[00:01] <Jordan_U> -16 is borked for me
[00:05] <VanDyke> -15 and -16 didnt work for me
[00:05] <Sergeant_Pony> 16 works for me except for a few things
[00:06] <VanDyke> mostly sound and video here
[00:06] <Sergeant_Pony> jockey-gtk
[00:06] <Sergeant_Pony> and a few minor sound issues.. that I can fix myself
[00:09] <Townk> Hi guys, I'm testing Hardy and when I try to share a directory, nautilus return me the following message: "'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied"
[00:09] <Townk> I check my user and it has the sambashare group
[00:10] <Townk> I also check the /var/lib/samba/usershare directory and its mode is: drwxrwx--T
[00:10] <Townk> anyone knows how to fix this or even if this is a bug that must be reported?
[00:13] <saminthemiddle> hey you guys
[00:13] <Dr_willis> 0_O
[00:15] <saminthemiddle> Does anyone know if something has happened with Hardy's power saving? I'm "sipping" 20W on my laptop which used to only need 12W under Ubuntu 7
[00:15] <daekdroom> saminthemiddle: What happened to Hardy is that it uses a realtime kernel now.
[00:16] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: no tickless?
[00:16] <daekdroom> saminthemiddle: No tickless. You've to compile a kernel.
[00:16] <daekdroom> Kernel of 7.10 used 250hz, Ubuntu 8.0 4 uses 1000hz (highest value possible).
[00:16] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: okay, thanks. Know why they abandoned tickless?
[00:17] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: I feel that ubuntu devs don't really care much about laptop users...
[00:17] <daekdroom> saminthemiddle: Actually I don't get what you're saying. but a realtime kernel gives better performance because a process can gain hardware power faster.
[00:17] <daekdroom> Well. Ubuntu server uses a 100hz kernel. You might not like it, anyway.
[00:18] <daekdroom> or 250hz, I don't remember.
[00:18] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: well, almost 100% more power draw means your battery lasts half as long, which is a major problem on laptops
[00:19] <daekdroom> saminthemiddle: truth. I think there might be some tutorials of how to compile a 250hz kernel. Try to google it.
[00:20] <Pici> I'd try tweaking with the help of powertop before recompiling the kernel personally.
[00:20] <daekdroom> Pici: It's not a powermanager problem.
[00:20] <daekdroom> It's the kernel.
[00:20] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: oh, that's not a problem, I'm quite experienced with kernel compiling. It's just that I like to use the default when possible
[00:20] <Pici> daekdroom: I understand.
[00:23] <weirdbro> Ubuntu on Wubi somehow changed my windows partition type to 81
[00:23] <weirdbro> so now I can't boot on windows
[00:23] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: ood, I remember tickless on AMD64 being a big feature highlight for Hardy
[00:23] <weirdbro> and for some reason, I can't get the livecd ti boot
[00:23] <weirdbro> so I can't fix the partitions
[00:24] <saminthemiddle> weirdbro, is that any liveCD or just the hardy live CD?
[00:24] <weirdbro> hardy
[00:24] <weirdbro> First I did a wubi livecd test
[00:24] <weirdbro> which added a booter to get it to boot the cd
[00:24] <weirdbro> then I booted back into windows
[00:24] <saminthemiddle> weirdbro, okay, try something like Puppy Linux as a live CD. Also, remember that changing the partition type often causes the partition to get overwritten :-(
[00:26] <weirdbro> But the weirdest part is
[00:26] <weirdbro> its obviously still ntfs
[00:27] <weirdbro> because wubi is working
[00:27] <weirdbro> and also, there's 2 boot loaders
[00:27] <macogw> formatting does not overwrite a partition
[00:28] <weirdbro> I can't get the livecd to run again
[00:28] <macogw> it just erases the pointers to the data and rewrites the start of the partition
[00:28] <weirdbro> because the bootloaders are weird now
[00:28] <macogw> if grub knows the exact location of the wubi disk image, it doesnt matter that the partition it's on is no longer ntfs
[00:28] <weirdbro> but it must think its ntfs, because it can find the wubi file
[00:28] <weirdbro> so I need to convince windows its still ntfs also
[00:28] <macogw> why does it need to think its ntfs/
[00:28] <macogw> *?
[00:28] <macogw> think of pointers in C
[00:29] <weirdbro> because thats the problem
[00:29] <weirdbro> It gives an error
[00:29] <macogw> the NTFS partition has a pointer to a location on the disk
[00:29] <weirdbro> saying my partition type is 83
[00:29] <weirdbro> or 81
[00:29] <macogw> If GRUB also has a pointer to that same location and NTFS's pointer goes away...so what?  you still know where it is because GRUB still has the pointer
[00:29] <weirdbro> I need to figure out what that means
[00:29] <macogw> its like tying two strings to one balloon
[00:30] <macogw> you let go of one string (the NTFS pointer) but still have the other string (the bootloader one), you dont lose the balloon, right?
[00:30] <macogw> i'm guessing that's how the bootloader can still find Wubi
[00:30] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: I'm down to 14 watts again w/o doing anything. Maybe it was my meter that was screwy.
[00:31] <weirdbro> I know
[00:31] <weirdbro> but what do I do to solve it?
[00:31] <beata> I'm running into difficulty setting the console font: setupcon asks me to install kbd, but that package is not instable.
[00:31] <weirdbro> I can't even get livecds to boot
[00:31] <daekdroom> saminthemiddle: People say that the battery cycletime can go down by more than half
[00:32] <weirdbro> is there any way to modify the master boot record from linux while using that disk?
[00:32] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: what do you mean?
[00:32] <macogw> weirdbro: cant answer that... umm pop the drive in as slave to another computer and copy the disk image, then reinstall windows?
[00:32] <weirdbro> christ, I don't know how to do that
[00:32] <daekdroom> saminthemiddle: Let's say in ubuntu 7.10 your battery lasts 3 hours. In theory it can go down to less than 1 and half in 8.04
[00:33] <macogw> and thats just kinda a guess
[00:33] <daekdroom> Time to restart X to test something.
[00:33] <saminthemiddle> wow, that's pretty sad...
[00:34] <saminthemiddle> okay guys, I'm going to go ahead and start messing with my wifi TX power, if I suddenly log out it's because I dropped my connection ;-)
[00:35] <zcat[1]> Is there going to be an RC soon or do I just keep using beta?
[00:36] <Dr_willis> you plan on reinstalling the rc once its released? or just upgrade?
[00:36] <zcat[1]> I want to do a fresh install
[00:36] <beata> Hmm about TX power?
[00:36] <saminthemiddle> beata: the transmitter power on my wifi card
[00:36] <IndyGunFreak> zcat[1]: lol, why let that stop you?..lol
[00:36] <zcat[1]> well, fresh install on one box, upgrade from gutsy on another
[00:36] <beata> What sort of messing, exactly?
[00:37] <IndyGunFreak> zcat[1]: i'm just kidding
[00:37] <zcat[1]> well, if there's an RC due, I can avoid all those updates ..
[00:37] <saminthemiddle> beata: if you are close to the base station you can drop the TX power w/o loosing a connection. I just dropped my power consumption by over 1.5 watts by lowing my power from 16(somethings) to 10(somethings)
[00:37] <IndyGunFreak> yeah.
[00:37] <zcat[1]> there's about 500M of updates from the beta already, I think
[00:37] <beata> Oh right.
[00:38] <saminthemiddle> beata: echo 10 | sudo tee /sys/bus/pci/drivers/*/tx_power
[00:38] <zcat[1]> I should do a fresh install on the lappy too.. It's a bit messed up with testing all kinds of crap
[00:38] <beata> Know about setting the console font?
[00:39] <zcat[1]> How's the situation with blind installs? I see orca works pretty solid (FINALLY!!), I've got a blind friend interested. I want him to be doing his own installs too.
[00:49] <saminthemiddle> arg, well it's official: Hardy hasn't fixed the annoying Gnome Power Manager bug that makes it mess with your screen brightness
[00:49] <alastair_> yres
[00:49] <alastair_> er
[00:49] <alastair_> yet
[00:50] <vita_> hey does any one know why I am getting this http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotupdatemanagerfl6.png
[00:50] <vita_> here is my source.list also http://pastie.caboo.se/179691
[00:51] <saminthemiddle> vita_ I get that too
[00:52] <Sergeant_Pony> I got that too and did a partial upgrade
[00:52] <saminthemiddle> vita_ Hardy *is* a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[00:53] <vita_> saminthemiddle: so when will that go away
[00:53] <vita_> or should I just do the update
[00:53] <saminthemiddle> vita_ I guess when bullet no. 4 stops being in effect when Hardy becomes stable
[00:53] <saminthemiddle> vita_ I would do the update
[00:53] <vita_> saminthemiddle: is there any way to role back a update
[00:55] <alastair_> I broke it!
[00:55] <swuboo> Does anyone know offhand how to calculate the correct DPI for a monitor?  My fonts are looking godawful in places.
[00:55] <alastair_> ok I fixed it again, crisis averted
[00:56] <saminthemiddle> alastair_: what did you break?
[00:56] <alastair_> terminal
[00:56] <saminthemiddle> alastair_: :-)
[00:56] <alastair_> I turned off "use system fixed width font" in current profile edit thingy
[00:56] <alastair_> And it closed all my terminals
[00:56] <saminthemiddle> swuboo: the hardware specs that came with your computer?
[00:57] <vita_> saminthemiddle: so this thursday it should be fine right?
[00:57] <alastair_> Then if I went back into the editor it just crashed the terminal over again, but I could edit it by going edit>profiles>default
[00:58] <swuboo> saminthemiddle:  You mean Viewsonic's entirely unhelpful brochure?
[00:58] <Jordan_U> swuboo, Well, you could get the real DPI of the monitor by taking horizontal resolution in pixels and dividing it by the length in inches
[00:58] <swuboo> Jordan:  Ah, so the horizontal is the correct value to use?  I tried that, but got an entirely different result when I tried it vertically.
[00:59] <Jordan_U> swuboo, Not sure if that is what will give the 'best' result though
[00:59] <saminthemiddle> vita_ maybe: I'm going to reinstall thursday anyway
[00:59] <saminthemiddle> swuboo: ha, yeah, that thing
[00:59] <Jordan_U> swuboo, They should both be the same, unless you don't have square pixels
[01:00] <vita_> either am I, going to give it some time to level out
[01:00] <saminthemiddle> swuboo: also, you might want to change the fond rendering smoothing to "Subpixel" rather than none or grayscale
[01:00] <swuboo> Jordan_U:  1680/17.1 gives 98.2; 1050/10.1 gives 103.96.  The discrepancy is actually why I was asking this.
[01:00] <swuboo> Perhaps I simply do have rectangular pixels.
[01:01] <swuboo> saminthemiddle:  Yeah, I have done that.  I've also tinkered with the other settings, like subpixel order.  Everything was great until Hardy.
[01:01] <saminthemiddle> swuboo: well, if you find out how, I'm all ears!
[01:02] <swuboo> If I find a solution, I shall certainly share it.
[01:02] <swuboo> It's mostly fonts inside of applications that are problematic---the system fonts themselves are rendering quite nicely.
[01:03] <saminthemiddle> swuboo: MS fonts, perchance?
[01:03] <swuboo> But, of course, changes to the system font settings affect applications.  So I'm not sure why only the latter are wonky.
[01:03] <Jordan_U> swuboo, Are you sure that you are using the correct resolution for your monitor?
[01:03] <saminthemiddle> Jordan_U, that's what he has been querying about ;-)
[01:03] <swuboo> Jordan_U:  Positive.  It's the native resolution.
[01:04] <swuboo> saminthemiddle:  Firefox, in particular.
[01:04] <saminthemiddle> swuboo: firefox fonts are all screwed up
[01:04] <icanhasadmin> !paste
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[01:04] <saminthemiddle> swuboo: make sure that you let websites set their own fonts or else they render funky too
[01:05] <aguitel> how install emerald themes  in hardy ?
[01:05] <swuboo> saminthemiddle:  I have it set like that, but it doesn't really help.  Fonts come out tiny and illegible, and then if I blow them up until they're readable, the formatting goes to Hell.
[01:05] <MFen> are there any apps in hardy capable of opening a .fla file?
[01:05] <DanaG> weirdbro: still having partition issues?
[01:05] <DanaG> Can you boot Linux on the thing?
[01:05] <saminthemiddle> MFen: what's an .fla file?
[01:05] <x1250> aguitel: installing emerald first, the system -> prefs -> emerald
[01:05] <MFen> saminthemiddle: flash source
[01:05] <MFen> saminthemiddle: but it ain't text. :-(
[01:06] <DanaG> Try installing TestDisk (it's a package) and running it on the drive.
[01:06] <saminthemiddle> MFen: vim and emacs will open anything ;-) so will ted.
[01:06] <MFen> saminthemiddle: i have to edit one to embed a font in it, for sifr (a font container for the web)
[01:06] <aguitel> x1250: there is not themes in the manager
[01:06] <Jordan_U> swuboo, If the fonts show up to small decease the DPI, don't increase the font size
[01:06] <MFen> saminthemiddle: that doesn't help much
[01:06] <DanaG> Actually, better advice:
[01:06] <x1250> aguitel: gnome-look.org
[01:06] <esox> Hi, cant start puredata anymore, it finishes in a process that cant be interrupted
[01:06] <saminthemiddle> MFen: ;-) just reminding you
[01:06] <DanaG> Make sure the dpi is correct.
[01:06] <DanaG> Then change font size.
[01:06] <aguitel> x1250: manualy
[01:06] <swuboo> Jordan_U:  That's why I was asking about the correct way to determine the appropriate DPI setting.
[01:06] <MFen> saminthemiddle: what do you think was the first thing i tried? :)
[01:07] <DanaG> google for "javascript dpi"
[01:07] <presto1> ﻿hey guys i just installed 8.04 beta and was updating but was informed that i could only do a partial upgrade apparently somethings could not be upgraded is this kosher
[01:07] <presto1> is this in otherwords just part of the beta process or is something wrong
[01:07] <saminthemiddle> MFen: you could probably use Wine with the Flash editing whatever
[01:07] <MFen> presto1: it means some updates were made (placed on update servers), but things they depend on have not yet arrived
[01:07] <MFen> saminthemiddle: yeah, meh.
[01:08] <esox> saminthemiddle: wine do not work for me
[01:08] <swuboo> DanaG:  Okay, that gives me a result of 99.06.  I'll try that.
[01:08] <DanaG> Try 99 or 100.
[01:08] <swuboo> Dramatic difference, let's see if it helps anything.
[01:09] <saminthemiddle> MFen, esox: there's always virtualization
[01:09] <presto1> ok mfen i feel better ive used linux for almost a year and this is my 1st beta and im excited becuase hardy unlike gutsy seems to install and run well
[01:09] <presto1> for me
[01:09] <MFen> saminthemiddle: well, the flash editing software i'm aware of is made by adobe, and is very expensive
[01:09] <MFen> i'm extremely disinclined to purchase it for a 30-second edit
[01:10] <MFen> regardless of what i'm running it in
[01:10] <esox> saminthemiddle: I mean wine returns  errors even for winecfg
[01:10] <swuboo> Alright, 99 DPI is a dramatic improvement, even in Firefox.
[01:10] <DanaG> What was it set to before?
[01:10] <swuboo> DanaG: 96.
[01:11] <swuboo> I'll have to shrink the size a little bit, since it's now too big, but at least they're rendering properly.
[01:11] <esox> presto1: can you try something for me ?
[01:11] <presto1> what is it esox?
[01:11] <esox> presto1: did you install ubuntu studio sound apps ?
[01:12] <presto1> i didnt sorry
[01:12] <presto1> just the plain ubuntu cd
[01:12] <esox> presto1: ok, too bad. Do someone have puredata installed on hardy N?
[01:13] <DanaG> That is silly for people to always say "set it to 96!  96 is the answer to life, the universe, and everything!"
[01:13] <DanaG> Actually, The Answer is 42.
[01:13] <presto1> so mfen what happened with the partial upgrade for me is perfectly normal then?
[01:14] <DanaG> Somebody should add a link to this page for a !dpi factoid:
[01:14] <DanaG> http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
[01:14] <MFen> presto1: yeah, the packages it can't upgrade will be upgradable later
[01:15] <esox> presto1: could you install puredata from synaptic and try to launch it ? its a small program
[01:16] <DanaG> It's odd how 99DPI and 100DPI settings look so drastically different.
[01:17] <Jordan_U> DanaG, It might be on a the edge of a pixel boundry ( if that makes sense )
[01:17] <presto1> ok esox what am i lookinf for?
[01:17] <esox> presto1: did you manage to start pure data ?
[01:18] <presto1> yeah it fired up for me
[01:18] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Especially if you aren't using much hinting or subpixel smoothing
[01:18] <DanaG> I have it set to subpixel hinting.
[01:18] <presto1> esox did you install puredata from the repo
[01:19] <presto1> and did it install all the dependency's
[01:19] <esox> presto1: pfffffffffffffff don t understand, I was able to start it 3 hours ago and now it starts but dont open up and finishes in a dead precessus not interruptible
[01:19] <esox> presto1: yes its installed on ubuntu studio setup
[01:20] <presto1> ah ok i forgot you were working with studio
[01:20] <esox> presto1: 3 hours ago it started...
[01:21] <iwkse>  hi, i'm trying  to install some deb packages, the ubuntu-languages ones in hurdy but installation fails due to dependency errors. Any help?
[01:22] <presto1> have you tried ubuntu studio irc esox?
[01:22] <esox> presto1: yes...
[01:23] <Dr_willis> iwkse,   You downloaded individual .deb files? if so you need all the deps also. and you normall in install them 'all' at one time with  somthing like.. sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[01:23] <jaffarkelshac> how do i transfer files from vbox to host
[01:24] <iwkse> Dr_willis: yes, single files, the problem is that packages have cyclic dependency
[01:25] <Dr_willis> iwkse,  in the past ive had to do that dpkg -i *.deb and it handled those.
[01:29] <antbee> jaffarkelshac: various ways, depends on how much and how often you want to move files across. If one off, use a USB memory stick.
[01:31] <jaffarkelshac> the usb stick does not pop up in the vbox
[01:32] <antbee> jaffarkelshac: did you install vbox from the repositories?
[01:32] <jaffarkelshac> i did
[01:33] <antbee> that version does not allow usb usage. If you want to use usb ports install the version from the virtualbox website.
[01:33] <jaffarkelshac> i see, ok
[01:34] <antbee> There is still a problem with ubuntu after that and you need to make a change in fstab so vbox can see the usb ports probably. Do a google on ubuntu. vbox and usb.
[01:34] <Dr_willis> i dident think the free verison of virtualbox had usb device support.
[01:35] <jaffarkelshac> i will see if i can find a solution
[01:35] <antbee> The free version does not, but the licensed version is still free to use if it is installed personally.
[01:36] <Jordan_U> Dr_willis, It doesn't, if you mean Free as in Freedom
[01:36] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I've found that Virtualbox's USB 2.0 support does not work with Windows guests.
[01:36] <savvas> ..and if you mean .org as in non-profit profitable organization taken over by sun :P
[01:37] <savvas> you mean it's slower DanaG or doesn't work at all?
[01:37] <DanaG> Doesn't work.
[01:37] <savvas> ouch
[01:37] <DanaG> Devices will show up but error out, in the guest.
[01:43] <tarelerulz> Have any of you try the new jingle/gtalk voice chat  in Kopete ?
[01:48] <alastair_> Hmm if you use ccsm to change things, even though it's in the preferences menu, then the 'Extra' visual effects option becomes unchecked - meaning none is checked. Then if you reselect 'Extra' it resets your compiz options
[01:49] <DanaG> That's bad.  Trampling on users' options is bad.
[01:49] <alastair_> Especially when they're mine!
[01:50] <alastair_> It doesn't reset options for features that are by default unchecked, however.
[01:52] <tarelerulz> I can't seem to check the file properties on  .mkv files on my system .  Do I need something more to do that?
[01:55] <hti_pro> can i remove compiz altogether if i don't plan to use it
[01:55] <hti_pro> or does something depend on it
[01:57] <Jordan_U> hti_pro, you can remove it safely when Hardy goes stable but if you remove it now you might want to re-install ubuntu-desktop for any large updates
[01:57] <hti_pro> alright, any major bugs, like system killing bugs an issue right now
[01:59] <coz_> so any fixes for the updates anytime soon ? :)
[02:00] <alastair_> Should gthumb be installed by default? Cos it ain't
[02:01] <tarelerulz> Is there any normal reason that I could  not see the file properties on an .mkv file ?
[02:01] <arbeck> I'm having a problem with smbclient that i didn't have in 7.10.  When I run this command:  //DEBIAN/web -A/home/arbeck/.creds I get this message: Server requested plaintext password but 'client use plaintext auth' is disabled
[02:02] <hti_pro> where are you running that command from the ubuntu cli
[02:02] <hti_pro> nevermind stupid question
[02:03] <arbeck> I assume I just have to enable client use plaintext auth.  But I have no idea where to do that
[02:03] <hti_pro> your server is trying to use plaintext authentication and your client has plain text auth disabled
[02:04] <arbeck> well, how do i enable plain text auth on the client?
[02:04] <hti_pro> samba.org is having problems right now so i dont know for sure, but i think it is in the /etc/samba/smb.conf
[02:04] <hti_pro> file
[02:07] <hti_pro> not sure what you are gonna be looking for though
[02:07] <hti_pro> i don't understand why the server is requestion plain text auth
[02:07] <hti_pro> is it a linux server
[02:08] <hti_pro> if its windows anything 98 or above should default to no plain text auth
[02:08] <arbeck> it's the way it's always been... i've never had any problems... I've had that debian server up for years, and I've been connecting with ubuntu since 5.04
[02:10] <hti_pro> maybe a default changed in the new release
[02:10] <arbeck> did they change the way samba restarts in hardy?  This no longer works: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[02:10] <macogw> does rhythmbox still tell you you're not allowed to shut down because it's busy playing music?
[02:10] <Dr_willis>  sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[02:10] <Dr_willis>  * Stopping Samba   [ OK ]
[02:10] <Dr_willis> it works here. :)
[02:11] <hti_pro> not sure, don't use samba if i don't have to
[02:11] <hti_pro> and i dont have to
[02:11] <hti_pro> no microsoft winblows here
[02:12] <swuboo> hti_pro:  You're a better man than I, Gunga Din.
[02:12] <arbeck> well, my debian webserver dates from when i still had windows boxes around, it's been easier to keep using samba then mess with reconfiguring the server
[02:13] <hti_pro> Microsoft protocols keep me up at night
[02:13] <hti_pro> make that microsoft anything
[02:14] <swuboo> Windows Genuine Advantage has seen its own shadow; you must now telephone a call center in India.
[02:19] <hti_pro> when i did run windows i never had a problem with wga, and I never once ran a legit version
[02:19] <hti_pro> i guess they aren't the most retarded, but if they were smart that would have happened years ago
[02:19] <hti_pro> stil they are near the bottom end
[02:20] <sivel27> hello all, i just upgraded from 7.10 to heron, and now my on bord video (nvidia 6150) is forever in low graphics mode,, any suggestions?
[02:21] <swuboo> A friend of mine has a perfectly legit copy of XP which got nailed by WGA.
[02:21] <Dr_willis> You might need to manually install the nvidia-glx drivers sivel27
[02:21] <jimmygoon> jesus, firefox crashes every 5 minutes
[02:21] <sivel27> using apt-get?
[02:21] <Dr_willis> swuboo,  several 1000 people had that happen a few months back. or was that with vista? i forget.
[02:22] <Dr_willis> sivel27,  yes. :)
[02:22] <swuboo> I think that was Vista.  This was a year or two back.  He just turned on his computer one day, and blammo, an hour on the phone.
[02:22] <sivel27> thank you, im doing it right now...
[02:23] <Dr_willis> I recall there being some vista glitz where sevearl comercial-oem? licenses got flagged as being bad.
[02:23] <Dr_willis> That would make Dell so Happy if all their machines got flagged as pirated at once..  Imagine the call center  phones on that day
[02:25] <daekdroom> That'd be like Dell and M$ breaking at the same day :p
[02:26] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, Have you tried using flashblock? ( it's probably the flash plugin which is crashing )
[02:26] <swuboo> The one time I ever had a problem with Windows activation, the guy on the phone asked me if I had that copy of Windows installed on any other computers.  When I said, "Hell no, all my other computers are Linux," he cracked up and reactivated my Windows install on the spot.
[02:26] <jimmygoon> Jordan_U, yeah, its flash.... why is it crashing so darn much
[02:26] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, Adobe hates Linux?
[02:27] <swuboo> jimmygoon:  I've had so damn many problems with Flash in Firefox that I just gave up and disabled it.
[02:27] <jimmygoon> heh, its getting really old. why doesn't ubuntu rollback to the older/more stable version?
[02:27] <jimmygoon> I have no alternative and there is too much that I use that needs flash :/
[02:28] <swuboo> jimmygoon:  I can understand that; I don't know what to tell you.  What if you rolled it back manually?
[02:28] <jimmygoon> swuboo, I may toy with that tomorrow
[02:28] <swuboo> It's probably your best bet.  Are you using 64bit or 32?
[02:29] <Flannel> jimmygoon: Are you sure its an Ubuntu problem?  The issue with flash is the package grabs the source of the macradobe site, if they only have that one version (or the link is down) there's not a whole lot we can do about it.
[02:29] <jimmygoon> Flannel, grr, I forgot about that
[02:29] <sivel27> well, in installed the nvidia-glx, rebooted, and still the same
[02:29] <swuboo> If you're using x64, you might want to try using a wrapper to install the 32-bit version.
[02:29] <jimmygoon> nah, I'm on 32 bit
[02:30] <sivel27> im gonna try fglrx
[02:30] <swuboo> jimmygoon:  Ah.
[02:30] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, I have heard that using nspluginwrapper will prevent FF from going down with flash
[02:30] <hti_pro> theres a saying i always loved,  computers are like air conditioners, they don't work well when you open windows
[02:31]  * Jordan_U thinks plugins shouldn't be able to bring down the browser so easily
[02:32] <swuboo> That's funny, I went to look at my own drivers, and the Hardware Drivers applet says that nvidia is enabled but "Not in use."
[02:32] <jimmygoon> Yeah, whats with that... I never thought about it before... but its sort of a load carp that flash can crash ALL of firefox
[02:33] <Dr_willis> nvidia 6150  does not use fglrx.
[02:33] <Jordan_U> IIRC konqyeror keeps plugins as a separate process
[02:33] <swuboo> Does anyone know offhand what command will tell you what graphics driver is being used?
[02:33] <crdlb> Jordan_U: yeah it does, or at least the webkit version
[02:34] <crdlb> webkit-gtk will have that feature too
[02:34] <Dr_willis> you can check the xorg logs some where.   I installed the nvidia-glx-new package for my card, ran the nvidia-xconfig tool,  and then restarted X. you dont need to reboot normally.
[02:34] <crdlb> maybe gecko will do it one day; they say they're considering it
[02:34] <macogw> crdlb: webkit's based on konqueror
[02:34] <Dr_willis> My working xorg.conf for my Nvidia card --> http://pastebin.com/f85d99aa
[02:35] <daekdroom> konkeror is based on webkit
[02:35] <crdlb> macogw: webkit is based on khtml :)
[02:35] <Flannel> webkit is based off of KHTML
[02:35] <Jordan_U> macogw, Sort of, webkit is based on KHTML, you can use KHTML ( default ) or webkit in konq
[02:35] <crdlb> and konqueror is being ported to use webkit
[02:35] <macogw> crdlb: yeah
[02:35] <Flannel> Just like most likely, plugins aren't to blame, Firefox itself is, as a rendering engine shouldn't be touching plugins.
[02:35] <macogw> Jordan_U: when did it get an option for that?
[02:36] <FastZ> so I successfully installed Hardy beta 4 on a 10 year old HP Pavilion running a 500Mhz Intel Celeron CPU with 128Mb of RAM today...rather impressed
[02:36] <Flannel> er, s/plugins /gecko /
[02:36] <macogw> FastZ: awesome
[02:36] <daekdroom> FastZ: There isn't Hardy beta 4. There's Alpha 4 and Beta :p
[02:36] <bazhang> FastZ: nice! am going to put it on my eeepc ;]
[02:36] <FastZ> Oops, my mistake.  well, it's the beta version
[02:37] <wabiD> is that impressive, i would kind of expect it to run
[02:37] <Jordan_U> bazhang, You know that Compiz Fusion works smooth as butter on the eeepc right? :)
[02:37] <macogw> wabiD: idk its using more mem for me than gutsy did
[02:37] <wabiD> more memory doesnt mean its slower
[02:37] <macogw> probably a lot more caching i guesss...but my gig is almost fully used up at all times
[02:37] <bazhang> Jordan_U: hehe well that is interesting ;]
[02:37] <swuboo> How bizarre:  I just asked the index tool to search for "x".  It told me nothing was found, and asked if I meant, "7".
[02:37] <macogw> wtf
[02:37] <wabiD> if things are loaded into memory instead of running from the hard drive, you would expect them to be faster
[02:37] <Flannel> macogw: unused memory is wasted memory
[02:37] <crdlb> macogw: unused ram is wasted ram :)
[02:37] <macogw> WEIRD
[02:38] <wabiD> exactly
[02:38] <macogw> somebody owes somebody a soda
[02:38] <Jordan_U> swuboo, Asks me if I meant 5 :)
[02:38] <swuboo> Heh.
[02:39] <mc-george> anyone know of a program similar to convertxtodvd that will use my quad core processor?
[02:39] <Dr_willis> mc-george,  and what does that program do?
[02:40] <wabiD> its crappy avi to dvd software
[02:40] <mc-george> dr_willis: video encoding
[02:40] <Dr_willis> thers  avi to dvd video software for linux.
[02:40] <sivel27> that didnt work either :( fglrx, or nvidia-glx
[02:40] <Dr_willis> i use devede mainly
[02:40] <hti_pro> I'm happy to say that I just updated all of my hardy packages, and have no problems at least with basic functionality, of course the main purpose is mythtv
[02:40] <Dr_willis> sivel27,  trying things at random is windows thinking.
[02:40] <Jordan_U> Is there a way to tell tracker to dedicate as many resources as possible to index over night once or something, kind of like "updatedb" ? ( except updatedb is a lot faster than that :)
[02:41] <Dr_willis> sivel27,   fglrx is NOT for nvidia cards.
[02:41] <swuboo> That's bizarre.  xorg.conf confirms that the driver that should be loading is 'nvidia' but the Hardy's Hardware Driver doodad says the nvidia driver is 'not in use.'
[02:41] <Dr_willis> swuboo,  ive niticed that befor also.
[02:41] <Jordan_U> swuboo, Do you get any errors from "sudo modprobe nvidia" ?
[02:41] <swuboo> Also, the indexer in Hardy says no files match the search string, 'xorg.conf"
[02:41] <sivel27> ah. thats silly of me
[02:42] <swuboo> Jordan_U:  Nope, that returns no text.
[02:42] <Jordan_U> swuboo, I think it only searches your home folder by default
[02:42] <Jordan_U> swuboo, Are you getting 3D acceleration?
[02:42] <swuboo> Jordan_U:  You're right, it is only searching my home directory.  And yes, I'm getting 3D acceleration.
[02:43] <swuboo> I think the Hardware Drivers applet is just lying to me.
[02:48] <sivel27> not much in the forums on the issue...
[02:49] <swuboo> sivel27:  Have you tried the proprietary 'nvidia' driver?
[02:49] <esox> could somone make a test for me : run winecfg if wine is installed of course
[02:49] <swuboo> esox:  Okay.
[02:50] <swuboo> esox: Anything in particular you're looking for?
[02:50] <esox> swuboo: does it start ?
[02:50] <swuboo> Yes.  I get some terminal errors about memory usage, then it starts.
[02:50] <esox> swuboo: I only have the errors...
[02:51] <swuboo> err:dosmem:setup_dos_mem Cannot use first megabyte for DOS address space, please report preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000  Those two, repeated a total of ten times.
[02:51] <sivel27> well, right before i get into the login screen, a message comes up telling me the systems running in low-res mode, so i click configure, and have tried to select the two drivers they have for my gfx card, but they both fail., if thats what you mean by enabling the default drivers.
[02:51] <esox> swuboo: those errors ?
[02:51] <esox> http://pastebin.org/29348
[02:51] <beata> Growlp.
[02:51] <Jordan_U> esox, Try temporarily renaming your .wine folder : mv ~/.wine ~/.wine-bak
[02:52] <esox> Jordan_U: ok
[02:52] <swuboo> Yes.  Those exactly, five times each.
[02:52] <swuboo> But, winecfg then successfully opens.
[02:52] <swuboo> Hmm.  No, I don't mean the default drivers---I mean the restricted one.
[02:53] <swuboo> Er, that last was directed at sivel27.
[02:53]  * beata asks for ideas about how to configure console font.
[02:53] <sivel27> not yet, ill try that now
[02:54] <swuboo> sivel27:  It's probably worth a go.
[02:54] <esox> Jordan_U: If I rename .WIne, I have 5 times repetition of the error msg like swuboo, but it doesn't start
[02:54] <esox> swuboo: what kernel ?
[02:54] <Jordan_U> beata, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup"
[02:54] <esox> Jordan_U: and I cant stop the process with ctrl C
[02:55] <swuboo> esox:  Whatever the current Hardy version of x64 is, lemme check.
[02:55] <beata> console-setup doesn't show any of the Terminus fonts to choose.
[02:55] <esox> Jordan_U: and I have wineser idle and winecfg : not interruptible
[02:56] <esox> sorry for the translation !
[02:56] <esox> swuboo: I'm on 32bits 2.6.24-16 RT
[02:56] <beata> If I set the font by hand in /etc/default/console-setup, it asks me to install the 'kbd' package.
[02:56] <hti_pro> what is the rc file to start apps when X starts
[02:56] <swuboo> beata:  If you open up a terminal window, Edit, Profiles..., Edit, General tab.
[02:57] <hti_pro> .xinitrc in home directory??
[02:57] <esox> I already had kernel issues that prented me to start puredata, I reinstalled the kernel and puredata starts again
[02:57] <esox> prevented
[02:57] <swuboo> beata:  You can set the terminal's font there.
[02:57] <swuboo> beata:  Or did you mean the console console, as in with X not running?
[02:57] <esox> swuboo: and I cant kill the wincfg process
[02:57] <beata> Console, yes.
[02:58] <Jordan_U> esox, killall -9 wine
[02:58] <esox> Jordan_U: answer : no process killed
[02:58] <swuboo> beata:  I have no idea then, I'm sorry.
[02:59] <crdlb> if it's in uninterruptible sleep, there's no way to kill it
[02:59] <hti_pro> esox: try  killall -9 $(pidof wine)
[02:59] <Jordan_U> esox, pgrep wine
[02:59] <esox> crdlb: I already had that issue with puredata (ubuntu studio), I solved by reinstalling the kernel
[03:00] <beata> I suspect it's going to require either a script tweak or a package change, but that's out of my purview as a user at the moment.
[03:00] <esox> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.org/29351
[03:01] <Jordan_U> esox, "kill -9 8116 8120 8227 8455"
[03:02] <hti_pro> using $(pidof wine)  will take care of all of those processes
[03:02] <dotech> This is getting agitating:
[03:02] <hti_pro> should
[03:02] <esox> Jordan_U: no luck, still alive
[03:02] <dotech> 6068 dotech    20   0  287m 7752 5908 S  100  0.1 340:56.06 evolution-data-
[03:02] <dotech> 100% CPU for 340 minutes
[03:02] <hti_pro> esox did you try what i suggested
[03:03] <esox> hti_pro: sudo killall -0 8120 ?
[03:03] <esox> sorry, -9
[03:03] <dotech> should i kill evolution-data-?
[03:03] <dotech> it has been consuming 100% of one of my cores for 4 hours
[03:03] <sivel27> ok, when i lick on the restricted drivers menu, nothing even comes up
[03:03] <esox> hti_pro: or sudo killall -9 $(8120) ?
[03:03] <dotech> rather, 6 hours
[03:03] <sivel27> click
[03:04] <hti_pro> esox try sudo killall -9 $(pidof wine)
[03:04] <esox> hti_pro: no success
[03:04] <hti_pro> type it exactly as i put it
[03:04] <hti_pro> $(pidof wine) is a command
[03:04] <swuboo> sivel27:  The Hardware Drivers applet on my computer doesn't even register that I'm running the driver, for some reason.
[03:04] <swuboo> sivel27:  Try backing up xorg.conf, changing the driver line to 'nvidia', and restarting X.
[03:04] <hti_pro> $(pidof wine)  will be replaced by all pids of wine
[03:05] <sivel27> ok, will do
[03:05] <esox> hti_pro: http://pastebin.org/29352
[03:05] <Jordan_U> hti_pro, will that get wineserv or winecfg ?
[03:05] <crdlb> no
[03:06] <sivel27> hmm, its already on nvidia
[03:06] <dotech> strace shows 6068 doing nothing
[03:06] <crdlb> pidof matches exactly
[03:06] <hti_pro> try just kill instead of killall
[03:06] <dotech> yet its consuming 100% of my cpu
[03:06] <dotech> anyone know what i can check now?
[03:06] <sivel27> for identifier, it says device0
[03:06] <swuboo> sivel27:  Yeah, that's as it should be.
[03:06] <hti_pro> i don't thing so, but it might
[03:06] <sivel27> so im s-o-l?
[03:06] <swuboo> I dunno.
[03:07] <esox> hti_pro: http://pastebin.org/29354
[03:07] <dotech> has anyone ever even heard of "evolution-data-"?
[03:07] <swuboo> sivel27:  I honestly am not sure.  You're still having the exact same problem?
[03:07] <sivel27> yup.
[03:07] <crdlb> esox: that means pidof wine returned nothing
[03:07] <hti_pro> try kill -9 $('pidof wine')
[03:07] <hti_pro> i know this works, i use it all the time
[03:08] <hti_pro> is wine still running
[03:08] <savvas> how about: killall -9 wine
[03:08] <savvas> :)
[03:08] <savvas> you're trying to kill wine server?
[03:08] <esox> hti_pro: no success
[03:08] <hti_pro> that might work as well
[03:08] <crdlb> hti_pro: adding quotes would just make bash try to run that all as one commmand :)
[03:08] <swuboo> sivel27:  I guess you could try the main Ubuntu channel, if no one here can help.
[03:08] <hti_pro> do a ps aux | grep wine
[03:08] <hti_pro> which it should
[03:09] <hti_pro> i think it should even without them though
[03:09] <crdlb> no
[03:09] <savvas> wineserver -k
[03:09] <crdlb> as in "pidof wine": command not found
[03:09] <savvas> this works as well
[03:09] <hti_pro> ?
[03:09] <esox> hti_pro: http://pastebin.org/29355
[03:09] <dotech> evolution-data- is taking 100% of my CPU but i don't even have any binary of the name evolution-data*
[03:09] <dotech> how is this even possible
[03:10] <crdlb> dotech: they're in /usr/libexec
[03:10] <macogw> dotech: it's evolution-data-server
[03:10] <macogw> its what runs your calendar in the panel
[03:10] <dotech> weird
[03:10] <savvas> dotech: ps ax| grep evolution-data-
[03:10] <dotech> tab completion doesn't even find it
[03:10] <hti_pro> esox i don't know then
[03:11] <dotech> savvas: ah, yeah that shows the full name
[03:11] <esox> hti_pro: wine was running perfectly on gutsy. I think there are still kernel issues
[03:11] <dotech> now i have to figure out why this server went nuts
[03:11] <savvas> dotech: it also shows you the pid number
[03:11] <savvas> you could probably kill it and restart it
[03:11] <dotech> yea i knew that already, i tried strace but it doesn't do anything
[03:11] <crdlb> esox: as I said earlier, there's nothing you can do to coax uninterruptible processes to die
[03:11] <Sergeant_Pony> I'm really confused.... jockey-gtk crashes when I try to pull up device drivers. No indication  as of why.. Did a search for bugs and there is several of them... anyone been able to fix there's or can someone help me find out why it crashes?
[03:11] <crdlb> that's what the D means
[03:12] <dotech> savvas: i would prefer to figure out what it is doing so i can fix it first :)
[03:12] <crdlb> the kernel has locked them, and only it can unlock them
[03:12] <hti_pro> esox, i think crdlb is right
[03:12] <dotech> if some poor soul didn't have 4 CPUs like i do they would be in a world of pain right now
[03:12] <esox> crdlb: I dont care about that, I reboot and it dies, my problem is that I cant start wine or wincecfg
[03:12] <icanhasadmin> crdlb is always right :P
[03:12] <savvas> dotech: apt-cache show evolution-data-server ...good luck with that :p
[03:12] <hti_pro> icanhasadmin: i will keep that in mind
[03:13] <dotech> savvas: thanks
[03:13] <esox> crdlb: it creates memory errors, from winehq channel, its because its trying to start dos memory mapping
[03:13] <crdlb> esox: does it work with the -generic kernel?
[03:14] <jumpkic1> can someone plz point me at a doc that explains how I turn a bunch of .o files in /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-16-generic/nvidia_new into an "nvidia" kernel module I can actually load?
[03:15] <crdlb> jumpkic1: lrm-manager does that at boot
[03:15] <crdlb> during the linux-restricted-modules-common init script
[03:15] <esox> crdlb: didnt try that... I'll do that tomorrow, its late for me now
[03:17] <dotech> looks like its bug #151536
[03:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151536 in evolution-data-server "Hangs on login and uses 100% cpu" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151536
[03:18] <MrKeuner> hi, how can I log vino connections(attempts)?
[03:19] <keith__> Ok, I've updated to 8.04 and as many before me, my wireless is not working, Broadcom 4318.  I've tried reading through the documentation in the Ubuntu site and it is more confusing than assembling a gas BBQ.  Anyone have time to give a hand?
[03:19] <nickrud> keith__ #ubuntu+1 is handling hardy questions until release,  /j #ubuntu+1
[03:19] <nickrud> dagn, wrong channel again
[03:19] <keith__> nickrud, no problem!
[03:20] <MrKeuner> can I log vino connections(attempts)?
[03:21] <hti_pro> how can i monitor an app and reload it anytime it is ended
[03:21] <beata> Hmm.
[03:22] <hti_pro> i guess i could write a script but is there any apps for this purpose
[03:22] <hti_pro> like some kind of wathdog timer
[03:23] <dotech> watch dog
[03:23] <dotech> watchdog*
[03:24] <hti_pro> that is literally an app?  configurable to watch a process or app of my choice
[03:24] <billisnice> welcome to the jungle!
[03:26] <jscinoz> Hey guys, i'm using the icedtea-gcjwebplugin, and it seems to ignore pulseaudio. If there is no sound playing already, the plugin will eat /dev/dsp and block anything else from outputting sound, or if /dev/dsp is already in use java won't output sound. Is there any way to get either gcjwebplugin or sun-java6-plugin to use pulseaudio?
[03:28] <xtknight> shouldn't the web browser in preferred applications settings also change the link to x-www-browser?  they seem to be independent to me
[03:29] <dotech> what tool do you guys use in hardy to view system temperatures?
[03:30] <swuboo> dotech:  Blind faith in my fans, usually.
[03:31] <dotech> swuboo: lol
[03:31] <Sergeant_Pony> same here
[03:31] <dotech> i trust my fans, but i plan to overclock this 2.4 processor to 3.4-3.6 so i need to know ;)
[03:31] <swuboo> dotech:  lm-sensors comes to mind.
[03:32] <dotech> that looks like the one, thanks swuboo
[03:33] <swuboo> Sure.
[03:33] <swuboo> I never found a decent front-end widget for it, so it's always just vaguely running somewhere in the background.
[03:34] <dotech> seems like there's a handful of different front ends
[03:34] <dotech> sensors-applet, i'll give that a shot
[03:36] <hti_pro> what is the applet that knoppix uses
[03:36] <beata> ksensors works well enough, if you lean that way.
[03:37] <hti_pro> i always liked that one
[03:37] <beata> Although the display IS a bit flyspeck.
[03:37] <dotech> haha, i'll try sensors-applet first which seems to be intended for GNOME, but whatever works
[03:38] <keith__> Anyone with ideas on how to get a broadcom wireless (4318) working?
[03:39] <swuboo> Hmm.
[03:40] <LOB|LoBo> I'm having trouble getting a vfat partition to mount with proper permissions through fstab
[03:40] <macogw> keith__: bcm43xx-fwcutter? its in the restricted driver manager
[03:40] <keith__> macogw, I can't get the restricted drivers to start up
[03:41] <macogw> oh
[03:41] <macogw> well thats bad but then just install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[03:41] <macogw> and if that bug's not reported, go do it
[03:42] <beata> The manager thingy..jasper is it?
[03:42] <keith__> I tried to install and it said it already was.  I've tried the best I can to follow the info in the ubuntu site.
[03:42] <keith__> Nothing works
[03:42] <kindofabuzz> what repo contains firefox 3b5?  and is it possible to add that to gutsy just to upgrade to 3b5 from 3b4?
[03:42] <Killeroid> macogw: i think you meant he should install b43-fwcutter
[03:43] <keith__> macogw, I think I'll try to reinstall 7.10, if that does not fix it, back to XP as the laptop came.
[03:43] <macogw> Killeroid: it changed names?
[03:43] <LOB|LoBo> i had trouble with the same thing keith
[03:43] <macogw> keith__: do what killer said
[03:43] <tech0007> kindofabuzz: if i were you, i'd install 3b5 direct from mozilla
[03:43] <LOB|LoBo> after i did the partial upgrade
[03:43] <Killeroid> macogw: new broadcom wireless driver
[03:44] <macogw> Killeroid: wow everything got new wireless drivers
[03:44] <Killeroid> keith__: install b43-fwcutter
[03:44] <LOB|LoBo> i reinstalled and did a dist-upgrade and it worked then
[03:44] <kindofabuzz> tech0007, yeah but i wanna "install" it, not just run it from a folder.  that way i get the updates
[03:44] <LOB|LoBo> fixed the problem with hardware drivers
[03:44] <hti_pro> keith__: you better watch that language thems fightin words
[03:45] <Killeroid> keith__: if you will pm me i can help you
[03:45] <LOB|LoBo> I'm having trouble getting a vfat partition to mount so that users can edit and delete files, anyone know how to set up fstab for that
[03:45] <tech0007> kindofabuzz: i dont see 3b5 anywhere in gutsy repos
[03:46] <kindofabuzz> i know, that's what i'm asking. it's in the hardy repos
[03:46] <kindofabuzz> tech0007, i'm asking what HARDY repo it's in
[03:47] <keith__> hti_pro, sorry, upgrade venting!
[03:47] <macogw> LOB|LoBo: uid= and gid= on the options
[03:47] <macogw> LOB|LoBo: you could make the gid be a "users" group and put them all in there
[03:48] <keith__> hti_pro, I did say re-install 7.10 first!
[03:48] <keith__> Killeroid, installed, no what action should I take?
[03:49] <Killeroid> keith__: now, run hardware drivers again
[03:49] <hti_pro> keith__:  i understand, thats a greate idea, the 7.10 thing,  I am confident that that will solve your problem, I had a broadcom wifi card work from fresh isntall on 7.1
[03:49] <LOB|LoBo> macogw: heres the line from fstab: UUID=453C-F40D  /media/fatty    vfat    auto,users,umask=0000,gid=users 0       0
[03:50] <Kenshi> Hey guys
[03:50] <macogw> LOB|LoBo: now if all your users are in the users group it *should* work
[03:50] <keith__> hti_pro, so am I!  I'm just frustrated, as I'm sure we all get from time to time.  Ubuntu will stay where it is here on my machines!
[03:50] <macogw> LOB|LoBo: maybe add rw to it
[03:50] <Kenshi> Guys, i have a question about that firefox slowdown problem that happens when compiz is enabled, using ATI cards.
[03:50] <LOB|LoBo> macogw: everyone is in users, the odd thing is that one folder on the drive actually has rw but the other just has w
[03:51] <macogw> just w?
[03:51] <macogw> weird...
[03:51] <hti_pro> wifi drivers are the main reason i use ubuntu, otherwise it would be pure debian, it is also a great transitional distro for switching from winblows
[03:51] <LOB|LoBo> i'm sorry read
[03:51] <hti_pro> keith__: my wife is very stubborn
[03:51] <Kenshi> I was told that Hardy should fix the problem. Well, it doesn't
[03:51] <macogw> fat is crap on permissions understanding but umm...what are the mount point's permissions when nothing's mounted there?
[03:52] <keith__> hti_pro, I hear you!
[03:52] <LOB|LoBo> macogw: the rw fixed it, thanks
[03:53] <Kenshi> I've tried the open ATI drivers, but the problem was just the same. Then i did install the official ATI driver with Envy NG, but when i started compiz, i got a blank screen
[03:53] <macogw> LOB|LoBo: yay
[03:53] <icanhasadmin> Kenshi: your problem is envy
[03:53] <Kenshi> Any hint on why this is happening or how i can fix this?
[03:53] <LOB|LoBo> macogw: yea that was buggin the heck out of me
[03:54] <Kenshi> Okie, but what driver i should use? Or the restricted fglrx from ubuntu?
[03:54] <Kenshi> * The offical ATI's or the restricted..
[03:55] <icanhasadmin> Kenshi: in hardy, use ubuntu's.. same driver and it shouldn't break
[03:58] <Kenshi> Hm, nice. Thx. The final question: the restricted drivers manager is broken on my hardy's update, so i can't install fglrx directly by ubuntu. There's a way to fix this or to install the driver correctly bypassing restricted drivers module? Synaptic perhaps?
[03:59] <Killeroid> keith__: if hardware drivers is still being annoying, just install b43-fwcutter and then follow the instructions here : http://pastebin.ca/983173
[03:59] <icanhasadmin> Kenshi: actually, the restricted drivers manager techincally isn't broken i don't believe
[03:59] <keith__> Killeroid, thanks!  I will look....
[04:00] <keith__> Restricted Drivers Manager is just not working for me.
[04:00] <icanhasadmin> brb
[04:00] <Kenshi> Well, it is not starting, and i get a crash report notification everytime i try to start it
[04:02] <Kenshi> Any idea?
[04:02] <Kenshi> Installing the driver by synaptic perhaps?
[04:03] <LOB|LoBo> kenshi: i reinstalled and did a aptitude dist-upgrade to fix my restricted driver manager
[04:04] <Kenshi> reinstalled hardy's? omb
[04:04] <Kenshi> omg
[04:04] <jthomas> Hello all!
[04:04] <LOB|LoBo> kenshi: yea i dunno, i think it was the partial upgrade that broke it
[04:04] <Kenshi> Well, thx a lot, i'll try this
[04:04] <Arv3n> DJones, are you Dr. Jones?
[04:05] <LOB|LoBo> anyone tried getting that global menu applet working in hardy heron?
[04:06] <fidelio> any guru on CUPS installation?
[04:08] <Killeroid> did anyone notice that you cannot select the super key + any other combination for a keyboard shortcut
[04:09] <Killeroid> its so annoying, i am used to hitting super+d to minimze all windows and show desktop
[04:09] <xtknight> Killeroid, yeah
[04:09] <xtknight> i think so... but i remember getting super+d working somehow
[04:09] <xtknight> oh it was thru gconf-editor
[04:10] <xtknight> you have to do <Mod4>D
[04:10] <xtknight> should be filed as a bug anyways.
[04:11] <Killeroid> xtknight: mhm
[04:11] <nickrud> been a bug for years
[04:11] <Killeroid> nickrud: used to work for me on gutsy
[04:11] <keith__> Killeroid, sorry, didn't work for me!
[04:11] <xtknight> naw it didn't work on gutsy either
[04:12] <xtknight> at least not for me
[04:13] <Killeroid> keith__: really? rm "lsmod" and pastebin the contents
[04:13] <xtknight> bug 12153
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 12153 in gnome-control-center "Cannot use Windows key in keyboard shortcuts" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12153
[04:13] <xtknight> "Declined  for Hardy"
[04:13] <xtknight> :O
[04:13] <Killeroid> keith__: and also "dmesg" (just pastebin the last 20 lines of dmesg
[04:13] <xtknight> looks like that isn't getting fixed anytime soon.
[04:15] <Killeroid> xtknight: do you remember which gconf key you eidted to get it working?
[04:17] <xtknight> Killeroid, /apps/metacity/global_keybindings
[04:18] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, Keith__ here.  Thank your for your help.  It eventually worked!  My wireless is now working again.
[04:18] <xtknight> show_desktop.  set it to <Mod4>D
[04:18] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: hurray!!!
[04:18] <Killeroid> xtknight: thanks a lot
[04:18] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, you bet!!!  Nice, easy to follow instructions, thanks!
[04:18] <xtknight> yeah it's pretty convenient
[04:19] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, I just wish Broacomm would come on board and make this an easy thing to do!
[04:19] <compaqr4000> *Broadcom
[04:20] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: mhm
[04:21] <compaqr4000> hti_pro, as you said, I'm back up and running with the help here!
[04:22] <hti_pro> ubuntu is the king, but remember without debian there would be no ubuntu
[04:22] <compaqr4000> hti_pro, hail Debian!
[04:24] <compaqr4000> I have another, older wired machine that I upgraded with no issues at all....so I thought I'd try my laptop..........yikes
[04:26] <Killeroid> yeah, i upgraded from gutsy and the new wireless driver messed up everything. for some reason, my wireless card was recognized as a modem. how in the hell that happened i dont know. i wiped everything and installed yesterdays build, burned the iso to a cd and reinstalled hardy
[04:29] <compaqr4000> Wow, laptops are a tough nut to crack.
[04:31] <compaqr4000> And then I go and throw a Beta OS at it!
[04:31] <x1250> :)
[04:32] <compaqr4000> But, I would have it no other way!
[04:34] <compaqr4000> Hey, now that I have a stable OS here, is it possible to burn a custom CD?
[04:37] <tacone> is flashplayer still broken ?
[04:39] <compaqr4000> And, while I'm throwing out ideas here, how to get a secondary display working on a laptop?
[04:40] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: burn a cd   applications> sound and video > brasero disk burning
[04:41] <Killeroid> tacone: flash player has been working perfectly for the past week
[04:41] <tanner> Killeroid: i think he meant burn a custom cd of his install
[04:42] <Killeroid> oh, ok
[04:42] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[04:42] <Killeroid> daily builds of hardy beta
[04:42] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, yes, a custom cd....
[04:42] <xtknight> so is there some 'easy interface' for qemu yet?
[04:42] <compaqr4000> tanner, thanks
[04:42] <tanner> xtknight: CLI :)
[04:42] <xtknight> tanner, what is virt-manager?
[04:43] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, I'd love to build one as I have installed right now.  With wireless working and everything.
[04:43] <tanner> virt-manager?
[04:43] <tanner> hell if i know
[04:44] <xtknight> supposed to be a frontend for qemu (i think), just not having much luck using it
[04:44] <tanner> ah, i have no idea
[04:44] <tanner> i user vmware myself
[04:44] <xtknight> same here
[04:44] <xtknight> exprerimenting with qemu because i'm sick of vmware destroying my shift/ctrl keys
[04:44] <xtknight> technically hardy bug i guess
[04:45] <xtknight> vbox cant run 64bit guests so that was out
[04:45] <tanner> hardy and vmware do not get along
[04:45] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: long process, it easier if you just backup only   /lib/firmware/b43      the broadcom wifi files are sotred there. anytime you reinstall, just copy that folder back to /lib/firmware/ and restart and wifi will wkr
[04:45] <tanner> xtknight: i assume this occurs after control + alt + enter where after shift/control do not work yes?
[04:45] <ayllu> some know hoy to configure a ipaq for copy files
[04:45] <xtknight> tanner, yea.  funny thing is, it doens't happen in kde4
[04:45] <ayllu> some know how to configure a ipaq for copy files
[04:46] <xtknight> actually i haven't tried it in GNOME a second time.  didn't really have any desire to when i saw a page full of people confirming the problem
[04:46] <xtknight> thing doesnt maximize/restore half the time in gnome anyway
[04:46] <tanner> i have the same issue
[04:46] <tanner> its fine if i dont go full screen though
[04:46] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, ok.  No "remasterme" in Ubuntu?
[04:46] <xtknight> i have multimonitors so a double-doozy
[04:46] <tanner> xtknight: something, likely a compiz bug, prevents the release of the keyboard properly from vmware
[04:47] <xtknight> tanner,  yeah i don even use compiz
[04:47] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: you can roll your own custom installation cd but its too complicated(thats code for i dont know how to)
[04:47] <tanner> for example, i am unable to use caps when i full screen vmware
[04:47] <xtknight> my caps work fine within vmware, but not outside it
[04:47] <tanner> thats my meaning
[04:47] <xtknight> xev can listen to the events, compared my xev with another person's correct xev, no difference.  something with gnome/metacity
[04:47] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, hahaha, no problem.  If it is not fairly easy, I don't want to get into it at the moment!
[04:47] <tanner> not sure why vmware wont release properly
[04:48] <tanner> however its a bug with something within heron :-\
[04:48] <xtknight> restarting X fixes it too
[04:48] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: my method of just backing up /lib/firmware/b43 works. i have used it about 4 times to restore my boraodcom wireless after reinstalling
[04:48] <xtknight> brb adding user to group
[04:48] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, here is another brain picker for you (sorry for so many) how about a general backup of everything to a bigger USB drive?
[04:49] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: thats easy, lots of apps available for that
[04:50] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, wasn't there one I read about somewhere called "timevault" or something like that?
[04:50] <compaqr4000> My memory is a bit fuzzy
[04:50] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: yeah, timevault
[04:51] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, works under Ubuntu?
[04:51] <xtknight> tanner, have you tried qemu on hardy then?
[04:51] <xtknight> or kqemu
[04:52] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: yeah, it does
[04:52] <tanner> never got it working properly
[04:52] <tanner> im satisfied with vmware
[04:52] <x1250> virtualbox?
[04:52] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, I just want an easy, one click backup and one click restore solution.
[04:53] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: i prefer sbackup, its point and lcick and easy. and if i am not mistaken its in the hardy repos
[04:53] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, thank, I'll check
[04:54] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, yes it is, installing.......
[04:54] <Killeroid> nice
[04:55] <compaqr4000> You know this little laptop melted like 3 ice packs during the upgrade?  Those ones you keep in the freezer for sore muscles.
[04:55] <ayllu> hi someone know how to configure a ipaq for copy files
[04:55] <compaqr4000> I had to rest it on them to keep it from overheating!
[04:55] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: your own really expensive portable toaster
[04:56] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, yeah, it keeps my main floor nice and toasty!
[04:56] <compaqr4000> It never did  so under XP though....hmmmm
[04:57] <Killeroid> does it still run that hot after upgrading?
[04:57] <compaqr4000> I must be missing a setting
[04:57] <compaqr4000> Yes, still hot as hell
[04:58] <compaqr4000> I can defrost a 12 oz steak in under 15 minutes
[04:59] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: a while back, when i was using gutsy, i had the same proble, disabling powernowd fixed the problem. i do have powernowd enabled in hardy right but still havent run into the temperature problem
[04:59] <cybojanek> I just installed ubuntu hardy 8.04 and I have no sound. I use an audigy 2 zs platinum pro sound card. Any ideas on what to do? Thanks
[05:00] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, is that something under services?
[05:00] <tanner> sbackup seems nice
[05:00] <Killeroid> yeah
[05:00] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: yes
[05:01] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, power management acpid or apmd
[05:01] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: cpu frequency manager(powernowd)
[05:02] <jscinoz> Hey guys, i'm using the icedtea-gcjwebplugin, and it seems to ignore pulseaudio. If there is no sound playing already, the plugin will eat /dev/dsp and block anything else from outputting sound, or if /dev/dsp is already in use java won't output sound. Is there any way to get either gcjwebplugin or sun-java6-plugin to use pulseaudio?
[05:02] <Killeroid> when ihad the smae problem you had, it was due to powernowd switching cpu frequencies randomly
[05:04] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, I'm going to try to disable to see what happens
[05:04] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: hopefully, that will fix the overheating problem
[05:05] <tanner> could be your cpu governor
[05:05] <compaqr4000> tanner, more information?
[05:06] <tanner> there are cpufreq modules that determine what level your cpu is at based on the governor
[05:06] <compaqr4000> right now, with CPU freq. off, my cpu is just a rocking.....2.2 GHZ and high fan noise
[05:06] <tanner> lsmod | grep cpufreq
[05:07] <kelsa|martalli> I have a problem with the linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic refusing to boot.
[05:08] <kelsa|martalli> In fact, none of the 2.6.24 kernels have booted on my Dell ubuntu 530n machine
[05:08] <compaqr4000> Now, with CPU freq. on, my cpu is at 1 GHZ, but fan is still just a rocking
[05:08] <cybojanek> http://bash.org/?229921
[05:08] <cybojanek> True. So true
[05:09] <cybojanek> http://bash.org/?189375
[05:09] <kelsa|martalli> They hang during the boot sequence.  I can still use the 2.6.22 kernel from feisty, though.  I want to post this to launchpad...but is there a way to see the boot messages from previous boot-ups?  These would be helpful for a launchpad bug report, I would think
[05:10] <compaqr4000> Here we go, zero cpu useage but fan and heat are going crazy
[05:11] <cybojanek> ROFL
[05:11] <cybojanek> compaqr4000: Why?
[05:12] <kelsa|martalli> Is the dmesg from previous boots put somewhere in /var/log...?
[05:12] <cybojanek> compaqr4000: When was the last time you claned your computer?
[05:12] <compaqr4000> cybojanek, I have no idea.....
[05:12] <compaqr4000> ok, the fan just throttled back.
[05:12] <tacone> hello, my flashplayer seems broken. the movie stops after 1 second and I have no audio. totem seems broken as well (could 2 things be related ?)
[05:12] <compaqr4000> cybojanek, about 6 months ago.
[05:14] <compaqr4000> I really don't want to say this, but under XP, this machine barely made a noise with the fan unless I really pushed the machine with video.  Under Linux, it never gets that quiet.....ever.
[05:17] <Fritzel`> how would I enable ssh on hardy?
[05:17] <compaqr4000> I know that it is compaq at fault here for only writing XP solutions to their power/heat management issues
[05:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> kelsa|martalli: /var/log/dmesg.0 and dmesg.*.gz
[05:20] <WGGMk> I installed gfxboot grub and it doesnt work. Anyone having a similar issue or is this a known issue?
[05:20] <kelsa|martalli> Daisuke_Laptop: There they are, but they are not recording any of the failed boot attempts
[05:20] <kelsa|martalli> I want to post something cogent to launchpad, not just "Dell fail, sons cry"
[05:22] <cybojanek> compaqr4000: The fans dont get quiet, becasue ubuntu doesnt have fan control enabled by default
[05:22] <cybojanek> compaqr4000: It runs all of them at max
[05:22] <cybojanek> compaqr4000: Try and apt-cache search for fan control
[05:23] <compaqr4000> cybojanek, my throttles up and down.  Just not to the extreme that xp did
[05:25] <kelsa|martalli> Daisuke_Laptop: /var/log/messages looks more like the output I am seeing when the boot fail, but none of the messages there (even int he gzipped files) looks like the right error message
[05:27] <compaqr4000> cybojanek, and there are more issues with this laptop
[05:28] <MrKeuner> can I log vino connections(attempts)?
[05:28] <compaqr4000> cybojanek, like starting to type and all of a sudden your typing position is moved to a totally differnt place.  At random and it happens frequently.
[05:29] <compaqr4000> cybojanek, it may be that the Compaq R400 is one of those laptops that should just not be used with Linux
[05:30] <kadko> Hello i get a problem while ubuntu hardy load in normal mode, when i chose to start that SO i get a msg like Kernel Panic Unable to loading on root (0,0) what can i do?
[05:32] <tacone> guys, I have pulse audio, gstreamer e and flash not working. can someone help me ?
[05:33] <andre_> somebody can help me with Xorg ?
[05:34] <x1250> sure, but dont ask for help, just say what's the problem...
[05:37] <andre_> i just can see 800x600, my driver is  K8M890 [Chrome9] i always used the VESA generic driver and always could get 1024x768@60 but after last update i dont know what happend here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/m591c86b6
[05:37] <andre_> by now i just can get 800x600
[05:38] <andre_> ubuntu show me a warning about low performance driver graphics, i tested my monitor LCD Panel 1024x768 it runs ok but in gdm and gnome it does not work
[05:39] <andre_> my driver is  K8M890 [Chrome9]
[05:39] <x1250> try backuping your xorg.conf and then run # dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, IIRC, that sould attempt to configure all by itself, if it can...
[05:41] <andre_> yes i did it 2 times it did not work =/
[05:41] <DanaG> Is there a real driver for Chrome9?
[05:41] <x1250> andre_: did you set vertical and horizontal refresh for your LCD on xorg?
[05:43] <andre_> DanaG, theres one for K8M800 but not for K8M890
[05:43] <andre_> DanaG, it does not work i tried it =/
[05:43] <Killeroid> goodnight folks
[05:43] <DanaG> Dang, that sucks.
[05:43] <andre_> x1250, let me see here
[05:45] <andre_> some one can give me the name of utilitary (GUI) on ubuntu i can choose the video-driver? in 8.04 is different from 7.10 =/
[05:45] <andre_> x1250, http://pastebin.com/m591c86b6 here is my xorg
[05:49] <andre_> i would be so thankfu if somebody could gimme a way to solve this problem, in SuSe10.3 the generic driver (vesa) works fine and i can get 1024x768 only in ubuntu 8.04 iv this problem =/
[05:49] <x1250> andre_: that was generated by reconfiguring xorg?
[05:49] <andre_> x1250, no i made this one
[05:49] <ayllu> hi someone know how to configure a ipaq for copy files
[05:50] <andre_> x1250, i can generate a new one and show u
[05:50] <DanaG> Hmm: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
[05:50] <x1250> andre_: ok
[05:51] <andre_> x1250, whats the diference in generating a xorg.conf with dexconf and dpkg-reconfigure ?
[05:51] <DanaG> ﻿ I wonder... why are there both snd-oxygen AND snd-virtuoso?  Aren't they the same chip?
[05:51] <x1250> andre_: don't know about dexconf, haven't heard of it
[05:51] <bullgard4> In what respect is the Hardy version of the Tracker program improved compared with Gutsy?
[05:52] <andre_> x1250, it curious... when i run this command recommended by the comment in xorg.conf it generates a new xorg.conf
[05:53] <x1250> it should, yes
[05:53] <Black_Magic_> Does anyone know how to make firefox go to Google when i type something like HAHA into the URL Spot
[05:53] <Black_Magic_> instead of guide.opendns.com
[05:53] <Black_Magic_> and search there?
[05:53] <Black_Magic_> in ephy it does but i dont get why not in firefox
[05:53] <compaqr4000> I cannot get my restricted drivers to work, anyone else with that issue?  Or maybe a solution?
[05:54] <andre_> x1250, http://pastebin.com/m7d735035 pls if u could look it it is the new xorg.conf
[05:56] <x1250> andre_: if that doesn't work try adding the refresh rates for the monitor. See what they are in the monitor's manual
[05:57] <andre_> x1250, ok
[06:01] <tacone> hello, I've upgraded fromm gutsy. Pulse audio is not working, while alsa is. Can anyone help me to spot the problem ?
[06:02] <bullgard4> tacone: "is not working" is no precise description.
[06:02] <tacone> not really yes. I just tried the test buttons under preferences->sound and only alsa works. pulse don't. nor autodetect
[06:03] <tacone> also choosing pulseaudio in the multimedia chooser, makes gstreamer not work anymore (it plays at 1 frame per second)
[06:04] <tacone> bullgard4: not working means no sound :-)
[06:04] <crimsun> neither of those are precise.
[06:04] <crimsun> first, which ALSA audio driver is used?
[06:04] <crimsun> second, what's the debug spew in ~/.xsession-errors for PA?
[06:05] <tacone> ok
[06:05] <crimsun> third, is pulseaudio actually running when you open a Terminal in a GNOME session?
[06:05] <crimsun> fourth, does `paplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav' play audibly to completion?
[06:06] <tacone> crimsun: cat ~/.xsession-errors  | grep pulse -I reports nothing
[06:06] <tacone> 1) I don't know which alsa audio driver, how to spot ?
[06:07] <crimsun> tacone: no, I'd need all of ~/.xsession-errors pastebinned
[06:07] <tacone> 3)  I don't understand what you mean precisely. if I open a gnome terminal and grep ps aux I can see 2 processes
[06:08] <crimsun> tacone: also, `cat /proc/asound/modules'
[06:08] <rbanffy> Hi folks. What would be needed to use the Virtual Machine Manager on a box with no hardware support for that? BTW, the OpenVZ kernels crash badly on this notebook.
[06:08] <crimsun> tacone: ps -C pulseaudio>&/dev/null;echo $?
[06:08] <tacone> gosh, it's huge :)
[06:10] <tacone> crimsun: I am trying to pastebine it , but it's likely to be to big
[06:11] <tacone> its 196kb, mostly gnome-panel errors (something about a custom theme, I guess)
[06:11] <tacone> crimsun:  proc/asound/modules: 0 snd_hda_intel
[06:12] <tacone> crimsun:  ps -C pulseaudio>&/dev/null;echo $? reports 0
[06:12] <tacone> crimsun: sorry, it took a while to get this pasted: http://pastebin.com/m2a139bba
[06:16] <Ziroday> How do I install amarok 2?
[06:16] <Black_Magic> if i want java is gcj required the regular package?
[06:16] <andre_> x1250, i just want to say thank you but it did not work i will go back to SuSe... Ubuntu 8.04 does not like work with my video driver. Tks, Bye!
[06:17] <crimsun> tacone: I'm still waiting for feedback from the fourth question.
[06:17] <tacone> oh
[06:17] <Black_Magic> gcj-base
[06:17] <x1250> andre_: what video card?
[06:17] <Ziroday> anyone?
[06:17] <tacone> 4) no sound
[06:17] <tacone> sorry crimsun
[06:18] <andre_> x1250,  K8M890 [Chrome9]
[06:18] <crimsun> tacone: whereas aplay works fine?
[06:18] <crimsun> tacone: (e.g., `aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav')
[06:18] <tacone> crimsun: I hear no sound
[06:19] <crimsun> tacone: so both aplay /and/ paplay are inaudible?
[06:19] <tacone> sorry
[06:19] <tacone> aplay works
[06:19] <tacone> paplay don't
[06:19] <andre_> i put the vertical and horizontal data in the xorg.conf, put the resolution in the screend and monitor sessions, but it didnt work, i used the reconfigure option of dpkg it did not work too... i change the type of driver: to VIA, VGA, VESA e OpenChrome no one of them did work,..
[06:19] <crimsun> tacone: does paplay give a prompt back, or does it appear to hang?
[06:19] <tacone> no prompy
[06:19] <tacone> no output, no prompt back
[06:20] <crimsun> tacone: ok, interrupt it (ctrl+c)
[06:20] <tacone> also I should tell that evene gstreamer had problems when setting system to use pulse audio. it was terrificly slow
[06:20] <tacone> crimsun: ok
[06:21] <crimsun> tacone: pkill pulseaudio;pulseaudio -v
[06:21] <crimsun> tacone: set all audio gconf values to their defaults
[06:21] <tacone> how ? gconf editor ?
[06:22] <tacone> http://pastebin.com/m55318508
[06:22] <crimsun> tacone: or, revert any changes you made via System> Preferences> Sound  (and also `gstreamer-properties' if necessary)
[06:23] <tacone> ok
[06:24] <tacone> have you seen in the last pastebin these lines ?
[06:24] <tacone> E: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hw:0: Device or resource busy
[06:24] <tacone> E: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-alsa-sink" (argument: "device_id=0 sink_name=alsa_output.pci_8086_293e_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0"): initialization failed.
[06:25] <crimsun> yes, I saw it
[06:25] <tacone> ok I reverted everything I could find
[06:25] <xtknight> is there a way to tell the linux kernel to always look in /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/extra/kvm instead of /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/ , for instance?
[06:25] <crimsun> now, pastebin `sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*'
[06:26] <tacone> http://pastebin.com/m5ecd3408
[06:26] <crimsun> oh geez.
[06:27] <tacone> what happens ?
[06:27] <crimsun> so kill audacious, virtualbox, aplay, and pulseaudio.
[06:27] <tacone> lol, ok
[06:27] <DanaG> Shut down any VMs first.
[06:27] <crimsun> obviously pulseaudio won't work in its default config if any other apps open the device before it does.
[06:28] <tacone> what should I do now ?
[06:28] <tacone> repeat kill pulse and pulse -v ?
[06:28] <crimsun> did you kill all the apps I mentioned above?
[06:29] <tacone> yes, but even so I have chat app open.
[06:29] <tacone> http://pastebin.com/m1ff3cccf
[06:29] <crimsun> good, now try the paplay command.
[06:30] <tacone> wow
[06:30] <tacone> (means I hear sound)
[06:31] <tacone> so what is happening ? my system doesn't load pulseaudio at boot ?
[06:32] <crimsun> tacone: do you have "Enable software sound mixing" enabled (checked/ticked) in System> Preferences> Sound
[06:32] <tacone> yes I do
[06:32] <tacone> err
[06:33] <tacone> yes it's checked
[06:33] <crimsun> ok, and do you have the Flash plugin installed?
[06:33] <tacone> yes, and sound works now
[06:33] <tacone> (before it didn't)
[06:34] <crimsun> ok, so now make sure you have audacious-plugins-extra installed, and use its pulse plugin
[06:35] <tacone> ok I have it.
[06:35] <tacone> I had to set it to pulse.
[06:35] <crimsun> for xine, make sure you have libxine1-gnome installed, and choose esd compatibility
[06:35] <tacone> crimson, I still have pulse -v active..
[06:36] <crimsun> (same for vlc if you use that app)
[06:36] <crimsun> everything else that uses GStreamer should work by default provided you use 'auto'
[06:36] <tacone> will pulse start properly at reboot ?
[06:36] <crimsun> at next login, it should.  Go ahead and ctrl+c the running `pulseaudio -v', then log out and back in.
[06:37] <tacone> ok
[06:37] <tacone> I'll be here again in a second
[06:37] <pen> I can't make splashy work
[06:38] <pen> it crashed with SIGSEGV in splashy_stop_splash()
[06:38] <tacone> wow, works
[06:38] <tacone> crimsun: what was the problem ?
[06:38] <crimsun> tacone: all those other apps had the device open.  See the explanation I gave previously, too.
[06:39] <tacone> ok.
[06:39] <tacone> so, thank you very much
[06:40] <crimsun> np.  Is this straight from a dist-upgrade?  i.e., have you rebooted?
[06:41] <xtknight> what's the deal with pulse audio?  is it installed by default?  if so, how come?
[06:41] <tacone> not straight, I have rebooted a good number of times.
[06:41] <tacone> crimsun: but I had upgrade problems.
[06:41] <DanaG> And why is the default installation so incomplete?
[06:41] <tacone> apt-get -d gave up.
[06:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, for some reason, PulseAudio doesn't do a very good job at remembering where I put streams.
[06:41] <crimsun> xtknight: it is installed and enabled by default.
[06:41] <crimsun> DanaG: that's not just PA's fault; it's also libgnome.
[06:42] <pen> anyone using splashy?
[06:42] <tacone> I had to reboot and gnome was barely *working*. So I apt-getted ubuntu-destkop, and adjusted where I could.
[06:42] <DanaG> Try this: use two sound cards; put media-player app on second card.  Now shut down for the night and start again, without the second card, and start playing music.
[06:42] <xtknight> crimsun,  it just seems like extra overhead to me.  is there an advantage to it?
[06:42] <DanaG> Reinsert the second card -- the stream doesn't move.
[06:42] <xtknight> at least from a user's perspective
[06:42] <crimsun> xtknight: realtime migration of sound streams across audio devices (independent of local/remote), per-stream volume control
[06:43] <xtknight> crimsun, does hardy implement these features on the UI level?
[06:43] <crimsun> xtknight: yes, rather poorly
[06:44] <xtknight> oh you have to install that padsp or w/e it is dont you?
[06:44] <crimsun> xtknight: no, you simply install pavucontrol
[06:44] <xtknight> apparently ALSA works along with pulseaudio now?  audacious here is using alsa and it's working fine
[06:44] <crimsun> xtknight: the controls are way suboptimal, which is one reason they're not included by default
[06:45] <crimsun> xtknight: PA relinquishes the device after inactivity.
[06:45] <crimsun> you can also forcibly accomplish that with `pasuspender -- someapp'.
[06:46] <crimsun> DanaG: I think I've explained - PA fails to account for saved sink/source states having disappeared across sessions
[06:46] <crimsun> DanaG: pavucontrol also fails to properly update any callbacks to /set/ the sink/source states
[06:47] <xtknight> apparently my pulseaudio isnt enabled by default
[06:47] <xtknight> audacious wont output w/ pulseaudio plugin hmm
[06:47] <xtknight> init.d/pulseaudio is started
[06:48] <crimsun> xtknight: if you 1) don't have pulseaudio-esound-compat and pulseaudio, or 2) don't have "Enable software sound mixing" enabled in System> Preferences> Sound, it won't be enabled.
[06:48] <xtknight> crdlb,  so then it wouldnt be enabled by default for most people, right?
[06:48] <crimsun> xtknight: also, we don't use the initscript on -desktop.  It's disabled by default for reasons documented in README.Debian.
[06:48] <xtknight> sorry .. crimsun ^
[06:48] <xtknight> or am i justlucky to have HW mixing available
[06:49] <xtknight> well anyways i satisfy those three criteria, it doesnt work here
[06:49] <xtknight> the daemon doesn't appear to be started
[06:50] <crimsun> xtknight: if you have hardware pcm multiopen (which is different to HW mixing, BTW!), the server feature is kinda moot
[06:50] <xtknight> ya i'm pretty confused, everyone's having trouble with pulseaudio and stuff and i dont even see traces of mine being started yet
[06:51] <crimsun> xtknight: so give me the real output
[06:51] <xtknight> well "pavucontrol" gives me "E: shm.c: shm_open() failed: Permission denied"
[06:52] <macogw> xtknight: try with sudo?
[06:52] <xtknight> eliminates that problem, then it stops with (pavucontrol:29323): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_main_quit: assertion `main_loops != NULL' failed
[06:53] <crimsun> I don't think I've made it clear: unless you're running an LTSP server (ala Edubuntu), DO NOT use the system-wide mode.
[06:53] <crimsun> that means DON'T enable pulseaudio via the initscript.
[06:53] <xtknight> didnt think i should use sudo anyway but just tested
[06:53] <xtknight> i type pulseaudio this is what happens http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[06:54] <crimsun> the only supported method for hardy is per-user GNOME session
[06:54] <eklof> yay, finally my "no-internets-after-resume-from-sleep-issue" is fixed in the latest updates !! Nice.
[06:54] <xtknight> if i'm not suppoesd to type that i'm not sure what debug messages you want
[06:54] <crimsun> which means that it's invoked via ESD compatibility
[06:54] <crimsun> xtknight: I presume you actually meant another URL.
[06:55] <xtknight> crimsun, woops my bad http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62997/
[06:55] <xtknight> strange
[06:55] <xtknight> audacious works now
[06:55] <xtknight> because pulseaudio is actually running.
[06:56] <swuboo> What is pulseaudio, out of curiosity?
[06:56] <xtknight> despite those errors, but anyway pulseaudio wasnt started by default
[06:56] <crimsun> if you're testing in a VM, it can be all sorts of broken.
[06:56] <xtknight> crimsun, oh no that's some other crap
[06:56] <xtknight> host hardy amd64 here
[06:56] <xtknight> i mean not running linux in vm
[06:57] <xtknight> ok i guess my question is why the pulseaudio scripts didn't start my pulseaudio by default, and should i file a bug forit?
[06:57] <crimsun> xtknight: ok, so use the lsof command from above.
[06:58] <crimsun> xtknight: /etc/init.d/pulseaudio is a red herring for you.  You're supposed to use esd compatibility.
[06:58] <xtknight> crimsun, i had that enabled before i tried init.d
[06:58] <pen_> is usplash themes compatible with splashy?
[06:58] <xtknight> sorry which lsof command?
[06:59] <Cts|359> So, any chance that somebody here has been able to get Icecast and IDJC to play nice on hardy?
[07:00] <jscinoz> is it just me or is totem's DVB support horribly broken>
[07:00] <crimsun> xtknight: sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[07:00] <crimsun> xtknight: gconftool --get /desktop/gnome/sound/enable_esd
[07:01] <xtknight> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62998/
[07:01] <xtknight> (this is after running 'pulseaudio' manually)
[07:02] <crimsun> xtknight: dpkg -l pulseaudio-esound-compat|grep ^ii
[07:02] <xtknight> ii  pulseaudio-esound-compat                   0.9.10-1ubuntu1                                    PulseAudio ESD compatibility layer
[07:04] <crimsun> xtknight: please reproduce it with a new user who is in the audio group
[07:04] <xtknight> crimsun, ok he doens't need to be admin does he?
[07:04] <crimsun> nope
[07:06] <xtknight> crimsun, i don't see an "audio" group in Manage Groups.  is that a problem?
[07:06] <crimsun> no
[07:07] <echinos> anyone else having problems with gnome-settings-daemon failing?
[07:09] <xtknight> crimsun, seems to work on my new acct
[07:10] <xtknight> well god knows what i messed up w/ the old one, gvfs doesnt work either.  i had migrated my home directory (note: tried to)
[07:12] <Zoem> Hi, I'm trying to find an easy way to configure my mouse button actions, any suggestions?
[07:12] <xtknight> Zoem, like the side buttons?
[07:12] <Zoem> yes
[07:12] <Zoem> right now, it's acting like an extra mouse1 except in firefox
[07:13] <xtknight> unless something changed and i didn't notice, you'll probably have to edit xorg.conf and stuff
[07:13] <Zoem> hmmm
[07:13] <Zoem> well, it's recognized, so I think my xorg.conf is ok
[07:13] <Zoem> I'm looking to change the behaviours
[07:13] <xtknight> Zoem, what mouse model?
[07:13] <Zoem> logitech g5
[07:14] <xtknight> same here
[07:14] <Fritzel`> how can I enable ssh or telnet to my machine?
[07:14] <xtknight> i haven't done anything w/ mine yet
[07:14] <Zoem> Fritzel`, start an ssh (telnet is not recomended) server
[07:14] <xtknight> Zoem, anyway you can type xev, i think the ones that show output in xev do not require xorg modification.  at least two of my buttons aren't picked up by xev, though
[07:15] <Fritzel`> ok I guess what I'm asking is what is one called?
[07:15] <Zoem> xev doesn't get the side to side scroll
[07:15] <xtknight> Fritzel`, openssh-server
[07:15] <Fritzel`> thank you
[07:15] <xtknight> and then goto system->Admin->Services turn on openssh
[07:15] <Zoem> sorry, couldn't remember off the top of my head
[07:15] <xtknight> Zoem, ya it doesnt get the speed adjuster or the button below tha teither
[07:15] <Fritzel`> that's alrigth I appreciate the answer none the less
[07:15] <xtknight> the + and - buttons
[07:16] <xtknight> i dont know if you still have to use evdev
[07:16] <Zoem> xtknight, well, I am happy with the hardware resolutions, but I would like to use my back button for something usefull
[07:16] <Fritzel`> openssh-server is not in the repos (or does adept not show all the repos? I've had something show up on the console but not in adept before)
[07:16] <xtknight> Zoem, eh yeah i dont really know the "standard" answer for that one
[07:17] <xtknight> Zoem, if it's not picked up in xev i think you need to edit xorg, unless you dont care about those buttons
[07:17] <Fritzel`> and that seems to be the case this time too
[07:17] <xtknight> !info openssh-server
[07:17] <ubotu> openssh-server (source: openssh): secure shell server, an rshd replacement. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.7p1-8ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 245 kB, installed size 652 kB
[07:17] <xtknight> well it's in main
[07:17] <Fritzel`> yeah I see that
[07:18] <Zoem> package name openssh-server
[07:18] <xtknight> Fritzel`, have you tried the various logitech g5 guides for prev. versions of ubuntu, on HardY
[07:18] <Fritzel`> it installed via apt-get do you happen to know why something wouldn't show up in adept but would with apt-get? they pull from the same repo's right?
[07:18] <xtknight> ?
[07:18] <Zoem> in metapackage ssh
[07:18] <xtknight> sorry
[07:18] <xtknight> meant above msg for Zoem
[07:18] <ethana2> have they fixed evolution data server yet?
[07:18] <Fritzel`> no worries
[07:18] <xtknight> Fritzel`, adept may be like add/remove apps... a terse version of the full thing
[07:18] <ethana2> It keeps going all 100% cpu
[07:18] <ethana2> on all our machines
[07:18] <ethana2> No one in my family uses anything but webmail
[07:19] <Zoem> xtknight, all the ones I have seen go up to getting buttons recognized, not changing behaviour
[07:19] <xtknight> Zoem, yeah..hmm.
[07:19] <ethana2> on my dual seat, I try to keep one user always logged out
[07:19] <ethana2> just because of evolution
[07:19] <xtknight> Zoem, so for instance is the thing you wnat to do something listed in gnome-keybinding-properties?
[07:19] <xtknight> or a command to run?
[07:19] <xtknight> then you can probably map it easy
[07:19] <xtknight> if it's "go back in FF" i dont know how to do that.
[07:20] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/173833
[07:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173833 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "evdev mouse fails on hardy: cannot open input pEvdev" [Medium,Fix released]
[07:20] <Zoem> xtknight, I actually want it to have a context dependant behaviour, like a back button should
[07:20] <xtknight> =/
[07:20] <xtknight> Zoem, what does back do in anything except IE?
[07:20] <xtknight> on windows that is
[07:21] <Zoem> lol, good point
[07:21] <Zoem> mostly, I want to have it as a back button in opera
[07:21] <xtknight> i think it might do something useless in explorer that misinterprets it or something
[07:21] <xtknight> but yeah
[07:21] <xtknight> nice to work in both ff+opera.  sadly i dont know if that's possible
[07:22] <Zoem> lol
[07:22] <xtknight> seems like GNOME would have a standard "back" function
[07:22] <xtknight> i dont think side scroll is implemented whatsoever
[07:22] <Zoem> this seems like a perenial problem, too. Mice have always been a pain
[07:22] <xtknight> it's a pretty sorry state of affairs
[07:22] <xtknight> yea
[07:22] <xtknight> which is why i had no answer for you
[07:22] <DanaG> horizontal scroll is implemented..... but by default, Firefox interprets it as "back"
[07:22] <xtknight> as much as it sounded like i was probing you to annoy you, i just have no answer :p
[07:22] <DanaG> and "forward"
[07:23] <Zoem> lol, it's ok xtknight
[07:23] <Zoem> firefox works ok
[07:23] <xtknight> well i dont think side scroll itself is implemented,,, (0xaa->move scrollbar left, 0xbb->move scrollbar right)
[07:23] <xtknight> there's nothing
[07:23] <xtknight> no infratructure
[07:23] <Zoem> except that it's super unstable
[07:24] <Zoem> btw, you guys rock
[07:24] <xtknight> evdev crashed everytime i tried it
[07:24] <xtknight> brought my whole system down lol
[07:24] <DanaG> Lovely:  "Remove all of evdev_brain.c and all callers."
[07:24] <Zoem> the official opera channel hasn't answered my query from 25 min ago
[07:24] <DanaG> What the heck were they thinking... removing essentially ALL configurability!
[07:25] <xtknight> right people, right time
[07:25] <DanaG> AArgh,  WHY>
[07:25] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443292
[07:25] <ubotu> Debian bug 443292 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "Mouse: cannot open input pEvdev" [Important,Open]
[07:25] <ethana2> yarrrr
[07:25] <ethana2> my kodac c433 isn't showing up
[07:25] <ethana2> kodak*
[07:26] <xtknight> > Just like programs interpret buttons 4 and 5 as vertical scrolling,
[07:26] <xtknight> > they interpret 6 and 7 as the horizontal scrollers. GTK, mozilla,
[07:26] <xtknight> > galeon, and firefox all go by this principal
[07:26] <ethana2> Anybody having problems with digital cameras?
[07:26] <xtknight> Zoem, so i guess i get from that you need to map the horiz scroll has buttons 6 and 7?
[07:26] <xtknight> donno if that works
[07:27] <Zoem> xtknight, I think this my be an opera issue, because it's not putting any of my mouse configurations into effect
[07:27] <xtknight> Zoem, well horiz scroll doesnt work in FF either does it?
[07:27] <Zoem> ethana2, I've not seen any problems with cameras
[07:27] <xtknight> mine doesn't
[07:28] <Zoem> xtknight, I honestly don't know, because I almost never see any side scrolling
[07:28] <xtknight> Zoem, http://nablasquared.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/logitech-g5-refresh-xorg-and-firefox/
[07:28] <Zoem> ethana2, it might be that the new mount is not showing up, though. I have had problems like that on my phone
[07:28] <xtknight> Option “HWHEELRelativeAxisButtons” “7 6″
[07:28] <xtknight> weird
[07:28] <xtknight> must be evdev only
[07:28] <ethana2> Zoem: yes.
[07:29] <ethana2> Zoem: that's it
[07:29] <ethana2> lsusb shows it
[07:29] <xtknight> ethana2, does f-spot show the camera?
[07:29] <ethana2> I'll check
[07:29] <Zoem> in which case, open places->Computer and hit the reload button
[07:29] <xtknight> the new mount seems like it was slapped on
[07:30] <xtknight> whole windows open when you double clikc in a file chooser, etc
[07:30] <xtknight> weird
[07:30] <ethana2> 'could not claim the usb device'
[07:30] <ethana2> f-spot saw it alright
[07:30] <xtknight> hmm permissions?
[07:31] <ethana2> dual seat rig.
[07:31] <ethana2> permissions are my bane
[07:31] <xtknight> so own the file usinga group and put the two users in a group
[07:31] <ethana2> gksu nautilus doesn't see it
[07:31] <Zoem> ooh, this is new
[07:31] <ethana2> refresh does nothing
[07:31] <Zoem> my camera is not showing up now either
[07:31] <ethana2> two machines now
[07:31] <xtknight> wel let me check mine :p
[07:32] <xtknight> didnt even try
[07:32] <ethana2> at my house
[07:32] <ethana2> yours is three
[07:32] <ethana2> i can check my third
[07:32] <ethana2> but I already know what to expect
[07:32] <Zoem> fspot sees it and can't open it, either
[07:32] <ethana2> yes
[07:32] <ethana2> can't claim the usb device
[07:32] <xtknight> woohoo for regressions
[07:32] <ethana2> ohhhhhhhh
[07:33] <ethana2> this a gvfs move thing?
[07:33] <ethana2> ...or is this more recent than that?
[07:33] <Zoem> but now it sees my phone very easily
[07:34] <xtknight> i plugged in my camera, absolutely nothing pops up
[07:34] <xtknight> gutsy used to tell me , do you want to import your photos?
[07:34] <ethana2> xtknight: when did you ..
[07:34] <ethana2> has anyone here used a camera with hardy yet?
[07:34] <xtknight> just 5 secs ago
[07:34] <ethana2> ...successfully?
[07:34] <xtknight> ethana2, f-spot gets mine
[07:34] <Zoem> I used it about a week ago
[07:35] <ethana2> xtknight: what brand?
[07:35] <xtknight> kodak DX4530
[07:35] <Zoem> did not show the mount at first, after represh it worked fine
[07:35] <ethana2> Kodak EasyShare C433 here
[07:35] <xtknight> i dont know.  im on a really new user acct right now
[07:35] <xtknight> maybe default user acct has issues or something
[07:35] <Zoem> I have an intel pocket camera from 2001, if it's a driver issue, it's a pretty major one
[07:35] <xtknight> type "groups"
[07:35] <ethana2> k
[07:35] <Zoem> (like they lost all camera drivers at all)
[07:36] <xtknight> works with: andy3 adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev scanner fuse
[07:36] <pen_> is usplash themes compatible with splashy?
[07:36] <ethana2> ethan adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin admin pulse-access sambashare
[07:36] <pen_> is usplash themes compatible with splashy?
[07:36] <DanaG> Nope.
[07:36] <DanaG> They're quite extremely different.
[07:37] <Zoem> hmmmm
[07:38] <Zoem> camera thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4574624
[07:38] <xtknight> there was a good hal mount debug cmd, can't find it
[07:38] <ethana2> by the way
[07:38] <ethana2> brother printers have gpl drivers
[07:38] <ethana2> ...and they don't Just Work in my case
[07:39] <ethana2> DCP-7020 is actually just a scanner and a HL-1250
[07:39] <ethana2> it tries to use the DCP-7025 driver
[07:39] <ethana2> ....which is completely and totally different
[07:39] <xtknight> well there was some insane (no pun intended) scanner regression too
[07:39] <ethana2> ..the scanner has a gpl driver too
[07:39] <ethana2> doesn't Just Work either
[07:41] <xtknight> now the question is, why does f-spot work for me and not you?
[07:41] <Black_Magic> anyone know if hydra works with Hardy or not i compiled from source and i typed hydra in term it just returns the terminal xhydra works but if i press start i get errors so that doesnt work btw my reason is i have a couple servers that id like to test security on so if you can help please do
[07:41] <Zoem> oh, camera workaround
[07:42] <Zoem> ethana2, if you go to the launchpad bug on this issue, it lists two workarounds to get it to work again
[07:42] <Zoem> that bug is at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/206470
[07:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206470 in udev "udev - wrong permissions in udev rules for usb camera (dup-of: 189506)" [Undecided,New]
[07:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189506 in gphoto2 "Normal user can't access USB camera Error (-53: 'Could not claim the USB device')" [Undecided,Fix released]
[07:43] <xtknight> fix released supposedly?
[07:43] <ethana2> Zoem: k..
[07:43] <Zoem> lol, don't believe it until your camera works :P
[07:43] <xtknight> make sure you apt-get update and everything
[07:43] <ethana2> oh no
[07:43] <xtknight> dpkg -s libgphoto2-2|grep Version
[07:43] <ethana2> ..it says to replace something in this file
[07:43] <ethana2> that does not exist.
[07:44] <xtknight> ethana2, what's the above cmd say
[07:44] <ethana2> but I do see SUBSYSTEMS=="usb",			GROUP="plugdev"
[07:44] <ethana2> ok, running
[07:44] <xtknight> ubuntu6 should have the fix
[07:44] <ethana2> Version: 2.4.0-8ubuntu6
[07:44] <xtknight> oh
[07:45] <xtknight> System/Preferences/Removable Drives and Media/Digital Camera you can get autoplay to work at least
[07:45] <Black_Magic> Does Anyone Know?
[07:46] <ethana2> yarr, I told it to run nautilus when I connect a camera
[07:46] <ethana2> ...and it doesn't
[07:46] <Zoem> Black_Magic, you tried building it from source?
[07:46] <xtknight> ethana2, try sudo /etc/init.d/udev reload && sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
[07:46] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Thats what i did >.>
[07:46] <ethana2> k
[07:46] <xtknight> then unplug, replug camera
[07:46] <ethana2> k
[07:46] <Zoem> then I would assume it doesn't work as of now
[07:46] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Do you have a Package or source i got the one i used from the site i can tell you the errors
[07:47] <ethana2> loading drivers...
[07:47] <ethana2> k
[07:47] <ethana2> plugging back in...
[07:47] <Zoem> Black_Magic, what kind of errors?
[07:47] <ethana2> gahh, still not seeing it
[07:47] <Black_Magic> From xhydra hydra command doesnt work :/
[07:48] <xtknight> ethana2, type lsusb, determine Bus xxx Device yyy.  then type cd ls -l /deb/bus/usb/xxx/yyy and report it
[07:48] <xtknight> er
[07:48] <ethana2> k
[07:48] <xtknight> type ls -l /dev/bus/usb/xxx/yyy   i mean
[07:48] <Zoem> Black_Magic, what is error message?
[07:48] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Pastebining it
[07:49] <xtknight> hell, my camera was set as root and it's fine. crw-rw-r--+ 1 root root 189, 516 2008-04-13 02:48 /dev/bus/usb/005/005
[07:49] <Black_Magic> Zoem: http://pastebin.com/f7551d3f9
[07:50] <ethana2> Sorry, now I'm confused
[07:50] <ethana2> ..but I found the device
[07:50] <ethana2> /dev/bus/usb/003/007
[07:50] <xtknight> ls -l /dev/bus/usb/003/007
[07:50] <ethana2> is that an -l?
[07:50] <xtknight> yea
[07:50] <ethana2> ok, yeah
[07:50] <Zoem> Black_Magic, that's a build error?
[07:50] <ethana2> crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 262 2008-04-12 22:47 007
[07:51] <ethana2> I was already in the directory
[07:51] <xtknight> strange yours is - mine is +
[07:51] <Black_Magic> Zoem: No thats from running xhydra and then going to press the start button
[07:51] <xtknight> dont even know what that means
[07:51] <xtknight> rather mine has an extra +
[07:51] <Black_Magic> it gives me that ALWAYS no matter how many times i recompile
[07:52] <Zoem> Black_Magic, I am not familiar with the source of hydra, but it looks like you have faulty source
[07:52] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Also the hydra file is an empty text file is that what its sopposed to be?
[07:52] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Would you happen to have one?
[07:52] <Zoem> Black_Magic, lol, I don't use script kiddie stuff, sorry
[07:52] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Not script kiddie
[07:53] <Black_Magic> its really a terminal thing
[07:53] <Black_Magic> but they added a GUI i really only use the terminal one but it doesnt work :/
[07:53]  * saltedlight hi. anyone know why ubuntu 8.04 identify ATA hard drives as SATA ?!? on every system ?!? is this a known bug or what?
[07:53] <Black_Magic> hydra just returns the thing...
[07:53] <xtknight> saltedlight, it's expected behavior since Feisty or gutsy i think
[07:53] <Zoem> lol, I'm not saying you are, but this app certainly is. You can't really test security by brute force password cracking
[07:53] <xtknight> saltedlight,  it's called libata
[07:53] <crimsun> and it's intentional.
[07:54] <Flannel> saltedlight: It's been that way since edgy (or feisty)
[07:54] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Yea You can if you can get into your system why cant someone else?
[07:54] <HorizonXP> man, why are the repos all messed up? I haven't been able to install updates for like 2 days now
[07:54] <Zoem> anyway, this looks like a faulty build or incomplete configure/make/install process. You should get new source and try again Black_Magic
[07:55] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Ive gotten about 36 new sources....none of witch worked but all were from THC-Hydra site
[07:55] <Zoem> perhaps from the thc-hydra project page, which offers a precompiled .deb
[07:55] <xtknight> i wonder how i get back the old gutsy behavior that asked me if i wanted to import photos automatically
[07:56] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Just source
[07:56]  * ethana2 runs updates
[07:56] <Zoem> xtknight, it seems like we are all trying to get some old gutsy behaviour back
[07:56] <xtknight> Zoem, lol i should just be glad my camera even works
[07:58] <ethana2> you should.
[07:58] <Zoem> Black_Magic, it looks like you are missing dictionaries
[07:58] <ethana2> My dual seat is always giving me wierd permission problems
[07:58]  * saltedlight after dist-upgrade ubuntu is not booting because I/O on SDA witch should be HDA and if i boot on the old kernel (found on grub menu) is ok... anyone know how to fix that? 
[07:59] <Black_Magic> Zoem: I already made my Dictionaries....
[07:59] <Zoem> hmmm
[07:59] <Zoem> well, dunno
[08:00] <bennyf11> hello having issues with wifi
[08:00] <bennyf11> can anyone assist
[08:00] <pen> what is the best boot splash?
[08:00] <Zoem> bennyf11, what is problem?
[08:00] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Even if i do set a diffrent stuff i get that i have the libssh 11 thing someone else had that probem the libssh solved theres but not mines
[08:00] <pen> usplash or splashy?
[08:00] <Black_Magic> because i installed it already
[08:00] <bennyf11> zoem ive just upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04, having issues with wifi
[08:01] <Zoem> Black_Magic, sorry, I am not really familiar with hydra, so, I can't really tell
[08:01] <Black_Magic> Ok Then
[08:02] <Black_Magic> thx for help anyways BTW if you didnt know about the program you didnt have to try and help ;)
[08:02] <Zoem> bennyf11, what kind of issues?
[08:02] <Zoem> Black_Magic, if it was just a build issue I prolly could have helped
[08:03] <Black_Magic> Second ill recompile and then give you output ;)
[08:03] <Black_Magic> just incase :P
[08:04] <Zoem> bennyf11, issues like you can't see wireless networks, and you are not aquiring ip addresses from the ones you put in manually?
[08:05] <bennyf11> i cannot find my wireless router
[08:05] <bennyf11> its not anywhere
[08:05] <xtknight> what bugs are on the docket for fixing by time of release?
[08:05] <Zoem> bennyf11, do you know the essid?
[08:05] <xtknight> bennyf11, what wireless adapter
[08:05] <bennyf11> i know essid
[08:05] <fraroco> I have a External HD and I conect it to my laptop it Mounted on X name but when I turn off and turn on the computer it mounted on X_ and each time I turn on the computer it mounted with _ more at name. what I have to do?
[08:05] <Black_Magic> Zoem: http://pastebin.com/f131c0035
[08:05] <xtknight> iwscan list
[08:06] <bennyf11> wireless adapter is broadcom 4311
[08:06] <xtknight> ah that uses b43 and ssb
[08:06] <xtknight> so modules load i assume tho..  lsmod |grep b43
[08:07] <Zoem> Black_Magic, other than it seems really short, I don't see any problems
[08:07] <bennyf11> rephrase, my wireless adaptor is the issue.
[08:07] <Black_Magic> Yea.....it has an error (ignored) thing in it tho
[08:08] <xtknight> Black_Magic, install libssh-2-dev
[08:08] <xtknight> unless you d/l libssh11 already
[08:08] <xtknight> might want only .11
[08:08] <Black_Magic> xtknight: i thought hydra only worked with .11
[08:08] <xtknight> no idea never even heard of it
[08:08] <Black_Magic> libssh-2-dev isnt backwards compatible with .11
[08:08] <Ayabara> after using Hardware Drivers to add the nVidia drivers and rebooting, I'm stuck in low graphics mode. I have a Dell XPS M1530 with a GeForce 8600M GT card. Anyone else with this card here?
[08:08] <Zoem> xtknight, remote dictionary passed password cracker
[08:09] <Black_Magic> acctually its mostly for local
[08:09] <xtknight> bennyf11, type sudo lshw -class network  and pastebin please
[08:11] <owen1> i mouted a folder on my server using dfs but it's gone after restart. any ideas?
[08:11] <owen1> mounted
[08:11] <Black_Magic> Ooh the make was short because i forgot to make clean
[08:11] <bennyf11>   *-network
[08:11] <bennyf11>        description: Network controller
[08:11] <bennyf11>        product: BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI
[08:11] <bennyf11>        vendor: Broadcom Corporation
[08:11] <bennyf11>        physical id: 0
[08:11] <bennyf11>        bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
[08:11] <Ayabara> my xorg.conf when I'm stuck in low graphics mode: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63002/. would be nice if someone could take a look :-)
[08:11] <bennyf11>        version: 02
[08:12] <bennyf11>        width: 64 bits
[08:12] <bennyf11>        clock: 33MHz
[08:12] <bennyf11>        capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
[08:12] <bennyf11>        configuration: driver=b43-pci-bridge latency=0 module=ssb
[08:12] <bennyf11>   *-network
[08:12] <lachlan_> hello i just updated to hardy beta any my PC freezes when i use firefox has anybody else had this problem?
[08:12] <bennyf11>        description: Ethernet interface
[08:12] <bennyf11>        product: RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
[08:12] <bennyf11>        vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
[08:12] <xtknight> !pastebin| bennyf11 please use this next time
[08:12] <bennyf11>        physical id: 1
[08:12] <ubotu> bennyf11 please use this next time: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[08:12] <bennyf11>        bus info: pci@0000:02:01.0
[08:12] <bennyf11>        logical name: eth1
[08:12] <bennyf11>        version: 10
[08:12] <bennyf11>        serial: 00:1b:38:3c:ea:3a
[08:12] <bennyf11>        size: 100MB/s
[08:12] <bennyf11>        capacity: 100MB/s
[08:12] <bennyf11>        width: 32 bits
[08:12] <bennyf11>        clock: 33MHz
[08:12] <bennyf11>        capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
[08:12] <bennyf11>        configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=8139too driverversion=0.9.28 duplex=full ip=192.168.1.103 latency=64 link=yes maxlatency=64 mingnt=32 module=8139too multicast=yes port=MII speed=100MB/s
[08:12] <bennyf11> sorry...... Im new to the IRC
[08:13] <bennyf11> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63003/
[08:13] <xtknight> anyway i think your b43 is detected
[08:13] <xtknight> bennyf11, so pastebin "iwlist scan" please
[08:13] <bennyf11> however i cannot connect to my wifi network
[08:13] <Zoem> Ayabara, what kind of video card do you have?
[08:14] <Ayabara> Zoem: nVidia GeForce 8600M GT
[08:14] <bennyf11> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63004/
[08:15] <xtknight> bennyf11, pastebin "sudo iwconfig eth1 up"
[08:15] <xtknight> may be wrong cmd i can't really remember
[08:15] <bennyf11> xtknight, error with command
[08:15] <xtknight> try ifconfig
[08:16] <Zoem> Ayabara, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63005/ look at the moniter and screen sections
[08:16] <x1250> bennyf11: does wifi-radar works? try it and see if it detects something
[08:16] <x1250> aptitude search wifi-radar
[08:16] <Zoem> Ayabara, are you using official nvidia driver?
[08:16] <xtknight> Ayabara, should probably run   gksu nvidia-settings and use it there
[08:16] <Zoem> I was just going to suggest that
[08:17] <xtknight> not all monitors use same modelines
[08:17] <Zoem> screen section was the important part
[08:17] <xtknight> my brand new one doesnt even use general timing, but nvidia should detect it from your monitor.
[08:17] <Ayabara> Zoem: yes. I have tried both enabling it with "Hardware Drivers", and downloading from nVidia's site and installing
[08:17] <bennyf11> x1250: wifi not work
[08:17] <xtknight> bennyf11, what does "sudo ifconfig eth1 up" do
[08:18] <bennyf11> no output
[08:18] <xtknight> bennyf11, and subsequently, "sudo dhclient eth1" ?
[08:18] <Ayabara> Zoem, xtknight: so.. install it again, and run 'gksu nvidia-settings' before I reboot?
[08:18] <xtknight> Ayabara, no reboot just run gksu nvidia-settings
[08:18] <Zoem> Ayabara, just run that now
[08:18] <xtknight> see if you can change res, etc
[08:18] <bennyf11> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63006/
[08:18] <xtknight> if so, press save to x config after applying it
[08:18] <xtknight> bennyf11, so your net is up?
[08:19] <Ayabara> xtknight, Zoem: even if I'm not using the nVidia driver atm? I reverted to the default xorg.conf
[08:19] <Zoem> oh
[08:19] <bennyf11> i am currently using net through ethernet cable
[08:19] <xtknight> Ayabara, please install nvidia,restart X,run gksu nvidia-settings
[08:19] <bennyf11> i need wireless funcitionality
[08:19] <xtknight> bennyf11, oh i see so eth1 is your wired?
[08:19] <xtknight> erghh
[08:19] <DanaG> !find r818x
[08:19] <ubotu> No packages matching 'r818x' could be found
[08:19] <bennyf11> must be
[08:19] <Ayabara> xtknight: on it
[08:19] <DanaG> !find r818x*.ko
[08:19] <ubotu> No packages matching 'r818x*.ko' could be found
[08:19] <Black_Magic> You guys make me sound evil thats exactly why i delayed asking for help here >.....
[08:19] <DanaG> !find rtl8180
[08:19] <ubotu> No packages matching 'rtl8180' could be found
[08:20] <xtknight> bennyf11, ya well i dont see an interface for your other one
[08:20] <Zoem> oh, I didn't want to make him sound evil. just pathetic
[08:20] <xtknight> haha
[08:20] <Zoem> that's what, 2 line script to do local password crack testing?
[08:20] <bennyf11> how do i install itnerface for other one
[08:20] <xtknight> bennyf11, it might be broken
[08:21] <xtknight> bennyf11, pastebin "dmesg" please
[08:21] <xtknight> bennyf11, and i also need the output of lsmod|grep ssb   and    lsmod |grep b43
[08:22] <TomW> ok, quick question: i am not getting any proper system sounds, only hardware beeps... is this a known problem?
[08:22] <bennyf11> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63007/
[08:22] <xtknight>  TomW  not a known problem for the rest of us , at least
[08:22] <TomW> hmm
[08:22] <xtknight> what kind of system sounds do you mean?
[08:22] <TomW> well i just got a new email
[08:23] <TomW> and it made a system beep.. every message.. all errors
[08:23] <xtknight> bennyf11, yes look at Sonics Silicon Backplane output.  looks like a crash to me
[08:23] <xtknight> oh
[08:23] <xtknight> TomW, type asoundconf lits
[08:23] <xtknight> asoundconf list
[08:23] <xtknight> do you have any sound cards enabled?
[08:24] <TomW> yeah, Intel
[08:24] <bennyf11> so.... huh???? its a hardware issue
[08:24] <xtknight> bennyf11, it's a problem with the current kernel not supporting your hardware, but not a problem with your hardware probably
[08:24] <TomW> music works though...
[08:25] <DanaG> asoundconf set-pulseaudio
[08:25] <xtknight> TomW, system->preferences->sound, do you have sound mixing enabled?
[08:25] <xtknight> software sound mixing esd
[08:25] <bennyf11> right
[08:25] <xtknight> bennyf11, try to find bugs on launchpad about it?
[08:25] <Ayabara> hmm. nvidia-settings was not automatically installed. is that normal?
[08:25] <Zoem> yes
[08:25] <Zoem> sadly
[08:25] <xtknight> !launchpad | bennyf11
[08:25] <ubotu> bennyf11: Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[08:25] <xtknight> Ayabara,  sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[08:26] <bicyclist> There is a new beta nvidia driver out ! But still no brightness control for my sony vaio FZ31J
[08:26] <bennyf11> kk
[08:26] <Ayabara> xtknight: already there :-)
[08:26] <DanaG> new nvidia beta?  Link me to their page about it.
[08:26] <Zoem> bicyclist, I know, I have a 9600 gt, only way I can get drivers :)
[08:26] <TomW> @xtknight they are all set to autodetect.. what do you mean software sound mixing esd?
[08:27] <bicyclist> But they still have no fix for the brightness problem
[08:27] <xtknight> TomW, second tab
[08:27] <TomW> yes
[08:27] <TomW> its on
[08:27] <bennyf11> xtknight, why would it work on 7.10??
[08:27] <xtknight> bennyf11, i would report the bug on launchpad
[08:27] <Zoem> DanaG, http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
[08:27] <xtknight> bennyf11, because hardy deprecated the bcm43xx /fwcutter driver
[08:27] <xtknight> # replaced by b43 and ssb.
[08:27] <xtknight> blacklist bcm43xx
[08:28] <xtknight> and the new ones aren't up to par i guess?
[08:28] <TomW> @xtknight worked it i think - unchecked system beep lol
[08:28] <xtknight> TomW, ah hha hmm
[08:28] <bicyclist> Thanx Zoem, you where faster than me ;)
[08:28] <Ayabara> Zoem, xtknight: when I start nvidia settings it says "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver ... run nvidia-xconfig as root and restart X server". I did that and still get the warning.
[08:28] <DanaG> Hmm, no changes relevant to 7600 series.
[08:28] <TomW> @xtknight cheers anyway :)
[08:28] <Zoem> hmmmm
[08:28] <xtknight> Ayabara, lsmod|grep nvidia
[08:29] <xtknight> and dmesg|grep nvidia
[08:29] <Ayabara> xtknight: nvidia               3934028  0
[08:29] <Ayabara> agpgart                34760  2 nvidia,intel_agp
[08:29] <xtknight> ok please dont paste too much if dmesg spits out a lot :)
[08:29] <xtknight> Ayabara, and    grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:29] <Ayabara> xtknight: I've been burned before :-)
[08:29] <Zoem> bicyclist, I told you, I live by those. have to re
[08:29] <Ayabara> dmesg says : nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[08:29] <xtknight> ya that's ok
[08:30] <Zoem> bicyclist, re-install every kernel update, too ;)
[08:31] <Ayabara> xorg.conf gives two lines : Driver "nvidia" with  Modes "nvidia-auto-select"
[08:31] <DanaG> Look in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common to disable nvidia
[08:31] <Ayabara> Zoem, xtknight, but.. wouldn't the active one be "failsafe" since I'm in low-graphics mode?
[08:31] <xtknight> Ayabara, eh are you?
[08:32] <Zoem> yes
[08:32] <xtknight> not sure when .failsafe is invoked exactly
[08:32] <Zoem> I would just go for the official nvidia drivers. but I like things easy rather than kosher :/
[08:32] <xtknight> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep xorg.conf
[08:32] <xtknight> find out
[08:32] <Ayabara> xtknight: yes, after installing the nvidia driver I can get nowhere but low graphics mode
[08:32] <Ayabara> Zoem: the official drivers gave the same result :-/
[08:33] <Ayabara> DanaG: was your latest advice for me?
[08:33] <Zoem> Ayabara, you ran the binary from the nvidia web page?
[08:33] <xtknight> Ayabara,  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep xorg.conf
[08:33] <TomW> also, is transmission just a torrent client?
[08:33] <xtknight> TomW, yup
[08:33] <TomW> klkl
[08:33] <Ayabara> xtknight: using failsafe
[08:33] <xtknight> Ayabara, o thats a problem
[08:34] <Ayabara> xtknight: a tiny one :-)
[08:34] <xtknight> well maybe you need the latest beta nvidia ;)
[08:34] <xtknight> for 8600Mobile?
[08:34] <DanaG> Ayabara: yes -- that's what you need to do to prevent the boot scripts from trampling on the manually-installed nvidia.
[08:35] <xtknight> Ayabara,  oh well it says 8600 is supported by 169.12.  i'd just use the hardware manager in ubuntu to install drivers, then.
[08:35] <Ayabara> xtknight: that's the one I used with the same result. Enabling with "Restricted Drivers" in Gutsy worked, and it worked in Hardy after my dist-upgrade. Yesterday I had to reinstall Hardy, and here I am.
[08:36] <xtknight> Ayabara, didnt restricted drivers do it for hardy?
[08:36] <xtknight> i mean the hardware driver manager in administration
[08:37] <xtknight> if not then i don't know what's up
[08:37] <Ayabara> xtknight: no, but like I said exactly the same happens when I install the latest beta from nvidia
[08:37] <Zoem> Ayabara, after you install the beta from nvidia, do you have it auto-configure your xorg.conf?
[08:37] <bennyf11> xtknight, ist there any way to run the ﻿bcm43xx /fwcutter
[08:37] <xtknight> Ayabara, hopefully you don't have that borked nvidia update
[08:38] <xtknight> bennyf11, on hardy, i dont believe so.  might find some guide though
[08:38] <xtknight> Ayabara, one sec
[08:38] <xtknight> it was a kernel problem rather
[08:38] <xtknight> bug 215778
[08:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215778 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "2.6.24-16.30 kernel update - nvidia module fails to load" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215778
[08:38] <Ayabara> Zoem: yes, but it doesn't configure much.
[08:38] <Zoem> hmmm
[08:39] <DanaG> I still haven't installed the nvidia-glx-new update that's "in the pipe"
[08:39] <DanaG> No changelog.  Therefore, I won't install it.
[08:39] <Zoem> I won't install any driver that doesn't explicitly support my card
[08:40] <xtknight> Zoem, what do you mean?
[08:40] <DanaG> It's not like the Windows drivers, where you need laptopvideo2go.com.
[08:40] <Zoem> xtknight, nvidia 9600 gt isn't in official drivers yet
[08:41] <xtknight> Zoem, oh it's in betas only yaeh
[08:41] <xtknight> and probably wont be in ubuntu ever
[08:41] <xtknight> hardy ever, rather
[08:41] <Zoem> xtknight, the beta's for linux are 100x better than the official for windows, so I'm happy :)
[08:41] <xtknight> Zoem, haha ya
[08:41] <xtknight> Zoem, the control panel on windows sucks
[08:42] <Zoem> xtknight, lol, the way the card crashes after ~1 hour of gameplay sucks
[08:42] <Zoem> screen blacks, fans max speed, nvidia refuses to acknowledge there is a problem
[08:42] <Ayabara> xtknight: so the solution is to use an older kernel or try the ones from the nvidia site again?
[08:42] <xtknight> well i gotta take off
[08:42] <Ayabara> xtknight: thanks for helping
[08:42] <xtknight> Ayabara, basically reinstall your current kernel
[08:42] <xtknight> Ayabara, or download hardy release when it comes out, and it wont have that problem for SURE
[08:43] <Ayabara> heh
[08:43] <xtknight> i mean not the linux-ubuntu-modules issue that an update caused the other day
[08:43] <xtknight> cant guarnatee your nvidia will work
[08:44] <Ayabara> ok. my next Q now is of course: how do I reinstall my current kernel?
[08:44] <xtknight> Ayabara, sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-`uname -r`
[08:45] <xtknight> and later, "sudo update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r`" and then "sudo update-grub"
[08:45] <xtknight> hopefully thatll do it.
[08:45] <Ayabara> xtknight: thanks. I'll try it. if it doesn't work, I'll go back to the default xorg.conf and wait a few days
[08:45] <DanaG> Hmm, seems like the only new changes in the -16 kernel are mostly virtio stuff.
[08:45] <xtknight> then reboot, then type "sudo depmod -a" for safety, and then attempt hardware manager
[08:46] <xtknight> or "vitrio" as he conveniently misspells it in the changelog
[08:46] <xtknight> ;)
[08:46] <xtknight> convenient for kvm though
[08:47] <lachlan_> hello is anybody else having firefox problems?
[08:48] <xtknight> what kind
[08:48] <lachlan_> when i loogin to nything my pc freezes
[08:48] <Lynoure> lachlan_: happily problemsless here
[08:48] <lachlan_> same problem occurs in Konqurer
[08:48] <xtknight> lachlan_, do you have amd64?
[08:49] <lachlan_> this is the 32bit version on a Q6600 intel
[08:49] <xtknight> lachlan_, so just opening firefox makes it freeze?
[08:50] <DanaG>   * UBUNTU: SAUCE: mmc: Increase power_up deleay to fix TI readers
[08:50] <DanaG> What is this Sauce it speaks of?  It makes me hungry.
[08:50] <lachlan_> no logging in to anything does so myspace or launchpad
[08:50] <xtknight> lachlan_, do you use kde?
[08:50] <lachlan_> nah gnome
[08:50] <xtknight> i was going to say, try clearing your cache, or maybe the password wallet in GNOME is messed up
[08:50] <lachlan_> i use some KDE apps
[08:51] <DanaG> can't say I know what virtio is.
[08:51] <lachlan_> well im entering the passwords and user names manually
[08:51] <xtknight> lachlan_, wow so same thing happins in konqeuror?
[08:52] <lachlan_> yeah
[08:52] <xtknight> i mean thats' pretty much a wallet problem of some kind.  konqueror doesnt use firefox at all
[08:52] <xtknight> or maybe some https issue, who knows
[08:52] <lachlan_> i will just check if its only logging in
[08:52] <xtknight> lachlan_, sorry man i gotta go
[08:53] <Lynoure> xtknight: konqueror uses kwallet... Or does it use gnome wallet on Gnome?
[08:53] <xtknight> no clue
[08:53] <xtknight> grasping for straws
[08:54] <Ayabara> xtknight, Zoem: and there it is :-D
[08:54] <Ayabara> thanks for helping
[08:54] <Lynoure> Unfortunately my first hunch would be some password-sending spyware, but my guesses tend to start at the nasty end
[08:54] <Zoem> lol, it was xtknight
[08:55] <Ayabara> Zoem: I agree he laid the final touch :-)
[08:55] <saurabh> i updated hardy using the package manager at night and now compiz won't start, please help
[08:56] <Zoem> saurabh, can you pastebin your xorg.conf?
[08:56]  * DanaG goes to bed now.
[08:56] <Zoem> nighn DanaG :)
[08:57] <saurabh> Zoem:  just a minute
[08:57] <TychoQuad> hi guys, quick question, when 8.04 final comes out, will I be upgraded to the final release, or will i be moved to the beta of the next release?
[08:57] <Lynoure> lachlan_: does the freeze just continue, or does is go away on it's own?
[08:59] <saurabh> Zoem: here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/m5353f440
[08:59] <Ayabara> #join #ubuntu-effects
[08:59] <Ayabara> ooops
[09:00] <lachlan_> hey. i just found out that it happens when ever i go to a website
[09:00] <TomW> damn, now another problem.. vlc won't play anything
[09:00] <TomW> but it used to
[09:00] <Zoem> saurabh, do to system->administration->hardware drivers and tell me if you see anything there
[09:01] <Zoem> TomW, vlc wont' play anything?!?
[09:01] <TomW> yeah
[09:01] <danage> ﻿anybody know the bug where the mount directories under /media/ are not removed and you get (Name)_ and (Name)__ and (Name)___ and so forth?
[09:01] <Zoem> TomW, that's like, the sun not shining or something
[09:01] <TychoQuad> danage: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/101845
[09:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 101845 in hal "Automounted Volumes mount points change" [High,In progress]
[09:01] <saurabh> Zoem: if I try to start the effects, i lose the window decorations
[09:01] <TomW> yes i know...
[09:01] <TomW> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63010/
[09:02] <danage> TychoQuad: THANK YOU
[09:02] <TychoQuad> yw
[09:02] <DrUnKnMuNkY> does anyone here use synergy for keyboard/mouse sharing between 2 computers? i'm having lots of trouble with lag with mine currently
[09:02] <Zoem> saurabh, ah, you get the effects up ok then?
[09:02] <danage> ok, and another one: my bluetooth mouse disconnect after X minutes
[09:02] <saurabh> Zoem: no effects at all,
[09:02] <owen1> how to access trash form command line?
[09:02] <TychoQuad> DrUnKnMuNkY, yes I do, and so does 2 friends, one is having problems like you just described, so sorry, don't know :P
[09:03] <TomW> that was the output log for vlc: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63010/
[09:03] <Zoem> saurabh, hmmm, well, we can adress the window decorations easy
[09:03] <Zoem> saurabh, sudo apt-get install emerald
[09:03] <Zoem> emerald --replace
[09:03] <saurabh> Zoem: did that and tried to start effects again but to no avail
[09:03] <Zoem> hmmm ok
[09:03] <Zoem> what kind of vid card do you have?
[09:04] <TychoQuad> anyone know if my hardy will go final when it's released, or will it become the beta of the next release?
[09:04] <saurabh> Zoem:  Intel GMA 950
[09:04] <Lynoure> TychoQuad: hardy will stay hardy
[09:04] <Fritzel`> does anyone know why my cursor won't stay visible when moving over random windows?
[09:04] <DrUnKnMuNkY> TychoQuad, what setup are you using currently for synergy?
[09:04] <david>  what benefit would I get using emerald over standard?
[09:04] <Lynoure> TychoQuad: it's not like the Debian unstable in that respect. :)
[09:04] <Zoem> saurabh, interesting... I'll have to google real quick :)
[09:04] <saurabh> Zoem: direct rendering is enabled and glxgears gives me around 950
[09:04] <TychoQuad> thanks Lynoure
[09:05] <Zoem> saurabh, that makes it easier...
[09:05] <TychoQuad> DrUnKnMuNkY, just the one off apt, along with the instructions on their site to make it work on startup
[09:05] <DrUnKnMuNkY> TychoQuad, between a bunch of linux machines or are there any windows machines in tehre? i'm just trying to pin down what could be causing my problem
[09:06] <TychoQuad> in all situations i've seen it used, windows is host, linux is client
[09:06] <DrUnKnMuNkY> me too so I guess that's not the problem. Thanks
[09:07] <TychoQuad> sorry i couldn't help more
[09:07] <TomW> @Zoem, solved it - i had spaces in the path
[09:07] <Zoem> TomW, lol, that's good :)
[09:07] <TychoQuad> anyone know where I'd go for kismet support?
[09:09] <Zoem> saurabh, please paste lsmod | grep intel
[09:10] <Lynoure> TychoQuad: #kismet, if it exists, if not, their project page might list another irc channel/forum
[09:10] <Fritzel`> does anyone else have a missing pointer on some windows?
[09:11] <vox> i seem to have an issue with anything that requires su within gnome.  anytime i click on, say, Synaptic, it says "starting Administrative Application" on the taskbar, then after a few seconds it goes away and nothing happens.
[09:11] <saurabh> lsmod |grep intel output is here http://pastebin.com/m16e54d4f
[09:11] <DanaG> Heh, I always end up force-quitting firefox, since it's too slow at exiting.
[09:12] <TychoQuad> vox, i have that whenever i try to launch kismet, however it affects ALL applications after i attempt to launch it, and i have to hard reset
[09:12] <Davo_Dinkum> what's hardy's current support for power management? my laptop didnt shut down when the battery went flat, it just lost power
[09:12] <vox> TychoQuad: same
[09:12] <saurabh> Zoem: lsmod |grep intel output is here http://pastebin.com/m16e54d4f
[09:13] <david> 8.04 robbed me of the ability to use desktop effects:/
[09:13] <Zoem> saurabh, it looks like your drivers are installed, so I'm looking for what else it could be
[09:13] <TychoQuad> good to know it's a hardy bug then. lets try and find it on launchpad
[09:14] <Lynoure> david: some cards are blacklisted for compiz, I think (I don't use compiz myself, kwin4 effects work nicely for me)
[09:15] <Davo_Dinkum> how can i make it shut down safely when my laptop battery goes flat?
[09:16] <angharad> ﻿I've just installed the hardy beta, but I'm running into problems with the BBC iplayer (which relies on flash). Other flash sites work ok (e.g. youtube), but iplayer site produces garbled sound. Anyone run into a similar issue? Is it just a problem with the latest flash?
[09:16] <angharad> in fact youtube will hang firefox after I go and try the iplayer site, but if i restart firefox youtube works ok
[09:18] <TychoQuad> vox, do you have a launchpad account?
[09:18] <Zoem> saurabh, try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[09:19] <saurabh> Zoem: let me do that
[09:19] <david> Lynoure: then my card got blacklisted from 7.10 -> 8.04
[09:20] <saurabh> Zoem: xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version.
[09:20] <Davo_Dinkum> no one knows?
[09:20] <david> try power management
[09:21] <Zoem> saurabh, ok, we can try to reconfigure the xserver with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:21] <Zoem> saurabh, you may need to stop the gdm to do this, and you will need to restart x afterwords
[09:21] <Lynoure> david: Which card you have?
[09:21] <saurabh> Zoem: i will do that now
[09:21] <david> some ATI mobile M9
[09:22] <saurabh> Zoem: will Ctrl-Backspace be enough to restart both Gdm and XServer?
[09:22] <Lynoure> david: many of ati's laptop cards did...
[09:22] <Lynoure> !blacklist
[09:22] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add « blacklist <modulename> » to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type « sudo update-initramfs -u »
[09:22] <saurabh> Zoem: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[09:22] <Lynoure> no, not that one... oh well.
[09:22] <rohan> will ubuntu 8.04 be released with firefox3 beta as the default firefox?
[09:22] <Zoem> saurabh, that will restart the xserver, but gdm must be manual stopped and started
[09:23] <saurabh> Zoem: how do i manually stop gdm
[09:23] <Zoem> saurabh, i usually killall it, and you can start it with sudo gdm
[09:23] <saurabh> Zoem: ok
[09:23] <TychoQuad> rohan, looks like yes. possibly RC1 if that comes out in time
[09:23] <ayllu> someone can help me whit synce
[09:24] <Zoem> saurabh, if you do stop the gdm, you should do it from a tty terminal, since you will lose all windows while it is down
[09:24] <saurabh> Zoem: it is asking if it can use the Kernel framebuffer device
[09:24] <Zoem> ummm...
[09:24] <Zoem> yes?
[09:24] <rohan> TychoQuad: is it nice to have a LTS release with beta browser as default? :o
[09:24] <Zoem> saurabh, I would go with defaults in most cases
[09:25] <TychoQuad> normally i would say no, but these builds of firefox are lightyears ahead of firefox2
[09:25] <Fritzel`> is there anyway to get google toolbar to work on firefox 3b5? I realize this is sort of off topic, but I figured I'd ask in case anyone knows
[09:25] <david> google toolbar :B
[09:25] <Zoem> Fritzel`, firefox is yuck :P or, sorry, I don't know :)
[09:25] <david> huhu
[09:26] <david> Zoem: lynx ftw?
[09:26] <HorizonXP> so I just found a bug in gcalculator
[09:26] <saurabh> Zoem: i reconfigured the x-server and i am about to kill gdm and xserver, how can i kill the xserver
[09:26] <HorizonXP> wondering if other people can reproduce it?
[09:26] <Zoem> david, lol <3 lynx. but I use opera
[09:26] <Zoem> saurabh, if you kill gdm, xserver goes with it :)
[09:26] <rohan> TychoQuad: ahead in what way?
[09:26] <rohan> features?
[09:27] <TychoQuad> features, stability, platform intergration, rendering speed and accuracy
[09:27] <HorizonXP> open gcalc, try doing a huge sum of numbers
[09:27] <HorizonXP> like 5.64+3.62+14.68+....
[09:28] <HorizonXP> I just used my bank statement :)
[09:28] <Zoem> what is the problem?
[09:28] <HorizonXP> do it for a large amount, like 20 items, so that the display starts to scroll
[09:28] <coz_> guys a couple of questions...I cannot get the nvidia driver 9755  to install on hardy is this because of x11/xcb?  and also  what the heck is breaking compiz fusion plugins from last update?
[09:28] <HorizonXP> when you hit enter, the display is just blank
[09:28] <Zoem> HorizonXP, no idea. add a launchpad on it :)
[09:28] <compwiz18> hm
[09:28] <HorizonXP> if you do copy, and paste into a text editor, you see the answer
[09:28] <compwiz18> you're right :)
[09:29] <HorizonXP> can you try it for me?
[09:29] <HorizonXP> it could be just me
[09:29] <compwiz18> I did
[09:29] <HorizonXP> oh nice
[09:29] <compwiz18> no answer
[09:29] <HorizonXP> yay!
[09:29] <HorizonXP> I found a bug!
[09:29] <david> the calculation is too complex for linux
[09:29] <TychoQuad> anyone not able to launch applications after starting kismet?
[09:29] <david> you need a windows 98 machine or higher to do that HorizonXP
[09:29] <ayllu> yep
[09:30] <HorizonXP> compwiz18: go Edit->Copy, and paste into another program, you'll see the answer there. so it is getting calculated
[09:30] <david> ^____^
[09:30] <HorizonXP> lol
[09:30] <bazhang> !windows
[09:30] <ubotu> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents
[09:30] <HorizonXP> indeed!
[09:30] <compwiz18> HorizonXP: yeah, I suspect the box doesn't scroll back or something
[09:30] <Zoem> coz_, is that the most recent driver?
[09:30] <HorizonXP> time to file a bug
[09:30] <HorizonXP> !bug
[09:30] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[09:31] <ayllu> someone can help me whit synce
[09:31] <ayllu> i want to copy files to my ipaq
[09:31] <compwiz18> on the upside, this is the first ubuntu release that installed all the restricted drivers without any command line help :)
[09:31] <coz_> Zoem, no it is not it is an older driver  but the best for this one nvidia card fx5700
[09:31] <saurabh> Zoem: i ultimately restarted the machine, it still doesnt start
[09:31] <Zoem> saurabh, can you repaste xorg.conf pls?
[09:31] <ayllu> use envyng, and check xorg
[09:32] <Zoem> coz_, perhaps it is part of nvidia-glx-legacy now?
[09:32] <compwiz18> !envy
[09:32] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[09:32] <TychoQuad> ayllu, try http://www.synce.org/moin/SynceChat
[09:32] <david> ayllu: sync or just copy files
[09:32] <coz_> Zoem,  no it isnt  and I never use glx i always manually install from nvidia however in hardy this driver refuses to install
[09:33] <Zoem> coz_, I wouldn't know about that, I need to use the 173.0x beta :/
[09:33] <ayllu> just copy files, i install, synce but nautiles cant sopurt it
[09:33] <david> if copying files is the goal, then it's much easier to just use a cardreader ayllu
[09:33] <saurabh> Zoem: new xorg.conf is here http://pastebin.com/m5ba00f10
[09:34] <coz_> Zoem, yeah I understand   however even though the 100.xx and up install fine on hardy they do not fair well with my video card on this system
[09:34] <ayllu> the think is, hardy has upgrade from gnomevfs to gvfs, so nautilus cant supourt syce
[09:35] <david> did you ever manage to sync properly prior to hardy?
[09:35] <Zoem> saurabh, how badly do you want this? feel like manually editing your xorg.conf?
[09:35] <Zoem> coz_, sorry, I don't know what to do about that? maybe try envy?
[09:36] <coz_> Zoem, no I dont use envy  thanks
[09:36] <coz_> :)
[09:36] <parthibls> ﻿Hi....NEED SOME HELP!......Trying to setup Hardy on a new desktop.......Everything is fine except the on-board LAN on the NVidia GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 isn't working
[09:36] <ayllu> i install the backports for hardy, but i seen ist dosnt a upgrade, o maybe is a bug, because, i can do all, also installing programs but not copy files
[09:36] <parthibls> any SUGGESTIONS??
[09:36] <Zoem> coz_, well, maybe the beta then? I dunno, sorry :/
[09:37] <coz_> Zoem,  no thats ok I was just wondering if anyone knew why that particular driver would not install on hardy
[09:37] <Zoem> Identifier "Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device"
[09:37] <Zoem> Driver "i810"
[09:37] <Zoem> BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
[09:37] <Zoem> Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps"
[09:37] <Zoem> EndSection
[09:38] <Zoem> I cut/paste fail :(
[09:39] <HorizonXP> compwiz18: bug report 216689
[09:39] <vox> i seem to have an issue with anything that requires su within gnome.  anytime i click on, say, Synaptic, it says "starting Administrative Application" on the taskbar, then after a few seconds it goes away and nothing happens.
[09:39] <ayllu> I can not  explore the divace, but synce-tryicon i can install a program. so i think there is soomething arrund to fix it, to que synce work whit nautilus, i read many post on then net and i think im alone whit that problem
[09:39] <saurabh> Zoem: well, i used to do that in feisty and gutsy, but what i dont understand is why it doesnt work, if it doesnt work here, there will be a lot of people without this
[09:40] <DrUnKnMuNkY> TychoQuad, found a fix for Synergy you can pass on to your friend. Found in the forums that running it as root fixes the problem. For me it's working so far as root.
[09:40] <bazhang> vox use sudo not su
[09:40] <TychoQuad> thanks DrUnKnMuNkY, will be sure to let him know
[09:41] <Zoem> saurabh, what I am seeing is that your xorg.conf is not being configured for any kind of graphics adapter at all. This prolly has to do with some changes to the driver managers or to xserver
[09:41] <TychoQuad> bazhang, i have the same problem using sudo and kismet
[09:41] <DrUnKnMuNkY> vox, try using gksudo if you're not running the app from a terminal
[09:41] <Zoem> saurabh, there have been a few instances of things getting worse rather than betten :(
[09:43] <parthibls> ﻿anybody got NVidia GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 On-board LAN working??
[09:44] <vox> DrUnKnMuNkY: tried that aswell, makes no difference
[09:44] <vox> bazhang: sorry, gksu/gksudo
[09:44] <TychoQuad> same, continues to cause no applications to start
[09:45] <bazhang> vox are you running as root?
[09:45] <vox> bazhang: no, im logged into gnome as a user
[09:45] <TychoQuad> same
[09:45] <bazhang> vox what is the app you wish to use sudo/gksudo on?
[09:45] <saurabh> Zoem: from what i know, the new xorg auto configures everything but here is the output of compiz --replace http://pastebin.com/m74985877
[09:46] <TychoQuad> bazhang, i get the same problem as vox only with kismet
[09:46] <HorizonXP> hey, is anyone noticing freezes with compiz and nvidia cards? like, randomly? and the system mouse still works, just graphics doesn't?
[09:46] <TychoQuad> I believe he was attempting to start synaptic
[09:46] <vox> bazhang: er anything? Synaptic/Network/Printing/System Log/etc
[09:47] <bazhang> vox sounds odd; how long has this been happening?
[09:47] <parthibls> ﻿anybody got NVidia GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 On-board LAN working??
[09:47] <vox> bazhang: since i dist-upgraded to hardy from gutsy about 3 weeks ago
[09:47] <TychoQuad> bazhang, same
[09:48] <Zoem> saurabh, that actually looks like you do not have the driver installed... lemme look into that
[09:48] <bazhang> vox you have no ability to update or upgrade for three weeks?
[09:48] <vox> no
[09:48] <vox> i know how to use apt
[09:48] <vox> but this is a problem with gksu/gksudo
[09:48] <david> 11 days left :)
[09:48] <bazhang> vox so your dpkg is broken? no updates at all?
[09:48] <vox> which affects /alot/ of things
[09:48] <vox> nononono
[09:49] <vox> gksu/gksudo doesnt work properly.
[09:49] <david> wonder how many updates us betausers will get to achieve 8.04 LTS stable
[09:49] <david> (on day 0)
[09:49] <bazhang> david about 700-800 or more ;]
[09:49] <Gnine> !bug | vox
[09:49] <ubotu> vox: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[09:50] <david> bazhang: :D
[09:50] <bicyclist> !brightness
[09:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brightness - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:50] <bicyclist> !nvidia
[09:50] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:50] <Zoem> saurabh, you have intel 965 video card?
[09:51] <Fritzel`> does anyon else not have busy pointers?
[09:51] <vox> mmm it's listed
[09:52] <TychoQuad> what's the bug number vox?
[09:52] <vox> 55172
[09:52] <bazhang> bug #55172
[09:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 55172 in gksu "gksu dies on first run" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55172
[09:53] <saurabh> Zoem: its an Intel GMA 950
[09:54] <Zoem> saurabh, ok, can you do lspci and look for lines with "VGA compatible controller:" pls
[09:56] <saurabh> Zoem: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[09:57] <Zoem> neato
[09:58] <Zoem> saurabh, ok, I finally got my head out of my a** and found something that could be useful:)
[09:58] <Zoem> saurabh, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=253856&highlight=AIGLX
[09:59] <sailaway85> hi all
[10:00] <Zoem> saurabh, although, that is a bit dated...
[10:00] <Zoem> saurabh, if that can't help then I'm all out, sorry :(
[10:01] <saurabh> Zoem: u tried hard man, thanks! i will read it and try and tell you if it worked
[10:01] <saurabh> Zoem: brb
[10:02] <Zoem> saurabh, oh, I need to go sleep, so I have to call it a night
[10:02] <Zoem> saurabh, good luck
[10:03] <Fritzel`> does anyone who uses any mouse pointer theme except for KDE classic have invisible "busy" and "working in background" pointers?
[10:05] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: I seem to use DMZ white, and those two work fine for me
[10:05] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: I don't even seem to have "KDE classic" as a cursor theme option...
[10:06] <tapas> anyone else experience gnome-appearance-properties eating 100% cpu even after closing it?
[10:06] <tapas> [it continues until i kill the process manually]
[10:06] <Fritzel`> Lynoure: -nod- I installed probably about 30 additional pointer thems just to get away from KDE classic (it's ugly) and every single one of them have a missing busy and working in the background pointer
[10:06] <tapas> it has been so for me for quite a while, but never really used gnome
[10:07] <Fritzel`> except for KDE classic
[10:07] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: tried this one I am using yet?
[10:07] <Fritzel`> is it in the repos?
[10:07] <Fritzel`> I don't have it
[10:07] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: no idea...
[10:07] <_bt> hi, i need to report a bug but don't really know what package to file against. its to do with a USB volume not being unmounted properly on shutdown , because it is being shared by samba. any ideas?
[10:08] <Fritzel`> installing it now
[10:08] <TychoQuad> _bt, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/101845 volumes aren't being dismounted on shutdown at all atm
[10:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 101845 in hal "Automounted Volumes mount points change" [High,In progress]
[10:09] <Fritzel`> no those too are invislbe
[10:09] <Fritzel`> invisible
[10:09] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: hmm, or is kde classic the one labeled "System theme" - "Do not change curson theme"?
[10:09] <Fritzel`> here it's called KDE Classic
[10:09] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: interesting. Maybe me upgrading from Gutsy made it different for me...
[10:10] <Fritzel`> "KDE Classic" "The default cursor theme in KDE 2 and 3"
[10:10] <Fritzel`> Lynoure: that could be I installed fresh
[10:10] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: all themes I have seem happily have 6 different states
[10:11] <Fritzel`> has anyone else done a fresh install of hardy KDE4?
[10:11] <_bt> TychoQuad: thanks, that looks like the one.
[10:11] <TychoQuad> your welcome
[10:12] <parthibls> ﻿anybody got NVidia GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 On-board LAN working on Haardy??
[10:12] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: oh,  kde4! You did not mention that earlier...
[10:12] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: What I said about mine only applies to my kde3.5.9, have not tried that on kde4
[10:12] <Fritzel`> Lynoure: -nod-
[10:13] <Fritzel`> well I don't want to report it till I can get a confirmed second case?
[10:13] <Fritzel`> er -?
[10:13] <_bt> TychoQuad: that probably should have been fixed before now
[10:14] <TychoQuad> _bt, no kidding, but it hasn't been. It's been annoying the hell out of me, right next to kismet locking up the system
[10:14] <_bt> TychoQuad: ouch
[10:14] <Fritzel`> what package is SystemSettings in on kde4? I want to reinstallit
[10:14] <x0x> can anyone tell me how to make text mode colorful?
[10:14] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: It's ok to report a bug regardless. It will show as unconfirmed until someone confirms it, anyway
[10:14] <Fritzel`> or how can I find that out myself
[10:15] <_bt> TychoQuad: i think i might have a slight variation on that bug. because samba is sharing the volume, its not being unmounted either. which causes it to be checked on bootup, etc.
[10:15] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: but if you are patient and wait a bit, I could switch to kde4 to try.
[10:15] <Fritzel`> I've got time though I may not be awake more often, if you do, I'd appreciate a /msg with what you find
[10:15] <Fritzel`> more often = much longer,
[10:15] <Fritzel`> maybe I'm more tired than I thought ^^
[10:15] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: (or you could ask on #kubuntu-kde4, which might have someone else awake)
[10:16] <Fritzel`> good idea
[10:16] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: sleep and away logging = goodness
[10:16] <Fritzel`> ^^
[10:17] <x0x> can anyone tell me how to make bash colorful?
[10:18] <tapas> x0x: search for $PS1
[10:18] <x0x> tapas thanks
[10:19] <x0x> now i dont know where to put it
[10:19] <tapas> x0x: i guess you mean the prompt right?
[10:19] <tapas> have a look into ~/.bashr
[10:19] <x0x> yea
[10:19] <tapas> ~/.bashrc
[10:20] <x0x> nothing is here :S
[10:20] <tapas> ok, great all kde apps stopped working.. hmm
[10:20] <Fritzel`> ok that may not have been the best thing I've ever done
[10:20] <x0x>  ~/.bashrc it is
[10:20] <Fritzel`> removed systemsettings so I could reinstall it clean and now systemsettings is a blank sheet ><
[10:20] <tapas> x0x: yep
[10:21] <Lynoure> x0x: colorful how?
[10:21] <Fritzel`> what's the proper package for installing systemsettings-kde4?
[10:21] <x0x>    PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\$
[10:21] <x0x> do i have to edit it?
[10:21] <x0x> Lynoure ???
[10:21] <tanner> erm
[10:21] <Fritzel`> brb
[10:21] <tanner> i hate trying to get vmware to work with ubuntu :-\
[10:21] <Lynoure> x0x: what do you want to be in colour, the prompt or something else?
[10:21] <parthibls> ﻿anybody got NVidia GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 On-board LAN working??
[10:21] <tapas> i hate that gnome looks so sweet, but my whole system does sstrange things since i use it ;)
[10:22] <x0x> Lynoure everything :D
[10:23] <mat__> hello all... im trying to downgrade a version of wine...
[10:23] <Lynoure> x0x: that's a tall order.. look for a colour switch in all the little programs you use, and make an alias for using it
[10:23] <mat__> is there a howto? somewhere?
[10:23] <Fritzel> phew, ok got my systemsettings back
[10:23] <Jaymac> is there no realplayer package for hardy anymore (apart from ubuntu-restricted-extras perhaps?) the BBC iplayer radio is terrible quality with the real codec i have
[10:24] <x0x> Lynoure umm any examples?
[10:24] <Lynoure> x0x: e.g. alias ls='ls --color=auto'
[10:24] <Fritzel> Oi! and it worked too yay I've got busy pointers
[10:25] <Lynoure> Fritzel: :)
[10:25] <x0x> Lynoure ok thanks. how do i add color to promot ?
[10:26] <mat__> anyone? for a howto downgrading wine?
[10:26] <rinaldi_> hi im trying to mount my sony walkman connected to usb. It appears as a usb drive but when I click on it it says "unable to mount partition" anyone had this problem?
[10:27] <Lynoure> x0x: I think I'll look up a howto for you for that, as I have no idea whether you want every word in rainbow color or what
[10:27] <Fritzel> I wonder if that would work for my flickering taskbar
[10:27] <Fritzel> unfortunatly I have no idea what package that would be in
[10:28] <bazhang> mat__: best bet is #winehq
[10:28] <x0x> Lynoure rainbow color :D
[10:28] <Lynoure> x0x: http://networking.ringofsaturn.com/Unix/Bash-prompts.php or http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/howtos/Bash-Prompt/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO-12.html for more advanced examples
[10:29] <decay> !lamp
[10:29] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:29] <x0x> sweet
[10:29] <Lynoure> x0x: hmm, actually http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/x329.html is probably clearest
[10:31] <x0x> i am confoused
[10:31] <x0x> ok lamme see
[10:31] <mat__> bazhang i guess what i was looking for is the package system to have a downgrade available
[10:32] <bazhang> mat__: downgrading is very risky unless you really know what you are doing
[10:32] <x0x> Lynoure i am still confused :s
[10:32] <x0x> Lynoure can you edit one for me?
[10:33] <mat__> im just trying to downgrade one program...
[10:33] <bazhang> mat__: that may depend on other programs..
[10:33] <Lynoure> x0x: Sorry, there is a limit to things I do for free for strangers on a Sunday morning :)
[10:34] <x0x> lol
[10:34] <Lynoure> x0x: But it's learnable, you can learn it too (I rarely use colour codes in the prompt myself)
[10:35] <mat__> hmmm...
[10:35] <x0x> Lynoure can you pastebin your ~/.bashrc?
[10:36] <Lynoure> x0x: there is absolutely nothing special in there currently... What are you looking for?
[10:37] <bicyclist> Somebody heard any news about the mount problem with external drives ?
[10:37] <bicyclist> I still have unused directories left and my drives are mounted with more and more __ at the end.
[10:40] <Gater> Wanna be AN IRCOP? ---> http://crazyk.sytes.net/ http://crazyk.sytes.net/ http://crazyk.sytes.net/
[10:42] <bazhang> that is annoying
[10:42] <x0x> lol
[10:43] <x0x> might be virus
[10:43] <x0x> :p
[10:45] <bbernie> Does anyone know how to edit the right-click menu, when right clicking the desktop [using gnome]
[10:57] <Trollet> I have some problem to connect to Internet with DHCP with my Ubuntu Hardy. Help anyone?
[10:58] <DarphBobo> after installing updates i'm having trouble with playing movies.. totem have two scrollers.. and doesn't respond to keyboard shortcuts
[11:02] <DarphBobo> nobody here?
[11:02] <tarelerulz> wow DarphBobo that is lame .
[11:02] <jochmenDS> what is the release date?
[11:02] <jussio1> 24th
[11:02] <Lynoure> Trollet: you could pastebin the output of   sudo dhclient
[11:03] <Trollet> sure hang on
[11:03] <pwuertz> the gtk window decorator seems to be gone
[11:04] <DarphBobo> tarelerulz, ?
[11:05] <tarelerulz> Well, I feel you on updating and stuff don't seem to work right
[11:06] <tarelerulz> I updated to Ubuntu 8.04 and sound works ,but some feature don't work right like I can't see properties on .mkv I ripped
[11:06] <Trollet> Lynoure: where shall i pastbin it?
[11:09] <Lynoure> Trollet: any pastebin service you like, just post the resulting url to the channel
[11:09] <andre_> Hello =) Anyone knows how i add a key on a usb pendrive to my existing crypttab using passphrase, and only use the passphrase as a fallback? :)
[11:11] <Trollet> Lynoure: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63027/
[11:12] <DarphBobo> just checked with old kernel, still same problem
[11:18] <DarphBobo> weird, works fine now after i tried mplayer and totem in terminal.. now the gui works fine
[11:20] <Trollet> Lynoure: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63030/
[11:27] <Lynoure> Trollet: oh, sorry for the delay...
[11:27] <Lynoure> Trollet: that's the result of   sudo dhclient  ? Really?
[11:28] <Lynoure> Trollet: looks like   ifconfig
[11:28] <Trollet> Lynoure: there is two of them, the first is dhclient and the second is ifconfig -a
[11:30] <Lynoure> Trollet: oh, missed the first
[11:31] <Lynoure> Trollet: do you know the ip address of your dhcp server? Do you use a firewall between it and you?
[11:32] <Trollet> Lynoure: i have a router
[11:32] <membrive> hi!
[11:32] <jussio1> hi!
[11:32] <jagggy> when will hardy be fully released?
[11:32] <Trollet> Lynoure: The same router as the connection I use for this chat.
[11:32] <jussio1> membrive: its quite stable, but there still are bugs of course
[11:32] <jussio1> jagggy: 24th
[11:32] <jagggy> ty
[11:33] <Lynoure> Trollet: and it is the dhcp server, or the dhcp server is behind it?
[11:33] <membrive> jussi01, I am thinking about upgrade from gutsy, but I am scared xD
[11:33] <jussio1> membrive: its only 2 weeks away, why not wait
[11:33] <Trollet> Lynoure: the dhcp-server is the router
[11:33] <Lynoure> Trollet: if it is supposed to serve dhcp, do check it's settings. Might have run out of pool or just not to serve that mac address
[11:34] <membrive> jussi01, thats is true
[11:34] <membrive> I will wait I think
[11:34] <Trollet> Lynoure: I think the problem is that the Ubuntu computer is some kind of DHCP-server as well as the router and they are in a conflict.
[11:35] <Trollet> Lynoure: the router seems to work ok.
[11:35] <Lynoure> Trollet: have you set it to be dhcp server? It will not become one on it's own from the default install
[11:36] <Trollet> Lynoure: hmm i don't think so i just used the gnome tool do activate wired connection and dhcp
[11:36] <membrive> jussi01, LTS upgrade works for kubuntu too?
[11:38] <jussio1> membrive: apparently :)
[11:38] <membrive> ok xD
[11:39] <Lynoure> Trollet: tell me a bit more about the network. You said the same router serves some other computer as well? (My main recommendation is still to check the router dhcpserver settings, would not be the first time the ip pool for dhcp is just 1 or 2, or mac based)
[11:46] <Trollet> Lynoure: 1 or 2, or mac based?
[11:53] <Trollet> Lynoure: DHCP server is activated to the LAN network
[11:53] <Lynoure> Trollet: and how large ip pool does it have? any MAC settings?
[11:54] <Lynoure> Trollet: sometimes dhcp servers in routers just pass onward the one public address they get.
[11:54] <Trollet> Lynoure:  Starting IP Address 192.168.0.100 Ending IP Address 192.168.0.199 Lease Time 1 WEEK
[11:56] <Lynoure> Trollet: do you have firewall installed on your ubuntu? If not, next step would probably be tcpdump to see what gets sent out by dhclient. That's a bit fiddly.
[11:57] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone have crashes with firefox when on youtube
[11:57] <Trollet> Lynoure: ok i give it a try, brb
[11:58] <Trollet> Lynoure: i use default settings on Hardy
[12:08] <tarelerulz> Do any of you rip movies ? if so what do you use ?
[12:10] <TheInfinity> tarelerulz: HandBrake
[12:11] <tarelerulz> Does hand break do .mkv
[12:11] <Trollet> Lynoure: Thanks for all help, need to do other work now...
[12:12] <TheInfinity> dont know
[12:13] <TheInfinity> it makes excellent mpeg4 videos ;)
[12:13] <Lynoure> Trollet: I hope it gets sorted out for you at some point.
[12:13] <boritek> hello, i have no 3d in hardy. Jockey-gtk's list is empty.
[12:14] <boritek> although ATI driver is installed
[12:14] <tarelerulz> TheInfinity: I just went to the handgrake site and it says linux command line . No gui version . is it in the repository for ubuntu
[12:14] <TheInfinity> oh damn wrong channel - in osx you have a excellent gui ;)
[12:15] <Trollet> Lynoure: =)
[12:15] <DanaG> Oh yeah, random note about DHCP:
[12:15] <DanaG> I once had a Netgear router that simply REFUSED to give my computer an IP address.
[12:16] <tarelerulz> That like as it can be if did not want a gui I would just use mencoder and call it good.
[12:16] <boritek> can u help me, how i could make ATI driver turn on again?
[12:16] <DanaG> The only solution was either to restart the router every damn time I wanted to connect, or replace the router.  For the sake of my sanity, I decided to go with the latter -- and then while I was at it, I got a dd-wrt-able one.
[12:17] <tarelerulz> DanaG that is lame. I have a router that don't work the my system good
[12:17] <DanaG> I could also manually set my system to my reserved ip and THEN do dhclient:
[12:17] <tarelerulz> Like I use  a lot of torrent and it does not tcp/udp all in the same part for portfowarding .
[12:17] <DanaG> sudo dhclient eth0 & sleep 2 && sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.3
[12:18] <DanaG> If you're looking for a replacement router, get one of the recommended ones from the dd-wrt wiki.
[12:19] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the only Linux distro I ever saw the router work consistently with was SuSE -- it has an "Always Request Broadcast Response" option for the DHCP client.  I don't have a clue what that option actually meant, or lead to in config files.
[12:30] <Steven1> Hi I was just in #ubuntu and no one was able to help me. I had my ATI X850 working pretty well in Gutsy but now that I upgraded to Hardy it's not working. Any ideas on what I can do to fix it?
[12:31] <Seveas> Steven1, did you manually install drivers?
[12:32] <magnetron> !patience Steven1
[12:32] <magnetron> !patience | Steven1
[12:32] <ubotu> Steven1: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:33] <Steven1> No Seveas. I used the restricted drivers. Then I found a page and tried to install fsx-whatever and that didn't do it either.
[12:33] <Steven1> Sorry didn't see the tab flash red.
[12:35] <Steven1> The thing is I don't get why it would work in Gutsy with restricted drivers but not so in Hardy.
[12:36] <Dr_willis> Could be some bug with the new drivers, but i found the restricted drivers tool to be a little flakey under hardy for me. I had to manually load my nvidia card drivers.
[12:36] <Steven1> Hmm...I saw something about envy. Is that any good? Also how do I get it and use it if so?
[12:36] <tarelerulz> So, when is Ubuntu 8.04 coming out in stable from?
[12:37] <dns53> 28th or 26th something like that
[12:37] <Steven1> It works. But the ATI functionality apparently is still lacking.
[12:37] <Dr_willis> 'when its done'
[12:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:38] <tarelerulz> So far I like Ubuntu 8.04 . I like the fact they updated the alsa to version that works for my sound system.
[12:39] <Steven1> I'm still in my first hours of using it. But can't seem to get the other resolutions working with my cards restricted drivers.
[12:39] <Steven1> It also can't detect what monitor I'm using either.
[12:39] <daekdroom> tarelerulz: Ubuntu 8.04 doesn't use alsa
[12:39] <tarelerulz> daekdroom:  what does it use then?
[12:39] <daekdroom> Pulseaudio
[12:40] <daekdroom> ALSA programs still work with alsa, but it's pulseaudio by default.
[12:40] <tarelerulz> What is pulseudio ?
[12:40] <Steven1> :-/
[12:40] <daekdroom> It's an audio server like alsa.
[12:40] <daekdroom> I think. xD
[12:40] <jussio1> !pulseaudio
[12:40] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[12:42] <tarelerulz> Well, all I know if the sound worked out of the box.  I had to use backport to get the sound working and I had to install alsa .15 for my other system to get the sound
[12:44] <binarical-app> when i : apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, only a partial system upgrade is possible.... how is a full upgrade possible. perspectivly, is the partial upgrade a question of outdated packages?
[12:44] <magnetron> binarical-app: what is the error message you get?
[12:44] <tarelerulz> I am just asking ,but have you guys every had  different program work for install to install ? It seem everytime I install Ubuntu some stuff work and some stuff don't. and I use the same version too.
[12:45] <binarical-app> : not all upgrades are "installable" , continue with a partial upgrade?......something liket hat
[12:46] <binarical-app> that is the comment of the ui upgrader. via cli, apt-get quits
[12:46] <magnetron> binarical-app: does it say which package fails?
[12:47] <elmargol> dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libmicrohttpd.so.4 <- any ideas?
[12:47] <binarical-app> magnetron: no, it simply chooses which packages to upgrade and which ones not to
[12:47] <binarical-app> i thought of useing the force upgrade option, however dont want to break my system
[12:48] <binarical-app> anyway i have to go now, ill be back later on
[12:48] <binarical-app> thanks guys
[12:59] <tarelerulz> I would like to say I all like the fact that volume control for the main volume work for my headset . in Ubuntu 7.10 I had to find the headset volume to control that.  Not need to do that anymore if great change for me .
[12:59] <magentax> hello. i have trouble running the newest kernels in 8.04 (rev. -15,-16). I get "BUG: unable to handle kernel dereference at virtual address 0000001" at the stage 'loading drivers'. I have to hit strg+alt+del to continue.
[13:00] <magentax> Full dmesg trace is here: http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~kaempfer/oops.txt
[13:00] <magentax> now it only lets me boot in rescue mode and i have only readaccess to my disk
[13:09] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Heres a ubuntu based disrto. thats. err.. not free..
[13:09] <Dr_willis> Im thinking theres some legal issues with what the guy is doing. even if it is only $1
[13:10] <Dr_willis> http://symphonyos.com/cms/
[13:11] <jaffarkelshac> how do i stop flv files in cache from deleting itself
[13:11] <jaffarkelshac> this is firefox
[13:11] <Daviey> Dr_willis: you can charge to download.. even RMS states that
[13:11] <david> jaffarkelshac: ##firefox?
[13:11] <Dr_willis> Daviey,  it just seems odd how they word it.. BUT upon reading farther down.. after april 18th it will be free...
[13:12] <Dr_willis> I was checking to see if they still had the source avail.. but looks like they are going to release it for free.. just grying to get some $$ from people that cant wait i guess.
[13:12] <jaffarkelshac> is that a channel david
[13:12] <Daviey> Dr_willis: not sure it's on topic for here tho
[13:12] <david> jaffarkelshac: I don't know :)
[13:12] <Dr_willis> Yet another Ubuntu variant. :)
[13:13] <Dr_willis> We may need ideas from it for Ubuntu+2
[13:14] <ere4si> jaffarkelshac: I use youtube-dl.py for that
[13:14] <Dr_willis> Theres several firefox extensions for dloading video from those video sites as well.
[13:47] <clusty> any chance the LEDs will work again with the iwl drivers?
[13:47] <Arelis> Hey! The topic no longer says hardy isn't safe on production machines! So is it safe for me to install now?
[13:47] <clusty> seems the kernel is frozen but bug is still there
[13:48] <clusty> Arelis, i suggest waiting another 2 weeks
[13:48] <Arelis> no way, hardy supports my tablet.
[13:48] <clusty> just 2 days ago the compiz got buggered
[13:48] <Arelis> i don't care for compiz
[13:48] <IdleOne> Arelis: it is still beta
[13:49] <IdleOne> but yeah you can install now if you like
[13:49] <Arelis> and use it without it breaking?
[13:49] <clusty> it rarly breaks fully
[13:49] <clusty> just annoying from time to time
[13:50] <daekdroom> some days ago they broke ff
[13:50] <clusty> that is nuissance :D
[13:50] <clusty> always have 2 windows managers and 2 browsers
[13:50] <clusty> :D
[13:50] <^^MAg^^> Hi, any chances to get upgraded webkit in hardy?
[13:50] <clusty> i am glad compiz broke
[13:51] <NET||abuse> I'm bord of playing the same old game every day, I need to learn a new game, have to choose between django and rails... hmmm
[13:51] <clusty> i tried out kde cause of it :D
[13:51] <clusty> came a long way since kde3
[13:51] <Arelis> clusty: kde4 is actually usable now?
[13:51] <daekdroom> I didn't like KDE 4. KDE 3 looks good but I didn't adapt into it.
[13:51] <clusty> Arelis, looks great
[13:51] <clusty> more osX ish
[13:52] <clusty> LED any1?
[13:55] <andre_> Hello =) Anyone knows how i add a key on a usb pendrive to my existing crypttab using passphrase, and only use the passphrase as a fallback? :)
[13:56] <jaffarkelshac> can i stop cache deletion in firefox,
[13:58] <franz1789> does anyone used correctly envyng? it always gives me some error
[13:58] <bicyclist> franz1789 yes worked for me.
[13:58] <bicyclist> but now i installed the latest beta driver myself.
[13:59] <franz1789> bicyclist, the fact is that I cannot do the m-a build fglrx
[13:59] <franz1789> it always give me errors
[13:59] <franz1789> it says it cannot find the makefile
[13:59] <franz1789> I make clean the kernel, I reinstalled it, I don't know what to do
[13:59] <bicyclist> hmm i used it with nvidia and as i understand you try an ati driver ?
[14:00] <franz1789> sorry, yes
[14:00] <cosminb82> ﻿how can I find out which version of the uvc module is installed in hardy?
[14:00] <franz1789> I made m-a prepare m-a update and m-a build fglrx but it always fails
[14:02] <franz1789> well, gonna try with the help of the ati installer
[14:02] <franz1789> but it's strange, it always worked for me
[14:04] <mydoghasworms> Since upgrading to 8.04 Beta, I have no sound, and it seems like the system does not detect my sound cards. Where do I start looking?
[14:08] <Lynoure> mydoghasworms: I probably cannot help you (I'm on Kubuntu, no pulseaudio there), but which sound card?
[14:14] <mydoghasworms> Lynoure: C-Media and an Intel which is on the motherboard.
[14:16] <cosminb82> I have an Asus X55sv laptop, with chicony webcam, video is upside down... how do I fix it?
[14:16] <cosminb82> are there any special module parameters to do this?
[14:18] <echinos> anyone else having problems with gnome-settings-daemon failing?
[14:29] <oupa> ﻿do I need to open some ports, like 80 & 3000 somewhere in HArdy? if so, where?
[14:29] <TwoD> Hey all! I get a kernel panic when trying to recheck torrent files on one of my harddisks in µTorrent. It always hangs at the same % and then programs degrade until freeze and blinking numlock. Last time I notices the degrade (such as µT freeze, systray programs freeze...) I did a normal reboot but got this error: http://pastebin.com/m3cfbfec5
[14:30] <oupa> I am not able to ping my 'localhost' since upgrading to Hardy. Any ideas?
[14:31] <oupa> or 127.0.0.1 come to that:-(
[14:32] <Lynoure> mydoghasworms: do you happen to know the specific intel chip? lspci might list it
[14:32] <jaffarkelshac> can i stop cache deletion in firefox,
[14:34] <crimsun> TwoD: i.e., hardware errors.
[14:35] <crimsun> oupa: is lo actually up?  Is it "unfirewalled"?
[14:36] <jaffarkelshac> can i stop cache deletion in firefox,
[14:36] <TwoD> crimsun, yes but where? I'm guessing a hdd?
[14:36] <blekos> does anybody know if the problem with iwl driver has been solved?
[14:37] <TwoD> It mentions mcelog, would that program tell me more?
[14:37] <crimsun> TwoD: could be, or the controller.  See smartmontools.
[14:37] <TwoD> what's that?
[14:38] <crimsun> and mcelog is in the mcelog package.
[14:38] <palma> can anyone help me get my laptop resolution working?
[14:38] <crimsun> they're both packages, TwoD.
[14:38] <crimsun> install them; use them.
[14:38] <TwoD> Yes I know that.... but what do they do..
[14:39] <crimsun> TwoD: they help you diagnose problems.
[14:39] <oupa> any ideas why I can't access localhost please?
[14:40] <TwoD> I figured that much yes, but how do I use them? Sorry for all the newbie questions, but I've never run into a kernel panic before..
[14:40] <TwoD> Nvm... I'll just rtfm...
[14:41] <blekos> does anybody know if the problem with iwl driver (wireless) has been solved?
[14:41] <protonchris> blekos: which problem?  Works fine here with WPA2
[14:42] <blekos> with 3945 intel newtork card
[14:42] <blekos> there was a bug
[14:42] <crimsun> TwoD: sorry, I'm just very busy ATM
[14:42] <blekos> the switched from prop. to free
[14:42] <TwoD> crimsun, np.
[14:42] <KenSentMe> Flashplugin-nonfree is installed, but i can't load any flash movies in firefox 3. Know problem or a simple solution for this?
[14:43] <dns53> have you restarted firefox?
[14:43] <TwoD> KenSentMe, I've got the same problems. I used gnash instead. Worked better but with far from all movies.
[14:44] <Arelis> where has ccsm gone?
[14:44] <Arelis> how do i customize compiz?
[14:44] <KenSentMe> dns53, the problem occurs for a few days/week now
[14:44] <TwoD> And I can't seem to get back to ff2 in Hardy, not even by explicitly running firefox-2 after re-installing it. (which feels kinda dumb as ff3 crashes constantly)
[14:45] <KenSentMe> TwoD, does gnash support flash9 stuff?
[14:45] <protonchris> Arelis: IIRC, the name changed.  Try installing simple-ccsm
[14:45] <TwoD> I think so, not all maybe. Check the description in synaptic
[14:45] <dns53> well you could try apt-get --reinstall install app
[14:45] <Arelis> protonchris: thanks
[14:46] <crimsun> TwoD: for smartmontools, try `sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda'
[14:46] <KrimZon> successfully ported my wubi to an actual partition \o/
[14:47] <KenSentMe> dns53, that helped, thanks
[14:47] <KenSentMe> TwoD, reinstall flashpulgin-nonfree works
[14:47] <TwoD> ok thanks! btw, mcelog dumps info to stdout according to what I read, and then removes it from the log. How do I dump to a file instead?
[14:48] <TwoD> KenSentMe, it does? I'll try that later then
[14:48] <crimsun> TwoD: use shell redirection, >
[14:49] <TwoD> doh...
[14:50] <TwoD> Why are linux things sometimes so easy while you expect them to be harder simply because it "shouldn't" be so easy??
[14:50] <Arelis> this livecd hasn't crashed yet. WITH compiz.
[14:51] <oupa> can anybody suggest where I can go to get help with my problem connecting to localhost?
[14:51] <Arelis> Gutsy does.
[14:52] <protonchris> oupa: is the localhost interface up?  Is it firewalled?  crimsun asked you this before.  We were wating for answers.
[14:54] <oupa> protonchris:sorry, I miised the previous message
[14:54] <protonchris> oupa: np
[14:55] <oupa> yes, the interface is up and I have access to the Internet
[14:55] <oupa> I haven't installed a firewall, I just upgraded from gutsy
[14:56] <oupa> I have apache running on port 80 and mongrel on port 3000 but can't access either
[14:57] <oupa> I can't ping localhost or 127.0.0.0 or 127.0.0.1
[14:57] <protonchris> oupa: well you probably have multiple interfaces.  type 'ifconfig -a' and tell us the status of the lo interface.
[14:58] <linkinxp> hey guys which one is the command for COpy?
[14:58] <oupa> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
[14:58] <oupa>           LOOPBACK  MTU:16436  Metric:1
[14:59] <aguitel> is anyway to downgrade from hardy to gutsy ?
[14:59] <daekdroom> No
[14:59] <blekos> after the beta version were any updates released  till today?
[14:59] <daekdroom> Way too many.
[14:59] <daekdroom> More than 200Mb, I think.
[15:00] <protonchris> oupa: try running 'sudo ifup lo' in a terminal
[15:00] <blekos> hmm interesting, hope they solved the problem with wpa. That is the only reason keeping me from upgrading
[15:00] <rvalles> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: No such file or directory
[15:00] <rvalles> anybody familiar with this?
[15:01] <blekos> y do u want to downrade?
[15:01] <daekdroom> That happens to me when I start a wine application :
[15:01] <aguitel> hardy sucks with me
[15:01] <oupa> Ignoring unknown interface lo=lo.
[15:02] <protonchris> oupa: what is in your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[15:02] <linkinxp> how i get Root in Graphic mode ?
[15:02] <rvalles> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: No such file or directory. Anybody familiar with this?
[15:02] <jaffarkelshac> i am getting rather pissed of with ubuntu, my problem does not have a fix,
[15:02] <oupa> auto lo
[15:02] <protonchris> oupa: is that it for lo?
[15:03] <oupa> that's it period!
[15:03] <protonchris> oupa: try adding 'iface lo inet loopback' on the line below 'auto lo'
[15:04] <protonchris> oupa: then run 'sudo ifup lo' in a terminal
[15:04] <rvalles> protonchris: this shouldn't be needed
[15:04] <rvalles> definitivelly a bug that interfaces got broken
[15:05] <linkinxp> How i copy a folder using Root privileges?
[15:05] <oupa> protonchris: that's got it, thanks.
[15:06] <oupa> linkinxp: start nautilus with sudo>
[15:07] <daekdroom> or gksu
[15:07] <daekdroom> you can use cp command too
[15:07] <protonchris> rvalles: I agree.
[15:08] <rvalles> I'm scared that things are like this
[15:08] <rvalles> with the release so close
[15:08] <rvalles> I had to add "auto eth0" on mine
[15:08] <rvalles> (there's a bug on the launchpad on that)
[15:09] <rvalles> but the whole brockenness with audio is far worse imho
[15:10] <crimsun> rvalles: run the alsa-info.sh script, then tell us the url
[15:10] <protonchris> oupa: You should consider submitting a bug on launchpad.
[15:11] <linkinxp> oupa:  "D thanks
[15:13] <palma> Does anyone know how I can get my laptop to display a widescreen resolution?
[15:13] <rvalles> crimsun: let me check
[15:13] <rvalles> crimsun: where's that script?
[15:13] <protonchris> oupa: the title of the bug could be something as simple as "iface lo inet loopback missing from /etc/network/interfaces after an upgrade from gutsy to hardy"
[15:13] <crimsun> rvalles: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[15:14] <omar> Where can I get gtkmozembed?
[15:17] <rvalles> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/983602
[15:18] <crimsun> rvalles: start by removing the options snd-hda-intel model=3stack from /etc/modprobe.d/*, then reboot.
[15:20] <rvalles> crimsun: I put that one there myself
[15:20] <crimsun> rvalles: yes, comment it out or remove the line.
[15:21] <rvalles> crimsun: no mixer either way
[15:21] <rvalles> but well, I'll comment it and reboot as you ask me
[15:21] <rvalles> then regenerate the alsa-test thingy again
[15:21] <rvalles> ok rebooting
[15:22] <jaffarkelshac> is anyone having problems with firefox not playing flash videos
[15:23] <rvalles> jaffarkelshac: which flash plugin do you have?
[15:24] <jaffarkelshac> shockwave flash
[15:24] <rvalles> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/983609
[15:24] <rvalles> crimsun: still no traces of a mixer, btw.
[15:25] <jaffarkelshac> i am trying to download ie6 for my ubuntu, firefox is not meeting my needs
[15:26] <crimsun> rvalles: yes, I know.  Give me a sec to look at the codec info.
[15:26] <rvalles> crimsun: thanks, btw
[15:27] <rvalles> crimsun: The real problem I'm having is that I need the mic to work (for videoconference). There's some mixers in gnome but those are pulseaudio's and don't seem to help.
[15:29] <rvalles> soundtracker (sample editor -> monitor) and audacity just crash or are really slow to start capturing (and seem to capture nothing anyways) when I try to do so.
[15:29] <palma> can anyone help me get my laptop resolution working properly - I imaging it will mean editing my xorg.conf file, but the one I have is completely different to the ones that ive seen before...
[15:29] <crimsun> rvalles: did 3stack work in gutsy?
[15:30] <rvalles> crimsun: this is a clean hardy; I never got to try 3stack on gutsy... alsamixer showed mixers there, at least, but they weren't be useful.
[15:30] <rvalles> s/be//g
[15:30] <crimsun> rvalles: ok, good.  Your hardware info isn't in the source code at all, which means it's no surprise that it doesn't work.
[15:31] <rvalles> it's an alc861, iirc
[15:31] <Jack_Sparrow> !find alsa
[15:31] <crimsun> rvalles: not just that, but it's a newer revision of the ALC861.
[15:31] <ubotu> Found: alsa-base, alsa-utils, gstreamer0.10-alsa, libesd-alsa0, libpt-1.10.10-plugins-alsa (and 38 others)
[15:31] <palma> if anyone is interested they can see my xorg.conf here: http://pastebin.com/f6dbc567a
[15:32] <rvalles> crimsun: I tried 3stack because that was also alc861... no luck I guess
[15:33] <rvalles> (without 3stack or anything) I at least got to see mixers (even if I couldn't manage to capture from mic) in hardy.
[15:33] <NET||abuse> If i wanted to image a vista drive from botting up a livecd, what tool can I use to do the imaging?
[15:34] <NET||abuse> i don't want to do a raw read of the whole drive, just the used parts
[15:34] <crimsun> rvalles: 3stack is not a close match for your pin configuration
[15:34] <rvalles> ok
[15:34] <rvalles> anyways, is there anything I can try to do?
[15:34] <crimsun> sure, if you're comfortable reading data sheets and programming
[15:34] <rvalles> laptop is an (already 2yr old or so) fujitsu-siemens amilo pa1510.
[15:34] <rvalles> ouch.
[15:35] <crimsun> this site is so slow; it's taking forever to pull the data sheet.
[15:35] <Laizerox> hallo... simple answer to simple question required :) do i need to install release over beta on hardy if i install beta now?
[15:36] <fluteflute> Laizerok: if you keep updating you will end up with hardy final
[15:36] <crimsun> Laizerox: no, you can use update-manager.
[15:36] <crimsun> or aptitude/apt-get/dselect/synaptic/adept/whatever
[15:36] <NET||abuse> So anyone know what utility I should use to image a vista drive from an ubntu livecd?
[15:36] <Laizerox> thank anyway then i go dl an burn :)
[15:37] <protonchris> Laizerox: keep in mind that it is a beta.  don't expect everything to be perfect.
[15:37] <yacc> Stupid question: How do I turn on "nodeadkeys" with a graphical tool in Ubuntu?
[15:37] <Laizerox> protonchris i know what is beta :)
[15:37] <Lynoure> NET||abuse: there is almost too many to choose from... What's your end goal for the image?
[15:37] <Laizerox> i just never had to update ubuntu version itself :)
[15:38] <protonchris> Laizerox: you would be surprised by the number of people who expect it to work perfectly.
[15:38] <Laizerox> protonchris i don't expect ;)
[15:38] <protonchris> Laizerox: wise
[15:38] <Laizerox> just to help some debbugin :P
[15:38] <NET||abuse> Lynoure, just that the used 40GB of the 120GB partition is the sole content of the img file
[15:39] <NET||abuse> Lynoure, so, a simple way, the simpler to do the better
[15:41] <Laizerox> :D one problem i forgot which one i did install :D
[15:41] <Laizerox> guees not x64
[15:46] <wjlroe> Hi - after upgrading to Hardy, the at daemon fails to start, in syslog is this 'atd[9203]: Cannot change to /var/spool/cron/atjobs: Permission denied' - so the post-install script for at fails
[15:48] <Sergeant_Pony> morning
[15:48] <palma> Does anyone know how to get my laptop to display a widescreen resolution?
[15:49] <rvalles> crimsun: ftp://202.65.194.212/pc/audio/realtek-linux-audiopack-5.01.tar.bz2
[15:49] <genie> Hello all
[15:49] <Lynoure> NET||abuse: what filesystem is Vista? NTFS? ntfsclone might be the best, then...
[15:49] <palma> vista is ntfs
[15:49] <rvalles> crimsun: I'm getting that (linked from their alc861 pages) tho I have no idea what it is or if it'll be of any use
[15:50] <crimsun> rvalles: it won't, I've already looked.
[15:50] <rvalles> ok
[15:50] <crimsun> rvalles: we need to create a new stanza for your hardware.
[15:50] <crimsun> (joy)
[15:50] <yacc> nodeadkeys, anyone?
[15:50] <genie> I just fix a new monitor to my PC and it's all Icons and tool bars shown too big
[15:50] <crimsun> yacc: a gui method?  In what env?
[15:50] <genie> how to fix this in 8.4?
[15:51] <crimsun> yacc: (if you /really/ don't want to use setxkbmap, that is)
[15:52] <protonchris> genie: is the resolution correct?
[15:52] <yacc> crimsun: found it. Adding a new keyboard layout and removing the default one wasn't that intuitive to me ;)
[15:52] <genie> it was ok with old monitor
[15:52] <genie> but now when I change the monitor was not correct
[15:53] <yacc> crimsun: I most certainly can do it the old way, but I'm trying to be a good user, not fooling around with all kinds of settings manually ;)
[15:53] <Sergeant_Pony> cool, that last set of updates fixed all my issues :)
[15:53] <protonchris> genie: did you try System>Preferences>Screen Resolution ?
[15:53] <palma> i cant get my laptop screen to show the correct resolution...
[15:53] <genie> and I cannot find the correct regulation when i open it from System/Administration/Screen Resolution
[15:53] <genie> protonchris, yes I did
[15:55] <genie> protonchris, I checked xorg.conf under /etc/X11 I cannot find resolution  under the file
[15:55] <genie> protonchris, is 8.4 use different way now? for X11?
[15:55] <rvalles> crimsun: that tarball readme lists ALC861 an ALC861VD as supported... if mine isn't one of those, what do I have?
[15:56] <protonchris> genie: yes, it is different.  xorg.con is only used to override the detected settings.
[15:57] <genie> protonchris, how to fix it now?
[15:57] <crimsun> rvalles: not at all models of the 861 are supported.
[15:57] <crimsun> s/at//g
[15:57] <protonchris> genie: well, if you know the resolution that you want.  you could add it to the xorg.conf
[15:58] <crimsun> rvalles: your specific SSID isn't, for instance.
[15:58] <rvalles> crimsun: ok
[15:58] <genie> protonchris, what is the format?
[15:58] <crimsun> back in a bit
[15:58] <rvalles> crimsun: btw, I take you're a devel in alsa :?
[15:58] <rvalles> ok
[15:59] <genie> protonchris, and there is no new way to detect the resolution?
[15:59] <protonchris> genie: take a look at http://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.8.0/doc/xorg.conf.5.html
[16:00] <protonchris> genie: you could try running the xrandr command from a terminal.
[16:00] <tacone> has anyone experienced complete freezes ? (power key shutdown required)
[16:01] <lamalex> Does anyone know if Synaptic has an API or anything? I know this isn't the right Channel but I'm not sure which one I would ask in
[16:01] <genie> protonchris, xrandr
[16:01] <genie> protonchris, I will try it now
[16:02] <palma> xrandr doesnt give me the correct results - tells me the max res my widescreen can handle is 800x600...
[16:04] <genie> protonchris, it's show only 320x240 and 640x480
[16:04] <protonchris> genie: hmm, not sure.  hang around.  someone else might know.
[16:05] <genie> protonchris, thank for your help
[16:05] <protonchris> genie: sorry, I wasn't much help.  manually setting the resolution in xorg.conf might work.
[16:05] <protonchris> genie: that is what I would try.
[16:06] <martalli> lamalex: Synaptic is gtk (#ubuntu) but also is essentially just a front end for apt-get and dpkg
[16:06] <genie> protonchris, thanks but I need to know the new way
[16:06] <martalli> lamalex: woops - thought I was in #kubuntu lol
[16:06] <lamalex> martalli: haha :)
[16:07] <lamalex> the 2nd half was still valid
[16:07] <lamalex> yeah, I know it's just a front end but i was hoping it would have an easy api so I could do more complex stuff without having to reinvent the wheel
[16:07] <genie> hello all, to to correct screen resolution in 8.4? xrandr can detect only 320x240 and 640x480 :(
[16:08] <genie> how can I fix it?
[16:10] <palma> you're not alone - xrandr only tells me 640x480 and 800x600 and i have a widescreen...
[16:11] <Davo_Dinkum> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#head-67666d36d8817d73fd99580965c3d11c865a8bc1 how do i do step 1?
[16:11] <Davo_Dinkum> edit xorg.conf?
[16:12] <genie> Davo_Dinkum, but xorg.conf not used now in 8.4
[16:12] <Davo_Dinkum> really? then what does it use?
[16:13] <Davo_Dinkum> so how do i enable the software channel?
[16:13] <protonchris> Davo_Dinkum: look under System>Administration>Software Sources
[16:14] <protonchris> Davo_Dinkum: xorg.conf is not used for this.
[16:14] <Davo_Dinkum> ok
[16:14] <Malic> is it safe to upgrade to hardy?
[16:14] <Davo_Dinkum> oh it's Software Propeties
[16:14] <Malic> or should i better wait?
[16:15] <protonchris> Davo_Dinkum: ooh, yeah it might be.  I am not sure what it is called in dapper
[16:15] <Davo_Dinkum> yeah it is. seems the name was changed for some reason
[16:15] <protonchris> Malic: it is currently beta.  So things will probably be broken.  If you are comfortable with fixing things and submitting bugs, then go for it.
[16:15] <theunixgeek> I accidentally deleted my Wine menu (Ubuntu) and I'm trying to get it back with wine /usr/lib/wine/winemenubuilder.exe.so but nothing's happening.
[16:18] <genie> hello all, any body know how to fix 8.4 resolution ? I just change my monitor and lost my good resolution
[16:18] <Davo_Dinkum> ok that didnt work. i ticked all the boxes
[16:19] <protonchris> Davo_Dinkum: ok.  What happened?
[16:20] <Davo_Dinkum> nothing. i ran update manager -d and i dont get an offer to upgrade to hardy
[16:20] <Davo_Dinkum> gksu "update-manager -d" rather
[16:22] <Davo_Dinkum> any ideas?
[16:23] <protonchris> Davo_Dinkum: when you hit the check button, where there any updates at all?
[16:23] <TwoD> KenSentMe, still there? You said earlier that reinstalling flashplugin-nonfree worked. I just tried that, but youtube still tells me to download the plugin...
[16:23] <Davo_Dinkum> 307 updates. im slowly thinking that i need to install these updates first...
[16:24] <protonchris> Davo_Dinkum: yes, you probably do.
[16:24] <Davo_Dinkum> bah
[16:24] <Davo_Dinkum> ok
[16:24] <protonchris> Davo_Dinkum: keep in mind that hardy is beta and you are bound to run into problems.
[16:24] <tech0007> not much updates today?
[16:25] <Davo_Dinkum> of course. im only doing this for testing purposes
[16:25] <dotech> scrollkeeper-update 100% cpu
[16:25] <dotech> whats up with that?
[16:25] <protonchris> tech0007: weekend
[16:25] <tech0007> protonchris: ok, did apt-get clean a few minutes ago
[16:26] <tech0007> anyone use wondershaper?
[16:28] <TwoD> Anyone who knows what to do about a damaged hdd? I don't know how serious it is, but here's the log of smartctl -a http://pastebin.com/d53a3f756
[16:29] <tech0007> TwoD: chk w/ ur pc vendor if its under warranty
[16:29] <TwoD> Well... that won't help much if I can't read the data on it...
[16:32] <palma> does anyone know how i can get my laptop to use a widescreen resolution?
[16:33] <Davo_Dinkum> does the video card support it?
[16:33] <palma> my video card is a nvidia 9500 and i can get a widescreen resolution under windows
[16:34] <derspankster> palma: what is the native resolution of your laptop?
[16:34] <palma> 1280*800
[16:34] <dotech> palma: have you tried System->Preferences->Screen Resolution?
[16:34] <derspankster> palma: same as mine, ditto to what dotech said
[16:35] <palma> yes - all it lists is 800x600 and 640x480
[16:35] <david> palma: then you need to edit your settings
[16:35] <derspankster> palma: you'll need to reconfigure xserver
[16:35] <david> google for wrong resolution etc
[16:35] <palma> and when i try to manually change the monitor type and res it ends up resetting itself
[16:35] <sawyer_> hey everyone
[16:36] <dotech> palma: what graphics driver are you using? does it support higher than 800x600?
[16:36] <sawyer_> i have problem with hard heron while trying to install an nvidia 8600GT graphics card
[16:36] <palma> i tried manually specifing the settings in xorg.conf but that didnt work
[16:36] <david> palma: you're going to have to manually edit vertical and horizontal values etc
[16:36] <sawyer_> i wanted to remove the nvidia completely but when i want to remove nvidia-kernel-common, it wants to remove my linux
[16:36] <palma> im just using the standard free nvidia driver nv
[16:37] <sawyer_> when i load the ubuntu with the new DVI, it crashes the kernel several times before even loading xorg
[16:37] <palma> cant use the official nvidia driver since they havent even release one for windows yet
[16:37] <derspankster> palma: you cannot run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[16:38] <palma> already tried that - just give me the exact same xorg.conf i already have
[16:38] <palma> tried everything i could find using google...
[16:38] <Davo_Dinkum> did you restart xorg?
[16:38] <derspankster> palma: did you try to make changes?
[16:39] <sawyer_> nvidia is evil. why can't i remove it completely? :(
[16:39] <TwoD> derspankster, what exactly does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg do? Every time I've been asked to run that, it has erased everything I've worked so hard to get right in xorg.conf and replaced it with some standard garbage which makes my screens unusable... :(
[16:39] <palma> i did restart xorg after each change i tried to make
[16:39] <dotech> what sources repository do you use to get dbgsym packages?
[16:39] <Davo_Dinkum> you should make backups TwoD
[16:40] <palma> i even went as far as manually editing my xorg.conf
[16:40] <dotech> i found this from a 2006 letter: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs edgy main universe
[16:40] <TwoD> Davo_Dinkum, of course I have backups, and I have to use them each time dpkg-something's been run...
[16:40] <Davo_Dinkum> nod
[16:41] <dotech> looks like pkg-create-dbgsym is all i need
[16:41] <derspankster> TwoD: you can modify xserver settings by running it, resoltion, keyboard, mice, etc.
[16:41] <sawyer_> sorry for bugging, but can anyone tell me why aptitude/apt-get wants to remove linux when i want to remove the nvidia kernel?
[16:41] <sawyer_> :(
[16:42] <TwoD> derspankster, I know that, but what I meant was that what does it do to get everything wrong? lol
[16:43] <derspankster>  TwoD: I've not had that issue but then again I've not run it in Hardy Beta since I did an upgrade from Gutsy on this laptop.
[16:44] <dotech> there is no hardy-updates, hardy-proposed, hardy-security yet, correct?
[16:44] <dotech> s/is/are
[16:47] <TwoD> I've not dared run it in Hardy. When I upgraded from Gutsy it cleared my xorg.conf, and reinstalled my gfx drivers and whatnot. Took me a while to get the drivers back in and then I just replaced xorg.conf with the backup I know works for my dual monitor setup. So far I've had no use for the "improved dual monitor support" as it doesn't even detect my screens, let alone allow me to use anything other than "clone" on a single resolution.
[16:47] <TwoD> Reinstalled nvidia's utility, which was removed in upgrade, which is the only way for me to configure both my monitors..
[16:48] <dotech> i run 3 monitors in hardy with 2 7600gt nvidia cards
[16:49] <dotech> i'm still using xinerama though, i need to switch to RandR if it supports 3 monitors
[16:50] <TwoD> I've got a 7800gtx, the "monitor resolution settings" window just shows me a single screen at 3200x1200, clone is ticked, "Detect displays" doesn't do anything... I would LOVE getting monitor rotation to work on my 24"... would like to use it when coding...
[16:50] <dotech> TwoD: my center monitor is rotated
[16:51] <dotech> the 2 on the sides are 1680x1050, center is 1050x1680
[16:51] <TwoD> Did Gutsy detect those monitors on install?
[16:51] <dotech> no
[16:51] <TwoD> Hardy?
[16:51] <dotech> neither did Hardy, i am running that now
[16:51] <david> dotech: awesome :)
[16:51] <TwoD> ok, same here
[16:51] <dotech> I had to install nvidia-settings and then tweak the xorg.conf a bit afterwards
[16:51] <dotech> but it works
[16:52] <TwoD> Same here. But I can't rotate screens in there, can I?
[16:52] <dotech> yes you can
[16:52] <palma> wouldnt know what to do with 3 monitors...
[16:52] <dotech> do you have Xinerama on or off?
[16:52] <dotech> i know how to do it with Xinerama, not sure how it works with RandR yet
[16:52] <palma> anyway i still have to get the first one working properly....
[16:53] <dotech> palma it sounds like your graphics driver doesn't support higher than that
[16:53] <TwoD> No
[16:53] <TwoD> It's "0" in xorg.conf I mean...
[16:53] <palma> i use the nv drive on my desktop and that runs at 1280*1024
[16:54] <dotech> TwoD: hmm, i'd have to learn how to do it with RandR then, i got it working with Xinerama and haven't tried RandR yet
[16:54] <TwoD> is it Xinerama which forces you to run separate x instances?
[16:54] <dotech> TwoD: it was as simple as adding this line under the Device section bound to my center screen, Option "Rotate" "left"
[16:55] <dotech> TwoD: yea Xinerama are separate X instances, i do have them all shared as 1 desktop in GNOME though
[16:55] <TwoD> Oh, I might try that. But I'd really like to be able to rotate it without having to modify xorg.conf as I don't want to restart between watching movies and coding..
[16:55] <dotech> and i can drag windows across them like normal
[16:56] <TwoD> How do you do that??
[16:56] <dotech> i had to edit xorg.conf to get the rotate
[16:56] <dotech> but that was a simple change
[16:56] <TwoD> not rotate, shared desktop I mean
[16:56] <dotech> ah, Xinerama does it automatically
[16:57] <dotech> it lets GNOME work with the multiple X screens as if they were 1 big one
[16:57] <TwoD> Last time I tried that I couldn't move windows across screens, and all panels were cpied..
[16:57] <dotech> thats what happened when i tried "separate X" without Xinerama
[16:57] <TwoD> I'm using TwinView to do that now.
[16:57] <dotech> yea twinview worked for 2 of my monitors, then teh third had its own desktop
[16:58] <TwoD> Where did you find the options to do that?
[16:58] <dotech> so i ended up turning on xinerama which created the single desktop across all 3
[16:58] <dotech> TwoD: do you have "nvidia-settings" ?
[16:58] <TwoD> Yes
[16:58] <dotech> in there i just set up 3 separate displays with Xinerama on
[16:58] <dotech> then tweaked xorg.conf slightly
[16:59] <dotech> nvidia-settings handled setting all the resolutions and devices up properly
[16:59] <TwoD> I've only got 1 screen thater now
[16:59] <TwoD> *there
[16:59] <dotech> in xorg.conf i slightly modified the position of one of the screens and rotate
[16:59] <dotech> you have to click the "write xorg" button
[17:00] <dotech> also you have to run the app using sudo so it can write to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:01] <dotech> in the "X Server Display Configuration" tab i have "Enable Xinerama" checked, and each screen configured as "Separate X screen" 1680x1050 Auto on all of them
[17:01] <dotech> after that you can edit xorg.conf to rotate them
[17:01] <TwoD> I don't have "Enable Xinerama"
[17:01] <dotech> you don't have that option below the Layout window?
[17:02] <Ratshell> Howdy everyone, how are you all doing today?
[17:02] <TwoD> No, I think I had it in earlier versions tho. There's the "Configure" button which pops up a window with three choices. "Disabled, Separate X Screen (requires X restart), TwinView"
[17:02] <TwoD> TwinView being checked...
[17:02] <dotech> interesting, just above the "Display" and "X Screen" tabs I have Enable Xinerama
[17:03] <TwoD> Nothing here
[17:03] <Ratshell> TwoD your trying to enable Xinerama I take it?
[17:03] <dotech> TwoD: do you still have Xinerama installed?
[17:03] <TwoD> Ratshell, yes, with sharing a single desktop.
[17:03] <TwoD> Does upgrading to Hardy remove it?
[17:04] <Ratshell> TwoD, not sure how you are with editing xorg.conf, but thats how I did it using this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773624
[17:04] <dotech> TwoD: i think i had it by default, but i didn't do an upgrade
[17:04] <dotech> libxinerama1 is what you would need, check that you still have it
[17:05] <dotech> Ratshell: have you tried using RandR?
[17:05] <TwoD> dotech, It's already the latest version
[17:06] <dotech> TwoD: strange that the nvidia-settings doesn't give you that option, maybe its because you enabled twinview?
[17:06] <TwoD> WHat's the diff between TwinView and Xinerama? Why even have two choises in the first place if one doesn't work?
[17:07] <dotech> TwoD: yea thats what causes it
[17:07] <TwoD> Well... TwinView does work, just not as good as it could..
[17:07] <dotech> TwoD: i just tried making 2 of my displays twinview and the third disabled, xinerama option goes away
[17:07] <TwoD> Ok, so I should go with "Separate X screens" instead?
[17:08] <dotech> TwoD: twinview technically is better if you only have 2 displays in the same orientation, it allows the GPU to drive a single 3d buffer across both displays
[17:08] <Ratshell> dotech, umm i have no idea what RandR is, but I don't have two displays anymore.
[17:08] <dotech> TwoD: assuming you want high performance from games
[17:08] <dotech> Ratshell: it's the successor to Xinerama
[17:08] <TwoD> Yes, but I'd never need two displays for games as that's just... incredibly annoying?
[17:08] <dotech> allows dynamic changes to the X server such as resolutions
[17:08] <dotech> without restarting X
[17:09] <TwoD> ok
[17:09] <dotech> TwoD: i know xinerama will do what you want, i'm pretty sure RandR will too
[17:09] <dotech> but you can start with Xinerama since I know how to get it working
[17:10] <TwoD> Well, I've got TwinView working, cept for rotation (and dynamically changing resolutions simply craps up everything when resolution is changed by say a game...)
[17:10] <spiderfire> hello
[17:10] <TwoD> I can live with it for now, I'm running HDD Smart diagnostics so I really don't want to reboot now..
[17:10] <dotech> TwoD: if you want to try to get RandR working that will fix your resolution changing problems and rotation
[17:11] <spiderfire> how come you dont have to defrag in linux?
[17:11] <dotech> i have no idea how though :)
[17:11] <TwoD> how does RandR relate to Xinerama and TwinView?
[17:11] <dotech> RandR is the successor to Xinerama, allows a single desktop and dynamic changes to the X server
[17:11] <dotech> rotation, resolution, you name it
[17:12] <TwoD> spiderfire, http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/index.php/2006/08/17/why_doesn_t_linux_need_defragmenting
[17:12] <cyclonut> RandR kinda rocks
[17:12] <dotech> the only downside to RandR that i found out is that it doesn't seem to handle 3 monitors yet
[17:12] <TwoD> dotech, I though that was TwinView? There are two successors?
[17:12] <dotech> TwoD: twinview is a proprietary nvidia thing
[17:12] <TwoD> great...
[17:12] <dotech> it tricks the x server into thinking you have 1 larger display
[17:12] <TwoD> So much I've understood yes
[17:13] <dotech> so Xinerama is the tried and true, albeit a bit outdated because it doesn't allow dynamic changes which most laptops require (projectors, etc)
[17:13] <hubuntu> Is there an entry/profile for ebox automated installation in Hardy as there is one for LAMP in Gutsy?
[17:14] <hubuntu> at the server install
[17:14] <hubuntu> ?
[17:14] <palma> got my resolution working
[17:14] <dotech> palma: what was wrong?
[17:14] <TwoD> And you can use virtual resolutions so when the x server says "800x600" you actually disable say your left monitor (which is widescreen) and only use the right one which is 4:3, but at 3200x1200 you stretch the desktop across both...
[17:14] <palma> just had to install and run the nvidia-xconfig tool
[17:14] <TwoD> ^My understanding of TwinView
[17:15] <dotech> palma: ah so it was the driver?
[17:15] <Ratshell> palma, what kind of graphics card you got?
[17:15] <hubuntu> anyone teste ubuntu hardy server beta
[17:15] <palma> 512 nvidia 9500
[17:15] <hubuntu> ?
[17:15] <TwoD> hubuntu, I'm on it now..
[17:15] <tomd123> if I find something strange in firefox, should I report it here or to #firefox?
[17:15] <dotech> TwoD: twinview is really only necessary if you need high performance for a single application spanning across your displays
[17:15] <TwoD> no wait, you said server...
[17:16] <tomd123> actually nvm :P, this is totally unrelated to ubuntu
[17:16] <Ratshell> who here is running compiz-fusion in Ubuntu Hardy Heron?
[17:16] <palma> i think that the problem was the driver wasnt configured correctly
[17:16] <TwoD> dotech, ok, but it was the only thing I got working without separate instances of X before..
[17:16] <TwoD> Ratshell, I am
[17:16] <tomd123> Ratshell: I did, I turned it off though
[17:16] <dotech> TwoD: yea, its easy to get it going, i guess it has that going for it too haha
[17:16] <Ratshell> tom123, why did you turn it off?
[17:16] <Ratshell> TwoD, you like it?
[17:16] <palma> now i need to fix my trackpad up - the scrolling on it doesnt work now and it did before
[17:17] <tomd123> Ratshell: it slowed my computer down, I have a laptop w/ shared memory though :(, that might explain the slowing down part
[17:17] <TwoD> Ratshell, what I like most of it is that I don't notice it, most of it feels very natural when comparing to the same features in Vista
[17:17] <palma> ill see if i can find what section of the old xorg.conf it was in and see if i can convince it to work again...
[17:17] <david> wth. network icon in tray is gone on wife's computer?
[17:18] <Ratshell> TwoD, same here I like the 3d cube part, the negative and the zoom, the rest is just a bonus, but i did turn off the wobbly windows those things got on my nerves
[17:18] <Ratshell> tomd123, umm you might just wanna tweak with the settings, cause it shouldn't slow you down that much by default compiz-fusion seems to slow my system down to till i got in there and disabled random stuff that i didn't need running
[17:18] <TwoD> Ratshell, Love the Alt+Tab extras and the miniature versions of your app in the taskbar. Not to mention the "zoom out overview" of your desktops with Win+E
[17:19] <Ratshell> TwoD, oh yeah expose :) thats cool
[17:19] <david> and for some reason nm-applet won't start...?
[17:19] <TwoD> Ratshell, wobbly windows should be banned lol
[17:19] <Ratshell> Whats up with that mouse pointer button thing windows key + k, lol that would get on my nerves
[17:19] <dotech> i have a 12 sided cube ;)
[17:19] <tomd123> Ratshell: I don't really like the fancy graphics, I'm the kind of guy that loves enlightenment, the wm :P
[17:20] <dotech> i just want a responsive and predictable UI, thats all i ask for
[17:20] <Ratshell> tom123, ahh nice nice, i am not big on the fancy either i just like a little bling here and there and my eyes are getting old so this zoom feature helps, and negative helps when i have a headache :)
[17:20] <dotech> not one that ignores 20% of my clicks for no apparent reason
[17:20] <TwoD> Ratshell, got nothing on Win+K, I'm using only parts of the features, the one that actually help working with the desktop. Not the crap like raindrops or drawing fire lol
[17:20] <TwoD> 12 sided cube?? now there's a logic nut to crack...
[17:20] <dotech> haha
[17:20] <tomd123> Ratshell: I will turn on the graphics once in a while when people use it :P to impress
[17:20] <dotech> its a hypercube
[17:21] <Ratshell> TwoD, if you go to the advanced desktop settings and enable show mouse then hit super + k, you will see what i am talking about
[17:21] <Ratshell> tom123, if you can't impress your friends with linux you got some weird friends :)
[17:21] <TwoD> 4 dimensions on your desktop? That's pretty cool lol
[17:21] <dotech> lol
[17:21] <TwoD> brb
[17:21] <tomd123> Ratshell: no, they just like shiny things
[17:21] <Ratshell> tom123, kind of like a crow is attracted to shiny metallic objects ;0
[17:22] <Ratshell> lol
[17:22] <dotech> fish do that too
[17:22] <Ratshell> my fish is attracted to its own reflection in the tank cause it just sits there and stares at it for hours
[17:23] <Ratshell> oh yeah, who in here is KDE and whose in Gnome or whose in another window manager?
[17:23] <dotech> it needs a little compiz
[17:23] <tomd123> Ratshell: atm, gnome
[17:23] <Ratshell> tom123, which you prefer gnome or kde?
[17:23] <Ratshell> or other
[17:24] <tomd123> e16 is my preference
[17:24] <KrimZon> is it normal that update manager can't authenticate any of the updates for me right now?
[17:25] <Ratshell> KrimZon, depends where are the updates coming from is they coming from ubuntu repositories, or coming from sources your have added?
[17:26] <KrimZon> they should all be ubuntu repository ones
[17:26] <Ratshell> Does it give you a specific error like could you paste what it says in here
[17:26] <sailaway85> for all who helped me thanks ... my ati is 3d now... this better than sex... my exwife is bill gates
[17:26] <KrimZon> amarok, anjuta, apt, libgnomeui-0 etc..
[17:26] <Ratshell> sailaway85, that isn't right but okay
[17:27] <Ratshell> KrimZon, i mean the part after that where it says something about not authenticating
[17:27] <KrimZon> when i start update manager it says "Not all updates can be installed" "Run a partial upgrade to install as many updates as possible."
[17:27] <dotech> KrimZon: that happens occasionally
[17:27] <hubuntu> so nobody tested ubuntu server and/or ebox on hardy here?
[17:28] <Ratshell> hubuntu, what is ebox?
[17:28] <KrimZon> weird... this time it didnt complain
[17:28] <hubuntu> is a web interface to manage your server
[17:28] <tomd123> KrimZon: oh, you mean distribution upgrade, ya, that's what I got too when I installed a fresh copy yesterday, I just did it and everything worked
[17:28] <hubuntu> a la webmin, but better and dpkg integrateable
[17:28] <Ratshell> KrimZon, you can just try restarting the computer update again or just keep retrying the upgrade
[17:29] <KrimZon> it's just started
[17:29] <hubuntu> I am just wondering if it has become one of the choices for an automated server installation or not
[17:29] <KrimZon> it always waits until you complain before fixing itself magically
[17:29] <hubuntu> (like LAMP, OpenSSH, DNS, etc.. already are)
[17:29] <dotech> does RandR only support up to 2 displays?
[17:30] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone using gnome-rdp?
[17:30] <Ratshell> Not me sergeant, what is gnome-rdp?
[17:30] <Ratshell> remote desktop client for gnome, nope i still haven't used it
[17:30] <Sergeant_Pony> it connects to another computer via ssh, rdp or vnc
[17:31] <tomd123> does the alternate cd contain a base installation, w/o gnome?
[17:31] <hubuntu> tsclient like?
[17:31] <Sergeant_Pony> vcn isn't working for some reason
[17:31] <Ratshell> tomd123, if your wanting to be like very basic, install the server that installs just the basic and you can build up gnome or whatever you want on it from there.
[17:31] <hubuntu> tomd123: yeah, you may use the server install as well to get a base system install..
[17:32] <tomd123> k, thanks, I'll do that once the final version comes out
[17:32] <Ratshell> which according to the website is in 11 days
[17:32] <godfool> fron
[17:33] <scheuri> hi all
[17:33] <Ratshell> hi scheuri
[17:34] <scheuri> Is there a way to find out which packages are in universe, multiverse and partner repos without using aptitude? like using packages.ubuntu.com?
[17:35] <scheuri> I am looking for vmare in hardy actually
[17:35] <scheuri> vmware
[17:36] <bardyr> scheuri, vmware server is in the partner respo
[17:36] <Nwallins> Hi, I am having sound issues.  I have a Tyan K8SRE (S2891) server mobo with no onboard sound.  I do have USB speakers
[17:36] <scheuri> bardyr: ah, great...thanks...
[17:36] <Nwallins> the usb audio is recognized, and i have system  sounds
[17:36] <Ratshell> sheuri, have you tryed virtualbox, i prefer it more with ubuntu cause it has the seamless feature
[17:36] <Nwallins> but alsa will not load
[17:36] <jimmygoon_> Ubuntu crashes hard every time I open totem wtih compiz running
[17:36] <Nwallins> sorry, alsamixer
[17:37] <godfool> Nwallins: im a smart bot
[17:37] <scheuri> Ratshell: I have not yet...still using vmware for VPN to the office (unfortunately there is not linux client...:(
[17:37] <Nwallins> godfool: excellent
[17:37] <bardyr> Ratshell, you should checkout vmware workstation beta, it has wobbly guest windows
[17:37] <scheuri> Ratshell: but I will look into XEN, qemu and virtualbox once I have the time....
[17:37] <godfool> Nwallins: . .  The salesman put down the line moves and a display of traditional hand-woven Afghan rugs: It's all hazy, that nig ht; I was asking for the Worlds' Fair, a decade
[17:37] <scheuri> Ratshell: but may I bother you with a question concering virtualbox?
[17:37] <Ratshell> bardyr, i have tryed vmware workstation beta, it was so buggy over here
[17:37] <Ratshell> scheuri, sure shoot
[17:38] <Nwallins> when I run alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[17:38] <bardyr> Ragnarel, kk, just saw the new unity features and is hyped about it
[17:38] <Nwallins> it seems that much of the sound software assumes i have a "sound card"
[17:38] <Ratshell> nwallins, did you try reinstall alsamixer and alsa?
[17:38] <Nwallins> when all i have is some speakers plugged into usb
[17:38] <Nwallins> i tried dpkg-reconfigure alsa
[17:38] <Nwallins> no alsa package
[17:38] <Ratshell> nwallins, try sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa alsamixer
[17:38] <scheuri> Ratshell: in vmware I have the option to use "brigded" network IF made by vmware which will use the real IF choosen by me...so the VM has its own internet access and gets its own IP (rather than NAT and stuff)...is that possible with vritualbox too?
[17:39] <angel_> i want help
[17:39] <Nwallins> Ratshell: i don't think there is an alsa package
[17:39] <Ratshell> Scheuri, yes in virtualbox it gets its own ip like 10 something i think
[17:39] <Ratshell> nwallins, try sudo apt-get install alsa, i am almost certain there is a form of alsa package i will look
[17:39] <Nwallins> Ratshell: AMD64, hardy beta desktop, btw.  apt-cache search alsa doesn't show it
[17:40] <Ratshell> angel_ just ask your question and we might be able to help
[17:40] <Nwallins> Ratshell: ok, alsa-base  :)
[17:40] <scheuri> Ratshell: ah, great...thanks...once my gutsy is upgraded (its in process ;)) I will try that....but I guess I have to make a new VM and can not use the Vmware-VM-File, right?
[17:40] <Ratshell> scheuri, i don't think you can i haven't had any luck getting a vmware file to load in virtual box now I could be wrong.
[17:41] <scheuri> Ratshell: well, would have been too nice...;)....but that should not be a problem anyway...thanks for the tip!
[17:41] <Ratshell> scheuri, something I have noticed which you will when you go to install xp in virtual box it installs a lot faster then it did in vmware, thats what I saw the speed is better in it to
[17:41] <Nwallins> Ratshell: no alsamixer package, but reinstalled alsa-base.  alsamixer bombs (immediately) on the same error
[17:41] <Nwallins> try a restart?
[17:42] <Ratshell> Nwallins, yes try restarting, what usb speakers you have btw?
[17:42] <slanning> I get this: "dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so/xlibmesa by nvidia-glx-dev' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx-new-dev'" but I've removed nvidia-glx-new-dev
[17:42] <Nwallins> altec
[17:42] <scheuri> Ratshell: ah? great...well I am always happy about peformance boosts...however I was already quite glad about the performance in Vmware...
[17:42] <Ratshell> okay yeah nwallins try a restart
[17:42] <Ratshell> scheuri, just wait and try virtual box see if you see a improvement in speed
[17:42] <Nwallins> Altec Lansing XT1
[17:42] <Ratshell> slanning, you get that on what?
[17:42] <scheuri> Ratshell:  I will do so...
[17:42] <Nwallins> brb :)
[17:43] <TwoD> Anyone who knows how to use mcelog?
[17:43] <slanning> apt-get install nvidia-glx-dev (unpacking nvidia-glx-dev)
[17:43] <dotech> The Composite extension is not available
[17:43] <Ratshell> slanning, you run sudo before the apt-get right
[17:43] <slanning> yes, I am root
[17:44] <Ratshell> slanning, try sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx-dev && sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-dev
[17:44] <Ratshell> dotech, are you trying to get compiz fusion working or something?
[17:44] <dotech> Ratshell: yea, it seems to be broken now
[17:44] <slanning> yes, I tried that - that's how I got to this, I guess
[17:45] <dotech> Ratshell: not sure what changed since i originally ran it, apparently something did
[17:45] <Ratshell> dotech, are you trying to run the command compiz from the terminal?
[17:45] <slanning> how do I make it not believe that nvidia-glx-new-dev is diverting something
[17:45] <dotech> Ratshell: i'm using the System->Preferences->Appearance menu
[17:45] <scheuri> Ratshell: did you use the gutssy repos-entry in sourceslist for virtualbox?
[17:45] <slanning> I tried it again, but it's the same result
[17:45] <Ratshell> slanning, ummm have you tried just going and getting the driver from nvidia.com
[17:45] <dotech> Ratshell: Visual Effects tab in that window
[17:46] <Ratshell> scheuri, umm i did and then virtual box broke after upgrade so I reinstall using umm let me check i will see what my virtual box repo is
[17:46] <scheuri> ratshell thanks a lot
[17:46] <Ratshell> dotech, are you clicking extra in there?
[17:46] <dotech> Ratshell: yea i tried the bottom 2
[17:46] <Nwallins> Ratshell: same -- alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[17:46] <alastair_> I dunno if this is a bug in the beta or if i'm doing something wrong but if I set a background using gconftool-2 -t string -s /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename "foo" it doesn't actually load the picture, so I just get a solid-colour background
[17:47] <alastair_> er apologies for lack of quotes around that command
[17:47] <Ratshell> scheuri, # deb http://www.virtualbox.org/debian gutsy non-free
[17:47] <Ratshell>  <- thats the source but wait to install it till after the upgrade, because after the upgrade i had to reinstall it to get it to work again
[17:47] <Nwallins> part of alsa-utils package
[17:47] <dotech> alastair_: try System->Preferences->Appearance->Background
[17:47] <slanning> I'd prefer to get the state of the packages fixed than add more hacking by manually installing a driver
[17:47] <TwoD> smartctl reports some read errors on two of my disks, but I think they've been there long, even since I ran Win XP long ago... but does anyone know if they could cause kernel panics?
[17:47] <scheuri> Ratshell: sure thing...thanks a lot
[17:47] <alastair_> dotech: I've written a script to randomise it
[17:47] <TwoD> they are nfts disks, in case that matters
[17:47] <sgtkwol> I have an issue where my laptop randomly freezes up, but if I have the update manager open, it does not seem to freeze
[17:47] <Ratshell> alastair, have you tryed just right click desktop change desktop background and setting on that way?
[17:48] <alastair_> dotech: the same images work if I use the GUI, but in that instance I have to add them to a list before I can select them
[17:48] <palma> does anyone have any ideas of how i can get my sound to work?
[17:48] <slanning> I should read the dpkg-divert man page, I guess
[17:48] <alastair_> Ratshell: no use, I'm using a script
[17:48] <dotech> alastair_: hmm ok, not sure how it's done without the GUI sorry
[17:48] <Ratshell> alastair, well maybe its your script thats messing up?
[17:48] <alastair_> I've modified this script http://www.djlosch.com/article_Code:_Bash_Script_to_Change_Gnome_Background_Randomly_(Ubuntu)
[17:48] <Ratshell> palma, what happens if you type alsamixer, in the terminal and press enter?
[17:49] <alastair_> The modifications I've made are only in how the background is selected
[17:49] <alastair_> oh I wonder if it's a permissions thing.
[17:49] <palma> Ratshell: it comes up with an interface with a few different levels
[17:50] <Ratshell> okay , leave that open palma, and try opening something with sound like a mp3 a movie file a youtube page something and see if you get a sound error
[17:50] <Ratshell> alastair_ try running it as a sudo or make sure the chmod you did that
[17:51] <Pelo> anyone else having issues with "move to trash" not showing up in the trashcan but actualy being in ~/.Trash  and notbeing able to empty the trach from right clicking ?
[17:51] <alastair_> aah I just discovered I'm stupid
[17:51] <alastair_> Sorry :X
[17:51]  * Pelo ' s not sure he made sense
[17:51] <Ratshell> alastair, what was it may i ask?
[17:51] <dotech> anyone using Nouveau?
[17:51] <Ratshell> Pelo, so your saying it doesn't show up in trash but at ~/.Trash it does show up right?
[17:51] <alastair_> My hack to create an absolute filename out of a relative one seems to have done it twice
[17:52] <Pelo> Ratshell, yes
[17:52] <Ratshell> alastair_, ahh see its little things like that that mess people over :)
[17:52] <alastair_> not sure why
[17:52] <alastair_> It wasn't until I used a GUI to browse to a directory that I discovered it didn't exist
[17:52] <Pelo> Ratshell, and "empty trash" doesn'T do anything
[17:53] <Pelo> Ratshell, oddly enough trash does work from another partiton
[17:53] <Ratshell> Pelo, ~/.Trash thats in your home directory there is no trash container there i don't think
[17:53] <palma> Ratshell: i dont get any errors
[17:54] <Ratshell> palma, okay go back to there terminal, umm you see the little green things on the 00 like right above master, master M so on?
[17:54] <Pelo> Ratshell, the desktop trash icon ( same as the pannel one) , does not show any content when I move to trash from my main partition , but it does when I move to trash from a seperate one ,  none of the empty trash command work unless it, stuff from the other partion
[17:54] <alastair_> arr I wasn't using the filename I was using the relative path ><
[17:54] <palma> yes
[17:54] <alastair_> sorted woo bai ^_^
[17:54] <Pelo> Ratshell, and the desktop icon is generaly linked to the ~/.Trash
[17:54] <Ratshell> Pelo, I am just saying i tried going to ~/.Trash and there isn't one on my end.
[17:55] <Ratshell> Palma, so the first three Master, Master M, PCM, all three of those have green on the 00?
[17:55] <Pelo> Ratshell, /home/username/.Trash  , it's a hidden folder
[17:55] <Ratshell> Pelo, i am looking at all my hidden folders I still don't have one
[17:55] <palma> master is green
[17:55] <palma> i have no master m
[17:56] <Ratshell> palma, what about PCM?
[17:56] <palma> and pcm has no 00 above it
[17:56] <Pelo> Ratshell, ok where is .Trash on your end,  thatmight be the problem it might have been moved
[17:56] <Ratshell> Pelo, umm one sec let me help palma real quick
[17:56] <Ratshell> palma okay go to over to PCM with the arrow keys, and hit the letter M on your keyboard and see if you have green 00 above pcm now?
[17:57] <sgtkwol> anyone know what information may be gathered from my "fixed" issue to make a permanent fix?
[17:57] <palma> no change
[17:58] <palma> pcm doesnt even have a box below the meter
[17:58] <Ratshell> palma so there still isn't a 00 above pcm? what is the master bar at is the color all the way to the top?
[17:58] <Ratshell> palma, what is pcm color at is that all the way to the top to?
[17:58] <palma> master is at the top
[17:58] <palma> its all the way to the top and its red
[17:59] <palma> same as master
[17:59] <Ratshell> palma, do you have two sounds cards on this computer, or maybe a sound on the mother board and a sound card?
[17:59] <palma> its a laptop so i assume its only got one soundcard
[18:00] <Ratshell> palma in the terminal hit ctrl + c, then type alsamixer 1 and see if you get the same name for the soundcard at the top
[18:01] <kadko> Hello, i actualized my ubuntu hardy and now on the boot screen apper 2 kernel the 7~-16 and the 7~-12 how can i remove the 7~-12?
[18:01] <Ratshell> kadko, you mean the entry for it or actually remove it?
[18:01] <derspankster> alsamixer 1
[18:01] <palma> its the same
[18:01] <Pelo> kadko, leave it but if you realy want to  edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[18:02] <kadko> i mean only delet the entry of it
[18:02] <Pelo> kadko, edit menu.lst
[18:02] <Ratshell> palma, hmm well your sound is working its just not coming our through the speakers, umm have you tried plugging in a pair of headphones into the laptop and seeing if you get sound?
[18:02] <sgtkwol> I know what the issue may be, palma...
[18:03] <palma> ive tried using the builtin speakers and ive also tried using my desktop speakers
[18:03] <kadko> let me make a restore copy of menu.lst
[18:03] <sgtkwol> go into the switches tab, make sure that headphone has a check in it
[18:03] <palma> no results either way
[18:04] <Ratshell> palma, what kind of laptop do you have?
[18:04] <Pelo> palma, check your user permisson , make sure you are allowed to "user audio device"
[18:04] <palma> its an asus m51sn
[18:04] <kadko> Pelo: I need to eliminate the entry who say kernel 12 generic
[18:04] <TwoD> bleh... I can't make anything out of these kernel panic logs, except that it might have something to do with ata6 and ADMA. No clue what to do about that..
[18:04] <kadko> and i will not get problems?
[18:05] <Pelo> kadko, just comment it out with  # if you have issue just boot the live cd and uncomment it
[18:06] <palma> my permissions say i am allowed to use audio devices
[18:06] <kadko> I like ur idea haha ok let me but the #
[18:06] <TwoD> running mcelog --ascii just gives me a warning about having to run it on the same machin as when the check occurred, which it is. Then it just sits there..
[18:06] <kadko> i will restart tnx
[18:07] <Ratshell> palma, i just looked according to another person the sound on the moterhboard in those laptops are to new for the alsa driver and your just going to have to wait for alsa to come out with a newer one heres the article i found about your laptop http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4706504#post4706504
[18:08] <TwoD> I'm gonna try to recheck the files in µTorrent again, If I disappear, you know there was a kernel panic... lol
[18:08] <palma> is there another sound system that could possibly support my sound card?
[18:09] <Ratshell> palma, i really have no idea i've always used alsa, sorry can't help you beyond this
[18:09] <Pelo> TwoD, are  you talking about folders for incomplete files going fuzzy ?
[18:09] <Ratshell> maybe someone else might know
[18:09] <TwoD> Yes, Pelo,
[18:09] <palma> Ratshell: Thanks for all your help
[18:09] <TwoD> Kernel panic coming up... recheck just froze...
[18:09] <Ratshell> palma, no problem best of luck  with getting it to work
[18:10] <Pelo> TwoD,  I get taht too but it doesn'T crash my comp or anything  the background just looks weird
[18:10] <TwoD> Btw, what do you mean going fuzzy?
[18:10] <slanning> this is so frustrating - I don't know if I will ever be able to fix it - it's been broken since Monday - "Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)"  I don't know what I need to have in place to get it working
[18:10] <Pelo> TwoD, let me get you a pic , hold on
[18:11] <Pelo> TwoD,  did you know demonoid is back ?
[18:12] <TehUni> slanning: are you using the nvidia driver in your xorg.conf ?
[18:12] <Ratshell> Pelo, demonoid is back since when?
[18:12] <Pelo> Ratshell, about 3 days ago
[18:12] <TwoD> I see nothing strange on the folders themselves, but thwn I try to recheck my aborted (incomplete) files in µTorrent, the process used to stop at 14.7% and then my programs started to behave odd just before everything froze and numlock began blinking. Once I managed to reboot before that happened and got a message with a kernel panic log.
[18:12] <TwoD> Now rechecking just seems to stop at 8.9%...
[18:13] <Ratshell> Pelo, but how long will it last or will it go down again.
[18:13] <Pelo> Ratshell, demios gave up , IRL problems, not sure what, there is a new admin , not sure who
[18:13] <TwoD> No freeze, or nothing... Maybe because I completely deleted the file it froze on before
[18:13] <Pelo> TwoD,  you say you freeze on recheck ? let me try that out
[18:14] <slanning> TehUni: how would I check that? I see 'Driver "nv"', should it be 'Driver "nvidia"' or something?
[18:14] <Pelo> force checking one right nwo , no problem
[18:14] <slanning> I don't know what happened monday that led to something not being updated properly
[18:14] <TwoD> Yes, first µTorrent freezes, along with the system monitor graphs I've got running in a panel. Shortly after that the comp freezes completely, can't even move the cursor, just got a blinking numlock
[18:15] <Pelo> imageshack is being tempermental or maybe it's FF3, hold on
[18:15] <Pelo> TwoD, I get nothing that bad
[18:15] <TwoD> I just started the torrent which failed recheck before. It seems to continue downloading now that I've removed the incomplete files..
[18:15] <ttroja> I'm looking for some help with SAMBA, I'm looking to add write privileges to my laptop user to write to my server user's home. I can access the server user's home folder and read from it, but cannot write anything to it.
[18:16] <TwoD> Pelo, a few days ago I just needed to boot up and log in to make it freeze. It could sit for hours at the login screen, but as soon as I logged in and everything was loaded, kernel panic...
[18:17] <Pelo> TwoD,  I never got anything like that,  just a small problem with wine not doing the tray kcon properly, that's the worst I got
[18:17] <TwoD> And oh, this is completely unrelated, but I can no longer select multiple things in apps running in wine lol, such as the list of files or torrents in µT :(
[18:18] <Pelo> TwoD, I do have an issue not being able to add empty lines between trakers in the torrent properties, but that doesn't realy bug me
[18:18] <TwoD> Pelo, Yeah I've got that too, right now my µTorrent has the icon of XChat...
[18:18] <Pelo> TwoD, have you updated and dist-updated recently ?
[18:19] <TwoD> I update every day. Dist updated a few weeks ago.
[18:19] <Pelo> TwoD, check in synaptic for the wine version , I'm on wine 0.9.59 ubuntu 4 I beleive
[18:19] <TwoD> Same here
[18:19] <Pelo> TwoD, this is what I mean by fuzzy folder  http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=navigateurdefichierscv0.png
[18:20] <Adys> Is it possible to force or add an icon for a certain file extension?
[18:20] <Adys> in my case, .srlv
[18:20] <Pelo> Adys, find a file with that extension,  right click , properties,  see the little icon in the prperty tab ? clicky clicky
[18:21] <Adys> that only changes the icon for the file itself
[18:21] <Adys> i need to change over 2500 files :)
[18:21] <Pelo> Adys, maybe in ~/.mime I think
[18:21] <Pelo> not sure how
[18:22] <Adys> doesnt exist =\
[18:22] <Pelo> Adys, might be under another folder , as a sub or .gnome or .gnome2 or someting
[18:23] <Adys> hrm
[18:23] <Adys> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31174
[18:23] <Adys> looks like Im gonna have to manually add a mime type for them
[18:26] <Pelo> back later
[18:27] <twoface_> Hi - transferring to a cifs-mount, i have a great speed until a little under 300mb is transferred - then the speed lowers to a few mb/sec. Anybody tried this?
[18:27] <TwoD> Pelo, lol that looks seriously weird! I'm participating in a bug-discussion about µTorrent on http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7403, I'm Henrik
[18:27] <ubotu> bugs.winehq.org bug 7403 in -unknown "utorrent gui does not display (systray and window)" [Normal,New]
[18:28] <TwoD> I noticed a few days ago that µTorrent seems to work fine when I'm using a single monitor, or my monitors are cloned. Do you get that to Pelo?
[18:29] <TwoD> Doh, didn't see he quit :(
[18:33] <Ratshell> Pelo are you still here?
[18:33] <TwoD> he logged out
[18:33] <TwoD> And I'm about to get another kernel panic...
[18:33] <Ratshell> ahh well i found where my trash was finally, was going to tell him
[18:33] <Ratshell> TwoD, are you running the default kernel?
[18:33] <TwoD> µTorrent just froze..
[18:33] <TwoD> yes
[18:34] <Ratshell> TwoD, why don't you try compiling and new kernel, i like doikng that cause i hate generic kernels
[18:34] <TwoD> µTorrent just froze rechecking a movie on 5.3%, panel system monitor is frozen
[18:34] <Ratshell> TwoD, why don't you install Azureus instead of utorrent in wine
[18:34] <TwoD> I don't know how..
[18:34] <TwoD> I hate it...
[18:35] <Ratshell> TwoD, one sec heres how to compile a kernel the ubuntu way http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[18:36] <slanning> how would I make things....totally plain, without any nvidia stuff or anything - like to start over?
[18:36] <slanning> I can't seem to fix this glx thing (I think that's the problem, at least....)
[18:36] <Ratshell> remove through sudo all the stuff you installed for nvidia, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and put it back to whatever you where on default which was probably the vesa thing
[18:37] <slanning> ok, thanks I'll give it a try
[18:37] <slanning> it's been working with nvidia drivers for like months or years, though, so it's bizarre....
[18:38] <Ratshell> wb TwoD
[18:38] <Ratshell> or not
[18:38] <ffm__> Pardon me, how do I fix a broken dependency?
[18:38] <TwoD> Thanks
[18:39] <ffm__> Hal keeps on breaking, and I fixed it in the past, and forgot how.
[18:39] <Ratshell> ffm__ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186672
[18:40] <tylerflick> Did anyone find a solution to the breaks that yesterday's update caused?
[18:41] <TwoD> Ok, I just ran mcelog --ascii to try to find out what just happened. But it just sits there doing nothing after warning me about not running mcelog --ascii on the same machine...
[18:41] <twoface_> i'm missing the python module 'dl' - this should be a part of the python2.5 package. can anyone confirm this? or even fix it? :)
[18:42] <ffm__> Ratshell, Merci.
[18:42] <ffm__> Ratshell, But I didn't update, I installed via CD.
[18:42] <ffm__> (I didn't gutsy>hardy)
[18:43] <unstable> What is wrong with mplayer in heron?
[18:45] <Ratshell> ffm__ so you installed something from the sources on the cd and now you got broken dependcy?
[18:45] <usser> unstable, works fine here
[18:45] <twoface_> unstable: works fine here too
[18:46] <ffm__> Ratshell, No, I updated.
[18:46] <ffm__> Ragnarel, aptitude update, aptitude upgrade
[18:46] <ffm__> *Ratshell
[18:46] <Ratshell> ffm__, so you upgraded to hardy and now you have broken dependcys?
[18:47] <TwoD> Grrr.. and why did Hardy have to shuffle around my mounted disks on upgrade, as well as rename them into meaningless XXX.X GB-media names, I'm having a really hard time figuring out which one is which, not to mention the confusion when hda1 and hdb1 were replaced by sdXX, and the fact that ntfs-3g found "new" disks and mounted them at /media/sdd and sde.... all this without any warnings whatsoever. Had to manually edit /etc/fstab multipl
[18:47] <TwoD> e times to figure out what device was mounted where, and then edit Wine's configuration to fix bad references to hda1/hdb1...
[18:47] <unstable> twoface_ / usser I can't play this rm file(rv30), but it plays fine on my debian system, with marillat's mplayer.
[18:47] <ffm__> Ratshell, I upgraded my hardy install (which was working) and _then_ got broken dependancies.
[18:47] <unstable> rtsp://a30.v78701.c7870.g.vr.akamaistream.net/ondemand/7/30/7870/v0001/mitstorage.download.akamai.com/7870/6/6.002/f03/videolectures/mit-6.002-lec-mit-10250-04sep2003-0000-220k.rm
[18:47] <unstable> That is the file.
[18:48] <unstable> The audio works, not video. Does the video work for you guys?
[18:48] <Ratshell> hmm, weird i have never had that issue
[18:48] <cvd-pr> Hey when i start firefox it open the open pages when i close it, any way to stop firefox doing it
[18:48] <cvd-pr> ?
[18:48] <usser> unstable, do u have codecs from medibuntu repository?
[18:48] <TwoD> I'm sorry but saying that Hardy will launch with LTS in a few days seems like a joke to me. It's totally messed up everything related to hard disks on my computer...
[18:48] <unstable> usser: no, I just did "apt-get install mplayer-nogui"
[18:49] <usser> unstable, try this !medibuntu
[18:49] <usser> !medibuntu
[18:49] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[18:49] <lazarus> release date for 8.04
[18:49] <lazarus> ?
[18:49] <Ratshell> April of 2008
[18:49] <usser> 10 days to go
[18:49] <hydrogen> Read the topic.
[18:49] <hydrogen> It's right there
[18:49] <hydrogen> shouting at you
[18:49] <hydrogen> READ ME LAZRUS
[18:49] <Ratshell> lazarus, ubuntu Hardy Heron the actual release of it is in 11 days
[18:49] <hydrogen> I'M HERE FOR YOU
[18:49] <hydrogen> DON'T IGNORE MORE LAZARUS
[18:50] <emet> hardy heron will be delayed?
[18:50] <ffm__> Ratshell, Should I reinstall? I don't have anything special on that machine, I just use it as a testbed.
[18:50] <hydrogen> I TALK TO YOU EVERY TIME YOU ENTER THE CHANNEL
[18:50] <TwoD> Not to mention Hardy's "connect to server" feature is completely broken and that no standard Gnome app can no longer connect via ftp (using login)
[18:50] <hydrogen> LOOK AT ME LAZARUS
[18:50] <lazarus> I AM NOT
[18:50] <ffm__> !caps | hydrogen
[18:50] <ubotu> hydrogen: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[18:50] <Ratshell> ffm__ yeah I would advise that
[18:50] <hydrogen> ffm__: Tell the topic that
[18:50] <lazarus> sorry
[18:50] <hydrogen> ffm__: It just wanted to be heard
[18:50] <ffm__> hydrogen, It hurts my ears! They bleed!
[18:51] <emet> !info netbeans
[18:51] <lazarus> cant wait for 8.04
[18:51] <ubotu> netbeans (source: netbeans): Integrated Development Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.0.1-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 813 kB, installed size 1924 kB
[18:51] <emet> 8.04 is really teh buggy for me :o
[18:51] <twoface_> i'm missing the python module 'dl' - this should be a part of the python2.5 package. can anyone confirm this? or even fix it? :)
[18:51] <emet> it
[18:52] <twoface_> you can test by running 'python -c "import dl"' in a console
[18:53] <ffm__> Ratshell, While configuring hal I get  a "failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket
[18:53] <Ratshell> ffm__ are you running sudo when configuring it?
[18:53] <ffm__> Ragnarel, No.
[18:54] <ffm__> Ragnarel, I'm in single user because I can't log in under X.
[18:54] <Ragnarel> ?
[18:54] <Ratshell> ffm__ lol ratshell not ragnarel :P
[18:54] <ffm__> Ragnarel, I apologize.
[18:54] <ffm__> Ratshell, see above
[18:54] <Ratshell> ffm__ have you tried configuring it under root?
[18:54] <ffm__> Ragnarel, Autocomplete for Ra- is your nick.
[18:54] <ffm__> Ratshell, Huh?
[18:55] <ffm__> Ratshell, Hal crashes when apt attempts to configure.
[18:55] <TwoD> And does anyone know why Hardy forces you to use ff3 when it's still extremely unstable? I tried to reinstall ff2 but it only worked for about a day before FF3 starts when I explicitly type "firefox-2"...
[18:55] <Ratshell> ffm__, you said your trying to configure it i presume you mean .configure, have you tried doing that under the root account
[18:55] <TwoD> It kinda makes me wish I had good ole IE in Linux lol
[18:55] <ffm__> Ratshell, ./configure? No, I just use apt.
[18:56] <ffm__> Ratshell, Packages need configuration, and it fais.
[18:56] <ffm__> *fai;s
[18:56] <ffm__> fails
[18:56] <Ratshell> ffm__, go look at this they talked about your error and show you how to start the dbus thing your having a error with before halo http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=365442&page=3
[18:57] <ffm__> Ratshell, Ah! Dbus isn't started in single user mode...
[18:58]  * ffm__ started it manually... yay!
[18:58] <Ratshell> ffm__, so that helped?
[18:59] <ffm__> Ratshell, No, but it got me thinking.... (the instructions did not, but that hal had to have dbus running to configure did...)
[18:59] <TwoD> Hmm, I'm getting nowhere with any of these problems in Hardy :(
[18:59] <Ratshell> whats your problem again TwoD?
[18:59] <TwoD> Which one of them lol?
[19:00] <Ratshell> lol
[19:00] <ffm__> TwoD, We have a policy about using the latest and greatest of software.
[19:00] <ffm__> TwoD, You want stability, don't use ubuntu+1, use 6.06 until this comes out.
[19:01] <doolz> :)
[19:01] <ffm__> If you want _really_ stable stuff, use debian stable.
[19:01] <derspankster> ffm_: all the way back to 6.06???
[19:01] <Ratshell> ffm__, shouldn't you mean he use 7.10 thats the most stable since its the latest release before this one
[19:02] <_rp> aint 6.06 the last tls?
[19:02] <TwoD> ffm__, even if that means sacrificing things like useablity? I don't want to sound pessimistic or demeaning, but I highly doubt Hardy will be useable in 10 days if this keeps up.
[19:02] <kubrick_> I'm having a weird error in Hardy.   I have a Canon SD870 IS camera.  A week or two ago, I could plug it in via USB and Nautilus would pop up and show me the contents.
[19:02] <_rp> um lts
[19:02] <usser> debian etch is the most stable
[19:02] <kubrick_> Now, it doesn't mount or show up in Nautilus.  One thing I read on ubuntuforums is that something might get reset after the battery is taken out (which I did, to recharge it).
[19:03] <kubrick_> dmesg shows that it is being recognized.  It just isn't being mounted/displayed in Nautilus.  However I can access my photos via f-spot-import
[19:03] <ffm__> TwoD, We'll push back the release date.
[19:03] <ffm__> TwoD, Or just abandon FF3. Or ask the FF3 people to get in gear.
[19:03] <TwoD> ffm__, ok. But as it is now, I can't use 6.06 as I've already upgraded..
[19:03] <_rp> hardy is working perfectly fine for me and has done for weeks
[19:03] <ffm__> TwoD, Use gutsy?
[19:04] <kubrick_> Hardy is getting pushed back?
[19:04] <Lynoure> TwoD: about the starting bug...
[19:04] <Lynoure> TwoD: you had ff3 running at the time you tried to start ff2, I bet?
[19:04] <whuyt> hello!
[19:05] <Lynoure> TwoD: (it's a know bug)
[19:05] <TwoD> I did, but to get back I'd need a complete reinstall, right? Seems like an extremely risky opration atm... :(
[19:05] <_rp> guten tag
[19:05] <whuyt> for some reason in hardy all my windows open with the very tops under the top menu bar, to make them accessible i have to right click on the tab and move
[19:05] <TwoD> Lynoure, ok, thanks for that
[19:06] <Lynoure> TwoD: you should be able to run FF2 if there is no FF3 running at the same time (and the bug works both ways)
[19:06] <whuyt> whats causing them to open like that?
[19:06] <TwoD> I'm guessing they look for the same "instance", and if there is one, relaunches the one already running to share resources or something?
[19:07] <TwoD> Wild guess lol
[19:07] <TwoD> It does seem to work when I close ff3 yes, not sure it did that before but that doesn't matter much..
[19:08] <Lynoure> TwoD: I actually only know about it because I was puzzled enough to report the bug :)
[19:08] <whuyt> nevermind, disabling and enabling compiz solved issue
[19:09] <TwoD> Hmm, flash seems to work in FF2, but not in FF3, could there be a similar problem when installing plugins?
[19:09] <ffm__> How can I  find the PID of a running process?
[19:09] <Lynoure> TwoD: hmm, I don't know anything about that. Works in mine but I reinstalled flash recently (because of the security hole)
[19:09] <ffm__> (gui process)
[19:10] <TwoD> I've done it three times today Lynoure
[19:10] <Lynoure> ffm__: pstree -p is my favourite way
[19:11] <Assid> heya
[19:12] <Assid> is there any phone out there that has ubuntu mobile edition alreayd?
[19:13] <gregory_> ffm__: ps axu
[19:15] <TwoD> This is weird.. I just removed ff2, reinstalled flashplugin-nonfree. surfed to youtube.com, it tells me I have no (or old version of) flashplayer installed, I click "Install missing plugins" and choses the one from Adobe, hit "Next" and it burps out "You already have flashplugin-nonfree installed" and exits..
[19:15] <clusty> did the GUI to configure samba/nfs dissappear?
[19:15] <clusty> in hardy i mean
[19:15] <Lynoure> Assid: try on  #ubuntu-mobile ? I don't think any phone does, yet, but I'm not in Canonical
[19:17] <DB42> blah
[19:18] <TwoD> Removed flashplugin-nonfree, downloaded it via the prompt I got at youtube.com, it installed fine, restarted ff3, youtube still says it's not installed and asks me to install it. Other flash sites just redirect me to Adobe's site which says there's no version for my system x86_x64...
[19:18] <DB42> i ran update-mangaer -d and it borked in the middle, help me ! ;)
[19:18] <DB42> it installed like 1% of the 8.04 packages, but couldn't update libc6 and stuff
[19:18] <DB42> what should i do now ?
[19:19] <DB42> (i'm on 7.10)
[19:19] <DB42> tells me to run "apt-get install -f" should i do it ?
[19:20] <DB42> anybody?
[19:20] <DB42> should i run apt-get install -f ?
[19:21] <TwoD> Gnash doesn't work either now...
[19:21] <TwoD> Lynoure, how did you get flash working?
[19:21] <DB42> can anybody help me fix my system ? :)
[19:22] <Lynoure> TwoD: I did no special tricks, sorry
[19:22] <lazarus> DB42
[19:22] <TwoD> Lynoure, apt-get or the web installer?
[19:22] <TwoD> Do you have a 64 bit system?
[19:22] <DB42> lazarus,
[19:23] <lazarus> run sudo apt-get install -f
[19:23] <DB42> yeah did it
[19:23] <DB42> i'm re-running update-manager now
[19:23] <DB42> seems to work ok
[19:23] <DB42> thanks
[19:23] <lazarus> np
[19:23] <DB42> btw, runing "do-release-update -d" just borks with no helpfull message
[19:24] <DB42> but "update-manger -d" tells me to run apt-get install -f
[19:24] <Lynoure> TwoD: but you could try installing it by hand from Adobe site to .mozilla/plugins
[19:24] <TwoD> It just says it has no version for x86_x64...
[19:25] <DB42> can i somehow reset my compiz / gnome settings to be the default of a new user or so (i'm talking mainly the gui layout, nothing else) ?
[19:25] <Lynoure> TwoD: I don't have a 64bit system myself. Those need a wrapper, I think
[19:25] <slanning> I think I'm going to start crying
[19:25] <Lynoure> slanning: start by telling what's that badly wrong
[19:25] <Lynoure> slanning: and continue by reminding yourself it's just a computer, no one died (I hope)
[19:26] <slanning> :)  since Monday's dist-upgrade after gdm login, it played music but gnome didn't come up I think
[19:26] <sielnt_> I take it a lot of people are doing the "partial upgrade" ... I'm loving the download speed
[19:27] <sielnt_> sometimes I get lucky and it spikes 3x up to 30kb/s
[19:28] <slanning> there was a message about "Failed to initialize GLX ... something about nvidia", so I removed all the nvidia packages and ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as suggested by Ratshell but it still doesn't even give me gnome
[19:28] <sielnt_> slanning: if nvidia isn't working try nv, I solved some nvidia issues by using the nvidia-made installer
[19:29] <slanning> I just want to start from no nvidia at all, nothing
[19:29] <DB42> slanning, try creating a new user, and see if it helps
[19:29] <slanning> because I've tried every permutation of nvidia package that I can think of
[19:30] <DB42> i'm updating now from 7.10 to 8.04 on nvidia, i'll see if it works for me
[19:30] <slanning> I don't think it has anything to do with nvidia, in fact - it has to do with my system being hosed on monday, I'm guessing
[19:31] <slanning> I can't get it back to normal
[19:31] <DB42> btw, update-manger -d says it's updating to 8.04 Release Canidate, and not beta
[19:31] <DB42> slanning,  did you try creating a new user and logging via it ?
[19:31] <sielnt_> slanning: did you edit xorg.conf manually to change the driver?
[19:31] <sailaway85> My network is 10/100 ether .. samba... sys monitor show 1.2gig when moving files... Is this not slow?
[19:31] <m4gnu5> does anyone know, how to boot the powerpc64-smp - kernel on a ps3 ???
[19:32] <derspankster> RC is out, huh?
[19:33] <DB42> dunno if it's out, this is what it says...
[19:33] <slanning> ok, I'll try a different user, thanks
[19:33] <sielnt_> I'm doing a partial-upgrade to something
[19:33] <slanning> sielnt_: probably?
[19:33] <DB42> RC is out on 17 afaik
[19:34] <sielnt_> slanning: try another user... but have you edited xorg.conf?
[19:34] <Assid> err.. isnt the private release out to the testers yet?
[19:34] <sielnt_> try vesa or something?
[19:34] <DB42> !info openoffice
[19:34] <sielnt_> I dont know what this release is but it's taking a long time...
[19:34] <DB42> !info openoffice.org-core
[19:35] <ubotu> Package openoffice does not exist in hardy
[19:35] <ubotu> openoffice.org-core (source: openoffice.org): OpenOffice.org office suite architecture dependent files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.4.0-3ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 26663 kB, installed size 111884 kB
[19:35] <sielnt_> 2 entries in ubotu?
[19:35] <sielnt_> oh lawd
[19:35] <TwoD> Finally! Got Flash working. Guide on: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=737470
[19:35] <DB42> !info xchat
[19:35] <DB42> !info xchat2
[19:35] <ubotu> xchat (source: xchat): IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8.4-0ubuntu7 (hardy), package size 301 kB, installed size 808 kB
[19:35] <ubotu> Package xchat2 does not exist in hardy
[19:35] <DB42> no new x-chat ?
[19:35] <TwoD> I'm using X-Chat...
[19:36] <slanning> using another user didn't do any better
[19:36] <daekdroom> XChat at hardy is 2.8.4
[19:36] <slanning> I thought dpkg-reconfigure was going to take care of xorg.conf
[19:36] <DB42> slanning, check /var/log for X errors or so
[19:36] <DB42> daekdroom, so on 7.10
[19:36] <daekdroom> slanning: dpkg-reconfigure was stripped of powers to reconfigure Xorg
[19:36] <daekdroom> Now you have to use displayconfig-gtk. That happens because now you don't go to console when X fails to start.
[19:37] <DB42> all the pakages are compile with gcc 4.2.1 ?
[19:37] <daekdroom> They wanted to make X.org easy to configure and manage.
[19:37] <sielnt_> what's that new audio layer in hardy now?
[19:37] <DB42> audiopulse
[19:37] <daekdroom> PulseAudio
[19:37] <daekdroom> !pulseaudio
[19:37] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[19:37] <sielnt_> ah, right, does it work with OSS, or is ubuntu alsa-locked?
[19:38] <daekdroom> As far as I know programs that use those will still work.
[19:38] <TwoD> I still need help about my kernel panic problem tho.. http://pastebin.com/m3cfbfec5
[19:38] <crimsun> sielnt_: it will use whatever backend you tell it to.  Granted, many packages assume ALSA's there.
[19:39] <slanning> X is actually running in ctrl-alt-F7 terminal , and there is a mouse (and the startup music plays) - just no gnome panels and right-clicking mouse doesn't bring up any menu or anything
[19:39] <sielnt_> crimsun: I usually just compile the latest alsa as a habit
[19:39] <DB42> slanning, try runing metacity & or so
[19:39] <m4gnu5> or is there a seperate channel for ubuntu on ps3 ?
[19:39] <bbernie> Does anyone know how to edit the right-click menu, when right clicking the desktop [using gnome]
[19:39] <slanning> DISPLAY=:0.0 displayconfig-gtk     failed to start from ctrl-alt-F4 terminal
[19:40] <DB42> m4gnu5, don't think too many people tried it :)
[19:40] <daekdroom> ALSA is still there.
[19:40] <m4gnu5> there is a bug report - but without solution ...
[19:40] <sielnt_> m4gnu5: I know a friend of mine was running some other distro... puppy something rather
[19:40] <DB42> m4gnu5, maybe try a ready-made dist for ps3 like yellow puppy ?
[19:41] <sielnt_> on his ps3
[19:41] <m4gnu5> 7.10 worked perfectly
[19:41] <DB42> k
[19:41] <m4gnu5> ... but i want to use my dvb-stick
[19:41] <DB42> i want to get linux on a ps3 to program the cell and SPE :)
[19:42] <DB42> btw, ctrl-c in the update-manager terminal window doesn't copy text, it cancels the package installation
[19:42] <DB42> don't do it on libc6 when updating to 8.04 :)
[19:42] <m4gnu5> installing ubuntu on ps3 was no problem - for 7.10 there is an extra ps3-cd
[19:43] <DB42> slanning, maybe you need to reconfigure gnome ?
[19:43] <sielnt_> m4gnu5: then run 7.10, in hindsight I'd rather be running it right now -_-"
[19:43] <TwoD> bbernie, try nautilus-actions-config, it might do what you want
[19:44] <DB42> can i somehow reset my compiz / gnome settings to be the default of a new user or so (i'm talking mainly the gui layout, nothing else) ?
[19:44] <m4gnu5> 8.04 works now - but only with the old kernel - and there is the module for the dvb-stick missing...
[19:44] <wolf4914> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) <[19:44] <slanning> DB42: ok, how would I go about that? (dpkg-reconfigure what?)
[19:44] <wolf4914> should I grab some other driver?
[19:44] <DB42> slanning, not sure :|
[19:44] <wolf4914> it does not recognize the driver installed obviously
[19:44] <DB42> wolf4914, move to vesa / nv
[19:45] <slanning> wait a minute, dpkg -l says "gnome-panel" is "rc"  (removed)  - is that right???
[19:45] <wolf4914> I can't - need dual head
[19:45] <DB42> just for checking...
[19:45] <slanning> maybe just some packages were incorrectly removed?
[19:45] <m4gnu5> wolf4914 i have had the same error with my nvidia...
[19:45] <DB42> !info iptables
[19:45] <Flannel> slanning: removed, but config files are still around
[19:45] <wolf4914> DB42, nv works
[19:45] <ubotu> iptables (source: iptables): administration tools for packet filtering and NAT. In component main, is standard. Version 1.3.8.0debian1-1ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 390 kB, installed size 1380 kB
[19:45] <DB42> why not put iptables 1.4.0 ?
[19:46] <DB42> brb, rebooting to 8.04 on nvidia :)
[19:46] <wolf4914> with lower resolution and no dual head - I need twinview
[19:46] <slanning> Flannel: not sure I understand - is it correct that it's removed?
[19:46] <wolf4914> m4gnu5, any solution ?
[19:47] <m4gnu5> i did a brand new install
[19:47] <m4gnu5> although i could switch from x86 to amd64
[19:48] <Flannel> slanning: It is removed.  But when you remove a package (with just "remove" in synaptic or apt-get) you just remove the programs/etc, not the configurations.  You need to purge (with remove --purge, or as of hardy apt-get purge, or "complete removal" in synaptic) to get rid of config files as well (global, no package removal will remove home directory configs)
[19:48] <wolf4914> how did brand new install help?
[19:49] <m4gnu5> don't know what happened - but now i have X with nvidia working... i guess there was something wrong with the update to xorg 7.3 .. ??
[19:50] <wolf4914> hmm
[19:50] <wolf4914> weird - I hate to rteinstall though
[19:50] <alex_mayorga> bug 147877 anyone?
[19:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147877 in imagemagick "identify crashed with signal 24 in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147877
[19:50] <m4gnu5> with seperate /home its not the big problem ;-)
[19:51] <nic456456123> hola a todos dejen su firma en www.metroflog.com/nico456123 devulvo firmas
[19:51] <nic456456123> hola a todos dejen su firma en www.metroflog.com/nico456123 devulvo firmas
[19:51] <Flannel> !ops | nic456456123
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[19:51] <nugz1212> can someone help me with my wifi issue
[19:52] <CoasterMaster> Should I be worried about a partial upgrade?
[19:52] <nic456456123> hola a todos dejen su firma en www.metroflog.com/nico456123 devulvo firmas
[19:52] <TwoD> *Sigh* Why does more and more apps keep replacing their progress bars with the "bouncing bars" which tells you nothing about how much is done/left? Heck, most of the time I'd prefer a simple xxx/yyy MBs left counter... (The archive manager in Gnome is a great example of something telling you exactly nothing)
[19:52] <nugz1212> i cant connect to my linksys wrt310n yet all other netowrks work
[19:53] <nic456456123> hola a todos dejen su firma en www.metroflog.com/nico456123 devulvo firmas
[19:53] <nugz1212> all versions of ubuntu freeze when trying to connect
[19:53] <m4gnu5> wolf: i guess there will be another solution, but i tried a lot... and i am not a noob to linux
[19:53] <nugz1212> including 8.04
[19:54] <wolf4914> hmm - I will try beta drivers
[19:54] <cycom> If I change something in /etc/acpi/acpi-support, what do I have to do to get the changes to take effect?
[19:54] <wolf4914> 173.08 - maybe they will work?
[19:54] <cycom> reboot? or will it work immediately?
[19:54] <nugz1212> anyone else having these problems?
[19:55] <wolf4914> m4gnu5, tried beta by the way?
[19:55] <m4gnu5> i think so...
[19:55] <wolf4914> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
[19:55] <wolf4914> sure? If you did it will save me some time
[19:56] <m4gnu5> i downloaded several drivers directly from nvidia...
[19:56] <godfool> fron
[19:56] <wolf4914> beta included?
[19:56] <nickrud> wow, envyng has made it to ubuntu
[19:56] <bbernie> Does anyone know how to edit the right-click menu, when right clicking the desktop [using gnome]
[19:56] <orvokki> Gah, there's been tons of new upgrades...
[19:56] <m4gnu5> i think i also tried beta...
[19:56] <Ramunas> hello, do any of you know of a simple audio player? I want something like the xmms
[19:57] <Ramunas> amarok and rhytmbox are too big and uncomfortable for me
[19:57] <Lynoure> Ramunas: but definately don't want xmms? =)
[19:57] <derspankster> Ramunas: audacious
[19:57] <DanaG> quodlibet is nice, too.
[19:58] <nickrud> beep-media-player , is that still being developed?
[19:58] <Ramunas> I want xmms, but it seems its not available on hardy?
[19:58] <DanaG> And quodlibet still has working media keys.
[19:58] <Lynoure> Ramunas: xmms2 is
[19:59] <Ramunas> btw, when I listen to music, and pause it to watch a flash video, I get no sound on flash video
[19:59] <DanaG> envyng is lame -- it doesn't edit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common.
[19:59] <m4gnu5> wolf: you tried both nvidia drivers?
[19:59] <nugz1212> wow nobody on any channel knows how to fix my problem
[19:59] <m4gnu5> there is now nvidia-glx and nvidia-new-glx...
[20:00] <justin1990> hm na sowas
[20:00] <sielnt_> there's been a glx-new for a long time
[20:00] <justin1990> hey ich hab ein problem, ich möchte einen alternativen webbrowser installieren als firefox oder opera weil die nicht gut funktionieren ( ubuntu hardy ) kann jemand helfen
[20:00] <sielnt_> pretty sure that's german
[20:00] <DanaG> !de
[20:00] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[20:00] <nugz1212> ich ben ein berliner
[20:00] <Flannel> !browsers | justin1990
[20:00] <ubotu> justin1990: Browsers available for Ubuntu: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), w3m (terminal-based), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), edbrowse (command-line), Opera (Qt, proprietary)
[20:00] <Ramunas> Lynoure, so I need xmms2, and some UI for it too?
[20:01] <nugz1212> network issue please help
[20:01] <nickrud> Ramunas I see gxmms2 for gnome, apt-cache search xmms2 shows a _lot_
[20:01] <wolf4914> I think I tried both
[20:01] <justin1990> !browsers
[20:01] <ubotu> Browsers available for Ubuntu: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), w3m (terminal-based), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), edbrowse (command-line), Opera (Qt, proprietary)
[20:01] <Lynoure> Ramunas: way back when I used xmms it was xmms (non-2) :)
[20:01] <justin1990> what about iceape ?
[20:01] <nugz1212> cant connect to linksys wrt210n
[20:01] <nugz1212> please help
[20:01] <wolf4914> nvidia-new-glx was the last I tried
[20:02] <wolf4914> since the error is about glx (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[20:02] <wolf4914> (WW) <default pointer>: No Device specified, looking for one...
[20:02] <nugz1212> idea
[20:02] <DanaG> aah, envyng: http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/
[20:02] <nugz1212> try new driver
[20:02] <nugz1212> brb
[20:03] <KADKO> all hp printers work's whit ubuntu?
[20:03] <sielnt_> KADKO: there's an awesome printer configuration thing in ubuntu that has a shit ton of drivers built in
[20:03] <Zambezi> KADKO: Are you going to buy one or having trouble with one?
[20:04] <KADKO> Im going to buy a new one
[20:04] <Zambezi> KADKO: I have a really nice one, but it's not HP.
[20:04] <sielnt_> KADKO: check out system-config-printer
[20:05] <nickrud> wonder if envyng will be backported
[20:05] <sielnt_> what's the printer name, I'll check for drivers
[20:05] <Zambezi> KADKO: Brother HL2030.
[20:05] <DanaG> Handy hint: "show networked printers"
[20:05] <KADKO> wait a moment let me chek the model
[20:05] <DanaG> In General (I think), or "Server Settings"
[20:05] <DanaG> Lets you print to any shared printer, without explicitly adding it.
[20:06] <KADKO>  Its an HP - Photosmart Wireless Multifunction Printer/ Copier/ Scanner  Model C4385
[20:06] <derspankster> I have an HP laser networked with a JetDirect print server. Works just fine.
[20:06] <sielnt_> KADKO: you'll have to look more into the scanning functions, copying should be done one the machine itself afaik, but for printing, I'll check
[20:07] <KADKO> Zambezi: Your brother looks fine
[20:07] <KADKO> silent_: Ok tnx
[20:08] <Zambezi> KADKO: Just plugin, works directly. Quick and cheap. :-)
[20:08] <sielnt_> KADKO: looks like there's a generic driver for PhotoSmart C4380 series, should work fine
[20:08] <DanaG> Can you use scanners over the network?
[20:09] <Ramunas> xmms2 is clearly not ready for the normal users, bmpx is just weird
[20:09] <Ramunas> where did all the simple players like good old xmms and bmp go?
[20:09] <KADKO> okey tanx silent_
[20:09] <sielnt_> Ramunas: doesnt matter Rhythmbox, Amarok >>>>> xmms
[20:09] <derspankster> !audacious
[20:09] <ubotu> audacious is included in !Feisty. A !repository also exists for !Edgy: see http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads
[20:09] <orvokki> Ramunas: How about Audacious?
[20:10] <orvokki> It's mostly an XMMS clone.
[20:10] <sielnt_> a clone of a clone
[20:10] <sielnt_> wow
[20:12] <Ramunas> orvokki, thanks, audacious will do!
[20:12] <derspankster> skins available too
[20:12] <nacho_> Hi
[20:13] <nacho_> I installed ubuntu 8.04 and I am having problems with the touchpad
[20:13] <Ramunas> should I use alsa or pulse audio?
[20:13] <orvokki> Depends. Pulse Audio might be a good choice if it works.
[20:14] <nacho_> and to install it I had to configure by myself the xorg.conf and other things because the live cd doesn't start gdm
[20:14] <sielnt_> Ramunas: afaik pulse audio has more options for audio stream manipulation, but I just use alsa cause I know it will work
[20:14] <Ramunas> will there eventually be one standart? or users will always have to decide?
[20:15] <Ramunas> I assume new users would get really confused by all that audio output stuff
[20:15] <sielnt_> Ramunas: most of it is behind the scenes, as always
[20:23] <cycom> here's a fun thing: I suspend my toshiba A100.  On resume, the display is black, and the keyboard doesn't respond.  If I killall Xorg -9, suddenly the login screen appears and everything works
[20:23] <cycom> any thoughts?
[20:23] <h3sp4wn>  /query craz_imp
[20:28] <stael123> hello everybody! just installed 8.04 and got problem with resolution. no other option but 400x800
[20:30] <david> stael123: google is your friend
[20:30] <david> try phrases such as "wrong resolution ubuntu", "ubuntu resolution drivers" and whatnot
[20:31] <david> issues such as wrong driver, wrong settings and blacklisting might be your problem
[20:31] <david> (etc)
[20:33] <stael123> i'll try
[20:33] <Volkodav> how do I get to init 3?
[20:34] <h3sp4wn> That won't help you with xrandr 1.2 and may confuse things more
[20:34] <YazzY> hi guys
[20:34] <nickrud> Volkodav using init for different X setups isn't used in ubuntu
[20:34] <Volkodav> I need to install beta nvidia drivers
[20:35] <Volkodav> and need to be in init 3
[20:35] <h3sp4wn> Define need
[20:35] <YazzY> why isnt there any nvidia driver in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-xen  ?
[20:35] <Volkodav> cuz others do not work lol
[20:35] <YazzY> while linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-11-386 has it
[20:36] <Volkodav> I tried init 3 and just 3 in kernel parameters in grub - did not work
[20:36] <h3sp4wn> Well it needs the kernel patches to be changed
[20:37] <nickrud> Volkodav log out of the desktop, hit ctl-alt-f2. login, type  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop. Do nvidia stuff. then sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start, and clt-alt-f7 to get back to login screen if needed
[20:37] <Volkodav> thanks nickrud
[20:38] <david> stael123: I don'y want to push you off, but I wanted to show you google has good answers for this :)
[20:38] <YazzY> any of you guys have answer to my question ?
[20:38] <david> please ask about the procedures you find if you think they're confusing or something
[20:39] <stael123> sure thanks!
[20:39] <h3sp4wn> upstart doesn't have runlevels afaik
[20:39] <david> YazzY: perhaps it's blacklisted ? :)
[20:39] <david> no idea sorry
[20:39] <h3sp4wn> Just some pretty basic emulation
[20:40] <david> stael123: I/we just want to encourage people to first seek information themselves, then help out to fill in that information
[20:40] <david> unix/linux world is very anti-spoonfeeding ;)
[20:41] <YazzY> david: "perhaps.." is not exactly the answer i was looking for
[20:41] <YazzY> someone needs to know why the drivers were not included for xen
[20:41] <david> YazzY: don't expect the spanish inquisition
[20:41] <david> ;)
[20:42] <Zambezi> david: The Ubuntuspirit is to help out, not recommend Google.
[20:42] <nickrud> YazzY probably because the dev's don't intend to provide opengl support in xen
[20:42] <YazzY> nickrud: it was included in former versions
[20:42] <hischild> Zambezi, we can't help everyone when google has the answer for them
[20:42] <david> Zambezi: ofcourse, but we help people by recommending google for trivial answers
[20:42] <nickrud> !google (at least give some search terms)
[20:43] <nickrud> !google | someone (at least give some search terms)
[20:43] <ubotu> someone (at least give some search terms): google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[20:43] <Zambezi> hischild, david: Okay, here's an exception. :-)
[20:44] <hischild> Zambezi, i haven't followed the entire discussion. But i have recommended google more then once with a reason =)
[20:44] <david> atleast we're not as rude as the common linux-channels :P
[20:44] <h3sp4wn> That also doesn't take into account the general lack of detail in most Ubuntu documentation
[20:44] <nickrud> googles ok, just as long as it's not done with the jfgi attitude. Offering search terms helps a lot
[20:45] <david> few times have I been among as unhelpful people as in random linux and unix channels
[20:45] <Zambezi> hischild: I usally don't in #ubuntu-se, #ubuntu. But this isn't a good channel asking basic questions.
[20:45] <hischild> Zambezi, ubuntu-se?
[20:45] <hischild> nickrud, jfgi?
[20:45] <nickrud> hischild  just F***** google it
[20:45] <hischild> nickrud, i see
[20:46] <Zambezi> Ubuntupeople are way more friendlier than Unixpeople. :-)
[20:46] <hischild> Zambezi, if you wish to help people, it doesn't help to be rude :-)
[20:46] <nickrud> if you want to show off your chops, being rude is mandatory :)
[20:47] <Lynoure> It's easy to feel unappriciated when people who cannot bother to even _try_ to search for a solution expect you to do that for them. But it's nothing a little vacation won't cure.
[20:47] <binarical-app> also be clear..... and straight..... a nice big paragraph of information usually helps more then short outbursts
[20:47]  * nickrud remembers when he started, didn't have a clue about terminology to search for. 
[20:48] <Lynoure> nickrud: trying and not finding is a whole different from not trying...
[20:48]  * binarical-app wonders if torwalds ever is in here
[20:48]  * nickrud went down the wrong road many times with misleading/bad pages.
[20:48] <david> nickrud: yeah, helping with google searchwords is a good help
[20:48] <david> I often link searcresults
[20:49] <david> *search
[20:49] <sielnt_> did the hardy repos just die?
[20:49] <nickrud> I also, then answer questions about what they don't know on the page. Can get a lot done that way
[20:49] <h3sp4wn> There is far too much stuff that is just not the best or even a clean way to do stuff thats recommended in google
[20:50] <david> true
[20:50] <david> and sometimes outdated methods
[20:50] <david> irrelevant and irreversible
[20:50] <sielnt_> guize did hardy repos die?
[20:50] <h3sp4wn> How can someone be expected to decided that
[20:50] <Lynoure> Another frustrating thing is users that won't use a solution, no reason given why, it's just not what they expected so they just refuse a fix
[20:50] <Zambezi> I had the same problem in the beginning (terms and things - finding the answers, asking questions correct).
[20:50] <nickrud> Lynoure oh, don't get me started about that ;-P
[20:50] <david> h3sp4wn: personally I tell them to come back with questions regarding the information
[20:51] <Lynoure> nickrud: feel free to, maybe in /msg, if it is good for you to vent :)
[20:52] <david> I've wrecked countless *nix installations in the beginning
[20:52] <david> *my early days
[20:52] <david> mostly just because I got no help :/
[20:53] <Zambezi> And another problem here. If an experienced user have a problem we can ask him what to do and he most likely know how to do it. But noobs don't... And then it's back to square one.
[20:53] <nickrud> I did a bunch of lfs's to begin with, just because I needed to have stuff to google and learn
[20:53] <sielnt_> I'm getting 111 Connection refused from the repositories
[20:53] <binarical-app> im having some trouble with my apple dvd rom burner, it keeps spitting out blank dvds
[20:53] <nickrud> sielnt_ must be your mirror, mine are fine
[20:53] <david> sielnt_: try different mirrors?
[20:54] <Zambezi> sielnt_: No error here.
[20:54] <sielnt_> I restarted in the middle of a dist-upgrade :(
[20:54] <sielnt_> it was only downloading packages though, so it shouldn't have caused any problems
[20:54] <david> admin - sources - download from - other - find best
[20:54] <david> (if you didn't know)
[20:54] <daekdroom> sielnt_: you should just restart it then.
[20:55] <CoasterMaster> can I get Hardy DVDs from anywhere?
[20:55] <sielnt_> I did, its 111'ing from the repos : /
[20:55] <david> CoasterMaster: yes
[20:55] <sielnt_> I'll try another repository
[20:55] <binarical-app> can anyone help me with my dvd rom ?
[20:55] <david> well, not now :P
[20:55] <david> binarical-app:  what's up?
[20:55] <daekdroom> CoasterMaster: you can't get Hardy DVDs, only CDs and not right now.
[20:56] <binarical-app> my apple dvd burner spits out blank dvds
[20:56] <david> daekdroom: won't hardy exist as DVD?
[20:56] <Zambezi> CoasterMaster: Why won't CD work?
[20:56] <dooglus> binarical-app: I can't burn DVDs either
[20:56] <daekdroom> david: Ubuntu always been distribuited as CD, as far as I know.
[20:56] <CoasterMaster> Zambezi: oh they will I was just curious
[20:56] <david> daekdroom: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/purchase
[20:56] <Zambezi> CoasterMaster: I know I saw Feisty on DVD awhile ago.
[20:56]  * dooglus tries hard to pretend http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/hardy-dvd-i386.iso doesn't exist
[20:56] <binarical-app> yeah, i have a game id like to try out, but the game is larger then 700mb so i have to use a dvd
[20:57] <david> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_sw/104-6109640-8742337?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias%3Dsoftware&field-keywords=ubuntu+7.10&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go
[20:57] <daekdroom> david: I never knew about that o.o
[20:57] <daekdroom> Nvm, I know that page :p
[20:57] <david> dunno what it features :P
[20:57] <binarical-app> i would actually be happy to install the game without having to use a dvd
[20:57] <h3sp4wn> Its not that hard to make a usbstick with a bootable ubuntu on it
[20:57] <binarical-app> can i mount an iso image and install it from there via wine=?
[20:57] <daekdroom> A installed Ubuntu if you have a 4GB usbstick :D
[20:58] <daekdroom> yes,
[20:58] <h3sp4wn> Why would you want it installed
[20:58] <david> binarical-app: did you check out your DVD firmware?
[20:58] <daekdroom> Because that thing of using the LiveCD is too slow.
[20:58] <david> is this a laptop burner?
[20:58] <sielnt_> I have a 32 gb flash stick
[20:58] <Zambezi> binarical-app: What will you install?
[20:58] <h3sp4wn> You can just change the image however you want
[20:58] <binarical-app> for work and stuff if you dont want your boss to know your peeping on the system
[20:58] <Zambezi> sielnt_: Damn you. I want that too. :-)
[20:58] <sielnt_> Zambezi: had it for a while. Thank you black market.
[20:58] <binarical-app> its called diablo 2 ..... it should run on wine
[20:59] <daekdroom> You can mount the iso in linux and install via wine.
[20:59] <david> binarical-app: is it a laptop DVD burner or stationary?
[20:59] <daekdroom> That's easy to do, actually.
[20:59] <Zambezi> sielnt_: It's like 200-250 euro here.
[20:59] <DB42> hi
[20:59] <DB42> i moved to 8.04
[20:59] <binarical-app> its built into my macbook
[21:00] <binarical-app> how do i do that daekdroom
[21:00] <DB42> a. "screen resolution" doesn't work b. adding a new user any trying to login in X doesn't work c. I can't set my sound system to work on my other sound card( i could in 7.10)
[21:00] <sielnt_> Zambezi: go to China, they'll be around 10 bucks
[21:00] <[diablo]> evening
[21:00] <david> nvm :B
[21:00] <daekdroom> binarical-app: mkdir /mnt/iso and then mount (isohere).iso /mnt/iso/ -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0
[21:00] <daekdroom> it'll be at the folder /mnt/iso
[21:00] <Zambezi> binarical-app: Not to be rude, but you these questions can be asked in #ubuntu too.
[21:01] <[diablo]> guys, is anyone experiencing problems booting any kernel higher that patch 14 please? .... I have an AMD 2600 box that won't boot 15 or 16
[21:01] <daekdroom> Zambezi: I don't think he read the topic before installing Hardy :p
[21:01] <DB42> any ideas ?
[21:01] <binarical-app> yes, i think that is an option as well, thank you for the help
[21:01] <david> DB42: that's a lot of stuff gone wrong
[21:01] <binarical-app> i am also experiancing trouble with my sound.... sound works out of the box, however when i plug my phones in, there is no sound
[21:01] <Zambezi> daekdroom: Me neither. And do you know what I think? If you're new to Linux, you're new to IRC too.
[21:01] <DB42> mainly on why doesn't the correct sound card ...
[21:02] <DB42> david: yeap
[21:02] <h3sp4wn> binarical-app: What do you expect to happen
[21:02] <david> do both soundcards work?
[21:02] <DB42> there was another problem when booting / where it told me it couldn't find something and startup stoped, but pressing ctrl-d made it resume
[21:02] <h3sp4wn> or want to happen
[21:02] <david> dmesg etc
[21:02] <sielnt_> binarical-app: have you played around in the alsa mixer?
[21:02] <daekdroom> Zambezi: Hahaha. I first installed Linux at 7.10 RC, and I still don't know all basic comands for console and their parameters.
[21:02] <DB42> david: good call, nop
[21:03] <DB42> [ 2833.378456] ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-386/sound/alsa-driver/usb/usbaudio.c:1289: 2:1:4: cannot set freq 55010 to ep 0x4
[21:03] <david> hardy uses pulseaudio btw
[21:03] <DB42> the problem seems more low level
[21:03] <david> not sure how/if that affects you
[21:03] <binarical-app> a bit sielnt_ to no avail. id be happy to use my m audio for sound externally , however firefox dosnt let sound run thru the external
[21:03] <daekdroom> ALSA is still there.
[21:03] <DB42> thats my driver and it isn't loaded
[21:03] <sielnt_> hardy CAN use pulseaudio
[21:03] <Zambezi> daekdroom: I installed Breezy and learned all the basic commands. I still prefer console before GUI.
[21:03] <david> sielnt_: I was under the impression pulse is default?
[21:03] <DB42> any ideas why my usb audio driver isn't working ?
[21:04] <daekdroom> Zambezi: I don't like console but I deal with it when needed.
[21:04] <sielnt_> david: I compile alsa and use it, cause I'm hardcore like that
[21:04] <david> ok :)
[21:04] <h3sp4wn> freq is usually a multiple of 1000
[21:04] <orvokki> sielnt_: It is very hard to prevent Ubuntu Hardy to prevent from using Pulse Audio though.
[21:04] <DB42> h3sp4wn, i just upgraded 7.10 to 8.04
[21:04] <Zambezi> daekdroom: I run irssi, rtorrent, nano and all that.
[21:04] <DB42> it worked in 7.10 perfectly..
[21:04] <h3sp4wn> I have managed to get it working
[21:04] <DB42> didn't touch any config
[21:04] <david> DB42: support might not be there
[21:04] <david> driver might also be blacklisted
[21:05] <h3sp4wn> (With OSS4 now - still trying to get it working nicely)
[21:05] <david> this is the downside of betausage
[21:05] <daekdroom> Zambezi: I don't know how to use nano, but I use vi when I'm stuck in shell.
[21:05] <DB42> david: it's a absic usb audio
[21:05] <Zambezi> david: My sound is disabled since three-four kernels.
[21:05] <david> evil
[21:05] <orvokki> RC will be out on 17th already. \o/
[21:05] <Zambezi> daekdroom: I tried vim, but hate it.
[21:05] <david> I'm semi-lucky with my laptop hardware
[21:06] <binarical-app> ﻿sielnt_: how can i compile alsa ?
[21:06] <DB42> who cares, to many problems with this beta...
[21:06] <DanaG> I'm also semi-lucky.
[21:06] <DB42> a. "screen resolution" doesn't work b. adding a new user any trying to login in X doesn't work c. I can't set my sound system to work on my other sound card( i could in 7.10) <-- any ideas ?
[21:06] <DanaG> Brightness control works.  Hotkey display switching works!  Suspend works (2/3 of the time).
[21:06] <daekdroom> Zambezi: All I know to do is how to switch it to instert mode and then switch back to quit saving the file :p
[21:06] <h3sp4wn> The only environment I have seen that works well with xrandr 1.2 is e17
[21:06] <david> binarical-app: that's non-trivial I'm afraid, investigaing other solutions might be a better idea
[21:06] <h3sp4wn> dunno of any others thus far
[21:06] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: err, gnome works just fine
[21:06] <Zambezi> DB42: And you thought you'll get a smooth ride when upgrading?
[21:06] <david> but for shitz, giggles and learning - it's win :)
[21:07] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: we even have a nice gui for it
[21:07] <cycom> grrr.  I still can't get suspend-resume working on my A100.  ATI drivers, etc.  seems this has been a problem since, oh, I dunno, 2005? XD
[21:07] <binarical-app> trivial or not, it will fix most of my sound problems
[21:07] <DB42> Zambezi,  no i am hoping for solutions so we can all benefit frmo it
[21:07] <david> binarical-app: might :;)
[21:07] <binarical-app> whats the worst that could happen
[21:07] <david> in linux you never know what's behind the bump
[21:07] <binarical-app> hehehehe
[21:07] <binarical-app> yeah your right
[21:08] <binarical-app> still sourcing it would be great
[21:08] <DB42> Apr 13 22:52:05 zibra kernel: [ 3440.384655] gnome-display-p[10316]: segfault at 00000004 eip 0804ecbd esp bfdabf00 error 4
[21:08] <h3sp4wn> Amaranth: Doesn't work in a remotely sane way on my thinkpad
[21:08] <Amaranth> worst that could happen is it could overwrite your MBR and flash your BIOS with a rick astley song
[21:08] <david> things that seem simple have a tendency to get insane and jump in your face
[21:08] <david> Amaranth: :D
[21:08] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: how do you mean? if e17 works gnome works
[21:08] <DB42> is there a channel for reporting problems in 8.04 ? :)
[21:08] <xtknight> ahaha
[21:08] <Amaranth> DB42: launchpad.net
[21:08] <xtknight> DB42, here ;)
[21:08]  * binarical-app thinks david is getting giddy
[21:08] <h3sp4wn> Amaranth: e17 acts normally by default
[21:08] <binarical-app> :P
[21:09] <david> hehehe
[21:09] <DB42> xtknight, welp i've reported, anybody need more info ? :)
[21:09] <orvokki> Amaranth: BIOS can't play sound files though, EFI can. :)
[21:09] <xtknight> DB42, what bug # ?
[21:09] <h3sp4wn> the same screen is scaled appropriately according to the device when its cloned
[21:09] <DB42> 1, 2 and 3 :)
[21:09] <xtknight> hehe
[21:09] <DB42> didn't look for existing bugs
[21:09] <Zambezi> Wow. I've never seen +1 so active before. ;-)
[21:09] <xtknight> sometimes when you clone, the smaller resolution is just displayed in "absolute" on the monitor (cropped)
[21:10] <xtknight> or in my case, it's all corrupted
[21:10] <DB42> so, anybody got any idea how to fix usbaudio module ?
[21:10] <sielnt_> orvokki: know what else the BIOS can't do? it can't give you up, or let you down, or run around and hurt you.
[21:10] <david> sigh.. time to sleep very soon :/
[21:11] <Amaranth> the only bug in 'gnome' i can think of with randr 1.2 is compiz not handling clone mode very well when one monitor has a different resolution
[21:11] <david> DB42: you might be without luck here on hardy beta
[21:11] <Amaranth> but that is fixed
[21:11] <binarical-app> for some reason id still like a bit of help with my dvd rom, if any one knows about macbook dvd roms.....running hardy heron?
[21:11] <DB42> why ? isn't this hardy beta channel ? :)
[21:11] <Zambezi> DB42: It is.
[21:11] <david> yes, but most here are as clueless about what works an doesn't
[21:11] <xtknight> DB42, so what's the issue?
[21:11] <xtknight> your audio doesnt work?
[21:12] <DB42> yeah
[21:12] <DB42> my usb audio isn't loaded
[21:12] <xtknight> type "asoundconf list" and see if your adapter is listed
[21:12] <DB42> and dmesg says
[21:12] <h3sp4wn> Amaranth: Well does it use thinkpad-acpi ? (If X is not involved then that works perfectly also)
[21:12] <binarical-app> xtknight: my dvd rom keeps spitting out blank dvds
[21:12] <DB42> [ 2833.378456] ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-386/sound/alsa-driver/usb/usbaudio.c:1289: 2:1:4: cannot set freq 55010 to ep 0x4
[21:12] <DB42> and then usbaudio isn't loaded in lsmod
[21:12] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: that's a kernel thing, not a DE thing
[21:13] <david> binarical-app: what type of burner is it?
[21:13] <h3sp4wn> Amaranth: Yes but there is no reason X should have a different interface
[21:13] <DB42> xtknight, nop, cause no module is loaded
[21:13] <Amaranth> oops, gotta go
[21:13] <binarical-app> david : where can i find that information
[21:13] <xtknight> DB42, did it used to work?
[21:14] <binarical-app> .....how
[21:14] <david> binarical-app: laptop or stationary computer
[21:14] <binarical-app> mac book core 2
[21:14] <david> ah
[21:14] <DB42> xtknight, in 7.10 yes
[21:14] <DB42> i just moved to 8.04 and i got this
[21:15] <Konam> ok, I think we should really considerate about shipping Firefox in beta as the default web browser un the next LTS
[21:16] <Konam> right now is crashing with at least 50% of every youtube page I opened..
[21:16] <david> binarical-app: dmesg | grep cd-rom
[21:16] <alastair2> Is there a way of turning desktop effects down when running a fullscreen openGL app, i.e. wine?
[21:16] <david> no sorry
[21:16] <Konam> not to mention is in beta FFS!
[21:16] <david> binarical-app: dmesg | grep driver
[21:16] <xtknight> DB42, please pastebin "sudo lsusb -v"
[21:17] <DB42> sec
[21:17] <david> do you see "Uniform CD-ROM driver" ?
[21:17] <david> (just curious)
[21:17] <alastair2> Or indeed a way of not having the opengl application crash when I change desktop due to the cube popping up?
[21:17] <KADKO> the awn curves work's in hardy?
[21:17] <binarical-app> working on it:P
[21:17] <DanaG> awn doesn't have any plugins in the Hardy package.
[21:18] <kirkunit> Trying a clean install from the Hardy beta cd on an AMD64 box. The partition doesn't detect my internal drive. Can anyone help?
[21:18] <xtknight> DB42, and complete dmesg pastebin please
[21:18] <owen1> i mounted a local folder to a server folder via DFS but after reboot it's gone. any ideas?
[21:18] <david> binarical-app: dmesg | grep CD-ROM might show you stuff too
[21:18] <kirkunit> partition +editor
[21:18] <DB42> any prefered pastebin?
[21:18] <david> should see sthn like scsi 1:0:0:0 etc
[21:18] <xtknight> !pastebin | DB42
[21:18] <ubotu> DB42: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[21:18] <DanaG> How do I get bash to ignore duplicate history?
[21:19] <binarical-app> ﻿david: i think now i know why it spit out my dvds .... MATSHITA CD-RW  CW-8221
[21:19] <binarical-app> :D
[21:19] <david> ah
[21:19] <david> :)
[21:19] <david> you need moar DVDRWs
[21:19] <binarical-app> thanks david ..... i shall remeber this forever and ever
[21:19] <sielnt_> binarical-app: bahahahahahahhhahhahah FAIL
[21:20] <david> now now :B
[21:20] <sielnt_> sowy
[21:20] <tclineks> anybody install cdemu? i'm having issues inserting the vhba module after installing it
[21:20] <DB42> dmesg http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63106/ | lsusb http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63107/
[21:20] <DB42> if anybody can check those and figure out why usbaudio isn't loading :)
[21:20] <histo> Wow cpu hogging on new version for some reason.
[21:21] <histo> Anyone else noticed increased cpu usage with firefox 3?
[21:21] <owen1> i monted a folder with the mount command (mount 192.168.1.2:/home/oren/shared/ home/yuka/shared) but after reboot it's gone. how do i keep it?
[21:22] <bean-oh> has anyone had success getting hamachi working in hardy?
[21:22] <sielnt_> histo: thanks for the tip, evolution is raping my second core
[21:22] <DB42> how do i search bugs in launchpad ?
[21:23] <alcoheca> Hi running kdevelop on Hardy is giving me lots of grief. crashes with project files, that have just been created. It's as if there's cached data somewhere causing trouble.  I'm using Gnome and have just installed the dependencies of Kdevelop and no more.
[21:23] <DanaG> bean-oh: does it just exit silently when you run 'hamachi' ?
[21:23] <DanaG> If so, install 'upx' and run 'sudo upx -d `which hamachi`'
[21:23] <DanaG> Hamachi comes as a "packed" executable by default; upx will unpack it.
[21:24] <david> !google DB42 usb audio site:launchpad.net
[21:24] <bean-oh> DanaG, good tip, let me try that.
[21:24] <alastair2> Is there a setting I can toggle in wine so that wow doesn't crash if I change cube face? I figure something is causing it to stop rendering but I don't get an error
[21:25] <david> DB42: ^ that part after your nickname :)
[21:25] <wolf4914> 173.08 drivers show the API mismatch
[21:25] <wolf4914> darn it
[21:25] <sielnt_> is anyone else's evolution-data-server-2.22 taking up 100% on their cpu?
[21:25] <DB42> david: no builtni search ?
[21:25] <DB42> xtknight, seen it ?
[21:25] <h3sp4wn> sielnt_: Thats been happening to me for a few months - average once a day
[21:26] <alcoheca> no bugs, and no questions that are relevant
[21:26] <david> DB42: dunno, I hate sitesearch engines by default ;)
[21:26] <xtknight> DB42, yeah i dont even knwo what that message means.  what audio adapter do you have?
[21:26] <david> especially on forums etc
[21:26] <david> sielnt_: yes
[21:26] <sielnt_> h3sp4wn: it's annoying cause I'm heavily overclocked and I don't want to rape my cpu
[21:26] <xtknight> DB42, there's a search on launchpad
[21:26] <DB42> microsoft sound system
[21:26] <david> that's known apparently (evolution datablabla)
[21:26] <xtknight> what is that?
[21:26] <h3sp4wn> sielnt_: But incidently it only happens on one box
[21:26] <xtknight> https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[21:26] <DB42> some usb quality speakers microsoft used to sell..
[21:26] <xtknight> oh
[21:26] <sielnt_> h3sp4wn: it only happens on one core as well
[21:27] <xtknight> DB42, file a bug and note that it's a regression from gutsy, i guess
[21:27] <h3sp4wn> So it could be some config related thing is different but I dunno
[21:27] <DB42> :(
[21:27] <DB42> i dont like logging on
[21:27] <xtknight> DB42, and please post output of "sudo modprobe -v usbaudio"
[21:27] <sielnt_> I might just purge evolution, I don't use it, I tried opening it once and it crashed... it's pretty much useless atm
[21:27] <david> now I'm off to bed, 22:26 and I'm going up 05:00 :P
[21:28] <david> I think I should try to sleep hehe
[21:28] <DB42> FATAL: Module usbaudio not found
[21:29] <sielnt_> anyone know of some nice desktop widget-like system monitors? Just something that will run transparent over my background without any buttons or anything
[21:29] <xtknight> DB42, snd-usb-audio
[21:29] <xtknight> !info gdesklets | sielnt_
[21:29] <ubotu> sielnt_: gdesklets (source: gdesklets): Architecture for desktop applets. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.36-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 2756 kB, installed size 5728 kB
[21:29] <sielnt_> ergh... gdesklets...
[21:30] <xtknight> what were you expecting?
[21:30] <xtknight> miracles?
[21:30] <xtknight> ;)
[21:30] <david> the spanish inquisition!!!1
[21:30] <xtknight> lol:P
[21:30] <|DuReX|> mmm :( MythTV does weird
[21:30] <DB42> xtknight, how do i see the alsa list again?
[21:30] <holomodus> sielnt_: http://compiz.org/Desktop_Screenlets
[21:30] <xtknight> DB42, alsa list?
[21:30] <xtknight> asoundconf list
[21:30] <sielnt_> I love telemarketers: "CONGRATULATIONS, YOU'VE WON A CAR! ..just send us your credit card number..."
[21:30] <xtknight> DB42, but i want your dmesg after typing modprobe -v snd-usb-audio
[21:31] <DB42> actually it's loaded already
[21:31] <Marcero> anyone has an idea, why nvidia driver and kernel 16 doesn't work together at my laptop
[21:31] <Marcero> ?
[21:31] <|DuReX|> i'm warching mythtv, and suddenly it locks .. :s
[21:31] <xtknight> Marcero, amd64>?
[21:31] <|DuReX|> well it just stops playing
[21:31] <|DuReX|> any id's ?
[21:31] <DB42> and already in use
[21:31] <bean-oh> DanaG, oh thanks a lot, that fixed the issue right away.
[21:31] <Marcero> no
[21:31] <xtknight> well this was a problem, dont know if it applies to 32bit , bug
[21:31] <bean-oh> DanaG, was wrestling with that one for a while
[21:32] <xtknight> bug 215778
[21:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215778 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "2.6.24-16.30 kernel update - nvidia module fails to load" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215778
[21:32] <DanaG> !upx
[21:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:32] <DanaG> Hmm, somebody should add a factoid about hamachi and upx.
[21:32] <DanaG> Either that, or the Hamachi people shouldn't pack their executable!
[21:32] <sielnt_> holomodus: on a similar topic, how do I get that customize button in my appearances tab beside extra?
[21:32] <sielnt_> I can never remember how
[21:32] <DB42> nm, gtg, bye
[21:32] <xtknight> sielnt_, install  python-compizconfig ccsm
[21:33] <sielnt_> right, I have ccsm, didnt know the other one
[21:33] <sielnt_> thanks xtknight
[21:33] <histo> Maybe some of these updates will help
[21:33] <KADKO> What's the program for create GTK 2.x themes and save it?
[21:34] <DanaG> Oh hey, is it possible to apply an LFE crossover in PulseAudio?
[21:34] <Marcero> hm i tried to reinstall kernel 16
[21:35] <Marcero> but doesnt help :/
[21:35] <DB42> crimsun, there is a log here of the problem
[21:35] <DB42> altough no solution
[21:36] <DanaG> http://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,78/p,2/  -- heh, "The Windows Sound System was a sound card put out by (guess who?) Microsoft as an optimal sound card for Windows 3.1 multimedia applications. It was not compatible with any other DOS-supported "standard" sound card, so additional code was needed by DOS games to support it."
[21:37] <DanaG> How much latency do ladspa plugins usually make?  Can PulseAudio run stuff through ladspa?
[21:37] <christoz> Hey everybody..!a friend of mine has resolution problems with his "Hardy" he uses an nvidia fx5600 card with a 17 inches monitor...what i'm asking is how should his xorg.conf file be...
[21:37] <christoz>  i can pastebin his xorg.file if you want
[21:37] <DanaG> I want to apply a lowpass filter to my sub and a highpass filter to the other channels.
[21:37] <DB42> !info audiopulse
[21:38] <ubotu> Package audiopulse does not exist in hardy
[21:38] <DB42> crimsun, here ?
[21:38] <DanaG> !ladspa
[21:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ladspa - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:38] <crimsun> DB42: yes, please be patient.  I'm taking a while to load the pastebin entries.
[21:39] <Pirate_Hunter> is hardy compatible with wine? Can someone say that wine is fully functional in hardy?
[21:39] <DanaG> crimsun: what time zone are you in?  It seems like you're often in IRC when I'm here, even when it's late at night (I'm in Pacific time zone).
[21:39] <crimsun> DanaG: currently EST, but it varies from week to week.
[21:40] <crimsun> well, EDT..
[21:40] <christoz> Anyone?
[21:40] <DanaG> Aah, you're a traveler?  Cool (that can be a good thing or a bad thing).
[21:41] <Pirate_Hunter> Can someone tell me if wine is working a-o.k in hardy or is there any issues i should be aware off?
[21:43] <x1250> Pirate_Hunter: does it work for you?
[21:43] <DB42> wine seems to be ok, but didn't check it too much
[21:43] <DB42> ok, opened a bug for the usb audio
[21:44] <DB42> now any ideas for my other problems ?
[21:44] <Pirate_Hunter> x1250: i dont know cause i havent installed it yet but than i want to know if there are any issues i should be aware before installing wine
[21:44] <DB42> a. new users can't login to X and b. screen resolution isn't working
[21:44] <Pirate_Hunter> DB42: thanx if audio is what you found so far im ok with that
[21:44] <romme> i've just upgraded and now screen brightness changes about three or four times when i press the key
[21:44] <Pirate_Hunter> DB42: sorry but could you retype your question if i cna help ill help
[21:45] <romme> it looks like multiple events are generated
[21:45] <thompa> im having a new wirless problem, nm-applet dissapears
[21:45] <DB42> those stuff aren't working for me
[21:45] <DB42> when i click system -> preferences -> screen resolution it doesn't load up
[21:45] <Pirate_Hunter> romme: hasnt happened to me
[21:46] <thompa> if i do modprobe ath_pci i can bring up wireless atheros, but then nm closes
[21:46] <thompa> how do i get nm-applet back?
[21:46] <Jaymac> thompa: does your internet drop? or stay up?
[21:47] <DB42> crimsun, i need to go soon, and lead ?
[21:47] <DanaG> Wine doesn't do surround sound.
[21:47] <DanaG> And Wine seems to get keys stuck, quite aggravatingly.
[21:47] <Pirate_Hunter> DB42: what are you trying to do and hardware resolution that sued to be  in system>admin has been moved to applications>other you have to enable it
[21:47] <crimsun> DB42: you need a quirk
[21:48] <Pirate_Hunter> brb
[21:48] <Pirate_Hunter> going to make tea
[21:48] <DB42> which quirk ?
[21:48] <crimsun> DB42: for your endpoint descriptor
[21:48] <DB42> i dont have aplications-> other, and the "screen resolution" isn't in admin it's in perferences
[21:48] <DB42> crimsun, does it involve compiling ?
[21:48] <DB42> i didn't need no quirk in 2.6.22 in 7.10
[21:49] <crimsun> DB42: because I patched it in
[21:50] <DB42> so will you patch it in for the 8.04 release as well?
[21:50] <crimsun> DB42: and yes, it involves adding an entry to usbquirks.h.
[21:50] <thompa> Jaymac: my internet stops
[21:50] <christoz> Hey everybody..!a friend of mine has resolution problems with his "Hardy" he uses an nvidia fx5600 card with a 17 inches monitor...what i'm asking is how should his xorg.conf file be...
[21:50] <christoz>  i can pastebin his xorg.file if you want
[21:50] <crimsun> DB42: it's not straightforward; I'll need to troubleshoot with you later.
[21:51] <DB42> crimsun, ok, can you corspond on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/216952 ?
[21:51] <DB42> cause i need to go now
[21:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216952 in ubuntu "Microsoft Sound System 80 not working in hardy beta" [Undecided,New]
[21:51] <thompa> Jaymac: to get atheros to work , i have disable both hardware devices , make madwifi with patch, that worked before
[21:51] <christoz> Actually he can't change resolution from 640x480 and above
[21:51] <crimsun> DB42: sure, I'll look tonight.
[21:51] <DB42> any ideas on my other problem ?
[21:51] <thompa> Jaymac: in -14 it was not a problem
[21:52] <crimsun> DB42: I haven't read it, and I only cared for audio.
[21:52] <christoz> on his system->administration there is no app for changing his monitor
[21:52] <DB42> ok
[21:52] <DB42> laters
[21:52] <thompa> if i type nm-applet nothing happens
[21:53] <sielnt_> the workspaces applet isn't letting me have more than 1 workspace
[21:53] <thompa> nevermind now its back, it dissapears as soon as i do modprobe ath_pci and then connect
[21:54] <thompa> its almost impossible to manually fix this the more fixes are done to it
[21:55] <thompa> acer_acpi and atheros on some models wont work with those hardware drivers
[21:55] <kromonos> hi
[21:56] <sielnt_> anyone here running compiz have more than 1 workspace?
[21:56] <thompa> does anyone else have to disable ahreros hal and atheros wireless in hardware drivers to get it to work?
[21:56] <sielnt_> thompa: I usually use ndiswrapper for atheros
[21:56] <kromonos> ubuntu seems too freeze randomly since kernel 2.6.24
[21:57] <h3sp4wn> I am using stock madwifi xor ath5k depending on mod
[21:57] <h3sp4wn> *mood
[21:57] <thompa> kromonos: for me i got acpi problem i think, kernel related, and it breaks wireless switch
[21:57] <thompa> h3sp4wn: ath5k does that work?
[21:58] <h3sp4wn> thompa: It works for channels 1-11
[21:58] <h3sp4wn> (Maybe more depending on which card)
[21:58] <h3sp4wn> But my IBM one won't have any of it
[21:58] <thompa> h3sp4wn: i have a 5006eg atheros, also known mistakingly as 5007
[21:59] <romme> had anyone there experienced laptop panel brightness issues?
[21:59] <overridex> my numpad is moving my mouse cursor instead of being a numpad... anyone know how to turn this off?
[21:59] <h3sp4wn> romme: Only when X and gnome is involved
[21:59] <thompa> h3sp4wn: ath5k is backported right from -25 kernel?
[21:59] <Pelo> can someone check for ~/.Trash see if they still have one ?
[22:00] <h3sp4wn> thompa: There is a tarball on inteliwireless - with quite good instructions of how to use it
[22:00] <tacone> Pelo: trash was moved
[22:01] <Pelo> tacone, where to ?
[22:01] <h3sp4wn> wireless-compat-*.tar.bz2
[22:01] <asouz> hello
[22:01] <tacone> .local/share/Trash/files/
[22:01] <asouz> i got a 8.04 problem
[22:01] <Pelo> tacone, thanks
[22:01] <asouz> top only shows 3277mb ram
[22:01] <tacone> Pelo: do you still see your files in the trash bin, right ?
[22:02] <Pelo> tacone,  no
[22:02] <asouz> 64bit version
[22:02] <thompa> h3sp4wn: what is your wireless card?
[22:02] <tacone> Pelo: they released 2 updates
[22:02] <h3sp4wn> Its an OEM IBM branded a/b/g
[22:02] <Pelo> tacone,  hence my quesion,  I know the stuff still gets put in ~/.Trash but it doesn't show up i the trashbin and' I can't "empty trashcan"
[22:03] <asouz> h3sp4wn, can you look in "lspci"
[22:03] <tacone> Pelo: did you do all the updates ?
[22:03] <thompa> h3sp4wn: mine will only work with a patched madwifi 5006ek
[22:03] <thompa> and no 64 bit support
[22:03] <tacone> Pelo: with an update they moved the trashbin to move to the new location
[22:03] <h3sp4wn> Its AR5212 afaik
[22:03] <tacone> Pelo: with the 2nd, they moved all the files.
[22:03] <thompa> h3sp4wn: but now because of some latest "fix" it wont come up
[22:03] <asouz> h3sp4wn,  i got 2 wireless cards in my computer, i can sell you one :-)
[22:03] <Pelo> tacone, I'm uptodate but this may have to do with some tweaking I did a while back to get utorrent to delete to trashcan
[22:04] <thompa> h3sp4wn: well this is a laptop
[22:04] <Pelo> tacone,  when were those update ? cause I'm chcking now and there are some updates avaialbe
[22:04] <thompa> my issue is acer_acpi
[22:04] <h3sp4wn> asouz: And then it wouldn't even work
[22:04] <tacone> Pelo: if you're not up to date, then update. if you're not update I'd just delete it manually
[22:04] <h3sp4wn> The wireless card is pretty good actually
[22:04] <tacone> Pelo: they were update happening some days ago.
[22:04] <thompa> h3sp4wn: acer_acpi controls the wireless switch somehow
[22:05] <asouz> so my problem is , ubuntu only show 3277mb ram , 64 bit 8.04
[22:05] <Pelo> tacone, i was uptodate this morning , re-updating now, there is stuff avaialble,  let me try it out
[22:05] <tacone> Pelo: I'd delete files manually, if you don't need them anymore.
[22:05] <tacone> Pelo: ok
[22:05] <Pelo> tacone, deleted,
[22:05] <Pelo> tacone, do you know if here is a way to list the symlink that point to a specific folder ?
[22:06] <tacone> Pelo: sorry, I don't :)
[22:06] <usser> asouz, are u sure its 64? what does uname -m say?
[22:06] <Pelo> the only update is the gnome-user-guide , thats's probably not what I'M looking for
[22:06] <asouz> usser, Linux chris-desktop 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 12:47:45 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:07] <h3sp4wn> asouz: And the bios definately sees it all right ?
[22:07] <usser> asouz, hm bummer. Never heard of anything like that
[22:07] <asouz> usser,  i got 8 gb installed , it shows in bios
[22:07] <usser> asouz, 8gb on sticks?
[22:07] <usser> asouz, try removing one see if it detects properly
[22:07] <asouz> usser, 4 modules @ 2gb each
[22:08] <usser> asouz, oh so bring it down to 4gb
[22:08] <usser> asouz, see if it sees it
[22:08] <Pelo> tacone, lol,  ./local/share/Trash was the folder I replaced with a symlink way back when
[22:08] <tacone> :)
[22:08] <asouz> usser,  that would be difficult , because its not easy to access ..
[22:08] <tacone> so everything's fine now
[22:08] <asouz> usser,  but if its the only possibility
[22:08] <usser> asouz, well i dunno what else to suggest
[22:08] <asouz> highmem=true or something ?
[22:08] <usser> asouz, run memtest but its gonna take a long time
[22:09] <usser> asouz, nah no such thing as far as i know
[22:09] <asouz> ah great , its on the install cd right
[22:09] <usser> asouz, it should be on your hdd as well
[22:09] <xtknight> asouz, cat /proc/mtrr  out of curiosity?
[22:09] <nohelphere> i wish I knew what the issue was
[22:09] <usser> asouz, just ESC into grub when computer boots
[22:09] <nohelphere> kubuntu
[22:09] <nohelphere> !kubuntu
[22:09] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[22:09] <tacone> brb
[22:10] <asouz> xtknight, : hope i can paste 3 lines : reg00: base=0x00000000 (   0MB), size=2048MB: write-back, count=1
[22:10] <asouz> reg01: base=0x80000000 (2048MB), size=1024MB: write-back, count=1
[22:10] <asouz> reg02: base=0xc0000000 (3072MB), size= 256MB: write-back, count=1
[22:10] <pagan0ne> hey, i just got 888.04 up and running on the desktop, i imported my home from a old 7.10 install manually, and now i cant kdesu anything....
[22:10] <asouz>  thats 3277 excaT
[22:11] <asouz> looks like a kernel prob, perhaps i'll compile one myself
[22:11] <thompa> what the alternative to network manager cause it dont work?
[22:11] <xtknight> asouz, pastebin  sudo lshw -class memory
[22:12] <Pelo> tacone, still no work but at least now I'm sending to the correct folder
[22:13] <tacone> Pelo: create an empy file with a special name, then delete it, then locate it to know where it goes
[22:13] <thompa> now network manager comes back up, mind of its own i guess or slow
[22:13] <pagan0ne> and sudo wont work now either...
[22:14] <thompa> pagan0ne: hows sudo not work?
[22:14] <Pelo> tacone, that part is fine now ,  I delete to ~/.local/share/Trash no problem , but it won't let me "empty trash" and it doesn't show in the trashbin on the dektop
[22:14] <Agrajag-> g'day, after doing a dist-upgrade last week some time, apt-get operations are segfaulting. http://www.pastebin.ca/984032 - not sure how to resolve this?
[22:15] <pagan0ne> thompa, if i kdesu adept_manager, or try sudo adept_manager from konsole it asks for the password, then the program fails to launch, fails same way on all programs i try
[22:15] <AzaTht> if I where to update to hardy on my hp tx1270es, what would I expect?
[22:16] <kane77> AzaTht, probably 8.04
[22:16] <asouz> xtknight, argh i am looking for the pastebin command , dont know the package name
[22:16] <xtknight> !pastebin|asouz
[22:16] <ubotu> asouz: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[22:16] <xtknight> !info pastebinit | asouz
[22:16] <Pelo> tacone, ok half way there,  the desktop icon just does not update properly but and neither do the "empty trash" feature,   it updates if I open the trashbin by double clicking on it , maybe a rebootwould fix this by updating everyting but I'm gonna say I 'm good for now
[22:16] <ubotu> asouz: pastebinit (source: pastebinit): command-line pastebin client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 8 kB, installed size 84 kB
[22:17] <AzaTht> kane77: hehe, I meant, does anything that has been confirmed to work in gusty, not working in hardy
[22:17] <pagan0ne> thompa, while importing my home directory a issue caused me to log into as root, and set root a password in konsole ie sudo su, passwd ...
[22:17] <kane77> AzaTht, ;) generally hardy seems more stable and nicer than gutsy...
[22:17] <kane77> (for me)
[22:17] <AzaTht> k
[22:18] <tacone> Pelo: nice :)
[22:18] <Pelo> tacone, i'm restarting nautilus, maybe that will take care of it
[22:18] <kane77> for instance I couldn't get suspend and hibernate to work with gutsy, in hardy it works out of the box...
[22:18] <AzaTht> I'll try 8.04 and hope for the best ツ
[22:18] <Pelo> tacone,  that did it
[22:19] <Pelo> AzaTht, you are deluding yourseilf
[22:19] <usser> kane77, same here suspend works like a charm
[22:19] <asouz> xtknight, http://pastebin.com/f5c7b449
[22:19] <kane77> !worksforme | AzaTht
[22:19] <ubotu> AzaTht: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[22:19] <AzaTht> hehe
[22:20] <r00723r0> Hi, my video card drivers are messed up. Namely, I can't modprobe nvidia.
[22:20] <xtknight> asouz, uname -a
[22:20] <AzaTht> kane77: I'm using sid/experimental on this box, and it wfm
[22:20] <kane77> AzaTht, just so that you wouldn't sue me later :D
[22:20] <r00723r0> Any recommendations?
[22:20] <Wibble-> Ah hah - maybe I should have asked on here...
[22:20] <asouz> xtknight, http://pastebin.com/f70dcfe87
[22:20] <Pelo> r00723r0, not sure the kernel supports nividia yet but I might be wrong
[22:20] <kane77> usser, yes it is great to have suspend working...
[22:20] <r00723r0> ... The kernel doesn't support nvidia?
[22:20] <AzaTht> kane77: it's for my laptop, I never used it as it was running vista
[22:20] <r00723r0> That's so weird.
[22:20] <xtknight> asouz, sudo sh -c "echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online"
[22:21] <xtknight> asouz, i am not sure why CPU1 is offline
[22:21] <Wibble-> I've recently installed a new SATA DVD burner and Hardy at the same time.  Trying to burn a DVD using "growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/scd0 ." used to work with my EIDE burner and 7.10, but now does not produce DVD player compatible DVD's with the SATA burner and 8.04.  Is there something I need to be doing differently?
[22:21] <r00723r0> FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[22:21] <asouz> xtknight,  lshw says 8gb , did you see it ?
[22:21] <r00723r0> ^^ That's what it prints out.
[22:21] <xtknight> asouz, yes.  but two of your cpus are "off".  why?
[22:21] <r00723r0> I have no clue what that means, as this is the first time 've ever seen anything like it.
[22:21] <r00723r0> *I've
[22:21] <xtknight> asouz, esems weird.  but it would be nice to have a "dmesg" as well
[22:21] <pagan0ne> thompa, any ideas?
[22:21] <Lycus> Anyone have a guide for getting Flash/32-bit firefox to run on AMD64 Hardy?
[22:22] <Pelo> Wibble-, "finish" the dvd afterburning
[22:22] <asouz> sudo echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online
[22:22] <asouz> bash: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online: Permission denied
[22:22] <Wibble-> Lycus: there are guides for gutsy - do the same thing with hardy then do a link to the old plugins directory
[22:22] <xtknight> asouz, please use the command i posted
[22:22] <Tuv0k> Lycus, yeah, just run synaptic and install it
[22:22] <xtknight>  sudo sh -c "echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online"
[22:22] <asouz> xtknight,  dont know , but htop looks like they have 1-2% load
[22:22] <Tuv0k> !flash-nonfree
[22:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash-nonfree - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:22] <Tuv0k> !flash
[22:22] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[22:22] <xtknight> asouz,  unfortunately when you run wtihout sh-c, only echo gets sudo'd
[22:22] <Wibble-> Lycus: The only diff is that you have to ln -s with /usr/lib/firefox to /usr/lib/firefox-plugins
[22:22] <Lycus> Wibble-: o_O
[22:23] <Wibble-> Tuv0k: they won't work on 64-bit though, will they
[22:23] <Tuv0k> yes they will
[22:23] <usser> asouz, xtknight so what was the problem with memory?
[22:23] <Wibble-> odd - they didn't work for me...
[22:23] <xtknight> usser, haven't found out yet
[22:23] <Pelo> later
[22:23] <usser> oh
[22:23] <Wibble-> Anyway, Lycus, try what Tuv0k suggested first - and if that doesn't work, I can explain what I did yesturday ;)
[22:23] <r00723r0> Can anyone help?
[22:23] <Pirate_Hunter> im trying to voip but the mic is quiet low and can be heard properly of course im also doing it from vbox running xp but that shouldnt be a problem, however how do i get good sound on mic?
[22:24] <Tuv0k> !Restricted |Lycus
[22:24] <ubotu> Lycus: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[22:24] <asouz> usser,  top and htop only show 3277 mb, but lshw shows 8gb and bios too
[22:24] <r00723r0> Nobody knows?
[22:24] <Lycus> Wibble-: All right, will try that out once I get my updates done.
[22:24] <xtknight> yeah lshw is more or less of a dump of the bios, while /proc/mtrr and friends show what the kernel sees
[22:24] <Lycus> r00723r0: what are you on about?
[22:25] <asouz> xtknight, great to know
[22:25] <Wibble-> r00723r0: Guess not ;)  I believe there is an nvidia channel somewhere
[22:25] <r00723r0> Lycus: I can't modprobe nvidia.
[22:25] <Tuv0k> 64bit is so not even an issue any longer
[22:25] <r00723r0> FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[22:25] <r00723r0> ^^ What it prints out.
[22:25] <Lycus> Tuv0k: Good to know.
[22:25] <xtknight> asouz, were you able to turn on cpu1?
[22:25] <Pirate_Hunter> how do i get microphone working in hardy i,e, actually picking my voice properly and loud
[22:25] <xtknight> asouz,  also given you have a quadcore i dont know why there isn't a cpu3.  it seems like your bios may be trouble (if you haven't flashed you may try this)
[22:25] <Wibble-> Tuv0k: why is that? flash-nonfree is only 32-bit - how can it work on 64-bit without nspluginwrapper?
[22:25] <Tuv0k> Lycus, check out the 64bit forums on ubuntuforums to see for yourself
[22:25] <xtknight> unless it works on windows
[22:25] <Kromonos> hi
[22:26]  * Wibble- goes to read the forums as well.
[22:26] <Tuv0k> !swf
[22:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:26] <asouz> xtknight, cpu1 is still marked as unclaimed after echoing to /proc , but it is running @ htop
[22:26] <r00723r0> This is retarded.
[22:26] <pagan0ne> thompa, sorry, closed the wrong konsole session :^
[22:26] <Kromonos> Ubuntu did complete freezes since update to kernel 2.6.24-15
[22:27] <Kromonos> what happend?
[22:27] <pagan0ne> thompa, if you come up with any ideas could you pm me, im gonna be afk for a bit... food
[22:27] <Tuv0k> Wibble-, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWF
[22:27] <xtknight> asouz, full post of dmesg please?
[22:27] <asouz> xtknight, http://pastebin.com/f549f099
[22:28] <Tuv0k> Lycus, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476924 if you must
[22:29] <Lycus> Tuv0k: Will that work for Hardy?
[22:29] <Tuv0k> yes
[22:29] <xtknight> asouz, it says allocating pci resources at 3392 MB
[22:29] <Tuv0k> I've had flash working on my 64bit box longer than I can remember
[22:29] <xtknight> hmmm
[22:29] <xtknight> odd
[22:29] <asouz> xtknight,  i think its an "old" intel southbridge which should be supported by the kernel already, i think its ICH6
[22:29] <asouz> jep
[22:30] <xtknight> i got 4 GB/64bit and my pci alloc starts at 3584
[22:30] <Wibble-> I should say that guide did not work for me on 64bit hardy
[22:30] <Tuv0k> even have flash with pulse audio on my 64bit Hardy
[22:30] <xtknight> yet i show 3962 total memory
[22:30] <xtknight> hmm
[22:30] <xtknight> m
[22:30] <Tuv0k> Any guide I cared to use, worked for me
[22:30] <asouz> i dont understand , it remaps above the pci area , i thought
[22:31] <Tuv0k> various users, various results
[22:31] <xtknight> asouz, i thuoght so too.
[22:31] <asouz> xtknight,  i can compile a kernel quickly
[22:31] <xtknight> asouz, if you do, try enable highmem 64gb support
[22:31] <asouz> xtknight, enabling some highmem features perhaps
[22:31] <Tuv0k> but with Hardy, everything you need is in the repos
[22:32] <overridex> my numpad is moving my mouse cursor instead of being a numpad... anyone know how to turn this off?
[22:32] <xtknight> asouz, seems like some acpi problems #
[22:32] <xtknight> #
[22:32] <xtknight> [   23.232126] ACPI Warning (tbutils-0217): Incorrect checksum in table [OEMB] -  C0, should be B1 [20070126]
[22:32] <Tuv0k> !flashplugin-nonfree
[22:33] <Tuv0k> Hardy Heron sudo apt-get-install flashplugin-nonfree right there on the page
[22:33] <xtknight> asouz, i also notice your Policy Mode is DMA32.  mine is "Normal" ???
[22:34] <Adys> is it a reasonable idea to remove ubuntu-docs if i never use the help files, or does it contain more than just that?
[22:34] <asouz> xtknight, dma32 is bad
[22:34] <xtknight> asouz, anyway i gotta go but i'd be interested to hear if you have a solution later.  #linux might have some clue
[22:34] <asouz> kk
[22:35] <Wibble-> Tuv0k: I'm just trying to understand what I might have done wrong.  Did your set-up install the firefox plugins in /usr/lib/firefox-plugins ? My hardy reads them from there (perhaps its a later beta of FF3?) yet the standard scripts install the plugin in /usr/lib/firefox so I needed to do an additional symlink to get it working
[22:35] <nicco> is this channel for kubuntu+1 too?
[22:36] <Adys> yes nicco
[22:36] <nicco> ok
[22:36] <Tuv0k> Wibble-, I'm not able to login to my 64bit box, but I had to do nothing extra. Not one thing, no ln -s nothing
[22:36] <Wibble-> fair enough
[22:37] <Tuv0k> that was with any browser I chose to use
[22:37] <Tuv0k> but then again, my 64bit box has not had a clean install in about three version of ubuntu
[22:37] <Tuv0k> I don't clean install
[22:37] <Tuv0k> I did have to remove ndiswrapper as it was no longer required
[22:38] <cycom> anyone else experiencing a hang of Xorg after resume from suspend?
[22:38] <Tuv0k> I don't clean install
[22:39] <Tuv0k> cycom, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=wHp&q=hang+of+Xorg+after+resume+from+suspend%3F&btnG=Search
[22:39] <Tuv0k> cycom, search google first
[22:39] <Tuv0k> first hit
[22:39] <Tuv0k> bug 43625
[22:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 "Restarting Xorg after suspend causes system to hang." [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43625
[22:40] <nicco> Just installed kubuntu on a laptop. Added restricted-extras and nvidia-glx, but i can't have my nvidia card recognized. What to do or to look for?
[22:40] <Tuv0k> nicco, enable the glx driver
[22:40] <cycom> Tuv0k: I was googling for 100% CPU usage rather than suspend :/
[22:40] <Agrajag-> g'day, after doing a upgrade last week some time, apt-get operations are segfaulting. http://www.pastebin.ca/984032 - not sure how to resolve this?
[22:41] <Tuv0k> cycom, I googled your question as asked here
[22:41] <nicco> Tuv0k: how do I do it? I can't remember having done this on previous releases
[22:41] <cycom> Tuv0k: I was just saying that I made a mistake.
[22:42] <Tuv0k> I know, I was just saying how to avoid one
[22:43] <Wibble-> nicco: Go to System -> Administration, hardware drivers
[22:43] <nicco> ok Wibble-  thanks
[22:44] <Tuv0k> nicco, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[22:44] <nicco> thanks Tuv0k
[22:44] <Tuv0k> np
[22:45] <Tuv0k> nicco, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[22:45] <cycom> hrm, that bug seems to be that it hangs on LOGOUT after suspend to ram as well
[22:45] <Pirate_Hunter> has anyone done voip through hardy if they have how did they improve mic?
[22:46] <cycom> mine hangs as soon as I try to resume...
[22:47] <Lycus> Would it be possible to install 32-bit Ubuntu to a flash drive from 64-bit ubuntu?
[22:48] <Vorbote> Pirate_Hunter: that depends very much on your hardware and the channels it provides. Some experimentation (and judicious use of a search engine) will go a long way.
[22:48] <sourcemaker> how can I change the kicker layout like apple?
[22:48] <Lycus> the flashplugin-nonfree packaged worked fine for me in amd64 btw
[22:48] <AboSamoor> how can i fix the problem with iwlwifi , iwl3945 driver ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/185470
[22:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185470 in linux "iwl3945 not functioning : microcode error" [Unknown,In progress]
[22:48] <Lycus> package*
[22:48] <Tuv0k> Lycus, dunno why you would want to ? But no
[22:48] <Lycus> Tuv0k: To have a portable linux.
[22:49] <Tuv0k> Lycus, http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
[22:53] <Pirate_Hunter> Vorbote: hmm I have messed around with settings to try and improve my sound and eliminate echo on the other end
[22:53] <Pirate_Hunter> Vorbote: i have managed to minimise it but it seems then other end says there is noise, i dont know if it is the network or me
[22:56] <AzaTht> nvidia-kernel-common spits out a warning that update-modules should not be used
[22:56] <CoasterMaster> where can I get the daily ISOs for Hardy?
[22:57] <pagan0ne> anyone have any ideas on why my kdesu and my sudo both dont work? they ask for a password, and dont run the program without any error message
[22:57] <CoasterMaster> wait found it, I don't know why I didn't see the link
[22:59] <vistakiller> paganOne is work to me fine
[22:59] <vistakiller> i think is now kdesudo
[23:00] <pagan0ne> vistakiller, i know it works fine for you, but it doesnt work at all for me, i was trying to import my old home directory from another drive for 7.10, and  su'ed to root, passwd changed root's password, and thats when it stopped working..
[23:01] <pagan0ne> vistakiller, kdesudo doesnt work for me either
[23:01] <Tuv0k> there are no "daily" ISOs
[23:01] <Tuv0k> as there are no daily betas
[23:02] <Killeroid> Tuv0k: sure, there are
[23:02] <Killeroid> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[23:02] <Killeroid> daily builds
[23:03] <Tuv0k> thats just silly
[23:03] <Killeroid> not really
[23:03] <Tuv0k> I stand corrected
[23:03] <Tuv0k> seems a waste of time
[23:03] <Tuv0k> updates are a cmd string away
[23:04] <RAOF> Tuv0k: But you can't test the installer from an update :)
[23:04] <Killeroid> exactly
[23:04] <Tuv0k> aye, the installer
[23:04] <Tuv0k> I don't use the installer , my bag
[23:05] <AzaTht> Tuv0k: you might not always have direct net access to the computer
[23:05] <Killeroid> that too
[23:05] <Tuv0k> have not seen the installer in a long time
[23:06] <Tuv0k> Last time I used an installer was a xubuntu alt cd, and it did not even work
[23:08]  * Tuv0k daily isos...
[23:08] <AzaTht> Tuv0k: yes?
[23:09] <Tuv0k> Just still puzzles me is all
[23:09] <nicco> nvidia graphics driver now enabled and seems to work, but it seems that it can't recognize my screen size!  Had to reboot in safe graphics mode in order to come here again
[23:09] <AzaTht> I still remember when I got warcraft 2 on 39 1.44 discs
[23:09] <Tuv0k> nicco, there is a screen resolution app, and always nvidia-xconfig
[23:10] <mio_> will xubuntu be lts or just ubuntu?
[23:10] <Tuv0k> :)
[23:10] <nicco> Tuv0k: if you mean the one in system settings it only sees a 800x600 screen, while it is 1400x800
[23:10] <willie> I have a problem installing Hardy on a Sun Blade 100 -- no keybd option for sun6 usb -- is this the best place to ask?
[23:10] <Tuv0k> mio_, its still ubuntu
[23:11] <pagan0ne> hrm, still perplexed asto why sudo, kdesu, and kdesudo ask for a password but wont launch the program
[23:11] <Tuv0k> mio_, it will be lts as well
[23:11] <Tuv0k> mio_, check the website
[23:11] <Tuv0k> willie, yes
[23:11] <AzaTht> you'll have to ask on #ubuntu+1+sun+blade++100
[23:11] <Tuv0k> ha
[23:12] <boolka> I installed 8.04 on my laptop which is connected to tv through Svideo cable. When I press power button on laptop and function + svideo out, i see the pic on tv. When it all loads up to the screen where im asked to enter user and pass, it turns of and i see image only on laptop, and cant get it to show anything on tv after that. How can this be fixed?
[23:12] <willie> OK what keybd option should I choose cos sun5 gives weird and not so wonderful results
[23:13] <DanaG> Try other random keyboards, perhaps.
[23:15] <DanaG> Model settings, not physical keyboards, I mean.
[23:15] <Tuv0k> mio_, drect your queries to the channel not me
[23:16] <Tuv0k> this way you can get group correction
[23:16] <willie> I have to - the sun6 is the only usb kybd I have
[23:16] <Tuv0k> mio_, if its 8.04 its LTS dude, no matter the first letter in the ubuntu variant
[23:16] <Tuv0k> read
[23:17] <Tuv0k> well, I'm wrong again!
[23:17] <Tuv0k> sheesh
[23:17] <mio_> so kubuntu is no lts?
[23:17] <Tuv0k> it was decided by Canonical that Kubuntu 8.04 would not be a Long Term Support (LTS) release.
[23:17] <mio_> yes
[23:17] <Tuv0k> nope
[23:17] <Tuv0k> wow
[23:17] <mio_> and my question was how they technically do that
[23:18] <mio_> just dont release kde related updates or what?
[23:18] <Tuv0k> they just don't answer the phone when you mention K
[23:18] <willie> cos KDE4 is not ready for primetime
[23:18] <willie> in their eyes
[23:18] <willie> and I believe them
[23:18] <Tuv0k> mio_, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu
[23:18] <mio_> but kubuntu uses the same kernel upgrades as ubuntu?
[23:18] <Tuv0k> yup
[23:19] <mio_> so there will be like 3 years kernel updaets even for kubuntu
[23:19] <mio_> ?
[23:19] <Tuv0k> if you love KDE that much, I'd choose another distro, just my .02
[23:19] <Tuv0k> mio_, join #kubuntu
[23:19] <mio_> there is no other distro with apt
[23:20] <Tuv0k> lol
[23:20] <Tuv0k> plenty other apt based distros
[23:20] <mio_> yeah
[23:20] <RAOF> mio_: Apart from _Debian_ (and other Debian derived distros).
[23:20] <Tuv0k> try http://www.distrowatch
[23:20] <mio_> debian is outdated
[23:20] <Tuv0k> lol
[23:20] <Tuv0k> how cute
[23:20] <mio_> and opensuse and zypper and yum are slow
[23:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> debian is what?
[23:20] <Tuv0k> lol
[23:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> mio_: do your research and get back to us.
[23:21] <Tuv0k> plz
[23:21] <mio_> what?
[23:21] <mio_> debian testing does not include kde
[23:21] <mio_> 4
[23:21] <fade_> hey I was wondering if anyone could help?
[23:21] <mio_> nor does etch
[23:21] <mio_> so
[23:21] <Tuv0k> !ask |fade_
[23:21] <ubotu> fade_: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[23:21] <mio_> there is just kubuntu
[23:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's because debian is on a longer release schedule
[23:21] <mio_> 1,5 years
[23:21] <mio_> i know
[23:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's designed for stability, NOT bleeding edge.
[23:22] <fade_> I have a problem when I have a full screen application and then it goes to a window and I can't do anything alt-tab doesnt work or anything can anyone help me?
[23:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> hence, no kde4
[23:22] <Tuv0k> mio_, http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html
[23:22] <mio_> thats why i choose kubuntu
[23:22] <Tuv0k> mio_, does google service your area? :-P
[23:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> okay, that's cool, but don't spread misinformation about other distros
[23:22] <mio_> tuv0k kde 4 is in experimental
[23:22] <Tuv0k> plz
[23:22] <mio_> that is not what i want to have
[23:22] <Tuv0k> and?
[23:22] <mio_> too unstable?
[23:22] <Tuv0k> then stop asking about it
[23:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> so use kubuntu, no one is stopping you
[23:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> kde4 is unstable anyway
[23:23] <Tuv0k> ^^^^
[23:23] <mio_> then dont say there are other good apt distros with kde4
[23:23] <mio_> lol
[23:23]  * Tuv0k cheese n rice
[23:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> err...  no one said there was
[23:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> it was only said that there are other distros
[23:24] <mio_> of course there are other distros
[23:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> so where's the issue?
[23:24]  * Tuv0k this kid is approaching troll status
[23:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> you aren't making a damn bit of sense here.  say what you're trying to say already
[23:26] <Lycus> hooray for bugs...
[23:26] <DanaG> Is there any way to get ntfs-3g to stop repeatedly load-cycling my external hard drive?
[23:26] <Lycus> login window fails to start on hardy beta 64bit
[23:27] <Lycus> gdmsetup, more specifically
[23:29] <Tuv0k> Lycus, join #ubuntu-bugs
[23:34] <Killeroid> Lycus: just noticed that on hardy beta i686
[23:36] <Lycus> Killeroid: it loaded-up for me eventually
[23:36] <Lycus> just... took a bit
[23:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> i think i'm going to give up and just do a fresh install of hardy when it goes final
[23:37] <Killeroid> Lycus: yeah, it loads up after 5 minutes
[23:37] <jessica_lilly> how is hardy doing now last time i tryed it there was still quite a few bugs
[23:37] <Adys> Hey, can anyone who's done a full update recently try opening synaptic and ordering all packages by Ubuntu support (second column) ?
[23:37] <Adys> it should freeze synaptic
[23:37] <Adys> at least here it does
[23:38] <jessica_lilly> i beleve there is a fix to the synaptic freezing isnt there im sure i read it on a site someware
[23:39] <Adys> a fix? this is happening only since yesterday top :P
[23:40] <jessica_lilly> synaptic is only freezing sins yesterday i dnt know i just know its been happerning to a lot of peopel
[23:41] <jessica_lilly> *people
[23:48] <kromonos> hi
[23:48] <Tuv0k> had no idea synaptic was freezing
[23:48] <Tuv0k> there will always be bugs, so long as there are ppl to file them
[23:49] <kromonos> after an upgrade yesterday, I have problems with total freezes
[23:49] <jessica_lilly> ive hird of that as well
[23:49] <kromonos> system is running with x 2 minutes
[23:49] <kromonos> than it freeze total
[23:49] <Tuv0k> my systems run flawlessly
[23:49] <kromonos> bevore I upgraded kernel yesterday there were no problems
[23:50] <kromonos> so
[23:50] <Tuv0k> although xmms2d has been acting weird
[23:50] <kromonos> how can I downgrade kernel?
[23:50] <Tuv0k> kromonos, reboot and choose the kernel you were using
[23:51] <kromonos> yes, but there are just 2.6.22 and the "new" 2.6.24
[23:51] <kromonos> but I saw, that it was just e recompiled update from 2.6.24
[23:51] <kromonos> updated from 2.6.24-xy to 2.6.24-15
[23:51] <Tuv0k> I told you how
[23:52] <Tuv0k> just choose the kernel you prefer from the grub  menu
[23:52] <recon69> ﻿kromonos: at boot up you should be able to select the kernel you boot with
[23:52] <sparr_> are there supported upgrade methods that do not involve a GUI?
[23:53] <kromonos> Tuv0k: no way to boot with older version from 2.6.24?
[23:55] <Pirate_Hunter_> if i installed my dsl on hd using frugal install will my programs be remembered in /tmp or do i have to save them elsewhere or will they be in hda2?
[23:55] <histo> Any reason firefox would be laggy scrolling in hardy vs. gutsy?
[23:56] <Pirate_Hunter_> histo firefox 3 is doing good here not laggy i like it even knowing i miss soem of my old extensions
[23:56] <histo> I was running compiz fusion in gutsy with all kinds of extra effects etc... but in hardy with just normal settings its really crappy.
[23:56] <histo> Like if I try to scroll its all jittery.  Almost like if you have an nvidia card using the nv drivers.
[23:56] <Pirate_Hunter_> histo if your running compiz with many effects it will slow down the pc and also ff that probably explains the laginess
[23:57] <histo> I'm not now this is just a fresh install haven't played with anything.
[23:57] <histo> I noticed the latest update of ff atleast helped with it sucking 100% cpu all the time.
[23:58] <recon69> ﻿histo: have you enabled the drivers for you graphics card?
[23:59] <histo> I have an intel 915
[23:59] <Tuv0k> it amazes me how there are such issues. I can't be lucky?