Duplex
[13:55] <f1rs> when i chage mode to Full Duplex, real speed is very low
[13:58] <f1rs> can you help me?
[13:59] <_ZeuZ_> hmmm.... I edited the text of the welcome screen on kcontrol module, now the kdm theme does not load... no kdm theme loads actually...
[13:59] <ubuntu> Hi everybody
[14:00] <user1> how can i know the exact watts that my pc and my moniter takes? (need to calculate watts to buy a new ups) ?
[14:00] <ubuntu> Sorry for my english, it depends from my weak mind :-)
[14:01] <mcgub> user1: http://www.amazon.com/P3-International-P4400-Electricity-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU
[14:02] <Hamra> a look on the power supply should tell you how much watts the pc is taking
[14:02] <user1> Hamra mcgub powersupply just says AC 230v  and on moniter it says 1.2A
[14:03] <mcgub> 230/1.2=191 watts
[14:03] <Hamra> you need to look at the power supply from the inside of your PC case, usually, there is a sticker with all the voltages and powers it outputs
[14:04] <llutz> mcgub: power = current x voltage
[14:05] <user1> Hamra hmm inside.. where. powner supply box is cealed
[14:05] <mcgub> heh...right you are...need more coffee
[14:06] <user1> llutz mcgub so whats the watts. 130 x 1.2 or 130/ 1.2  ?
[14:06] <ubuntu> bye bye guys
[14:06] <llutz> user1: monitor 1.2A then 230 x 1.2
[14:06] <mcgub> 276 watts
[14:06] <user1> hm
[14:07] <llutz> user1: very roughly
[14:07] <mcgub> indeed
[14:07] <user1> that wont be exact
[14:07] <user1> oops. 130v is for cpu
[14:07] <Hamra> sealed? weird, on all power supplies i've seen so far, the sticker is on the side, if i open the left side of the case, it should appear right infront of me!
[14:07] <llutz> user1: if you want exact values, use a very expensive meter to measure power consumption
[14:07] <user1> but i think that it would be 130v for moniter too. coz local power supply is around it
[14:08] <user1> llutz hm.
[14:08] <user1> llutz there arent any predefined specs?
[14:08] <mcgub> kill-a-awatt monitor is 25 bucks...not so bad
[14:08] <user1> of power
[14:08] <llutz> user1: with those 20$ meters you can also estimate.
[14:08] <jussio1> user1: all pc's are different
[14:08] <user1> i have dual coare 1.8   and syncmaster 15" monter
[14:08] <Hamra> why would you need to calculate? a 650 W ups is good enough, do you really think there is more power consumption than that?
[14:08] <user1> jussi01 ^
[14:08] <jussio1> user1: some pc's have  350w power supply, some 500, depends what you personally have
[14:09] <f1rs> anybody can help me with my problem?
[14:09] <jussio1> !ask | f1rs
[14:09] <ubotu> f1rs: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[14:09] <user1> jussi01 i have dual coare 1.8   and syncmaster 15" monter
[14:09] <llutz> even if you have a 800w ps it doesn't mean your pc needs/uses all that
[14:09] <jussio1> user1: that tells me nothing
[14:09] <user1> jussi01 how can i know what is my cpus watts. (without a meter)
[14:10] <user1> Hamra well i dont things its above 500
[14:10] <jussio1> user1: as others have tolsd you, go look on the power supply...
[14:10] <f1rs>  i have a problem, my lan-card  RealTek RTL8139 works correctly in mode 100BaseT Half duplex, but it supports Full Duplex.when i chage mode to Full Duplex, real speed is very low
[14:11] <user1> jussi01 i was afraid you gonna say it. i hate touching electric thingies
[14:11] <user1> jussi01 k. let me then. i have to shutdown then. i gues
[14:11] <jussio1> user1: just go buy a cheap meter, or buy a ups with enought power that you are sure
[14:11] <SlimeyPete> erm the power supply rating doesn't mean much anyway - chances are your PC doesn't use anywhere near the limit on the PSU
[14:11] <jussio1> user1: SlimeyPete is corrrect.
[14:11] <user1> jussi01 thats why i am looking for wats. to define 'enough'
[14:12] <user1> brb
[14:12] <jussio1> user1: as someone else said, 650 should be enough for most pc's
[14:12] <user1> SlimeyPete you mean it uses less then the defined in psu>?
[14:12] <ds187> f1rs: what is on the other end?
[14:12] <user1> jussi01 someone said my cpu uses 220 wats
[14:13] <user1> SlimeyPete you mean it uses less then the defined in psu>?
[14:13] <f1rs> ds187: on the other end of cable?
[14:13] <ds187> yes
[14:13] <f1rs> switch
[14:14] <SlimeyPete> user1: yes
[14:14] <ds187> so, what happens when you put the RTL into autonegotiation mode?
[14:14] <ds187> is it 100hd then?
[14:15] <f1rs> ds187: no, i can change mode to 100fd,  but the real speed is near 100kb/s, but when i change to 100hd, speed is near 5mb/s
[14:16] <ds187> f1rs: yes, you told allready, perhaps the port on the switch is set to 100hd and not autonegotiation, and so when the rtl is in 100fd mode and the switch in 100hd it gets collisions
[14:17] <ds187> so what happens when you put your NIC to autonegotiation.....is it automatically put to hd or fd?
[14:18] <ds187> is it a manageable switch?
[14:18] <f1rs> no
[14:18] <kingkong> hello
[14:18] <f1rs> in windows all works correctly
[14:18] <ds187> hmm
[14:18] <f1rs> sorry for my English
[14:18] <ds187> then use windows *duck*
[14:19] <ds187> my english isn't better :-)
[14:19] <f1rs> mb russian?)
[14:19] <wesley> how can i install the systemsettings that kubuntu default has without installing kubuntu desktop
[14:20] <ds187> !ru | f1rs
[14:20] <ubotu> f1rs: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[14:21] <f1rs> thanks
[14:23] <swapnil> hi , I'm trying to install AR242x 802.11abg Wireless on my laptop.
[14:23] <swapnil> Ndiswrapper crashes
[14:24] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all, i having problem with a "D-Link DFE-690TXD 10/100Base, CardBus , PCMCIA " (pcmcia ethernet adapter). It works fine at home, with an asus router, but i don't get ip at this place, with an old, buggy noname router. The syslog says: http://pastebin.com/m6cfd0b36
[14:24] <MetaMorfoziS> Has anybody an idea that what i need to adjust to get this work?
[14:25] <jussi01> MetaMorfoziS: on hardy or gutsy?
[14:25] <MetaMorfoziS> hardy
[14:25] <jussi01> MetaMorfoziS: #ubuntu+1 then :)
[14:25] <MetaMorfoziS> i don'T tthink that this is hardy related problem
[14:26] <MetaMorfoziS> as i said it works... i just need to adjust something idiot parameter or etc
[14:26] <swapnil> is there any other way to install Wireless Lan drivers
[14:26] <jussi01> MetaMorfoziS: if you are on a hardy system, please use #ubuntu+1
[14:26] <MetaMorfoziS> Anyways, if somebody knwos the answer, please tell/pm me.
[14:32] <swapnil> hi All, I'm trying to install Atheros wifi driver using ndiswrapper. When i do "modprobe ndiswrapper" my system crashes
[14:33] <swapnil> Pls help if there is any other method to install wifi drivers
[14:34] <user1> theres no software to measure watts consumed by me computer?
[14:35] <MetaMorfoziS> user1 > i don't remember the apps name, but there are a gui (For kde) that shows the acpi values
[14:35] <MetaMorfoziS> anyways, you can sightseeing in /proc/acpi
[14:36] <MetaMorfoziS> and if it supported then that can be useful for you
[14:36] <stdin> powertop?
[14:37] <user1> MetaBot how can i see it
[14:37] <MetaMorfoziS> for example "cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state " says the remaining/last etc capacity of my batts etc
[14:37] <kingkong> anyone installed ubuntu on ASUS R2E ?
[14:37] <MetaMorfoziS> for me they not supported but there are also a power_source and a processor directory in the /proc/acpi
[14:37] <MetaMorfoziS> i recomemnd you to check them
[14:38] <Hamra> in ksysguard, "system load" tab, there is a "load average (1 min)" graph, what is this?
[14:39] <user1> MetaMorfoziS theres nothing int that folder
[14:40] <stdin> Hamra: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing)
[14:40] <MetaMorfoziS> then acpi is not your friend:)
[14:40] <MetaMorfoziS> user1 > if you are on an intel based system (at least you have an intel processor) then powertop as stdin said is the answer for you
[14:41] <user1> MetaMorfoziS whats powertop
[14:42] <stdin> !info powertop
[14:42] <ubotu> powertop (source: powertop): linux tool to find out what is using power on a laptop. In component main, is extra. Version 1.8-1 (gutsy), package size 64 kB, installed size 396 kB
[14:43] <simulous> hey i think all i need to say to begin with here is ive always'd used windows...So, my problem...how in the name of KUBUNTU! do i install flash player in to firefox!: :*(
[14:44] <simulous> firefox
[14:44] <jussio1> !flash
[14:44] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[14:44] <jussio1> simulous: ^^
[14:44] <simulous> cheers mate your a legend
[14:44] <Hamra> thnx for the article
[14:44] <jussio1> hehe
[14:45] <diazamet> Is is safe to do an upgrade directly from feisty to hardy?
[14:46] <jussio1> diazamet: no
[14:46] <jussio1> diazamet: you need to go via gutsy
[14:46] <diazamet> thanks
[14:48] <stdin> and wait until hardy is released preferably
[14:49] <Hamra> powertop give a lot of suggestions at the bottom, is it safe to apply anything it suggests?
[14:49] <user1> what is powertop?
[14:49] <stdin> depends, generally yes
[14:49] <stdin> !info powertop > user1
[14:50] <user1> stdin thats for only laptops i gues
[14:50] <stdin> yeah
[15:05] <groudwar> Здрасьте
[15:08] <mohi> !ru | groudwar
[15:08] <ubotu> groudwar: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[15:10] <user1> which app gives me complete info about cput. like cpuz on windows does?
[15:12] <ilija_> hi
[15:12] <ilija_> how to restart network device
[15:13] <Hamra> openoffice is not seeing my digital signatures, kde recognizes them and all kde applications that might use them, can see them (like kmail), but openoffice is not seeing them!
[15:13] <MacDoc> ifconfig eth0 restart
[15:13] <ilija_> wireless device
[15:13] <Hamra> user1: see kinfocenter
[15:14] <MacDoc> ifconfig device_name restart
[15:14] <MacDoc> òóò óòîíèòü ïî ðóññêè ãîâîðèò?
[15:15] <user1> Hamra what sthat
[15:16] <user1> Hamra whats that
[15:16] <user1> !kinfocenter
[15:16] <Hamra> user1: press "ALT+F2", type "kinfocenter", and then go to the processor tab
[15:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kinfocenter - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:16] <pharsalus> !sources.list
[15:16] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[15:18] <user1> Hamra stdin  i wanted to check sleepsteping suport
[15:19] <user1> thats not visible there
[15:20] <pharsalus> I need a working copy of sources.list for Kubuntu gutsy as I foolishly edited it myself and accidentally deleted it. Anyone can assist? :3
[15:20] <stdin> pharsalus: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
[15:21] <pharsalus> stdin: Will try that, thanks.
[15:21] <Pliskin> pharsalus : http://sourceslist.org
[15:21] <user1> Hamra stdin  i wanted to check sleepsteping suport
[15:21] <user1> thats not visible there
[15:22] <stdin> pharsalus: adept can also regenerate it
[15:26] <pharsalus> stdin: I've replaced sources.list in /etc/apt with the one from APT documentation, but the "third Party Software" tab displays an empty list.
[15:27] <stdin> pharsalus: there aren't any third party repos enabled by default
[15:27] <ds187> that's why they are called "third party"
[15:27] <pharsalus> Ahhh of course, thanks.
[15:36] <user1> what hardware support can i get by a guest os in vbox. linux as host.  usb pci port. com port. 3d accelaration , direct x support for games. etc.?
[15:40] <BizMan2008> hey guys, i set up a new ubuntu machine, and i always setup vnc through ssh
[15:40] <BizMan2008> ive down this countless times
[15:40] <BizMan2008> but for whatever reason, on this machine
[15:40] <BizMan2008> i can ssh, but not vnc afterwords
[15:40] <BizMan2008> it says connection initiated, and ends there
[15:40] <BizMan2008> any ideas?
[15:41] <PhilRod> can you put vncserver in debug mode?
[15:41] <PhilRod> maybe there's an option for it not to go to background
[15:41] <user1> what hardware support can i get by a guest os in vbox. linux as host.  usb pci port. com port. 3d accelaration , direct x support for games. etc.?                 or does any other virutalisation app gives more options  for that?             any suggestions?
[15:42] <romme> how can i adjust my backlight without running gnome-power-manager?
[15:43] <BizMan2008> PhilRod: all i did was do a reformat and reinstall of kubuntu, and set it up like i have every other time
[15:43] <BizMan2008> i use x11vnc for my vnc server
[15:44] <PhilRod> BizMan2008: yeah, I don't really hve any specific ideas, I'm just wondering whether vnc has some options that'll help you debug the problem
[15:45] <BizMan2008> i dunno if its my kubuntu machine or the putty
[15:45] <BizMan2008> but nothing has changed
[15:45] <BizMan2008> im going from windows to linux
[16:08] <Roey> hi
[16:09] <Roey> why is there no scanner.ko module?
[16:09] <Roey> I try modprobe scanner and it tells me there's no such module.
[16:09] <Roey> eh??
[16:10] <blekos> hi, could you tell me the channel 4 8.04
[16:10] <blekos> ?
[16:10] <SlimeyPete> #ubuntu+1
[16:10] <Bauldrick> hi
[16:11] <jussi01> hi
[16:11] <SlimeyPete> hi
[16:11] <Josh0vki> hi
[16:11] <Bauldrick> how do i extract a file thats passwd protected? i get an error
[16:11] <blekos> hi, do u know if the issues with wireless have been resolved?
[16:11] <crimsun> Roey: because it's obsolete in Linux 2.6.  Use libusb instead.  For an end user, this means sane should be handling it instead.
[16:11] <blekos> sosrry wrong channel
[16:11] <prateek> hi everybdy
[16:12] <crimsun> Roey: and by "Use libusb instead", I mean that applications must use libusb instead, not that an end user should.
[16:12] <Roey> hrm
[16:13] <crimsun> Roey: in fact, we blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-scanner, which is shipped by the libsane package.
[16:13] <Roey> ok
[16:13] <prateek> hw can i force kubuntu to get games from Live CD
[16:13] <Roey> but I plug in my scanner and yet xsane doesn't find any scanners listed...
[16:13] <Roey> crimsun:  I've never experienced this problem before...
[16:13] <Roey> crimsun:  <Roey> but I plug in my scanner and yet xsane doesn't find any scanners listed...
[16:13] <crimsun> Roey: well, you know what source package to file a source against...
[16:13] <Roey> I don't
[16:13] <Roey> I have no idea.
[16:13] <Roey> libusb? xsane?
[16:13] <Roey> crimsun:  is it a bug?
[16:13] <crimsun> yes
[16:13] <Roey> should it be working out-of-the-box?
[16:14] <crimsun> yes
[16:14] <Roey> k..
[16:14] <Roey> 11:15:02 ~ uname -a
[16:14] <Roey> Linux gear 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 22:31:43 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:14] <Roey> I wonder if it was fixed since -12
[16:14] <Roey> (on hardy heron here)
[16:14] <crimsun> well, you should be using -16 unless you use Nvidia.
[16:14] <crimsun> (dishes time)
[16:17] <Bauldrick> y
[16:17] <Seren> !recovery
[16:17] <ubotu> To rescue a broken system, boot the alternate install CD and select "Rescue a broken system"
[16:17] <Roey> crimsun:  I'm using nvidia...
[16:17] <Roey> crimsun, is there a problem with -16 wrt/ nvidia??
[16:17] <Seren> my system is not broken but I am looking for a link
[16:17] <Seren> ( omg I am talking to the bot )
[16:17] <amerigo> ! archade
[16:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about archade - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:18] <amerigo> ! games
[16:18] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[16:18] <Seren> ! live cd
[16:18] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Desktop CD is a "LiveCD" which can be run without altering existing files on your harddrive. Especially useful for testing your hardware's compatibility, it also includes an install option.
[16:24] <Odd-rationale> How do I browse nfs shares in kubuntu?
[16:24] <sivaji> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[16:27] <Odd-rationale> sivaji: I've read that. when I do "sudo mount x.x.x.x:/folder /mnt" it seems to mount fine. But when I do "cd /mnt" i get Permission denied. Is this a problem at my end or the server?
[16:28] <sivaji> Odd-rationale i think you dont have permission to access the file @ server
[16:29]  * sivaji havent tried nfs
[16:29] <Odd-rationale> sivaji: ok. any idea of what to do on the server end?
[16:30] <sivaji> Odd-rationale you get Permission denied right then you need to change the file permission isnt it ?
[16:30] <Odd-rationale> sivaji: sudo chmod -R 755 /mnt ?
[16:31] <Odd-rationale> sivaji: on my end or on the server?
[16:31] <Odd-rationale> sivaji: I haven't done nfs either... ;)
[16:32] <sivaji> Odd-rationale better you ask this @ #ubuntu or #linux
[16:33] <Odd-rationale> sivaji: I tried in #ubuntu. no answer...
[16:34] <sivaji> try #linux , #linux-india
[16:36] <fdoving> Odd-rationale: you need to set the proper permissions on the server-side.
[16:36] <fdoving> Odd-rationale: you can test by making a directory inside the mount, then set it's permissions to 777, then inside it make a file from the client.
[16:37] <Odd-rationale> fdoving: do I also need to be part of a group?
[16:37] <fdoving> Odd-rationale: that way you'll see what username and group the user gets on the server, and then you'll know who to give access to write.
[16:37] <fdoving> Odd-rationale: all users are part of a group by default, don't think more about the groups, it's just there. :)
[16:38] <Odd-rationale> fdoving: ok. but what do you mean by "make a dir inside the mount"? I can't get into /mnt
[16:38] <fdoving> Odd-rationale: on the server. go to the shared location, then 'mkdir' there.
[16:40] <Odd-rationale> fdoving: so on the server, make a dir with 777 permision?
[16:40] <fdoving> Odd-rationale: yes. inside the directory you have shared.
[16:41] <Odd-rationale> fdoving: then on the client, create a file in the newly created dir with 777 permisions?
[16:41] <Odd-rationale> *create a file
[16:42] <fdoving> yep.
[16:42] <Odd-rationale> fdoving: ok let me try that. Thanks! brb
[16:48] <blekos> i am deleting and iso file 4.4 gb from my ntfs partition and is taking ages, is tha normal? would it be faster if i issued a command (??) to directly deleted instead of having it in the recycle bin?
[16:48] <BizMan2008> any vnc client that displays screen 0 other than x11vnc
[16:48] <fdoving> blekos: yes, that would be faster. as it now first is moving the file, then really deleting it once you empty the trash.
[16:50] <fdoving> BizMan2008: krfb, kde-thing, but it's not that good as far as i know. you can try.
[16:50] <blekos> is there a spefic command 2 do that or i can do like windows  shift+del?
[16:50] <fdoving> blekos: i think you can do it like windows.
[16:50] <blekos> thnx
[16:52] <BizMan2008> yeah no good
[16:52] <BizMan2008> i gotta go from windows to linux
[16:53] <kikoloco> hi
[16:53] <makdaknife> hello
[16:53] <kikoloco> who is yuo
[16:54] <makdaknife> anyone know if vmware server is running properly on hardy?
[16:54] <makdaknife> !vmware
[16:54] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[16:54] <Jucato> makdaknife: maybe the people in #ubuntu+1 would know
[16:55] <makdaknife> Jucato: thanks... will check it out
[16:59] <spine55> hello everyone
[17:01] <linuxlover> I need to find all files which are less than 500 KB, which command should I use to search with that criteria
[17:02] <makdaknife> linuxlover: find
[17:03] <jeffrey> any way to make the KDE4.0 livecd boot to 16bit color mode instead of 24?
[17:03] <jeffrey> i can't seem to ctrl-alt-f#
[17:03] <linuxlover> makdaknife: would you plese tell me how do I find those files using the command find? please help, i am a newbie
[17:04] <fdoving> linuxlover: find . -size -500k
[17:04] <makdaknife> linuxlover: open konsole... find ./ -size +500k
[17:05] <makdaknife> linuxlover: open konsole... find ./ -size -500k
[17:05] <fdoving> linuxlover: that would start in the current directory, the dot (.) search for files with size less than 500k.
[17:05] <makdaknife> sorry was looking for files greater than 500k
[17:05] <linuxlover> ok I am trying it...
[17:06] <makdaknife> linuxlover: find / -size -500k (this will search your entire hard disk)
[17:07] <makdaknife> linuxlover: you may also want to check out filelight to hunt for large files etc
[17:08] <fdoving> and you can use kfind to search for files too, easier to figure out its options than to use find on the commandline.
[17:09] <linuxlover> thank you makdaknife............. your help lead me to successfully search those files. my best regards to you
[17:09] <makdaknife> linuxlover: np find is a very powerful tool... you can find out a whole lot more about it by typing 'man find' in konsole
[17:10] <matthew_> How can I find a package to install, if the app name is only one   letter, "r"?
[17:10] <yenny_29> hola
[17:12] <linuxlover> ok
[17:12] <linuxlover> getting a closer look at man find
[17:13] <matthew_> I am using apt-cache search..
[17:13] <catweazle> matthew_: apt-get install r TAB TAB
[17:14] <romme> i need help with the kde bug database
[17:21] <jeffrey> any way to force 16bit color on the 8.04 livecd?
[17:25] <jussio1> jeffrey: not certain, there may be a boot option. probably better to ask in #ubuntu+1
[17:38] <mefisto__> I need help setting up mythtv on gutsy. can anyone help me through it?
[17:54] <harmental> hey guys...im looking for a tool reprenting a chronometer....
[17:54] <harmental> any idas?
[17:56] <_myrtille_> have you tried kARM, i think it has a stopwatch?
[17:58] <flipstar> there is also an program called 'stopwatch' in the universe repos
[17:58] <flipstar> its simple but works great
[17:58] <allnickstaken> I have an unusual issue. I have a pc at a place where only wireless exists and I accidentally uninstalled knetworkmanager
[17:58] <allnickstaken> is there any downloads for the .deb?
[17:58] <allnickstaken> so I can burn it to a cd
[17:59] <SlimeyPete> allnickstaken: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/knetworkmanager
[17:59] <allnickstaken> replace gutsy with feisty since I haven't upgraded?
[17:59] <harmental> flipstar: yeah...i was wondering if anything else existed....i need eye candy...
[18:00] <SlimeyPete> allnickstaken: yeah
[18:00] <allnickstaken> thanks for the help :)
[18:00] <SlimeyPete> no problem
[18:02] <flipstar> harmental: maybe karm then
[18:03] <gon> !limewire
[18:04] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install /msg ubotu java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider /msg ubotu FrostWire as an alternative.
[18:04] <flipstar> !find timer | harmental
[18:04] <ubotu> harmental: Found: gtimer, ktimer, libtemplate-timer-perl, timer-applet, wmtimer (and 1 others)
[18:06] <harmental> flipstar: i think stopwatch will do the trick for now...
[18:07] <harmental> thx!
[18:07] <gon> !msg ubotu java first
[18:10] <gon> !msg
[18:10] <ubotu> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit AND help you. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude.
[18:12] <allnickstaken> oh and found the source to a much newer version. Is it advisable to install it? I have issues with current knetworkmanager for Kubuntu
[18:12] <allnickstaken> it seems to crash on nets that use WPA
[18:13] <flipstar> gon: use /msg ubotu <issue>
[18:13] <flipstar> allnickstaken: if this is still for your distro..sure
[18:14] <SlimeyPete> allnickstaken: it might not work correctly with your older networkmanager
[18:18] <allnickstaken> it's a general source from the maker but maybe I can try. I do have a custom kernel. Not sure if that kills its stability in some way
[18:19] <snikker> i've got a problem with KsCd. it tell me thst i've no permission to read cd... (same thing with sudo)
[18:25] <user1> is there a v goog gui for system stats. that tells all about cpu... ALL i mean. or max one can think off.?
[18:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[18:27] <emilsedgh> user1: try kde-look.org, look for karamba's there
[18:27] <emilsedgh> user1: and superkaramba
[18:28] <user1> Daisuke_Ido gui.. needed
[18:28] <user1> like cpu. ram, hardisk etc..
[18:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> wanted, perhaps
[18:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> but as i was starting to say
[18:28] <flipstar> user1: check out gkrellm
[18:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> there's surely a gui wrapper for that info
[18:28] <user1> ya
[18:29] <user1> flipstar emilsedgh k
[18:29] <NickPresta> user1, superkaramba, gkrellm, gdesklets, sysinfo
[18:30] <user1> flipstar no such package as gkrellm
[18:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> !info gkrellm
[18:30] <ubotu> gkrellm (source: gkrellm): The GNU Krell Monitors. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.10-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 776 kB, installed size 2160 kB
[18:30] <flipstar> user1: its in universe
[18:30] <user1> NickPresta none of the pacages are in kubuntu repos
[18:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> then you have a pretty major issue with your repos
[18:30] <flipstar> user1: you have to enable the universe repos for that
[18:31] <NickPresta> user1, sure they are. That is where I got them from. Make sure you have the universe and multiverse repos.
[18:31] <NickPresta> !universe
[18:31] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[18:31] <mefisto__> user1: kinfocenter perhaps?
[18:31] <user1> flipstar ic
[18:31] <user1> NickPresta thx
[18:31] <user1> flipstar thx
[18:32] <user1> mefisto__ need realtime system stats.
[18:33] <NickPresta> user1, ah. I don't think sysinfo gives you real time stats. The rest I mentioned do though.
[18:34] <user1> k
[18:34] <flipstar> user1: per default gkrellm show only a few..for temperatur, fans and power values install mbmon and hddtemp (these are deamons gkrellm can use)
[18:34] <user1> i hope they are quite extensively informative at aglace
[18:34] <user1> glance
[18:35] <user1> ic
[18:37] <flipstar> user1: it might take some time to configure..but then it will look like this http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7869/full4uu4.png
[18:38] <flipstar> at least it could..there are a lot of plugins
[18:39] <user1> hm
[18:39] <Cannon> if i load kubuntu off the live cd is it normal to lock the drive so I can't open it?
[18:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> uh...  yeah.
[18:39] <user1> let me see
[18:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> if it doesn't lock the drive, it's going to go fetch something that isn't in ram, and crash like the hindenburg
[18:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> (if you were to switch discs, that is)
[18:39] <Cannon> lol
[18:40] <saki> But...but...but...
[18:40] <Cannon> well i loaded it as a desparate measure ... am trying to give CentOS a go
[18:40] <Cannon> but hwne I instal;l that am not getting internet access
[18:40] <saki> The Hindenburg was one of the greatest marvels of technology.
[18:40] <Level15> Hi. I need to install a PIM server. What do you recommend?
[18:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> saki: so was the titanic, it still crashed :)
[18:40] <saki> =D
[18:40] <Cannon> lol
[18:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> i know nothing about centos :\
[18:42] <saki> Yeah, its Red Hat.
[18:42] <Cannon> nobody is responding in their irc :(
[18:42] <Cannon> even though it's over 300 strong
[18:42] <saki> Like I said, its Red Hat.
[18:42] <saki> Nobody cares.
[18:42] <saki> xD
[18:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> i know that, but i don't really have experience with redhat/fedora/centos at all :\
[18:43] <Cannon> :O
[18:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> there are red hat people, there are debian people, and there are others.
[18:43] <rootlinuxusr> and then there is the custom-builders!
[18:43] <saki> I'm like a confused linux user.
[18:43] <rootlinuxusr> and gentoo'ers
[18:43] <Cannon> i like kubuntu but my coding friend wants centos
[18:43] <saki> I have gentoo on two boxes, kubunt on another, and then LFS on my laptop.
[18:43] <rootlinuxusr> centos is cool, good for servers
[18:43] <saki> kubuntu*
[18:44] <rootlinuxusr> based on the gentoo, and LFS you're a custom-er
[18:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> one of these days i'll build a server...
[18:44] <rootlinuxusr> i myself love the entire apt-get, .deb system. whether it's 'buntu, or debian. Knoppix for LiveCD/DVD's =]
[18:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> right now all the file serving is done off of my desktop machine
[18:44] <martijn81> !aptfix | martijn81
[18:45] <saki> Yeah, thats why I threw Kubuntu on my main desktop.
[18:45] <Cannon> it's not easy ... at least for somebody with no experience and on meds :( lol
[18:45] <saki> Its rather quick and easy to use.
[18:45] <Cannon> it's hard to learn on meds period!
[18:45] <rootlinuxusr> haha meds.
[18:45] <flipstar> its also highly configureable :=)
[18:46] <Cannon> are you familiar with centos flipstar?
[18:46] <saki> Cannon, what are you trying to do?
[18:46] <flipstar> not really
[18:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> Cannon: the ONLY way to learn gentoo is on meds :)
[18:46] <Cannon> lol, install it with internet access
[18:47] <Cannon> LOL Daisuke_Laptop
[18:47] <saki> ... =(
[18:47] <Cannon> with a default install I had no interwebs
[18:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> however, it's worth it for the extra bit of performance you can squeeze out of a customized gentoo install
[18:47] <Thecks> OK, I have an issue and it would be awesome if somebody knows. I'm using Kubuntu and trying to view the other partitions (NTFS) the hard drive shows but it doesn't show any files inside. Basically, it's mounted but it's not reading it or something, any ideas?
[18:47] <saki> Did you setup your network properly?
[18:47] <Cannon> tried to configure it manually with ip, gateway, subnet and I haven't a clue what am doing
[18:48] <Cannon> well all the cables are plugged in like with the live cd! lol
[18:48] <Cannon> surely it should be automatic
[18:48] <Cannon> ?
[18:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> set it acquire a dhcp address automatically?
[18:48] <Cannon> yup
[18:48] <Cannon> didn't work
[18:48] <saki> Was your device setup properly?
[18:49] <Cannon> how do you mean?
[18:49] <saki> and do you have more than one NIC?
[18:49] <Cannon> NIC?
[18:49] <saki> Did your computer detect your Network Interface properly?
[18:49] <Cannon> when it was loading up it assumed there was a network cable unplugged
[18:49] <Cannon> it was the only [FAILED]
[18:50] <Cannon> but on a reboot the this live cd thats not the case
[18:50] <Cannon> everything is wired as it was with my kubuntu
[18:50] <Cannon> it is somewhat of a pain in the ASCII!
[18:50] <jontec> is there a quick and simple way for me to make a list of all of the packages that I currently have installed?
[18:51] <user1> An error occurred while enabling /media/cdrom.
[18:51] <user1> The system reported: mount: special device <device> does not existn
[18:52] <Cannon> bbiab
[18:52] <flipstar> jontec: dpkg -l
[18:52] <jontec> flipstar: gracias
[18:52] <Cannon> grassy ass?
[18:52] <Cannon> how ruuuuuuuuuuuuuude!
[18:53] <user1> An error occurred while enabling /media/cdrom.
[18:53] <user1> The system reported: mount: special device <device> does not exist  i inserted cd. it was not auto mounted as before. i manully tried. and the eror came
[18:55] <Level15> has anyone here used zimbra?
[18:56] <Daviey> Level15: yes
[18:56] <flipstar> user1: the mountpoint probably doesnt exist,try creating it first!
[18:57] <flipstar> btw how did you mount it manually ? the cdrom probably is /dev/scd0
[19:06] <snikker> i've got a problem with KsCd. it tell me thst i've no permission to read cd... (same thing with sudo)
[19:23] <kaminix> Anyone got a repo for new Amarok 1.4.9.1?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> prolly in beta or some such, kaminix  ...alternate open source may the only way
[19:26] <kaminix> http://amarok.kde.org/en/node/454  Not in beta. ^^
[19:38] <billybobo231> what is a good app to publish to a blog? (blogger/blogspot)
[19:39] <rickey> hoe do i upgrade to 710 from704
[19:40] <rickey> what do i write in adept manger
[19:40] <mcgub> billybobo231: scribefire addon for firefox
[19:41] <flipstar> !upgrade | rickey
[19:41] <ubotu> rickey: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[19:41] <billybobo231> anything for kde?  therwise that sounds nice, thanks mcgub
[19:42] <flipstar> !find blogger
[19:42] <ubotu> Found: kicker-kblogger, liblogger-syslog-perl, nanoblogger, nanoblogger-extra
[19:42] <flipstar> adept might list more
[19:44] <billybobo231> thats great, thanks!
[19:49] <ubuntuLive> is there anything like Starburn for Windows that works for Linux?
[19:49] <flipstar> what actually is starburn ?
[19:49] <ubuntuLive> an intermedite burner
[19:49] <ubuntuLive> burns CDs and DVDs
[19:49] <ubuntuLive> no offence, but it looks better then K3B
[19:49] <flipstar> you might try brasero
[19:50] <ubuntuLive> right now I'm using the live CD of Kubuntu's last version, but I'll check it out
[19:50] <flipstar> in hardy brasero is default
[19:50] <flipstar> if you mean hardy with latest..
[19:51] <dwidmann> flipstar: only default if you're using gnome
[19:51] <ubuntuLive> and I'm using KDE
[19:51] <coreymon77> ubuntuLive: there are many cd buring programs for linux, you just have to get them
[19:51] <coreymon77> ubuntuLive: and youre on the livecd, so, thigns are minimal
[19:51] <ubuntuLive> coreymon77: Aware. It will be installed once the new Kubuntu comes out, for I'm sick of Windows XP crashing on me
[19:52] <coreymon77> ubuntuLive: btw, kde or gnome makes no diff, gnome apps can run on kde and vice versa
[19:52] <ubuntuLive> That I already knew as well.
[19:52] <ubuntuLive> I just need some names to google so I can take a look
[19:52] <flipstar> http://www.gnome.org/projects/brasero/screenshots.html
[19:53] <flipstar> would look similar on kde i guess
[19:53] <coreymon77> ubuntuLive: i would actually look on apt firtst
[19:53] <coreymon77> first*
[19:53] <ubuntuLive> is there also something like Q10? It's a full screen text editor, and it's useful for my writing
[19:54] <ubuntuLive> Brasero looks like it fits the bill :)
[19:54] <flipstar> ubuntuLive: there are dozen of text/code editors
[19:55] <ubuntuLive> flipstar: Any fullscreen ones though with not many distractions?
[19:55] <coreymon77> ubuntuLive: linux is a full os, jsut like windows, all you have to do is a little apt-cache search or google searching, and you should find what you need
[19:55] <dwidmann> ubuntuLive: vim :)
[19:57] <coreymon77> ubuntuLive: anything that exists for windows will most likely have some sort of alternative for linux
[19:57] <ubuntuLive> coreymon77: Fully aware. This is the third time I've tried Linux. And like I said, sick of Windows. The reason why I'm here and asking because I worry from Viruses and whatnot. I know it's next to impossible to get one on Linux... but as someone who has Windows Vista on a laptop that's crap, it makes me worry all the same
[19:58] <ubuntuLive> dwidmann: If I remember correctly, it wasn't going to do the job... I don't remember offhand
[19:58] <coreymon77> dont worry, linux is not some hackers os, its a regular os with programs that you need
[19:58] <blekos> is there a deamon tool for linux?
[19:58] <coreymon77> although sometimes you have to make concessions
[19:59] <dwidmann> blekos: daemon tool?
[19:59] <ubuntuLive> coreymon77: Consitering most of my games are old, they will work with Wine if I remember correctly. And if not, I can cheat, run Windows in a vitural machine.
[19:59] <coreymon77> yup
[19:59] <blekos> to mount/ read an iso image
[19:59] <dwidmann> ubuntuLive: games don't generally run well in virtual machines
[19:59] <blekos> virtual cd/dvd
[20:00] <coreymon77> i would think so
[20:00] <ubuntuLive> dwidmann: Steam seemed to work fine when I ran it on the virtual machine in Vista
[20:00] <flipstar> blekos: you can use the command 'mount' for that
[20:00] <coreymon77> flipstar: isnt there some sort of graphical agent for that on apt
[20:00] <flipstar> coreymon77: gisomount..yes
[20:01] <coreymon77> blekos: there you go
[20:01] <flipstar> ubuntuLive: there is wine and cegega(non-free but better than wine) for win-games
[20:02] <blekos> so mount xx.iso /media/cd0?
[20:02] <flipstar> *cedega
[20:02] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: what VM were you using? I once tried playing Diablo 2 in a virtual machine (vmware-server) and the frame-rates were pretty bad, playable but bad, anything newer would probably be even worse
[20:02] <ubuntuLive> flipstar: Aware. I've read a lot into Linux while my XP was crashing, thank god.
[20:02] <dwidmann> wait, not BluesKaj....... mixing up my tabs
[20:02] <coreymon77> ubuntuLive: there is also partitioning your drive and keeping doze on your computer purely for the reason of playing games
[20:02] <flipstar> blekos: sudo mount -o loop <iso> <mountpoint>
[20:02] <blekos> thnx
[20:03] <coreymon77> i never run in to those problems since im much more of a console gamer anyways
[20:03] <dwidmann> ubuntuLive: see above .....
[20:03] <coreymon77> i like ut, but they have linux versions anyways
[20:03] <ubuntuLive> coreymon77: Meh. If they don't work I can wait. For the time being, better things can be done. I can finish my book...Vim doesn't cut the cake for the test editor
[20:03] <flipstar> ubuntuLive: linux is boring in that way..i run 'crashme' several hourse but it never crashes :(
[20:04] <ubuntuLive> dwidmann: Uh... not the M$ shat one, the opensource one... don't remember the number
[20:05] <dwidmann> ubuntuLive: m$ shat one? vmware-server isn't a microsoft piece of crap either ...
[20:05] <coreymon77> vmware is by vmware
[20:05] <ubuntuLive> dwidmann: I meant, I wasn't using the MS one. MS Virtual PC 2007. I used a different one but I don't remember it's name
[20:05] <coreymon77> ubuntuLive: vmware?
[20:06] <ubuntuLive> Maybe
[20:06] <ubuntuLive> I'm waiting on Vista to load SP1 so I can't tell you yet
[20:06] <dwidmann> ubuntuLive: at any rate, gaming in a windows vm with vmware doesn't work very well, seeing as it won't give the video card direct access
[20:07] <ubuntuLive> dwidmann: So Cedega and Wine would be best?
[20:07] <coreymon77> ubuntuLive: hate to say it, but thats what you get for buying vista
[20:08] <bnex10> going to do something, and have to reboot
[20:08] <ubuntuLive> coreymon77: Hey, if gateway let me roll back to XP, I wouldn't be shitting bricks about coming to Linux
[20:08] <dwidmann> ubuntuLive: yeah, pretty much, look them up on apps.db.org ... anything not rated "platinum" or "gold" is likely to have a bundle of issues
[20:09] <coreymon77> well, when i got my laptop, i got a mac
[20:09] <ubuntuLive> coreymon77: Thanks to Gateway's poor handling of Windows Vista on me, I've trying to get away. Apple isn't a choice, too pricy.
[20:09] <coreymon77> so i have the mac lappy and the linux desktop
[20:09] <dwidmann> ubuntuLive: Linux = cheap and good :)
[20:10] <ubuntuLive> dwidmann: I wish the music player I used on Windows worked on Linux but no dice. Close... but only by name.
[20:10] <ubuntuLive> dwidmann: Exactly.
[20:10] <coreymon77> ubuntuLive: kaffeine or amarok = good
[20:10] <dwidmann> ubuntuLive: what sort of music player are you looking for, because there are tons, pretty much anything to suit anybody
[20:10] <ubuntuLive> I read on Gizmodo that Mac was hacked in two days, Vista within a week... Ubuntu not within the month.
[20:10] <coreymon77> i somehow doubt that
[20:11] <ubuntuLive> dwidmann: Something that looks small but plays a lot
[20:11] <coreymon77> its easier to hack doze than a mac
[20:11] <dwidmann> cli musicplayers, fully loaded gui players, and everything inbetween ...
[20:11] <ubuntuLive> The KMPlayer
[20:11] <SlimeyPete> ubuntuLive: that's possibly a little misleading though, as the Windows and Mac boxes were naturally more enticing targets for the hackers involved
[20:11] <ubuntuLive> SlimeyPete: I heard they had rewards for all though.
[20:11] <SlimeyPete> also, the vulnerability was in the Flash player, and the same problem exists in the Ubuntu port
[20:11] <dwidmann> ubuntuLive: kmplayer? mplayer? vlc? kaffeine? (those all double as movie players), xmms (very good, reminds me of winamp 3)
[20:11] <ubuntuLive> Gimme a minute, I can dig it up
[20:12] <coreymon77> w/e, im going to play wii
[20:12] <SlimeyPete> ubuntuLive: yes, but the rewards were not very high - they would have been mostly looking for kudos and publicity
[20:12] <snikker> i've got a problem with KsCd. it tell me thst i've no permission to read cd... (same thing with sudo)
[20:12] <p-f> Is there a graphical file browser that would allow me to easily modify files' "last modification" attribute? touch's format isn't the most pleasant to use...
[20:12] <ubuntuLive> dwidmann: The KMPlayer is a lot like WinAmp so that works
[20:12] <coreymon77> ubuntuLive: just remember, linux is not windows, so dont expect it or its programs to be the same
[20:13] <ubuntuLive> SlimeyPete: What better publicity would it be to break into Linux after breaking Windows and Mac? You're shooting all the hope down.
[20:13] <ubuntuLive> coreymon77: I know. If it was, I wouldn't be here ;p
[20:13] <wootenator> !Ghost
[20:13] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[20:13] <SlimeyPete> ubuntuLive: it's academic anyway - as I say, the problem was with the flash player. None of the OSes were actually compromised, and the hacker who did it says that the same vulnerability exists in the Linux flash player
[20:14] <SlimeyPete> don't get me wrong,Linux in general is more secure
[20:14] <coreymon77> and so is mac os
[20:14] <coreymon77> but be honest
[20:14] <SlimeyPete> but I think the security benefits are being overhyped somewhat
[20:14] <coreymon77> if someone really wanted to hack your computer, it wouldnt matter what you were using
[20:15] <ubuntuLive> True enough
[20:15] <gonel> quiero instalar el flash player pero nose como hacerlo  quien me ayuda
[20:15] <dwidmann> If a (good) hacker has physical access to your computer while it's on you're completey screwed
[20:16] <ubuntuLive> No offence, but that's a given. Heck, password it as much as you want.. if I get near a PC with a password and my CDs near... I can crack the password thanks to one of my tools, or at least part of it.
[20:17] <gonel> como se instala el flash player para ver los videos de youtube???
[20:17] <ubuntuLive> All thanks to SlackLinux LiveCDs
[20:17] <coreymon77> !es | gonel
[20:17] <ubotu> gonel: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:18] <gonel> thanx
[20:18] <dwidmann> ubuntuLive: that deends on how much time you have, strong passwords can take a long time to crack - even encryption can be compromised easily if the computer is still running and the keys are cached in memory ...
[20:18]  * dwidmann decides that any more conversation should probably go into #kubuntu-offtopic though
[20:18] <ubuntuLive> True enough
[20:19] <dwidmann> ubuntuLive: if it's non-encrypted you don't even need a password though .... just a live cd
[20:20] <ubuntuLive> dwidmann: You need an Enter key you mean ;)
[20:20] <dwidmann> hm?
[20:20] <ubuntuLive> Just hit enter and you get in
[20:21] <dwidmann> practically (you'd still need the livecd), but any moron with half a brain could do it
[20:21] <ubuntuLive> Well thanks for the help guys, I have to get off for now. Might pop back later once the beta becomes... nonbeta. But this has been a learning experince. Ciao
[20:21] <ubuntuLive> dwidmann: True true
[20:21] <ubuntuLive> Anyway, bye for now
[20:24] <falieson> what is the apt repository line for kubuntu that I can add some kubuntu packages to my ubuntu gutsy install?
[20:25] <Coggz>  artscat
[20:25] <Coggz> unix_connect: can't connect to server (unix:/tmp/ksocket-luke/lukes-tablet-14c6-21dae58d)
[20:25] <Coggz> Can't connect to sound server
[20:25] <Coggz> what does that mean?
[20:27] <snikker> i've got a problem with KsCd. it tell me thst i've no permission to read cd... (same thing with sudo)
[20:28] <falieson> kubuntu apt repository is ?
[20:28] <flipstar> falieson: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources and maybe https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[20:28] <flipstar> snikker: can you access that cd without kscd ?
[20:28] <falieson> flipstar: thanks
[20:29] <falieson> flipstar: nope, that doesn't help - i need the deb http://archive.server.com/blah/ gutsy free non-free line
[20:30] <flipstar> its in the second link
[20:30] <falieson> kubuntu does have a seperate repository than ubuntu right?
[20:30] <SlimeyPete> nope
[20:30] <coreymon77> falieson: not really
[20:30] <coreymon77> falieson: no
[20:31] <falieson> oh.. I thought kubuntu had ktorrent 3.0
[20:31] <SlimeyPete> same repositories, different default package
[20:31] <flipstar> falieson: ktorrent 3.0 is ktorrent-kde4
[20:31] <falieson> well that'd be why I didn't find teh apt repository I was looking for :-)
[20:31] <falieson> flipstar: yeah, I know - does that mean i can't get it through synaptic or ?
[20:31] <SlimeyPete> heh
[20:31] <coreymon77> that would be it :P
[20:31] <coreymon77> falieson: yes you can, you just have to add the repo
[20:31] <flipstar> falieson: sure you can..after adding kde4 sources
[20:32] <falieson> right, which synaptic should get as dependencies anyways
[20:32] <falieson> i did a search for ktorrent-kde4 before jumping in this channel and didn't get any hits
[20:32] <falieson> (in synaptic)
[20:33] <flipstar> falieson: see http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php
[20:33] <coreymon77> you have to add the repositories for kde4 first
[20:34] <falieson> ah
[20:35] <martijn81> ktorrent 3.0.1 is a little unstable in some eareas though
[20:35] <martijn81> you can better compile the lastest svn
[20:36] <falieson> thanks for the warning
[20:37] <falieson> ktorrent 2.x is decent, but I hate that you can't select which files to download or see a file by file progress - 3.x is worth the risk :-)
[20:37] <martijn81> falieson: you actually can select which files to download in the 2.2.5 version
[20:38] <falieson> yes, but you can't see their progress
[20:38] <falieson> individuallyu
[20:38] <martijn81> a file by process too
[20:38] <martijn81> you only need to load the info widget
[20:38] <falieson> oh - cool
[20:39] <falieson> well, I guess if ktorrent 3.x kills a lot of things I'll go the 2.2.5 route
[20:39] <martijn81> well, current svn is quite stable actually, and has even webseeding
[20:40] <falieson> i originally was just looking for a ktorrent add-in I figured there were others out there with the demand! but then I saw 3.x was out and figured I'd go ahead and try it - worse thing that happens is I have to uninstall some stuff and synaptic so far my system has been pretty well maintained
[20:40] <falieson> I'll be sure to check it out as an alternative
[20:40] <falieson> hmm... will ktorrent-kde4 take over all my current downloads I have with ktorrent automagically? prolly not - heh
[20:41] <dwidmann> falieson: kde4 apps use a seperate conf directory (
[20:41] <dwidmann> ~/.kder) (grr, stupid enter key)
[20:41] <falieson> heh
[20:41] <martijn81> nope, as it will will use another temporarly directory
[20:42] <dwidmann> kde4
[20:42] <martijn81> yup
[20:42] <martijn81> ~/.kde vs. ~/.kde4
[20:42] <falieson> well, the beauty of linux is there is always a way to fix it :-)
[20:42] <falieson> and 95% of the time - someone has done it before you, and written a howto
[20:43] <dwidmann> I wouldn't say 95% .... but yeah, it has all been done before for sure
[20:44] <falieson> well yeah, 95% of the time for the first half, I was going to say 30% of the time for the howto but figured it was too BS to even utter
[20:45] <falieson> I mention it because I've been downloading a torrent file "Family Guy Seasons 1-5" for about two weeks now
[20:45] <falieson> I'd like to know which eps are done!
[20:45] <dwidmann> falieson: possibly none .... bittorrent doesn't exactly go in order, at all.
[20:45] <flipstar> falieson: just click on 'files' in ktorrent btw i hope this download is legal..
[20:46] <flipstar> it provides a status in percent of each file
[20:47] <flipstar> you also can deal with priority's there
[20:47] <flipstar> e.g prefer the first file
[20:50] <snikker> flipstar: yes i can
[20:50] <snikker> flipstar: yes i can acces to cd without kscd
[20:51] <flipstar> okay..then its probably an problem with kscd itself..you choosed the right device there..?
[20:53] <user1> any app that shows me full details of active internet connections. their speed and process/file using them?
[20:53] <flipstar> user1: iftop
[20:54] <flipstar> snikker: also make sure there is no second instance open
[20:55] <MrJoey> Does anybody know if there are any Free Software companies with a Free File Alliance?  (thus enabling them/it to file US taxes online)
[20:55] <snikker> flipstar: i think yes, the strage thing is that sometime it work fine and sometime not... no other istance open
[20:55] <dwidmann> MrJoey: waiting to the last minute huh?
[20:55] <user1> !iftop
[20:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iftop - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:55] <Coggz> anyone here got perbox-voice?
[20:55] <user1> !info iftop
[20:55] <ubotu> iftop (source: iftop): displays bandwidth usage information on an network interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.17-4 (gutsy), package size 31 kB, installed size 104 kB
[20:55] <user1> flipstar no such package
[20:55] <MrJoey> dwidmann> No second to last minute :)
[20:56] <MrJoey> I just want to see if there are any FOSS alternatives to filling out the PDF with okular-kde4
[20:56] <user1> flipstar  my apt says. thers no package
[20:56] <MrJoey> (that is, the f1040.pdf or f1040ez.pdf
[20:56] <falieson> how do I have it reload possibilities for when you double tab in a terminal?
[20:57] <kkerwin> Hi. I'm trying to get 3d desktop effects to work with KDE4. Under Desktop Effects in system settings, I am told that the required X extensions, XComposite and XDamage, are unavailable. Where can I get the libraries to provide these functionalities? Thanks in advance.
[20:58] <flipstar> snikker: try sudo killall kscd and try again ..
[20:58] <kkerwin> #kubuntu-kde4 seems to be dead, otherwise, I would ask there. Thank you.
[20:58] <dwidmann> MrJoey: I'm googling for one
[20:58] <MrJoey> This lists all the companies with alliances:  http://www.irs.gov/app/freeFile/jsp/index.jsp?ck#Company1
[20:58] <MrJoey> I was just wondering if anybody happened to know from experience if an FOSS company had emerged for taxes.
[20:59] <flipstar> kkerwin: you have graphic drivers installed ?
[20:59] <dwidmann> MrJoey: http://opentaxsolver.sourceforge.net/ maybe?
[20:59] <kkerwin> I have checked that libxcomposite1 and libxdamage1 are installed.
[21:00] <kkerwin> flipstar: Pretty sure. What are they for the Radeon 9600 Mobility, just so I can double check?
[21:00] <snikker> flipstar: kscd: no processes
[21:00] <Coggz> #voice
[21:00] <Coggz> oops
[21:00] <flipstar> kkerwin: just use the restricted-manager
[21:01] <flipstar> snikker: hm..but <kdesu kscd> still not working ?
[21:01] <kkerwin> flipstar: Uhm. What's the command to run that? "restricted-manager" doesn't seem to do that trick.
[21:01] <flipstar> kkerwin: .. you have kde4 on hardy ?
[21:02] <kkerwin> flipstar: Ya.
[21:02] <flipstar> then its something with jockey
[21:02] <kkerwin> flipstar: Erhh ...
[21:02] <flipstar> put that in a terminal and press tab
[21:02] <kkerwin> flipstar: No, I think gutsy.
[21:02] <MrJoey> dwidmann> Thanks.  I guess there are no companies that have a Free File Alliance that maintain a GPLed tax program that can e-file.
[21:03] <flipstar> kkerwin: just search for restricted in kmenu ..
[21:03] <MrJoey> It'd be cool if someone started such a project (it would probably have to be an entrepreneur)
[21:03] <snikker> flipstar: same error... no permission to access /dev/hdb
[21:04] <martijn81> kkerwin: also see this: TsP5wy5si8
[21:04] <martijn81> oops
[21:04] <martijn81> hhee
[21:04] <martijn81> kkerwin: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kwin/COMPOSITE_HOWTO?revision=767563&view=markup
[21:05] <martijn81> maybe we can add that link to the !composite-kde4
[21:05] <martijn81> i dunno how that works, someone?
[21:05] <flipstar> snikker: hdb ?? thats a hard drive ..
[21:06] <kkerwin> martijn81: What am I looking at here? What do you want me to look for?
[21:06] <martijn81> kkerwin: there is information how to configure X for composite effects
[21:06] <eagles0513875> 623xvnqh48
[21:06] <kkerwin> Ok.
[21:06] <eagles0513875> sry cant type tonight
[21:07] <kkerwin> Ok. Have verified that graphics drivers are installed. What's next?
[21:07] <snikker> flipstar: no, it's cdrom... i'm shure
[21:07] <martijn81> configure xorg.conf
[21:08] <flipstar> kkerwin: maybe add Option  "Composite"     "Enable" in xorg.conf
[21:09] <flipstar> snikker: oh..kay sorry no further idea..maybe ask in #kde ..
[21:09] <kkerwin> Ok. Did that. Any other options that I should consider?
[21:09] <martijn81> anyone can add my link to the bot?
[21:09] <kkerwin> That is, before I restart X?
[21:09] <snikker> flipstar: ok, thanks
[21:09] <martijn81> kkerwin: read my link, all is there for you to know
[21:10] <flipstar> martijn81: type "/msg ubotu howdy"
[21:10] <kkerwin> martijn81: Your link is in regards to an NVidia card. Mine is an ATI Radeon 9600 Mobility. Will the same hold true?
[21:10] <flipstar> no..
[21:10] <martijn81> ati is there too
[21:10] <martijn81> scroll down
[21:11] <kkerwin> martijn81: Gutsy Tribe 5: Kernel Module error when enabling Nvidia restricted driver?
[21:11] <user1> is there an ap that inverts all colors in a picture file?
[21:12] <martijn81> kkerwin: sorry, dunnno what you are talking about
[21:13] <kkerwin> martijn81: Sorry. I see what happened. I'm looking at the wrong window. I'll have a look at this. Thanks again.
[21:13] <astan> anyone know of a program that will just show the picture from my webcam that is in official repos? dmesg says it's supported.
[21:13] <astan> i just want to know it works.
[21:13] <eagles0513875> !webcam
[21:13] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[21:13] <Coggz> user1: try gimp
[21:13] <flipstar> user1: gimp is _the_ prog for picture editing
[21:13] <Coggz> agreed^^
[21:14] <dubby> hey anyone, I am trying to run ksudoku but moving the cube around is all blocky and when the blocks are in the correct position
[21:14] <astan> eagles0513875: thanks a bunch.
[21:14] <Coggz> on par with photoshop
[21:14] <dubby> it used to be very smooth
[21:14] <eagles0513875> astan: no prob
[21:14] <martijn81> kkerwin: also note that enabling the composite effect "blur" braked normal booting into X on kde 4.0.2, i dunno the status in current 4.0.3
[21:14] <user1> ok
[21:14] <kkerwin> martijn81: K
[21:15] <flipstar> Coggz: some people also talking about 'pixel' .. but its non-free and i didnt tried
[21:15] <Coggz> hmm
[21:15] <flipstar> only a free demo (with watermarks)
[21:18] <martijn81> flipstar: that only give me a hi
[21:18] <flipstar> martijn81: yes..but it opens a query ..
[21:18] <flipstar> now you can talk to ubotu :)
[21:18] <martijn81> lol, but i need to know how to add info
[21:19] <flipstar> oh
[21:19] <flipstar> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots then
[21:19] <martijn81> k
[21:20] <kkerwin> Ok. Restarting X now.
[21:22] <mefisto__> where's the proper place to keep executables (shell scripts, etc) to keep them separate from /usr/bin ?
[21:22] <aib> how can I record a video of my desktop?
[21:22] <flipstar> martijn81: if you want to request an factoid or so maybe in #ubuntu-bots
[21:22] <Coggz> kdesktoprecorder
[21:23] <aib> Coggz, tx
[21:23] <user1> can i plug off hardisk or a cd rom . plug it again. while the system is still runing in ram?
[21:23] <aib> Coggz, no google results for kdesktoprecorder
[21:23] <eagles0513875> user1: nope
[21:24] <Coggz> oh
[21:24] <flipstar> aib: probably a typo in there
[21:24] <Coggz> it was something like that
[21:24] <aib> i didn't typo..i also don't see an app likes this
[21:24] <user1> eagles0513875 why . someone said linux is smarter in that. more than windows
[21:24] <eagles0513875> user1: i could be wrong on what i said i know u can do it with a raided hdd array
[21:25] <user1> hm
[21:25] <eagles0513875> user1: what u planning on doing
[21:25] <user1> eagles0513875 preparing for a hd cdrom failure
[21:26] <flipstar> aib: maybe try xvidcap
[21:26] <eagles0513875> user1: so a hd and cd driver r dying on ya
[21:26] <flipstar> mefisto__: you can place scripts anywhere .. you can edit common paths in /etc/environment
[21:26] <user1> eagles0513875 i dont think so. but hd is most unrealiable
[21:27] <eagles0513875> u have a raided array
[21:27] <user1> whats that
[21:27] <flipstar> user1: you can chroot into hdd then unmount the cd
[21:28] <user1> flipstar dont understand
[21:28] <flipstar> wait let me catch what you trying to do
[21:28] <user1> flipstar whast chrooting
[21:28] <user1> k
[21:28] <eagles0513875> user1: if ur wanting to change ur cd drive ur goign to need to shut it down
[21:29] <eagles0513875> user1: in regards to ur hd if u wanna hot swap it it has to be in raid array
[21:29] <flipstar> or SATA
[21:29] <mefisto__> flipstar: yeah of course, but there is a dir set aside for non-core executables. Is it /usr/local/bin I'm thinking of?
[21:30] <flipstar> mefisto__: yes..sure /usr/local/bin/ or /opt
[21:31] <Hamra> !lbex
[21:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lbex - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:31] <flipstar> user1: linux can survive few moments without a harddrive/cdrom but not live without it
[21:31] <user1> system is important enough not to want to shut down in case of hardware failure,
[21:31] <eagles0513875> !info | lbex
[21:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:31] <flipstar> user1: if the hardware fails there is no way
[21:31] <eagles0513875> !info | obex
[21:32] <flipstar> Intrepid Ibex is 8.10
[21:32] <user1> flipstar if it can survive . then i can replace the hd... right?
[21:32] <eagles0513875> !intrepid
[21:32] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[21:32] <flipstar> user1: if its exactly the same hard drive..(partitions, content) and youre fast..maybe
[21:33] <eagles0513875> flipstar: dont think so far ahead lol we dont have hardy yet
[21:33] <user1> flipstar ya.. nice. idea
[21:33] <flipstar> eagles0513875: pre alpha is in june or so :))
[21:33] <eagles0513875> flipstar: well im goign to be on that testing that out
[21:33] <user1> flipstar but linux can survieve without  a hd...?
[21:33] <eagles0513875> user1: it should but then again not to sure bout that
[21:34] <flipstar> user1: as i said survive a short moment..but not life without a filesystem..
[21:34] <flipstar> you still can use a cdrom or so instead
[21:34] <flipstar> usb etc
[21:34] <eagles0513875> flipstar: that changes though when ur in a raid array though
[21:34] <saki> Does CompizFusion support KDE4 yet?
[21:35] <user1> eagles0513875 flipstar hmm..  ok
[21:35] <user1> eagles0513875 flipstar  thanks!
[21:35] <eagles0513875> saki: im on kde4 with compiz seems to be working for me
[21:35] <eagles0513875> user1: no prob
[21:36] <flipstar> in a raid you can also chroot to a usb pen ..
[21:36] <kkerwin> Ok. Here's what I got:
[21:36] <kkerwin> (EE) AIGLX error: dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_20050727 failed (/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: undefined symbol: __driCreateNewScreen_20050727)
[21:36] <kkerwin> (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[21:36] <user1> whats chrooting? flipstar
[21:36] <kkerwin> Pardon. This is from my xorg.conf.
[21:36] <kkerwin> martijn81: Ideas?
[21:36] <flipstar> and when the raid controller is clever enough it automaticly configures the new drive :)
[21:37] <eagles0513875> yep
[21:37] <eagles0513875> !pastebin | kkerwin
[21:37] <ubotu> kkerwin: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[21:37] <flipstar> user1: chroot is changing the environment
[21:37] <saki> Anyone know how to "bridge" two network connections?
[21:37] <martijn81> kkerwin: have you done acactly what the doc descriped?
[21:38] <eagles0513875> !icecast2
[21:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icecast2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:38] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Yes. I know. I thought that it would only come across as one line, and it seemed to be alright.
[21:38] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: just a friendly reminer
[21:38] <kkerwin> martijn81: Yes. Everything int he Intel portion.
[21:38] <martijn81> weird
[21:38] <martijn81> i have an nvidia though, that worked fine with that doc
[21:38] <fdoving> saki: yes. you need bridge-utils.
[21:38] <kkerwin> martijn81: Actually, X refused to run with the AIGLX explicitly stated in the xorg.conf
[21:39] <fdoving> saki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BridgingNetworkInterfaces
[21:39] <flipstar> kkerwin: start with one value.. compositing for e.g
[21:39] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: what kinda card u got
[21:39] <martijn81> kkerwin: i dunno, you said you run gutsy right? i would try hardy
[21:40] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Radeon 9600 Mobility
[21:40] <eagles0513875> interesting for my im on a radeon xpress 200m and i think u should be using fglrx
[21:40] <eagles0513875> at least thats what im using
[21:40] <eagles0513875> !ati
[21:40] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[21:40] <Coggz> make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop.
[21:40] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: It uses fglrx indeed.
[21:40] <Coggz> how do i fix
[21:40] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: What is at issue?
[21:41] <Coggz> !make
[21:41] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[21:41] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: y is martijn81messing round with aiglx
[21:41] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Because it's less of a hack than Xgl?
[21:41] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: i have an easy how to to get open gl working on ati cards if u would like it
[21:42] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Yes plz.
[21:43] <eagles0513875> :)
[21:43] <eagles0513875> this link is from edgy but they have for gutsy as well
[21:44] <eagles0513875> r u guys both on gutsy
[21:44] <kkerwin> <-- Gutsy. Yes.
[21:45] <martijn81> hardy, and i got it working
[21:45] <eagles0513875> for both of u im suprised the restricted managers didnt pick up ur cards and set it up for ya
[21:45] <flipstar> Coggz: yes read that..you probably need to configure first
[21:46] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: i want u to open up ur system settings and underadvanced it shoudl say restricted manager
[21:46] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: click on that and let me know what comes up
[21:46] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Can't find restricted-manager there ...
[21:47] <kkerwin> But, I can run "restricted-manager-kde" ...
[21:47] <eagles0513875> thats it
[21:47] <eagles0513875> try that
[21:47] <eagles0513875> that should bring up a box to enable all restricted drivers for all devices like broadcom wifi cards as well as ur video card
[21:47] <user1> flipstar can you further tel what is chroot
[21:47] <kkerwin> ATI accelerated graphics driver is checked and marked as "in use"
[21:47] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: type glxinfo and at the top it should say direct rendering yes
[21:48] <flipstar> user1: google for it :) or search the ubuntu wiki..
[21:48] <flipstar> user1: or the manpages :P
[21:48] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Yes.
[21:48] <user1> flipstar ok.
[21:48] <user1> flipstar one advise about security of my server
[21:48] <user1> what about network intrussion. un auth access, ports scannin. etc..exploites.. etc?
[21:48] <eagles0513875> then ur up and running
[21:48] <bmk789> how do i use pulseaudio on KDE?
[21:49] <kkerwin> Ok. But I'm trying to get compositing to work.
[21:49] <flipstar> user1: you might want to install/run tiger
[21:49] <flipstar> its a security checker
[21:49] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: in regards to compiz
[21:50] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: In regards to the compositing native to KDE4.
[21:50] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: ahhh gotcha whats it supposed to do
[21:50] <flipstar> user1: run tiger -e and it will give you a bunch of good tips with detailed explanaitions
[21:50] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: One moment.
[21:50] <eagles0513875> ok
[21:51] <user1> flipstar k
[21:51] <eagles0513875> !shoutcast
[21:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shoutcast - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:53] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Ok. It's no longer complaining that XComposite and XDamage are missing. But I still do not see the desktop effects.
[21:53] <flipstar> user1: about open ports..you have to check the application behind that..same with exploits
[21:53] <flipstar> just keep it uptodate
[21:53] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: can u explain to me the desktops effects of kde4
[21:53] <eagles0513875> im running compiz with it
[21:53] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Oh, I see.
[21:54] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: I'm not sure. They are located in System Settings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects in KDE4.
[21:54] <matisse> hi
[21:54] <matisse> which Package do I have to install if "glib 2.0 environment" is missing ?
[21:55] <user1> flipstar you mean i got to check apache if irun a webhost?
[21:55] <fdoving> matisse: libglib2.0-dev
[21:55] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: i dont have that and im on hardy beta
[21:56] <matisse> fdoving: why not without "dev" ?
[21:56] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Ah. I see.
[21:56] <flipstar> user1: i mean check if apache updates are released..via mailing list or so and check that it is prober configured
[21:56] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Perhaps I should simply run compiz?
[21:56] <fdoving> matisse: i assume you're trying to compile something?
[21:56] <eagles0513875> go for it its addicting once u have it setup
[21:56] <matisse> fdoving: right
[21:56] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: In regards to running compiz, how do I set it up?
[21:56] <eagles0513875> sudo apt-get install compiz-fusion
[21:56] <jussi01> !compiz
[21:56] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:56] <fdoving> matisse: then you want the -dev package, as that's exactly what it's for.
[21:56] <user1> flipstar hmm. still peple get hacked on updates systems
[21:57] <matisse> fdoving: than thanks for the fast answer
[21:57] <flipstar> user1: becorse configuration is weak..right
[21:57] <user1> flipstar hmm..
[21:58] <matisse> fdoving: "GTK+ 2.0 environment not found" is now the answer
[21:58] <flipstar> apache has much unneeded stuff by default
[21:59] <rawb> i have arrived
[21:59]  * kkerwin runs furiously to get away from rawb ...
[21:59] <kkerwin> Just kidding ...
[21:59] <wells_> :)
[21:59] <matisse> fdoving: libgtk2.0-dev right ?
[22:00] <wells_> i'm planing tu buy a new box an run ubuntu on it
[22:00] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: if u have compiz questions once u get it setup let me know
[22:01] <fdoving> matisse: correct :)
[22:01] <wells_> I would like to know if the box I want will run ubuntu without any problem
[22:01] <user1> flipstar can you name an anti network intrusion tool?
[22:01] <matisse> fdoving: it is no problem having installed gtk1 and gtk2 ?
[22:01] <wells_> intel core duo E8400-3.0/6M/133
[22:01] <fdoving> matisse: no, they can coexist just fine.
[22:01] <fernando> hello
[22:01] <matisse> ok
[22:02] <fernando> having problems with DVD drive
[22:02] <fernando> and k3b
[22:02] <wells_> Mb asus P5b 1333FBS ddr2 pci-e
[22:02] <fernando> anybody can help?
[22:02] <flipstar> user1: no..sorry just type it in adept
[22:02] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Compiz wants me to use Xgl?
[22:02] <wells_> geforce 8500T 512 M pci-e
[22:02] <user1> flipstar k
[22:02] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: didnt ask me
[22:03] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: thing is i installed compiz first then kde4
[22:03] <fernando> hello! K3B is freezing my DVD drive, anybody has ideas?
[22:03] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: http://pastebin.com/m32e8b7ba
[22:03] <wells_> anyone can help ?
[22:04] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: what does the compiz --replace command do
[22:04] <user1> can any one name an anti network intrusion tool?
[22:04] <eagles0513875> fernando: gutsy or hardy beta
[22:04] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: did u download the compiz-fusion pkg
[22:04] <fernando> which one is 7.x ?
[22:05] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: I followed the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[22:05] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: scrath those instructions
[22:05] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Okie dokie. What instead?
[22:05] <user1> flipstar snort
[22:05] <eagles0513875> i just instaled the compiz-fusion pkg and the ccsm pkg which allows u to mod the compiz settings and thats all i did
[22:06] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: And where did you get these packages?
[22:06] <flipstar> user1: yes..snort is one of them :)
[22:06] <flipstar> use oinkmaster or so to control it
[22:06] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: in the repos
[22:06] <user1> > use oinkmaster or so to control it me?
[22:07] <eagles0513875> do apt-cache search for em
[22:07] <kkerwin> Are you using hardy or gutsy?
[22:07] <fernando> eagles: I have kubuntu 7.10
[22:07] <flipstar> user1: to control the rules for snort
[22:07] <fernando> isn't that feisty?
[22:07] <eagles0513875> fernando: ok how olds the drive in question
[22:07] <user1> flipstar is it gui?
[22:07] <flipstar> nope
[22:07] <eagles0513875> fernando: gutsy
[22:07] <user1> flipstar k
[22:07] <fernando> it's an HP 400i
[22:07] <fernando> a few years old
[22:07] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Ok. Now I'm getting confused whom you are talking to.
[22:08] <fernando> I noticed that drives are recognised as SCSI, even though theyare IDE
[22:08] <fernando> I read somewhere that SATA is used now for everything
[22:08] <fernando> could that be the problem?
[22:08] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: thats to fernando did u get the pkgs from the repos
[22:08] <fernando> yes
[22:08] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: No. I was asking you if that is the gutsy or hardy repos.
[22:08] <fernando> ah, ok
[22:08] <eagles0513875> fernando: did u do an upgrade rom feisty with no cd
[22:08] <fernando> just a sec...
[22:09] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: can u run an apt-cache search for compiz-fusion cuz i honestly am not sure
[22:09] <fernando> all my lines in sources.lst say "feisty"
[22:09] <eagles0513875> fernando: there might be ur problem
[22:10] <fernando> my kernel is 2.6.20-16-generic
[22:10] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: It only lists the package name, and not what repo it comes from.
[22:10] <eagles0513875> u did a cdless upgrade from feisty to gutsy and that is still quite buggy cuz dependecies sometimes dont work right
[22:10] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: then ull have to go into the pkg manager
[22:10] <fernando> yes, I did my upgrade through the internet
[22:10] <eagles0513875> fernando: u need to do a clean install
[22:10] <fernando> oops!
[22:11] <fernando> no other way around?
[22:11] <eagles0513875> fernando: that way tends to break alot of stuff
[22:11] <eagles0513875> not really unless u can live with out the drive
[22:11] <fernando> what if I run a dist-upgrade?
[22:12] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Ok. I'm going to get rid of all of these extra packages that this installed first. I'll probably upgrade to hardy and see if compiz-fusion is in hardy's repos, because it is not in gutsy's repos.
[22:12] <fernando> how do I know exactly which version I am running?
[22:12] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: it is cuz im on hardy beta
[22:12] <eagles0513875> !version
[22:12] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[22:12] <fernando> ok
[22:12] <eagles0513875> fernando: 7.10 is gutsy
[22:12] <fernando> ok, it says 7,04 feisty
[22:13] <fernando> I thought I had 7.10
[22:13] <eagles0513875> then thats different
[22:13] <fernando> ok, so I am seemingly one version behind
[22:13] <fernando> however I'm sure I ran a dist-upgrade at some point
[22:14] <eagles0513875> lol fernando dont do cdless upgrade reinstall is best and safest way to not end up with dependency issues of pkgs that have been taken out of gutsy repos
[22:14] <eagles0513875> u understand what im saying
[22:14] <fernando> yes
[22:14] <fernando> but apt is supposed to take care of those things
[22:15] <fernando> debian upgrades are normally quite safe
[22:15] <eagles0513875> fernando: ive done it in the past and ive encountered problems
[22:15] <fernando> is this an ubuntu issue?
[22:15] <eagles0513875> k/ubuntu ya
[22:15] <fernando> I see
[22:16] <fernando> hmmm....not good....
[22:16] <fernando> :-(
[22:16] <fernando> thanks!
[22:16] <mefisto__> I upgraded from feisty to gutsy without problems
[22:17] <eagles0513875> mefisto__: lucky u
[22:17] <eagles0513875> fernando: back up ur data try it at least u would have ur data backup just in case something does go wrong
[22:17] <fernando> yes
[22:18] <mefisto__> fernando: I had to run a dist-upgrade a few times
[22:18] <fernando> so the problem was the dist-upgrade?
[22:18] <eagles0513875> give it a try is all i gotta say
[22:18] <eagles0513875> guys u know u have to edit ur source list with gutsy repo list
[22:18] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[22:18] <ubotu> source-o-matic is not available anymore, please use Software Sources (in your Applications / K menu) to configure your repositories. Do NOT enable "Proposed updates" unless you're willing to test possibly seriously flawed packages.
[22:18] <fernando> right, yes, I see. thanks for the advise
[22:18] <eagles0513875> fernando: but that site i wanted to link u is no more
[22:19] <eagles0513875> btw dist-upgrade downloads all pkgs even pkgs that have been held back
[22:19] <fernando> I see
[22:19]  * cracko is away: Gone away for now.
[22:19] <fernando> but why is my sources.lst still saying feisty?
[22:21] <mefisto__> fernando: probably the upgrade is not complete. try to update and dist-upgrade again and see what happens
[22:21] <fernando> right
[22:22] <fernando> ok, I'll try that.
[22:22] <fernando> thanks
[22:24] <eagles0513875> no prob
[22:25] <matisse> "X11 environment not found" - which package is that  ? libx11-dev is already installed. fdoving maybe ?
[22:28] <matisse> where do I find the autostart config files ?
[22:29] <eagles0513875> matisse: u on cli right now
[22:30] <matisse> eagles0513875: what ?
[22:30] <eagles0513875> matisse: u on a command line interface right now
[22:30] <matisse> uhm yes
[22:30] <matisse> i know how to work with bash :-)
[22:30] <eagles0513875> have u tried the command startx
[22:31] <matisse> oh, thats what you mean...
[22:31] <eagles0513875> ya
[22:31] <matisse> no, kde is already started
[22:31] <matisse> dont know what you understood...
[22:33] <jussio1> !autostart | matisse
[22:33] <ubotu> matisse: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[22:33] <jussio1> !bum | matisse
[22:33] <matisse> I would like to stop thttpd from starting at the boot up
[22:33] <ubotu> matisse: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[22:33] <matisse> thx
[22:33] <jussio1> :)
[22:37] <trillis> Can someone help me install something?
[22:37] <dwidmann> ugghhhhhh, I accidentally nuked my fstab for the first time in over a year :(
[22:38] <trillis> I'm trying to install something called Rosegarden, however, me being a noob in linux doesn
[22:38] <trillis> t
[22:38] <jussio1> trillis: wahts the issue?
[22:38] <trillis> help me install anything.
[22:38] <trillis> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/getting/
[22:39] <trillis> "We don't make ready-to-run binaries; you should get those as packages tailored for a particular Linux distribution"
[22:39] <jussio1> trillis: open adept manager (system - adept) then search for rosegarden and click install
[22:39] <jussio1> trillis: really easy
[22:39] <jussio1> :)
[22:39] <trillis> oh..
[22:39] <trillis> hehe
[22:40] <jussio1> same with most stuff
[22:40] <coreymon77> trillis: most stuff will be installed that way
[22:40] <coreymon77> trillis: adept is the easiest and best way to install software
[22:40] <trillis> Thanks!
[22:46] <trillis> Hmm...
[22:46] <trillis> I hit 'Request install' to install yes?
[22:49] <Kaevik> then Apply changes
[23:04] <jonathan_> hello!
[23:04] <PhilRod> hi jonathan_
[23:05] <maduser> !hello
[23:05] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[23:05] <jonathan_> I need your help! :) I downloaded firefox for Kubuntu as a tar.gz file. What is the next thing to do??
[23:05] <maduser> why didn't you use apt?
[23:05] <SlimeyPete> !adept
[23:05] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[23:05] <SlimeyPete> !apt
[23:05] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[23:05] <SlimeyPete> use apt/adept to install things, not .tar.gz files
[23:06] <SlimeyPete> if at all possible
[23:06] <jonathan_> thank you!! :)
[23:06] <jonathan_> I didn't use it because i didn't know it exists :D
[23:06] <SlimeyPete> :)
[23:06] <nonewmsgs> :) another satisfied customer
[23:07] <algyz> yes, nice :)
[23:08] <saki> Synaptic ftw
[23:08] <derenrich> When I try to use desktop-effects to add desktop effects it seems to kill kwin and then nothing starts to manage the windows...
[23:12] <cannon> hi all
[23:14] <matisse> hi
[23:15] <matisse> any question cannon  ?
[23:16] <cannon> kinda, but it's relating to centos-5 .. i can't get my internet to work on it
[23:17] <matisse> i dunno if this is the right channel for that
[23:18] <algyz> cannon:  try channel centos, also google is often helpful
[23:19] <cannon> lol
[23:19] <cannon> i've tried everyuthing
[23:19] <cannon> i've been at it all day ... not very good for a guy on meds let me tell ya
[23:19] <cannon> been throwing things accross the room! lol
[23:20] <algyz> cannon:  what kind of connection?
[23:33] <v6lur> how can i get rid of kwrite? safe to just rename it into /usr/bin/kwrite-bak and then symlink kate to kwrite?
[23:34] <v6lur> amarok script manager keeps calling kwrite, though kate is set as default text editor
[23:34] <PhilRod> should be fine I think, although it might be tidier to find the places where kwrite gets opened (eg file associations) and chenge it there
[23:34] <PhilRod> s/chenge/change/
[23:43] <v6lur> erm... which package contains kwrite?
[23:44] <PhilRod> kdelibs or kdebase
[23:45] <PhilRod> ah, I think the katepart, which is the editor which both kwrite and kate use, is in kdelibs, while the kwrite and kate applications live in kdebase
[23:45] <PhilRod> ICBW though
[23:46] <Jucato> kdebase in KDE 3 and kdebase/apps in KDE 4
[23:46] <Jucato> v6lur:  ^^^^
[23:46] <Jucato> unless you are talking about distro packages, that can be a totally different thing
[23:47] <Jucato> er wait lol sorry wrong channel... kwrite has a kwrite package :)
[23:47]  * Jucato blames PhilRod for being confused
[23:48] <PhilRod> heh, and I need to remember that the answer to a question depends on what channel I'm in
[23:48] <PhilRod> if (channel=="#kubuntu") shutUp();
[23:48] <Jucato> PhilRod: not really :)
[23:48] <Jucato> it's just the "KDE doesn't package stuff" mentality :)
[23:49] <PhilRod> if (channel=="#kubuntu") thinkBeforeSpeaking(); then :-)
[23:49] <v6lur> ok, thanks..
[23:52] <stefan_> hi
[23:53] <stefan_> wow, 14 hours of installing linux
[23:54] <stefan_> first the installer locked at step 3 then i killed my windows mbr ;) *lol*, then the beta 8.04 gnome locked after 10 minutes on my laptop, then kubuntu 7.10 destroyed itself via adept
[23:55] <stefan_> now everthing fine
[23:57] <stefan_> does anybody here has installed kde4 on kubuntu 7.10 ?
[23:58] <cannon> any idea why kaffiene won't play avi's?
[23:58] <mefisto__> I do, stefan_
[23:58] <cannon> whats kde4?
[23:59] <mefisto__> cannon: upcoming version of kde (the window manager/interface that kubuntu uses)
[23:59] <cannon> is it eye candy?