/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/04/13/#ubuntu-ops.txt

Seeker`wow, its been quiet tonight00:21
Picissh, dont jynx it00:21
jussio1all the kids are out partying....00:27
Myrttiblehc00:37
no0ticif you want I can make some confusion, join with two or three clients and let you enjoy01:09
no0tic:)01:09
Seeker`no0tic: can we help you?01:10
Seeker`:P01:11
no0ticyes, I'm a bit bored, no kids around in my channels01:11
Seeker`awww01:11
Seeker`which are "your channels"?01:11
naliothSeeker`: why, the ones he's in, of course01:11
Seeker`I dont know if that is a larger set than the ones that appear on whois though01:12
no0ticSeeker`, "mine" in the meaning of "the channels which I feel responsible for"01:14
Seeker`which are "the channels which you feel responsible for"01:15
no0tic-it* ones01:15
Seeker`ah, ok01:15
no0ticin fact I wouldn't need to be here since there is -irc but this channel is so cozy :)01:17
* Seeker` doesn't hang around in -irc, as nothing ever happens there01:22
ubotuIn #ubuntu, MrKeuner said: !ops titis_semampir is annoying05:35
Cpudan80Can someone peak in #ubuntu at titis...05:38
nickrudCpudan80 I'm there05:39
Cpudan80k thanks05:39
Cpudan80Wasnt sure if you were off reading the book ;-)05:39
ubotuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)05:59
nickrudPici was that a bot booboo, not unbanning adrian?06:02
ubotuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)06:59
trippssFWIW as an old school efnet channel op on #linux 13 years ago in the era of bot wars and netsplits, I understand what you're trying to do but it's like curing cancer by killing the patient. Most people who seek #ubuntu advice barely know what a router or port is and you're asking them to perform highly technical tasks to seek help. Not exactly the kind of community to foster n00bs to give linux a try for the first time. Again, my07:31
trippss $.02 or less worth . . . ;)07:31
Hobbseetrippss: so they prefer being thrown off the network every time they get hit by an exploit?07:36
Hobbseetrippss: let me tell you, it gets really old, really fast, if you get thrown off the network ocne every 5 mins - whether you're talking or not.07:36
Hobbseeno choice.  just kaboom.07:36
trippssHobbsee, believe me i definitely hear you - I don't know what the answer is to be honest. just thought i would throw it out there.07:37
Hobbseetyping out a long message and getting help from someone?  too bad.  kaboom.07:37
Hobbseetrippss: most people seem to be able to follow the wiki page in #ubuntu-read-topic, and be able to rejoin.07:37
trippssHobbsee, when did this behavior start and are the perpetrators traceable?07:38
Hobbseetrippss: a few people seem to have major objections to this, and i'm still not sure why.07:38
Hobbseetrippss: erm, months ago, when i was last on the roof helping dad.07:38
Hobbseelast year sometime07:38
Hobbseeand the strings aren't hard to find - so while the individual members get klined usually, more people can go and find the string.07:38
trippssHobbsee, I would suggest perhaps a ubuntu repo package of xchat or whatever that disables DCC or auto chooses another port. 07:38
Hobbseethey kept booting my client off.07:39
Hobbseetrippss: xchat already uses a different port, has done since gutsy, iirc.07:39
Hobbseetrippss: maybe even feisty.07:39
Hobbseeditto konversatoin, xchat-gnome, etc.07:39
trippssHobbsee, that way the instructions could be "sudo apt-get install xchat-dccfix" or something07:39
Hobbseetrippss: smashing people's config changes are usually a Bad Thing (tm), and is prohibited by debian policy.07:40
stdinxchat was actually only recently fixed iirc07:40
Hobbseeso that would never get in.07:40
trippssmmmm what a pain in the ass . . . . 07:40
trippss:)07:40
trippssgotta love script kiddies!07:40
Hobbseedodgy.  it only got done on feb 14.07:41
Hobbseethe rest all got done, i'm sure, much earlier07:41
trippssHobbsee, gotcha on the debian policy . . . would this apply to ugly multiverse repo stuff too?07:41
stdinxchat-gnome on the same day :/07:41
Hobbseehmm, apparently xchat-gnome got done on the same day07:41
Hobbseetrippss: of course07:42
trippssrgr that07:42
Hobbseetrippss: multiverse only means "not fully redistributable"07:43
trippssHobbsee, right07:43
Hobbseenot "packages made of crap"07:43
trippssHobbsee, lol07:43
Hobbsee:)07:43
Hobbseekonversation was done on Sat, 27 Jan 200707:43
Hobbseei thought the rest were all done pretty quickly afterwards - they may have dropped, and readded though07:43
Hobbseekonversation was one of the last, iirc.07:44
Hobbseebug 19169107:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 191691 in xchat-gnome "To prevent dcc exploit, default port should be 8001 for irc.ubuntu.com" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19169107:44
ubotu2launchpad bug 191691 in xchat-gnome (and 1 others): "To prevent dcc exploit, default port should be 8001 for irc.ubuntu.com" [Medium,Fix Released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/19169107:44
Hobbseestrange.07:45
trippssi guess since i'm using regular xchat and not xchat-gnome my port is still 666707:46
Hobbseewhat version of ubuntu did you originally install?07:46
trippssHobbsee, gutsy gibbon07:46
Hobbseedid you bring over config files before that?07:46
trippssHobbsee, no fresh install07:46
Hobbseehmm.  Then it must have never happened.07:47
Hobbseeohhh!  the bug i'm thinking of changed from irc.freenode.net --> irc.ubuntu.com, i think07:47
trippssHobbsee, yeah this box is probably < 2 months old. all updates applied07:47
stdinI can't see anything in the changelog until 14th07:47
trippssirc.ubuntu.com in my server list for Ubuntu servers07:48
Hobbseeyeah.  it'll definetly be that bug i was thinking of07:48
trippssyeah adding a new server to the ubuntu server list in ubuntu defaults to 666707:49
trippssjust changed it to 8001. reconnecting. brb07:49
Hobbseetrippss: want a test?07:50
trippssyeah i think it still connected 6667 tho07:50
trippssmmm i'm still here ;)07:50
trippsssok finally got 800107:52
trippsssFWIW needed to check "only connect to this server" in xchat to connect to 8001 as in server list07:53
Hobbseeah ha...07:53
Hobbseeso, why didn't my test work?  or did it lag?07:53
trippsssHobbsee, must have - ran test in read-topic and was kicked07:53
trippssseven though did say "received malformed dcc request" strange07:54
Hobbseeyeah07:54
=== Hobbsee is now known as shinymonster
trippsssgonna run a test me in read-topic to check it out07:54
shinymonstertrying to07:54
shinymonsterit still won't let me07:55
trippsssoh heh running an alternate nick07:55
=== shinymonster is now known as Hobbsee
Hobbseewas trying to07:55
Hobbseestill won't let me07:55
=== trippsss is now known as trippss
stdin[07:54]<FloodBot2> trippsss has requested an exploit test, but is not known as a victim07:55
trippssok now old nick try again07:56
trippssok cool that seems to work07:56
Hobbseeoh, so it only tests victims.07:56
stdinyeah, no point in testing others ;)07:56
Hobbseewell, true07:57
trippssi suppose one could join ubuntu and change to old nick then?07:57
Hobbseewell, you'd really have to get caught by the exploit again, it looks like07:58
stdinif you joined with an alt nick, then /nick'd to the old one you'd be muted (and I think not able to change nicks again either)07:58
Hobbseeit won't test someone in an unregg'ed nick07:58
trippssright07:58
trippsscool appreciate your help. fun stuff, irc is. never gets old ;)07:59
Hobbsee:)08:00
Hobbseey/w08:00
trippssi'm out. l8r.08:03
elkbuntuHobbsee, at one point people were sending friends to get tested who were not part of our system, just for kicks. i guess the mechanism had to be changed to avoid that09:18
Hobbseeahhh09:19
Hobbsee@btlogin09:19
Hobbseecome on bantracker....09:20
* Hobbsee spanks mneptok and jpatrick09:22
elkbuntudrderek incoming09:22
MyrttiI think he knows not to come...09:24
Myrtti:-/09:24
Hobbseemneptok: jpatrick eagles ban is not supposed to be undone.  I'm putting it in the bantracker this time09:24
elkbuntudrderek, you've been warned multiple times to not promote that channel in official channels.09:26
DrDerek-_-09:26
elkbuntuwe do accept apologies, if they're genuine.09:27
Hobbseebut we don't like ban evasion.09:29
DrDerekyeah, I wasn't really thinking much of it. I'm a bit tired, though, by now I should know I shouldn't be on IRC when I'm tired.. but I am sorry - I mean, I have been getting better at what I say.09:29
DrDerekyeah..09:29
elkbuntuDrDerek, were you evading intentionally? (note a nick change usually underlies intent)09:31
DrDerekno, not intentionally09:32
DrDerekI wanted DrDerek because I use this handle on everything09:32
Hobbseepretty hard to see how it's *not* intentional, when deliberatly changing nicks.09:32
DrDerekhence "Dr.Derek Live"09:32
DrDerekmy radio station, and it's my handle on everything else that I use now.09:32
elkbuntuthen why were you originally kagar?09:32
DrDerekIt was my old gamer handle.09:32
DrDerekBut I don't use it anymore09:33
DrDerekwell, I was Lord Kagar -- then just Kagar.09:33
DrDerekAnd now Dr.Derek.09:33
DrDerekbut yeah, I did delcare that I was "Kagar"09:34
DrDerekawhile ago.09:34
DrDerekthrough discipline of you guys 09:35
ompaulDrDerek, so ehh, anything else you would like to tell us .. 09:35
DrDerekI never changed my nick for ban evasion 09:36
SNuxollerm, in DrDerek's defense, he thought his ban had been lifted09:36
fdovingDrDerek: hanging around this channel trying to exaplin anything is usually a waste of time. if anything it'll only get you banned from more channels.09:36
DrDerekIt was09:37
Hobbseenice ban history, though09:37
DrDerekLjL lifted it, I believe.09:37
DrDerekHobbsee - I know09:37
DrDerek.09:37
SNuxollI have quite an impressive ban history as well09:38
elkbuntuok guys... as much as we know you love derek, this is between us and him, not us and the population of offtopic ;)09:38
elkbuntuSNuxoll, that's not something to be proud of09:38
SNuxollelkbuntu: I know ;(09:38
* ompaul asks SNuxoll to read the topic and not get another ban09:39
ompaul!idle | SNuxoll 09:39
ubotuSNuxoll: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.09:39
Hobbseewhat i'd like to know is why the bantracker doesn't appear to be synced.09:40
SNuxollwell, I've said my peice, was just trying to point out that DrDerek wasn't purposefully trying to avoid a ban09:40
Seveasompaul, have you been a bouncer in a sleezy bar? :)09:40
SNuxollanyways, later everyone09:40
SeveasHobbsee, because it's a broken piece of crap09:40
Hobbseeoh, you are here now09:40
HobbseeSeveas: any eta on it being finished?09:42
HobbseeSeveas: doesn't really matter.  Doesn't look like any of the current bans are still standing, although they appear to be in the bantracker.09:43
DrDerekmy last ban was in Decemeber 09:43
DrDerekDecember -- and I haven't been banned since ten09:43
HobbseeAnd while DrDerek and cronies can happily bitch about us in their channel, it looks like they're keeping it out of #ubuntu*, so I won't push for a nuke due to ban evasion.09:43
elkbuntuDrDerek, that's surely by some miracle...09:44
HobbseeDrDerek: except for the 3 on jan 18.09:44
DrDerekI think that was a 24 hour one09:44
DrDerekI forget what for though09:44
elkbuntuDrDerek, in all seriousness, you walk a fine line and often lure others over that line, so i'd be working on my behaviour generally if i were you.09:45
DrDerekyessir09:45
* Hobbsee watches other people's ices get thinner, as they border on harassment.09:45
elkbuntuthat's yessum to you09:45
jussio1DrDerek: s/sir/ma'am09:45
elkbuntuHobbsee, whose?09:46
DrDerekeh09:46
Hobbseeelkbuntu: i'll /query you09:46
elkbuntuDrDerek, /whois me, dear09:46
elkbuntuHobbsee, k09:46
elkbuntuDrDerek, it's probably time you went and got some sleep or something09:49
elkbuntuthis aint an idling channel ;)09:50
DrDerektiz a good idear.09:50
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ubotuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)10:40
* stdin thinks something's wrong with FloodBot110:40
naliothklined10:40
Mezstdin, why?10:41
stdinbecause it keeps thinking there's a clone flood when there doesn't seem to be10:42
* Mez hasnt looked at the clone flood code yet - thats new10:43
stdinit though there was at 05:59 and 06:59 too, but there wasn't any that I could see, and not many in -unregged  (3-5)10:43
stdin(UTC+1)10:44
Mezstdin - it apparently calls it when it has 2 or more people spamming at the same time10:47
Mezthere may be a bug there10:47
PriceChildHobbsee: who has been harrassing who?10:47
jussio1can someone put the release date in #ubuntu+1's topic? please?11:33
jussio1:)11:34
* PriceChild whistles11:34
elkbuntujussi01, nobody reads topics anyway11:36
jussio1heh11:37
jussio1argh, mouse is running out of battery...11:40
naliothbetter than running out of the cage11:41
jussio1hehe11:42
jussio1irssi has: [+jussi01(+6ei)] what is the 6 for?11:59
PriceChildjussio1: unfiltered iirc11:59
jussio1PriceChild: ahh, yes, of course11:59
jussio1thanks11:59
naliothjussio1: why it's the mark of the beast ( you have two to go )12:00
* nalioth runs12:00
jussio1hehe12:00
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ubotuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood during emergency mode)12:13
HobbseePriceChild: i'll /query you, if you really want to know12:29
PriceChildplease12:30
PriceChildHobbsee: probably best you leave that channel if you don't want to read things like that.12:44
HobbseePriceChild: who said anything about me being in there.  anyway, /query12:44
* jussio1 sighs at #kubuntu12:48
* Hobbsee joins12:50
naliothjussio1: your friend migrated to #xubuntu to continue his performance12:51
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PriceChildthink we need the limits relaxed a little?13:21
elkbuntuhmm?13:22
PriceChildie for the next couple of weeks?13:22
PriceChildon the floodbots13:22
stdinit seems to be only bot1 that thinks there are clone floods, and normally when it sees someone flooding the channel13:27
elkbuntuconsidering i'm not even privy to what the limits are, i cant really weigh in on the topic13:28
elkbuntuok, who flooded ljl :Þ14:14
LjLgrrr konversation14:17
LjLand, #informaticaxp.org.log:[02:45] *** LjL!n=ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl has joined #informaticaxp.org14:18
LjLnow how did this happen, i don't have auto-join-on-invite, and i sure hope my proxy isn't doing that for me14:18
elkbuntuwtf14:19
LjLspanish channel, i was probably invited from #ubuntu-es, the only fellow there's currently in there is someone i banned (for the nth time) yesterday >:14:20
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ubotuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)16:36
HobbseeWhen was the last time #ubuntu hit 1000 users, not including netsplits?16:39
Seeker`what do you mean by "hit" - do you mean dropped below16:39
Hobbseeyeah16:39
Hobbseeor got near that number16:40
Hobbseeballpark time16:40
Seeker`Hobbsee: I suspect it was quite a while16:40
Hobbseeso we haven't dropped a few hundred users any time in the past few years.  Right.16:41
HobbseeMaking sure i've got my facts straight :)16:41
Seeker`Hobbsee: What do you want to know for?16:43
HobbseeSeeker`: was just looking into some channel comparisons.16:44
Seeker`Hobbsee: You decided that #ubuntu is the best?16:45
Seeker`hmm, top trumps with irc channels16:46
HobbseeSeeker`: heh.  Was also curious to know how much bigger than gutsy release day it had been, to get an idea of hwo much more complex it would be to monitor, come release day.16:47
Seeker`Gutsy release was ~1600 people?16:47
Hobbseei thoguht we were sitting at 1200 before that16:48
Hobbsee(and more joined around release)16:48
Seeker`I meant on release day16:48
Hobbseeso we might be looking at 1700-1750 or so16:48
Hobbseefor release day16:49
Seeker`sounds reasonable16:49
* Hobbsee nods16:49
Hobbseemaybe more, actually, as there will be dapper --> hardy questiosn - LTS should boost it a bit16:50
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Myrttiyeah, Gutsy was 160018:15
MyrttiI still remember how tired I was after that day18:15
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Seeker`if you need any extra  help on release day, i'll probably be about18:41
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jussio1Hrm, is there a reason Im on the !o.ps list in #ubuntu+1 but not on the access list? is it just that there is no #ubuntu+1 specific !o.ps call?20:29
stdinapparently not20:35
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PriceChildLjL: they're calling those too easily22:07
jussio1heya PriceChild22:09
PriceChildHey jussio1 22:09
Seeker`lo PriceChild 22:09
PriceChildlolo Seeker` 22:10
Seeker`lolo! :P22:15
jussio1hmm, is there somwhere that we can get channel stats? ie. top amounts of users, users per day etc?22:29
PriceChildirssistats or something i think22:30
jussio1PriceChild: yeah, I meant does ubotu have anything like that? are they published anywhere?22:30
Davieyjussio1: there was a chap doing it - but he couldn't afford to keep the server going IIRC22:31
stdinI don't think ubotu keeps those kinds of statistics either22:32
jussio1aha. 22:34
jussio1would anyone be opposed to me doing it in the future? 22:34
Davieyjussio1: it was at http://ubuntuircstats.org  22:34
jussio1Daviey: do you have any info on that guy? an irc nick?22:34
Davieygouki iirc22:35
Davieysame chap as ubuntu users planet22:35
* jussio1 pokes PriceChild22:35
jussio1Daviey: ok. thank you :)22:35
Davieyjussio1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gouki22:35
PriceChildjussio1: hmm?22:35
jussio1PriceChild: [00:31:13] <jussio1> would anyone be opposed to me doing it in the future? 22:36
PriceChildah... doubt it22:36
* jussio1 will soon have his own server up and running. 22:36
Davieyjussio1: might be worth asking him for the domain .. he's currently not using it!22:37
jussio1Daviey: good point. Ill have a look into it just as soon as I get my server happening. 22:38
jussio1ok, well Im off to bed. good night all. 22:39
Garynight22:48
ubotuPelo called the ops in #ubuntu (wildur)23:17
* LjL doesn't understand23:18
PriceChildLjL: tab completion23:19
LjLright but the other was just pasting...?23:19
Seeker`Bad tab completion, as the person was just kicked by Pi.ci23:19
LjLuhm no23:19
LjLok nevermind i'm stoned today23:20
PriceChild:/23:20
LjLhe sure answered himself.23:22
LjL[00:24:07] <wof> does freenode think people are going to hack them by a version or something?23:24
LjL[00:24:22] <wof> you know don't bother answering that ...23:24
LjLcouncil, see -irc, do we ask them to move?23:36

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