[00:00] <damien_> Okay, a lost+found folder showed up
[00:00] <dwidmann> give the partition a label, add it to the fstab with the "user" option set?
[00:00] <damien_> But still cannot edit/delete/move anything
[00:01] <dwidmann> (also uid=1000,gid=1000,rw,exec,defaults
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: please help him put that drive in his fstab file. I failed...
[00:02] <damien_> How would I do all of that?
[00:02] <damien_> :/ Sorry I'm so much trouble
[00:03] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: what's the drive's device? I can probably automate the stuff for him
[00:03] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: ^ he pastebined "sudo fdisk -l" sda1 i believe.
[00:03] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: don't know how well it will work all in all, haven't really tried it, but if all else fails it'll still be a simplified mount with in the fstab ...
[00:04] <dwidmann> damien_: one sec
[00:04] <spiroo> Jucato: are you there?
[00:04] <Jucato> barely
[00:04] <damien_> dwidmann: okay
[00:04]  * Jucato just woke up....
[00:04] <dwidmann> Jucato: bright 'n early eh?
[00:05] <Woxdee> Using 7.10, smbd & nmbd running, I have set /media/hdb1 (ntfs) as shared through the system settings gui with 'advanced sharing', yet I can not get access to it: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) - the ntfs volume is mounted gid 100 uid 1001, with user 1001 having rw access normally.
[00:06] <spiroo> Jucato: Okay, well I got to ask you. Wondering, you know that I before installed qt4.4 from Riddells PPA. I wondering, how and which packages I should remove if I want to compile them myself instead: Seems like I cant get it to work if not. I have searched google, but i am not sure what I am looking for :d
[00:06] <damien_> dwidmann: I need to go right now, but if you could upload a .txt or something with instructions,I'd be grateful
[00:06] <Woxdee> That is the error even when attempting to smbmount it from the local host.
[00:06] <Woxdee> What on earth am I missing?
[00:06] <dwidmann> damien_: I've got it now
[00:06] <damien_> dwidmann: okay
[00:07] <dwidmann> damien_: I need you to open up Konsole and copy and paste these commands in
[00:07] <dwidmann> damien: sudo mkdir /media/external_disk
[00:07] <damien_> dwidmann: okay
[00:07] <damien_> dwidmann: Okay, done that
[00:07] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: it is not external...
[00:07] <dwidmann> damien: sudo su -c 'echo "/dev/sda1 /media/external_disk ext3 rw,user,gid=1000,uid=1000,exec,defaults 0 2" >> /etc/fstab'
[00:08] <Jucato> spiroo: again, you don't need to remove anything (unless the package is breaking other stuff). you just need to compile Qt in your home folder and set the environment variables (like QTDIR or PATH) to point to the correct locations, in the correct order. this will "overshadow" your qt installed from packages
[00:08] <Odd-rationale> sudo mv /media/external_disk /media/bad_disk....
[00:08] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: oh it isn't? oh well, it'll still work, it'll just be oddly named until we fix that :s
[00:08] <damien_> Okay now what
[00:08] <spiroo> Jucato: I am afraid that it does break "other stuff" :D
[00:08] <dwidmann> damien: umm, one sec, gonna rename it for you since it isn't external
[00:08] <damien_> Okay
[00:09] <dwidmann> damien: sudo mkdir /media/sda1
[00:09] <damien_> k
[00:09] <Jucato> spiroo: what other stuff are broken?
[00:09] <dwidmann> damien: sudo sed -i /etc/fstab -e "s/external_drive/sda1/g"
[00:10] <spiroo> Jucato: Some packages was broken and seems to conflict when I should compile KDE.
[00:10] <dwidmann> damien_: now try it and see if it works, I hope it will
[00:10] <damien_> Okay
[00:11] <damien_> Nope :(
[00:12] <dwidmann> damien_: okay, try this in Konsole: sudo umount /dev/sda1 && mount /dev/sda1
[00:12] <Jucato> spiroo: as I didn't use qt4.4 rc1 packages, I have no idea really what were upgraded.. you can try downgrading them perhaps?
[00:12] <damien_> Alright
[00:12] <dwidmann> damien_: See if you can access the files now, at /media/sda1
[00:12] <spiroo> Jucato: How do I do that? :P
[00:12] <damien_> Still can't do anything :/
[00:13] <dwidmann> damien_: you said you need to go right? be sure to drop back later ..... I'll figure something out if I'm around when you come back
[00:13] <damien_> I'm staying here now :P
[00:14] <dwidmann> damien_: oki doki
[00:15] <Jucato> spiroo: I kinda forgot but "sudo apt-get install package=version"
[00:15] <Jucato> (as I said, I just got up...)
[00:15] <dwidmann> damien_: can you pastebin the following things for me: 1) the contents of /etc/fstab file, 2) the output of the "sudo parted /dev/sda print" command, and 3) there is no 3.
[00:15] <spiroo> Jucato: Understandable :P
[00:16] <spiroo> Jucato: Funny thing is that I do not remember which package it instaleld :D
[00:17] <Jucato> spiroo: check the logs... /var/log/
[00:17] <damien_> Nothing happens when I do sudo parted /dev/sda print
[00:17] <dwidmann> damien_: hmm,
[00:18] <spiroo> Jucato: Thanks, will do
[00:18] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: are you sure it was /dev/sda* ??
[00:18] <damien_> It was dev/sda1
[00:18] <damien_> Here's the other thing you requested
[00:18] <damien_> http://pastebin.org/29562
[00:18] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: see the output of fdisk -l ^
[00:19] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: he said it was like 160 gb...
[00:19] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: damien_: but if /dev/sda doesn't have a filesystem, /dev/sda1 can't exist. That's nonsense ..... :s
[00:20] <Odd-rationale> :?
[00:20] <damien_> ;>_>
[00:20] <spiroo> Jucato: Weird but I think it solved itself now :D Without haveing to fix qt4.4 :P
[00:20] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: that command above that I had him try to run should have printed /dev/sda's partition table ....
[00:21] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: basically fdisk -l, but a bit prettier output, and a bit more specific about partition types
[00:22] <dwidmann> damien_: how much data do you currently have on that disk?
[00:22] <damien_> About 7gb
[00:23] <dwidmann> Hmm
[00:23] <damien_> 7.51gb to be exact
[00:24] <dwidmann> It looks like that one command I had you run a while ago didn't do anything at all, which is exceedingly odd. Did it give you any errors when you tried to run it. (it was the one after the mkdir command, before you said you were going to leave, then decided you were going to stay, and such, back then)
[00:25] <damien_> Uh...
[00:25] <damien_> hold on
[00:25] <dwidmann> damien: this one: sudo su -c 'echo "/dev/sda1 /media/external_disk ext3 rw,user,gid=1000,uid=1000,exec,defaults 0 2" >> /etc/fstab'
[00:26] <dwidmann> crud, forgot to change the external_disk thing again, but you know which one it is now
[00:26] <damien_> Nope, no errors
[00:26] <dwidmann> anyhow, lets try this again damien_, ::: sudo su -c 'echo "/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ext3 rw,user,gid=1000,uid=1000,exec,defaults 0 2" >> /etc/fstab'
[00:27] <damien_> Nothing at all again
[00:27] <dwidmann> damien_: try this: tail -1 /etc/fstab
[00:28] <damien_> Nothing :/
[00:28] <dwidmann> !!!
[00:28]  * dwidmann is confused now
[00:28] <damien_> Me too ;_;
[00:29] <dwidmann> you copied and pasted "tail -1 /etc/fstab" right?? ..... if that doesn't work then something's wrong ....if it outputs nothing that means your fstab is empty, which it isn't because you posted it a while ago
[00:30] <dwidmann> unless it recently became empty ....
[00:30] <damien_> I copied+pasted, nothing happened, it didn't put out my name+computer name or anything like that
[00:30] <damien_> Just blank.
[00:31] <dwidmann> that means it's still attempting to run something, maybe you included a quote (singular, ie: not both), and it's still waiting for a closing quote.
[00:31] <dwidmann> damien_: try pressing ctrl+c and then running the command again
[00:32] <damien_> Okay there we go
[00:32] <spiroo> GNU/Linux works too perfect, the only problem is us, who cannot handle it :D It is for me most of the time anyway :D
[00:32] <damien_>  /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0       0
[00:33] <dwidmann> damien_: and lets try that other command again too: maybe it was the same problem then (seeing as it looks like I was write about the quote thing)
[00:33] <dwidmann> anyhow, lets try this again damien_, ::: sudo su -c 'echo "/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ext3 rw,user,gid=1000,uid=1000,exec,defaults 0 2" >> /etc/fstab' ------- be sure to include the single quote at the end
[00:34] <damien_> I did that, it asked me to enter my password, I did, then it went back to damien@damien-desktop:
[00:34] <dwidmann> damien, alright, now the tail -1 thing again:::::::::: tail -1 /etc/fstab
[00:35] <damien_>  /dev/sda1 /media/external_disk ext3 rw,user,gid=1000,uid=1000,exec,defaults 0 2
[00:35] <dwidmann> Gooood, goooooooooood, it worked this time :)
[00:35] <pagan0ne> can anyone in here tell me where i can get help w/ kubuntu 8.04 beta?
[00:36] <damien_> :D
[00:36] <dwidmann> damien_: sudo umount /dev/sda1 && mount /dev/sda1
[00:36] <dwidmann> pagan0ne: #ubuntu+1
[00:36] <dwidmann> pagan0ne: and maybe #kubuntu-kde4
[00:36] <damien_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[00:36] <damien_>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[00:36] <damien_>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[00:36] <damien_>        dmesg | tail  or so
[00:37] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: well, /dev/sda1 definitely doesn't exist or doesn't have an ext3 fs.
[00:37] <damien_> It says it does in qtparted
[00:37] <dwidmann> damien_: the mount command is compelled to disagree apparently
[00:38] <damien_> :/
[00:38] <DarkriftX> damien_, have you tried 'cat /proc/partitions' ?
[00:38] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: i even made him run "sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1" and appearently it had no errors...
[00:38] <DarkriftX> that tells me if the partition is there, just not much about it
[00:38] <dwidmann> damien_: try running "sudo e2fsck /dev/sda1"
[00:39] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: that may be a bad thing seeing as he says he had data on that disk .....
[00:39] <damien_> e2fsck 1.40.2 (12-Jul-2007)
[00:39] <damien_> /dev/sda1: clean, 11/19218432 files, 651105/38409399 blocks
[00:39] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: he wanted to delete everything...
[00:40] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: he did? Oh, then that *greatly* simplifies things
[00:40] <damien_> :D
[00:40] <dwidmann> damien_: I vote for creating a new partition table. I'd say this is a nice time to introduce you to either qtparted or gparted, pick one.
[00:41] <damien_> I have qtparted, what now?
[00:41] <dwidmann> damien_: (or parted or fdisk if you want to)
[00:41] <dwidmann> damien_: one sec then, let me fire it up so I can walk you through it in a hurry
[00:41] <damien_> Okay
[00:42] <dwidmann> looks like I need to get it first, gimme 60 secs
[00:42] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: just use cfdisk... :)
[00:42] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: I'm familiar with it also.
[00:42] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: qtparted is buggy. imo
[00:43] <Odd-rationale> gparted is better, but install bunch of gnome deps. gksudo, ect.
[00:44] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: yeah, it's significantly better, but dependency wise it isn't too heavy, kind of worth it IMO ..... especially the gparted live cd (or better yet, systemrescuecd, which includes it and a plethora more)
[00:44] <dwidmann> damien_: alrighty then, I've got it up
[00:44] <damien_> dwidmann: okay
[00:44] <javier__> hello
[00:46] <pagan0ne> ok, i hope someone can help me, im starting to get the run-around here, i just installed kubuntu 8.04 and sudo, kdesu, kdesudo, and gksudo ask for a password but fail to launch anything... anyone help please?
[00:46] <dwidmann> damien_: crud, I can't touch anything, this is going to be partial guesswork on my end
[00:46] <javier__> someone has a problem with konqueror and flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.124 in gutsy gibbon?
[00:46] <dwidmann> damien_: first, go to operations -> format
[00:46] <damien_> I cant
[00:46] <damien_> It's unclickable
[00:47] <javier__> after updating from flash-plugin 9.0.115 youtube for example show  a grey box in the place of the video...
[00:47] <dwidmann> damien_: hmm, to heck with qtparted, pull up Konsole and we're going to do this with parted .... more stable anyway
[00:47] <dwidmann> damien: sudo parted /dev/sda
[00:48] <damien_> Okay, now what
[00:48] <DarkriftX> i love cfdisk for command line partitioning.... cfdisk -z /dev/xxx works great to start a fresh partition table
[00:48] <dwidmann>  damien_: type "mklabel" without the quotes
[00:48] <damien_> Alright
[00:49] <dwidmann> damien_: it will ask you for the type, type "dos" (from hereon out, don't include the quotes .... kay?)
[00:49] <damien_> I typed dos and it asked again
[00:49] <damien_> Wait, dos has to be in quotes?
[00:49] <dwidmann> damien_: now type mkpartfs, it will ask you some questions, the type of partition you want is ext3, you want it to run from 0 to 160
[00:49] <dwidmann> **to 160GB
[00:50] <dwidmann> it has to not be in quotes
[00:50] <damien_> New disk label type?  [msdos]? dos
[00:50] <damien_> New disk label type?  [msdos]?
[00:50] <dwidmann> msdos will do
[00:50] <damien_> Ok
[00:50] <DarkriftX> [xxxxx] means default
[00:50] <dwidmann> forgot that it wants msdos instead of just dos
[00:50] <dwidmann> indeed
[00:50] <damien_> primary or extended?
[00:51] <dwidmann> damien_: primary
[00:51] <damien_> Start?
[00:51] <dwidmann> damien_: 0
[00:51] <damien_> Oh ok
[00:51] <damien_> Alright, now it just says (parted)
[00:52] <dwidmann> damien_: and you put in 160GB for the end I presume? type print to make sure
[00:52] <damien_> I just put 160
[00:52] <damien_> and print outputs this
[00:52] <damien_> Disk /dev/sda: 160GB
[00:52] <damien_> Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
[00:52] <damien_> Partition Table: msdos
[00:52] <damien_> Number  Start  End  Size  Type  File system  Flags
[00:52] <dwidmann> damien_: that probably won't do, you need to type print to check that it didn't take it as oh, say, 160B
[00:53] <dwidmann> damien_: is there anything beneath that? if not, the partition _hasn't_ been created
[00:53] <damien_> Nope, nothing
[00:53] <damien_> Start over?
[00:53] <dwidmann> damien_: probably the 160, you needed to put 160GB
[00:53] <dwidmann> damien_: yes, same procedure, except 160GB this time
[00:54] <damien_> Okay
[00:54] <damien_> Okay, it says (parted again)
[00:54] <damien_> er
[00:54] <damien_> (parted) again
[00:55] <dwidmann> damien_: "print" and see if it made the partition
[00:55] <damien_> The default for FS is ext2
[00:55] <damien_> Same thing as before
[00:55] <dwidmann> damien_: you want ext3 though
[00:55] <damien_> Well, print outputs the saem as before :/
[00:55] <damien_> same*
[00:56] <dwidmann> That's ..... odd, to say the least
[00:56] <damien_> :/
[00:56] <dwidmann> can you pastebin the contents of that terminal where you went through parted trying to get it to create the partition?
[00:56] <dwidmann> !pastebin
[00:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[00:56] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: kind of wish one had root ssh access and do it oneself...
[00:56] <Odd-rationale> :)
[00:57] <DarkriftX> are you just trying to create a new single partition adn lose whatever is on the disk?
[00:57] <DarkriftX> if so, cfdisk -z /dev/sda will work great
[00:57] <DarkriftX> that starts a new partition and its menu driven
[00:57] <spiroo> ah this is life. Waiting for kdebase to be compiled from the trunk :D
[00:57] <damien_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63121/
[00:57] <dwidmann> spiroo: might want to take a nap
[00:58] <spiroo> dwidmann: Yes, a good idea ;) Maybe I will soon.
[00:59] <Fritzel> does anyone know why I can get this http://pastebin.com/d103d4b31 and still be online? something is off here
[00:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> Fritzel: i'm guessing magic?
[00:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> or you can just try pinging google.com or comcast.net
[00:59] <Fritzel> I'm starting to think that as well
[01:00] <Fritzel> pings work
[01:00] <dwidmann> DarkriftX: if you look at the contents of that pastebin though, it *looks* right ... odd eh?
[01:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> then it shouldn't be an issue
[01:00] <rafi> #kubuntu-fr
[01:00] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: you betcha
[01:01] <DarkriftX> Fritzel, in vista, i had an issue where no http/ftp would work, but irc and other stuff would work just fine (pings also). it turned out to be a socket problem which was the final push to linux for me.... i talked to someone in here who had a similar issue in linux
[01:01] <Fritzel> Daisuke_Laptop: normally it wouldn't be but I keep getting disconnected from wow like every 1-2 minutes
[01:01] <dwidmann> damien_: I've an idea now
[01:01] <damien_> dwidmann: okay
[01:01] <dwidmann> damien_: try using mkpart instead - when it asks you for the partition type enter "n" (without quotes)
[01:01] <DarkriftX> does look right dwidmann but somethign isnt working
[01:02] <Fritzel> DarkriftX: -nod- I don't have a clue how to diagnose that though
[01:02] <dwidmann> damien_: (that is, mkpart instead of mkpartfs)
[01:02] <DarkriftX> Fritzel, me either :S
[01:02] <DarkriftX> do you see any socket errors? and does a reboot fix it?
[01:02] <dwidmann> damien_: and you don't have to recreate the partition table again, that was a one time deal
[01:02] <damien_> Partition type?  primary/extended? n
[01:02] <damien_> Partition type?  primary/extended?
[01:02] <Fritzel> DarkriftX: I do have some updates to install though so I'm going to do that on my magical internet connection and see what results I get then
[01:02] <DarkriftX> primary
[01:02] <dwidmann> damien_: primary,
[01:02] <damien_> Oh you said n >_>
[01:02] <dwidmann> I oopsed
[01:02] <DarkriftX> lol
[01:03] <dwidmann> not for the partition type, but the file system type
[01:03]  * dwidmann slaps his forehead
[01:03] <damien_> oh ok
[01:03] <sparr_> whats the easiest way to get files from a windows vista pc to an ubuntu pc?  over the network, no sneakernet
[01:03] <damien_> Alright
[01:03] <damien_> Uh
[01:03] <damien_> Well
[01:03] <DarkriftX> sparr_, ftp?
[01:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> DarkriftX: i wonder if this is similar to the issue people have where they can connect here but can't connect to anything via http through konqueror
[01:04] <DarkriftX> setup an ftp server on the vista box and login with the linux one
[01:04] <damien_> Dolphin opened a new window after that
[01:04] <damien_> It gave me some giant error
[01:04] <damien_> Then when I tried to make a folder
[01:04] <damien_> Same error as before :/
[01:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> sparr_: samba, probably
[01:04] <damien_> That the creating of it failed
[01:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> or ftp, yes.
[01:04] <sparr_> DarkriftX: yeah, i might have to do that.  my linux ftpd allows the windows box to connect, but never offers a login prompt
[01:04] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: and if that's the case, removing knetworkmanager should help IIRC
[01:04] <DarkriftX> some dont
[01:04] <DarkriftX> some expect the client to "offer" the login info
[01:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> dwidmann: this isn't a problem with NetworkManager, why is KNetworkManager so different?
[01:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> it confuses me a little..
[01:05] <sparr_> Daisuke_Laptop: samba is a no go.  dont want to make sambad work in linux, and vista is pissing me off by not showing up in netbios scans
[01:05] <sparr_> DarkriftX: doesnt work from ftp://user:pass@host in windows explorer either
[01:05] <chris123> greets
[01:05] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: I just remember something about that, I forget the details, that was *ages* ago
[01:05] <DarkriftX> odd
[01:05] <sparr_> DarkriftX: and when i ftp localhost on the linux box, i get a prompt
[01:05] <chris123> anyone played with kubuntu on the eeepc?
[01:05] <DarkriftX> well, ftp server on vista isnt that hard
[01:05] <sparr_> this is one of the most ridiculous windows/linux incompatibilities
[01:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> then you have sneakernet
[01:05] <damien_> dwidmann: no help?
[01:05] <Fritzel> meh, same results
[01:05] <Odd-rationale> chris123: if i had one
[01:05] <dwidmann> damien_: have you tried "print" in parted yet? has it created a partition?
[01:06] <sparr_> Daisuke_Laptop: no, i dont, because the only CDRs i have are a color that one of the machines cant read
[01:06] <DarkriftX> damien_, lets try something new
[01:06] <DarkriftX> this should be cake to do
[01:06] <damien_> dwidmann: it has
[01:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> sparr_: it is ridiculous.  you can install Services For Unix (i don't know if it's part of Vista or not, but it's available free from MS) and you can use NFS
[01:06] <damien_> dwidmann: I just still cant modify files in the partition
[01:06] <dorkface> krdc should be able to login to a remote windows xp pro box, right?
[01:06] <dorkface> given the right permissions
[01:07] <DarkriftX> damien_, you have the partition created now?
[01:07] <dwidmann> damien_: it's an empty partition, to create the file system, close parted,  (type quit), and type "sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1"
[01:07] <DarkriftX> ahhhh, ext3 now fat?
[01:07] <cannon> whats the kubuntu version of gedit?
[01:07] <DarkriftX> kedit?
[01:07] <Odd-rationale> cannon: kate
[01:07] <DarkriftX> ahh
[01:07] <Fritzel> I'm going to reset my cable modem to factory defaults, and try that, I do get results to my router, but not to the cable modem
[01:07] <cannon> ta
[01:08] <damien_> dwidmann: darkriftX: it's writing inode tables now
[01:08] <DarkriftX> good
[01:08] <DarkriftX> thats where you want it
[01:08] <DarkriftX> after that, you should be able to mount it
[01:08] <damien_> Okay
[01:08] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: no, kedit is a bit more of an equivalent .... completely stripped down for a fast start time. Handy sometimes
[01:08] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: kate is better though
[01:08] <DarkriftX> i said kedit
[01:08] <DarkriftX> he said kate
[01:09] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: kedit is not included by default. is it? kwrite is...
[01:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> vi
[01:09] <DarkriftX> kate is sloooow as hell for me though (good, but slow)
[01:09] <Odd-rationale> nano
[01:09] <damien_> dwidmann: darkriftx: okay, it finished, now what?
[01:09] <DarkriftX> i like the good old nano!
[01:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> nano's good for quick edits, yes
[01:09] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: kedit isn't in by default, but that doesn't mean it isn't basically equivalent to gedit (like darkrfitx said)
[01:09] <DarkriftX> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /whereveryouwantit
[01:09]  * dwidmann likes good, older vim
[01:09] <damien_> okay
[01:10] <dwidmann> DarkriftX: it's already in the fstab
[01:10] <DarkriftX> ahhh
[01:10] <DarkriftX> then just nmount it without destination
[01:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> you dirty vi-loving dog, everyone knows emacs is superior!
[01:10] <damien_> >_>
[01:10] <damien_> So what do I do then
[01:10] <DarkriftX> whatever you want with it
[01:10]  * Daisuke_Laptop sits back and enjoys the show
[01:10] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: bah humbug
[01:10] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: ok. just didn't want him to come back and say "kedit: command not found" you know...
[01:10] <DarkriftX> throw masses of prawn or pirated movies on it if you want.... the possibilities are endless
[01:10] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: hm, true
[01:10] <damien_> So I do umount /dev/sda1 right?
[01:11] <DarkriftX> no
[01:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> why would i put shellfish on a hard drive?
[01:11] <DarkriftX> imount is unmount
[01:11] <damien_> oh
[01:11] <DarkriftX> its 'mount /dev/sda1'
[01:11] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: decoration?
[01:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> i dunno, just that he mentioned prawns...
[01:11] <damien_> dwidmann: darkriftx: got an error:
[01:11] <damien_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[01:11] <damien_>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[01:11] <damien_>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[01:11] <damien_>        dmesg | tail  or so
[01:11] <dwidmann> damien_: go to /media/sda1 and see if you can create a file
[01:11] <DarkriftX> was my g-rated method of mentioning xxx related material
[01:12] <dwidmann> >.<
[01:12] <Odd-rationale> :?
[01:12] <DarkriftX> wow, after all that, nothing changed
[01:12] <damien_> I can't :|
[01:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> no one here has any interest in that sort of thing.  except that guy, and that guy, and that guy through that guy inclusive...  and that guy...
[01:13] <dwidmann> damien_: try dmesg | tail and see if it has anything interesting for us to look at
[01:13] <Odd-rationale> we're a bad lot here... :(
[01:13] <damien_> This is what is output by dmesg | tail
[01:13] <damien_> http://pastebin.org/29574
[01:14] <dwidmann> wow, so I messed something up afterall
[01:14] <dwidmann> it was all me, I feel horrible now
[01:14] <DarkriftX> interesting
[01:14] <damien_> :/
[01:14] <DarkriftX> did we want fat or ext3?
[01:14] <dwidmann> Oh well, only human right?
[01:14] <damien_> Yep
[01:14]  * ubuntu lala
[01:15] <damien_> darkriftx: ext3
[01:15] <DarkriftX> i c
[01:15] <dwidmann> damien: kdesudo kate
[01:16] <damien_> Okay, kate is opened.
[01:16] <dwidmann> damien_: in the last line, remove the parts "gid=1000,uid=1000,"
[01:16] <DarkriftX> lol
[01:17] <DarkriftX> in fstab im guessing?
[01:17] <dwidmann> damien_: and it should finally be fixed ......PS I wish mount gave nicer error messages
[01:17] <damien_> Remove it from where O_o
[01:17] <dwidmann> DarkriftX: ummmm, yup
[01:17] <DarkriftX> /etc/fstab
[01:17] <damien_> Oh ok
[01:17] <dwidmann> sorry about that, I get ahead of myself ..... a lot
[01:17] <DarkriftX> its the finished product that matters
[01:18] <DarkriftX> and im sure he had a learning experience
[01:18] <dwidmann> DarkriftX: hopefully not an overtly negative one
[01:18] <damien_> We aren't done yet, guys
[01:18] <DarkriftX> if the drive works and he knows more then he did, i dont see why it would be
[01:18] <damien_> Access denied.
[01:18] <damien_> Could not write to /etc/fstab.part.
[01:19] <DarkriftX> erm
[01:19] <damien_> >_>
[01:19] <dwidmann> o.O
[01:19] <DarkriftX> kdesudo kate /etc/fstab
[01:19] <damien_> ok
[01:19] <DarkriftX> dont know where the .part. came from, never seen that before
[01:20] <damien_> Okay it saved
[01:20] <dwidmann> DarkriftX: some editors might create things like that (like vim's .swap things) ... see a lot of .part with download managers.
[01:20] <damien_> Uh
[01:20] <DarkriftX> yeah
[01:20] <damien_> Still not done
[01:20] <dwidmann> damien_: try "mount /dev/sda1"
[01:20] <damien_> Oh
[01:20] <damien_> ok
[01:20] <DarkriftX> heh
[01:20] <damien_> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /media/external_disk busy
[01:20] <damien_> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /media/external_disk
[01:21] <dwidmann> damien_: sudo umount /dev/sda1 first then
[01:21] <DarkriftX> lol, umount it then
[01:21] <damien_> Alright.
[01:21] <william> i added a new hard drive,  how do i automount it and select where it mounts
[01:21] <damien_> Access denied to /media/external_disk/New Folder.
[01:21] <damien_> :/
[01:21] <dwidmann> william: have you partitioned it yet?
[01:22] <william> yes
[01:22] <william> it's actually an ext3 formatted file system from another ubuntu machine of mine
[01:22] <DarkriftX> btw let me rant for a moment about naming it "umount" instead of "unmount", what kind of idiot would change the spelling of something that was intuitive to remove ONE CHARACTER
[01:22] <dwidmann> damien_: sudo rmdir /media/external_disk; cd /media/sda1
[01:22] <ign0ramus> hey guys.  this is probably really stupid, but - how do i get my Google search bar back in Konqueror?  it disappeared today, and I can't get it back! :/
[01:23] <Jucato> ign0ramus: Settings -> COnfigure Extensions -> make sure Search bar plugin is enabled. if it's not there, install the package konq-plugins
[01:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> DarkriftX: someone concerned with number of keystrokes to do something rather than readability?
[01:23] <dwidmann> DarkriftX: you've got me .....
[01:23] <damien_> rmdir: /media/external_disk: Device or resource busy
[01:23] <damien_> bash: cd: /media/sda1: No such file or directory
[01:23] <DarkriftX> one more keystroke to leave it intuitive
[01:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> one keystroke too many!
[01:23] <DarkriftX> why not then unmnt ?
[01:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> mnt and umnt would have made more sense to me
[01:24] <dwidmann> damien_: cd /; sudo rmdir /media/external_disk; sudo mkdir /media/sda1; sudo umount /dev/sda1; cd /media/sda1
[01:24] <Odd-rationale> sudo umount /media/external_disk
[01:24] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: agreed
[01:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm going to have to pastebin my iso mounting script when i get back to the desktop
[01:24] <ign0ramus> jucato: thx man :)
[01:25] <damien_> mkdir: cannot create directory `/media/sda1': File exists
[01:25] <damien_> umount: /dev/sda1: not mounted
[01:25] <damien_> :|
[01:25] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/iso /mount/point
[01:25] <Odd-rationale> better yet "sudo umount -l /media/external_disk" that will take it out. then rmdir /media/external_disk
[01:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> little more involved
[01:26] <dwidmann> damien_: does your /etc/fstab say "/media/external_disk" or "/media/sda1"?
[01:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> checks to see if /media/iso exists, creates it if it doesn't, mounts and unmounts depending on switches used
[01:26] <dwidmann> damien: sudo sed -i /etc/fstab -e "s%external_disk%sda1%g"
[01:26] <damien_>  /dev/sda1 /media/external_disk ext3 rw,user,exec,defaults 0 2
[01:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> nothing spectacular, but trying to get a new user to remember those arguments is futile (in my experience)
[01:27] <damien_> dwidmann: okay, it went back to damien@damien-desktop:
[01:28] <damien_> Still cant edit files/etc
[01:28] <dwidmann> damien_: now try to "mount /dev/sda1; cd /media/sda1; sudo chown $USER:$USER /media/sda1; Then try to create files
[01:28] <Cannon> !mount
[01:28] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[01:29] <damien_> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /media/sda1 busy
[01:29] <damien_> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /media/sda1
[01:29] <dwidmann> damien_: that's okay, you can ignore that now
[01:29] <damien_> Ok
[01:29] <damien_> WOOT
[01:30] <damien_> Thanks guys :D
[01:30] <damien_> Sorry it took so long
[01:30] <damien_> :/
[01:30] <dwidmann> damien_: now, try this: ln -sf /media/sda1 $HOME/sda1
[01:30] <Cannon> i've just gone into Disk and Filesystems to mount a drive and it won't let me even after entering admin password
[01:30] <damien_> But you were right, it's been a very productive learning expierience for me
[01:30] <william>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
[01:30] <william> ```*-=zxcc
[01:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> hey Fritzel: had a bit of an issue traceroute-ing comcast.net myself.  hit my router, but apparently never made it
[01:31] <damien_> Nothing happened after that dwidmann
[01:31] <dwidmann> damien_: uh huh, look in your home directory!
[01:31] <Cannon> !mount terminal
[01:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mount terminal - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:31] <Cannon> !mountterminal
[01:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mountterminal - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:31] <damien_> I see nothing but a folder named damien
[01:32] <Fritzel> Daisuke_Laptop: I seem to have similar results wherever I do it
[01:32] <Odd-rationale> damien_: look in /home/damien
[01:32] <dwidmann> damien_: that's odd, it should have added a link to /dev/sda1; try this --- ln -sf /media/sda1 /home/damien/sda1
[01:33] <damien_> Ah okay, I found it
[01:33] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: i think he just looked in /home
[01:33] <damien_> Thanks :D
[01:33] <Odd-rationale> damien_: glad you got that fixed!
[01:33] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: *nod*
[01:33] <damien_> Thanks so much :D
[01:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> Fritzel: so at least we know that it's not a problem on your end
[01:33] <dwidmann> damien_:  no problem at all
[01:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> comcast is just satan's isp.
[01:33] <damien_> Time to head out, thanks again guys.
[01:33] <Cannon> if I have my kubuntu installed on a hard drive ... amd I allowed to mount a partition on another hdd?
[01:34] <Cannon> cos it doesn't seam to be letting me
[01:34] <dwidmann> damien_: and if I weren't such a screw up tonight you wouldn't have gotten to learn as much :)
[01:34] <Fritzel> Daisuke_Laptop: I did however just redo my entire network configuration and I'm getting almost 7.5M/s (double what I was getting earlier) so at very least it couldnt' have hurt
[01:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> good call
[01:34] <Odd-rationale> Cannon: what do you mean by "mount a partition on another hdd"?
[01:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> i would like to say i hate you, but i mean that in the nicest way possible.  3mbps is ridiculous, and barely worthy of being called "broadband"
[01:35] <Cannon> i can't seem to get access to sda4 Odd-rationale
[01:35] <Odd-rationale> Cannon: just wait. i'll be back....
[01:35] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: it can get much, much, much worse than that
[01:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh i know
[01:35] <Cannon> k
[01:36] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: that would be a major trade up if I could get something like that :(
[01:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> but it's ridiculous to see the US (in an urban area) getting absolutely horrendous speed compared to the vast majority of europe
[01:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> well, that's not entirely fair
[01:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's also partly my apartment complex's fault
[01:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> they won't let verizon run fios here
[01:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> i could have 15/15 :(
[01:37] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: I'd love to have that too :(
[01:37] <william> me too
[01:38] <william> does anyone here use sli
[01:38] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: instead I've got 1mbps/200kbps
[01:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> we also can't get actual cable television, they have us locked in to a cruddy satellite service (not dish/directv, i'd be okay with that.  $37 a month for about 40 channels...  it would be a lot cheaper if we could choose NOT to get espn :( )
[01:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> dwidmann: that's painful
[01:39] <william> xorg seems to weird out when i try to boot in linux with 2 sli cards
[01:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> 15mbps both ways is almost like a dream to me
[01:39] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: not half as horrible as you think from hearing that -- I also have an ugly FAP, horrendous bill, and 1s latency.
[01:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> satellite?
[01:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> or just last-mile?
[01:40] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: most unfortunately
[01:40]  * Daisuke_Laptop cringes
[01:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm okay with my service now
[01:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> at least for internet
[01:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> television does NOT impress me :(  i don't watch ESPN, why should I be paying for it?
[01:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> (not to mention ESPN2, ESPN Classic, FOX Sports...  10% of my channels account for 25% of my bill if not more :\
[01:42] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: when I lived in town though, man, that cable connection was something else. I used to have like 40mbps/400kbps .... it was a new area, practically no subscribers. Why oh why oh why did I have to move T_T
[01:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> good question
[01:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> does it make me a complete nerd if part of my criteria when getting a house is connectivity?
[01:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> well, a major part of the criteria
[01:43] <Odd-rationale> Cannon: ok .back. what was the problem?
[01:43] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: download wasn't capped, I'm grabbing the download number off of what I had pulled off of someone with a T3 connection one time. I clocked it at 5.5MB/s, sustained.
[01:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> for instance, if i can get really fast service, i don't care if i'm 15 yards from train tracks
[01:43] <Cannon> mounting sda4
[01:43] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: you and me both
[01:43] <Cannon> sudo mount /dev/sda1 ... something missing here?
[01:44] <Odd-rationale> Cannon: you need a mount point
[01:44] <Odd-rationale> Cannon: sudo mount /dev/sda4 /mnt
[01:44] <william> ... /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[01:44] <Odd-rationale> Cannon: and the mount point must exist.
[01:45] <Cannon> k
[01:45] <Cannon> thanks, working now
[01:45] <Odd-rationale> is there a way to have bash completion in konversation?
[01:45] <Odd-rationale> that would be great...
[01:46] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: the name completion can be made bash-style, but apart from that I don't think there's anything else you can do about things
[01:53] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann: does other irc clients have bash tab completions? irssi?
[01:54] <sparr_> when there are multiple open-with associations for a filetype, how can i change the one that gets used for a normal doubleclick/enter/open?
[01:54] <dwidmann> Odd-rationale: I dunno, haven't felt the need to use anything other than konversation
[01:55] <dwidmann> sparr_: right click the icon, properties, click the little wrench
[01:56] <dwidmann> sparr_: then use move up/move down to change the order around
[02:16] <nohelphere> is there discussion for Kubuntu hardy heron here?
[02:16] <spanther> heya what do i have to do that my ubuntu completely turns into an kubuntu?
[02:16] <mac|martalli> nohelphere: #ubuntu+1
[02:16] <nohelphere> thx
[02:17] <mac|martalli> spanther: sudo apt-get install #kubuntu-desktop
[02:17] <spanther> mac|martalli, thats all?
[02:17] <spanther> mac|martalli, i've installed the package "kde" so is that bad now?
[02:17] <mac|martalli> I believe so.  You will still have gnome or whatever you started with as a possibility in the login screen
[02:17] <mac|martalli> spanther: Probably not
[02:18] <spanther> okay :)
[02:18] <mac|martalli> kde is probably a dependency of the kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[02:18] <spanther> and how to remove gnome completely? i wont have compatibility issues later between gnome and kde
[02:19] <mac|martalli> Well, I havbe not tried this...
[02:19] <mac|martalli> You might try sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[02:19] <mac|martalli> and then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:19] <mac|martalli> Might want to hear if anyone else here has tried it
[02:20] <mac|martalli> In fct, you might want to log out, then log into the "console" choice from the login screen first, since gnome will probably be unastable after uninstalling the #ubuntu-desktop =)
[02:20] <spanther> oh and where to get a clean new kubuntu sources.list? mines modified and well i dont know everything to redo it
[02:21] <mac|martalli> or to run these commands from tty console (ctrl-alt-f1 for example)
[02:21] <mac|martalli> spanther:  It's the same exact repos
[02:21] <spanther> no i mean i had played around with other ressources i put in there
[02:22] <mac|martalli> What did you add to it?  Just comment out or remove the lines that you added before.  There azre not repos specific to standard kubuntu or ubuntu, though
[02:22] <spanther> thats the problem i cant remember what has to stay in there and what can be removed
[02:22] <mac|martalli> Sounds like you know how to edit the actual /etc/apt/source.list file, though
[02:22] <spanther> sure ^^
[02:23] <mac|martalli> Did you make a backup of the original file?  Something like 20071215.sources.list
[02:23] <spanther> nope :(
[02:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> spanther?
[02:23] <spanther> Daisuke_Laptop, yes?
[02:23] <william> does hardy handle multiple (SLI) videocards well?
[02:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> editing should create a backup automatically in /etc/apt/
[02:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> sources.list~ i believe
[02:24] <spanther> but after a second edit wont this sources.list~ overwritten then?
[02:24] <mac|martalli> spanther I am sure you could find one somewhere, but you could probably get a virginal copy by booting from the livecd and copying the file to a usb key or emailing it to yourself
[02:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> quite possibly
[02:24] <spanther> hehe
[02:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> would be quicker to get a new one elsewhere...
[02:24] <spanther> yep :)
[02:25] <spanther> i only need informations which sources have to stay inside
[02:25] <mac|martalli> which version spanther?
[02:25] <spanther> cause i ever get "install packages without verification" errors hehe
[02:25] <spanther> mac|martalli, this doesnt matter version is just a project name i can change ever :)
[02:25] <mac|martalli> That just means your haven't uploaded all the right gpg information
[02:26] <spanther> its gutsy actually
[02:26] <mac|martalli> spanther - I was looking for a copy on the web of the standard sources.list...but that varies a little from version to versiopn
[02:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63131/
[02:26] <spanther> ooh i thought they only switch these names like "gutsy" or "hardy" and so on
[02:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> that *does* default to the UK repository archive
[02:27] <william> hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000
[02:27] <spanther> this is yours? :)
[02:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> nope
[02:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> this is 30 seconds of googling :D
[02:28] <spanther> Daisuke_Laptop, dont be like this you surely know that "you" will see if thats what you need cause you know if thats right or a wrong list but how should i know this? :P
[02:28] <spanther> youre more experienced so you see it :)
[02:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> it has the major repos (main, restricted, universe, multiverse), plus gutsy-security, gutsy-updates
[02:29] <spanther> i can search for things too but maybe follow wrong ways and end up with a messed up system because of a bad manual :)
[02:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> just googled "default gutsy sources.list"
[02:29] <mac|martalli> There is also the source-o-matic but its apparently down
[02:29] <nonewmsgs> i am having trouble mounting a drive
[02:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> for the repos, as long as they actually say ubuntu.com, you should be okay
[02:30] <spanther> yes Daisuke_Laptop but you have the knowledge to see if thats the true list or a wrong one :)
[02:30] <nonewmsgs> i would like it as home/me/newdrive
[02:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> spanther: that's jsut a matter of being around for a while
[02:30] <nonewmsgs> but i would settle for at least being able to access it
[02:30] <mac|martalli> Yeah, I learned almost everything I know about linux here on freenode
[02:30] <spanther> Daisuke_Laptop, its better to ask people who are more experienced than doing something what could destroy the system because of trying itself :)
[02:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> you look at enough copies of sources.list, you start to recognize what is and isn't right :)
[02:31] <spanther> i prefer learning from others who know it than trying it myself
[02:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> ahh...  no, i didn't mean you should have been able to find it right off
[02:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> i was just saying that i found a copy through google rather than using my own
[02:31] <spanther> is that correct that initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic were installed now?
[02:31] <mac|martalli> spanther - make sure you have a separate /home partition and almost nothing can damage your system beyond repair
[02:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> (which is so far from default it's almost come 'round the other side)
[02:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> spanther: in gutsy, that's right
[02:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's the current gutsy kernel version
[02:32] <spanther> Daisuke_Laptop, i mean it updated now after installing kde-desktop :)
[02:32] <spanther> ah okay
[02:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> should be alright :)
[02:32] <spanther> well okay lets try brb ^^
[02:32] <mac|martalli> kubuntu-desktop, not kde-desktop
[02:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> going to reboot myself, going to check out opengeu
[02:36] <spanther> yay for me the blue kubuntu bootsplash is much more pretty and the login screen has more details like this account preview :)
[02:37] <mac|martalli> Is is unfortunate that the better DE is the ugly step sister to gnome in the *buntu world.
[02:37] <spanther> DE ?
[02:37] <nonewmsgs> can i mount a new hard drive in my home folder??
[02:37] <mac|martalli> But even without proper attention from Canonical, kubuntu is a great OS
[02:37] <spanther> nonewmsgs, if you create a dir sure you can mount into that dir :)
[02:37] <mac|martalli> De = desktop environment
[02:38] <spanther> mac|martalli, so do you mean gnome is better? ^^"
[02:38] <spanther> or how do you mean your sentence
[02:38] <nonewmsgs> thanks spanther
[02:39] <nonewmsgs> so i just edit my fstab
[02:39] <mac|martalli> no, I think KDE is much better then gnome
[02:39] <spanther> nonewmsgs, you can point with mount to every folder as target for your desired partition :)
[02:39] <spanther> mac|martalli, ah okay :)
[02:39] <mac|martalli> That's why kubuntu can be so good, even when they employ so few people (mainly just Riddell) to keep kubuntu going
[02:40] <mac|martalli> nonewmsgs - Is this a usb dev ice, or a new HD in your computer?
[02:40] <spanther> well for real i think kde 4 is ugly i've seen some pictures of it and i dont like this well overloaded design :(
[02:40] <spanther> its a bit like vista X.x
[02:41] <mac|martalli> spanther - it s really prettyy nice, but like vista the dressy bits take upa afir bit of screen space.  It will need some tweaking to fit into places like the eee pc
[02:41] <nonewmsgs> mac|martalli: new hard drive in my computer
[02:41] <mac|martalli> spanther - However, by the time 8.10 comes out I think it will be very spiffy
[02:41] <spanther> well :X
[02:42] <mac|martalli> nonewmsgs - Does it show up in /media?
[02:42] <spanther> i do like the blue standard design of 3.5 which looks functional modern and slim :)
[02:42] <nonewmsgs> no :(
[02:42] <mac|martalli> You could just link it to you /home folder if it did
[02:42] <mac|martalli> nonewmsgs: Hmmm
[02:43] <mac|martalli> Was it recognized by the BIOS?  Sometimes the power isn't there or the cables aren't quite tight
[02:43] <nonewmsgs> yes
[02:43] <nonewmsgs> it is recognized and shows up in ohh yes taht media
[02:43] <nonewmsgs> it shows up in "media" but not in "/media"
[02:43] <spanther> okay booted with kdm and into kde so nothing of gnome is running how to remove gdm and gnome now? completely? somebody knows which packages?
[02:44] <mac|martalli> Probably you need to mount it and then it will be in /media...Double click in dolphin
[02:44] <nonewmsgs> it wont
[02:44] <nonewmsgs> i made folder for it and it says already occupied
[02:45] <mac|martalli> Can you double click on it from dolphin and see files in it?
[02:45] <nonewmsgs> otherwise it says hal-storage fixed-mount refused uid 1000
[02:45] <nonewmsgs> no
[02:45] <mac|martalli> Sometimes you need to give yourself rwx privleges
[02:45] <mac|martalli> on the drive, or edit fstab
[02:45] <mac|martalli> I don't think I can help with that off the cuff
[02:46] <spanther> rwx = read write  and??? whats x ? :)
[02:46] <mac|martalli> execute
[02:46] <nonewmsgs> delte
[02:46] <nonewmsgs> oh
[02:46] <spanther> ah ok :)
[02:46] <Daisuke_Live> this is...  interesting
[02:46] <mac|martalli> Maybe daisuke can help
[02:46] <Daisuke_Live> hmm?
[02:46] <Daisuke_Live> i'm trying to figure out what makes opengeu so special
[02:47] <Daisuke_Live> feels like ubuntu with enlightenment as the default WM
[02:47] <mac|martalli> nonewsmsgs put a new hd in his computer and can't get access to it now
[02:48] <mac|martalli> Do you know how to edit fstab to give him privleges to the HD, or to mount it with every boot?
[02:48] <nonewmsgs> huh i got it with kdusudo and kate
[02:48] <nonewmsgs> jsut now
[02:48] <Daisuke_Live> kdesudo
[02:48] <nonewmsgs> while looking for fstab
[02:48] <nonewmsgs> ..so it is working but i still can't find fstab.  i looked in /boot
[02:48] <Daisuke_Live> nonewmsgs, it's in /etc
[02:49] <Daisuke_Live> /etc/fstab
[02:49]  * nonewmsgs wuold have voted for /boot
[02:50] <Vincent> Hey guys. I'm trying to install the drivers for my NVIDIA 8800 GTS using the sh command, but I'm told that Server X is keeping it from doing its job. Could I have a clue how to shut Server X down and how to bring it back up?
[02:50] <Daisuke_Live> nope, boot loads the kernel and mounts the root filesystem...  after that's available then the root filesystem takes over
[02:50] <Vincent> I'm new, as you can see
[02:50] <nonewmsgs> oo
[02:50] <mac|martalli> Vincent  - in kubuntu, use system settings
[02:50] <spanther> Vincent, use the "init 3" command means "sudo init 3" :)
[02:50] <spanther> this closes kdm and X
[02:50] <spanther> then later "sudo init 5" to go back :)
[02:50] <Vincent> Ok
[02:51] <Daisuke_Live> that won't work
[02:51] <mac|martalli> nvidia drivers can be installed from the gui in kubuntu
[02:51] <Vincent> I have the .run file from the Nvidia website downloaded though...
[02:51] <nonewmsgs> now i want "nodev,nosuid 0 2" right?
[02:51] <spanther> Daisuke_Live, why not?
[02:51] <mac|martalli> No need to download directly from nvidia and install in the shell
[02:51] <Daisuke_Live> spanther, runlevels are handled very oddly in ubuntu
[02:51] <Vincent> What if I want to get used to working with the shell and Linux though?
[02:51] <spanther> Daisuke_Live, damn v.v  well.....yeah i was thinking what i've learned from debian :/
[02:52] <Daisuke_Live> Vincent, then choose another project to do so, this will only cause heartache
[02:52] <Daisuke_Live> every time you update the kernel, your video will not start
[02:52] <Daisuke_Live> bit of a hassle, really
[02:52] <mac|martalli> Vincent - you can do that, but if you let ubuntu do it, then the nvidia driver is less likely to break with kernel updates
[02:52] <Vincent> Alright so where in System Settings do I find this?
[02:52] <Daisuke_Live> so you're going to want to go through system settings for this one
[02:52] <Daisuke_Live> restricted drivers, i believe
[02:52] <Vincent> Totally makes sense
[02:53] <nonewmsgs> Daisuke_Live:  do i want nodev,nosuid 0 2
[02:53] <mac|martalli> It should have offered it to you on your first boot, but that can be easy to miss
[02:53] <Vincent> So basically I just check the NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver checkbox?
[02:53] <nonewmsgs> yes
[02:53] <Daisuke_Live> Vincent, exactly
[02:53] <spanther> Daisuke_Live, i've learned runlevels from debian where ubuntu is based on i didnt knew it better ^^"
[02:53] <Daisuke_Live> spanther, no worries :)
[02:54] <spanther> they really should give the real runlevels back to us :)
[02:54] <Daisuke_Live> anymore there's not really any need
[02:54] <Daisuke_Live> nonewmsgs, what filesystem?
[02:54] <nonewmsgs> ext3
[02:55] <Vincent> Oh and one more thing, how do I setup my dual-screens on Ubuntu?
[02:55] <nonewmsgs> my new fstab line "/dev/hdb1 /home/william/newdrive1 nodev,nosuid ,2"
[02:55] <Daisuke_Live> you need the filesystem type in there
[02:55] <Daisuke_Live> try "/dev/hdb1 /home/william/newdrive1 ext3 rw,defaults 0 0"
[02:56]  * nonewmsgs doesnt understand the last stuffs
[02:56] <Daisuke_Live> nor do i, that's why i opt for defaults
[02:56] <Daisuke_Live> i'd give you the lines i use for ext3, but i'm on a livecd right now
[02:56] <spanther> but i think i really will miss this steal like bar for tasks and the good old K root menu when 4.0 comes :(
[02:56] <nonewmsgs> when i moved /home to another drive i followed the howto and it said to do it like this
[02:56] <Daisuke_Live> turns out opengeu is pretty nice
[02:57] <nonewmsgs>  /dev/sda1 /home ext3 nodev,nosuid 0 2
[02:57] <nonewmsgs> thats what i based mine on
[02:57] <Vincent> Well thanks for the  help. I'll reboot to see how  those new drivers work
[02:58] <kelsa|martalli> spanther - there is an option for the old kde menu, although I am starting to get used to the new one
[02:58] <Daisuke_Live> give mine a shot, save fstab, then sudo mount -a
[02:58] <kelsa|martalli> spanther: In fact, my five year old is fine with the new menu =)
[02:59] <Daisuke_Live> kelsa|martalli, i think for me it's just not being used to it fright off...  once the favourites is populated i should be alright :\
[02:59] <nonewmsgs> here we go im a-rebootin.  if i dont come back ina  couple minutes that means my computer won't start :P
[02:59] <spanther> kelsa|martalli, but the new is like vista i mean this switching inside of a panel from menu to menu i like this old tree menu more i can find things much faster there than on these new designer menus :/
[02:59] <Daisuke_Live> nonewmsgs, whoa
[02:59] <Daisuke_Live> no need to reboot to mount a filesystem!
[03:00] <kelsa|martalli> Daisuke_Live: That's true.  They should also allow for some more variations before committing to 4.1, so you can have more apps in the favourites list, for instance
[03:00] <nonewmsgs> ok
[03:00] <spanther> your five year old doesnt know it better :PPP he's using what you give to him ^^
[03:00] <kelsa|martalli> spanther: let katapault bring you back to the cli days
[03:00] <Daisuke_Live> nonewmsgs, once it's saved, sudo mount -a
[03:00] <kelsa|martalli> alt-space and type a few letters
[03:00] <kelsa|martalli> You might forget what the k is down there for
[03:00] <kelsa|martalli> =)
[03:00] <nonewmsgs> [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[03:00] <Daisuke_Live> kelsa|martalli, i use yakuake :D
[03:00] <spanther> but i do like this K  :P
[03:01] <Daisuke_Live> nonewmsgs, make sure you hit enter after that last line
[03:01] <Daisuke_Live> (in kate)
[03:01] <nonewmsgs> but it works
[03:01] <nonewmsgs> yay
[03:01] <kelsa|martalli> spanther: Like I said, they have the old K menu as an alterantive in kde4
[03:01] <Daisuke_Live> nonewmsgs, told you :P
[03:01] <nonewmsgs> thanks  :D i love you (in a very hetro way) and i love linux
[03:01] <spanther> i hope they wont ever remove  the old one cause i need it :) its easier to find things and faster for me ^^
[03:01] <spanther> nonewmsgs, who doesn't ? xD
[03:02] <Daisuke_Live> kelsa|martalli, yakuake is possibly the greatest thing since sliced bread.  alt+~ gives me a dropdown terminal window no matter what else i'm doing :D
[03:02] <spanther> kelsa|martalli, gratulation for your son btw. :)
[03:03] <Daisuke_Live> i've already decided that when i have children (in about a year or so) their first experience will be with ubuntu...  or my old trs-80 :D
[03:03] <kelsa|martalli> my son is just 5 lol
[03:03] <spanther> Daisuke_Live, a good choice xD freedom in code = freedom in mind :)
[03:03] <kelsa|martalli> My vic 20 needs a $20 TV connector...but the trs-80 outclasses a vic 20
[03:03] <Daisuke_Live> exactly
[03:04] <nonewmsgs> it isnt letting me delete stuff off my drive?
[03:04] <kelsa|martalli> kubuntu is great for kids,,,lots of educational software
[03:04] <kelsa|martalli> nonewmsgs: You don't have proper privleges
[03:04] <nonewmsgs> access denied
[03:04] <nonewmsgs> how can i mount it with proper privledges
[03:04] <Daisuke_Live> nonewmsgs, change that line in fstab to rw,defaults,uid=1000
[03:05] <spanther> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/KDE_4.png  <-- this black bar is so ugly and this menu so slow xD its like vista eye candy :P but i prefer Win2000 over Vista xD
[03:05] <Daisuke_Live> i will expose him or her to linux fist and foremost, but if they choose windows, so be it.  but my fiancee, her parents, my parents all use ubuntu :D
[03:05] <nonewmsgs> [mntent]: line 12 in /etc/fstab is bad
[03:05] <Daisuke_Live> hrmm
[03:05] <Daisuke_Live> can you pastebin your fstab?
[03:06] <nonewmsgs> yes
[03:06] <spanther> kelsa|martalli, for real this menu i know it out of suse allready you click at "applications" then you wait till they come up then you click at a section to get the ingredients if there isnt it you have to go back its so slow xDDD
[03:07] <nonewmsgs> http://pastebin.com/d3434ee9c
[03:08] <Daisuke_Live> http://pastebin.com/m155cd67d
[03:08] <kelsa|martalli> spanther: It would be nice if we could go through the menu (any menu) with keystrokes.  Of course, i am an old fogey who used programs like wp 5.1 just before they fell in the face of gui competitors
[03:08] <Daisuke_Live> there ya go :)
[03:08] <Daisuke_Live> ahh, wordperfect...  those were the days
[03:08] <kelsa|martalli> 95% of users out there would do anything to avoid the cli (probably 99% actually)
[03:09] <kelsa|martalli> Why, in my day I actually used a dumb terminal to telnet into port 6667 to irc directly into the server when they were working on the server at school
[03:09] <spanther> kelsa|martalli, why so complicated the actual kde is slim and simple so its nice xD maybe it would need a more nice more glossy skin but the menu is nice its not a good idea to copy vista or suse :)
[03:09] <nonewmsgs> it mounts now but i still cannot delete
[03:10] <spanther> nonewmsgs, no rights?
[03:10] <kelsa|martalli> Actually, the new kde will include modern features like compppositing fromthe ground up and integration will be even better
[03:10] <nonewmsgs> read just fine
[03:10] <nonewmsgs> but still cannot write
[03:10] <kelsa|martalli> Some reports are that the new kde will be faster than the current kde
[03:10] <spanther> yeah like vista is faster than XP :P
[03:11] <spanther> who believes this xD
[03:11] <kelsa|martalli> I like the old kde, too, though (its what I am using right now =)
[03:11] <nonewmsgs> now this is actually another linux drive i yanked from another computer.  it couldnt' be holding onto those privlidges cuold it
[03:11] <Daisuke_Live> spanther, except kde4 actually does make a lot of optimizations, mostly in the form of QT4
[03:12] <kelsa|martalli> speed is pretty similar for me between kde3 and kde4.  I have never used vista, but I find it shocking that my wife's g4 mac mini can do most of the graphical trcks that vista does, all with an anemic 1ghx powerpc processor
[03:12] <kelsa|martalli> vista must be a mess
[03:12] <Daisuke_Live> nonewmsgs, it's possible
[03:12] <Daisuke_Live> may have to do some chown magic...
[03:13] <Daisuke_Live> i'm not sure about that though...  anyone else got any ideas?
[03:13] <spanther> kelsa|martalli, dont be shocked since vista works with 1ghz too :)
[03:13] <kelsa|martalli> vista is the end result of constantly working to be backward compatible, to the point where there is little resilience left int he sytem itself
[03:13] <nonewmsgs> chown ~/newdrive1 777
[03:13] <nonewmsgs> ?
[03:13] <Daisuke_Live> nope, that's chmod
[03:13] <kelsa|martalli> spanther: expose' and all the graphics eye candy included?
[03:13] <Daisuke_Live> chown william:william ~/newdrivel
[03:14] <spanther> kelsa|martalli, well yes :)
[03:14] <spanther> it just has to cache lol
[03:14] <kelsa|martalli> Wow, I find that interesting.  Are you pulling my leg?  Why 2gb for every vista machine?
[03:14] <spanther> but 1ghz and 1gb ram is enough :)
[03:14] <kelsa|martalli> oic lol
[03:15] <Daisuke_Live> there has to come a time where you say "maybe it's time we should stop supporting legacy apps from a decade ago"
[03:15] <spanther> my notebook has 1gb vista runs fine ^^ was included with it
[03:15] <Daisuke_Live> my notebook has 2gb ram and has never seen vista (or windows of any kind)
[03:15] <nonewmsgs> still access denied
[03:15] <Daisuke_Live> did you unmount it then remount?
[03:15] <spanther> but for real this "vista needs 2gb" is bullshit ^^"" *sorry for badword lol*
[03:16] <kelsa|martalli> Daisuke_Live: Now that vm are so easy, there seems to be no reason to really require it.  My wife's mac mini has a os9 emulator (we use it for the kids' games) and it appears to be basically a vm running on top of the osx unix box
[03:16] <spanther> it needs up to 400mb of ram
[03:16] <spanther> mac mini is so cute *-*
[03:16] <kelsa|martalli> If MS was smart, they would do the same thing for windows 7 - tak freebsd and bend it to their will, with builtin windows xp vm for older programs
[03:17] <Daisuke_Live> spanther, you're not going to get aero and all of the stuff that they actually touted as "features" of windows vista
[03:17] <Daisuke_Live> you will have a basic system that will run fairly well
[03:17] <Daisuke_Live> probably on par with xp at that level
[03:17] <kelsa|martalli> Yeah, it was cute but a *(&^*&^ to upgrade the hard drive and memory
[03:17] <spanther> Daisuke_Live, i know but 1gb and 1ghz is more than enough for vista :) for "running" it ^^
[03:17] <Daisuke_Live> running yes.  running with the eye candy, not so much
[03:17] <kelsa|martalli> I had to actually go buy a putty knife to get the thing open
[03:18] <spanther> well my notebook has ran vista home premium with eye candy aero glass smooth lag free :P
[03:18] <spanther> as long it was on it *gg*
[03:18] <Daisuke_Live> not long, i would imagine
[03:18] <Daisuke_Live> i will return shortly
[03:19] <nonewmsgs> i kdesudo dolphin and fixed it all ups
[03:19] <spanther> well for one month trying around vista is nice but i need more usability and less ressource usage because of battery life so i used ubuntu :)
[03:19] <kelsa|martalli> Our two windows computers at the office are still running xp.  We'll skip vista I imagine and just keep up with xp
[03:19] <kelsa|martalli> the other 10 or 12 are all running kubuntu
[03:19] <kelsa|martalli> (well, one is a ubuntu server and another is an ipcop firewall
[03:20] <spanther> oh btw. vista runs at 1ghz and 1gb of ram but if you want to have aero and a smooth working then you need 1,6ghz x2 core2duo and 1gb ram like i have :)
[03:21] <kelsa|martalli> spanther: discrete graphics or intel?
[03:21] <spanther> these 3D windows eat cpu if you move them fast with mouse hehe
[03:21] <spanther> geforce7600go 128mb gddr3 :)
[03:21] <kelsa|martalli> `lol
[03:21] <kelsa|martalli> m1210?
[03:21] <spanther> huh?
[03:21] <kelsa|martalli> oh, sounds like my dell m1210
[03:21] <kelsa|martalli> must be something else
[03:22] <spanther> Toshiba Satellite A100-00A
[03:22] <kelsa|martalli> did anyone see the new hp mini laptop?
[03:22] <kelsa|martalli> Looks very nice
[03:22] <spanther> Intel Core2Duo 1,60GHz 120gb s-ata geforce7600go 128mb and intel 3945ABG wireless nice for linux btw this notebook :D
[03:23] <macisp2000> what is the name of the kde menu that is like SuSe so I can install it on Kubuntu?
[03:23] <spanther> everything runs well wireless included ^^
[03:23] <nonewmsgs> ok now that we took care of that easy question i have a harder one.  i have multiple 7900s with sli but linux sometimes seems weird about it.  like i can get to a screen that says in one moment a screen will come out and say if it comes out right and nothing changes
[03:23] <kelsa|martalli> I don't know if it is available on kubuntu...but is it called kicker?
[03:24] <macisp2000> that's it.  I thought they would have it in the repositories, strange.
[03:24] <kelsa|martalli> nonewmsgs: I have only setup multiple screens and other such things once and used the nvidia-settings program
[03:24] <Vincent> I just used nvidia-settings, it worked wonders
[03:24] <kelsa|martalli> That worked well, I would forgoe other methods of trying to do funny stuff with yuor video card
[03:25] <spanther> http://www.easylinux.de/Artikel/ausgabe/2005/11/012-news/kde_suche.png i just love this menu :D when with a slightly background shadow which looks little 3D :)
[03:26] <nonewmsgs> but for now i am off to bed.  need some sleep
[03:26] <spanther> now thats funny where's the need for multiple graphics cards at linux ? ^^
[03:26] <spanther> good night nonewmsgs :)
[03:27] <nonewmsgs> spanther: it's my windows gaming rig/dvd ripping rig
[03:27] <spanther> i see
[03:27]  * kelsa|martalli lusts for dual core xeon machine like a mac pro or similar...for getting the big boinc scores
[03:28] <kelsa|martalli> but then computers don't grow on trees, and neither does moeny
[03:28] <spanther> well one day i'll buy a mac mini :) its cheap small and quiet :)
[03:28] <spanther> it is quiet right? Oo
[03:29] <nonewmsgs> i remember this 4 year old girl at the grocery store asked her mother for something.  her mother said paper doesn't grow on trees and the little girl said money is made from paper and paper comes from trees
[03:29] <kelsa|martalli> Extraordinarily quiet.  It never makes noise (of course, I have three kids in the house =)
[03:29] <spanther> nonewmsgs, how cute XD
[03:29] <spanther> she's right :)
[03:29] <macisp2000> Is there a way to use the KDE default control panel?, I don't like the one in Kubuntu.
[03:30] <merkeke> hey
[03:30] <kelsa|martalli> Instead of a mac mini: http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=83
[03:30] <nonewmsgs> i was impressed.
[03:30] <spanther> uh kelsa|martalli now this owns o.o
[03:30] <merkeke> im brand new to linix, just came from windows vista. any cool things i should know?
[03:30] <kelsa|martalli> Her Mom was probably rueing telling her where paper comes from
[03:30] <spanther> LOL a computer wich means all features :D
[03:30] <kelsa|martalli> Hi merkeke
[03:31] <spanther> i just wanted to have a mac mini because its small and nice for desktop ^^ but i prefer a real PC :3 so this is nide kelsa xD
[03:31] <merkeke> so is their anything instresting i should know?
[03:31] <kelsa|martalli> merkeke: Depends on what you want to do with it
[03:31] <spanther> merkeke, i know something cool :) all software is free and you dont have to call support to unlock your pirated copy :D xD
[03:32] <kelsa|martalli> For getting on the web and writing the occasional letter,then you practically don't have to know anything
[03:32] <kelsa|martalli> What are you using?  Kubuntu I imagine?
[03:32] <merkeke> well to start out. my sound isnt working on my pc. the speakers on my computer dont work but when i hook external speakers to it, they work??
[03:32] <kelsa|martalli> Do you see the little speaker down in the lower right corner?  double click on it
[03:32] <spanther> kelsa|martalli, well this koala mini only 595dollar means much less than mac ? :)
[03:33] <merkeke> yeah i opend the mixer. now what
[03:33] <kelsa|martalli> You probably just need to turn up the volumes
[03:33] <DarkriftX> can anyone help me get my kmix working with my oss sound?
[03:33] <merkeke> lol already did that
[03:33] <DarkriftX> it says it shoudl work, but kmix shows no devices in the device selection drop down
[03:33] <kelsa|martalli> Is something muted?
[03:33] <DarkriftX> ossxmix sucks and id like to use kmix or soemthing very close to it
[03:34] <kelsa|martalli> spanther: I think it is close to the mac price, maybe a little sheaper
[03:34] <spanther> but it comes with ubuntu :D yay xD
[03:34] <kelsa|martalli> Boy, I need to go to bed
[03:34] <kelsa|martalli> gnight all
[03:34] <spanther> nightynight kelsa ^^
[03:34] <kelsa|martalli> sorry merkeke, but I have to work tomorrow
[03:34] <merkeke> lol me too
[03:35] <merkeke> ill probably be on here alot so talk to you later if your always on
[03:35] <ere4si> DarkriftX: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-575521.html - is a howto
[03:35] <DarkriftX> ty, ill check it
[03:36] <macisp2000> where do I start and configure Compiz in this?
[03:36] <macisp2000> I can't find anything without the kicker menu.  lol
[03:36] <Jucato> macisp2000: for your first question, Alt+F2 "kcontrol" will run the original KDE control center
[03:37] <Jucato> !compiz | macisp2000, for your second question
[03:37] <ubotu> macisp2000, for your second question: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:37] <macisp2000> There is my sweet control panel.  thanks, anyway to make it the default one?
[03:38] <Jucato> edit the K Menu (right-click on the K icon -> Menu Editor
[03:38] <macisp2000> It shows it being install in synaptics, so I thought it was in there some where.  lol
[03:38] <macisp2000> I am trying to learn more about kubuntu, I have been using PCLinuxOS and making my own remasters.
[03:39] <merkeke> did any one try out gOS yet?
[03:39] <macisp2000> Is there a way to install kicker easily??  I only have knowledge installing with synaptics.
[03:40] <Jucato> huh? kicker is already installed by default unless you're on KDE 4
[03:41] <DarkriftX> ere4si, im looking at that, but my oss already works.. i just hate ossxmix and kmix doesnt see my sound card with oss installed
[03:41] <macisp2000> Maybe I am using the wrong wording, I only have the normal kde menu, I want the one that is kinda like SuSe which I thought was called kicker.
[03:41] <DarkriftX> everyone tells me kmix shoudl work, but its not
[03:42] <macisp2000> When I right click on the kde menu, I have no other options for kicker
[03:42] <DarkriftX> i see one thing in there about kmix, but i dont understand what its telling me to do
[03:42] <DarkriftX> OSS just overwrite library, that KMix is not able to work with. We need to preload old lib
[03:42] <DarkriftX> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 kmix
[03:42] <ere4si> DarkriftX: First KMix:
[03:42] <ere4si> OSS just overwrite library, that KMix is not able to work with. We need to preload old lib
[03:42] <ere4si> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 kmix
[03:42] <DarkriftX> lol
[03:42] <DarkriftX> does that go in a config file or do i set that in terminal?
[03:42] <macisp2000> I have the menu editor open, what is the path for kcontrol
[03:43] <merkeke> im new to this...where the hell is kmail?
[03:44] <Jucato> macisp2000: that's called kickoff, and as you have guessed, it's not installed
[03:44] <Jucato> merkeke: KMail is embedded into Kontact (K Menu -> Office), but you can run it separately if you want by pressing Alt+F2 and typing in "kmail"
[03:44] <Jucato> macisp2000: you can try searching in kde-apps.org for a .deb package for Kickoff that you can install
[03:44] <macisp2000> I got the control path working.  thanks.
[03:45] <macisp2000> now to find kickoff
[03:45] <macisp2000> again thanks.
[03:45] <ere4si> DarkriftX: that is a terminal command
[03:45] <macisp2000> Is there something similar to mklivecd for kubuntu?
[03:51] <DarkriftX> ere4si, same as without.... no options in the dropdown
[03:54] <ere4si> DarkriftX: rebooted yet?
[03:58] <DarkriftX> ahhh, needs a reboot?
[03:59] <ere4si> DarkriftX: yep
[04:01] <DarkriftX> ok, i hope it works, brb in a few
[04:01] <greeg> hi
[04:02] <greeg> i just installed 7.10.  i noticed over time that the system will eventually run slower than when a fresh installation?
[04:02] <greeg> how can i maintain reasonable speed.
[04:02] <greeg> etc.
[04:02] <greeg> will have home on a seperate hard drive help?
[04:03] <greeg> since i download alot
[04:04] <heinkel_111> greeg: this sounds wrong, your system should always run as good as the day you first booted it
[04:04] <heinkel_111> unless you change something
[04:04] <greeg> like what?
[04:04] <greeg> i dont really change much.
[04:04] <neville_> greeg, did you accidentally boot back into Windows? :P
[04:04] <greeg> i dont run  windows
[04:05] <heinkel_111> greeg: like starting to download all the time maybe?
[04:05] <neville_> Way to kill a joke greeg...
[04:05] <neville_> What did it ever do to you?!
[04:05] <greeg> i have been running pure ubuntu for 3 years, and i have to make a ritual of reformatting as if it were windows
[04:05] <heinkel_111> greeg: when your system is slow, try top type "top" into a Konsole window
[04:05] <greeg> heinkel_111: i run amule.
[04:05] <DarkriftX> ere4si, rebooted and still didnt work (kmix didnt even load liek it normally does). I then ran that command again and still nothing in the dropdown
[04:05] <DarkriftX> im guessing its just a lost cause
[04:05] <greeg> heinkel_111: yes i know of top,  but how do i know what to look for ?
[04:06] <DarkriftX> ill keep looking for another mixer that will work
[04:06] <heinkel_111> greeg: check if that process, or some other process, use a lot of cpu
[04:06] <greeg> it's more like a  bunch of useless processes.  just not sure which ones are critical.
[04:06] <heinkel_111> greeg: watch it for some time (20 secs or so) and notice the PU and % MEM columns
[04:06] <heinkel_111> sorry
[04:07] <greeg> kk thanx
[04:07] <heinkel_111> greeg: watch it for some time (20 secs or so) and notice the CPU and MEM columns
[04:07] <heinkel_111> greeg: if one process climbs to near 100% CPU, that signals trouble (not always but most of the time)
[04:09] <roman> hi
[04:11] <carman> hello evry one
[04:11] <Roby718> hi
[04:11] <carman> hello roby, i am from mEXICO  and I am testing the kubuntu applications
[04:11] <carman> where are you from
[04:11] <carman> ?
[04:11] <Roby718> so am I!
[04:11] <pirate_chef> hey all
[04:12] <Roby718> hi che
[04:12] <Roby718> chef
[04:12] <carman> I am new on this plataform,what about you?
[04:12] <Roby718> **** compaq presario 900 series keyboad!
[04:13] <Roby718> So am I
[04:13] <Roby718> is there an EO client for linux?
[04:13] <greeg> im going to mount a slave hard drive,  to a sub dir of the drive that i boot to.  is there a way to find out the file system type of a device that is physicially installed but not yet mounted (with out having to boot in that device)?
[04:14] <ere4si> DarkriftX: did you   sudo soundon    in a terminal?
[04:14] <Roby718> ?
[04:14] <DarkriftX> OSS is already loaded
[04:14] <DarkriftX> thats the output i got
[04:14] <Roby718> ok
[04:16] <Roby718> oh greeg you might whant to use a disk util.
[04:16] <greeg> ahh fdisk -l
[04:17] <Roby718> did that work?
[04:17] <Roby718> hello
[04:18] <ere4si> DarkriftX: try   killall kmix   and then   kmix   in a konsole
[04:19] <Roby718> whats his problem DarkriftX
[04:19] <Roby718> oops
[04:20] <DarkriftX> ********************   WARNING   *******************************
[04:20] <DarkriftX> Warning! kmix uses ALSA emulation instead of the native OSS API
[04:20] <DarkriftX> kmix: relocation error: /usr/lib/libkdeinit_kmix.so: symbol snd_mixer_free, version ALSA_0.9 not defined in file libasound.so.2 with link time reference
[04:20] <DarkriftX> ERROR: Communication problem with kmix, it probably crashed.
[04:20] <Roby718> i mean ere
[04:20] <DarkriftX> kmix doesnt like my oss sound
[04:20] <DarkriftX> it used to work for alsa (but alsa didnt give me any sound)
[04:20] <DarkriftX> when i got oss working, kmix stopped working
[04:20] <Roby718> what it works for me
[04:22] <starkrunk> Does anybody know how to get Debian certification?
[04:22] <ere4si> DarkriftX: lets try something else - what is the sound card - maybe alsa can work with it
[04:22] <DarkriftX> its a nvidia
[04:22] <DarkriftX> lemme get you the info
[04:22] <ere4si> k
[04:22] <DarkriftX> 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[04:23] <Roby718> nividia does sound?
[04:23] <Roby718> oh!
[04:23] <DarkriftX> i couldnt get also working with it, so someone in here had my try oss which eventually worked
[04:23] <DarkriftX> problem being that kmix doenst work, and headphones arent detected (i have to turn off internal speakers when i plug in headphones)
[04:24] <merkeke> guys im new to this and when i tried going into my monitor and display settings and clicking administrator mode. it said KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned controle module...any help?
[04:26] <ubuntu_> i'm needing some help.. i manually changed my hostname by editing /etc/hostname with vim... after a reboot.. i can't perform an administrator task with the reason: "hostname ____ can't be resolved" where the underscore area is my new hostname... i can't edit the file.. so i rebooted into a live kubuntu cd.. do i need to change the hostname back to what it was??
[04:26] <ubuntu_> that's why i'm in live cd so i can do that
[04:27] <ubuntu_> changes applied.. brb
[04:34] <mEck0> Hi I can't change my desktop background (kde 3.5.9) :( When I choose another picture, and then Apply-button, nothing happens :(
[04:34] <ere4si> DarkriftX: try in konsole - asoundconf set-default-card NVidia - seems to be one solution
[04:34] <genii> mEck0: Have you tried when just on the desktop and no windows in focus to do F5 key?
[04:35] <ere4si> DarkriftX: and are you using the 386 or generic kernel/
[04:35] <DarkriftX> Linux kubuntu 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 07:42:25 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:35] <DarkriftX> and that didnt seem to do anything
[04:35] <DarkriftX> i restarted kmix and still no options
[04:35] <mEck0> genii: *testing now*
[04:36] <mEck0> genii: yep, nothing happens
[04:37] <genii> mEck0: OK. Some changes need this refresh desktop to take effect. Others require an X server restart. Are there changes you made which have not taken effect currently?
[04:38] <mEck0> genii: no
[04:38] <Bigcheese> I'm running the development version of Kubuntu Hardy and a recent update broke kopete. Now when I try to connect to any of my IMs nothing happens. It is as if the connect code was replaced with a call to do_nothing();.
[04:39] <genii> mEck0: Perhaps then make some change which should be obvious to spot and then logout, at login screen hit ctrl-shift-backspace to make sure X gets restarted, then login again and seeif it took
[04:39] <wcost1_> !shipit
[04:39] <ubotu> shipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org and http://shipit.edubuntu.org - Shipit will send Gutsy (7.10) CDs
[04:39] <mEck0> genii: I have tried that too, since I realized I have this problem a couple of days ago
[04:39] <genii> Bigcheese: For 8.04, #ubuntu+1 (until after April 24th)
[04:40] <Bigcheese> genii: k
[04:40] <genii> mEck0: OK
[04:40] <genii> mEck0: Is the picture you try to use owned by the user you are running as?
[04:41] <genii> mEck0: Or at least readable
[04:41] <mEck0> genii: can I delete kdesktoprc in .kde/share/config/ ? and it will be recreated? because it looks a bit messy
[04:41] <genii> (to that user)
[04:41] <mEck0> genii: yes it is
[04:41] <genii> mEck0: Yes, it rebuilds all files in that folder whenever the app it it the resource file for is started
[04:42] <mEck0> genii: ok, trying that now
[04:42]  * genii hands maduser a coffee
[04:42] <maduser> w00t
[04:42] <genii> maduser: :)
[04:42] <maduser> whats el problemo?
[04:43] <maduser> so whats going on?
[04:44] <Jucato> nothing...
[04:44] <maduser> oh?
[04:44] <genii> maduser: The ones I currently know of: mEck0 can't change his desktop background (7.10) Bigcheese having issues with his instant messenges with kopete after 8.04 upgrade (referred to #uuntu
[04:44] <Jucato> :)
[04:44] <genii> bah
[04:44] <genii> referred to #ubuntu+1
[04:44] <Jucato> stupid Enter key, eh? :)
[04:44] <genii> Jucato: hehe laptop keyboard
[04:44] <Jucato> maduser: and genii handed out coffee to you only
[04:44] <mEck0> genii: now it works perfectly =) I saw that the end of the kdesktoprc file was messy, deleted it and changed wallpaper via kcontrol :)
[04:44]  * genii slides Jucato a coffee in a shiny ne Kubuntu mug
[04:45] <genii> mEck0: Ah, nice :)
[04:45] <Jucato> genii: ne?
[04:45] <mEck0> thx guys
[04:45] <Jucato> :)
[04:45] <K`zan> Hi folks, no luck finding out what package this is in, but I get this when I try to print:
[04:45] <genii> *new
[04:45] <K`zan>      sh: ppmtogif: not found
[04:45] <Jucato> :P
[04:45] <genii> Jucato: I blame all typos past and present to my crappy keyboard :)
[04:45] <Jucato> hahah
[04:45] <Jucato> and future
[04:46] <K`zan> and this: sh: ppmquant: not found
[04:46] <maduser> whats the printer?
[04:46] <K`zan> Anyone might know what I need to install to get these.
[04:46] <genii> K`zan: It may be part of a larger package like imagemagick
[04:46] <K`zan> Any one - doesn't work with the LJ6 LJ4 or the brother...
[04:47] <K`zan> Let me try that, thanks genii !
[04:47] <Jucato> !info netpbm
[04:47] <ubotu> netpbm (source: netpbm-free): Graphics conversion tools. In component main, is optional. Version 2:10.0-11 (gutsy), package size 1165 kB, installed size 4108 kB
[04:47] <Jucato> K`zan: that one it seems
[04:47] <K`zan> Jucato: Thank you VERY much, again :).  And appreciated as always!
[04:47] <genii> K`zan: or what Jucato indicates :) Some googlin on it may help to narrow down exactly which
[04:47] <Daisuke_Live> i think tomorrow i'll install opengeu on here
[04:47] <Jucato> Google.. or this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[04:48] <Jucato> (handly little site)
[04:48] <K`zan> Bookmarked, thankee!
[04:48] <genii> I'm definitely having a caffeine deficiency. I just got back from visiting family where the only coffee they believe in having around is decaf instant
[04:48] <Jucato> :/
[04:48] <Daisuke_Live> get this man an espresso IV, stat!
[04:49] <genii> hehe
[04:49] <K`zan> Nope, sigh:
[04:49] <K`zan>    sh: ppmquant: not found
[04:49] <K`zan>    sh: ppmtogif: not found
[04:49] <K`zan> E
[04:49] <Jucato> hm..
[04:49] <Daisuke_Live> so yeah, opengeu isn't as ugly as i expected it to be
[04:49] <Daisuke_Live> and it's pretty snappy even on the livecd
[04:49] <genii> Daisuke_Live: What is opengeu ?
[04:50] <Jucato> genii: formerly Geubuntu
[04:50] <Daisuke_Live> ubuntu derivative that uses a mix of enlightenment and gnome
[04:50] <Jucato> Ubuntu-based E17 distro
[04:50] <genii> Ah, OK
[04:50] <Daisuke_Live> yep
[04:50] <Jucato> they had to change names because of trademark policies
[04:50] <Daisuke_Live> Jucato, not pure enlightenment though
[04:50] <genii> Enlightenment used to be nice
[04:50] <K`zan> Sorry, your search gave no results
[04:50] <K`zan> Argh
[04:51] <Jucato> K`zan: use the bottom search field, where you can choose to search for a particular file in a package
[04:51] <genii> K`zan: What place is telling you to use some command called "ppmquant" ?
[04:51] <Daisuke_Live> may just go to 8.04 remix
[04:51] <Jucato> Daisuke_Live: pure E17 would be purely incomplete :)
[04:51] <Daisuke_Live> Jucato, yes, yes it would
[04:51] <Daisuke_Live> and now, i'm off to bed
[04:51] <Jucato> K`zan: what is the output of "which ppmquant"?
[04:51] <Jucato> hm.. and I'm off to lunch soonish
[04:53] <genii> It must be old, because netpbm at sourceforge site says it's obsolete now and only calls either pnmquant or pnmremap
[04:53] <K`zan> Jucato: Printing from xfig.  Solved the problem, exported to PDF and printed that.
[04:53] <eljefe> Has anyone played with QDVDAuthor?  It doesn't seem to like my mpgs nor my dv files to make a VOB (Hardy)
[04:53] <Jucato> :/
[04:56] <greeg> i just installed 7.10.  KDE's pager wont let me drag and drop windows from one desktop to an other.
[04:57] <greeg> never mind
[05:02] <eljefe> well, QDVDAuthor did recognize one of the  formats I threw at it, the (apparently) super-high quality m2t that KDEnlive offers, but it isn't as good as a Raw DV quality, but it works...
[05:05] <Roby718> does anybody know where to get a EO client for linux
[05:05] <eljefe> EO? what is it?
[05:05] <Roby718> Endless Online
[05:05] <eljefe> what is it?
[05:05] <Roby718> an MMORPG
[05:06] <eljefe> ah
[05:06] <eljefe> !gps
[05:06] <ubotu> Street mapping and GPS navigation software available for Ubuntu includes !GpsDrive (GTK, raster maps, free), !Roadnav (GTK, free vector maps from Tiger and OSM, free), !GoogleEarth (Qt, proprietary vector maps, proprietary)
[05:06] <eljefe> !tomtom
[05:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tomtom - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <Roby718> goto #rcompany
[05:25] <xoqa> i was the guy with hostname problems earlier
[05:26] <xoqa> changing the /etc/hostname to the original fixed the problem
[05:26] <xoqa> can you not manually change /etc/hostname... or do you have to change some other file along with it?
[05:27] <eljefe> you should also (manually) change /etc/hosts i believe
[05:28] <eljefe> and you can run "shell# hostname xoqa-kubuntu" to set it, i believe only temporarily tho
[05:28] <tomahasamoot> can kpdf be used to fill out forms--or can only the abode branded version do that?
[05:28] <eljefe> from man hostname: "Note that  this  is  effective  only  until  the  next reboot.  Edit /etc/hostname for permanent change.
[05:29] <eljefe> tomahasamoot: being an open format now, PDFs _could_ be edited by kpdf, but I don't know if kpdf has yet made that a reality.  I don't think that it has but i don't know.
[05:30] <genii> tomahasamoot: According to http://kpdf.kde.org/news.php forms support was being introduced in July 2005
[05:31] <tomahasamoot> genii: thanks!  I guess that means that I have the wrong version of the form... taxes, gotta love 'em :-P
[05:31] <genii> bleh, taxes
[05:31]  * genii runs from death and taxes!
[05:43] <Don_Miguel> Updater problem on Kubuntu-7.04-alternative... PASTE: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63141/
[05:45] <SpamInaCan> my friend sent me a dmg file from his mac.... how do i extract it
[05:46] <genii> !aptfix | Don_Miguel
[05:46] <ubotu> Don_Miguel: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[05:47] <SpamInaCan> ne one?
[05:47] <starkrunk_> Spam, I found this with Google
[05:47] <starkrunk_> http://baghira.sourceforge.net/dmg.htm
[05:47] <Don_Miguel> Thanks, genii, I give that a try ...
[05:48] <SpamInaCan> cant mount it.....
[05:48] <genii> SpamInaCan: If it's an executable type of dmg, you can't (especially if 10.x macos series) . If it's just a regular disk image file for mac, make sure you have hsfplus and hsfutils packages installed, then you can mount it same way as manual way to look at iso files. loop mount to a dir with fstype of hsf or hsfplus
[05:48] <starkrunk_> just do a search for dmg linux
[05:49] <merkeke> when i hooked up my computer monitor to my laptop my linix just crashed. is their a known issue because of that? im using a laptop
[05:52] <genii> SpamInaCan: eg: if file is named yada.dmg in /home/myname/Desktop       and you want it mounted to directory /media/tmp  then: sudo mount -t hsfplus -o loop /home/myname/Desktop/yada.img /media/tmp
[05:52] <genii> SpamInaCan: You need of course those two packages installed, and the hsf kernel driver loaded
[05:54] <genii> bah I've reversed the letters, where I wrote hsf substitute instead hfs
[06:07] <arturo> alguien de habla hispana?
[06:08] <arturo__> :p
[06:08] <Odd-rationale> !es | arturo__
[06:08] <ubotu> arturo__: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[06:16] <evilbug> would there be any side-effect if i try to install the newest graphics driver for my geforce 4 mx?
[06:16] <tomahasamoot> where's the force/ignor deps option for apt-get?
[06:17] <genii> tomahasamoot: man apt-get should reveal all if properly read
[06:18] <genii> evilbug: Quite possibly. I'd suggest making a backup of /etc/X11/xorg.conf before proceeding in that direction
[06:18] <calcmandan> According to ubuntu weekly newsletter, 8.04 will be out in two weeks.
[06:18] <Jucato> evilbug: other than not working?  I can't think of any other side-effect :)
[06:19] <Jucato> evilq
[06:19] <calcmandan> would it be advisable to do a dist upgrade from 7.10?
[06:19] <Jucato> evilbug: of course, depends on which latest driver you are talking about (there are 3 kinds)
[06:19] <Jucato> calcmandan: my advise would be to wait and see if you have doubts... give it a week or so
[06:19] <Jucato> (after the release)
[06:20] <calcmandan> Jucato: yeah, i generally do the two week wait after release to do any upgrade.
[06:20] <genii> calcmandan: I'm usually conservative on upgrades and wait at least 30 days for any glaring problems to be reported first.
[06:20] <evilbug> Jucato- 3 kinds?
[06:20] <calcmandan> genii: wow 30 days. for me two weeks is my norm.
[06:21] <evilbug> Jucato- i've only seen 1 on the nvidia driver page.
[06:21] <calcmandan> Here's my real question.  Are the differences in QT and KDE so different that a dist-upgrade on apt would cause many problems from 7.10 -> 8.05
[06:21] <genii> calcmandan: Since I usually upgrade it on all my boxes at once I like to feel good about it. Also there's no downgrade feature yet, so there's that to think about
[06:21] <Jucato> evilbug: there's the latest driver, the legacy driver, and the legacy-legacy driver.
[06:22] <Jucato> evilbug: corresponding to nvidia-glx-new, nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx legacy
[06:22] <Jucato> calcmandan: um. no...
[06:22] <Jucato> upgrading to 8.04 (not .05) won't mean you get KDE 4 if it's not installed
[06:23] <evilbug> Jucato- i think we're talking about nvidia-glx-new here.
[06:23] <calcmandan> Jucato: i meant 8.04. sorry.
[06:23] <stdin> you'll get 3.5.9 though
[06:23] <Jucato> evilbug: geforce 4 mx? no I don't think so
[06:23] <Jucato> !nvidia
[06:23] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:23] <Jucato> evilbug: the page for NVIDIA there has a list of supported cards
[06:24] <Jucato> I have a GeForce4 MX 4000 and that's considered by nvidia as legacy alread, only supported by the 96xx drivers. (nvidia-glx)
[06:24] <evilbug> i know in the past with ubuntu 6.10 and 7.04 it happened to not work after install.
[06:24] <evilbug> but mayve i was doing something wrong.
[06:24] <calcmandan> evilbug: that's what I was thinking about.
[06:24] <evilbug> maybe*
[06:25] <calcmandan> evilbug: i read an advisory for people on edgy to not go to 7. and the same from 6.06 -> 7.
[06:25] <evilbug> one issue i'm having is when i have video full screen,there's a delay on the bottom half of the screen.
[06:26] <evilbug> calcmandan- well this install of 7.10 was fresh.
[06:26] <tomahasamoot> genii: none of the options listed on the man page are working, it keeps saying BROKEN (but it doesn't look broken to me)
[06:26] <calcmandan> evilbug: i just installed 7.10. i'm considering just waiting for lts to be released and do a fresh install of that.
[06:26] <tomahasamoot> ...and anyway, I'd like to try because I bet $20 it works
[06:26] <calcmandan> i have some quarcks on this box in this current install anyway.
[06:27] <genii> tomahasamoot: What is the exact error it is giving you? If more than 3 lines use the pastebin website please.
[06:27] <tomahasamoot> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:27] <tomahasamoot>   googleearth: Depends: googleearth-data (= 4.2.205.5730-0medibuntu1) but 4.2.205.5730-0medibuntu2 is to be installed
[06:27] <tomahasamoot> E: Broken packages
[06:27] <calcmandan> like sound being a busy resource at bootup
[06:27] <evilbug> calcmandan- lts will be 8.04 right?
[06:28] <calcmandan> evilbug: ummmmm. yes.
[06:28] <calcmandan> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu
[06:28] <evilbug> calcmandan- and you think it'll have much better driver support?
[06:28] <calcmandan> evilbug: i don't konw. My 6.06 installation was SO solid.
[06:29] <calcmandan> evilbug: I'm only now having problems becasue I ahve a new core duo processor and board. I'm now wired to my router instead of being wireless. It seemed as newer versions came out the more issues there were.
[06:30] <genii> tomahasamoot: They should have put =><dependency-version>  in the package instead of just =<package-name>
[06:30] <genii> =<dependency-name> rather
[06:30] <evilbug> calcmandan- i don't know what to say there since i'm still not a big linux user.
[06:30] <evilbug> calcmandan- i just want to get that video issue fixed and everything will be literally perfect.
[06:31] <calcmandan> evilbug: what card do you have?
[06:31] <tomahasamoot> genii: great, so where is the /shut-the-f*&^-up/ and install the package option?
[06:31] <evilbug> geforce 4 mx :| one sec.
[06:32] <calcmandan> i have a geforce board too.  i just used the 'install restricted drivers' option in system settings.  everything was cherry from there.
[06:33] <evilbug> calcmandan- that's what i did also.
[06:33] <evilbug> calcmandan- the display was better but that fullscreen video issue is still there.
[06:34] <arko> hi
[06:34] <genii> tomahasamoot: In this case there is no switch to apt-get which will override this. So to either force install the previous version with something like sudo apt-get install <app>=exactversionhere    or editi the debfile to =>version from =version in ./control file
[06:34] <arko> i can't resize windows
[06:34] <arko> any help?
[06:34] <calcmandan> evilbug: I'm a big linux user in a sense that I refuse to install m$
[06:35] <calcmandan> evilbug: but I'm not a big master at the machine. I'm shitty at the command line and I'm passable with everything else.
[06:35] <calcmandan> evilbug: but i'm learning.
[06:35] <evilbug> calcmandan- all i can find out from here is NVIDIA GeForce 4 MX Integrated GPU.i used to be windows only until a year ago when i got a macbook pro.
[06:35] <evilbug> but i have ubuntu on my pc and i'm dualbooting xp on my mac.
[06:36] <calcmandan> oh ok.  i worked for apple, so i understand the appeal.  though i'd never own a mac.
[06:36] <eagles0513875> r u guys trying to enable open gl
[06:36] <Jucato> !u
[06:36] <ubotu> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[06:36] <eagles0513875> ty jucato
[06:36] <eagles0513875> are you guys trying to get open gl working
[06:36] <calcmandan> i worked in the sales department and steve hired this woman from microsoft to head the sales department.
[06:36] <evilbug> calcmandan- why not?
[06:37] <eagles0513875> !offtopic
[06:37] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:38] <tomahasamoot> genii: how do I edit the debfile?
[06:38] <evilbug> calcmandan- ha :) i meant why would you never own a mac?
[06:38] <calcmandan> evilbug: i like to tinker with my box. i like to build them, choose the hardware, pay less. and while mac os x is really solid, i'm very happy with linux. also, apple regails us all about how they make thier own hardware. they don't. the memory comes from anywhere they can get it.
[06:38] <Jucato> um calcmandan, evilbug, please take the non-Kubuntu related discussion to #kubuntu-offtopic thanks
[06:39] <evilbug> calcmandan- i see :) well i produce music,so linux isn't an alternative for me.
[06:40] <evilbug> right then...i'm gonna go.night and thanks.
[06:41] <genii> tomahasamoot: You can use Ark to extract it soewhere. Then extract from there the control.tar.gz file. Edit the ./control file there. Re tar/gz then compress again with ar compresion using Ark backinto nother deb
[06:42] <genii> bah typo central
[06:42] <Jucato> dirty dirty hack :)
[06:42] <genii> Jucato: Yes, true, but it works :)
[06:45] <genii> Jucato: I needed to do this in other cases where some dependencies had been upgraded but the main package had not been created with this-or-better version required, only this-version  kind of deal
[06:46] <Jucato> genii: and I suspect you informed the packagers of said bug, or filed a bug report, so that it could be fixed later? :)
[06:46] <genii> Jucato: No, I just cussed a lot generally
[06:46]  * genii runs and hides
[06:46] <Jucato> hahah :)
[06:46] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:47] <eagles0513875> thats one way to fix it
[06:47]  * Jucato sets genii-seeking missiles on genii
[06:47] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:47]  * eagles0513875 liking what he see how much does a missile like that cost
[06:47]  * genii buys them all and deactivates them
[06:48]  * eagles0513875 steals them and gives them to jucato then leaves
[06:48] <genii> (while throwing decoy genii out behind to distract the current one chasing him)
[06:49]  * eddieftw drinks tea
[07:02] <tomahasamoot> genii: I'm not able to get the package at all, even when I use the -d option, it keeps saying broken
[07:05] <genii> tomahasamoot: Find the exact name of the dependency it wants, then d/l that deb file into /var/cache/apt/archives. Then explicitly install only that dependency version by way of: sudo apt-get install <dependency-name>=<full debfile name goes here>
[07:11] <tomahasamoot> At this point, I sick of the stupid package manager... I just get it straight from google... no more messing around w/ this brittle BS
[07:18] <aobo> Hi How do I make my wireless card working?
[07:18] <aobo> work*
[07:19] <aobo> I have it working on windows XP but i dont know how to install it on kubuntu
[07:26] <xpkiller> hello
[07:28] <eddieftw> hi Jucato
[07:28] <pato> aobo: First, you must install Virtualbox, it is in the repositary, it's virtual-ose package. After installation, you must add yourself to group vboxusr. Then run Virtualbox and you can install windows on virtual machine.
[07:29] <DarkriftX> i need a very small xp install
[07:29] <DarkriftX> anyone know where to get one of those thumbdrive xp install iso's at?
[07:30] <DarkriftX> i have a (legal) copy of xp (and vista) but i need one of those super small ones that i can put in a VM
[07:32] <pato> DarkriftX: You can edit your XP image by windows apps Nlite. It's freeware a very good apps for that.
[07:33] <DarkriftX> hrmmmmm
[07:33] <DarkriftX> ill look into that
[08:04] <htpc1100> Hi, i following the guide on the page http://stacktrace.org/index_html/200600912lirc-imon-the-debian-way to get lirc going, but I get stuck after stopping the deamons, can someone help me please?
[08:06] <htpc1100> I tried @ the #lirc channel first, but noone answered there, @ the debian channel I got a sermon about not writing "plz" instead of please
[08:07] <nonewmsgs> you did plz instead of please?
[08:07] <nonewmsgs> omfg
[08:08] <xpkiller> o.O
[08:08] <nonewmsgs> i have looked at the webpage and still am unaware of what this is
[08:08] <neville_> plz?
[08:09] <htpc1100> yeah, I know. It was a biggie
[08:09] <nonewmsgs> afaew0ur4q890[2ujm4
[08:11] <htpc1100> but anyway, can someone help me, I just need to know what my "YourRemotesLIRCKernelModule" is, or how I would be able to find that out
[08:12] <nonewmsgs> what device isn't working http://pastebin.com/d397e3847
[08:12] <xpkiller> my keyboard drop on my hdd now it wont show up on xp,but on linux im seing my fils isnt there a way to get them off?
[08:13] <xpkiller> my keyboard drop on my hdd now it wont show up on xp,but on linux im seing my files.isnt there a way to get them off?
[08:13] <nonewmsgs> is that a joke or are you serious
[08:14] <xpkiller> serious
[08:14] <MrDoug> hey, i have a ubuntu issue, but was refered here by a guy in #ubuntu
[08:14] <htpc1100> I think they were serious @ least they said they would not answer me untill I spelled it out
[08:14] <MrDoug> can u guys help?
[08:14] <nonewmsgs> <joke<the best way to get files off a hard drive is with a delete command
[08:15] <nonewmsgs> what you want to do is use the dd command
[08:15] <MrDoug> basicly when im installing and press "install ubuntu", after the loading bar fills my monitor says "No signal" and dies
[08:15] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: lol no i want to copy them off the corupt hdd and back up everything
[08:15] <nonewmsgs> dd /windowsdrive /home/yourname/backup.iso
[08:16] <nonewmsgs> dd makes an iso from a drive
[08:16] <MrDoug> ive tried using a dif resolution, and installing in safe graphics mode no luck
[08:16] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: wat?
[08:16] <nonewmsgs> it might require sudo
[08:16] <nonewmsgs> the command is called "dd"
[08:16] <nonewmsgs> disk drive?
[08:16] <MrDoug> im using an ATI X1300 graphics card
[08:16] <xpkiller> tell me the corect way to type it in the terminal
[08:17] <nonewmsgs> what is your windows drive mountd as
[08:17] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: my hdd is in fat 32
[08:17] <nonewmsgs> it doesnt matter we're making an exact copy
[08:17] <xpkiller> i have no idea wat dev it mounted on that why i hate ubuntu.i couldnt run my kubuntu so im on ubuntu
[08:18] <nonewmsgs> type in command "mount"
[08:18] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: i cant copy if i dont know where are my hdd are mounted
[08:18] <nonewmsgs> MrDoug: have you tried the alternat cd
[08:19] <MrDoug> no, whats the difrence
[08:19] <nonewmsgs> xpkiller: command mount tells you how things are mounted
[08:19] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: my hdd is mounted allready
[08:19] <nonewmsgs> MrDoug:  it installs without being a livecd and might help you?
[08:19] <MrDoug> alright, can i get that off the ubuntu site as well?
[08:19] <nonewmsgs> xpkiller: if you do not tell me how it is mounted i cannot tell you the exact command to back it up
[08:20] <nonewmsgs> yes MrDoug
[08:20] <htpc1100> ok, ty anyway, gonna look around on other channels... bye
[08:20] <MrDoug> excelent ill give it a try thnx :)
[08:20] <nonewmsgs> but despite how much i love ubuntu, if this doesn't work, perhaps you might want another distro
[08:20] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: aa i just turn on my external hdd and its on the desktop
[08:20] <nonewmsgs> sometimes hardware and OSes don't get along
[08:20] <MrDoug> o btw whats the diffrence bettween GNOME and KDE
[08:21] <xpkiller> gnome crap kde simple to use
[08:21] <nonewmsgs> kde has a little start menu with a K on te bottom and gnome has lits of commands on the top
[08:21] <MrDoug> lol i see, umm, which is better for a newbie
[08:21] <MrDoug> for learnign
[08:21] <MrDoug> *learning
[08:22] <nonewmsgs> MrDoug: they are both very good and you can have both installed
[08:22] <nonewmsgs> if you are a windows power user you might prefer L
[08:22] <nonewmsgs> K
[08:22] <nonewmsgs> xpkiller: if you do not give me the feedback from command mount i cannot help you
[08:22] <MrDoug> hmm, yes, i am so that might be better
[08:23] <nonewmsgs> it is more "windows-like"
[08:23] <MrDoug> all get kubuntu then
[08:23] <MrDoug> *ill
[08:23] <nonewmsgs> sounds good
[08:23] <MrDoug> thank you
[08:23] <MrDoug> bye
[08:23] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: http://pastebin.com/m41682eef
[08:23] <nonewmsgs> bye
[08:25] <xpkiller> im on ubuntu cause my feisty dvd is damage an i download 4 different kubuntu and none was compatible with my pc
[08:25] <nonewmsgs> xpkiller: type in ls /media/sda1 to double check this is the drive you want backed up
[08:26] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs:  No such file or directory
[08:26] <nonewmsgs> oh i am sorry it's 326am here and im a lil loopy
[08:27] <nonewmsgs> ls /media/SWISNIFE1
[08:27] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: yes its that drive i want back up
[08:28] <nonewmsgs> sudo dd /media/SWISNIFE1 /backup.iso
[08:28] <nonewmsgs> now this will take a while but if you open the folder you can see it's size growing
[08:29] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: but its an 250gig hdd i cant back it up to my pc.i have another external hdd conected 250
[08:30] <nonewmsgs> o
[08:30] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: how do i back it up to the other one?
[08:30] <nonewmsgs> so you want a copy
[08:30] <xpkiller> yes cause the the main one is a little corrupt
[08:31] <nonewmsgs> lte me think for a minute
[08:31] <Fritzel> ok what would cause X to startup with the nv driver, but not the nvidia driver, besides the driver being bad since I'm sure someone else here is using the latest driver
[08:32] <nonewmsgs> open qtparted
[08:32] <xpkiller> me?
[08:32] <nonewmsgs> having an ancient nvidia card?
[08:32] <nonewmsgs> yes
[08:32] <Fritzel> 7900 GS 512MB should be well suited
[08:32] <nonewmsgs> you with the xp in front open qtparted
[08:32] <nonewmsgs> well suited indeed
[08:33] <DOOM_NX> good morning :)
[08:33] <nonewmsgs> mine only has 256
[08:33] <xpkiller> :s
[08:33] <nonewmsgs> morning doom
[08:33] <Fritzel> can you think of anything else that would cause the issue? I simply change nvidia to nv  in xorg.conf and it starts
[08:33] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: type open qtparted in the terminal?
[08:33] <nonewmsgs> i am not sure Fritzel.  i am having issues because i have 2 7900s sli
[08:34] <nonewmsgs> sudo qtparted
[08:34] <Fritzel> does xorg have an official channel here?
[08:34] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs:  command not found
[08:35] <nonewmsgs> oh that's right you aren't using kde
[08:35] <xpkiller> crap im very hangry
[08:35] <nonewmsgs> sudo gparted
[08:35] <nonewmsgs> or might be just gpart
[08:36] <nonewmsgs> my stomach is killing me
[08:36] <xpkiller> its none of them
[08:37] <nonewmsgs> sudo apt-get install gpart
[08:37] <nonewmsgs> i typed them both and they both came up qtparted and gpart
[08:37] <nonewmsgs> Fritzel: i'm not real sure but probably?
[08:38] <Fritzel> nonewmsgs: I found it they're all asleep I think ><
[08:38] <nonewmsgs> Fritzel: you might also want to post on the forums, since this is rather late (i think more irc-ers are american)
[08:38] <Fritzel> no I'd be more likely to reinstall first
[08:39] <Fritzel> I'll just keep watching the channel and pushing things around here
[08:39] <nonewmsgs> good luck mate
[08:39] <Fritzel> thank you
[08:39] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: when u told me sudo dd /media/SWISNIFE1 /backup.iso the iso will be save where?
[08:39] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: ok its install gparted
[08:40] <nonewmsgs> in your root directory but that'll save it as an iso
[08:40] <nonewmsgs> which might be able to be mounted as  drive in windows with alcohol
[08:40] <xpkiller> on the pc u mean?
[08:40] <nonewmsgs> yes
[08:40] <xpkiller> ok
[08:41] <nonewmsgs> now with gparted you can probably do a full parition copy
[08:41] <xpkiller> o.O
[08:41] <nonewmsgs> gpart whatever
[08:41] <xpkiller> Since GParted can be a weapon of mass destruction only root may run it.
[08:41] <xpkiller> :D
[08:41] <nonewmsgs> yes
[08:41] <xpkiller> how can i run it?
[08:41] <nonewmsgs> with sudo?
[08:42] <Fritzel> hmm kernel modules are required for nvidia restricted drivers correct?
[08:42] <nonewmsgs> Fritzel: you might want to consider envy?
[08:42] <nonewmsgs> since envy deals with the latest drivers but some say it's dangerous
[08:42] <nonewmsgs> !envy
[08:42] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[08:43] <Fritzel> I'm not exactly stable now
[08:43] <Fritzel> so I might as well
[08:43] <nonewmsgs> it *seems to* put the nvidia driver in the kernal or something like that
[08:43] <nonewmsgs> IANAE (i am not an expert)
[08:44] <Fritzel> I understand
[08:44] <Fritzel> worst case is I do a format and loose out on what? 10 minutes ^^
[08:44] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: gparted  is seeing my hdd as unallocated
[08:44] <nonewmsgs> which one
[08:45] <xpkiller> sda
[08:46] <nonewmsgs> ok fine close gparted
[08:47] <nonewmsgs> we'll use cp -a
[08:47] <nonewmsgs> sudo cp -a /olddrive /newdrive
[08:47]  * nonewmsgs tiredness is surpassing stomach ache and may well get some sleep tonight
[08:48] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: change the name oldrive....
[08:48] <nonewmsgs> that knife thing.  im very tired
[08:49] <xpkiller> lol
[08:49] <nonewmsgs> i'm not trying to be an ass
[08:49] <nonewmsgs> but i'm about to go to bed
[08:49] <xpkiller> wait 10 more minuts
[08:50] <nonewmsgs> i know that today im going to work like a 10 hour day
[08:50] <nonewmsgs> xpkiller: helping you is the reason i am still up
[08:50] <nonewmsgs> i won't leave you in a crucial moment
[08:50] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: i have to work to and its 4 in the morning
[08:50] <nonewmsgs> me too "D
[08:51] <nonewmsgs> do you know the names of both drives
[08:51] <xpkiller> no
[08:51] <xpkiller> :(
[08:51] <xpkiller> sudo fdisk -l dont show them
[08:51] <nonewmsgs> old = /media/SWISNIFE1
[08:52] <Fritzel> I'm back to the driver that was giving me trouble but at least I'm accelerated again, nonewmsgs thanks for the help ^^
[08:52] <nonewmsgs> good deal
[08:53] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: how do i see all hdd conected to the pc?mount?
[08:53] <nonewmsgs> new = /proc/bus/usb
[08:53] <nonewmsgs> so
[08:53] <nonewmsgs> sudo cp -a /media/SWISNIFE1 /proc/bus/usb
[08:54] <nonewmsgs> i think
[08:54] <xpkiller> its not usbdisk?
[08:54] <xpkiller> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:54] <nonewmsgs> try that command please and if not we'll go from there
[08:54] <nonewmsgs> it looks like a usb disk
[08:55] <xpkiller> terminal going crazy with errors
[08:56] <nonewmsgs> what kind of errors
[08:58] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: http://pastebin.com/m14d0484d
[08:58] <nonewmsgs> it's having trouble reading the drive
[08:59] <xpkiller> yea my keyboard drop on it when i was sleepin
[08:59] <xpkiller> :(
[08:59] <xpkiller> n it was making noise
[08:59] <xpkiller> but the noise is no more
[08:59] <nonewmsgs> unfortunatly this is beyond where i can help
[09:00] <nonewmsgs> it might be toast or require expensive equpiment
[09:00] <xpkiller> :( i hate mecanacal hdd >_<
[09:00] <nonewmsgs> but if it can't read it, it can't back it up
[09:01] <xpkiller> but linux seing the folders n all i was able to extrac txt from the root of it
[09:01] <ocs> hi. i can't disable eth2: tried with gui, ifconfig eth2 down and ifdown eth2 .... what should i do?
[09:01] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs:
[09:02] <nonewmsgs> ocs i can't really help because i am going to bed but since no one else is here i will lead you in the right direction
[09:02] <nonewmsgs> look up blacklist hardware
[09:02] <nonewmsgs> (and i really hate to just say google it) :(
[09:02] <xpkiller> lol
[09:02] <xpkiller> google is our best frind
[09:03] <nonewmsgs> goodnight friends and good luck with your problems and hopefully someone greater than i can solve them with a single command
[09:03] <ocs> ok nonewmsgs
[09:04] <xpkiller> nonewmsgs: i did sudo dd /media/SWISNIFE1 /backup.iso i tell me  unrecognized operand `/media/SWISNIFE1'
[09:04] <xpkiller> lol
[09:05] <max> there are some software that advise me when a new mail is arrived in my mailbox but do not download that mail... I need an advise and after this I use my browser to read a mail....
[09:10] <tomahasamoot> every time I try to switch VT's the loggin crashes, this happens with the hot key (ctrl+alt+FX) and with the "switch user" on the K-menu
[09:11] <tomahasamoot> a few seconds after switching it switches back, showing the nVidia banner, then KDM
[09:11] <ocs> hi. i can't disable eth2: tried with gui, ifconfig eth2 down and ifdown eth2 .... what should i do?
[09:11] <tomahasamoot> a few seconds after switching it switches back, showing the nVidia banner, then KDM
[09:17] <The_ManU_212> hi
[09:17] <The_ManU_212> what does the following mean?
[09:17] <The_ManU_212> debconf: apt-extracttemplates schlug fehl: Bad file descriptor(
[09:18] <pato> ocs: Try command ifconfig eth2 down with sudo, if u didn't write there and write here, if there any error.
[09:18] <ocs> pato: sudo is the only way to exec the command
[09:19] <The_ManU_212> does hardy use kde 4?
[09:22] <bentob0x> I just had kubuntu starting fully but not being able to log onto the internet (http, irc, skype, msn etc), I simply rebooted and it worked.  I want to know what happened, where can I find the logs and what am I looking for exactly?
[09:31] <peyotll> salut tout l'monde
[09:32] <Jucato> !it
[09:32] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:32] <Jucato> er..
[09:32] <Jucato> !fr
[09:32] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:37] <eagles0513875> !virtualbox
[09:37] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[09:43] <h4ck3y> zzzzzzzzzz
[09:43] <eagles0513875> how do i check what version of a program i have on my machine
[09:44] <eagles0513875> !version
[09:44] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[09:44] <Jucato> eagles0513875: only applies for getting the Ubuntu version
[09:44] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:44] <Jucato> you can either use the program's Help menu -> About dialog or check with the package manager which version is installed
[09:44] <h4ck3y> i'm newbie in linux maybe someone can help me
[09:45] <SlimeyPete> h4ck3y: just ask your question and if anyone can help, they will :)
[09:45] <Jucato> apt-cache policy <package_name> or apt-cache madison or apt-cache show to get the full details
[09:45] <Jucato> of course, you have to stay long enough to actually ask the question
[09:45] <Jucato> and long enough to be answered :)
[09:45] <SlimeyPete> heh
[09:59] <jerknextdoor_> i've got an external usb drive that i cant get to mount in kubuntu.  it has mounted befoe but it's not now
[10:01] <jimat> Hi all, I have just losing my kubuntu panel. I have logout and relogin, and even restart. It is still disappear. Try a search in Ubuntu forums but I cant see a thread on the topic. I can still use my desktop tho, right click and run commands. How do I make the pannel appear again?
[10:01] <eagles0513875> jimat: u using kde4
[10:02] <jimat> no, kubuntu 3.5 I think
[10:02] <Jucato> jimat: check if "kicker" (the KDE panel) is running. press Ctrl+Esc and search for the kicker process in the list
[10:02] <eagles0513875> interesting cuz that happened to me on kde4 yesterday
[10:02]  * Jucato will wait
[10:02] <eagles0513875> !packaging
[10:02] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[10:03] <jimat> eagles0513875: yes kicker is running
[10:03] <Jucato> jimat: ok. press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol", go to Desktop -> Panels -> Hiding tab. make sure that Hide automatically is not chosen
[10:05] <jimat> Jucato: ok, it appears now. Well, I actually like it to autohide. Thanks very much all
[10:05] <Jucato> no problem
[10:05] <eagles0513875> Jucato: what are the essential pking pkgs one needs
[10:06] <Jucato> eagles0513875: I think the packaging guide (in wiki.ubuntu.com) basically has everything covered
[10:06] <Jucato> I'm not good at packaging, so I'm the last person you should ask :)
[10:07] <Jucato> try #ubuntu-motu for guidance
[10:07] <eagles0513875> im in dev channel ill try in there
[10:07]  * emilsedgh hopes to see Jucato's contribution to KDE apps soon
[10:07] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:07] <Jucato> emilsedgh: well... :)
[10:08]  * Jucato is bidding his time :P
[10:08] <eagles0513875> lol im starting and i know less the u Jucato
[10:09] <emilsedgh> Jucato: come on, you finished your cpp book, im waiting to see a blog post about 'now im a $KApplication developer'
[10:10] <Jucato> emilsedgh: well, I'm a 1/64 konvi ninja (if you've seen my last post) :P
[10:10] <Jucato> but basically still lost as to where and how to start... or on what app (konvi is a bit daunting if you don't know IRC innards)
[10:10] <emilsedgh> ah
[10:11] <jerknextdoor_> jucato: if you don't know irc innards it's all daunting.  haha.
[10:11] <emilsedgh> Jucato: so i should kill you! because there is not irc client for kde4 yet and im loading whole kde3 libraries for kopete!
[10:11] <Jucato> (you ain't see nothing yet :P)
[10:11] <eagles0513875> Jucato: if u need a tester im more then willing to help but right now im kinda pressed for time on a bug im working on
[10:12] <Jucato> emilsedgh: hm.. if you're loading whole kde3 libraries for Kopete anyway, why not use Konvi in KDE 4? :D
[10:12] <Jucato> eagles0513875: nah. nothing to test. you do your thing first :)
[10:12] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:12] <emilsedgh> Jucato: because its not ported afaik, is it? if yes im gonna build it NOW
[10:12] <Jucato> emilsedgh: I mean, you're loading kde3 libs to use Kopete (KDE 3) in KDE 4 right?
[10:13] <emilsedgh> right
[10:13] <Jucato> so what's the problem with using Konvi (KDE 3) in KDE 4?
[10:13] <Jucato> since you have kde3 libs already loaded
[10:13] <eagles0513875> lol this might be related to ur issue
[10:13] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/216529
[10:13] <emilsedgh> Jucato: the problem is that i prefer kopete, probably because Chat Style support
[10:13] <eagles0513875> it was reported by apachelogger
[10:14] <Jucato> er... eagles0513875, we're talking about Konvi not being ported to KDE 4 yet
[10:14] <eagles0513875> speaking of kopete for kde4 that needs to be tweaked to where it automatically takes u online
[10:14] <eagles0513875> ahh i gotcha
[10:14] <Jucato> emilsedgh: in that case... why aren't you using Kopete 0.55+ (KDE 4) for IRC too? :D
[10:14]  * Jucato doesn't get "Chat Style support" though
[10:14] <eagles0513875> what laguage is konvi written in
[10:14] <Jucato> C++
[10:15] <emilsedgh> Jucato: irc protocol is not ported on kde4 yet.svn commit logs shows someone is working on it, but thats slow and not even compilable
[10:15] <Jucato> emilsedgh: anyway, not to get your hopes up, but Konvi 1.1 is nearing release. and once that's out of the door, the team will start porting
[10:15] <eagles0513875> for port to kde4 what would have to change
[10:15] <Jucato> eagles0513875: *a lot*
[10:15] <jussio1> there is a kde4 irc client
[10:15] <Jucato> and they plan on doing a rewrite because much of the old code is.. wel... old...
[10:15] <emilsedgh> jussio1: what?!
[10:15] <eagles0513875> im going to work on my c++ knowledge this summer since its vry similar to java
[10:16] <emilsedgh> Jucato: please, speed up guys ;)
[10:16] <Jucato> if you mean quassel, it  isn't really KDE (yet)
[10:16] <jussio1> emilsedgh: http://quassel-irc.org/
[10:16] <emilsedgh> jussio1: yeah thats Qt
[10:16] <emilsedgh> i should get it
[10:16] <jussio1> emilsedgh: quassel rocks my world
[10:16] <jussio1> :D
[10:16] <Jucato> konvi + miau rocks mine :)
[10:16]  * emilsedgh is going to get quassel
[10:16] <Jucato> no need for server-client setup
[10:17] <Jucato> emilsedgh: aside from what you call "Chat Style support", I don't understand why not just run Konvi in KDE 4... it's not like Konvi 2.x will have that Chat Style magically once it's ported
[10:17] <jerknextdoor_> sorry to ask again.  but i'm no sure i was connected before.  but can anyone help with an external that wont mount?
[10:17] <Jucato> (again, not knowing what that Chat Style is...)
[10:18] <jussio1> emilsedgh: see you in #quassel :)
[10:18] <emilsedgh> Jucato: http://kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=24x26&PHPSESSID=4411833c088eba3d0cddc9eef7dd12e9
[10:19] <emilsedgh> jussio1: im checking out its trunk/ ;)
[10:19] <jussio1> emilsedgh: I have a bleeding edge quassel in my ppa, (hardy only)
[10:19] <Jucato> emilsedgh: ah well, don't hold our breath for Konvi 2.x... I doubt they'll implement something like that
[10:19] <emilsedgh> jussio1: no, im a 'always on trunk' guy
[10:19] <jussio1> :)
[10:19] <Jucato> they might implement some theming, but dunno...
[10:19] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i dont care, i just want something on kde4! (and not Qt :D)
[10:20] <emilsedgh> Jucato: just port! nothing else matters atm =))
[10:20] <Jucato> KDE *is* Qt!
[10:20] <Jucato> :P
[10:21] <emilsedgh> (KDE is not Qt)
[10:22] <Jucato> fine. KDE is Qt extended :D
[10:22] <emilsedgh> deal.
[10:23] <emilsedgh> oh no! jussio1, quassel has whole oxygen icons ?
[10:23] <Jucato> emilsedgh: although by C++ inheritance I'm still correct :P
[10:23] <Jucato> aaanyway...
[10:32]  * jussio1 pokes and prods emilsedgh into #quassel
[10:33]  * jpatrick just prods jussio1 
[10:33]  * Jucato puts a Detour --> Konversation sign
[10:33] <Jucato> :D
[10:33] <jussio1> hehe
[10:33] <Jucato> right... offtopic ops :P
[10:33]  * emilsedgh is building quassel
[10:34]  * jpatrick is amazed he has practically no spam mail since he changed his @kubuntu.org email
[10:46] <jerknextdoor_> anyone install gimp2.5 yet?
[11:18] <spiroo> Could someone help me with compiling. I got errors all the time of unincluded files and etc. It never get thrue that.
[11:18]  * laga_ waves
[11:18] <spiroo> I will paste the last segment which I think is "weird" :P
[11:19] <spiroo> http://pastebin.org/29634
[11:21] <spiroo> Anyone?
[11:21] <eagles0513875> spiroo: there are 3 easy steps to compiling
[11:22] <eagles0513875> let me get u something from google
[11:22] <spiroo> Thank you :)
[11:22] <eagles0513875> spiroo: u have the source code right
[11:23] <eagles0513875> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/softinstall.html
[11:23] <spiroo> uhm I guess from the svn ;) I am quite new on this, just for your knowledge ;)
[11:23] <eagles0513875> spiroo: lol ok there r three steps the
[11:24] <eagles0513875> u have to make sure u have unzipped the file if its zipped
[11:24] <spiroo> allright
[11:24] <eagles0513875> 2ndly run these 3 commands once u get into the folder that u unzipped
[11:24] <eagles0513875>  tar xvzf package.tar.gz (or tar xvjf package.tar.bz2)
[11:24] <eagles0513875> # cd package
[11:24] <eagles0513875> # ./configure
[11:24] <eagles0513875> # make
[11:24] <eagles0513875> # make install
[11:24] <eagles0513875> replace the word package with the name of the program in question
[11:24] <eagles0513875> and that should install it for ya
[11:25] <spiroo> Yes, but that is not the problem. The problem is in the source code.
[11:25] <eagles0513875> whats the package
[11:25] <spiroo> I get error while I am compiling
[11:26] <eagles0513875> whats the error
[11:26] <spiroo> A am doing this: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
[11:26] <spiroo> errors: http://pastebin.org/29634
[11:26] <eagles0513875> spiroo: u know kde4 pkgs r in the repositories btw
[11:27] <eagles0513875> spiroo: did u try the next step the make install step
[11:27] <spiroo> Yes I am making the install ;)
[11:27] <eagles0513875> is it working
[11:28] <spiroo> Not all the way as you can see in the pastebin source code
[11:29] <spiroo> I am not sure, but this could be problem:
[11:29] <spiroo> -- Soprano version 2.0.0 is too old. Please install 2.0.97 or newer
[11:29] <spiroo> -- Create macro to display info at the end of install
[11:29] <spiroo> Not sure how I do that though, because I cannot find any later version
[11:29] <crazy_bus> not sure if this is the place to ask.  But does kubuntu 8.04 with kde3 have the new compiz select menu and the kde4 version have something completely different?
[11:29] <eagles0513875> crazy_bus: u can run compiz on both
[11:30] <jerknextdoor> what's the best way to help out the ubuntu/kubunu community if you can't code?  i hang out in the irc channels and answer what i can but it's only noob questions that i can help with.
[11:30] <eagles0513875> jerknextdoor: test stuff and report bugs
[11:30] <eagles0513875> spiroo: recommend upgrading soprano
[11:30] <crazy_bus> eagles0513875: I know but was wondering about this statement "For the first time ever, Kubuntu 8.04 users, using KDE 3.5.9, will have the ability to easily enable Compiz desktop effects. Choose from 4 levels of desktop effects"
[11:31] <eagles0513875> u can download the compiz-fusion pkg and the ccsm which allows u to tweak compiz and emerald desktop manager and u can customize it like crazy
[11:31] <jerknextdoor> eagles: thanks man, i do that as much as i can.  i just want to help more.  not just with ubuntu but with all of the *nix's.  i should probably just start learning to code
[11:31] <spiroo> eagles: Yes, but I cannot found any higher version of Soprano
[11:31] <eagles0513875> spiroo: leave it installing
[11:32] <eagles0513875> and if it doesnt work report a bug on kde
[11:32] <eagles0513875> to the kde site on kubuntu
[11:33] <matt01> hi is there a kde4 chat room?
[11:34] <jerknextdoor_> #kde4
[11:35] <matt01> thanks
[11:40] <jussi01> matt01: also, #kubuntu-kde4
[11:40] <matt01> thanx
[11:41] <crazy_bus> thanks for the answer eagles0513875.  Sorry about not answering I was away for a few minutes
[11:42] <neville_> What command can I use to start an xserver with resolution of 320x240? Trying to change it during operation isn't terribly practical
[11:47] <JasonWard> is there a channel which discusses assembly language on freenode.net?
[12:15] <max> I need to disable the "shell to rs232" in my linux kubunto 7.1 ... what is the name of the driver to deinstall?
[12:18] <plex_> hi everybody. i'm totally new to linux. can anybody help me to get xkb layout changes work with ctrl+alt?
[12:18] <spiroo> There is problem with plasma while downlaoding
[12:19] <eagles0513875> plex_: u might actually like my site im working on
[12:22] <spiroo> eagles: Yes now it is working. Someone had made changes in the trunk. I forgot to update svn with checkout :D
[12:23] <eagles0513875> plex_: its still a work in progress but im hoping to have a number of simplified how to's for people whor new to linux such as urself
[12:23] <eagles0513875> spiroo: lol that happens to the best of us
[12:24] <spiroo> eagles: okey :D I forgot that the trunk always is in development. Quite cool I must say.
[12:27] <eagles0513875> spiroo: lol i would try it out but i have quite alot on my plate atm
[12:27] <eagles0513875> learning how to fix bugs pkg lol exams now in may
[12:27] <eagles0513875> linux cert exam sometime in may
[12:28] <eagles0513875> !utc
[12:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about utc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:29] <spiroo> eagles: Understandable :)
[12:32] <max> I need to disable the "shell via rs232" in my linux kubunto 7.1 ... what is the name of the driver to disinstall?
[12:32] <spiroo> eagles: What is a linux cert exam exactly?
[12:33] <eagles0513875> spiroo: google lpi
[12:33] <eagles0513875> basically u learn how to set up stuf fin linux there r 4 courses for it total
[12:33] <eagles0513875> im doing the first one
[12:34] <spiroo> okay, will do
[12:34] <spiroo> Nice :)
[12:34] <spiroo> The website for lpi wasnt so nice :D
[12:35] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:35] <eagles0513875> its worth doing
[12:36] <eagles0513875> i in particular where i am in europe i would like to create some more competition by setting up my own isp
[12:36] <eagles0513875> probably all linux based
[12:36] <spiroo> cool :)
[12:36] <eagles0513875> lol im in love with kubuntu i cant use anything else
[12:40] <spiroo> hehe, same here :) I cannot go back to gnome/ubuntu :D And Windows sucks. Only reason is games and Photoshop for WIndows.
[12:41] <jussio1> !ot
[12:41] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:41] <kreggz> yeah why do major distros go with Gnome by default..
[12:41] <jerknextdoor> kreggz: not all of them do.  several go with kde.
[12:42] <jerknextdoor> kreggz:  mandrivia and opensuse are kde
[12:42] <osh_> kreggz: and pclinuxos afaik
[12:42] <kreggz> suse is gnome?
[12:42] <jussio1> Please head over to #kubuntu-offtopic with this discussion. thanks :)
[12:43] <eagles0513875> kreggz: u in offtopic
[12:43] <kreggz> yeah
[12:44] <jussio1> Hrm, How does one make kmail show emails in the full width of the reader?
[12:44] <eagles0513875> jussio1: wish i knew lol i use evolution
[12:47] <ralph> hallo zusammen! bin seit einiger zeit dabei mit kde4 anzufreunden. das einzige wo es probleme gibt ist die schriftgrösse. hat jemand eine ahnung was ich da machen kann? danke schon mal
[12:47] <osh_> !kde-de
[12:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-de - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:47] <jussio1> !de | ralph
[12:47] <ubotu> ralph: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:47] <osh_> jussio1: Ah, that's the stuff... ;-)
[12:48] <jussio1> :)
[12:49] <eagles0513875> is there a maltese channel lol
[12:54] <osh_> eagles0513875: Is there a maltese language? I didn't know that. I thought that english and italian were the languages spoken there.
[12:55] <eagles0513875> osh_: maltese as well
[12:55] <eagles0513875> osh_: come in offtopic
[12:58] <spiroo> How do I get latest soprano version?
[12:59] <spiroo> gah, I must wait while they are editin in source code in the trunk :D
[13:00] <eagles0513875> spiroo: lol
[13:00] <eagles0513875> osh_: u coming to offtopic channel
[13:01] <osh_> eagles0513875: yeah
[13:02] <spiroo> Where do I find WebKit for Soprano?
[13:03] <eagles0513875> !webkit
[13:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about webkit - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:03] <eagles0513875> !soprano
[13:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about soprano - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:03] <eagles0513875> spiroo: try www.google.com/linux
[13:04] <spiroo> lol
[13:04] <eagles0513875> searches all linux related sites
[13:05] <spiroo> I would like the Soprano 2.0.3, but I cannot found it :P Thanks for that, I thought google would search on linux :D
[13:13] <spiroo> How do I unzip a tar.bz2?
[13:13] <spiroo> Got this error:
[13:13] <spiroo> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[13:13] <spiroo> tar: Child returned status 1
[13:13] <Pici> tar xjvf file.tar.bz2
[13:15] <spiroo> thanks, I never understand the difference between xjfvm and everyone :D
[13:18] <spiroo> When I do "make install", what exaclty happens then?
[13:19] <jussio1> it copies the made files to the right places...
[13:19] <osh_> spiroo: for a full explanation read the makefile. but in general it'll compile and move the files the required location. =)
[13:19] <spiroo> *exactly
[13:19] <spiroo> osh_ okay tanks :) Required location, means?
[13:20] <osh_> spiroo: the location that's entered into the makefile (say /usr/bin as an example)
[13:21] <spiroo> okay.
[13:21] <osh_> spiroo: got to go. any other question?
[13:22] <spiroo> Not for the moment I guess :)
[13:22] <spiroo> Thanks
[13:22] <osh_> spiroo: good luck then. =)
[13:22] <osh_> bye
[13:22] <spiroo> bye
[13:33] <JasonWard> what is a good IRC client to use on windows?
[13:33] <spiroo> mIRC?
[13:33] <SlimeyPete> best to ask in ##windows
[13:33] <JasonWard> its a pity konversation doesn't work on win
[13:33] <JasonWard> ok
[13:35] <RainMakesMeWet> JasonWard: xchat works on windows
[13:36] <JasonWard> cool. thanks
[13:36] <spiroo> Damn it, whos working on Plasma Analog Clock in the KDE trunk?
[13:56] <[Kosh]> hi
[13:56] <[Kosh]> can some of friends help me with an adm 64 issue??
[13:57] <jussio1> !ask| [Kosh]
[13:57] <ubotu> [Kosh]: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[13:57] <wesley> !adeptfix
[13:57] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[13:59] <wesley> where is the config file of adept ?
[13:59] <[Kosh]> I recently upgrade my hardware to AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+, what I do, upgrade to 64?
[13:59] <SlimeyPete> you don't have to.
[13:59] <SlimeyPete> the 32-bit version of Kubuntu will work fine.
[14:14] <spiroo_> I will never be able to test Amarok2 if development team can stop editing in trunk. Could someone say that they should stop for a moment xD
[14:16] <p0mppu> hi everyone
[14:16] <Mactaylor> how do i get Kweather to display firenhieght?
[14:17] <p0mppu> how would I go about installing (or is it possible?) KDE 4.0 onto an Ubuntu machine so that the Gnome and KDE menus would "stay separate", so the two desktops wouldn't interfere with each other by any means?
[14:17] <p0mppu> so that I don't get KDE apps to the Gnome menu and vice versa
[14:19] <rance> I "think" ubuntu has setup the packages to get their respective menus from the *same* location, so that the menus can mix for those who want them to - personally, I *like* this
[14:19] <RainMakesMeWet> Mactaylor, in the kde control center, there are regional settings that need to be set to Imperial
[14:20] <rance> all the packages are then configured to "drop" their shortcuts into that common location by default.  You can switch it out, but there will be a LOT of maintenance to keep them seperate
[14:21] <neville_> Is there a way to determine what chip/chipset/whatever you call it a connected USB device uses?
[14:21] <p0mppu> rance, yeah I guess that's how it works..at least last time I installed KDE aside Gnome I got all the apps into both menus, turning them mostly unusable...three text editors, a couple of media players, cd-writing apps, internet browsers..and since I don't generally run GTK apps (or many at least) on KDE nor QT apps on Gnome, it's a mess
[14:21] <p0mppu> I hoped there was a setting or a keyword you could put to the shortcuts to have them appear only on either menu
[14:23] <rance> not to my knowlege p0mppu, but then I am a kde user with some gtk,gnome apps thrown in.  so I LIKE having all that stuff in the same menu list
[14:23] <RainMakesMeWet> p0mppu: you could just edit the menu I suppose.
[14:23] <p0mppu> but I'd have to do that every time I add something
[14:23] <rance> yup
[14:23] <p0mppu> and for all users
[14:23] <rance> maybe not for all users
[14:24] <p0mppu> but wouldn't it pick all the shortcuts for every user?
[14:24] <RainMakesMeWet> p0mppu: google it, I know there are ways of adding a gnome menu entry to sort them out
[14:25] <rance> If I remember right the menus have a "default" location for all users, and then "per-user" overrides, you should be able to edit the "defaults" and then all users would have the same base to start with, of course they are all free to edit their own menus
[14:27] <spiroo_> 57% compiled :P
[14:27] <RainMakesMeWet> http://lifehacker.com/software/linux-tip/hide-kde-apps-in-gnome-menus-280027.php
[14:27] <spiroo_> Almost there ...
[14:28] <eagles0513875> spiroo_: what r the specs on ur machine
[14:28] <RainMakesMeWet> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/18/removing-kde-icons-in-gnome-remove-gnome-icons-in-kde/
[14:28] <RainMakesMeWet> p0mppu: give those a look
[14:29] <spiroo_> eagles: 3 GHz HT, 4 GB RAM, 256 Graphic card
[14:29] <p0mppu> RainMakesMeWet, thanks a lot - looks like that's what I was searching
[14:30] <spiroo_> eagles: Will upgrade my CPU soon though to an Dual Core E8400 ;)
[14:30] <p0mppu> I'll just take a look at the script before doing anything else..
[14:32] <spiroo_> There is no problem with my PC with other words. And I have 100 Mbit/s too ;)
[14:33] <kblin> hi folks
[14:34] <p0mppu> well let's give it a try..thanks again, rance and RainMakesMeWet
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> I have a small q about pidgin
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> how can I make the text entry box for IMs deeper?
[14:36] <spiroo_> What do you mean with deeper?
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> spiroo_: end lower down the page,
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> taller?
[14:38] <spiroo> Ah okay, hmm seems that is not possible in the new version. You could do it before, that is for sure ,)
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> bah
[14:38] <SlimeyPete> yeah, it seems to have gotten disabled somehow
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> adjust the size of the text area using a sizing control
[14:38] <RainMakesMeWet> ActionParsnip: don't you drag it? If not, I thought there was a way to make it dynnmic in the prefs
[14:39] <RainMakesMeWet> @dynamic
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> never saw that
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> it wont drag :(
[14:48] <Cannon> hey guys, I am trying to add a new user via KDE Control Module ... when I enter admin password it doesn't allow me to change anything ... the modify, new, delete are still greyed out ... any ideas?
[14:48] <kazio_> pl
[14:48] <kazio_> ubuntu_pl
[14:49] <kazio_> polski irc ubuntu ?
[14:49] <NibiruET> Anyone here using Kopete? Need some info pls.
[14:50] <rance> I use kopete
[14:51] <Jucato> !pl | kazio_
[14:51] <ubotu> kazio_: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[14:51] <Jucato> NibiruET: ask your real question, then you'll find out
[14:51] <NibiruET> Ok how do I set incoming text font size to be the same as font size I use in chat screens. Using either kopte or Psi themes
[14:52] <NibiruET> rance: using v 0.12.0.7
[14:53] <Cannon> hey guys, I am trying to add a new user via KDE Control Module ... when I enter admin password it doesn't allow me to change anything ... the modify, new, delete are still greyed out ... any ideas?
[14:54] <Cannon> !adduser
[14:54] <Cannon> !useradd
[14:54] <ubotu> To add new users to your Ubuntu system, follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto - For administrative privileges, users need to be made members of the group "admin" - See !sudo
[14:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about useradd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:55] <sivaji> i installed xp after ubuntu installation ,then i was not able to boot ubuntu .showhow i restored grub now i cant boot xp
[14:55] <sivaji> somehow*
[14:55] <Jucato> !grub
[14:55] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[15:00] <sivaji>   Jucato i did everything as given in that page still its not working   my menu.list is  @ http://pastebin.com/f65be050d
[15:02] <vordme34> hello can anyone help me..adept crashed once and now it always states that another process is using the packaging dbase..dunno what to do?
[15:02] <Pici> !aptfix | vordme34
[15:02] <ubotu> vordme34: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:02] <Jucato> sivaji: obviously the root line for Windows XP is wrong, since it's the same one for Ubuntu
[15:02] <spiroo> 68% and a new error in code. Work faster development team :)
[15:03] <Jucato> sivaji: what partition is Windows in?
[15:03] <sivaji> Jucato /dev/hdb3
[15:03] <Jucato> sivaji: then root (hd0,0) should be root (hd1,2)
[15:04] <Jucato> in the Windows XP section
[15:04] <sivaji> Jucato ok but do you say that root (hd0,0) should be root (hd1,2)
[15:05] <sivaji> how /dev/hdb3 => hd1,2
[15:05] <Jucato> yes
[15:05] <Jucato> GRUB uses a different numbering system. hda = hd0, hdb = hd1
[15:06] <Jucato> hda1 = hd0,0, hda2 = hd0,1, hdb1 = hd1,0, hdb2 = hd1,1; hdb3 = hd1,2
[15:06] <sivaji> ho thanks Jucato :D
[15:07] <spiroo> 73% :D
[15:07] <sivaji> spiroo what are you trying to say ?
[15:08] <spiroo> sivaji: That it takes awhile to compile with a fulltime working development team :D
[15:09] <Azzco> I'm trying to set up a samba network, I remember that there was a kcontrol module for samba configuration before but I can't find it, what package do I need to install?
[15:09] <spiroo> smbclient i guess
[15:10] <spiroo> Depends which distro also
[15:10] <rance> Azzco: I forget the name of that also, buts it part of knoppix
[15:10] <Azzco> I'm in #kubuntu right? o.O
[15:11] <eagles0513875> Azya
[15:12] <rance> right: I figured if you couldnt find the program name any other way, you can fireup a knoppix 5.x cd and look for it there
[15:12] <Azzco> It wasn't smbclient it seems =( wasn't this installed by default before?
[15:12] <rance> at least youd know what you were looking for
[15:12] <Azzco> Oh okay thanks for the tip rance (However my CD drives doesn't like me anymore and graphical liveCDs is the same)
[15:13] <rance> Azzco: smbclient is the backend, are you looking for the gui frontend to manage it?  LinNeighborhood
[15:13] <rance> I think was its name
[15:14] <Azzco> yes I was looking for the frontend and I think that I found it "kdenetwork-filesharing" =)
[15:24] <edgy> heeeeeeeeeelp! I have no kicker menu in kubuntu hardy and the background is blank. This happens today suddenly, how can I fix, please?
[15:26] <tsb_> I suppose 8.04 is safe enough to upgrade to now?
[15:27] <ShawnRisk> hey
[15:27] <kblin> hi folks, I'm trying to install virt-manager on kubuntu 7.10, but it's not installable
[15:28] <ShawnRisk> how are you installing this?
[15:29] <kblin> sudo aptitude install virt-manager
[15:29] <Ukonpoika> edgy, try pressing alt+F2 and entering the commend: "kicker"
[15:29] <kblin> gives me: virt-manager: Depends: python-virtinst which is a virtual package
[15:30] <ShawnRisk> do you have python-virtinst installed?
[15:30] <edgy> Ukonpoika: wow! that really make kicker available now, what about the desktop? It's now blank and right-clicking show nothing
[15:31] <spiroo> Is it hard to program your own OS on your own?
[15:31] <kblin> ShawnRisk: tried: No candidate version found for python-virtinst
[15:31] <Jucato> edgy: kicker really shouldn't be there, since kicker is for KDE 3 and KDE 4 uses something different
[15:31] <edgy> Ukonpoika: I also got the kde3 kicker not the kde4 one
[15:31] <Jucato> (see my note about Kicker...)
[15:31] <edgy> Jucato: exactly, I got the kde3 version, what do they call it now?
[15:32] <Ukonpoika> edgy, oh, sorry. You should be asking somewhere else about kde4 problems.
[15:32] <Jucato> Plasma (both desktop and panel) and #kubuntu-kde4 please
[15:32] <ShawnRisk> kblin: maybe you need to install that as what you are installing is depend on that
[15:33] <edgy> Jucato: I asked in kubuntu-kde4 but seems no one there ;)
[15:33] <spiroo> I got a weird thing. Now in my menu top bar in every window. I got white-yellow text instead of blackgrey as it should be.
[15:33] <kblin> ShawnRisk: it's not installable
[15:33] <Jucato> edgy: patience... or you can read the Emergency FAQ linked to in the topic of #kde for the "How to get my panel back"
[15:35] <ShawnRisk> kblin: give me a second
[15:38] <Level15> !media
[15:38] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[15:38] <ShawnRisk> kblin: maybe you need to install virtinst first
[15:38] <Level15> !codecs
[15:38] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[15:39] <xoqa> i've a few problems, after selecting no bouncing curso in launch feedback AND after selecting and applying a theme using kde theme manager, the settings aren't applied
[15:39] <Pendeta> What kernel should be used with the Intel Core 2 Duo processor?
[15:39] <ShawnRisk> kblin: I figured that out by looking here: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html and searching for python-virtinst
[15:40] <Xbehave> whats the best way to see if my microphone is working? i cant find any recording programs in kubuntu
[15:41] <Xbehave> Pendeta: is it 32 or 64 bit?
[15:42] <Daisuke_Live> i do believe that all core 2 duos are, in fact, 64 bit processors
[15:42] <Pendeta> Xbehave, I don't know.
[15:43] <Pendeta> It is fast.
[15:43] <Jucato> Daisuke_Live: hm.. no
[15:43] <Jucato> oh wait, core 2 duo heheh
[15:43] <ShawnRisk> kblin: farer?
[15:43] <Daisuke_Live> The Core 2 brand refers to a range of Intel's consumer 64-bit dual-core and 2x2 MCM quad-core CPUs with the x86-64 instruction set, based on the Intel Core microarchitecture, derived from the 32-bit dual-core Yonah laptop processor.
[15:43]  * Jucato looks it up
[15:44] <Jucato> ah yeah
[15:44] <Jucato> core *2* duo  = dual 64 bit
[15:44] <Daisuke_Live> core duo not necessarily
[15:44] <SlimeyPete> Core Duo / Pentium Dual-Core = 32-bit
[15:44] <Daisuke_Live> right
[15:44] <Daisuke_Live> Pendeta, how much ram do you have?
[15:45] <Pendeta> 1 Gig of RAM
[15:45] <Daisuke_Live> do you do a lot of video encoding or other processor-intensive work?
[15:46] <Pendeta> Yes.
[15:46] <Xbehave> Pendeta: to get the most of it you can use amd64, but it will cause some problems (im not having any but there are problems) otherwise standerd 32 bit kerenel will give very similar performance untill you get 3.2 gigs of ram
[15:46] <Daisuke_Live> and that's the entire point i was getting to :)
[15:47] <spiroo> Xbehave: What happens if you have more than 3.2 GB
[15:47] <Daisuke_Live> it will probably be better to stick with 32 bit despite it being a tiny bit slower, purely because it's got less compatibility issues
[15:47] <Daisuke_Live> spiroo, 32-bit OSes won't see it.
[15:47] <Xbehave> its about 3.2 that a 32 bit kernel cant read
[15:48] <Pendeta> If I use 32 bit, should I use linux-generic or linux-image-generic?
[15:48] <aluno> i'm brazillian
[15:48] <aluno> and need of help!
[15:48] <Xbehave> !br
[15:48] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[15:49] <spiroo> Maybe I should try Linux 64-bit when I get my new Intel Core 2 E8400
[15:49] <Xbehave> but if its empty we can try and help here
[15:49] <[Morpheus]> hi everybody
[15:49] <aluno> Xbehave: txs!
[15:49] <SlimeyPete> Pendeta: they're the same thing
[15:49] <Xbehave> whats the best way to see if my microphone is working? i cant find any recording programs in kubuntu, i have krec but it doesnt seam to record
[15:49] <Daisuke_Live> i've had enough of open geu
[15:50] <Daisuke_Live> reboot time
[15:50] <[Morpheus]> try audacity
[15:50] <SlimeyPete> just two different names (the name changed at some point I think)
[15:51] <Xbehave> audacity is a dirty gnome program and i only have about 300mb left on my /, i was hopeing for some comandline majic to establish if it works at the lowest level, like cat /dev/microphone or something
[15:51] <Pendeta> SlimeyPete, ok, great. Thanks to all of you guys!
[15:53] <spiroo> How do I change chmod on the folder. I cannot remove it in Dolphin :D because I am not owner of it.
[15:54] <spiroo> *on a
[15:54] <xoqa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/157252 - this MAY be why kde theme manager isn't working for me
[15:54] <xoqa> but it's odd that even kde launcher settings don't work correctly
[15:55] <spiroo> !chmod
[15:55] <ubotu> An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[15:57] <makdaknife> Xbehave: arecord might be what you were looking for
[15:58] <kblin> ShawnRisk: which isn't installable either :)
[15:58] <edgy> Jucato: thanks for your help and hints, now everything is ok
[16:07] <Steven__> anyone here?
[16:07] <Odd-rationale> Steven__: no
[16:08] <Steven__> I just had a quick question on if anyone has been able to put linux on a macbook
[16:08] <Odd-rationale> Steven__: There is a ubuntu version for ppc i believe
[16:09] <Steven__> any idea where I can get that?
[16:09] <Jucato> !ppc
[16:09] <ubotu> PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[16:10] <Steven__> Thanks:)
[16:11] <Steven__> oh goodness.. alright so i got to this page ( http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/7.10/release/ ) but which one do i get? :S
[16:12] <Steven__> can i just download the one that says mac (PowerPC)?
[16:13] <SlimeyPete> is your macbook powerpc-based?
[16:13] <SlimeyPete> (I thought macbooks were all x86)
[16:14] <Steven__> I'm not sure.. It's a newer macbook
[16:14] <SlimeyPete> well, emt64 or whatever
[16:14] <SlimeyPete> if it's new then it's intel-based
[16:14] <Steven__> yeah that one
[16:14] <Steven__> it is intel-based
[16:15] <Steven__> It's one of the newer ones.. I'm pretty sure it's guaranteed that once you buy something from apple they come out with the newest thing the next day:P
[16:15] <Steven__> So which one can I download?
[16:15] <Steven__> I had kubuntu on my PC but i found it's COMPLETELY different for Mac
[16:16] <SlimeyPete> just use the standard PC one.
[16:16] <SlimeyPete> x86 or amd64
[16:16] <SlimeyPete> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook
[16:16] <SlimeyPete> (I don't actually have a macbook so I haven't tried it, but that seems to be the main howto on the subject)
[16:19] <Steven__> Alright thanks so much:)
[16:19] <spiroo> How do I isntall taglib1.5?
[16:19] <Steven__> what's the difference between x86 and amd64?
[16:19] <PhilRod> spiroo: it's not in adept?
[16:19] <Steven__> mac is 64 right?
[16:20] <spiroo> PhilRod: Nope only got v1.4 :/
[16:20] <PhilRod> spiroo: how come you need it? if it's for building kde trunk, just grab and build kdesupport
[16:21] <spiroo> I need it to compile Amarok2
[16:21] <spiroo> How do I build kdesupport?
[16:21] <spiroo> btw, in a guide it says this: "NOTE: Do not build taglib from kdesupport with debug support enabled, because that will break the collectionscanner. "
[16:21] <hydrogen> thats a load of bunk.
[16:21] <spiroo> Not sure what I should do and not should do.
[16:22] <Steven__> Mac is 64 right?
[16:22] <PhilRod> spiroo: same way you build any other trunk package - just use whatever instructions you're using currently and replace the package name with "kdesupport"
[16:23] <spiroo> okay thanks :)
[16:23] <Jucato> Steven__: unless it's one of the Intel/Mactels, it's PPC afaik.. I think there's an #ubuntu-ppc channel
[16:23] <Jucato> (or just build kdesupport/taglib by itself...
[16:23] <Steven__> alright thanks:)
[16:24] <spiroo> PhilRod: What is the source to kdesupport?
[16:25] <PhilRod> grab it from svn
[16:25] <PhilRod> I don't think it gets packaged as-is. Alternatively, see if there's a taglib 1.5 source tarball available somewhere
[16:26] <neville_> Is it just me, or in Linux, when one program is using the sound hardware, another program can't use it?
[16:26] <spiroo> "this one does not work: svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdesupport
[16:26] <PhilRod> spiroo: http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/files/src/taglib-1.5.tar.gz
[16:26] <Jucato> spiroo: http://ktown.kde.org/~wheeler/files/src/taglib-1.5.tar.gz
[16:27] <Jucato> bah!
[16:27] <Jucato> spiroo: remove the KDE from that url and it will :)
[16:27] <spiroo> okay :D
[16:28] <flipstar> neville_: which soundsystem are you using? pulseaudio ?
[16:28] <Jucato> spiroo: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Prerequisites#kdesupport
[16:29] <neville_> No, Alsa
[16:29] <flipstar> neville_: alsa and oss (the default) can handle different sound sources
[16:29] <flipstar> it is a special application or general ?
[16:29] <neville_> vmware and amarok at the same time, in particular
[16:30] <hydrogen> oss isn't the default
[16:30] <neville_> One or the other grabs control, and blocks the other
[16:30] <hydrogen> alsa can handle multiple sources
[16:30] <hydrogen> but kubuntu still uses arts, for some stupid reason
[16:30] <hydrogen> and arts is a piece of shite, and is probably the cause of your problems
[16:31] <neville_> hmm, what could be done to investigate this a bit, before doing something rash? :P
[16:31] <spiroo> Jucato: I feel like a stupid idiot here :D
[16:32] <flipstar> neville_: you could try to change the soundserver..maybe hydrogen will give you a tip for a better one :)
[16:32] <hydrogen> alsa has supported audio mixing for a long time...
[16:32] <spiroo> Jucato: That could be why I never got it to work :D
[16:33] <spiroo> PhilRod: Thanks for your help too ;)
[16:34] <neville_> okey dokey, and just one last thing, what is different regarding Pulse?
[16:35] <ubuntu_> hello and a nice day :D
[16:35] <ubuntu_> I've a question...
[16:36] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu_: ask away
[16:36] <ubuntu_> ok ;)
[16:36] <SlimeyPete> if any of us know the answer then we will help
[16:36] <ubuntu_> i try to install the drivers for my ati radeon x1650 Pro- Grafic-Card.
[16:37] <ubuntu_> And i installed them successfully.
[16:37] <ubuntu_> But the driver crashes (??) on starting up the pc. The Loading-Screen appears and when usually should appear the login-Screen the screenturns black.
[16:37] <ubuntu_> I found a source in the internet that gave me several solutions but none of them worked.
[16:38] <ubuntu_> i suggest that the error occures because my monitor is connected with the wrong of the two outputs of my card
[16:38] <algyz> ubuntu_:  in the worst case restore xorg.conf
[16:38] <ubuntu_> no
[16:38] <ubuntu_> it was restored
[16:39] <ubuntu_> and it hadn't worked.
[16:39] <neville_> ubuntu_ what does it say when you try to manually start x with the driver?
[16:39] <ubuntu_> or... with the vesa-driver of course, but i wanna use the ati-driver instead
[16:39] <ubuntu_> i can't access anything when the screen turned black
[16:39] <ubuntu_> including the console...
[16:40] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu_: did you use the restricted driver manager to install the driver? Or did you download from the ATI website?
[16:40] <ubuntu_> i downloaded from the ati site...
[16:40] <neville_> control + alt + f1 should switch you to a console ubuntu_
[16:40] <SlimeyPete> that's not the best way to do it on kubuntu
[16:40] <ubuntu_> as i said, i'm sure that the driver is ok
[16:40] <ubuntu_> i tried ctrl+alt+F1
[16:41] <SlimeyPete> doesn't sound like it's OK.
[16:41] <ubuntu_> hm i think it's only because my settings in xorg.conf
[16:41] <SlimeyPete> I would suggest going back to VESA mode, then running the Restricted Driver Manager from the System Settings window.
[16:41] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu_: if ctrl-alt-f1 didn't work then the driver probably crashed X.
[16:42] <ubuntu_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63198/
[16:42] <ubuntu_> maybe
[16:43] <ubuntu_> but in the internet i read that it can be normal that the driver turns the screen black and that you can fix it through configuring the xorg.conf
[16:44] <ubuntu_> some modifications were made by me in the pasted text: the videooverlay, opengloverlay and the monitorlayout
[16:45] <tifine> hello
[16:45] <ubuntu_> currently my monitor is connected via the litle card-output with "video". I've an adapter to connect it to the vga-output, but when i tried this nothing happend...
[16:45] <tifine> i need a command to create a zip file on command
[16:46] <tifine> ?
[16:46] <SlimeyPete> !zip
[16:46] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[16:46] <SlimeyPete> hrm
[16:47] <SlimeyPete> the command is "zip zipfilename file1 file2 file3..." I think
[16:47] <ubuntu_> so, thats all i've tried right now... do you know a solution excluding reset or something like that? linux is realy bad with the vesa drivers...
[16:47] <sivaji_> Jucato
[16:48] <flipstar> ubuntu_: the xorg.conf shows that you card isn't detected correct
[16:48] <flipstar> maybe you try to reinstall the driver or just try the drivers in the repos
[16:49] <ubuntu_> repos?
[16:50] <ubuntu_> where do you see that the card isn't detected?
[16:50] <flipstar> repos=repositories the software sources included in kubuntu
[16:50] <flipstar> it says "Standardgrafikkarte" instead of the card name
[16:52] <ubuntu_> yes by manually reconfiguring xorg in console (x-server was crashed) it couldn't detect my card...
[16:52] <ubuntu_> so i gave it the german-name (sorry, thats also the reason for my bad english :D) Standardgrafikkarte
[16:53] <ubuntu_> Could it help to connect the card via the vga-output and run the detection once again?
[16:53] <ubuntu_> because my friend's pc has the vga-output for his pc...+
[16:54] <neville_> There's nothing dangerous with trying Pulseaudio from the repos, is there?
[16:54] <flipstar> you mean the monitor ? dont know if that makes a difference..try running the ati detection tool..
[16:54] <flipstar> neville_: probably not
[16:54] <neville_> Fingers crossed in that case :P
[16:55] <amerigo> ! mobos
[16:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mobos - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:56] <eagles0513875> amerigo: what u looking for
[16:57] <spiroo> How do I login to this: Autentiseringsregion (realm): <https://svn.kde.org:443> KDE SVN account
[16:57] <ubuntu_> ati detection tool?
[16:58] <spiroo> please, you gotta be kidding me. For a moment ago anonsvg worked. Now I need a fucking account also :D
[16:58] <flipstar> for the xorg..yes its long time ago i used ati ..
[16:58] <eagles0513875> !language | spiroo
[16:58] <ubotu> spiroo: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[16:58] <spiroo> sorry :D
[16:58] <Plextor> hi everyone. when i install kubuntu, then install nvidia drivers, then reboot, i can't get my X loaded. i get some busybox, does anybody know anything about it?
[16:58] <spiroo> Well, someone?
[16:59] <flipstar> spiroo: what are you trying to do ?
[16:59] <spiroo> flipstar: I am tryint to get svg from: svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase
[17:00] <spiroo> But they request username and password. IT did not for a moment ago.
[17:00] <flipstar> just hit enter ..
[17:00] <flipstar> there's usally no passwd on svn
[17:01] <spiroo> authorization failed it says
[17:01] <spiroo> I know, but now it is password
[17:01] <spiroo> This only happens me, I promise :D
[17:03] <spiroo> ANyone know what the problem is?
[17:03] <flipstar> here it works great..
[17:03] <flipstar> just typed 'svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase'
[17:04] <spiroo> awesome
[17:04] <spiroo> well I try again then
[17:05] <hydrogen> spiroo: rm workspace/kwin/clients/ozone/lib -rf
[17:05] <hydrogen> and svn up again
[17:05] <spiroo> No, same error. Maybe they banned me because I am stealing bandwidth :D
[17:05] <flipstar> lol :)
[17:06] <veloxid> hello
[17:06] <spiroo> I have been compiling all day long and realodaing :D
[17:07] <spiroo> Not impossible
[17:07] <flipstar> spiroo: just try the thing above
[17:07] <flipstar> hi veloxid
[17:07] <spiroo> I tried, nothing happens. Still same old story. Asking for autorization
[17:07] <spiroo> It only happens with kdebase. The other svn works
[17:08] <veloxid> I've a problem with centrino speedstepping, my cpu is running on 600Mhz, although it can run with 2Ghz
[17:09] <veloxid> I tried a few things with cpufreq but it doesn't run at all
[17:09] <flipstar> spiroo: try rename ~/.subversion
[17:11] <spiroo> Where is it, there is none in home folder anyway
[17:11] <ovidiu> hi
[17:11] <veloxid> is there anyone who can help me with that problem?
[17:12] <ovidiu> what problem?
[17:12] <spiroo> veloxid: This is not a overclocking channel ;)
[17:12] <hydrogen> spiroo: that has nothing to do with overclocking..
[17:13] <flipstar> veloxid: try stopping the deamon by <sudo /etc/init.d/powernowd stop> or install a applett that controls the cpu freq.. <sudo apt-get install emifreq-applet>
[17:13] <veloxid> I know I do not want overclock but use my "normal" cpu clocking and not just the 600Mhz
[17:13] <spiroo> Ah sorry, read a little bit weird :D
[17:13] <veloxid> np
[17:15] <spiroo> This is my awkward problem: http://pastebin.org/29697
[17:15] <ovidiu> hi... I had compilled on my computer amarok 1.4.9 version, but now the aptitude updater says that there is an update for amarok... the update version is 1.4.8... how can I fix this??
[17:15] <veloxid> powernowd is not installed, but cpufreqd
[17:16] <flipstar> ovidiu: you can make dpkg to hold the costum package by <echo amarok hold|sudo dpkg --set-selections>
[17:16] <veloxid> while installing the applet, there is this error mesage: "
[17:16] <veloxid> CpuFreq support not available. Check sysfs is mounted and your CPU-specific module is loaded or built in the kernel.
[17:16] <veloxid> invoke-rc.d: initscript emifreq-applet, action "start" failed.
[17:16] <ovidiu> ok
[17:16] <veloxid> ups
[17:16] <spiroo> gah! This is killing me. Please somebody, jsut fix it :D
[17:16] <veloxid> sry
[17:16] <ovidiu> thanks flipstar
[17:17] <hydrogen> ovidiu: there should be a 1.4.9.1 package for gutsy..
[17:17] <flipstar> veloxid: hm then youre cpu is not supported by emifreq ..
[17:17] <eagles0513875> spiroo: if u dont know what ur doing y not instll kde4 from repos
[17:17] <hydrogen> !en | eagles0513875
[17:17] <ovidiu> in what repository?
[17:17] <ubotu> eagles0513875: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[17:17] <eagles0513875> O_o
[17:17] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:17] <eagles0513875> ty for the reminder
[17:17] <ubuntu> test live cd kubuntu
[17:18] <veloxid> flipstar: it is an centrino-M 2Ghz, <- It would be quite strange if it is not supported
[17:18] <spiroo> eagles: I almost know what I am doing. I know that anonsvn.kde.org not requires authorization that is for sure.
[17:18] <hydrogen> ovidiu: ah, apparently there isn't one yet...
[17:18] <hydrogen> apachelogger only made one for hardy :/
[17:18] <ovidiu> :p
[17:19] <spiroo> I am trying to logout and login again. Maybe something spooky happened with my internet :D
[17:20] <eagles0513875> u broked it
[17:20] <eagles0513875> actually more like borked it
[17:20] <flipstar> veloxid: its strange that you dont have powernowd
[17:20] <veloxid> i can try powernowd, perhaps that helps
[17:21] <veloxid> i tried cpufreqd <- this is uninstalling powernowd
[17:21] <spiroo> Still same problem :P
[17:22] <Cannon> hey flipstar
[17:22] <flipstar> veloxid: ah..then try disabling cpufreqd instead
[17:22] <flipstar> hi Cannon
[17:22] <Cannon> hows you today m8?
[17:24] <flipstar> good, thanks
[17:24] <veloxid> flipstar: just installed powernowd
[17:24] <Cannon> why does root@cannon-desktop:~# ls give no info when cannon@cannon-desktop:~$ ls does?
[17:24] <veloxid> so what do i have to do with powernowd?
[17:25] <flipstar> veloxid: you can try to disable it in systemsettings>advanced>services
[17:26] <flipstar> Cannon: maybe /root/ is empty..?
[17:26] <Cannon> lol, how can it be?
[17:26] <Cannon> what about etc, bin, mnt and such
[17:27] <veloxid> powernowd is not running
[17:27] <hydrogen> why wouldn't /root be empty?
[17:27] <spiroo> Is it possible to create an account on svg?
[17:28] <veloxid> if i try to run it it tells me that CPU frequency scaling not supported...
[17:29] <Xbehave_> is there a kde equivilent to pulse audio?
[17:29] <coggz> !pulse
[17:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pulse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:30] <hydrogen> phonon is a bit higher level interface
[17:31] <Xbehave_> ahh, so i have to upgrade to 4.x to be able to controll aplication volumes seperatly
[17:32] <flipstar> Cannon: try <ls />
[17:32] <veloxid> flipstar: can't start powernowd, and it has still 600mhz
[17:35] <spiroo> How do I add groups to a certain user?
[17:36] <hydrogen> gpasswd -a user groups
[17:36] <coggz> veloxid: have u rebooted?
[17:36] <coggz> silly question
[17:36] <flipstar> veloxid: try <sudo modprobe acpi_cpufreq> and then try again
[17:37] <olegb> spiroo: the kuser gui could be a way to go
[17:37] <spiroo> Not in KDE4 I am afraid
[17:38] <olegb> i have it in kde4
[17:38] <spiroo> hydrogen: Is it possible to add one user to every single group in one step. I do not know what the group names are
[17:38] <spiroo> olegb: Where?
[17:38] <veloxid> coggz: not rebootet, when starting modpobe there is an error inserting acpi_freq...: not such device
[17:38] <hydrogen> you don't want to add them to every single group
[17:38] <spiroo> hydrogen: I need one user to be able to listen on music and use sudo command
[17:39] <hydrogen> gpasswd -a user audio admin
[17:39] <dhq> when i run xterm i get this error wWarning: couldn't find charset data for locale C; using ISO 8859-1.
[17:39] <spiroo> thanks
[17:39] <olegb> spiroo: programs -> system -> usermanagement (i use a localized version, so it might be a different name)
[17:39] <crobe> hi, where is the difference between wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com? where should an article about a specal device go?
[17:39] <coggz> oh, right veloxid
[17:40] <spiroo> ah there I go, thanks olegb
[17:40] <veloxid> so what does it mean?
[17:41] <flipstar> veloxid: which kernel (uname -r) and version (lsb_release -a) you are running ?
[17:42] <veloxid> kernel: 2.6.24-16-generic
[17:42] <veloxid> Release:        8.04
[17:43] <_ZeuZ_> For some weird reason, whenever I turn off KDM Themes (for the user welcome screen) it appears to have been unclicked, then when I come back to the tab, it's clicked again... could it be coliding? (Login Manager and KDM Themes?)
[17:49] <spiroo> Now I get it, while I should fetch and extern object, then it asks for autorization.
[17:49] <peahbeah> Hello, which file I have to edit to create a desktop contextmenu extension f. e. for images? Within Dolphin it's easy. There I have only to create a *.desktop in the /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/ folder. But this servicemenus aren't available at the desktop.
[17:50] <veloxid_> mhh
[17:52] <spiroo> Can someone check this out:
[17:52] <spiroo> Hämtar externt objekt till "kdebase/workspace/kwin/clients/ozone/lib"
[17:52] <spiroo> Autentiseringsregion (realm): <https://svn.kde.org:443> KDE SVN account
[17:52] <flipstar> spiroo: could you translate it ?
[17:53] <spiroo> Fetching/Downloading extern object for "kdebase ...."
[17:53] <spiroo> Authorizationregion (realm): ....
[17:54] <veloxid> coggz: what does "oh right" mean?
[17:54] <spiroo> Afterwards it is asking for password for user kde-devel. That "works" then it asks for username which it shouldnt and then password.
[17:54] <coggz> it means i am unable to help as i am not good with modprobe and devices etc...
[17:54] <coggz> sorry
[17:54] <veloxid> ok shit
[17:55] <veloxid> but thx
[17:55] <jussio1> !ohmy | veloxid
[17:55] <spiroo> * Fetching/Downloading extern object to "kdebase/workspace/kwin/clients/ozone/lib"
[17:55] <ubotu> veloxid: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[17:55] <flipstar> veloxid: maybe try in #ubuntu+1 since seems we have no further idea here
[17:56] <flipstar> spiroo: maybe check out the svn mentioned here http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE+Subversion+HOWTO
[17:57] <veloxid> ok i will try.  thx for your
[17:57] <veloxid> help
[17:57] <spiroo> thanks flipstar, Will check it out
[18:00] <spiroo> flipstar: Sorry, but nothing helped me.
[18:01] <flipstar> there is a svn archive listed..
[18:01] <flipstar> svn co -r <x> https://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase/
[18:02] <flipstar> btw which ftp server you guy's prefer? i used to run vsftpd but its poor in monitoring..
[18:03] <rickest> flipstar: anon ftp server for the public?
[18:03] <Tm_T> I use only ssh
[18:03] <flipstar> rickest: no private ftp
[18:03] <rickest> nobody I know is using FTP anymore
[18:03] <rickest> scp, sftp, sshfs
[18:04] <flipstar> yes ftp over ssl..
[18:04] <Martin_> hello
[18:04] <flipstar> ftpes
[18:04] <Martin_> Can anyone help me to boot up my installed kubuntu via grub-console?
[18:05] <spiroo> hehe :P
[18:05] <Martin_> That's everything I'm able to get with my xfs fs
[18:06] <spiroo> Does kdebase in trunk works to fetch from wihout authorization for anyone of you guys?
[18:07] <SSJ_GZ> spiroo: Known issue
[18:07] <spiroo> SSJ_GZ: Is it?
[18:07] <SSJ_GZ> spiroo: Yep - check #kde-devel
[18:07] <spiroo> Is there a solution for the issue?
[18:07] <SSJ_GZ> spiroo: Patience :)
[18:08] <spiroo> SSJ_GZ: Hehe, yes I have waited all day long to trying compile KDE :D
[18:08] <SSJ_GZ> spiroo: Now is a really bad time, due to the WoC port in Plasma, amongst other things :)
[18:10] <spiroo> SSJ_GZ: Woho, awesome. This only happens me. I thought I should give it a go because I wanted to test Amarok 2 :D Well, I am not mad. Udnerstand you guys are developing. But you must agree this is quite annoying :D
[18:11] <SSJ_GZ> spiroo: That's trunk/ for you :)
[18:11] <redeian> hello
[18:11] <spiroo> SSJ_GZ: :P
[18:11] <redeian> I love kubuntu
[18:11] <emilsedgh> SSJ_GZ: do you know what is the status of khtml and acid? last time i checked, last week, it was 73, is it improved?
[18:12] <SSJ_GZ> emilsedgh: Haven't tried, sorry :/
[18:12] <redeian> i don't know
[18:12] <emilsedgh> ok ok no problem SSJ_GZ
[18:12] <redeian> Do you know what my name is?
[18:13] <spiroo> SSJ_GZ: The funny thing is that it is only kdebase that has problem :D The only one I havent compiled yet xD
[18:13] <SSJ_GZ> spiroo: Hehe :)
[18:13] <emilsedgh> SaeidZebardast: hi :)
[18:14] <redeian> This is my first time for use konverstion on kde.
[18:14] <redeian> Now I feel very exciting
[18:14] <redeian> *very excite
[18:14] <spiroo> redeian: Welcome to the modern world :D
[18:15] <XenThraL> lol, borat-sounding: "excite"
[18:15] <SaeidZebardast> emilsedgh: hi
[18:15] <XenThraL> "I'm very exCITE"
[18:15] <redeian> thank you.
[18:16] <SSJ_GZ> is nice
[18:16] <redeian> my english is very terrible.
[18:17] <spiroo> Never the less. I am not an expert on english myself :D
[18:17] <redeian> I have tried stady it at AUA in Thailand.
[18:18] <redeian> However you eng is cool!.
[18:18] <XenThraL> redeian: its understandable, so good enough :)
[18:18] <redeian> *your
[18:18] <XenThraL> redeian: you may want to try out the auto-spelling feature in konversation
[18:18] <redeian> T_T thank you.
[18:18] <XenThraL> redeian: right click where you type and select auto spell check
[18:18] <XenThraL> redeian: that helps a LOT, (english isn't my first language either)
[18:19] <redeian> I will try now. It still butter.
[18:20] <spiroo> Woho now does svn works again :D
[18:21] <flipstar> spiroo: the certificate for kdebase/workspace/kwin/clients/ozone/lib isn't valid ..
[18:21] <redeian> Oh auto spill checker's very cool.
[18:21] <flipstar> spiroo: nvm if it works :)
[18:21] <spiroo> flipstar: :D
[18:22] <spiroo> But the code does not work so good though xD Compiling error
[18:24] <algyz> How can I check for bad sectors in ntfs and ext3 partitions?
[18:24] <redeian> XD
[18:24] <algyz> !sectors
[18:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sectors - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:24] <ScorpKing> algyz: man fsck
[18:24] <algyz> :(
[18:25] <redeian> is fdisk work?
[18:25] <algyz> !thanks | ScorpKing
[18:25] <ubotu> ScorpKing: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[18:25] <redeian> Ha ha
[18:25] <ScorpKing> algyz: you're welcome :)
[18:26] <flipstar> algyz: with badblocks .. fsck should be able to fix common fs errors
[18:26] <algyz> I tried to send a file using kvirc, but kvirc crashed http://pastebin.ca/984883, kvirc guys told, that probably bad sectors :)
[18:26] <algyz> I'm not sure though
[18:31] <redeian> today is thai new year, don't forget travel in Thailand.
[18:34] <BunnyRevolution> hi.  this is pretty basic, but is there a way to get information about the pc similar to device manager, ie, proc speed, mem, etc.
[18:35] <flipstar> BunnyRevolution: install/use <lshw> it has even nice a gui <lshw-gtk>
[18:36] <slow-motion> hi
[18:37] <flipstar> hi slow-motion
[18:37] <slow-motion> hi flipstar
[18:40] <BunnyRevolution> for kubuntu?  isn't gtk gnome?
[18:42] <BunnyRevolution> nm, it apperas kubuntu hardy has it pre-installed
[18:42] <spiroo> I am following this guide: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/2.0_Development_HowTo
[18:43] <rickest> BunnyRevolution: Gnome uses gtk by default but by no means does use of gtk restrict an app to Gnome-only
[18:43] <ScorpKing> is there a quick way to play a wav file via cli?
[18:43] <spiroo> But I does not understand this:
[18:43] <spiroo> NOTE: Amarok will only build correctly if your Strigi library was built with "clucene" support. Install clucene and clucene-dev, then rebuild Strigi (in kdesupport), then build Amarok.
[18:43] <spiroo> NOTE: Do not build taglib from kdesupport with debug support enabled, because that will break the collectionscanner.
[18:43] <flipstar> ScorpKing: cmus and mplayer can run in cli ..if wav support is installed they will play it
[18:44] <algyz> nobody knows?
[18:44] <algyz> I tried to send a file using kvirc, but kvirc crashed http://pastebin.ca/984883, kvirc guys told, that probably bad sectors :)
[18:44] <ScorpKing> thanks flipstar
[18:45] <spiroo> haha you gotta be kidding me: "Expect a higher risk of build failure on Mondays when most kdelibs changes are committed. "
[18:45] <eagles0513875> spiroo: lol suxs to be u
[18:45] <spiroo> Yes, certainly :D Well I guess thats why I have luck with women :D
[18:46] <ScorpKing> algyz: dmesg | tail and see if there's I/O Errors
[18:47] <algyz> errors only with vmnet, can't imagine, why it's crached :|
[18:48] <roger_> hola
[18:48] <_ZeuZ_> roger_ el canal en español noe s este
[18:48] <roger_> y como le hago
[18:48] <algyz> !es | roger_
[18:48] <ubotu> roger_: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:48] <_ZeuZ_> te unis a #kubuntu-es
[18:49] <roger_> kooko GRACIAS
[18:50] <algyz> por favor
[18:50] <_ZeuZ_> algyz: que pasho?
[18:50] <algyz> que pasa tio?
[18:51] <_ZeuZ_> Nada, pregunto por tu "por favor" que necesitabas, no obstante, tendriamos que ir a kubutnu-es para hablar en español ^^
[18:51] <algyz> !en
[18:51] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[18:52] <spiroo> I have installed taglib1.5 but amarok does nto find it. What could be wrong?
[18:54] <spiroo> My amarok error :D http://pastebin.org/29719
[18:55] <_ZeuZ_> how long till Hardy's official release?
[18:55] <flipstar> _ZeuZ_: ten days
[18:55] <_ZeuZ_> !hardy
[18:55] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:55] <Teo-> how can i add more workspaces???
[18:56] <spiroo> Will there be a beta2?
[18:56] <flipstar> nope
[18:56] <combo> how can log-out in console? :D
[18:56] <eagles0513875> flipstar: do u know how to pkgs stuf
[18:56] <eagles0513875> combo: type login
[18:56] <_ZeuZ_> x'DD
[18:56] <flipstar> combo: 'exit'
[18:57] <_ZeuZ_> eagles0513875 actually that's a way to change users, the best way is LOGOUT xD
[18:57] <combo> flipstar: if exit then terminal is closed
[18:57] <eagles0513875> _ZeuZ_: thats what i meant im not thinking stright
[18:57] <flipstar> eagles0513875: what do you mean ?
[18:57] <eagles0513875> flipstar: do u fix bugs
[18:57] <flipstar> only my own bugs :)
[18:58] <combo> eagles0513875: it doesn't work :/
[18:58] <eagles0513875> combo: try logout
[18:58] <_ZeuZ_> anybody up to a simple NAT question?
[18:58] <eagles0513875> flipstar: u dont pkgs anything for kubuntu repos
[18:58] <combo> eagles0513875: nope
[18:58] <combo> :}
[18:58] <flipstar> eagles0513875: no
[18:58] <eagles0513875> damn it
[18:58] <eagles0513875> ok
[18:58] <flipstar> combo: you mean in a shell or tty ?
[18:58] <eagles0513875> combo: logout doesnt work
[18:59] <_ZeuZ_> ^o)
[18:59] <Chani> does kubuntu have any tools to install to a hard drive *without* booting from a cd? I want to install a distro on a usb hard drive so that a comp without a cd drive can boot it
[18:59] <_ZeuZ_> if exit does not work, nor logout, nor login, nor user, then you have a problem there
[18:59] <flipstar> !install | Chani
[18:59] <ubotu> Chani: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[18:59] <combo> flipstar: i mean logout to login manager
[18:59] <Chani> flipstar: thanks
[18:59] <combo> flipstar: there where u're entering password at start
[19:00] <flipstar> combo: in a tty? just type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[19:00] <flipstar> this will bring up kdm
[19:00] <combo> flipstar: i've installed FLUXBOX and can't logout! :/ nothing is here :|
[19:00] <combo> and don't want reset my comp
[19:00] <combo> just want to logout to change session
[19:00] <combo> from fluxbox to KDE
[19:01] <Maulwurf> alt + ctrl + "<-"
[19:01] <flipstar> isn't fluxbox a window manager ?
[19:01] <_ZeuZ_> it's also a desktop envirment
[19:02] <flipstar> hm combo just try to start kdm..there you probably can choose between those
[19:02] <Maulwurf> hm, ok i just thought
[19:02] <Chani> hmm. all of those options seem to involve rebooting the cd-reading computer...
[19:03] <flipstar> Chani: you can boot from usb if your bios support it
[19:03] <BugsBunnyBR> hey people..someone can tell why the installer of the kubuntu 8.04 crashes when I set the lang to Portuguese ?
[19:04] <Daisuke_Ido> 1) !pt, 2) ubuntu+1
[19:04] <BugsBunnyBR> !pt
[19:04] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[19:04] <BugsBunnyBR> ??
[19:04] <BugsBunnyBR> thanks
[19:06] <came0> hey when I use the export command, what file is that appeneding to?
[19:07] <cuznt> where can i find the repository for iceape please?
[19:07] <eagles0513875> !iceape
[19:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iceape - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:08] <combo> oups... so i'll ask again cuz i lsot connection: how can i logout in console so i can change session from fluxbox to KDE ?? :)
[19:09] <PhilRod> you want to log out a graphical session from the console? or log out a console session from the console?
[19:09] <PhilRod> or something else?
[19:09] <combo> PhilRod: logout a graphical session
[19:09] <PhilRod> I'm tempted to just suggest Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[19:10] <PhilRod> although presumably there's a proper way to end a fluxbox session
[19:10] <_ZeuZ_> CTRL + ALT + F3 (or any F exept F7 and up) then /etc/init.d/xdm stop && /etc/init.d/kdm start
[19:10] <combo> t-h-x
[19:14] <jhutchins_wk> Bad thing:  all the article links on the main kubuntu page point to testing software.  You have to go to the download page to get the released version.  This encourages people who don't know what they're doing to get the alpha/rc software.  Bad.
[19:16] <elmersky> does anybody have fully working speedstep in kde 3.5 / 4.0 in kubuntu ?
[19:18] <_ZeuZ_> speedstep?
[19:18] <elmersky> yes, for notebooks, scaling cpu frequency
[19:18] <elmersky> it works well in gnome
[19:18] <elmersky> but in kde i can't make it work
[19:19] <_ZeuZ_> with hardy, on mine works... though it only reduces my turion 64x2 to half the frequency of each processor...
[19:20] <elmersky> on my hp notebook nx9420 it works only in gnome, in kde i have to edit cpufreq values manually
[19:20] <came0> hey when I use the export command, what file is that appeneding to? ($ export JAVA_HOME=<PATH>)
[19:21] <_ZeuZ_> came0, none, I guess just the enviroment variables
[19:21] <ahmetkanar> hello
[19:21] <_ZeuZ_> elmersky here it works... though I'm sure I can reduce the frequency more...
[19:21] <came0> _ZeuZ_: how can I change it if I make a typo?
[19:22] <_ZeuZ_> came0: change it back to what it was? take the value first.. then restore it after usage, if not, you'll have to reboot to have it back
[19:22] <cuznt> !firefox3
[19:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firefox3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:22] <_ZeuZ_> cuznt: the beta is avaible in Hardy.
[19:23] <came0> _ZeuZ_: how to I get the current value?
[19:23] <elmersky> _ZeuZ_: then you're lucky one ;-) I wanted to try kde4 but without speedstep it's useless for me
[19:23] <_ZeuZ_> I know it has to be something like printing the PATH variables, not sure though...
[19:24] <flipstar> came0: maybe its in /etc/environment
[19:24] <_ZeuZ_> elmersky: I use it with KDE 3.5.9 ^^ beta testing purpouses, works pretty well, pretty much comparable to Slackware, though it keeps too much memory in buffers, hope the RC fixes that
[19:26] <elmersky> _ZeuZ_: i was trying many versions of KDE, with no luck
[19:26] <elmersky> i think that kde needs good cpu frequency applet like gnome
[19:27] <flipstar> elmersky: you can install emifreq-applet also in kde
[19:27] <_ZeuZ_> hmmm... Well, the "Bulletproof" of ubuntu, for KDE, is pretty crappy, I just copied my xorg.conf from my Debian ETCH and it works sweet on my HP Pavilion DV2135NR
[19:29] <elmersky> flipstar: thanks, i'll try it
[19:29] <veloxid> hey
[19:30] <_ZeuZ_> flipstar: emifreq-applet? mind you pointing me to a place to read about it withot prompting ubotu?
[19:30] <flipstar> _ZeuZ_: apt-cache show emifreq-applet maybe :)
[19:30] <veloxid> flipstar: in the other channel they say that it is probbably a user-error or a kernel-error
[19:31] <blueyed> Hi. Which service do I need to (re)start, if global hotkeys like alt-f2 stopped working?
[19:31] <blueyed> (alt-tab still works)
[19:31] <PhilRod> alt+f2 in kde3 is run by kdesktop
[19:31] <blueyed> PhilRod: Thanks, works :)
[19:33] <flipstar> veloxid: since youre using a generic kernel..i dont think so..
[19:33] <veloxid> ok
[19:33] <flipstar> veloxid: maybe you can fix the frequenz in bios as a workaround
[19:34] <spiroo> How do I delete files in trash even if I dont have permissions? I am only user of my PC, but they have root permissions
[19:34] <veloxid> no there are no bios settings which can change the frequence
[19:34] <veloxid> y
[19:34] <flipstar> spiroo: ask the admin :)
[19:34] <spiroo> I am admin
[19:35] <flipstar> veloxid: not even support for costum frequences or so ?
[19:35] <coggz> veloxid: are u still having problems?
[19:35] <flipstar> spiroo: then delete with sudo ..
[19:35] <veloxid> no
[19:35] <spiroo> Quite hard to do that in Dolphin. Please do not force me to do it in terminal manually :D
[19:36] <veloxid> it a notebook from fujitsu-siemens, no possibilities to change anything there
[19:36] <veloxid> but with windows it wworks on 2ghz
[19:36] <flipstar> spiroo: you can edit as root in dolphin..?
[19:36] <coggz> veloxid: how long u been usin kubuntu?
[19:37] <jussio1> spiroo: doesnt dolphin have a root button?
[19:37] <veloxid> just started
[19:37] <coggz> reinstall
[19:37] <flipstar> veloxid: before that you can try a live cd of a stable release ..
[19:37] <coggz> major step, but might work
[19:38] <veloxid> okk live-cd is a good idea.
[19:38] <flipstar> maybe it works fine in gutdy
[19:38] <coggz> did it always run in linux at600mhz
[19:38] <coggz> or was it 2ghz once
[19:38]  * be zaraz wraca...
[19:38]  * be - wróciłem :D
[19:38] <_ZeuZ_> hey, talking about that, I found a Kubuntu 7.10 exclusive bug...
[19:39] <_ZeuZ_> allows you to log as root through sudo before KDM starts and then it loads the desktop (creating the .kde files on /root) it's weird, still haven't heard reply from Canonical though
[19:40] <veloxid> coggz: it was always on 600mhz since i ve installed it,
[19:40] <coggz> ah
[19:40] <coggz> what is your laptop model etc...
[19:40] <flipstar> veloxid: btw how do you know its 600mhz ?
[19:41] <veloxid> before i installed 6.10 but there was a problem with my wlan so i needed another version, so i do not know if it had 2ghz there
[19:41] <veloxid> it is a fujitsu siemens amilo 1425
[19:42] <veloxid> used the performance monitor and a program which uses a lot of cpu-load, (for a while on almost 100%)
[19:42] <blueyed> veloxid: what's your problem (missed the beginning)?
[19:43] <blueyed> veloxid: cpu does not scale up?
[19:43] <veloxid> no
[19:43] <veloxid> stays at 600mhz all the time
[19:44] <coggz> If the machine is idle it runs with 600 MHz. If it needs more power it increases the speed to 800 MHz, 1GHz, 1.2GHz, 1.4GHz and 1.7GHz. You can control the speed step behaviour via sysfs
[19:44] <blueyed> veloxid: also if you run "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null"? If you then start top, it the cat process using all cpu?
[19:44] <_ZeuZ_> coggz: how to control that?
[19:44] <coggz> t's possible to throttle down the CPU to 600 MHz with the silent mode button. Pushing it again will bring it back to normal speed.
[19:45] <coggz> does it work?
[19:46] <coggz> http://www.ailis.de/~k/archives/6-Linux-on-Fujitsu-Siemens-M1425.html
[19:46] <coggz> veloxid: read that
[19:49] <veloxid> coggz; tere is no /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
[19:49] <veloxid> up to cpu0 its ok but cpufreq does not exist
[19:49] <coggz> ok
[19:50] <veloxid> i am not sure if pentium m is selected in ther kernel confguration
[19:50] <veloxid> how can i see if i selected it
[19:51] <fdoving> veloxid: grep -ni pentium /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[19:52] <_ZeuZ_> any idea how can I determine wich is the lowest frequency my turion 64x2 processor can be working at?
[19:53] <veloxid> fdoving: nothing happend... is that right?
[19:53] <fdoving> _ZeuZ_: usually: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[19:53] <veloxid> ah sry
[19:53] <fdoving> veloxid: depends.
[19:53] <veloxid> 673:# CONFIG_MPENTIUM4 is not set
[19:53] <veloxid> 674:# CONFIG_MPENTIUMII is not set
[19:53] <veloxid> 675:# CONFIG_MPENTIUMIII is not set
[19:53] <veloxid> 676:# CONFIG_MPENTIUMM is not set
[19:53] <veloxid> so probably i have to set the 676
[19:54] <_ZeuZ_> fdoving: only those frequencies? can't them be set lower?
[19:56] <veloxid> how do i do setting the config?
[19:57] <flipstar> veloxid: this config belongs to the kernel..
[19:57] <veloxid__> nick veloxid
[19:57] <algyz> kpowersave is good thing
[19:57] <veloxid> so I cannot do anything?
[19:58] <algyz> veloxid:  you can do everything :)
[19:58] <_ZeuZ_> is there any way to add a lower frequency for my processor to scal to it and consume less batery?
[19:58] <blueyed> veloxid: if you'd answered my question, I could say if it's bug 188226, you're experiencing..
[19:58] <flipstar> you could compile the kernel with CONFIG_MPENTIUMM=y
[19:58] <algyz> _ZeuZ_:  try kpowersave
[19:59] <veloxid> blueyed: which queston?
[19:59] <flipstar> "veloxid: also if you run "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null"? If you then start top, it the cat process using all cpu?"
[19:59] <blueyed> No ubotu here? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/188226
[19:59] <blueyed> veloxid: with cat and top
[19:59] <flipstar> !bug 188226
[20:00] <flipstar> !bug #188226
[20:00] <blueyed> veloxid: also if you run "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null"? If you then start top, it the cat process using all cpu?
[20:00] <_ZeuZ_> algyz: that wont allow me to drop the frequency lower.
[20:00] <blueyed> sry for spamming ;)
[20:00] <algyz> _ZeuZ_:  it should, I can do this
[20:00] <flipstar> !pong
[20:00] <ubotu> pong is an old atari game. It's fun!
[20:01] <algyz> _ZeuZ_:  right mouse click, set cpu frequency policy
[20:01] <_ZeuZ_> Policy is one thing.
[20:01] <veloxid> cat is uusing around 70% of the cpu
[20:01] <veloxid> now 85
[20:01] <coggz> !centrino
[20:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about centrino - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:01] <_ZeuZ_> Lowering the frequency lower than it's sayd here: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies is another
[20:01] <coggz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=116934
[20:01] <coggz> try that
[20:02] <Daisuke_Ido> so youw ant to lower it lower than it will actually step down?
[20:03] <_ZeuZ_> Daisuke_Ido: I don't really think the frequency it shows there it's the lower
[20:03] <Daisuke_Ido> what processor?
[20:04] <_ZeuZ_> Turion 64x2 @ 1600mhz
[20:04] <veloxid> sry, do not understand what to do....
[20:05] <algyz> veloxid:  what kind of problem?
[20:05] <_ZeuZ_> Daisuke_Ido: it currently allows me to use 800mhz or 1600mhz though I'm sure it can go lower
[20:05] <Daisuke_Ido> i really doubt it can go lower
[20:06] <suwro> hello
[20:07] <veloxid> coggz write: try that, i do not see what i should try with that page
[20:07] <_ZeuZ_> Daisuke_Ido: why do you think that?
[20:07] <Daisuke_Ido> it looks like those are the only two available speeds for that processor.
[20:07] <Ar-Pharazon> Hi, I need to send files from kubuntu to winxp over ethernet. Can anyone help?
[20:08] <Daisuke_Ido> there may be options between those
[20:08] <Daisuke_Ido> but those are the high and low
[20:09] <veloxid> just have to leave for a while be back in 2 hours. thx for your help up to now, will try new stuff later
[20:11] <choupina> set name CHN
[20:12] <FFForever> how do i install open office?
[20:14] <emilsedgh> FFForever: use adept, search for it, and right click on it and click on install
[20:14] <Cannon> hey guys, am using azureus to DL some tv eps but it won't save into /mnt due to permission problems ... would it be best to give azureus root or change permissions of /mnt?
[20:15] <flipstar> download into home and link to /mnt
[20:15] <Cannon> erm, how?
[20:15] <emilsedgh> Cannon: probably the best is to download it somewhere else, if not, just give some persmissions to that app.dont run it as root
[20:15] <blueyed> veloxid: /me is missing /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ also, quite suddenly.. it used to be there (amd64)
[20:16] <blueyed> veloxid: are you using Hardy?
[20:16] <Cannon> how can I set permission of the drive to my user name?
[20:16] <flipstar> Cannon: first, why do you want it in /mnt ?
[20:17] <Cannon> because thats where somebody told me to mount sda4 to yesterday
[20:17] <flipstar> oh..if you mounted a drive there then just mount with user option and rw probably
[20:17] <Cannon> and ... i have noticed that it doesn't automount on start-up
[20:22] <Cannon> cannon@cannon-desktop:~$ sudo chown cannon /mnt
[20:22] <Cannon> chown: changing ownership of `/mnt': Operation not permitted
[20:22] <Cannon> Please help[ me flip	
[20:22] <flipstar> Cannon: best thing would probably be editing fstab
[20:23] <Cannon> whre is that located?
[20:23] <blueyed> veloxid: what does /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuidle/current_driver contain for you?
[20:23] <flipstar> in /etc /etc/fstab
[20:25] <suwro> I use kubuntu for web development - php/java/openLaszlo - with fglrx driver - What to do to have shadows on window - I've tried kde's settings but it seems fglrx does not like it... I have black windows - in fact black screen just some text here and there - anyone have any ideea? compiz i think is big memory eater - no?
[20:25] <Cannon> # /dev/hda5
[20:25] <Cannon> UUID=a0dd4028-1f91-4801-8c68-1a37eb962b82 none            swap    sw              0       0
[20:25] <Cannon> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0       0
[20:25] <Cannon> How do I add sda4 flipstar?
[20:26] <flipstar> uhm it isn't there..? how did you mount it
[20:26] <suwro> metisse maybe?
[20:26] <suwro> anyone has metise ?
[20:26] <Cannon> by typing mount dev/sda4 /mnt
[20:27] <flipstar> then maybe type mount /dev/sda4 /mnt -o rw or something, after unmounting..
[20:27] <flipstar> im no expert in this
[20:28] <andyho623> has anyone else had any trouble updating firefox to ff3? for some reason I can't get it to install from the tar or thru synaptic
[20:28] <Cannon> igh, how do you unmount?
[20:28] <suwro> umount /mountpoint
[20:28] <Cannon> umount?
[20:28] <Cannon> i thought ti would be unmount
[20:28] <flipstar> its a command
[20:29] <suwro> nope - it's umount
[20:29] <suwro> :)
[20:29] <Cannon> cannon@cannon-desktop:~$ umount /dev/sda4
[20:29] <Cannon> umount: /dev/sda4 is not in the fstab (and you are not root)
[20:29] <suwro> sudo umount /dec/sda4
[20:29] <suwro> dev
[20:29] <flipstar> hm ?
[20:29] <suwro> sudo umount /dev/sda4
[20:29] <flipstar> sudo umnount /mnt rather
[20:29] <suwro> it's ok -
[20:29] <flipstar> arr typo
[20:30] <suwro> flipstar: man umount -> ... umount [-dflnrv] dir | device [...]  << notice the pipe? in our case is OR :)
[20:30] <Cannon> arrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
[20:31] <Cannon> now it's showing as empty :(
[20:31] <suwro> Cannon: what is showing as empty?
[20:31] <andyho623> ok.. nm I might just be retarded... LOL
[20:31] <flipstar> suwro: oh..okay didnt knew that thanks :)
[20:31] <Cannon> ../mnt
[20:31] <suwro> Cannon: you umount it
[20:31] <Cannon> sudo mount /dev/sda4 /mnt -o rw
[20:31] <Cannon> Lets me in but no files
[20:32] <suwro> sudo su
[20:32] <flipstar> andyho623: the .tar from mozilla website ?
[20:32] <suwro> go there
[20:32] <Cannon> i already unounted it
[20:32] <Cannon> cannon@cannon-desktop:~$ sudo umount /mnt
[20:32] <Cannon> cannon@cannon-desktop:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda4 /mnt -o rw
[20:32] <suwro> mount /dev/sda4 /mnt
[20:32] <nejode> Canon: you have to specify the filesystem type when you mount
[20:32] <suwro> -o rw is implicit if the file format permits it.
[20:32] <Cannon> it's a fat32
[20:32] <suwro> aha
[20:33] <suwro> mount -t vfat /dev/sda4 /mnt
[20:33] <Cannon> will it still be mounted upon reboot suwro?
[20:33] <nejode> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda4 /mnt/somefolder
[20:33] <suwro> Cannon: no
[20:33] <flipstar> suwro: he wants to mount so user can write to it
[20:33] <andyho623> flipstar - yeah that's what I was talking about, but I just fixed it so all is good now.. just temporary brain fart there! LOL
[20:33] <suwro> Cannon: add this line to /etc/fstab
[20:33] <Cannon> k
[20:34] <jonathan__> hello!
[20:34] <flipstar> andyho623: good :)
[20:34] <suwro> /dev/sda4 /mnt vfat user,defaults 0 0
[20:34] <jonathan__> i tried to intall ati drivers for my graphic-card and it didn't work.
[20:34] <suwro> Cannon: sudo pico /etc/fstab
[20:34] <jonathan__> and i don't gonna try it again because i tried it already 1 million times
[20:34] <suwro> or whatever your-re favorit editod is.
[20:34] <lopin> I just came back to my desktop after being out, and I recieved a notice that someone was trying to view my desktop remotely through VNC.  Is this a cause for concern?
[20:34] <suwro> favorite.
[20:35] <flipstar> !doesntwork | jonathan__
[20:35] <jonathan__> and i'm a litle bit angry about kubuntu and ati and the situation.
[20:35] <ubotu> jonathan__: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[20:35] <Cannon> FRICK!
[20:35] <Cannon> now it won't let me dave the damn file!
[20:35] <Cannon> i REALLY hate all this root stuff
[20:35] <suwro> lopin: maybe someone just scan your computer and found that you have port 5900 open.
[20:35] <lopin> I'm behind a firewall...
[20:35] <flipstar> Cannon: you must edit the file as root.. <kdesu kate /etc/fstab> for e.g
[20:36] <lopin> I've got port 80 open and a few others, but they all go to another computer on my network.
[20:36] <lopin> Is there some way that I can pull up a log?
[20:36] <jonathan__> so i've a simple question :) is there a possibility to play 3d-games or software like google earth WITHOUT the ATI-Drivers?
[20:36] <suwro> Cannon: man - better read about UNIX folders and devices - everything is a file - that's why is so secured - compare to windows.
[20:37] <Cannon> lol, i'd rather have something insecrure that works easily
[20:37] <lopin> I'm scared...
[20:37] <Cannon> it's like having to learn a new language!
[20:37] <suwro> jonathan__: yes it is - but it is working slow like hell - use mesa libs.
[20:37] <suwro> Cannon: then switch to windows -
[20:37] <jonathan__> thats what i'm actually doing, and it's slow like hell ;)
[20:37] <suwro> Cannon: nope - just read
[20:37] <jonathan__> is there an other possibility?
[20:37] <suwro> Cannon: it's the same thing - just a little bit secured.
[20:38] <flipstar> jonathan__: whats the problem with installing drivers ?
[20:38] <jonathan__> everything
[20:38] <Cannon> it's funny how many linux users tell me to switch back to windows
[20:38] <suwro> Cannon: if you want my oppinion - i'll rather have something hard and stable than insecure and easy.
[20:38] <flipstar> jonathan__: just use the restricted-manager in kmenu ..
[20:38] <blueyed> veloxid: See https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/205087 - appears to be a regression in Hardy. You are using Hardy, correct?
[20:39] <jonathan__> what do you think i tried the last week? ^
[20:39] <jonathan__> ^^
[20:39] <Cannon> brb, reboot
[20:39] <suwro> Cannon: we don't like the ones who read tru' lines or who don't even bother to google it for simple answers
[20:39] <lopin> Where are the vnc logs?
[20:39] <Cannon> i struggle to follow things like that suwro
[20:39] <jonathan__> it's a well-known problem that ati isn't able to produce good and working drivers for the x-Series.
[20:39] <Cannon> i feel suicidal most of the day m8
[20:39] <suwro> Cannon: i've answered this kind of questions several times in last 7 years
[20:39]  * Cannon can't even follow simple instructions
[20:40] <Cannon> am very ill
[20:40] <jonathan__> and i'm to stupid and lazy to configure this the next week also
[20:40] <suwro> jonathan__: I know - but I've seen metisse on mandriva - and got impressed
[20:40] <Cannon> and unfortunatly have little patience ... i do appreciate the help though
[20:40] <suwro> jonathan__: umm - and with fglrx driver ;)
[20:40] <suwro> jonathan__: simply and easy - just works.
[20:40] <suwro> Cannon: ok :)
[20:42] <suwro> ok - I'm gone to play with my shadows. anyone has fglrx and compiz on kde?
[20:42] <flipstar> lopin: probably in $HOME/.vnc
[20:42] <lopin> Okay...
[20:42] <lopin> I'm sorry, but I'm scared as hell...
[20:43] <suwro> Cannon: you don't have to reboot
[20:43] <flipstar> lopin: as long as your pw is secure you dont have to ..
[20:43] <suwro> Cannon: reboot is for windows ;)
[20:43] <lopin> Well, I mean I got a dialog asking permission, and I said no...
[20:43] <suwro> umount again
[20:43] <suwro> ah - he left.
[20:43] <jonathan__> hm fglrx is the problem
[20:43] <lopin> But, I'm behind a router, and I though I had that turned off...
[20:43] <lopin> I've got the two firewalls...
[20:43] <jonathan__> this is the driver that doesn't work
[20:44] <lopin> And most of the other traffic is going to my other computer...
[20:44] <suwro> i remeber ubuntu had a manual online - no?
[20:44] <lopin> OH SHIT! The other computer!
[20:44] <suwro> i'm out
[20:44] <suwro> bue
[20:44] <suwro> bye
[20:44] <suwro> damn - gone to play AAO
[20:44] <suwro> :)
[20:45] <flipstar> aao ?
[20:45] <coggz> yo Cann
[20:45] <coggz> ??
[20:46] <coggz> is anyone here good with sound issues, as i have a HDA intel card, and my microphone doesn't work
[20:46] <flipstar> jonathan__: you also can use ati or radeon on xorg.conf
[20:46] <flipstar> coggz: did you read the intelhda page ?
[20:47] <coggz> yes
[20:47] <coggz> !hda
[20:47] <flipstar> hm checked alsamixer ?
[20:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:47] <coggz> i will do again
[20:47] <jonathan__> how do you mean this?
[20:47] <coggz> alsa mixer is turned up
[20:47] <flipstar> coggz: no the mic in alsamixer ..
[20:47] <Cannon> still can't write to it
[20:48] <flipstar> jonathan__: when you've problems with the fglrx driver you can try 'ati' in the xorg.xonf
[20:48] <jonathan__> doesn't work
[20:48] <jonathan__> :D
[20:48] <ScorpKing> konqueror crash when i open http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6719 - using kde 3.5.8. anyone else have the same problem?
[20:48] <flipstar> ScorpKing: same here.. kde3.5.9
[20:49] <Cannon> lol, yeo
[20:49] <Cannon> p
[20:49] <coggz> how would i tell
[20:49] <nejode> Canon: post your /etc/fstab en : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/   ... I'll edit it for you and send it back
[20:49] <flipstar> coggz: search microphone in alsamixer
[20:49] <ScorpKing> flipstar: :( thanks for checking. i'll use firefox then
[20:49] <coggz> how...
[20:50] <flipstar> coggz: start alsamixer in a shell and look for microphone ..
[20:50] <coggz> oh, lol
[20:51] <flipstar> jonathan__: doesn't work doesn't help ..
[20:51] <andyho623> Hey does anyone know if there is something like "stereo mix" in Kubuntu? I'm trying to record what's coming out of my speakers and mic.
[20:51] <Cannon> how can I give my user root access?
[20:51] <flipstar> btw im out
[20:52] <fdoving> Cannon: you don't want to do that, you want to use sudo for administrative tasks.
[20:52] <Cannon> i don't, lol
[20:52] <Cannon> i want root becqause am fed up of nopt having access to the files i need
[20:52] <FFForever> how do i turn cron logging on?
[20:53] <Cannon> please tell me fdoving
[20:53] <FFForever> !root > Cannon
[20:53] <Cannon> thats not what I was asking
[20:53] <jussio1> Cannon: we dont support root here. sorry.
[20:54] <FFForever> that is the closest you can get....
[20:54] <coggz> i can only pickup interferiance
[20:54] <Cannon> but all the suggestions am getting for giving permissions to a folder are not working jussi01 ... is it a bug with kubuntu?
[20:54] <nejode> Cannon: ALT+F2> kdesu konqueror and you'llhave konqueror with root rights
[20:54] <Cannon> hmmm, i'll try that
[20:55] <jussio1> Cannon: do what nejodesaid, then right click the folder, properties, permissions...
[20:58] <Cannon> that is a lil easier it's letting me change permissions of directories but not the files inside them
[20:59] <jonathan__> it simply doesn't work... black screen on startup, no errors, nothing you can do including switch to the console... The well-known problem thats not realy fixed right now...
[21:02] <nejode> Cannon: you have to mark the checkbox that says: apply changes to subdirectories and files
[21:03] <nejode> ...or something like that
[21:03] <Cannon> i did :(
[21:04] <nejode> ...stange, very stange...
[21:05] <Cannon> indeed
[21:05] <Cannon> i really don't get it
[21:05] <Cannon> am doing what peeps are suggesting but still no luck
[21:05] <jonathan__> i give up :D
[21:05] <jonathan__> but i have a next question
[21:06] <jonathan__> i downloaded a program as sourcecode in tar.bz2-format.
[21:06] <jonathan__> what is the next step to install it?
[21:06] <Daisuke_Ido> that all depends on the program in question
[21:06] <jussio1> jonathan__: what program out of curiousity?
[21:06] <DreadKnight> jonathan__: decompress, browse it, and then make, and make install as far as i know
[21:07] <nejode> Cannon: you have to restart konqueror so tou can visualize the change you made... try it out and you'll see that the change stuck
[21:07] <jussio1> !compile | jonathan__
[21:07] <ubotu> jonathan__: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[21:07] <jonathan__> i did...
[21:07] <Cannon> half my pragrams have froze ... gone all grey
[21:07] <Cannon> somewhat a waste of a power ful system at the mo!
[21:08] <Cannon> ugh, another one has frozen
[21:08] <Daisuke_Ido> still curious as to what program jonathan__ is looking for
[21:08] <nejode> Cannon: CNTL+ALT+BACKSPACE to restart your xserver
[21:08] <jonathan__> sorry, it's a game
[21:08] <Daisuke_Ido> and this is why compiz + kde = evil
[21:09] <Cannon> lol, was just about to and they all came back at once :O
[21:09] <Daisuke_Ido> that narrows it down a tiny bit
[21:09] <greeg> apt-get remove failed to remove mysql
[21:09] <greeg> how do i truly remove sql.  so when i again apt-get install it will prompt me for the password
[21:09] <greeg> when i say truely i mean absolutly no trace left on my computer
[21:10] <Daisuke_Ido> greeg, why don't you just start it to set a password?
[21:10] <Cannon> lol, you didn't tell me i would be logged out :/
[21:10] <greeg> because it still keeps the old password
[21:11] <Daisuke_Ido> do you know the old password?
[21:11] <nejode> greeg: sudo apt-get --purge remove mysql
[21:11] <puvo> In my Kubuntu, there aint coming any sound, anywhere, not in movies, not kubuntus own sounds, and not from the internet. and I dont know what to do. s:
[21:12] <Cannon> ZOMG it's working!
[21:13] <Cannon> time for a kip ... gn all and thanks for your help
[21:14]  * greeg from now on shal --purge all removals
[21:14] <greeg> thanx
[21:14] <jonathan__> sorry, the program was already built i just had to activate the package-source...
[21:16] <cecko> hi all, will I remain bootable after resizin /boot partition?
[21:16] <pato> Hi, i have trouble with my usb mouse and its using in virtual machine. I can not click on everything in virtual machine, because I will get massege to make snapshot. How can i resolve this problem. Hotkeys ? I don't know how.. Thank u very much
[21:16] <cecko> my partitions go like this: /boot  /windowz  /  /home
[21:17] <Daisuke_Ido> nice to see that amarok 1.4.9 isn't available yet :\
[21:17] <greeg> that didnt work
[21:17] <Daisuke_Ido> figured it wouldn't work
[21:17] <greeg> why would it say upon apt-get install   -->   * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld                                                                      [ OK ]
[21:17] <greeg> if it were already removed
[21:17] <Daisuke_Ido> because just because you uninstalled it doesn't mean it wasn't still running in ram
[21:17] <greeg> nor did it ask me for the password like it originally did.
[21:18] <spanther> hello dear kubuntu community ^-^
[21:18] <Daisuke_Ido> greeg, do you know the password?
[21:18] <jussio1> does anyone know how to open .pptx files?
[21:18] <Daisuke_Ido> jussi01, sell your soul to MS for office 2007
[21:18] <greeg> Daisuke_Ido: no it was incorrectly typed
[21:18] <spanther> jussi01, powerpoint file
[21:18] <spanther> its a microsoft powerpoint file
[21:18] <jussio1> spanther: yes, i know...
[21:19] <Daisuke_Ido> it's a powerpoint file in office 2007 format, bit different
[21:19]  * jussio1 curses at stupid teaches and their microsoft stuff
[21:19] <Daisuke_Ido> i think they're working on an import filter for OOo
[21:19] <Daisuke_Ido> not entirely sure
[21:19] <nejode> greeg: does it ask for a new pass?
[21:19] <greeg> ok NOW it's NOT running in ram.  im gonna purge rmove and apt-get install again
[21:20] <Daisuke_Ido> jussi01, that's just wrong for them to expect you to go out and get the latest version of software because they're too lazy to use 97/2k/xp format
[21:20] <jussio1> Daisuke_Ido: yep, correct.
[21:20] <nejode> greeg: although most people say the contrary, there are times when it's good practice to reboot
[21:21] <Daisuke_Ido> nejode, stopping a daemon can be done without rebooting
[21:21] <jussio1> and often they restart with the pc...
[21:22] <nejode> ...not if you purged it
[21:22] <greeg> perhalps apt-get autoremove
[21:23] <nejode> no, that's only for useless packages
[21:23] <greeg> Removing mysql-server-5.0 ...
[21:23] <greeg> Removing mysql-client-5.0 ...
[21:24] <nejode> sudo /init.d/mysql stop
[21:25] <nejode> ...sorry>> sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop
[21:27] <nejode> ...or sudo /etc/init.d/mysql force-reload   after you reinstall
[21:27] <greeg> i just did a apt-get -purge remove and autoremove.  what the HELL is mysql still doing in /etc/init.d/ ?
[21:27] <Hamra> im using gutsy, and in 90% of the cases i press disconnect in konversation, the program crashes , in the other 10% it does nothing, doesnt even disconnect :(
[21:28] <greeg> how do i get rid of this with reformatting my harddrive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:28] <nejode> greeg: is the mysql init script still en /etc/init.d?
[21:29] <greeg> yes
[21:29] <greeg> im going to remove it.
[21:30] <greeg> hopefully when reinstalling via apt-get it will prompt me for the password.  (doubt it)
[21:31] <spiroo> flipstar, Jussio1: Where is that root button?
[21:31] <pato> Please guys. Try to help me :)
[21:32] <jussio1> spiroo: on the right, there are 4 buttons...
[21:32] <greeg> what the hell is going on here.   upon apt-get installing mysql.  why would it care if the init script is still installed or not.  whynot make a new one since im "INSTALLING" it
[21:32] <greeg> invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found.
[21:33] <nejode> ...I'm out... leaving
[21:33] <greeg> http://rafb.net/p/PwxMyP35.html
[21:34] <greeg> once again.  it failed to prompt me for the password.
[21:34] <spiroo> Jussio1: You know I am using the KDE4 version? :P
[21:34] <greeg> why is it not making a fresh new installation.
[21:34] <jussio1> spiroo: no, as you are in the kde3 channel, if you had been in #kubuntu-kde4 ...
[21:35] <greeg> why did it NOT make a new init script
[21:35] <greeg> hence this was an installation.
[21:35] <spiroo> Jussio1: I can still be here even if I am using KDE4 ;)
[21:36] <jussio1> spiroo: correct. but it helps to ask questions about kde4 stuff in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[21:37] <greeg> i think linux is broke
[21:37] <spiroo> Jussio1: Well, sorry about that. But how do I do it manually?
[21:37] <greeg> if it doesent completly install the programs
[21:37] <greeg> how do i file a bug report ?
[21:38] <norman_> hola alguien puede decirme como configurar el escritotio
[21:38] <norman_> ?
[21:39] <norman_> como girar el cubo
[21:39] <Daisuke_Ido> anyway, as i was saying, nice to see that amarok 1.4.9 hasn't hit the repos yet (not a big deal, the new exaile hasn't either - both of which are bugfix releases and fix the amazon issue)
[21:39] <jussio1> !es | norman_
[21:39] <ubotu> norman_: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[21:39] <norman_> oh sorry i didnt knew that i was on a english room
[21:40] <norman_> ok thanks
[21:40] <jussio1> :)
[21:40] <norman_> im new on kde and i need to know how to costumise the desktop
[21:40] <slow-motion> n8
[21:42] <jussio1> !themes | norman_:
[21:42] <ubotu> norman_:: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[21:43] <norman_> ok thanks
[21:46] <FFForever> how do i enable cron logging
[21:47] <greeg> if i just ran an apt-get --purge autoremove mysql,  why the HELL  is S19mysql S18mysql-ndb S17mysql-ndb-mgm still in /etc/rc2.d ?
[21:47] <greeg> what the hell is going on here.
[21:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> does autoremove support --purge?
[21:49] <greeg> no i mean i tried both
[21:49] <greeg> autoremove and apt-get remove --purge
[21:49] <greeg> they failed
[21:49] <ScorpKing> greeg: sudo aptitude purge <package>
[21:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont know about aptitude, but apt-get will only purge an installed package - not an uninstalled package with left over files
[21:50] <ScorpKing> not sure about aptitude either but that's what i use
[21:51] <greeg> ScorpKing: that might just do the trick.  it saw mysql on there after apt-get's  misserable attempt to remove it.
[21:51] <acemo> how do i get kaffeine to play xvid?
[21:51] <greeg> so what's apt-get's problem ?
[21:51] <ScorpKing> greeg: sometimes aptitude does things better ;)
[21:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> greeg,  /msg dpkg why not apt-get and /msg dpkg why not aptitude
[21:52] <fdoving> greeg: i suggest installing deborphan, and use 'deborphan --find-config|xargs dpkg -P'
[21:54] <fdoving> greeg: if you don't want deborphan, you can use dpkg like this: dpkg -l|grep ^rc|awk '{print $2}'|xargs dpkg -P
[21:54] <greeg> and whats the application of those commands ?
[21:54] <greeg> to purge packages ?
[21:54] <fdoving> purge packages with only config left.
[21:54] <Daisuke_Ido> IOW: deborphan is simpler...
[21:55] <greeg> thanx folks.  i'll add those to my list of one liners
[21:55] <jonathan__> hallo!
[21:56] <acemo> how do i get kaffeine to play xvid?
[21:56] <ScorpKing> greeg: basket is a good app to keep notes like that ;)
[21:56] <ScorpKing> hiya jonathan__
[21:56] <greeg> hmm basket ehh ?
[21:56] <fdoving> i like vim for things like that :)
[21:56] <ScorpKing> !info basket
[21:56] <ubotu> basket (source: basket): a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2-2build2.1 (gutsy), package size 4854 kB, installed size 7540 kB
[21:56] <greeg> emacs here
[21:56] <jonathan__> can someone tell me what this errors mean and how to solv it? :)
[21:56] <jonathan__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63222/
[21:57] <jonathan__> sorry them
[21:57] <ScorpKing> fdoving: we know - you're a pro :P ;)
[21:58] <jonathan__> i tried to install my ati drivers...
[21:59] <fdoving> ScorpKing: don't need to be a pro to use .txt files :)
[22:00] <ScorpKing> fdoving: hehe.. i know but using vi needs some manpage reading though
[22:01] <fdoving> ScorpKing: i can only suggest http://www.vi-improved.org/tutorial.php
[22:01] <fdoving> irc-style.
[22:01] <fdoving> very nice.
[22:02] <fdoving> kid woke up, need to go.
[22:02] <fdoving> bye.
[22:02] <ScorpKing> fdoving: thanks. adding it to my bookmarks :) cheers
[22:12] <norman_> porfavor alguien me ayuda instalan un archivo tar.bz2?
[22:12] <norman_> necesito help
[22:12] <kkathman> !es
[22:12] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[22:13] <jonathan__> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/ATI-Grafikkarten/fglrx/Manuelle_Treiberinstallation
[22:13] <jonathan__> i'm currently making this tutorial
[22:14] <jonathan__> and i've a problem with this command: module-assistant a-i fglrx
[22:14] <jonathan__> it seems that the package "fglrx" cannot be found
[22:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info fglrx
[22:15] <ubotu> Package fglrx does not exist in gutsy
[22:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> !find fglrx
[22:15] <ubotu> Found: fglrx-control, xorg-driver-fglrx, xorg-driver-fglrx-dev, fglrx-kernel-source
[22:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> !find fglrx hardy
[22:15] <ubotu> Found: fglrx-amdcccle, fglrx-control, xorg-driver-fglrx, xorg-driver-fglrx-dev, fglrx-kernel-source
[22:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> jonathan__, ^^^
[22:16] <jonathan__> hm and which one of that must i install?
[22:16] <jonathan__> configure?
[22:16] <jonathan__> the fglrx-kernel-source?
[22:16] <jonathan__> :)
[22:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably xorg-driver-fglrx
[22:16] <eagles0513875> jonathan__: r u working on writing a wiki
[22:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> !fglrx
[22:16] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[22:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. that wasnt helpful
[22:17] <jonathan__> why?
[22:17] <acemo> what do i need to install to get xvid to work?
[22:17] <jonathan__> which one now? :D
[22:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[22:17] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (2.6.22.4-14.10)): Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 7.1.0-8.37.6+2.6.22.4-14.10 (gutsy), package size 8357 kB, installed size 22472 kB
[22:18] <jonathan__> ok thanks
[22:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> jonathan__, looks like installing xorg-driver-fglrx would do the job :)
[22:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> !xvid
[22:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[22:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> acemo, ^^^
[22:18] <cecko> hi all, will I remain bootable after resizin /boot partition?
[22:18] <cecko> my partitions go like this: /boot  /windowz  /  /home
[22:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> as long as you keep your data intact
[22:20] <jonathan__> hadn't woked, same error like before
[22:20] <jonathan__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63225/
[22:20] <jonathan__> i'm sure i installed the package
[22:21]  * Kamping_Kaiser looks
[22:22] <jonathan__> sorry, hand't read your post
[22:22] <jonathan__> the thing is that i installed the driver but the tutorial says i must buld a module or someting like that
[22:23] <jonathan__> module-assistant a-i fglrx
[22:23] <jonathan__> can i leave it out when i installed the deb-package for the fglrx-driver?
[22:23] <acemo> oh god lol.. they switched from xvid to kvm.. no wonder i coulnt play the "xvid"
[22:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> jonathan__, perhaps you should ask #ubuntu-de or #kubuntu-de (the latter probably). i'm /way/ to out of it to translate the tutorial :)
[22:25] <jonathan__> oh shit sorry, forgot that the tutorial is german
[22:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[22:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> no worries. usually i'd try, but... its 7am, and i didnt sleep last night ;)
[22:26] <veloxid> hello
[22:26] <veloxid> is still one of the guys here, who helped me with my speedstepping problem?
[22:26] <acemo> !kvm
[22:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:28] <jonathan__> ik i gonna give it a try
[22:29] <jonathan__> right then
[22:29] <nonewmsgsISSLEEP> eotf
[22:31] <acemo> how can i play kvm on kubuntu?
[22:36] <ScorpKing> acemo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
[22:36]  * nonewmsgs kvm
[22:36] <nonewmsgs> what is that
[22:36] <acemo> ScorpKing: sorry.. i ment MKV
[22:37] <acemo> ScorpKing: might found something already tho
[22:37] <ScorpKing> nonewmsgs: The Kernel Virtual Machine or a KVM switch. google it ;)
[22:38] <nonewmsgs> neat
[22:39] <ScorpKing> acemo: np. i see some info on the ubuntu forums
[22:39] <acemo> ohh wait lets ask the bot first
[22:39] <acemo> !mkv
[22:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[22:40] <Daisuke_Ido> acemo, let me guess...  video will play, but not sound?
[22:40] <acemo> actually, no it gives an error and wont play at all
[22:41] <Daisuke_Ido> in mplayer or...
[22:41] <acemo> kaffeine and vlc
[22:41] <Daisuke_Ido> !search matroska
[22:41] <ubotu> Found:
[22:41] <Daisuke_Ido> that was helpful
[22:41] <acemo> indeed :)
[22:42] <acemo> getting these 2 errors: 11:41:18 PM: xine: couldn't find demux for >file:///home/acemo/Movies/[DB]_Naruto_Shippuuden_053_[2DCC2764].avi< 11:41:18 PM: xine: found input plugin : file input plugin
[22:42] <Daisuke_Ido> libmatroska0
[22:42] <veloxid> have a problem with the speedstepping of my centrino-m 2ghz prozessor, it is always steped on 600mhz, althought the cpu-load is 100%
[22:43] <acemo> Daisuke_Ido: got that one installed already
[22:44] <veloxid> is here some one who can help me with that prob?
[22:46] <TimS> beagled-helper is using 80% of my system resoursces
[22:46] <TimS> What is it?
[22:46] <TimS> Oh, I'm guessing its part of Beagle
[22:49] <JoshOvki> i have a problem with kernal version 2.6.24-16 and madwifi, anyone know of any difficulties in using them together or how to resolve it?
[22:49] <nonewmsgs> how do you know it's a kernal konflict?
[22:50] <ScorpKing> acemo: http://www.matroska.org/ might be usefull
[22:50] <JoshOvki> because everything was working fine untill i did a kernal update
[22:50] <TimS> Is there any way to find out what proccess is accessing my HD at the moment?
[22:50] <nonewmsgs> JoshOvki: in grub menu you can select older kernal to verify it again
[22:50] <nonewmsgs> does that work
[22:51] <JoshOvki> nonewmsgs: i tryed to use the older kernal, but once i had installed the kernal update, i did a reinstall of madwifi, now it wont reinstall again with the lesser kernal version
[22:52] <ScorpKing> acemo: looks like you have to install libmatroska and libebml
[22:53] <mtoscano> Hi. I'm trying to get the kernel headers in hardy...
[22:53] <mtoscano> ...when I do "sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[22:53] <mtoscano> ...I get the error: E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.24-15-generic
[22:53] <acemo> ScorpKing: Reading state information... Done libmatroska0 is already the newest version. libebml0 is already the newest version. libebml0 set to manual installed.
[22:53] <acemo> ScorpKing: still doesnt works
[22:53] <JoshOvki> nonewmsgs: i also stumbled across this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/216658
[22:54]  * JoshOvki thanks god for copper cable
[22:54] <mtoscano> Anybody know how I can avoid that error?
[22:54] <ScorpKing> acemo: that suck
[22:54] <acemo> ScorpKing: indeed :)
[22:55] <ScorpKing> acemo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=398706 is the only usefull thing i see but i don't think that will help you much
[22:59] <ScorpKing> bedtime for me. nite guys
[22:59] <acemo> ScorpKing: giving up... going to reboot on windows and play
[23:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> bed time. bah
[23:01] <merkeke> im having trouble finding my wireless
[23:01] <merkeke> ne 1 can help?
[23:02] <merkeke> i had it hooked up the first time. then it didnt work so i re-installed kubuntu and i still cant find it
[23:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> "didnt work" "trouble"?
[23:03] <merkeke> yes?
[23:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> what does that mean?
[23:04] <merkeke> it wont find my wireless
[23:04] <merkeke> im having troubles finding it
[23:07] <Azzco> Does Gutsy fully support KDE 3.5.9?
[23:11] <Azzco> I can only  find this page and it says "Security and other updates may not be applied promptly." http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-359.php
[23:24] <westy101> adept manager keeps crashing says something else is using it
[23:24]  * maduser sigh sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:24] <Daisuke_Ido> is there an update going on?
[23:25] <Daisuke_Ido> !aptfix
[23:25] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[23:25] <maduser> hey Daisuke_Ido I found your song
[23:25] <maduser> on the net
[23:25] <westy101> well there was a i had a fatal system error and it shutdown
[23:25] <Daisuke_Ido> erm...  which?
[23:25] <maduser> duk koo kim?
[23:25] <Daisuke_Ido> oh wait...  acoustic duk koo kim
[23:25] <westy101> cpu overload
[23:25] <maduser> yeah
[23:25] <Daisuke_Ido> from 'Nights'
[23:26] <westy101> sound system  caused cpu overload
[23:26] <maduser> url is on offtopic
[23:26] <_myrtille_> how come wine is officially version 0.9.59 but gutsy still uses 0.9.46
[23:26] <aa>   i can't connect to efnet but i can connect here. where's the problem?
[23:27] <_myrtille_> are there incompatibilities one should know about
[23:27] <_myrtille_> or could i just install the newer version manually?
[23:27] <adz21c> _myrtille_: u can get the latest version from winehq.com
[23:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> _myrtille_, because when gutsy was released 0.9.46 was the latest version
[23:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> aa, good question. what is the problem?
[23:27] <adz21c> _myrtille_: they have a repo where they put a build of each version they release
[23:27] <aa> finally worked. took about 15 minutes though, Kamping_Kaiser
[23:28] <_myrtille_> thx :) i'll have a look
[23:28] <westy101> thank guys
[23:28] <Roby718> Welcome to the #rcompany Click here--> #rcompany <-- to enter the chat!! (Rserver)
[23:28] <Jucato> Roby718: hm?
[23:29] <Rmod> ?
[23:29] <westy101> is there a howto guide for the nvidia driver?
[23:29] <Daisuke_Ido> westy101, system settings > restricted drivers > tick the little box.
[23:29] <Daisuke_Ido> there you are, a howto
[23:30] <westy101> lol
[23:30] <Jucato> Rmod: please do not spam channel ads
[23:30] <Rmod> Rmod: autotyper: unknown
[23:31] <Daisuke_Ido> if you by chance need the newest (unsupported chipset or something to that effect)...
[23:31] <Daisuke_Ido> !nvidia
[23:31] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:31] <Rmod> Leaving channel
[23:36] <madex> hi
[23:36] <madex> any ideas on how to get the correct refresh rate on my TV
[23:37] <madex> I wish to optimise it :D
[23:38] <madex> I really want to download another nvidia driver
[23:38] <madex> maybe a driver for my TV
[23:39] <Daisuke_Ido> you don't install a driver for each
[23:39] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not how it works
[23:39] <madex> maybe i didnt say properly :/
[23:39] <madex> theres something not quite right
[23:40] <Azzco> Have you been in the "nvidia-settings"?
[23:40] <madex> aye
[23:40] <madex> for example, a lower resolution is 51 hz for example
[23:40] <madex> I'm running a media PC on my 42" lcd tv
[23:41] <madex> cant quite put my finger on it :/
[23:41] <lufthanza_> I need a bit of help with apt
[23:41] <lufthanza_> I need someone who is very experienced with it
[23:41] <madex> kubuntu > ubuntu
[23:42] <Azzco> lufthanza_: you might want to describe your problem?
[23:42] <lufthanza_> for some reason, my /var/lib/dpkg/status file got corrupted, there is a hole in it with scrambled data.
[23:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> lufthanza_, you dont know you need experiance until you ask :)
[23:43] <lufthanza_> of course, this is messing up apt badly, so i deleted it and rolled status-old into it's place
[23:43] <lufthanza_> was this the right course of action?
[23:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably. how did you break the system?
[23:46] <lufthanza_> Kamping_Kaiser: I don't know exactly what caused it to be corrupt, but sometimes my computer fails to shutdown properly and doesn't unmount it's fs properly, so I think that might have done it.
[23:46] <Strangelet> what command could I use to convert a load of files in a directory from uppercase to lowercase?
[23:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> Strangelet, try #bash
[23:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> the bot there is quite helpful
[23:47] <Strangelet> Kamping_Kaiser: Oh! Thank you!
[23:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[23:49] <user1> what are the default ports for ktorrent?      port:       and udp tracker port:    ?