[00:00] <histo> yeah its the effects which are defaulted to normal.  If I disable them scrolling no longer takes 100% cpu.
[00:00] <histo> This behavior did not occur in hardy.  Wonder if the intel driver is to blame but xorg is all messed up now.
[00:00] <Tuv0k> histo, blow away your old compiz settings
[00:00] <histo> Tuv0k: this is default seettings on an install
[00:01] <RAOF> Tuv0k: That's unlikely to help.
[00:01] <histo> Tuv0k: nothing i've changed fresh install
[00:01] <Tuv0k> its helped on more than one occasion
[00:01] <Adys> histo yeah its been doing it here too
[00:01] <histo> Tuv0k: i'm just comparing gutsy to hardy for testing and there are some major cpu usage issues with hardy.
[00:01] <histo> mostly with ff
[00:01] <histo> 3
[00:01] <sielnt_> and evolution
[00:01] <Tuv0k> sorry to hear that
[00:01] <RAOF> histo: Gah.  I thought we'd killed this.  It sounds like an EXA performance regression; what acceleration arch does Xorg.0.log report?
[00:01] <Adys> histo it also happens in the mozilla version of ff, reported it a few times theres some pretty crazy stuff :/
[00:02] <histo> RAOF: let me check
[00:02] <sielnt_> Adys: they are all mozilla versions of ff
[00:02] <Adys> I mean the non ubuntu one
[00:02] <Tuv0k> This box is an old Dimension 2350 with 512ram
[00:02] <Tuv0k> FF3 runs great
[00:02] <sielnt_> Adys: lol, non-ubuntu
[00:02] <Tuv0k> Intel onboard graphivs
[00:03] <histo> RAOF: is there a grep I can pass to catcht aht line in xorg log?
[00:03] <Adys> the one in the ubuntu repositories is modified sielnt_
[00:03] <Tuv0k> however compositing in xfce4 slows everything down
[00:03] <sielnt_> Adys: I'd say it's probably compiled for more compatibility, but other than that nothing's changed
[00:03] <Tuv0k> the onboard graphics bites.....hard
[00:03] <Adys> sielnt_: Try it yourself
[00:03] <histo> RAOF: let me refrase i'm not really sure what you are looking for out of it.
[00:04] <RAOF> histo: Something like "grep EXA /var/log/Xorg.0.log" should return something, I think.
[00:04] <RAOF> histo: I want to know whether you're using EXA or XAA, basically.  I think we default to EXA, but we've got some patches to the intel driver to make performance not suck.
[00:04] <Adys> sielnt_: Theres enough bugs happening in the ubuntu one that are not happening in the mozilla one - and the other way around - for me to call it different
[00:05] <kromonos> ok my hero
[00:05] <kromonos> now, I booted with 2.6.22
[00:05] <histo> RAOF: using EXA
[00:05] <kromonos> how can I use nvidia drivers?
[00:05] <histo> RAOF: so its a known issue then?
[00:06] <histo> !nvidia > kromonos
[00:06] <RAOF> histo: Yes, but I thought we'd fixed it
[00:06] <Adys> RAOF: it's been happening on nvidia drivers too here
[00:06] <RAOF> Adys: Yes, that's because the nvidia drivers are crap.
[00:06] <kromonos> histo: I have already installed nvidia drivers
[00:06] <kromonos> but with kernel 2.6.24
[00:07] <Adys> aight :P
[00:07] <kromonos> and not 2.6.22
[00:07] <histo> kromonos: then you need to install them with kernel 2.6.22
[00:07] <kromonos> but ltn Tuv0k said, I have to boot with this kernel
[00:07] <J-_> Hey, I'm getting an occasional dim from the newer updates. Anyone else have the same problem?
[00:07] <histo> kromonos: especially if you are using binary drivers
[00:08] <kromonos> yae ... but my problem, why ubuntu completly freeze with new kernel is not resolved with this way
[00:09] <histo> J-_: yeah I saw that once with firefox after updates.  Was happening to me while playing with the scrolling.
[00:09] <RAOF> histo: Hm.  I can't seem to find the LP bug, but there is one.
[00:11] <RAOF> histo: Hah, there it is: bug #177492
[00:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177492
[00:11] <kromonos> how can I downgrade from hardy back to 7.10?
[00:11] <x1250> kromonos: you can't, unless you reinstall 7.10
[00:11] <kromonos> hmpf
[00:12] <kromonos> and how can I downgrade to 2.6.24 kernel bevor 2.6.24-15?
[00:12] <DanaG> balls-achingly?
[00:13] <Adys> if you still have them installed just select a different one at boot in grub kromonos
[00:13] <kromonos> hmpf
[00:13] <kromonos> there is just 2.6.24-15 and 2.6.22
[00:13] <x1250> you can do that :) Try removing the metapackages for the linux kernel packages (linux-image-generic, linux-generic, etc) and then install the version you want. Also, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and disable hiddenmenu option
[00:14] <x1250> you can change your repos to gutsy ones and install from there, if nothing else works...
[00:15] <kromonos> is in gutsy an 2.6.24 kernel?
[00:15] <x1250> I dont know
[00:15] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[00:16] <kromonos> thx 4 great help x1250
[00:17] <RAdams> anyone else having an issue with sound-juicer under hardy?
[00:17] <Tuv0k> nope
[00:17] <RAdams> I can't select new profiles that I make
[00:17] <Tuv0k> weird
[00:18] <RAdams> Tuvok: do you use sound-juicer to rip your cds? what format do you use?
[00:18] <Tuv0k> depends
[00:18] <Tuv0k> if I want to have them portable mp3
[00:18] <Tuv0k> for storage ogg
[00:18] <Tuv0k> if I want to stream them, mp3
[00:19] <RAdams> Tuv0k: I'm using mp3. What is your gstreamer pipeline for 192 mp3s?
[00:19] <reya276> I need some help mounting my external hard drive, for some reason I can't access it
[00:19] <Tuv0k> I don't make 192bit mp3s
[00:19] <RAOF> lame preset=1001 :)
[00:20] <RAdams> RAOF: I can just use that alone for the pipe?
[00:20] <RAOF> You probably need a audioconvert before it and a id3v2mux after it or something like that.
[00:21] <RAOF> I'd also check, with "gst-inspect lame", that preset 1001 is actually the one you want :)
[00:21] <RAdams> RA0F: does this look right? audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! lame name=enc vbr=false bitrate=192 ! id3mux
[00:21] <reya276> ﻿I need some help mounting my external hard drive, for some reason I can't access it. Can anyone help? Please
[00:22] <RAdams> RA0F: And any clue why I can't select it as an output format? I set it to active, but I can't select it
[00:22] <Tuv0k> audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! lame name=enc mode=0 vbr-quality=6 ! id3v2mux
[00:22] <DanaG> If you use ogg AND mp3, you have to store things twice.
[00:22] <Tuv0k> negative
[00:23] <x1250> reya276: how are you mounting it and whats the error?
[00:24] <Lycus> what's that command to install dependencies for a package?
[00:24] <DanaG> negative?  What negative?
[00:24] <Tuv0k> DanaG, I don't store duplicates
[00:25] <RAOF> Lycus: There isn't one.  Oh.  You might be meaning "apt-get -f install"?
[00:25] <Tuv0k> Lycus, apt and synaptic handles that automagically
[00:25] <DanaG> I hope you don't convert from one lossy format to another.
[00:25] <DanaG> ﻿My iAudio6 plays .ogg -- nifty.
[00:25] <DanaG> And it has folder-based organization as the default.
[00:25] <RAOF> Lycus: But that's only going to do anything if you've installed a package in a non-standard way.
[00:25] <Lycus> Tuv0k: well using etch from a pen drive, i know there's something like apt-build depends
[00:25] <Lycus> I know using gaim's dependencies work for pidgin
[00:26] <Lycus> building pidgin from source.
[00:26] <Tuv0k> Lycus, you lost me
[00:26] <Lycus> Tuv0k: Say I wanted to build Pidgin from source
[00:26] <Tuv0k> dunno why, but ok
[00:26] <Lycus> But I didn't want to build its depends from from source
[00:27] <Lycus> what command would I use to install them?
[00:27] <Lycus> it's like apt-build dependencies pidgin or something, I can't remember.
[00:27] <Tuv0k> you'd pull down the dependencies first
[00:27] <Lycus> there's an apt command for it
[00:27] <Tuv0k> yeah something like that
[00:27] <Tuv0k> you might ant to man apt
[00:28] <RAOF> Lycus: You're after 'apt-get build-dep pidgin'
[00:28] <Lycus> RAOF: thanks.
[00:28] <Tuv0k> http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
[00:28] <Tuv0k> google is your friend
[00:29] <Tuv0k> or we could just do it for you?
[00:29] <Lycus> Tuv0k: I googled, wasn't sure what to google for, just a mess. :-P
[00:29] <Tuv0k> you had the right query, just plopped it into the worng window:-P
[00:29] <gerro> I just updated to hardy to try it out. I have no sound
[00:30] <gerro> what's with that update-modules is deprecated message it looks very ominous?
[00:30] <pagan0ne> anyone have any clue why i am unable to sudo, kdesu, kdesudo, or gksudo ?
[00:30] <Tuv0k> gerro, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=0zq&q=hardy+no+sound&btnG=Search
[00:30] <Tuv0k> first hit
[00:31] <Tuv0k> pagan0ne, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=jMW&q=hardy+unable+to+sudo&btnG=Search
[00:31] <Tuv0k> first hit
[00:31] <Tuv0k> bug 188424
[00:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188424 in sudo "[hardy] sudo unable to resolv hostname (dup-of: 32906)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188424
[00:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32906 in sudo "sudo shouldn’t ABSOLUTELY NEED to look up the host it’s running on" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32906
[00:32] <pagan0ne> Tuv0k, so this effects kdesu kdesudo and gksudo too?
[00:33] <Tuv0k> pagan0ne, dunno, I don't use those, join #kubuntu
[00:33] <pagan0ne> Tuv0k, and it appears thats from alpha 3, not the beta?
[00:33] <Tuv0k> pagan0ne, or read that bug report
[00:33] <J-_> what the heck
[00:33] <Tuv0k> the bug is still open
[00:33] <pagan0ne> Tuv0k, im reading the report
[00:34] <Tuv0k> Status tracked in Hardy
[00:34] <Tuv0k>   	  [edit]  In Progress
[00:34] <Tuv0k> that means it affects beta as well of course
[00:35] <Tuv0k> This bug has 13 duplicates
[00:35] <J-_> Either I'm gettin dillusional, or irssi is messing up. An example includes: 19:32 < J-_> :<look up the host it’s running on" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/32906
[00:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32906 in sudo "sudo shouldn’t ABSOLUTELY NEED to look up the host it’s running on" [High,In progress]
[00:36] <Lycus> gerro: maybe you went deaf
[00:37] <pagan0ne> Tuv0k, also that bug isnt the error im getting, its just it fails to launch the program, no errors spit out
[00:39] <gerro> Lycus: nah people have been reporting similar issues for older 8.04 kernels
[00:42] <T1m0thy> Sigh.. Am I the only one who finds Hardy slower than Gutsy?
[00:42] <gerro> I don't know I haven't tried it much yet been trying to fix the sound
[00:43] <Kill_X> bug 216999, does anyone experience similar things? :)
[00:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216999 in compiz-plugins "Decoration Plugin: Window shadow color is not displayed as set in plugin properties" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216999
[00:44] <cyclonut> T1m0thy: no, I've found hardy quicker all around
[00:44] <cyclonut> T1m0thy: but I do not use compiz, that might have something to do with it
[00:44] <T1m0thy> Well, I play Runescape (yeah I know, lol) and I used to be able to run it on high detail with no problems, it might have froze once in a while.. but now I run it on low detail and it freezes a lot and i have to refresh the Java applet.
[00:44] <T1m0thy> I don't use Compiz.
[00:44] <T1m0thy> I'm using Openbox.
[00:46] <pagan0ne> ok, i hope someone can help me, i just installed kubuntu 8.04 and sudo, kdesu, kdesudo, and gksudo ask for a password but fail to launch anything... anyone help please? the bug report Tuv0k doesnt seem to be whats causing my problem
[00:48] <gerro> wow that Angel Jaurigue person knows what they doing I did bunch of stuff with module assistant think this should fix sound
[00:50] <gerro> Tuv0k: and hey thx for link, I'll try and write that down for if i ever have broken sound again
[00:53] <Fritzel> ok umm
[00:53] <Fritzel> does anyone know why I can get this http://pastebin.com/d103d4b31 and still be here?
[00:53] <Fritzel> comcast is my isp, so it's a traceroute to my own isp
[00:55] <DanaG> ﻿Argh!  Why won't VirtualBox let go of my frackin' keyboard?  It doesn't work in the VM, but it breaks it in the host.
[00:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> DanaG: right control + r? or was it k...
[00:58] <DanaG> I set it to scroll-lock, actually.
[00:59] <DanaG> r is reboot.
[01:00] <DanaG> Well, it is really annoying having it refuse to let go of the mouse and keyboard.
[01:00] <DanaG> I had to AllowDeactivateGrabs in xorg.conf -- but that's a security risk, since it
[01:00] <DanaG> 'it'll also let people bypass the screensaver lock.
[01:02] <tobmaif> fron
[01:17] <tobmaif> fron
[01:20] <loufoque> the mplayer version in hardy is not recent enough for me
[01:20] <loufoque> is there anyone who maintains a package with a more up to date version?
[01:21] <crimsun> mediubuntu?  debian-multimedia.org?
[01:21] <crimsun> medibuntu*
[01:22] <Vorbote> somebody with a ppa at launchpad.net?
[01:22] <RussellGee> you could request a sync but its a bit late
[01:22] <crimsun> it's unlikely to be granted in any case  ;)
[01:22] <RussellGee> yeah
[01:22] <RussellGee> getdeb?
[01:23] <Killeroid> i think medibuntu has the atest mplayer packages
[01:23] <RussellGee> try getdeb.com
[01:24] <RussellGee> .net sorry
[01:26] <loufoque> I think i'll just compile the svn version myself and make a package out of it
[01:26] <loufoque> at least I know the current svn version works
[01:26] <loufoque> (for what I need)
[01:27] <Killeroid> loufoque: medibuntu has the latest mplayer packages
[01:27] <loufoque> i already have medibuntu
[01:28] <Killeroid> oh really, cos they do have the latest mplayer and i have it installed
[01:28] <Killeroid> ahh, first phrase in messzage intended for another window
[01:28] <loufoque> the latest mplayer is old.
[01:28] <loufoque> I need a fairly recent svn version
[01:29] <[Neurotic]> anyone got a quick workaround for when your ctrl,shift,alt keys lock up - like mine do when i use vmware
[01:29] <tobmaif> fron
[01:30] <[Neurotic]> like something to reset the keyboard.. otherwise i have to reboot - sorry about the lack of punctuation, i'm in the middle of one right now
[01:32] <DanaG> If you don't want to have to fully reboot, you can do a kernel-level kill of xorg -- however, it's called KILL for a reason!  Don't do it if you don't want to kill all running apps!
[01:32] <[Neurotic]> yeah.. i can just logout too
[01:33] <[Neurotic]> but i would prefer not to kill running apps
[01:33] <DanaG> yeah.
[01:33] <[Neurotic]> the weird thing is, in vmware, and remote connections, my keys still work
[01:33] <[Neurotic]> it's bizarre
[01:34] <darrend> [Neurotic]: tried xev to see what it reports when you hit those keys?
[01:34] <Kill_X> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/216891
[01:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216891 in ubuntu "executing a sudo command over a "ssh -X" connection 2 times in row in background results in massive CPU usage" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:34] <Kill_X> any comments?
[01:35] <[Neurotic]> darrend, will try taht
[01:36] <[Neurotic]> darrend, got a problem, in this state, i can't run a terminal, and running xev through deskbar, doesn't let me see errors ;/
[01:38] <darrend> [Neurotic]: you can't get a terminal through the application menu? That broken too, or some other reason?
[01:38] <[Neurotic]> darrend, whenever i get a terminal up, as soon as i start typing in it, it crashes
[01:38] <[Neurotic]> sorry - should have been clearer
[01:39] <darrend> ok, try the following in your deskbar..
[01:39] <darrend> gnome-terminal -e xev
[01:40] <darrend> or use xterm instead
[01:40] <reya276> how can I get by Wacom Tablet to work in Hardy
[01:41] <reya276> everyone seems to have it working according to this post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4701832&posted=1#post4701832, I also edited/added the lines on my Xorg.Conf file
[01:41] <[Neurotic]> darrend, that worked
[01:41] <[Neurotic]> darrend, i can't see any errors in the output, it seems to pick up the ctrl key just fine
[01:42] <reya276> but the tablet still does not work, but the funny thing is when I do dmsg it comes up as being detected by my system
[01:42] <reya276> what gives
[01:42] <darrend> [Neurotic]: does the problem persist or go away after you close vmware?
[01:43] <[Neurotic]> darrend, last time i tried, the problem persisted
[01:43] <[Neurotic]> but i didn't shut down the vmware services - mainly because i can't get to them
[01:43] <reya276> ﻿darrend:  seems like no one is willing to tackle this issue, can you help, please
[01:44] <[Neurotic]> darrend, trying vmware shut down now
[01:45] <gerro> alright still no sound..but strange thing I have nothing about pulseaudio under ps command
[01:45] <dotech> anyone here familiar with debugging mouse drivers?
[01:46] <dotech> or Xorg events for mouse actions?
[01:46] <dotech> i'm having a serious mouse clicking issue, only 10-20% of my clicks actually generate an Xorg ButtonPress/ButtonRelease event
[01:46] <darrend> reya276: never used one, sorry
[01:46] <darrend> dotech: xev
[01:47] <dotech> darrend: i used that and all that can tell me is that it is generating 1-3 clicks for ever 10
[01:47] <dotech> i dont know if the issue is Xorg itself or a lower level in the driver
[01:47] <[Neurotic]> darrend, no go on turning off vmware, going to see if i can get the services to stop
[01:47] <dotech> i know its not Gnome or any higher level software
[01:47] <darrend> dotech: tried the mouse on another machine?  could be h/w fault
[01:48] <dotech> i had used this mouse for years before installing ubuntu last week but i can give it a shot anyway just to cover the bases
[01:48] <Kill_X> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/216891 <-- might someone please test that one? :)
[01:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216891 in ubuntu "executing a sudo command over a "ssh -X" connection 2 times in row in background results in massive CPU usage" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:49] <darrend> [Neurotic]: if xterm doesn't work, use System>Administration>System Monitor
[01:49] <[Neurotic]> darrend, xterm works, thanks
[01:49] <darrend> dotech: what sort of mouse?
[01:49] <dotech> darrend: even better, i have another USB mouse i can try
[01:49] <dotech> both are USB optical mouses
[01:49] <darrend> dotech: make?
[01:50] <dotech> darrend: the one that i know is having issues is Creative Fatality
[01:50] <CoasterMaster> Does anyone know when we will be able to order Ubuntu DVDs from the Canonical store?
[01:50] <dotech> darrend: i'm trying a cheap dynex now
[01:50] <CoasterMaster> (Ubuntu 8.04 I mean)
[01:50] <gerro> hmm using xubuntu 8.04 and I can't edit settings on gksudo services-admin it has critical error "unable to lookup session information for process"
[01:50] <dotech> darrend: weird, the cheap dynex works perfectly
[01:50] <dotech> i have them both connected now
[01:51] <darrend> dotech: I have one somewhere with exactly the issue you report, but it was definitely hardware
[01:51] <dotech> the creative fatality works great in windows and on mac os x leopard, it must be some kind of driver issue then
[01:51] <dwidmann> dotech, try a different mouse driver and see if the other mouse works (evdev perhaps
[01:51] <dotech> yea i'll have to debug the driver to figure out what's going wrong
[01:51] <darrend> dotech: could try tweaking xorg.conf though
[01:52] <gerro> how do I turn on pulseaudio? isn't it supposed to be on?
[01:52] <dotech> darrend: i'm using vmmouse now
[01:52] <dotech> dwidmann: evdev is an alternative driver?
[01:52] <dwidmann> dotech: yes
[01:52] <dotech> ok i can try it
[01:53] <T1m0thy> Anyone know if Hardy will receive Opera 9.5?
[01:53] <dwidmann> dotech: man evdev, it has a nice "default evdev" for mice in it
[01:53] <dotech> im glad it isn't an Xorg issue because that wouldn't be as easy for me to work around
[01:53] <dotech> dwidmann: cool thanks, i'll check it out
[01:54] <RAOF> gerro: System->Preferences->Sound "enable software mixing".
[01:55] <gerro> so its not on by default?
[01:55] <[Neurotic]> darrend, just restarted vmware services, nope, still the keys are stuck
[01:55] <[Neurotic]> darrend, thanks for the help btw
[01:55] <reya276> Can anyone help me troubleshoot a wacom tablet issue?
[01:56] <dotech>     Identifier     "Configured Mouse"
[01:56] <[Neurotic]> i think i'm going to have to limit myself to accessing it through remote desktop
[01:56] <reya276> this is my dmesg output: http://www.pastebin.org/29577
[01:57] <gerro> RAOF: I'm very puzzled as to why sound isn't working, I have support for internal/external/dock mic though now so its kinda funny
[01:57] <luddite> hi all
[01:57] <dotech> i didn't mean to paste that, not sure how i even did
[01:58] <RAOF> gerro: It may or may not be on by default.  I'm not sure.
[01:58] <gerro> RAOF: how do I check that? I just clicked the mixer on panel and checked all devices
[01:58] <RAOF> gerro: System->Preferences->Sound "enable software mixing".  If it's checked, you're using pulse.  If it's not, you're not using pulse.
[01:59] <gerro> like what about alsamixer how do I check there if things are muted?
[01:59] <ptn107> is there a more long-term solution to the missing menubars problem other than 'metacity --replace'??
[01:59] <RAOF> gerro: You may also want to run "asoundconf set-pulseaudio" to tell ALSA to use pulse by default, too.
[02:00] <gerro> done
[02:00] <luddite> pulse ausdio is fun
[02:00] <gerro> is there a reason firefox crashes anytime I go near a flash site?
[02:01] <RAOF> gerro: Because flash is crap.
[02:01] <luddite> question: if i install 8.04 beta on a pc then in 10 days when the release is here will my install be updated in synaptic?
[02:01] <gerro> RAOF: I'm installing flash from adobe again kk thx :P
[02:01] <RAOF> luddite: Yes.
[02:01] <crimsun> gerro: because you either don't have libflashsupport installed and/or are on x86_64?
[02:01] <RAOF> gerro: flashplugin-nonfree _is_ flash form adobe.
[02:02] <gerro> crimsun: got both those, its just horribly unstable like freezing up half the time
[02:02] <luddite> RAOF - so would you imagine that the upgrade will change the grub selection names? and will it be a huge update?
[02:02] <luddite> hi crimsum
[02:02] <crimsun> gerro: yeah, that's "just how Flash rolls"
[02:03] <gerro> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63128/
[02:03] <gerro> it is highly repeatable
[02:04] <RAOF> luddite: It's not going to change anything very much.  The release will be almost exactly what you get right now.
[02:05] <crimsun> gerro: ...that pastebin doesn't expose any useful debugging information, unfortunately
[02:05] <Nwallins> Hi, I've got a PowerNow mobo / cpu, but I'm having trouble with modprobe powernow-k8: FATAL: Error inserting powernow_k8 (/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko): No such device
[02:05] <gerro> crimsun: that's what it outputs when firefox dies
[02:05] <crimsun> gerro: my advice is to remove Flash completely.
[02:06] <gerro> Gtk:ERROR:(/build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.12.9/gtk/gtkplug.c:182):gtk_plug_set_is_child: assertion failed: (!GTK_WIDGET (plug)->parent) doesn't look like a flash error
[02:08] <crimsun> gerro: it doesn't look like /anything/
[02:08] <gerro> I could just download firefox and run it fine.. apparently only thing that's not rolled right
[02:09] <crimsun> start with installing the appropriate debug packages (for libgtk2.0, libxul, xulrunner-1.9, firefox-3.0, etc.)
[02:09] <crimsun> then read the wiki page for debugging Firefox crashes
[02:12] <Nwallins> regarding my powernow error, syslog says: powernow-k8: Power state transitions not supported
[02:12] <luddite> ROAF- thanks mate. Cheers very much. I just bought a laptop and vista is on it and it is so fucking slow . so im gonna ubuntu it tonight. i have another laptop thats identical and ubuntu was pre-installed on it and it boots in 30 secs and the vista one in 2 mins. everything is slow as hell -its terrible.
[02:12] <Nwallins> full line: Apr 13 17:59:56 chopper kernel: [   53.284793] powernow-k8: Power state transitions not supported
[02:14] <Nwallins> opteron 246 x 2 processors, tyan k8sre (s2891) mobo; hardy amd64 desktop
[02:17] <nohelphere> how do you login as root in Kubuntu hardy?
[02:17] <RAOF> nohelphere: Generally you don't.
[02:17] <nohelphere> ok...
[02:17] <RAOF> !sudo | nohelphere
[02:17] <ubotu> nohelphere: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[02:18] <nohelphere> i'm trying to install and run supybot
[02:18] <nohelphere> ok thx
[02:18] <nohelphere> didn't quite think of sudo...
[02:19] <DanaG> supybot?  What's that?
[02:19] <nohelphere> !supybot
[02:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about supybot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:19] <nohelphere> it's an irc bot
[02:19] <nohelphere> i don;t have permission to usr/bin...
[02:20] <nohelphere> what command changes permissions for a folder...
[02:21] <RAOF> nohelphere: You don't want to, really.
[02:21] <nohelphere> ok... then I wonder how I would install supybot
[02:22] <RAOF> nohelphere: Well, I'd recommend System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager.  Search for 'supybot', and install it.
[02:23] <nohelphere> i'm using Kubuntu
[02:23] <RAOF> Then replace Synaptic package manager with Adept
[02:23] <nohelphere> i already did that
[02:23] <nohelphere> but i have to run supybot-wizard
[02:23] <RAOF> Really?  Ok.
[02:24] <nohelphere> i get this message: Error opening messages logfile (logs/messages.log).  Generally, this is because you are running Supybot in a directory you don't have permissions to add files in, or you're running Supybot as a different user than you normal do.  The original error was: IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'logs/messages.log'
[02:24] <RAOF> Then you'll want to actually read the sudo documentation linked to from above.
[02:24] <DanaG> Bot as root?  Sounds like a bad idea to me.
[02:25] <RAOF> Indeed.
[02:25] <nohelphere> it just needs to create a file
[02:25] <DanaG> There's a package supybot; is that what you're using>
[02:26] <nohelphere> or a few
[02:26] <DanaG> Is that 'logs' in your home dir?
[02:26] <DanaG> Perhaps the permissions on it are wrong.
[02:26] <nohelphere> yes but then I need to runn supybot-wozard to create the config file and the file is running from /usr/bin
[02:26] <nohelphere> no in /usr.bin
[02:26] <nohelphere> /usr/bin
[02:27] <DanaG>  /usr/bin/log -- sounds odd or wrong to me.
[02:27] <RAOF> You're running it from the /usr/bin directory, aren't you?
[02:28] <nohelphere> yes you have to
[02:28] <RAOF> Why not try "cd ~ ; mkdir Temp ; cd Temp ; supybot-wizard", to change to your home directory, create a temporary directory, and run the wizard from there?
[02:28] <nohelphere> it installs there bu default
[02:28] <nohelphere> by*
[02:28] <nohelphere> and it says please doon't run this as root
[02:28] <nohelphere> literally
[02:29] <RAOF> Good, the programmer was sane.
[02:29] <DanaG> Try going to your ~ (home)
[02:29] <DanaG> Then run with that as current directory.
[02:29] <nohelphere> ot works
[02:35] <AmyRose> How do I get Rhythmbox to stop prompting me to install the codecs? I already installed them using that dialog, and I'm even listening to an MP3 file.
[02:36] <Killeroid> have you restarted rhythmbox after installing the codec?
[02:37] <AmyRose> Killeroid: Yes, numerous times
[02:37] <AmyRose> I installed it a couple of days ago
[02:38] <loufoque> AmyRose: kindly tell rhythmbox to stop bothering you
[02:38] <loufoque> if that doesn't succeed, use violence.
[02:38] <Killeroid> hehe, did you install the codecs manually?
[02:38] <Killeroid> nvm, you said you installed with the dialog
[02:39] <AmyRose> Yeah, I did.
[02:40] <Killeroid> hmm, have no idea why you are still getting the dialogs.
[02:45] <Black_Magic> Does anyone know how to Forward X?
[02:50] <gerro> when I run alsamixer I get this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63132/
[02:51] <gerro> that's either after running alsamixer as regular user or alsaconf
[03:07] <dotech> hmm evdev didn't help
[03:08] <dotech> i guess the mouse could be doing something strange even though it works in windows and mac os x
[03:12] <jdonmoyer> hello, I'm unable to see/mount any of my lvm volume groups after gutsy->hardy beta upgrade
[03:12] <jdonmoyer> anyone able to help?
[03:13] <lxuser> hey, i just upgraded and now i cant seem to get a higher resolution then 800x600
[03:13] <lxuser> also i reconfigured xorg, but i dont think i changed anything
[03:13] <lxuser> can someone tell me how to get my resolutions back?
[03:30] <gunashekar> broadcom wireless stopped working after upgrade. tried fresh install and it still does not work
[03:30] <Lycus> what is hardy's default burner
[03:31] <gunashekar> Lycus: Brasero i think
[03:31] <jf> w00t.
[03:31] <Lycus> gunashekar: that's it, thanks
[03:35] <randomperson83> is it just me, or is Launchpad really slow?
[03:36] <DarkMageZ> randomperson83, slow here as well.
[03:38] <randomperson83> indeed
[03:46] <gregcha117> so, my sound is busted on ubuntu, but it works fine on the livecd anyway i can take the sound information from the livecd and replace it on my current ubuntu install because i cant figure out why its not working
[03:51] <Jordan_U> gregcha117, Did this problem start with the recent kernel update?
[03:51]  * Jordan_U hates when that happens
[03:59] <sivel27> helo all
[04:00] <sivel27> so i apt installed the "nvidia-glx-new" river, and rebooted, but still im at low res. when i click the restricted driver button, nothing happens/comes up. is there any cmd i can issue to see if its even using this driver i installed?
[04:02] <ere4si> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf - will let you see what driver is used
[04:06] <sivel27> all it says is "configured Video Device" for section "Device"
[04:19] <amdma2003> hi, does anyone know if the new ubuntu 8.04 have better support for atheros wireless cards?
[04:19] <IndyGunFreak> amdma2003: i started to tell you in #ubuntu, but my atheros card works fine in Gutsy, but i couldn't get it to work w/ the Hardy beta... which atheros do you have?
[04:19] <amdma2003> i think i have the atheros 5006
[04:19] <cyclonut> amdma2003: hardy tries to have better support, but it is broken
[04:20] <IndyGunFreak> amdma2003: open a terminal and lspci to see what your device is
[04:20] <amdma2003> im using windows now
[04:20] <amdma2003> going to wait 11 days for it
[04:20] <amdma2003> i have the Atheros AR5006EGS
[04:21] <amdma2003> i know that madwifi supports it
[04:21] <IndyGunFreak> hm, mine is AR5006EG, and madwifi works fine w/ it
[04:21] <amdma2003> but does hardy includes it in the installation
[04:21] <IndyGunFreak> i don't think so.
[04:21] <cyclonut> no, networkmanager is the default.
[04:21] <amdma2003> so you have to install it from synaptics?
[04:22] <IndyGunFreak> or from source, yes
[04:22] <amdma2003> alright thanks
[04:22] <amdma2003> i just downloaded hardy
[04:22] <amdma2003> and im going to go do a dual boot installation
[04:22] <IndyGunFreak> amdma2003: what make/model computer?
[04:22] <amdma2003> Sony Vaio VGN-NR110E
[04:22] <IndyGunFreak> hmm ok
[04:23] <amdma2003> oh also
[04:23] <amdma2003> i also had trouble with 7.04 with the sound
[04:23] <amdma2003> it works
[04:23] <amdma2003> but the sound from different applications does not mix
[04:24] <amdma2003> for example, when im using firefox with sound
[04:24] <amdma2003> playing sound from VLC does not work
[04:24] <amdma2003> is there another mixer i should use?
[04:24] <IndyGunFreak> amdma2003: i really don't know, i know w/ 7.10, there was a lot of issues w/ Intel HDA devices
[04:27] <amdma2003> ok, thanks for your help
[04:27] <amdma2003> ill look around on the internet
[04:30] <Lycus> I have a working ubuntu install and can apt-get etc. but I get unable to initialize frontend: Dialog errors from debconf when apt-get using
[04:30] <Lycus> how can I install the ubuntu server base, or whatever, via apt-get?
[04:32] <Lycus> ubuntu-standard?
[04:40] <Bigcheese> I'm running the development version of Kubuntu Hardy and a recent update broke kopete. Now when I try to connect to any of my IMs nothing happens. It is as if the connect code was replaced with a call to do_nothing();.
[04:53] <dotech> is there a way to create a toolbar shortcut that opens the application on a specific monitor?
[04:53] <dotech> if i click the firefox shortcut i want it to open on the center monitor instead of the left monitor
[04:54] <Ashex> anyone having kopete continue to flash after clicking on the window?
[05:02] <Ashex> As soon as I get off my lazy butt, I'm making a hungry hungry hippo login screen
[05:03] <Ashex> if possible, logging screen will be the hippos shooting the balls
[05:13] <djik> hello... does hardy install from windows but onto an xfs partition?
[05:17] <RAOF> djik: I suppose you could, if you wanted to, although I'm not sure why you'd want to.  Wubi - the windows installer - installs into a file on the Windows partition, so the choice of filesystem inside that file isn't particularly critical :)
[05:17] <djik> ah
[05:18] <djik> then i must have misunderstood what wubi does
[05:19] <randomperson83> so... when apt-get upgrade says its "holding back packages", any thoughts on how to tell it to NOT do that?
[05:20] <cpk1> randomperson83: use dist-upgrade?
[05:20] <randomperson83> ah
[05:21] <randomperson83> it should say that :-p
[05:22] <cpk1> it does in the man
[05:22] <randomperson83> doh!
[05:22] <JohnPhys> I usually trust apt to be smarter than me when it comes to package management
[05:22] <randomperson83> no way, if im gonna use a beta, i want it to bleed
[05:22] <randomperson83> things *should* break
[05:23] <randomperson83> :p
[05:23] <djik> I trust no one when it comes to package management
[05:23] <cpk1> the reason why you need to do dist is because safe-upgrade (or upgrade) wont remove packages if it needs to but dist-upgrade is a little more forceful
[05:23] <randomperson83> im actually quite disappointed with hardy, there haven't been a lot of bugs (for me)
[05:24] <JohnPhys> randomperson83:  that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard
[05:24] <randomperson83> :D
[05:24] <Tirams> As long as I keep installing the updates, will Gutsy automatically update to the next stable version when it is released?
[05:24] <randomperson83> tongue mostly in cheek
[05:25] <cpk1> Tirams: no, there will be a guide to upgrade to hardy
[05:25] <JohnPhys> Tirams:  The update-manager should tell you there's a new version out, and give you the opportunity to upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy
[05:25] <Tirams> oh i'm sorry
[05:25] <Tirams> i meant hardy
[05:25] <Tirams> i'm using the beta right now
[05:25] <Tirams> but i'm considering downgrading to Gutsy because of some issues
[05:26] <cpk1> then yes, keep updating and you will be using the same as everyone else
[05:26] <Tirams> thanks
[05:27] <randomperson83> cpk1: that is in the process of working, tnx
[05:27] <randomperson83> still, it should have some msg in the msg
[05:28] <cpk1> I guess if you are going to be using the cli instead of the gui they expect some basic knowledge =)
[05:28] <randomperson83> fair enough
[05:28] <randomperson83> im not used to ubuntu quite yet, coming from gentoo :)
[05:29] <djik> what version of gcc ships with hardy?
[05:29] <djik> or will...
[05:29] <randomperson83> 4.3.2
[05:29] <randomperson83> is what i have
[05:29] <cpk1> gcc (GCC) 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 4.2.3-2ubuntu7) is what I have right now
[05:29] <djik> oh. nice!
[05:29] <djik> hmm
[05:29] <djik> 4.3.2 or 4.2.3?
[05:29] <randomperson83> er
[05:29] <randomperson83> im wrong
[05:29] <djik> aha
[05:29] <LibertyShadow> 4.2.3
[05:30] <djik> i was hoping for a 4.3 :-\
[05:30] <randomperson83> transposed the numbers :)
[05:30] <djik> oh well
[05:30] <randomperson83> gcc -v
[05:30] <mheath> A minor version shouldn't make that big of a difference, anyway.
[05:31] <djik> i hear they have some interesting improvements in their openmp implementation
[05:31] <djik> i write computer vision code, so for me that'd be something to look forward to
[05:31] <randomperson83> you can always install your own :p
[05:32] <mheath> randomperson83: Thats a very non-trivial thing, to do right.
[05:33] <randomperson83> mheath: nah
[05:33] <randomperson83> oh
[05:33] <randomperson83> to do right
[05:34] <mheath> randomperson83: With what he was asking about, you'd need to compile the entire toolchain.
[05:34] <randomperson83> and?
[05:34] <mheath> randomperson83: Correctly compiling a toolchain that is usable but seperate from the default on the system is not a trivial task.
[05:35] <djik> i installed it using darwinports
[05:35] <djik> but that's on macosx
[05:35] <randomperson83> *shrugs* i haven't done it for gcc 4.x, but 3.x was pretty easy... granted, it was for cross compiling
[05:36] <mheath> randomperson83: gcc != complete toolchain.
[05:37] <djik> i assume that objects compiled by gcc 4.3 can be successfully linked with 4.2 libs -- maybe i am wrong
[05:37] <randomperson83> that was my thought
[05:38] <randomperson83> you wouldn't need to redo make, binutils, etc
[05:38] <randomperson83> or glib
[05:38] <randomperson83> for his purposes
[05:38] <RAOF> djik: If you want gcc 4.3, install the gcc-4.3 package :)
[05:38] <djik> oh
[05:39] <djik> if it exists already, then it's excellent :)
[05:39] <djik> i've been meaning to try hardy for a while, and now i have an excuse :)
[05:40] <mheath> randomperson83: "make, binutils, etc" != toolchain either.
[05:40] <randomperson83> mheath: definition?
[05:41] <mheath> erm, well, binutils would be included.
[05:41] <mheath> Binutils, GCC, GNU lib c
[05:42] <randomperson83> mheath: i wouldn't say its trivial.. but i wouldn't say it was non-trivial
[05:43] <randomperson83> :-p
[05:43] <RAOF> randomperson83: Ah, I see you're a fan of non-boolean logic :P
[05:43] <mheath> randomperson83: If done correctly, it's a two phase operation.
[05:43] <randomperson83> yes yes
[05:43] <randomperson83> into quantum computing, am i
[05:43] <randomperson83> :p
[05:44] <randomperson83> lots of entanglement
[05:44] <mheath> randomperson83: You have to compile the compiler, then compile libc, then compile the compiler with the resulting compiler.
[05:44] <djik> fuzzy logic :)
[05:44] <RAOF> Heh, sorry.  gcc-snapshot is what you're after.
[05:47] <mheath> and, another nitpicking detail: while my knowledge of the subject IS limited, don't most quantum computing algorithms still organize the data in a boolean manner?
[05:48] <randomperson83> mheath: they can have multiple states also, from my limited understanding
[05:49] <randomperson83> In other words, a qubit can exist as a zero, a one, or simultaneously as both 0 and 1, ...
[05:49] <randomperson83> quoting from: http://www.cs.caltech.edu/~westside/quantum-intro.html
[05:52] <randomperson83> but despite this huge tangent from the topic... i think we can all agree that it is generally best to avoid rebuilding your toolchain, because it can take quite awhile
[05:54] <djik> i was once young and stupid and i did install gentoo on my desktop...it took >3 days
[05:55] <randomperson83> the idea of gentoo is awesome. but then you realize if you want to install simple programs it takes longer than a minute to do
[05:55] <randomperson83> gets old :(
[05:56] <randomperson83> thus.. why i am here
[05:57] <djik> darwinports makes me feel i am using gentoo again, but instead i am using macosx :)
[06:01] <Nwallins> when I set up static ip, instead of "roaming", i need to ifup eth0 manually
[06:02] <Nwallins> i am not used to the "roaming" setting
[06:02] <JohnPhys> Bug #185854
[06:02] <Nwallins> static and dhcp correspond to /etc/network/interfaces as expected
[06:02] <Nwallins> ok
[06:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185854 in gnome-system-tools "Setting static IP in Network Settings doesn't produce correct data" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185854
[06:03] <Nwallins> ok, just need auto eth0
[06:03] <JohnPhys> Nwallins: basically, add "auto eth0" (or the correct network interface instead of eth0) to /etc/network/interfaces, and it should work
[06:04] <Nwallins> how useful is the systray applet?
[06:04] <Nwallins> the network one
[06:05] <Nwallins> i am fine with just using /etc/network/interfaces
[06:06] <JohnPhys> Nwallins:  I've found it useful for adding wireless networks and such, even ones with WPA encryption
[06:07] <Nwallins> ok, sure.  I'll leave it alone with the auto addition  :)
[06:07] <JohnPhys> the "adding auto eth0" bug doesn't seem to be in gutsy, so my static ip on my gutsy install works just fine
[06:07] <Nwallins> not a big deal, i'm sure it will be remedied
[06:07] <JohnPhys> I don't do a lot of complex network stuff though, just wanted static ip for torrents and such
[06:07] <Nwallins> yep, :)
[06:07] <DanaG> Has anybody else been having issues with VirtualBox grabbing keyboard and mouse, and then refusing to let go?
[06:07] <JohnPhys> such as the hardy and gutsy torrents I'm seeding right now :)
[06:08] <DanaG> ... and host key doesn't work for anything whatsoever.
[06:08] <Nwallins> <-- PlaneShift
[06:08] <luddite> hi
[06:09] <luddite> if i have a new laptop with vista on it and i use the livecd beta and it works then i can install from that cant i?
[06:10] <Nwallins> yes -- you may want to preserve or pass along the vista license / software
[06:10] <luddite> ?
[06:10] <luddite> whats that mean
[06:10] <Nwallins> presumably, you have a vista license to go with the software
[06:10] <ethana2> somebody may think it's worth something
[06:11] <ethana2> don't kill it
[06:11] <luddite> oh yeah - its still in the cling wrap
[06:11] <Nwallins> ok, if you have the install discs and everything -- go for it :D
[06:11] <luddite> well i have a lapto identical to it with ubuntu on it and it flies
[06:12] <luddite> 4 times faster with everything
[06:12] <luddite> but this is my mates
[06:12] <Nwallins> i have done about 10 installs on the hardy beta x64 desktop livecd
[06:12] <Nwallins> burned about 10 days ago
[06:12] <luddite> great
[06:12] <luddite> daily build?
[06:12] <Nwallins> one build
[06:12] <luddite> current build?
[06:13] <luddite> i might get http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily-live/20080413/
[06:13] <Nwallins> off the main site -- nothing special -- but each install there is longer list of updates :)
[06:13] <luddite> ?
[06:13] <luddite> im lost
[06:13] <luddite> the daily build should be the least yeah?
[06:13] <x3cion> Good morning, everytime I plug in my USB device (or restart the computer), Ubuntu creates a new folder "disk-x" which stays. Is it just me? :|
[06:14] <luddite> yes
[06:14] <luddite> mine is fine
[06:14] <luddite> disk-1
[06:14] <luddite> then re-uses that
[06:14] <x3cion> well, im at disk-6 now =D
[06:14] <luddite> bummer
[06:14] <luddite> try editing your disk file
[06:15] <luddite> and make it perm
[06:15] <DanaG> Huh?  That doesn't even make sense.
[06:16] <DanaG> Try unmounting the volume, and then go in console and look in /media
[06:16] <luddite> j
[06:16] <luddite> sorry
[06:16] <DanaG> Remove with rm -rfiv any of the duplicates.
[06:16] <luddite> edit /etc/fstab
[06:16] <luddite> and add your mount command directly in there for that disk
[06:17] <DanaG> USB device == don't use fstab.
[06:17] <DanaG> rm with ﻿'i' for interactive to make sure you don't remove anything you shouldn't/
[06:18] <J-_> Is there any problems with anyone elses brightness lowering once in a while with these new updates?
[06:20] <x3cion> I had no other device than my usb stick rm -R disk* did it too
[06:20] <x3cion> ... i hope so o.O
[06:20] <Lynoure> I haven't noticed, but it brightness sensor that has always happened to me :)
[06:22] <luddite> J-_ yes
[06:22] <luddite> i dont know why though- its just a simple ALT & + to raise it to desired level again
[06:23] <J-_> luddite: K, cool. Glad it's not my laptop going. =) It's new, with Hardy on it. Don't need it to not work ever again. :|
[06:33] <maek> anyone know if Hardy has a updated version of Compiz ??
[06:34] <maek> or is it the same version thats in Gusty ??
[06:34] <RAOF> Yes, it's updated.
[06:34] <RAOF> Like practically every other package of Hardy :)
[06:36] <maek> oh cheers RAOF
[06:37] <maek> I can't wait for Hardy ... 10 days to go
[07:14] <lachlan_> i have found hardy too buggy for me does anybody know a way to backup my data so i can do a clean install or a way to revert to gutsy?
[07:15] <lachlan_> good backup tool so i can backup all my data to dvd would also be nice
[07:15] <Jordan_U> !home | lachlan_
[07:15] <ubotu> lachlan_: Your home folder is where all of your personal files are usually kept. For mounting your home folder on a separate partition, please see: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[07:16] <lachlan_> umm i cant surf the web atm (its one of the bugs i have encountered do you know of a good program?
[07:17] <lachlan_> i think its called sbacup or something
[07:18] <Joe_CoT> hey, i upgraded to hardy, and something's weird about my display -- dedraw is very slow. is there any way to determine the video driver i'm currently using? And no, i don't mean in the xorg.conf. I need to see if it's loading a different driver than it's supposed to
[07:19] <Lynoure> Joe_CoT: /var/log/xorg.log could tell it
[07:20] <RAOF> Joe_CoT: The magic incantation you're after is "grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[07:21] <Joe_CoT> is this part of the new detection system? it loads intel, fbdev, vesa, and vga, and then unloads all but intel
[07:22] <RAOF> Hm.  That's not what I've seen in the past, but I have to specify my driver in xorg.conf (nvidia or nouveau, neither are autoloaded).
[07:23] <Lynoure> could be part of the bulletproof(?) xorg thing. (Dunno much about that, it not being there for Kubuntu)
[07:23] <Joe_CoT> well, it's been rather weird. in gutsy, i could plug in my second monitor (this is a laptop), and it would automatically clone the screen. now it wouldn't detect it at all.
[07:24] <Joe_CoT> if i removed my xorg.conf, i could use the second screen, but it feels like the driver's behavior has changed. and everything's acting very slow
[07:24] <RAOF> Joe_CoT: what does 'xrandr' report; does running 'xrandr --auto' turn on your projector?
[07:27] <Joe_CoT> it seems to be reporting fine, now that i've removed my xorg.conf . but i have two strange behaviors
[07:28] <Joe_CoT> first, the screen resolution utility will allow me to set the monitors as not cloned, and have the second extend the other, at a lower resolution. but when I actually tell it to do so, they're cloned, both at the lower resolution
[07:28] <Joe_CoT> second, usually, when i run the laptop screen at lower than native resolution, it only uses that portion of the screen (ie i'll have a little 640x480 box). now it's stretching it to the whole screen
[07:30] <RAOF> Right, so the second seems to be the expected behaviour (scaling the image to the whole panel).
[07:31] <RAOF> You can probably change this by playing with the xrandr tool; it's likely there's a scaling mode option somewhere.
[07:32] <Joe_CoT> maybe
[07:32] <Joe_CoT> still don't understand why things are so much slower than usual
[07:32] <Joe_CoT> there's a tiling effect when drawing a new window. videos drop more frames
[07:32] <RAOF> For the first... Oh, that's probably due to X braindeadness.  You can't change the maximum total resolution after X has started; if you start with just one screen, that's the maximum total resolution X will allow.
[07:32] <karmelek> hello!
[07:32] <RAOF> !xrandr12
[07:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xrandr12 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:33] <RAOF> !randr12
[07:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about randr12 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:33] <Joe_CoT> ah, so i have to do that virtual desktop thing. that's fine
[07:33] <Joe_CoT> main issue is the speed drop
[07:33] <jf> Vi snörre söret.
[07:33] <bazhang> swedish jf?
[07:33] <RAOF> Joe_CoT: Basically you want to add a Virtual line to xorg.conf.  Note that you'll lose compiz if your virtual line includes a number >= 2048
[07:33] <jf> You must snöre sröret.
[07:33] <karmelek> I have got problem witha alsamixer and volume regulation - when I try to run it, it returns
[07:33] <karmelek> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[07:33] <Jordan_U> Joe_CoT, Are you sure that X is using the correct drivers?
[07:34] <RAOF> Joe_CoT: (Your hardware sucks)
[07:34] <Joe_CoT> it's using the intel driver
[07:34] <bazhang> sorry jf here is english only
[07:34] <RAOF> Or maybe it's the driver, I forget which :)
[07:34] <jf> http://www.apansson.se/~ahman/mort.jpg
[07:34] <Joe_CoT> RAOF, it didn't suck as of two days ago
[07:34] <jf> Fört säljes!
[07:34] <karmelek> could anybody help me with my sound?
[07:34] <bazhang> !se | jf
[07:34] <ubotu> jf: Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[07:34] <RAOF> Joe_CoT: That was for compiz; you didn't have compiz on a dual-screen setup :)
[07:35] <jf> Vi älsker er alle.
[07:35] <jf> Mört sälger.
[07:35] <Joe_CoT> RAOF, desktop effects is set to none
[07:35] <RAOF> Joe_CoT: So, the slowness suggests an X acceleration issue.  You don't currently have an xorg.conf, right?
[07:35] <bazhang> jf please /j #ubuntu-se
[07:35] <jf> http://www.apansson.se/~ahman/mort.jpg
[07:35] <Joe_CoT> nope
[07:35] <Lynoure> bazhang: it's not support he wants... it's just noise
[07:35] <Jordan_U> Joe_CoT, What is the output of "glxinfo | grep direct" ?
[07:36] <bazhang> Lynoure: indeed I guessed that--just trying to be polite ;]
[07:36] <Joe_CoT> direct rendering: Yes
[07:36] <RAOF> Joe_CoT: So, we should be setting EXA with greedy migration herustic.  Care to grep Xorg.0.log for both of those? :)
[07:36] <Joe_CoT> (WW) intel(0): EXA greedy migration mode enabled. \ (II) EXA(0): Forcing greedy migration option
[07:37] <RAOF> Oh.  That means it _should_ be (reasonably) fast for you.
[07:38] <jscinoz> hmm
[07:38] <jscinoz> is it just me or is the daap sharing plugin in rhythmbox broken?
[07:39] <jscinoz> My brother is trying to listen to music shared via that plugin (he's using itunes on windows) and every track is horribly garbled for him (but they play fine locally)
[07:39] <Jordan_U> jscinoz, Are you trying to use it with itunes?
[07:39] <Joe_CoT> RAOF, i get 150 fps at full screen glxgears, which should be good enough (was good enough for my friend at the lan yesterday). but that doesn't explain the curtain effect when i switch windows
[07:39] <jscinoz> yeah the person connecting to the rhythmbox share is using itunes?
[07:39] <jscinoz> known bug eh?
[07:39] <jscinoz> or itunes being retarded as normal?
[07:40] <Jordan_U> jscinoz, Apple added some sort of extra undocumented stuff to recent versions of itunes, it should work in older versions
[07:40] <jscinoz> oh
[07:40] <jscinoz> also
[07:40] <RAOF> Joe_CoT: Yeah.  We're talking about different things - EXA is 2d acceleration so is entirely orthogonal to any glxgears score (which is _not a benchmark!_) you may get.
[07:40] <jscinoz> is the dlna/upnp plugin broken
[07:40] <jscinoz> gives an error when you try to enable it
[07:40] <Joe_CoT> RAOF, ok, so that explains the incongruity. So it's EXA that's down the toilet
[07:41] <RAOF> Jordan_U: That's the wrong way around.  You can't use itunes daap shares with anything but itunes, but itunes should be able to use other DAAP shares.
[07:41] <RAOF> Joe_CoT: What chip is this?
[07:42] <Jordan_U> RAOF, Ahh, see RAOF's comment jscinoz
[07:42] <jscinoz> RAOF, are there any open source, linux compatible light weight (<500mb) opengl benchmarks?
[07:43] <jscinoz> Jordan_U, i saw, i'm going to go boot my other ubuntu box and see if its rhythmbox can get it
[07:43] <RAOF> jscinoz: I quite like OpenArena :)
[07:43] <Joe_CoT> RAOF, found the bug that i think is related: LP #177492
[07:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177492
[07:44] <RAOF> jscinoz: That's somewhat of a benchmark; but I don't know of just-a-benchmark program, no.
[07:45] <RAOF> Joe_CoT: Yeah; but those people found good performance with EXA and 'greedy' migration herustic, which is what you've got.
[07:45] <Joe_CoT> oh, hmm
[07:46] <lachlan_> well i have learnt not to upgrade to a un realesed version of ubuntu
[07:46] <lachlan_> i think i have broken my PC
[07:46] <Lynoure> lachlan_: the hardware? How?
[07:47] <ATOMBOMBIIV> Is it possible to set google earth install path to .google-earth ?
[07:47] <jscinoz> Raof, thanks
[07:47] <jscinoz> hmm
[07:47] <lachlan_> well now when i restart my pc the bios screen does not show
[07:47] <ATOMBOMBIIV> or does it need to be google-earth because its just one file?
[07:47] <jscinoz> looks like an itunes bug, itunes on windows can't access daap shares on either hardy rhythmbox or gutsy rhythmbox
[07:47] <jscinoz> it can see the tracks and read id3, but playing them is garbled >_<
[07:48] <jscinoz> beyond recognition >_<
[07:48] <lachlan_> and thats not good as i now want to wipe hardy as everytime i load hardy something elses goes wrong
[07:48] <Joe_CoT> RAOF, intel gma 950. This is the laptop: http://tinyurl.com/5ad5al
[07:49] <Lynoure> lachlan_: I don't think it's likely for Ubuntu install to damage the bios. Could be just a coincidence.
[07:49] <ATOMBOMBIIV> Whoah that almost costs as much as a mac :/
[07:49] <lachlan_> im hoping by making an archive of my /home folder i will be able to make a backup of my data and try and install gusty or something else
[07:50] <RAOF> ATOMBOMBIIV: By "almost as expensive" I think you mean "more expensive" :)
[07:50] <lachlan_> Lynoure a very strange coincidence. seeing that since it started happeneing ubuntu has also limited my screen res to 640x480
[07:52] <ATOMBOMBIIV> ROAF I meant MBP's
[07:52] <Lynoure> lachlan_: well, it's completely doable for Ubuntu to reduce the resolution within itself
[07:52] <ATOMBOMBIIV> Price "Starts" at 2,500
[07:52] <ATOMBOMBIIV> Notice i said "Starts"
[07:52] <ATOMBOMBIIV> :D
[07:52] <lachlan_> also will it cause damage if i make an archive of my user folder if i am logged in as that user?
[07:53] <Lynoure> lachlan_: that's an ok way to do the backup.
[07:54] <Joe_CoT> RAOF, sorry, amazon lies. it's an 945 GM Express
[07:54] <jscinoz> Is the "DLNA/UPnP sharing and control support" plugin for Rhythmbox broken? When i try to enable it it says "Unable to activate plugin LNA/UPnP sharing and control support"
[07:55] <RAOF> ATOMBOMBIIV: Ah.  I was comparing to the MB, which has similar specs :)
[07:57] <lachlan_> lol its amazing the whole time i was downloading the hardy update i wasnt sure if i should be doing it. low and behold i do the upgrade and all hell breaks loose
[07:57] <ATOMBOMBIIV> lachlan_: Remeber ALWAYS follow your gut :D
[07:57] <Lynoure> lachlan_: the rule of thumb with not yet released software is that if you are unsure, don't do it
[07:58] <Joe_CoT> RAOF, I'm going to try dpkg-reconfiguring like people are suggesting, and adding that env variable, and seeing if that resolves it. if not, i'll play with some of those greedy settings. Thanks for all your help
[07:58] <Lynoure> lachlan_: but, if you want to be wildly useful, you could see if you can fix the bios somehow, then see if the problem repeats, and report it.
[07:59] <lachlan_> yeah i know but when i was trying the fiesty alpha a year ago it worked perfectly so i thought hardy beta so close to release would be fine
[07:59] <lachlan_> Lynoure i would report the problems but FF crashes when ever it tries to load a webpage
[07:59] <RAOF> Joe_CoT: The env setting is, AFAIK, limited to 3d only.
[08:00] <Lynoure> lachlan_: If you manage to repeat the problem, I can act as your proxy for reporting, as it then will be a tremendeusly important thing to report
[08:01] <lachlan_> well with the bios and screen res thing i have no idea i was just just hitting the restart button after a FF crash froze my PC
[08:02] <lachlan_> i could possibly help with my FF worry
[08:02] <lachlan_> as loading FF will as a garantee freeze my whole system
[08:03] <RAdams> ﻿Has anyone here see sound-juicer forget your format profiles? I can't access any mp3 profiles, and if I make a new one, it isn't selectable as an "output format" even after I check the "active" box
[08:04] <WGGMk> Has anyone else tried to install AWN + the extra applets? Are the extra's not available anymore?
[08:06] <RAOF> WGGMk: The extra applets have never been available, in the official repositories at least.
[08:06] <RAOF> WGGMk: The AWN-core team have a PPA which they publish packages in.
[08:06] <WGGMk> RAOF: PPA? I trying to install them from their launchpad repository.. and its saying the package isnt found
[08:07] <WGGMk> RAOF: but like 3 days ago they were
[08:07] <WGGMk> RAOF: curious if anyone else ran into this problem
[08:07] <RAOF> Ah.  This is a problem you should bring up on one of their channels :)
[08:08] <pwuertz> I'm confused.. using nautilus, I shared some directories using smb... everything works perfectly, but the shares are not configured via /etc/samba/smb.conf... is there an alternative file for configuring smb in ubuntu?
[08:08] <WGGMk> do they have a channel?
[08:08] <Fritzel> what package do I want to install to install the nvidia drivers correctly, I am using a current card
[08:08] <Fritzel> nvidia-glx-new right?
[08:09] <WGGMk> Fritzel: ubuntu should pick it up and install it for you
[08:09] <Fritzel> yes I'm already up and running though
[08:09] <Fritzel> so which package would that be
[08:10] <WGGMk> im confused. if your up & running why would you need to install the drivers again?
[08:10] <WGGMk> or is this just for curiousity
[08:11] <WGGMk> RAOF: do you know off hand if AWN has an IRC channel?
[08:14] <WGGMk> Fritzel: the nvidia-glx-new package is the package I have installed from jockey-gtk
[08:14] <JaccoH> good morning :)
[08:14] <Fritzel> how do I release the lock on the package database or whatever it is, Adept crashed and I can't open it up
[08:15] <JaccoH> any Xen users here?
[08:16] <Joe_CoT> RAOF, somewhere between adding those three options and adding that environmental variable, the speed problem's gone
[08:17] <RAOF> Joe_CoT: Which options?
[08:18] <Joe_CoT> RAOF, Option "AccelMethod" "exa" \ Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy" \ Option "ExaNoComposite" "true"
[08:18] <JaccoH> no one? :)
[08:19] <Joe_CoT> given at least exa and migrationheuristic were on already, i think the env variable does have an effect
[08:19] <Lynoure> JaccoH: kinda Xen user, kinda not... ask your real question?
[08:20] <JaccoH> well after the last kernel upgrade the only problem left for me is that networking on DomUs arent working... it works if i run the domu with the older 2.6.22 kernel
[08:21] <tanner> JaccoH: your best bet for support on a specific technology is asking in the channel for that program, i.e: #xen
[08:21] <JaccoH> so i was just curious if any managed to get the networking working on the DomUs
[08:21] <JaccoH> tanner its not an Xen issue
[08:21] <JaccoH> fedora/suse works fine... more over xen is delivered in the standard reps pof ubuntu.. so....
[08:22] <RAOF> Joe_CoT: Ah, right.  The nocomposite might be doing it, too.
[08:22] <JaccoH> im just hoping to contribute to Ubuntu Hardy getting Xen working out of the box :D
[08:23] <Jordan_U> JaccoH, Have you filed a bug report?
[08:24] <JaccoH> Jordan there is already a bug report open for this
[08:24] <JaccoH> just wondered if someone managed to find a way around it
[08:25] <JaccoH> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-3.2/+bug/204010 :)
[08:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204010 in xen-3.2 "networking not working" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:25] <JaccoH> thank you ubotu :D
[08:26] <SeveredCross> ubotu is awesome.
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is awesome. - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <JaccoH> one guy found a work around :) lol.. using the fedora kernel in ubuntu :) not gonna do that :)
[08:27] <tanner> JaccoH: no VT or similar technology?
[08:28] <JaccoH> the server has VT.. ofcourse
[08:29] <Fritzel> ok what would cause X to startup with the nv driver, but not the nvidia driver, besides the driver being bad since I'm sure someone else here is using the latest driver
[08:30] <ATOMBOMBIIV> My panel has disappeard!
[08:30] <ATOMBOMBIIV> but im mysteriously able to click invisible launchers 0.o
[08:30] <ATOMBOMBIIV> Is there a way to fix this
[08:30] <Fritzel> does it blink when you move your mouse over top of it?
[08:30] <ATOMBOMBIIV> nope
[08:30] <ATOMBOMBIIV> ]
[08:30] <GhotiPhud> hello
[08:31] <Fritzel> eh, either way it sounds like what I had before I tried to fix it
[08:31] <ATOMBOMBIIV> i even tried killall gnome-panel
[08:31] <Fritzel> nevermind heh I'm on kde4
[08:31] <GhotiPhud> can anyone tell me why I've been stuck with the Not all updates can be installed message for like a week?
[08:32] <Jordan_U> GhotiPhud, Did you try letting update-manager do a dist-upgrade ?
[08:32] <GhotiPhud> I'll try it
[08:33] <GhotiPhud> I was kind of afraid to, because last time this happened, about a month ago I had to format and reinstall
[08:33] <GhotiPhud> couldn't get anything working afterward
[08:34] <Jordan_U> GhotiPhud, This is normal for development releases, as is massive breakage :)
[08:34] <GhotiPhud> weird... when I dist-upgrade it shows 108 packages
[08:34] <GhotiPhud> I think update-manager was telling me that 9 weren't available
[08:35] <GhotiPhud> and it said 99 were
[08:35] <GhotiPhud> so I guess they were there after all
[08:35] <RAOF> ATOMBOMBIIV: Make compiz do some transformation; that'll fix it.
[08:38] <ATOMBOMBIIV> ROAF ATM  i have gnome's Compositor enabled...
[08:38] <jscinoz> is ~/.profile read by the gdm login as well?
[08:40] <Fritzel> hmm kernel modules are required for nvidia restricted drivers correct?
[08:42] <orvokki> GhotiPhud: Most likely not available due to temporary dependency conflict issues.
[08:43] <GhotiPhud> it looks like it found all the packages now
[08:44] <GhotiPhud> I think it might be a bug in update-manager
[08:44] <GhotiPhud> I'll check again after this finishes
[08:45] <GhotiPhud> definitely something wrong
[08:46] <GhotiPhud> it didn't recognize packages that were available for upgrade, thought they were missing
[08:49] <whitehawk> hi
[08:52] <PodMan99a> hey all i have to boot into 2.6.22-14-generic otherwise the kernel puts me in to busy box where i can do nothing so using very outdated kernel at the moment... any ideas?
[08:54] <pheld> does anyone have a working bluetooth headset on hardy? Trying to determine if any headset can work without the patch in http://lkml.org/lkml/diff/2008/2/25/530/1, and if so which type(s). 2nd issue is to find out if the new bt-audio implementation actually is useable yet.
[09:01] <Fritzel> PodMan99a: is it getting stuck halfway through the boot?
[09:02] <PodMan99a> yea... the bar knight riders accross... and when it should start to grow accross from the left to right it keeps knight ridering
[09:02] <Fritzel> PodMan99a: ok do this, "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and get back to me
[09:03] <wangfg> how to config wlan, my card is broadcom 43xx
[09:03] <PodMan99a> 0 upgrades availiable
[09:03] <Fritzel> hmm
[09:03] <Fritzel> one sec
[09:04] <PodMan99a> i have about 6 kernels installed but I can only use the Ubuntu 7.10 kernel none of the hardy ones works
[09:04] <Fritzel> did you refresh your sources lately?
[09:04] <PodMan99a> apt-get update... yea each boot
[09:04] <Fritzel> -nod- hmm I'm not sure then, the reason I suggested that is there was a kernel booting problem a few days ago one sec I gotta remember which package it was
[09:05] <PodMan99a> can i turn off the boot image to see where it fails?
[09:05] <orvokki> PodMan99a: How do the Hardy ones crash for you?
[09:05] <PodMan99a> just boot into busy box
[09:06] <Fritzel> yeah booting into recovery mode will show you what its doing
[09:06] <PodMan99a> k ... ill brb then get some more info... thanks
[09:07] <Fritzel> ah it was the modules
[09:10] <tomahasamoot> every time I try to switch VT's the loggin crashes, this happens with the hot key (ctrl+alt+FX) and with the "switch user" on the K-menu
[09:11] <PodMan99a> ok just making a paste for paste bin... one sec
[09:11] <tomahasamoot> a few seconds after switching it switches back, showing the nVidia banner, then KDM
[09:13] <Fritzel> tomahasamoot: this is a hunch and a longshot , but check to see if your backspace key is stuck
[09:13] <PodMan99a> Fritzel, http://pastebin.com/meb1033b
[09:14] <tomahasamoot> Fritzel: no, good guess tho (ctrl+alt+backspace) would do it
[09:15] <Fritzel> PodMan99a: that's slightly above my head, but seeing the usb in there, do you have any unusual USB devices that might not be supported?
[09:15] <PodMan99a> Fritzel, usb plantronics headset and logitec wireless mouse reciever
[09:16] <rohan> why is ubuntu 8.04 shipping with such an old version of eclipse? 3.3 was released before even ubuntu 7.10 was released (if i'm not mistaken)
[09:16] <rohan> is it because eclipse 3.3 is unstable or so?
[09:17] <Lynoure> rohan: if it is considered unstable, that might explain it
[09:17] <whitehawk> brb
[09:18] <rohan> Lynoure: that's what i was wondering
[09:18] <rohan> but fedora 8 had included it
[09:18] <PodMan99a> is this a good thing::    UUID=c0197a87-585d-4185-87a1-8e0ade82d1b4 /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[09:18] <PodMan99a> from my fstab
[09:19] <Fritzel> I've got a few of them like that
[09:19] <PodMan99a> Fritzel, so thats not gonna harm it then
[09:19] <Fritzel> I don't see how
[09:20] <topyli> rohan: no maintainer or lazy maintainer, or maintainer is happy with current version, or new version is too buggy even if the fedora maintainer likes it... many possible reasons
[09:20] <PodMan99a> sorry peeps ... the kernel i boot to is hardy ::  Ubuntu hardy (development branch), kernel 2.6.22-14-generic
[09:20] <topyli> rohan: whoever maintains the package will know
[09:20] <PodMan99a> none of the 2.6.24's work
[09:21] <lachlan_> i think hardy has messed up my hardware. my screen will only turn on once i get to the login screen can anybody help?
[09:21] <Jordan_U> rohan, One possiblility is that newer versions of eclipse depend on proprietary java
[09:22] <jscinoz> is ~/.profile read by the gdm login as well?
[09:23] <Fritzel> I'm not seeing anything from what I know about your problem on launchpad PodMan99a, take a look yourself you may know some little detail that would help you find it easier than me http://bugs.launchpad.net
[09:26] <PodMan99a> thanks Fritzel
[09:26] <Fritzel> sorry I couldn't be more help
[09:30] <rohan> topyli: that's true
[09:30] <rohan> Jordan_U: no, fedora has free java
[09:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there, I am experiencing slow transfer rates after a while being connected, with iwl3945
[09:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have a 802.11b router
[09:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and hardy is due in 10 days!! :)
[09:32] <whitehawk> re
[09:33] <PodMan99a> to boot with irqpoll ... i add that to the end of my boot paramaters for that kernel yes?
[09:35] <kona> Hi all - Is this right support channel for Hardy Heron 8.04 ? ? ?
[09:36] <kona> Never mind - finally opened my eyes wide enough to read header info - grin..... blush
[09:39] <Fritzel> if I'm using the Kubuntu , with KDE4 respin, what package would I want to install to try out a traditional Gnome-based Ubuntu
[09:39] <Fritzel> gnome-desktop?
[09:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Fritzel: ubuntu-desktop?
[09:40] <Fritzel> ok I see that too, would that be it?
[09:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I think so
[09:41] <Fritzel> wwell I'll give it a shot if it downloads 200MB+ I'll consider it a win
[09:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> :)
[09:41] <Fritzel> eh 165 close enough
[09:41] <Fritzel> brb
[09:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if you search for "ubuntu" in package names only I think you should see the right thing
[09:42] <PodMan99a> hey all Fritzel just to let you know... remove splash and add irqpoll should you get that ussue
[09:42] <PodMan99a> s/ussue/issue
[09:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Fritzel: ubuntu-standard seems good to
[09:42] <Fritzel> you got it resolved then?
[09:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> o
[09:43] <Fritzel> Le-Chuck_ITA: alright good deal
[09:43] <PodMan99a> Fritzel, yes... bugs.launchpad.net solved it
[09:43] <Fritzel> excellent
[09:43] <Peaker> Hey.. Hardy is supposed to be out soon, but basic bugs like keyboard layout switching with key shortcuts don't work.. :(
[09:43] <Fritzel> welcome to the new kernel then ^^
[09:43] <PodMan99a> Fritzel, much quicker for some reason
[09:43] <Peaker> basic things, that is
[09:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye all I reboot
[09:45] <Fritzel> I havn't used gnome in at least [a long time]
[09:45] <Fritzel> this is going to seem so foreign to me
[09:47] <kona> Fritzel: I was using PCLinux 2007 for about 9mos. - it's ok but ubuntu seems different to me as well - it has allot more solid feel to it - the way apps run etc. - Flash works great in firefox etc.
[09:48] <Fritzel> see personally I love PCLinux07 unfortunatly when I graduated to 64 bit I had to find an os that would use it, Ubuntu was my next choice
[09:48] <kona> Fritzel: Is this your 1st try at Linux?
[09:48] <kona> olh ok
[09:49] <Fritzel> no I've used SuSE, Red Hat, Fedora Core, Ubuntu (with kubuntu-desktop installed), Kubuntu, and probably some more that I can't think of
[09:50] <Fritzel> though my knowledge never really grew too deep because I switched around so much
[09:50] <romme> after an upgrade i'm no longer able to adjust my backlight properly
[09:51] <kona> Fritzel: Still finding my way around as well - PCLOS is allot different with the KDE desktop. I tried ubuntu earlier just before PCLOS and didn't give real try - but this time getting used to it - nSo far liking it allot.
[09:51] <kona> Fritzel: Have you noticed an improvement of speed running the 64bit version?
[09:52] <Fritzel> kona:  yeah it sounds like we're in about the same spot, I did exactly the same thing, I really like KDE4 and I'm definatly coming back to KDE4 once simple things such as invisible widgets are resolved
[09:52] <Fritzel> kona:  I can't answer that fairly, when I was 32bit I was on 1.6ghz w/hyperthreading, now I'm on 2.4ghz quad core with twice the ram
[09:55] <kona> Fritzel: I had a few problems - not to bad - but main reason I like this HHeron is - as of 1st impression - it's going to have allot better Hardware support - that's a huge plus right there. I plugged in a US Robotics - USB WiFi stick and it worked right off without any hiccups - That's great to me. Had real issue's with this kinda stuff with the PCLOS.
[09:57] <Fritzel> I got lucky on that end, everything except my webcam worked on pclos, and the only thing I used it for was for the microphone (which happened to work)
[09:57] <Fritzel> ok gnome's finished installing, brb as soon as I can figure out how to get on irc
[09:57] <kona> Fritezel: Sounds nice! - I'm running Intell based Dual core 2.8 GHz - Did actally install a version that is 64bit - I don't remember seeing that in distro page I was at?
[09:58] <wangfg> it seems tty vga=791 not compatible with x-windows?
[10:00] <Fritzel> I'm not sure
[10:01] <Fritzel> I remember specifically looking for it because that was what I was going to ubuntu for
[10:01] <Fritzel> true creature of habit here, hehe I boot gnome then immediatly open up konversation
[10:02] <wangfg> the booting sequence stoped with multi-user mode, now i can only boot into single mode :(
[10:03] <kjetilkWork> anybody else using synergy? It has become really unstable for me with Hardy and KDE4, segfaults every 20 minutes...
[10:06] <Fritzel> -grumble-
[10:06] <Fritzel> it wasn't supposed to change my compiz settings :P
[10:09] <Fritzel> where is the ideal place to set startup applications for gnome?
[10:15] <Fritzel> is there a not orange theme in the repos somewhere?
[10:16] <crdlb> Fritzel: system > preferences > appearance
[10:16] <Fritzel> thank you
[10:40] <Pirate_Hunter> insta conky supposed to run constantly? it seems if i have programs open it doesnt update constantly its laggy i would say, how can i fix this when its meant to update every 1.5 scs
[10:42] <Pirate_Hunter> *inst conky supposed to run constantly? it seems if i have programs open it doesnt update constantly its laggy i would say, how can i fix this when its meant to update every 1.5 scs?
[10:52] <Pirate_Hunter>  wine
[10:52] <Pirate_Hunter> preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000 - can someone help me get this fixed in hardy
[10:53] <Amaranth> Pirate_Hunter: it's a warning, i get those on boot too
[10:54] <Pirate_Hunter> Amaranth: what kind of warning?
[10:54] <Amaranth> a useless one
[10:54] <Pirate_Hunter> Amaranth: its for wine while trying to run it in terminal
[10:55] <Amaranth> oh, wine message
[10:55] <Amaranth> you get a similar thing from the kernel on boot
[10:55] <Amaranth> well only badly behaving applications need wine to set that up
[10:55] <Pirate_Hunter> Amaranth: yup which is why im asking since ppl here said wine had no probs except for sound
[10:56] <Pirate_Hunter> Amaranth: you mean m$ applications :D
[10:56] <Amaranth> no, i think i mean old applications
[10:56] <Pirate_Hunter> Amaranth: so i shouldnt be to worried about this message and i can run wine from gui than
[10:57] <Fritzel> where do you specify what programs to start at login in gnome?
[10:57] <Fritzel> nevermind found it
[10:58] <Pirate_Hunter> Fritzel: lol and there is also ~/.xinitrc
[10:58] <Pirate_Hunter> Amaranth: should i ignore it?
[10:58] <Fritzel> yeah but I'm trying to learn the way I'm supposed to do it
[10:58] <Fritzel> I havn't used gnome in years
[10:58] <Amaranth> Pirate_Hunter: if your app doesn't break, sure
[10:59] <Pirate_Hunter> Amaranth: this is intersting while running wine help in terminal bhttp://pastebin.com/d9ab1991
[11:00] <Pirate_Hunter> Amaranth: look at the part about it cant use the first megabyte, could explain what that means?
[11:00] <romme> after upgrading to Hardy, my synaptics touchpad stopped working completedly
[11:00] <Fritzel> does anyone else have a problem rebinding the window menu in compiz, for some reason if I change it to anything that is not <Alt>Button3: my left mouse button moves things as if ALT is stuck, but it isn't
[11:03] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone help me with concky
[11:15] <ubuntu--newbie> Hallo Guys. I jusy installed Ubuntu 8.04 and my wireless card (broadcom) doesn't seem to work. Any help would be appreciated.
[11:17] <ubuntu--newbie> ?
[11:17] <Pirate_Hunter> oyure going to have to wait for a while this place is empty at the moment for some strange reaosn
[11:18] <Pirate_Hunter> *youre
[11:22] <ubuntu--newbie> hmm
[11:25] <Infecto> [ 2109.145817] operapluginwrap[25958]: segfault at 000004d2 eip b7db01f6 esp bfc7a050 error 4
[11:25] <Infecto>  nice opera
[11:26] <ikonia> Infecto: is it a regular problem ? reproducable
[11:27] <Ng> even if it is reproducible, opera is proprietary software, so you'd really need to talk to them about their crashes
[11:29] <yacc> Ng: Guess I'm allowed to remark that f-spot started crashing my X-Server then? No proprietary software here :)
[11:30] <Ng> of course
[11:30] <Ng> X server bugs are serious
[11:30] <Infecto> ikonia: yes
[11:30] <Ng> yacc: if you can find the appropriate Xorg log in /var/log/, please file a bug
[11:30] <Infecto> dmesg |grep operap|wc -l
[11:30] <Infecto> 19
[11:34] <kjetilkWork> Infecto: https://bugs.opera.com/
[11:34]  * kjetilkWork used to work for Opera
[11:35] <kjetilkWork> so I know they read the bugs and act upon them, even thought the bug tracking system is outdated and hard to work with
[11:36] <kelsa|martalli> Suddenly, sane is no longer working.
[11:36] <kelsa|martalli> sane-find-scanner notes: "found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9, product=0x2220, chip=LM983x?) at libusb:004:003"
[11:36] <kelsa|martalli> How do I pass this info along to xsane?
[11:37] <IsotropicSpin> yo
[11:37] <bazhang> hey
[11:38]  * kjetilkWork noticed his permission settings to sane was borked when upgrading to a gutsy back in the day, resulting in unexpected errors
[11:38] <compwiz18> IsotropicSpin: so anyway, depending on the speed of your computer and the age of the CD, it could take anywhere from 20 minutes to a couple of hours
[11:38] <bazhang> IsotropicSpin: should take a bit as there are a ton of packages--if you have decent dsl speeds then all the better ;]
[11:39] <compwiz18> and I think 20 minutes would be on the way low side
[11:39] <compwiz18> 45-60 is more realistic, I think
[11:39] <IsotropicSpin> its an AMD dual core 4600+
[11:39] <bazhang> unless you have uber dsl
[11:39] <IsotropicSpin> oh the download doesn't matter!
[11:39] <bazhang> that really does not matter
[11:40] <compwiz18> IsotropicSpin: I've got a 5000+ @ 3ghz and it took mine a about 45 minutes to unpack all the archices
[11:40] <ubuntu--newbie> hallo guys.............i need some help installing my Wirelss card (broadcom) in Ubuntu 8.04
[11:40] <IsotropicSpin> i do have fast DSL will probably take 30 mins.
[11:40] <ubuntu--newbie> i can't seem to make it work
[11:40] <IsotropicSpin> ok thanks compwiz!
[11:40] <ubuntu--newbie> any help would be appreciated
[11:40] <compwiz18> ubuntu--newbie: did you try the hardware manager?
[11:40] <ubuntu--newbie> compqiz18 - the hardware manager doesn't show that particular hardware
[11:41] <ubuntu--newbie> it only shows my Nvidia 6150 driver
[11:41] <compwiz18> ubuntu--newbie: do you know the model of the card?
[11:41] <compwiz18> lspci | grep roadcom
[11:41] <ubuntu--newbie> the problem is....since i dont hv internet in Ubuntu ...I'm back in xp......... but anyway i can go back and check..
[11:42] <ubuntu--newbie> lspci | grep broadcom
[11:42] <compwiz18> ubuntu--newbie: you can find hte model in xp too
[11:42] <ubuntu--newbie> in terminal?
[11:42] <compwiz18> you know where the device manager in xp is?
[11:42] <ubuntu--newbie> yes i do
[11:42] <compwiz18> it shouldt ell you the model
[11:42] <compwiz18> IIRC
[11:42] <ubuntu--newbie> well it says Broadcom 802.11g Network Adapter
[11:42] <compwiz18> right
[11:42] <compwiz18> there should be a number
[11:42] <bazhang> !broadcom | ubuntu--newbie
[11:42] <ubotu> ubuntu--newbie: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[11:43] <compwiz18> like 4306 or 4318
[11:43] <compwiz18> hm
[11:43] <ubuntu--newbie> it doesnt have one :S
[11:43] <compwiz18> that's interesting: the b43 driver is supposed to be newer
[11:43] <compwiz18> than the bcm43xx
[11:44] <ubuntu--newbie> ok
[11:44] <ubuntu--newbie> so its bcm43xx
[11:44] <ubuntu--newbie> I am using Compaq Preasio v3222AU
[11:44] <ubuntu--newbie> the card is built in
[11:45] <ubuntu--newbie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Hardy
[11:45] <ubuntu--newbie> this page has quite a number of options
[11:45] <ubuntu--newbie> for broadcom
[11:46] <ubuntu--newbie> which one am i look for
[11:46] <ubuntu--newbie> 43xx?
[11:46] <compwiz18> hang on
[11:46] <compwiz18> I'd guess that a presario v3000 has a 4318
[11:46] <ubuntu--newbie> ok
[11:47] <ubuntu--newbie> one says "native driver"
[11:47] <ubuntu--newbie> other one doesnt
[11:47] <ubuntu--newbie> which 1 should i go into?
[11:47] <compwiz18> I don't think the model matters
[11:47] <compwiz18> anyway
[11:47] <compwiz18> so that page that the bot gave you doesn't exist
[11:47] <ubuntu--newbie> so
[11:47] <ubuntu--newbie> oh
[11:48] <compwiz18> I'll write that page if I get a chance
[11:48] <ubuntu--newbie> ok tx
[11:48] <compwiz18> but for the moment
[11:48] <compwiz18> so the Hardware Manager doesn't list the card?
[11:48] <ubuntu--newbie> nop
[11:49] <ubuntu--newbie> it only lists..my graphics card
[11:49] <compwiz18> that's strange
[11:49] <ubuntu--newbie> and btw...I can actually see...the "wireless icon"
[11:49] <ubuntu--newbie> however i cant connect to the network
[11:49] <compwiz18> can you see the wireless network?
[11:49] <ubuntu--newbie> i tried diff wireless
[11:49] <ubuntu--newbie> No icant see it
[11:49] <ubuntu--newbie> but i tried to force connect
[11:50] <ubuntu--newbie> by specifying the name
[11:50] <ubuntu--newbie> SSID
[11:50] <ubuntu--newbie> but it doesnt work......it tries for a while
[11:50] <compwiz18> yeah
[11:50] <ubuntu--newbie> then it is limited connectivity
[11:50] <ubuntu--newbie> or something like tht
[11:50] <compwiz18> I think that we need to know the version number
[11:50] <compwiz18> if the hardware manager isn't showing it
[11:50] <ubuntu--newbie> ok
[11:50] <ubuntu--newbie> let me get it
[11:50] <compwiz18> so
[11:50] <compwiz18> reboot
[11:50] <compwiz18> lspci
[11:50] <ubuntu--newbie> and i'll come back
[11:50] <ubuntu--newbie> ok
[11:50] <compwiz18> find the broadcom entry
[11:50] <compwiz18> alright
[11:50] <ubuntu--newbie> thanks!
[11:50] <ubuntu--newbie> brb
[11:50] <compwiz18> np
[11:51] <jscinoz> oh wow
[11:51] <dotech> compiz says its not available yet my card is not blacklisted
[11:51] <jscinoz> i never realised how god damn awesome pulseaudio is
[11:51] <dotech> any clue how i can turn it on?
[11:51] <jscinoz> avahi + pulseaudio = AWESOME
[11:52] <Ng> jscinoz: how so?
[11:52] <Ng> I don't think I have it enabled atm, but I'm curious how it links to avahi
[11:52] <jscinoz> ng, install package paprefs, tick the options on networking and multicast tabs
[11:52] <jscinoz> then other computers with pulseaudio have new output devices
[11:53] <jscinoz> basically you can output to other computers
[11:53] <Ng> oh nice
[11:53] <jscinoz> and they can output to yours
[11:53] <compwiz18> jscinoz: how'd you get it to do that?
[11:53] <jscinoz> or you can have it output everywhere at once
[11:53] <jscinoz> ill point you to a link
[11:53] <Ng> I could really use that at home, my laptop has such puny speakers ;)
[11:53] <compwiz18> same here
[11:53] <jscinoz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio read the Configuring section
[11:53] <jscinoz> you need package paprefs
[11:54] <jscinoz> for that menu entry it refers to to exist
[11:54] <dotech> can soemone here that uses compiz check their xorg.conf for me and search for a line that says Composite?
[11:54] <Ng> jscinoz: ta :)
[11:54] <dotech> i think i disabled mine by accident
[11:54] <jscinoz> dotech         Option          "Composite"     "Enable"
[11:54] <dotech> jscinoz: thanks
[11:56] <jscinoz> ng, did you get it working?
[11:57] <Ng> jscinoz: I'm at work at the moment, but I'll try it tonight :)
[11:57] <jscinoz> :P
[11:57] <jscinoz> By the way, is the DLNA sharing plugin in rhythmbox broken?
[11:57] <bernier> Hi, my HDA soundcard works, but only like 1 boot on 3 ... anyone hava an idea why?
[11:57] <Ng> jscinoz: last time i tried it, I had to install some extra python plugins to get it working (run it from a terminal and you'll see), but I'm fairly sure it didn't then show up on my PS3 anyway
[11:58] <Ng> but the PS3 doesn't always like upnp stuff, there's some kind of extended information they need to provide. it works fine with ushare
[11:58] <jscinoz> bernier, i have a similar issue, if you killall pulseaudio, sudo alsa force-reload; sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart; pulseaudio -D it should work again
[11:58] <jscinoz> not the best solution though
[11:58] <jscinoz> as it has to be done every boot
[11:58] <jscinoz> thanks ng
[11:58] <compwiz18> yeah, thanks Ng
[11:59] <compwiz18> enabled sharing, restarted pulseaudio, showed up in the padevchooser applet
[11:59] <jscinoz> rawr that was me :P
[12:00] <jscinoz> hmm
[12:00] <jscinoz> you can get pulseaudio for win32....
[12:00] <jscinoz> i sense an opportunity for royally screwing with people at school..
[12:00]  * jscinoz cackles diabolically.
[12:00] <ubuntu--newbie> compwiz18>
[12:00] <ubuntu--newbie> 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01)
[12:00] <compwiz18> alrighty
[12:01] <bernier>  jscinoz thhanks it worked
[12:01] <ubuntu--newbie> so which one is this..
[12:01] <jscinoz> thanks ng, package i needed was python-coherance.
[12:01] <jscinoz> bernier :D
[12:02] <Ng> jscinoz: and python-louie. they're just "Recommends" because they have quite a few other dependencies unfortunately
[12:02] <Ng> like, twist
[12:02] <jscinoz> ah
[12:02] <jscinoz> :P
[12:02] <alastair_> So my laptop doesn't tell me when it's about to run out of battery.
[12:02] <alastair_> I think it should.
[12:02] <Ng> alastair_: fire up a terminal and see what /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info says
[12:03] <alastair_> Well the system tray applet seems to know
[12:03] <alastair_> (I'm not using it atm)
[12:03] <Ng> ah, it just doesn't tell you?
[12:04] <alastair_> Indeed. It just turns off.
[12:04] <Ng> alastair_: with the system tray applet (ie gnome-power-manager) running?
[12:04] <alastair_> I'm a bit bone-idle and forget to plug it in when I move around
[12:04] <alastair_> Yes.
[12:04] <Ng> if so, that's a g-p-m bug
[12:04] <Ng> it should give you at least two warnings when it gets down to the red level
[12:05] <compwiz18> ubuntu--newbie: http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?p=4492565 looks like it might be helpful
[12:05] <Ng> and then take a critical action
[12:05] <Dr_willis> Or the warnings are disabled.
[12:05] <compwiz18> on the downside, ubuntu--newbie, you're going to need a network connection of some sort, probably
[12:05] <alastair_> Oh, that's a possibility. Although it's a default if they are.
[12:05] <Ng> Dr_willis: I didn't think you could disable those?
[12:05] <Ng> they don't have the "don't show me this message again" counter and there's no UI for disabling them
[12:05] <ubuntu--newbie> ok
[12:06] <ubuntu--newbie> wired connection?
[12:06] <ubuntu--newbie> can i download whatever package is necessary?
[12:06] <compwiz18> like, some sort of internet connection, like one with a wire, since the ethernet port probably works
[12:06] <ubuntu--newbie> before hand?
[12:06] <compwiz18> ubuntu--newbie: you can, yes, but the problem is, the package has to download the firmware during installation
[12:06] <Dr_willis> Ng,  i dont normally use gnome on my laptop. so i never notice. I dont recall ever seeing any alerts either honestly. :)
[12:07] <Ng> Dr_willis: I use a gnome laptop every day and I'm pretty sure I see the alerts
[12:07]  * Ng unplugs
[12:07] <ubuntu--newbie> ok
[12:07] <ubuntu--newbie> i'll try
[12:07] <Ng> I'll tell you in 3 hours ;)
[12:07] <ubuntu--newbie> thanks!
[12:07] <compwiz18> ubuntu--newbie: you can download the firmware seperately and install it
[12:07] <Ng> alastair_: gconftool -g /apps/gnome-power-manager/notify/low_power
[12:07] <compwiz18> but that's trickier
[12:08] <ubuntu--newbie> I have another question...i plan to run XP/vista Inside Ubuntu as virtual machine..
[12:08] <compwiz18> if you have an ethernet card, that is by far the easiest solution :)
[12:08] <ubuntu--newbie> which vm should i go for..
[12:08] <ubuntu--newbie> ok
[12:08] <compwiz18> ubuntu--newbie: virtual box usually works nicely
[12:08] <jscinoz> ubuntu--newbie, easiest to set up would be virtual box
[12:08] <ubuntu--newbie> ok
[12:08] <jscinoz> darn beaten too it
[12:08] <jscinoz> >_
[12:08] <alastair_> I will assume it's false, since it exists. Like I said, i'm not using it at the mo, so I just popped on in case someone could point something out )
[12:08] <Dr_willis> I like vmware-server :) but it depends on your needs.
[12:08] <ubuntu--newbie> thanks!
[12:08] <alastair_> :)*
[12:09] <alastair_> FYI I am using the compiz whateveritis that the 'extra' display awesomeness is
[12:09] <compwiz18> it seems to me vmware was harder to install
[12:09] <alastair_> I wonder if perhaps it's not displaying it on top? It's a bug I had with KDE and C-F that popup widgets would display underneath the windows
[12:09] <compwiz18> but that's probably what I get for using 64bit
[12:10] <ubuntu--newbie> ok
[12:11] <Dr_willis> compwiz18,  given the # of times ive installed it. :) i  got it down pat. heh. of course if there was a easy way to  convert virtual os's from  vmware <---> virtual box and visa-versa :) i would proberly try out virtualbox more
[12:11] <compwiz18> now, if only I could move GUI apps from one computer to the other like pulse audio can with sound... :)
[12:12] <compwiz18> Dr_willis: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/VirtualBox#Convertingfrom_VMware_images
[12:17] <Dr_willis> compwiz18,   i want 'easy' way. :) as in they both do it automatically...
[12:17] <Dr_willis> compwiz18,  i imagine we will be seeing that happen befor too long.
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> Its only a single line isn't it
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> ?
[12:19] <Dr_willis> i dident look at it. the wife was nagging me..
[12:19]  * Dr_willis just did a 12 hr shift.
[12:20] <h3sp4wn> Me neither - actually its 2 lines
[12:21] <alastair_> wife? nagging?
[12:25] <Dr_willis> that just converts to the raw disk image type format.. whichis not idea.
[12:26] <Dr_willis> ideal. :)
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> It does mention it may no longer be necessary
[12:28] <Dr_willis> The new vmware beta i saw. had a lot of new features. :)
[12:28] <Dr_willis> Hopefullly they develop a standard format for the vm's
[12:28] <h3sp4wn> The trunk vbox
[12:28] <h3sp4wn> Has experimental opengl for windows
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> s/opengl/3d
[12:29] <alastair_> error: unterminated swap expression
[12:29] <Dr_willis> and the beta vmware has that 'show a windows window, on the linux desktop' feature.
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> Finally - citrix did that 10 years ago or more
[12:34] <Dr_willis> cant run citrix on vmware?   I rarely use the windows in vmware stuff.
[12:34] <Dr_willis> I want 'wine' that runs my amiga apps. ;)
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> Maybe on ppc you can ?
[12:35] <Dr_willis> I dont have a PPC amiga. :)
[12:35] <Dr_willis> i got the old ones.. of course theres no longer any amiga apps i need to run
[12:35] <Dr_willis> I do miss some of them..
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> Even running older apps you can get ppc accelerator cards
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> Dunno exactly how they work though
[12:45] <Filled-Void> If I wanted to upgrade my system to try out Hardy Heron should I be doing a apt-get upgrade or just changing the gutsy's to heron in the sources.lst file and then do an update? I was asked to do an update instead of upgrade by someone in the regular channel.
[12:46] <Dr_willis> You must 'update' to get the updated package listings, befor you upgrade
[12:46] <Dr_willis> Otherwise it wont know there are any updates to upgrade to.
[12:47] <yacc> Slightly more problematic is that my complete laptop freezes, so I have to reboot.
[12:47] <Filled-Void> Dr_willis, Thank you :)
[12:49] <Pirate_Hunter> does hardy have a problem with SSL as programs that I want to use such encryption seem not to respond/connect i.e. evolution, xchat doesnt login with ssl on ports 9999 etc?
[12:51] <Pirate_Hunter> anyone
[12:53] <Dr_willis> never used ssl that i know of.. sorry
[12:53] <Lynoure> Pirate_Hunter: first check with telnetting that the servers answer and can be reached...
[12:53] <Lynoure> Rules out a whole pile of different problems
[12:54] <Pirate_Hunter> Lynoure: im having more than usual of a problem setting up my email in hardy :/
[12:55] <Ng> and you can establish an SSL connection by hand with: openssl s_client -connect hostname:port
[12:57] <Pirate_Hunter> it seems like if i turn off SSL it works also there was a mispelling :/
[12:57] <Pirate_Hunter> but anyway is hardy compatible with SSL
[12:58] <doolz> I have a wireless logitech elite keyboard/mouse that I'm trying to pair up, the mouse works great but I can't get past the "passphrase" screen.  It'll pop up wanting a passphrase but the window only stays open for about ten seconds before vanishing. (It don't seen to be getting any input from the keyboard)
[12:58] <Dr_willis> doolz,  wireless as in Bluetooth wireless?
[12:58] <doolz> yes
[12:59] <Dr_willis> You sort of dident mention that bit. :)   I was wondering how a passphrase came in on it.
[13:00] <doolz> I have also tried pasting a passphrase with no luck
[13:00] <Dr_willis> How do you type in a passphrase.. with no keyboard anyway...
[13:00] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:00] <doolz> ;)
[13:00] <Dr_willis> I thought the ubuntu bluetooth stuff had a pin config, or generator program it used.
[13:00] <doolz> good ol cut n paste
[13:01] <Dr_willis> I only have a bluetooth dongle i use rarely.  so cant help ya. There may be some forum posts on it.
[13:01] <doolz> I'm new to the bluetooth
[13:01] <Dr_willis> !bluetooth
[13:01] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[13:01] <esox> Hi I have issues with the 2.6.24-16 RT kernel of ubuntu-studio hardy. Mrmiry error msg when starting wine and puredata doesn't start if jack isn't started first. Even if puredata isn't connected with jack.
[13:01] <Dr_willis> May want to start there  doolz
[13:01] <doolz> ty
[13:01] <doolz> I've tried various fourms
[13:02] <esox> Toses bugs don't appear if I run 2.6.24-16 generic kernel. But with that kernel my wifi is turned off during boot
[13:02] <Dr_willis> given the fighting ive done with bluetooth under windows.. linux was easy to get my  dongle going in..  But ive only the 1 bluetoothe device
[13:02] <esox> Sorry, memory errors...
[13:03] <doolz> Dr_willis: thanks anyhow, the mouse paired up perfectly
[13:03] <doolz> it's all fun and games
[13:03] <doolz> ;)
[13:04] <Dr_willis> i tend to stick with the simple USB wireless devices that need no dongles.
[13:04] <alastair_> just a pringles can
[13:05] <Sergeant_Pony> lol
[13:05] <doolz> hmmm
[13:05] <doolz> no dongle here
[13:05] <Dr_willis> its sad with  how long bluetooth has been out. that most every mb dosent come with it allready...
[13:05] <doolz> I've had dongles in the past
[13:06] <doolz> soo true
[13:06] <doolz> mobo has no mo jo
[13:07] <alastair_> It's why I'm happy that Ubuntu works so well out of th ebox on my vaio
[13:07] <alastair_> cos it has everything built in
[13:07] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I can burn ONE cd/dvd under ubuntu, hardy,, and then the drive is unuseable...
[13:08] <Dr_willis> it wont even eject the disk it burnt. but it did burn correctly
[13:08] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: Do you know much about pand ?
[13:08]  * Dr_willis has no idea what pand is.
[13:08] <h3sp4wn> (I have been trying to get my palm pilot)
[13:08] <h3sp4wn> working with bluetooth for networking
[13:08] <Dr_willis> I got an old handspring. :)
[13:09] <h3sp4wn> Linux to Linux pand seems fine but when I introduce the palm it just doesn't work
[13:09] <Dr_willis> well its bed time here.. night all
[13:10] <h3sp4wn> night (anyone else who knows about bluetooth and palm's I would like to know)
[13:10] <TychoQuad> anyone know anything about sudo breaking?
[13:11] <h3sp4wn> What do you mean ?
[13:11] <esox> do someone here use 2.6.24-16 RT kernel here ?
[13:12] <compwiz18> anyone having trouble with Flash crashing Firefox?
[13:12] <alastair_> o/
[13:12] <alastair_> but it always did it for me
[13:12] <alastair_> Never solved it
[13:12] <Tycho-Quad> back, stupid irc
[13:13] <gregory> !ask > compwiz18
[13:13] <compwiz18> gregory: what exactly do you want?
[13:13] <compwiz18> I asked the question: is anyone having trouble with Flash crashing Firefox?
[13:14] <compwiz18> I'm just curious if anyone else is having the same problem
[13:14] <IdleOne> compwiz18: yes alot of people are
[13:15] <compwiz18> IdleOne: ok :)
[13:15] <IdleOne> compwiz18: check launchpad.net there are probably more then a few bug reports
[13:15] <boritek> hello. In hardy i dont have anything in the jockey-gtk so there is no 3d
[13:15] <compwiz18> IdleOne: ok, thanks
[13:16] <boritek> is there a fix for this?
[13:16] <compwiz18> boritek: what card do you have?
[13:16] <boritek> ATI 9600 SE
[13:17] <boritek> the list is empty in jockey
[13:17] <compwiz18> does the card use the open source ati driver?
[13:18] <saurabh> for some reason i need to reboot hardy to connect to the net using pppoe
[13:19] <boritek> how can i see that? but i dont think so, coz there is no 3d at all
[13:19] <boritek> compbrain, i would get some 3d even in oss driver
[13:19] <boritek> but there isnt any
[13:20] <boritek> compbrain, sorry i wanted to write to compwiz18
[13:20] <esox> issues with 2.6.24-16 RT kernel... somedody uses it ?
[13:20] <compwiz18> boritek: you can install fglrx
[13:20] <orvokki> Not yet.
[13:20] <boritek> compbrain, it is installed!
[13:20] <orvokki> esox: When was it released?
[13:20] <compwiz18> boritek: really?
[13:20] <boritek> oh yes
[13:21] <orvokki> I think I only have -15-rt.
[13:21] <_Rambaldi_> does kismet/airodump support usb wifi cards
[13:21] <boritek> still i cant see it in the list
[13:21] <orvokki> Installed, that is.
[13:21] <IdleOne> how do I set nautilus to show hidden folders by default?
[13:21] <compwiz18> boritek: does fglrx support your card?
[13:21] <compwiz18> IdleOne: I think you can just do show hidden folders, and it will remember it
[13:21] <IdleOne> never mind
[13:22] <boritek> compwiz18, it has been only gone wrong in hardy
[13:22] <IdleOne> compwiz18: it doesnt remember but there is a check box in the prefs I just saw
[13:22] <boritek> i could use it without problem in gutsy
[13:22] <Tycho-Quad> anyone know anything about sudo jamming?
[13:22] <esox> orvokki: dont know, it was directly on install...
[13:22] <compwiz18> boritek: it may be worth reinstalling xorg-driver-fglrx
[13:22] <boritek> compwiz18, although if i remember well it was also good in the beginning after upgarding to hardy
[13:23] <orvokki> esox: When did you install?
[13:23] <boritek> but i am not sure
[13:23] <boritek> but i know that jockey kept crashing
[13:23] <boritek> but no longer although no 3d this time
[13:23] <esox> orvokki: friday
[13:23] <boritek> no longer crashing but there is no 3d
[13:24] <compwiz18> boritek: there was a jockey bug
[13:24] <boritek> i tried reinstalling jockey which didnt help
[13:24] <_Rambaldi_> did you get an anwser IdleOne
[13:24] <boritek> compwiz18, i can try reinstalling gflrx
[13:24] <IdleOne> _Rambaldi_: yes I found it in the prefs. thanks
[13:24] <_Rambaldi_> k
[13:25] <boritek> compbrain, but i should be able to see the oss driver as well in jockey shouldnt I?
[13:25] <esox> orvokki: I have issues with wine and puredata
[13:25] <esox> orvokki: its a ubuntu studio install
[13:25] <IdleOne> just annoying to have to ctrl+h or go to view and click show hidden every time
[13:25] <boritek> compwiz18, i keep writing to the wrong name ..:)
[13:25] <boritek> tab extension thing...
[13:26] <IdleOne> boritek: 2 tabs for compwiz18
[13:26] <IdleOne> :)
[13:26] <compwiz18> :)
[13:26] <compwiz18> this happens frequently :P
[13:26] <IdleOne> compwiz18: he's so cool they tabbed him twice lol
[13:26] <nathan_> Can someone point me to a doc that explains how to start console apps properly from the gnome menu with alacarte?
[13:26] <boritek> compwiz18, are you the other name as well?
[13:26] <compwiz18> boritek: if the card is supported by the oss driver, it won't show up in jockey
[13:26] <boritek> same person?
[13:26] <compwiz18> boritek: nope
[13:27] <compwiz18> some poor person is :P
[13:27] <boritek> ah ok
[13:27] <boritek> okie im reinstalling
[13:29] <Blackkatt> anyone avalibe?
[13:29] <Blackkatt> need help with installing latest ubuntu on a raid array
[13:29] <boritek> compwiz18, atieventsd crashing
[13:29] <boritek> after reinstalling
[13:29] <compwiz18> boritek: I had the same problem
[13:29] <boritek> gnome-panel reporting
[13:30] <compwiz18> what does fglrxinfo in a terminal give you
[13:30] <boritek> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[13:30] <boritek> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[13:30] <boritek> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[13:30] <boritek> OpenGL version string: 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.3-rc2)
[13:31] <boritek> so its not even the normal oss ati driver
[13:31] <boritek> shall i reinstall that one too?
[13:31] <compwiz18> boritek: that probably means that fglrx is screwed up
[13:31] <Blackkatt> listen, i want to start using ubuntu instead of crappy windows but i'll also like performence so some help with installing ubuntu on raid arrays plz
[13:31] <compwiz18> try killing X or rebooting
[13:31] <compwiz18> !raid
[13:31] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[13:31] <esox> is someone having troubles with 2.6.24-16 RT kernel ?
[13:32] <boritek> compwiz18, does it solve the problem?
[13:32] <boritek> did it in your case?
[13:32] <compwiz18> boritek: yeah
[13:32] <boritek> cool, i am trying, see u in a bit
[13:32] <Blackkatt> compwiz18:  ive been there...and it tells me to send the "report"
[13:32] <compwiz18> when it says mesa it is usually because fglrx isn't installed right
[13:32] <compwiz18> Blackkatt: this is a beta, you know :)
[13:33] <Blackkatt> same thing
[13:33] <Blackkatt> with stable release
[13:33] <Blackkatt> so here is as good place as any
[13:33] <Blackkatt> less ppl here maybe bigger change to extually get some help =)
[13:34] <compwiz18> oh ok
[13:34] <compwiz18> so the bug reporting thing comes up?
[13:35] <Blackkatt> accouring too https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidDebug this is a bug yes
[13:35] <Blackkatt> i have that file need someone to look it over because i understand jackshit :p
[13:37] <Blackkatt> the problem is that the installer dosent find my raid arrays, it only displays them as singel disk
[13:37] <Blackkatt> s
[13:37] <alastair_> Isn't that the point of raid
[13:37] <boritek> re
[13:37] <boritek> compwiz18, its still the same
[13:37] <Blackkatt> no, they should be joined to one
[13:37] <Blackkatt> as
[13:37] <Blackkatt> not as singel disks
[13:38] <boritek> after trying to start jockey it has crashed accorgint to gnome-panel
[13:38] <compwiz18> boritek: fglrxinfo still gives you the same?
[13:38] <boritek> but i see the its windows
[13:38] <compwiz18> boritek: do you have the latest updates?
[13:38] <boritek> but its empty
[13:38] <boritek> yeah its mesa
[13:38] <boritek> which update do u mean?
[13:38] <compwiz18> and mesa isn't the driver in xorg.conf, right?
[13:39] <boritek> i performed one today
[13:39] <compwiz18> ok
[13:39] <compwiz18> the jockey bug was fixed a couple of days ago
[13:39] <compwiz18> (yesterday)
[13:39] <boritek> Section "Device"
[13:39] <boritek> 	Identifier  "ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]"
[13:39] <boritek> 	Driver      "fglrx"
[13:40] <boritek> in xorg.conf
[13:41] <boritek> nautilus is also crashing reportedly
[13:41] <boritek> but i can use it
[13:43] <boritek> compwiz18, shall i reinstall the oss ati driver as well?
[13:43] <boritek> because its just the mesa that i have
[13:43] <compwiz18> boritek: it might be worth it to see what happens if you swap fglrx for ati in xorg.conf
[13:44] <mattik> Hello, I like to know do you think fix logout problem with kdm and kdm-kde4. I have had this problem all the time. I'm using fglrx and kdm / kdm-kde4. I cannot log out. Allways when I try log out system freezed and with kdm kde4 doesn't work anytrhing.
[13:44] <boritek> compwiz18, how can i switch to that?
[13:45] <compwiz18> boritek: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:45] <mattik> I think this is not good thing for ubuntu brand
[13:45] <compwiz18> then find fglrx and swap it with ati
[13:45] <boritek> only this row?:
[13:45] <boritek> Driver      "fglrx"
[13:45] <boritek> and ati instead of fglrx?
[13:46] <boritek> thats all?
[13:46] <boritek> compwiz18, and done?
[13:46] <compwiz18> boritek: yep
[13:47] <nathan_> How do you start a console app from the gnome menu?
[13:47] <compwiz18> boritek: you can also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for helpful hints
[13:48] <_Rambaldi_> nathan_, be specific
[13:50] <nathan_> _Rambaldi_, well, I got a console app and want to start it from within the menu, so I tried: gksudo gnome-terminal -e "myapp", didn't worked
[13:51] <alastair_> nathan_: why gksudo? Is it a root app?
[13:51] <_Rambaldi_> so you want to start the app from terminal?
[13:51] <nathan_> yea _Rambaldi_
[13:51] <_Rambaldi_> what app is it
[13:51] <nathan_> I want to start a terminal, which starts the app
[13:51] <alastair_> Isn't there a 'run in terminal' option when you create a launcher?
[13:51] <nathan_> basic GCC compiled app with console output, thats why I want it to be run in a terminal
[13:52] <nathan_> alastair_, there is, but it doesn't seem to work
[13:52] <alastair_> well then there's no need to gksudo it
[13:52] <alastair_> Because you don't need root permissions
[13:52] <nathan_> I tried all combinations of "sudo -s app", su xterm -e app, and so on
[13:52] <compwiz18> gnome-terminal -e aprogramnamehere
[13:52] <Pici> nathan_: Why sudo? Does it need root permissions?
[13:52] <nathan_> I need UID=0 for this app
[13:52] <nathan_> yes Pici
[13:52] <Pici> Okay.
[13:52] <alastair_> gnome-terminal -e "sudo program" ?
[13:52] <compwiz18> gksudo -- gnome-terminal -e aprogramname
[13:53] <alastair_> or that
[13:53] <Pici> nathan_: You may need to create and set a custom profile that doesnt close the terminal window when the program closes.
[13:53] <nathan_> alastair_, this gives me a terminal with a sudo prompt for the password, once I enter it, the terminal disappears
[13:53] <alastair_> interesting but I can see why
[13:55] <nathan_> alright, so I create a new profile and pass the name of the profile to gnome-terminal ?
[13:55] <Pici> nathan_: Thats what I would try.
[13:55] <Ng> nathan_: yes, you can
[13:55] <Ng> -p i think
[13:55] <nathan_> hmm .. now gnome-terminal crashed when I tried to create the profile
[13:55] <Pici> Thats not supposed to happen :p
[13:55] <alastair_> I'd be concerned with why the 'run in terminal' doesn't work, however
[13:55] <nathan_> this is apparently not my day :P
[13:56] <alastair_> nathan_: That happened to me too whe I edited my profile
[13:56] <alastair_> +n
[13:56] <alastair_> try running a terminal from terminal to see what output you get :D
[13:57] <boritek> compwiz18, this is the log right now (no oss ati try yet):
[13:57] <boritek> http://rafb.net/p/hzG9dF23.html
[13:57] <compwiz18> boritek: ok, I'll take a look, one second
[13:58] <boritek> it says DRI initialization failed
[13:58] <esox> someone using 2.6.24-16 RT kerel ?
[13:58] <esox> kernel
[14:00] <nathan_> ok, new profile, window doesn't close, but it doesn't give me a prompt either
[14:00] <nathan_> I can't believe how hard it is for me to start a console app from X lol
[14:00]  * nathan_ hugs ttys
[14:01] <boritek> compwiz18, while you looking at it i am restarting with oss ati driver
[14:02] <alastair_> nathan_: personally i just launch liek three terminals when I log in on the offchance I want to run something
[14:02] <compwiz18> ok
[14:03] <compwiz18> boritek: (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[14:03] <compwiz18> looks like that might be the problem
[14:03] <boritek> compwiz18, after restarting X, it still says: mesa
[14:04] <alastair_> black mesa
[14:04] <alastair_> boritek: did you paste yuor xorg.conf
[14:04] <boritek> fglrxinfo crashing...
[14:04] <compwiz18> I wonder if you're missing a device section somewhere
[14:04] <boritek> ok, a sec
[14:04] <nathan_> alastair_, yea me too, but my now I got heaps of apps and tend to forget what cryptic name I gave them, so a menu would have been nice as some sort of repository
[14:04] <nathan_> *by now
[14:05] <alastair_> and also 'lspci | grep -i ati'
[14:05] <alastair_> ^ @ boritek
[14:05] <mheath> Yes...it sounds like you have two graphics cards, and one is configured, but the one that fglrx is appropriate for isn't configured.
[14:05] <boritek> compwiz18, http://rafb.net/p/cTBaZl54.html
[14:06] <compwiz18> alastair_: see above for the xorg.conf
[14:06] <alastair_> noted
[14:06] <compwiz18> ah
[14:06] <compwiz18> I think we might have found it
[14:06] <compwiz18> here it says:
[14:06] <compwiz18> (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[14:06] <alastair_> yes
[14:06] <compwiz18> BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
[14:06] <compwiz18> but there
[14:06] <alastair_> I think the 9600 has two devices
[14:07] <compwiz18> the BusID is wrong/different
[14:07] <alastair_> I'm using an x600 too and I have this weird thing in it
[14:07] <boritek> yes, it can support up to 2 monitors
[14:07] <alastair_> a splitter
[14:07] <boritek> if that is the one u r talking about
[14:07] <alastair_> Yes
[14:08] <alastair_> The interesting part is that my xorg.conf doesn't specify 1:0:1
[14:08] <alastair_> But it does specify 1:0:0 twice
[14:08] <alastair_> However, I'm using two monitors
[14:08] <mheath> Well, easy fix then, compwiz18
[14:08] <compwiz18> I have no idea if thats the problem
[14:08] <mheath> Assuming your card physically only has one port, or you're only using the one anyway, just change the BusID line to PCI:1:0:1 then
[14:08] <boritek> alastair_, and is your fgrlx driver working?
[14:08] <boritek> properly in hardy
[14:09] <alastair_> err I haven't upgraded this particular PC to hardy because I'm scared
[14:09] <boritek> :)
[14:09] <savvas> you could try the live cd
[14:09] <alastair_> copy your Device section and change Identifier to something else
[14:09] <alastair_> I have  Identifier  "ATI Radeon X600" and Identifier  "radeon"
[14:10] <alastair_> Their busIDs are the same
[14:10] <alastair_> Er
[14:10] <alastair_> having said that, I have the same warning
[14:10] <alastair_> Try setting the second Device section to 1:0:1
[14:11] <mheath> alastair_: Like I was saying, assuming he's only using one connection, he doesn't even have to copy/paste; just change the BusID to the other value.
[14:11] <alastair_> Possibly, but then it might whine about 1:0:0
[14:11] <roktangent> I got a friend with an 24" aluminum iMac and the 8.04 beta, he says the sound doesn't work....it looks like a recent ubuntu-kernel-modules packages has a fix, ""Enable audio quirk for Aluminium iMac", but I can't find if this means it's fixed....anyone know if this was cleared up/
[14:11] <alastair_> which seems more likely and indeed more fatal...
[14:11] <mheath> alastair_: No, it shouldn't. X.org references things by device name, not BusID or anything like that
[14:12] <boritek> alastair_, what are these 3 numbers stand for?
[14:12] <boritek> 1:0:0
[14:12] <boritek> and 1:0:1
[14:12] <mheath> alastair_: The only thing that accesses the hardware is the fglrx driver.
[14:12] <mheath> (that directly access/references it)
[14:12] <Fritzel> is there a native google talk client for linux?
[14:12] <Fritzel> a fully functional one
[14:13] <alastair_> boritek: it tells x which slot the device is in. you can find the information from lspci
[14:13] <mheath> Fritzel: No.
[14:13] <alastair_> for instance:
[14:13] <Fritzel> mheath: ok thank you
[14:13] <alastair_> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600 (PCIE)]
[14:13] <alastair_> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600]
[14:13] <mheath> Fritzel: For chat, GAIM is 100% compatible and supported by Google
[14:13] <mheath> erm
[14:13] <mheath> Pidgin, not GAIM.
[14:14] <RainMakesMeWet> Fritzel: The best you can do is use pidgin/kopete or some other jabber client, or gmail.
[14:14] <boritek> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]
[14:14] <mheath> Fritzel: For voice, unfortunately I'm not aware of any options
[14:14] <alastair_> Do you have a line 01:00.1?
[14:14] <mheath> Fritzel: Then again, for just chat, you also have their online applet, or the one built into gmail.
[14:14] <alastair_> @ boritek ^
[14:15] <boritek> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] (Secondary)
[14:15] <Fritzel> alright, yeah voice is what I was hoping for, I wouldn't doubt skype being google compatible before much longer though so I'm not super concerned
[14:15] <boritek> oh yes
[14:15] <Fritzel> I don't want to be browser compatible
[14:15] <Fritzel> er
[14:15] <Fritzel> browser dependant
[14:15] <alastair_> I'm not quite sure how ATi do their stuff
[14:15] <alastair_> But it's mental and not quite so straightforward as i'd like
[14:16] <boritek> shall i put it to to secondary?
[14:16] <boritek> coz 1:0:1 seems to be the secondary, doesnt it?
[14:16] <RainMakesMeWet> Fritzel: I just read an article about a program named Jabbin that works with google talk and voice
[14:16] <RainMakesMeWet> http://sourceforge.net/projects/jabbin/
[14:16] <compwiz18> still no luck?
[14:16] <compwiz18> @ boritek?
[14:16] <boritek> Fritzel, RainMakesMeWet take a look at openwengo
[14:17] <boritek> compwiz18, they suggest to modify xorg.conf with PCI:1:0:1
[14:17] <compwiz18> boritek: I'd suggest that too
[14:17] <compwiz18> just to see if it works
[14:17] <RainMakesMeWet> boritek: thanks, maybe I'll take a look. I usually just use Kopete (without voice), but it's nice to have the option :)
[14:18] <boritek> compwiz18, but it is for the secondary monitor right?
[14:18] <compwiz18> boritek: are you using two monitors?
[14:18] <boritek> and shall i change back to fglrx driver?
[14:18] <boritek> compwiz18,
[14:18] <boritek> no
[14:18] <compwiz18> boritek: sure
[14:18] <boritek> but it supports 2 monitors
[14:19] <roktangent> Anybody with 24" iMac?
[14:19] <boritek> and i am afraid i will have black screen with it
[14:19] <compwiz18> boritek: can you do the dpkg-reconfigure thing?
[14:19] <compwiz18> !X
[14:19] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[14:20] <boritek> compwiz18, maybe
[14:20] <boritek> what for what package exactly
[14:20] <compwiz18> I'd send you my xorg.conf to try, but I don't think it would help
[14:20] <boritek> for what*
[14:20] <compwiz18> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[14:20] <boritek> k
[14:20] <compwiz18> IIRC
[14:20] <boritek> whats IIRC?
[14:21] <compwiz18> if I remember correctly :P
[14:21] <IdleOne> or recall correctly
[14:22] <compwiz18> it might be xserver-xorg
[14:22] <IdleOne> yes
[14:22] <compwiz18> I always get it backwards
[14:22] <compwiz18> sorry
[14:22] <compwiz18> ---> xserver-xorg
[14:22] <IdleOne> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:23] <Infecto> http://pastebin.com/m350602d3
[14:23] <Infecto> can some one explain me why?
[14:23] <Infecto> i have this ups in my dmesg :)
[14:25] <boritek> compwiz18, ok, now i try to modify the pci if it wont work, will do a reconf
[14:25] <compwiz18> boritek: ok
[14:25] <boritek> brb
[14:26] <nacho> Hi
[14:27] <IdleOne> oye nacho
[14:27] <nacho> IdleOne, dime
[14:27] <IdleOne> what's up
[14:27] <nacho> anybody has a dell m1530 with a hardy installed?
[14:27] <nacho> and bios A08
[14:29] <IdleOne> nacho: tell us what you need help with
[14:29] <nacho> My problem is: I installed ubuntu hardy in the dell m1530, and I experienced several problems:
[14:30] <Ng> boo, no Dr_Willis
[14:30] <esox> Hi again, I need help on wifi connection. my wifi device is turned off during boot and I dont have hardware switch
[14:30] <nacho> * It doesn't detect the screen, I had to edit by myself the xorg.conf
[14:30] <nacho> * Touchpad doesn't work
[14:30] <Ng> alastair_: so I just got a critical battery level warning from g-p-m because I only had 4 minutes of power left
[14:31] <nacho> well it works but it bacames crazy
[14:31] <nacho> Today I decided to install 7.10 and it works everything well
[14:31] <Ng> alastair_: I was expecting one a bit earlier though too
[14:32] <nacho> and the problem 7.10 is that i don't have GIO, needed to compile gtranslator
[14:35] <esox> someone could help on wifi with 2200 BG ?
[14:38] <nacho> esox, firmware-iwl...
[14:39] <esox> nacho: what do you mean ?
[14:40] <boritek> re
[14:41] <boritek> compwiz18, alastair_ no luck with the PCI setting
[14:41] <boritek> it screwed up my settings
[14:41] <compwiz18> boritek: did you try the reconfigure?
[14:41] <alastair_> Ng: works for you then hum
[14:41] <esox> nacho: http://pastebin.org/29674
[14:41] <alastair_> Ng: question then: is it likely to pop up over the top of a fullscreen app?
[14:41] <boritek> i ended up with 640x480
[14:41] <compwiz18> hm
[14:41] <compwiz18> was it accelerated?
[14:41] <boritek> but reconfigure helped
[14:41] <nacho> esox, apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
[14:42] <boritek> to get 1280x1024
[14:42] <boritek> but still no 3d
[14:42] <boritek> get mesa again
[14:42] <compwiz18> boritek: did you chose fglrx in the menu list thingy?
[14:42] <boritek> such didnt come up
[14:42] <Ng> alastair_: hmm. good question. my guess would be yes
[14:42] <esox> nacho: cant find firmware-iwlwifi
[14:43] <boritek> i'll check again
[14:43] <alastair_> Ng: although it occurs to me I was not in-game when it turned off
[14:43] <nacho> esox, don't you have hardy?
[14:43] <alastair_> Ng: are you using the compiz-beryl-fusion-gnome-banana desktop effects?
[14:43] <boritek> compwiz18, but that shouldnt be the ati package??
[14:43] <Ng> alastair_: oh, in a game, in that case you'd probably not see it :/
[14:43] <esox> nacho: I have hardy
[14:43] <Ng> alastair_: -banana?!
[14:43] <compwiz18> boritek: in the dpkg-reconfigure, you got a list of graphic drivers, right?
[14:43] <compwiz18> did you chose fglrx or ati?
[14:44] <alastair_> Ng: I didn't feel like I had enough words in it
[14:44] <nacho> esox, then you should have firmware-iwlwifi
[14:44] <nacho> maybe something is missing in your repositories
[14:44] <Ng> alastair_: yes, I am using that
[14:44] <esox> nacho: well... what repos do I need for that ?
[14:44] <alastair_> Ng: oh :( I will try later, then, and see what happens.
[14:44] <boritek> compwiz18, no
[14:44] <nacho> I am not pretty sure, multiverse universe...
[14:44] <nacho> all that stuff
[14:45] <boritek> its just about keyboard, mouse and stuff
[14:45] <esox> nacho: ok  check
[14:45] <compwiz18> boritek: oh really?
[14:45] <compwiz18> maybe its a new xorg thing
[14:45] <compwiz18> it gutsy, the thing gave you a list of graphics drivers you could use
[14:46] <boritek> whcih question should it be? the first?
[14:46] <compwiz18> I don't remember
[14:46] <compwiz18> but you would have known it
[14:46] <boritek> r u sure we chose the right package?
[14:46] <compwiz18> pretty sure
[14:46] <compwiz18> what card did you say you had?
[14:47] <compwiz18> an ati 9600?
[14:47] <boritek> compwiz18, there wasnt such
[14:47] <boritek> as i said it asked me only about keyboard and mouse
[14:47] <compwiz18> yeah
[14:48] <compwiz18> maybe it is part of the new smart xorg thing
[14:48] <compwiz18> s/smart/stupid/
[14:48] <compwiz18> :P
[14:48] <alastair_> smart is never clever
[14:48] <boritek> oh, might me lol
[14:48] <compwiz18> alright
[14:48] <compwiz18> I'll run it on my machine and see what happens
[14:49] <boritek> are you developer?
[14:49] <compwiz18> nope
[14:49] <compwiz18> you're right
[14:49] <compwiz18> nothing about that
[14:49] <compwiz18> sorry
[14:49] <compwiz18> now we ask the audience
[14:49] <boritek> can we except that they will fix this by releasing?
[14:49] <compwiz18> does Xorg know what it needs to use without xorg.conf?
[14:50] <compwiz18> boritek: chances are it is something from the upgrade that made it a little funny
[14:50] <compwiz18> ATI drivers work fine for me
[14:50] <compwiz18> on both computers
[14:50] <boritek> compwiz18, you mean it should work fine with clean-install?
[14:50] <compwiz18> boritek: there is a chance, yes
[14:50] <compwiz18> I make no promises
[14:50] <ShackJack> !enter | compwiz18
[14:50] <ubotu> compwiz18: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[14:51] <compwiz18> you can see if the livecd works correctly before you install
[14:51] <compwiz18> ShackJack: sorry :)
[14:51] <alastair_> "Don't be sorry; don't do it." ~ My mum
[14:51] <boritek> compwiz18, you meant, that should i try simply remove xorg.conf?
[14:51] <boritek> and see what happens?
[14:52] <compwiz18> boritek: move it, perhaps
[14:52] <ShackJack> NP - I'm coming in on the middle of a conversation here, I was loggining in to say that my ATI driver fglrx doesn't appear under Restricted drivers in use in kernel -16 - is anyone else having the same issue?
[14:52] <compwiz18> ShackJack: you and boritek
[14:52] <ShackJack> boritek: You can just rename it :)
[14:52] <compwiz18> ShackJack: yes, boritek is having the same problem
[14:52] <boritek> ShackJack, yes
[14:53] <compwiz18> can anyone say "bug report"? :P
[14:53] <ShackJack> compwiz18: boritek - Yes if I go into kernel -18 the driver is listed there, but my eye candy doesn't work (no window decorations)
[14:54] <compwiz18> boritek: ShackJack which mirror are you using?
[14:54] <ShackJack> compwiz18: Oh, for sure - I just like to get a little feedback first to see if it isn't specific to my machine... Prolly just a little kernel/driver conflict... :)
[14:54] <boritek> do u think its a kernel problem?
[14:54] <compwiz18> ShackJack: no worries :)
[14:54] <boritek> default
[14:54] <compwiz18> You both might try switching the mirror to "Main mirror" and see if that gives you any updates.
[14:54] <ShackJack> compwiz18: I am using the US servers...  I'll give that a try, though...
[14:55] <compwiz18> I was using the Hong Kong server, and when I switch to Main, I got something like 406 updtes
[14:55] <alastair_> I should probably get on with some work I guess
[14:55] <ShackJack> compwiz18: Maybe the Hong Kong server is being boycotted too :P
[14:55] <boritek> what you mean under main?
[14:56] <ShackJack> compwiz18: boritek: I just tried it - no upgrades for me :(
[14:56] <boritek> ShackJack, have you refreshed?
[14:56] <esox> nacho: I have multiverse and univers and no iwlwifi package
[14:56] <boritek> wich is the main?
[14:56] <boritek> there are only countries
[14:57] <boritek> to choose from
[14:57] <Fritzel> what's the file manager for gnome?
[14:57] <humitos> hi
[14:57] <boritek> Fritzel, nautilus
[14:57] <Fritzel> thank you
[14:57] <humitos> I can't burn a DVD Video with K3b...
[14:58] <humitos> I get an error http://humitos.homelinux.net/~humitos/k3b.png
[14:58] <boritek> humitos, try brasero
[14:58] <boritek> its for gnome
[14:58] <humitos> boritek: let me see...
[14:59] <boritek> compwiz18, what is main repo? i can choose from countries only
[14:59] <compwiz18> hm
[14:59] <boritek> i think i got it
[14:59] <alastair_> That's in a foreign language
[14:59] <boritek> yeah lol
[14:59] <boritek> its coz of the language
[14:59] <boritek> lol
[15:00] <alastair_> I don't speak languages
[15:00] <alastair_> :o
[15:00] <compwiz18> oh alright.
[15:00] <compwiz18> alastair_: neither do I (well, except for English(
[15:00] <alastair_> English isn't a language in the same way that black isn't a colour!
[15:00] <saurabh> an update 3 days ago broke compiz on hardy, i have GMA 950 graphics, please help
[15:00] <compwiz18> Black is all colors; does that make English all languages?
[15:00] <humitos> boritek: brasero don't have option to burn VIDEO DVD
[15:01] <esox> nacho: I can see that iwlwifi is for 4965 and 3945, I have a 22OO BG
[15:02] <boritek> i got 9 package to refresh
[15:02] <boritek> but no important packages
[15:02] <compwiz18> boritek: is the kernel and the fglrx module the same version?
[15:03] <boritek> yeah that might also be a problem just wanted to check this out
[15:03] <boritek> but how can i see its the same?
[15:04] <boritek> humitos, sorry i didnt know u want to burn that one
[15:05] <esox> my intel wifi card 2200BG isnt started at boot
[15:05] <willie> ping jriddell
[15:05] <humitos> any suggestion...?
[15:05] <boritek> k3b is a kde program, try #kubuntu
[15:08] <boritek> compwiz18, my kernel: 2.6.24-16.22, my fglrx: 1:7.1.0-8+2.6.24.12
[15:08] <saurabh> how do you reset compiz settings
[15:09] <compwiz18> boritek: do those match? I can't tell. Maybe someone smarter then I can say whether the version of fglrx matters; it is possible that the package compiles it or something...
[15:15] <ShackJack> boritek: Hi - work stuff caught up with me.. I refreshed my sources list but no new updates..
[15:16] <boritek> i didnt get important updates anyway
[15:16] <ShackJack> :)
[15:16] <boritek> dont know what to do...
[15:17] <boritek> maybe i have to try it with an odler kernel
[15:17] <boritek> have you tried it with -15?
[15:17] <boritek> instead of 16
[15:17] <ShackJack> Well, I'll just wait it out myself rather than filing a bug - I'm sure someones gotten arround to that already... My driver shows with older kernel, but window decs don't work right under compiz
[15:17] <boritek> ending 15 and 16
[15:17] <ShackJack> boritek: Yes, on 15 ^^
[15:17] <compwiz18> sorry I'm not being much help :)
[15:18] <compwiz18> I'm rather out of ideas.
[15:18] <ShackJack> compwiz18: No biggie - it seems like it's just a packaging issue really..
[15:18] <compwiz18> did either of you install a version of the drivers that didn't come from the repos?
[15:18] <compwiz18> ShackJack: boritek ^^^^^^
[15:18] <ShackJack> compwiz18: Nope all repos..
[15:18] <boritek> no
[15:19] <ShackJack> I was rather hoping that OS ATI driver would be well along by now (I'm using X1400 ATI)
[15:19] <esox> is someone here using RT kernel ?
[15:19] <boritek> ShackJack, can u you use os ati driver?
[15:19] <boritek> coz i cant that one either
[15:19] <ShackJack> For X1400, I don't think so...
[15:19] <boritek> its mesa
[15:20] <ShackJack> The closed source one has certainly made some strides these last couple years, though... I'm not an OS "purist" when it comes to hardware drivers.. :)
[15:20] <edgy> heeeeeeeeeelp! I have no kicker menu in kubuntu and the background is blank. This happens today suddenly, how can I fix?
[15:20] <boritek> not me either lol
[15:21] <boritek> eggy: can u try #kubuntu?
[15:21] <ShackJack> #kubuntu +1? I'm not touchin' KDE until 4.2 ;)
[15:21] <boritek> yeah it worth waiting
[15:22] <ShackJack> Although I'm kinda partial to GNOME at this point.. many of the overt KDE improvements seem a bit superfluous.. But lotta nice stuff under the hood...
[15:23] <esox> how can I installed former kernels ?
[15:23] <h3sp4wn> ShackJack: compiz works better with the OSS drivers on a radeon X1050 than on my quadro 1600m
[15:23] <edgy> boritek, ShackJack: it seems there is no kubuntu+1
[15:23] <boritek> simply #kubuntu
[15:24] <edgy> boritek: isn't that for the stable gutsy?
[15:25] <boritek> yeah, but dont know how many here using kubuntu
[15:25] <Pici> edgy: #kubuntu-kde
[15:25] <ShackJack> edgy: My bad.. thought their might be...
[15:25] <Pici> er, kde4
[15:25] <Pici> !kde4
[15:25] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[15:25] <boritek> thats it
[15:25] <boritek> #kubuntu-kde4
[15:31] <twoface_> i'm missing the python module 'dl' - this should be a part of the python2.5 package. can anyone confirm this? or even fix it? :)
[15:31] <twoface_> you can test by running 'python -c "import dl"' in a console
[15:32] <Lynoure> twoface_: and, like normally in Linux, it not saying anything means it existed?
[15:34] <twoface_> Lynoure: i suppose
[15:36] <Blinny> I'm running an updated Hardy Beta right now, with 8GB RAM. Unfortunately, after a recent kernel update (to 2.6.24-16-generic) my kernel is only seeing 3GB. I had understood that Ubuntu was no longer separating 32 and 64-bit kernels, hence the -generic. What do I need to fix so that I boot into the 64-bit kernel?
[15:36] <spelling> what are the green/blue distros other than suse/fedora
[15:37] <savvas> spelling: opensuse, centos.. :p
[15:37] <savvas> there was another debian distro in blueish and kde.. um..
[15:38] <twoface_> Lynoure: you get nothing?
[15:38] <Lynoure> spelling: you can theme any sensible distro to any colours you want.
[15:38] <Lynoure> spelling: and Kubuntu is by default somewhat blue :)
[15:38] <Lynoure> twoface_: yes, that's why I asked
[15:38] <savvas> spelling: pclinuxos
[15:39] <twoface_> Lynoure: are you on amd64?
[15:39] <savvas> but Lynoure is right.. my theme for example is blackish :)
[15:39] <savvas> i am twoface_
[15:39] <macusercanada> hi all - I need help - I had edubuntu running on an old clamshell iBook - I installed the beta of full ubuntu 8.04 last night and now I have no mouse movement either by USB mouse or the trackpad - any ideas?
[15:39] <spelling> savvas keeo going
[15:40] <twoface_> savvas: do you have the python 'dl' module?
[15:40] <Ng> Blinny: could you file a bug about that, or mention it in #ubuntu-kernel? If it's confirmed then it's a pretty serious regression
[15:40] <savvas> spelling: http://distrowatch.com/ :p
[15:40] <savvas> spelling: http://shots.osdir.com
[15:40] <savvas> i think that's enough :)
[15:40] <Pici> !ot | spelling
[15:40] <ubotu> spelling: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[15:40] <Lynoure> twoface_: no.
[15:40] <Blinny> Ng: I'll try #ubuntu-kernel first. I've been searching but haven't found a bug report yet. Thanks
[15:41] <savvas> twoface_: what package?
[15:41] <Ng> Blinny: ok thanks
[15:41] <Lynoure> twoface_: This is a 32bit system...
[15:41] <twoface_> savvas: it should be in the standard python2.5 package
[15:44] <twoface_> bah - apparently dl.so is not included in the amd64 packages
[15:44] <twoface_> wonder why
[15:44] <sailaway85> hi all
[15:46] <macusercanada> is there anyone that can help with a mouse/trackpad problem on a G3 ibook?
[15:54] <nate00> Hmm .. too activate the darklooks theme I need to reapply clearlooks and then darklooks again - anyone know why?
[15:55] <rawbin> Greetings. A problem : My gutsy installation's gnome-terminal seems to be inserting extra '\033[0m' instances in everything that is processed by the shell. Eg `ls filename | xargs rm` bombs with a message that `\033[0mfilename`\033[0m not found. Any idea what's causing this ?
[16:00] <Ng> rawbin: bash prompt maybe?
[16:00] <Ng> try running: export PS1="$ "
[16:02] <rawbin> Ng, thanks. That doesn't change the behaviour I'm afraid. I know that the sequence `\033[0m is a special one but do not know what it means. Things run fine in xterm however so something in gnome-terminal or its environment is causing this to happen IMHO.
[16:04] <Fritzel> is there anyway to change the order in which programs that autostart in gnome load? I want compiz to load first
[16:04] <Ng> rawbin: that's usually something like setting a colour in a prompt
[16:05] <Fritzel> 0m resets to default boldness and color if I recall correctly
[16:05] <rawbin> Ng, the funny thing is that this is a from-scratch install so its not like I was tweaking the prompt or any such thing.
[16:05] <franz1789> hi, does anyone else has problems with flashplugin-nonfree and firefox 3.0 beta5?
[16:05] <Ng> rawbin: try "unset PROMPT_COMMAND" too, that's something similar to the prompt
[16:05] <bhsx> is everyone having issues with the latest updates (starting friday)? my 3d seems to be busted, even though i'm supposedly using the ati proprietary driver...
[16:06] <bhsx> i cant get compiz to run
[16:06] <tech0007> Fritzel: try System->Preferences->Sessions or have a look at ~/.gnome2/session
[16:06] <Fritzel> I'm looking at that now I was just hoping someone knew of some way to choose the order, there's no options in here that I can see
[16:07] <gregory> franz1789: i use the flashplayer downloaded from adobe. works nicely
[16:07] <rawbin> Ng, No luck I'm afraid. That variable wasn't set anyways.
[16:07] <bhsx> i'm thinkin of doin a reinstall and just starting over, and then just not updating til the release
[16:07] <Ng> rawbin: hmm, I'm not sure then
[16:07] <franz1789> gregory, I installed it from repo, but firefox does not recognize it
[16:08] <tech0007> Fritzel: in ~/.gnome2/session, you can see they're numbered. i used that file once to rid of some startup, maybe you can use it to change the order..i'm not sure
[16:08] <gregory> franz1789: you can check your plugins in $HOME/.mozilla/plugins. if its not in there you need to make a symlink
[16:09] <Fritzel> ahh ok I'll give that a shot
[16:09] <tech0007> Fritzel: good luck
[16:09] <tech0007> Fritzel: make sure you back it up first
[16:09] <Fritzel> I will
[16:10] <franz1789> gregory, that folder does not exist
[16:10] <franz1789> gregory, and I can't find it in my profile
[16:10] <Fritzel> rawbin: escape your ls and it won't produce color, to modify your example '\ls filename | xargs rm'
[16:10] <alastair_> is firefox 3 beta going to be in the release?
[16:10] <alastair_> cos um
[16:10] <Fritzel> rawbin: it doesn't solve the problem but it'd let you do what you're trying to
[16:10] <alastair_> None of the addons works :P
[16:11] <gregory> franz1789: i dont mean to be rude: you replaced $HOME with your system name? f.e. /home/user/franz/..
[16:11] <franz1789> gregory, yep, I'm not so n00b :D
[16:11] <gregory> alastair_: yes, but you can also install ff2
[16:11] <alastair_> k
[16:12] <gregory> franz1789: dont know then, sorry
[16:12] <alastair_> I quite like it, but for the lack of addon
[16:12] <Fritzel> \033[0m is a color code, escaping should allow your command to work since it executes without any aliases on ls
[16:13] <rawbin> Fritzel, thanks. That worked. Also I realised that I had aliased ls as follows "alias ls='ls --color -F'". Could that be the culprit ?
[16:14] <Fritzel> it's causing the problem yes, but most people have it, I havn't executed the command on anything that comes in color with ls so I don't know if it's working as intended or not
[16:14] <franz1789> gregory, well, I find the folder in /usr/lib/firefox-addons, but it's empty
[16:14] <rawbin> Fritzel, I see. Well thanks anyways.
[16:14] <Fritzel> np
[16:14]  * orvokki has alias ls="ls --color=auto" on his systems usually
[16:15] <gregory> franz1789: i am really not good with ff. i am not sure if _plugins go into _addons
[16:15] <Fritzel> hmm what's auto do for color?
[16:15] <orvokki> Fritzel: Color has three states. Forced on, automatic and off.
[16:15] <orvokki> Automatic tries to put it off if the terminal doesn't support it.
[16:16] <franz1789> gregory, ok, I reinstalled it and now it works, sorry
[16:16] <Fritzel> ahh I may have to make the adjustments here then
[16:17] <orvokki> Fritzel: The switches for color are 'never', 'auto' and 'always'.
[16:17] <orvokki> As it says in man page for ls.
[16:17] <Fritzel> I usually see --color by itsself
[16:17] <orvokki> It's ambiguous.
[16:17] <Fritzel> I never thought about there being a value
[16:17] <orvokki> --color by itself is either --color=always or --color=auto.
[16:18] <orvokki> I have no idea which, man page doesn't tell.
[16:18] <Fritzel> I would think auto
[16:18] <Fritzel> but that would disagree with rawbin's situation
[16:18] <Fritzel> brb I need to relogin
[16:19] <Fritzel> oh yes that's much better
[16:19] <tech0007> ubuntu by default doesnt have a .bashrc file, so where can you put user variables like ls?
[16:19] <orvokki> Fritzel: Actually I suspect it's automatic if you drop --color off.
[16:20] <Fritzel> I put a priority of 50 on compiz, didn't even see it flicker ^^
[16:20] <Fritzel> .profile might work
[16:20] <orvokki> tech0007: You can put source ~/.bashrc into ~/.bash_profile
[16:20] <orvokki> Then you have a .bashrc.
[16:20] <tech0007> Fritzel: yup there it is
[16:21] <orvokki> That's how all distros that have .bashrc do it.
[16:22] <orvokki> tech0007: echo 'if [ -f ~/.bashrc ];then source ~/.bashrc;fi' >> ~/.bash_profile
[16:23] <tech0007> orvokki: how can i make ls use --color=always by default?
[16:23] <genie> hi every body, I am on 8.4 and when I install nvidia driver my screen goes to low resolutions once I disable it's goes back to resolutes 1024x768
[16:23] <genie> how to fix it this error?
[16:24] <orvokki> tech0007: You should be able to just put alias ls="ls --color=auto -F" to your .bashrc.
[16:24] <tech0007> orvokki: can i jst add that to .profile?
[16:24] <orvokki> Not a good idea.
[16:25] <tech0007> orvokki: why not?
[16:25] <sailaway85> is there  repositories down ie: Canada
[16:25] <orvokki> tech0007: Because initrc files are loaded in a sequence and you don't want your aliases to get overridden.
[16:25] <orvokki> tech0007: Use either .bash_profile or then do the echo I told and get to use .bashrc.
[16:26] <tech0007> orvokki: ok got it thanks
[16:37] <Fritzel> eh, I guess I can be pleased with that
[16:39] <Wobbo> hoi
[16:52] <geniehost> hi all
[16:52] <geniehost> how to shutdown x server?
[16:52] <tech0007> ctrl-alt-bckspace
[16:53] <geniehost> need to shut it down to install some things
[16:53] <geniehost> how to?
[16:54] <tech0007> switch to a vt, then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[16:54] <bobesponja> geniehost: Ctl+Alt+Backspace
[16:54] <geniehost> ctrl-alt+backspace will restart the x server
[16:54] <geniehost> thanks
[16:57] <alastair_> geniehost: if you need to turn it off completely, press ctrl-alt-f1, log in there, and do: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[16:57] <alastair_> geniehost: you can start it again with - guess what - sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[17:01] <geniehost> thanks guys, how to download the pre-compiled kernel for 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:02] <tech0007> you may already have it in /var/cache/apt/archives
[17:02] <Pici> Just grab the linux metapackage.
[17:03] <geniehost> how?
[17:07] <geniehost> hi again
[17:07] <geniehost> how to install kernel-source kernel-deve
[17:07] <Tuv0k> geniehost, use the package manager?
[17:07] <geniehost> from command?
[17:08] <geniehost> apt-get install not wroking?
[17:08] <Tuv0k> whats wrong with the GUI?
[17:08] <geniehost> it's shutdown at the moment
[17:08] <gregory> strangely the kernel headers are not shown in add/remove software
[17:09] <Tuv0k> gregory, fire up the real gui package manager SYNAPTIC?!?
[17:09] <geniehost> any one know how to download kernel-source and kernel-devel
[17:09] <gregory> Tuv0k: ah, didnt know about that. use apt-get normally
[17:09] <Tuv0k> geniehost, you've been told do not repeat your query every other line
[17:10] <IdleOne> !synaptic | geniehost
[17:10] <ubotu> geniehost: synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[17:10] <Tuv0k> gregory, you can use that as well, but have to know what you are doing
[17:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> geniehost: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[17:10] <IdleOne> Daisuke_Ido: probably a not using sudo issue
[17:10] <Tuv0k> make an effort to search and read readily availiable documentation
[17:10] <geniehost> thanks Daisuke_Ido
[17:10] <Tuv0k> thats what its there for
[17:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> IdleOne: of course sudo's required
[17:11] <IdleOne> Daisuke_Ido: I know that but he may not have :)
[17:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> Tuv0k: this isn't #debian, we actually try to help people/.
[17:11] <Tuv0k> lol
[17:11] <dfeuer> What's the current word on Thinkpad T61p trackpad (Synaptics) scrolling under Hardy?  What do I need to do to set it up?  Some xorg.conf sections seem to have changed between Gutsy and Hardy, and I don't want to screw things up.
[17:12] <Tuv0k> nit knowing about the default packamanager seems like they are not trying to help themselves. Is any effort required from a ubuntu user?
[17:12] <hischild> dfeuer, more or less everything that can be autodetected is autodetected in hardy
[17:12] <Ng> dfeuer: I disabled my touchpad so I may not be the best to ask, but I would recommend moving your /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere else and restarting X. The new xorg is really good at detecting hardware (at least for me it has been), and the Mouse preferences now covers synaptics stuff
[17:12] <geniehost> Daisuke_Laptop, this is what I got : Reading state information... Done
[17:12] <geniehost> linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic is already the newest version.
[17:12] <geniehost> linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic set to manually installed.
[17:12] <geniehost> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:12] <Ng> dfeuer: if it doesn't work, you can always move the xorg.conf back and then figure it out manually
[17:12] <AzaTht> dfeuer: I have no problem with my trackpad
[17:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> geniehost: then you already have the headers installed...
[17:13] <DevonSix> hello everyone
[17:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> Tuv0k: touche
[17:13] <dfeuer> Hmm
[17:13] <dfeuer> I'm on a clean Hardy install.
[17:13] <DevonSix> i have a problem with hardy heron
[17:13] <dfeuer> My trackpad works, but it doesn't scroll.
[17:13] <AzaTht> hmm
[17:13] <geniehost> Daisuke_Laptop, I am trying to install Nvidia driver and it's ask for source of my kernel
[17:14] <dfeuer> When I try to run the configuration utility,
[17:14] <DevonSix> it does not mount any USB devices like MP3/printer
[17:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> uh
[17:14] <dfeuer> it says I need to set an option in xorg.conf, but not what section that goes in.
[17:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> why are you installing it that way anyway?
[17:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> restricted driver manager
[17:14] <Ng> dfeuer: oh right. that'll be in the synaptics section
[17:14] <Ng> which should be an Inputdevice
[17:15] <dfeuer> Ng, said section ... doesn't exist.
[17:15] <geniehost> Daisuke_Laptop, I got problem with restricted driver
[17:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you're on hardy, system > administration > hardware drivers
[17:15] <geniehost> I am on 8.4
[17:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> geniehost: then you may have to do some googling to see how to do it, i have no experience and do not recommend installing drivers in that way.
[17:15] <tech0007> geniehost: check ubuntuforums.org
[17:16] <geniehost> Daisuke_Laptop, thanks any way
[17:16] <tech0007> geniehost: there's a lot of nvidia users out there
[17:16] <swuboo> Daisuke:  The Hardware Drivers applet seems pretty useless; it flatly denies that I'm using the nvidia driver I am.
[17:16] <Ng> dfeuer: dfeuer http://pastebin.com/f491664eb is my config, which includes that section
[17:16] <Pici> swuboo: How did you install the driver?
[17:17] <swuboo> Pici:  Synaptic.
[17:17] <dfeuer> Ng, how'd you end up with that?
[17:17] <Ng> dfeuer: fresh hardy install
[17:17] <Ng> but i think my gutsy one had a synaptics section. not sure, I play around with x configs quite a lot
[17:17] <dfeuer> Hmmm..
[17:18] <Ng> if you upgrade and there's an xorg.conf, the upgrader will not touch it, afaik. the idea being that if it's there it probably works and we don't want to break it
[17:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> Ng: minimal xorg.conf is part of hardy now
[17:18] <Ng> Daisuke_Laptop: indeed \o/
[17:18] <dfeuer> I didn't use the upgrader, Ng.
[17:18] <Ng> dfeuer: so yours is a fresh install?
[17:18] <dfeuer> Yep.
[17:19] <Ng> that's pretty weird
[17:19] <dfeuer> Repartitioned and all...
[17:19] <tech0007> but you can still tweak xorg.conf
[17:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> since i have hardware that i know will work with linux, i think i'll start playing with other distros on this laptop
[17:21] <dfeuer> Here goes nothing.
[17:32] <Annirak> I need to install VMWare player on Hardy and I've never installed VMWare player before.  Are there any howto's which might help me out?
[17:32] <Tuv0k> Annirak, google
[17:33] <Annirak> Tuv0k: Been there, done that.
[17:33] <Tuv0k> then you should be all set
[17:33] <Annirak> yeah, ok.  Except I wouldn't be in here if it had worked out.
[17:34] <Tuv0k> http://www.google.com/search?q=vmware+ubuntu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[17:34] <Tuv0k> 3rd hit
[17:34] <Annirak> except that doesn't apply to hardy
[17:34] <Tuv0k> sure it does
[17:34] <Tuv0k> don't be lazy
[17:35] <Tuv0k> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[17:35] <hydrogen> use virtaulbox.
[17:36] <atlef> hydrogen: +1
[17:36] <Annirak> Tuv0k: Real helpful: Installing VMware Player
[17:36] <Annirak> Note: these installation instructions are not applicable in 7.10 or later.
[17:37] <Annirak> hydrogen: I need to be able to run a VM that already exists.  Will virtualbox let me run a VMware image?
[17:37] <Tuv0k> http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1205 do you know how to google?
[17:38] <Tuv0k> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=613976
[17:38] <Annirak> The vmware link you provided is useless.
[17:38] <atlef> Annirak: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=104
[17:38] <Tuv0k> thats not the only thing
[17:38] <Annirak> It's an image.
[17:40] <Annirak> Tuv0k: Do you even look at the links you're sending me or are you just so focused on pwning a noob that you don't even care whether they address the problem I'm asking about?
[17:40] <hydrogen> YOU GOT PWND
[17:41] <Annirak> atlef: That looks good.  I'll try it out and see how it goes.
[17:41] <cwillu> Annirak, afaik virtualbox has support for vmware images
[17:42] <atlef> Annirak: just googled it, but hey, we all have to start somewhere.
[17:42] <Tuv0k> Annirak, fair question, I just want to show you that with minimal effort you can help yourself immensely. If nothing else you'll educate yourself so that you can ask specific questions which will reveal that you made an attempt, and you failed at a specific point. Then someone can pick you up from there. But its obvious, you have not tried very hard.
[17:43] <sivel27> hi everyone,
[17:43] <sivel27> i cannot for the life of me mount a slave hdd that was formatted previously by ubuntu. it does not come up when i type df, and im trying to do this via ssh from work.
[17:43] <cwillu> sivel27, what does the mount command spit back at you when you try to mount it?
[17:44] <sivel27> well, when i type the mount command, i see everything except the slave hdd
[17:44] <Annirak> Tuv0k: You're missing some information.  When I originally tried this, I went through three separate howto's which I found on Google.  Being that I didn't succeed in any of those, and this is something I need to do for work, other demands on my time halted my progress.  Since I didn't have time to look at it for 3 days, I don't remember the specifics of the failures.  What I do remember is...
[17:44] <Annirak> ...that they were release specific.  As in "this would have worked on gutsy"
[17:45] <cwillu> sivel27, no, the actual mount command to mount it
[17:45] <sivel27> well, i dont know what the slave is called.
[17:45] <mrtimdog> ﻿sivel27: Get the device from 'fdisk -l'
[17:45]  * cwillu 's head explodes
[17:46] <tech0007> lol
[17:46] <sivel27> nothing comes back w/ fdisk -l
[17:47] <tech0007> sivel27: what about 'dmesg | grep sd
[17:47] <Tuv0k> Annirak, Generally one can do things on the new release that were fine on the previous release. Like I'm running gutsy virtualbox packages on my hardy box, with no problems
[17:47] <alastair_> sivel27: you probably have to sudo fdisk -l
[17:48] <sivel27> ok, with the grep, i see a /dev/sdb
[17:48] <alastair_> tech0007: surely just dmesg | tail just in case there are USB messages
[17:48] <alastair_> oh
[17:48] <tech0007> alastair_: depends on the type of slave
[17:48] <cwillu> Annirak, but you are also missing some information:  we're not getting paid by your workplace, and you _did_ just come in here and effectively say  'google this for me, I'm too lazy'.  If you've tried a bunch of things, and had no success, then you should start by enumerating what you've tried so we don't have to go down the same blind alleys.  Unless you wanna give us your work's mailing address so we can submit bills for our time :p
[17:49] <sivel27> excellent, thanks alot
[17:49] <Tuv0k> cwillu, better than I could have put it
[17:49] <cwillu> and I mean that in as nice a way as possible :p
[17:50] <Tuv0k> naturally
[17:51] <beavis> hi, i updated to hardy, now it always sets the keyboard language from German to English. Everytime I reboot it sets ENG as default keyboard layout
[17:51] <cwillu> beavis, where are you setting it back to german?
[17:52] <beavis> keyboard-settings
[17:52] <Tuv0k> http://www.google.com/search?q=hardy+heron+keyboard+switches+from+german+to+english&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[17:52] <Tuv0k> bug #95886
[17:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95886 in ubiquity "Wrong keyboard layout after installation (US instead of FI)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95886
[17:53] <beavis> cool, thanks! Ill take a look at this bug
[17:53] <Tuv0k> ;)
[17:53] <cwillu> Tuv0k, I don't think he got the joke :p
[17:53] <Tuv0k> gotta luv google
[17:56] <veloxid> Hi I've a problem with centrino speedstepping, my cpu is running on 600Mhz, although it can run with 2Ghz
[17:58] <beavis> hmm thats the bug with no solution,
[17:58] <gunashekar> hmm
[18:00] <Niklas_E> is there any gui for xmms2 that is same like xmms?
[18:00] <Niklas_E> or can you install xmms with synaptic?
[18:00] <veloxid> beavis: Do you mean my problem?
[18:01] <beavis> I of course googled for the solution of the wrong keyboard layout and even got this bug number, I thought you guys send me another bug number
[18:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> Niklas_E: check out audacious
[18:01] <Tuv0k> Niklas_E, I wondered the same thing
[18:01] <Tuv0k> Niklas_E, then I googled xmms2, and ended up on their website and found the answer
[18:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> xmms is an incredibly outdated music player at best, a crufty piece of junk at worst
[18:01] <Tuv0k> xmms2 uses clients
[18:02] <Tuv0k> there are a list of clients on their webpage
[18:02] <Niklas_E> aha
[18:02] <Tuv0k> if I were too laxy to do that, I'd just search synaptic for xmms2
[18:02] <Tuv0k> I use xmms2 with gkrellm
[18:03] <Tuv0k> xmms2 is now a server daemon
[18:03] <Tuv0k> xmms2d
[18:03] <Tuv0k> get the systray for it
[18:03] <Niklas_E> aha
[18:03] <Tuv0k> I like esperanza as well
[18:03] <Tuv0k> there is a gkrellm2 plugin for it as well
[18:04] <Tuv0k> Niklas_E, it takes some getting used to
[18:04] <chester_m> hi...is Hardy Heron now stable??
[18:04] <chester_m> i mean. usable? :p
[18:04] <binarical-app> its pretty usable
[18:04] <Tuv0k> chester_m, I've been using it since it was announced
[18:04] <Tuv0k> :/
[18:04] <Tuv0k> ymmv
[18:04] <binarical-app> i find it to be alot better then it was 2 months ago
[18:04] <tech0007> chester_m: depends on the hardware & user :P
[18:04] <chester_m> ...
[18:05] <topyli> Tuv0k: the xmms2 client is a "systray" applet?
[18:05] <Tuv0k> in a nutshell
[18:05] <chester_m> i'm thinking about using it
[18:05] <chester_m> where i can find a featured list?
[18:05] <binarical-app> what pc are you running it on chester_m
[18:05] <topyli> that's the most horrible use of the notification area i've heard lately
[18:05] <bipolar> chester_m: I'm using it daily.
[18:05] <Tuv0k> topyli, the systray applet makes it easier to enable and manipulate
[18:05] <Tuv0k> "xmms2tray" is the name
[18:06] <topyli> Tuv0k: it has no business being there though :)
[18:06] <bobbo_>   
[18:06] <Tuv0k> ??
[18:06] <topyli> Tuv0k: it's the notification area. it's for notifications :)
[18:06] <bobbo_> HI
[18:06] <chester_m> binarical-app, a notebook fujitsu (p4 2.8, 512mb ram, 60gb HD, ati 9200 mobility - 64mb dedicated)
[18:06] <chester_m> what do u think'
[18:06] <chester_m> '
[18:06] <swubo1> topyli:  I dunno, that seems like a pretty decent use for the notification area.
[18:06] <chester_m> ?
[18:07] <topyli> swubo1: i don't see  what controlling a music stream has to do with notifying you of events
[18:08] <swubo1> topyli:  It doesn't; but that doesn't mean they can't share real estate.
[18:08] <Tuv0k> right
[18:08] <swubo1> topyli:  After all, the system indexer and the logout button are hardly notifications of events either.
[18:08] <Tuv0k> I can use the tray or gkrellm or the clients main interface
[18:08] <Tuv0k> they all are aware of the other
[18:08] <topyli> applets are more than welcome in the panel. notification icons and bubbles have a different purpose though
[18:08] <marijus_1> *sub
[18:09] <topyli> just because nm-applet and gaim have raped it, doesn't mean everybody should keep doing it :(
[18:09] <Tuv0k> using xmms2 pulseaudio plugin as well
[18:10] <swubo1> topyli:  I suppose that's fair.  It's just never bothered me much to have other things there.
[18:10] <binarical-app> chester_m : it seems like now the only problem would be with sound ( headphones) other wise as far as i can tell hardy will run well on your model
[18:10] <topyli> swubo1: the logout button is not in the notification area, it's a proper panel applet. the tracker icon is in the wrong place
[18:11] <topyli> swubo1: at least it does notify you when the indexing is going wrong or some other interesting event happens
[18:11] <chester_m> hm...it's stable?
[18:11] <chester_m> i mean..not much bugs?
[18:11] <Tuv0k> so long as there is someone to report bugs, there will be bugs
[18:11] <Tuv0k> much, is relative
[18:12] <topyli> short answer: yes, there are many bugs :)
[18:12] <AzaTht> wonder if I could get my fingerprint scanner to work in my tx1270
[18:12] <binarical-app> ﻿chester_m: hardy will be released at the end of the month, you can give it a go now or wait untill then, there wont be much of a difference. if you cant find work arounds , you should wait a bit after its release to get a "perfect" os
[18:12] <AzaTht> or would that be a lost cause?
[18:13] <binarical-app> nothing is impossible
[18:13] <zxc`> I guys I encountered some problems w/ audio using snd_hda intel
[18:14] <zxc`> easily sound doesn't work
[18:14] <zxc`> looking on launchpad I saw that this is a note bug but i didn't find a solution
[18:14] <AzaTht> google://fingerprint+tx1000 gives most (except fingerprint bla bla bla)
[18:15] <binarical-app> you could always try reverse engineering the software
[18:15] <binarical-app> ..........
[18:15] <AzaTht> ha ha
[18:15] <Tuv0k> zxc`, #ubuntu-bugs
[18:16] <Araneidae> A very odd change from Sarge to Hardy: my /media names have changed completely.
[18:16] <Araneidae> My CDROM used to be called /media/cdrom0, but now the name changed with each CD.
[18:16] <Araneidae> This is actually a right pain
[18:17] <AzaTht> lightscribe-1.12.37.1-linux-2.6-intel.deb
[18:17] <AzaTht> they released an deb 28' marcj
[18:17] <Araneidae> For example, `eject` no longer works.
[18:17] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, I have /media/cdrom0
[18:17] <AzaTht> http://www.lightscribe.com/downloadsection/linux/index.aspx?id=1372
[18:17] <swubo1> Araneidae:  Now that you mention it, mine's doing the same.  Worse, apparently every time I plug in my external, it creates a new directory, each time adding an underscore to the existing name.
[18:18] <SuperQ> Are there nightly hardy CD images that could use testing?
[18:18] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, with a symlink to /media/cdrom
[18:18] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, eject still works
[18:18] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, if its installed on your system
[18:18] <Araneidae> Tuv0k, I have the same ... but when I insert a CD it isn't mounted in /media/cdrom0
[18:19] <Araneidae> Do you have a /media/cdrom0 directory when nothing is in the CD drive?
[18:20] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, weird, yes
[18:20] <Araneidae> So at the moment I have /media/cdrom0 and /media/floppy0 (I wonder what that thinks it is!) and links
[18:20] <SuperQ> ok, g00g answered my question :)
[18:20] <Araneidae> So now I'll insert my CD
[18:20] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, might want to check your fstab?
[18:20] <Tuv0k> its for floppies of course
[18:21] <Tuv0k> I have a usb stick in as well @ /media/disk
[18:21] <Araneidae> Floppies.  Yes.  I wonder where they'll go? ;)
[18:21] <Tuv0k> SuperQ, gotta luv google
[18:21] <mrtimdog> ﻿Araneidae: what does 'eject -d' show.
[18:21] <Araneidae> So, floppy0 is in fstab
[18:21] <SuperQ> Tuv0k: :)
[18:21] <Araneidae> eject: default device: `cdrom`
[18:22] <Araneidae> However, my cd has mounted itself as /media/rtcw !
[18:22] <SuperQ> Get to install a nice shiny new Thinkpad T61 tonight
[18:22] <Tuv0k> >/media/rtcw ????
[18:22] <mrtimdog> ﻿Araneidae: and 'ls -sl /dev/cdrom' ?
[18:22] <Araneidae> mount says /dev/scd0 on /media/rtcw...
[18:22] <Araneidae> ls -ls /dev/cdrom
[18:22] <Araneidae> sorry
[18:23] <AzaTht> eh, Why does the "Hardware testing" give question about the keyboard?
[18:23] <Araneidae> No such file or directory.  Interesting...
[18:23] <AzaTht> it's not really you can utilize it if your keyboard isn't working
[18:23] <AzaTht> same for the mouse
[18:23] <swubo1> Araneidae:  At least you don't have eight different directories for the same external drive filling your /media directory, eh?
[18:23] <Araneidae> Very interesting.  My CD from is actually /dev/scd0, but fstab thinks it's on /dev/hdc
[18:24] <Araneidae> ls -l /dev/cdrom
[18:24] <Araneidae> ach
[18:24] <mrtimdog> ﻿Araneidae: Looks like an old fstab.
[18:24] <cwillu> Araneidae, 2.6.22 (or so) changed the subsystem used for ide devices, changing all the names from hd*'s to sd*'s
[18:24] <Araneidae> ahh -- but I have a /dev/dvd1
[18:25] <mrtimdog> ﻿Araneidae: Symlinked to? ...
[18:25] <Araneidae> well well: /dev/dvd1 => scd0
[18:25] <Araneidae> So.  Maybe all I have to do is hack fstab.
[18:25] <Tuv0k> yeah, I went through this a few weeks ago when I added a dvd rom
[18:25] <Tuv0k> yup
[18:26] <Araneidae> Well, come to think of that, I did that a week before the upgrade
[18:26] <Tuv0k> I had to create a dvd folder, symlink edit the fstab
[18:26] <Tuv0k> I hate doing it
[18:26] <Araneidae> yes, I'm wondering where eject picks it up from
[18:27] <Tuv0k> the symlink me thinks
[18:27] <Tuv0k> the fstab and mtab
[18:27] <mrtimdog> ﻿Araneidae: You should only need to change the fstab. You shouldn't need to change anything in /dev.
[18:27] <Araneidae> But which symlink: `eject -d` reports cdrom, but I can't think where that's specified.
[18:27] <Araneidae> Ok, quick fstab hack coming up...
[18:28] <Tuv0k> mrtimdog, yeah I did not touch /dev
[18:28] <Araneidae> Dodgy to touch /dev, as some of the devices are auto created
[18:28] <Tuv0k> just edited /media and fstab
[18:29] <AzaTht> Was going to try update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LightScribe
[18:29] <AzaTht> but it wont allow me
[18:29] <AzaTht> (hate wikis with lousy wiki software)
[18:29] <mrtimdog> On the subject of filesystems... Anyone managed to read a Acorn ADFS (RISCOS) 1.44M floppy image? Small change, but worth asking! (Yes, I've googled! ;)
[18:30] <mrtimdog> 'Small chance' even!
[18:30] <Tuv0k> negative
[18:30] <AzaTht> mrtimdog: 1.44?
[18:30] <AzaTht> does those exist still?
[18:31]  * cwillu had to walk somebody through plugging in a 3.5" floppy drive the other day
[18:31] <mrtimdog> ﻿AzaTht: I maybe wrong there, but I think it is. No, they don't, but I've just found a box from my loft of some old stuff I wrote about 20 years ago!
[18:31] <Tuv0k> cwillu, wow
[18:31] <AzaTht> hehe
[18:31] <swubo1> AzaTht: 1.44 nothin, I've got a working 5.25" in my machine.
[18:31] <Tuv0k> cwillu, how old were they? 16?
[18:31] <Araneidae> Well.  'mkdir /media/dvd0 && ln -s dvd0 /media/dvd' and pointing /dev/scd0 to /media/dvd0 seems to have worked
[18:31] <AzaTht> swubo1: I remember those
[18:32] <swubo1> Or, at least, I assume it works.  I haven't found a working diskette for it, so it's kind of anyone's guess.
[18:32] <Araneidae> Blast: `eject -d` still reports cdrom
[18:32] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, thats what I did
[18:32] <AzaTht> mrtimdog: isn't it just plug it in and read /dev/fd0?
[18:32] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, thats not unnormal
[18:32] <Araneidae> sigh.  Well, I'll live
[18:33] <Tuv0k> Araneidae, thats the default device
[18:33] <swubo1> AzaTht:  I think he's looking for a way to read an old filesystem, rather than the diskette itself.
[18:33] <mrtimdog> ﻿AzaTht: Yeah, I can read the raw image, but not mount it.
[18:33] <AzaTht> aha
[18:33] <AzaTht> I see
[18:33] <Tuv0k> but with the eject cmd you can specify which drive to eject
[18:33] <Araneidae> I wonder though if file system iso9660 is the right setting for /dev/dvd0
[18:33] <Araneidae> Well, I'm good for now
[18:34] <AzaTht> mrtimdog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Disc_Filing_System
[18:34] <mrtimdog> ﻿Araneidae: Use 'udf,iso9660'
[18:34] <Turski> *** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused  :/
[18:34] <Araneidae> Good: that's what I'd copied from /dev/cdrom0
[18:34] <flo_> Arrg. So i installed hardy and i can log in but after that my keaborad doesn't word (left half of the letters word basicly as if they were numpad) but that's it...
[18:34] <flo_> Any suggestions ?
[18:34] <tech0007> Turski: check if pulseaudio is running...ps aux | grep pulseaudio
[18:35] <AzaTht> mrtimdog: http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117259
[18:35] <Turski> turski   16498  0.0  0.0   3012   784 pts/3    S+   20:35   0:00 grep pulseaudio
[18:35] <swubo1> flo_:  Did you check that the keyboard is set to the correct layout?
[18:35] <tech0007> Turski:  so you have to manually start it...pulseaudio &
[18:35] <mrtimdog> ﻿AzaTht: Thanks, I've seen that. I've succeeded in reading type L and D, but not types E and E+ and F, which I'm assuming the format is in :(
[18:35] <AzaTht> kk
[18:36] <flo_> swubo1: jep even in xorg.conf
[18:36] <Turski> tech0007: doesnt that mean that it's running? O_o
[18:36] <AzaTht> mrtimdog: send them to norway then if you must have the data, (or have lots of $)
[18:36] <swubo1> flo_:  Oh.  Um... dunno then.
[18:36] <Turski> ah, it is just grep running? :P
[18:36] <tech0007> Turski: uhuh
[18:38] <AzaTht> mrtimdog: either that, or seek on a more hardcore place than ubuntu, there's probably more probabillity that someone around at debian can hack a hack
[18:38] <veloxid> hi: have hardy and want to start modprobe acpi_cpufreq but it tells me no such device
[18:39] <mrtimdog> ﻿AzaTht: Thanks, it's not anything urgent, just old memories! I may put some real effort into it at some time, before the disks become so old they're unreadable!
[18:39] <swubo1> mrtimdog:  You can read the raw data, right?  Even if you can't mount it, couldn't you copy the data to a more stable medium?
[18:39] <veloxid> any one who can help me with that prob?
[18:40] <AzaTht> herhe
[18:40] <mrtimdog> ﻿swubo1: I can and have some of them, but I've a fair few - most I've still to scrape the dust off!
[18:40] <swubo1> mrtimdog:  Good, good.  I mean, I'd hate to think of old memories just dying of bitrot like that.
[18:41] <mrtimdog> :)
[18:41] <swubo1> mrtimdog:  I still remember with utter horror the day I discovered that the diskettes for every single game I had as a child were corrupt.
[18:42] <Double_D> wtf?
[18:46] <AzaTht> ok, this is rather strange, but isn't the screensaver hell going to get fixed to hardy?
[18:46] <swubo1> Dark indeed was the afternoon I realized that Mickey Mouse's Space Adventure was gone forever.
[18:46] <AzaTht> there was a thread about it TWO years ago
[18:47] <veloxid> anyone who has time and can try to help me?
[18:48] <daekdroom> It'd be easier to just say what you need.
[18:48] <Tuv0k> !ask |veloxid
[18:48] <ubotu> veloxid: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[18:48] <jaffarkelshac> whats your problem, someone might be able to
[18:48] <veloxid> my centrino is clocked with 600 mhz all the time allthough i've a centrino-m 2ghz
[18:49] <Tuv0k> its called scaling
[18:49] <Tuv0k> use your machine, and see if it spikes to 2g
[18:50] <Tuv0k> use a cpu scaling applet to monitor
[18:50] <veloxid> the scaling isnt working
[18:50] <swubo1> veloxid:  So it's just stuck at 600mhz, regardless of how much load you're putting on it?
[18:50] <veloxid> jep
[18:50] <Tuv0k> how have to tested it?
[18:51] <daekdroom> powernowd is probally not set to ondemand
[18:51] <veloxid> started the performance monitor and started a program which is calculating a lot, the cpu load was on nearly 100% for a while
[18:52] <swubo1> You sure it didn't scale up to 2ghz while that was happening?
[18:52] <jaffarkelshac> i need to convert ogg files, and is there any good video editor?
[18:52] <veloxid> yes
[18:52] <Tuv0k> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=248867
[18:53] <Tuv0k> jaffarkelshac, avidumux
[18:53] <Tuv0k> (sp)
[18:53] <Tuv0k> jaffarkelshac, http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/
[18:54] <Tuv0k> best video editor I use
[18:54] <jaffarkelshac> thanks
[18:54] <Tuv0k> np
[18:55] <Tuv0k> veloxid, http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/11/04/enabling-cpu-frequency-scaling/
[18:55] <veloxid> if I do: "modprobe speedstep-centrino" it tells me error inserting speedstep_centrino: No such device
[18:55] <mnemo> my microphone isn't working... what info should I include in the bug report?
[18:56] <Tuv0k> not so sure its a bug
[18:56] <Tuv0k> maybe hardware related
[18:56] <Tuv0k> user related
[18:56] <Tuv0k> config related
[18:56] <veloxid> mhh k
[18:57] <swubo1> veloxid:  You could try turning off the SpeedStep option in your BIOS, if your BIOS lets you.
[18:58] <veloxid> no it doesnt let me
[18:58] <swubo1> Bugger.
[18:59] <AzaTht> is it to late to exclude gnome-screensaver for hardy?
[19:00] <topyli> AzaTht: yes. gnome-screensaver has been default for quite a while and still is
[19:01] <swubo1> veloxid:  Synaptic has a package called powersaved, it might help, but I honestly don't know.
[19:01] <veloxid> swubo1: just found something on a german side and now will test it
[19:01] <swubo1> Good luck.
[19:01] <AzaTht> topyli: it's borked beyond hell
[19:01] <topyli> AzaTht: quick! still time to fix :)
[19:01] <AzaTht> it should have been removed two years ago :(
[19:02] <topyli> AzaTht: and you mention it now?
[19:02] <swubo1> I wouldn't know, my cat hunts screensavers and I don't want him slashing the LCD.
[19:02] <AzaTht> topyli: it has been mentioned many times
[19:02] <topyli> AzaTht: yes there's always someone who misses xscreensaver
[19:03] <AzaTht> topyli: mostly that you can't make configurations in gnome-screensaver
[19:03] <unicum> got a question here.. i just set up an ubuntu 7.10 which came out of the box with lilo (alternate install). if i update to hardy, will this change it to grub or will it stay lilo?
[19:04] <hischild> unicum, probably stay at lilo
[19:04] <unicum> hischild: uhm.. since i finally got a "triple boot" working, which is better with lilo than grub.. a probably is not really the answer i'm looking for
[19:04] <topyli> AzaTht: you want more control, switch to the UI that provides it
[19:05] <hischild> unicum, well it's the best i can give you. And IMO i'd prefer grub for a triple boot
[19:05] <AzaTht> topyli: and yea, one major bug: the screensaver "matrix-view" has an "knoppix.ru" image ツ
[19:05] <AzaTht> topyli: xscreensaver-demo?
[19:06] <topyli> AzaTht: yeah. all you need to do is remove gnome-screensaver and install xscreensaver. it will show up in your menu just like gnome-ss
[19:06] <unicum> hischild.. usually grub will write over the mbr, wich is really not good trying to have macosx, winxp and linux on one hd
[19:07] <topyli> AzaTht: it's like whining about xchat-gnome when you can easily use whatever you like if you don't like the defaults :)
[19:07] <hischild> unicum, it will write over the mbr, but i know for a fact it can boot xp, vista and 2 versions of linux just fine. About mac i'm not sure.
[19:08] <daekdroom> When will RC be released?
[19:09] <unicum> hischild it's certainly right, that grub can do multi-boot, but since i'm using refit (refit.sourceforge.net) for booting and don't want to chainload (lilo is only there to initialize linux) i'm fine with lilo
[19:09] <hischild> unicum, i understand and i wish you the best of luck. I'm afraid i can't help out on it.
[19:10] <AzaTht> topyli: but isn't it bad if the default settings for an screensaver in gnome-screensaver makes ad for knoppix? ツ
[19:10] <murlidhar> so when is 8.10 coming out? :)
[19:10] <mnemo> 24th
[19:10] <unicum> hischild: plus: like a thousand howto's out there (on triple booting macs) say "don't use grub"
[19:10] <topyli> AzaTht: yes. report it as a bug
[19:10] <unicum> well, i'll just try, thx anyway
[19:10] <mnemo> murlidhar: 24th+6months
[19:11] <topyli> murlidhar: october
[19:11] <daekdroom> What's 8.10 codename?
[19:12] <topyli> itrepid ibex or something :\
[19:12] <swubo1> Indignant Ibis?
[19:12] <Turski> Intrepid Ibex i think...
[19:13] <topyli> intrepid ibex. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-February/025136.html
[19:13] <murlidhar> its intrepid ibex
[19:13] <swubo1> No accounting for taste, I guess.
[19:14] <jaffarkelshac> i just installled avidemux, all the format ogg is not in it
[19:14] <jaffarkelshac> i just installled avidemux, all the format ogg is not in it Tuv0k
[19:14] <Tuv0k> aye
[19:14] <Tuv0k> Thoggen creates ogg video
[19:15] <Tuv0k> jaffarkelshac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=329511
[19:15] <Kenshi_> Hello guys
[19:15] <Tuv0k> use google like I did
[19:16] <Tuv0k> !ask | Kenshi_
[19:16] <ubotu> Kenshi_: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[19:16] <Kenshi_> I have a question about ATI drivers on Hardy.
[19:16] <Kenshi_> I've installed fglrx by restricted drivers manager
[19:16] <Tuv0k> !restricted | Kenshi_
[19:16] <ubotu> Kenshi_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[19:17] <sweetsinse> anyone know why the "open with" applications list does not work for me in XFCE hardy/Gutsy? firefox 3
[19:18] <Kenshi_> And now, everytime i enable compiz, i get a white screen. When i try to detect the ATI driver, Ubuntu says that i'm using Mesa driver. Already have tried to reinstall, both by restricted drivers manager and Envy NG. None worked. What's happening? (ATI 9600 pro)
[19:18] <Tuv0k> nope, works fine here
[19:19] <sweetsinse> Tuv0k are you running xfce or gnome
[19:19] <AzaTht> topyli: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/22007
[19:19] <Tuv0k> xfce4
[19:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 22007 in gnome-screensaver "no 'Settings' button in gnome-screensaver" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[19:19] <sweetsinse> damn why isnt mine w3rking
[19:20] <sweetsinse> i cant get firefox to open anything
[19:20] <baffle> I have noticed a strange bug on my laptop (IBM T42) Hardy installation. "hald-addon-input" consumes all CPU and makes the system really sluggish until I kill it. Looking at strace outputs, it seems to fail polling one of the /dev/input/event1, wich seems to point to ../../devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input1/event1 .. Is this a known bug?
[19:20] <jaffarkelshac> what app do you guys use for podcasts
[19:20] <DaZ> Kenshi_: can you show me your xorg.conf
[19:20] <Tuv0k> sweetsinse, I think I know what you mena, and I think its because FF3 is not finished
[19:21] <Tuv0k> the applications list is empty right?
[19:21] <DaZ> ahh, i thought it's different channel, it's ubuntu fault then \o/
[19:21] <Tuv0k> save the file to the desktop then right click the file to associate it with the apropo app
[19:22] <topyli> AzaTht: thanks but i'm more than familiar with this discussion, as well as the one upstream
[19:22] <sweetsinse> yeah
[19:22] <sweetsinse> not a single thing in there...  but i remeber it working back on beta 1 or 2
[19:23] <sweetsinse> my system opens them fine
[19:23] <sweetsinse> its just ff3
[19:23] <Tuv0k> yeah, I thnk its just ff3
[19:23] <Tuv0k> nothing to be alramed by
[19:23] <topyli> AzaTht: upstream won't fix this bug because they don't think it is one. your only option is to use xscreensaver, which is easy enough to do
[19:23] <AzaTht> topyli: hehe
[19:24] <AzaTht> topyli: the xfx thingi then?
[19:24] <sweetsinse> but if it works for you in xfce4 then i am missing something
[19:24] <AzaTht> pretty much at the end
[19:24] <topyli> AzaTht: whet xfx thing?
[19:24] <Tuv0k> sweetsinse, it does not work for me, after understanding your question
[19:24] <topyli> what even
[19:25] <jaffarkelshac> what app do you guys use for podcasts
[19:25] <Tuv0k> jaffarkelshac, we heard you the first time
[19:25] <Tuv0k> !flood
[19:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[19:25] <Tuv0k> wron thing bot
[19:25] <sweetsinse> yeah...  it makes you manually find the app for every file, its suppose to pull from /etc/mime.types and ~/.local/share/applications/defaults.list
[19:26] <Tuv0k> sweetsinse, your right, it does not, maybe file a bug report?
[19:26] <AzaTht> topyli: xfx made a new screensaver setting program
[19:26] <jaffarkelshac> how was i suppose to know, and thats not flooding, i am just repeating Tuv0k
[19:26] <Tuv0k> I know its not flooding
[19:26] <topyli> AzaTht: nice. what's xfx
[19:26] <AzaTht> topyli: a dude
[19:26] <Tuv0k> but if you see the text, we do as well
[19:26] <diefordethklok> Hey, could anyway one tell me if this laptop would work with ubuntu? I have to buy it in the summer, and would like to put my one of my first distributions on it :). Here is a screenshot of the specs: http://i32.tinypic.com/2drx3wp.png
[19:26] <baffle> jaffarkelshac: Applications -> Add/Remove -> Search: podcast
[19:26] <topyli> AzaTht: so?
[19:27] <topyli> AzaTht: if it's good, use it
[19:27] <AzaTht> http://software.xfx.net/utilities/sss/index.htm
[19:27] <Kenshi_> Daz
[19:27] <Tuv0k> diefordethklok, it'd work
[19:27] <AzaTht> topyli: havn't tested it
[19:27] <diefordethklok> Good to know :) Thank you Tuv0k
[19:27] <Tuv0k> np
[19:27] <Tuv0k> most anything will work
[19:27] <ayllu> Hi, I get this bug whit synce in hardy "Couldn't display "synce:///". Nautilus cannot handle synce: locations." any ideas
[19:28] <jaffarkelshac> i only ask coz, banshee and rhythmbox are rubish really
[19:28] <Tuv0k> ayllu, google that error
[19:28] <AzaTht> gonna test it
[19:28] <Tuv0k> jaffarkelshac, are you trying to podcast or listen to podcast
[19:28] <diefordethklok> We're being forced to buy the laptop by my high school, and I still can't believe the idiots put norton av on it.
[19:28] <ayllu> i try it i get no anwser, i found some post, but no solution
[19:28] <veloxid> hey
[19:29] <Tuv0k> jaffarkelshac, miro you could try
[19:29] <jaffarkelshac> its a video podcast
[19:29] <swubo1> diefordethklok:  Your high school is making you buy a laptop with four gigs of RAM?
[19:29] <topyli> AzaTht: okay. looks like he added a properties button
[19:29] <ayllu> It seem a problem whit the new version of nautilus that replace genomefvs to gvfs
[19:29] <Tuv0k> jaffarkelshac, are you creating a podcast or subscribing to one?
[19:29] <veloxid> still have the problem with the speedstepping
[19:29] <jaffarkelshac> subscribing
[19:29] <swubo1> diefordethklok:  That's [guitar noise] brutal.
[19:30] <Tuv0k> miro
[19:30] <ayllu> but, i coudent get a solution, i tring to find it for several weeks, but it seem to be a wired problem
[19:31] <diefordethklok> swubo, Idk either
[19:32] <topyli> ayllu: there are protocols still unsupported by gvfs. not much you can do
[19:32] <veloxid> Tuv0k: u said it is a user or kernel setting error? have you an idea what to do?
[19:32] <ayllu> thenks
[19:33] <topyli> ayllu: obexfs is supported but doesn't work very well. ftpes:// is not supported. dav:// and davs:// are funky. even ftp:// was added only recently
[19:33] <Tuv0k> veloxid, I don't believe my comment was directed to you, I'm sorry
[19:33] <veloxid> ah ok
[19:33] <veloxid> sry
[19:33] <Tuv0k> :)
[19:35] <veloxid> i do not understand the problem cant tart powernowd, cpufreqd or anything else
[19:38] <alastair_> Here's an issue. In order to play wow and still be able to change desktop I have to turn all effects off. However, when I turn them all back on again, all my settings have reset.
[19:39] <teamcobra> hrm, what's the status of the b43 modules in the latest kernel? it seems 2.6.24-12 is the last version that properly loads them
[19:39] <gunashekar> yea
[19:40] <teamcobra> in the later kernels, I can modprobe the b43 driver, and dmesg doesn't give _any_ output
[19:40] <teamcobra> ok, just making sure I'm not the only one
[19:40] <gunashekar> i guess we all are stuck with the broadcom mess
[19:41] <diefordethklok> I've given up on linux gaming
[19:41] <alastair_> I find it better
[19:41] <diefordethklok> I just dual boot now
[19:41] <alastair_> I can be condescending to fellow gamers
[19:42] <alastair_> Since all I play is wow it's no issue ... except I can't change desktop
[19:42] <diefordethklok> Heh
[19:42] <diefordethklok> I play wow, test drive unlimited, portal, tf2, hl2, etc.
[19:42] <nemo> alastair_: Spring personally
[19:42] <gunashekar> teamcobra: i gave up reinstalling the frimware n stuff
[19:42] <alastair_> I'm used to turning compiz off to play wow, but I'm also used to it remembering my settings when I turn it back on again.
[19:44] <giggsey> How can I setup my dual monitors?
[19:44] <giggsey> At the moment, they are mirroring each other (stuck at 800x600), when they should be seperate, one 1600x1200 and the other 1024x768
[19:45] <diefordethklok> What drivers?
[19:45] <teamcobra> guna: it doesn't even seem to be related to the firmware
[19:45] <teamcobra> it seems like the module itself
[19:45] <diefordethklok> gfx card I mean
[19:45] <cvd-pr> its there awayn to make ubuntu shutdown after downloads the updates?
[19:46] <giggsey> diefordethklok, ati radeon
[19:46] <teamcobra> cvd-pr: I think there's an option in synaptic for that
[19:46] <teamcobra> I could be wrong
[19:46] <alastair_> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo shutdown -h now;
[19:46] <gunashekar> hmm
[19:46] <alastair_> :P
[19:47] <teamcobra> alastair: heh, the semicolon saves the day again
[19:47] <giggsey> alastair_, but when the sudo session expires because upgrade takes too long?
[19:47] <teamcobra> has saved me a lot of time in the past decade
[19:47] <swubo1> Well, at that point, couldn't you use su rather than sudo?
[19:48] <alastair_> giggsey: sudo su -
[19:48] <alastair_> then the same without the sudos
[19:48] <alastair_> actually that's not the preferred invocation any more is it?
[19:49] <Ravenkin>  Can someone help me?  Installed Hardy, have dual monitors and while updating went to so application that looked like it worked dual monitors, rebooted my computer and now the resoluations are completely messed up and I can't open screen resolution in system.
[19:50] <giggsey> Ravenkin, sort of the same problem, lol
[19:50] <teamcobra> giggsey/ravenkin: using the fglrx drivers?
[19:50] <Ravenkin> teamcobra how do I find that out?
[19:50] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone use vmware
[19:50] <Tuv0k> Ravenkin, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4712095
[19:50] <DJones> Ravenkin: Have you asked in #ubuntu+1, thats the main support channel for Hardy at the minute
[19:50] <Tuv0k> !vmware
[19:50] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[19:50] <giggsey> teamcobra, I'm using the ati drivers
[19:51] <swubo1> DJones:  This is ubuntu+1, isn't it?
[19:51] <unicum> hischild, you still there??
[19:51] <Ravenkin> DJones we're in #ubuntu+1
[19:51] <gunashekar> DJones: ????
[19:51] <teamcobra> Ravenkin, run glxinfo in a terminal
[19:51] <Tuv0k> !virtualizers | jaffarkelshac
[19:51] <ubotu> jaffarkelshac: There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[19:51] <DJones> sorry, too many tabs open
[19:51] <Gnine> irssi
[19:51] <teamcobra> it should _not_ say mesa dri
[19:52] <teamcobra> giggsey: isn't there an ati control center applet that controls dualhead?
[19:52] <giggsey> I dunno
[19:52] <Ravenkin> teamcobra ok now what?
[19:52] <jaffarkelshac> thanks Tuv0k
[19:52] <giggsey> aticonfig - *looks into it*
[19:52] <teamcobra> ravenkin: it says that you're using ati opengl drivers (or fglrx)
[19:52] <teamcobra> nop, not aticonfig
[19:52] <Tuv0k> np
[19:52] <teamcobra> it might be an extra package in hardy, 1 sec
[19:53] <unicum> or anyone here, know a bit about lilo? i just upgraded to hardy, but for some reason i'm still booting into gutsy. should i just "outcomment" the "vmlinuz.old"-part in lilo.conf?
[19:53] <Tuv0k> !lilo
[19:53] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li]nux Boot[Lo]ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[19:54] <bink486> how is the battery life with hardy?
[19:54] <unicum> i know about grub, but let's not get into this.. on the setup i'm having here, it's recommended to use lilo over grub
[19:54] <Tuv0k> gl
[19:54] <unicum> i just wanna know how to get hardy to boot
[19:54] <Tuv0k> you should know how to use your boot loader
[19:54] <Tuv0k> man lilo
[19:54] <Tuv0k> google lilo
[19:55] <unicum> i know how to google too.. i just found it helpful to ask questions directly to people who know..
[19:55] <swubo1> That is rather the point of this channel, I daresay.
[19:56] <Gnine> technically speaking that's not a 8.04 system issue
[19:56] <Tuv0k> ubuntu does not use lilo, is that hard to comprehend?
[19:56] <teamcobra> giggsey, ok.... looks like the only way to get the control center is to intall the ati drivers by hand (ati.amd.com)
[19:56] <Tuv0k> basically
[19:57] <orvokki> unicum: Something like #lilo might be a better channel if you have bootloader-spesific questions.
[19:58] <Gnine> !boot
[19:58] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[19:59] <Gnine> as you can see ubotu does even have info on lilo
[19:59] <sweetsinse> anyone got some ides why the "open with" applications list doesnt work in FF3
[19:59] <Gnine> not
[19:59] <gunashekar> !lilo
[19:59] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li]nux Boot[Lo]ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[19:59] <Tuv0k> sweetsinse, we've covered that
[19:59] <Tuv0k> its BETA
[20:00] <sweetsinse> so what
[20:00] <Gnine> !bug
[20:00] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[20:00] <Tuv0k> file a bug thne
[20:00] <bardyr> is jeos suppose to install openoffice and gimp?
[20:01] <sweetsinse> there is always a solution i will keep looking
[20:01]  * Tuv0k rolls eyes
[20:02] <gunashekar> keep looking.. there will be a solution one day
[20:02] <Gnine> JeOS is a specialized installation of Ubuntu Server Edition with a tuned kernel that only contains the base elements needed to run within a virtualized environment.
[20:02] <sweetsinse> the thing is im writing a scrtipt for my company
[20:02] <sweetsinse> i am trying to convert the whole office to xfce hady
[20:03] <Tuv0k> uh oh
[20:04] <gunashekar> good luck sweetsinse
[20:04] <Ubuntu--Newbie> Hi all I need a little help..
[20:04] <Tuv0k> lol
[20:04] <Tuv0k> I knew it
[20:04] <Ubuntu--Newbie> I installed VirtualBox from the Add/remove
[20:04] <Luckrider> so... sometime soon I am my friend is going to have me upgrade his virus infected windows comp to Ubuntu (after a demonstration from mine). I am going to use Hardy, but does nyone have instillation suggestions?
[20:04] <Tuv0k> !ask | Ubuntu--Newbie
[20:04] <ubotu> Ubuntu--Newbie: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[20:05] <sweetsinse> i have almost everything worked out... evolution works completely with our exchange server.. mail/calanders/GAL
[20:05] <Luckrider> I want to just throw the disk in so that his file transfer
[20:05] <Tuv0k> Luckrider, folow the prompts
[20:05] <Luckrider> so...
[20:05] <Luckrider> just throw the disk in
[20:05] <Luckrider> and let it roll
[20:05] <_Rambaldi_> you mean for installing ubuntu Ubuntu--Newbie
[20:05] <Tuv0k> you installed on your machine right?
[20:06] <Luckrider> ok, that sounds good to me, I installed mine from a fresh HDD
[20:06] <Ubuntu--Newbie> I have install virtual box from add/remove.....and I have set it up.....but now when I click start, I am getting the following error:
[20:06] <Ubuntu--Newbie> VirtualBox kernel driver not installed. The vboxdrv kernel module was either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason. Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel, e.g. virtualbox-ose-modules-generic..
[20:06] <Ubuntu--Newbie> VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED).
[20:06] <Ubuntu--Newbie> what should i do
[20:06] <Luckrider> !vbox
[20:06] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[20:06] <Luckrider> try that chan Ubuntu--Newbie
[20:06] <boolka> Are Ubuntu and Xubuntu 100% alike except ubuntu have Gnome and xubuntu have Xfce?
[20:06] <Tuv0k> thats why I use the virtualbox package from the site
[20:06] <Ubuntu--Newbie> ok
[20:07] <Ubuntu--Newbie> is there any other better VM out there?
[20:07] <Tuv0k> it comes with /etc/init.d/vbox
[20:07] <Ubuntu--Newbie> I plan to run Windows XP
[20:07] <Tuv0k> !virtualization | Ubuntu--Newbie
[20:07] <Ubuntu--Newbie> so is virtual box a good option?
[20:07] <ubotu> Ubuntu--Newbie: There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[20:08] <Gnine> !vbox | this link might help
[20:08] <ubotu> this link might help: virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[20:08] <binarical-ap1> can anyone tell my why webmin isnt working on my sever, it is set up, port 10000 is forwarded
[20:08] <Tuv0k> boolka, not really, I don't get caught up in that name garbage. I just use a server install cd, and then apt-get whatever desktop environ you prefer
[20:09] <Tuv0k> it maintains continuity
[20:09] <boolka> so they are acutaly different distros?
[20:09] <Tuv0k> unfortunately
[20:09] <binarical-ap1> im sorry but my server is headless, also forwading x is not an option, since the server is quite slow
 thats why I use the virtualbox package from the site   -- can i do that too? can you tell me from where and how i can install it directly from their site?
[20:09] <Tuv0k> Ubuntu--Newbie, dude, they have a webpage you know?
[20:09] <Tuv0k> Use the gutsy package
[20:10] <_Rambaldi_> !mockup
[20:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mockup - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:10] <binarical-ap1> !webmin
[20:10] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead.
[20:10] <Tuv0k> boolka, check ubuntu's webpage for the detail
[20:10] <binarical-ap1> !ebox
[20:10] <ubotu> ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See the plans for Hardy at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EboxSpec
[20:10] <Tuv0k> wow ebox
[20:10] <Tuv0k> I still use webmin, ouch
[20:11] <linkinxp> guys where i put my fonts?
[20:12]  * Tuv0k removing webmin
[20:12] <Tuv0k> binarical-ap1, thx!
[20:12] <binarical-ap1> thanks ubotu
[20:12] <binarical-ap1> thou wonderfull bot
[20:12] <Tuv0k> I learned something w00t!
[20:13] <jaek> anyone else having trouble with mozilla-xine and mozilla-plugin-vlc?
[20:13] <jaek> i tried both of those packages, and neither loaded with FF
[20:14] <Tuv0k> jaek, don't use those, but mozilla-mplayer won't play so long as mplayer is running
[20:14] <jaek> yes i have mozilla-mplayer working (as well as it works anyways)
[20:14] <Tuv0k> jaek, they did not work for me either, which is why I use the mplayer plugin
[20:14] <jaek> hmm, i wonder if there is an open ticket for them
[20:15] <Tuv0k> I have not checked
[20:16] <jaek> hmm i wonder if totem-mozilla can play mov files with mp4 video and aac audio (youtube)
[20:16] <blueyed> Is /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ suddenly gone?
[20:17] <swubo1> blueyed:  I do not appear to have such a directory.
[20:17] <teamcobra> hrm, *goes off to install ebox*
[20:17] <Tuv0k> jaek, should be able to
[20:17] <blueyed> swubo1: It used to be there for me.. giving a userspace interface to powernow_k8.
[20:18] <swubo1> blueyed:  I have no idea whether I ever had that directory or not, but I can definitively say I don't know.
[20:19] <blueyed> swubo1: what's in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuidle/current_driver for you?
[20:19] <blueyed> (I have acpi_idle there)
[20:19] <swubo1> blueyed:  gedit refuses to open it.
[20:20] <blueyed> swubo1: try "cat" in a terminal
[20:20] <nemo> :)
[20:20] <swubo1> blueyed:  acpi_idle, same as you.
[20:21] <blueyed> swubo1: what cpu do you have?
[20:21] <swubo1> blueyed:  AMD64 X2.
[20:21] <nastas> does anyone knows how to connect Nokia phone in my pc?
[20:21] <BHSPitMonkey> My openoffice.org-common and openoffice.org-core packages won't install because they conflict
[20:21] <BHSPitMonkey> halp?
[20:23] <Tuv0k> ebox looks cool
[20:28] <Luckrider> hey... I want to add a login screen, I have one, but I want to know how to compile it so that it can add it to the Ligin window configuration. help is appreciated
[20:29] <nemo> Luckrider: not sure what you mean by that...
[20:30] <Luckrider> I went and downloaded a login theme, and I want to add it to login window Preferences
[20:30] <nemo> Luckrider: are you trying to add a theme to GDM ?
[20:30] <Luckrider> yes
[20:30] <nemo> Do you use Gnome?
[20:30] <Luckrider> yes
[20:31] <Luckrider> although I do have KDE with y install
[20:31] <Luckrider> *my
[20:31] <nemo> Luckrider: why are you not just using the Add button under System->Administration->Login Window ?
[20:31] <Luckrider> I do add
[20:31] <nemo> aka gdmsetup
[20:31] <Luckrider> and it is not seen
[20:31] <blueyed> swubo1: bug 205087
[20:31] <Luckrider> i think it needs to be compiled
[20:32] <Luckrider> I had to compile it when installed it on Fiesty
[20:32] <blueyed> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/205087
[20:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205087 in linux "cpufreq dirs in /sys don't show up" [Undecided,New]
[20:32] <Killeroid> Luckrider: there is a bug with gdmsetup, it will take about 5 minutes after you start it before the gui shws
[20:32] <nemo> themes don't require compilation AFAIK
[20:32] <Luckrider> ok
[20:32] <nemo> Luckrider: might also want to run gdmsetup from terminal to see if it is complaining quietly I guess.
[20:33] <Luckrider> ok
[20:33] <Luckrider> let me try that
[20:33] <Luckrider> that might help
[20:33] <Luckrider> I downloaded a tar.gz file
[20:33] <Luckrider> and extracted it
[20:33] <boolka> How come when I connect my laptop to lcd monitor via VGA cable it works. But when I use a VGA to RCA/svideo converter cable, it dont work? Do i have to modify the x.org file?
[20:34] <ader10> I installed windows, put grub back on, but I can't find out how to (automatically?) update the grub list. I tried editing /boot/grub/menu.lst and doing grub-update but it's not working
[20:34] <Luckrider> that is the same manager i have been using nemo
[20:34] <Luckrider> it is not working
[20:35] <swubo1> blueyed:  Well, there you go.
[20:35] <Luckrider> oh
[20:35] <Luckrider> wait
[20:35] <Luckrider> I need the rar file
[20:35] <Killeroid> Luckrider: what are you trying to do?
[20:35] <Luckrider> that is what worked
[20:35] <Luckrider> install a login theme
[20:35] <linkinxp> guys how i change the sound at the beginning ???
[20:36] <Killeroid> Luckrider: start gdm, selec the local tab, click on add, naviagte to where the log.theme.tar.gz is found and select it
[20:36] <Luckrider> thanks nemo
[20:36] <linkinxp> nvm
[20:36] <swubo1> linkinxp: System>Preferences>Sound>Sounds
[20:36] <Luckrider> it is working now killeroid
[20:36] <linkinxp> swubo1:  lol thanks too obvious
[20:37] <swubo1> linkinxp:  No such thing!  There is merely the sufficiently obvious.
[20:37] <linkinxp> so let me get this straight! GDM is the login window! Metacity is the Looking for windows in general? and GTK????
[20:37] <linkinxp> swubo1:  true
[20:38] <_Rambaldi_> !tar
[20:38] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (GNOME) or Ark (KDE) - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[20:38] <nemo> linkinxp: GTK is equiv of windows MFC.
[20:38] <linkinxp> MFC?
[20:38] <linkinxp> !MFC
[20:38] <nemo> is what draws the widgets and does messaging and whatnot
[20:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mfc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:38] <linkinxp> nemo:  humm
[20:38] <ader10> Is there a way to automatically update the grub menu? I installed windows and overwrote the mbr with grub but am not sure how to easily get windows on the list
[20:39] <daekdroom> Explorer = metacity
[20:39] <linkinxp> i see
[20:39] <nemo> linkinxp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK+
[20:39] <nemo> daekdroom: wellll
[20:39] <nemo> daekdroom: doesnt Explorer = Nautilus ? :)
[20:39] <nemo> oh
[20:39] <nemo> right. windows combines the two
[20:39] <daekdroom> nemo: No. That's windows explorer
[20:40] <linkinxp> nemo:  yes i read that but i prefer someone to answer me :D
[20:40] <ader10> Is there a way to automatically update the grub menu? I installed windows and overwrote the mbr with grub but am not sure how to easily get windows on the list
[20:40] <nemo> daekdroom: if I kill explorer.exe - I lose my WM
[20:40] <daekdroom> nemo: that's why Explorer = metacity
[20:40] <nemo> daekdroom: if I run explorer.exe inside my WM under windows it opens the equiv of what I'd get if I run nautilus under windows
[20:40] <nemo> daekdroom: thus my confusion
[20:40] <linkinxp> ader10:  dunno
[20:40] <nemo> s/nautilus under windows/nautilus under metacity/
[20:41] <daekdroom> explorer runs both windows explorer and the workspace
[20:41] <_Rambaldi_> !grub | ader10
[20:41] <nemo> daekdroom: ok. sooo. wasn't that what I said? :)
[20:41] <ubotu> ader10: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[20:41] <nemo> 15:39 < nemo> right. windows combines the two
[20:41] <daekdroom> nemo: I didn't get it that way
[20:41] <nemo> anyway :)
[20:42] <linkinxp> so what's emerald?
[20:42] <nemo> funny how the GTK+ logo calls to mind the windows logo
[20:42] <daekdroom> emerald is like GNOME, but it's meant to run under compiz.
[20:42] <swubo1> Emerald is like Metacity, not like GNOME.
[20:42] <linkinxp> mmm i have to install it to use any of the themes?
[20:42] <nemo> emerald is like gtk-window-decorator  :)
[20:42] <linkinxp> ex. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Mint+Kore+for+Emerald?content=78430
[20:42] <linkinxp> ?
[20:43] <ader10> _Rambaldi_: It does not explain well what to do to get windows on the list. All I have to do is save the menu.lst?
[20:43] <binarical-ap1> ebox is sweet
[20:44] <binarical-ap1> !ebox
[20:44] <ubotu> ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See the plans for Hardy at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EboxSpec
[20:44] <binarical-ap1> hmmmm ummm where can i find its bugs
[20:44] <_Rambaldi_> i see ader10. so you cant boot into windows at all ader10
[20:45] <swubo1> ader10:  You have to edit menu.lst so that the Windows entry is listed.
[20:45] <Lamego> ader10, yes you just need to add the windows entry following the example
[20:45] <_Rambaldi_> there is a windows entry in the menu.lst anyway ader10
[20:45] <swubo1> ader10: I'd recommend putting it before the automagic section; that way even if you update Ubuntu and menu.lst gets automatically updated, Windows won't get overwritten or removed.
[20:46] <ader10> Thank you _Rambaldi_, swubo1, and Lamego
[20:46] <swubo1> ader10:  Then, in menu.lst, set your default entry to either 0 or 1, depending on whether you want Ubuntu or Windows to default.
[20:46] <binarical-app> can i get ebox to run similarly to my terminal?
[20:47] <cyrax> At boot time I get: "Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000001 RIP:"... Also, maybe because of this, HAL doesn't work (No apparent error)...
[20:48] <cyrax> Oh, the boot time problem seems to be: [<ffffffff88affac4>] :snd_pcm:snd_pcm_info+0x44/0x110
[20:48] <cyrax> snd_pcm
[20:49] <cyrax> Any idea why..?
[20:49] <linkinxp> i found this tools Art Manager awesome tool :P
[20:51] <yacc> Just wondering, what is the recommended tool for establishing an Internet connection via UMTS/GPRS?
[20:53] <phaidros> where do I find out with which flags a binary got compiled? (eg. if elinks knows javascript)
[20:53] <phaidros> yacc: wvdial
[20:53] <phaidros> (at least I used it)
[20:53] <phaidros> (successfully)
[20:54] <phaidros> the gnome-frontend is worth a try, but I had to fiddle alot. so I just have chosen wvdial
[20:55] <nemo> phaidros: like vi I believe elinks dumps that
[20:55] <nemo> phaidros: elinks --version
[20:55] <yacc> phaidros: yeah, but I somehow have hopped for a more enduser oriented one. (I've got a working wvdial.conf from my old Debian install, covering my 3x3 matrix of situations (3 devices 3 networks *g*).
[20:55] <phaidros> nemo: the actual 0.11.3 in hardy seems not to support it ..
[20:56] <phaidros> nemo: how is that related to vi ?
[20:57] <swubo1> phaidros:  I believe he was saying that in vi, as well, --version will result in dumps of the compiling flags.
[20:58] <phaidros> ack.
[20:58] <phaidros> so, where do I get an javascript enabled elinks?
[20:58] <phaidros> there was something with apt-get source $foo && dpkg-something ..
[21:03] <nemo> phaidros: http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/html/manual.html-chunked/ch01s06.html
[21:03] <nemo> JFGI'd
[21:04] <susen> h0131
[21:06] <_Rambaldi_> how do i xtract a bunch of tar.gz files, i know how to for single files, my question is how to for all the files
[21:06] <phaidros> thanks nemo
[21:06] <phaidros> tar xfvz *.gz ?
[21:06] <Tuv0k> man tar?
[21:07] <Tuv0k> guess man is outdated?
[21:07] <orvokki> Might want to have rather *.tar.gz to make sure you don't try to unarchive a file that's only gzipped.
[21:07] <phaidros> hehe
[21:07] <_Rambaldi_> i get, tar:Error exit delayed from previous erros
[21:08] <Tuv0k> man does come with ubunut right?
[21:08] <Tuv0k> lol "ubunut"
[21:08] <swubo1> Tuv0k:  Yes, but not everyone necessarily knows that.
[21:08] <Tuv0k> swubo1, do they care?
[21:08] <phaidros> what the heck is documentation? pffff ...
[21:08] <swubo1> Tuv0k:  Not until it matters, generally.  Then they ask.
[21:09] <Tuv0k> right
[21:09] <Tuv0k> ubuntu is one of the most heavily documented distros
[21:09] <swubo1> Well, if you really want to be snarky about it, why not suggest that they type 'man man'?
[21:09] <Tuv0k> google searches for generic linux stuff usually reveals ubuntu related post at the top
[21:10] <_Rambaldi_> is there a command to extract by wildcards?
[21:10] <almostdvs> does anyone here know how to clean out all the entries that keep building up in the grub?
[21:10] <swubo1> almostdvs:  If you open menu.lst, you can set the number of entries that will be listed.
[21:10] <Tuv0k> there is qgrubmenu
[21:11] <Tuv0k> startupmenu
[21:11] <cyclonut> anyone got a good eye for UI here?
[21:11] <swubo1> almostdvs:  It's set be default to include every kernel you have, but you can insert an integer to include only the most recent few.
[21:11] <nemo> Tuv0k: gman + ghostview :)
[21:11] <Tuv0k> nice
[21:11] <Tuv0k> google has moset manpages
[21:11] <Tuv0k> most
[21:12] <nemo> Tuv0k: which works like crap for actually using - but is pretty handy for printing
[21:12] <almostdvs> swubo1: will it rename my other partition
[21:12] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Pardon?  No, I don't see why it would.
[21:13] <almostdvs> it used to be /media/disk/...  now it's up to /media/disk-9/...
[21:13] <Tuv0k> those are usbstick mount points
[21:13] <nemo> Tuv0k: if you want a web version, gman supports browsing too
[21:13] <Tuv0k> you have disk-9 because you are not cleanly unmounting your removable drives
[21:13] <nemo> Tuv0k: you need to apt-get install man2html
[21:13] <Tuv0k> nemo, I know;)
[21:14] <swubo1> almostdvs:  The option I'm referring to begins with "## controls how many kernels should be put into the menu.lst"  if you change it from 'all' to a reasonable number, it will reduce the number of entries grub generates automagically.  Partition names won't get invovled.
[21:15] <Tuv0k> swubo1, looks like he is using removable drives?
[21:15] <almostdvs> ok,  so i guess what i'm asking is how i get rid of the older kernels altogether then
[21:15] <Tuv0k> almostdvs, carefully
[21:15] <Tuv0k> remove them from synaptic, or you will have issues later with residuals
[21:16] <Tuv0k> been there, done that
[21:16] <swubo1> almostdvs:  If you follow my suggestion, your older kernels won't appear in grub.  They'll still exist, but they won't clutter grub after it automagically generates.
[21:16] <Ragnarel> I just erased old kernel and cleaned menu.lst
[21:16] <Tuv0k> then once they are removed from synaptic, you can remove then traditionally physically
[21:16] <Ragnarel> is not problem with that, true?
[21:16] <swubo1> Nope, I don't imagine much of a problem with it.
[21:17] <Tuv0k> Ragnarel, does synaptic still show residual kernel configs?
[21:17] <Tuv0k> swubo1, there is
[21:17] <almostdvs> umm...
[21:17] <Tuv0k> residual configs
[21:17] <Ragnarel> Tuv0k, no
[21:17] <swubo1> That's a valid point.
[21:17] <Tuv0k> they will still be in synaptic, and if you go to purge it will not, because the directories will not be found, because of the manual rm
[21:17] <Ragnarel> I erased it manually because I don't found it on dpkg/apt
[21:18] <swubo1> So, again, just seems easier to me to adjust the settings on automagic configuration of menu.lst and then run sudo update-grub.
[21:18] <Tuv0k> Ragnarel, your cool then
[21:18] <swubo1> No risk, but no clutter either.
[21:18] <Tuv0k> true
[21:18] <swubo1> Besides, maybe those ancient kernels will come in handy some day.
[21:19] <almostdvs> so... i go to synaptic search for (???) and remove them and then i go to (???) and remove them there also  and then i go to menu.lst and clean that up?
[21:19] <swubo1> For what, I don't know, but it's not like they're hogging a huge amount of HDD space.
[21:19] <nemo> I'm wishing I'd kept some of 'em around after wireless stopped working.
[21:19] <swubo1> almostdvs:  If you remove the kernels and the configurations, you shouldn't have to clean menu.lst manually, sudo update-grub will just regenerate it.
[21:20] <swubo1> And if you remove the kernels but not the configurations, then clean up menu.lst manually, they'll all reappear there next time Ubuntu updates your kernel.
[21:20] <almostdvs> ok,  can you fill in my question marks then
[21:21] <swubo1> almostdvs:  ...you sure you don't want to try editing menu.lst first?  Do you have a dual boot system, or just Ubuntu?
[21:23] <almostdvs> dual boot  and my music, pictures such are on windows, so exaile and other libraries don't know where there files are
[21:23] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Do you have Windows in menu.lst as a static option, outside the automagic area?
[21:23] <susen> h01310131013101310131013101310131
[21:23] <orvokki> Ew.
[21:26] <swubo1> almostdvs:  If you don't, move it there.  Then, find "# howmany=all" --make sure you're looking at the real one with the single pound sign, and not the example with two.  Change all to a reasonable number, like 1, 2, or 3.
[21:27] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Save menu.lst, then run sudo update-grub.
[21:28] <swubo1> almostdvs:  After you've done that, your menu.lst should (even after a kernel update) always show the number of different kernels you've indicated, plus Windows.
[21:28] <Exilant> remove the kernels if the current one works fine, a kernel is ~ 120 Megs
[21:29] <Exilant> search for linux-image and remove the old ones
[21:29] <swubo1> Or do it that way.
[21:29] <Exilant> it will arn you if you try to remove the current one, so it's rather safe
[21:29] <Exilant> s/arn/warn/
[21:30] <almostdvs> swubo1: i'm not sure what you mean by moving windows outside the automagic area
[21:30] <almostdvs> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63220/
[21:30] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Read menu.lst.  You'll see a line that reads, "### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST"
[21:31] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Put the boot stanza for your Windows install just above that line.  Then, whenever grub updates itself, Windows will always be left alone, and remain first on the list.
[21:32] <swubo1> almostdvs:  At the end of the file, there's a line that reads, "### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST"  You could also put Windows after that.
[21:33] <Exilant> i think in conjunction with savedefault it's better to put it before the automagic list
[21:33] <norman72> hi there
[21:33] <Fritzel> what is the kernel source package called so I can install it, and where does it put it?
[21:34] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Sorry, didn't notice your pastebin.  Windows is already outside the automagic area on your menu.lst.
[21:34] <almostdvs> i have no idea...
[21:35] <almostdvs> i can edit how many can somebody clean up whatever it is i'm trying to get?
[21:36] <swubo1> almostdvs: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63221/
[21:36] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Look at line 113, that's the only change I made to your menu.lst.
[21:37] <swubo1> I changed 'all' to '1'.  Try making that change to your menu.lst, saving it, and then running sudo update-grub.
[21:37] <almostdvs> ok, but this will still keep renaming my windows partition correct?
[21:37] <swubo1> It won't affect your Windows entries.
[21:38] <swubo1> But, it never hurts to back up your menu.lst before you do this.  Worst comes to worst, you can always go back.
[21:38] <norman72> i have a problem with ubuntu 8.04 and flash9/firefox - i have no sound. wiki.ubuntuusers.de doesn't support hardy at this time
[21:39] <almostdvs> no, it already affects my windows entries "it used to be /media/disk/... now it's up to /media/disk-9/...
[21:39] <norman72> is there another website where i can find informations for solving this problem?
[21:39] <swubo1> almostdvs:  The end result of this, however, should be that when you into grub, it will list only the current kernel, the recovery mode, memtest86+, XP, and NT.
[21:39] <Tuv0k> ebox aint webmin
[21:39] <Tuv0k> ugh
[21:39] <almostdvs> yes, i get that
[21:39] <swubo1> almostdvs:  That's not a grub issue.
[21:40] <almostdvs> that's why i changed my question earlier
[21:40] <almostdvs> i want to get rid of the older kernels
[21:40] <swubo1> almostdvs:  Getting rid of older kernels won't help you with the disk-1 through disk-9 problem.
[21:41] <Tuv0k> I said so earlier
[21:43] <Kill_X> anyone able to confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-volume-manager/+bug/217412 ?
[21:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217412 in gnome-volume-manager "mountpoints of removable drives or CDs/DVDs are not removed when media has been ejected" [Undecided,New]
[21:44] <Kill_X> my /media folder is like crowded :D
[21:45] <Tuv0k> the media has to be lceanly unmounted
[21:45] <almostdvs> so... i'm not sure what it is i want to do...
[21:46] <swubo1> Well, one could always unmount the Windows drives, and then remove all the relevant mount points.
[21:46] <Kill_X> that's not an option
[21:46] <swubo1> How not, Kill_X?
[21:47] <Kill_X> this should be done automatically, in my opinion
[21:47] <swubo1> Kill_X:  True, but isn't.
[21:47] <Kill_X> so it's clearly a bug, isn't it? :)
[21:47] <swubo1> It.  It isn't.  Damned subjectless sentences.
[21:47] <swubo1> Kill_X:  Quite clearly.
[21:48] <Tuv0k> ebox is terrible
[21:48] <swubo1> Kill_X:  Nevertheless, if one is burdened with an over-adundance of redundant mount points, one must clean it up somehow, regardless of whether one ought to have to or not.
[21:48]  * Tuv0k apt-get purge ebox
[21:48] <binarical-app> how can i fix this : Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/gconf2_1%3a2.8.1-1warp_i386.debE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[21:49] <Kill_X> swubo1, agreed :)
[21:49] <Tuv0k> just rm the  dir
[21:50] <swubo1> Tuv0k:  Yep.  Works like a charm.
[21:50] <DevonSix> hi everyone
[21:50] <Kill_X> for sure
[21:50] <DevonSix> i have a problem with my hardy :/
[21:50] <DevonSix> anything connected to it with USB isnt working
[21:50] <Kill_X> but doing that everytime you unmount a non-static volume tends to get really annoying =)
[21:50] <Tuv0k> !ask | DevonSix
[21:50] <ubotu> DevonSix: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[21:51] <swubo1> Kill_X:  I just had to do it on a *static* volume, which is a little ridiculous.
[21:51] <DevonSix> ubotu: no prob :)
[21:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about no prob :) - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:51] <Kill_X> swubo1, how come?
[21:51] <boritek> hello i empty list in jockey-gtk
[21:52] <swubo1> Kill_X:  The electrics in my house are unfit to run lightbulbs, let alone PC's.
[21:52] <boritek> i have*
[21:52] <Kill_X> swubo1, lol
[21:52] <swubo1> Kill_X:  So I'd imagine my NTFS partition wasn't cleanly unmounted the last time one of my housemates tried to microwave something.
[21:52] <boritek> so i dont have 3d at all
[21:52] <Fritzel> would this be the installed source directory? I wasn't expecting to see "headers" in the directory, but I'm not seeing anything else that looks right/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic/
[21:53] <Kill_X> swubo1, maybe you'd like to add this to the bugreport, too
[21:53] <swubo1> What's the bugreport number?
[21:53] <Kill_X> 217412
[21:53] <binarical-app> is ebox faulty to hardy?
[21:53] <BlakeSmith> Anyone else having trouble changing desktop icons?
[21:55] <BlakeSmith> I get no output when running gnome-appearance-properties and changing the settings, either
[21:55] <Kill_X> BlakeSmith, no, works quite cleanly, here
[21:55] <BlakeSmith> Also, there are no icons in my menu.
[21:55] <swatTX> Everytime there is an update for hardy I always get this 'partial update' prompt that never does any updates. Ideas?
[21:56] <BlakeSmith> Hmm, maybe I'll try deleting some settings files and giving it another shot.
[21:56] <Tuv0k> binarical-app, ebox is just slow and not as full featured as webmin
[21:56] <topyli> swatTX: yes. run synaptic instead, you'll note that it removes some packages
[21:56] <Kill_X> BlakeSmith, I was about to suggest that :)
[21:56] <BlakeSmith> haha
[21:56] <Tuv0k> binarical-app, don't know why I listened to uninstalling webmin, it works just fine under ubuntu
[21:57] <BlakeSmith> It started a week or so, but I figured I'd let some updates come in and see if that fixed it, no dice.
[21:57] <Kill_X> swatTX, what happens if you run 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' within a terminal window?
[21:57] <Tuv0k> you get upgraded
[21:57] <Tuv0k> what else?
[21:57] <Tuv0k> man apt
[21:58] <Kill_X> Tuv0k, obviouslyhe has some problems
[21:58] <BlakeSmith> What self-respecting Vulcan would be so brash?
[21:58] <Tuv0k> ha
[21:58] <Tuv0k> one who came in on the tail end of a question apparently
[21:58] <swatTX> Kill_X, i'll try that and let you know.
[21:58] <BlakeSmith> lol
[21:58] <Tuv0k> :)
[21:58] <Tuv0k> my apologies
[21:58] <Kill_X> ;)
[21:59] <swatTX> topyli, Synaptic isn't coming up. I don't see it in the system monitor either.
[22:00] <Fritzel> !kernel
[22:00] <Tuv0k> something is weird with xmms2d lately
[22:00] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[22:00] <Tuv0k> heavy cpu usage
[22:00] <topyli> swatTX: strange
[22:00] <Tuv0k> it does not die, just stops playing and overloads
[22:01] <swatTX> topyli, I've tried it a few times too... System->Admin-> Syanptic... just doesn't start to run
[22:01] <nemo> Tuv0k: audacious :-p
[22:02] <Tuv0k> I have it
[22:02] <swatTX> Kill_X, hmmm, when i run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade terminal returns -> sudo: unable to resolve host
[22:02] <Tuv0k> its not the same as having a media daemon running
[22:02] <jaffarkelshac> !themes
[22:02] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[22:02] <jaffarkelshac> !themes
[22:02] <Tuv0k> and I don't like the audacious team
[22:03] <swubo1> Kill_X:  Commented on the bugreport.
[22:03] <Kill_X> swatTX, what did you do exactly?
[22:04] <swubo1> Interestingly, I notice that my problem is slightly different from the original posters, but I'm running Ubuntu on different architecture.
[22:04] <Kill_X> I'm the original poster ;)
[22:05] <Kill_X> interesting, that you don't experience that one with optical discs
[22:05] <Kill_X> so far I got different mount points for the hardy install cd
[22:05] <zero__> hey, how do i upgrade from 7.10 stable to 8.04 beta?
[22:06] <swubo1> Kill_X:  I also got disk, disk-1, and disk-2 for the NTFS partition.
[22:06] <swubo1> Instead of disk, _disk, and __disk.
[22:06] <Kill_X> zero__, if you have 10 days left, wait until you get notified about a distribution upgrade viathe update manager
[22:06] <swatTX> Kill_X, i opened up a term window and typed what you suggested. that was the response i got.
[22:07] <topyli> swatTX: what does it say when you run it from the terminal? gksudo synaptic
[22:07] <zero__> Kill_X why should i have to wait?
[22:08] <jaffarkelshac> can someone help in installing themes, there is no read me in the downloads
[22:08] <swubo1> zero__: I think he probably means that it may not be worth exposing yourself to unfixed bugs and other potential problems to save ten days of waiting.
[22:08] <Luckrider> what type of theme?
[22:09] <Luckrider> jaffarkelshac?
[22:09] <Kill_X> zero__, 8.04 s still in development stage, upgrading on a production machine is not recommended. If you want to help testing 8.04 you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file to access Hardy repositories instead of Gutsy
[22:09] <zero__> is that the only way to get it as of now?
[22:09] <jaffarkelshac> gnome-look.org but i am uncertain how to install the gdm themes Luckrider
[22:10] <Luckrider> um... the login window?
[22:10] <Kill_X> another way would be to download a 8.04 cd, burn and insert it
[22:10] <Luckrider> if it is the login window, just click add, the find the tar.gz file through browse
[22:10] <Luckrider> Jaffarkelshac
[22:10] <Kill_X> it should be automatically recognized as an upgrade disc
[22:11] <T1m0thy> Eh, what's the link to the ftp of the Hardy packages?
[22:11] <jaffarkelshac> oh so no need to extract it, cheers Luckrider
[22:11] <Luckrider> Jaffarkelshac, when you do that, it will
[22:11] <Luckrider> exactly
[22:12] <Luckrider> I did the same thing
[22:12] <Luckrider> i extracted
[22:12] <Luckrider> but it is unnecesarry
[22:12] <Kill_X> swubo1, very interesting, perhaps this one is an upstream bug
[22:12] <swatTX> topyli, i think i've got some network problem. i keep getting unable to resolve host *****
[22:13] <swubo1> Kill_X:  Quite possibly.  Does Hardy use a different version of gnome-volume-manager than Gutsy did?
[22:14] <Kill_X> I think so, since hardy introduces a whole new gnome release
[22:14] <Kill_X> dunno, which one is used @ gutsy, hardy uses 2.22
[22:15] <negge> I'm getting really really pissed right now...
[22:15] <orvokki> Kill_X: Which package?
[22:15] <negge> i used aticonfig to enable tv-out to watch a movie
[22:15] <negge> everything worked fine
[22:15] <swubo1> Kill_X:  I can't see a stable release of GNOME going out with a bug like this, though.
[22:15] <negge> but after I rebooted I can't use a resolution higher than 1024x768
[22:15] <negge> and there seems to be absolutely no way to revert back to my old settings
[22:15] <Kill_X> swubo1, there's a first time for everything ;)
[22:16] <negge> this new Xorg version is killing me...
[22:16] <swubo1> orvokki: gnome-volume-manager
[22:16] <orvokki> !info gnome-volume-manager gutsy
[22:16] <ubotu> gnome-volume-manager (source: gnome-volume-manager): GNOME daemon to auto-mount and manage media devices. In component main, is optional. Version 2.17.0-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 163 kB, installed size 2956 kB
[22:16] <negge> my question is: how do i get my old xorg settings back when not even restoring a working copy of xorg.conf works
[22:16] <Kill_X> orvokki, excuse me, which package of what?
[22:16] <teamcobra> negge: it sounds like the fglrx drivers aren't installed for the kernel version you're running
[22:16] <teamcobra> and not an xorg issue
[22:16] <negge> teamcobra okay
[22:16] <orvokki> Kill_X: You need a package name to ask ubotu which version it was. ;>
[22:17] <negge> i have used the fglrx drivers all the time
[22:17] <negge> it works perfectly except for when i try tv-out, after that I'm screwed
[22:17] <T1m0thy> What's the link to the ftp of the Hardy packages?
[22:17] <negge> happened once before and i had to reinstall ubuntu completely
[22:17] <teamcobra> negge: heh, they're not the best drivers
[22:17] <negge> teamcobra but they worked fine in 7.10
[22:17] <teamcobra> but they're the only game in town for 3d right now
[22:17] <Kill_X> orvokki, gnome-volume-manager, as swubo1 already told :)
[22:18] <orvokki> Kill_X: Also I already asked ubotu as you can see above.
[22:18] <Kill_X> right
[22:18] <teamcobra> negge: maybe it's an issue w/ the kernel ver and the version of fglrx packaged..... see if the one on ati.amd.com is newer, it may have fixed that issue if so
[22:18] <negge> i tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg but that wasn't very helpful
[22:18] <Kill_X> sry :D
[22:18] <negge> teamcobra I'll try that
[22:18] <teamcobra> I had to manually install fglrx on a server I build, as the chipset was too new
[22:19] <boritek> Hello, after updgrading, I've got an empty jockey-gtk list and so there is no 3d. No fglrx, no oss ati driver.  I tried hardy live CD as well, oss driver works there but no fglrx in jockey either, its empty.
[22:19] <Steven1> Hey people. Anyone know how to get my ATI x850 card and monitor working? Since upgrading to Hardy. The restricted drivers no longer work.
[22:19] <negge> teamcobra I'm downloading the newest drivers right now
[22:19] <teamcobra> cool
[22:19] <negge> what do I do when the download has finished?
[22:19] <trappist> I'm running do-release-upgrade -d from dapper and it aborts without any useful info that I can see.  Calculating the changes, then Restoring original system state, then Aborting
[22:20] <trappist> anyone seen this?
[22:20] <Kill_X> swubo1, could you add the info about the different naming system to bug #217412, too? Would be great
[22:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217412 in gnome-volume-manager "mountpoints of removable drives or CDs/DVDs are not removed when media has been ejected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217412
[22:20] <teamcobra> uhm, I believe you have to chmod +x ati*.run ; sudo ./ati*.run
[22:20] <negge> okay
[22:20] <negge> i'll try that
[22:20] <Steven1> What latest drivers are you talking about?
[22:20] <Steven1> Maybe those would work for me.
[22:20] <teamcobra> Steven: fglrx
[22:20] <teamcobra> possibly ;)
[22:21] <Steven1> I have fglrx. It doesn't work.
[22:21] <teamcobra> steven1: the package might be slightly outdated
[22:21] <BlakeSmith> fglrx works perfectly here, x1050 AGP
[22:21] <Steven1> I think I set it up right too. I got the control for it as well.
[22:21] <teamcobra> BlakeSmith, it works in most cases
[22:21] <swubo1> Kill_X: Will do.
[22:21] <Steven1> teamcobra: Walk me through it then. Where do I get it from?
[22:21] <Kill_X> swubo1, thank you :)
[22:21] <teamcobra> but I had to manually install for a 780g (radeon hd 3200 igp)
[22:22] <swubo1> Kill_X:  Only catch is, I already ditched the extras, so I'll have to remember the syntax it used from memory.
[22:22] <swubo1> Kill_X:  Since I'm not about to go yanking cables out of my computer to reproduce it.
[22:22] <Steven1> Where do I get the newest fglxs or whatever it's called?
[22:22] <teamcobra> Steven1: go to ati.amd.com , download the proper version for your machine, after it's done, in a terminal: chmod +x ati*.run ; sudo ./ati*.run
[22:22] <negge> teamcobra I'm rebooting now, I'll be back in a couple of minutes
[22:22] <Kill_X> swubo1, just be sure to dump that one, too ^^
[22:22] <teamcobra> the chmod is making the installer executable, and I believe it has to be run as root
[22:23] <teamcobra> ok negge
[22:23] <Steven1> Ok I'll give it a try. I can't open the file from ati.
[22:23] <boritek> teamcobra: i have also this ati issue, but as for me i dont even have the os ati driver working
[22:23] <teamcobra> Steven: the terminal command is how you "open" it
[22:23] <boritek> absolutely no 3d
[22:23] <Steven1> Ah ok. Thanks then.
[22:23] <Kill_X> swubo1,  I think with the test cases given, everyone should be able to reproduce and see for himself
[22:23] <teamcobra> it's a binary installer, but in linux you have to make the file executable (security measure)
[22:24] <teamcobra> boritek: follow those directions, as you're not using the closed source ( :(  ) 3d ati driver
[22:24]  * DanaG wonders... how well does HD2600 work, and how well would a 3650 work?
[22:24] <teamcobra> the open driver doesn't support 3d yet
[22:25] <teamcobra> danag: I dunno, the 3200hd is pretty wicked
[22:25] <negge> teamcobra didn't work, I still can't change my res
[22:25] <boritek> teamcobra, i worked in gutsy
[22:25] <teamcobra> negge: and in xorg.conf , under driver, it's marked "fglrx" ?
[22:25] <boritek> at least somehow, compiz worked e.g.
[22:25] <DanaG> What kind of power saving settings does it have?
[22:25] <teamcobra> boritek: hrm, might be an old radeon card then
[22:26] <negge> teamcobra yes
[22:26] <DanaG> I'd love to be able to put the GPU in slow-but-not-off mode when on battery, and still run compiz.
[22:26] <boritek> no, ATI Radeon9600 SE
[22:26] <teamcobra> danag: not too sure, all of the standard amd stuf (coolnquiet, etc)
[22:26] <swubo1> Kill_X:  If they really want to uncleanly unmount their NTFS partitions, more power to them.
[22:26] <DanaG> On my GeForce Go 7600, there's no choice of power modes when on battery.
[22:26] <swatTX> ok home come i can't gksudo into anything?
[22:26] <negge> I'm seriously thinking of converting back to 7.10 simply because restoring xorg.conf worked back there
[22:26] <teamcobra> DanaG: it'll do that in vista in crossfire mode, still no crossfire support in fglrx
[22:27] <DanaG> I'd be going single-card, mobile.
[22:27] <teamcobra> negge: sudo modprobe fglrx
[22:27] <teamcobra> and see if any errors pop up
[22:27] <boritek> teamcobra, but i would like to use the closed driver
[22:27] <negge> teamcobra no errors
[22:27] <negge> nothing at all
[22:27] <teamcobra> DanaG: 780g mobile chipsets are on their way..... wicked chipset
[22:27] <boritek> but i am just saying that the os driver don work either, only the mesa thing
[22:28] <teamcobra> negge, now restart x (crtl+alt+bkspc)
[22:28] <DanaG> I'll be buying at the end of June, and no later than the middle of July.
[22:28] <teamcobra> boritek: if your card is supported, use the drivers from ati.amd.com (look above)
[22:28] <teamcobra> DanaG: heh, it plays crysis + stranglehole
[22:28] <teamcobra> stranglehold, even ;p ;p
[22:28] <DanaG> My current candidate for laptops: HP 8510p / 8510w (depending on whether I want 1920x1200 on 15").
[22:29] <DanaG> Oooh, accelerometer!
[22:29] <negge> teamcobra no change
[22:29] <Kill_X> swubo1, well I cannot test that one with NTFS partitions, since they're mounted on startup via fstab ;)
[22:29] <boritek> teamcobra, my linux kernel: 2.6.24-16.30, my fglrx: 1:7.1.0-8-3+2.6.24.12  Do they match??
[22:29] <DanaG> One thing I hate about ntfs-3g: no automatic fallback to RO.
[22:29] <DanaG> It's all or nothing.
[22:29] <teamcobra> hrm, run dmesg
[22:29] <DanaG> Oh, and it loves load-cycling my external hard drive.
[22:29] <negge> teamcobra any more ideas?
[22:29] <teamcobra> boritek: I can't say for sure, I have nvidia in my laptops (for good reason)
[22:30] <DanaG> Every five seconds... ssshCLICK!
[22:30] <teamcobra> dmesg should tell you if fglrx fails
[22:30] <Steven1> teamcobra: I downloaded the 64-bit version since I didn't know what version to get. But it says I have 32-bit. Will it still work?
[22:30] <DanaG> SSSHCLICK!
[22:30] <boritek> teamcobra, by what filter?
[22:30] <boritek> |grep ati?
[22:30] <teamcobra> steven: do a "uname -a"  in a terminal
[22:30] <pen> how to use µswsusp 0.8?
[22:30] <veloxid> still someone here, who helped me with my speedstepping problem?
[22:30] <teamcobra> and if it's 32 bit, you must use 32bit driver, if 64bit, you must use 64bit
[22:31] <Kill_X> DanaG, really? ntfs-3g refuses to mount my ntfs disks at all, when they have been not cleanly unmounted
[22:31] <Steven1> teamcobra: i686
[22:31] <teamcobra> boritek: I really have no clue
[22:31] <teamcobra> steven: 32bit
[22:31] <Kill_X> uncleanly with windows, that is
[22:31] <Steven1> Ok thanks.
[22:31] <Fritzel> could someone take a look at this and tell me why this is crapping out, I just got the source no more than 20 minutes ago http://pastebin.com/d565b7053
[22:31] <Kill_X> never tried what happens when ntfs-3g itself does not cleanly unmount
[22:32] <teamcobra> boritek: the binary driver from ati should work (unless they screwed the pooch, has happened before)
[22:32] <Lamego> Fritzel, because you need the curses dev lib
[22:32] <DanaG> That's what I meant -- dirty FS == no mount at all.
[22:32] <Fritzel> hmm odd, but alright thank you
[22:32] <DanaG> It should be: dirty FS == mount RO (with old driver!)
[22:32] <teamcobra> I have to say, got ebox up on my server, and it's baller-tastic
[22:32] <Agrajag-> g'day, hardy is locking up on me. when it happens, I cannot move the mouse cursor, keyboard leds do not change, but i can ssh from another machine. i see this in /var/log/messages: "Apr 15 07:21:57 wbsdev5 kernel: [56219.619224] metacity[7657]: segfault at 00000001 eip b7955e60 esp bfcb5200 error 4"
[22:32] <Kill_X> DanaG, I see.
[22:33] <swubo1> Kill_X:  I don't know.  I do know that if Windows doesn't cleanly unmount my NTFS partition, Ubuntu refuses to mount it until I've corrected that.
[22:33] <Kill_X> DanaG, right, that would be an option
[22:33] <Lamego> Fritzel, if you are building a kernel from source, you should be able to identify a missing library :)
[22:33] <trappist> do-release-upgrade -d is telling me no valid mirror found, but I have no indication which line in my sources.list is at fault.  any ideas?
[22:33] <Lamego> !hardy | Agrajag-
[22:33] <ubotu> Agrajag-: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[22:33] <Lamego> ops
[22:34] <Lamego> wrong channel :P
[22:34] <Fritzel> Lamego: I gotta learn sometime, and I am simply trying to enable mounting of my ipod, beyond that I probably won't do this again except just to recompile every so often
[22:34] <Fritzel> for updates
[22:34] <Agrajag-> Lamego: i thought i was discussing it in #ubuntu+1
[22:34] <Agrajag-> oh right ok
[22:34] <negge> teamcobra do you have any more clues on how I could solve this?
[22:34] <Agrajag-> anyway yeah, i guess i'll file a bug
[22:35] <negge> I also tried disabling the ATI drivers but then nothing works
[22:35] <Fritzel> Lamego: but coming out of this I still don't know how you knew that was curses dev
[22:35] <negge> my monitor just blinks and the colors are all screwed up
[22:35] <Lamego> Agrajag-, sorry, I was confused :P
[22:35] <teamcobra> negge: hmm, got an older, yet-still 2.6.24 kernel?
[22:35] <teamcobra> try it
[22:35] <negge> teamcobra nope
[22:35] <Fritzel> Lamego: which means I'll probably ask again next time too
[22:35] <Lamego> Fritzel, "curses.h: No such file or directory"
[22:35] <negge> I'll never use tv-out again...
[22:36] <teamcobra> negge..... is fglrx loaded?
[22:36] <teamcobra> glxinfo
[22:36] <veloxid> have a problem with the speedstepping of my centrino-m 2ghz prozessor, it is always steped on 600mhz, althought the cpu-load is 100%
[22:36] <Fritzel> Lamego: doh! I swear that wasn't there when I first tried it lol someone shimmied it in there after the fact
[22:36] <Fritzel> ><
[22:37] <negge> teamcobra what should I look for in the output (from glxinfo)?
[22:37] <teamcobra> ati (Not mesa) in vendor line
[22:38] <Fritzel> ahh good news I don't even need to recompile, the options are set already ^^
[22:38] <negge> which one? there's a "client glx vendor string" and one "opengl vendor string"
[22:38] <negge> the first on says SGI and the other says ati technologies
[22:38] <negge> one*
[22:39] <teamcobra> hrm, try to run sudo aticonfig --initial again
[22:39] <teamcobra> it sounds like it's running though
[22:40] <negge> teamcobra aticonfig --initial told me there's nothing to do, i ran --initial -f and it said it found an uninitialized file
[22:40] <negge> i'll try restarting x now
[22:40] <Steven1> teamcobra: Installed the ati driver like you said. Then I restarted and it still says I'm running in 'low graphics mode'. What do I do now?
[22:40] <Fritzel> where are the usb devices located as if I wanted to mount an external hard drive? /dev/?
[22:41] <teamcobra> ok, in a terminal, run "sudo aticonfig --initial -f"
[22:41] <negge> teamcobra still no change...
[22:41] <negge> i ran that command
[22:41] <Steven1> Ok
[22:41] <teamcobra> negge: does opengl work at all?
[22:41] <negge> teamcobra how do I check that?
[22:41] <teamcobra> steven: you might have to hit control-alt-backspace to restart
[22:42] <teamcobra> negge: I dunno, try something like glxgears and  see if it's ssslllooooww or not
[22:42] <teamcobra> steven: any luck?
[22:43] <Steven1> teamcobra: Ok back. I ran aticonfi --initial -f. And then  restarted x. But no change.
[22:43] <Steven1> *aticonfig
[22:43] <JoshOvki> hey, im having a problem with hardy (kernal 2.6.24-16-generic) and madwifi, since i did the update to 2.6.24-16 mad wifi has stopped working. any one got any ideas on how to fix this?
[22:43] <negge> teamcobra okay so how do I test if opengl works (I ran glxgears and after pressing esc everything froze so I had to log out, don't know if you replied or not)
[22:43] <teamcobra> ok, both of you guys..... in a terminal, "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[22:44] <teamcobra> negge: heh, so glxgears crashed, not a good sign ;p
[22:44] <negge> teamcobra i'll try it again
[22:44] <teamcobra> anyway... next, reinstall the ati drivers again
[22:44] <Steven1> teamcobra: build-essential is already the newest version.
[22:44] <teamcobra> steven: ok.... hrmmm
[22:44] <Steven1> Ok.
[22:45] <Steven1> teamcobra: It does say this though. "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[22:45] <Steven1>   libmp4v2-0"
[22:45] <teamcobra> don't worry about that
[22:45] <Steven1> Ok
[22:46] <Steven1> So reinstall the drivers? I was supposed to select the fxgls driver setup when I restarted right?
[22:46] <teamcobra> I'm at a loss.... the kernel headers are installed for both of you, right?
[22:46] <Steven1> teamcobra: headers? Which ones do I need?
[22:46] <teamcobra> it sounds like the modules didn't build properly
[22:46] <teamcobra> steven: the ones that match the kernel you run
[22:47] <Steven1> Oh from ati? I installed the one that didn't say 64-bit on it.
[22:47] <negge> teamcobra it crashed again
[22:47] <negge> what's your advice?
[22:50] <Steven1> teamcobra: Ok I'm reinstalling it again. What do I do on system restart?
[22:50] <teamcobra> negge: make sure your linux kernel headers are installed
[22:51] <teamcobra> steven: are your kernel headers installed?
[22:51] <Steven1> I don't know what kernel headers are.
[22:51] <teamcobra> they're a package in synaptic
[22:51] <Steven1> I installed what I think is the right ati driver.
[22:51] <teamcobra> install them
[22:51] <Steven1> What's the name?
[22:51] <lime4x4> is places/network broke again?
[22:51] <teamcobra> you need them to build the driver for your pc properly
[22:52] <Steven1> The installation didn't come up with any errors though.
[22:52] <teamcobra> steven: uname -a , then run synaptic, search for "linux headers 2.6.xx)
[22:52] <negge> teamcobra yup they're installed
[22:52] <teamcobra> negge: check the installer log?
[22:52] <teamcobra> it's in /var/ someplace
[22:52] <teamcobra> fglrx-installer.log, I believe it's called
[22:53] <negge> teamcobra there's no such file, infact I don't see anything under /var/log/ that could be associated with fglrx
[22:54] <Steven1> teamcobra: Yep. The headers for 2.6.24-16 are installed.
[22:54] <negge> Steven1 are you having the same problem as I?
[22:54] <Steven1> I think so.
[22:54] <Steven1> Card and monitor don't work with the drivers.
[22:54] <negge> weird
[22:55] <negge> the gay part is that it worked just a couple of hours ago
[22:55] <Steven1> It worked fine in Gutsy.
[22:55] <negge> yeah
[22:55] <Fritzel> do you have to do something specific to add a new repo to synaptic sources? I click add, put in the new repo info and the Add button is grayed out
[22:55] <Fritzel> nevermind
[22:56] <Steven1> Fritzel: You could do it manually. By editing sources.list.
[22:56] <Fritzel> yeah I had some garbage html in my paste, got it though ty ^^
[22:56] <Steven1> :)
[22:57] <Steven1> I think we gave poor teamcobra a brain hemorrage.
[22:57] <teamcobra> sorry
[22:57] <negge> hehe yeah
[22:57] <teamcobra> setting up a server too
[22:57] <Steven1> Ah ok
[22:57] <teamcobra> a heavy duty one at that ;p
[22:58] <Steven1> I just want to get my graphics working again. So I can play Second Life.
[22:59] <teamcobra> anyways...... I know that you can run the ati installer in a tty (control + alt+ f1-f6, crtl+alt+f7 or f8 can't remember, will bring you back to x, but you'll need to restart it once the drivers install properly)
[22:59] <hwilde> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:59] <Steven1> It was working under Gutsy's restricted drivers.
[22:59] <negge> hwilde that doesn't work either
[22:59] <negge> you get 20 questions about your keyboard layout and that's it
[23:00] <hwilde> that totally works man
[23:00] <hwilde> !fixres
[23:00] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[23:00] <negge> hwilde I tried it but it doesn't
[23:00] <negge> it just asks about the keyboard and that's it
[23:01] <pen> could anyone tell me why mplayer plugin does not have sound in firefox 3?
[23:01] <Steven1> It asks me about stuff that I don't understand.
[23:01] <Steven1> Not keyboard
[23:01] <hwilde> just take all the defaults it should work fine
[23:01] <pen> only mplayer plupgin
[23:01] <negge> hwilde it clearly doesn't
[23:02] <swubo1> Anyone know why gdmsetup doesn't seem to recognize new themes when I try to add them?
[23:02] <negge> you can't configure the monitor manually anymore
[23:02] <_Rambaldi_> my trashbin icon has gone missing, how do i retrieve it
[23:03] <hwilde> you can always configure it manually - just hack the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:03] <Steven1> hwilde: Do you know what I would change in there to get my ati drivers to work?
[23:04] <hwilde> !ati | Steven1
[23:04] <ubotu> Steven1: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:04] <hwilde> !fglrx | Steven1
[23:04] <Steven1> Um ok thanks.
[23:04] <swubo1> Answering my own question---because the install theme button is entirely useless, it automatically recognizes anything put into /usr/share/gdm/themes
[23:04] <Steven1> hwile I have that.
[23:04] <Steven1> Trying to get it work.
[23:06] <negge> man I'm getting tired
[23:06] <negge> nothing simply works!
[23:06] <pen> could anyone tell me why mplayer plugin does not have sound in firefox 3?
[23:06] <negge> I tried aticonfig --resolution=blablabla but that didn't help either
[23:06] <hwilde> sry I have nvidia - and it just works
[23:06] <Steven1> Brb. Going to see if my enabling the restricted drivers helped.
[23:06] <negge> hwilde do you get to choose monitor settings when you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[23:07] <hwilde> I just hack the xorg.conf
[23:07] <hwilde> if you need wizards and guis this might be the wrong version :)
[23:07] <negge> I don't need that, I'm perfectly fine with the old xorg.conf file where you could actually edit stuff on your own, but this new version is so slimmed down it's unhackable
[23:08] <negge> last time I had the same problem I restored an old working copy of xorg.conf from my kubuntu 7.10 installation, didn't work either
[23:08] <moj0rising> hi. has anyone else had trouble getting the kernel headers in hardy?
[23:08] <moj0rising> When I try, sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`
[23:08] <hwilde> !headers
[23:08] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[23:08] <moj0rising> I get:E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.24-15-generic
[23:09] <moj0rising> Get the same error, ubotu.  :(
[23:10] <hwilde> !find linux-headers hardy
[23:10] <ubotu> Found: linux-headers-2.6.24-16, linux-headers-2.6.24-16-386, linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic, linux-headers-2.6.24-16-openvz, linux-headers-2.6.24-16-rt (and 26 others)
[23:10] <negge> I guess I'll have to remove hardy and install gutsy tomorrow and waste another couple of hours installing everything again...
[23:10] <moj0rising> Get the same error, ubotu.  :(
[23:10] <moj0rising> mtoscano@d630:~$ ls /usr/src
[23:10] <moj0rising> linux-headers-2.6.22-12          linux-headers-2.6.22-13-generic
[23:10] <moj0rising> linux-headers-2.6.22-12-generic  linux-headers-2.6.22-14
[23:10] <moj0rising> linux-headers-2.6.22-13          linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic
[23:10] <moj0rising> dont have the current headers
[23:10] <moj0rising> mtoscano@d630:~$ uname -a
[23:10] <moj0rising> Linux d630 2.6.24-15-generic #1 SMP Tue Apr 8 00:33:51 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:10] <Kill_X> moj0rising, I'm not able to reproduce this error, perhaps your mirror is broken?
[23:10] <AaronMT> /CLEAR
[23:10] <hwilde> !info linux-headers-2.6.24-15-generic
[23:10] <ubotu> Package linux-headers-2.6.24-15-generic does not exist in hardy
[23:10] <negge> I won't touch hardy again until a couple months after the stable release
[23:10] <hwilde> see it does not exist
[23:11] <moj0rising> maybe, Kill_X, hrm
[23:11] <hwilde> moj0rising, it looks like the latest headers are 2.6.24-16
[23:11] <Steven1> hwilde: It's working now. Thanks.
[23:11] <moj0rising> ah..
[23:11] <hwilde> Steven1, ati restricted drivers eh?
[23:11] <Kill_X> right
[23:11] <Steven1> All I had to do was reenable the restricted drivers.
[23:11] <hwilde> yeah that will do it
[23:11] <Steven1> Yeah ATI
[23:11] <moj0rising> so I need to update the kernel, then perhaps.
[23:11] <nomasteryoda> nice... new update to xorg... and mdetect... which it is installing
[23:11] <moj0rising> Cool. I'll keep going here. Thanks.
[23:12] <nomasteryoda> hope my synaptics touchpad works after this
[23:12] <Kill_X> moj0rising, invoke 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'
[23:12] <hwilde> && sudo apt-get install linux-headers-*
[23:12] <Kill_X> ;)
[23:12] <AaronMT> anyone on a inspiron 1501?
[23:15] <_Rambaldi_> is there a solution to firefox exiting when watching flash
[23:15] <gerr1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63229/ sound errors I've been having
[23:16] <gerr1> anyone else have similar results if so there any current fixes in progress?
[23:16] <Kill_X> _Rambaldi_, please report firefox crashes when watching flash videos using apport
[23:17] <Amaranth> _Rambaldi_: Please don't
[23:17] <gerr1> _Rambaldi_: there are threads on forums to report to I suggest waiting on one of them so you know when a fix is coming around
[23:17] <Amaranth> Kill_X: the firefox devs can't do anything about flash killing firefox
[23:17] <negge> teamcobra I still haven't got it working... I'll reinstall Ubuntu tomorrow, thanks for your help though
[23:17] <Kill_X> Amaranth, I see
[23:18] <moj0rising> Thanks, hwilde
[23:18] <Kill_X> actually this seems to be a problem of flashplugin.nonfree itself
[23:18] <gerr1> its either a gtk error, pulse error, or libflashsupport issue that's causing firefox crashes
[23:18] <hwilde> moj0rising, u know it
[23:18] <Amaranth> now, if it was swfdec crashing firefox then it would obviously be a firefox bug as swfdec doesn't crash :)
[23:18] <Amaranth> you could report a bug then :D
[23:18] <_Rambaldi_> i hope it gets fixed when the final hardy comes out, it can be infuriating
[23:18] <Amaranth> gerr1: it is libflashsupport
[23:19] <Amaranth> and it probably isn't getting fixed
[23:19] <gerr1> Amaranth: then remove it
[23:19] <Amaranth> maybe it'll be included in hardy-updates some time after release
[23:19] <Amaranth> gerr1: without libflashsupport flash doesn't work at all
[23:19] <gerr1> Amaranth: hardy = fail then
[23:19] <Amaranth> flash = fail
[23:19] <Kill_X> _Rambaldi_, unlikely, libflashsupport uses proprietary sources from Adobe
[23:19] <Amaranth> but this is well known
[23:19] <Amaranth> libflashsupport is written by the pulseaudio devs, afaik
[23:19] <gerr1> Amaranth: hardy inability to do anything gutsy did means its lost
[23:20] <Amaranth> gerr1: then every release of ubuntu has lost as they all have a regression somewhere
[23:20] <brianski> is anyone else having a total lack of sounds (except for some cracklies) in the past day or so?
[23:20] <gerr1> yeah but some don't cause straight up crashes near 100% redoable
[23:21] <Kill_X> Amaranth, sorry, I meant flashplugin-nonfree
[23:21] <gerr1> brianski: no sound here I get these errors http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63229/
[23:21] <Amaranth> gerr1: it's not 100% reproducible as it is a race condition
[23:21] <Amaranth> there are easy steps to trigger it but sometimes you do those steps twice and sometimes you do them 30 times before the crash occurs
[23:21] <brianski> gerr1: hmm, i seem to have a different issue
[23:21] <gerr1> Amaranth: well on my system here I have yet to see it not crash the dozens of times trying to use flash
[23:22] <Amaranth> gerr1: this crash is playing one flash video after another
[23:22] <brianski> oh is this the infamous ffox / flash bug?
[23:22] <Amaranth> gerr1: if you are seeing any other kind of crash it is a flash bug and not related
[23:22] <brianski> just pin your ffox at b4, works like a charm
[23:22] <Kill_X> _Rambaldi_, flashplugin-nonfree is a proprietary plugin, manufactured by Adobe. Since the SIGSEGV was provoked by the plugin itself, we'd have to wait out another release of Adobes flash-player.
[23:22] <gerr1> brianski: yeah I did too until I installed some missing packages now its some sort of permissions thing I think fedora implemented same stuff but different file system architecture so its difficult to know where its failing at
[23:23] <Kill_X> brianski, this is not true, there have been many crashreports of ffb4, too.
[23:23] <gerr1> Kill_X: its worked before, and it still works on firefox beta under any other distro
[23:23] <brianski> Kill_X: (shrug) works for me
[23:24] <gerr1> brianski: so what you dealing with? any logs?
[23:24] <Kill_X> gerr1, so you suggest the bug is provoked by gnome?
[23:25] <gerr1> Kill_X: run firefox from terminal and read what's output before it crashes
[23:25] <Kill_X> would be helpful since I'm trying to trace it down since about 5 weeks
[23:25] <Kill_X> I can tell you
[23:26] <_Rambaldi_> i like to save my flv files that are streamed by the browser, nothing so far does it better than internet explorer
[23:26] <Kill_X> something like ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
[23:26] <Kill_X> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
[23:26] <Kill_X> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[23:27] <Kill_X> totally unconclusive ;)
[23:28] <Kill_X> already tried a backtrace and valgrind
[23:28] <Kill_X> I need debugsymbols from ff3 and all related packages, to continue, but these aren't available
[23:29] <brianski> bleck, is there a handy way to roll back to what was in the apt repos as of a given point in time?
[23:29] <apikoros> hey, is it possible to install mplayerplug-in without installing firefox-3? i'm running firefox 2 and don't want to upgrade yet.
[23:29] <Amaranth> gerr1: fedora uses libflashsupport too, btw
[23:29] <pen> could anyone tell me why mplayer plugin does not have sound in firefox 3?
[23:29] <Amaranth> it is required to have working flash if you use pulseaudio
[23:30] <Amaranth> brianski: no, and downgrades are not supported and likely to break anyway
[23:30] <brianski> Amaranth: yeah that's about what i figured
[23:31] <m1lkc0w> Ubuntu 8.04 here. Gnome does not seem to load ~.Xresources on startup. I have some modifications for emacs in there. When I start emacs from the Panel, resources are not read. When I start it from the gnome-terminal, resources *are* read. Any ideas?
[23:31] <Kill_X> a workaround might be, to install firefox-2 and use that as long ad the flash-problem exists in 8.04. But I haven't tried that so far
[23:32] <goodhabit> Hello guys. Advice me please, how I can see cpu temp on ubuntu?
[23:32] <pen> nvm
[23:33] <_Rambaldi_> you know how ie7 saves all files streamed in temporary internet folder, what browser saves like that. firefox deletes its files immediately even with cache at 1Gb
[23:33] <Kill_X> goodhabit, install the package lm-sensors
[23:33] <hwilde> goodhabit, apt-get install lm-sensors
[23:34] <Kill_X> +sudo ;)
[23:34] <hwilde> I've never used sudo
[23:34] <hwilde> and I never will
[23:34] <hwilde> except for that initial sudo su
[23:34] <Kill_X> *gg*
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> uh
[23:35] <m1lkc0w> hwilde: Had to use it at work (years ago). Audit trail or something like that
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm trying to decide if i'm witnessing ignorance or stubbornness
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> or... little of column a, little of column b
[23:35] <Kill_X> goodhabit, you might want to install mbmon, as well... 'sudo apt-get install mbmon'
[23:36] <m1lkc0w> So, why do applications started from the panel not get their ~/.Xresources?
[23:36] <Kill_X> Daisuke_Ido, clarify? :D
[23:36] <m1lkc0w> Any way around that?
[23:37] <Daisuke_Ido> Kill_X, absolute refusal to use sudo
[23:38] <Kill_X> Daisuke_Ido, well, I used to do a 'sudo passwd' all the time until 2 months ago
[23:38] <Pirate_Hunter> how do i move channels in irssi i forgot :(
[23:39] <apikoros> Daisuke_Ido, probably a bit of both :)
[23:39] <Kill_X> but then I realized, that sudo is absolutely sufficient
[23:39] <Daisuke_Ido> it is
[23:39] <theunixgeek> What's the default Firefox homepage in Ubuntu?
[23:39] <Daisuke_Ido> theunixgeek, google.
[23:39] <theunixgeek> Daisuke_Ido: it's not helping me
[23:39] <Kill_X> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[23:40] <Kill_X> @ theunixgeek
[23:40] <theunixgeek> thanks :)
[23:40] <Daisuke_Ido> ah...  THAT one.  i tend to forget that because it's the first thing i change
[23:40] <theunixgeek> Kill_X: ^
[23:40] <theunixgeek> thank you very much :)
[23:40] <Kill_X> lol
[23:40] <goodhabit> Kill_X, after 'sudo mbmon' I see No Hardware Monitor found!!
[23:40] <goodhabit> Sorry, was disconnected.
[23:40] <Kill_X> what was that one about?
[23:41] <Daisuke_Ido> theunixgeek, i wasn't saying to search google, the usual default page *is* google (firefox custom, that is)
[23:41] <goodhabit> Kill_X, about cputemp
[23:41] <goodhabit> I dunno how to see it.
[23:41] <Daisuke_Ido> but i forgot about that local file as a homepage
[23:41] <Kill_X> goodhabit, it works for me :o
[23:41] <Kill_X> ~$ sudo mbmon
[23:41] <Kill_X> Temp.= 39.0, 29.0, 46.0; Rot.=    0,    0, 6136
[23:41] <Kill_X> Vcore = 1.38, 0.00; Volt. = 3.34, 5.00, 11.37, -10.40, -0.00
[23:41] <goodhabit> Kill_X, lm-sensors are installed.
[23:42] <goodhabit> maybe I have missed smth?
[23:42] <Fritzel> is there still a frontend for xmms? I can't seem to get it to install or launch
[23:42] <swuboo> Fritzel:  I don't believe the xmms2 package includes one, you have to install one separately.
[23:43] <donomo> are others having horrible firefox crash problems? or is it just one of my extensions?
[23:43] <Fritzel> ok umm well I want to use the traditional xmms interface but xmms won't install with xmms2 any ideas?
[23:43] <swuboo> fritzel: ...audacious?
[23:43] <Kill_X> goodhabit, you need to setup lm-sensors using 'sudo lm-syslog-setup' and 'sudo lm-profiler'
[23:43] <gerr1> donomo: its everyone
[23:43] <donomo> gerr1: phew. is there a ticket for it?
[23:44] <donomo> gerr1: its driving me nuts
[23:44] <Fritzel> is that what it was called? I always refered to it as xmms
[23:44] <goodhabit> Kill_X, while lm-setup pressing enter always ok?
[23:44] <swuboo> Fritzel:  No, it's a different package, but it was created to replace xmms.  Pretty much the same interface.
[23:44] <goodhabit> Or not?
[23:44] <Kill_X> goodhabit, sorry, first profiler, then syslog-setup
[23:44] <swuboo> Fritzel:  Might wanna give it a whirl, see if it meets your needs.
[23:44] <Fritzel> swuboo: ahh alright that'll work then
[23:44] <swuboo> Fritzel:  It even takes winamp skins, if that's your bag.
[23:44] <gerr1> donomo: no clue, its either gtk, pulseaudio, or libflashsupport. Check them all see if you can find a fix. My sound currently is off and trying to fix it
[23:44] <Pirate_Hunter> hhh#
[23:45] <goodhabit> Kill_X, profiler asks for 600 seconds waiting. It is ok?
[23:45] <Kill_X> goodhabit, lm-syslog-setup? run lm-profiler first
[23:45] <Kill_X> goodhabit, yes
[23:45] <Kill_X> wait out that 10 minutes
[23:45] <goodhabit> Kill_X, setup after profiling will not aks questions?
[23:45] <joe1> anyone know if the new kernel is being fixed? (such as for proprietary drivers)
[23:46] <Kill_X> goodhabit, unlikely, but keep monitoring, it might ask if problems occur.
[23:46] <Pirate_Hunter> can someoen who uses irssi or knows can they tell me how to move to another window in irc or what is the usual default command to move to other openned channels please
[23:52] <bkoch> Often in hardy (usually after watching something in VLC) I am not able to open terminals, firefox, and when amarok loads xine can't initialize audio drivers.  When I open VLC it plays video but there is no sound, the only solutions I have found is reboot.  Is there any log files that may show me what is causing this?
[23:53] <donomo> bkoch: ive learned to not start amarock. it hoses with the sound system.
[23:53] <r00723r0> Is there any coherent way to create xorg.conf automatically?
[23:54] <bkoch> Yes, but this problem happens before Amarok is launched.
[23:55] <bkoch> What do you suggest for a music player?
[23:55] <donomo> bkoch: ok. the solution for me was to not start amarock.
[23:55] <donomo> bkoch: rhythmbox of course. its gnome-approved :)
[23:55] <r00723r0> Anyone?
[23:56] <swuboo> r00723r0:  I'm positive that there is, but I can't remember the command offhand.
[23:56] <r00723r0> :(
[23:57] <swuboo> xorgconfig?
[23:57] <Exilant> r00723r0: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[23:57] <r00723r0> Ahh, thanks.
[23:58] <swuboo> What he said.
[23:58] <r00723r0> No.
[23:58] <r00723r0> That's not right.
[23:58] <r00723r0> I want to configure it as well.
[23:58] <Exilant> -plow
[23:58] <bkoch> Okay thanks I will try it donomo, as for VLC causing problems I have tried to compile version .9 which supposevely fixes this audio locking bug, but have had problems with that
[23:58] <r00723r0> Exilant, it's not giving me video options.
[23:58] <Kill_X> goodhabit, after the profiling has completed, you might want to answer any questions with NO, if you're not on a laptop. If so, please ask before answering with YES
[23:58] <r00723r0> Just keyboard, mouse, and framebuffer.
[23:59] <goodhabit> Kill_X, I am on pc.