=== asac_ is now known as asac === asac_ is now known as asac [12:15] * asac *yawns* [12:26] bug 141230 [12:26] Launchpad bug 141230 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all "need Ukrainian (uk) packaged" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141230 [14:15] fta: miro 1.2 takes 6 seconds on first run and 2 seconds on subsequent runs to startup here :) [14:49] hi there. [14:49] I am looking at ukrainian tralslation of Firefox ans Xulrunner and have a question [14:50] why if there is a translation for the string and it is the only suggestion, the line still counts as untranslated? [14:56] tymofiy: because its not the real translation [14:57] tymofiy: most likely ... we have some situation where the import could do better so it might even be the real translation [14:57] but automatically taking a translation if there is only one suggestion is definitly not right ;) [14:58] I as a translator of Fx can confirm that in the cases where there was only one suggestion so far it was right. [14:58] hard to explain the detail. has to do with how we try to resolve ambiguities. its doesn't work for all unfortunatley ;) [14:58] tymofiy: yeah. but there are cases that are wrong [14:58] i found them when confirming th esuggestions for german [14:59] ok, the only way is to browse through all of them? [14:59] tymofiy: no you can filter "untranslated" [14:59] and just do those [14:59] look, e.g. "Located in en-US.xpi/en-US.jar!/locale/browser/browser.dtd(reloadCmd.commandkey)" [15:00] yes? [15:00] in uk in /browser/browser.dtd(reloadCmd.commandkey there is just one value [15:00] is there a way to import it into launchpad? [15:00] tymofiy: the import is already done [15:01] tymofiy: problem is that our import is not yet perfect. this you have to go over it and approve the right suggestions [15:01] currently I do not have the right to approve,only to suggest. [15:01] can you fix it> [15:01] ? [15:01] no ... i had to become a german translator by asking the translation team admin [15:02] and even the launchpad team had no power to do that gracefully [15:02] so I should contact our main translator, right? [15:02] tymofiy: write the admins of the uk translation a mail ... CC me [15:02] ok. [15:03] btw, I filed bugs on Thunderbird and Calendar too [15:03] tymofiy: if there are more than one admin for uk ... write to all [15:03] i know the guy, thanks :) [15:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/216736 [15:04] tymofiy: ill review the state of translations mid of week and whitelist those for launchpad import that are good enough [15:04] Launchpad bug 216736 in sunbird-locales "missing locale: Ukrainian (uk)" [Undecided,New] [15:04] the rest will be using the .xpi's [15:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/216732 [15:04] but launchpad is good and i'd like to get as many translations out of it [15:04] Launchpad bug 216732 in thunderbird-locales "missing locale: Ukrainian (uk)" [Undecided,New] [15:04] * asac notes down [15:05] thanks, so no action from me needed on Tb, Sb. And the time to square out Fx is til... when? [15:06] tymofiy: is there a uk translation for ubufox? [15:06] (e.g. did you submit one to saivann when he called for submission)? [15:06] I havent done it so there is a good chance there is not. [15:07] I just hang out with moz guys, sorry. [15:07] can you share a link? [15:07] yeah [15:07] for what? [15:07] ubufox [15:07] launchpad translation [15:07] ah [15:07] won't be in launchpad for hardy [15:08] tymofiy: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Easac/ubufox/main [15:08] then add your translation in there and submit either a diff or push the branch to your launchpad account so i can merge [15:08] its basically just a locale/ directory [15:08] with just a hand full of translatable strings [15:08] is that good enough? or do you want me to send you the .xpi? [15:09] * tymofiy checks out ubufox [15:14] tymofiy: i pushed the latest crack to ubufox branch now ... rev78 [15:14] no string changes though [15:15] how to update in bzr? [15:15] tymofiy: just bzr pull [15:18] * tymofiy translates into locale/uk-UA directory. [15:18] I'll send you a diff [15:18] tymofiy: i think just locale/uk would be enough [15:18] ok [15:18] i think we should use the same code used in upstream translations [15:18] howver, now i see that i was not really careful about it [15:18] yeah :) [15:18] * asac wonders if we have issues for those languages now :/ [15:22] tymofiy: remember to edit chome.manifest as well when you are done [15:22] tymofiy: you can use build.sh to build a .xpi to test [15:25] how to submit file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales-ubuntu/index-uk.html ? [15:26] tymofiy: those .properties are not used. at best keep the value that is in en-US [15:27] tymofiy: thats an alternative that will point to the right file depending on what language you have selected as default language in ubuntu language selector [15:27] I see that other locales localised the two props there. [15:27] and in file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales/ live localized homepages [15:27] tymofiy: yeah. thats superfluous .. won't be used [15:28] tymofiy: well ... index-uk.html should be submitted [15:28] tymofiy: but that is independent from ubufox [15:28] tymofiy: if you remember me tomorrow i give you a clue how to do that [15:28] i currently have no idea who really maintains that (well .. i forgot :) [15:29] ok. [15:29] tymofiy: most likely the translation team lead knows that as well [15:37] hrm... [15:38] does it happen for all that the download finished popup shows up in the taskbar and not in the browser area? [15:38] armin76: its a notification [15:38] its on the desktop not in the app for me [15:39] yeah... [15:39] any way to change that? [15:40] probably, but why change? [15:40] lol [15:40] because i don't get noticed :P [15:40] i'm using kde [15:40] so the taskbar is down [15:41] at the bottom, that is [15:41] i have taskbar also down here on gnome [15:41] yeah, but its not big enough, is it? [15:41] * armin76 looks [15:41] armin76: for me its a notification that pops up _above_ the panel [15:42] yes [15:42] e.g. not overlaying the panel ... but stacked on top [15:42] ah, avobe? [15:42] cool, then in kde it doesn't... [15:42] its a bubble thing [15:42] on fluxbox its avobe as well... [15:42] most likely kde doesn't support libnotification which is used [15:43] kde has always been crap imo :-P [15:43] and actually kde devs are childish and don't even discuss firefox things here [15:43] they appear to think that every kde user will use konqueror [15:43] lol [15:43] well, thing is that ff2 worked fine :P [15:43] yeah ... imo its childish [15:44] i approached kubuntu folks multiple times about "better kde integration" ... only response i got was "not really important for use" [15:44] armin76: yeah ... ff3 now uses libnotification [15:48] asking our kde guy [15:53] asac: uk ubufox diff sent to you [15:54] asac: http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/ff3kde.png [15:59] asac: you there m8? [16:01] shirish: whats up? [16:01] hey :) [16:01] ok the issue is ff3 crashes many a times due to firebug [16:01] armin76: yeah ... a bug in notification impl of kde [16:01] and this is known issue for firebug [16:01] shirish: yes, its incompatible with adblock in some way afaik [16:02] shirish: and noscript [16:02] if you have them try to disable them [16:02] asac: there is also b12 which fixes the issue [16:02] asac: any possibility of getting b12 of firebug into firefox [16:03] shirish: who is firebug contact? [16:03] on firefox3extension wiki page [16:03] there should be an entry [16:03] asac: hang on [16:03] if someone updates the bzr branch we can get it in most likely [16:03] but hurry ;) [16:04] asac: firebug is by somebody named Joe Hewitt [16:05] asac: http://www.getfirebug.com/releases/firebug/1.1/firebug-1.1.0b12.xpi [16:06] asac: and on firefox addons page https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 [16:06] asac: wasn't jazzva packing the extensions for you guys? [16:06] shirish: no [16:06] i want to know who is the ubuntu contact [16:06] contact him ;) [16:06] the ubuntu contact, okie dokie [16:06] maybe its jazzva [16:07] Its somebody named Jared Greenwald [16:07] shirish: CC me in your mail [16:07] jetsaredim: ^^ [16:07] update firebug? [16:07] ok will do [16:07] fixes crashes ;) [16:07] its jetsaredim :) [16:08] asac: still will send the mail, this way its there. [16:12] asac: done :) [16:22] thx [16:22] shirish: what version is in the archive? [16:23] asac: 1.1.b11 [16:23] asac: ah, didn't give the changelog, ok will attach it [16:28] shirish: we also need a bug documenting that it crashes [16:29] which we can use in changelog [16:29] and maybe a diff of the code [16:29] asac: hang on, I'm not that advanced [16:34] shirish: leave alone the diff then ;) [16:34] asac: thanx ;) [16:34] jetsaredim: can attach it before uploading [17:49] hi [17:50] asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6917/ [17:51] fta: do we want to support parallel checkouts? [17:51] i doubt that we want to allow parallel execution in mozclient.mk [17:52] what do you mean ? [17:55] fta: see what i committed ;) [17:55] .NOTPARALLEL [17:55] fta: hmm ... i really think that main development happens on 1.2 branch for now [17:56] not trunk [17:57] ? it's really moving in trunk. the ui has been updated [17:57] fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6918/ [17:57] thats 1.2 [17:58] fta: what size does your database have? [17:58] /home/fta/.miro/sqlitedb [17:58] ß [17:58] 19MB [17:58] mine is 1117184 [17:58] maybe that makes the difference? [17:58] whats stored in there? [18:00] huge hexa strings [18:13] asac, why was .NOTPARALLEL needed anyway ? [18:14] otherwise the sequence of things would break if you make -j5 [18:14] for instance [18:15] who will ever make -f debian/rules -j5 get-orig-source ??? [18:16] doesn't matter ;) ... it would break :) [18:16] some people have MAKEFLAGS=-j5 set [18:18] my quad xeon server :P [18:20] i'm not even sure it will break [18:20] but i don't mind [18:20] pff miro crashed [18:22] fta: $(MOZCLIENT_TARGET): $(MOZ_CLIENT) $(MOZCLIENT_TMP)/$(MOZCLIENT_STAMP) mozclient-checkout mozclient-remove-bin mozclient-pack [18:22] that would be executed in parallel [18:22] so i guess it falis [18:22] like remove-bin without ceckout [19:04] miro crashed, again [19:24] asac, both ff3 and sm2 crash 100% on http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/04/12/whats-on-tonight-nascar-suze-orman-saturday-night-live/ [19:25] in flash [19:26] sm1 doesn't [19:26] fta: null deref? [19:26] or no readable stack? [19:26] no readable stack [19:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6923/ [19:27] fta: try without flashsupport please [19:30] dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of libflashsupport: [19:30] flashplugin-nonfree depends on libflashsupport. [19:31] fta: move away libflashsupport.so [19:31] somewhere where the runtime linker cannot find it [19:32] well, why sm1 is not crashing then ? [19:32] it's the same flash setup [19:32] broken things can behave different if the code changes outside [19:33] fta: please test [19:33] the stack is similar with my sm2, which is not using xul sdk [19:33] its the same xul though [19:34] yes [19:34] so makes sense [19:34] but please try if libflashsupport contributes to this desaster ;) [19:48] yep, it crashes too [19:53] ok [19:53] also with upstream builds= [19:53] let me check [19:53] if i see it at all [19:53] * asac installs flash [19:54] well in fact i don't have that crash [19:54] please try b5. maybe its a regressoin [19:54] just visit that site? [19:54] or do anything? [19:55] yep [19:55] what yep? regression? or do anything? [19:56] or just visit site? [19:56] visit the url and wait [19:56] ok ... i keep it open [19:56] not yet crashed [19:57] hehe flashblock ;) [19:57] ok restarted with it disabled [19:57] nothing [19:57] a bunch of flash files playing [19:57] but no crash [19:57] I don't have any addon in sm2 [19:57] yet it crashes [19:58] fta: can you please check if you see it in b5? [19:58] i don't have any crash here :( [19:58] not now, i'm on something else [19:59] k [20:00] fta, nvidia driver by any chance? [20:00] yes [20:01] its got weird problems [20:01] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/212648 [20:01] Launchpad bug 212648 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[nvidia-new] a visit to http://www.themareks.com/xf/ in firefox hardy causes X to restart" [Medium,Confirmed] [20:01] like that [20:02] i aint have nvidia installed here [20:02] cheguevara_: can you reproduce? [20:02] neither do i [20:02] pure intel here :P [21:26] Jazzva: hi [21:28] asac: Hello ... [21:28] :) [21:28] I'm merging with ubuntu-dev branch now ... Forgot to commit after merging, and now it's a mess :sighs:... [21:28] *now, again... [21:28] Jazzva: yay .... merge excersize [21:29] Yes :) ... Though, it takes a while while it downloads all the commits :). [21:30] And I also had problems with my swap dri [21:30] with my swap drive ... Somehow, it got lost from fstab in today's update (I think it was my mistake)... So, I saw what happens when you don't have a swap :)... [21:32] Jazzva: hehe? what happens? [21:32] how much mem do you have? [21:33] BTW, one question before commiting this ... What's the deal with Iceweasel? Do I mention it in desktop files, or not? (It is not mentioned in the XPI.TEMPLATE) [21:33] or do you refer to hibernate? [21:33] Jazzva: no need to mention that [21:33] it just confuses users [21:33] 512 MB... It was fun watching my mouse blocking all along .... and then gnome-panel was killed :) [21:33] i think we already talke about that the other day ;) [21:33] ok ... 512 might deserve some swap [21:33] It took a while for Firefox to resume from program bar :) [21:34] There's 1GB of swap, just in case :). So, it works fine when it's there... This was a problem (hopefully) I made... [21:34] yeah sounds strange that it got wiped from your fstab during upgrade [21:36] It replaced my drives in fstab with uuid, so I changed it back to /dev/drive naming... It is possible that I accidentaly erased parts of line for swap drive... [21:36] Jazzva: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/ubufox.xpi now opens firefox-2 mime type when run in firefox 2 [21:36] but i haven't tested at all :) [21:36] firefox 2 :) [21:37] Ok ... I'll check extensions for that :)... (almost forgot) [21:37] I don't think I have firefox 2 :)... [21:37] Jazzva: just add the same mime-type with a -2 appended [21:37] for few months, now [21:37] right [21:37] Jazzva: just check if its getting installed in firefox/extensions/ [21:37] then add it deliberately [21:37] no need to test imo [21:38] hmm, well I expect most of the extensions are compatible with FF2... (except those FF3 only, like Weave, but we don't have that...) [21:38] right? [21:38] Jazzva: most likely. however, only those that actually install themself in /usr/lib/firefox/extensions should be added [21:38] but i guess those are all [21:39] browsing the code ... again :) [21:44] BTW, is online code browsing not working again? (at bazaar.lp.net) [21:47] * asac looks [21:47] Jazzva: yeah ... downish for me too [21:47] Whole afternoon it stays at "Waiting for bazaar.launchpad.net..." [21:48] damn ... Hmm, downloading the sources :sighs:... [21:48] Jazzva: its pretty quick nowadays imo [21:48] if you branch through http at least [21:49] Hmm, I'm still merging through http :)... [21:49] Though, this has a lot of commits. That may be the reason why it's slow [21:51] Jazzva: i think the branch still has old format [21:51] Oh ... ok [21:51] the default format since 1.0 is pack-0.92 ... which is really fast [21:52] Jazzva: what does bzr info show you? [21:52] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6932/ [21:52] thats a "modern" branch [21:54] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6934/ [21:54] it's different [21:55] Jazzva: yeah ... really old thing [21:55] not even the one before pack-0.92 [21:55] ill kick mvo to upgrade that branch [21:55] i did that once for other branches ... but apparently he forgot [21:59] :) [22:02] asac: Can I rely solely on Depends field in debian/control for FF2/FF3 compatibility? [22:03] Jazzva: take a quick look at .install and .link files [22:04] Jazzva: or simply install the package and check with dpkg -L [22:04] And for those prepared with xpi.mk? [22:05] Jazzva: they are all in firefox [22:05] unless someone overwrites that in rules [22:05] Oh, ok :) [22:05] Jazzva: [22:05] # MOZ_XPI_MOZILLA_DIRS (DEFAULT=firefox-addons firefox): [22:05] thats the option that an extension needs to set in rules ... otherwise it gets installed for ffox 3 and ffox 2 [22:06] iirc there is no extensoin doing that so far [22:06] I'll check debian/control [22:19] Jazzva: you want me to help you in some way? [22:19] Well, everything is pretty much done... [22:19] really? [22:19] cool! [22:19] I'm just removing the Iceweasel from .desktop files [22:19] Jazzva: how many extensions do we have now? [22:19] And need to grab the icons from sources [22:20] 34 [22:20] yeah cool [22:20] how many ffox 3? [22:20] dunno :)... ~30? [22:20] thats good [22:20] I suppose :) [22:21] I think Mozilla team did a great job for this release ;) [22:21] FF3, lots of extensions :)... [22:21] given how cumbersome it is to figure out sources and licensing [22:21] yeah ... i am sure its great ;) [22:22] just a little unfortunate that we release like 2 days before RC1 is out [22:22] Still can't make myself to e-mail all contributors for better gmail2 to ask for licenses... And I would like to see that pkg in ubuntu :) [22:22] would have been better to release RC1 instead of beta 5 [22:22] from the press side [22:22] but hopefully the positive comments willl outweight the negative ones [22:22] Hopefully... [22:23] but well ... at least there is this reuters link :) [22:23] Really? Where :)? [22:23] http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSN2041266520080320 [22:24] they declared it ready for prime time [22:24] no idea if they did that to be nice to us as they knew that we committed to ship ffox 3 [22:24] I'll put that biofox is compat with FF3 and wait for the bugreport :). It shows the sidebar, but I have no clue about some DNA sequences it uses, so I can't see if it's really working :) [22:24] "In many ways it (Firefox 3) is much more stable than anything else out there," Mozilla Corp Vice President of Engineering Mike Schroepfer said in an interview. [22:24] thats worth gold [22:24] at least to give backup that ffox 3 is ready for distros inclusion [22:25] Jazzva: hehe [22:25] yeah ... keep biofox then [22:25] reading the article ... [22:27] Nice :).. [22:34] asac: btw, I'm noticing some little bugs -- imagezoom is also compat with Thunderbird. Is it possible to release a bugfix now? [22:35] Jazzva: i don't consider that really important right now [22:35] if someone does the update we might think about it [22:35] Ok ... [22:35] is it just adding it as targetapplication and installing it in proper place? [22:36] or do you refer to a "real" bug above [22:36] ? [22:36] What's the proper place for Thunderbird? [22:36] good old place :) [22:36] The first ... just need to add it as a target app and install it [22:36] thunderbird/extensions/ [22:36] Jazzva: in xpi.mk just set the variable above to firefox-addons firefox thunderbird [22:37] should do the right thing [22:37] not in xpi.mk, but rather for xpi.mk style extensions :) [22:37] right :) [22:38] I'll make a list and fix it these days :) [22:38] yeah ... lets push the data first ;) [22:38] thats far more important :-P [22:38] right [23:01] Jazzva: let me know when i can test something ;) [23:02] Sure ... I'll commit the desktop files soon, and then the icons, as soon as I sort them [23:03] Jazzva: yeah. release often and early :=) [23:03] * asac back to translation work [23:03] :) [23:15] <[reed]> asac: yeah, that article exaggerates a bit [23:20] Hmm ... My computer just blocked during push, and I restarted it ... Now I'm waiting for lock on server to be removed, so I can push now... *sighs* [23:20] Jazzva: run bzr break-lock URL [23:20] otherwise this will not go away [23:21] [reed]: :) [23:36] Hmm, crashed for the second time, on drag'n'dropping an icon to GIMP... :/ [23:37] asac, have you been asked by shirish about getting Firebug 1.1.0~b12 to archives? He says it solves some crasher bug... [23:37] *He/she [23:38] I just noticed I have a memo about it... [23:38] Jazzva: yeah he send mail to jetsaredim about it [23:38] Ok, so it's known :)... good [23:38] if he doesn't anwser till lets say tuesday me might do it on our own [23:38] but he is ubuntu qa contact, so lets hope :) [23:39] We will... as much as I hope I won't run into crashes anymore :). [23:39] no more drag'n'dropping ... from now on, only classing right-click -> open with [23:41] Jazzva: uninstall firebug :) [23:42] or install the .xpi in the net and verify that things really improve [23:42]