azeemslangasek: I think the google-calendar issue is a bug in python-4suite-xml rather, I've reassigned the Debian bug.  Not sure what to do about it for hardy though00:01
FujitsuAny motu-release people around?00:01
slangasekazeem: ok, I'll take a peek at this sometime over the weekend00:06
azeemeasiest would be to apply doko's one line patch to 0.22-400:07
azeem0.22-5 is botched00:07
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xtknighthmm FTBFS for tex4ht ( Build-Depends-Indep dependency for tex4ht cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package java-gcj-compat-dev can satisfy version requirements ) + bug 21602700:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 216027 in tex4ht "[hardy] unmet dependency blocking upgrade of tex4ht" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21602700:49
xtknightwhat do we do if a whole package is broken like this, after the freeze?00:49
slangasek1) we swear at whoever it was who asked for that package to be synced00:50
slangasekoh wait, maybe we don't do that00:51
slangasekwe can, however, twist doko's arm and demand that he fix it :)00:52
slangasekoh, no00:54
slangasekdoko requested it originally, but the latest sync was someone else reopening the sync bug instead of filing their own00:54
slangasekhmm, and mok0's not here to have his arm twisted. :)00:54
slangasek... or, on reflection, this is entirely my fault because it was meant to be synced from testing instead of from unstable, which means I grabbed the wrong version, hooray!00:55
* xtknight sports a puzzled look on his face00:55
slangasekbug #13123900:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131239 in tex4ht "sync request" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13123900:55
xtknightoh well.  sync happens.00:58
slangasekwell, I think this is fixable just by relaxing the build-dependency00:59
slangasek(doesn't ensure that the package from unstable is usable, but we have to take our chances there :/)00:59
xtknightso it's too late to grab the testing version or too unfeasible at this stage?01:00
slangasekit's too late to do it as a sync, because hardy already has a higher version number01:00
slangasekso it'd have to be an epoch (meaning Debian and Ubuntu would never sync again), or a faked version number (meaning Ubuntu couldn't sync again until the next upstream version)01:00
slangasekI'm going to try the trivial fix01:00
slangasekif it doesn't work, do you want to punch me to get me to try the less trivial fix? :)01:01
xtknight"debian and ubuntu would never sync again" sounds like the universe is ripping apart at the seams01:01
azeemthere's probably a secret "invent bogus reasons to bump epoch in Debian, so we can sync again" agency somewhere01:02
FujitsuI had to add an epoch to an Ubuntu package once, but the Debian maintainer emailed me shortly afterwards saying he'd add it to his next Debian upload to make it less painful.01:03
Fujitsu(in this case it was due to a naming conflict with an Ubuntu-specific package)01:03
xtknightcompiles just fine if you make the java deps >= 1.0.77 (note, compiles fine)01:09
slangasekyep, that's the trivial fix I'm currently attempting01:10
xtknightand it runs although i haven't put any tex files through it01:10
xtknighthow would a newer version of tex4ht but the same old version of tex4ht-common get in the archive?  aren't things synced by using source?  if so how did one binary package get built just fine on the build farm?01:11
xtknighti mean both come from tex4ht source package01:11
slangasekxtknight: because the -common package is arch: all, which means it only gets built once for all archs; so every other architecture, whose buildd isn't supposed to build the arch: all packages, gets the updated tex4ht package without tex4ht-common01:12
xtknightit seems as though it should automatically file a launchpad bug if a build fails, or notify somebody.  maybe that somebody just hasn't noticed01:14
awmcclainIs there a good channel for asking non-basic debhelper questions?01:16
xtknighthere or #debian i think01:17
awmcclainOk. I'm trying to fix up an existing (poorly maintained) package for ubuntu. In the <package>.install file, it has lines like "usr/bin/perlbal     /usr/sbin". Is that first line referring to the directory that gets built in the debian folder? i.e. debian/<package>/usr/sbin ?01:20
awmcclainWhich dh_* creates those build directories (and the files within)? dh_installdirs?01:23
slangasekdh_install is what processes .install files01:24
awmcclainRight, but how does "debian/<package>/usr/bin" get created in the first place? Doesn't dh_install go from your build directories (debian/<package>/usr/bin/perlbal) to your system directories (/usr/sbin)?01:27
awmcclainI guess that's why I'm confused... it seems like the line "usr/bin/perlbal /usr/sbin" is referencing a file IN the build directories, but at the same time, dh_install CREATES those files. Seems circular to me.01:29
slangasekno, dh_install copies files from <wherever> to debian/<package>/<specified directory>01:31
slangasekdh_install has a manpage that's supposed to explain this :)01:31
awmcclainIt does, and I've read it, but I'm confused about this specific line01:32
awmcclaini'm guessing01:32
awmcclainthe makefile in the PARENT of debian01:32
awmcclainis creating a usr/bin/ directory01:32
slangasekas part of the install target, normally, yes01:33
awmcclainahh, i misphrased my first question, which is what got me confused01:33
awmcclainLast question. I've looked through the debian policy manual and the maintainers guide, I know that template conf files should go in /usr/share/<package>. Is there a standard place to put them in my build package? Can I just make a defaults/ directory as a sibling to debian/ and install it with perlball.install, or is there a special debhelper for that (like for docs)?01:38
awmcclainOr would it make more sense to place them within my debian/ folder?01:40
slangasekit's customary to limit oneself to the debian/ directory within the source package01:40
awmcclainMakes sense. And then i could just use "debian/perbal.conf.default /usr/share/perlbal" in my .install file.01:41
awmcclainOr "debian/defaults/perlbal.conf.default /usr/share/perlbal"01:42
awmcclainOk. Thank you very much.01:43
bddebianHeya gang02:10
* slangasek waves02:11
bddebianHello slangasek02:14
* blueyed is buffled that we have b2evolution in Ubuntu? I remember having asked for it some time ago and somehow it must have been in there already.. totally outdated.02:18
blueyedThere's the current stable release in Debian now. So it should get either synced or removed. (I'm part of upstream)02:19
slangasekblueyed: please file a bug against the ubuntu package requesting removal, and subscribe ubuntu-archive02:38
blueyedslangasek: I would rather like to request a sync/upload. Found already typos in the german templates. Or is removal the only option?02:38
slangasekwe're in hard freeze02:39
slangasekyou can request a sync through motu-release, but I guess they'll probably say no?02:39
blueyedok, better this way anyway. People should not be stuck at this version for up to 5 years.. :D02:39
blueyedslangasek: status of the bug? new?02:40
slangasekblueyed: "confirmed,medium"02:41
FujitsuTheMuso: Shouldn't vlc only recommend the pulse plugin?04:14
HobbseeTheMuso: ping04:27
FujitsuHobbsee: Can you poke things through UNAPPROVED, please?04:27
FujitsuIf LP works now, that is.04:28
HobbseeFujitsu: no.  i tried that last night.  They broke it again.04:28
FujitsuSo I saw.04:28
Hobbseehmm, i'll try it again, i asked cprov to tell me when he'd fixed it, though04:28
HobbseeFujitsu: nah, it's still broken.04:29
FujitsuHobbsee: Lovely.04:30
HobbseeFujitsu: i hope for a cherry pick.  I'm going to get really annoyed if they don't fix it before the next rollout.04:30
HobbseeFujitsu: then again, if they don't fix it before the next rollout, we'll know they didn't actually test the new bits in the rollout.04:31
FujitsuBut having no universe archive admins pre-release is *fun*.04:31
FujitsuWe have no usable archive admins outside very western Europe now, do we?04:31
Hobbseemm, correct.04:31
FujitsuHm, and the US, actually.04:31
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HobbseeFujitsu: yeah, that's why i tried for him.04:32
superm1RAOF, you here?05:51
TheMusoHobbsee: pong05:53
TheMusoFujitsu: Did you read the bug in the changelog?05:53
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FujitsuTheMuso: I did not.07:51
FujitsuTheMuso: Recommends are installed by default, and we're going to get hordes of people complaining that they can no longer get rid of PA>07:54
AnAntHello, how can I create a source.changes file for a source package ?09:38
hyperairjoin #ubuntu-devel09:41
hyperairwhoops forgot the /09:41
xtknightAnAnt, run debuild -S09:41
hyperaireheheh hi xtknight09:41
AnAntxtknight: should I unpack the source package ?09:41
xtknightAnAnt, yes where did the source package come from ?  a tarball or debian?09:42
AnAntxtknight: I got dsc + diff.gz + orig tarball09:42
hyperairabout Bug #201462 and Bug #18693809:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 201462 in gksu "nautilus-gksu stopped working in hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20146209:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 186938 in nautilus-wallpaper "nautilus-wallpaper not working in hardy heron after update to nautilus-2.21.6" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18693809:42
xtknightAnAnt, dpkg-source -x *.dsc09:42
AnAntI downloaded them09:42
AnAntok thaks09:42
xtknightAnAnt, cd resultingdir ; debuild -S09:42
hyperairi should submit a featurefreeeze exception eh?09:42
xtknighthyperair, yup that would be mandatory to provide the info there.  i dont know if it's featurefreeze, because it's not a new feature.09:43
xtknightwell i dont know for sure09:43
xtknightnever filed one myself09:43
hyperairi haven't either09:44
hyperairwhat's diffstat?09:44
hyperairi've never heard of it09:44
AnAntxtknight: thanks09:44
xtknighthyperair, i think this is what you want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-4bba384c89c09d141f4e2cc06816d0405593db5c09:45
xtknightyou basically edit the bug's description with the info requested there09:45
xtknighthyperair, the only thing is, what you posted on those bugs were not debdiffs, not sure what they are09:52
hyperairi did debdiff somedeb someotherdeb > bla.debdiff09:53
hyperairit isn't?09:53
xtknightah you have to use the dsc files09:53
xtknightdebdiff somedeb-ubuntu0.dsc somedeb-ubuntu1.dsc > bla.debdiff09:53
hyperairwhen i did that it complained that it wanted debs09:53
xtknightyou already got it on your ppa so you should have all you need09:53
hyperairyeah i have both dscs on my comp09:54
xtknighti mean all you need to generate the debdiffs09:54
hyperairit says...09:54
hyperairdebdiff: fatal error at line 262:09:54
hyperairNeed exactly two deb files or changes files to compare09:54
xtknightuhhh dunno.  make a new folder like orig, download original dsc to there and then do it09:55
DarkMageZanyone remember the command that'll download the whole source package including .orig.tar.gz & diff.gz & .dsc just by pointing it at the .dsc?09:55
lifelessapt-get source ?09:56
xtknightdoesnt seem possible09:56
hyperairnevermind i think i managed it09:57
xtknightwell it's 5am here... sweet dreams09:58
DarkMageZlifeless, nope :(. i ment the one that'll pull the source package from "*something* https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libvisual-plugins/0.4.0.dfsg.1-2/+files/libvisual-plugins_0.4.0.dfsg.1-2.dsc"09:58
hyperairgdnight then xtknight. thanks for the help09:59
DarkMageZi know apt-get source libvisual-plugins would work in this case, but if i was pulling from debian or an older version of ubuntu.09:59
hyperairi don't think it's very hard to just download three packages10:16
hyperairi mean three files10:16
hyperairorig.tar.gz, diff.gz, and dsc10:16
hyperairjust three10:16
DarkMageZhyperair, when you're downloading 30 or so, cause you're doing something big. then it's important. it's a shame i can't remember what the command for that tool is.10:31
hyperairi remember reading something like that recently10:31
hyperairtry searching in the ubuntu packaging guide10:32
hyperairsomewhere in ubuntu wiki10:33
hyperaircould be there10:33
DarkMageZhyperair, ah. yes it was in there. thanks.10:35
hyperairthe program is dget10:35
DarkMageZthey've really modernised the packaging guide since i last saw it. nice.10:37
hyperairthat's true10:37
hyperairsay, have you filed a featurefreeze exception request before?10:37
hyperairi'm not very sure how10:37
hyperairshould i modify an existing bug to add the required info, or should i file a new bug?10:38
DktrKranzmotu-release guys, is it OK to upload bug 194190? FFe granted already.10:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 194190 in cacti "Please sync cacti 0.8.7b-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19419010:50
FujitsuPlease please please sync it. Though I'm not motu-release.10:53
DktrKranzFujitsu, that would be a merge, though, but I guess we want it in since it has several fixes, especially security-related.11:03
DktrKranz(and an annoying bug during postinst)11:04
FujitsuBetter to fix them before release than after.11:04
DktrKranzYes, it would be a SRU candidate too11:04
DktrKranzso, let's fix here :)11:04
FujitsuSRU+security == ewww11:04
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chewithi, i need help creating a deb file from source12:38
HobbseeTheMuso: retroactive ack for bip, thanks.12:53
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sebnerDktrKranz: buon giorno :)14:24
DktrKranzheya sebner! :)14:24
elmargolHow do I sign my source?14:25
elmargoli create a new package using dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot14:26
azeemslangasek: hah, I got some 4suite people to fix the goog-cal plugin to work with python-4suite-xml14:26
geserelmargol: then dpkg-buildpackage should sign it (or at least try to), but you can also use debsign on the _source.changes file14:27
elmargolOh the problem is somewhere else.. somehow the result files of pbuilder arent signed anymore :(14:29
elmargol+ the source is not in my results folder14:30
crimsunsigh.  people using Debian's sysv-rc 2.86.ds1-5x and expecting things to work in Ubuntu.14:30
sebnerDktrKranz: willing to review something? *once again* ^^14:33
DktrKranzsebner, if you have ACK from motu-release, sure14:34
sebnerDktrKranz: I have :)14:34
elmargolsomeone knows why I dont hate a orig.tar.gz gile in my results folder?14:34
sebnerDktrKranz: debdiff is really small though ^^ bug #21627714:34
DktrKranzsebner, ok, point me to some bug numbers, I need do so some housekeeping, but I'll look at them later14:35
sebnerdamn ubotu14:35
sebnerDktrKranz: thx :)14:35
sebnerDktrKranz: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-numpy/+bug/21627714:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 216277 in python-numpy "missing parentheses in /usr/share/pyshared/numpy/f2py/rules.py" [Undecided,New]14:35
sebnerubotu: good boy :)14:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about good boy :) - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi14:35
DktrKranzis a bad boy, then14:36
DktrKranzboy, or bot, it depends14:36
sebnerDktrKranz: nvm. I like (crazy) bots :D14:36
geserHobbsee: what info are needed to get an ACK for a sync request right now?15:36
elmargolI have a package on my ppa wich depends a package on my ppa... dow do I include this?16:19
Hobbseeelmargol: ppa questions in #launchpad16:20
Hobbseeit's not on topic for here16:20
mok0_elmargol: I don't think you have to do anything16:21
protonchrisDuring the final freeze how many motu-release acks do I need before I subscribe u-u-s?16:25
mok0_protonchris: still 2 acks16:26
protonchrismok0_: thanks.16:26
LaserJockmorning all16:27
mok0_Hey LaserJock16:29
protonchrisHey LaserJock16:30
apacheloggersiretart: please take a look at my debdiff for bug #17633216:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 176332 in amarok "amarok does not work with pulseaudio [hardy]" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17633216:41
Mirvwould someone have time to sponsor the compizconfig-settings-manager which got broken for Finnish as the 0.7.4 got uploaded? bug 216211 - .dsc from my PPA and debdiff attached16:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 216211 in compizconfig-settings-manager "ccsm Finnish translation broken again" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21621116:41
Mirvit does nothing besides fixing the PO/fi.po file16:42
mok0_Mirv: you need to get 2 acks from motu-release first16:47
sebnermok0_: 116:48
crimsunjust one ack.  I'm pretty we enacted that change way back in the first MC.16:48
crimsunpretty sure, even16:48
DktrKranzScottK (or someone from motu-release), is it OK to proceed with bug 194190?16:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 194190 in cacti "Please sync cacti 0.8.7b-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19419016:49
affluxanyone from ubuntu-desktop available for ACKing bug 215714 ?16:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 215714 in nautilus-python "The path for python extensions should be reflect the 2.0 api" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21571416:51
siretartapachelogger: that one is a dupe of a xine-lib bug. test package is available, up to now only one tester has reported back17:06
apacheloggersiretart: is the test package in the archives?17:07
siretartapachelogger: in the motumedia PPA17:07
apacheloggersiretart: gonna test it17:08
apacheloggerbut if you used the same patch it should work without problems ;-)17:08
siretartI'm currently on a local lug event, I'll look a bit later at it17:09
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apacheloggersiretart: k17:09
RainCTwhich command reads debian/manpages, dh_installman or dh_installmanpages?17:14
LaserJockdh_installman is the one you want17:15
LaserJockreall man dh_installmanpages17:15
RainCTLaserJock: thanks17:23
Mirvmok0_: ok.17:33
Mirvmok0_: oh, actually I thought on some motu-release mailing list, but there's no such. so where exactly I should get the ack from?17:34
Mirvjust here asking from some in the motu release team to put some "ack" in the bug report?17:35
Mirv(a post says either file a bug report (already done) or ask on irc...)17:37
pochuMirv: did you subscribe the team to the bug report?17:37
Mirvpochu: yep.17:37
Mirvbug 21621117:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 216211 in compizconfig-settings-manager "ccsm Finnish translation broken again" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21621117:38
pochuthat should be enough then... you could also ask someone here, although I don't promise you they'll be around ;)17:38
Mirvok, I'll wait until Mon or Tue. hopefully people have time to handle these (everyone's quite busy anyway, whether paid of volunteer..)17:39
RainCTanother stupid question.. does using $(CURDIR) or not using it make any difference (ie, might it FTBFS somewhere without it)?17:43
LaserJocknot sure about a FTBFS17:44
LaserJockactually, yeah it could do that17:44
LaserJockif it was trying to cp or something a file that no long exists where it thinks it does17:45
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zasfI'm trying to build this package wich recentrly switched from configure to autogen.sh17:47
zasfdo I need to change control file?17:47
RainCTLaserJock: ok, thanks again17:48
LaserJockzasf: usually autogen.sh just creates a .configure17:48
zasfhem.. you see, I'm not that expert17:49
zasfpbuilder complains that17:49
zasfchmod: cannot access `/tmp/buildd/gnome-applets-2.23.0/./configure': No such file or directory17:49
LaserJockyeah, because autogen.sh has to be run to create it17:50
LaserJockoften times that's done before an official release17:50
zasfah, so does it mean I have to run autogen in my source dir before debuild?17:51
tuxmaniacHi folks! what could be the reason for configure to run twice? any general reason possible or is it case to case?17:51
zasfLaserJock: I added a 'DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT := $(CURDIR)/$(DEB_SRCDIR)/autogen.sh' to debian/rules.. let's see18:00
RainCTif a package needs tar, should it depend on it or is it supposed to be always installed?18:04
RainCTor rather, is ubuntu-minimal always installed?18:04
StevenKEssential: yes18:05
StevenKtar can not be removed without apt having a major hissy fit18:06
RainCTah, right. thanks18:07
RainCT(lintian) W: packjam: new-package-should-close-itp-bug18:14
RainCTshould this be patched to look for LP instead of Closes?18:14
pochuperhaps it should be changed in Debian so that if it has 'ubuntu' in the version string, it looks for LP instead of Closes18:19
RainCTpochu: do you know if they have accepted any change like that before?18:19
pochuthey have merged our entire diff18:19
LaserJockI'm pretty sure they've taken a lot of our checks18:19
RainCTok, great18:20
RainCTuhm.. it already does :). I'm just stupid xD18:26
pochuRainCT: what was the issue then? did you have -1?18:28
RainCTyeh :P18:28
RainCTfor some reason I *always* forget to check the version number, also when reviewing :P18:29
LaserJocktsk tsk18:30
LaserJockI always forget to add the Closes LP: part18:30
superm1what woud be the most sane way to pass to a postinst that we are upgrading from an old version?18:36
superm1i can't think of anything beyond touching something in /tmp in the preinst18:36
pochusuperm1: if [ "$1" = install ] || [ "$1" = upgrade ]; then18:41
pochu(or ony upgrade, if you don't need it for a new installation)18:41
pochusuperm1: look at the gstreamer0.10's postinsts18:42
geserand you can also compare the version from which the upgrade happens (iirc it's in $2)18:43
superm1pochu, i didn't think upgrade was passed in the postinst18:51
superm1only in the preinst18:51
superm1as per that18:51
superm1postinst passes a configure18:51
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gesersuperm1: yes, postinst gets passed configure and the old version (if applicable)18:53
gesersuperm1: http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts has some nice graphs18:53
superm1"postinst configure most-recently-configured-version", i dont see any calls with the old version18:54
superm1its the new version that it is called with18:54
superm1oh wait, i think i see what you mean18:55
superm1in that graph now18:55
superm1most recently configured version means old version18:55
superm1thanks geser and pochu18:58
slangasekazeem: yay :)  package for me to sync/merge?19:00
pochusuperm1: err, then the gstreamer0.10 stuff is useless?19:04
superm1well if you are doing it just like that, then it wouldn't do much from what i see in debian policy and that debian women page19:04
pochuslomo_: ^^19:04
superm1pochu, you still do get the old version installed in $2, but $1 needs to be configure then19:05
pochuemilio@saturno:~/deb/gstreamer/gstreamer0.10-0.10.18/debian$ ls *inst19:06
pochugstreamer0.10-doc.preinst  gstreamer0.10-tools.preinst  gstreamer-tools.preinst  libgstreamer0.10-0-dbg.preinst  libgstreamer0.10-dev.preinst19:06
pochuslomo_: false alarm, those are preinst so we are safe :)19:07
gesergstreamer0.10 has only preinst no postinst19:07
superm1ah okay :)19:07
pochudebian/changelog was confusing though :)19:07
pochubut it didn't make sense to remove directories in postinst19:08
superm1it really sucks though when you make a bad choice in a convention of where to name files, and then have to deal with it in new versions via postinst/postrm19:09
pochusuperm1: conffiles?19:10
superm1pochu, no it's for a theme.  i didn't realize that when we "changed" the theme, it can cause crashes due to a dated cache19:11
superm1so the new theme is in its own directory and the old one in its own directory19:11
superm1but for folks upgrading need a symlink in place19:11
superm1so that they can use the old one by the same name19:11
slangaseksuperm1: looks like my change to the backports-modules regexp still had a thinko, fixing now - so the /next/ DVD should really be fixed ;)19:17
stanipochu: are you there?19:49
slangasekazeem: w00t, google-calendar synced19:50
stanislangasek: with evolution?19:50
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slangasekstani: I mean that the plugin package has been synced from Debian...:)19:57
staniok, I just got in so missed the context19:57
RB2I had a question about a particular package and what happens when it's put into the repo. The app has a bug or two that manifests itself when installing from the application's site. But, they don't in the repo version. Would this be the appropriate channel?20:05
sebneraloha afflux :)20:41
affluxheya sebner :)20:42
LaserJockRB2: what's the package?20:42
slangasekazeem: are the various 'multisync' packages obsolete?21:23
slangasekazeem: for that matter, have you ever used multisync0.90?  built on libopensync0, but doesn't appear to see python-based plugins :)21:24
LaserJockslangasek: I'm uploading the last (hopefully) ubuntu-docs now21:24
LaserJockif that's ok with you, that is ;-)21:25
slangasekLaserJock: go for it :)21:25
slangasekazeem: well, or at least it doesn't see the moto plugin.  Kinda hard to say where the problem is yet21:28
superm1slangasek, we caught a really bad bug on a theme last night that causes mythfrontend and mythbackend to crash during upgrade scenarios.  i uploaded a workaround for those upgrade scenarios when you touch all that frozen stuff again21:29
slangaseksuperm1: that's mythtv-theme-mythbuntu?21:30
RB2LaserJock, sorry was afk. The package is nexuiz21:52
LaserJockRB2: well, we get our package from Debian21:55
LaserJockRB2: there are a couple of patches that debian applies to nexuiz21:56
RB2LaserJock, thanks! Is there someplace that I can take a look at what patches they apply? The new nexuiz releases take a very long time to get into the repos, so I wanted to see if I could make it work correctly.21:58
LaserJockRB2: yeah, have a look at http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nexuiz.html . Down on the lower left are the source package files22:00
RB2LaserJock, thanks again!22:01
LaserJockhi emgent22:37
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azeemslangasek: hrm yeah, multisync0.90 should work in theory22:49
slangasekazeem: ok. neither multisync0.90 nor kitchensync seem to like the moto plugin much :)22:51
slangasekbut perhaps we're off-topic, since that one didn't manage to get synced for hardy. :)22:51
azeemslangasek: you need both python-opensync *and* opensync-module-python for that to work22:51
slangasekand they're both installed22:52
azeemhrm, right22:52
azeemwell, I see it when I run multisync0.90 on unstable22:52
azeemI don't have my hardy install around currently22:52
azeemslangasek: you can try exporting OSYNC_TRACE=/foo and then grep the resulting Thread* files for ERROR23:00
azeemslangasek: msynctool --listplugins doesn't list moto either, I assume?23:00
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slangasekazeem: correct23:01
slangasekazeem: hmm, what do you want to bet that it's because I installed the opensync-module-python .deb from sid without rebuilding it against python 2.5? ;)23:02
azeemslangasek: can you maybe try with the one from https://launchpad.net/~debian-opensync/+archive ?23:04
azeemwould be good to know those work, at least for the packages which won't make hardy23:04
slangasekazeem: ah yes, now it shows up ;)23:09
macogwis the process for getting a patch in the same in here and in main?23:17
macogw#ubuntu-devel is pretty quiet, so i thought maybe someone here might know what to do23:18
RainCTmacogw: well, mostly yes. the main difference is that for main you have to subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors and for universe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug to get the debdiff sponsored23:21
RainCTif that's what you mean23:21
macogwyeah thats what i was wondering23:22
RainCTgood night23:40
TheMusoFujitsu: Recommends are not installed by default afaik.23:46
xtknightSuggests aren't either are they?  What is the difference?23:48
FujitsuTheMuso: They have been since Gutsy.23:48
FujitsuAnd aptitude did them even before that.23:48
TheMusoFujitsu: For metapackages.23:48
TheMusoFujitsu: Not everybody uses aptitude.23:49
FujitsuTheMuso: No, aptitude has done it for everything for ages, and apt does it for metapackages.23:49
FujitsuWell, having it depend on the pulse plugin is just plain wrong.23:49
FujitsuNot everyone wants pulse.23:49
TheMusoAlright then. A user installs Ubuntu, and installs VLC with pulse as a recommend. They get no sound. They complain/file bugs/whatever...23:49
FujitsuA VLC user tries to remove pulseaudio because it doesn't work. They can't.23:50
FujitsuNo solution.23:50
sebnergn8 folks :)23:50
TheMusoFujitsu: If pulse can't be found running, vlc will fall back to alsa23:50
TheMusoFujitsu: They only need turn it off.23:50
FujitsuTheMuso: Note that apt-get also mentions the recommends, and anyone adept enough to use apt-get directly should notice.23:50
TheMusoFujitsu: Alright, I'll change it, and deal with the bugs that will eventuate.23:51
xtknightuser prolly doesnt even know what pulse/alsa are he just heard to install vlc and wants his sound23:51
FujitsuDepends is for relations where it really, really won't run without it.23:52
xtknightjust my 2c23:52
emgentHeya people23:52
FujitsuMorning emgent.23:53
FujitsuTheMuso: There might be bugs, but the people who don't know what they're doing probably aren't using apt-get.23:53
TheMusoFujitsu: Well, doubtless there will be complaints when people install vlc, use pulse, and get no sound, but ok, I'll deal with that.23:54
FujitsuI guess it all depends on how many people will use apt-get, and not notice the recommended packages.23:55
superm1people installing with synaptic won't notice it though23:55
FujitsuDoesn't synaptic do recommends?23:55
superm1i didn't think it did23:55
FujitsuArgh, you're right. That must be a bug.23:56
superm1i dont think too much harm will come from the pulse plugin being a depend23:57
superm1it will prevent the support requests23:57
FujitsuSeems very odd that the primary package tool doesn't install recommends.23:57
superm1and take up what, 3 megs?23:57
NafalloFujitsu: it's a feature. only for the metapackages :-)23:57
superm1at least for the hardy release23:58
superm1a more complete feature can be done for intrepid perhaps23:58
FujitsuNafallo: So packages that are strongly recommended by others shouldn't be installed automatically for the users who are most likely to want them?23:58
NafalloFujitsu: that's correct.23:59
FujitsuTheMuso: In the light of Synaptic's misbehaviour, I can see why you did it. I believed only apt-get didn't install recommends.23:59
jdonggrumble ack fsck.23:59
jdongstupid msmtp23:59
jdongI can't connect to MIT SMTP anymore with msmtp thanks to gnutls's new anal-retentive security expectations :)23:59

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