[00:18] <Daviey> If users know they are vulnerable, and don't care - that is _their_ choice to live with it - surely?
[00:29] <mneptok> Daviey: if you have a channel of 1000 new users, and 750 of them disconnect when an exploit is triggered, it makes your channel a target for idiots.
[00:30] <mneptok> Daviey: certainly users are welcome to not fix the vulnerability. they may also expect not to use official channels until they do.
[00:32] <Daviey> I disagree with that.  Should we also pentest?
[00:32] <Daviey> raising the issue, and recommending a fix is one thing
[00:33] <LjL> perhaps we should also not ban channel disruptors
[00:33] <LjL> if people can't use /ignore, that is _their_ choice to live with it, surely?
[00:33] <Daviey> oh come on.. that is just being silly
[00:33] <LjL> i agree.
[00:34] <PriceChild> Daviey: pm?
[00:34] <Daviey> shoot
[01:14] <Mez> !staff | #ubuntu-lb has autoop for all joinees
[01:14] <ubotu> #ubuntu-lb has autoop for all joinees: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[01:15] <vorian> Mez: thanks, i'm already there
[01:16] <LjL> interesting channel setup
[01:24] <PriceChild> Mez: i think group contacts need to request changes like that.
[01:24] <Mez> PriceChild, It may be so - I was just making staff aware, as it's not really secure
[01:24] <Seeker`> PriceChild: Are you not a group contact?
[01:24]  * Mez wonders why PriceChild isnt on !staff
[01:25] <vorian> PriceChild: i agree
[01:25] <LjL> well, so here's a request: please change AUTOOP to level 10, and add *!*@ubuntu/member/* as op
[01:25] <LjL> (level 10)
[01:25] <PriceChild> LjL: autoop to off even?
[01:25] <LjL> err yeah.
[01:26] <LjL> i meant, autoop off, and *!*@ubuntu/member/* level 10
[01:26] <LjL> and CMDOP at 10, but it is already
[01:26] <vorian> so, autoop off, and *!*@ubuntu/member/* level 10?
[01:27] <Seeker`> Mez: How did you discover that?
[01:27] <LjL> yeppers
[01:27] <Mez> Seeker`, noticed it in another channel
[01:27] <Mez> cant find which one now
[01:27] <PriceChild> Mez: I don't think I'm much use being on that factoid, and watch this channel anyway.
[01:28] <Mez> PriceChild, dont put yourself down *hugs the staffer*
[01:29] <LjL> a memoserv has been sent to the channel contact
[01:30] <Pici> A whole memoserv?
[01:30] <LjL> Pici: gzipped
[01:32] <Daviey> #ubuntu - /lastlog Gnine  <-- looks like a problem
[01:34] <Seeker`> Daviey: He doesn't look particularly nice
[01:34] <Daviey> exactly.. keeps factoiding spam / and unpleasant attitude
 Daviey unless you're an op .. keeps your wits about you
[01:35] <jdong> what happened btw to op powers in #ubuntu-motu?
[01:35] <Mez> that to me is a threat
[01:35] <Daviey> Mez: yup
[01:35] <Mez> which IIRC - is an autoban
[01:35] <PriceChild> Someone want to open a PM with him?
[01:35] <Mez> PriceChild, you just volunteered yourself :P
[01:36] <PriceChild> Mez: 'that to me is a threat' - what line?
[01:36] <LjL> i just sent him here.
[01:36] <Pici> Hrm. Gnine isn't usually a disruptive user.
 <Gnine> Daviey unless you're an op .. keeps your wits about you <-- that line
[01:37] <PriceChild> :/
[01:37] <LjL> hello Gnine
[01:37] <LjL> look i haven't been watching very attentively, but i've seen a line that worried me
 Daviey unless you're an op .. keeps your wits about you
[01:38] <christel> Mez: hi sugar-button, what can i do you for?
[01:38] <Gnine> so using ubotu is too impersonal as a means of information delivery?
[01:38] <LjL> is there a difference in the way you treat an op and the way you'd treat someone else?
[01:38] <LjL> nope
[01:38] <Mez> christel, ah, you missed it, it's been sorted thankies *hugs*
[01:39] <Gnine> he antagonized me .. so my take was exactly proportional
[01:39] <LjL> well, #ubuntu is not really the place for antagonism
[01:40] <LjL> anyway he had asked
[01:40] <Gnine> precisely
 Gnine: Any reason you keep asking ubotu for factoids?
 if the shoe fits .. you have wear it too Daviey
 Gnine: keep going, and you won't be in here much longer :( .. you can pm ubotu
[01:40] <LjL> yes, thanks
[01:40] <Mez> i beleive is what you see as antagonism?
[01:40] <LjL> i don't quite understand the fitting shoe sentence to be honest
[01:40] <PriceChild> Mez: PM?
[01:40] <Gnine> he initiated the argument
[01:40] <LjL> right
[01:40] <Mez> PriceChild, no need to ask
[01:40] <Daviey> Gnine: i was merely asking why you were asking ubotu for so many factoids.. including !botsnack - and suggested you could pm
[01:40] <LjL> right
[01:40] <LjL> Gnine: so if you were actually using the factoids to inform users of things
[01:41] <LjL> you could have just said that?
[01:42] <Gnine> alot of the questions people have can be answered with a factoid . i dont see the issue for using the system to provide information pertinent to x or y
[01:42] <LjL> Gnine: no, absolutely
[01:42] <LjL> but i think Daviey was under the impression you were calling factoids for yourself, or randomly, or something
[01:42] <LjL> that wasn't the case - wonderful
[01:42] <LjL> but you could just have told him
[01:42] <Daviey> Gnine: apologies if that is the case. but some of the triggers looked like personal requests as i couldn't see how they fitted into requests.
[01:42] <Mez> Gnine, make it obvious, use !factoid | person - makes it more understandable in our logs
[01:43] <elkbuntu> (and they're more likely to see it too)
[01:43] <christel> Mez: ok! thankies <3
[01:43] <Pici> Not just our logs, but you know how fast the chat moves, its akin to putting someones name in front when you talk to them.
[01:43]  * Mez feels wubbed
[01:44] <Mez> Pici, too fast for me to finish typing
[01:44] <LjL> Gnine: anyway, it's mostly the "unless you're an op" line i'm not comfortable with
[01:44] <Mez> you put it more succinctly anyways
[01:44] <LjL> ops can make mistake, other people can make mistake
[01:44] <Pici> Mez: Thanks ;)
[01:44] <LjL> ops can be right, other people can be right
[01:44] <LjL> i see no difference that justifies someone saying or not saying something only based on whether they're an op
[01:44] <Gnine> "ops are always right"
[01:45] <LjL> no, ops' requests have to be followed in #ubuntu (then you can discuss the validity of them privately, or here)
[01:45] <Mez> Gnine, so is the customer... apparently... doesnt mean a thing-  in #ubutu - everyone is equal
[01:45] <LjL> but really the same goes with other people's requests
[01:45] <LjL> #ubuntu is not the place for antagonism
[01:45] <LjL> so even if you feel "the other person started it"
[01:45] <Gnine> i did not initiate it
[01:45] <LjL> (bad flamewars always end up like this...)
[01:46] <LjL> well, then put up if you don't really care, or PM the person, or if you think it's worth it, complain here
[01:46] <LjL> don't respond with more antagonism
[01:46] <Seeker`> Gnine: if you feel that someone is trying to start an argument with you, you should try to ignore it, or report it here
[01:46] <Daviey> Gnine: I wasn't trying to start an argument.. i was trying to suggest you us ubotu in pm for personal requests (which it seemed like you were doing).
[01:46] <Gnine> he felf uncomfortable with my procedure..  he had a problem with me.. not the other way around
[01:46] <Daviey> use8
[01:47]  * Daviey sighs
[01:47] <Gnine> thats not exclusive, Daviey 
[01:50] <Gnine> if queries to bot in public channels is forbidden then am wrong.. if not ..  it's a matter of personal opinion wether or not you get annoyed by ubotu 
[01:51]  * Gnine hugglez ubotu
[01:51] <mneptok> Gnine: "do not escalate disagreements or misunderstandings on public channels." i think that's what people are trying to tell you.
[01:52] <Seeker`> Gnine: I think that the problem is that there is enough traffic in #ubuntu as it is, so it would be helpful to keep personal requests out of the channel and in PM, which is what Daviey was trying to get at
[01:52] <Pici> mneptok: Very well put.
[01:52] <LjL> Gnine, the bot is fine to use in public
[01:52] <LjL> as long as you're using it to help other people
[01:52] <mneptok> Gnine: no one really cares "who started it." except maybe Miss Pringlehoffer, our pre-school teacher.
[01:52] <LjL> and if that's what you were doing, that's not an issue at all
[01:52] <Gnine> the disagreement was my usage of ubotu.. so where are we getting at
[01:52] <LjL> the issue was your reaction to Daviey's message
[01:52] <Daviey> Gnine: As i said, it seemed to me you were asking ubotu for personal requests.. I'm sorry my statement was missunderstood.  You aren't banned any more.
[01:53] <Gnine> my issue is his reaction to mine.. so?  why am i being targeted
[01:53] <mneptok> Gnine: "do not escalate disagreements or misunderstandings on public channels." you did.
[01:53] <LjL> Gnine, you aren't being targeted.
[01:53] <Gnine> furthermore.. none of my queries were unfounded.. i do read whats going on 
[01:54] <LjL> Gnine: then Daviey was wrong, and he just said he's sorry.
[01:54] <LjL> but hey, he got it wrong... he asked you why you were using the bot like that
[01:54] <LjL> he didn't say like "what the hell are you doing, stop that crap now"
[01:54] <LjL> he asked
[02:00] <Gnine> i really never had need to be in #ubuntu.. i learned linux is not windows since day one .. i just try to help guide folks to info.. troubleshooting user is not my thing 
[02:00] <elkbuntu> Gnine, please dont argue for the sake of arguing
[02:01] <Gnine> roger that 
[02:01] <LjL> Gnine, that's fine, i'm NOT telling you that you shouldn't help the way you're helping
[02:01] <Mez> oh... oh...
[02:01] <Mez> next year can ubuntu IRC team play an april fools joke
[02:01] <Mez> and push out an xchat that replaces "the" with "te h" in all outgoing messages?
[02:01] <LjL> i'm merely telling you that i don't like a statement such as "shut up unless you're an op"
[02:01] <Pici> No. Jokes are forbidden in #ubuntu.
[02:01] <Mez> just for a day ?
[02:01] <elkbuntu> Mez, "We're moving the official channels to efnet"?
[02:02] <Mez> elkbuntu, I heard OFTC
[02:02] <elkbuntu> Mez, people might actually believe that, though
[02:02] <Seeker`> I heard rizon.net
[02:02] <Mez> elkbuntu, then s/efnet/DALnet/
[02:02] <elkbuntu> Mez, heh
[02:02]  * Mez sniggers
[02:03] <mneptok> EF is a PITA because of users. the staff is mostly clueful and can run a network. DAL, OTOH ...
[02:03] <Mez> I still prefer pushing out a new client for a single day
[02:04] <Mez> mneptok, but DALnet is soooo fun
[02:04] <Mez> was my first ever IRC network
[02:04] <Mez> when I used to use internet cafes
[02:04] <Mez> and the only one I knew at the time had mIRC installed
[02:05] <mneptok> my first IRC network was IRC
[02:05] <mneptok> that's all there was. :)
[02:05] <Gnine> actually.. i just remembered why i said "keeps your wits about you" (not shut up , as you state) .. he ordered me to get out of the room.. 
[02:05] <Daviey> i did not.
[02:06] <mneptok> Gnine: "do not escalate disagreements or misunderstandings on public channels." is that an understandable request?
[02:09] <Daviey> Gnine: My statement "<Daviey> Gnine: keep going, and you won't be in here much longer :( .. you can pm ubotu" was _not_ intended as a threat.  badly worded i agree, and i'm sorry you understod it as such.  But i didn't ask you to leave
[02:10] <Gnine> that sounded like a threat too.. no matter.. its all good
[02:10] <Daviey> \o/
[02:10] <PriceChild> Right, shall we all move on? :)
[02:10] <mneptok> ohpleasegodyes
[02:10] <Mez> Privacy Note: Your IP address is never displayed publicly. <-- does that mean "we log your IP" ?
[02:10] <Pici> Mez: Huh? Where?
[02:10] <elkbuntu> Mez, pretty much
[02:11] <Mez> Pici, bash.org
[02:11] <Pici> Mez: Probably.  
[02:11] <mneptok> Mez: pretty much every website logs your IP
[02:11] <elkbuntu> Mez, every server on the intarwebs is permitted by laws of just about every jurisdiction to log the ips that have touched it
[02:11] <mneptok> Apache Is Like That(r)
[02:11] <Mez> mneptok, we specifially log your IP then
[02:12] <Mez> elkbuntu, I just think its a weird way of putting it
[02:12]  * Mez calls mneptok a pedant
[02:13] <elkbuntu> Mez, they're supposed to lie instead?
[02:14] <Gnine> !cake
[02:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cake - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:14] <Gnine> i used to like that one.. 
[02:14] <Pici> Gnine: Anything further you need from us?
[02:14] <Gnine> no.. i was summoned here actually
[02:15] <Mez> elkbuntu, clarify the message or remove it *shrugs* 
[02:15] <Mez> maybe its just me and having to deal with lots of ambiguos phrases at wor
[02:16] <Pici> Gnine: I understand you were asked here, but it appears that the issue was settled.  
[02:17] <elkbuntu> Mez, i dont think it warrants removal
[02:17] <Gnine> i see .. good.. sayonara then
[02:17] <Mez> then clarification
[03:57]  * mneptok tootles off for home and a weekend with a RH employee friend
[03:57] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[03:57] <mneptok> ?
[03:58] <mneptok> it's fun, we have similar roles for our respective companies.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> i don't want to know what you will get up to...
[06:27] <ubotu> Scunizi called the ops in #ubuntu (barikulkol_pogi_)
[06:43] <ompaul> !feedthetroll
[06:43] <ubotu> The above mess was caused by someone who thought it was funny (they're gone now). Please ignore it completely, since discussing it and making a fuss will only make them think they've reached their "fun" goal.
[06:57] <nickrud> you talking about mneptok ompaul ?
[06:57] <ompaul> nickrud, na  
[06:58] <ompaul> I just joined
[07:02] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood during emergency mode)
[07:09] <Amaranth> where?
[07:09] <ompaul> Amaranth, ?
[07:09] <Amaranth> floodbot
[07:09] <ompaul> #ubuntu
[07:10] <ompaul> join the other channel to see where
[07:10] <ompaul> and what
[07:10] <ompaul> prepare for spammage cos that bot reports everything it sees
[07:10] <ompaul> and that can be useful
[07:10] <Amaranth> the bot seems to have gotten confused
[07:15] <stdin> it probably lagged, it reported not being able to ping chanserv just before it thought there was a clone flood
[07:59] <ompaul> redbrain, how can we help ya?
[07:59] <ompaul> it being 8am and all that :)
[11:14] <jpatrick> did anyone else have the mass lag?
[11:21] <Jucato> didn't notice in between the splits :)
[11:22] <elkbuntu> jpatrick, i think there's some major routing fun happening generally. facebook is next to useless atm
[11:24] <jpatrick> elkbuntu: simply loving...
[11:26] <ompaul> redbrain, how can we help ya?
[11:28] <ompaul> !idle | redbrain 
[11:28] <ubotu> redbrain: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[11:28]  * ompaul waits on the bot
[11:28] <ompaul> hah there we go
[11:40] <Seveas> elkbuntu, facebook is always useless
[11:40] <Seveas> has nothing to do with routing :)
[11:41] <elkbuntu> Seveas, 104 errors every second page atm
[11:42] <jpatrick> jdong: op powers in motu?
[11:43] <jpatrick> jdong: Hobbsee reset the levels so only people on the access list could op
[11:43] <jpatrick> unlike the everyone-can-op-thing
[12:17] <javaJake> It just occured to me.
[12:17] <javaJake> We need a !complex factoid
[12:19] <javaJake> Something along the lines of "if your problem is specific to a particular program in a particular situation on particular hardware with a particular error, you'll be more likely to get an answer on the forums at Ubuntuforums.org or at the software's own forum or mailing list"
[12:19] <javaJake> But then maybe people'd use that as an excuse not to help users. :/
[12:54] <Seeker`> javaJake: why will you be more likely to get an answer on the forums?
[12:55] <javaJake> Seeker`: because there's thousands of people on the forums, and about ten or so "helpers" on IRC. :)
[12:56] <ikonia> I know of more than 10 helpers on irc
[12:56] <javaJake> Alright, I'm leaving... I'll see you guys later...
[12:56] <ikonia> there is a pretty solid group
[12:56] <javaJake> ikonia: well, point being, IRC isn't always the medium for big issues like theirs
[12:56] <ikonia> no, it can be hard in a busy channel
[12:57] <javaJake> ikonia: I find the new users get their questions answered, and complex questions get missed
[12:57] <ikonia> I keep an eye out for complex ones, they are the fun ones
[12:57] <javaJake> :)
[12:57] <javaJake> Great! We need people like that, I would say. :P
[12:59] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-uk, bjwebb said: !forget
[14:15] <hischild> could i get some supervision on #ubuntu with <MetaMorfoziS> please?
[14:18] <LjL> uhm i remember that name...
[14:18] <LjL> which generally doesn't mean good
[14:18] <LjL> i just connected though, so let me check the log
[14:20] <hischild> LjL, he asked a question about wlan on hardy, so i told him if he could join the hardy channel, after which he started to call me idiot. 
[14:20] <hischild> he's been quiet since though
[14:20] <LjL> yes, i checked
[14:20] <dav7> channel staffers: you might notice "dav7_" joining/parting every so often - it's a bot I'm working on, that needs a large channel list in order to work - it's a relay with a particularly original (in my estimation) "forward" method that requires a large amount of nicks to be tested properly.
[14:20] <jussi01> dav7: hi
[14:20] <dav7> hi
[14:20] <dav7> it's joining #ubuntu btw
[14:21] <dav7> I promise this bot will NOT send any text to this channel! It may, however, join/part a little frequently.
[14:21] <LjL> a relay?
[14:21] <dav7> yup
[14:21] <dav7> if you want to know, I need a large channel list because I just figured out how to create a "floodbot" (that will never touch freenode :P) that is able to reconnect, all running from a single instance of PHP.
[14:22] <dav7> I decided to make good use of this info to create a relay that works by scanning the channel list and then creating a "phantom" connection for each nick it sees on the "destination" network.
[14:23] <dav7> of course, since it would reconnect almost a thousand times I could never run it here, but for my own flood-relaxed networks it'd be a great learning experience.
[14:23] <LjL> ehm, i wouldn't really say i can approve that
[14:23] <dav7> oh...
[14:23] <dav7> so basically let's say you were on #ubuntu, saying "hi"
[14:23] <LjL> my "hi" is relayed to another network?
[14:23] <dav7> in the following manner...
[14:24] <dav7> my bot sees you say "hi", then as it's joined your nick (via a reconnect of itself) to my other network, THAT RECONNECT (of your nick) says "hi"
[14:24] <dav7> so it's like an entirely seamless relay :D
[14:24] <LjL> no sorry that's really not acceptable, it's akin to unauthorized logging for a start, secondly very frequent joins and parts *are* a problem (we have enough "natural" ones already)
[14:25] <dav7> actually, on your side you'll only see my bot join.
[14:25] <LjL> if you need a channel with many nicknames, set up your own ircd and simulate that :)
[14:25] <dav7> heh... *wonders how*
[14:25] <dav7> as opposed to the relay that links #winapi on freenode/efnet - the relay is called EFNet on here, and Freenode on EFN, which joins and prints the nick before the text eg "<EFNet> <dav7> hi!"
[14:26] <dav7> well okay... I won't argue, but may I please have permission to give it a spin on #ubuntu when I have it fully functional, at least for 5-10 minutes or so? :D
[14:26] <LjL> except i can see from the topic that the relay is approved in #winapi
[14:26] <dav7> ah I see
[14:27] <LjL> anyway, "apt-cache search ircd"
[14:27] <dav7> #1, I'm not actually using ubuntu, I just know #ubuntu has the most users and #2 I have two IRCds running ^_^
[14:27] <dav7> one on my server and a smaller faster one on my desktop I use for testing and stuff
[14:27] <LjL> fine then what's the problem simulating
[14:28] <LjL> relax the clones limit on your ircds
[14:28] <LjL> and write a script that connects and sends stuff
[14:28] <dav7> no problem, I just wanted permission so that noone would think dav7_ was some borked connection
[14:28] <LjL> with some thousand connectioins
[14:28] <Seveas> dav7, why doe it need to join/part all so often? 
[14:28] <dav7> haha
[14:28] <LjL> well, i'm afraid it's not a permission i can give
[14:28] <dav7> Seveas: because it doesn't actually work yet. I'm still developing it :P
[14:28] <dav7> oh ok
[14:28] <Seveas> dav7, then keep it out of #ubuntu
[14:29] <LjL> Seveas, even without the joins and parts, i'd say relaying to another network is not something we can be comfortable with
[14:29] <dav7> will do... but may I have permission to give it one or two test drive(s) for a few minutes just to see that I have it working properly?
[14:29] <dav7> it's not that I want to relay your channel, it's more for the load testing :P
[14:29] <LjL> yes
[14:30] <dav7> (I've found that PHP starts to become a little unstable when faced with more than 1000 non-blocking fsockopen() calls)
[14:30] <Seveas> dav7, err, if your bot design needs that, the design is beyond stupid
[14:30] <dav7> ie fread() calls will throw errors about not being passed a proper resource (that probably wasn't created... etc...)
[14:30] <dav7> eh?
[14:31] <Seveas> to relay between 2 networks you need 2 sockets. One to each network.
[14:31] <dav7> yes. my bot will create one socket to here, and as many sockets as there are nicks here on the other network.
[14:31] <LjL> dav7, wouldn't that have to do with the Linux (or whatever Unix you're doing) maximum limit on open sockets?
[14:31] <dav7> so if there were 1000 users in #ubuntu, there would be 1001 sockets.
[14:31] <Seeker`> dav7: why is that any better than the way existing relays work?
[14:31] <dav7> LjL: I'm not actually sure :P
[14:32] <dav7> Seeker`: it's not, it's just an idea I had... :P
[14:32] <Seveas> dav7, I'll stick to my 'beyond stupid' remark :)
[14:32] <dav7> haha
[14:32]  * Seeker` agrees that it is a silly way of doing things
[14:32] <dav7> this isn't anything serious or anything... if you know what I mean. It's just a fun idea. :P
[14:32] <Seveas> dav7, #ubuntu is not for trying out fun ideas
[14:32] <dav7> :( mk
[14:32] <Seeker`> dav7: You dont get any gains with speed, reliability, resource usage - in fact is is worse in many respects - so there isn't much point trying it :P
[14:33] <dav7> I know... :P
[14:33] <dav7> it's a beyond stupid silly idea that popped into my head that will teach me about networking if nothing else =P
[14:33] <dav7> (and be awesome while doing its thing)
[14:33] <Seeker`> a simple relay would teach you about networking too
[14:33] <dav7> which I've already created XD
[14:34] <dav7> it can connect to two diff servers and relay the stuff between them, and is smart enough to not "listen" to its own nick if someone gets the wise idea to put both "endpoints" in the same chan on the same net :P
[14:35] <dav7> but... I mean, to have #ubuntu on a network of my own and to see a pile of nicks flood in from another network and for their conversation to start scrolling into my own net would just be... awesome (IMO) :P
[14:35] <Seveas> dav7, not gonna happen.
[14:35] <dav7> aw :<
[14:36]  * Hobbsee thoguht the answer was still...no?
[14:36]  * dav7 guess it just sunk in
[14:36]  * hischild signals Hobbsee he's correct
[14:36] <dav7> guesses*
[14:36] <Seveas> hischild, s/he/she/
[14:36] <hischild> ok
[14:36] <hischild> my bad
[14:36] <Seeker`> your bad what?
[14:36]  * dav7 wishes he could ask the staffers "what's the 2nd biggest channel on freenode? I want to do a test :P"
[14:37] <hischild> Seeker`, typo
[14:37] <Seveas> dav7, /list
[14:37]  * dav7 Exceeds SendQ
[14:37] <dav7> =P
[14:37] <Seveas> dav7, and I doubt they'll like the idea
[14:37] <dav7> maybe... sigh
[14:37] <jussi01> dav7: we appreciate you asking/letting us know though. (rather than just doing it without asking)
[14:37]  * dav7 pokes efnet
[14:37] <Seveas> that's true
[14:37] <tomaw> You can't overfill your sendq with /list
[14:37] <dav7> jussi01: well I don't like doing things without permission :P
[14:38] <dav7> tomaw: well every time I /list I... do!
[14:38] <Hobbsee> otherwise you turn into another irseek? :)
[14:38] <dav7> haha
[14:38] <Hobbsee> i'm sure *that* would go down well
[14:38] <dav7> let me create dav7_ (that is NOT a bot) and do /list -y with it, moment
[14:38] <Hobbsee> man, /list is still going
[14:38] <dav7_> hi... doing /list now
[14:38] <PriceChild> If dav7 did do this.... all we would see is join/parts as he restarted the bot?
[14:39] <dav7> PriceChild: exactly.
[14:39] <tomaw> dav7: one thing that might be useful is to connect it via a bouncer.  that way the channel won't see the join/quits while you fix it up.
[14:39] <dav7> I was considering that...
[14:39] <dav7> but the bouncer would have to relay the channel list to it :P
[14:39]  * Hobbsee didn't realise that #ubuntu was 133% bigger than any other channel on freenode.
[14:39] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: How many in the next biggest channel?
[14:39] <dav7> ooh... /list shows the user count!
[14:39] <Hobbsee> it's approx double the size of the fifth-biggest channel
[14:40] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: 952 (#gentoo)
[14:40] <dav7> aha!
[14:40]  * dav7 badgers #gentoo
[14:40] <dav7> I might actually idle in here :D
[14:40] <jussi01> !idle
[14:40] <ubotu> Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[14:40] <dav7> why is there a pile of other users in here then? :P
[14:40]  * dav7 ducks
[14:40] <PriceChild> I fail to see a problem :/
[14:40] <Hobbsee> #debian is 842, #linux 747, then ##php and #python in the 600's
[14:41] <dav7> hah
[14:41] <PriceChild> dav7: where would things be relayed to again? your personal irc server?
[14:41] <dav7> yup
[14:41] <dav7> just for testing :P
[14:43] <dav7> this may manage to work its way into being a bidirectional relay (which would rock), but I'd disable it so #ubuntu doesn't get like 5 or so joins from my server's end
[14:44] <dav7> (ie make it a one-way relay, from #ubuntu to my own net)
[14:44] <LjL> dav7, if it's only your personal irc server things are relayed to, and you can limit joins and parts, then go on
[14:45] <dav7> woohoo... thanks :D:D:D:D:D:D
[14:45] <Hobbsee> but if we find it misconfigured.....
[14:45] <LjL> dav7: using it from an irc proxy might help with the joins and parts
[14:45] <Hobbsee> consider it gone.
[14:45] <dav7> Hobbsee: never! ^_^
[14:45] <LjL> and we *really* don't want to find #ubuntu on another public network
[14:45] <dav7> LjL: yeah I was thinking that... I might tidy up my "single-nick relaybot" a bit
[14:45] <Hobbsee> dav7: having dealt with the last one who tried putting a bot in #ubuntu, (who incidently didn't ask first)
[14:46] <dav7> LjL: hah, my public network has like 5 users and my "private" closed-port server people have to use ssh forwarding to get into has like 3 users... soo.... XD
[14:46] <dav7> Hobbsee: :/
[14:46] <Hobbsee> dav7: it was supposed to be silent.  Then it started talking.
[14:46] <dav7> :E
[14:47] <Hobbsee> botmaster then talked about not knowing enough.  Playing the incompetent card didn't go so well for him.
[14:47] <dav7> heh
[14:47] <dav7> well if I ever have any doubts about my code talking to your end I'll write code into the send() function that actually checks if the server is irc.freenode.net and doesn't send if it is :P
[14:47] <Seveas> dav7, btw, dav7_ is now in here... that's definitely a bad idea
[14:47] <dav7> oh yeah that's the other copy of Irssi
[14:48] <dav7> I /list'ed with it (surprisingly quickly)
[14:48] <dav7_> byebye :P/
[14:48] <dav7> you might note the ident (dav7) was different from the nick (dav7_)
[14:49] <dav7> if the ident is "relay" it's my relay
[14:51] <dav7> okay, my nick parser works, I should be able to get this creating the connections on the other network...
[14:51] <dav7> I might change the port for my test server and port-open it so you can connect and see the finished product in action :P
[15:07] <jrib> ikonia: don't flood :)
[15:07] <LjL> bad ikonia.
[15:07] <LjL> yes, i'll retune that
[15:08] <ikonia> :(
[15:08] <ikonia> I must be punished
[15:08] <Seeker`> ikonia: I'm disappointed with you...flooding like that...tsk tsk tsk
[15:08] <ikonia> shame on me
[15:08] <ikonia> I'm rebelling
[15:25] <elkbuntu> i would spank you, except you'd probably enjoy it
[15:28]  * ikonia walks away quietly
[15:28]  * ikonia does not make eye contact
[15:40] <elkbuntu> heh
[15:40]  * SportChick wavicles and hides
[16:19] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, rodserling said: !seveas is <reply> he smells like grandma
[16:20] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, dmsuperman_ said: !dmsuperman is <reply> dmsuperman is so awesome
[16:54] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: kudos on the blog entry
[17:12]  * Seveas seconds that
[17:13]  * LjL fourths
[17:28] <Seeker`> elkbuntu++
[17:40] <Mez> nalioth, ping?
[17:43] <jussio1> elkbuntu: nice post :)
[17:49] <Mez> hmmles.
[17:50]  * Mez reads elkbuntu's post.
[17:52] <Mez> elkbuntu, If Im correct about who that concerns. I have word that a member of high ranking freenode staff has suggested to the staffers on the IRC council that the person in question be given a short "holiday" from freenode, which those member of staff have decided not to do.
[17:52] <Mez> elkbuntu, but that
[17:52] <Mez> s all rumor and gossip. I'm certainly not an expert on that matter
[17:55] <tomaw> I assume those comments are related to her blog post?
[17:55] <Mez> yes
[18:00] <Seveas> nalioth, PriceChild: I'd like to hear your reactions to that accusation. It's a rather strong accusation...
[18:00] <ompaul> I wouldn't I would rather people all took a break and stopped raking coals
[18:00] <ompaul> but that is just me
[18:01] <Seveas> ompaul, well, if this is true a "break" is likely, but not the kind you have in mind
[18:01] <tomaw> ompaul: it's certainly not just you
[18:01] <PriceChild> Mez: could you reword it? I'm totally confused who is being accused of what?
[18:01] <ompaul>  I am wondering what hischild and dav7 would like discussed
[18:01] <ompaul> !idle
[18:01] <ubotu> Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[18:02] <Seveas> ompaul, dav7 his bot, hischild has reported some issues
[18:03] <ompaul> ah
[18:05] <Seveas> (not meaning !idle doesn't apply)
[18:05] <Mez> PriceChild, doesnt matter noones being accused of anything i was just making a comment it doesnt matter
[18:06] <ubotu> Odd-rationale called the ops in #ubuntu (PSiHo_pAT)
[18:06] <Mez> as I said - it was rumor and gossip. and it might not have been those 2 on the IRC council, but it was said that it was suggeste to staff for the person to take a holiday. I assumed it meant those on IRC Council
[18:15] <ompaul> dav7, hischild here we go - none idling about to take place - if you need us call back
[18:19] <LjL> care to look at PSiHo_pAT in #ubuntu please?
[18:19] <LjL> his mute is up and he still seems to be disruptive
[18:19] <LjL> i don't know his history
[18:20] <ompaul> LjL, he is gone
[18:20] <LjL> ok
[18:20] <ompaul> I'll pm
[18:22] <ompaul> more of the same
[19:28] <Myrtti> merh
[19:28] <Seeker`> lo Myrtti 
[19:30] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[19:30] <Seeker`> whats wrong?
[19:30] <Myrtti> IRC despair
[19:30] <Seeker`> :(
[21:59] <LjL-Mobile> A letter from him
[21:59] <jussi01> from who?
[21:59] <LjL-Mobile> wrong window
[21:59] <jussi01> hehe
[22:00]  * jussi01 sighs at users carrying on similar conversations in 2 channels :/
[22:00] <LjL-Mobile> berlusconi anyway