[00:21] <Seeker`> wow, its been quiet tonight
[00:21] <Pici> ssh, dont jynx it
[00:27] <jussio1> all the kids are out partying....
[00:37] <Myrtti> blehc
[01:09] <no0tic> if you want I can make some confusion, join with two or three clients and let you enjoy
[01:09] <no0tic> :)
[01:10] <Seeker`> no0tic: can we help you?
[01:11] <Seeker`> :P
[01:11] <no0tic> yes, I'm a bit bored, no kids around in my channels
[01:11] <Seeker`> awww
[01:11] <Seeker`> which are "your channels"?
[01:11] <nalioth> Seeker`: why, the ones he's in, of course
[01:12] <Seeker`> I dont know if that is a larger set than the ones that appear on whois though
[01:14] <no0tic> Seeker`, "mine" in the meaning of "the channels which I feel responsible for"
[01:15] <Seeker`> which are "the channels which you feel responsible for"
[01:15] <no0tic> -it* ones
[01:15] <Seeker`> ah, ok
[01:17] <no0tic> in fact I wouldn't need to be here since there is -irc but this channel is so cozy :)
[01:22]  * Seeker` doesn't hang around in -irc, as nothing ever happens there
[05:35] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, MrKeuner said: !ops titis_semampir is annoying
[05:38] <Cpudan80> Can someone peak in #ubuntu at titis...
[05:39] <nickrud> Cpudan80 I'm there
[05:39] <Cpudan80> k thanks
[05:39] <Cpudan80> Wasnt sure if you were off reading the book ;-)
[05:59] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[06:02] <nickrud> Pici was that a bot booboo, not unbanning adrian?
[06:59] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[07:31] <trippss> FWIW as an old school efnet channel op on #linux 13 years ago in the era of bot wars and netsplits, I understand what you're trying to do but it's like curing cancer by killing the patient. Most people who seek #ubuntu advice barely know what a router or port is and you're asking them to perform highly technical tasks to seek help. Not exactly the kind of community to foster n00bs to give linux a try for the first time. Again, my
[07:31] <trippss>  $.02 or less worth . . . ;)
[07:36] <Hobbsee> trippss: so they prefer being thrown off the network every time they get hit by an exploit?
[07:36] <Hobbsee> trippss: let me tell you, it gets really old, really fast, if you get thrown off the network ocne every 5 mins - whether you're talking or not.
[07:36] <Hobbsee> no choice.  just kaboom.
[07:37] <trippss> Hobbsee, believe me i definitely hear you - I don't know what the answer is to be honest. just thought i would throw it out there.
[07:37] <Hobbsee> typing out a long message and getting help from someone?  too bad.  kaboom.
[07:37] <Hobbsee> trippss: most people seem to be able to follow the wiki page in #ubuntu-read-topic, and be able to rejoin.
[07:38] <trippss> Hobbsee, when did this behavior start and are the perpetrators traceable?
[07:38] <Hobbsee> trippss: a few people seem to have major objections to this, and i'm still not sure why.
[07:38] <Hobbsee> trippss: erm, months ago, when i was last on the roof helping dad.
[07:38] <Hobbsee> last year sometime
[07:38] <Hobbsee> and the strings aren't hard to find - so while the individual members get klined usually, more people can go and find the string.
[07:38] <trippss> Hobbsee, I would suggest perhaps a ubuntu repo package of xchat or whatever that disables DCC or auto chooses another port. 
[07:39] <Hobbsee> they kept booting my client off.
[07:39] <Hobbsee> trippss: xchat already uses a different port, has done since gutsy, iirc.
[07:39] <Hobbsee> trippss: maybe even feisty.
[07:39] <Hobbsee> ditto konversatoin, xchat-gnome, etc.
[07:39] <trippss> Hobbsee, that way the instructions could be "sudo apt-get install xchat-dccfix" or something
[07:40] <Hobbsee> trippss: smashing people's config changes are usually a Bad Thing (tm), and is prohibited by debian policy.
[07:40] <stdin> xchat was actually only recently fixed iirc
[07:40] <Hobbsee> so that would never get in.
[07:40] <trippss> mmmm what a pain in the ass . . . . 
[07:40] <trippss> :)
[07:40] <trippss> gotta love script kiddies!
[07:41] <Hobbsee> dodgy.  it only got done on feb 14.
[07:41] <Hobbsee> the rest all got done, i'm sure, much earlier
[07:41] <trippss> Hobbsee, gotcha on the debian policy . . . would this apply to ugly multiverse repo stuff too?
[07:41] <stdin> xchat-gnome on the same day :/
[07:41] <Hobbsee> hmm, apparently xchat-gnome got done on the same day
[07:42] <Hobbsee> trippss: of course
[07:42] <trippss> rgr that
[07:43] <Hobbsee> trippss: multiverse only means "not fully redistributable"
[07:43] <trippss> Hobbsee, right
[07:43] <Hobbsee> not "packages made of crap"
[07:43] <trippss> Hobbsee, lol
[07:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:43] <Hobbsee> konversation was done on Sat, 27 Jan 2007
[07:43] <Hobbsee> i thought the rest were all done pretty quickly afterwards - they may have dropped, and readded though
[07:44] <Hobbsee> konversation was one of the last, iirc.
[07:44] <Hobbsee> bug 191691
[07:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191691 in xchat-gnome "To prevent dcc exploit, default port should be 8001 for irc.ubuntu.com" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191691
[07:44] <ubotu2> launchpad bug 191691 in xchat-gnome (and 1 others): "To prevent dcc exploit, default port should be 8001 for irc.ubuntu.com" [Medium,Fix Released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/191691
[07:45] <Hobbsee> strange.
[07:46] <trippss> i guess since i'm using regular xchat and not xchat-gnome my port is still 6667
[07:46] <Hobbsee> what version of ubuntu did you originally install?
[07:46] <trippss> Hobbsee, gutsy gibbon
[07:46] <Hobbsee> did you bring over config files before that?
[07:46] <trippss> Hobbsee, no fresh install
[07:47] <Hobbsee> hmm.  Then it must have never happened.
[07:47] <Hobbsee> ohhh!  the bug i'm thinking of changed from irc.freenode.net --> irc.ubuntu.com, i think
[07:47] <trippss> Hobbsee, yeah this box is probably < 2 months old. all updates applied
[07:47] <stdin> I can't see anything in the changelog until 14th
[07:48] <trippss> irc.ubuntu.com in my server list for Ubuntu servers
[07:48] <Hobbsee> yeah.  it'll definetly be that bug i was thinking of
[07:49] <trippss> yeah adding a new server to the ubuntu server list in ubuntu defaults to 6667
[07:49] <trippss> just changed it to 8001. reconnecting. brb
[07:50] <Hobbsee> trippss: want a test?
[07:50] <trippss> yeah i think it still connected 6667 tho
[07:50] <trippss> mmm i'm still here ;)
[07:52] <trippsss> ok finally got 8001
[07:53] <trippsss> FWIW needed to check "only connect to this server" in xchat to connect to 8001 as in server list
[07:53] <Hobbsee> ah ha...
[07:53] <Hobbsee> so, why didn't my test work?  or did it lag?
[07:53] <trippsss> Hobbsee, must have - ran test in read-topic and was kicked
[07:54] <trippsss> even though did say "received malformed dcc request" strange
[07:54] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:54] <trippsss> gonna run a test me in read-topic to check it out
[07:54] <shinymonster> trying to
[07:55] <shinymonster> it still won't let me
[07:55] <trippsss> oh heh running an alternate nick
[07:55] <Hobbsee> was trying to
[07:55] <Hobbsee> still won't let me
[07:55] <stdin> [07:54]<FloodBot2> trippsss has requested an exploit test, but is not known as a victim
[07:56] <trippss> ok now old nick try again
[07:56] <trippss> ok cool that seems to work
[07:56] <Hobbsee> oh, so it only tests victims.
[07:56] <stdin> yeah, no point in testing others ;)
[07:57] <Hobbsee> well, true
[07:57] <trippss> i suppose one could join ubuntu and change to old nick then?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> well, you'd really have to get caught by the exploit again, it looks like
[07:58] <stdin> if you joined with an alt nick, then /nick'd to the old one you'd be muted (and I think not able to change nicks again either)
[07:58] <Hobbsee> it won't test someone in an unregg'ed nick
[07:58] <trippss> right
[07:59] <trippss> cool appreciate your help. fun stuff, irc is. never gets old ;)
[08:00] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:00] <Hobbsee> y/w
[08:03] <trippss> i'm out. l8r.
[09:18] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, at one point people were sending friends to get tested who were not part of our system, just for kicks. i guess the mechanism had to be changed to avoid that
[09:19] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[09:19] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[09:20] <Hobbsee> come on bantracker....
[09:22]  * Hobbsee spanks mneptok and jpatrick
[09:22] <elkbuntu> drderek incoming
[09:24] <Myrtti> I think he knows not to come...
[09:24] <Myrtti> :-/
[09:24] <Hobbsee> mneptok: jpatrick eagles ban is not supposed to be undone.  I'm putting it in the bantracker this time
[09:26] <elkbuntu> drderek, you've been warned multiple times to not promote that channel in official channels.
[09:26] <DrDerek> -_-
[09:27] <elkbuntu> we do accept apologies, if they're genuine.
[09:29] <Hobbsee> but we don't like ban evasion.
[09:29] <DrDerek> yeah, I wasn't really thinking much of it. I'm a bit tired, though, by now I should know I shouldn't be on IRC when I'm tired.. but I am sorry - I mean, I have been getting better at what I say.
[09:29] <DrDerek> yeah..
[09:31] <elkbuntu> DrDerek, were you evading intentionally? (note a nick change usually underlies intent)
[09:32] <DrDerek> no, not intentionally
[09:32] <DrDerek> I wanted DrDerek because I use this handle on everything
[09:32] <Hobbsee> pretty hard to see how it's *not* intentional, when deliberatly changing nicks.
[09:32] <DrDerek> hence "Dr.Derek Live"
[09:32] <DrDerek> my radio station, and it's my handle on everything else that I use now.
[09:32] <elkbuntu> then why were you originally kagar?
[09:32] <DrDerek> It was my old gamer handle.
[09:33] <DrDerek> But I don't use it anymore
[09:33] <DrDerek> well, I was Lord Kagar -- then just Kagar.
[09:33] <DrDerek> And now Dr.Derek.
[09:34] <DrDerek> but yeah, I did delcare that I was "Kagar"
[09:34] <DrDerek> awhile ago.
[09:35] <DrDerek> through discipline of you guys 
[09:35] <ompaul> DrDerek, so ehh, anything else you would like to tell us .. 
[09:36] <DrDerek> I never changed my nick for ban evasion 
[09:36] <SNuxoll> erm, in DrDerek's defense, he thought his ban had been lifted
[09:36] <fdoving> DrDerek: hanging around this channel trying to exaplin anything is usually a waste of time. if anything it'll only get you banned from more channels.
[09:37] <DrDerek> It was
[09:37] <Hobbsee> nice ban history, though
[09:37] <DrDerek> LjL lifted it, I believe.
[09:37] <DrDerek> Hobbsee - I know
[09:37] <DrDerek> .
[09:38] <SNuxoll> I have quite an impressive ban history as well
[09:38] <elkbuntu> ok guys... as much as we know you love derek, this is between us and him, not us and the population of offtopic ;)
[09:38] <elkbuntu> SNuxoll, that's not something to be proud of
[09:38] <SNuxoll> elkbuntu: I know ;(
[09:39]  * ompaul asks SNuxoll to read the topic and not get another ban
[09:39] <ompaul> !idle | SNuxoll 
[09:39] <ubotu> SNuxoll: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[09:40] <Hobbsee> what i'd like to know is why the bantracker doesn't appear to be synced.
[09:40] <SNuxoll> well, I've said my peice, was just trying to point out that DrDerek wasn't purposefully trying to avoid a ban
[09:40] <Seveas> ompaul, have you been a bouncer in a sleezy bar? :)
[09:40] <SNuxoll> anyways, later everyone
[09:40] <Seveas> Hobbsee, because it's a broken piece of crap
[09:40] <Hobbsee> oh, you are here now
[09:42] <Hobbsee> Seveas: any eta on it being finished?
[09:43] <Hobbsee> Seveas: doesn't really matter.  Doesn't look like any of the current bans are still standing, although they appear to be in the bantracker.
[09:43] <DrDerek> my last ban was in Decemeber 
[09:43] <DrDerek> December -- and I haven't been banned since ten
[09:43] <Hobbsee> And while DrDerek and cronies can happily bitch about us in their channel, it looks like they're keeping it out of #ubuntu*, so I won't push for a nuke due to ban evasion.
[09:44] <elkbuntu> DrDerek, that's surely by some miracle...
[09:44] <Hobbsee> DrDerek: except for the 3 on jan 18.
[09:44] <DrDerek> I think that was a 24 hour one
[09:44] <DrDerek> I forget what for though
[09:45] <elkbuntu> DrDerek, in all seriousness, you walk a fine line and often lure others over that line, so i'd be working on my behaviour generally if i were you.
[09:45] <DrDerek> yessir
[09:45]  * Hobbsee watches other people's ices get thinner, as they border on harassment.
[09:45] <elkbuntu> that's yessum to you
[09:45] <jussio1> DrDerek: s/sir/ma'am
[09:46] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, whose?
[09:46] <DrDerek> eh
[09:46] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i'll /query you
[09:46] <elkbuntu> DrDerek, /whois me, dear
[09:46] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, k
[09:49] <elkbuntu> DrDerek, it's probably time you went and got some sleep or something
[09:50] <elkbuntu> this aint an idling channel ;)
[09:50] <DrDerek> tiz a good idear.
[09:55] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[10:40] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[10:40]  * stdin thinks something's wrong with FloodBot1
[10:40] <nalioth> klined
[10:41] <Mez> stdin, why?
[10:42] <stdin> because it keeps thinking there's a clone flood when there doesn't seem to be
[10:43]  * Mez hasnt looked at the clone flood code yet - thats new
[10:43] <stdin> it though there was at 05:59 and 06:59 too, but there wasn't any that I could see, and not many in -unregged  (3-5)
[10:44] <stdin> (UTC+1)
[10:47] <Mez> stdin - it apparently calls it when it has 2 or more people spamming at the same time
[10:47] <Mez> there may be a bug there
[10:47] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: who has been harrassing who?
[11:33] <jussio1> can someone put the release date in #ubuntu+1's topic? please?
[11:34] <jussio1> :)
[11:34]  * PriceChild whistles
[11:36] <elkbuntu> jussi01, nobody reads topics anyway
[11:37] <jussio1> heh
[11:40] <jussio1> argh, mouse is running out of battery...
[11:41] <nalioth> better than running out of the cage
[11:42] <jussio1> hehe
[11:59] <jussio1> irssi has: [+jussi01(+6ei)] what is the 6 for?
[11:59] <PriceChild> jussio1: unfiltered iirc
[11:59] <jussio1> PriceChild: ahh, yes, of course
[11:59] <jussio1> thanks
[12:00] <nalioth> jussio1: why it's the mark of the beast ( you have two to go )
[12:00]  * nalioth runs
[12:00] <jussio1> hehe
[12:13] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood during emergency mode)
[12:29] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i'll /query you, if you really want to know
[12:30] <PriceChild> please
[12:44] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: probably best you leave that channel if you don't want to read things like that.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: who said anything about me being in there.  anyway, /query
[12:48]  * jussio1 sighs at #kubuntu
[12:50]  * Hobbsee joins
[12:51] <nalioth> jussio1: your friend migrated to #xubuntu to continue his performance
[13:20] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[13:21] <PriceChild> think we need the limits relaxed a little?
[13:22] <elkbuntu> hmm?
[13:22] <PriceChild> ie for the next couple of weeks?
[13:22] <PriceChild> on the floodbots
[13:27] <stdin> it seems to be only bot1 that thinks there are clone floods, and normally when it sees someone flooding the channel
[13:28] <elkbuntu> considering i'm not even privy to what the limits are, i cant really weigh in on the topic
[14:14] <elkbuntu> ok, who flooded ljl :Þ
[14:17] <LjL> grrr konversation
[14:18] <LjL> and, #informaticaxp.org.log:[02:45] *** LjL!n=ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl has joined #informaticaxp.org
[14:18] <LjL> now how did this happen, i don't have auto-join-on-invite, and i sure hope my proxy isn't doing that for me
[14:19] <elkbuntu> wtf
[14:20] <LjL> spanish channel, i was probably invited from #ubuntu-es, the only fellow there's currently in there is someone i banned (for the nth time) yesterday >:
[14:28] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[16:36] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[16:39] <Hobbsee> When was the last time #ubuntu hit 1000 users, not including netsplits?
[16:39] <Seeker`> what do you mean by "hit" - do you mean dropped below
[16:39] <Hobbsee> yeah
[16:40] <Hobbsee> or got near that number
[16:40] <Hobbsee> ballpark time
[16:40] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: I suspect it was quite a while
[16:41] <Hobbsee> so we haven't dropped a few hundred users any time in the past few years.  Right.
[16:41] <Hobbsee> Making sure i've got my facts straight :)
[16:43] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: What do you want to know for?
[16:44] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: was just looking into some channel comparisons.
[16:45] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: You decided that #ubuntu is the best?
[16:46] <Seeker`> hmm, top trumps with irc channels
[16:47] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: heh.  Was also curious to know how much bigger than gutsy release day it had been, to get an idea of hwo much more complex it would be to monitor, come release day.
[16:47] <Seeker`> Gutsy release was ~1600 people?
[16:48] <Hobbsee> i thoguht we were sitting at 1200 before that
[16:48] <Hobbsee> (and more joined around release)
[16:48] <Seeker`> I meant on release day
[16:48] <Hobbsee> so we might be looking at 1700-1750 or so
[16:49] <Hobbsee> for release day
[16:49] <Seeker`> sounds reasonable
[16:49]  * Hobbsee nods
[16:50] <Hobbsee> maybe more, actually, as there will be dapper --> hardy questiosn - LTS should boost it a bit
[17:43] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[17:43] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[18:15] <Myrtti> yeah, Gutsy was 1600
[18:15] <Myrtti> I still remember how tired I was after that day
[18:39] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood during emergency mode)
[18:39] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood during emergency mode)
[18:39] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[18:39] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[18:41] <Seeker`> if you need any extra  help on release day, i'll probably be about
[19:37] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood during emergency mode)
[19:37] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[19:37] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood during emergency mode)
[19:51] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu+1 (nic456456123)
[20:22] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood during emergency mode)
[20:29] <jussio1> Hrm, is there a reason Im on the !o.ps list in #ubuntu+1 but not on the access list? is it just that there is no #ubuntu+1 specific !o.ps call?
[20:35] <stdin> apparently not
[22:06] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood during emergency mode)
[22:06] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[22:07] <PriceChild> LjL: they're calling those too easily
[22:09] <jussio1> heya PriceChild
[22:09] <PriceChild> Hey jussio1 
[22:09] <Seeker`> lo PriceChild 
[22:10] <PriceChild> lolo Seeker` 
[22:15] <Seeker`> lolo! :P
[22:29] <jussio1> hmm, is there somwhere that we can get channel stats? ie. top amounts of users, users per day etc?
[22:30] <PriceChild> irssistats or something i think
[22:30] <jussio1> PriceChild: yeah, I meant does ubotu have anything like that? are they published anywhere?
[22:31] <Daviey> jussio1: there was a chap doing it - but he couldn't afford to keep the server going IIRC
[22:32] <stdin> I don't think ubotu keeps those kinds of statistics either
[22:34] <jussio1> aha. 
[22:34] <jussio1> would anyone be opposed to me doing it in the future? 
[22:34] <Daviey> jussio1: it was at http://ubuntuircstats.org  
[22:34] <jussio1> Daviey: do you have any info on that guy? an irc nick?
[22:35] <Daviey> gouki iirc
[22:35] <Daviey> same chap as ubuntu users planet
[22:35]  * jussio1 pokes PriceChild
[22:35] <jussio1> Daviey: ok. thank you :)
[22:35] <Daviey> jussio1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gouki
[22:35] <PriceChild> jussio1: hmm?
[22:36] <jussio1> PriceChild: [00:31:13] <jussio1> would anyone be opposed to me doing it in the future? 
[22:36] <PriceChild> ah... doubt it
[22:36]  * jussio1 will soon have his own server up and running. 
[22:37] <Daviey> jussio1: might be worth asking him for the domain .. he's currently not using it!
[22:38] <jussio1> Daviey: good point. Ill have a look into it just as soon as I get my server happening. 
[22:39] <jussio1> ok, well Im off to bed. good night all. 
[22:48] <Gary> night
[23:17] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu (wildur)
[23:18]  * LjL doesn't understand
[23:19] <PriceChild> LjL: tab completion
[23:19] <LjL> right but the other was just pasting...?
[23:19] <Seeker`> Bad tab completion, as the person was just kicked by Pi.ci
[23:19] <LjL> uhm no
[23:20] <LjL> ok nevermind i'm stoned today
[23:20] <PriceChild> :/
[23:22] <LjL> he sure answered himself.
[23:24] <LjL> [00:24:07] <wof> does freenode think people are going to hack them by a version or something?
[23:24] <LjL> [00:24:22] <wof> you know don't bother answering that ...
[23:36] <LjL> council, see -irc, do we ask them to move?