[03:12] <jbailey> lamont: Around?
[03:15] <lamont> am now
[03:15] <lamont> wow.  and only 3 minutes of separation
[03:15] <jbailey> Well, I try. =)
[03:15] <jbailey> The ia64 box is finally back up and running - Is there any use in having Ubuntu on it?
[03:16] <jbailey> It's got Debian sid from about a year ago on it now.
[03:17] <lamont> well, if you wanted to burn an alternate dvd and test the install, that'd be _wonderful_...
[03:17]  * lamont has been busy
[03:21] <jbailey> It's a remote box, so I can't do install testing.
[03:22] <lamont> ah, well then.
[03:23]  * lamont hasn't tested hardy at all, other than far  enough to know that do-release-upgrade -d makes seemingly sane decisions about what to do going gusty->hardy
[03:25] <jbailey> do-release-upgrade?
[03:25] <jbailey> Wassat?
[03:25] <lamont> iz ubuntu-speak for "do what it takes" 
[03:25] <lamont> it does the magic of dapper->hardy, or gutsy->hardy, or $N->$N+1
[03:26] <jbailey> Ah interesting.
[03:26] <jbailey> So apt-get dist-upgrade is officially the Wrong Thing now?
[03:31] <lamont> jbailey: since dapper->edgy, iirc
[03:31] <lamont> or was it breezy->dapper... 
[03:31] <lamont> can't remember
[03:32] <lamont> update-manager is the gui versoin
[03:32] <lamont> do-release-upgrade is server-ish
[03:32] <jbailey> Weird.
[03:32] <jbailey> I also just use apt-get for everything.
[03:33] <jbailey> And I tend to assume that as long as I have the main meta packages installed that everything will be alright.
[03:38] <lamont> mostly
[03:39] <lamont> edgy or feisty is when evms went away, and if you didn't know to nuke it, (and had raid???) then there was no love.;
[03:39] <jbailey> Right.
[03:39] <jbailey> Why is volume management on Linux so doomed?
[03:39] <lamont> and then you booted from a livecd and fix0red it and rebuilt the initramfs and then there was love again
[03:39] <jbailey> I'm still pining after NetWare.
[03:39] <lamont> for more fun, gutsy or maybe feisty dropped raid support from the livecd -> more pain if y ou did taht
[03:39]  * lamont did that doo much
[03:39] <jbailey> So far, that's the only OS that has gotten it right.
[05:39] <andrewks> alternate dvd for Hardy?
[05:40]  * andrewks is the hoster of said remote ia64 box