[00:02] anyone know what would cause this to happen in be log when trying to watch tv? [00:02] Preview Error: Previewer file [00:02] Preview Error: Run() file not local: [00:02] Preview Error: Preview process not ok. [00:04] guess I'll try a reinstall..... [00:07] family friendly? [00:07] what, it should be fine as long as there are no gays right === mindframe_ is now known as mindframe [05:06] I have a 1.7GHz P4 w/Radeon 9600 (TV out). Is this sufficient HW for mythbuntu? Just started researching this! [05:06] I know i will need a tv card as well [08:43] anyone available to help with remote control config on a fresh install? [12:29] mythbackend does not seem to start up when I boot-up my system (which is set to automatically log in and start the frontend) [14:20] Anyone around? [14:21] I've got a hauppauge pvr150 in my box and the remote has broken for no reason twice now, the first time I had to reinstall completely, which I dont really want to do again. Is there another reliable perhaps usb remote that works well with mythbuntu? [14:53] davey_: i use mce remote [14:53] works flawlessly [14:53] its actually a decent remote [14:53] do you have the newer one or older one? [14:54] http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote its one not shown on this, its a cross between the 2nd and 3rd [14:55] they all use the same driver module i assume? [14:55] looks like the third with the red/green/yellow/blue buttons [14:55] did it come with a tuner or did you get it seperately? [14:55] its version 2, though [14:55] i bought it for a 5quid or so, coz my hauppauge broke [14:56] no tuner [14:56] yeah thats the boat im in i think [14:56] my hauppauge broke once before, and i fixed it by reinstalling, but this time i think its really broke [14:56] my ir sensor got damaged when moving [14:56] i was going to try fixing it but a colleague offered me this for next to nothing [14:56] i think someone spilled beer on my remote lol [14:57] tbh id probably have never bought the mce remote... but id recommend it to anyone [14:57] ive never had an issue with it [14:57] cool, I am looking for one now, i see a lot of no-name ones though [14:58] anyware rohs is one brand i see a lot on newegg [14:58] the only thing i dont like is the ir receiver is pretty big.. its fine for my living room, because it sits nicely on my kit and doesnt look out of place, but it wouldnt be right in my bedroom :) [14:59] yeah, I currently have my hauppauge receiver duct taped to my tv, so i dont really care how it looks :P [14:59] but what it does have is two ir blaster sensors [15:00] so you can connect it to a tv and cable box, or tv and amp etc [15:00] nice [15:00] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121001 [15:00] that one look decent to you? [15:01] tbh i've no idea about those aftermarket ones, im not sure they use the same drivers etc? [15:02] id guess they do [15:02] that was kinda my worry [15:02] i can't find anywhere that sells microsoft ones [15:02] are the official M$ ones more expensive? [15:02] ah [15:02] probably [15:03] google for mce remote [15:03] there's a ton of them on UK ebay [15:03] for pretty cheap [15:03] k i'll check ebay [15:05] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880125001 comments say this one works well with lirc [15:07] i cant comment since i have no experience with it :) [15:07] you can always return to newegg though, right? [15:08] yeah [15:53] hey guys. [15:53] can someone test something for me? you need a mythbuntu box (7.10 or 8.04) and approximately three minutes :) [15:56] can i do it via ssh [15:57] sure. but it'll reboot your computer. (or if you want, shut it down) [15:57] i'm working on something that'll let people shut down their mythtv computers without having to edit /etc/sudoers first :) [16:10] Hello. I have a question. I cannot seem to get mythdora to boot from the dvd, is there anyway to do it using the grub loader? [16:11] Kargarian: this is #ubuntu-mythtv [16:11] o [16:12] well i have mythubuntu that is doing the same thing and won't boot from the cdrom drive, anyway to get that to work using grub [16:14] Kargarian: do you have your BIOS set to boot first from CD/DVD? [16:14] yeah [16:14] i do a selective boot and seletc the dvd/cdrom drive [16:14] it waits for a bit and then just boots from hd [16:15] can you boot other live CD disks? [16:15] which sucks when i am trying to remove windows :) [16:15] none linux, windows does though [16:16] windoze from a live cd? [16:16] so from a previous install i can atleast get to the grub prompt [16:16] so i was wondering, is there a way from grub i could go into the cdrom and launch the install? [16:17] probably but I've never tried that [16:18] humm. i wonder if there is a wayto atleast make a floppy boot disk, but then another issue is I don't think i have a floppy lol. I do have a usb thumb drive [16:20] you might want to try a knoppix or other live cd channel this is for ubuntu/mythtv specific issues [16:21] you can put the live disk onto a thumb drive... i think it's in the ubuntu wiki somewhere [16:23] ok thanks [16:29] laga, you around? === MythbuntuGuest99 is now known as aspastic [16:30] laga, could just have /sbin/shutdown chmod +s [16:30] ? [16:30] no big deal on a mythbox imo [16:31] does MCC build a good diskless image now? i built from the command line...but cant install nvidia driver [16:31] jduggan: na, SUID is bad :) especially because many computers are not "just" mythtv boxes :) [16:31] jduggan: i already got a solution, i use HAL. i just need to know if it's working on "normal" mythbuntu computers [16:32] ah [16:32] aspastic: no, not yet. there was a hug in the last upload. i'll post an updated version in the forums in a few minutes [16:33] kk...so if i built on from the command line, why would i not be able to install nvidia drivers? [16:34] i dont know. do you get an error message? [16:34] just saying "it doesn't work" is probably to worst way of trying to get help :) [16:35] lol [16:35] well, usually i come up top right..beside the clock [16:35] it didnt this time [16:35] so i download the sh*.run from nvidia.com [16:35] well [16:35] don't do that [16:36] and use my tested and working xorg...but it doesnt work [16:36] oh...why?? [16:36] because the ubuntu packages for nvidia packages do special magic which is lacking in the .sh [16:36] lack of magic breaks stuff [16:36] ;) [16:37] lol [16:37] how to make magic then? [16:38] aspastic: i'd suggest you remove the overlay directory in /var/cache/mythbuntu-diskless/overlay/* - this will remove the nvidia driver and also remove all your customizations (!). then start your client and run jockey-gtk [16:38] that'll let you choose the nvidia driver i hope [16:39] btw: if you can boot the client, then the chroot should be good. just sayin' [16:39] Hi this is my first visit here. I'm hoping to set it up this evening. One question: can I use the Hauppauge PVR150 blaster, to change channels on my sat receiver [16:39] eg creating it in mcc was OK [16:40] give me 2 mins laga [16:43] didn't work laga 'tuple' object has no attribute [16:43] ah [16:43] known problem, wait a sec [16:43] kk [16:44] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214914 [16:44] maybe that's the correct bug for you [16:45] ill give it a go [16:50] laga = LEGEND! [16:51] i just overheard the conversation about that bug in another channel :) [16:53] i've just seen the new desktop theme in action [16:53] <3 [16:54] ubuntu theme? [16:55] nice? [16:56] no, the mythbuntu theme [16:56] black & chrome [17:02] yea, i like it using it now [17:03] any idea's why live tv wont work? just returns to the menu? [17:10] question guys. i have xv working finally, so i have low cpu usage for mplayer. [17:11] i just need to get the quality up now. i have avi's that when displayed on 32" LCD TV VIA RGB, IT GETS CHOPPY [17:12] im copying content from nas to local disk to see if its a throughput issue, but i dont think it is [17:13] for mplayer opts im using zoom, quiet, fs. is that consistent with your settings? [17:50] With a default install of mythth should i be able to watch dvd's. I stick a dvd in but it won't play [17:50] any ideas? [17:56] ;) [17:56] Kargarian: gotta install the restricted drivers from the mcc [17:57] i've been running MythTV for a year now :) But since the upgrade to 8.04 -- the screensaver comes on (mouse appears and fades to black) and the lirc / remote has quit working... yes, I recompiled the lirc modules for the new -16 kerenl [17:57] Raspberry: file a bug report [17:57] I will [17:57] there are currently ZERO bugs open in regards to MythTV on Hardy [18:05] there are? [18:05] ther's like 50 bugs open :) [18:06] I knew better than to even look [18:07] as i just raised in -dev. ETOOMANYBUGS [18:07] :) [18:08] I was looking here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/mythtv [18:08] is there somewhere else I should be looking? [18:08] yeah same thing w/o the hardy in it [18:08] those are "release" blocker bugs [18:09] ah [18:10] well I upgraded to hardy because since 0.21 it's been restarting X on Gutsy [18:10] so I figured it can't be much worse [18:10] only when I'm playing HD content for the most part [18:11] sounds like you need a more tuned playback profile [18:12] I've been playing around with that [18:12] I've reduced it to normal now [18:12] would reducing it to slim be better yet? [18:12] or is that the wrong thing to be looking at? [18:13] I can create a custom profile, I know -- but I thought I'd try the defaults first and go from there [18:13] slim helps a lot of folks [18:13] it never hurts to ry [18:13] try [18:14] I've had the same install for a year and I didn't have to look at the playback profiles until 0.21 [18:14] yeah same for a lot of folks [18:15] i ended up buying some new hardware [18:15] 0.21 is a lot more resource intensive [18:15] and fixed it the brute force way [18:15] I've also noticed that it's max'd out my gb of memory too [18:15] well that's actually surprising [18:15] I've been thinking about a new processor [18:15] you sure its all "in use" [18:15] a lot of it is usually cached [18:15] available is typically 50mb [18:15] according to what though? [18:16] free -m? [18:16] example: my laptop has a gig [18:16] and right now "used" is 943 [18:16] but the next line is -/+ buffers/cache [18:16] used is only 393 [18:16] used is 867mb and I don't even have the front-end running [18:17] buffers is 18mb cached is 400mb [18:17] well you may have something else funky going on [18:17] take a look what is using up all that ram right now [18:18] i'll check it again w/the front-end running in a bit .. .Xorg is 5% of the mem... python is almost 5... deskbar-applet is 5 ... but that's because I'm in a regular profile on the machine right now -- trying to use the control center [18:18] but still 440 megs w/o myth running is a bit high i think [18:18] gknome panel is 3 nautilus is 3 mysql is 3% backend is 2.2 minxer is 2 update notifier is 2... and so on [18:19] nautilus? [18:19] oh you've got gnome running right now [18:19] I'm in a regular user term [18:19] yeah [18:19] okay that explains things [18:19] carry onward [18:19] but I'm checking through top :P which I check with mythtv profile running [18:20] is there a way of deleting directories from storage groups? [18:20] i also changed it so I'm not doing commflagging anymore during recording [18:20] can't do that with 0.21 either :) [18:21] oh yeah i can't commflag on the same box i watch hd either [18:21] used to commflag 2-3 shows and watch hd at same time [18:23] are you running hardy or gutsy? [18:23] i develop on hardy and use hardy [18:24] this guy says sound doesn't work http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2008/04/mythtv-on-hardy.html -- but it works for me an dI didn't change anything... so not sure if he's mistaken or what... because there hasn't been a new mythbuild since then [18:24] sound works fine for me [18:25] i use myth w/ pulse audio fine [18:25] just asoundconf set-pulse [18:25] and start myth [18:25] and things work [18:25] ok i installed the restricted drivers, and i still cannot get dvd's to play within mythtv, is there somthing else i need to configure? [18:25] Kargarian, in mcc you need the DVD codecs [18:26] mcc? [18:26] mythbuntu-control-centre [18:26] yeah, i checked all of them off [18:26] and restarted [18:26] then try another DVD made by a different company (in case its a DRM problem ) [18:27] since i seem to be out of it today-- any suggestions on how to full view mmc on a 800x600 display... I can't read it if it's larger and the magnifcation options (orca, et al) don't seem to be functioning correctly in Hardy [18:27] :) [18:27] i was able to play that dvd in a different pc running suse [18:27] Raspberry, orca isn't working? [18:27] in general - or just on mcc? [18:27] i don't think it's the dvd, buti will give another a try [18:27] justin the mcc, and then it installed them [18:27] in general [18:27] Kargarian, hm interesting [18:27] Raspberry, did you talk to TheMuso about it? [18:28] it starts ... it displays a preference dialog with nothing in it... and then it crashes... with "TIMEOUT: somthing has hung. aborting. [18:28] he's done tons this cycle on accessibillity stuff [18:28] ok [18:28] but mcc should work on 800x600 [18:28] just make sure your font isn't set too large [18:29] the problem isn I'm doing this on a regular TV [18:29] so 1024 is just too tiny [18:29] and blurry [18:29] vnc perhaps instead then [18:29] anyone having issues with mythtv on hardy, getting ready to update. Just wanted to see what i had in store for me [18:29] I used to use VNC with Gutsy, but it restarts X in Hardy now [18:29] :) [18:30] I make the connection from my hardy laptop via VNC... then the vnc window on the laptop goes black and X restarts on the MythTV box [18:30] :P [18:30] lots of problems today :) [18:30] hti_pro, no [18:30] :/ [18:30] Raspberry, yeah, reconfigure vnc in hardy [18:30] it will reinstall x11vnc [18:30] its an annoying bug that vnc4server broke [18:31] just a dpkg-reconfigure eh [18:31] I use NX [18:31] faster [18:31] Raspberry, no literally in mcc [18:31] pick the reconfigure option [18:31] for the services tab [18:31] ah ..well I can't read it :p [18:31] ok [18:32] at 800x600 I can read the text, but I can't slide the dialog up high enough to hit apply / ok [18:32] hold alt [18:32] and drag the window [18:32] it won't drag past the panel [18:32] at the top [18:32] I tried that :) [18:32] you can try to X forward over SSH possibly [18:32] nvrmind :) I tied :P [18:32] it's working "now" :P [18:33] I'm trying not to complain to much - -so let me know whnen you've had enough [18:33] :P [18:33] well anything that comes up as a major blocker we need to see some bugs filed [18:33] this is crunch time [18:33] the way my day has been going -- I was probably holding ALT on my laptop keyboard and moving the mouse for the mythtv box :P [18:34] going through the mcc now... page by page [18:35] with the new mythbuntu logo -- think there will be any tivo complaints? it looks kinda similar doesn't it? [18:35] does it? [18:35] i hope no complaints on it [18:36] i've never used a tivo, but yeah -- http://dynamic.tivo.com/resources/images/downloads/TiVo_logo_lg_RGB.jpg [18:36] oh interesting... [18:36] I can't imagine you wouldn't get a letter [18:36] that can be bad i suppose [18:36] does your logo have feet? [18:36] err, our [18:37] yes [18:37] i can see two nubs [18:37] I guess you'd have to look at how malt-o-meal can sell cereals that are similar to the name brands [18:37] but they never use the same logos [18:38] or similar [18:38] well do you like the new logo though :) [18:38] I like the new logo and theme a lot [18:38] that's what matters [18:38] well [18:38] it's a TV [18:38] :) [18:38] yeah, but Tivo has the (r) [18:39] yeah.. complicated. [18:40] tivo just won a huge lawsuit too [18:40] against Dish Networks [18:41] dish has to turn off all their own DVRs [18:41] and i don't know if tivo is sue happy like Apple... apple just sued NYC for a "go green" logo the city has on their ecofriendly campaign [18:43] :O [18:44] do i have to restart mythtv frontend after configuring lirc [18:45] hti_pro: I always have to [18:45] Seeker`: thanks [18:46] hti_pro: yes [18:46] ah -- since the upgrade all the remote info is missing :) [18:46] since upgrading to 8.04, I have noticed that if I have previously told myth to record a program, and I happen to be watching the channel before the recording starts, it "retunes" to the channel just before the program starts [18:48] i'll have to check that out [18:48] see if that happens to me [18:48] so -- what's the best way to turn the screensaver off? [18:48] since the upgrade the screensaver comes on after 15 minutes [18:48] any upside to using mplayer from within mythtv as opposed to the internal player [18:48] :P even when I'm watching a movie [18:49] hti_pro: the internal player is great in 0.21 [18:49] you can save your position in all your media now [18:49] not just tv recordings [18:49] Raspberry: cool, is there an issue with using the remote and mplayer from within myth, I mean when i use the remote does it simultaneously send commands to bot mplayer and myth [18:50] and all the buttons are the same ... no having to remember different behavior for mplayer v. internal [18:50] hti_pro: no [18:50] hti_pro: it sends commands to the application with focus [18:50] Raspberry: is there anything that the internal player can't do [18:50] wmv I think... and mov [18:50] I'd have to check again [18:50] it's much better [18:51] I reconfigured my file preferences to put everything on the internal player [18:51] i hate wmv's, all i really use are mpegs isos and nuvs [18:51] nuvs = mpeg i think [18:51] superm1: when I hit apply in mmc after my changes [18:51] hti_pro: then just internal is all you need [18:51] superm1: it's just hanging on "Configuring VNC Service" [18:51] zuh oh... [18:52] that's not a good thing [18:52] hti_pro: you can run the new mythtv 0.21 in gutsy w/o upgrading to hardy [18:52] if its hanging for awhile [18:52] then kill it [18:52] and run this [18:52] hti_pro: I'd recommend staying at gutsy [18:52] sudo /usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre [18:52] superm1: it's been hanging for at least 3-4 minutes [18:52] and get us a trace on what's going wrong [18:52] Raspberry: so i've found, i have one slave backend running gutsy with gutsy-backports and my master is hardy [18:53] I think the only major issue with hardy right now is the /etc/network/interfaces file loses the auto line [18:54] as far as mythtv goes anyway [18:54] superm1: ok -- I did that.. I'll try it again [18:54] superm1: I'm going to hit apply after each page this time [18:54] If I am wrong please anybody correct me before I update [18:55] Raspberry: I'm getting the screensaver come on too [18:55] i'm glad I'm not crazy :) [18:55] I thought there was an option in the mythtv config to disable the screensaver [18:55] Raspberry, okay [18:56] but maybe that was just the mouse pointer [18:56] bugs bugs bugs people, we dont catch these things unless you file them [18:56] I'll file it [18:56] Seeker`, hti_pro ^ [18:56] I just want to fix it first [18:56] where do we file bugs? [18:56] :O [18:56] Seeker`: honestly? [18:56] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv [18:56] can't you just disable the screensaver in X [18:57] Daviey: I know launchpad, but I cant be bothered to find the exact path :P [18:57] hti_pro: as far as I know -- only if you're logged in as that user [18:57] superm1: do you think it's a bad Idea to remove all the mythplugins hit apply and then readd them? [18:58] anyone using zoneminder with mythtv [18:58] Seeker`: decide if it is a mythtv issue, packaging issue or a mythbuntu problem (including mcc) [18:58] i am looking for a mythzmserver for a pure debian [18:58] without a myth front/back [18:59] or can i just transfer the ubuntu package to debian and install it there [19:00] you'll need to rebuild the source package on debian then [19:00] I guess the way around it would be to stop mythtv from starting up when the mythtv user logs in and then change the screen saver [19:00] do you know where i can get the source package [19:00] apt-get source mythtv on ubuntu [19:00] or grab it from the bzr branch [19:00] on code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv [19:02] i think I'm going to run a dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-frontend [19:03] there is no debconf on the frontend that i know about [19:03] we only put it on common, database, and backend [19:03] maybe I'll try it on common then [19:03] see if that gets the screensaver to turn off [19:04] superm1: when I went back into the mmc with sudo ... none of my changes that I had committed before (when I killed the mmc) had stuck... EXCEPT vnc service was now set to enabled and before it was disabled [19:04] Raspberry, interesting [19:05] well see this time when you run it, try to reconfigure vnc [19:05] and see if there is a log spit back [19:05] ah [19:05] there's an error in the python script [19:05] has anyone actually used mythZoneMinder [19:05] ... /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mythbuntu_common/vnc.py line 63 [19:06] actually there are alot [19:06] core.py line 1344 [19:06] core line 1331 [19:06] changer line 248 and 470 [19:07] Daviey: I filed it under the link Raspberry privided [19:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/216432 [19:07] File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mythbuntu_common/vnc.py", line 63, in toggle_xorg have_modules = len(self.xorgconf.getSections("module")) > 0 AttributeError: "tuple" object has no attribute 'getSections' [19:08] Raspberry, woah that's messed up... [19:08] i've not seen any of that [19:08] you have the latest versions of everything? [19:08] particularly mythbuntu-common [19:08] yeah [19:08] i just did an apt-get update / upgrade [19:08] and I wen tthrough dselect and added every myth package I could find [19:09] because after the upgrade [19:09] I didn't have the backend [19:09] please file a bug with as much info as you can [19:09] moving from gutsy to hardy didn't install the updated mythtv-backend packages and it got rid of the last ones [19:09] about versions of mythbuntu-common, mcc [19:09] and that backtrace [19:09] I'll rerun the mmc from my laptop so I can copy / paste into a browser [19:09]