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* asac *yawns*12:15
asacbug 14123012:26
ubotuLaunchpad bug 141230 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all "need Ukrainian (uk) packaged" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14123012:26
asacfta: miro 1.2 takes 6 seconds on first run and 2 seconds on subsequent runs to startup here :)14:15
tymofiyhi there.14:49
tymofiyI am looking at ukrainian tralslation of Firefox ans Xulrunner and have a question14:49
tymofiywhy if there is a translation for the string and it is the only suggestion, the line still counts as untranslated?14:50
asactymofiy: because its not the real translation14:56
asactymofiy: most likely  ... we have some situation where the import could do better so it might even be the real translation14:57
asacbut automatically taking a translation if there is only one suggestion is definitly not right ;)14:57
tymofiyI as a translator of Fx can confirm that in the cases where there was only one suggestion so far it was right.14:58
asachard to explain the detail. has to do with how we try to resolve ambiguities. its doesn't work for all unfortunatley ;)14:58
asactymofiy: yeah. but there are cases that are wrong14:58
asaci found them when confirming th esuggestions for german14:58
tymofiyok, the only way is to browse through all of them?14:59
asactymofiy: no you can filter "untranslated"14:59
asacand just do those14:59
tymofiylook, e.g. "Located in en-US.xpi/en-US.jar!/locale/browser/browser.dtd(reloadCmd.commandkey)"14:59
asacyes?15:00
tymofiyin uk in /browser/browser.dtd(reloadCmd.commandkey there is just one value15:00
tymofiyis there a way to import it into launchpad?15:00
asactymofiy: the import is already done15:00
asactymofiy: problem is that our import is not yet perfect. this you have to go over it and approve the right suggestions15:01
tymofiycurrently I do not have the right to approve,only to suggest.15:01
tymofiycan you fix it>15:01
tymofiy?15:01
asacno ... i had to become a german translator by asking the translation team admin15:01
asacand even the launchpad team had no power to do that gracefully15:02
tymofiyso I should contact our main translator, right?15:02
asactymofiy: write the admins of the uk translation a mail ... CC me15:02
tymofiyok.15:02
tymofiybtw, I filed bugs on Thunderbird and Calendar too15:03
asactymofiy: if there are more than one admin for uk ... write to all15:03
tymofiyi know the guy, thanks :)15:03
tymofiyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/21673615:04
asactymofiy: ill review the state of translations mid of week and whitelist those for launchpad import that are good enough15:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 216736 in sunbird-locales "missing locale: Ukrainian (uk)" [Undecided,New]15:04
asacthe rest will be using the .xpi's15:04
tymofiyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/21673215:04
asacbut launchpad is good and i'd like to get as many translations out of it15:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 216732 in thunderbird-locales "missing locale: Ukrainian (uk)" [Undecided,New]15:04
* asac notes down15:04
tymofiythanks, so no action from me needed on Tb, Sb. And the time to square out Fx is til... when?15:05
asactymofiy: is there a uk translation for ubufox?15:06
asac(e.g. did you submit one to saivann when he called for submission)?15:06
tymofiyI havent done it so there is a good chance there is not.15:06
tymofiyI just hang out with moz guys, sorry.15:07
tymofiycan you share a link?15:07
asacyeah15:07
asacfor what?15:07
tymofiyubufox15:07
tymofiylaunchpad translation15:07
asacah15:07
asacwon't be in launchpad for hardy15:07
asactymofiy: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Easac/ubufox/main15:08
asacthen add your translation in there and submit either a diff or push the branch to your launchpad account so i can merge15:08
asacits basically just a locale/ directory15:08
asacwith just a hand full of translatable strings15:08
asacis that good enough? or do you want me to send you the .xpi?15:08
* tymofiy checks out ubufox15:09
asactymofiy: i pushed the latest crack to ubufox branch now ... rev7815:14
asacno string changes though15:14
tymofiyhow to update in bzr?15:15
asactymofiy: just bzr pull15:15
* tymofiy translates into locale/uk-UA directory.15:18
tymofiyI'll send you a diff15:18
asactymofiy: i think just locale/uk would be enough15:18
tymofiyok15:18
asaci think we should use the same code used in upstream translations15:18
asachowver, now i see that i was not really careful about it15:18
tymofiyyeah :)15:18
* asac wonders if we have issues for those languages now :/15:18
asactymofiy: remember to edit chome.manifest as well when you are done15:22
asactymofiy: you can use build.sh to build a .xpi to test15:22
tymofiyhow to submit file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales-ubuntu/index-uk.html  ?15:25
asactymofiy: those .properties are not used. at best keep the value that is in en-US15:26
asactymofiy: thats an alternative that will point to the right file depending on what language you have selected as default language in ubuntu language selector15:27
tymofiyI see that other locales localised the two props there.15:27
tymofiyand in file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales/ live localized homepages15:27
asactymofiy: yeah. thats superfluous .. won't be used15:27
asactymofiy: well ... index-uk.html should be submitted15:28
asactymofiy: but that is independent from ubufox15:28
asactymofiy: if you remember me tomorrow i give you a clue how to do that15:28
asaci currently have no idea who really maintains that (well .. i forgot :)15:28
tymofiyok.15:29
asactymofiy: most likely the translation team lead knows that as well15:29
armin76hrm...15:37
armin76does it happen for all that the download finished popup shows up in the taskbar and not in the browser area?15:38
asacarmin76: its a notification15:38
asacits on the desktop not in the app for me15:38
armin76yeah...15:39
armin76any way to change that?15:39
asacprobably, but why change?15:40
armin76lol15:40
armin76because i don't get noticed :P15:40
armin76i'm using kde15:40
armin76so the taskbar is down15:40
armin76at the bottom, that is15:41
asaci have taskbar also down here on gnome15:41
armin76yeah, but its not big enough, is it?15:41
* armin76 looks15:41
asacarmin76: for me its a notification that pops up _above_ the panel15:41
armin76yes15:42
asace.g. not overlaying the panel ... but stacked on top15:42
armin76ah, avobe?15:42
armin76cool, then in kde it doesn't...15:42
asacits a bubble thing15:42
armin76on fluxbox its avobe as well...15:42
asacmost likely kde doesn't support libnotification which is used15:42
asackde has always been crap imo :-P15:43
asacand actually kde devs are childish and don't even discuss firefox things here15:43
asacthey appear to think that every kde user will use konqueror15:43
armin76lol15:43
armin76well, thing is that ff2 worked fine :P15:43
asacyeah ... imo its childish15:43
asaci approached kubuntu folks multiple times about "better kde integration" ... only response i got was "not really important for use"15:44
asacarmin76: yeah ... ff3 now uses libnotification15:44
armin76asking our kde guy15:48
tymofiyasac: uk ubufox diff sent to you15:53
armin76asac: http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/ff3kde.png15:54
shirishasac: you there m8?15:59
asacshirish: whats up?16:01
shirishhey :)16:01
shirishok the issue is ff3 crashes many a times due to firebug16:01
asacarmin76: yeah ... a bug in notification impl of kde16:01
shirishand this is known issue for firebug16:01
asacshirish: yes, its incompatible with adblock in some way afaik16:01
asacshirish: and noscript16:02
asacif you have them try to disable them16:02
shirishasac: there is also b12 which fixes the issue16:02
shirishasac: any possibility of getting b12 of firebug into firefox16:02
asacshirish: who is firebug contact?16:03
asacon firefox3extension wiki page16:03
asacthere should be an entry16:03
shirishasac: hang on16:03
asacif someone updates the bzr branch we can get it in most likely16:03
asacbut hurry ;)16:03
shirishasac: firebug is by somebody named Joe Hewitt16:04
shirishasac: http://www.getfirebug.com/releases/firebug/1.1/firebug-1.1.0b12.xpi16:05
shirishasac: and on firefox addons page https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/184316:06
shirishasac: wasn't jazzva packing the extensions for you guys?16:06
asacshirish: no16:06
asaci want to know who is the ubuntu contact16:06
asaccontact him ;)16:06
shirishthe ubuntu contact, okie dokie16:06
asacmaybe its jazzva16:06
shirishIts somebody named Jared Greenwald16:07
asacshirish: CC me in your mail16:07
asacjetsaredim: ^^16:07
asacupdate firebug?16:07
shirishok will do16:07
asacfixes crashes ;)16:07
asacits jetsaredim :)16:07
shirishasac: still will send the mail, this way its there.16:08
shirishasac: done :)16:12
asacthx16:22
asacshirish: what version is in the archive?16:22
shirishasac: 1.1.b1116:23
shirishasac: ah, didn't give the changelog, ok will attach it16:23
asacshirish: we also need a bug documenting that it crashes16:28
asacwhich we can use in changelog16:29
asacand maybe a diff of the code16:29
shirishasac: hang on, I'm not that advanced16:29
asacshirish: leave alone the diff then ;)16:34
shirishasac: thanx ;)16:34
asacjetsaredim: can attach it before uploading16:34
ftahi17:49
ftaasac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6917/17:50
fta<asac> fta: do we want to support parallel checkouts?17:51
fta<asac> i doubt that we want to allow parallel execution in mozclient.mk17:51
ftawhat do you mean ?17:52
asacfta: see what i committed ;)17:55
asac.NOTPARALLEL17:55
asacfta: hmm ... i really think that main development happens on 1.2 branch for now17:55
asacnot trunk17:56
fta? it's really moving in trunk. the ui has been updated17:57
asacfta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6918/17:57
asacthats 1.217:57
asacfta: what size does your database have?17:58
asac/home/fta/.miro/sqlitedb17:58
asacß17:58
fta19MB17:58
asacmine is 111718417:58
asacmaybe that makes the difference?17:58
asacwhats stored in there?17:58
ftahuge hexa strings18:00
ftaasac, why was .NOTPARALLEL needed anyway ?18:13
asacotherwise the sequence of things would break if you make -j518:14
asacfor instance18:14
ftawho will ever make -f debian/rules -j5 get-orig-source ???18:15
asacdoesn't matter ;) ... it would break :)18:16
asacsome people have MAKEFLAGS=-j5 set18:16
cheguevara_my quad xeon server :P18:18
ftai'm not even sure it will break18:20
ftabut i don't mind18:20
ftapff miro crashed18:20
asacfta: $(MOZCLIENT_TARGET): $(MOZ_CLIENT) $(MOZCLIENT_TMP)/$(MOZCLIENT_STAMP) mozclient-checkout mozclient-remove-bin mozclient-pack18:22
asacthat would be executed in parallel18:22
asacso i guess it falis18:22
asaclike remove-bin without ceckout18:22
ftamiro crashed, again19:04
ftaasac, both ff3 and sm2 crash 100% on http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/04/12/whats-on-tonight-nascar-suze-orman-saturday-night-live/19:24
ftain flash19:25
ftasm1 doesn't19:26
asacfta: null deref?19:26
asacor no readable stack?19:26
ftano readable stack19:26
ftahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6923/19:27
asacfta: try without flashsupport please19:27
ftadpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of libflashsupport:19:30
fta flashplugin-nonfree depends on libflashsupport.19:30
asacfta: move away libflashsupport.so19:31
asacsomewhere where the runtime linker cannot find it19:31
ftawell, why sm1 is not crashing then ?19:32
ftait's the same flash setup19:32
asacbroken things can behave different if the code changes outside19:32
asacfta: please test19:33
ftathe stack is similar with my sm2, which is not using xul sdk19:33
asacits the same xul though19:33
ftayes19:34
asacso makes sense19:34
asacbut please try if libflashsupport contributes to this desaster ;)19:34
ftayep, it crashes too19:48
asacok19:53
asacalso with upstream builds=19:53
asaclet me check19:53
asacif i see it at all19:53
* asac installs flash19:53
asacwell in fact i don't have that crash19:54
asacplease try b5. maybe its a regressoin19:54
asacjust visit that site?19:54
asacor do anything?19:54
ftayep19:55
asacwhat yep? regression? or do anything?19:55
asacor just visit site?19:56
ftavisit the url and wait19:56
asacok ... i keep it open19:56
asacnot yet crashed19:56
asachehe flashblock ;)19:57
asacok restarted with it disabled19:57
asacnothing19:57
asaca bunch of flash files playing19:57
asacbut no crash19:57
ftaI don't have any addon in sm219:57
ftayet it crashes19:57
asacfta: can you please check if you see it in  b5?19:58
asaci don't have any crash here :(19:58
ftanot now, i'm on something else19:58
asack19:59
cheguevara_fta, nvidia driver by any chance?20:00
ftayes20:00
cheguevara_its got weird problems20:01
cheguevara_https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/21264820:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 212648 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[nvidia-new] a visit to http://www.themareks.com/xf/ in firefox hardy causes X to restart" [Medium,Confirmed]20:01
cheguevara_like that20:01
asaci aint have nvidia installed here20:02
asaccheguevara_: can you reproduce?20:02
cheguevara_neither do i20:02
cheguevara_pure intel here :P20:02
asacJazzva: hi21:26
Jazzvaasac: Hello ...21:28
asac:)21:28
JazzvaI'm merging with ubuntu-dev branch now ... Forgot to commit after merging, and now it's a mess :sighs:...21:28
Jazzva*now, again...21:28
asacJazzva: yay .... merge excersize21:28
JazzvaYes :) ... Though, it takes a while while it downloads all the commits :).21:29
JazzvaAnd I also had problems with my swap dri21:30
Jazzvawith my swap drive ... Somehow, it got lost from fstab in today's update (I think it was my mistake)... So, I saw what happens when you don't have a swap :)...21:30
asacJazzva: hehe? what happens?21:32
asachow much mem do you have?21:32
JazzvaBTW, one question before commiting this ... What's the deal with Iceweasel? Do I mention it in desktop files, or not? (It is not mentioned in the XPI.TEMPLATE)21:33
asacor do you refer to hibernate?21:33
asacJazzva: no need to mention that21:33
asacit just confuses users21:33
Jazzva512 MB... It was fun watching my mouse blocking all along .... and then gnome-panel was killed :)21:33
asaci think we already talke about that the other day ;)21:33
asacok ... 512 might deserve some swap21:33
JazzvaIt took a while for Firefox to resume from program bar :)21:33
JazzvaThere's 1GB of swap, just in case :). So, it works fine when it's there... This was a problem (hopefully) I made...21:34
asacyeah sounds strange that it got wiped from your fstab during upgrade21:34
JazzvaIt replaced my drives in fstab with uuid, so I changed it back to /dev/drive naming... It is possible that I accidentaly erased parts of line for swap drive...21:36
asacJazzva: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/ubufox.xpi now opens firefox-2 mime type when run in firefox 221:36
asacbut i haven't tested at all :)21:36
asacfirefox 2 :)21:36
JazzvaOk ... I'll check extensions for that :)... (almost forgot)21:37
JazzvaI don't think I have firefox 2 :)...21:37
asacJazzva: just add the same mime-type with a -2 appended21:37
Jazzvafor few months, now21:37
Jazzvaright21:37
asacJazzva: just check if its getting installed in firefox/extensions/21:37
asacthen add it deliberately21:37
asacno need to test imo21:37
Jazzvahmm, well I expect most of the extensions are compatible with FF2... (except those FF3 only, like Weave, but we don't have that...)21:38
Jazzvaright?21:38
asacJazzva: most likely. however, only those that actually install themself in /usr/lib/firefox/extensions should be added21:38
asacbut i guess those are all21:38
Jazzvabrowsing the code ... again :)21:39
JazzvaBTW, is online code browsing not working again? (at bazaar.lp.net)21:44
* asac looks21:47
asacJazzva: yeah ... downish for me too21:47
JazzvaWhole afternoon it stays at "Waiting for bazaar.launchpad.net..."21:47
Jazzvadamn ... Hmm, downloading the sources :sighs:...21:48
asacJazzva: its pretty quick nowadays imo21:48
asacif you branch through http at least21:48
JazzvaHmm, I'm still merging through http :)...21:49
JazzvaThough, this has a lot of commits. That may be the reason why it's slow21:49
asacJazzva: i think the branch still has old format21:51
JazzvaOh ... ok21:51
asacthe default format since 1.0 is pack-0.92 ... which is really fast21:51
asacJazzva: what does bzr info show you?21:52
asachttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6932/21:52
asacthats a "modern" branch21:52
Jazzvahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6934/21:54
Jazzvait's different21:54
asacJazzva: yeah ... really old thing21:55
asacnot even the one before pack-0.9221:55
asacill kick mvo to upgrade that branch21:55
asaci did that once for other branches ... but apparently he forgot21:55
Jazzva:)21:59
Jazzvaasac: Can I rely solely on Depends field in debian/control for FF2/FF3 compatibility?22:02
asacJazzva: take a quick look at .install and .link files22:03
asacJazzva: or simply install the package and check with dpkg -L22:04
JazzvaAnd for those prepared with xpi.mk?22:04
asacJazzva: they are all in firefox22:05
asacunless someone overwrites that in rules22:05
JazzvaOh, ok :)22:05
asacJazzva:22:05
asac#        MOZ_XPI_MOZILLA_DIRS (DEFAULT=firefox-addons firefox):22:05
asacthats the option that an extension needs to set in rules ... otherwise it gets installed for ffox 3 and ffox 222:05
asaciirc there is no extensoin doing that so far22:06
JazzvaI'll check debian/control22:06
asacJazzva: you want me to help you in some way?22:19
JazzvaWell, everything is pretty much done...22:19
asacreally?22:19
asaccool!22:19
JazzvaI'm just removing the Iceweasel from .desktop files22:19
asacJazzva: how many extensions do we have now?22:19
JazzvaAnd need to grab the icons from sources22:19
Jazzva3422:20
asacyeah cool22:20
asachow many ffox 3?22:20
Jazzvadunno :)... ~30?22:20
asacthats good22:20
JazzvaI suppose :)22:20
JazzvaI think Mozilla team did a great job for this release ;)22:21
JazzvaFF3, lots of extensions :)...22:21
asacgiven how cumbersome it is to figure out sources and licensing22:21
asacyeah ... i am sure its great ;)22:21
asacjust a little unfortunate that we release like 2 days before RC1 is out22:22
JazzvaStill can't make myself to e-mail all contributors for better gmail2 to ask for licenses... And I would like to see that pkg in ubuntu :)22:22
asacwould have been better to release RC1 instead of beta 522:22
asacfrom the press side22:22
asacbut hopefully the positive comments willl outweight the negative ones22:22
JazzvaHopefully...22:22
asacbut well ... at least there is this reuters link :)22:23
JazzvaReally? Where :)?22:23
asachttp://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSN204126652008032022:23
asacthey declared it ready for prime time22:24
asacno idea if they did that to be nice to us as they knew that we committed to ship ffox 322:24
JazzvaI'll put that biofox is compat with FF3 and wait for the bugreport :). It shows the sidebar, but I have no clue about some DNA sequences it uses, so I can't see if it's really working :)22:24
asac"In many ways it (Firefox 3) is much more stable than anything else out there," Mozilla Corp Vice President of Engineering Mike Schroepfer said in an interview.22:24
asacthats worth gold22:24
asacat least to give backup that ffox 3 is ready for distros inclusion22:24
asacJazzva: hehe22:25
asacyeah ... keep biofox then22:25
Jazzvareading the article ...22:25
JazzvaNice :)..22:27
Jazzvaasac: btw, I'm noticing some little bugs -- imagezoom is also compat with Thunderbird. Is it possible to release a bugfix now?22:34
asacJazzva: i don't consider that really important right now22:35
asacif someone does the update we might think about it22:35
JazzvaOk ...22:35
asacis it just adding it as targetapplication and installing it in proper place?22:35
asacor do you refer to a "real" bug above22:36
asac?22:36
JazzvaWhat's the proper place for Thunderbird?22:36
asacgood old place :)22:36
JazzvaThe first ... just need to add it as a target app and install it22:36
asacthunderbird/extensions/22:36
asacJazzva: in xpi.mk just set the variable above to firefox-addons firefox thunderbird22:36
asacshould do the right thing22:37
asacnot in xpi.mk, but rather for xpi.mk style extensions :)22:37
Jazzvaright :)22:37
JazzvaI'll make a list and fix it these days :)22:38
asacyeah ... lets push the data first ;)22:38
asacthats far more important :-P22:38
Jazzvaright22:38
asacJazzva: let me know when i can test something ;)23:01
JazzvaSure ... I'll commit the desktop files soon, and then the icons, as soon as I sort them23:02
asacJazzva: yeah. release often and early :=)23:03
* asac back to translation work23:03
Jazzva:)23:03
[reed]asac: yeah, that article exaggerates a bit23:15
JazzvaHmm ... My computer just blocked during push, and I restarted it ... Now I'm waiting for lock on server to be removed, so I can push now... *sighs*23:20
asacJazzva: run bzr break-lock URL23:20
asacotherwise this will not go away23:20
asac[reed]: :)23:21
JazzvaHmm, crashed for the second time, on drag'n'dropping an icon to GIMP... :/23:36
Jazzvaasac, have you been asked by shirish about getting Firebug 1.1.0~b12 to archives? He says it solves some crasher bug...23:37
Jazzva*He/she23:37
JazzvaI just noticed I have a memo about it...23:38
asacJazzva: yeah he send mail to jetsaredim about it23:38
JazzvaOk, so it's known :)... good23:38
asacif he doesn't anwser till lets say tuesday me might do it on our own23:38
asacbut he is ubuntu qa contact, so lets hope :)23:38
JazzvaWe will... as much as I hope I won't run into crashes anymore :).23:39
Jazzvano more drag'n'dropping ... from now on, only classing right-click -> open with23:39
asacJazzva: uninstall firebug :)23:41
asacor install the .xpi in the net and verify that things really improve23:42
asac;)23:42
JazzvaI don't have it installed :)... This is somethign with Gimp, I suppose23:42
Jazzva...and for the third time. I won't edit any more icons before push completes :).23:49
JazzvaEither my system or Gimp is wrong ...23:49
asacJazzva: yeah23:51
asacJazzva: maybe run bzr upgrade on your branch23:51
asacthat should make the push quicker23:51
* Jazzva is searching for existing bug report23:51
Jazzvahmm,ok23:51
asacat least try23:51
asackeep a backup :)23:51
asacJazzva: ^^23:51
JazzvaI will23:51

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