[00:01] <esox> do someone have update gutsy-> hardy ?
[00:01] <esox> I mean update issues
[00:02] <lakin> hrmmm
[00:02] <esox> On my side the cd install doesnt install grub, and repositories are unavailable
[00:03] <esox> I'm closed to give up
[00:04] <echinos> anyone else having problems with gnome-settings-daemon failing?
[00:04] <clarezoe> can anyone help me on my wireless conection? when I run wpa_supplicant it saied 'trying to associate with xx:xx:xx:xx' then ctrl-even-disconneted -disconnect event-remove keys, and then loop
[00:05] <esox> echinos: I have problems with everything !
[00:05] <Centaur5> How can I find out which application has a memory leak?
[00:07] <tacone> Centaur5: look for the application with most memory usage in gnome system monitor
[00:08] <esox> do someone have troubles downloading updates ?
[00:08] <pen> nvm
[00:08] <LibertyShadow> not dling
[00:08] <pen> I solved it myself
[00:08] <LibertyShadow> just applying
[00:08] <pen> esox: ??
[00:09] <pen> esox: can't download updates?
[00:09] <esox> pen: no
[00:09] <LibertyShadow> can't apply updates without removing voumeid
[00:09] <LibertyShadow> right?
[00:09] <esox> just a few, and the update procedure always fals
[00:09] <crimsun> can someone who's experiencing issues with the -16 linux-image and non-Free Nvidia driver attach his/her /var/log/Xorg.0.log to bug 215778, please?
[00:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215778 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "2.6.24-16.30 kernel update - nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215778
[00:09] <esox> fails
[00:10] <esox> pen: you have an idea ?
[00:10] <pen> esox: what is your problem?
[00:11] <hmuller> crimsun:  Will do, give me a few minutes to reboot ...
[00:12] <lakin> Is there a known issue with xorg in the beta?  I't consistently eating 50-100% of my cpu when _any_ rendering is going on
[00:13] <esox> pen: when I want to make the update as indicated, the update m:anager downloads evrything but at the end it says he wasnt able to download evrything... then  it leaves, the update notification icon on notification area says there are updates do download. I click on it, I have a list of more that 500 updates, and saying there is a partial update to do, if I choose ok, it says it cant update from hardy to gutsy... if I say no and c
[00:13] <esox> pen: a real nightmare
[00:14] <recon69> hi all, I got a seg_fault error in a program with the 2.6.24 kernel that does not happen in the 2.6.23 kernel -> http://rafb.net/p/b3FRKg43.html , bt is at the bottom. my questions is should  I even be asking in here?
[00:14] <pen> esox: so basically you are in hardy beta and it doesn't let you update?
[00:14] <esox> pen: if I try an update from the CD and say I dont wanrt to download latest version for the net, it looks for some stuff on the net...
[00:14] <pen> esox: or you want to upgrade from gusty to hardy?
[00:15] <pen> esox: are you using hardy? because 500 updates is a really big number
[00:15] <esox> pen:  was on gutsy, I had a very partial update and now I have something between gutsy and hardy
[00:15] <pen> esox: ok, I see
[00:15] <pen> esox: have you tried command?
[00:16] <recon69> ﻿pen: 500 only about 5 days worth I would think
[00:16] <esox> pen: I dont know command line for update
[00:16] <pen> recon69: i agree
[00:16] <pen> esox: run this, update-manager -d
[00:17] <crimsun> recon69: interesting.  Does setting /proc/sys/kernel/randomize_va_space to 0 help?
[00:17] <pen> esox: sometimes if update manager doesnt' work, you can always go to command lines
[00:17] <crimsun> recon69: and by "2.6.24 kernel", I presume you mean the latest Ubuntu linux-image -16?
[00:17] <esox> pen: this command opens update manager...
[00:17] <pen> crimsun: what is the improvement in -16?
[00:17] <pen> esox: did  you add -d?
[00:18] <recon69> ﻿crimsun: well i only at 15
[00:18] <esox> pen: yes...
[00:18] <crimsun> pen: compared to..?
[00:18] <recon69> that is 2.6.24-15
[00:18] <m1r> i have problem with dhcp server and openbsd-inetd , they dont start anymore after install? anyone having similar problems ?
[00:18] <pen> esox: for me it will update with that command, i don't know what you type in
[00:19] <esox> pen: update-manager -d
[00:19] <esox> this is what I typed
[00:19] <pen> esox: and it just open update manager?
[00:19] <pen> esox: no update?
[00:19] <daekdroom> Restricted Driver Manager doesn't detect my X200M video. How do I install - that exact- driver?
[00:20] <esox> pen: and the update manager says its a partial updat and some updates were not installed
[00:20] <esox> pen:  I can choose between partial update and close...
[00:20] <pen> esox: if you open the update manager from the command line try to update just like normal
[00:20] <pen> esox: so partial
[00:21] <pen> it will remove the old conflict dependencies
[00:21] <pen> esox: then install the new versions
[00:21] <esox> pen: no... it says update not possible, a upgrade from hardy to gutsy is not supported with this tool
[00:22] <esox> pen: I'm fighting with that since 5 hours now...
[00:22] <hmuller> crimsun: attached one for your review
[00:22] <pen> esox: hardy to gusty??
[00:22] <pen> esox: then try no and update the rest
[00:23] <pen> esox: after that try update with partial
[00:23] <esox> pen: I told you, I was on gutsy and wanted to update to hardy
[00:24] <esox> pen: it says some packet cnat be downloaded from servers, do you want to continue ignoring those packets ?
[00:26] <esox> pen: if I say yes, it starts a bit and then says again it cant find some packets
[00:26] <pen> esox: no, the dialog means that some packages has dependencies of the newer system
[00:26] <pen> esox: at least
[00:26] <pen> esox: you update the other packages that are not conflict
[00:27] <pen> esox: that would probably solve the problem
[00:27] <Centaur5> tacone: sorry for the delay I used ps aux since system monitor didn't tell me what it was.  I'm still not sure what's doing it.
[00:27] <pen> esox: if you choose no
[00:27] <esox> pen: http://pastebin.org/29114
[00:27] <pen> esox: ok, I see, go to synaptics source and change server
[00:27] <Centaur5> tacone: /usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 is the line that is climbing extremely fast in memory consumption.
[00:28] <pen> esox: seems like the local server doesn't have the files you want
[00:28] <pen> esox: do you speak french?
[00:28] <pen> lol
[00:28] <DanaG> libvirtError: virDomainCreate() failed Failed to add tap interface 'vnet%d' to bridge 'br0' : Operation not permitted
[00:28] <esox> pen: I am french
[00:28] <DanaG> argh.
[00:29] <pen> esox: try other servers
[00:29] <pen> esox: it would solve your problem I think
[00:29] <KrimZon> my libgl1-mesa-dev doesnt have a libGL.a in it
[00:29] <esox> pen: how can I try on other servers ?
[00:29] <daekdroom> Restricted Driver Manager doesn't detect my X200M video. How do I install - that exact- driver?
[00:30] <pen> esox: open your synaptics manager
[00:30] <esox> pen: ok
[00:30] <esox> pen: and ?
[00:30] <recon69> ﻿crimsun: changed ﻿/proc/sys/kernel/randomize_va_space to 0 , made no difference
[00:30] <pen> esox: go to menu: settings|repositories
[00:30] <pen> esox: there you can change the server
[00:31] <esox> pen:  cant find where
[00:31] <pen> esox: I don't know how to type that in french
[00:31] <pen> esox: it's in the menu
[00:31] <pen> settings
[00:31] <pen> repositories
[00:32] <tacone> Centaur5: sorry, I have no idea.
[00:33] <pen> esox: got it?
[00:33] <esox> pen: it doesnt work, I tried already, it says repositories changed, ask to click on reload, I do it, and then retry settings repositories that says repositories changed, etc...
[00:34] <Centaur5> tacone: Okay, I guess I'll just blame the bug on X then.  :)
[00:34] <pen> esox: what is the problem? can't you update still?
[00:34] <esox> pen: cant open repositories selection
[00:34] <crimsun> recon69: and also setting /proc/sys/kernel/maps_protect to the same value?
[00:35] <esox> pen: from synaptics, or from system /administration
[00:35] <pen> esox: in synaptics it's in the menu, you can also find that in system/administration called synaptics source
[00:36] <esox> pen: with the same negative result
[00:36] <pen> esox: run this: gksu --desktop /usr/share/applications/software-properties.desktop /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk
[00:37] <daekdroom> Restricted Driver Manager doesn't detect my X200M video. How do I install - that exact- driver?
[00:37] <esox> pen: it asks for passwd and then nothing
[00:37] <pen> esox: no new window?
[00:37] <esox> pen: no...
[00:38] <pen> esox: so you said you can't open the window from synaptics? It's under menu settings|repositories
[00:38] <pen> esox: that is strange
[00:39] <pen> esox: if you can open synaptics you should be able to open software source
[00:39] <esox> pen: I know...
[00:39] <esox> pen: I can still open sources.list...
[00:39] <esox> pen: in a text editor...
[00:40] <pen> esox: then try to change the server in sources.list
[00:40] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I just burnd a data-dvd in k3b.. go to burn another disk.. and now k3b cant see the dvd drive
[00:40] <pen> esox: I use the server in US, do you mind using that for now
[00:40] <pen> ?
[00:40] <crimsun> hmuller: I really meant with the Nvidia driver and not with the vesa driver :-)
[00:41] <crimsun> hmuller: since we can't do much if the Nvidia driver isn't being attempted
[00:41] <esox> pen: even a chinese one if you want
[00:41] <pen> esox: what do you mean? do you really want to change the server?
[00:42] <m1r> after last upgrade compiz stoped working and i cant enable it anymore, nayone having simmilar issues ?
[00:43] <esox> pen: yes, but dont know how to do that ? change fr to us ?
[00:43] <tacone> Centaur5: yeah :)
[00:43] <crimsun> hmuller: it may involve creating your own /etc/xorg.conf
[00:43] <crimsun> /etc/X11/xorg.conf, sheesh
[00:43] <pen> esox: change every uncomment string from fr.archive.ubuntu.org to archive.ubuntu.org
[00:43] <esox> pen ok I try that
[00:44] <pen> save that then try to reload
[00:44] <pen> esox: or just go to update manager
[00:44] <Black_Magic> is there a DNS Server i can run off my computer
[00:44] <Black_Magic> im doing Internet -> laptop -> unused router -> Wifi Connected Winxp Desktop
[00:44] <Black_Magic> its going kinda slow :/
[00:45] <esox> pen: its fr.archive.ubuntu.com, not . org
[00:45] <leftyfb> Black_Magic: lets pretend for a minute that this channel has anything to do with your problem ... why do you have it setup like that? Why not put the router behind the cable/dsl model like it should be?
[00:46] <Black_Magic> leftyfb: I already have a Router in my network...
[00:46] <Black_Magic> its just a fourm of internet connection sharing...
[00:46] <pen> esox: sorry
[00:46] <esox> pr
[00:46] <pen> esox: then try change it to archive.ubuntu.com
[00:46] <esox> pen: ok
[00:46] <leftyfb> Black_Magic: windows ICS?
[00:47] <Black_Magic> leftyfb: ICS?
[00:47] <leftyfb> is the laptop a windows machine?
[00:47] <leftyfb> how is the laptop sharing the internet?
[00:47] <Black_Magic> leftyfb: it goes Wireless ADSL Router -> laptop -> eth0 -> router <- WinXP Wireless Machine
[00:47] <Black_Magic> laptop is Ubuntu
[00:47] <Black_Magic> its the one sharing internet..
[00:48] <Black_Magic> the windows machine is reciveing
[00:48] <leftyfb> isn't that what the ADSL router is for?
[00:48] <pen> esox: does that solve it? can you do partial update?
[00:48] <hmuller> crimsun:  I'm back, I have one created previously and in use, because of x (mis)autoconfiguration
[00:49] <thompa> latest update hosed my wireless and also hardware drivers wont open
[00:49] <Black_Magic> Only have One Ethernet port...
[00:49] <Black_Magic> i mean Cord
[00:49] <Black_Magic> and no USb's
[00:49] <esox> pen: one minute, it asked for the CD, for the first time...
[00:49] <hmuller> crimsun: The xorg.conf I created works in -15
[00:49] <m1r> Black_Magic: why not conect xp to 1st wlan router ?
[00:49] <Sergeant_Pony> has anyone gotten sound to work with xchat?
[00:49] <pen> esox: because in the software source you check to ask for CD
[00:49] <erle-> Raspberry, now totem let x crash without firefox running
[00:50] <erle-> just the totem player
[00:50] <yippy> will ubuntu 8.04 include firefox 3 ?
[00:50] <pen> esox: uncheck that so it won't ask for cd
[00:50] <yippy> and pidgin 2.4.1 ?
[00:50] <Black_Magic> m1r: Because its a Modem Not really a Router...
[00:50] <esox> pen: stuff are happening
[00:50] <erle-> but after x restart i opened the same file and it did not crash again
[00:50] <pen> yippy: of course, and the lastest one b5
[00:50] <Black_Magic> Just Ethernet...
[00:50] <m1r> Black_Magic: it has wireles ?
[00:50] <pen> esox: what do you mean? is it updating?
[00:50] <leftyfb> Black_Magic: if the ADSL router is a router(how many LAN ports does it have?) , and you only have 1 cord, then plug the cord into your laptop like you're doing now and connect the xp machine to the ADSL router wirelessly. I don't don't what the problem is here.
[00:50] <esox> pen: by luck, I just burned a CD
[00:50] <esox> pen: yes think so
[00:50] <leftyfb> then it's a not a router
[00:50] <yippy> pen: but firefox 3 is far away from final, no ?
[00:50] <leftyfb> make that straight next time
[00:50] <leftyfb> now
[00:50] <pen> esox: you don't need the cd, just uncheck the cd in software source
[00:51] <thompa> network manager dissapeared in -26 now back on -24 its also gone
[00:51] <yippy> firefox 3 final is due in a few month, no ?
[00:51] <pen> yippy: I don't know, I think b5 is far better than the other betas
[00:51] <esox> pen: I think french servers are out of order, I have thos issue since 2 days
[00:51] <pen> yippy: b5 is very stable now
[00:51] <pen> yippy: for the final I don't know
[00:51] <leftyfb> plug your REALY router into the ADSL MODEM, plug the laptop into the router using a cord and connect the xp machine to the real router wirelessly
[00:51] <Black_Magic> leftyfb: Router = No Wireless Capability....
[00:51] <pen> esox: I see
[00:51] <Black_Magic> The first one...
[00:51] <leftyfb> jeezus
[00:51] <Black_Magic> ADSL
[00:51] <yippy> so 8.04 final will uses a major non-final product ?!?
[00:51] <thompa> i think latest compiz wont let me open certain windows of apps
[00:52] <pen> esox: actually, when I go to my server list, in french there is no server called fr.archive.ubuntu.com
[00:52] <esox> pen:  hope it wont install in english...
[00:52] <leftyfb> the ADSL modem is not a router, it's a modem .... this "router" you have ... is it wireless?
[00:52] <pen> esox: I can give you some french servers
[00:52] <hmuller> crimsun:  I didn't scroll up far enough.  That log was with nvidia.  You'll notice nvidia is mentioned in the log, but it's using vesa.
[00:52] <pen> esox: you can change it again
[00:52] <Black_Magic> leftyfb: The ADSL is Modem Correct and the extra router is wireless
[00:52] <esox> pen: yes ok
[00:52] <yippy> how can 8.04 LTS come out with beta firefox in it ?!?
[00:52] <leftyfb> Black_Magic: then try connecting things like they should and like i've told you 3 times to do
[00:52] <hmuller> crimsun: I'm in -15 now, do you want a copy of this Xorg.0.log to compare with that produced with -16?
[00:52] <m1r> Black_Magic: then switch routers
[00:52] <Black_Magic> and i want the computer to go through my Firewall and use My IP not the routers...
[00:53] <crimsun> hmuller: yes, please.
[00:53] <Black_Magic> so i can host servers etc on it and such
[00:53] <leftyfb> Black_Magic: ADSL modem -> wireless router -> ubuntu laptop via ethernet + xp machine via wireless
[00:53] <hmuller> crimsun: It'll be there shortly
[00:53] <leftyfb> that's how it's done
[00:53] <leftyfb> regardless ... this channel is for help with Ubuntu Hardy Heron, not half-assed network configurations
[00:54] <Black_Magic> leftyfb: I came in here asking about DNS server not how to set it up
[00:54] <Black_Magic> all im looking for is a DNS server i can host off computer...
[00:54] <Black_Magic> i already have mostly everything else working
[00:54] <pen> esox: I got ftp.crihan.fr, ubuntu.univ-nantes.fr, wwwftp.ciril.fr, ubuntu.univ-reims.fr, ftp.free.fr
[00:54] <mneptok> Black_Magic: don't run DNS unless you have to
[00:54] <pen> esox: then them
[00:54] <Black_Magic> mneptok: Why not?
[00:54] <yippy> how can 8.04 LTS come out with beta firefox in it ?!?
[00:54] <pen> esox: *try
[00:54] <mneptok> BIND is a security nightmare. or, at least, has been.
[00:54] <leftyfb> Black_Magic: you're doing it half-assed
[00:55] <Black_Magic> leftyfb: im fine with that....thank you
[00:55] <pen> yippy: 8.04 is not released yet, only beta
[00:55] <yippy> isn't 8.04 out in 2 weeks ?
[00:55] <yippy> the final version that is
[00:55] <pen> yippy: by then FF3 would be out of beta too I think
[00:55] <pen> yippy: I hope
[00:55] <hmuller> crimsun: It's there for your review
[00:55] <m1r> .
[00:55] <yippy> FF3  final won't be out till july atleast
[00:55] <pen> yippy: oh
[00:55] <yippy> it still has "release canidates" to pass on
[00:55] <pen> yippy: I thought beta 5 is the last one
[00:55] <crimsun> hmuller: I'll try to look later; busy ATM and going to have dinner
[00:56] <yippy> pen: last beta, now there will be release canidate 1 and 2
[00:56] <yippy> the question is what does 8.04 come with ?
[00:56] <hmuller> crimsun: I'm not in a rush.  Just trying to help.
[00:56] <pen> yippy: for  the beta version it's b3 i think
[00:56] <leftyfb> so ..... lets talk about this compiz problem ... what happened exactly? I'm noticing it killed off ccsm/simple-ccsm/fusion-icon and is broken :)
[00:56] <pen> yippy: you get updates after you install
[00:56] <pen> yippy: it will install b5
[00:57] <m1r> leftyfb: you too got broken compiz after last upgrade ?
[00:57] <yippy> why does a final product use a beta product?
[00:57] <Moot-point> is there a CLI way to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 without using that stupid upgrade manager?
[00:57] <leftyfb> m1r: on 2, soon to be 3 machines
[00:57] <jonathan_> Hey guys, updated to 2.6.24-16-generic, still have zero sound.   Have an Intel 82801H sound card on the laptop.  Where do I go from here?
[00:57] <usser> leftyfb, update it, they all should be there now
[00:57] <m1r> leftyfb: :)
[00:57] <Moot-point> jonathan_: install OSS4
[00:57] <leftyfb> Moot-point: what's wrong with the "stupid upgrade manager"?
[00:57] <yippy> Moot-point, "do-release-update -d"
[00:57] <esox> pen: thanks for the help
[00:57] <Moot-point> yippy: thank you :)
[00:58] <pen> esox: did them work for you?
[00:58] <esox> pen: I'm stll on us servers
[00:58] <jonathan_> Moot-point, thats not in the repos is it?
[00:58] <esox> still
[00:58] <pen> esox: ok
[00:59] <Dr_willis> wow - cd burning sort of worked once.. then crashed again. Bummer.
[00:59] <leftyfb> usser: ah, thanks ... looks like the MIT server is a bit behind in updating
[01:00] <Moot-point> jonathan_: honestly, i'm not sure. i don't think so
[01:02] <jonathan_> Moot-point, just wondering, but why do you recommend it?  Will Alsa not support that card?
[01:06] <Moot-point> jonathan_: i had good experiences with that exact card and OSS4, but i'm sure Alsa will work when configured right. it probabaly needs an options model= command... i would do some google digging
[01:07] <mneptok> except Hrdy uses PulseAudio, not ALSA, by default
[01:07] <Moot-point> don't get me started on pulseaudio
[01:08] <majost> I thought pulseaudio is a soundserver?
[01:08] <majost> not a driver set
[01:09] <m1r> i am folowing this tutorial : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer , but dhcp server and openbsd-inetd refuses to start after installed, what i am doing wrong ?
[01:09] <leftyfb> hm
[01:09] <leftyfb> jockey-gtk is dieing and compiz is still broken, just differently :)
[01:10] <m1r> netkit-inetd was replaced with openbsd-inetd , does that have any problems with starting needed services ?
[01:10] <leftyfb> I think compiz isn't working because jockey-gtk (restricted drivers manager? ) isn't starting
[01:10] <Moot-point> leftyfb: what's wrong with your compiz?
[01:10] <daekdroom> jockey-gtk is useless when failsafe resets your xorg.conf and you can't proprely configure it using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:10] <Moot-point> leftyfb: that would do it
[01:10] <Moot-point> leftyfb: what video card?
[01:10] <daekdroom> and yes, jockey-gtk is broken but don't blame it.
[01:11] <leftyfb> Moot-point: it broke with the last update, wouldn't start or anything, even lose ccsm, etc ... the update fixed that much, but compiz still won't start and neither will "Hardware drivers"
[01:11] <Moot-point> leftyfb: what video card?
[01:11] <daekdroom> I can't install my video drivers using jockey even when it works because Xorg.conf doesn't set which is the video card.
[01:11] <m1r> i have same problems here Moot-point
[01:12] <leftyfb> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AS [Radeon 9550]
[01:12] <leftyfb> that's one machine
[01:12] <leftyfb> out of 3
[01:12] <leftyfb> the other is Intel, this is nvidia
[01:12] <Moot-point> leftyfb: you don't need restricted drivers to run compiz with a 9550, radeon+AIGLX works fine
[01:12] <leftyfb> so it's not video card brand/driver specific
[01:12] <leftyfb> it's not video card brand/driver specific
[01:12] <leftyfb> I have all 3 running here and "jockey-gtk" dies on all 3
[01:13] <Moot-point> leftyfb: it wouldn't seem that way, why are you using jockey?
[01:13] <daekdroom> Moot-point: Do you know how I get a xorg.conf like using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg like in Gutsy? I need to have my videoboard name setted in xorg.conf to use jockey :/
[01:13] <leftyfb> that's what the "hardware drivers" manager uses now
[01:13] <daekdroom> Btw, lastest version of jockey seems to be broken.
[01:13] <leftyfb> I wanted to check it out to make sure the restricted driver was enabled, but it's dieing
[01:13] <leftyfb> bingo
[01:14] <m1r> :)
[01:14] <m1r> ok 3 of us with same problem :)
[01:14] <Moot-point> leftyfb: as i said, you shouldn't need it
[01:14] <daekdroom> I start it from console emulator and it gives a traceback
[01:14] <leftyfb> Moot-point: shouldn't need it for better ATI/nvidia performance?
[01:14] <pen> Is there anyway to remove applet from the gnome-panel?
[01:14] <m1r> Moot-point: that error we get when trying to run restricted driver manager , Jockey-gtk crashing
[01:14] <pen> I add the dwelling mouse
[01:14] <Moot-point> pen: sessions-manager
[01:14] <pen> I can't right click to remove it
[01:14] <daekdroom> but even when it was working it didn't detect my ATI card. and I NEED a correctly made xorg.conf (new dpkg-reconfigure doesn't set it right, neither does displayconfig-gtk)
[01:15] <leftyfb> Moot-point: restricted drivers are required for better performance for most ATI and Nvidia cards
[01:15] <pen> Moot-point: I can't finr it
[01:15] <pen> Moot-point: I mean
[01:15] <Moot-point> leftyfb: that's arguable on the ati side
[01:15] <m1r> leftyfb: correction : for preformance :)
[01:15] <pen> Moot-point: the applet I want to remove from the panel
[01:15] <pen> Moot-point: they are not in the session maanger
[01:15] <Moot-point> leftyfb: besides, you can always package/compile from ati's site
[01:15] <crimsun> hmuller: please, please attach a version using the Nvidia driver.
[01:15] <Moot-point> pen: is it in ps -e?
[01:15] <crimsun> hmuller: in -16, that is.
[01:16] <leftyfb> Moot-point: you're in the wrong mindset for ubuntu and the average user
[01:16] <crimsun> hmuller: you'll probably need to create /etc/X11/xorg.conf specifying Driver "nvidia"
[01:16] <Moot-point> leftyfb: that's extremely true, but this is a beta ;)
[01:16] <hmuller> crimsun: nvidia won't load in -16
[01:16] <hmuller> crimsun: even sudo modprobe nvidia
[01:16] <pen> Moot-point: ps -e?
[01:16] <hmuller> crimsun:  my xorg.conf already includes that
[01:17] <pen> Moot-point: you mean it's a process that I can terminate?
[01:17] <pen> Moot-point: it's an applet for gnome-panel
[01:17] <daekdroom> How do I set my xorg.conf in a way that it'll make jockey-gtk detect my videoboard?
[01:17] <leftyfb> regardless, on the machine with ATI, when trying to enable advanced desktop effects, jockey-gtk crashes and compiz is not enabled. This is broken and a problem.
[01:17] <pen> Moot-point: i can't right click to remove
[01:18] <crimsun> hmuller: where does the modprobe fail?
[01:18] <xtknight> hmuller, speaking of the nvidia problem right?
[01:18] <xtknight> yes sudo modprobe nvidia freezes
[01:18] <xtknight> taints the kernel
[01:18] <Nwallins> Hi, apt is reporting 49 packages held back
[01:18] <daekdroom> jockey-gtk won't work anymore on ubuntu 8.04 because there isn't any tool to configure xorg.conf, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg resets it and displayconfig don't set the stuff that jockey needs to work.
[01:18] <xtknight> whatever's in lrm no longer works for the new kernel
[01:18] <hmuller> xtknight: yes
[01:18] <Nwallins> how can i diagnose / resolve?
[01:19] <daekdroom> Nwallins: did you try apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[01:19] <hmuller> crimsun: I'll have to reboot into -15 to get you the specific error message, you want it?
[01:19] <crimsun> hmuller: did you mean into -16?
[01:19] <daekdroom> hmuller: didn't you read the topic?
[01:19] <crimsun> hmuller: and yes, that would be good.
[01:19] <Nwallins> daekdroom: trying now
[01:19] <hmuller> crimsun: yes
[01:19] <xtknight> daekdroom, it's a differnt problem
[01:19] <Nwallins> daekdroom: i think that will work -- thought I tried it earlier
[01:19] <hmuller> crimsun:  back in a 2
[01:19] <leftyfb> daekdroom: what does that mean exactly? Are you saying it's temporarily broken or are we in a transition to another solution? Because the way it is right now is not good.
[01:20] <daekdroom> leftyfb: What I mean is that Ubuntu 8.04 will have some serious issues with hardware detection :p
[01:20] <xtknight> jockey-gtk crash is known, Bug 215027
[01:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215027 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'getSections'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215027
[01:20] <xtknight> been trying to nag some people in the know, about it
[01:20] <leftyfb> i'll go file a "me too"
[01:20] <leftyfb> since this needs a bit of attention
[01:20] <xtknight> there's packages there for you to try
[01:20] <xtknight> that fix the issue
[01:20] <crimsun> I should remove that topic bit.
[01:21] <gluer> q: what benefits do i get from upgrading gutsy to hardy?
[01:21] <xtknight> ya change it to nvidia problems --> Bug 215976
[01:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215976 in ubuntu "nvidia driver not found with 2.6.24-16 kernel(64 bit) (dup-of: 215778)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215976
[01:21] <xtknight> :p
[01:21] <daekdroom> leftyfb: sarcasm apart. I can't make jockey detect my videboard because it's device name isn't set at xorg.conf and there's no tool that makes it, as they made a new dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as it doesn't configure anything now
[01:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215778 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "2.6.24-16.30 kernel update - nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215778
[01:22] <daekdroom> leftyfb: and Envy, downloaded driver and tutorials to install fglrx always make X break.
[01:22] <leftyfb> daekdroom: has this always been the case? jockey was detecting my ATI and nvidia drivers just fine until today jocket won't even run, forget detecting hardware.
[01:22] <xtknight> gluer, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta
[01:22] <Moot-point> Envy is from the devil
[01:22] <hmuller> crimsun: produced by sudo ...: FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[01:22] <ethana2> Moot-point: I've heard that before
[01:22] <ethana2> Moot-point: you baptist?
[01:22] <ethana2> ^_^
[01:23] <xtknight> hmuller, crimsun ya same thing here.  and sudo modprobe -i nvidia (skip install cmd) reports 'no module nvidia' or something like that
[01:23] <leftyfb> Hope this gets fixed soon, less than 2 weeks till release. RC in 2 days.
[01:23] <daekdroom> leftyfb: it stopped detecting after I got the first time into failsafe. Failsafe makes a new xorg.conf that doesn't set device names. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't set em anymore. Do you get the situation?
[01:23] <leftyfb> er, RC in 6 days, sorry
[01:23] <xtknight> hmuller, 64bit?
[01:23] <Moot-point> hmuller: so.. you broke it?
[01:23] <daekdroom> leftyfb: I have no way to make it work except if I get an untouched xorg.conf to edit.
[01:23] <hmuller> xtknight: yes, amd64
[01:23] <crimsun> I need to catch my gf for dinner, but I'll be back late tonight.
[01:23] <hmuller> crimsun: enjoy
[01:24] <leftyfb> daekdroom: I guess, although I never need to drop into fail-safe-doesn't actually fix anything mode. Not to mention, you should have at least 1 or a few backups of your xorg.conf that you can pull from.
[01:24] <hmuller> Moot-point: Quite the opposite, trying to help fix it
[01:24] <leftyfb> daekdroom: or at the very least, boot to a live cd and pull that one.
[01:25] <hmuller> xtknight: with sudo -i ..., I get:  FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[01:25] <daekdroom> leftyfb: Hm. Well. I tried xorg.conf backups, but not LiveCD.. Even tho I think LiveCD uses a generic xorg.conf
[01:25] <xtknight> hmuller, yup
[01:25] <xtknight> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  gives you a fresh xorg.conf, and under Device just add your driver name
[01:25] <xtknight> daekdroom, ^
[01:25] <xtknight> if that's what you were needing
[01:25] <daekdroom> xtknight: but in which string should I do it?
[01:25] <daekdroom> I tried "boardname" and "Device"
[01:26] <xtknight> daekdroom, under Section "Device", add "Driver" "nvidia"  or xyz
[01:26] <daekdroom> xtknight: No No no!
[01:26] <leftyfb> regardless of jockey, compiz is still broken ... not sure if this is dependent on jockey working or not.
[01:26] <daekdroom> I need to set the device name.
[01:26] <daekdroom> So jockey will see my videoboard
[01:26] <xtknight> daekdroom, Identifier?  BoardName?  VendorName?  under Device as well
[01:26] <xtknight> i think jockey uses pci ids not boardnames?
[01:27] <xtknight> but i dont know
[01:27] <daekdroom> It probally uses xorg.conf
[01:27] <xtknight> i mean, jockey worked on my first boot
[01:27] <xtknight> that's the point of jockey
[01:27] <daekdroom> Because it doesn't see my videoboard since first failsafe
[01:27] <daekdroom> and my vboard works nice on Windows
[01:27] <xtknight> daekdroom, i am surprised jockey even runs for you
[01:28] <xtknight> unless you applied the patch above?
[01:28] <daekdroom> hm. It doesn't run since last patch.
[01:28] <daekdroom> but it ran before it, however it never detected my vboard after first failsafe
[01:28] <xtknight> ah
[01:33] <CoasterMaster_> Are the current updates broken?
[01:33] <daekdroom> jockey-gtk is broken
[01:34] <xtknight> nvidia is also broken
[01:34] <daekdroom> only for kernel -16 (64 bits I think)
[01:34] <Moot-point> well nvidia is broken because jockey is broken :P
[01:34] <xtknight> nah
[01:34] <Turski> i think kernel dependencies are broken
[01:34] <daekdroom> Those problems are unrleated
[01:34] <xtknight> yea
[01:34] <daekdroom> *unrelated
[01:35] <daekdroom> jockey doesn't run on kernel -15, nvidia driver does
[01:37] <leftyfb> ok, fixed the jockey-gtk with the patch posted in the bug report ... but compiz is still broken
[01:37] <CoasterMaster_> is there a way to kill pulseaudio?
[01:37] <tacone> compiz back again ?
[01:37] <Turski> http://pastebin.com/m515d9bc1
[01:37] <Xiol> CoasterMaster_: permanently?
[01:38] <Turski> that's kinda weird
[01:38] <CoasterMaster_> Xiol, no
[01:38] <Xiol> CoasterMaster_: sudo killall -9 pulseaudio
[01:38] <CoasterMaster_> i did killall pulseaudio, but is there anyother
[01:38] <Turski> ah, that problem is grub related
[01:38] <CoasterMaster_> i think it died on it's own, but i'll kill it again
[01:38] <Xiol> CoasterMaster_: use -9, basically a force kill
[01:38] <Moot-point> coastermaster: pkill pulseaudio ?
[01:38] <Turski> grub-probe: error: Cannot get the real path of `/dev/sdb'
[01:39] <CoasterMaster_> Yeah it was already dead from when I asked nicely ;)
[01:39] <Xiol> CoasterMaster_: could always try shutting it down with it's init script.. (sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop)
[01:39] <CoasterMaster_> Xiol, thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
[01:39] <Turski> yeh, now my upgrade is working
[01:40] <CoasterMaster_> And as one more question, I hear this batch of updates breaks things...is that true?
[01:40] <Turski> had old hd in devices.map
[01:40] <Xiol> CoasterMaster_: it's beta... try it and see :) (no but seriously, what? haha)
[01:40] <Luckrider> it was yesterdays updates Coaster_Master
[01:40] <Luckrider> and they fixed it is a couple of hours
[01:41] <CoasterMaster_> oh hey I have two copies of Xchat open!
[01:41] <Luckrider> I have already updated twice since that
[01:41] <CoasterMaster> hello other me
[01:41] <Luckrider> lol
[01:41] <Xiol> haha
[01:41] <cipher_> hi. is there a way to get compiz working again? latest upgrade broke compiz because the package libcompizconfig0 was left with the old version 0.7.2 and all others where upgraded to 0.7.4 :(
[01:41] <Luckrider> I do that sometimes on accident
[01:41] <CoasterMaster> that's the dangerous part about more than one desktop :)
[01:41] <daekdroom> cipher_: they broke compiz but it'll be fixed soon.
[01:41] <Luckrider> lol
[01:41] <Luckrider> !compiz
[01:41] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[01:42] <Luckrider> I doubt that there is anything useful there
[01:42] <cipher_> ah ok. its just that one package - almost looks like they just forgot it ^^
[01:43] <CoasterMaster> they probably put a 1 instead of a zero :)
[01:43] <tacone> all: ok, compiz works again. you have just to reinstall it
[01:44] <Xiol> if you don't know what compiz is, someone describing it as a "compositing window manager" is not going to help you at all
[01:44] <tacone> sudo apt-get install compiz-gnome (and compiz-settings-manager and maybe fusion-icon)
[01:44] <m1r> ﻿i am trying to follow this tutorial https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer , but dhcp server dont start after install, what could i do about it ?
[01:45] <Xiol> what dhcp server are you using? can't you start it manually with it's init.d script?
[01:45] <Fritzel> does anyone have a clue why mplayer keeps refusing to play quicktime or real media, it looks like it's going ot play it but then it decides it works too hard and demands a raise
[01:45] <Xiol> its*
[01:45] <m1r> Xiol , dhcp3-server
[01:45] <Luckrider> xiol ubotu is a bot, so it doesn't understand
[01:45] <Xiol> Fritzel: codecs installed?
[01:46] <Fritzel> as far as I can tell, but I don't really know
[01:46] <Xiol> Luckrider: i know, i'm just making an observation :)
[01:46] <Luckrider> oh
[01:46] <Luckrider> you are talking about whoever wrote that
[01:46] <Xiol> m1r: have you tried starting it manually?
[01:46] <Luckrider> i think there is a funny command hold on
[01:46] <Luckrider> !snacktime
[01:46] <leftyfb> ok, might have found the compiz problem .....
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snacktime - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <Luckrider> oh
[01:46] <m1r> Xiol , /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start/stop/restart , fails always
[01:46] <Luckrider> hmm, I can't remeber it
[01:46] <Luckrider> !snack
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <Luckrider> nope
[01:47] <Fritzel> Xiol: do you happen to know the name of the codecs package?
[01:47] <Xiol> Fritzel: not sure tbh. have you tried running "apt-cache search quicktime"?
[01:47] <m1r> Xiol , even if i uninstall it and install it again, it dont start
[01:48] <Xiol> m1r: hmm, to be honest i'm not sure what else to suggest then. is your config correct?
[01:48] <visik7> why Xrandr doesn't work on nvidia on hardy ?
[01:48] <m1r> Xiol , think so
[01:49] <Xiol> m1r: i'd double check. if the server isn't starting but it's installed correctly it's probably falling over on the config
[01:49] <leftyfb> for anyone with compiz problems still : sudo apt-get install compiz-gnome libdecoration0 libdecoration0-dev (after fixing the jockey-gtk problem from https://launchpad.net/bugs/215027 )
[01:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215027 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'getSections'" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:49] <Xiol> Fritzel: think you're looking for libquicktime1
[01:49] <Fritzel> alright I'll try that thank you
[01:49] <m1r> ok, i recheck  , tnx Xiol
[01:49] <Pelo> my usb flash drive now mount read only and as volumes (ie I get a pie chart when I right click > properties) , and I can'T get them back as before when I was in gutsy where I could write to them , I trie dto chagne permission , the owner doesn'T even have enought access to change them and I'm root
[01:51] <Fritzel> that didn't work
[01:51] <Xiol> hmm
[01:52] <Fritzel> I'm going to see if I have any better luck with vlc's plugin
[01:53] <cipher_> leftyfb still unmet dependencies when i try to install compiz-gnome. some packages are still on the wrong version
[01:53] <Xiol> Fritzel: do you have the ubuntu-restricted-extras package installed?
[01:53] <Xiol> Fritzel: some quick googling tells me you may have luck with that
[01:53] <leftyfb> cipher_: update /upgrade again, then try
[01:53] <leftyfb> cipher_: using us.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:53] <Fritzel> no but I do have kubuntu-restricted-extras and I'm on kubuntu
[01:53] <leftyfb> the MIT mirror I was using wasn't updated yet
[01:54] <Xiol> ah, i presume that's the same thing then
[01:54] <Xiol> not tried KDE for a few releases now, should really get a VM set up...
[01:54] <Fritzel> trying vlc now
[01:55] <cipher_> leftyfb there we go. i got de.archive.ubuntu.com   ... i guess i just have to wait few mins/hours
[01:55] <leftyfb> just change de to us for now
[01:55] <leftyfb> :%s/de.archive/us.archive/g
[01:56] <leftyfb> in vi
[01:58] <DanaG> Error starting domain: virDomainCreate() failed Failed to add tap interface 'vnet%d' to bridge 'br0' : Operation not permitted
[01:58] <DanaG> argh.
[01:59]  * Pelo reports that his permission problem seems to have been fixed in -22
[02:00] <m1r> Xiol: tnx m8, it seems it didnt create /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
[02:01] <compwiz18> anyone else having trouble with their mouse double clicking instead of simply single clicking when any button is pressed?
[02:01] <Tu13es> hmm
[02:01] <m1r> compwiz18: yes, somtimes it does start to doubleclick on all
[02:01] <Fritzel> Xiol: I could use mplayer plugin for firefox if you happen to know how to get rid of the blockyness
[02:01] <Tu13es> my Intel 3945abg died with today's updates
[02:01] <Tu13es> doesn't show up in ifconfig
[02:01] <Tu13es> what can I do?
[02:02] <cipher_> leftyfb thx!! the us.archive is working. compiz packages have now correct versions and are working
[02:04] <leftyfb> ok, now i gotta go babysit a datacenter for a couple hours
[02:04] <leftyfb> bbl
[02:07] <DanaG> Error starting domain: virDomainCreate() failed Failed to add tap interface 'vnet%d' to bridge 'br0' : Operation not permitted
[02:07] <Jaffarkelshac> !grub
[02:07] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:08] <DanaG> where'd sn9 go?
[02:11] <visik7> anyone got problems with nvidia ?
[02:14] <DanaG> Hmm, apparently I have to gksudo virt-manager.
[02:14] <DanaG> Otherwise, it doesn't work.
[02:18] <Dr_willis> visik7,  No nvidia problems here.
[02:18] <DanaG> I haven't installed the latest nvidia update.
[02:18] <DanaG> No changelog == I don't install.
[02:19] <visik7> Dr_willis: resolution panel doesn't work here and nvidia-settings neither
[02:19] <visik7> moreover dual head broke composite
[02:20] <Dr_willis> I havent updated/upgraded today.  Yet.... :)
[02:20] <american> anyone have luck getting ati grpahics card to work with suspend/hibernate?
[02:20] <visik7> there aren't any Xorg or nvidia related upgrade
[02:21] <Dr_willis> visik7,  i am using a xorg.conf generated by the nvidia tools.  that may be why mine is working. :)
[02:21] <visik7> mmm
[02:21] <visik7> I could try with the gutsy xorg.conf
 Does anyone knows who manufactures Dell's laptop motherboard's? I can't find any reference to a manufacturer in the mobo itself. Any manufacturer will do, for any model</offtopic>
[02:22] <Pici> x1250: perhaps #ubuntu-offtopic would be a better place to ask.
[02:23] <x1250> aa didn't know that channel, thanks Pici
[02:23] <xtknight> visik7, amd64?
[02:24] <tacone> question: what kernel should I have right now ? I have .15.
[02:24] <xtknight> x1250, see if you can find the oem in "sudo lshw" or "sudo hwinfo"
[02:24] <xtknight> tacone, best stay with .15 if you have amd64/nvidia
[02:24] <tacone> also: shuold I have the package "linux" installed ? (I've not)
[02:24] <xtknight> tacone, not needed as linux-image supplies 'linux'
[02:24] <tacone> xtknight: sigh, I have.
[02:25] <xtknight> tacone,  Bug 215976
[02:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215976 in ubuntu "nvidia driver not found with 2.6.24-16 kernel(64 bit) (dup-of: 215778)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215976
[02:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215778 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "2.6.24-16.30 kernel update - nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215778
[02:25] <xtknight> same
[02:25] <xtknight> :(
[02:25] <visik7> xtknight: no
[02:25] <x1250> xtknight: the laptop is dead right now, ac jack connector trouble...
[02:25] <visik7> xtknight: why ?
[02:25] <xtknight> visik7, known issue with amd64/nvidia.  are you using hardy and having trouble with nvidia?
[02:26] <daekdroom> x1250: It's a couple different manufactures
[02:26] <visik7> xtknight: definitly
[02:26] <xtknight> visik7, i386 though and the module ins't loading is it?  did you get the .16 kernel update?
[02:26] <x1250> daekdroom: do you have any name/website?
[02:26] <daekdroom> x1250: Did you try checking Dell website itself?
[02:26] <visik7> xtknight: the module loads
[02:26] <tacone> thanks xtknight, I should note I had problems with nvidia even with the current kernel.
[02:26] <xtknight> ah
[02:26] <xtknight> tacone, interesting
[02:27] <xtknight> .15/nvidia was fine here
[02:27] <x1250> daekdroom: there's no mention of the laptop parts manufacturers. I guess Dell makes some parts, but not others.
[02:27] <visik7> xtknight: but xrandr doesn't work and composite is broken when running in dual head  (even if the Xorg.log says that damage and compiste are enabled but compiz says it isn't)
[02:27] <tacone> xtknight: I have Intel+Nvidia
[02:27] <xtknight> tacone, same here
[02:27] <tacone> xtknight: I solved installing via nvidia website
[02:27] <daekdroom> x1250: I don't think any comp manufacturer use OEM motherboards nowdays
[02:27] <tacone> using their installer
[02:27] <xtknight> tacone, yeah i could do it although this bug is important as it will break a lot of peoples' machines
[02:28] <daekdroom> *think any
[02:28] <xtknight> eh
[02:28] <xtknight> i doubt Dell manufactures their own boards?
[02:28] <x1250> me too
[02:28] <tacone> xtknight: my question is. why didn't I get any upgrade question to the new kernel ?
[02:28] <daekdroom> Dell don't manufactures boards
[02:28] <daekdroom> that "don't" wasn't supposed to be there
[02:28] <daekdroom> :p
[02:28] <xtknight> ah
[02:28] <visik7> xtknight: moreover gutsy 64 hasn't all this problems
[02:29] <xtknight> tacone, prolly cause you need to do dist-upgrade
[02:29] <tacone> xtknight: thanks
[02:30] <xtknight> visik7, not really sure what the deal is, w/ your config
[02:30] <xtknight> visik7, you didn't enable xinerama did you?
[02:30] <xtknight> compiz requires twinview
[02:30] <visik7> xtknight: mmm
[02:31] <DanaG> Okay, here's my impression of using virt-manager instead of virtualbox: it sucks -- my VM can't connect to the network.
[02:31] <x1250> I guess is something silly, but I wanted to know how much would cost to build you own custom laptop, just curious
[02:31] <Fritzel> evil evil discovery channel :P
[02:31] <visik7> xtknight: you pjut doubts in my mind I'll check when I'll reboot into hardy
[02:32] <Fritzel> thought I'd watch some mythbusters and I can't get to the client to watch em online it pulls a, you're not windows, therefore I'm not giving you the client
[02:32] <tacone> xtknight: dist-upgrade tells nothing
[02:32] <tacone> xtknight: shuold I apt-get install linux ?
[02:32] <xtknight> Fritzel, search for a greasemonkey script
[02:32] <DanaG> ... and it makes my desktop twitch in color.
[02:32] <DanaG> *blink* *twitch* *flicker*
[02:32] <Fritzel> to do what?
[02:32] <xtknight> tacone, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:32] <DanaG> quite continuously.
[02:33] <xtknight> Fritzel, bypass the windows check
[02:33] <tacone> xtknight: already did
[02:33] <xtknight> prolly one for discovery channel
[02:33] <xtknight> tacone, you prolly need to reboot for the new kernel -16 to load
[02:33] <tacone> xtknight: apt-get told there's nothing to upgrade.
[02:34] <Fritzel> I'm sorta doubting that FF3B5 will be compatible with something like that
[02:34] <Fritzel> I'll look though
[02:34] <Fritzel> can you install firefox 2 and 3 at the same time?
[02:34] <xtknight> greasemonkey is popular
[02:34] <xtknight> so probably
[02:34] <xtknight> Fritzel, ya
[02:36] <Luckrider> how do i show what operating system I am using in xchat?
[02:36] <Dr_willis> i noticed that i have ff2 and 3 both installed.. and the firefox-2 command..launches firefox3
[02:37] <xtknight> hmm
[02:37] <Luckrider> that is strange, is it pointing to the right place?
[02:37] <xtknight> use the shortcut?
[02:37] <xtknight> might need to close all FF3 windows before trying firefox-2 i dunno
[02:37] <Luckrider> yes
[02:37] <Luckrider> that might help xtknight
[02:38] <ethana2> greasemonkey is popular because sites are scripted poorly
[02:38] <Luckrider> you can only runn one version at a time
[02:38] <ethana2> they expect everyone to use black against white
[02:38] <Fritzel> xtknight: ot dpesm
[02:38] <ethana2> ..white against black is better
[02:38] <Fritzel> -cough-
[02:38] <Dr_willis> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2008-04-02 19:56 /usr/bin/firefox-2 -> ../lib/firefox/firefox-2*
[02:38] <xtknight> ?
[02:38] <Fritzel> xtknight: it doesn't look like there is one
[02:38] <Luckrider> how do i show what operating system I am using in xchat?
[02:38] <Luckrider> anyone?
[02:39] <visik7> Luckrider: we are not interested :)
[02:39] <Luckrider> oh
[02:39] <VousDeux> hello, I am in the process of upgrading Kubuntu to version 8.04 LTS...it has stopped and says that a new version of /etc/bash_completion is available...it says that the installed version has been locally modified and wants to know if I want to keep the local version or install the package maintainer's version...I did not personally modify this file and I don't know which choice would be better...any thoughts?
[02:40] <xtknight> VousDeux, package maintainer
[02:40] <DanaG> Or hit D to see the difference.
[02:40] <visik7> VousDeux: replace with the one provided by the new package
[02:40] <amerio> hey guys , the latest update of hardy I got stopped compiz-fusion  from working , any idea?
[02:41] <VousDeux> I looked for the difference, but I probably would recognize it if it bit me
[02:41] <visik7> VousDeux: replace with the one provided by the new package
[02:41] <xtknight> amerio, do you use nvidia?
[02:42] <xtknight> and amd64?
[02:42] <amerio> xtknight yup the output of "compiz --replace" in terminal is "Couldn't find a perfect decorator match; trying all decorators Found no decorator to start"
[02:42] <usser> VousDeux, even if u keep to override it this file is not essential dont worry
[02:42] <VousDeux> okay, thanks everyone
[02:42] <acmeDS> :o
[02:42] <usser> amerio, update again it was missing some packages
[02:42] <usser> amerio, initially
[02:42] <amerio> usser i made another update and restarted but same problem
[02:43] <xtknight> amerio, amd64?
[02:43] <amerio> stknight intel
[02:43] <gaminggeek> ubuntu had decided that my screen res is 1024 x 768 although I want 1440x900
[02:43] <prana> using sun-java6-jre, when i'm on battery and running javaws, pdflush/kjournald seem to want to flush some data every second. any ideas why?
[02:43] <xtknight> amerio, are you running 32bit or 64bit ubuntu though
[02:43] <amerio> stknight 32
[02:43] <amerio> ops
[02:43] <xtknight> amerio, ok see if direct rendering is enabled.  glxinfo | grep rendering
[02:44] <usser> amerio, check if compiz-gnome is installed
[02:44] <amerio> xtknight yes its enabled
[02:44] <visik7> gaminggeek: I've solved a similar situation removing /etc/X11/xorg.conf (backup it first)
[02:44] <Ketzerei> I keep getting an [Errno 5] Input/Output error when I try to install Ubuntu. Any suggestions?
[02:44] <Ketzerei> About 20% through the installler process. Earlier today it got completely through, but GRUB didnt install correctly and hasnt been able to finish since.
[02:44] <visik7> Ketzerei: damaged support ?
[02:44] <gaminggeek> visik7: but I have all the stuff for my tablet in there
[02:44] <Ketzerei> What?
[02:45] <amerio> usser: thanx =)
[02:45] <visik7> Ketzerei: damaged media ?
[02:45] <visik7> gaminggeek: back it up
[02:45] <usser> amerio, did it work?
[02:45] <visik7> gaminggeek: or delete all but that settings
[02:45] <amerio> usser: yup i've installed compiz-gnome
[02:45] <Ketzerei> No, the live cd check checks out, the md5 is fine, i burned using k3b at 16x, etc.
[02:45] <amerio> xtknight thanx to you too
[02:45] <Ketzerei> Its all fine.
[02:45] <usser> amerio, oh nice.
[02:45] <Ketzerei> It does the same thing with 7.10
[02:46] <xtknight> amerio, you fixed it>
[02:46] <Ketzerei>  alternate too. Same with kubuntu.
[02:46] <gaminggeek> visik7: there is nothing in there hardy handles the xserver differently
[02:46] <amerio> xtknight yup i installed compiz-gnome , re-run the compiz and its working now
[02:46] <xtknight> ahh
[02:46] <amerio> thanx all .. cheers
[02:48] <jscinoz> hmm
[02:49] <jscinoz> i wish usplash was replaced by splashy, splashy is so nice :P
[02:49] <DanaG> I want fbsplash, myself.
[02:49] <DanaG> It makes consoles look nice.
[02:50] <jscinoz> never heard of it, i'll give it a look
[02:50] <teamcobra> hey everyone
[02:50] <Noah0504> Hardy is dimming the screen on my notebook every time at boot.  Anyone know what's up?
[02:50] <jscinoz> but still, splashy is light years ahead of usplash
[02:50] <teamcobra> fbsplash is nice
[02:50] <daekdroom> jscinoz: tried to brainstorm it?
[02:50] <jscinoz> Noah, try system > preferences > power management > and untick dim display on idle
[02:51] <jscinoz> noah, you may need to do that on both AC power  and battery tabs
[02:51] <Noah0504> jscinoz: I'll do that and reboot.  I'll let you know.
[02:51] <jscinoz> daekdroom, i'll go have a look it its on brainstorm, theres also a 21 page thread going with a vote in favor of splashy by 82% http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=477426
[02:52] <jscinoz> also, splashy could help with the SlickBoot spec.
[02:52] <jscinoz> i've got both splashy and X running at 1280x800x24 so there's no mode change :D
[02:52] <jscinoz> also got my console running at that res :)
[02:54] <DanaG> WTF?
[02:54] <DanaG> My VM didn't get an IP address.
[02:55] <Fritzel> is there any reason that opera designed for 7.10 wouldn't work on hardy?
[02:55] <Fritzel> a package designed for 7.10 rather
[02:55] <daekdroom> Because there are changes in lib versions from gutsy to hardy
[02:56] <Fritzel> so don't try it then?
[02:56] <daekdroom> No. It's just not sure it'll work.
[02:56] <jscinoz> splashy 0.4 is going to be so nice, custom shape progress bars, GL support, festival integration, fsck support (only thing usplash is winning on :P) and multivector progress bars (circles!)
[02:56] <Fritzel> if it doesn't work would it be a pain to cleanup?
[02:56] <jscinoz> fritzel, if its a deb, and it install without and dependency hackery, then no
[02:56] <teamcobra> woah, gl and festival support
[02:56] <teamcobra> that's pretty big
[02:57] <jscinoz> http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/roadmap
[02:57] <Fritzel> ok umm how do I install a local deb?
[02:57] <jscinoz> fritzel, from console "sudo dpkg -i debpath" or double click it :P
[02:57] <jscinoz> graphical deb installer is gdebi-gtk
[02:58] <Fritzel> do you happen to know the kde equivilant of gdebi-gtk?
[02:58] <jscinoz> one second
[02:58] <jscinoz> gdebi-kde
[02:59] <Fritzel> thank you
[03:01] <jscinoz> ugh, suspend is annoying >_<
[03:01] <Noah0504> jscinoz: That didn't work.  I also tried unticking the backlight brightness.  It still dims the brightness on boot no matter what it is set to.
[03:01] <jscinoz> hang on a sec
[03:02] <jscinoz> *waits for google to load, curses throttled internet connection*
[03:03] <Noah0504> jscinoz: Ouch.
[03:03] <jscinoz> Noah0504, there appears to be a bug filed with this problem https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/12637
[03:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 12637 in linux-source-2.6.15 "LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot" [Medium,Confirmed]
[03:03] <jscinoz> see if anything on that page is of use.
[03:04] <jscinoz> this is annoying, s2ram works perfectly with the --force option, s2disk works perfectly, but s2both only suspends to disk, as there's no way for it to pass the --force to the suspend to ram portion >_<
[03:04] <Noah0504> Yeah, I've already gone through it.  There's not really a fix.  Just people commenting on the problem.
[03:05] <jscinoz> ugh, out of ideas then >_<
[03:06] <Noah0504> jscinoz: It's something I can live with, just annoying.
[03:06] <Noah0504> haha
[03:06] <jscinoz> hmm, anyone know where the suspend to ram whitelist lives?
[03:06] <Noah0504> We'll see if maybe it gets fixed.
[03:07] <jscinoz> I was lucky enough to have one of those laptops where almost everything works out of the box
[03:07] <jscinoz> webcam, 3 audio in/out ports (all are independently switchable between input or output), suspend (aside from the issue i mentioned above), glx (with nvidia driver), multimedia keys, even the little remote it came with work :)
[03:07] <jscinoz> xps m1330 <3
[03:08] <Ketzerei> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4700200#post4700200 <--- Can anyone help me?
[03:08] <jscinoz> those screenshots are fun to load on my current connection >_<
[03:08] <jscinoz> Dodgy hard disk?
[03:09] <Ketzerei> No, see thats the thing, its just fine....
[03:09] <jscinoz> i had something like that a while ago, turned out the disk had bad sectors.
[03:09] <jscinoz> oh
[03:09] <jscinoz> >_<
[03:09] <Ketzerei> I've installed tons of oses on it, including kubuntu, but now NOTHING will install and fsck says its fine.
[03:10] <jscinoz> thing is, fsck checks the file system, afaik it doesnt do lowlevel checks like bad sectors
[03:10] <jscinoz> and since you're formatting the disk with new partitions
[03:10] <Ketzerei> How do i do that then?
[03:10] <jscinoz> not too sure, hang on a minute
[03:10] <Ketzerei> Okay
[03:10] <bjron> what's the difference between eth0 and eth0:avahi ?
[03:10] <bjron> (this avahi bit is new to me)
[03:11] <m1r> wohooo PXE install working , tnx for all who helped out
[03:11] <jscinoz> Ketzerei, apparently the disk manufacturer should provide a bootable ISO on thier website (western digital, seagate, etc) that can do low level checks
[03:11] <jscinoz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83223
[03:11] <tech0007> is is safe to upgrade to -16? i dont use any restricted drivers.
[03:12] <Ketzerei> Okay... thanks
[03:12] <jscinoz> Ketzerei, also looking at how you were going to partition it, i would recommened making separate partitions for / and /home
[03:13] <Ketzerei> Why? I've never done that before, and have never needed too
[03:13] <jscinoz> if you ever need to reinstall or want to do a clean upgrade you can keep configuration and documents and such
[03:13] <jscinoz> as they are stored on /home
[03:14] <Ketzerei> Okay
[03:14] <jscinoz> on your 80gb disk, i'd go for 10gb root and the rest /home  (minus your double ram sized swap)
[03:14] <jscinoz> how much RAM have you got installed?
[03:14] <kadko> I'm sorry if I download the Ubuntu Hardy when it will be oficial released my "beta vercion" will update to the final vercion or i need to redownload the new vercion?
[03:15] <jscinoz> kadko, will update automatically through update-manager, apt-get, synaptic or whatyever
[03:18] <Ketzerei> 1.5 gb
[03:20] <Ketzerei> Hey, does anyone know how to determine you hd model without opening your case?
[03:20] <Ketzerei> your*
[03:20] <acme64> yo guys
[03:21] <jscinoz> ketzeri, then do 10gb root, 67gb home and 3gb swap. Note that home may need to be a bit smaller due to disks usually being smaller than advertised
[03:21] <xtknight> how do i install KDE4 Kubuntu on a regular Ubuntu installation?
[03:21] <xtknight> there's no kubuntu4-desktop for example
[03:21] <acme64> need help installing the nvidia drivers in 8.04
[03:21] <echinos> anyone else having problems with gnome-settings-daemon failing?
[03:21] <Megiddo> acme64: search envy and linux in google
[03:21] <prakriti> when I do updates and it says it cant install all packages, should I do a partial update or something like an unsafe-upgrade from the command line?
[03:21] <xtknight> !envy
[03:21] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[03:22] <acme64> ty
[03:22] <xtknight> acme64, just goto system administration hardware drivers
[03:22] <echinos> acme64: give it a shot, worked for me, just make sure you install the kernel-headers too
[03:22] <acme64> kernel headers?
[03:23] <echinos> yeah... apt-get install kernel-headers-<kernel-version>
[03:23] <echinos> it's so the nvidia driver module can be installed
[03:23] <acme64> oic xtknight
[03:23] <jscinoz> Ketzeri, there was a command but i forgot it >_<
[03:23] <acme64> ill wait for the adept thing to finish
[03:23] <xtknight> acme64, do you have amd64?
[03:23] <acme64> c2d
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`
[03:23] <xtknight> acme64, which ubuntu did you download, 32bit or 64bit?
[03:23] <acme64> 32
[03:23] <xtknight> ah you're fine then
[03:24] <acme64> your kinda cute urself
[03:24] <xtknight> lol
[03:24] <xtknight> yes hardware drivers is a lot easier to use ;)
[03:24] <acme64> ;)
[03:24] <acme64> i remember insalling them on feisty
[03:24] <xtknight> except you'd need to use envy or nvidia.com if you had 64bit.  as it's broken
[03:24] <acme64> that was a nightmare
[03:24] <xtknight> right now at least
[03:25] <Megiddo> Has there been any bug reports regarding wired networks? KNetworkManager says that it's sending packets but never receiving in Hardy, but it's working fine in Gutsy
[03:26] <DanaG> That's odd: my qemu VM has no sound card.
[03:26] <acme64> i just had to troubleshoot my eth0
[03:26] <DanaG> So far I've seen nothing that makes me want to switch to qemu / kvm over virtualbox.
[03:26] <acme64> had to adjust some forcedeth settings
[03:26] <acme64> what card u using Megiddo
[03:26] <Megiddo> Not sure of the model, it's on my Asus mobo
[03:26] <m1r> DanaG: vbox still no1 ;)
[03:27] <VousDeux> After I upgraded to Hardy, I had no cursor control (neither the USB mouse nor touchpad would work). I tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (with and without the -phigh), but it keeps throwing an error about overwriting possibly-customised configuration file.
[03:27] <acme64> i got an asus too..
[03:27] <acme64> nvidia chipset?
[03:27] <Megiddo> Correct acme64
[03:27] <acme64> lol same problem as me i bet
[03:27] <Megiddo> What did you do to fix it?
[03:28] <acme64> gotta do uh..forcedeth msi=0 msix=0
[03:28] <Megiddo> Is that a command or a config?
[03:28] <VousDeux> I copied the xorg.conf to xorg.conf.hardy, then restored the xorg.conf that worked in Gutsy...I also tried booting the older 14-generic kernel
[03:29] <acme64> uh
[03:29] <VousDeux> I have not had any luck finding anything on Google about this.
[03:29] <acme64> no idea lol
[03:29] <acme64> i had to do rmmod forcedeth
[03:29] <acme64> or soemthing to that effect
[03:30] <acme64> then the msi=0 command, then uh, something.../network restart
[03:30] <VousDeux> any idea how I can get my mouse control back?
[03:30] <acme64> sorry, im a noob at all this, and i dont remember right
[03:31]  * DanaG casts FORCEDETH upon ye all.
[03:31] <DanaG> That name really does sound like a spell of some sort.
[03:31] <Megiddo>  # rmmod forcedeth
[03:31] <Megiddo> # modprobe forcedeth msi=0 msix=0
[03:31] <Megiddo> # /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:31] <Sergeant_Pony> did anyone figure out about jockey-gtk crashing?
[03:31] <Megiddo> Like that acme?
[03:32] <acme64> yea!
[03:32] <Megiddo> Yay okay
[03:32] <Megiddo> I'll give hardy another shot then
[03:32] <acme64> heh
[03:33] <acme64> OOH
[03:33] <acme64> its forced eth
[03:33] <acme64> lol
[03:33] <Megiddo> Yes
[03:33] <acme64> i was wondering why i was forcing death on my board...
[03:33] <Megiddo> Haha
[03:33] <acme64> leenux so crazy
[03:33] <acme64> ok, that system driver thing isn't launching now
[03:33] <acme64> window never opens
[03:34] <Sergeant_Pony> ?
[03:34] <Megiddo> As far as downloading a daily build (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20080411/), is that using the latest packages or is it everything pulled from SVN?
[03:34] <Megiddo> Or Git or whatever each package uses
[03:34] <acme64> brb gotta reboot
[03:36] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone?
[03:40] <adiabatic> hi, I'm running update manager, and I got a 404 error for xorg (iirc) and said I didn't want to continue. what should I do to fix this? Just wait longer?
[03:44]  * adiabatic starts a full upgrade
[03:44] <adiabatic> ok, a partial full upgrade
[03:48] <esox> when I use wine : jean-martin@jm:~$ wine Desktop/ConfWiFi.exe
[03:48] <esox> preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000
[03:48] <esox> err:dosmem:setup_dos_mem Cannot use first megabyte for DOS address space, please report
[03:49] <IdleOne> #winehq
[03:50] <esox> IdleOne:
[03:50] <esox> OK
[03:51] <bjron> hmm,  new install of Hardy on my laptop and I'm having no luck connecting to my wireless - it says it's connected but won't/can't grab an IP from the router
[03:56] <jscinoz> hmm this is annoying
[03:57] <jscinoz>  /usr/share/acpi-support/* are the various whitelists for suspend yes?
[04:02] <levmatta> ubuntu whants to remove the "compiz" package should I let it??
[04:02] <rdg> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 8.04 ia_64 on a Dell T105 and nothing is working. I can't get the installer to recognize my SATA DVD-ROM when it needs to detect the media
[04:02] <rdg> and I can't get to mount a USB stick so I can loop mount an ISO to /cdrom and just move forward
[04:02] <rdg> anyone have any solutions/
[04:02] <usser> bjron, lemme guess intel 3945?
[04:02] <IdleOne> levmatta: what does it want to install in it's place?
[04:02] <usser> levmatta, no wait till package list gets updated on  your mirror
[04:03] <levmatta> usser: I imagined it was something like that (too strange)
[04:03] <rdg> and for some reason, from the console in the installer, I can plug in my USB stick, and dmesg says it's found @ /dev/sdc and if I   'ls /dev/sdc*' it shows sdc and sdc1 but when I go to run mount it says 'No such device'
[04:04] <levmatta> IdleOne: I will answer you, just a sec
[04:04] <usser> levmatta, yea seems your server lags behind, you can switch to main in synaptic mirrors it has updated packages
[04:05] <levmatta> IdleOne: kernel 16, command compiz-core, gnome-panel, the list goes on and on
[04:06] <IdleOne> I would do what usser says and switch to the main server and then see what it says
[04:06] <VousDeux> everything appeared to be going smooth when I upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy, but after rebooting I had no mouse control. I cannot seem to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg because it says warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file
[04:07] <DanaG> Move the existing /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere else, then re-run dpkg-reconfigure.	
[04:07] <DanaG> Either that, or find a backup from Gutsy and copy that over the Hardy one.
[04:09] <VousDeux> I deleted the xorg.conf, but it gave me an md5sum error...I have copies of several versions of the xorg.conf
[04:11] <VousDeux> it seems like I remember having to execute some command because of md5sum last year, but I have no idea what it was
[04:11] <rdg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/211041  in fact, that's the same issue i'm having
[04:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211041 in ubuntu "Install of 64-bit 7.10 Server fails - Can't detect SATA DVD-ROM" [Undecided,New]
[04:13] <VousDeux> the copy of xorg.conf that I deleted was the one that worked in Gutsy
[04:13] <DanaG> That's silly.
[04:14] <DanaG> It's far better to move stuff, rather than deleting it.
[04:14] <VousDeux> Okay, the newly created xorg.conf now returns the same warning as before
[04:15] <VousDeux> why...I have copies
[04:19] <VousDeux> well, it boots with the newly created xorg.conf too, but still no mouse. I have a USB mouse and a touchpad...neither are working.
[04:20] <VousDeux> I tried unplugping and replugging the USB mouse...no luck
[04:21] <VousDeux> unplugping??? hehe...unplugging even
[04:21] <esox> I have issue with wine, even after removing cleaning .wine and installing again
[04:21] <esox> http://rafb.net/p/GpwR8Q67.html
[04:21] <VousDeux> toggling the touchpad does nothing either
[04:22] <VousDeux> when I try to boot the old 14-generic kernel, I don't even get a gui
[04:22] <esox> I didnt have that before updating to hardy
[04:22] <DanaG> Hmm, find an older xorg.conf, perhaps.
[04:23] <VousDeux> alright...thanks for helping :)
[04:24] <sivel27> hello all
[04:28] <VousDeux> oh, hey...I placed my old tried-n-true xorg.conf.vesa into the catbird seat, and now I have cursor control
[04:29] <VousDeux> I guess I just need to figure out how to get from here back to better drivers
[04:31] <VousDeux> I wonder why my backup of xorg.conf.nvidia doesn't work in Hardy :/
[04:35]  * DanaG has his xorg.conf here:
[04:35] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[04:36] <VousDeux> thanks for the reference
[04:37] <VousDeux> I probably just need to start with that vesa driver and install the nvidia-glx again
[04:37] <DanaG> The nvidia tweaks are rather poorly documented, but I've put comments in the touchpad tweaks.
[04:39] <VousDeux> cool...maybe my touchpad will actually work right now...before I could not configure it and it was way too touchy...all could do was toggle it off or on
[04:41] <LetterRip> hi since upgrading to hardy I've been unable to access my cd/dvd combo drive
[04:41] <LetterRip> doing a ls /dev doesn't show /dev/hda
[04:42] <LetterRip> any suggestions?
[04:43] <dubby> hey anyone here know how to make my computer a gateway, so that I may share my internet with other computers on my lan?
[04:43] <sielnt_> LetterRip: when you put a cd in does anything mount to a /dev/cdrom_ ?
[04:44] <LetterRip> it doesn't seem to
[04:44] <LetterRip> my cdrom drive spins up and makes some noise
[04:46] <LetterRip> trying to do cd /dev/cdrom2 gives 'not a directory'
[04:46] <sielnt_> its' a device
[04:46] <sielnt_> it should mount to /media/
[04:46] <hansheng> hello~`  when sudo displayconfig-gtk , can't change the them? or sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg no let me choose my Monitor and display card? how can I do?
[04:46] <owen1> how to remove enlightment and replace with gnome?
[04:47] <Stroganoff> dubby you need dnsmasq and ipmasq
[04:47] <usser> does flashplugin-nonfree constantly crash firefox for anybody?
[04:48] <LetterRip> sielnt_, i have cdrom and cdrom0 in /media
[04:48] <sielnt_> usser: It used to, not sure if it still does
[04:48] <usser> if i use the one downloaded from adobe.com it works just fine
[04:48] <sielnt_> Letter, cd /media/cdrom0
[04:48] <Stroganoff> dubby: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-17594.html
[04:48] <usser> sielnt_, wonder whats up with that
[04:49] <LetterRip> sielnt_, hmm looks like it might have been a dirty lens
[04:49] <usser> ah nah even adobe version still crashes
[04:51] <im-a-n00b> hey all... i've got an ati question... will be upgrading to hardy once its released and im doing a bit of research before hand... are the drivers in the repos now the same as the ati ones you get from the site or are they different?
[04:51] <sielnt_> LetterRip: Is it mounting your cds?
[04:51] <LetterRip> i'm using a lens cleaning dvd now
[04:52] <LetterRip> vlc appears to have tried to open it
[04:52] <LetterRip> but then froze
[04:52] <LetterRip> so presumably it is mounting
[04:53] <sielnt_> LetterRip: good
[04:54] <LetterRip> hmm still getting - Unable to open 'dvd:///dev/hda' in vlc
[04:54] <im-a-n00b> are the ati drivers in the repos the same as from the ati site?
[04:56] <ionstorm> i see the latest updates do not have nvidia-glx
[04:56] <ionstorm> does it not need it?
[04:56] <ionstorm> ie the new kernel
[04:56] <LetterRip> sielnt_, ok definitely working now
[04:56] <LetterRip> ttyl
[05:00] <im-a-n00b> are the ati drivers in the repos the same as from the ati site.... anyone??
[05:01] <usser> im-a-n00b, they are probably the latest
[05:01] <usser> im-a-n00b, beta includes most current versions of all software
[05:03] <im-a-n00b> usser: on the ati site?? im wondering for when i install hardy... now that the ati drivers are open source i was wondering if they are the same as in the repo
[05:04] <usser> im-a-n00b, well there's restricted drivers which are the same as ati's and there's opensourced that really are quite a bit behind
[05:04] <im-a-n00b> usser: lol sorry for the question... just that im using linux for gaming :) and want all the performance i can squeeze from it :)
[05:04] <usser> im-a-n00b, u stuck with a wrong videocard :) get nvidia
[05:05] <im-a-n00b> usser: ok so installing the restricted will give me the same as from the site.. just without having to build it myself from the ati script?
[05:05] <icanhasadmin> usser: that's not terribly constructive help
[05:05] <usser> im-a-n00b, yes
[05:05] <im-a-n00b> usser: lol.. that would have been a good option.. but didnt come on the laptop i wanted
[05:05] <usser> icanhasadmin, well ati is not terribly constructive so its not my fault
[05:05] <icanhasadmin> usser: is the current restricted driver up to date? i wasn't under that impression...
[05:06] <usser> icanhasadmin, its gotta be
[05:06] <im-a-n00b> icanhasadmin: its all good.. i realise that ati was a pain when i tried for compiz on 7.04
[05:06] <icanhasadmin> and why does it "gotta be"
[05:06] <icanhasadmin> im-a-n00b: ati really isn't half as big of a pain, they've made leaps and bounds in the last year.
[05:07] <im-a-n00b> icanhasadmin: true... thats why im happy with their opensource direction.. i was wondering if the repos had picked them up yet :)
[05:07] <usser> icanhasadmin, cause they dont release all that often and ubuntu betas tend to include most current software
[05:08] <icanhasadmin> im-a-n00b: may i ask what's wrong with using the radeon driver and AIGLX? or is this for more than just compiz?
[05:09] <im-a-n00b> icanhasadmin: its a bit more.. there is a noticable difference in games
[05:09] <im-a-n00b> icanhasadmin: i like going to lan parties.. being the only linux user there and showing it off :)
[05:10] <icanhasadmin> im-a-n00b: gotcha, well the new catalyst drivers work great. i'm not sure what version is in the repos honestly, although usser's argument makes sense.
[05:10] <usser> just looked it up version in the repos is 8.3
[05:10] <sielnt_> im-a-n00b: and then everyone starts playing games and the forget about you until you boot your windows partition
[05:11] <sielnt_> they*
[05:11] <usser> same as the one on the site
[05:11] <im-a-n00b> lol.. come to think of it. i and people like me are peobably why the irc channels are flooded with people asking how do i game in linux and how do i get my gfx working
[05:12] <im-a-n00b> sielnt_: lol.. i use wine for diablo2 and starcraft... windows partition hasnt booted in ages
[05:12] <usser> heh not really linux is great for gaming
[05:12] <im-a-n00b> hoping that starcraft2 will run in wine.. or better yet.. have a linux installer :)
[05:12] <icanhasadmin> i should bash that
[05:12] <DanaG> Handy thing for Starcraft:
[05:12] <usser> for instance is it possible to run any game in a windows on windows without OS crapping up on you every time
[05:13] <DanaG> Glide wrapper.
[05:13] <DanaG> er, for Diablo.
[05:13] <DanaG> 2.
[05:13] <usser> err *in a window
[05:13] <xtknight> anyone else get random prolonged freezes in firefox that relieve themselves in a few seconds?
[05:13] <im-a-n00b> usser: cool.. thanks for the info on the 8.3 drivers :)
[05:14] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: yes.. only sometimes mine doesnt unfreeze itself.. and needs a killall -9 firefox-bin
[05:14] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: i think my problems with that come from flash
[05:14] <xtknight> im-a-n00b,  oh a -9 huh?
[05:15] <usser> xtknight, thats probably flash related
[05:15] <xtknight> i dont know.  mine wil happen with no flash
[05:15] <usser> xtknight, oh
[05:15] <xtknight> maybe nspluginwrapper is still loaded in memory and leaking, or something, or maybe an ad i didn't notice
[05:15] <xtknight> i was just clicking an image and boom freeze....then 10secs later repaint
[05:15] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: only other time ive noticed something similar is when loading lots of lolcat pages
[05:15] <xtknight> lol
[05:15] <usser> haha
[05:15] <im-a-n00b> but it doesnt need the killall
[05:16] <xtknight> well i was loading a picture of a "flash mob", so there
[05:16] <xtknight> lol
[05:16] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: could be the firefox version too...
[05:16] <xtknight> ff3b5
[05:17] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: hmm.. ok.. i have the same sort of issue in the nightlies
[05:17] <xtknight> i wanted to get epiphany-webkit working.  wondered if it would be more reliable
[05:18] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: ... i.... dont even know what that is.. yes.. im a n00b
[05:18] <xtknight> im-a-n00b, ah epiphany's a browser also based on Gecko like firefox.  it's basically easier firefox.  and -webkit is supposed to be an alternate "backend", or "web rendering engine" for it.  webkit is what powers apple's safari
[05:19] <xtknight> supposed to be fast and compliant with standards.
[05:19] <usser> opera
[05:19] <xtknight> but i didnt have much like w/ it
[05:19] <xtknight> compiling it, that is
[05:19] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: oh.. that sounds like fun to play with.. is it the one that scores real high in the acid3 test?
[05:19] <xtknight> im-a-n00b, yeah
[05:19] <xtknight> well opera also passes that now
[05:20] <xtknight> i just think opera looks big bulky and *oo*gly
[05:20] <xtknight> i think it's still Qt(like KDE), and it doesn't really integrate well with GNOME anyways.
[05:20] <im-a-n00b> i liked opera... but i missed some of my extensions :( its speed was nice
[05:20] <xtknight> with no adblock, there seems no advantage of opera over epiphany-webkit
[05:20] <usser> yea its qt
[05:21] <im-a-n00b> lol... i think im probably the only kde / compiz user here now too lol
[05:21] <xtknight> i found opera faster in some situations, slower in others.  found webkit faster at basically everything
[05:21] <xtknight> i wanted to try KDE4 on my regular ubuntu, didn't know how to install it?
[05:21] <xtknight> kubuntu-desktop=kde3?
[05:21] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: i loved its gui speed (opera that is)
[05:22] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: havent got to play with that yet...
[05:22] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: not sure how it will play with compiz
[05:22] <im-a-n00b> going to have to set up a test machine
[05:22] <im-a-n00b> .... with an ati card.. lol..
[05:23] <im-a-n00b> when using 7.04 i was upset that i couldnt get compiz running on my machine but i could on a friends nvidia box.. lol.. how i envious i was lol
[05:23] <xtknight> yeah nvidia generally cooperates better w/ linux
[05:24] <xtknight> surprised ati hasn't cleaned their act up after all this, but they have recently released the documentation needed for developers to make open source drivers for their new RadeonHD cards (er at least 2D?)
[05:25] <Luckrider> !google
[05:25] <ubotu> google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[05:25] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: i.. thought they had..
[05:26] <xtknight> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home great site for 3d stuff
[05:26] <xtknight> always up to date
[05:27] <adiabatic> hi, I'm following the instructions on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=213420 and it says to 'boot in recovery mode', which isn't an option that LILO gives me. can I do uname -r and apt-get stuff by getting into my system from the livecd?
[05:27] <VousDeux> !nvidia
[05:27] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:27] <xtknight> adiabatic, do you use lilo or grub?
[05:27] <adiabatic> lilo. grub doesn't like my machine.
[05:27] <xtknight> o
[05:28] <xtknight> adiabatic, well i can get you the cmd line for recov mode wuold that help?  i think the main thing is, you add "single" to the boot line to get single user(root) mode
[05:28] <xtknight>  kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.24-15-generic root=/dev/md0 ro single
[05:28] <adiabatic> yeah, I should be ok (keeping fingers crossed) if I can get to a bash prompt
[05:28] <xtknight> replace "ro quiet splash" with "ro single" for recov
[05:29] <adiabatic> ...and...er...where does that line go?
[05:29] <xtknight> for lilo, i've no idea
[05:29] <xtknight> init=/bin/bash can also help you get to a root prompt
[05:29] <im-a-n00b> adiabatic: isnt there an option on boot to edit the boot line?
[05:30] <xtknight> actually how did you even install lilo?
[05:31] <xtknight> accidentally 'sudo rm -rf''ing a dir sucks.  i'm glad that one missed my Work stuff :\
[05:31] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: i think you can after doing an expert install from the alternate or server cd
[05:31] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: OUCH!!!
[05:31]  * xtknight starts backing up more often
[05:32] <xtknight> yeah there was a nice 20 gig vmware XP ready to be deleted there
[05:32] <xtknight> and it missed it
[05:32] <xtknight> lol
[05:32] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: yay for rsync L)
[05:32] <im-a-n00b> :)
[05:32] <xtknight>  i mean ctrl-c'd in the middle as i realized what i did was bone-headed
[05:32] <xtknight> involuntary housecleaning is sometimes nice though
[05:33] <xtknight> i dont have to worry about "organizing" those folders anymore :p
[05:33] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: thats gotta hurt lol..... all ur informations
[05:33] <icanhasadmin> shred is fun too
[05:33] <adiabatic> xtknight: staceman's instructions on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=409345
[05:34] <adiabatic> (I think)
[05:34] <xtknight> ohh
[05:34]  * DanaG goes and compresses adiabatic.....-ly. (should be -ally without the hyphen, actually.)
[05:35] <xtknight> adiabatic, you're installing 2.6.15 for dapper?
[05:36] <xtknight> i mean what was the site you linked earlier http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=213420 ?
[05:36] <adiabatic> I'm on 8.10 now
[05:36] <adiabatic> xtknight: yes
[05:36] <xtknight> !hardy
[05:36] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[05:36] <xtknight> 8.04? :p
[05:37] <xtknight> or did you get that early release of Intrepid they told no one about..
[05:37] <icanhasadmin> xtknight: he's from the future.
[05:37] <adiabatic> xtknight: I'm not that clued-in
[05:37] <xtknight> well anyways what were you trying to do?
[05:37] <xtknight> er *are* you trying to do?  if anything, now? :)
[05:38] <m1r> does anyone know if prism54usb.ko on amd64 is same as on normal install alternate cd ?
[05:38] <xtknight> m1r, hmm, reason to suspect that it isn't?
[05:38] <Lynoure> adiabatic: version numbers are year.month, so 8.10 would be, unexpected
[05:38] <adiabatic> xtknight:  boot into my machine that gave me a "is big; kernel setup stack" error
[05:39] <m1r> xtknight: usb wlan adapter works on amb64 and dont on alternate 32 bit
[05:39] <xtknight> hmm
[05:39] <m1r> same file ?
[05:39] <m1r> can i try copy it over ?
[05:39] <xtknight> adiabatic, the dapper is on another machine you ssh into, or is it also on the local machine?
[05:39] <xtknight> or not dapper at all?
[05:40] <xtknight> that's what the lnk mentioned that's why i wondered
[05:40] <xtknight> m1r, nope you can't load a .ko from a 64bit into a 32bit.  but you can report a bug if you're sure that's the case..
[05:40] <m1r> i just dont have luck, been installing whole night alternate 32bit over PXE to laptop without cdrom/floppy and it always breaks install on 85% :/
[05:40] <xtknight> hmm
[05:41] <xtknight> could just be hardy breakage, who knows
[05:41] <VousDeux> I can't seem to get the nVidia driver to work...the problem seems to be with the md5sum for the xorg.conf, but I'm not sure what to do about it
[05:42] <m1r> if it breaks again ... , then i install just cli and update all over internet it seems :/
[05:42] <adiabatic> xtknight: urk, can't even get the version numbers memorized. I'm using 8.04 (Hardy)(the one that comes with Firefox 3 betas), and it's not booting anymore after I did a large upgrade today. The machine hasn't been turned on in maybe a month or so, though.
[05:42] <im-a-n00b> m1r: does it have the problem on wvdial?
[05:43] <im-a-n00b> adiabatic: may need rebuilding?
[05:43] <xtknight> adiabatic, ah ok so what machine are you on now?
[05:43] <xtknight> or livecd?
[05:43] <adiabatic> xtknight: I'm using xchat on vista
[05:44] <xtknight> ah
[05:44] <xtknight> adiabatic, if it's a separate /home partition probably easiest to just download the latest hardy beta and install over.  if not, install over if you're not going to lose any data
[05:44] <m1r> im-a-n00b: no wvdial, think last package is seahorse
[05:45] <DanaG> I have too much customized stuff to ever want to fresh-install again
[05:45] <adiabatic> xtknight: urk. ok.
[05:45] <m1r> DanaG: there cant be too much ;)
[05:45] <im-a-n00b> m1r: ok.. my install always had problems with wvdial.. (although it was on gutsy).. had to kill the process on install to proceed further
[05:45] <im-a-n00b> m1r: it sounded similar
[05:46] <im-a-n00b> DanaG: partimage :)
[05:46] <DanaG> or faubackup.
[05:46] <DanaG> Then I can just rsync back.
[05:46] <m1r> im-a-n00b: it just drop red screen saying it cant continue (using alternate install cd)
[05:46] <DanaG> No other easy backup tool I've seen can do "one filesystem only"
[05:47] <im-a-n00b> m1r: maybe it needs a switch like noapic and nolapic
[05:47] <Lynoure> DanaG: most rsync based ones I've seen can.
[05:47] <m1r> im-a-n00b: that i need to set on start of install :/ that means waiting all packages to transfer again
[05:47] <DanaG> Hmm, can you recommend any with a GUI for scheduling, and with multiple snapshots?
[05:48] <im-a-n00b> m1r: no alternate cd?
[05:48] <DanaG> Like, dare I say it, "Time Machine" -- sure, it's not the first to do it, but it's a prime example of a really easy one.
[05:48] <Lynoure> DanaG: dirvish certainly can, but did you want hourly backups or something? (no GUI for dirvish, though, easy to make, though)
[05:48] <m1r> im-a-n00b: alternate cd install over PXE
[05:48] <DanaG> Backup is a bit overboard; weekly would be enough.
[05:48] <DanaG> The next laptop I get will have Intel AMT... so I can redirect boot to a full-size ISO over the network.  Then again, that might be SLOWER than the actual DVD drive.
[05:49] <im-a-n00b> m1r: unfortunately i havent done a pxe install.. but i assume that at some point you can set boot install options
[05:49] <m1r> im-a-n00b: yes at start only
[05:50] <m1r> im-a-n00b: same like CD, just it fetch data from local server
[05:50] <im-a-n00b> m1r: ok so when u get the install screen up (im assuming it come up) press the key that corrispondes with boot options down the bottom of the screen
[05:51] <Lynoure> DanaG: thats then quite disk-intensive to backup, I think
[05:51] <im-a-n00b> and im pretty sure u just tack noapic and nolapic on the end of that string
[05:52] <m1r> now i set only openssh server to be instaled , and again come to 85% when it breaks , argh.....
[05:52] <im-a-n00b> install openssh-server post install
[05:52] <im-a-n00b> so just install the basic system.. and then add extras later
[05:53] <DanaG> "that's then quite disk-intensive" -- what do you mean, and what would be better?
[05:53] <m1r> im-a-n00b: that was my last try, after starts install only openssh, it come to 85% and breaks :P
[05:53] <Lynoure> DanaG: backing up full ISOs, harder to do contents comparation
[05:54] <DanaG> Who said anything about backup ISOs?
[05:54] <DanaG> The thing about AMT was a random topic change.
[05:54] <Lynoure> DanaG: I'm not a mindreader, so I couldn't tell that...
[05:54] <DanaG> aah.
[05:55] <im-a-n00b> m1r: if you press (either ctrl or alt.. forgotten which one) and either f1 f2 f3 or f4 (one of them will show a screen with what its currently doing).. what does it say its upto
[05:55] <m1r> im-a-n00b: nothing on tty's
[05:55] <im-a-n00b> m1r: problem with the source media?
[05:55] <m1r> im-a-n00b: "press to activate" on f2 f3
[05:56] <m1r> im-a-n00b: media is hdd
[05:56] <im-a-n00b> m1r: like....... with one of the packages.. might be corrupt?
[05:57] <m1r> im-a-n00b: would be strange
[05:57] <m1r> used cd only once to install
[05:57] <Kwiells> hi everyone
[05:57] <im-a-n00b> m1r: just that im running out of ideas :(
[05:57] <m1r> me too
[05:57] <Kwiells> can someone please help me get suspend/hibernate to work properly with a ati x1400 graphics card?
[05:58] <TerrorismSux> sup tacos
[05:58] <m1r> im-a-n00b: i will try noacpi next
[05:58] <TerrorismSux> was accidentally in ubuntu
[05:58] <TerrorismSux> OK has anyone here successfully gotten nvidia drivers to work?
[05:58] <Lynoure> m1r: could be a broken package file, you could try  sudo apt-get clean  and then try installing it agoing
[05:58] <m1r> im-a-n00b: does it matter if i set noacpi on laptop ?
[05:59] <Lynoure> s/agoing/again/  (and it there being the openssh-server you had trouble with)
[05:59] <TerrorismSux> i did a apt-get install nvidia-glx and my /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt have a nv option
[05:59] <TerrorismSux> also... restricted driver manager (jockey) fails every time i use it
[05:59] <im-a-n00b> m1r: i dont think it does.... i wouldnt know that one... all i know with that command is that on a machine i was installing.. it wouldnt work properly unless those switches were inplace
[06:00] <Kwiells> I can't seem to go to system - hardware settings
[06:00] <Kwiells> keeps saying Sorry, the program "jockey-gtk" closed unexpectedly
[06:00] <TerrorismSux> Kwiells thats (Jockey)
[06:00] <m1r> im-a-n00b: noacpi is for power managment , so i wonder that i dont overburn that crappy laptop :)
[06:00] <Kwiells> that's not the hardware settings?
[06:00] <TerrorismSux> and its broken
[06:01] <im-a-n00b> m1r: ok.. rats lol
[06:01] <m1r> :)
[06:01] <m1r> im-a-n00b: tnx for help m8
[06:01] <im-a-n00b> m1r: i was hoping it was going to be a good solution that wouldnt have such bad consequences
[06:02] <im-a-n00b> m1r: ill know for next time now :)... thank you :)
[06:02] <Andrew> hello, i am in an EXTREMELY bad situation and i need help IMMEDIATLEY!!
[06:02] <TerrorismSux> lol
[06:02] <TerrorismSux> install xp IMMEDIATELY
[06:02] <m1r> im-a-n00b:  i am not sure, but wouldnt like to test it b4 i know more about it, 2 days i have this lappy :)
[06:02] <Kwiells> TerrorismSux:  How do I fix jockey-gtk so i can mess with the settings for my ati x1400?
[06:02] <TerrorismSux> i joke
[06:03] <TerrorismSux> Kwiells: im trying to figure it out too so that i can get my Nvidia 7900 GS working
[06:03] <Kwiells> ah ok
[06:03] <tritium> Andrew: what is your emergency?
[06:03] <im-a-n00b> m1r: true... you said 85 percent it stops on right.. what package?
[06:03] <TerrorismSux> U'll have to roll back to Gutsy to get it working immediately
[06:03] <m1r> im-a-n00b: i think seahorse but aint 100%sure
[06:03] <Kwiells> well the funny thing is i can actually put this laptop into suspend
[06:03] <Kwiells> it gives me an error when i get back to ubuntu
[06:03] <im-a-n00b> m1r: ill see if i can find something
[06:03] <Kwiells> but still continues as if nothing happens
[06:03] <m1r> and since i cant see tty with install info...
[06:04] <m1r> im-a-n00b: tnx
[06:04] <m1r> i am braindead for tryouts :P
[06:04] <m1r> _for=from
[06:05] <Andrew> tmy ubuntu hardy PC will not start up and in the command line says "loading device drivers....... failed!" and then the startup freezes.
[06:05] <Andrew> i am using linux kernel 2.6.24-16
[06:06] <TerrorismSux> ill try back tomorrow
[06:06] <TerrorismSux> gnight everyone
[06:07] <Andrew> any help, tririum
[06:07] <im-a-n00b> m1r: it is hardy or gutsy?
[06:07] <m1r> hardy
[06:07] <m1r> beta 1
[06:07] <m1r> it stops on configuring packages on 85%
[06:08] <m1r> i wouldnt be messing around so much if that crap laptop would have cdrom or usb cdrom support... :/
[06:08] <im-a-n00b> m1r: does it just hang there?
[06:08] <m1r> red sceen and kicks me out
[06:08] <m1r> to option menu for install again
[06:09] <Andrew> any help, tritium?
[06:09] <m1r> it used to hang on gutsy on 82% , when it was looking for network, but this is completly diferent
[06:10] <tritium> Andrew: that's not a lot to go on...
[06:11] <Andrew> tritium, earlier i installed a lot of updates including a new kernel and i deleted the old kernel before restarting. is that the big mistake?
[06:11] <VousDeux> wholly molly...I have nVidia and cursor control finally :)
[06:11] <Andrew> now, it just stops starting up.
[06:12] <tritium> Andrew: before you delete an old kernel, you should verify that the new one works first.
[06:13] <tritium> Andrew: also, don't run hardy on a critical machine, so you don't end up with an emergency situation when things break.
[06:13] <Andrew> do you mean that i am done for and i have to wipe my hard drive clean and reinstall, tririum?
[06:13] <tritium> Not necessarily.
[06:13] <m1r> hmm
[06:13] <Andrew> it won't even run recovery mode.
[06:13] <m1r> OMG IT PASSED!!!
[06:14] <m1r> cli rocks ;)
[06:14] <icanhasadmin> m1r: welcome brother
[06:14] <tritium> Andrew: that doesn't sound encouraging
[06:15] <m1r> :D
[06:15] <m1r> ty icanhasadmin :)
[06:15] <m1r> now just to see if it will boot :)
[06:16] <vasuvi> I haven't booted up into Ubuntu (Hardy) for a couple months.  Would a dist-upgrade bring me up to date with the (almost) release version with no problem, or would you recommend an install from scratch?
[06:16] <im-a-n00b> m1r: what happened?
[06:17] <m1r> im-a-n00b: i instaled cli and it passed, but from scratch
[06:17] <im-a-n00b> installed cli?
[06:17] <m1r> it seems somthing dont work when installing ubuntu-desktop
[06:17] <m1r> yes
[06:17] <im-a-n00b> you mean u used cli instead of gfx install?
[06:18] <m1r> no no
[06:18] <m1r> in boot options i enterd : cli
[06:18] <im-a-n00b> oh.. ok... what does that so?
[06:18] <m1r> and it instaled without problem
[06:18] <bazhang> vasuvi: you already have hardy installed? then there will be a ton of updates; you can either go for those of get a more recent beta/daily build and go from there--either way if you keep updating you will have final when the day arrives
[06:18] <im-a-n00b> so = do
[06:18] <m1r> server install im-a-n00b
[06:19] <m1r> now i can apt-get rest of stuff
[06:19] <im-a-n00b> m1r: ahh... i used to use the server cds for that... i didnt know a pxe install could so that lol
[06:19] <vasuvi> bazhang: Yes, I was already using the Hardy beta; there are around 600MB of updates to be exact ;)
[06:19] <im-a-n00b> yes... im a n00b ;)
[06:19] <m1r> im-a-n00b: u can set it up to serve anything
[06:19] <m1r> even live cd, but my lappy not strong enough for that
[06:20] <bazhang> vasuvi: on dialup? or have dsl
[06:20] <vasuvi> bazhang: So if I interpret what you say correctly, there shouldn't be any oddities coming from such an earlier beta; I'll probably just do that then, thanks :)
[06:20] <im-a-n00b> m1r: so now you should just have to do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop and all is good right?
[06:20] <vasuvi> bazhang: Nah, DSL.  Slow DSL, but DSL no less (1.5 Mbit)
[06:20] <bazhang> vasuvi: earlier beta? I think you mean alpha ;]
[06:20] <vasuvi> bazhang: Good point!
[06:21] <bazhang> vasuvi: the beta still has a ton of updates, though less than 600MB ;]
[06:21] <K4k-laptop> does anyone here run enlightenment
[06:21] <m1r> im-a-n00b: yes, but 1st i need enable wireless usb with prism54usb that is not working on alternate 32bit install or make internet sharing from this machine , before i start install desktop :P
[06:21] <bazhang> K4k-laptop: have run it yes
[06:21] <im-a-n00b> m1r: ouch
[06:22] <m1r> hehe
[06:22] <vasuvi> bazhang: Upgrading from a chroot in another distro; the old Hardy alpha doesn't like my new video card :D
[06:22] <K4k-laptop> bazhang, I made a ~/.enlightenment/themes dir and put my themes in there but I can't seem to change the themes I've put in there
[06:22] <im-a-n00b> m1r: i went back to the alternate install cause i couldnt get my wireless running from a server install (i had no idea what packages n stuff id need)
[06:23] <bazhang> vasuvi: very clever indeed ;]
[06:23] <vasuvi> bazhang: thanks ;)
[06:23] <m1r> im-a-n00b: if card is suported , should work plug and play
[06:24] <im-a-n00b> m1r: mine only worked after installing ubuntu the normal way... couldnt figure it out on a server install.. which is annoying cause i liked the small foot print install the server install gave me
[06:25] <m1r> im-a-n00b: if u have some known wlan card (pci/usb) then should work instantly
[06:25] <K4k-laptop> bazhang, any suggestions or ideas what's going on?
[06:25] <im-a-n00b> m1r: its in a laptop... intel one i think...
[06:26] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=265818 K4k-laptop this is about an earlier version, but the idea should be the same
[06:26] <im-a-n00b> m1r: but anyway.. lol.. its all good
[06:26] <m1r> im-a-n00b: hehe :)
[06:26] <m1r> important that is working
[06:26] <K4k-laptop> I tried that already
[06:26] <im-a-n00b> m1r: yep :)
[06:26] <alka_trash> I must be missing something here with Pulse Audio, basically when I go to SYSTEM, PREFS, SOUNDS, and select Pulse. my audio then stops working.  I though Pulse was going to be the primary audio for hardy.  any help with be appreciated, thanks
[06:26] <bazhang> K4k-laptop: apparently you need to log out and log in then go to the themes menu and they will be there
[06:26] <K4k-laptop> I made a ~/.enlightenment/themes and put them in there and I don't see it for some reason
[06:26] <K4k-laptop> nope
[06:27] <im-a-n00b> kk... going for a bit.. later all :)
[06:27] <m1r> im-a-n00b: l8r
[06:27] <im-a-n00b> m1r: hope everything works well for you :)
[06:27] <nick123> hi, someone know how to fix nvidia after kernel upgrade
[06:28] <nick123> hi, someone know how to fix nvidia after kernel update
[06:28] <m1r> ok i go reboot for new compiz fix :)
[06:29] <nick123> after the kernel update i loose, nvidia driver and in the way to fix it i lose the sound
[06:30] <bazhang> nick123: what have you tried? what card and what driver and how installed
[06:31] <nick123> i have 128 nvidia card, and i install restrictes-modules - 386 so i so the driver and i restar the pc so i get a slow resolution screen and ask me for video configuration, so i have to configure the monitor and the card so i get back to normal screen but whiout nvidia and sound
[06:33] <nick123> i have 128 nvidia card, and i install restrictes-modules - 386 saw I so the driver and I restart the pc so i get a slow resolution screen and ask me for video configuration, so i have to configure the monitor and the card so i get back to normal screen but whiout nvidia and sound
[06:33] <bazhang> nick123: once is enough ;]
[06:34] <nick123> now i unstall modules ... -386 and try whit envyng but dosnt work, so i try to fix trçhe sound trying to reisntrall gstreamer but dusnt work
[06:34] <DanaG> generic.  Try that kernel instead.
[06:35] <bazhang> nick123: what computer do you have? what cpu?
[06:36] <nick123> pentium V 580 ram
[06:36] <Andrew> bye
[06:36] <bazhang> nick123: could you pastebin your xorg.conf please?
[06:37] <nick123> okis
[06:38] <bhsx> is anyone else having compiz issues since today's update?  i fixed the jockey-gtk errors with help from the forum, but my compiz still doesn't work (borders disappear for a second then reverts back to 'none'
[06:38] <Jordan_U> bhsx, Are you getting 3D acceleration?
[06:38] <bhsx> yes
[06:38]  * DanaG will likely forever and always need an xorg.conf.... since I don't see any sign of improvements for touchpad configurability.
[06:38] <nick123> 502,1 mip Intel(R) Oentium (R) D CPU 280 GHZ
[06:38] <bhsx> glxgears and GLMatrix both work fine/smooth
[06:39]  * Jordan_U hopes that DanaG is wrong as he also maintains touchpad hacks in his xorg.conf
[06:39] <nick123> thanks i will try
[06:39] <Lynoure> DanaG: I recently saw a nice hack that disables touchpad when you are typing
[06:40] <DanaG> I just have 1-finger tap set to do nothing; that removes that problem/
[06:40] <DanaG> while still leaving 2-finger as middle and 3-finger as right.
[06:41] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[06:41] <Lynoure> I manage sometimes to move my curson with my wrist
[06:41] <DanaG> palmdetect is handy, too.
[06:42] <DanaG> Now if only there were an "eliminatemoisture" tweak.
[06:43] <Lynoure> DanaG: what kind of improvements in configurability are you still missing?
[06:43] <DanaG> You can't configure ANY of those things with a GUI... especially without SHMConfig enabled.
[06:43] <DanaG> And you can't input-hotplug synaptics, either.
[06:43] <DanaG> At least, not without losing 100% of the configurability.
[06:44] <salt> Hello. I just tried installing Ubuntu 8.04 on my dell laptop; it has a bcmwl5a wireless card. I tried installing ndiswrapper and using it (worked in 7.04 and 7.10) and it just says ssb is in use instead. I tried modprobe -r ssb but it just says module in use. rmmod doesn't work either. anyone?
[06:44] <Jordan_U> DanaG, There is a key combo on the XO that re-calibrates the capacitance of the touch pad
[06:44] <Jordan_U> DanaG, I wish all laptops had that feature
[06:44] <salt> thanks
[06:45] <salt> please put my name in your response so i see it soon
[06:45] <salt> :x
[06:45] <salt> nobody?
[06:45] <salt> ndiswrapper should really work... a lot of people use it
[06:46] <Daisuke_Ido> the only thing i would like to see is separate acceleration settings for the touchpad and, say a usb-attached mouse
[06:46] <DanaG> salt: can't you use the b43 or b43legacy or bcm43xx drivers?
[06:46] <DanaG> (to unload ssb, unload all of those.)
[06:46] <DanaG> And blacklist them, if you must use ndiswrapper.
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> my touchpad is extremely sluggish, but fine if i turn the acceleration up, but then when i hook up a mouse, it's all whiz, zoom, whoops overshot the button, did it again...
[06:48] <DanaG> I use touchpad almost exclusively.
[06:48] <salt> DanaG,
[06:48] <salt> What is the proper way to "unload" them? I put just "blacklist ssb" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[06:49] <DanaG> modprobe -r b43
[06:49] <DanaG> and then blacklist b43 and b43legacy and bcm43xx.
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i do use touchpad if, say, i'm at school and don't want to dig out the mouse, but half the time i have it set up at home with mouse and all
[06:49] <nick123> hi, im back, thenks, i get my 3d back
[06:49] <nick123> now, I need to fix thesound
[06:49] <DanaG> I actually prefer touchpad -- it has nifty scrolling (horizontal) and lack of RSI that my MX700 induces.
[06:50] <nick123> now, I need to fix the sound some know how to do It, the volume control canot find gstreamer
[06:55] <salt3> DanaG: I'm in Ubuntu now.
[06:55] <salt3> I followed your steps and it didn't work
[06:56] <salt3> i did sudo modprobe -r b43
[06:56] <salt3> and ndiswrapper still doesn't work
[06:57] <salt3> !wifi
[06:57] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:00] <nick123> I need to fix the sound some know how to do It, the volume control can not find gstreamer
[07:00] <SeveredCross> Erf, what the hell.
[07:01] <SeveredCross> I think a kernel panic just killed my computer.
[07:01] <SeveredCross> I went to update.
[07:01] <SeveredCross> And everything locked up.
[07:01] <SeveredCross> So I power-cycled and powered back on, and now GNOME won't come up.
[07:01] <nick123> when it stops
[07:02] <SeveredCross> Oh, looks like dpkg screwed itself over.
[07:03] <nick123> I dont understand
[07:04] <m1r> whats means : phy0:unknown frame RXed (0xff) ?
[07:06] <Jordan_U> SeveredCross, It was most likely not a kernel panic
[07:06] <SeveredCross> Then what was it? Everything locked, not even magic sysrq keys worked.
[07:07] <Jordan_U> SeveredCross, Did the caps lock key blink?
[07:07] <Jordan_U> SeveredCross, Did you do alt+sysrq+r before any other sysrq combinations?
[07:08] <SeveredCross> Jordan_U: Yep, did Alt-SysRq-R, and my caps lock key is on the fritz.
[07:08] <SeveredCross> Never lights up anymore.
[07:09] <SeveredCross> Should be fixed now, I just resumed the dpkg updates that were going on and did a few more.
[07:09] <SeveredCross> Hopefully it's all okay now.
[07:10] <SeveredCross> Yep, my desktop is back.
[07:10] <SeveredCross> :D
[07:11] <m1r> i am keep getting error phy: unknown frame RXed (0xff) for my wlan card, anyone know what is that ?
[07:11] <m1r> phy0 , sry
[07:17] <adiabatic> argh...1 hour downloading...30 minutes burning at the slowest speed...probably another 30-60 minutes installing...could have gone to the gym and worked out, swam, and showered in this time
[07:18] <m1r> so, dhcp server not working with wlan0 on dhcp and eth0 on static ip ?
[07:21] <m1r> ok enough for today, gn ppls
[07:21] <bazhang> adiabatic: any support questions? or just venting
[07:22] <adiabatic> just venting
[07:22] <echinos> did apt-get upgrade, now I have no sound, and no module for it, it seems :/
[07:23] <bazhang> m1r there was only one listing on google for that error; seems a bug should be filed on that; has to do with a kernel panic
[07:34] <ChaosParser> echinos: What kernel do you have?
[07:34] <ChaosParser> echinos: And do you have an nvidia card?
[07:37] <Eftarjin> hi
[07:39] <lucypher> Hi, after upgrading to 2.6.24-16 and rebooting my pc stucks at "no resume image: doing normal boot"
[07:39] <lucypher> I've tried to pass "noresume" argument wth no success
[07:40] <Eftarjin> it seems that hardy release will come before firefox 3. Will a LTS version be shipped with a beta version of the default web browser ?
[07:42] <bazhang> aye Eftarjin
[07:43] <Eftarjin> is a 8.04.1 version planned when firefox 3 is out ?  (i think there was a 6.06.1)
[07:44] <david> most likely
[07:44] <bazhang> you would need to ask the devs Eftarjin
[07:45] <ChaosParser> lucypher: Is it a notebook?
[07:45] <Eftarjin> bazhang: where can i do that ? launchpad ?
[07:46] <bazhang> Eftarjin: perhaps, though they do stop by here every so often; is this something truly urgent?
[07:47] <lucypher> ChaosParses: No... Dell E520
[07:47] <ChaosParser> lucypher: It just thinks you hibernated for some reason.  Shut it down, unplug it, hold the power button down for 15 seconds, then plug it back in and turn it back on.
[07:47] <Eftarjin> bazhang: no, not urgent. i was just wondering. thanks anyway
[07:50] <lucypher> ChaosParses: Falling back to 2.6.24-15 I can boot normally... I'll try your solution the next boot thanks.
[08:14] <jscinoz> this is maddening
[08:15] <jscinoz> suspend works perfectly with s2ram --force, but obviously fails with s2both because its not whitelisted.
[08:15] <jscinoz> so i have to wait for some dev to change the whitelist even though it works perfectly...
[08:15] <jscinoz> any idea where the acpi/suspend whitelist lives so i can do it myself?
[08:16] <xtknight> can someone try something for me real quick... sudo apt-get install amoeba   then try and run amoeba
[08:16] <xtknight> small game or something.  but it doesn't run on my pc
[08:17] <jscinoz> ran it, works fine, what doesnt work for you
[08:17] <jscinoz> wait nevermind, it died >_<
[08:17] <xtknight> Couldn't open GTK+ interface (libgdk-1.2.so.0: Success), reverting to command line.
[08:17] <xtknight> yeah
[08:18] <xtknight> acpi suspend whitelist might be compiled into the kernel itself?  no idea..otherwise ask in #ubuntu-devel
[08:19] <b4l74z4r> why can't i install juk in kubuntu 8.04?
[08:19] <Lynoure> jscinoz: /etc/default/acpi-support has both white- and blacklist
[08:19] <jscinoz> Lynoure, hmm i added a regexp in there for my laptop under the appropriate file according to dmidecode, but s2ram still say's its unknown
[08:20] <jscinoz> xtknight, with that game, mine crashed because it failed to open /dev/dsp >_< same thing happened running with aoss or padsp
[08:20] <xtknight> jscinoz, oh weird.  maybe my dual monitors messing it up
[08:20] <Lynoure> jscinoz: sorry, I don't dare to go more into suspend troubleshooting, as I haven't bothered with more than hibernate myself
[08:21] <jscinoz> thanks anyway lynoure
[08:21] <jscinoz> xtkknight, worked that time, but as soon as you click in its window it crashes
[08:21] <jscinoz> with no terminal output
[08:21] <xtknight> jscinoz, might be able to d/l debian src package and recompile that way, unless it's the kernel, then that prolly will just be frustrating
[08:22] <jscinoz> >_<
[08:24] <xtknight> jscinoz, oh, dumb amoeba gaev me wrong error message
[08:24] <xtknight> it said it could find libgdk 1.2, and in fact it couldnt.  so that was my problem
[08:24] <jscinoz> lol
[08:26] <b4l74z4r>  is it possible to change the size of the external taskbar?
[08:27] <Lynoure> jscinoz: have you tried with pm-utils (pm-suspend) by the way? I'm under the impression it's more supported by Ubuntu than s2ram
[08:33] <xtknight> how do you install kde4?
[08:34] <xtknight> !info kde4 hardy
[08:34] <ubotu> kde4 (source: meta-kde4): the K Desktop Environment version 4 official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3 (hardy), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB
[08:34] <xtknight> sigh
[08:34]  * xtknight is a genius :p
[08:34] <xtknight> that installs the whole desktop though?  i didnt see a kubuntu-desktop for kde4..
[08:35] <xtknight> nm apparently  kubuntu-kde4-desktop  for those interested
[08:36] <bazhang> got it installed ;]
[08:39] <Ziroday> After updates clicking on links in pidgin does not do anything, have to maually copy them into firefox, anyone know where the setting is?
[08:40] <HorizonXP> hey, update-manager is asking me to do a partial upgrade
[08:40] <HorizonXP> I did this before, and it buggered things up
[08:40] <HorizonXP> so I'm wondering if it's absolutely necessary this time
[08:40] <gatestone> Does hardy have this upgraded functionality (that Vista has): does the network manager tel you whether you connection is up to your default gateway, or up to (some) public Internet? If not there could maybe still be a possibility to add it? it iso useful to know that while my home router inside is ok, the NATted connection to the ISP connection is not...
[08:41] <gatestone> Or maybe there is just some utility that does this monitring? Or do I have to write one ;-)
[08:42] <DistroJockey> HorizonXP: Personally, I'd not do a partial upgrade
[08:42] <Lynoure> gatestone: you can do   traceroute hostname  to see if you can reach some specific internet server
[08:42] <xtknight> haha. kde4 is sick
[08:42] <xtknight> but what's with the desktop..the files are "objects" or something
[08:43] <Lynoure> gatestone: or, rather,  ping hostname.  Should be easy to turn it to some graphical thingy, if it is important to you
[08:43] <HorizonXP> DistroJockey: So something's messed up with the repos?
[08:44] <DistroJockey> HorizonXP: that or not all packages are updated yet. Not entirely sure.
[08:44] <stefg> Hi, everyone. i suppose the latest update caused breakage not only for me .... so what do we/you know already
[08:46] <DistroJockey> stefg: I assume it was a partial upgrade?
[08:46]  * stefg thought hardy to be in release-freeze... ubuntu seems to follow its tradition of spoiling releases in the last second /cynism off
[08:46] <DistroJockey> heh
[08:48] <DistroJockey> I wiped my Hardy install to take a look at Mandriva 2008 Spring. That install lasted on my system for about 30 mins of use. (i.e. don't bother)  Back to running on Gutsy now :)
[08:49] <stefg> DistroJockey: i upgraded from the german mirrors, and after i found that X and compiz were broken i pointed apt to archive.ubuntu.com and upgraded again. got some compiz=packages, but didn\t help... even mz kezboard is english now *obviouslz(
[08:49] <gatestone> Lynoure, I think I am like many, many people: my connection is contantly broken several times a day, and half of the time it my (Fonera) router, half of the time is the ISP provided cable modem, and half of the time it is the ISP uplink connection. (yeah it frrls like the is 150% problems ;-). It would be nice to just KNOW this by a glance, not having to manyllu debug it. And I think there are probably 6 billion people on Earth who are not capable
[08:49] <gatestone>  of manually debugging it ;-)
[08:49] <Lleumas> Compiz is also broken for me atm
[08:50] <lucypher> Hi, I can't boot after upgrading at kernel 2.6.24-16
[08:51] <gatestone> Lynoure, I am NOT interested in fixing things only for me, but SAVING the world by getting the perfect Ubuntu for those 6 billion ;-)
[08:51] <Lynoure> gatestone: I have been thinking about writing a tool, but a) it's not paid work b) most of the time it's ISP and most ISPs don't listen to their customers with that kind of things
[08:51] <DistroJockey> stefg: yeah, if I had of left my Hardy install installed, I probably would not have upgraded again for a few days
[08:51] <Lynoure> gatestone: Oh, I didn't realized you wanted to make one...
[08:52] <stefg> so lets assume it is just bad timing... lets see waht happens mondaz
[08:52] <stefg> monday ... aarggh... us layout
[08:52] <DistroJockey> stefg: hehe, sounds like a plan :)
[08:52] <gatestone> Ok, I promise to wite one as an exercise for my first serious Linux program, Lynoure. Let's say by the end of the summer...
[08:53] <stefg> ok, booting back to mz gutsy install
[08:54] <bardyr> Hey, is there anyway to get support for 2 languages in xchat spell checking?
[08:54] <Lynoure> gatestone: unfortunately that does not solve b. I'm lucky and have a ISP that listens to things like what ip package loss happens at, I know 95% of ISPs just don't care.
[08:56] <gatestone> Lynoure, my problems are almost always short-lived, so I just wait, but a monitor would be good, so you would know when the connection is up again.
[08:57] <gatestone> Is there something in Hardy like Windows' "You have new applications installed", so that you know if a package has modified your menus, if it can be launched from menus?
[08:59] <Lynoure> gatestone: that's basicly just   watch -n 30 'ping -c 2 hostname'
[08:59] <blue-frog> gatestone: no
[09:00] <Lynoure> gatestone: checks every 30 s with two pings if hostname is reachable. adjust the number after -c a bit larger if it is non-total package loss issue
[09:00] <gatestone> If I would use diff to check, is my menus have changed and how, which files are they in?
[09:01] <blue-frog> gatestone: try /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu
[09:01] <blue-frog> gatestone: try /etc/xdg/menus/
[09:02] <jscinoz> Lynoure, afaik, pm-utils is simply a wrapper for s2ram or other suspend methods
[09:02] <gatestone> Can I configure a general post-script to dpkg so that after each installation a diff on menus are reported and current version saved for next diffing?
[09:03] <Lleumas> Is there a reason the last update uninstalled Compiz for Hardy?
[09:03] <gatestone> How do I send something like dbus alert message (not that I know what that means) to the user form command line?
[09:03] <blue-frog> gatestone: you can come up with a script you can launch at any time, but don't you know what programs you are installing on your computer?
[09:04] <gatestone> I am again thingkin about the 6 billion future Ubuntu users, not me.
[09:05] <gatestone> So every time the menus change, a user will get a nice standard dbus message?
[09:05] <Lynoure> jscinoz: dunno, but even in that case, wording matters (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uswsusp/+bug/134238/comments/16 )
[09:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134238 in uswsusp "Please re-enable build of s2ram binary" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[09:05] <jk_> i have files in multiple parts ie. r00, r001 .... is there a way to unrar them without installing winrar?
[09:05] <blue-frog> unrar
[09:06] <jscinoz> Lynoure, yeah s2ram is mainly for testing it, and once you figure out why it doesnt work, making s2both work.
[09:06] <jscinoz> i backported my uswsusp package from debian unstable :P
[09:07] <Lynoure> jscinoz: I assumed something like that. :)
[09:07] <elmargol> Why is my harddisk mounted as nodev?
[09:07] <dns53> jk_ there is both unrar-free and unrar (not free)
[09:07] <jk_> just installed it unrar e filename unrar it to same folder
[09:17] <harmental> hey guys..Can i safely uninstall initramfs???
[09:18] <xtknight> harmental, no
[09:18] <calc> harmental: do you mean initramfs-tools>?
[09:19] <xtknight> those are necessary for the system
[09:19] <calc> well you could but you would no longer be able to install ubuntu kernels
[09:20] <calc> if you used your own kernel that didn't use initramfs it would probably be ok
[09:20] <harmental> calc: ok..thx...
[09:20] <calc> but you can't uninstall initramfs-tools if you have any ubuntu kernels anyway
[09:20] <calc> all the kernels Depends: on initramfs-tools so will uninstall along with it if you try to remove it
[09:21] <xtknight> marble-kde4 is awesome;  google-earthy without the aerial views
[09:24] <mario> hello
[09:25] <ubuntunoob> hello
[09:25] <ubuntunoob> it's like talking to a wall
[09:26] <mario> ive a problem! yesterday i updated from hardy to the newest hardy version... now  compiz awn and co dont work! i cant install ccsm cause of broken packages, what can i do
[09:26] <mario> if i lookunder hardware drivers, it crashes...
[09:26]  * thoreauputic pushes the wall down on ubuntunoob 
[09:26] <blue-frog> mario certainly wait for compiz to work again as well
[09:26] <ubuntunoob> i am sorry, i am a noob -as my name indicate
[09:27] <DarkMageZ> mario, ubuntu? launch synaptic and hit refresh. then install all the new updates. should resolve it.
[09:27] <thoreauputic> ubuntunoob: then why are you in the development version channel ? :-)
[09:27] <ubuntunoob> ;( then i should leave
[09:27] <mario> DarkMageZ: i did that yesterdsay i think, but i try
[09:27] <mario>  blue-frog: i dont understand
[09:27] <ubuntunoob> i don't know what is +1 so i click in
[09:28] <thoreauputic> ubuntunoob: not necessarily - are you using Hardy ?
[09:28] <ubuntunoob> no, 7.04
[09:28] <blue-frog> mario: is compiz working on your computer right now?
[09:28] <xtknight> mario, the hardware drivers dialog has a known problem right now
[09:28] <ubuntunoob> 7.10, not 7.04
[09:28] <thoreauputic> ubuntunoob: ah, tha's quite an old version now
[09:28] <ubuntunoob> i am using gusty
[09:28] <ubuntunoob> gutsy
[09:28] <xtknight> mario, additionally are you running amd64?
[09:28] <DarkMageZ> ubuntunoob, feel free to join the #ubuntu channel ッ
[09:28] <thoreauputic> gutsy is 7.10
[09:28] <T1m0thy> Gusty Gibbon. lol
[09:29] <thoreauputic> ubuntunoob:  /join #ubuntu  :-)
[09:30] <mario>  blue-frog: now i ccant even close or maxiize my windows
[09:30] <mario>  xtknight: im using 32 bit...
[09:30] <xtknight> mario, yeah you've got lack-of-metacity-syndrome
[09:30] <xtknight> :P
[09:31] <DarkMageZ> mario, launch the terminal from the menu and type. "metacity --replace"
[09:31] <mario> mhh right i shoul replace metacity.. matacity --replace or?
[09:31] <xtknight> hmm
[09:31] <Lleumas> Mario, they way I resolved that issue was to search for "Compiz" in synaptic. You should see a package called exactly that, that has been uninstalled. I reinstalled and it allowed me to enable my effects again. Not sure if you are having the same problem though
[09:31] <xtknight> gtk-window-decorator --replace &     ?
[09:32] <harmental> after doing: sudo dpkg --configure -a i obtain this: http://pastebin.com/df6fa00d
[09:32] <DarkMageZ> mario, then see if synaptic finds any new updates.
[09:32] <mario> bash cant dounf metacity...
[09:32] <harmental> any ideas  please?
[09:32] <xtknight> harmental, oh wow
[09:32] <xtknight> harmental, what kernel are you running right now?
[09:33] <mario> cant install the package "compiz cause of many broken things...
[09:33] <harmental> 2.6.24-15 generic
[09:33] <xtknight> harmental, first step, sudo apt-get update
[09:33] <mario> now its complety new...
[09:33] <harmental> i've already done that....
[09:34] <xtknight> harmental,  sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic linux-image-2.6.24-16-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-generic linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-generic linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-386
[09:34] <xtknight> looks scary but it shouldn't remove your current kernel.  still don't reboot.  we will install -16 normally.
[09:34] <mario> i think nvida works, cause games lke xmoto funktions
[09:34] <harmental> xtknight: ok....ill do that...
[09:34] <hyperair_> hi there. anybody knows about the nautilus-gksu bug?
[09:34] <DarkMageZ> xmoto doesn't require 3d acceleration iirc.
[09:34] <xtknight> hyperair_, which one?
[09:35] <xtknight> mario, type glxinfo|grep rendering
[09:35] <hyperair_> xtknight: Bug #201462
[09:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201462 in gksu "nautilus-gksu stopped working in hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201462
[09:35] <blue-frog> mario: is compiz-gnome still installed on your system?
[09:35] <mario> xtknight:direct rendering: Yes
[09:36] <xtknight> mario, there were recent compz updates, did you get all them?
[09:36] <harmental> xtknight: its also trying to remover 2.6.24-15...http://pastebin.com/m3bce2dd6
[09:36] <xtknight> update && dist-upgrade
[09:36] <mario> i hope so..
[09:36] <harmental> xtknight: shall i accept???
[09:36] <hyperair> xtknight: seems to be a packaging error, but nobody relevant seems to be paying attention
[09:36] <xtknight> harmental, hold on
[09:36] <hyperair> same goes for nautilus-wallpaper
[09:36] <mario>  blue-frog: compizconfig-backend-gconf isnt insttalt and synaptic doenst want to isntall, so compiz-gnome cant installt
[09:37] <xtknight> harmental, where does it say removing 15?
[09:37] <xtknight> harmental, dont worry about the firstmessage linux-headers-2.6.24-15-generic linux-headers-2.6.24-15.  you can go ahead.
[09:37] <harmental> xtknight: ok...here I go....
[09:37] <xtknight> hyperair, well i dont have open as admin in nautilus, you mean just right click on any file i should get that?
[09:38] <xtknight> hyperair, i installed nautilus-gksu.  never used that before anyway
[09:38] <hyperair> yes
[09:38] <mario> synpatic cant install any compiz thing, cause libcompizconfig0 isnt installt, i want to install but then a lot of compiz packages are removed
[09:38] <hyperair> you should get that
[09:38] <harmental> xtknight: no errors so far...what should I do next?
[09:38] <hyperair> xtknight: i've uploaded a fixed package to my ppa: http://edge.launchpad.net/~hyperair/+archive
[09:38] <xtknight> harmental, sudo apt-get install linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-generic  linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-generic
[09:38] <mario> should i let remove the packages?
[09:39] <harmental> xtknight: i got the "reboot required" message...
[09:39] <xtknight> hyperair, Hardy is at Freeze right now.  you will have to file a Freeze Exception per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess to get the fix in.  But they might accept your request.
[09:39] <harmental> should i reboot first?
[09:39] <xtknight> harmental, um pastebin what all it did
[09:39] <hyperair> xtknight: nautilus-wallpaper bug that's similar to this is Bug #186938
[09:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186938 in nautilus-wallpaper "nautilus-wallpaper not working in hardy heron after update to nautilus-2.21.6" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186938
[09:39] <hyperair> xtknight: thanks for the info
[09:39] <hyperair> xtknight: i'll try that
[09:40] <xtknight> hyperair, additionally #ubuntu-motu (user-dev channel) and #ubuntu-devel (mainly dev channel) can help with packaging issues.  you can ask for their opinion on the problems
[09:40] <mario> i install it... mhh
[09:40] <xtknight> sorry to give you "canned" responses but i can't really do anything about it :p
[09:42] <mario> damn! i installd libcompizconfig0 and i i want to install any compiz package he want to remove it, but then he cant install cause he need it... gtt
[09:44] <harmental> xtknight: i felt down.....
[09:44] <xtknight> harmental, you did what?
[09:44] <xtknight> :p
[09:45] <harmental> xtknight: nothing...i think it was my router...
[09:45] <mario> ok metacity works now...
[09:45] <harmental> ok...so should i do now?
[09:45] <mario> but there iss a compiz problem, what to do?
[09:45] <harmental> to reboot or not to reboot...that is the dilemma...
[09:47] <xtknight> hmm
[09:47] <xtknight> harmental, pastebin of what the last install cmd did?
[09:48] <harmental> xtknight: i didnt install anything....
[09:48] <xtknight> harmental, sudo apt-get install linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-generic  linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-generic
[09:48] <xtknight> all that?
[09:48] <harmental> i just purged 2.6.24-16 as you told me...
[09:48] <xtknight> ok then install those
[09:48] <harmental> xtknight: ok...so i install all that regardless the reboot sign?
[09:49] <xtknight> harmental, yea
[09:50] <mario> cant anybody help me?
[09:51] <thompa> mario: whats up?
[09:51] <harmental> xtknight: i get this error http://pastebin.com/d1ff231a7
[09:51] <thompa> anyone know how to get network manager applet back, its gone since latest update?
[09:52] <hischild> thompa, nm-applet & ?
[09:52] <mario> thompa: compiz doesnt want to run and i cant install it
[09:53] <xtknight> harmental, type sudo /sbin/update-grub
[09:53] <xtknight> and please pastebin the output
[09:53] <thompa> mario: whats yor graphic card?
[09:53] <thompa> hischild: sorry , what do i do?
[09:54] <hischild> thompa, in console, type nm-applet
[09:54] <hischild> if it starts up, then you can kill it again and start it via alt+f2
[09:54] <thompa> hischild: it just hangs at password prompt
[09:54] <hischild> if it doesn't it'll give you an error most likely
[09:54] <hischild> what?
[09:54] <thompa> hischild: if i type that it does nothing
[09:55] <hischild> thompa, ps aux | grep nm-applet doesn't give you anything?
[09:55] <thompa> thom      6105  0.1  0.6  31560 12072 ?        S    04:47   0:00 nm-applet --sm-disable
[09:56] <hischild> thompa, that's why it won't show, it just refuses to boot up twice. Kill it and then restart it. Should show it back
[09:56] <thompa> hischild: and 3 more lines
[09:56] <harmental> xtknight: i get sudo: /sbin/update-grub: command not found
[09:56] <thompa> hischild: it shows 2 running
[09:56] <hischild> thompa, kill them all
[09:56] <thompa> roger
[09:57] <xtknight> harmental, sudo apt-get --reinstall install grub
[09:57] <mario_> does anbody answer me? irssi doesnt show really
[09:57] <xtknight> i dont know what happened to your grub
[09:58] <thompa> hischild: i killed them , but still nothing after typing nm=applet as user
[09:58] <hischild> thompa, don't run it as root, it'll ask you for access to the keyring and other stuff. I'm sorry but that's how i've fixed it for me so i'm out of things. :(
[09:58] <thompa> hischild: cpu is way up to 1005 now
[09:59] <thompa> *100
[09:59] <harmental> xtknight: should i intall the pacakges maintainers version or keep version currently installed?
[09:59] <xtknight> harmental, package maintainers
[09:59] <thompa> im going to update reboot or something
[10:00] <xtknight> harmental, i've got to take off soon, but after that try "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and hopefully it will configure your kernels
[10:00] <harmental> xtknight: its done...
[10:00] <harmental> no message whatsoever after --configure -a
[10:00] <harmental> is that normal?
[10:00] <xtknight> harmental, try sudo apt-get -f install
[10:01] <harmental> i get this
[10:01] <harmental> xtknight: http://pastebin.com/d38dca07c
[10:02] <xtknight> harmental, dpkg -s linux-image-2.4.24-16-generic
[10:02] <xtknight> err
[10:02] <xtknight> harmental, dpkg -s linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic
[10:02] <thompa> a aslo cant get hardware drivers to open anymore
[10:02] <xtknight> harmental, if it shows a lot, it means the package is installed.  so probably reboot time?
[10:03] <harmental> got this: http://pastebin.com/d617b8cc0
[10:03] <xtknight> looks good
[10:03] <harmental> its definitely a lot :oP
[10:03] <xtknight> ummm... hmm let's see
[10:04] <Jaffarkelshac> my desktop wont boot, it enters busybox shell when ubuntu starts to load, it happened before and a restart did it, but now it just wone badge, is there a known fix for this?
[10:04] <xtknight> sudo update-grub && sudo update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.24-16-generic
[10:04] <xtknight> harmental,
[10:04] <xtknight> just for safety
[10:05] <harmental> ok
[10:05] <xtknight> reboot then.  should be ok
[10:06] <harmental> xtknight: everything went smoothly....what now?
[10:06] <harmental> ok...lets reboot then...
[10:06] <harmental> xtknight: thank SO VERY MUCH...
[10:06] <xtknight> hope it works cuz i gotta go
[10:06] <xtknight> :p
[10:06] <xtknight> if not i wouldnt know what to tell you anyways
[10:06] <xtknight> reinstall hardy that's what i'd tell ya
[10:06] <xtknight> anyway, later
[10:06] <harmental> you've done enough anyways....
[10:07] <harmental> thank you!
[10:08] <adred> hi gud day..how to remove firefox beta 5 and replace with the latest stable version?
[10:10] <adred> hi gud day..how to remove firefox beta 5 and replace with the latest stable version?
[10:10] <thompa> in xubuntu i got nm-applet, in ubuntu i dont and also hardware drivers wont open
[10:11] <I_reckn> adred: in a terminal  sudo apt-get purge firefox  then  sudo apt-get install firefox-2
[10:11] <harmental> xtknight: worked like a charm!
[10:11] <harmental> thx
[10:12] <adred> I_reckn thank you. the beta 5 is very unstable. whenever i try to open a malicious site it overlaps my panel while i doesn't happen in windows that has the version 2
[10:13] <I_reckn> adred: I had issues with it as well
[10:14] <Jordan_U> adred, Why?
[10:14] <adred> Jordan_U what do u mean?
[10:15] <adred> Jordan_U. the beta 5 is very unstable. whenever i try to open some malicious sites it overlaps my panel while it doesn't happen in windows that has the version 2
[10:17] <kadko> Hello how can i install fusion for manage the compiz and GTK windows?
[10:18] <adred> kadko i think its preinstalled in hardy
[10:18] <adred> kadko no im wrong sorry
[10:18] <kadko> :)
[10:23] <kadko> s
[10:25] <adred> I_reckn ff beta 5 is still installed. even after i installed ff2..?
[10:26] <I_reckn> adred: that shouldn't be
[10:27] <adred> I_reckn. it still installed for some reason.
[10:27] <I_reckn> adred: try     ls /usr/bin | grep firefox     and see if it is listed as firefox-2
[10:28] <kadko> I_reckn may be do u know how to install the fusion for manage the compiz?
[10:29] <I_reckn> kadko: I don't use it or know it sorry
[10:29] <adred> I_reckn. it is still. actually it shows ff2 and ff3 are both installed
[10:30] <Jordan_U> !ccsm | I_reckn
[10:30] <ubotu> I_reckn: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[10:30] <I_reckn> adred: maybe open synaptic and search firefox and remove from there firefox 3 - there might be a dependency that f2 has that d/loads f3
[10:30] <Jordan_U> I_reckn, sorry, that was for kadko
[10:31] <I_reckn> Jordan_U: :)
[10:31] <ailean> can anyone help me install adobe flash on firefox?  The install script hasn't work and it seems to be using the GNU one . . .
[10:31] <kadko> ailean: Go to the official flash page and download the .tar.gz and tell me when you downloaded
[10:32] <Jordan_U> ailean, Flash installs fine with flashplugin-nonfree here
[10:32] <adred> I_reckn its ok now. i just sudo apt-get remove firefox-3.0 and its gone. thanks
[10:32] <Zambezi> Anyone having problem with rtorrent 0.8? After upgrade it can't find any of my files and I have never experienced this problem ever since multiple watchfolder got added as a feature.
[10:32] <Jordan_U> ailean, try removing gnash
[10:32] <ailean> Jordan_U, will try all of the above and report back - cheers
[10:35] <ailean> thank you nerds
[10:35] <ailean> :)
[10:38] <wolf4914> I still have nvidia restricted drivers not showing as used or available
[10:39] <wolf4914> apt-get install nvidia-new says it is already the newest version
[10:39] <wolf4914> modprobe nvidia comes back as fatal error
[10:42] <stefg> compiz breakage with last upgrade, anyone?
[10:42] <Amaranth> stefg: Update again
[10:43] <stefg> just did ... directly from archive.ubuntu.com. german mirrors seems not synced yet
[10:43] <vistakiller> wolf4914 i have the same problem
[10:44] <vistakiller> i have install the nvidia driver but i cant see them in hardware manager
[10:44] <stefg> ok, so it's not just me. seems xorg/nvidia/compiz is the building site of the day
[10:45] <wolf4914> vistakiller, it was like that since I upgraded to 15 and 16 kernels
[10:45] <stefg> vistakiller: yeah, something decided to screw my xorg.conf. repalced it with a backup, so i have nvidia running, but the xgl portion seems broken
[10:46] <vistakiller> i have the problem from alpha
[10:47] <vistakiller> try to install them with envyng
[10:47] <vistakiller> is very good tool now
[10:47] <TychoQuad> hi, I'm having trouble with gnome's automount, my external hard drive, it increments the drive name by a _. my /media folder has 3E, 3E_, 3E__, 3E___, ect
[10:47] <stefg> As a veteran i find it quite annoying that nowadays so many things in X happen behind your back. xorg.conf seems to become unimportant... ts,ts.... everything is going down the windows road, it seems
[10:48] <adred> how to remove anything related to firefox from the filesystem?
[10:48] <chtri> stefg: as a veteran why you even bother abouth Xorg? tru linux veterans use console only
[10:49] <dns53> the profle? that is in the .mozilla directory, it is hidden by default
[10:49] <vistakiller> TychoQuad i have seen that many people have the same problem
[10:49] <stefg> chtri: haha... i like a nice graphical file manager, and find it a bit over the top to do my letters with TeX
[10:49] <vistakiller> it seems to be a bug
[10:50] <TychoQuad> is it a 8.04 bug?
[10:50] <vistakiller> search launchpad for bug report
[10:50] <vistakiller> or create one
[10:50] <Saga^> hello
[10:50] <Saga^> im trying to insytall ati's drivers on hardy
[10:50] <Saga^> but the driver tool is crashing on me
[10:51] <Saga^> any good way to do that with synaptic ?
[10:51] <Saga^> package fglrx-amdccle ?
[10:51] <stefg> Saga^: bad timing... wait a couple of days, it seems X is currently inconsistent
[10:52] <Saga^> my wife will kill me if she wont be able to game ;-)
[10:52] <chtri> stefg: which graphical file manager? the one with 2 view modes and no sorting by extension?
[10:53] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone having a proble with jockey-gtk crashing?
[10:53] <Saga^> i have
[10:53] <stefg> chtri: see, i feel at home in 2 worlds. I'm not lost when looking at a console, but i do value a good gnome setup as well.
[10:54] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm... I just noticed that mine does
[10:54] <Sergeant_Pony> when going into hardware drivers
[10:55] <chtri> Sergeant_Pony: Linux Torwalds said that if ppl use binary drivers, its their problem
[10:55] <chtri> Linus
[10:55] <Saga^> if ppl canyt use linux the way they want its linuxxe's problem that the "year of linux desktop" will never come
[10:56] <Saga^> brb
[10:56] <Sergeant_Pony> chtri this has been since yesterday's partial upgrade
[11:00] <Sergeant_Pony> any way to fix it?
[11:00] <jscinoz> holy crap
[11:00] <jscinoz> flashplugin crashes so much >_<
[11:00] <jscinoz> every second youtube video its pretty much guaranteed to crash firefox
[11:01] <stefg> sad, true and only adobe can do something about that
[11:01] <chtri> jscinoz: thats becouse it is proprietary bs
[11:01] <dandel> hmm.
[11:01] <jscinoz> indeed
[11:01] <jscinoz> how is swfdec or gnash on youtube nowadays?
[11:01] <virtuald> the weather info beside my clock has disappeared, and it doesn't come back if i turn it off and on again
[11:01] <dandel> the fglrx-kernel-source is broken with the last kernel update.
[11:01] <stefg> jscinoz: forget it
[11:02] <chtri> jscinoz: actually swfdec its pretty nice, it shipped with fedora by default
[11:02] <jscinoz> so swfdec > gnash?
[11:02] <dandel> and the open source driver, whichever one it is that is loaded by default for radeon r500 series cards gives me nothing but a white screen when I login ( i haft to manually set the driver to vesa to get it to work )
[11:03] <chtri> jscinoz: in my opinion yes, but still not everything work
[11:03] <jscinoz> pity there's so much doubling of work with OSS stuff, gnash and swfdec, usplash vs splashy or fbsplash
[11:04] <jscinoz> whats openjdk like in comparison to sun-java6?
[11:04] <dandel> found it.
[11:04] <jscinoz> if they do what i need i'll probably switch to swfdec and openjdk rather than the closed alternatives
[11:05] <dandel> the repository contains a broken fglrx-kernel-source
[11:06] <jscinoz> imagine how much faster thigns could advance if a few of the separate projects that do the same thing merged
[11:07] <jscinoz> like ubuntu devs stop wasting time (no offence intended) on usplash when splashy is years ahead :P
[11:08] <chtri> jscinoz: and also all linux distros merged or become obsolete by one? this lead to another world without alternatives
[11:08] <stefg> jscinoz: that's an opinion, not a fact. usplash does a couple of quite ubuntu-specific things, and runs in userspace (which is the way to go IMHO)
[11:08] <jscinoz> stefg, splashy is userspace.
[11:09] <jscinoz> chtri, thats not what i mean, i mean core utilities such as boot splash and such
[11:09] <jscinoz> chtri things that perform basic functions, same reason you don't see 50 different versions of rm :P
[11:09] <stefg> jscinoz: i might have confused that with bootsplash. But anyway i wouldn't say bootsplsh is 'years ahead'
[11:10] <jscinoz> not talking about bootsplash.
[11:10] <jscinoz> splashy!
[11:10] <jscinoz> :P
[11:10] <jscinoz> http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/
[11:10] <stefg> yeah, you know what i meant
[11:11] <chtri> my monitor turn off instead of show any splash on this x64 hardy. breakage
[11:11] <jscinoz> If only it were possible to run grub at a custom resolution, i've only got one mode change during boot now, console, splashy and X are all at 1280x800x24
[11:11] <jscinoz> unfortunately grub is still at 640x480 >_<
[11:13] <stefg> can grub use vesa framebuffers at all ?
[11:13] <jscinoz> afaik it can only use what mode the BIOS sets >_<
[11:13] <jscinoz> which is generally 640x480
[11:13] <jscinoz> hmm.
[11:13] <jscinoz> coreboot anyone? :P
[11:13] <stefg> i mean... isn't that a bit of overkil? setting up a complete frambuffer *before* even the OS loads?
[11:14] <jscinoz> not really :P
[11:14] <jscinoz> bootchart still puts me at 17secs :P
[11:14] <jscinoz> with splashy
[11:15] <jscinoz> could probably decrease as i have a "sleep 1" or two in there for some buggy stuff :P
[11:16] <jscinoz> coreboot could fix the grub resolution problem in two ways, set the BIOS resolution higher (can't be done on most proprietary BIOS's) or it could skip grub and boot the kernel directly :D
[11:20] <MrStein> Where did the download go ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/beta/ only has the "src" CD
[11:20] <jscinoz> umm, what happened to j2se and the other jre's that were in gutsy.
[11:20] <chtri> MrStein: releases.ubuntu.com
[11:21] <jscinoz> ignore my java question, found it >_<
[11:26] <jscinoz> something tells me i'm about to epicly break my system
[11:26] <jscinoz> oh well :P
[11:26] <jscinoz> *upgrades a bunch of libraries to debian unstable versions*
[11:28] <sourcemaker> how can I convert a ps file to pdf?
[11:28] <Lynoure> Why not just use debian unstable? Is there something missing from it?
[11:29] <jscinoz> I prefer Ubuntu in general i just occasionally enable unstable to update games :P
[11:29] <jscinoz> hard to play online games when ubuntu's version is 6months out of date >_<
[11:29]  * jpatrick prefers testing
[11:29] <jscinoz> *points at warsow*
[11:30] <jscinoz> neither debian unstable or ubuntu hardy has upgraded that yet >_<
[11:31] <chtri> sourcemaker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pstoedit
[11:33] <jscinoz> ugh i hate that
[11:34] <Lynoure> jscinoz: Might mean that the Debian maintainer does not play it anymore. Ubuntu is quite dependent on Debian for some stuff, still.
[11:34] <jscinoz> tried out adobe air linux alpha, and it decided to make itself the default program for handling zip files >_<
[11:34] <jscinoz> Aye, i'm trying to package something for debian and i'll get in synced down when its done
[11:34] <jscinoz> awesome quake 3 based game, UrbanTerror
[11:35] <jscinoz> problem is the file size, the ftpmaster doesnt like it >_< 750mb for deb, 710mb for orig.tar.gz
[11:36] <virtuald> does it make any difference if i have the i386 or generic kernel on a pentium 4?
[11:36] <jscinoz> generic would get you hyperthreading
[11:36] <jscinoz> for multiple logical cores.
[11:36] <chtri> jscinoz: why you even need to "pack" it? it distributed by developers in appropriate enought form as a multi platform zip file? unzip and play. btw one and only linux game for me :D
[11:37] <jscinoz> i386 doesnt have SMP afaik
[11:37] <virtuald> ok, thanks
[11:38] <jscinoz> chtri, i know, but gaming is of course where many people get turned off linux, and by having a realitivly mainstream (active servers in pretty much every country with many players) game included in the repos would be a boon
[11:38] <chtri> jscinoz: move UrbanTerror to unreal engine 3, replace textures, and crysis will cry :D
[11:38] <chtri> also COD4 :D
[11:38] <jscinoz> hmm
[11:38] <jscinoz> speaking of that
[11:38] <jscinoz> seen project offset?
[11:39] <virtuald> do i have hyperthreading if i have ht in /proc/cpuinfo?
[11:39] <jscinoz> "apparently" going to be GPLv3 :D
[11:39] <jscinoz> virtuald yes
[11:39] <virtuald> ok, thanks
[11:39] <chtri> jscinoz: looking into that
[11:40] <jscinoz> I was showing off sauerbraten to some friends, they thought it was nice, but couldnt prounce the name, so they just called it "that game with crazy amoutns of bloom"
[11:40] <jscinoz> >_<
[11:40] <b3nw> Hi all, I can't seem to get my flash sound working on hardy to my usb headphones, ie, youtube ect, but all other sound works just fine. No matter what settings I change flash/firefox seems completely unaffected.  Any idea's?
[11:40] <b3nw> sound works, just goes through the main speakers.
[11:40] <jscinoz> Chtri, problem is no one is sure of the license state of project offset, we know it will be free as in beer, but no idea of free or proprietary license
[11:41] <stefg> jscinoz: let them pronounce 'sow-ur-bruttn' ... then thy have it
[11:41] <jscinoz> b3nw, can you get sound from other applications through the usb headset?
[11:41] <b3nw> yep, everything but flash & firefox
[11:41] <jscinoz> stefg, yeah i told them that but tthey still used the other name :P
[11:42]  * stefg sighs about the ignorance ...
[11:42] <jscinoz> b3nw, hmm afaik firefox still uses OSS by default, try setting FIREFOX_DSP="pulse" in /etc/firefox-3.0/firefoxrc
[11:42] <jscinoz> pulse should output via alsa
[11:42] <b3nw> ah, testing one second
[11:42] <jscinoz> and alsa should be set up for your headset provided sound works with it in other apps
[11:42] <jscinoz> you'll need to restart firefox obviously
[11:42] <jscinoz> wait
[11:42] <jscinoz> not pulse, padsp
[11:43] <ompaul> tarelerulz, I forced it -- no space in front of the /
[11:43] <jscinoz> set FIREFOX_DSP="padsp"
[11:43] <Smegzor> Is compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported available via the repos anywhere?  I've got everything except proposed enabled in my sources.
[11:43] <tarelerulz> oh
[11:43] <jscinoz> smegzor, its in debian unstable :P
[11:44] <tarelerulz> ompaul:  I was like  someone all readly talking to me and I did not do anything yet haha
[11:44] <jscinoz> just add that source for a min, apt-get the package, and then remove the source
[11:44] <jscinoz> dont do something stupid like dist-upgrade with debian unstable enabled
[11:44] <b3nw> jscinoz, no luck, it seems as if the flash is not affected by changing that setting, i've tried a couple values for it already
[11:44] <ompaul> tarelerulz, you were trying to join this channel as far as I could see -     see pm
[11:44] <jscinoz> b3nw did you use padsp or pulse?
[11:44] <Smegzor> hmm..  hows that going to help me?  Can I use debian unstable from Ubuntu?
[11:44] <tarelerulz> any of you try out Kopete  the newest version that should have jingle support
[11:44] <b3nw> padsp as you said
[11:44] <b3nw> i can try pulse?
[11:45] <jscinoz> smegzor, you can add it to sources.list and apt-get its packages, or give me a min i'll get you a direct link to the deb
[11:45] <Smegzor> thanks
[11:45] <jscinoz> b3nw, afaik pulse doesnt do anything, padsp, esd, none, aoss, and auto are the only valid settings
[11:45] <jscinoz> b3nw, have you tried aoss?
[11:45] <b3nw> yea, it seems unaffected by all thoes settings
[11:46] <jscinoz> b3nw, you have got package alsa-oss installed?
[11:46] <jscinoz> Smegzor, i386?
[11:46] <Smegzor> amd64
[11:46] <jscinoz> hang on
[11:47] <jscinoz> bandwidth throttling by your ISP when you downloadm ore than 20gb a month is annoying >_<
[11:47] <Smegzor> i know how to force architecture
[11:47] <b3nw> yes alsa-oss is installed, and with aoss set, it still plays fine just not through usb
[11:47] <b3nw> with alsa-oss removed and no setting, same result
[11:47] <b3nw> I can't even break it ^_^
[11:47] <jscinoz> smegzor http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported/compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported_0.6.0-3_amd64.deb
[11:48] <Smegzor> thanks heaps! :D
[11:48] <jscinoz> b3nw, can you pastebin the output of aplay -l
[11:48] <jscinoz> Smegzor, np
[11:48] <b3nw> jscinoz - http://pastebin.com/d4aaf859d
[11:49] <jscinoz> downloading 4gb of packages at 20kbit is fun >_<
[11:49] <jscinoz> kbyte sorry
[11:49] <b3nw> ouch xD, RIT has a ubuntu mirror so I get 10mbit+ :D
[11:49] <jscinoz> so does iinet but it sucks today
[11:49] <jscinoz> iinet mirrors both ubuntu and debian :D
[11:49] <b3nw> mmmmhmm
[11:50] <jscinoz> but their server isn't too good >_<
[11:50] <b3nw> no debian here ;\
[11:50] <mo> ﻿i have encoutered problems with the kernel of the new 8.04 beta version, but i don't know where an how to report that problem, i.e. what information to include in an bugticket
[11:50] <stefg> !bug | Mo
[11:50] <ubotu> Mo: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[11:50] <b3nw> anyways, i'm wondering if there's a hidden setting file for flash sound that I just don't know about
[11:50] <jscinoz> b3nw, ok do the following: asoundconf list
[11:50] <jscinoz> then tell me the output
[11:50] <jscinoz> should be only 2 or 3
[11:50] <b3nw> HeadSet
[11:51] <b3nw> ICH6
[11:51] <b3nw> err
[11:51] <b3nw> Headset*
[11:51] <jscinoz> ok
[11:51] <jscinoz> now
[11:51] <jscinoz> asoundconf set-default-card headset
[11:51] <jscinoz> then restart firefox and you should be good
[11:51] <b3nw> yea, i've done this before, but its still going out through the main speakers for reasons beyond my understanding
[11:51] <jscinoz> hmm
[11:52]  * b3nw has trolled forums for last 30+ mins for an answer
[11:52] <jscinoz> sudo alsa force-reload
[11:52] <b3nw> nada, still main speakers
[11:52] <b3nw> mmm that reload killed the normal sound though
[11:53] <jscinoz> shouldnt have
[11:53] <b3nw> i have to re-connect the usb headphones to get noticed again after alsa reload or reboot it seems
[11:53] <jscinoz> it was just reloading the modules
[11:53] <jscinoz> and thus re-reading config
[11:53] <b3nw> yea, but it shows me USB Sound (not connected)
[11:53] <b3nw> in my sound options
[11:53] <b3nw> untill I re-plug it in
[11:53] <jscinoz> >_<
[11:53] <jscinoz> did it change the firefox problem?
[11:53] <Smegzor> jscinoz: hmm..  I now have snow in extras but it doesn't stay enabled.  Have you got that working or not played with it?
[11:53] <savvas> b3nw: you could also ask in http://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[11:54] <Smegzor> I know its experimental etc..
[11:54] <b3nw> no, it still outputs to main speakers
[11:54] <jscinoz> Smegzor, havnt tried yet, my bandwidth is throttled so amoungst other apt downloads i've got 3hrs to wait >_<
[11:54] <jscinoz> b3nw, edit ~/.asoundrc and try adding http://pastebin.com/m42443683
[11:54] <Smegzor> You're an Aussie are you?  (iinet)
[11:54] <b3nw> ah
[11:55] <b3nw> now i'm getting an interesting error
[11:55] <b3nw> seems we've broken my usb sound
[11:55] <jscinoz> smegzor yes
[11:55] <b3nw> sec
[11:55] <Smegzor> I'm a dirty Kiwi :D
[11:55] <jscinoz> b3nw, do another force-reload ;P
[11:55] <jscinoz> How's the sheep?
[11:55] <jscinoz> :P jk
[11:56]  * jscinoz continues trying to find the stupid acpi/suspend whitelist.
[11:56] <jscinoz> you wouldn't think it'd be this damn hard to add your laptop to the whitelist >_<
[11:56] <b3nw> hmm, back to usb sound working, but firefox  & flash still going to speakers
[11:56] <jscinoz> good luck on getting upstream to do it some time this year >_<
[11:56] <jscinoz> ugh
[11:56] <jscinoz> out of ideas >_<
[11:57] <b3nw> yea, I even jacked up modprobe/alsa-sound
[11:57] <jscinoz> b3nw one note, those .asoundrc tweaks made headset default device even if it isnt plugged in
[11:57] <Amaranth> b3nw: install pavucontrol and route the flash to the usb sound
[11:57] <jscinoz> so you want to change the last two lines to ICH6 instead of Headset
[11:57] <b3nw> did options snd-usb-audio index=0
[11:57] <b3nw> but that didn't work either
[11:57] <jscinoz> when its not plugged in :P
[11:57] <jscinoz> sorry my mistake
[11:57] <b3nw> i've tried what you did in pastbin, found it on the forums
[11:58] <jscinoz> change last two lines to builtin rather than usb when headset is not connected
[11:58] <jscinoz> :P
[11:58] <b3nw> but it produces a nasty asound error
[11:58] <Amaranth> pulseaudio can reroute audio on demand
[11:58] <b3nw> ah
[11:58] <b3nw> pavucontrol - k one second
[11:58] <Amaranth> just need to install pavucontrol and tell it to do so
[11:58] <jscinoz> Amaranth we tried that, b starting firefox with FIREFOX_DSP="padsp" but apparently still nothing
[11:58] <Amaranth> This is one of the benefits of pulseaudio, btw :)
[11:58] <Amaranth> libflashsupport sends flash sound to pulseaudio already
[11:59] <Ergo^> how do i set ubuntu to work with free ati driver ?
[11:59] <Ergo^> the driver thingie is broken atm
[11:59] <jscinoz> Ergo^ which driver thingy is broken?
[12:00] <Ergo^> jockey-gtk
[12:00] <b3nw> hmm, the pulse audio app is showing: Failure: Connection Refused
[12:00] <jscinoz> Amaranth strange it didn't do it for me
[12:00] <jscinoz> b3nw, terminal window, pulseaudio
[12:00] <jscinoz> daemon isn't running
[12:00] <Amaranth> oh, that could be a problem
[12:00] <jscinoz> if it outputs no error, close with control c, then run again with the -D option
[12:00] <jscinoz> if it does give an error fix it, then run the daemon
[12:00] <jscinoz> ergo^ one moment
[12:00] <Amaranth> you need to close everything using sound before starting pulseaudio
[12:00] <jscinoz> yes
[12:01] <b3nw> hmm
[12:01] <b3nw> xchat too you think?
[12:01] <Amaranth> probably not
[12:01] <Amaranth> just firefox and any music players or whatever
[12:01] <b3nw> pastbin comming at ya one sec
[12:02] <b3nw> http://pastebin.com/d2ddf0839
[12:02] <Amaranth> remove your .asoundrc
[12:02] <b3nw> k
[12:02] <b3nw> same errors, but it does start
[12:03] <Amaranth> try pavucontrol then
[12:03] <b3nw> does it need to start as root?
[12:03] <Amaranth> no
[12:03] <jscinoz> no
[12:03] <Amaranth> none of this should be running as root
[12:03] <jscinoz> btw b3nw, pulseaudio gives me those errors too, but it works fine
[12:03] <b3nw> k didn't think so
[12:05] <b3nw> ok so it shows me output & input devices, nothing under playback
[12:05] <Amaranth> does pavucontrol show two devices?
[12:05] <Amaranth> you don't have anything playing :P
[12:05] <b3nw> oh
[12:05] <b3nw> ok
[12:05] <b3nw> I see the Adobe Flash
[12:05] <b3nw> how do I re-route it?
[12:06] <Amaranth> it tells you at the bottom of the window :P
[12:06] <Amaranth> big lightbulb
[12:06] <b3nw> !
[12:06] <b3nw> that worked
[12:06] <Amaranth> pulseaudio is awesome
[12:06] <b3nw> interesting
[12:06] <Amaranth> now iirc it'll automatically route flash to the usb device when it is plugged in
[12:07] <Amaranth> from now on
[12:07] <b3nw> I probably need to set pulseaduio to run on session start in nome?
[12:07] <jscinoz> pity i cant get sound in java >_<
[12:07] <Amaranth> yeah, probably
[12:07] <Ergo^> jscinoz: any luck ?
[12:07] <b3nw> thanks for help, i'll do a how-to write up on this later today
[12:07] <Amaranth> it should have already but i guess not for you
[12:07] <jscinoz> Ergo^ so fglrx doesnt work for you correct?
[12:08] <b3nw> less it exists and I just didn't find it with searches I was using.
[12:09] <Ergo^> jscinoz: it seems it works ok - but i want to get some games to work under wine - and got info that for radeon  9600 free driver will be better
[12:09] <jscinoz> afaik the free ati driver isn't too good for 3d yet.
[12:09] <jscinoz> let me just check that
[12:11] <Ergo^> well illbe buying nvidia card - but for now getting somethign to work would be nice too :]
[12:11] <Ergo^> the same titles work fine on my other pc with nvidia
[12:11] <jscinoz> Ergo^ yes, 3d performance fglrx is better than the free driver currently >_<, ATI only released the specs of the 8500-9200
[12:11] <Ergo^> well 9600 - that fits the old specs
[12:11] <jscinoz> Ergo^ yep nvidia drivers are nice, still wish they were open though :P
[12:12] <Ergo^> at least thats what the wine guys said "dont use fglrx with wine"
[12:12] <chtri> jscinoz: amd released a LOT of specs recently for almost all cards
[12:12] <jscinoz> oh
[12:12] <jscinoz> i must have missed it?
[12:12] <jscinoz> the ati free driver is xserver-xorg-video-ati correct?
[12:12] <chtri> jscinoz: also they make part of driver open
[12:13] <jscinoz> hmm
[12:13] <Ergo^> oh well... ill try to use "radeon" driver and see how it goes...
[12:13] <jscinoz> good luck ergo^
[12:13] <Ergo^> well.. it better be good... or im dead ;-)
[12:13] <jscinoz> btw, anyone interested in getting nvidia specs, have a alook at this petition http://www.opentheblob.com/nvidia/
[12:13] <jscinoz> ergo^ failsafe X should save you :P
[12:13] <jscinoz> even then not too ahrd to reconfiugre xorg.conf from console
[12:13] <kadko> Hello i have a problem, i try to install a new splash screen and when i reboot the sistem i only get an a black screen and the LED of caps lock and scroll lock only flash what can i do?
[12:14] <jscinoz> kadko, thats your kernel panicing >_<
[12:14] <jscinoz> kadko, do you have more than one kernel installed? if so try boot the other one.
[12:15] <kadko> I have the kernel of gutsy
[12:15] <jscinoz> Ergo^ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[12:15] <jscinoz> kadko, how many options does GRUB give you?
[12:16] <kadko> 2 but its the same distro in diferent vercions
[12:16] <jscinoz> thats fine, try boot the other one
[12:16] <jscinoz> the one with the flashing keys is panicing on boot
[12:16] <jscinoz> which essentially means, its broken :P
[12:16] <kadko> im on the other one
[12:17] <jscinoz> which splash screen did you try install
[12:17] <jscinoz> it shouldnt have messed with your kernel
[12:17] <kadko> This one > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Usplash+Theme+-+Fingerprint?content=50468
[12:17] <scizzo-> hmmm is volumeid not in use anymore?
[12:19] <jscinoz> kadko did you mess with anything involving the framebuffer?
[12:19] <kadko> no but i configured the kernel to add vga=791
[12:19] <jscinoz> kadko, that shouldnt be causing it to panic, did you change anything else major?
[12:20] <kadko> humm
[12:20] <jscinoz> can you pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:20] <kadko> i think no
[12:20] <kadko> ok let me acced to the anoter HD
[12:20] <Ergo^> free drivers were a disaster
[12:21] <Ergo^> got like 1 fps with them
[12:21] <jscinoz> Ergo^ i said they were slower :P
[12:22] <Ergo^> well, so it seems im out of luck then
[12:22] <kadko> what's the page for pastebin?
[12:22] <kadko> !pastebin
[12:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[12:23] <kadko> joscinoz: Here are my paste bin >http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62916/
[12:25] <jscinoz> kadko, and i assume it is the hardy one that fails to boot?
[12:25] <Ergo^> jscinoz: do you think that debian 1-liner for fglrx installation could work in ubuntu ?
[12:25] <jscinoz> Ergo^ not sure, never heard of it
[12:25] <kadko> yes :S
[12:26] <kadko> Ergo what driver u want to install?
[12:26] <Ergo^> fglrx - i want to have d3d in wine :/
[12:27] <kadko> oh
[12:27] <Ergo^> jscinoz: something like that : update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src &&  m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx  && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:27] <jscinoz> Ergo^ it *should* work, but who knows >_<
[12:27] <Ergo^> :P that was i affraid of :P
[12:28] <kadko> well my hardy will go back to the life :D? or is dead 4ever!>:(
[12:28] <jscinoz> kadko, i can't see any problems, only thing i can suggest is check if the UUID for the hardy kernels is correct
[12:28] <jscinoz> otherwise reinstall hardy >_<
[12:28] <jscinoz> someone else may be able to tell how to fix without a reinstall but i dont know >_<
[12:29] <kadko> nooooo that reinstall will be the 7 reinstall of hardy haha
[12:30] <jscinoz> >_<
[12:30] <jscinoz> how do you keep breaking it so much?
[12:30] <Dr_willis> 'practice aparently'
[12:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:30] <jscinoz> worst i've done is accidentally dist-upgraded while having both ubuntu and debian apt lines enabled
[12:30] <jscinoz> that was fun
[12:30] <kadko> ati video drives :S
[12:30] <jscinoz> but nothing a chroot couldn't fix
[12:30] <jscinoz> >_<
[12:30] <jscinoz> nvidia ftw :P
[12:30] <kadko> haha rox
[12:31] <kadko> I think the error was made by this commands
[12:31] <kadko>  sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-fingerprint.so 10
[12:31] <kadko> sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[12:31] <Dr_willis> messing with usplash and you have to reinstall? gee.. i rember why i always disable the splash stuff...
[12:31] <kadko> i can made the first but the second was not acepted
[12:31] <jscinoz> dr_willis, this is why splashy is so much better than usplash
[12:32] <jscinoz> if you screw it up and it cant initialise it just falls back to console rather than causing panics on boot rofl
[12:33] <kadko> dr wills the question is how to disable and enable the original spalsh
[12:33] <jscinoz> sudo apt-get purge usplash, then sudo apt-get install usplash?
[12:33] <jscinoz> or switch to splashy if you want
[12:33] <jscinoz> much nicer IMO
[12:34] <kadko> but if i switch to splashy i need to install by an a command line and one new splash screen too
[12:34] <kadko> and that's so frustrant
[12:34] <Dr_willis> when i have month+ uptimes on machines.. I never see the splash anyway. :)
[12:35] <kadko> hahaha
[12:35] <Dr_willis> funny because its true.. :)
[12:35] <Dr_willis> like people doing backflips to shave of 3 sec of boot up time.
[12:36] <Dr_willis> works out to be .000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the uptime :)
[12:37] <jscinoz> kadko, splashy is much easier to install themes for than usplash
[12:37] <jscinoz> sudo apt-get install splashy splashy-themes
[12:37] <jscinoz> then
[12:37] <jscinoz> sudo splashy_config -s ubuntusplashy
[12:37] <jscinoz> sudo update-initramfs -u
[12:37] <jscinoz> and you're done.
[12:38] <kadko> ok let me enter on recovery mode and try of and if it dont work i will kill my self?
[12:40] <kadko> let me try cya and tnx
[12:41] <jscinoz> woo new nvidia driver
[12:41] <jscinoz> brb installing.
[12:48] <zeld> hi to all!
[12:48] <zeld> : )
[12:48] <centyx> hi
[12:49] <zeld> centyx: : )
[12:52] <zeld> anyone know the status of genbuntoo?
[12:53]  * Dr_willis wonders what spin off that is...
[12:53] <kadko> helow
[12:53] <centyx> ditto
[12:53] <zeld> hi kadko : )
[12:53] <zeld> ditto?
[12:54] <kadko> who was suporting me whit the splashy?
[12:54] <didy2> so how do i install compiz fusion 0.74 on hardy heron........
[12:54] <IdleOne> why not use the original. Ubuntu!
[12:54] <centyx> zeld: I meant I wonder what spinoff that is ;)
[12:54] <zeld> :P
[12:54] <didy2> so how do i install compiz fusion 0.74 on hardy heron........
[12:54] <Dr_willis> compiz is instaleld by default on ubuntu.
[12:54] <zeld> didy2: with apt-get instal
[12:54] <zeld> : D
[12:54] <IdleOne> !ccsm | zeld
[12:54] <ubotu> zeld: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[12:55] <Dr_willis> fire up the package manager search for 'compiz' start installing. if you want extra bits
[12:55] <Dr_willis> Of course you will need your 3d video card drivers installed properly also
[12:55] <didy2> ok, but does it come with the latest version of compiz fusion which is 0.74??
[12:55] <zeld> !ccms | didy2
[12:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ccms - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:55] <IdleOne> zeld: yeah sorry :)
[12:55] <zeld> !ccsm | didy2
[12:55] <ubotu> didy2: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[12:55] <zeld> lol :D
[12:55] <didy2> ok, but does it come with the latest version of compiz fusion which is 0.74??
[12:55] <Dr_willis> didy2,  the term 'latest' version is a bit vague.. it will NOT come with what came out 10 min ago.. :) and so on. Ubuntu does not do  updates that rappidly
[12:55] <zeld> dont worry IdleOne  :D
[12:56] <Dr_willis> !info compiz-fusion
[12:56] <didy2> ok 0.74 to be exact, does it?
[12:56] <IdleOne> didy2:   ubuntu-desktop usplash usplash-theme-ubuntu
[12:56] <kadko> DR_Wills: what's the name of the guy who was helping me with the splash screen?
[12:56] <ubotu> Package compiz-fusion does not exist in hardy
[12:56] <Dr_willis> the package manager will state what version is  in the repos
[12:56] <IdleOne> didy2: compiz:
[12:56] <IdleOne>   Installed: 1:0.7.2-0ubuntu2
[12:56] <IdleOne>   Candidate: 1:0.7.2-0ubuntu2
[12:56] <Dr_willis> !find compiz
[12:56] <ubotu> Found: compiz, compiz-bcop, compiz-core, compiz-dev, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (and 17 others)
[12:56] <Dr_willis> !info compiz
[12:56] <ubotu> compiz (source: compiz): OpenGL window and compositing manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.7.2-0ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 32 kB, installed size 68 kB
[12:56] <didy2> ok so can i update it to latest version? :P
[12:56] <zeld> but pulseaudio sound server is really good infront of alsa....
[12:56] <zeld> : )))))))
[12:56] <Dr_willis> Looks like its 7.2 here.
[12:56] <Dr_willis> well 0.7.2 :)
[12:56] <didy2> ok so can i update it to latest version? :P
[12:57] <Dr_willis> didy2,  You could aways go get the source if you want to..
[12:57] <Dr_willis> ubuntu does not go the 'we gotta have the latest of everything' route.
[12:57] <IdleOne> didy2: you can compile the lastest version but no garanties it will work
[12:57] <Dr_willis> !release
[12:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[12:58] <didy2> but how to install :P
[12:58] <IdleOne> didy2: #compiz-fusion can help you
[12:58] <DistroJockey> didy2: if you don't know how, I wouldn't try
[12:58] <Dr_willis> didy2,  go get the source. start compiling?  if you want the absolute latest version
[12:58] <kadko> do u want to install the fusion icon?
[12:58] <IdleOne> but yeah what DistroJockey just said
[12:58] <Dr_willis> have you even used compiz yet on hardy?
[12:58] <kadko> cuz compiz come whit ubuntu
[12:59] <didy2> yes!!!
[13:00] <didy2> cos im intending to remove opensuses and install ubuntu!
[13:00] <didy2> can i ask another question
[13:00] <Dr_willis> didy2,   You just did. :)
[13:00] <IdleOne> so the answer is no you cant
[13:00] <Dr_willis> care for another? "
[13:00] <IdleOne> :P
[13:00] <IdleOne> is 1784kB/s a decent download speed. compared to what you guys get?
[13:01] <IdleOne> didy2: ask away
[13:01] <Dr_willis> depends on your connection.
[13:01] <didy2> i have 1 physical hardisk partitioned vista/xp/suse right now.. im gonna delete suse partition and install ubuntu. so i juz boot from cd after deleting the partition and install ubuntu? will it get my dual boot to work?
[13:01] <IdleOne> Dr_willis: verisozon fios
[13:01] <IdleOne> verizon
[13:01] <Dr_willis> delete partition, leaving the space unallocated. start installer cd.. install.
[13:02] <Dr_willis> IdleOne,  like 'verizon' really tells me anything. :)
[13:02] <didy2> will it get my xp/vista dual boot correctly?
[13:02] <Dr_willis> different isps have different rates/speeds.. what sort of answer do ya want. :) No that sucks.. yes thats great? heh..
[13:02]  * centyx reboots :o
[13:02] <IdleOne> Dr_willis: heh ok I get your point
[13:02] <didy2> will it get my xp/vista dual boot correctly?
[13:02] <Dr_willis> ubuntu should install the grub boot loader and give you a menu.
[13:03] <DistroJockey> didy2: did SuSE use grub? And did you install grub to the mbr?
[13:03] <didy2> right now suse/xp/vista dual boot correctly
[13:04] <Dr_willis> i see no reason to think that ubuntu cant do the same .
[13:04] <DistroJockey> I guess my question in not really needed, cheers Dr_willis :)
[13:04] <Dr_willis> DistroJockey,  :)
[13:05] <Dr_willis> given all the questions .. i could of had ubuntu installed by now...
[13:05] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:05] <DistroJockey> hehe
[13:05] <amortvigil> hey just installed a new hardy install but i get this error that i need to be root to mount while it wasnt needed in the instalation before
[13:05] <amortvigil> how is that possible?
[13:05] <didy2> so where's my answers!!
[13:05] <didy2> right now suse/xp/vista dual boot correctly
[13:05] <Dr_willis> need to be root to mount what?
[13:06] <amortvigil> a partition
[13:06] <DistroJockey> I could have installed Mandriva and wiped it straight away and installed Ubuntu again ;)
[13:06] <amortvigil> ntfs
[13:06] <centyx> gar. no virtualbox kernel modules.
[13:06] <Dr_willis> amortvigil,  install the ntfs-3g tool, and  run it and enable the option to allow users to access them perhaps.
[13:06] <didy2> if i installed ubuntu 8.04 beta now... can i upgrade to final version (without remove/install again) when final version out?
[13:06] <centyx> have to build some... [grumble]
[13:06] <Dr_willis> didy2,  of course.
[13:07] <DistroJockey> but I'd wait the 12 days personally
[13:07] <Dr_willis> Thats  such a faq. :) one of the main POINTS of the package manager system is to allow easy upgrading.
[13:07] <Dr_willis> I normally install the beta, then update/upgrade the day befor the release.. then wait a week to do my next upgrade/updates.
[13:07] <amortvigil> Dr_willis: isnt ntfs-3g installed by default?
[13:07] <SpAc> tried a lot of different solutions but having a hard time getting Hardy to run nicely under VMWare. Anyone else had experiences?
[13:08] <Dr_willis> amortvigil,  the ntfs-config tool may not be.  Ive not really noticed.  ntfs-3g Might be,
[13:08] <DistroJockey> Dr_willis: but seeing as 8.04 is not out, it is kind of hard to say it's a definate yes to an upgrade (isn't it?)
[13:08] <didy2> ok i delete suse partitions.. leaving me with a FREE SPACE and UNALLOCATED partitions.. how can i merge them or issit ok? im gonna install ubuntu now!
[13:08] <amortvigil> Dr_willis: so i have to install ntfs-config?
[13:08] <Dr_willis> DistroJockey,  One of the main features of apt is the upgrad feature
[13:08] <DistroJockey> Dr_willis: never used it :)
[13:09] <Dr_willis> amortvigil,  you may want to try it. Ive not dug into the ntfs features of hardy much. all it does is set the fstab properly for users to use ntfs-3g, and a few other things
[13:09] <Dr_willis> didy2,  merge? If you have a sectionof hd unallocated.. ubuntu can install there.
[13:09] <DistroJockey> didy2: should work fine, depending on where you install grub
[13:10] <SpAc> Virtualbox ran way better, but it was really lacking in the feature I needed - being able to back up machine inlcuding snapshots
[13:11] <Dr_willis> There may be premade vmware-appliances for  hardy allready on the vmware appliance web site
[13:12] <hischild> Dr_willis, i've been unsuccesful so far with vmware on hardy
[13:13] <SpAc> Dr_willis, I've already got it going, but getting vmware-tools was a headache. And its performance is not impressive
[13:13] <SpAc> I'm using vmware workstation
[13:13] <SpAc> In the end I used open-vm-tools
[13:14] <Dr_willis> SpAc,  i only use the free vmware server. I havent tried  hardy under it yet.  so cant help any more then suggest looking at the vmware-appliances list and try a rprebulit vmware image.
[13:14] <Dr_willis> i tend to just use vmware/vbox for livecd image testing
[13:14] <DistroJockey> what about virtualbox ?
[13:15] <sanchinpin> I need install the packet j2sdk1.4_1.4.2.02
[13:15] <sanchinpin> but is not compatible with ubuntu 8
[13:15] <IdleOne> sanchinpin: java?
[13:15] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: yes
[13:15] <IdleOne> !java
[13:15] <ubotu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[13:15] <SpAc> DistroJockey, yeah, Virtualbox is great! But I need to be able to do backups on the virtual machine (including snapshots)
[13:15] <IdleOne> sanchinpin: you can find the sdk in synaptic also
[13:16] <SpAc> ... of the virtual machine, not on the virtual machine!
[13:16] <clarezoe> anyone can help? I can't connect to my wireless router, but I can ping 192.168.10.1 the router's IP
[13:16] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: I try it
[13:16] <Xiol> clarezoe: if you can't connect how can you ping it?
[13:16] <SpAc> perhaps I'll go over and see what's happening at #virtualbox
[13:17] <IdleOne> Xiol: there in lies the mistery :/
[13:17] <DistroJockey> SpAc: ahh, I think it has a snapshot feature, not sure though. Seem to recall something in the right hand pane of the control screen.
[13:17] <DistroJockey> SpAc: but not used it much, so I will bow out now
[13:18] <clarezoe> Xiol, I mean, I can't have internet, can't ping google.com
[13:20] <Dr_willis> clarezoe,  can you ping googles ip#?
[13:20] <clarezoe> Dr_willis, no, unknow host
[13:20] <DistroJockey> encrypted?
[13:20] <clarezoe> Dr_willis, but I can ping it under windows
[13:21] <Dr_willis> ping google.com
[13:21] <Dr_willis> PING google.com (64.233.167.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
[13:21] <Dr_willis> so 'ping 64.233.167.99' also fails?
[13:21] <Xiol> clarezoe: just in case have you tried rebooting your router(s)?
[13:21] <IdleOne> 64.233.169.147
[13:21] <DistroJockey> 64.233.187.99
[13:21] <DistroJockey> hehe
[13:21] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: no good
[13:21] <IdleOne> 64.233.169.103
[13:21] <clarezoe> Xiol, I can ping it under windows, so it's not the problem of the router
[13:22] <IdleOne> 64.233.169.104
[13:22] <IdleOne> sanchinpin: no good?
[13:22] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: i need this packet j2sdk1.4_1.4.2.02
[13:22] <Xiol> byeeee doppleganger
[13:22] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: becouse need it to compile some code.
[13:22] <rpedro> someone that is runnig compiz, has Transmission installed, that is willing to help me confirm a 'session crasher' bug?
[13:23] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: I have seen it in http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/i386/j2sdk1.4/download
[13:23] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: but It have some problems with other dependences
[13:23] <sanchinpin> IdleOne: and I do not know with.
[13:24] <IdleOne> !info free-java-sdk
[13:24] <ubotu> free-java-sdk (source: free-java-sdk): Complete Java SDK environment consisting of free Java tools. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (hardy), package size 6 kB, installed size 120 kB
[13:24] <clarezoe> Dr_willis, network is unreachable
[13:27] <scizzo-> anyone knows why flashplayer is not working in beta 5 firefox version? its showing in about:plugins and extensions but pages tell me its not enabled or installed
[13:27] <Dr_willis> i wonder if its a gateway issue.
[13:28] <IdleOne> scizzo-: what page?
[13:28] <scizzo-> IdleOne: well for example: youtube and seeqpod.com
[13:29] <IdleOne> seeqpod is working for me. clicked a link and got method man playing
[13:29] <scizzo-> IdleOne: click sign in
[13:30] <scizzo-> This content requires the Adobe Flash Player version 9 and a browser with JavaScript enabled. Get Flash
[13:30] <IdleOne> sign in window pops up
[13:30] <Dr_willis> Youtube is working here.
[13:30] <scizzo->     File name: libflashplayer.so
[13:30] <scizzo->     Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124
[13:30] <scizzo-> got that installed
[13:30] <scizzo-> not sure what is going on
[13:30] <IdleOne> scizzo-: so you installed aDOBE WHEN THE WINDOW poped up now you restart firefox
[13:31] <clarezoe> Dr_willis, I can ping google with my windows computer
[13:31] <Dr_willis> if the gateway setting on the linux box is not set properly it may goofing up like you describe.
[13:31] <scizzo-> IdleOne: its the .deb from the repos I have
[13:32] <Dr_willis> could try setting the ip# statically, setting the gateway and dns #'s to be that of the router.
[13:32] <sanchinpin> i need this packet j2sdk1.4_1.4.2.02
[13:32] <sanchinpin> but it have some problems with ubuntu 8
[13:32] <IdleOne> scizzo-: yeah that is it. restart firefox?
[13:32] <sanchinpin> dependences.
[13:32] <scizzo-> IdleOne: done it many times
[13:32] <clarezoe> Dr_willis, but how can I know the static IP and dns?
[13:32] <scizzo-> IdleOne: I have tried removing my old .mozilla also
[13:32] <sanchinpin> it is from java.
[13:33] <IdleOne> scizzo-: works fine here . try asking in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[13:33] <scizzo-> IdleOne: the browser like I said is registering the plugin but pages refuse to understand that I have the plugin
[13:33] <Dr_willis> clarezoe,  the static ip - is whatever ip you want on your lan.  - the dns and gateway are the ip# of the router.
[13:33] <scizzo-> IdleOne: thanks
[13:33] <Dr_willis> if your router is 192.168.1.1  - then use a static ip of like 192.168.1.200 or somthing
[13:34] <IdleOne> scizzo-: np sorry I cant be of more help
[13:34] <clarezoe> Dr_willis, dna and gateway are the same?
[13:35] <scizzo-> IdleOne: its alright...this started when I updated to beta 5 so not sure of what is going on
[13:35] <Dr_willis> clarezoe,  they are for me. :) since the router is the gateway, and any dns requests it gets goes to its dns seerver setting.
[13:35] <scizzo-> IdleOne: I looked at #195422
[13:35] <Dr_willis> clarezoe,  or you can see what dns server ip#'s your router is using
[13:35] <clarezoe> Dr_willis, I'll try it, brb
[13:35] <scizzo-> IdleOne: but not 100% if it is the install since it is actually installed
[13:37] <lachlan> hello. how close is hardy to having an RC release?
[13:37] <scizzo-> lachlan: a beta is out
[13:37] <scizzo-> lachlan: www.ubuntu.com/testing
[13:38] <lachlan> but when will RC be?
[13:39] <lachlan> im upgrading to beta at the moment and am wondering how stable it is and most RC releases are useable so its a good indicator
[13:39] <scizzo-> lachlan: not sure
[13:40] <lachlan> it should be stable enough for basic use shouldnt it?
[13:40] <Pelo> anyone else in eastern north american find their clock one hour ehead ?
[13:41] <IdleOne> Pelo: not here
[13:41] <Pelo> IdleOne, what time do you have ?
[13:41] <IdleOne> 841
[13:42] <Pelo> sigh,
[13:42] <IdleOne> 8:42 now Pelo
[13:42] <IdleOne> you already at 9:42?
[13:42] <IdleOne> !tzupdate
[13:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tzupdate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:42] <Pelo> thanks IdleOne got it the first time , yes, just one the computer, every other clock in my house is fine
[13:42] <savvas> Pelo: are you using ntp in time and date?
[13:43] <Pelo> savvas, if that means synced with a server yes
[13:43] <savvas> Pelo: if you're using pool.* don't :)
[13:44] <savvas> Pelo: cat /etc/ntp.conf | grep "^server"
[13:44] <IdleOne> errrr compiz is causing lag and windows to not respond as quick as I like
[13:44] <didy> i've 3 partitions now, xp/vista/data all ntfs. if i install ubuntu... how do i go abt partitioning so unbutu gets space from ONLY data partition and not vista/xp partitions??
[13:44] <Pelo> savvas, no idea what that Is,  It was like this when I got up this morninig, and I only had the NRC server on,  I added a few more to see if they would even out
[13:44] <savvas> Pelo: the best two time servers are: time.nist.gov ntp.nasa.gov
[13:45] <Pelo> savvas, I hve them all checked now,  let me see what happens when I just use those two
[13:45] <savvas> Pelo: here's what you'll do. open a terminal and do this: gksu gedit /etc/ntp.conf
[13:45] <savvas> find a line that begins with "server"
[13:45] <savvas> remove them all and add these two:
[13:46] <savvas> server time.nist.gov
[13:46] <savvas> server ntp.nasa.gov
[13:46] <Pelo> savvas, already doing it , with the gui
[13:46] <didy> i've 3 partitions now, xp/vista/data all ntfs. if i install ubuntu... how do i go abt partitioning so unbutu gets space from ONLY data partition and not vista/xp partitions??
[13:46] <savvas> Pelo: it's better manually, but ok
[13:46] <savvas> Pelo: after that, restart ntp: sudo /etc/init.d/ntp restart
[13:50] <didy> also how do i check which 32 bit or 64 bit version my cd holds for ubuntu??
[13:50] <Nubae> hi I'm getting some problems upon upgrade with pulseaudio and ubuntu desktop
[13:50] <Nubae> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[13:50] <savvas> didy: you click advanced while installing, but if you want to resize the partition, it would be better to do it with a corporate software that supports ntfs, like partition magic (safer in a way)
[13:50] <Nubae> apt-get install -f does nothing
[13:51] <savvas> Nubae: what package name did that?
[13:52] <Nubae> pulseaudio and desktop-ubuntu
[13:52] <Nubae> ubuntu-desktop sorry
[13:52] <Pelo> savvas, I redid it manualy , still same time, how long until it resyncs ?
[13:52] <Nubae> but looks like its specifically pulseaudio
[13:52] <sebner> somebody with hardy64 willing to test something for me?
[13:52] <savvas> Nubae: ok try this: sudo dpkg -P pulseaudio
[13:53] <cvd-pr> Still having problems with the ball mouse
[13:53] <Pelo> cvd-pr, you mean trackball ?
[13:53] <Nubae> nah same problem
[13:54] <savvas> Pelo: no idea, give it a day :) if it doesn't help, try setting it with ntpdate
[13:54] <cvd-pr> Pelo,  yes
[13:54] <didy> ok how big do i need for unbutu? i know there are 1 for "/" 1 for "/swap" 1 for "/home"
[13:54] <Nubae> seem to fix it, but when i go back to apt-get install -f it breaks again
[13:54] <didy> does GParted do it savvas?
[13:54] <savvas> didy: i don't trust gparted with ntfs partitions, but it probably works
[13:55] <savvas> Nubae: apt-cache policy pulseaudio
[13:55] <didy> ok how big do i need for unbutu? i know there are 1 for "/" 1 for "/swap" 1 for "/home"
[13:55] <savvas> didy: in my case, i have 8gb root /, 1gb swap and the rest goes to /home
[13:56] <Pelo> didy,  5-10 gig for / , 2xRAM for /swap max 2 gig,  the rest for /home
[13:56] <Nubae> they're the same
[13:56] <savvas> Nubae: can you please paste it? :) http://pastebin.ca
[13:56] <didy> ok so 10gb for /, 2gb for /swap, rest for /home..... rest = ?
[13:57] <Pelo> didy, what ever is left for /home
[13:57] <savvas> didy: the rest of the remaining free space
[13:57] <didy> so what does / hold? ubuntu itself? and home holds which data?
[13:58] <Pelo> didy, / is for the os
[13:58] <didy> then /home?
[13:58] <Nubae> savvas: http://pastebin.ca/982288
[13:58] <savvas> roughly said, /home is your configuration files for applications and your private files
[13:58] <IdleOne> can somebody help me to get my desktop background to update itself with the NASA image of the day?
[13:58] <Pelo> didy,  if youdon'T know this stuff you probably shouldn't be using the beta
[13:59] <Zambezi> Will rtorrent be downgraded cause it's not working at the moment?
[13:59] <didy> how big is your /home? :P
[13:59] <IdleOne> didy: 4 bedrom 2 bath :P
[13:59] <didy> oh come on
[13:59] <Pelo> didy,  mine is 63 gig
[13:59] <savvas> Nubae: go to system > administration > software sources > download from: choose "main server" > click close > reload data and tell me when done
[13:59] <didy> serious please :P
[13:59] <didy> oh so u not dual booting with windows?
[14:00]  * Pelo is disapointed he didn't think of IdleOne 's joke first 
[14:00]  * IdleOne has 65 gig or so also
[14:00] <IdleOne> Pelo: :)
[14:00] <Pelo> didy, I have two hdd
[14:00] <Pelo> didy, I can run xp on 10 gig , on another hdd, which I do , but I donT' have anything instaled in it
[14:00] <Pelo> didy,  how big is your hdd ?
[14:00] <didy> why do you need /home? can't you save your music/programs/private files on my Data partition (for me i use ntfs) possible?
[14:00] <savvas> Nubae: don't do anything else, like upgrading and trying your own commands, just tell me when it's done
[14:01] <didy> 1 physical hardisk = 300gb. 50gb for vista, 50gb for xp, rest for data now
[14:01] <didy> all ntfs partitions
[14:01] <Nubae> ok :-)
[14:01] <Pelo> didy,  do 50 gig for /home then , you should be fine with taht, you can convert more space if you need to later
[14:02] <Nubae> done
[14:02] <savvas> Nubae: ok, now do: sudo dpkg -P pulseaudio
[14:02] <Pelo> didy, ntfs does not work well with linux in general ,  ubuntu has read/write access but it is not perfect , better use a linux native FS for /home
[14:02] <Nubae> savvas: done and now?
[14:02] <didy> native FS?
[14:02] <didy> what u mean
[14:03] <Pelo> did File System
[14:03] <IdleOne> when you install ubuntu let it use ext3
[14:03] <Zambezi> Am I the only one missing sounds? 14-16 without sound, 10 with. And rtorrent won't work. Other way everything is fine.
[14:03] <IdleOne> for the file sysytem
[14:03] <savvas> Nubae: sudo rm -i /var/cache/apt/archives/pulseaudio*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/ubuntu-*.deb
[14:04] <didy> so "/" "/swap" "/home" all use ext3 right?
[14:04] <Pelo> Zambezi, "one sound" ?? I just flashed this image of you listening to a symphony with all the "do" missing
[14:04] <savvas> Nubae: click y and press enter for each file it asks you to remove, just be sure it ends with .deb :)
[14:04] <Zambezi> I really admire Ubuntupeople for their friendly approtch to beginners, but some really shouldn't begin with Hardy.
[14:05] <savvas> Zambezi: did you partially upgrade?
[14:05] <Pelo> Zambezi, that's what we keep telling ppl but they don'T listen
[14:05] <Nubae> savvas: ok, done, a lot of files but all .deb
[14:05] <didy> right? :P
[14:05] <didy> so "/" "/swap" "/home" all use ext3 right?
[14:05] <IdleOne> didy: yes
[14:05] <Nubae> swap usese swap
[14:05] <Zambezi> savvas: Not sure I understand "partially". My English is a little limited.
[14:05] <Pelo> didy, /swap will use a FS called linux-swap
[14:05] <crimsun> Zambezi: please run the alsa-info.sh script on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[14:05] <savvas> Nubae: great, now: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[14:05] <didy> home?
[14:06] <IdleOne> Pelo: there should be a CAPTCHA when try to install ubuntu+1 hehe
[14:06] <Pelo> IdleOne, is this the first time you installed ubuntu ?   stick to the "official" release
[14:06] <Nubae> reintstall? is that necessary?
[14:06] <Pelo> didy, /home in ext3
[14:06] <didy> ok
[14:06] <IdleOne> Pelo: ??
[14:06] <didy> omg unbuntu community is so much bigger than opensuse!
[14:06] <Zambezi> Pelo: A friend asked me if I recommend Hardy to him. I asked about repos. He replied "huh". And I said, no, it's nothing for you. :-)
[14:06] <Pelo> IdleOne, you know me,  you've seen me around , you know my level of expertise,  and I know I shouldn'T be using the beta
[14:06] <savvas> Zambezi: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) | grep -i installed
[14:06] <didy> lol
[14:06] <savvas> Nubae: yes
[14:07] <Pelo> IdleOne, ???
[14:07] <Nubae> ah its not so big
[14:07] <Nubae> done, thanks :-)
[14:07] <didy> are you all using PIdgin for irc?
[14:07] <Nubae> now I can upgrade
[14:07] <didy> :P
[14:07] <Nubae> ?
[14:07] <IdleOne> Pelo: yes I know you now for almost 3 years I would say. but I am not sure about why you asked if it is my first tiome installing ubuntu
[14:07] <Pelo> Nubae, speak for yoruself, I put on 10 pds in the last two weeks
[14:07] <savvas> Nubae: not yet, now: sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard
[14:07] <IdleOne> maybe less time then that but I know you have alot of experience with ubuntu
[14:08] <Pelo> IdleOne, sorry that was meant for didy
[14:08] <IdleOne> Pelo: hehe
[14:08] <Pelo> didy, is this the first time you installed ubuntu ?   stick to the "official" release
[14:08] <Nubae> savvas: ok done
[14:08]  * IdleOne hits Pelo with a tab-completion stick
[14:08] <Nubae> now?
[14:08] <Zambezi> savvas: I'm applying all the packages in apt-get upgrade, not installing external ones. And it's fine except mastervolume is disabled like the last three-four kernels but 2.6.24-10 works with sound.
[14:08] <savvas> Nubae: now: sudo aptitude -f install
[14:08] <didy> how come GParted so slow....
[14:09]  * Pelo is trying to get a .deb package for cdemu bugt can't seem to find one 
[14:09] <savvas> didy: if you are partitioning 500gb, expect slowness :)
[14:09] <Pelo> didy, you should have defragged your ntfs partitons a few times before resizing them
[14:09] <IdleOne> I would like to have my desktop background auto change to the image of the day from NASA . how would I do this?
[14:09] <Nubae> savvas:done
[14:09] <didy> why Pelo? faster?
[14:09] <Pelo> IdleOne, try the forum , look for web wallpaper or something
[14:10] <savvas> Nubae: sudo aptitude install pulseaudio
[14:10] <IdleOne> Pelo: will do
[14:10] <didy> but Partition Magic is so fast.....
[14:10] <Pelo> didy, when resizing ,  gparted will have to move data around to make room , if the drive is defraged it has less data to move around
[14:10] <Nubae> wow so I really broke my system
[14:10] <didy> it's all ok so long it doesn't mess/corrupt any data i hope
[14:11] <savvas> Nubae: maybe, but did it install correctly now?
[14:11] <rinaldi_> hi, im trying to get the ps3 sixaxis working through usb. I tried this: http://ps3.jim.sh/sixaxis/usb/ and didn't apply the patch it told me becuase my kernel is higher than 2.6.21. when i do jstest --normal /dev/input/js1 I get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62923/ but when I do jscal it tells me it's a bad address
[14:11] <Pelo> IdleOne, might be doable throught fspot or someting ,  using the nasa website as an external shared folder for the image library
[14:11] <didy> but then again... if i click Abort now... its resizing atm .... will any data go wrong?
[14:11] <Nubae> well, not error messages at the end
[14:12] <savvas> Nubae: great, now continue what you were doing, but NEVER do partial upgrades using update manager
[14:12] <Nubae> dpkg: error processing pulseaudio (--configure):
[14:12] <Nubae>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[14:12] <savvas> yikes
[14:12] <Pelo> didy, wwe don't usualy click abort , we know better then to start someting we donT' want to finish,   you clicked applied now live with it, go take a shower or someting
[14:12] <didy> ok Dad :P
[14:12] <Nubae> I didnt... just did apt-get update
[14:12] <Nubae> then apt-get upgrade
[14:13] <didy> im so scared cos i don't see the partition im resizing at My Computer folder
[14:13] <savvas> Nubae: can you paste me the whole output of apt-get update at http://pastebin.ca
[14:13]  * Pelo realy hates idiots who make websites with dark font on a dark background, like they've never heard of contrast 
[14:13] <crimsun> Nubae: I doubt that error has anything to do with pulseaudio.
[14:13] <Zambezi> didy: If you're scared, why don't you install it on a separate harddrive?
[14:13] <crimsun> Nubae: apt-get autoclean; dpkg --configure -a;
[14:13] <didy> cos i only have one hard drive atm.....
[14:14] <Pelo> didy, you should not have tried to use the beta and for your first install you should have stuck to the default ubuntu installation
[14:14] <Nubae> it didnt actaully end int an error this time so I'm trying to reupgrade
[14:14] <Nubae> and seems to be workiing
[14:14] <didy> what's wrong with beta?
[14:14] <Nubae> I lie
[14:14] <Zambezi> didy: You can get an old one really cheap. Like an old XBOX-harddrive. 8-10 GB. Enough for testing. :-)
[14:14]  * Pelo 's clock has resynced ,  thanks savvas 
[14:14] <savvas> Nubae: is it installed with no errors or not? logs please
[14:14] <Nubae> http://pastebin.ca/982304ç
[14:14] <savvas> n/p :)
[14:15] <didy> i've tried ubuntu live version cd on wubi... and then opensuse on real installation with dual boot xp/vista.. worked perfectly. now im gonna try unbuntu on same setup :P
[14:15] <Pelo> didy, beta is beta , ie not stable , being tweaked as we go , getting ready for the new release, if it was ready for use it wouldn'T be beta
[14:15] <Nubae> without the Ç
[14:15] <didy> i know Pelo. thanks for ur concern.. im juz trying my luck :P
[14:16] <theunixgeek> Has the clipboard bug been fixed in Hardy?
[14:16] <savvas> Nubae: uname -a
[14:16] <didy> omg... ubuntu is so cool.... except for the looks.. and maybe like 1-click installation... suse sucks!
[14:16] <Pelo> didy if you mess , and come crying to me, I will whipe your tears with a baseball bat
[14:16] <theunixgeek> didy: you get used to the brown.
[14:16] <crimsun> Nubae: dpkg -l sysv-rc|grep ^ii
[14:16] <Nubae> Linux mayserve 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 22:31:43 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:16] <didy> no worries Pelo... i'll just jump off from my flat :P
[14:16] <theunixgeek> didy: ends up being easier on the eyes than windoze. tho apple's switch to grey was very nice :)
[14:17] <Nubae> crimsun, you're commands ended with the same pulseaudio error
[14:17] <crimsun> Nubae: I just gave you another command.
[14:17] <Zambezi> didy: And things that work in Gutsy, might not work in Hardy. So if you want a correct/fair view of Ubuntu, then stick to Gutsy. :-)
[14:17] <didy> i like the way ubuntu organise its start menu etc etc
[14:17] <Nubae> I was talking about the previous command
[14:17] <crimsun> Nubae: I know
[14:18] <savvas> Nubae: 12-generic? hmm you're a bit behind :P
[14:18] <savvas> Nubae: wait please
[14:18] <Nubae> ii  sysv-rc                                    2.86.ds1-54                    System-V-like runlevel change mechanism
[14:18] <Nitro> When logging out of gnome, isn
[14:18] <Nitro> isn't there a logfile that's generated?
[14:18] <crimsun> Nubae: ...why are you running a Debian sysv-rc?
[14:18] <Plantain> Hey, now that python-xml has been deprecated, any python programs that try to use "import xml.dom.ext" crash. What do I need to do to fix this? :/
[14:19] <savvas> Nubae: wget http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.10-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb; md5sum pulseaudio_0.9.10-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[14:19] <crimsun> Nubae: not to mention it's from an obsolete version of testing
[14:19] <crimsun> savvas: the issue is not pulseaudio.  It's his installed version of sysv-rc, which does not contain the Ubuntu modification (target multiuser).
[14:19] <Nubae> crimsun, this is what I got when I did an apt-get update and upgrade
[14:20] <Pelo> later folks
[14:20] <crimsun> Nubae: apt-cache policy sysv-rc
[14:20] <savvas> crimsun: woops, didn't know :)
[14:21] <crimsun> for the records, cross-grades from Debian can be quite troublesome.
[14:21] <MrStein> Is there a way to set linear mouse/pointer movement ? I tried around in the Mouse preferences, but I got everything, from negative acceleration to positive. And sometimes linear. It seems completely erratic. I use the 8.04 beta ubuntu desktop CD.
[14:21] <crimsun> Nubae is demonstrating that perfectly.
[14:22] <Nubae> http://pastebin.ca/982308
[14:22] <savvas> crimsun: what's a crossgrade? dist-upgrade from debian to ubuntu?
[14:22] <Nubae> i never did that
[14:23] <savvas> sysv-rc: Installed: 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu43 Candidate: 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu43
[14:23] <savvas> heh
[14:23] <savvas> he has an updated version sysv-rc :P
[14:24] <Nubae> although I may have enabled a debian rep at one time
[14:24] <Nubae> but I never did an upgrade with it enabled
[14:24] <savvas> Nubae: wget http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/sysvinit/sysv-rc_2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu43_all.deb
[14:24] <savvas> we'll fix it (i hope)
[14:24] <lucypher> After today's compiz upgrade I have some resizing issues when rotating the cube
[14:25] <Nubae> savvas: done
[14:25] <savvas> Nubae: when it's done downloading: sudo dpkg -i sysv-rc_2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu43_all.deb
[14:25] <Nubae> savvas: done
[14:25] <savvas> Nubae: no errors?
[14:25] <Nubae> nope
[14:25] <amortvigil> are there more ppl having trouble with login screen manager taking 10 minutes to startup?
[14:26] <savvas> Nubae: apt-cache policy sysv-rc | grep Installed
[14:26] <echinos> did apt-get upgrade, now I have no sound, and no module for it, it seems :/
[14:26] <Zambezi> amortvigil: Not me, but I have other problem.
[14:26] <Nubae>  Installed: 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu43
[14:27] <savvas> Nubae: sudo apt-get -f install --reinstall pulseaudio
[14:28] <Nubae> yep, no problems
[14:28] <amortvigil> Zambezi: what kind?
[14:28] <Nubae> thankls guys
[14:28] <savvas> Nubae: are you sure this time? :)
[14:28] <Nubae> yes
[14:28] <savvas> Nubae: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[14:28] <crimsun> Nubae: a cross-grade means that you used Debian repos as an origin
[14:28] <crimsun> Nubae: it does not at all mean that you "came from Debian"
[14:28] <cvd-pr> can i change my user name and the /home name without any problem?
[14:29] <cvd-pr> without loosing anything
[14:29] <Nubae> alll seems ok, though lots of packagages kept back and such
[14:30] <savvas> cvd-pr: logically no, but there are no guarantees in a beta :)
[14:30] <cvd-pr> so i have to login in root mode then hacnget i
[14:30] <cvd-pr> t
[14:30] <valehru> Hey guys, updated to heron from Gutsy but now have zero sound. Can anyone help?
[14:30] <Nubae> welll I guess I'm upgraded then
[14:31] <savvas> Nubae: better use this when you want to upgrade: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[14:31] <Zambezi> amortvigil: Disabled sound, problem with rtorrent.
[14:31] <Nubae> thankyou thankyou savvas and crimsun
[14:31] <Zambezi> valehru: Me too.
[14:31] <valehru> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) - Any ideas?
[14:31] <Nubae> savvas: why?
[14:31] <Zambezi> valehru: Red disabledicon on mastervolume.
[14:31] <swhalen> ﻿Hello. I just updated to the beta and cant get emerald to run. it just hangs.
[14:31] <savvas> Nubae: it's safer :)
[14:31] <rinaldi_> rinaldi
[14:31] <cvd-pr> Where can i allow root login?
[14:31] <Zambezi> valehru: It works with older kernel.
[14:31] <valehru> Zambezi, nope.  All icons have full volume. Just no output
[14:32] <dwidmann> !root cvd-pr
[14:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about root cvd-pr - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:32] <dwidmann> !root | cvd-pr
[14:32] <ubotu> cvd-pr: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[14:32] <crimsun> valehru: run the alsa-info.sh script from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[14:32] <Zambezi> valehru: I have a redicon on the "speaker" to the left by the clock.
[14:32] <Nubae> another question, why does database not appear in hardy?
[14:33] <savvas> what database?
[14:33] <Nubae> ooobase
[14:33] <crimsun> it does.
[14:33] <crimsun>      1:2.4.0-3ubuntu2 0
[14:33] <crimsun>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[14:33] <savvas> Nubae: applications > office >
[14:33] <Nubae> not thre
[14:34] <savvas> looks like you have more than one problems :)
[14:34] <crimsun> Nubae: just install it.
[14:34] <savvas> Nubae: it would be better if you reinstalled hardy, a clean install
[14:34] <Nubae> ok, how do I make it appear?
[14:34] <valehru> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/982321  - Ran the script. Any ideas?
[14:35] <dwidmann> Nubae: sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-base
[14:35] <crimsun> savvas: openoffice.org-base is no longer seeded in -desktop
[14:35] <Nubae> I cant do that, too much time invested in getting this up an running, its a school server
[14:35] <savvas> really?
[14:35] <Nubae> ltsp server
[14:35] <savvas> damn
[14:35] <crimsun> savvas: correct.
[14:35] <crimsun> valehru: sec, pretty busy here.
[14:35] <valehru> crimsun, no probs. take ur time.
[14:36] <swapnil> hi All, I'm trying to Install Atheros wifi drivers using Ndiswrapper. When i type modprobe ndiswrapper my system crashes. Pls help
[14:37] <crimsun> valehru: holy cow, why did you install alsa-lib 1.0.16 and alsa-utils 1.0.9rc4a?  Is this a dist-upgrade from breezy?
[14:37] <valehru> crimsun, from gutsy.
[14:37] <Nubae> crimsun: thanks, that worked
[14:37] <crimsun> valehru: gutsy did not ship with either version of those sources.
[14:37] <valehru> crimsun, ended up compiling the latest from alsa last night.
[14:37] <valehru> well, thought they were the latest
[14:37] <valehru> they seemed a bit old
[14:37] <valehru> ;)
[14:38] <crimsun> 1.0.9rc4a is several years old.
[14:38] <crimsun> anyhow, you need to revert /all/ self-compiled ALSA changes
[14:38] <valehru> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page  - Amazing that they list those as the current versions there.
[14:39] <crimsun> valehru: where is 1.0.9rc4a listed?
[14:39] <valehru> ahh, no.   Feck. I got them from a post on the forums. Wasnt even looking.
[14:39] <valehru> meh
[14:39] <crimsun> uh yeah.
[14:39] <savvas> hehe
[14:39] <savvas> you gotta hand it to him, he did build it from source :P
[14:39] <Nubae> savvas: any experience with virtualbox?
[14:39] <W8TAH> morning everyone -- how do i get a particular network profile to be the default one in the network manager?
[14:39] <valehru> crimsun, 1.0.16 advised?
[14:40] <valehru> savvas, been doing that for years. lol.
[14:40] <savvas> Nubae: a lot, with the compiled version from www.virtualbox.org
[14:40] <crimsun> valehru: so: remove ~/.asoundrc* and the "options snd-hda-intel model=ref".. line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[14:40] <jhonny> there is nothing wrong with marrying and getting 2 women in your life even 2 girlfriends
[14:40] <Nubae> ok, I cannot for the life of me get the kernel to vboxdrv to work for me
[14:41] <crimsun> valehru: next: apt-get --reinstall install alsa-utils
[14:41] <savvas> Nubae: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic
[14:41] <savvas> Nubae: sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[14:42] <savvas> Nubae: are you using the compiled version from the virtualbox.org sire or the one from the repositories?
[14:42] <valehru> crimsun, done and dusted. Any way to modprobe the audio without rebooting?
[14:42] <savvas> *site
[14:42] <Nubae> from the repos
[14:43] <Nubae>  * Starting VirtualBox kernel module vboxdrv
[14:43] <Nubae>  * No suitable module for running kernel found.
[14:43] <Nubae> I've been through alll of this before, it feels familiar
[14:43] <crimsun> valehru: sure, but you should power down and power back up (cold cycle).  Some hda codecs don't reinit properly.
[14:43] <savvas> Nubae: sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-modules-generic
[14:44] <valehru> crimsun, ok.Will do.  Thanks for the assist. meh, should have realised those drivers were as old as the hills.
[14:44] <valehru> back soon
[14:44] <savvas> Nubae: now try again: sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[14:46] <Nubae>  * Usage: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv {start|stop|restart|status}
[14:46] <Nubae> maybe I should restart
[14:46] <Nubae> seeing as new kernel and all
[14:46] <savvas> Nubae: yeah probably, as i said, i use the compilted version :)
[14:47] <savvas> http://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/VerifyItem-Start/virtualbox_1.5.6-28266_Ubuntu_gutsy_amd64.deb?BundledLineItemUUID=9RVIBe.pHigAAAEZIxEiukLi&OrderID=IBBIBe.pjqIAAAEZFBEiukLi&ProductID=54dIBe.oC0gAAAEYH849OqSR&FileName=/virtualbox_1.5.6-28266_Ubuntu_gutsy_amd64.deb
[14:47] <Nubae> ok, I'll be back
[14:47] <tacone> oh, nice url. really.
[14:47] <didy> omg so long
[14:47] <todd_> I just downloaded the latest batch of updates this morning and I have an evolution-data-(something) process eating up 100% of the cpu and my mouse no longer works
[14:47] <IdleOne> ok found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=679374 my question now is how to get cron to excute this script? I dont understand cron and how it works
[14:48] <savvas> crontab -e
[14:48] <valehru> crimsun, no luck. still zero sound.  http://pastebin.ca/982340
[14:48] <savvas> IdleOne: http://www.clickmojo.com/code/cron-tutorial.html
[14:48] <IdleOne> savvas: ? need more specific instructions please
[14:48] <didy> if i abort gparted resizing the partition now, will anything go wrong??
[14:49] <IdleOne> savvas: ahh ty
[14:49] <crimsun> valehru: good lord, how many model= do you have?
[14:49] <valehru> crimsun, good question.
[14:49] <savvas> IdleOne: it's quite easy once you get the hang of it, there are a bunch of tutorials if you google it :)
[14:50] <crimsun> valehru: I mean in /etc/modprobe.d/*, "options snd-hda-intel model="..
[14:50] <amortvigil> hey the " hardware drivers " tool is crashing all the time how can i start it properly?
[14:50] <amortvigil> i did a reboot but it still crashes
[14:51] <valehru> crimsun, meh, there was one I missed in a separate file. all sorted now. Will do a cold start and check again.
[14:53] <IdleOne> savvas: so if I wanted to run that script at 6am this would be the line to put in crontab -e 00 06 * * * /home/idleone/.wallpaper
[14:55] <savvas> IdleOne: yep, 6am every day
[14:55] <valehru> crimsun, works fine now. thanks.
[14:55] <IdleOne> savvas: thanks for the push in the right direction
[14:55] <savvas> n/p :)
[14:55] <valehru> One more problem, compiz doesnt seem to be loading up on the latest version.  No windows manager at all, need to start it manually.
[15:00] <savvas> initramfs-tools: Depends: volumeid but it is not installable
[15:00] <savvas> meh
[15:00] <Nubae> savvas: vbox now working, but my vmachine keeps getting stuck
[15:01] <savvas> Nubae: which operating system?
[15:01] <valehru> jockey is still broken right?
[15:01] <Nubae> savvas: it used to be a vmware vmachine
[15:01] <Scunizi> I know there are opinions about how to get to the next version.. clean install or upgrade.. I'm curious on doing the upgrade.. I do have a seperate /home and I have enough HD space to do a fesh install if needed. What are the pro's/con's of each that will make a functional difference.
[15:01] <Nubae> xp pro
[15:01] <savvas> Nubae: i think there are some settings for acpi, try enable it
[15:02] <savvas> Scunizi: backup everything on a separate hard drive and try it :) it's still beta so there are no guarantees with either way, the clean install is just "cleaner"
[15:03] <Nubae> savvas: you area a hero
[15:03] <didy> OMG so long!!!!
[15:04] <VousDeux> In the past, when I have upgraded Kubuntu, I have been able to run vmware-config.pl to very quickly get VMware working on the new kernel. This does not seem to be working, so far, on 8.04. Would someone be kind enough to have a look at: http://www.nopaste.org/p/afaXevpYv
[15:04] <savvas> didy: i had told you to use partition magic, no one's to blamed for this taking so long but you :)
[15:05] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone tell me if the commands to get conky showing mounted cdrom/floppy/flash drives is the same as the HD commands and will it show automatically those devices when they are mounted and umounted
[15:05] <valehru> found the fix for jockey. done and dusted
[15:05] <Pirate_Hunter> ?
[15:05] <savvas> VousDeux: i think vmware isn't ready yet for 8.04
[15:06] <didy> :P
[15:06] <didy> but partition magic doesnt work on ubuntu right?
[15:06] <Scunizi> VousDeux, is this server?
[15:06] <VousDeux> no, workstation
[15:07] <savvas> didy: no.. but you could use it as a boot cd :)
[15:07] <savvas> valehru: you seem to be dusting really well :P
[15:07] <Scunizi> VousDeux, ouch.. that was one of my concerns with the upgrade. I run server and depend on it.  I've forgotten, does vmware-config.pl re-compile the install or just make a few changes?
[15:08] <didy> really? but its not free :P
[15:08] <VousDeux> it recompiles
[15:09] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone tell me if the commands to get conky showing mounted cdrom/floppy/flash drives is the same as the HD commands and will it show automatically those devices when they are mounted and umounted?
[15:09] <valehru> savvas, if only I could figure out now why compiz aint starting up properly with advanced effects.  The nvidia driver seems to be enabled. Can see that its now in use through jockey.  Stumped
[15:09] <VousDeux> yeah, I depend on it too...I never imagined that it would not work
[15:09] <savvas> valehru: try compiz --replace &
[15:09] <Scunizi> VousDeux, so you'd think that would fix any issue... apparently not.  Any info on VMWare's site?
[15:10] <VousDeux> I havn't looked at their site yet.
[15:10] <valehru> savvas, that doesnt give me a window manager though. No window borders.  compiz on its own does, but zero advanced effects
[15:10] <VousDeux> I have Gold support...maybe I'll have to play that card.
[15:10] <savvas> VousDeux: well you have an alternative: www.virtualbox.org
[15:11] <VousDeux> I have too much at stake in VMware already. I didn't hear about VirtualBox until after I had already taken the plunge.
[15:11] <savvas> valehru: did you enable it through system > preferences > appearance > visual effects?
[15:11] <valehru> savvas, yup.
[15:12] <VousDeux> I use it in my daily grind when I scan the stock market for opportunities.
[15:12] <savvas> valehru: ok, try disable it, log out, log in, enable it and log out/log in again
[15:12] <Nubae> savvas: Im in fullscreen on vbox, how do I get out?
[15:13] <savvas> Nubae: ctrl-F - you should READ the warnings
[15:13] <Nubae> :-)
[15:13] <Scunizi> VousDeux, I might have found a solution on VMWare site but it's a link referance  .. http://www.nowhere.dk/
[15:13] <savvas> Nubae: you'll end up with no smile if you keep going without reading what the program tells you :P
[15:14] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone help me with conky plz?
[15:15] <amortvigil> hey does anyone have the aqua theme from zgeg?
[15:15] <savvas> enough for one day, laters :)
[15:16] <valehru> hmm. When using normal appearence I have a windows border, when using normal or extra the window border is removed.
[15:16] <mheath> valehru: Your system might have problems with Compiz.
[15:16] <VousDeux> thanks Scunizi
[15:17] <mheath> valehru: With the desktop effects settings enabled, the program that usually provides Window directions is kind of replaced by anohter, Compiz-enabled one.
[15:17] <mheath> *window decorations
[15:17] <valehru> mheath, ya think?  hmm, only compiz-core was installed.  strange. have installed the compiz package now. will check it out.
[15:18] <valehru> mheath, yup.  works now. strange that.  I was sure they were previously installed.
[15:18] <Scunizi> VousDeux, no problem.. I use server just so I can run IE6x, my scanner and 1 other piece of software.. It's needed for work and drives me NUTS.  I'd love to not have to use it.
[15:18] <VousDeux> what kind of scanner?
[15:19] <valehru> ok. that seems to be everything working. No more upgrades for me until day of the full release.
[15:19] <VousDeux> it seems weird that a patch for VMware would come from a third-party
[15:19] <valehru> thanks for all your help guys and gals.
[15:21] <Nubae> savvas: I've got it all working but natting doesnt seem to work right... under vmware it was rather easy
[15:21] <Scunizi> VousDeux, MicroTeck scanmaker 5950 with a sheetfeeder.. they're still sold for $300+ but I picked up a shelf model a couple of years ago for $50.. couldn't pass it up.
[15:21] <didy> lol
[15:22] <VousDeux> oh, that kind of scanner :)
[15:22] <Scunizi> VousDeux, actually now I think you can get them for around $150 but they are not linux friendly..
[15:22] <VousDeux> I was thinking along the lines of the market scanner I use...sorry, for getting off-topic...I'll quit now
[15:23] <Scunizi> VousDeux, np..
[15:23] <Scunizi> :]
[15:24] <savvas> Nubae: then remove virtualbox-ose and download the compiled version: http://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/VerifyItem-Start/virtualbox_1.5.6-28266_Ubuntu_gutsy_amd64.deb?BundledLineItemUUID=c1tIBe.piCEAAAEZwp0iukME&OrderID=hj9IBe.p_goAAAEZsp0iukME&ProductID=54dIBe.oC0gAAAEYH849OqSR&FileName=/virtualbox_1.5.6-28266_Ubuntu_gutsy_amd64.deb
[15:24] <Nubae> ok
[15:25] <Nubae> savvas: should I uninstall everything?
[15:25] <VousDeux> hmmm...this fix seems to be referring to a problem with a wireless bridge...perhaps a good place to start would be with the Intel 4965 interface
[15:26] <VousDeux> Now, if I could just find my papers so I knew exactly what model all of my hardware is.
[15:27] <Nubae> ie, modules too?
[15:28] <Scunizi> VousDeux, I've never tried Virtualbox.. is it suppose to run with less resources? faster? etc.....
[15:29] <VousDeux> I'm really not familiar with it, other than hearing mention of it.
[15:29] <VousDeux> I know that VMware workstation has served me well for many years.
[15:29] <Nubae> it cerntainly has more features
[15:30] <Nubae> but harder to get working
[15:30] <Scunizi> Nubae, workstation?
[15:30] <Nubae> virtualbox
[15:31] <Scunizi> Nubae, really? more features? like what?.. I haven't played with it.. just VMW Server
[15:32] <Nubae> just take a look... also its really open source
[15:32] <Nubae> vmare isnt
[15:32] <Scunizi> true..
[15:32] <saurabh> i updated Hardy using the package manager in the night and suddenly, compiz doesnt work, the title bar is gone!
[15:33] <Nubae> u can share drives with  it
[15:33] <Nubae> better audio an serial support
[15:33] <Nubae> etc
[15:35] <didy> anyone knows any other alternative for gparted that is fast????
[15:36] <Scunizi> nice.. just checking the site now.. the Big question for us vmware users is .. will it convert or use a vm from vmware?
[15:36] <mheath> saurabh: Hmm, interesting - someone earlier was pointing out similar problems.
[15:36] <mheath> didy: parted?
[15:36] <didy> parted???
[15:36] <saurabh> mheath: something to do with xorg
[15:36] <mheath> didy: Yes? The command line tool and library that gparted is based on.
[15:37] <Scunizi> didy, parted is the command line tool for gparted.. what's so slow about gparted?
[15:37] <mheath> parted is a command line tool that gives you the exact same functionality as parted, but will likely run slightly faster.
[15:37] <didy> gparted is too slow...
[15:37] <mheath> didy: Doing what?
[15:37] <TerrorismSux> get faster pc
[15:37] <TerrorismSux> :D
[15:37] <mheath> Reformatting or resizing hard drives takes a long time.
[15:37] <mheath> *hard drive partitions
[15:38] <todd_> I just downloaded the latest batch of updates this morning and I have an evolution-data-(something) process eating up 100% of the cpu and my mouse no longer works ... any idea how to resolve this?
[15:38] <Nubae> yes, I'm currently running an xp pro that was previously running on vmare
[15:38] <Nubae> no probs
[15:38] <didy> 500mb = 50gb?
[15:39] <Nubae> my problem is can't find the right ethernet driver
[15:39] <Nubae> and without that no interenet so I dont see how I can transfer the driver to the vmachine
[15:39] <hischild> didy, 500mb = .5 gb
[15:41] <ozgur> hi
[15:41] <ozgur> is there anybody
[15:41] <ozgur> help me
[15:41] <Nubae> I'll have to write the damn driver to a cdrom
[15:41] <mheath> ozgur: Yes, this channel had 347 people in it.
[15:41] <mheath> ozgur: Just ask your question :-)
[15:41] <ozgur> i have 8.04 for testing it
[15:42] <ozgur> my wireless card isnt working
[15:42] <Scunizi> Nubae, you got any left over small partitions that can be  used?
[15:42] <TerrorismSux> when do they plan to fix jockey-gtk?
[15:42] <crimsun> TerrorismSux: it's the weekend; the employees are off.
[15:43] <crimsun> (or travelling)
[15:43] <mheath> TerrorismSux: I'd check the launchpad page to see the status of any unresolved issues.
[15:43] <ozgur> i have toshiba satalite A215-S7437 with rtl8187 wireless card
[15:43] <didy> i've now a 50GB unallocated. so should i partition / /home /swap using gparted or go straight to install ubuntu????
[15:43] <crimsun> that doesn't stop an enterprising person as yourself from fixing it, though.
[15:43] <TerrorismSux> i would too if i knew the link
[15:43] <Scunizi> didy, you can do it now
[15:44] <didy> ok on the partition stage.. it gives me 4 options.. which one shld i choose?
[15:44] <didy> manual or option1?
[15:44] <Nubae> Scunizi: problem is that the virtualbox needs to see the driver, and its on my hardy
[15:44] <Nubae> how to I transfer it?
[15:44] <mheath> ozgur: It appears there is no free driver included for that card.
[15:44] <ozgur> for about 2 month i look for solution with ubuntu 7.10 but no solution
[15:44] <ozgur> i install 8.04 for about a week
[15:44] <ozgur> yes
[15:45] <mheath> ozgur: You can likely get it to work, but if getting the card to work is something unfamiliar to you, it's not something you should attempt on an unreleased version of Ubuntu.
[15:45] <ozgur> i install driver with ndiswrapper
[15:45] <ozgur> and from ubuntuforums.org
[15:45] <ozgur> advice
[15:45] <VousDeux> well, the wireless hardware seems to be working just fine (I just wish it wouldn't always connect to the neighbors unsecured network first)
[15:45] <Scunizi> Nubae, transfer with usb stick or if you have a partiton to use.. format it with vfat and drop it there.. or if network manager works between the two machines .. drag and drop
[15:45] <ozgur> but i cant connect my WPA-PSK network
[15:46] <TerrorismSux> sounds like hardware limitation
[15:46] <spiderfire> is there a restricted drivers for the latest kernel image yet? i didnt see one
[15:46] <Nubae> usbstick sounds promising
[15:46] <TerrorismSux> restricted drivers dont work i tought
[15:46] <crimsun> spiderfire: there is.  There are issues with Nvidia.
[15:46] <TerrorismSux> cuz of Jockey
[15:46] <spiderfire> so i wont update it then
[15:47] <crimsun> TerrorismSux: different errors from different (distinct, orthogonal) bugs.
[15:47] <ozgur> is there restricted driver or will it be like Ati or Nvidia
[15:47] <inspired12> I have a weird error on a fresh install
[15:47] <inspired12> instead of loading gnome, I end up in a terminal like section
[15:48] <inspired12> but instead of my account name, I get something called "initramfs"
[15:48] <crimsun> inspired12: boot into the desktop (live) cd, regenerate the initramfs on your install, and reboot.
[15:48] <inspired12> the help command gives me more commands, but im not sure where to go
[15:48] <inspired12> cool, how do I regenerate initramfs?
[15:48] <icanhasadmin> well -16 broke my wifi and my fglrx... i fixed the wifi by recompiling the drivers (which is kind of odd)
[15:49] <spiderfire> hows the amd64 repo doing?
[15:50] <crimsun> inspired12: Use update-initramfs.  The wiki has more hints.
[15:50] <inspired12> k i am booting into the live cd right now
[15:51] <esox> I found an issue with hardy studio beta install. When you do the install connected to the net, it cant create grub at the end of install procedure. Also if you use french server for updating to hardy, it doesn't work. You need to use main servers. Also wine 9.59 provided by hardy is buggy (memory errors), the one provided with gutsy (9.42 or 46 I think) doesn't have that issue
[15:51] <inspired12> how do changes I make in the live cd affect the hard drive instal?
[15:51] <ozgur> so what can i do
[15:51] <Nubae> wont do it, refuses to read the usb stick
[15:51] <Nubae> as if it doesnt exist
[15:51] <Nubae> dont see an option to add it in the preferences either
[15:51] <Nubae> oh well
[15:51] <ozgur> can i wait for ubuntu to put this restricted drivers to repos
[15:51] <Nubae> is that possible in vmware?
[15:52] <spiderfire> ozgur: im waiting before i update kernel stuff
[15:52] <esox> If you do install without net connection grub installs, but after cant activate wifi on my asus A7Vc, no hardware switch.
  can i wait for ubuntu to put this restricted drivers to repos
[15:52] <ozgur> ok
[15:53] <spiderfire> you can install other stuff
[15:53] <legah> what is the correct vga setting in grub menu.lst for setting it to 1280x1024? Lost my setting when upgraded kernel through update manager
[15:53] <cdm10> When I try to connect to a Windows share through Nautilus, it asks for a username, domain, and password, when there is no password on the share... this never happened before Hardy.
[15:53] <cdm10> I've tried everything I can think of, but it won't let me connect to the share. Gutsy just connects to it without asking for anything.
[15:54] <poizone> I'm having some trouble getting an ntfs drive to mount
[15:54] <poizone> I get an error about priveledges
[15:55] <poizone> even after editing PolicyKits mount priveledges
[15:55] <ozgur> poizone which ubuntu dist.
[15:55] <poizone> standard hardy heron beta
[15:56] <poizone> I'm not a kubuntu or Xubuntu fan
[15:56] <inspired12> ﻿hey, I am in the live cd now, would u mind helping me through updating the initramfs? or link me to a page pls
[15:56] <inspired12> I tried the update-initramfs on the terminal but it says that it is disabled since running a live cd
[15:57] <esox> inspired12: you had the problem at startup : system stops on initramfs ?
[15:57] <ozgur> i have hade same problem with my 7.04 i could not remember but i have solved it from ubuntuforums.org
[15:57] <Scunizi> Nubae, sorry was in another channel.. possible in vmwre? you mean using the usb stick?
[15:58] <ozgur> whois ozgur
[15:58] <LjL> Seveas: trick?
[15:59] <ozgur> clear
[15:59] <Seveas> LjL, the file is copied to /var/run/grub/menu.lst, then update magic is done, then the file is put back (or at least something like this is happening)
[15:59] <Seveas> LjL, that trickery is needed because of the special nature of that file
[16:00] <Nubae> Scunizi: yes
[16:00] <LjL> Seveas: oh, uhm... i have /var/run/grub/menu.lst.ucf-dist
[16:00] <Seveas> well, there you go :)
[16:00] <Seveas> it might be in /var/lib/ucf/cache as well
[16:00] <LjL> Seveas: well, the changes that i refused were what, anyway? there was certainly a kernel update, but i don't think on other kernel updates i've been asked anything about menu.lst...
[16:00] <Scunizi> Nubae, in VMware Server you can have up to 2 usb devices connected at the same time.. including a usb stick if it is recognized.. I've found some aren't
[16:01] <LjL> what does ucf stand for anyway?
[16:01] <Seveas> LjL, probably the new xen options
[16:01] <Seveas> LjL, Update Configuration File
[16:01] <LjL> ugh, /var/lib/ucf/cache/:var:run:grub:menu.lst
[16:01] <LjL> what sort of syntax is that
[16:01] <Seveas> part of the new debian tools
[16:01]  * LjL is scared
[16:01]  * Seveas too
[16:01] <didy> im totally lost right now
[16:01] <icanhasadmin> what tha...?
[16:02]  * icanhasadmin runs away
[16:02] <legah> see you're talking about grub menu.lst here.. anyone know why me adding vga=795 doesn't work now? It did before update..
[16:02] <LjL> Seveas: so is that like for config files that APT can't seriously claim other parts of the system aren't going to touch?
[16:03] <didy> i've 30gb unallocated partition now.. when i go installation, and choose "Guided use the largest contagious free space" it says i cannot create anymore primary partitions!
[16:03] <Seveas> no, ucf is that part of the toolset responsible for the configfiles
[16:03] <Seveas> the trickery for grub is not related to the fact that it now uses ucf like so many other packages.
[16:03] <LjL> hm
[16:04] <LjL> Seveas: so anyway when you say "like so many other packages", that means not *all* packages are using it
[16:04] <Seveas> correct
[16:04]  * LjL is more scared
[16:04] <Scunizi> didy, are you going to be dual booting?
[16:05] <LjL> Seveas: hope this won't end up three way merging my brains.
[16:05] <didy> does ubuntu only install on logical partition???
[16:05] <didy> yes
[16:05] <Seveas> not ehough brainmatter to attempt a merge
[16:05] <didy> i've vista on primary, data on primary, xp on logical partition
[16:05] <LjL> point
[16:05] <didy> someone help plz
[16:06] <Scunizi> didy, you can only have 4 primary partitions on a HD.. thus.. if you need more the 4th primary partition has to be a logical partition so you can add more partitions below it.. Ubuntu will need at minimum 2 partitions .. / (root... and /swap
[16:07] <Scunizi> didy, ubuntu's partitions can be primary or logical
[16:07] <daning> ﻿I am using ubuntu 8.04 beta. my wireless connection does not work well.  Is it a known problem?
[16:08] <Scunizi> daning, I'm no wireless expert.. but it MIGHT be a known problem for certain wireless adaptors.. certainly not all.
[16:09] <daning> Scunizi: Is there a solution for this problem?
[16:09] <didy> im using manual partitioning now on installation, have 30gb unallocated space. i tried to create new partitions for "/" "/swap" "/home" right? when i create 10gb and mount to /home... after it says remaining disk unsable
[16:10] <Scunizi> daning, to get an answer to a problem like this you have to be more specific.. like "I have a <insert chipset type> wireless adaptor and it doesn't seem to work.. anyone know how to get <spicific name/model/chipset> working in ubuntu?"
[16:10] <didy> someone help plz
[16:10] <didy> im using manual partitioning now on installation, have 30gb unallocated space. i tried to create new partitions for "/" "/swap" "/home" right? when i create 10gb and mount to /home... after it says remaining disk unsable
[16:11] <Scunizi> unsable?
[16:11] <daning> Scunizi: thx.
[16:11] <Scunizi> unstable?.... un-useable?
[16:11] <Scunizi> daning, np
[16:12] <blekos> do you know if the issues with wirelles have been resolved?
[16:12] <amortvigil> how can i see the boot proces? wasnt it something with dmesg?
[16:13] <didy> it keeps saying i have too many primary partitions!
[16:13] <blekos> how many primary do u have?
[16:13] <usser> didy, ah yes u probably have windows partition too dont u?
[16:13] <Scunizi> didy, did you read my previous post.. you can have ONLY 4 primary partition
[16:14] <didy> how do i check? i think vista/data on primary.. xp on extended/logical
[16:14] <Scunizi> didy, that's 2 primaries right there.. make a logical and install the 3 partitions you want for ubuntu in there.
[16:14] <usser> didy, just create an extended partition and allocate all your slices there
[16:15] <didy> it wont let me create logical on gparted on any partition
[16:15] <blekos> does anyone know if wireless works ?
[16:15] <usser> blekos, it depends, what adapter do u have?
[16:16] <didy> btw does installing on windows partition (WUbi) any different from installing on real partition? reduced functionality or what??
[16:16] <blekos> hmm
[16:16] <blekos> any ideas how i can see that on ubuntu?
[16:16] <Jaymac> didy: same functionality, except no hibernate or suspend (at present)
[16:17] <Jaymac> blekos: works for me
[16:17] <didy> just that right?
[16:17] <usser> blekos, lspci | grep Network
[16:17] <Jaymac> didy: it might run slightly slower, but probably not noticeably.
[16:17] <blekos> lIntel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[16:18] <legah> anyone know if the recent update of kernel etc disabled the framebuffer, as I think that is what is necessary to be able to set vga modes in grub
[16:18] <blekos> i had tried the beta just about 20 ago and did not work
[16:18] <blekos> there was a bug
[16:18] <Jaymac> blekos: I have that card, and it only worked for me after installing linux-backports
[16:18] <usser> blekos, 3945 is a bit unstable at the moment because its using a new driver in hardy, but your experience may vary, it works fine with wpa for me
[16:18] <Jaymac> blekos: they've moved from the proprietary driver to the free one
[16:18] <blekos> do u know if it will be fixed in stable version?
[16:19] <blekos> i c
[16:19] <tapas> hmm, flash stopped producing sound here after the last update
[16:19] <usser> blekos, it will most definetely will they either fix it or roll temporarily roll back to the old one
[16:21] <blekos> when you say you installed linux-backport which module did you install?
[16:22] <Nitro> name of logfile that is generated upon shutdown please.
[16:23] <inspired12> i dont get it... I installed once and no problem, then suddenly it wont boot correctly
[16:23] <Sergeant_Pony> Can Hardy connect to a network wires and wireless at the same time?
[16:23] <inspired12> it just gets stuck on this initramfs thing
[16:23] <inspired12> busybox...
[16:24] <inspired12> i am installing using wubi. it worked at first not sure why it stopped...
[16:27] <alex-weej> anyone else having problems with the kernel update today?
[16:27] <alex-weej> 24-16 is failing bad
[16:29] <inspired12> well, mine stopped working yesterday
[16:29] <inspired12> im not sure if the update is the reason
[16:31] <inspired12> any takers for the initramfs problem?
[16:32] <WGGMk> Just reinstalled with the daily build of from yesterday (amd64) and Jokey crashes every time I open it. Anyone having similar issues or a fix??
[16:33] <b3nw> yea, its hosed :p
[16:33] <WGGMk> :'( WTB NVIDIA DRIVERS + WIFI
[16:33] <b3nw> I know, feel the pain
[16:34] <b3nw> I just did a manual install for nvidia to hold me over
[16:34] <WGGMk> blasphemy
[16:34] <whysoso> how safe is it to upgrade to 8.04 beta from 7.10 on a laptop ?
[16:34] <b3nw> not safe, its a beta.
[16:34] <stefg> WGGMk: yup... hardy currently broken, it seems
[16:35] <WGGMk> stefg: everything works but jokey
[16:35] <WGGMk> err jockey
[16:35] <whysoso> i have an anoying bug with 7.10 that isn't fixed
[16:35] <whysoso> regarding the laptop fan not working after back from hibernatio
[16:35] <WGGMk> whysoso: which is?
[16:35] <stefg> WGGMk: no compiz here, and the issues with gtkjockey and stuff, X is a mess currently
[16:35] <whysoso> lots of complaints in launchpad, etc, but no real fix ...
[16:35] <WGGMk> woah, that could be an issue
[16:35] <whysoso> it only works if i disconnected and reconnect the AC adapter
[16:36] <whysoso> was wondering if 8.04 does it better :)
[16:36] <WGGMk> whysoso, well i quess you can look on the bright side that hibernate works in gutsy for you
[16:36] <whysoso> next week is RC ?
[16:36] <protonchris> WGGMk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/215027
[16:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215027 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'getSections'" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:36] <whysoso> what firefox version will be out with 8.04 final ?
[16:37] <WGGMk> ff3
[16:37] <whysoso> but isn't ff3 out only in july ?
[16:38] <WGGMk> yes
[16:38] <WGGMk> they are releasing hardy with a beta 4 version (which is pretty much at the end of beta)
[16:38] <whysoso> so it will be out with a not final version ?
[16:38] <whysoso> why release an LTS with a beta version /
[16:39] <WGGMk> ya know many people asked that and they have come up with pretty good answers
[16:39] <whysoso> heh, i guess so
[16:39] <whysoso> but it seems so strange...
[16:39] <WGGMk> LTS = Long Term Support, so by that, I would rather have a current version of Firefox thats still supported then FF2
[16:39] <whysoso> so make it ff2 for now
[16:39] <whysoso> and switch to ff3 when it's final ..
[16:39] <WGGMk> you have that option
[16:40] <inspired12> anyone have the busy box initramfs experience?
[16:41] <inspired12> hardy wont boot up, and it sends me to this initramfs thing
[16:41] <inspired12> I got nothin
[16:41] <inspired12> it was working yesterday, and then it all went south
[16:42] <whysoso> will pidgin 2.4.1 be included in 8.04?
[16:43] <WGGMk> whysoso: not to be rude, but the dev's are looking at a couple of years span, as you are looking at a couple of months. which makes it easier (more sense) to use a beta 4 FF3. There's not too much that is gonna change from beta 4 to final release
[16:43] <aguitel> i upgrade to hardy and propietaries drivers is not working
[16:43] <whysoso> WGGMk: how about stability ?
[16:44] <whysoso> or the "beta" has nothing to do with stability issues
[16:44] <inspired12> it updates pretty much automatically
[16:45] <inspired12> its not a big deal. I think its cool they are ahead of the curve in a sense
[16:45] <whysoso> you are talking to me ?
[16:45] <whysoso> my only question is are there security/stability implications in firefox being beta..
[16:46] <WGGMk> whysoso: yea i was talking to ya, i have been using Hardy for a couple of weeks. and FF3 seems to be pretty stable (not having ANY issues). But I can only speak for myself on my hardware, it could be completely different for you
[16:46] <crimsun> whysoso: 2.4.1 is already in.
[16:46] <inspired12> yeah FF3 is running well here too
[16:47] <whysoso> why not put beta 5 ?
[16:47] <inspired12> and it updates anytime a new problem is solved
[16:47] <whysoso> crimsun: thanks
[16:47] <crimsun> whysoso: 3.0b5 is already in
[16:47] <WGGMk> whysoso: you would have to read more info about everything being used in FF3. I am more interested in playing with Beta Hardy then Beta FF3. If a web browser being beta is holding you back from installing Hardy (beta) or Hardy (final) then just wait
[16:49] <inspired12> crimsun! I tried reintsalling again, an no luck. when booting from the live cd, I could not run the update-initramfs command
[16:49] <whysoso> i just wanna check if the hibernation works or not..
[16:49] <inspired12> is there anything else u could recommend?
[16:49] <WGGMk> whysoso: suspend & hibernate work for me (but they previously destroyed Gutsy)
[16:49] <whysoso> btw, using wubi has battery time implications on a laptop ?
[16:49] <crimsun> inspired12: did you install from Beta or from current daily-live?
[16:50] <inspired12> from the beta
[16:50] <inspired12> using wubi
[16:50] <crimsun> inspired12: use a current daily-live, please.
[16:50] <inspired12> and it worked originally
[16:50] <inspired12> so I should redownload the iso u mean?
[16:51] <crimsun> yes.
[16:51] <whysoso> the RC is out next week ?
[16:51] <inspired12> k, ill give that a go
[16:51] <crimsun> whysoso: approximately.
[16:51] <inspired12> thanks!
[16:52] <whysoso> aare there any major changes in the laptop field support ? like battery time ?
[16:53] <american> when oh when will the ATI graphics cards be fully supported?
[16:54] <WGGMk> protonchris: hey you linked me that launchpad for jockey didnt ya???
[16:54] <protonchris> WGGMk: Yeah.
[16:54] <VousDeux> hehe...I downloaded/installed the latest version of VMware Workstation and it fired right up.
[16:54] <WGGMk> protonchris: that fix proposed by that dude worked for me, appreciate you linking me that.. jockey is working fine now
[16:55] <protonchris> WGGMk: no problem.  They are working on an updated package.  It should be out in the next day or so.
[16:55] <WGGMk> protonchris: thanks for the info
[16:55] <whysoso> is there also support for the latest eclipse builtin ?
[16:56] <whysoso> 3.3
[16:56] <whysoso> !info eclipse
[16:56] <ubotu> eclipse (source: eclipse): Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.2-5ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 126 kB, installed size 416 kB
[16:56] <whysoso> !info pidgin
[16:56] <ubotu> pidgin (source: pidgin): graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.4.1-1ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 505 kB, installed size 1856 kB
[16:56] <makdaknife> hi... does vmware server run okay on hardy?
[16:56] <whysoso> !info firefox
[16:56] <ubotu> firefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 62 kB, installed size 120 kB
[16:56] <whysoso> no eclipse 3.3 :(
[16:58] <b3nw> makdaknife - I have vmware workstation 6.5 beta working like a charm, duno about server
[16:59] <whysoso> why not move to virtualbox ?
[17:00] <b3nw> first i've heard of it
[17:01] <makdaknife> b3nw: I just noticed a webpage from some months back that claimed there were some issues with kernel version and vmware server... was wondering if it had been resolved
[17:01] <makdaknife> whysoso: virtualbox is great for workstation stuff... but its a bit of a mare to manage remotely if you want to virtualise a server
[17:02] <whysoso> it has remote RDP :)
[17:03] <whysoso> Workstation 6.5 virtual machine now support applications that use DirectX 9 accelerated graphics with shaders up through Shader Model 2.0 on Windows XP guests.
[17:03] <whysoso> very nice !
[17:03] <b3nw> it also recompiles the modules for you on the fly after kernel update
[17:03] <b3nw> all gui
[17:03] <whysoso> For Microsoft Virtual PC and Microsoft Virtual Server virtual machines, you now have the option of sharing the source virtual hard disk (.vhd) files.
[17:04] <WGGMk> protonchris:
[17:04] <WGGMk> me love you long time!
[17:06] <alex-weej> ahhh managed to get kernel 24-15's headers off an old mirror yay
[17:06] <alex-weej> i can build my wifi driver again *g*
[17:07] <cvd-pr> Any way to delete all things to an old user?
[17:08] <protonchris> cvd-pr: remove the users home directory
[17:08] <WGGMk> cvd-pr: as in the home directory?
[17:08] <hyperair> can someone look into bug #185854
[17:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185854 in gnome-system-tools "Setting static IP in Network Settings doesn't produce correct data" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185854
[17:08] <hyperair> it's high, it's confirmed, but there doesn't seem to be any visible activity about it other than that the bug is confirmed
[17:08] <syke> last night my kernel upgraded to 2.6.24-16, but X is now horked and kdm doesn't come up
[17:09] <syke> anyone else see this problem?
[17:09] <cvd-pr> Cuz i copy the old /home to the new /Home and sometimes ubuntu or nautilus say 'cant not fins od user'
[17:09] <cvd-pr> find
[17:09] <syke> I have to boot back into the -15 kernel to be able to login at all
[17:10] <Lynoure> syke: I've heard the kernel upgrade caused problems to some nvidia proprietary driver users
[17:10] <protonchris> syke: what version of linux-ubuntu-modules do you have installed?
[17:10] <hyperair> syke: what graphic driver
[17:10] <syke> nvidia
[17:10] <hyperair> syke: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx
[17:10] <hyperair> check your version
[17:11] <syke> nvidia-glx:
[17:11] <syke>   Installed: (none)
[17:11] <syke>   Candidate: 1:96.43.05+2.6.24.12-16.34
[17:11] <syke>   Version table:
[17:11] <syke>      1:96.43.05+2.6.24.12-16.34 0
[17:11] <hyperair> hmm
[17:11] <hyperair> nvidia-glx-new then
[17:11] <hyperair> please just copy the version instaled
[17:11] <hyperair> "installed: "
[17:11] <hyperair> not the whole output
[17:11] <syke>   Installed: 169.12+2.6.24.12-16.34
[17:11] <hyperair> apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new
[17:12] <hyperair> hmm... seems to be correct
[17:12] <hyperair> =\
[17:12] <syke> yea
[17:12] <syke> what's weird to me is even the tty0 is inaccessible
[17:13] <syke> ctrl+alt+f1 takes me to tty0, but a login prompt never appears
[17:13] <hyperair> what?
[17:13] <hyperair> black screen?
[17:13] <hyperair> blargh
[17:13] <syke> there's some text from the boot process, but no interaction possible
[17:13] <protonchris> syke: Does the startup get hung up when it is trying to load modules?
[17:13] <hyperair> they messed up fbcon and vesafb again
[17:13] <hyperair> >=(
[17:14] <syke> protonchris: no idea. I can login from my desktop machine, reboot this laptop into the -16 kernel and tell you what's going on exactly
[17:14] <syke> just wanted to check to see if it was a known issue, first
[17:16] <aNOOBisa> hi can anybody help me with an audio streaming problem?
[17:18] <hyperair> what kind of audio streaming problem?
[17:18] <aNOOBisa> hi hyperair
[17:18] <aNOOBisa> I am not getting any sound on  my icecast server
[17:18] <hyperair> what's icecast
[17:19] <unstable> join #icecast
[17:19] <aNOOBisa> unstable that is where I am going at the moment but it seems its an audio problem from my source system
[17:20] <aNOOBisa> I get a perfect connection to icecast but there is just no sound no bytes transfered
[17:21] <unstable> aNOOBisa: are all the levels on alsamixer up, and nothing is muted with "MM"?
[17:22] <unstable> If it's like that, try running alsaconf
[17:22] <aNOOBisa> let me check
[17:23] <robc4> anyone here running Hardy Server?
[17:23] <aNOOBisa> all levels are up and not muted
[17:27] <Sergeant_Pony> Can Hardy connect to a network wires and wireless at the same time?
[17:27] <hyperair> yes
[17:27] <Sergeant_Pony> it can?
[17:27] <hyperair> yes it can
[17:27] <Luckrider> I haven't had it work, how do you do that?
[17:27] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm... when I connect wireless it disconnects my wired conection
[17:27] <Luckrider> same here
[17:27] <hyperair> wait
[17:28] <hyperair> your'e using networkmanager to connect right?
[17:28] <hyperair> like the tray icon thing?
[17:28] <Luckrider> yes...
[17:28] <hyperair> hmm
[17:28] <Sergeant_Pony> yup
[17:28] <hyperair> i don't think it's possible with that
[17:28] <hyperair> but using the manual network configuration it's certainly possible
[17:28] <Luckrider> how do you do it then?
[17:28] <Sergeant_Pony> it should be
[17:28] <Luckrider> oh
[17:28] <Lynoure> I vaguely think my kubuntu networkmanager has sometimes been in both, but not 100% sure
[17:28] <hyperair> but _once_ bug  #185854 is fixed
[17:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185854 in gnome-system-tools "Setting static IP in Network Settings doesn't produce correct data" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185854
[17:28] <Luckrider> that is a pain to bother with, I am to lazy to do that
[17:29] <hyperair> it's not really
[17:29] <hyperair> just tick the checkboxes
[17:29] <Luckrider> !bugs
[17:29] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[17:29] <Sergeant_Pony> with a checkmark or dash?
[17:30] <hyperair> checkmark
[17:30] <hyperair> if need be just go into configuration
[17:30] <Sergeant_Pony> if your setup like I am for roaming it won't take a checkmark
[17:30] <Sergeant_Pony> network settings
[17:31] <hyperair> okay
[17:31] <hyperair> click on it
[17:31] <hyperair> click properties
[17:31] <hyperair> and uh
[17:31] <hyperair> disable roaming mode
[17:31] <hyperair> and select DHCP
[17:32] <Sergeant_Pony> I connect to 2 different networks 1 at home and 1 at work... so I need to be in roaming mode
[17:33] <Sergeant_Pony> otherwise I would have to have a profile for each location
[17:33] <Sergeant_Pony> correct?
[17:33] <hyperair> i see
[17:33] <hyperair> wait
[17:33] <hyperair> not really
[17:33] <hyperair> your wired connection...
[17:34] <hyperair> if you connect only through n-m, then DHCP for both would be fine
[17:34] <Sergeant_Pony> I'll give it a shot...
[17:34] <hyperair> in that case roaming for wireless, but not roaming for wired would be fine
[17:34] <hyperair> then n-m will handle wireless
[17:34] <hyperair> but not wired
[17:36] <Sergeant_Pony> ok.. it worked.. I'm on both now
[17:36] <hyperair> ah
[17:36] <hyperair> that's nice
[17:36] <hyperair> wait
[17:36] <hyperair> please pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file
[17:36] <Sergeant_Pony> me?
[17:36] <hyperair> yes
[17:36] <Sergeant_Pony> ok, 1 sec
[17:36] <hyperair> thanks
[17:37] <Luckrider> does anyone have a link for Login Window themes?
[17:37] <hyperair> www.gnome-look.org
[17:37] <hyperair> it's got everything
[17:37] <hyperair> gtk
[17:37] <hyperair> wallpapers
[17:37] <hyperair> screenlets
[17:37] <Luckrider> !pastebin Sergeant_Pony
[17:37] <hyperair> login window
[17:37] <vita_> hey guys how come when I am trying to update 8.04 I get6 that I can't install all updates
[17:37] <Luckrider> thanks Hyperair
[17:38] <hyperair> vita_: what is the method you're trying?
[17:38] <Luckrider> I think that is the site that I used for fiesty
[17:38] <vita_> use using update manager
[17:38] <hyperair> like sudo "update-manager -d"?
[17:38] <vita_> no the gui
[17:39] <sailaway85> hi
[17:39] <hyperair> vita_ did you touch your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[17:39] <vita_> no
[17:39] <vita_> here is what I get
[17:39] <vita_> http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotupdatemanagerfl6.png
[17:40] <hyperair> hmmmmmm
[17:40] <hyperair> wait
[17:40] <hyperair> how far have you gone with the upgrade?
[17:40] <vita_> here is my source.liss
[17:40] <vita_> list
[17:40] <vita_> http://pastie.caboo.se/179691
[17:40] <vita_> I have been updating since beta
[17:41] <vita_> I am getting this on two machine i use
[17:41] <vita_> that both have been runing hardy since beta
[17:41] <bullgard4> Is there a Hardy minimal CD available yet?
[17:42] <bullgard4> Is there a Hardy minimal CD image available yet?
[17:42] <sailaway85> Have a ati rad 2600hd card... wouldnt run most systems, only suse and ubuntu 4. Finally after a month of stable operation
[17:43] <Keule> hi there
[17:43] <Keule> does anybody having a problem after the last update?
[17:44] <Keule> jockey-gtk crashes
[17:44] <hyperair> what problem?
[17:44] <hyperair> uh
[17:44] <hyperair> O_o
[17:44] <hyperair> eheheh i disabled jockey-gtk from starting up
[17:44] <hyperair> looong ago
[17:44] <sailaway85> I had a crash last thur nite with new upgrades, but managed to get jockey fixed. Now I need help to get ati driver installed, without reinstalling the whole system..
[17:44] <Keule> i have nvidia
[17:44] <hyperair> um use jockey?
[17:45] <Keule> i cannot start restricted hardware blabla from graphical interface
[17:45] <Keule> sorry i cannot explain
[17:45] <hyperair> ><
[17:46] <sailaway85> hyperair I'm too green to know this. But Ill never go back to windows.
[17:46] <Keule> when i start it with the terminal... recongigure xserver-xorg - than i cant edit the graphical part - only the keyboard
[17:46] <hyperair> sailaway85: run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and "sudo apt-get install -f"
[17:47] <sailaway85> Is there a stable driver for my ati card.. I can install from term iif I have to
[17:47] <hyperair> try opening restricted driver manager
[17:47] <hyperair> i've no exp with ati cards sorry
[17:47] <Keule> hyperair: i did﻿ sudo dpkg --configure -a but i was scared of all the options... - im not the crack...
[17:47] <didy> how do i automount my ntfs partitions with full read/write permission everytime i start ubuntu??
[17:48] <hyperair> Keule: what happened when you ran the command?
[17:48] <sailaway85> hyperair How do I rebbot if this crashes my system again
[17:48] <DanaG> aptitude is better with dependencies.
[17:48] <Keule> the configure started
[17:49] <DanaG> apt-get install -f isn't as good.
[17:49] <hyperair> didy: install pysdm and then use "storage device manager" to configure
[17:49] <glaxo> on hardy heron when doing an update / checking sources the following is received - "could not download all repository indexes" see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62950/ for more details
[17:49] <hyperair> sailaway85: what do you mean by crash your system? it won't go down that easily..
[17:49] <Keule> when i start jockey-gtk from the terminal i get this one http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/175630/
[17:50] <b3nw> Keule - see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/215027
[17:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215027 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'getSections'" [Undecided,Fix released]
[17:50] <sailaway85> hyperair I get blank screen or graphics with no text.
[17:50] <hyperair> glaxo: please post your /etc/apt/sources.list in pastebin.com and post the link here
[17:50] <stefg> glaxo: no security-updates for hardy now... it's still beta, so you can safely ignore that until release
[17:50] <hyperair> sailaway85: like a command prompt?
[17:51] <glaxo> many thanks
[17:51] <Keule> ubotu: is that a fix or a howto that may work.. :) ?
[17:51] <b3nw> both
[17:52] <Keule> ok thanx i'll try
[17:52] <stefg> Keule: ubotu is the channel bot, and it's a known issue
[17:52] <sailaway85> ubotu I had the jockey prob too .. your advice worked
[17:52] <Keule> thx i saw it :) he answert me
[17:52] <Keule> hehe sometimes bots are better than real channel-users :D
[17:53] <Keule> sometimes....
[17:53] <stefg> always!
[17:53] <IdleOne> !botsnack
[17:53] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[17:53] <Keule> thx guys!
[17:53] <sailaway85> hyper no a blank screen one time and a a blank with title bars but no text
[17:54] <Raspberry> anybody else testing MythTV on Hardy?
[17:55] <darthanubis> yes
[17:55] <darthanubis> #ubuntu-mythtv
[17:55] <hyperair> sailaway85: sorry this probably is an ati specific issue, so i don't know
[17:56] <darthanubis> Raspberry, join that channel
[17:56] <bullgard4> Is there a Hardy minimal CD image available yet?
[17:56] <IdleOne> !minimal
[17:56] <sailaway85> hyperair: I can live without 3d, the spped gain over windows makes up for it.
[17:56] <IdleOne> bullgard4: check ubuntu.com/testing
[17:56] <darthanubis> its called the server cd
[17:56] <darthanubis> bullgard4, server cd
[17:57] <ubotu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:57] <Keule> b3nw after the change - just reboot? or new logon?
[17:57] <darthanubis> or alt. cd
[17:57] <sailaway85> Is there zip/rar program i can use in graphics?
[17:57] <orkun> hey there - since last upgrade(everything clean upgraded as of now) emerald will not work anymore. i can either use compiz without window manager but including awn or use metacity(without the compiz stuff including awn) - what can i do?
[17:57] <Keule> thx i
[17:57] <darthanubis> sailaway85, rephrase?
[17:58] <hyperair> orkun: install compiz-gnome
[17:58] <orkun> when i start "emerald --replace" i get a blank line and nothing happens
[17:58] <hyperair> orkun: gtk-window-decorator --replace
[17:58] <Raspberry> darthanubis: so why did I join #ubuntu-mythtv to get told to file a bug report?
[17:58] <orkun> let me try
[17:58] <darthanubis> Raspberry, to be in the appropriate channel?
[17:58] <orkun> installing compiz-gnome thanks for that
[17:59] <Raspberry> darthanubis: seems like a waste of everybody's time
[17:59] <darthanubis> whatever
[17:59] <sailaway85> 7zip is command line on, Is there a program I can use on the desktop gnome
[17:59] <darthanubis> I still don't see a particular question
[17:59] <hyperair> sailaway85: installing 7zip gives support for 7z archives in GNOME's default archive manager
[18:00] <darthanubis> no reason to be pissy about the assist
[18:00] <darthanubis> sailaway85, plenty, search apt
[18:00] <darthanubis> sailaway85, squeeze comes to mind
[18:01] <tomd123> so I was prompted to do a distribution upgrade on 8.04beta (just installed), is this normal, usually I would just receive the update manager complaints.
[18:01] <iMatter> How can i stop FF3 from saying this:"$Plugin Name" will not be installed because it does not provide secure updates
[18:02] <iMatter> if i dont install it from firefox site and instead download it then open with firefox it gives me that
[18:02] <tomd123> so did anyone else get the distribution upgrade in 8.04beta?
[18:03] <sailaway85> Sorry but Im new o ubuntu (1 month)  default archive manager?
[18:03] <hyperair> iMatter: wait a sec. i saw a method to do that before.. somewhere in about:config
[18:04] <iMatter> Ok
[18:04] <darthanubis> sailaway85, look in the menu under accessories
[18:04] <didy> ubuntu rocks!!!
[18:04] <darthanubis> sailaway85, it will clearly say, "archive manager"
[18:04] <hyperair> iMatter: go to about:config, add a boolean value "false".. name is "extensions.checkUpdateSecurity
[18:04] <hyperair> "
[18:04] <hyperair> sailaway85: just double click on a 7zip file
[18:04] <iMatter> im not really good with about:config...
[18:05] <iMatter> i wouldnt know how to add one...
[18:05] <hyperair> iMatter: okay i'll guide you through..
[18:05] <hyperair> iMatter: first go to the location bar. type "about:config"
[18:05] <iMatter> Im that far :P
[18:05] <hyperair> iMatter: you should get something like "be careful this gun is loaded"
[18:05] <iMatter> yea i got that
[18:05] <hyperair> click okay i'll be careful
[18:05] <hyperair> or something
[18:05] <iMatter> did it
[18:05] <hyperair> okay
[18:05] <hyperair> in the filter
[18:06] <hyperair> type "extensions.checkUpdateSecurity"
[18:06] <hyperair> dyou see anything?
[18:06] <iMatter> no
[18:06] <hyperair> okay
[18:06] <hyperair> now
[18:06] <sailaway85> hpyerair: archiver doesnt show 7zzip in it
[18:06] <hyperair> right click in the blank space
[18:06] <iMatter> ok
[18:06] <hyperair> iMatter: click new->boolean
[18:07] <hyperair> preference name: extensions.checkUpdateSecurity
[18:07] <iMatter> done
[18:07] <hyperair> okay
[18:07] <bullgard4> IdleOne, darthanubis :  Thank you for your information.
[18:07] <hyperair> um
[18:07] <hyperair> what dyou see now?
[18:08] <iMatter> Enter boolean value
[18:08] <darthanubis> bullgard4, your welcome! :)
[18:08] <iMatter> false or true
[18:08] <hyperair> ah
[18:08] <hyperair> false
[18:08] <hyperair> select false
[18:08] <sailaway85> hyperair: archiver doesnt show 7zzip in it
[18:08] <hyperair> sailaway85: um try restarting? i'm not really sure. mine shows
[18:08] <darthanubis> sailaway85, you will have to install it
[18:08] <hyperair> sailaway85: have you installed p7zip-full?
[18:08] <iMatter> Ok did that
[18:09] <iMatter> thats all?
[18:09] <darthanubis> apt-cache search p7zip
[18:09] <sailaway85> darthanubis: I have installed it..
[18:09] <darthanubis> p7zip-full - 7z and 7za file archivers with high compression ratio
[18:09] <darthanubis> I doubt you have to reboot
[18:09] <hyperair> iMatter: i'm not sure if you have to restart firefox.
[18:09] <sailaway85> Thank to all ... I try
[18:09] <hyperair> iMatter: restart just to be safe. then try
[18:09] <darthanubis> gl
[18:10] <iMatter> its there now ok restarting it
[18:11] <iMatter> hyperair: got same error again..
[18:11] <valehru> Hey guys, I remember applying something to make gutsy resume from a suspend, however it seems to be completely broken now. Need to restart the computer after a suspend now in Heron. Any ideas?
[18:12] <sailaway85> 7zip full is installed, and the archiver is xarchiver. Get error when trying to decompress a rar file.
[18:12] <hyperair> iMatter: does your about:config show extensions.checkUpdateSecurity to be user set boolean, false?
[18:13] <hyperair> sailaway85: try using archive manager, gnome's one.
[18:13] <iMatter> Yea
[18:14] <hyperair> iMatter: eh hmm @_@ let me google it
[18:14] <Keule> is it possible to say an app - that there should be only one instance? for example.. skype ?
[18:14] <sailaway85> hyperair: by deinstalling xarchiver only?  .. what should be installed?
[18:16] <darthanubis> sailaway85, p7zip-rar - non-free rar module for p7zip
[18:16] <darthanubis> use synaptic
[18:16] <darthanubis> enable mutilverse and universe repositories
[18:16] <darthanubis> !repositories
[18:16] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[18:16] <hyperair> sailaway85: just go to applications->accessories->archive manager
[18:17] <didy> ﻿once again whats the url for ntfs???
[18:17] <syke> hi
[18:17] <iMatter> hyperair: It worked.....after i made the same value just backspaced the first letter so it filled the entire thing without a space
[18:17] <syke> so, here's what happens
[18:18] <iMatter> the prefrence name was Two spaces infront of the normal place
[18:18] <syke> after last night's kernel update, boot up tries to start X
[18:18] <hyperair> iMatter: could you do the same for extensions.checkCompatibility
[18:18] <hyperair> iMatter: set it to false also
[18:18] <sailaway85> hyperair: dont have archive manager just xarchiver?
[18:18] <syke> but i get a gnome-looking dialog that says "cannot launch graphical configuration tool because displayconfig-gtk is not installed. Sorry, without this tool installed you must manually configure Xorg."
[18:18] <Pirate_Hunter> can opera browser be run in hardy if so how as it is not in synaptic?
[18:19] <syke> no idea why I would be getting this dialog, but this appears to be the crux of the issue
[18:19] <syke> no idea why it's a gnome dialog when I'm using kubuntu, either
[18:19] <iMatter> hyperair: isnt there a plugin so you can use older firefox plugins?
[18:19] <hyperair> iMatter: yes there is. look for nightly tester tools
[18:20] <hyperair> iMatter: i use that so i can use trunk and still use my plugins
[18:20] <darthanubis> Pirate_Hunter, check Opera's site?
[18:20] <hyperair> sailaway85: just double click on a archive
[18:20] <hyperair> s/a/an
[18:20] <syke> hyperair: any ideas?
[18:20] <hyperair> sailaway85: or right click on a group of files, right click, create archive, and choose 7z
[18:20] <hyperair> syke: sudo apt-get install displayconfig-ggtk
[18:21] <hyperair> whoops
[18:21] <iMatter> hyperair: that other prefrence is already set to false
[18:21] <hyperair> syke: sudo apt-get install displayconfig-gtk
[18:21] <Pirate_Hunter> darthanubis: will do so but the one they had last was for gutsy, since its a deb it should still work in hardy... I think but the prob is that it is for gutsy and not hardy
[18:21] <syke> why does it need this package at all?
[18:21] <hti_pro> any exciting bugs currently devastating hardy beta??
[18:21] <tiax> Hi, is there no debootstrap script for hardy yet?
[18:21] <hyperair> iMatter: well you should install nightly tester tools, it gives you a button to make all your extensions "compatible"
[18:21] <syke> it's only after last night's update that this is happening, and it doesn't make sense that i would need a gtk app on ths kubuntu system
[18:21] <darthanubis> Pirate_Hunter, generally, there is no issue there
[18:21] <quentusrex_> What is volumeid, and do I need it?
[18:21] <hyperair> hti_pro: bug #185854
[18:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185854 in gnome-system-tools "Setting static IP in Network Settings doesn't produce correct data" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185854
[18:21] <iMatter> hyper
[18:21] <hyperair> syke: whooooops?
[18:22] <quentusrex_> My system wants to do a partial upgrade, and it'll give me the new kernel but remove volumeid.
[18:22] <hyperair> syke: i'm not sure really. i've only ever used gnome
[18:22] <syke> should I chekc in #ubuntu-devel?
[18:22] <hyperair> syke: as my primary i mean
[18:22] <Pirate_Hunter> darthanubis: ok just making sure but it wouldnt be the first time installing gutsy .deb programs on hardy
[18:22] <hyperair> syke: #ubuntu-devel isn't a support channel
[18:22] <sailaway85> I get error "archive type not supported" and 7zip is installed
[18:22] <syke> yes, but they were helpful when there was no recourse in this channel
[18:23] <hti_pro> hyperair: is that the only one
[18:23] <darthanubis> Pirate_Hunter, you could always use their static "other" .deb
[18:23] <hyperair> syke: you can try then, but it's kinda quiet there at the moment. =\
[18:23] <darthanubis> you know, generic
[18:23] <hyperair> hti_pro: i'm sure there are others, but that's the one i'm most annoyed about
[18:23] <hti_pro> hyperair: i wouldnt call that devastating but still very informative, I guess if i was a newb i should be worried
[18:24] <didy> ﻿what's the best universal best of all codec for ubuntu??
[18:24] <Pirate_Hunter> darthanubis: huh? static .deb 0_o where do i find that?
[18:24] <hti_pro> hyperair: you can just add the <if> auto line back in right?
[18:24] <hyperair> hti_pro: i find it devastating that i can't use gnome network config utility without diving into the terminal and editing the fscked /etc/network/interfaces file myself
[18:24] <hyperair> hti_pro: "auto <ifname>"
[18:24] <darthanubis> Pirate_Hunter, on the same Opera site where you find the Ubuntu package, look
[18:24] <quentusrex_> Does anyone know if volumeid is still needed???
[18:24] <didy> ﻿what's the best universal best of all codec for ubuntu??
[18:25] <hti_pro> hyperair: oh, I use dhcp anyway, so not much of an issue with me
[18:25] <sailaway85> hyperair: I get error "archive type not supported" and 7zip is installed
[18:25] <hyperair> quentusrex_: it got apt-get autoremove'd the other day so i think not
[18:25] <Pirate_Hunter> darthanubis: oh yeha i have its already installed the latest for gutsy
[18:25] <hyperair> hti_pro: it happens to dhcp users too
[18:25] <hyperair> hti_pro: unless you leave it to "roaming mode" and let networkmanager handle your network
[18:26] <hti_pro> hyperair: getting ready to du an update but don't have a lot of time to work bugs out right now, If i leave my hardy mythtv box unusable my wife will have my testicles for dinner,  not the nice way
[18:26] <darthanubis> Pirate_Hunter, I did not say anything about Gutsy
[18:26] <darthanubis> I said static
[18:26] <hyperair> sailaway85: dyou have p7zip-full?
[18:26] <hyperair> hti_pro: i hope for your sake there are no young kids in this channel
[18:27] <darthanubis>  Static QT package
[18:27] <hti_pro> i apologize to everyone, I should watch my language
[18:27] <hyperair> heheheh
[18:27] <darthanubis> hti_pro, goto #ubuntu-mythtv
[18:27] <darthanubis> if you have not aalready
[18:27] <hti_pro> darthanubis: they are not too up for talking about hardy issues
[18:28] <darthanubis> they are fine with hardy mythtv most certainly
[18:28] <quentusrex_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev
[18:28] <quentusrex_> volumeid removal is intentional
[18:28] <hti_pro> i get verbally assaulted for using a beta system
[18:28] <Pirate_Hunter> darthanubis: kk you said install ubuntu static .deb i know
[18:28] <hti_pro> that is if anyone even talks
[18:28] <sailaway85> hyperair: yes 7zip full (just checked)
[18:29] <hti_pro> but i will try again
[18:29] <hyperair> sailaway85: and you tried create archive and chose 7z?
[18:29] <hyperair> quentusrex_: if it was intentional then it isn't needed =D
[18:30] <sailaway85> hyperair: no just unpack an archive
[18:30] <quentusrex_> hyperair, volumeid was merged into udev
[18:30] <hyperair> sailaway85: right click, properties. see what file type it is?
[18:30] <tylerflick> I was told to go here for the issues with the ati driver crash on hardy
[18:30] <quentusrex_> so the old volumeid package is repetative.
[18:31] <hyperair> quentusrex_: whoops?
[18:31] <Fritzel`> kfind-kde4 just went up on the repo, I have kfind for kde3 installed yet it's not saying it'll uninstall it, should I uninstall it before letting the update run?
[18:31] <hyperair> Fritzel: noneed
[18:31] <hyperair> Fritzel: kde4 and kde3 can coexist
[18:31] <Keule> can someone tell me what about gnome... i heard that QT and KDE should be standard and gnome dies...
[18:31] <Fritzel`> ok just making sure it wouldn't step on toes
[18:32] <hti_pro> is there a summary page on launchpad listing current hardy bugs
[18:32] <darthanubis> Keule, huh?
[18:32] <hyperair> Keule: i like GNOME
[18:32] <hyperair> hti_pro: ubuntu bugs yes, but not hardy bugs
[18:33] <Keule> me too but i heard it - so i wanted to ask the developers
[18:33] <darthanubis> heard what?
[18:33] <darthanubis> from where?
[18:33] <sailaway85> hyperair: says format not supported
[18:33] <hyperair> Keule: imo GNOME is here to stay and won't die off anytime soon. so is KDE
[18:33] <darthanubis> nothing is dying
[18:34] <hyperair> sailaway85: right click on the archive and click properties!
[18:34] <clarezoe> My firefox crashes when I print a webpage to a pdf file, I've asked help from mozilla, but one said I need to ask ubuntu first. I'm using ff3.0b5
[18:34] <darthanubis> especially not the two main DEs
[18:34] <sailaway85> hyperair: no reference to 7zip in dialog
[18:34] <hyperair> sailaway85: screenshot it and upload to somewhere... say http://imageshack.us
[18:34] <darthanubis> clarezoe, search google to see if there is a bug on the issue, if not, file one
[18:35] <Keule> hyperair:  i dont get you in the detail... gnome and kde will be developed in parallel....?
[18:35] <darthanubis> !gnome
[18:35] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[18:35] <darthanubis> !kde|Keule
[18:35] <ubotu> Keule: KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[18:35] <hyperair> Keule: yes that is right
[18:36] <Keule> thx
[18:36] <hyperair> Keule: GNOME and KDE are two separate projects
[18:36] <hyperair> Keule: they will be developed separately, coexist on any given system, and both are here to stay
[18:36] <Keule> yes yes - so QT does not have any effect.. cause its for all the plattforms (win, linux)
[18:36] <Keule> sorry for my bad english
[18:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> both are good choices, it's entirely up to your own personal preference which one you use, however it should be noted that the ubuntu project is more geared toward gnome and is more integrated at this point, though that may change
[18:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> QT is just a graphics toolkit like GTK
[18:37] <darthanubis> Linux, is not dependent on QT
[18:37] <Keule> sure sure
[18:37] <Keule> yes yes i understand
[18:37] <Keule> thx
[18:38] <hyperair> qt is to kde as gtk is to gnome
[18:39] <hyperair> hti_pro: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=hardy&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[18:39] <clarezoe> darthanubis, I founda bug#203019, but no solution yet, it's ff3b4, should I report a new one?
[18:39] <hyperair> ubuntu hardy has ff3b5
[18:39] <darthanubis> clarezoe, nah, I'd just comment to that one
[18:40] <hyperair> what's the bug anyway?
[18:40] <hyperair> bug #203019
[18:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203019 in xulrunner-1.9 "Firefox crashes on trying to print" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203019
[18:40] <darthanubis> clarezoe, obviously mention your using ffb5
[18:40] <hti_pro> thanks hyperair
[18:40] <hyperair> hti_pro: np
[18:41] <clarezoe> darthanubis, sure, hope it will be debugged soon
[18:41] <darthanubis> clarezoe, I'm sure it will
[18:41] <clarezoe> darthanubis, crossing my figures :)
[18:41] <darthanubis> ;)
[18:42] <bertje> Ok I did an update yesterday and now my pc wont boot anymore .... I have a dual boot and when I choose with grub an version with the kernel version *.14 it boots 15 en 16 just hangs ... before update 15 worked dfine ...
[18:42] <symptom> anyone know how to configure dual monitors with hardy?
[18:43] <darthanubis> bertje, it may be booting, but not getting anything on the monitor, thats happened to me
[18:43] <hyperair> symptom: use the gui
[18:43] <darthanubis> bertje, just revert back to the working kernel, until another kernel comes out
[18:43] <syke> symptom: use your graphics card's own control panel
[18:43] <bertje> i get the ubuntu "loading" screen and the loading bar just hangs
[18:43] <syke> ATI contorl panel for ATI, nvidia control panel for nvidia
[18:43] <hyperair> symptom: there's a displayconfig-gtk also..
[18:44] <hyperair> system->administration->screens & Graphics
[18:44] <symptom> syke, gutsy offered an ubuntu specific utility, but now its new and not recognizing my other monitor in hardy
[18:44] <bertje> with reverting you mean just start the older versions ? and wait with updating again until a newer comes out
[18:44] <darthanubis> yes
[18:44] <T1m0thy> I hate that GUI.
[18:44] <hyperair> symptom: now its new? what dyou mean new
[18:44] <syke> symptom: Mark Shuttleworth himself told me to use the native control panel for the gfx card
[18:44] <bertje> I don't have to uninstall things or so ?
[18:44] <darthanubis> no
[18:44] <hyperair> lol
[18:45] <symptom> hyperair, there is a new one for hardy as apposed to gutsy
[18:45] <symptom> opposed*
[18:45] <hyperair> symptom: are you sure? looked the same to me
[18:45] <hyperair> wait
[18:45] <hyperair> scrap that
[18:45] <hyperair> i can't find it anymore
[18:45] <hyperair> where is it?
[18:45] <darthanubis> bertje, thats why its wise to keep at least an extra working kernel arround, like you have done:)
[18:46] <symptom> hyperair, haha... check under screen resolution
[18:46] <hyperair> EH?!!!
[18:46]  * hyperair stares blankly
[18:46] <hyperair> it..it..changed!
[18:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> it got nice :)
[18:48] <symptom> yea
[18:48] <symptom> and its not recognizing my other monitor when i detect displays
[18:48] <symptom> but i used to use the natiive
[18:48] <symptom> one anyway
[18:48] <hyperair> symptom: now isn't that nice? blargh
[18:49] <symptom> it is TOO simple
[18:49] <hyperair> well just use the native one then
[18:49] <symptom> i dont like
[18:49] <hyperair> yeah
[18:49] <symptom> i need complicated
[18:49] <hyperair> too darned simple
[18:49] <symptom> im confortable with complicated
[18:49] <symptom> comfortable
[18:49] <Clinteger> hey
[18:49] <hyperair> it doesn't even allow you to select your driver
[18:49] <hyperair> totally wtf ><
[18:49] <symptom> damn... not comfortable with spelling however
[18:49] <TehUni> i have a dell Poweredge 2900 w/ SAS 6i hardware raid 1. I'm also using mdadm for raid5 (controller doesn't support raid 5). I can boot w/ my raid1 array, but as soon as I plug in my other drives, it refuses to boot (hangs at usb controller detection). where should i start for troubleshooting
[18:49] <symptom> im gonna reinstall nvidia-settings
[18:49] <symptom> syke, i should use nvidia-settings right?
[18:50] <Clinteger> I've downloaded Hardy, but I'm wondering how I can convert this iso to a DVD iso so I can burn it to a DVD+RW. This seems rather trivial, but when I burnt it previously using ImgBurn [i'm on XP], it didn't seem to burn the boot data.
[18:51] <syke> symptom: yes, but make sure you're using the right one for your nvidia driver
[18:51] <symptom> right one what?
[18:51] <hyperair> no
[18:51] <hyperair> nvidia-settings is fine
[18:51] <Clinteger> anyone know what to do?
[18:51] <hyperair> it's the same for all nvidia drivers
[18:51] <hyperair> Clinteger: just download the DVD ISO and burn it straight
[18:52] <Clinteger> oh theres a dvdiso lmao
[18:52] <hyperair> Clinteger: no tinkering needed
[18:52] <hyperair> Clinteger: lmao
[18:52] <Clinteger> well now I feel stupid haha
[18:52] <hyperair> =p
[18:52] <os2mac> Well you ARE on XP ! ;)
[18:53] <Clinteger> lol
[18:53] <Clinteger> only because linux fails on this HP
[18:53] <os2mac> sorry dude...saw the shot and had to take it.
[18:53] <Clinteger> heh
[18:53] <Clinteger> hyperair wheres this DVD ISO?
[18:54] <hyperair> Clinteger: i'm not sure if beta releases have it
[18:54] <Clinteger> i can't find it for other release either :p
[18:54] <rpedro> please,  can someone do a this test for me (WARNING: this could log you off abruptly): running compiz, start transmission, pick a torrent and open the details, got to 'peers' tab, resize the '%' column or any column should do. that should the dialogue resize too, which for a bug in compiz crashes my session and takes me to the login screen.
[18:54] <xtknight> Clinteger, where here's a dvd daily http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[18:54] <Clinteger> oh. it seems to be only a daily build
[18:55] <xtknight> nah some other dvds for releases as well
[18:55] <Clinteger> yeah saw that too
[18:55] <Clinteger> which one's the latest beta using?
[18:55] <xtknight> daily is newer than the latest btea
[18:55] <hyperair> Clinteger: it doesn't matter which build you get, it'll just update itself to the daily anyway
[18:55] <Clinteger> yeah, thought so.
[18:55] <Clinteger> oh.
[18:55] <Clinteger> okay then lol
[18:55] <xtknight> dailies this week should be reliable
[18:55] <xtknight> we're almost at RC
[18:55] <hyperair> 12 days to final you mean
[18:56] <Clinteger> yeah heh
[18:56] <hyperair> and they _still_ haven't fixed bug #185854
[18:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185854 in gnome-system-tools "Setting static IP in Network Settings doesn't produce correct data" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185854
[18:57] <hyperair> pffft
[18:59] <VousDeux> I wonder if it would be possible to have my Kubuntu laptop act as a controller for Active Directory via ssh, so that I could direct my virtual machines to authenticate to the domain and get directory services while I am traveling.
[19:00] <hyperair> it is
[19:00] <hyperair> you just gotta be creative
[19:00] <hyperair> it's possible to tunnel a HP JetDirect printer through SSH even.
[19:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> hyperair: they haven't fixed bug #1 either... YET.
[19:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[19:01] <hyperair> Daisuke_Laptop: well that can't be helped
[19:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> getting there, slowly but surely :)
[19:01] <sarixe> i'm having major problems with my ipod.  here's the story.  i was transferring some songs to the ipod, when i got several i/o errors.  gtkpod froze, so i killed it.  then i tried removing files, and got "this is a read only filesystem".  then i fsck.vfat it, and it found several errors, which it didn't fix no matter what.  kept saying "Leaving filesystem unchanged."  then i mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1, unplugged it, and ipod reset.  now ipod firmware still boots
[19:01] <sarixe> , says it's 0kb free, /dev/sdb1 doesn't show up even though /dev/sdb does, gparted says /dev/sdb is an 18gb volume without a disklabel (and crashes trying to set one).
[19:02] <sarixe> any help with that?
[19:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's why i added in the yet.  i've gotten to a point where it's really easy to convince people to switch, they're tired of the viruses and spyware...
[19:02] <VousDeux> What happens now is I can join the domain on a virtual machine while wired to the network, but I cannot transfer that relationship to the wireless interface.
[19:02] <VousDeux> but, if the domain controller were local it should not matter which interface is active
[19:12] <owen1> how to make a script available as an app from terminal
[19:12] <tapas> owen1:
[19:12] <tapas> chmod +x the script
[19:12] <TehUni> chmod + x ?
[19:12] <tapas> add a shebang
[19:12] <tapas> and put itin your PATH
[19:12] <VousDeux> Likewise-Open looks hopeful :)
[19:12] <tapas> or alter the PATH to include the location of the script
[19:13] <owen1> tapas: how to alter path?
[19:13] <darthanubis> or use the full path inthe app pointer
[19:13] <tapas> yeah
[19:13] <darthanubis> you really don't want to modify the PATH do you?
[19:13] <tapas> sure
[19:13] <darthanubis> knock yourself out
[19:14] <tapas> i have a whole standard hierarchy here in /home/tapas/local
[19:14] <tapas> for testing and of course ~/local/bin is in my PATH :)
[19:14] <owen1> darthanubis: i think it will be nice to put my scripts in one folder in home so it will be backed-up.
[19:15] <owen1> tapas: darthanubis : do i need to add /home/bin to the PATH
[19:15] <darthanubis> yes
[19:15] <owen1> tapas: darthanubis (assuming /home/bin is my scripts folder)
[19:16] <owen1> darthanubis: what's wrong with adding this folder to PATH?
[19:16] <darthanubis> I personally avoid altering my PATH, just to get some programs to conviently run from cli
[19:17] <darthanubis> most of the cli cmds I use, are in PATH already
[19:17] <owen1> darthanubis: what is cli
[19:17] <darthanubis> if they aren't, I just cd
[19:18] <darthanubis> command line interface
[19:18] <LetterRip> hi all just fyi - a recent update apparently doesn't keep my wireless driver configuration
[19:18] <LetterRip> so have to use an older kernel config
[19:18] <owen1> darthanubis: but it's nice to hit alt+F2
[19:18] <LetterRip> also i had to reconfigure my screen resolution and such
[19:18] <darthanubis> LetterRip, should not have to use an older kernel, should pnly have to update the configuration
[19:19] <LetterRip> darthanubis - well i didn't want to fight things for half an hour trying to figure it out
[19:19] <darthanubis> owen1, you can give the full path in alt+f2 as well
[19:19] <LetterRip> darthanubis, i don't see why it wouldn't autoupdate the configuration info based on previous configs
[19:20] <owen1> darthanubis: yes, but if it's an app that u use daily u want to save typing
[19:20] <darthanubis> owen1, then I'd create a laauncher
[19:20] <owen1> darthanubis: and for non-geeks its not even a question.
[19:21] <owen1> darthanubis: what is it?
[19:21] <darthanubis> a launcher?
[19:21] <owen1> darthanubis: yes
[19:21] <darthanubis> its in winspeak a shortcut
[19:21] <VousDeux> rats, no #likewise-open chatroom on here
[19:22] <owen1> darthanubis: but i don't want to clutter my desktop. and i don't want mouse movements. it's faster to hit alt+F2.
[19:24] <darthanubis> owen1, who said anything about littering the desktop?
[19:24] <Beastmasta> When i download and install 8.04, will it update itself when the release comes out? Or will i have to download the ISO's again?
[19:24] <owen1> darthanubis: a launcher is on desktop/panel?
[19:24] <darthanubis> its wherever you put it
[19:24] <darthanubis> Beastmasta, lol, it will tell you when to update
[19:25] <owen1> darthanubis: correct. i prefer to use the keyboard than the mouse.
[19:25] <darthanubis> Beastmasta, you'll only "have" to download the ISO if your anal
[19:25] <Pirate_Hunter> why doesnt hardy open .rar files by default?
[19:25] <darthanubis> owen1, whatever
[19:25] <xtknight> Pirate_Hunter, rar is a proprietary format, but you can get support by typing sudo apt-get install unrar-free
[19:25] <xtknight> !info unrar-free
[19:26] <darthanubis> !rar
[19:26] <ubotu> unrar-free (source: unrar-free): Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20070515-1 (hardy), package size 40 kB, installed size 124 kB
[19:26] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[19:26] <Beastmasta> so, it'll all update even to the 9.x version eventually?
[19:26] <owen1> darthanubis: it's just a preference. don't get upset (-:
[19:26] <darthanubis> xtknight, that was quick
[19:26] <Pirate_Hunter> xtknight: oh didt kno that i was sure gutsy allowed it by default but could be wrong
[19:26] <xtknight> Pirate_Hunter, oh, don't think so
[19:26] <darthanubis> owen1, dude, that meant, whatever, as in do what you need to, its not a concern of mine...
[19:27] <xtknight> ol
[19:27] <owen1> darthanubis: got it..
[19:27] <xtknight> anyone here use vmware with GNOME?  has issues (keyboard keymap gets messed, ctrl/shift dont work).  w/ KDE4 and libgtk1.2 it works fine :|
[19:28] <xtknight> kde4 works better w/ gnome apps than gnome does, this is a little sad
[19:29] <xtknight> i have had zero issues using vmware under kde4, the maximize button works all the time, keymap is fine, it's fast
[19:29] <Pirate_Hunter> xtknight: after i installl it how do i use it, it doesnt pickup the rar file automatically
[19:29] <xtknight> Pirate_Hunter, you should just be able to right click and extract after installing unrar-free
[19:29] <xtknight> !info unrar
[19:29] <ubotu> unrar (source: unrar-nonfree): Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.7.8-1 (hardy), package size 94 kB, installed size 240 kB
[19:30] <xtknight> or maybe you need 'unrar', i don't know
[19:30] <xtknight> file-roller should also make use of it.  just double lcick the rar file
[19:30] <Pirate_Hunter> xtknight: nope not working it says file not supported whihc is a lie
[19:31] <xtknight> Pirate_Hunter, file-roller says this or nautilus does not recognize .rar?
[19:31] <xtknight> nautilus is the file browser(Explorer) while file-roller is a winzip that comes up
[19:31] <xtknight> other words, is the .rar file even associated with file-roller?
[19:31] <Pirate_Hunter> xtknight: not sure but something doesn't
[19:32] <xtknight> Pirate_Hunter, press alt f2 and type file-roller "/path/to/rar/file"
[19:32] <Pirate_Hunter> xtknight: archive manager dont recognise it and right click ectract dont work
[19:32] <xtknight> Pirate_Hunter, you installed unrar-free?
[19:33] <Pirate_Hunter> xtknight: yup
[19:33] <darthanubis> Pirate_Hunter, did you enable the multiverse and universe repos?
[19:33] <darthanubis> install unrar?
[19:33] <xtknight> Pirate_Hunter, let me see if i have any rar files lying around
[19:33] <xtknight> Pirate_Hunter, hell it works for me by default and i dont even know what i did
[19:33] <Pirate_Hunter> xtknight: it lies i know they are working
[19:34] <darthanubis> mine has always worked
[19:34] <xtknight> Pirate_Hunter, i have unrar, not unrar-free though.  i think i installed ubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:34] <xtknight> yea that was it.
[19:34] <Pirate_Hunter> xtknight: non of my rar files work :9
[19:34] <xtknight> read up
[19:34] <darthanubis> ^^^always great advice
[19:34] <xtknight> :)
[19:35] <darthanubis> ;)
[19:35] <Pirate_Hunter> xtknight: you mean the question is the rar file even associated with fith file roller? if that is it i dont know, how do i check
[19:35] <xtknight> Pirate_Hunter, dont worry aobut it man
[19:35] <xtknight> Pirate_Hunter, sudo apt-get remove unrar-free && sudo apt-get install unrar
[19:35] <xtknight> The free program unrar-free, in the universe repository, supports rar up to version 2.
[19:35] <xtknight> To add support for rar version 3, install the unrar package from the multiverse repository (AddingRepositoriesHowto).
[19:35] <xtknight> you have a rar v3
[19:36] <Pirate_Hunter> xtknight: ok but this are just simple file no need for version 3 and now i will check if it works
[19:36] <xtknight> Pirate_Hunter, how do you know they aren't version 3??
[19:37] <Pirate_Hunter> xtknight: ok but this are just simple file no need for version 3 and now i will check if it works it orks it works
[19:37] <xtknight> i think they probably were
[19:37] <Pirate_Hunter> xtknight: I dont but it works it works thanx thanx a lot
[19:37] <xtknight> yeah
[19:37] <darthanubis> lol
[19:37] <Pirate_Hunter> xtknight: out of curiosity how do i find out if they are version 3
[19:37] <darthanubis> next!
[19:37] <xtknight> Pirate_Hunter, probably "file asdf.rar"
[19:38] <Raspberry> how can I run something sudo'd as another user if I don't know that user's password, but I'd su'd in as them from a "sudo su username" command?
[19:38] <Pirate_Hunter> xtknight: ok
[19:38] <xtknight>  RAR archive data, v1d, os: Win32
[19:38] <kane77> is it a fact that amarok doesn't work very well in hardy?
[19:38] <xtknight> kane77, not sure what you mean?
[19:38] <xtknight> Raspberry, ??
[19:38]  * xtknight 's brain hurts
[19:38] <xtknight> :p
[19:38] <darthanubis> lol
[19:38] <Raspberry> i need to open the control panel as another user
[19:39] <Raspberry> :)
[19:39] <xtknight> Raspberry, "su username".  then once you're there, sudo ctrlpanel
[19:39] <xtknight> i guess
[19:39] <Raspberry> no
[19:39] <kane77> xtknight, or maybe it is xine that's not right.. I get xine errors quite often... and it is unable to play using pulse audio...
[19:39] <Raspberry> because it asks me for their password then :)
[19:39] <xtknight> Raspberry, well you need their pw to run a prog as them
[19:39] <xtknight> afaik
[19:39] <kane77> xtknight, I mean messages like this: "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers"
[19:39] <darthanubis> kane77, pulseaudio must be running, and xine must have a pulse audio plugin
[19:40] <Raspberry> it's a system account so ubuntu set the password
[19:40] <darthanubis> !pulseaudio |kane77
[19:40] <ubotu> kane77: PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[19:40] <_Rambaldi_> my vlc often loses sound, and i have to restart to get sound. other app do work. how do i fix this
[19:40] <xtknight> Raspberry, well what are you trying to do overall?  this seems awfully cumbersome to me :p
[19:41] <xtknight> kane77, i dont know but i've had amarok give me errors about ESD
[19:41] <darthanubis> _Rambaldi_, I noticed that as well, but have not looked into it, as I found it minor and infrequent. But I would start by searching google for a bug file on the matter
[19:41] <xtknight> worked tho
[19:41] <owen1> PATH=$PATH:/home/oren/bin   will it add bin or will it override the path?
[19:41] <darthanubis> I just swithced to mplayer
[19:41] <xtknight> owen1, that adds bin temporarily
[19:42] <Raspberry> xtknight: I'm running mythtv -- and I upgraded to hardy -- since the upgrade the mythtv user has the screensaver enabled... so in th emiddle of watching a show the screensaver turns on
[19:42] <kane77> darthanubis, hmm the thing is the !pulseaudio and the wiki entry shows how to install in gutsy, I'm running hardy
[19:42] <owen1> xtknight: how do i make it permanent
[19:42] <darthanubis> kane77, its applicable
[19:42] <xtknight> owen1,  export PATH=$PATH:/home/oren/bin is permanent for the whole bash session, but otherwise to make it fully permanent you need to add export.. to end of ~/.bashrc
[19:42] <Raspberry> xtknight: so I want to log in under the mythtv account and run the gnome ocntrol panel as well as run some other apps and set some parameters
[19:43] <owen1> xtknight: export PATH
[19:43] <darthanubis> kane77, I have two Hardy boxes. One was a clean install, pulse was not enabled by default. I followed that wiki to get it working.
[19:43] <xtknight> Raspberry, so you dont know pw of mythtv?  passwd mythtv
[19:43] <owen1> xtknight: or do i have to edit bashrc?
[19:43] <xtknight> and set one?
[19:43] <xtknight> i guess
[19:43] <xtknight> owen1, depends on what you want to do
[19:43] <_Rambaldi_> do you also find that you cant play 2 sound sources darthanubis , i like vlc coz of te 400% sound applifing
[19:43] <owen1> xtknight: change it forever.
[19:44] <kane77> darthanubis, but I mean it is already installed and apps are using it (if I show pavucontrol it shows audio sources etc..), but not in amarok...
[19:44] <Raspberry> xtknight: I belivee if I change that password it will screw up other things
[19:44] <owen1> xtknight: why would anyone want it for current session?
[19:44] <xtknight> owen1, because less risk of screwing other things up
[19:44] <xtknight> owen1, please see https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/1931
[19:44] <darthanubis> _Rambaldi_, no, but not sure I know what you mean, two simulataneous sound sources, in one or two instances of vlc?
[19:45] <owen1> xtknight: your link doesn't work
[19:45] <darthanubis> kane77, I don't use amarok, but see if there is a pulse plugin for it. #kubuntu, may have more info on the matter as well?
[19:45] <xtknight> works here?
[19:45] <_Rambaldi_> for instance i am playing a song on rhythmbox and pause to play sound, it does not work, until i close rhythmbox
[19:45] <Zambezi> Anyone with chanop? I want to ask a question in PM quickly (not regarding abuse).
[19:45] <xtknight> Raspberry, so you want to run a program as another user's sudo without knowing their pw
[19:45] <darthanubis> _Rambaldi_, have not noticed that
[19:46] <Raspberry> xtknight: yeah
[19:46] <_Rambaldi_> nevermind, its vlc that does not work unless its the only app playing sound. darthanubis  did not realise i use it that much
[19:46] <Raspberry> xtknight: because i'm suing into their account as root -- I support I could add them to the visudo list
[19:46] <xtknight> Raspberry, sudo -H -s -u mythtv
[19:46] <xtknight> from you reg. acct
[19:46] <amortvigil> hey does anyone have or know a good tutorial for starting with anjuta and ( gtk / glade c++ programming )
[19:46] <xtknight> well hmm this opens $ prompt only
[19:47] <xtknight> :\
[19:49] <xtknight> Raspberry, sorry i dont really know, try asking in #linux
[19:49] <darthanubis> amortvigil, google
[19:49] <darthanubis> _Rambaldi_, I can play sound from vlc and other apps simulatneously
[19:49] <amortvigil> darthanubis: It isnt that easy to find a good tutorial there
[19:49] <darthanubis> amortvigil, one sec
[19:49] <amortvigil> darthanubis: It isnt that easy to find a good tutorial there for the subject i asked
[19:49] <amortvigil> *
[19:49] <_Rambaldi_> i am going to reinstall vlc
[19:50] <Raspberry> xtknight: :)  thanks -- the problem is I need to sudo from their account .. it's a mess
[19:50] <Raspberry> xtknight: welcome to BETA :D
[19:50] <darthanubis> amortvigil, http://www.micahcarrick.com/03-02-2006/gnome-programming-tutorial.html
[19:50] <xtknight> Raspberry, maybe you could try sudo -H -s on regular acct, and then USER=mythtv control-panel-you-want
[19:50] <xtknight> i dont know about that though
[19:51] <xtknight> Raspberry, yeah did you get my last msg about USER=?  lagged a little.
[19:51] <Raspberry> xtknight: i'll give that a shot
[19:52] <Raspberry> thx
[19:52] <amortvigil> darthanubis: wow how cool! with what search command did you find??? this is sow awesome thanx
[19:53] <darthanubis> amortvigil, http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=Lqk&q=anjuta+gtk+glade+c%2B%2B+programming+tutorial&btnG=Search
[19:53] <darthanubis> amortvigil, anjuta gtk glade c++ programming tutorial
[19:53] <darthanubis> ;)
[19:53] <amortvigil> cool thank you
[19:53] <darthanubis> np
[19:54] <xtknight> Raspberry, nah i dont' think that'll work actually.
[19:56] <nemo> compiz is missing chrome after last update.
[19:57] <nemo> what package would I install for that under ubuntu?
[19:57] <nemo> would prefer to avoid emerald
[19:57] <nemo> $ ccsm
[19:57] <nemo> libccs: dlopen: /usr/lib/compizconfig/backends/libgconf.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[19:57] <nemo> hm. that's not good
[19:58] <nemo> could explain what happened
[19:58] <xtknight> !search libgconf.so
[19:58] <ubotu> Found:
[19:59] <xtknight> !info compizconfig-backend-gconf | nemo maybe this is it
[19:59] <VousDeux> well, it may just be that I'm a glutten for punishment, but I'm going to go ahead and install KDE4 too.
[19:59] <ubotu> nemo maybe this is it: compizconfig-backend-gconf (source: compizconfig-backend-gconf): Settings library for plugins - OpenCompositing Project. In component main, is extra. Version 0.7.4-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 27 kB, installed size 128 kB
[19:59] <xtknight> im using kde4 now
[19:59] <nemo> xtknight: that did it. thanks
[19:59] <nemo> last update musta clobbered things
[19:59] <nemo> xtknight: KDE4 is on my gentoo box
[20:00] <xtknight> nemo: works better for many of my gnome apps even
[20:00] <nemo> hm.
[20:00] <nemo> they rearranged things. frig
[20:00] <nemo> I wonder if there's been a package reorg
[20:00] <xtknight> dunno
[20:00] <xtknight> i'd reinstall compiz,compiz-gnome
[20:00] <xtknight> and remove *compiz* before that
[20:01] <nemo> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Couldn't load plugin 'imgjpeg'
[20:01] <nemo> etc
[20:15] <marex_v2> hi, I have a sony vaio SZ61WN notebook, somehow my headset audio output doesn't seem to work. any ideas?
[20:21] <binarical-app> hows hardy comming along
[20:21] <xtknight> binarical-app, great
[20:22] <binarical-app> cool im really happy to hear that, cause i just spent 4 days infront of a terminal installing gentoo without sucess
[20:22] <xtknight> hhehe
[20:22] <xtknight> i've been there
[20:22] <xtknight> except 4 hours not 4 days :p
[20:22] <xtknight> but still no success
[20:23] <binarical-app> do you know if xmodmap got fixed? it was being buggy with key repetition ....
[20:23] <xtknight> i don't know you can look on launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=xmodmap&search=Search+Bug+Reports&field.scope=all&field.scope.target=
[20:23] <binarical-app> yeah someone said it would be easyer to use a 32 bit via xen on a home baked kernel for a 64 system
[20:24] <binarical-app> gentoo
[20:24] <binarical-app> i guess i shall shoot that one in out beloved ubuntu
[20:24] <binarical-app> thanks xtknight
[20:25] <xtknight> i just use vmware for virtualization
[20:25] <xtknight> (xp64 under linux64)
[20:26] <xtknight> and sometimes gutsy/feisty guests for building packages
[20:26] <binarical-app> im specifly trying to get win nt which is 32 bit to run on a 64 bit dulie
[20:27] <xtknight> ah
[20:27] <binarical-app> the users are not supposed to know anything about linux
[20:27] <binarical-app> all windoze
[20:27] <xtknight> i think for xen you need virt extensions on cpu to run windows.  for vmware, you do not need them
[20:27] <binarical-app> O_o
[20:27] <xtknight> fullscreen vmware kiosk is a good idea i'd say
[20:28] <xtknight> or virtualbox.  that works for 32bit guests, maybe even faster than vmware.  neither use cpu virt extensions because cpu virt is slower right now.
[20:28] <xtknight> virtualbox has an opensource edition that supports most things
[20:28] <xtknight> i believe both support snapshots, so, you know, if they mess something up..
[20:28] <xtknight> sure beats System Restore heh
[20:29] <binarical-app> heh
[20:29] <binarical-app> hey have you ever given the min inst *untu cd a shot?
[20:30] <xtknight> binarical-app, nope i have only done alternate
[20:30] <binarical-app> *buntu
[20:30] <rinaldi_> anyone use pcsx? i can't get a mounted iso file to run... it says its not a playstation format disc
[20:30] <binarical-app> im sorry, i dont use play station formats
[20:32]  * binarical-app shall return shortly
[20:36] <dubby> hey hardy, Im having a little trouble with compiz, I have had hardy for about a week and a half now, and compiz has been working great and i loved it, but yesterday there was a synaptic update, now compiz does not work and the settings manager cannot install unless i remove compiz core.. which makes either useless...
[20:38] <tapas> hm flash stopped making sound here
[20:39] <tapas> all other sound still works..
[20:39] <dubby> tapas make sure some other application has taken over control of sound
[20:39] <tapas> all other apps produce sound just fine.
[20:39] <tapas> mplayer, amarok, kaffeine, etc.. let's try speaker-test :)
[20:40] <dubby> yeah but those other apps may be the reason that the sound isn't working
[20:40] <tapas> hmm, nice sweet white noise
[20:42] <tapas> no other app using the sound device (verified using fuser) besides jackd on my delta66
[20:42] <tapas> the emu10k1 (sb live) is totally idle
[20:43] <tapas> http://rafb.net/p/xhwyu215.html
[20:43] <coz_> I am guessing you guys are aware that the recent updates has broken several plugins in compiz fujsion/
[20:43] <coz_> fusion
[20:43] <dubby> I am...
[20:43] <Sergeant_Pony> oh?
[20:44] <coz_> yep they will not enable
[20:44] <Sergeant_Pony> my hardware drivers is broken
[20:44] <dubby> well mine enables it just, removes the top window bar and everything is at the very top left of the screen
[20:44] <dubby> but looking there are some more updates today for compiz
[20:44] <dubby> maybe they fixed it today or tomorrow
[20:45] <WGGMk> Ok, so reinstalled today from yesterdays daily build (amd64) and installed GFXBoot Grub from Synaptic Package Manager and can not get it to use the graphic. I have my machine set with an LVM partition and tried using "gfxmenu /boot/grub/......etc" and "gfxmenu /grub/....etc" but nothing seems to work. I dont get any error or any text display, it just boots like I never changed anything to grub
[20:45] <coz_> dubby,  I just updated about then minutes ago  unless there are mor eon the way
[20:45] <what_the_deuce> Hi. Compiz is giving me a strange graphic glitch since I have installed the beta. It appears that the display isn't refreshing properly, and there is a clear line down the middle of the screen
[20:45] <coz_> ten minutes
[20:45] <what_the_deuce> this occurs when using animations and effects, and when watching youtube videos
[20:46] <dubby> nope your right
[20:46] <dubby> today compiz broke
[20:46] <dubby> why fix something that wasn't broke...
[20:46] <dubby> why?
[20:46] <Sergeant_Pony> how can I tell if mine is broke?
[20:47] <dubby> well are you running compiz?
[20:47] <Sergeant_Pony> I am
[20:47] <WGGMk> compiz is working fine but a lil sluggish from the updates
[20:48] <tapas> hmm, indeed pulseaudio was "in the way"
[20:48] <tapas> why did it evade my search for processes hogging the sound device? hrmpf
[20:49] <dubby> system->preferences->appearances->Visual Effects->Extra, if everything feels like compiz, its probably compiz, the ccsm doesn't change and my box does not work either
[20:51] <dubby> that makes me sad panda
[20:51] <DanaG> WTF?  Sat Apr 12 12:51:17 2008: GStreamer encountered a general resource error.
[20:52] <DanaG> Trying to play stuff in quodlibet.
[20:53] <Sergeant_Pony> compiz barfed
[20:56] <tapas> and yeah, gnome-appearance-properties like to eat 100% cpu for extended amount s of time (until i kill it)
[20:57] <dubby> ok everyone here, go to synaptic, and install compiz...
[20:57] <dubby> lol
[20:57] <dubby> it got uninstalled for me
[20:57] <dubby> the only thing left is the compiz-fusion plugins
[20:59] <dooglus> how do I enable compiz?
[20:59] <dubby> ﻿system->preferences->appearances->Visual Effects->Extra
[21:00] <dooglus> ta
[21:00] <WGGMk> Why did they take out the simple-ccsm from apperance menu?
[21:01] <dooglus> it says "the composite extension is not available" and then "sorry, the program "jockey-gtk" closed unexpectedly"
[21:01] <jimmygoon> how do  i convince nautlius/gedit that my file is not binary?
[21:01] <DanaG> Argh, every 5 seconds.... my external drive goes SHHHCLICK
[21:01] <DanaG> EVERY 5 SECONDS.
[21:01] <DanaG> Besides the wear issues, that sound is going to drive me batty.
[21:01] <dooglus> DanaG: mine used to do that too.  after 24 hours of doing so, the drive died.
[21:01] <oly> hi, is anyone able to tell me what i need to install in gutsy to get xml.dom.ext library for python
[21:01] <DanaG> It's repeatedly loading and unloading the drive heads.
[21:02] <dooglus> DanaG: I sent it back to the manufacturer, they replaced the drive, and now when it starts happening, I reboot.
[21:02] <oly> i can import xml.dom but not xml.dom.ext
[21:02] <dubby> oly thats for #ubuntu
[21:02] <dooglus> DanaG: there's a very long bug report about the problem
[21:02] <oly> i am using hardy,
[21:02] <oly> guessing its moved into another package or something
[21:02] <DanaG> AAgh, I'm going to go insane if I keep hearing that ******* clicking noise.
[21:02] <oly> dont remember needing anything special before to use it
[21:03] <DanaG> SSSHCLICK
[21:03] <DanaG> SSSHCLICK
[21:03] <WGGMk> DanaG open the drive and leave it open then
[21:03] <dooglus> DanaG: don't worry, you won't be hearing it for long.
[21:03] <DanaG> I'm playing stuff from it with QuodLibet.
[21:03] <dubby> ﻿(04:01:48 PM) oly: hi, is anyone able to tell me what i need to install in gutsy to get xml.dom.ext library for python
[21:03] <DanaG> SSSHCLICK
[21:03] <dooglus> DanaG: read this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695
[21:03] <oly> ah, sorry wrote wrong version :p
[21:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 59695 in suse "High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime" [Unknown,In progress]
[21:03] <oly> i am using hardy,
[21:03] <DanaG> SSSHCLICK
[21:04]  * jimmygoon can't help but laught
[21:04] <DanaG> SSSHCLICK
[21:04] <dubby> ok well which packet did you get xml.dom in?
[21:04] <albert24> oly: It's in python-xml, but you have to set the system path to use python-xml now.
[21:04] <WGGMk> Has anyone else tried GFX Boot Grub in Hardy yet?
[21:04] <DanaG> Handy tip: install wmhdplop.
[21:04] <DanaG> SSSHCLICK
[21:04] <dubby> Pyxml
[21:04] <dooglus> DanaG: try: "sudo hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda"
[21:04] <DanaG> It's not my internal drive; it's a firewire drive.
[21:04] <dubby> yeah
[21:04] <dubby> lol
[21:04] <dubby> darn 14 seconds too slow
[21:05] <DanaG> Thus, I can't do anything to its APM settings.
[21:05] <oly> i have python-xml installed and import xml.dom works but import xml.dom.ext deos not
[21:05] <DanaG> I fixed my Hitachi internal drive by using Ultimate Boot CD -- use Hitachi Feature Tool to actually change the drive's semipermanent defaults, not just the runtime settings.
[21:05] <dubby> ok how do i change from 2 to 4 workspaces, and the little bar prefences telling it 4 columns isn't working
[21:05] <oly> so do i need to add something to system path just for the ext part ?
[21:06] <oly> just seems a bit odd
[21:06] <albert24> oly: sys.path.append('/usr/lib/python%s/site-packages/oldxml' % sys.version[:3]) before you import from python-xml
[21:06] <oly> okay, thanks albert24 will try that out
[21:07] <didy> how do i install KDE on ubuntu please??
[21:08] <DanaG> Sat Apr 12 13:07:56 2008: GStreamer encountered a general resource error.
[21:08] <DanaG> Argh!
[21:09] <DanaG> Handy hint: mount stuff with commit=300 parameter -- that sets journal time to 5 minutes.
[21:12] <DanaG> Device hw:1 doesn't support sample format float32le, changed to s16le.
[21:12] <DanaG> So much for Audigy doing 24-bit audio.
[21:12] <DanaG> DOesn't do float32le or s24le or s24_3le.
[21:13] <DanaG> The default commit interval of 5 seconds is rather insane.
[21:14] <DanaG> If it's going to be that short, it might as well be zero or one -- at least that'd let the damn thing stop clicking.
[21:14] <Ayabara> hey. when I enable the nvidia driver on my dell xps m1530 and reboot, I only get low graphics mode.
[21:15] <didy> ﻿will there be any conflict if i use kubuntu desktop on ubuntu??
[21:15] <IdleOne> didy: no conflict besides your menus being all mixed up
[21:16] <IdleOne> with kubuntu and ubuntu apps
[21:16] <IdleOne> and the is no easy way of undoing it
[21:16] <savvas> The following packages have unmet dependencies: initramfs-tools: Depends: volumeid but it is not installable grub: Depends: volumeid but it is not installable
[21:16] <savvas> it's been 2 days now i think
[21:16] <dubby> didy please stop spamming all the channels with the same question
[21:17] <dubby> lol jk i have done it as well be4 , im such a hypocrate
[21:18] <Ayabara> I got the same result when I dowloaded the driver from nvidias site and installed it. low graphics mode all the way. if I disable the driver, I still only get low graphics, until I restore a backup of the original xorg.conf
[21:18] <dubby> wow, I usually hear of the issues being ati not nvidia
[21:20] <inspired12> hello, I have been having a problem at boot that sends me to the busybox thing
[21:20] <tapas> you know something is wrong with the scheduler if it's not possible to playback a movie at the same time of an apt-get upgrade
[21:20] <inspired12> its a fresh instal of hardy, and it was working before. Im not sure why its dropping out now
[21:20] <inspired12> anyone have experience with this?
[21:21] <tiax> Hi, is there no debootstrap script for hardy yet?
[21:21] <tapas> inspired12: try editing the boot parameters to show all messages
[21:21] <inspired12> tapas: how do i go about that?
[21:22] <tapas> when in grub press e to edit the entries
[21:22] <tapas> something like splash and quiet
[21:22] <tapas> brb
[21:23] <inspired12> that sounds like something i read earlier in a forum, but i am at a loss still
[21:24] <dwidmann> is it me or is the elinks package(s) messed up in hardy?
[21:25] <DanaG> WTF?
[21:25] <DanaG> Soft CPU time limit exhausted, terminating.
[21:25] <DanaG> I: main.c: Daemon shutdown initiated.
[21:25] <DanaG> Aah, so THAT's why audio apps keep randomly breaking.
[21:25] <DanaG> PulseAudio randomly decides to quit.
[21:25] <alastair_> So these special desktop effects look a lot like Beryl. Are they, in fact, Beryl but integrated, and if so, where are the options?
[21:26] <esox> Hi, I've noticed some stuff about running jack. From gutsy (2.6.22 RT kernel) to hardy (2.6.24 RT kernel), jack with FFADO/firewire driver gained lots of CPU usage (from around 10% to around 6 %). But it lost in stability, I mean loss of sync are more often
[21:26] <dwidmann> alastair_: compiz and  beryl remerged and called it compiz-fusion, that's probably what you're looking at right now
[21:26] <tovella> alastair_: i think the compiz and beryl have merged .
[21:26] <Ayabara> anyone else with hardy and a laptop with an nvidia card here?
[21:26] <DanaG> Hmm, new scheduler does seem to suck with audio.
[21:27] <alastair_> I just went system ->preferences -> appearance -> visual effects and put it on max
[21:27] <alastair_> like the internet said :P
[21:27] <alastair_> The thing is I don't like compiz-fusion because of the lack of the things I liked about beryl
[21:28] <tovella> alastair_: you might try using emerald - Decorator for compiz-fusion.
[21:29] <DanaG> sudo btrace /dev/sdb
[21:29] <DanaG> BLKTRACESETUP: No such file or directory
[21:29] <DanaG> Failed to start trace on /dev/sdb
[21:29] <DanaG> No such file or directory?  Whaaa?
[21:30] <alastair_> :) E.g. 3D windows
[21:30] <alastair_> k I'll investigate C-F updates
[21:30] <Jaymac> alastair_: have you installed all of the compiz-fusion plugins?
[21:31] <alastair_> yep. Last I tried the 3D windows was in a weird development build that was horribly slow
[21:31] <DanaG> SSSHCLICK
[21:31] <alastair_> That is, 3D windows made it horribly slow.
[21:31] <DanaG> SSSHCLICK
[21:31] <DanaG> SSSHCLICK
[21:32] <pen> how to change the bootsplash
[21:32] <DanaG> org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.InvalidMountOption : The option 'commit=900' is not allowed for uid=1000
[21:33] <didy> ﻿how do i uninstall kde :P
[21:33] <DanaG> Argh!
[21:33] <VousDeux> Does anyone know if there is a way to have an ssh tunnel appear as if it were a nic?
[21:33] <DanaG> How do I change the mount option?
[21:33] <Jaymac> DanaG: does that line appear in your /etc/fstab?
[21:34] <DanaG> In my properties for the volume on the desktop -- it's a removable volume.
[21:34] <Jaymac> oh
[21:34] <Ayabara> Is xorg.conf is much simpler than before in Hardy.?
[21:35] <Jaymac> Ayabara: mine seems considerably shorter
[21:35] <DanaG> I set it there to get rid of that godawful ﻿SSHCLICK......﻿SSHCLICK......﻿SSHCLICK......﻿SSHCLICK......﻿SSHCLICK......﻿SSHCLICK......
[21:36] <Ayabara> Jaymac: same here. I thought I'd try to look for obvious errors in my nVidia driver setup, but it's almost no options in there anymore :-)
[21:36] <DanaG> Oh, and PulseAudio keeps randomly "calling it quits" for some reason.
[21:38] <ryanzec> my wireless card not not work in 8.04 but works fine in 7.10.  in 7.10 it comes up as a restricted driver(Intel(r) PRO/Wireless 3945 Network connection driver for Linux) but that does not come up in 8.04, anyone know why?
[21:38] <tovella> alastair_: if you install "compizconfig-settings-manager", you will see a nice graphical way to configure all the "Advanced Desktop Effects Settings".
[21:39] <Jaymac> ryanzec: yes, it now uses the free iwl3945 driver
[21:39] <DanaG> SSSHCLICK
[21:39] <alastair_> tovella: I am indeed doing it the old-fashioned way, cheers
[21:39] <Jaymac> ryanzec:  I have the same wireless card... it has worked perfectly since i installed the linux-backports module
[21:39] <alastair_> I was just wondering why the nice user-friendly GUI way of doing it doesn't actually do it fully.
[21:40] <alastair_> Since we're in beta I might mention that it would be a good idea
[21:40] <ryanzec> jaymac how do i install those?
[21:40] <Jaymac> ryanzec: I also upgraded to network-manager 0.7 from ppa but i don't think that made a difference
[21:40] <DanaG> DAMN IT!  Stop killing my hard drive, stupid jounal!
[21:40] <tovella> alastair_: ...then you will see "Advanced Desktop Effects Settings", under "System > Preferences".
[21:40] <alastair_> oh
[21:40] <KrimZon> i'm about to use lvpm to move my wubi install of 8.04 onto a proper partition, but when i run it it says "You are running LVPM on a host installation. You must run it on a loopmounted install." - does anyone know what's wrong?
[21:40] <Jaymac> ryanzec: search for it in synaptic... although maybe our symptoms are different.. i could see all of the networks, i got prompted for passwords, but it never got past the handshake - is that your problem too?
[21:40] <alastair_> But if compiz-fusion is (apparently) preinstalled as an option, then shouldn't the settings for it also be installed?
[21:40] <KrimZon> bearing in mind that this is from within the wubi installation
[21:41] <ryanzec> i can not see any networks
[21:41] <Jaymac> alastair_: there are default options available through the appearances applet... ccsm is quite cluttered
[21:41] <tovella> alastair_: agreed, it should, but "compizconfig-settings-manager" is NOT installed by default.
[21:41] <KrimZon> ryanzec: what kernel are you running at the moment?
[21:42] <Jaymac> ryanzec: well, i installed linux-backports-modules-`uname -r`
[21:42] <DanaG> Okay, that's odd.... the thing that was causing PulseAudio to die was a 22050Hz stream.
[21:42] <alastair_> Jaymac: the appearances applet doesn't seem to have any options for the advanced effects - options I'm used to as a previous beryl and compiz user. Although I agree ccsm is cluttered.
[21:42] <alastair_> still, it seems like an easy-to-google answer for people who haven't used it before
[21:42] <Jaymac> alastair_: you have the option of default effects, or extra effects.
[21:42] <DanaG> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[21:42] <DanaG> SSHCLICK
[21:43] <ubotu> compizconfig-settings-manager (source: compizconfig-settings-manager): Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.4-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 594 kB, installed size 3928 kB
[21:43] <alastair_> Jaymac: yes but if I turn extra effects on I don't get options for them, this is all I was saying
[21:44] <alastair_> Unless I install this package
[21:44] <Jaymac> alastair_: then i agree.. :)
[21:44] <alastair_> Which I can't because I'm updating ><
[21:44] <Jaymac> there is a simple-ccsm being worked on, which is available too..
[21:44] <alastair_> Note to self: beta = upgrades
[21:44] <ryanzec> KrimZon: i can't remember i believe the lastest one(i know i have 2 installed) i think it end with .45
[21:44] <alastair_> okidoke, I just piped up early then
[21:44] <bjwebb> hmmmm
[21:44] <bjwebb> im trying to help debug
[21:45] <bjwebb> what exactly are debug symbols? (i know how to get them)
[21:45] <DanaG> wtf?  org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.InvalidMountOption : The option 'commit=900' is not allowed for uid=0
[21:45] <DanaG> Since when is root not allowed to set mount options for removable devices?
[21:45] <didy> ﻿well on ubuntu, how do i remove/uninstall for eg an application with ALL RELATED components that come with it to ensure a FULL/COMPLETE uninstallation??
[21:45] <Jaymac> didy: doesn't the purge flag do that?
[21:45] <Jaymac> sudo apt-get purge application
[21:45] <Jaymac> ?
[21:46] <KrimZon> ryanzec: its just that i had that problem during alpha with one of the updates not supporting it, but later it was supported again
[21:46] <didy> on synaptic?
[21:46] <Jaymac> didy: i guess it's the equivalent of complete removal
[21:46] <didy> can it be done on synaptic??
[21:47] <ryanzec> krizon, i will try the older kernal and see if that helps.
[21:47] <Jaymac> didy: right click on your program and select complete removal
[21:47] <Jaymac> didy: that will remove all configuration files etc
[21:47] <IdleOne> Jaymac: he is trying to uninsall kubuntu-desktop.
[21:48] <didy> no complete removal....
[21:48] <IdleOne> uninstall*
[21:48] <Jaymac> if you remove kubuntu-desktop and then do a sudo apt-get autoremove will it get rid of all kubuntu components?
[21:48] <didy> yeah kde and in general applications... how do i make sure i do a complete uninstallation and not just 1 component
[21:48] <IdleOne> Jaymac: nope
[21:49] <IdleOne> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=526193 Jaymac didy check out this link
[21:49] <Jaymac> this is why people use aptitude :)
[21:51] <Jaymac> Actually, because kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, removing it would cause aptitude to remove everything tied to it. In apt-get, you would see the "these packages are no longer used, use autoremove to remove them" message.
[21:52] <IdleOne> didy: if you look in /root/.synaptic/log and look for the log file of when you installed kubuntu-desktop it should list all the packages it installed you can then try to remove them all
[21:52] <IdleOne> apttitude and apt-get have similar log files
[21:52] <IdleOne> aptitude*
[21:52] <tovella> didy: Jaymac: you may also take a look at "deborphan" which finds orphaned libraries.
[21:53] <[Ramy]> can i use ipw3945 on hardy ? my iwlwifi does not work, i'm using 1.2.25
[21:53] <didy> LOL in root folder i cannot see anything..
[21:53] <DanaG> Argh, something keeps cycling my hard drive repeatedly!
[21:54] <didy> any good unzipper for ubuntu?
[21:54] <IdleOne> didy hit alt+F2 and type gksudo nautilus then go to View and check view hidden files
[21:54] <VousDeux> why do some item that are listed in Adept have a Kubuntu icon?
[21:55] <Jaymac> VousDeux: they are from the main repositories, actively supported by the kubuntu developers
[21:55] <IdleOne> Adept is the kubuntu package manager
[21:55] <VousDeux> thank you
[21:55] <KrimZon> does anyone know what's up with LVPM?
[21:55] <IdleOne> didy: right click on the file and click extract here
[21:56] <Jaymac> [Ramy]: no you can't
[21:56] <Jaymac> [Ramy]: http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/
[21:56] <DanaG> hard drive abuse!
[21:57] <KrimZon> ryanzec: did it work?
[21:57] <ryanzec> KrimZon: loading the older kernal(24.12 instead of 24.15) works
[21:57] <KrimZon> ahh
[21:57] <Jaymac> ryanzec: have you tried the 24.16?
[21:57] <DanaG> Argh, ntfs-3g keeps load-cycling the drive literally every 5 to 10 seconds.
[21:58] <tovella> didy: Jaymac: i sometimes use "deborphan" piped through "xargs" with the "apt-get" command to do a complete removal of unnecessary packages, like this: "deborphan | xargs apt-get --purge remove -y"
[21:58] <[Ramy]> jaymac: will iwlwifi work with the hardy release ?
[21:58] <ryanzec> i don't have that version, how do i get it?
[21:58] <Jaymac> [Ramy]: it works for me, with the 3945abg - i installed linux-backports-modules-`uname -r` to get it to work
[22:01] <[Ramy]> Jaymac, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13327723/log_wireless . i have -15 kernel, is there update for kernel ?
[22:02] <Jaymac> there is a -16
[22:02] <[Ramy]> how can install it ?
[22:03] <Jaymac> it should install when you do an upgrade
[22:03] <bean-oh> anyone gotten Hamachi working in Hardy?
[22:03] <[Ramy]> Jaymac, how can know if there is an update for the kernel, who is responsible for the patches -15 or -16 , can i monitor that online ?
[22:04] <Jaymac> [Ramy]: if you run Update Manager and check for updates, it should find the new kernel update
[22:04] <pen> how to change the bootsplash? Splashy?
[22:05] <[Ramy]> Jaymac, sorry, i want to know in advance ? just curious who is responsible for this update ?
[22:05] <didy> how do i put application on auto start....
[22:05] <Jaymac> the ubuntu kernel team i'd imagine
[22:05] <Jaymac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam
[22:06] <T1m0thy> Ermm, how do you do DVDs in Hardy? I think I have all the packages and I ran the libdvdcss3 script or whatever.. Totem says something like "Cannot load resource".
[22:06] <T1m0thy> I've never had to play DVDs on Linux.
[22:06] <DanaG> Argh, I wish ntfs-3g would stop abusing my hard drive.
[22:06] <|DuReX|> how I make ubuntu give a verbose output
[22:06] <|DuReX|> @ boot
[22:07] <|DuReX|> cause I updated my hardy and doesn't boot anymore :p
[22:07] <didy> how do i put application on auto start....
[22:07] <bean-oh> T1m0thy, are you sure Totem is referring to the right dfevice?
[22:07] <Jaymac> |DuReX|: edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove the word 'quiet' from the boot line
[22:08] <DanaG> If this ntfs-3g kills my hard drive, I will be rather quite very angry.
[22:08] <DanaG> It's already thoroughly destroyed my sanity.
[22:09] <DanaG> ﻿SSHCLICK!
[22:09] <DanaG> ﻿SSHCLICK!
[22:09] <T1m0thy> Ermm, how do you do DVDs in Hardy? I think I have all the packages and I ran the libdvdcss3 script or whatever.. Totem says something like "Cannot load resource".
[22:09] <DanaG> ﻿SSHCLICK!
[22:09] <Jaymac> T1m0thy: add the medibuntu repository
[22:09] <DanaG> ﻿SSHCLICK!
[22:09] <Jaymac> !medibuntu | T1m0thy
[22:09] <ubotu> T1m0thy: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[22:09] <T1m0thy> Alright, thanks.
[22:09] <DanaG> ﻿SSHCLICK!
[22:10] <DanaG> ﻿SSHCLICK!
[22:10] <Jaymac> T1m0thy: then do: sudo aptitude install libdvdcss2 libdvdread3 totem-xine
[22:10] <DanaG> ﻿SSHCLICK!
[22:11] <|DuReX|> waiting for root filesystem :P
[22:11] <|DuReX|> crap :)
[22:11] <DanaG> Can you see how that clicking would quite severely damage one's sanity?
[22:12] <Jaymac> |DuReX|: that happened to me once when the system tried to boot a 386 kernel instead of a generic one
[22:12] <DanaG> Actually, it's more like SSHKACLICK
[22:14] <icanhasadmin> So i can't get my wifi working still on -16. Atheros ar5007 (i think?), tried RDM, tried custom install, tried custom patch. any ideas?
[22:14] <blekos> what card do u have?
[22:14] <didy> why is it that my hardware drivers is not responsing...
[22:14] <daekdroom> It's broken
[22:15] <didy> what's wrong how can i fix it?
[22:15] <daekdroom> It's broken, you can't fix it except by applying a patch.
[22:15] <daekdroom> or waiting for an upgrade
[22:15] <icanhasadmin> blekos: me? as i said i belive it's an ar5007, but lspci just says 242x which is very vague
[22:15] <Mathematician> Jaymac, can i get this new version of kernel with the daily build of ubuntu ?
[22:15] <didy> its broken means? ....
[22:15] <blekos> hmm
[22:15] <daekdroom> it's not working.
[22:16] <didy> for all ubuntu users?
[22:16] <blekos> dont know about that, but there is bug for 3945ABG
[22:16] <daekdroom> for those who have the lastest version of jockey-gtk and jockey packages
[22:16] <Jaymac> Mathematician: if your computer is fully up-to-date you should have it, or have it available as an upgrade
[22:16] <keithclark> Hi everyone!  I was in the middle of an upgrade when my laptop overheated and shutdown.  Now it only boots to a black screen and nothing else.  Any ideas on how to fix other than reinstall 7.10 and start the whole upgrade process over again?
[22:16] <daekdroom> Who didn't upgrade those packages yet still have "Hardware drivers" working.
[22:16] <didy> omg..
[22:17] <DVS01> hi
[22:17] <didy> so its not my problem right?
[22:17] <daekdroom> It's a beta OS, what'd you expect? >.>
[22:17] <daekdroom> Not caused by you, atleast.
[22:17] <didy> lucky i installed nvidia driver before patching..
[22:20] <KrimZon> is the internet deleting it every time i ask about lvpm?
[22:20] <IdleOne> internet deleting it?
[22:20] <IdleOne> deleting what?
[22:20] <KrimZon> my question
[22:21] <DVS01> that makes no sense
[22:21] <IdleOne> KrimZon: how is the internet supposed to delete something?
[22:21] <KrimZon> the means is less important than its motive
[22:21] <icanhasadmin> the internets is all powerful
[22:21] <|DuReX|> why doesn't it update-grub when installing new kernel ? :p
[22:22] <weirdbro> Is it just me, or is the sound system still having troubles?
[22:22] <IdleOne> KrimZon: can you ask your question again
[22:22] <KrimZon> basically i installed 8.04 in wubi and now i'm running out of space and need to put it on its own partition, only lvpm complains that i'm running it in the host when i'm definitely in the wubi install
[22:22] <IdleOne> just you weirdbro
[22:22] <weirdbro> I was told by a bug report to make amarok output in ESD to prevent a pulseaudio crash I had
[22:23] <weirdbro> But then VLC needed me to completely close amarok before it would output sound
[22:23] <weirdbro> and I can't even use totem because pulseaudio crashes
[22:23] <DVS01> is pulseaudio supposed to replace alsa?
[22:23] <aguitel> i cannot enable propietaries video driver in hardy
[22:23] <weirdbro> I thought it was suppose to emulate them all to prevent stuff like this
[22:23] <KrimZon> oh, and the actual question is what do i do to get it to work?
[22:23] <joel> hi all
[22:24] <Seveas> DVS01, pa lives on top of alsa
[22:24] <IdleOne> what does lvpm mean anyway? logical virtual partiton manager?
[22:24] <joel> anyone having issues with the latest set of updates
[22:24] <joel> ?
[22:24] <weirdbro> what kind of issues?
[22:24] <joel> I'm having a couple
[22:24] <joel> graphics for one
[22:24] <DVS01> does vinagre support output rescaling, and is it able to catch keypresses such as alt+f4?
[22:24] <KrimZon> IdleOne, yes
[22:24] <joel> the newest kernel isn't loading my nvidia driver
[22:24] <joel> when i go into the drivers it doesn't show it at all
[22:24] <joel> while in the old kernel it loaded no problem
[22:25] <|DuReX|> mmm :p
[22:25] <|DuReX|> something fuckd :(
[22:25] <IdleOne> KrimZon: the wubi install is a virtual install in the sense that it does not use/have it's own partiton. you are running ubuntu on a host system ( windows ) you cant resize a windows partiton on the fly unless using vista as I understand it
[22:26] <aguitel> i cannot enable propietaries video driver in hardy ,anyone know about this ??
[22:26] <joel> aguitel: I am having the issue with the newest kernel, try .15 instead
[22:26] <daekdroom> aguitel: the applet that does it isn't working since it got last updated.
[22:26] <IdleOne> !language | |DuReX|
[22:26] <ubotu> |DuReX|: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[22:26] <joel> has someone posted a bug report?
[22:26] <VanDyke> yay
[22:26] <VanDyke> doing partial upgrade
[22:27] <|DuReX|> mmmm
[22:27] <aguitel> joel , make clean install and i have only one kernel
[22:27] <|DuReX|> Begin: Waiting for root file system ... any id's ? :)
[22:27] <daekdroom> joel: Of course.
[22:27] <joel> aguitel: synaptic the old kernel
[22:27] <|DuReX|> -14 works perfect
[22:27] <joel> also, anyone having issues with Firefox beta release
[22:27] <|DuReX|> -16 is broken
[22:28] <aguitel> joel: what is the exact number of this kernel ?
[22:28] <VanDyke> o rly ?
[22:28] <blekos> do u believe if my wireless card works with wep using live-cd, will work if i install it as well?
[22:28] <VanDyke> I'm using -12 as of now
[22:28] <blekos> *wap
[22:28] <|DuReX|> can I scroll in the boot logs ?
[22:28] <|DuReX|> when its actually booting .. ?
[22:28] <VanDyke> not that I know of
[22:29] <KrimZon> lvpm is for putting it in its own partition though
[22:29] <VanDyke> what's the main difference between -generic and -rt kernels ?
[22:29] <TheInfinity> rt is realtime
[22:30] <TheInfinity> -> wikipedia tells the difference
[22:30] <joel> blekos: you should be able to get wireless to work but you'll have to install it every time (if you are using ndiswrapper or something like that_) and it'll save to RAM
[22:30] <mattius> Is there another hiding place for Hardy IPv6 experimenters or are we all here?
[22:30] <aguitel> joel: 2.6.24.15 ?
[22:30] <sailaway85> help I just install the ati drivers partial fail slow graphics  now
[22:30] <joel> aguitel: yeah that works fine
[22:30] <aguitel> joel: is not in synaptic
[22:31] <VanDyke> TheInfinity, can't open browser now...
[22:31] <VanDyke> heh
[22:31] <VanDyke> doing partial upgrade
[22:31] <joel> man....hmm let me think about another solution
[22:31] <alastair_> I installed emerald but I can't find a theme manager
[22:31] <TheInfinity> VanDyke: you dont need rt kernel if you dont know what it is :)
[22:31] <alastair_> my mistake
[22:31] <VanDyke> lol
[22:31] <alastair_> I can :P
[22:31] <sailaway85> root@linux-asus:~# sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite xorg-driver-fglrx_8.471-0*.deb fglrx-kernel-source_8.471-0*.deb fglrx-amdcccle_8.471-0*.deb
[22:31] <sailaway85> dpkg: error processing xorg-driver-fglrx_8.471-0*.deb (--install):
[22:31] <sailaway85>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[22:31] <sailaway85> dpkg: error processing fglrx-kernel-source_8.471-0*.deb (--install):
[22:31] <sailaway85>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[22:31] <sailaway85> dpkg: error processing fglrx-amdcccle_8.471-0*.deb (--install):
[22:31] <sailaway85>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[22:31] <sailaway85> Errors were encountered while processing:
[22:31] <sailaway85>  xorg-driver-fglrx_8.471-0*.deb
[22:32] <TheInfinity> !nopaste
[22:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nopaste - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:32] <TheInfinity> hmpf
[22:32] <Jaymac> !pastebin
[22:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[22:32] <daekdroom> !pastebin
[22:32] <VanDyke> sailaway85, pastebin please ?
[22:32] <sailaway85> sorry
[22:32] <TheInfinity> thanks ;)
[22:32] <daekdroom> sailaway85: It means those files don't exist.
[22:32] <blekos> i'm have i'm having the 3945 card which na uses the free drivers and its not always working
[22:32] <daekdroom> you should make sure that's the right name.
[22:32] <joel> aguitel: do you have all your repos enabled?
[22:33] <aguitel> joel: i gess ,what repo are you talking about ?
[22:33] <sailaway85> how do i reverse the install and get back what i had
[22:33] <keithclark>  Hi everyone!  I was in the middle of an upgrade when my laptop overheated and shutdown.  Now it only boots to a black screen and nothing else.  Any ideas on how to fix other than reinstall 7.10 and start the whole upgrade process over again?
[22:34] <daekdroom> sailaway85: you never had anything, actually. Those files never existed as those names.
[22:34] <mattius> Updated Hardy 8 hours ago, all frames desappeared from open windows.. hehh.
[22:34] <joel> aguitel: do gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment every line with deb
[22:34] <sailaway85> why is my graghics so slow
[22:34] <aguitel> joel: ok
[22:34] <joel> aguitel: do at your own risk though because you'll have unstable files in repos (I enable all of them and don't experience many issues)
[22:34] <daekdroom> sailaway85: you probally didn't install the driver right.
[22:34] <aguitel> joel: ok
[22:35] <joel> you shouldn't get extremely unstable, you'll just get slightly pre-release ;)
[22:35] <icanhasadmin> mattius: frames? you mean like the titlebars?
[22:35] <mattius> correct
[22:35] <icanhasadmin> mattius: Gnome or KDE?
[22:35] <sailaway85> I followed the ati recommendation and the last part of the install gave me those file errors
[22:35] <mattius> Gnome
[22:36] <|DuReX|> mmm :) reinstall of newest kernel worked :)
[22:36] <icanhasadmin> mattius: metacity --replace &
[22:36] <mattius> thanks
[22:36] <sailaway85> this is my 10 time at this... every time is something wrong
[22:36] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: what card?
[22:37] <sailaway85> ati 2600hd 512k pcie 700mhz
[22:37] <adelie42> help: fort some reason my keyboard layout isn't activated till after login. It still uses qwerty at the GDM.  :(
[22:37] <joel> aguitel: then look for linux-headers and look for the older one
[22:37] <Trollet> Hello, I'm using Ubuntu 8.04 Beta. I have a couple of problems to connect with DHCP to Internet trough my router. The problem is that the Ubuntu computer doesn't has the same netmask  and ip-spread as the other computer that is connected to Internet trough the same router. Is there anyone who think he/she has a sollution?
[22:37] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: that didn't particularly make sense. i just need to know what ati graphics card model you have
[22:38] <sailaway85> radeon?
[22:39] <TomW> whats the general compatibility for hardy?
[22:39] <TomW> is it good or bad?
[22:39] <VanDyke> good
[22:39] <TomW> sweet
[22:39] <TomW> and whats the upgrade procedure?
[22:39] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: radeon.. what? try 'lspci | grep ati' and see what it says
[22:39] <VanDyke> TomW, dunno, I did a fresh install
[22:40] <icanhasadmin> TomW: unless you have an atheros pci wifi card
[22:40] <TomW> nah, im on centrino
[22:40] <TomW> ok
[22:40] <TomW> can anyone help me with upgrade procedure?
[22:40] <aguitel> joel: i found it :linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic
[22:40] <icanhasadmin> TomW: there's not much to it
[22:40] <TomW> would dist-upgrade do it?
[22:40] <joel> yeah, install it then reboot
[22:40] <joel> select it from the Grub menu and you should be fine
[22:41] <aguitel> joel: only this file?
[22:41] <icanhasadmin> TomW: no
[22:41] <sailaway85> ATI Technologies Inc RV630 [Radeon HD 2600XT]
[22:41] <joel> it'll download any other things with it if you need it, but I think that will be enough
[22:41] <aguitel> joel: thankz
[22:41] <joel> sure thing, let us know if it works
[22:41] <icanhasadmin> TomW: do-release-upgrade -d <-- that's for a command line upgrade, if you want the suggested GUI with upgrade manager check ubuntu.com, click on the 8.04 banner, and scroll down to upgrade proceedure
[22:41] <aguitel> joel: ok
[22:41] <TomW> ok
[22:42] <TomW> cheers
[22:42] <TomW> :)
[22:42] <sailaway85> icanhasadmin: ATI Technologies Inc RV630 [Radeon HD 2600XT]
[22:43] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: i see, and what is the output of 'fglrxinfo'?
[22:44] <sailaway85> icanhasasmin: OpenGL vendor string: Brian Paul
[22:44] <sailaway85> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa X11
[22:44] <sailaway85> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.0.3-rc
[22:45] <todd_> I just downloaded the latest batch of updates this morning and I have an evolution-data-(something) process eating up 100% of the cpu and my mouse no longer works ... any idea how to resolve this?
[22:45] <usser> todd_, get to terminal and killall -9 evolution
[22:45] <ALiENz> hi all
[22:45] <ALiENz> i need help
[22:45] <ALiENz> i have rebootted and now i dunno why
[22:45] <ALiENz> gnome if i start somethink lock all
[22:45] <todd_> usser: won't it just come back next time I reboot?  it seems to
[22:45] <ALiENz> how i can do?
[22:46] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: and describe to me the method of how you tried to install fglrx?
[22:46] <usser> todd_, does it huh? hm it shouldnt, do u use evolution?
[22:46] <ALiENz> i have tried to delete .gnome2 but nothing
[22:46] <ALiENz> i dunno how i ca do
[22:46] <ALiENz> °°
[22:46] <ALiENz> please help me :(
[22:46] <cybojanek> I just installed ubuntu hardy 8.04 and I have no sound. I use an audogy 2 zs platinum pro sound card.
[22:46] <todd_> usser: I haven't started it since I installed 8.04 beta, no
[22:47] <TomW> !enter | ALiENz
[22:47] <ubotu> ALiENz: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[22:47] <usser> todd_, whats the exact name of the proccess?
[22:47] <inspired12> anyone have any experience with the BusyBox thing? I am trying to install hardy with Wubi, and it drops to the busybox thing on reboot
[22:47] <inspired12> I can't get it to finish the instalation
[22:47] <todd_> evolution-data-server-2.22
[22:47] <usser> todd_, aha i see
[22:48] <gregcha117> gah can someone please help me i havent had sound for ages in ubuntu and cant figure out whats causing the problem
[22:48] <sailaway85> ubuntu way 1st then manual way with ati driver from their site
[22:48] <sailaway85> ubuntu way 1st then manual way with ati driver from their site
[22:48] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: and you got an error during dpkg'ing?
[22:48] <usser> todd_, hm dunno try to reinstall it maybe
[22:48] <TomW> !repeat | sailaway85
[22:49] <ubotu> sailaway85: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[22:49] <sailaway85> sorrow im new at this and forgot to put the name in
[22:49] <cybojanek> I just installed ubuntu hardy 8.04 and I have no sound. I use an audogy 2 zs platinum pro sound card.
[22:50] <todd_> usser: reinstall what?  8.04 beta?  I have no reason to believe it won't happen again as it didn't start happening until I applied today's updates and I'd be applying those same updates if I reinstalled ...
[22:50] <usser> todd_, no i mean reinstall evolution
[22:50] <joel> todd: have you tried running the older kernel?
[22:50] <joel> seems like it's screwed up a lot of htings
[22:51] <usser> todd_, evolution-data-server
[22:51] <sailaway85> then ubuntu method didn't work then the manual method went fine until sudo dpkg -i xorg-driver-fglrx_8.471-0*.deb fglrx-kernel-source_8.471-0*.deb fglrx-amdcccle_8.471-0*.deb
[22:52] <todd_> joel: no, I haven't tried that; are older kernels available from the boot menu or how am I supposed to access an old kernel?
[22:52] <joel> Todd: should be available in Grub unless you just installed Hardy
[22:52] <usser> todd_, press ESC when your comp just start to boot
[22:53] <todd_> I'll give it a shot later this evening
[22:54] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: oh well there's your problem
[22:55] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: you only need to depackage the first 2, amdcccle is unnecesary, in fact, it may have even installed succesfully. you just need to edit your xorg.conf to load the fglrx driver instead of mesa
[22:57] <sailaway85> icanhasadmin: Whats the script for the driver?
[22:59] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf <-- under section "Device" change Driver to "fglrx"
[23:00] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: then save, and restart x (ctrl+alt+backspace)
[23:00] <DanaG> !gksu
[23:00] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[23:00] <ethana2> ....because apps use libraries to draw their windows
[23:00] <ethana2> instead of the other way around
[23:00] <ethana2> *sigh*
[23:00] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: sorry, i almost always suggest nano, that's why I'm not used to it
[23:01] <icanhasadmin> gedit tho is pretty indifferent from sudo/gksudo, generally speaking
[23:01] <DanaG> It's not a dire thing, but it's good to remember anyway.
[23:01] <icanhasadmin> yes thank you
[23:01] <ethana2> DanaG: just a symptom, imo
[23:02] <icanhasadmin> I'm now installing something for the 734th time, and it'll probabaly crash like it did the first 733rd time, so if i disappear i'll be back soon.
[23:03] <sailaway85> icanhasadmin:  there is nothing in the file
[23:03] <DanaG> Odd: even if I manually enable laptop-mode, and set hdparm parameter to 1, and set spindown time very short.... the drive never ever spins down automatically.
[23:03] <DanaG> Ever.
[23:04] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: then either you typed it wrong or i typed it wrong, don't forget the capital X... /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:05] <DanaG> Hard drive power management is way broken.
[23:05] <jimmygoon> does cp automatically overwrite?
[23:05] <stefg> What's the 'new' way of configuring the gdm reso? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't work no more :( once i'm logged in reso is proper at 1440x900 but gdm seems stuck at 1680 or 1900 (monitor is set in displayconfig-gtk)
[23:07] <DanaG> Any idea how to get the drive to actually spin down?
[23:08] <icanhasadmin> stefg: you can edit your xorg :P there's a command replaced dpkg-reconfigure but i can't remember what it is
[23:08] <DanaG> Oddly enough, spinning it down manually with hdparm -y actually works... and it stays spun down.
[23:08] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: that actually is very odd
[23:09] <joel> can anyone explain why Ubuntu runs so much hotter than Windows?
[23:09] <joel> my roomates and I have all noticed it on our laptops
[23:09] <stefg> DanaG:  hdparm /dev/<device> -Y ... at least if you still have hd* devices
[23:10] <icanhasadmin> doesn't the -Y as opposed to -y force sleep mode?
[23:10] <aguitel> joel: it is worst with kernel 2.6.24-15 ,no effects no sound
[23:10] <DanaG> Odd... I did -Y capital, and nothing happened.
[23:10] <stefg> yeah.. wasn't the question how to make the drive spin down?
[23:10] <joel> aguitel: try -14
[23:10] <DanaG> It was already spun down from the -y.
[23:10] <joel> aguitel: might as well to test it
[23:11] <DanaG> Then I tried 'cat /dev/sda' and it actually hung with the drive not even trying to spin up, for about 30 seconds.
[23:11] <DanaG> [  752.394717] ata3.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x1 SErr 0x0 action 0x2
[23:11] <DanaG> [  752.394727] ata3.00: waking up from sleep
[23:11]  * icanhasadmin is about to modprobe ath_pci... is expecting a segmentation fault
[23:11] <DanaG> Essentially, the port itself stopped responding.
[23:12] <aguitel> joel: 14 is not in synaptic
[23:12] <weirdbro> Amarok randomly freezes on me, and when I force quit it, tons of things go wrong
[23:12] <weirdbro> force quit freezes
[23:12] <weirdbro> then panels freeze
[23:12] <sailaway85> icanhasdmin: its already in xorg.conf  & the idenifier is aticonfig-Device[0]
[23:13] <joel> weirdbro: try another player then
[23:13] <weirdbro> and gnome-terminal stops working
[23:13] <weirdbro> But it all starts working
[23:13] <DanaG> Hmm, capital Y worked too.
[23:13] <icanhasadmin> how cow i think it works.
[23:13] <weirdbro> once I kill pulseaudio
[23:13] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: what do you mean? does it specificially say Driver "fglrx" under Section "Device"?
[23:14] <joel> aguitel: maybe it's time to go back to Gutsy until official release?
[23:14] <sailaway85> icanhasadmin: yes
[23:14] <DanaG> Hmm: do hdparm -C: get active/idle.
[23:14] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: then i need you to pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:14] <DanaG> Give it -Y to sleep, and then check: get standby.
[23:14] <DanaG> ... and it wakes up the drive after that.
[23:16] <aguitel> joel: to much work
[23:16] <joel> lol
[23:16] <joel> I installed Gutsy in 6 minutes ;)
[23:16] <sailaway85> icanhasadmin: sorry never done that .. dont know the sintax
[23:16] <icanhasadmin> !paste sailaway85
[23:16]  * icanhasadmin facepalms
[23:16] <icanhasadmin> !pastebin sailaway85
[23:17]  * icanhasadmin facepalms again
[23:17] <joel> will Hardy be ready in time....seems like there are still quite a few bugs
[23:17] <DanaG> Any insight on the nonworking spindown?
[23:17] <joel> I've posted at least 5
[23:17] <icanhasadmin> what the heck is the trigger for the pastebin factoid?
[23:17] <DanaG> !paste
[23:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[23:18] <icanhasadmin> oh.. guess i need to use a | or something between that and a name?
[23:18] <DanaG> yeah, I think that's it.
[23:18] <icanhasadmin> So i have a funny issue. i can modprobe this mod, i can use it and manipulate it, and it works.. but the second i try to rmmod it i get a horrible segmentation fault and my ram gets eaten till i reboot
[23:19] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone know if there is a fix for jockey-gtk crash?
[23:19] <sailaway85> !pastebin  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:20] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: not quite
[23:20] <DanaG> How can I make spindown work?
[23:20] <mheath> Sergeant_Pony: Have you looked at Launchpad?
[23:20] <mheath> icanhasadmin: You're not using forced module removal, are you?
[23:20] <DanaG> The fact that it doesn't work seems odd to me... it seems like a sign that OTHER things may be broken with hard drive power management.
[23:20] <daekdroom> Sergeant_Pony: There's one which removes the line that causes the crash. But it removes a feature, as far as I know.
[23:20] <superm1> what happened to the "places" thing in nautilus for cameras? my PTP camera showed up roughly a few weeks ago, but stopped..
[23:21] <mheath> icanhasadmin: and...what module are you asking about?
[23:21] <icanhasadmin> mheath: no, just a reg sudo rmmod
[23:21] <icanhasadmin> mheath: ath_pci
[23:21] <sailaway85> !pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:22] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: you need to gedit /var/log/Xorg.0.log in terminal, then copy all the file, then go to www.pastebin.com and paste the info, then click submit and copy and paste the url in the channel for me
[23:22] <Sergeant_Pony> daekdroom mine crashes but I'm not sure why... doesn't say
[23:23] <daekdroom> sergeant_Pony: it's a reported bug that happens to everyone who has the lastest jockey-gtk.
[23:23] <mheath> Sergeant_Pony: Like I said several times, check launchpad.
[23:23] <sailaway85> icanhasadmin: ok thanks for all the info .... buy u a beer.... heading there now
[23:23] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: so i got my wifi to work with that same patch i told you about, but i can't rmmod ath_pci without my kernel seg faulting :P
[23:24] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: you can thank me when i get your DRI working :P
[23:24] <Sergeant_Pony> daekdroom I did a search and there are litterley alot of them
[23:24] <mheath> icanhasadmin: if you don't want a module, you can blacklist it and prevent it from ever being loaded int he first place.
[23:25] <icanhasadmin> mheath: no that's the problem. i need it, and i use it. i just am confused out of my mind as to why i can't shut it down if i want
[23:25] <mheath> icanhasadmin: It sounds like a bad module.
[23:25] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin: really? mine works great. I have it setup to rmmod on boot and it's setup with wired to connect.
[23:25] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: mheath: it seems bad, except it works :P just can't rmmod it, very odd
[23:25] <T1m0thy> Firefox closes whenever I load a YouTube video or login to MySpace.. :\ I usually have to open it a couple times and go back before it finally works.
[23:25] <icanhasadmin> T1m0thy: known bug
[23:25] <T1m0thy> Alright.
[23:26] <T1m0thy> That's good. :)
[23:26] <icanhasadmin> T1m0thy: not really, no fix in sight
[23:26] <Sergeant_Pony> icanhasadmin: yea... that is odd
[23:26] <mheath> icanhasadmin: every module has a function thats supposed to 'clean up' when you unload the module
[23:26] <T1m0thy> oh......
[23:26] <T1m0thy> :S
[23:26] <icanhasadmin> T1m0thy: it's generally worse if you have compiz running, try metacity --replace and mess with it again
[23:26] <mheath> icanhasadmin: Sounds like that function for this module is broken.
[23:26] <T1m0thy> I'm using Openbox.
[23:26] <icanhasadmin> mheath: very good, thank you for the info
[23:26] <icanhasadmin> T1m0thy: then i have not the clue :/
[23:27] <Sergeant_Pony> is there a log I cna look at to see why jockey-gtk is crashing?
[23:28] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: That isn't fixed?
[23:28] <Sergeant_Pony> jockey-gtk?
[23:28] <icanhasadmin> Sergeant_Pony: ya
[23:29] <Sergeant_Pony> I guess there is a workaround but it disables somehting else
[23:29] <Sergeant_Pony> I need to find out why mine is barfing
[23:30] <martiini> someone help me with broadcom b43 module ... after  dist-upgrade my broadcom wireless doesnt work with latest kerne
[23:30] <crimsun> martiini: either use b43-fwcutter manually, or use jockey.
[23:30] <martiini> reinstalling b43-firmwarecutter does not work
[23:31] <martiini> wlan0 does not come up with any latest kernel .. although 2.6.24-12 works fine
[23:32] <martiini> crimsun:  hei, can you help me troubleshoot the problem .. I have tried modprobe , reinstalling fwcutter ..
[23:33] <crimsun> there is documentation on the wiki
[23:33] <crimsun> I have to leave, sorry
[23:35] <Sergeant_Pony> this is different: Apr 12 08:36:44 Voyager pulseaudio[6606]: alsa-util.c: Unable to load mixer: No such file or directory
[23:37] <azmodie> hi all, my network cards just stoped routing traffic. it will connect to ap but i cant ping it or any other ip. any ideas ? thanks.
[23:37] <Pirate_Hunter> hardy seems to manage memory well FF 3 has gone over the roof consuming ram and i havent seen my cpu at 100%
[23:37] <sailaway85> icanhasadmin: http://pastebin.com/m268b0f77
[23:38] <adinc> hello, does compiz work with hardy again?
[23:38] <Pirate_Hunter> conky seems to act slow since transmission is working but than it could be the 1.15 refresh delay, who knows i sure dont
[23:38] <Pirate_Hunter> adinc: it should
[23:38] <azmodie> adinc: works no problem on mine.
[23:38] <adinc> Pirate_Hunter: after an upgrade it doesnt work yet, do i have to restart x?
[23:39] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: yep, your drivers are borked still for some reason. are you running hardy?
[23:39] <sailaway85> icanhasadmin: yes hardy...
[23:40] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: sudo apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx*
[23:40] <Pirate_Hunter> adinc: im not the best person to help you on the issue as im testing hardy myself also i dont use compiz (dont be shocked) but yeah stick around and ask again after a few minutes also it wont be a bad idea to restart/reboot just incase
[23:42] <adinc> which packages do i need again for compiz to work?
[23:42] <spiderfire> no restricted modules yet for the new kernel?
[23:42] <icanhasadmin> adinc: #compiz-fusion for help
[23:42] <adinc> icanhasadmin: can they tell me which ubuntu packages i need?
[23:43] <spiderfire> am i mistaken?
[23:43] <xtknight> adinc, probably compiz-gnome
[23:43] <icanhasadmin> spiderfire: er.. i thought i saw them in synaptic
[23:43] <xtknight> spiderfire, there should be restricted drivers for the new kernel
[23:43] <spiderfire> looking
[23:44] <sailaway85> icanhasadmin: ok I will
[23:44] <sailaway85> icanhasadmin: got this error msg.....dpkg - warning: while removing xorg-driver-fglrx, directory `/etc/ati' not empty so not removed.
[23:45] <spiderfire> icanhasadmin: xtknight you are right. i see them thanks
[23:46] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: that's not really an error
[23:47] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: now go to system->administration->hardware drivers, and click the little box thingy and have RDM do all the work
[23:47] <martiini> someone help me with broadcom b43 module ... after  dist-upgrade my broadcom wireless doesnt work with latest kerne. How can it be that b43 module worked with 2.6.24-12 but will not work with any newer kernels?
[23:48] <azmodie> martiini: have u tryed "sudo apt-get purge b43-fwcutter" then "sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter"
[23:48] <icanhasadmin> martiini: it works fine, you just probabaly have to recompile it
[23:48] <martiini> why does b43-fwcutter reinstall not work though?
[23:49] <icanhasadmin> martiini: could be any number of reasons.
[23:49] <martiini> icanhasadmin:  so I need to recompile it for the latest kernel
[23:49] <sailaway85> acanhasdmin: thanks ..  but the hardware drivers is empty ... disappeared after install and reboot
[23:49] <icanhasadmin> i'm guessing it's a restricted driver or something you compiled yourself, then yes you just very well might have to.
[23:50] <martiini> ok then
[23:50] <martiini> sigh
[23:52] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: are you using -16?
[23:53] <sailaway85> icanhasadmin: i feel stupid -16?
[23:53] <icanhasadmin> sailaway85: when you first boot and grub comes up.. it should give you options for different kernel versions.. -16 being the newest. are you fully updated?
[23:54] <sailaway85> I'll check and get back to you ... thanks .. see you later with beer.
[23:56] <VanDyke> -15 and -16 are borked
[23:57] <VanDyke> -12 works nice
[23:57] <macogw> -15's working fine for me
[23:57] <macogw> havent installed -16 yet
[23:58] <macogw> or maybe just havent rebooted/had a hard drive crash yet