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| crevette | hello | 06:02 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 06:10 |
| metalgod | morning | 06:23 |
| macogw | would "it uses gio now instead of gnomevfs and includes 3 bug fixes" be a compelling reason to update an app this close to release? | 06:30 |
| macogw | twitux 0.61 was released on gnome.org 2 months ago, and it has that plus a few nice new features over 0.60 which is currently in the repos, so i was wondering if it would be updateable or not | 06:32 |
| macogw | er 1 month ago. i can do math, i swear | 06:32 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| hggdh | morning all, and a question -- what does a SIGTRAP mean on __kernel_vsyscall? | 06:48 |
| macogw | im not sure that's a desktop question O_o | 06:48 |
| hggdh | macogw: I know ;-) but since it happened with evolution-data-server... | 06:49 |
| macogw | oh | 06:49 |
| macogw | man 7 signal says SIGTRAP 5 Core Trace/breakpoint trap | 06:50 |
| hggdh | yes | 06:50 |
| hggdh | on a strace? | 06:50 |
| hggdh | and causing a kill?? | 06:50 |
| hggdh | this is bug 216936 | 06:51 |
| * macogw waits for ubotu | 06:52 | |
| macogw | oh rihgt | 06:52 |
| crevette | bug #216936 | 06:52 |
| macogw | was just gonna /msg him | 06:52 |
| crevette | it is asleep | 06:52 |
| crevette | :) | 06:52 |
| hggdh | I get timeouts on ubotu | 06:53 |
| macogw | im waiting to see if launchpad times out in ff | 06:53 |
| macogw | hm...well since it says Trace in the description in man signal, i'm guessing that your killing strace is that...but idk how e-d-s caught it too | 06:55 |
| macogw | strace had detached from it already, right? | 06:56 |
| hggdh | that's my understanding, but I was not the one stracing it | 06:57 |
| macogw | oh | 06:57 |
| hggdh | anyway, this is the very first I see on an unhandled SIGTRAP in the kernel | 06:57 |
| hggdh | (huh, but still in user space) | 06:58 |
| crevette | asac: could you commit the icon face lift for network manager ? | 07:00 |
| crevette | ... nm-applet rather | 07:00 |
| macogw | crevette: icon face lift? | 07:01 |
| macogw | i wanna see! | 07:01 |
| crevette | the icons provided by Opensus for instance | 07:04 |
| crevette | this is tango styled icons | 07:04 |
| proppy | ho | 09:21 |
| proppy | Someone knows where the source of libclearlooks.so are ? | 09:22 |
| proppy | I can't find them in the source package (gtk2-engines) | 09:23 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson has just recommend I bring this to you. I'm part of the testing team and on a fresh install 20080411 I have no deskbar or tracker applet nor do any of the autostart apps work when you plug in a camera/pda etc. On checking it seems that all the options in System/Prefs/Removable Drives are empty | 11:56 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: poke | 12:29 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: which place do i pick, or how do i otherwise get, utc time? | 12:29 |
| davmor2 | Hobbsee: london and -1hr | 12:31 |
| davmor2 | I think | 12:31 |
| seb128 | davmor2: deskbar and tracker have been removed in hardy, they were creating issues and slowing down system for no real win | 12:31 |
| seb128 | davmor2: and the camera autostart is a known issue | 12:31 |
| davmor2 | seb128: cool np's there then | 12:31 |
| seb128 | davmor2: dunno about pda | 12:31 |
| davmor2 | seb128: when I used to plug in a pda for the first time and try to sync it would run palmos devices now it doesn't I think if memory serves it's now in media selector but greyed out | 12:33 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: good question and no idea | 12:33 |
| seb128 | davmor2: pda should still be handled by gnome-volume-manager I think | 12:33 |
| davmor2 | seb128: okay thanks for the info any idea when the camera thing will get put right? | 12:35 |
| seb128 | davmor2: whenever somebody figure what is wrong | 12:36 |
| seb128 | I've started looking at it this morning but my camera seems to have issues | 12:36 |
| davmor2 | seb128: okay thanks again :) | 12:36 |
| seb128 | you are welcome | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: hmm | 12:40 |
| pochu | Hobbsee: there's 'date -u' | 12:43 |
| cearle | hey all. I'm wondering which is the best channel/forum to troubleshoot getting my ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO going properly? | 12:47 |
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| seb128 | cearle: what issue do you have? you can try #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu | 12:55 |
| cearle | seb128, vesa drivers work fine with my ATI card, but I haven't had much success configuring the fgrlx drivers manually or via envy. I expect the logs will show up something I can't decipher. Thx! | 13:00 |
| seb128 | you are welcome | 13:01 |
| seb128 | maybe try the radeonhd or ati driver on hardy | 13:01 |
| === davmor2_away is now known as davmor2 | ||
| mvo | seb128: can nautilus-cd-burner work with mkisofs too (in addition to genisoimage?) - if so, we should add a or-dependency to easy dapper->hardy upgrades | 14:34 |
| seb128 | mvo: let me check | 14:38 |
| seb128 | mvo: those are symlinks, right? | 14:38 |
| seb128 | mvo: no, the patch does a commands replace and not a "try one and fallback to the other one" | 14:40 |
| seb128 | - g_ptr_array_add (argv, "mkisofs"); | 14:40 |
| seb128 | + g_ptr_array_add (argv, "genisoimage"); | 14:40 |
| seb128 | etc | 14:40 |
| mvo | seb128: hm, ok | 14:40 |
| mvo | seb128: I noticed that a lot of tools support both, but its fine, I will debug it a bit further | 14:40 |
| seb128 | mvo: why is that an issue? the depends should just trigger the genisoimage install no? | 14:40 |
| mvo | seb128: its fine, it seems to be a side effect of a dapper->hardy upgrade without multiverse, then mkisofs becomes obsolete and conflicts with genisoimage | 14:43 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:44 |
| mvo | seb128: but mkisofs has a lot of rdepends and the upgrader can (depending on the packages installed) decide to hold genisoimage back (not install it) and that breaks nautilus-c-b and that u-desktp | 14:44 |
| seb128 | I see | 14:45 |
| seb128 | upgrades are fun ;-) | 14:45 |
| * mpt scowls at seb128 | 14:48 | |
| seb128 | hey mpt | 14:51 |
| mpt | That that "Sensible Browser" comes from Debian doesn't make it right :-) | 14:51 |
| mpt | Does that mean it's not in upstream gnome-control-center? | 14:51 |
| seb128 | right, but that's the sort of thing you can have never ending discussion about and where there is no right | 14:52 |
| seb128 | no, it's not | 14:52 |
| seb128 | it's a debian and derivative thing | 14:52 |
| mpt | So I'd need to talk to the Debian maintainer about fixing it | 14:53 |
| mpt | I don't think it's a neverending discussion issue, it's pretty obviously wrong to suggest a program exists when it doesn't. | 14:53 |
| seb128 | you need to talk to debian changing something they use in a lot of packages and that they consider useful | 14:53 |
| seb128 | it does exist | 14:53 |
| seb128 | the sensible browser is "pick the nicer browser installed" | 14:53 |
| seb128 | it's a complex system where browsers have scores, etc | 14:54 |
| mpt | That's not a browser, it's a behavior. | 14:54 |
| mpt | And it's a good behavior. | 14:54 |
| seb128 | that's sort of the debian way to configure the default application | 14:54 |
| mpt | It just doesn't need to be visible. | 14:54 |
| seb128 | it is | 14:54 |
| seb128 | otherwise how would you say to GNOME to use this setting? | 14:54 |
| mpt | You just told me it wasn't! | 14:54 |
| seb128 | wasn't what? | 14:55 |
| mpt | a browser | 14:55 |
| seb128 | it's the debian logic to select the default browser | 14:55 |
| seb128 | and the item is to allow people to use this logic | 14:55 |
| seb128 | otherwise they could not | 14:55 |
| mpt | But no human actually wants to use that logic, except when they've just uninstalled the browser that was previously the default. | 14:56 |
| mpt | Then gnome-control-center should use that logic to choose a new one, great, and *show me which one it's chosen*. | 14:57 |
| seb128 | it's not that easy | 14:57 |
| seb128 | the debian thing is there for historical reasons | 14:57 |
| seb128 | and was there before the current desktopish system | 14:57 |
| mpt | before Gnome, you mean? | 14:58 |
| seb128 | might be, before the current preferred application selection system rather | 14:59 |
| mpt | ok | 15:00 |
| mpt | I suppose it gets used by people who don't use Gnome, too | 15:00 |
| seb128 | that's the debian way to choose a browser for the system | 15:00 |
| seb128 | which will be respected by command line tools, etc | 15:00 |
| seb128 | I guess it's not that used by desktop users though | 15:01 |
| seb128 | we would remove the item and tell to those command line users to just use a custom command and type sensible-browser there | 15:01 |
| seb128 | but we didn't really get complain about having it as a choice either | 15:02 |
| mpt | so sensible-browser is a terminal command too? | 15:02 |
| seb128 | yes | 15:02 |
| mpt | kewl | 15:02 |
| mpt | What does it do that xdg-open doesn't? | 15:02 |
| seb128 | it's integrated to the debian system where xdg-open is not | 15:03 |
| seb128 | xdg-open is an upstream tool | 15:03 |
| seb128 | sensible-browser is a debian tool | 15:04 |
| seb128 | I think nowadays it would make sense to convert the tools to xdg | 15:04 |
| seb128 | the debian tools are often a way debian found to make things coherent and standard on the distribution when there was not upstream standard | 15:05 |
| mpt | fair enough | 15:05 |
| mpt | I have no problem with the terminal command still existing (though if it could be replaced by xdg-open, that would be shorter to type!) | 15:06 |
| mpt | so, looks like I need to talk with "Marco Cabizza" | 15:10 |
| seb128 | I don't think so | 15:10 |
| seb128 | what do you want, getting the entry removed? | 15:10 |
| seb128 | or having the capplet interacting with the command line debian tools in a clever way? | 15:10 |
| mpt | the latter | 15:11 |
| mpt | well, both :-) | 15:11 |
| seb128 | you should better a bug on the bts if you want to talk to the maintainer | 15:12 |
| seb128 | the package is maintainer by pkg-gnome and has no real active maintainer in debian | 15:12 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure they will be wanting to spend efforts on that nor remove the entry since on debian there is likely quite some users wanting this one | 15:12 |
| seb128 | I'm not opposed to just drop the item in ubuntu if you think that's confusing for desktop users | 15:13 |
| mpt | Well, what happens currently if you uninstall the browser that was set as the default in Preferred Applications? | 15:15 |
| * mpt tries | 15:16 | |
| mpt | That's interesting, Konqueror is installed but it shows up in Add/Remove Applications as not being installed | 15:16 |
| Amaranth | maybe it wants konq-kde4? | 15:17 |
| * mpt installs galeon, awwww yeah | 15:17 | |
| Amaranth | old school | 15:17 |
| mpt | represent | 15:17 |
| mpt | ok, set as default... | 15:19 |
| mpt | uninstalled... | 15:20 |
| mpt | and Preferred Apps now says "Custom" | 15:20 |
| mpt | still set to galeon, though | 15:20 |
| mpt | 15:20:45@~> xdg-open http://example.com/ | 15:20 |
| mpt | Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location. | 15:20 |
| mpt | Well, that's not happy. | 15:21 |
| mpt | So if I'd had it set to "Ubuntu Sensible Browser" all the time xdg-open wouldn't have broken, but I wouldn't have been able to tell which browser it was going to fall back on, either. | 15:22 |
| * mpt will get help later from someone familiar with reporting Debian bugs | 15:25 | |
| mpt | Thanks for your info, seb128 | 15:25 |
| seb128 | mpt: you are welcome | 15:26 |
| * seb128 grrrr a launchpad edge | 15:26 | |
| seb128 | ah, no, just being confused by the ui again | 15:27 |
| mpt | Which bit? | 15:27 |
| seb128 | somebody asked if bug #195052 is going to be fixed in hardy | 15:27 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 195052 in inkscape "Latex formula does not work on Ubuntu Hardy" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195052 | 15:27 |
| seb128 | so I tried to look at the left pane to see if the package is in main or universe | 15:27 |
| seb128 | but that's an upstream bug and not an ubuntu task | 15:28 |
| mpt | right | 15:28 |
| seb128 | so there is no such information | 15:28 |
| mpt | You'll be pleased to know I designed a fix for that yesterday | 15:28 |
| seb128 | waouh ;-) | 15:28 |
| seb128 | what does the fix look like? ;-) | 15:28 |
| mpt | https://launchpad.canonical.com/BugPageTwoZero?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=package-balloon.jpg (sorry, Canonical-only link) | 15:29 |
| mpt | basically you'll be able to hover over any package name in the table | 15:29 |
| mpt | and get a tooltip with the package info | 15:29 |
| mpt | regardless of what context you're in. | 15:29 |
| seb128 | ah, good ;-) | 15:31 |
| Hobbsee | mpt: can you find us plebs a screenshot? | 15:31 |
| mpt | I had just done so | 15:32 |
| mpt | It's now attached to bug 152878 | 15:32 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 152878 in malone "Source package details box hampers bug page context-independence" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152878 | 15:32 |
| seb128 | mpt: thinking about the preferred browser thing, what are the issues you want to forward to debian exactly? | 15:33 |
| seb128 | mpt: I think discussing dropping the debian sensible-browser use require quite some work, a plan of action and it's not going to be easy, we probably don't want to start on that | 15:34 |
| mpt | seb128, (1) When I uninstall the browser that was the preferred browser, xdg-open (and opening Web shortcuts in Nautilus, etc) shouldn't break, but it does. | 15:34 |
| Hobbsee | mpt: why do we usually care who it's uploaded by, and who the maintainer is, unless we're actually a part of ubuntu? | 15:34 |
| Hobbsee | unless we want to email them | 15:34 |
| seb128 | mpt: right, those are GNOME bugs rather | 15:35 |
| Hobbsee | hmm, maybe it's good enough | 15:35 |
| mpt | seb128, (2) choosing the Sensible Browser option avoids that problem, but doing that means I don't actually get to choose which browser I use! | 15:35 |
| mpt | So, I should be able to choose which browser I want, and have that automatically fall back to another browser (i.e., whichever sensible-browser would choose for me) when I uninstall the default. | 15:35 |
| mpt | If that works, then there's no need for the Sensible Browser option to be shown in the menu at all | 15:36 |
| seb128 | well, sensible-browser is debian specific and I think we should remove it from the equation | 15:36 |
| mpt | which is good, because it's confusing for it to be there. | 15:36 |
| mpt | well, ok | 15:36 |
| seb128 | I argued to keep it only to make happy the debian people use it | 15:36 |
| mpt | but there should be *something* that chooses a fallback when I've uninstalled the default. | 15:36 |
| seb128 | but I guess there is no real need for that on Ubuntu | 15:36 |
| seb128 | right, I'm thinking about what that something is | 15:37 |
| seb128 | the issue is that the default is written in the gconf configuration | 15:37 |
| seb128 | and the capplet is only a way to change this key | 15:37 |
| mpt | It might be the sensible-browser code embedded into something else, e.g. xdg-open itself. | 15:37 |
| seb128 | but if we want to do dynamic adjustment we need something running all the time doing the work | 15:37 |
| mpt | Or the uninstall scripts for all browsers. | 15:37 |
| seb128 | GNOME doesn't use xdg-open | 15:37 |
| mpt | heh | 15:38 |
| mpt | (There are more worms in this can?) | 15:38 |
| mpt | Hobbsee, are you suggesting it should contain *less* information? | 15:38 |
| seb128 | we need gnome-settings-daemon or something updating the gconf key when the preferred application run away | 15:38 |
| Hobbsee | mpt: no, i looked at my original bug | 15:39 |
| Hobbsee | i'm assumingit's small enough not to matter :) | 15:39 |
| mpt | I was wondering if I'd left out anything important | 15:39 |
| mpt | seb128, in other words, it's complicated enough to need a spec, but unimportant enough that any spec likely wouldn't be implemented? :-) | 15:40 |
| seb128 | mpt: something like that | 15:41 |
| seb128 | mpt: users don't uninstall their preferred browser every day | 15:41 |
| mpt | true, true | 15:41 |
| mpt | And I guess even if you ran a user test asking people to change their Web browser, they'd have terrible trouble finding Preferred Applications | 15:42 |
| seb128 | easy would around would be to display a "there is no preferred browser configured" dialog with a button to open the capplet | 15:42 |
| seb128 | s/would/work | 15:42 |
| seb128 | rather than the current error | 15:42 |
| mpt | (which may be why Apple gave up on having an Internet control panel, and gave the job of setting default Web browser to every individual browser's Preferences window instead) | 15:42 |
| mpt | It's also a little lame that Firefox doesn't have an icon in that menu, but I suppose that's Firefox's fault | 15:44 |
| seb128 | oh, it doesn't? | 15:46 |
| seb128 | hum | 15:46 |
| andreasn | mpt: I haven't been following the discussion at all. Is firefox missing a icon in a menu or is the firefox app icon missing in a capplet in the GNOME control center? | 15:48 |
| mpt | andreasn, Firefox doesn't have an icon in Preferred Applications (in my installation, at least) | 15:48 |
| seb128 | mpt: ok, it's a trivial fix | 15:49 |
| seb128 | mpt: /usr/share/gnome-control-center/gnome-default-applions.xml uses "firefox" as icon name and they changed that to firefox-3.0 | 15:49 |
| andreasn | mpt: it does in mine it seems | 15:49 |
| andreasn | ah, firefox3 | 15:49 |
| seb128 | mpt: there is a gnome-control-center upload planned I'll get the fix in the update, thanks for pointing the issue | 15:49 |
| mpt | seb128, ahhhh, the same thing happened in my panel -- I had a Firefox launcher, and its icon turned into a big terminal icon | 15:50 |
| mpt | when I upgraded | 15:50 |
| seb128 | mpt: should we remove the ubuntu sensible browser too? | 15:50 |
| seb128 | hum | 15:50 |
| mpt | seb128, sure, that would be great, if it's not much trouble | 15:50 |
| seb128 | alright | 15:50 |
| mpt | People who really want it can still enter it as a custom command, can't they | 15:50 |
| mpt | Thank you! | 15:51 |
| seb128 | mpt: yes they can | 15:53 |
| seb128 | hey walters | 15:53 |
| walters | yo | 15:54 |
| seb128 | asac, walters: we got some bugs about the metacity behaviour change btw, one user asked on #nautilus why the spatial mode was making the tasklist blink when trying to open an already opened location, and one ubuntu user asked why unminimizing a taskbar item was not working correctly too | 15:54 |
| seb128 | so the change does has annoying side effects for users | 15:55 |
| walters | hm, need more details on the unminimizing | 15:55 |
| asac | you think its a regression from the patch? | 15:55 |
| seb128 | walters: change the tasks list to show the dialog on all the workspaces, and select to unminize on the current one | 15:55 |
| walters | the nautilus is a known change, i should have listed it in the bug | 15:55 |
| seb128 | walters: then minimize something, switch workspace, and click on the tasklist entry | 15:56 |
| seb128 | it used to unminize and bring you to the corresponding workspace | 15:56 |
| seb128 | that's what I got from the user bug, I didn't verify | 15:56 |
| seb128 | asac: yes it's due to the change | 15:57 |
| walters | ok i'll follow up on the bug | 15:58 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:59 |
| walters | this whole thing is such a mess | 16:00 |
| walters | here's a random bug from someone complaining that it works the other way under KDE: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522514 | 16:00 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 522514 in gtk "gtk_window_present_with_time on KDE does not move window to current desktop" [Minor,Unconfirmed] | 16:00 |
| walters | personally I'd like to change the default workspace count to 1 by default | 16:00 |
| seb128 | that would not make a really difference | 16:01 |
| seb128 | people who switch workspace now would also change the setting to have their workspaces | 16:01 |
| seb128 | but having a standard behaviour between desktops would be nice | 16:02 |
| pitti | hi walters, nice to 'see' you again | 16:04 |
| mvo | seb128: do you want to take care of http://paste.ubuntu.com/7002/ or should I do? (dapper->hardy) | 16:04 |
| pitti | walters: I just did a local dbus-glib rebuild and installed the binaries; the *.h did not change at all, and gnome-panel still works; do you know how this ABI breakage manifests itself? | 16:04 |
| seb128 | mvo: if that's not too much for you feel free to do it, I'm busy on some other things right now, but I'll do it in a bit otherwise | 16:06 |
| walters | pitti: it actually only comes up for applications which try to test for specific errors, via dbus_g_error_has_name; and this is quite rare | 16:06 |
| mpt | seb128, I reported bug 217296 based on our discussion | 16:06 |
| mvo | pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7003/ - I have seen this in a log from a dapper upgrade, didn't we patch it to not try to reload itself? or am I misremembering something here? | 16:06 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 217296 in gnome-control-center "Uninstalling default browser doesn't fall back to another" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217296 | 16:06 |
| pitti | walters: I just wondered why I could not reproduce the .h ordering change | 16:07 |
| seb128 | mvo: btw could you do the transmission-gtk menu item change and mail the translators, that was mentionned as something to change during the meeting and the sponsoring bug is assigned to you | 16:07 |
| seb128 | mvo: thanks ;-) | 16:07 |
| walters | pitti: it varies by the version of dbus used to compile | 16:07 |
| seb128 | mpt: thanks | 16:07 |
| pitti | mvo: I think we did that for hal | 16:07 |
| walters | pitti: and the goal was actually for hardy that they should be the same | 16:07 |
| pitti | mvo: but since our dbus never restarts itself, we didn't touch it so far | 16:08 |
| pitti | walters: right, I absolutely agree on fixating the ABI | 16:08 |
| pitti | walters: I'd just be more comfortable to find a situation where it breaks, so that I can be more confident at the fix (we need to be super-paranoid at this point of the release) | 16:08 |
| pitti | walters: ok, thank you; I'll dig a bit deeper | 16:09 |
| walters | pitti: if you grep through the sources for anything calling dbus_g_error_get_name or dbus_g_error_has_name you'll find things that would have broken...my intuition (though I haven't checked) is this is includes NetworkManager, the telepathy stack, and PackageKit | 16:12 |
| seb128 | walters: btw, do you know if the camera plugin action is working on fc9? | 16:16 |
| walters | seb128: i don't...honestly I only run stable releases on my main laptop and have a sacrificial rawhide machine where i occasionally test things =) | 16:16 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:17 |
| seb128 | I'll try pinging davidz about that ;-) | 16:17 |
| mpt | "Open with [ gimp.desktop :^]" | 16:42 |
| mpt | What's gimp.desktop? | 16:42 |
| mpt | The Launcher for Gimp, I suppose | 16:43 |
| mpt | ah, I know how this happened | 16:43 |
| mpt | I didn't know where Gimp was in the filesystem, so I dragged Gimp from the Applications menu into the filepicker | 16:44 |
| mpt | but instead of selecting Gimp (which would have been useful), it selected the Gimp .desktop file (which wasn't) | 16:44 |
| slomo | pedro_: ok, so a fix for the mono-program-segfault-on-exit is found now... how long until it's too late for hardy? ;) | 16:55 |
| seb128 | slomo: the sooner the better, today or tomorrow would be nice | 16:56 |
| pedro_ | slomo: great! yeah what seb128 said ;-) | 16:56 |
| slomo | seb128: ok, tomorrow is good :) | 16:57 |
| seb128 | cool | 16:58 |
| slomo | seb128: do i need some kind of freeze exception or can i just go ahead and upload? | 17:11 |
| seb128 | slomo: upload if that's just a bug fix and not a new version | 17:11 |
| slomo | seb128: well, either a new version with more fixes or just this single fix ;) | 17:12 |
| seb128 | and maybe ping pitti to get his opinion ;-) | 17:12 |
| slomo | ok | 17:14 |
| slomo | pedro_: which is the bugreport for this? :) | 17:18 |
| pedro_ | slomo: the bug 199496 | 17:18 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 199496 in gtk-sharp2 "Tomboy.exe crashed with SIGSEGV in exit()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199496 | 17:18 |
| slomo | thanks# | 17:19 |
| pedro_ | no problem :-) | 17:19 |
| slomo | wtf, did you count the number of duplicates already? :) | 17:19 |
| pedro_ | hehe there's other reports which i didn't marked as dup of it, because there's some people arguing about getting too much email :-P | 17:21 |
| mpt | That sounds bad | 17:22 |
| mpt | pedro_, is there a bug reported about that? | 17:22 |
| mpt | Launchpad's e-mail behavior shouldn't be discouraging people from marking duplicates | 17:22 |
| tedg | mpt: Launchpad's e-mail behavior is a true problem. | 17:22 |
| tedg | mpt: Lots of people on the Inkscape list complaining about it with the switch over. | 17:23 |
| tedg | mpt: Launchpad needs "server-side" filtering in the form of preferences. | 17:23 |
| mpt | tedg, are they complaining about the same problem as pedro_, or a different problem? | 17:23 |
| tedg | mpt: If the problem from pedro_ is too much mail, yes. | 17:23 |
| mpt | Which message types are they receiving that they don't want to receive? | 17:24 |
| tedg | mpt: Many people have made new GMail accounts, set them to get Launchpad mail, and just have them all dead end there. | 17:24 |
| tedg | Basically, they'd like to be in the bug control group without receiving all the mails about new bugs and bugs that they're not interested in. | 17:24 |
| mpt | aha | 17:25 |
| tedg | Or be able to filter it by tag or something. | 17:25 |
| tedg | So I could say "I'm interested in filters" | 17:25 |
| tedg | And then get info on all the bugs tagged with "filter" | 17:25 |
| pedro_ | mpt: mm haven't seen one yet, but basically is about "i can't unsubscribe in a easy way" | 17:25 |
| mpt | ok, so three issues here | 17:25 |
| mpt | (1) can't obviously unsubscribe when your bug was marked as a duplicate | 17:26 |
| mpt | (bug 136570, bug 210457, bug 151101) | 17:27 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 136570 in malone "Can't unsubscribe from duplicates if dupe is private" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136570 | 17:27 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 210457 in malone "unsubscribing from a bug with duplicates would only unsubscribe from one duplicate?" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210457 | 17:27 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 151101 in malone "Users not properly subscribed to bugs when their bug is marked as duplicate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151101 | 17:27 |
| mpt | (2) can't subscribe to a tag | 17:28 |
| mpt | (Bug 151129) | 17:28 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 151129 in malone "Can't subscribe to a tag" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151129 | 17:28 |
| tedg | I think you're looking from the positive instead of the negative. "Ignore all tags except" would probably be more useful. | 17:28 |
| mpt | and (3) can't be a bug supervisor without getting mailed about every damn bug report | 17:29 |
| mpt | I don't think #3 is reported, actually. | 17:29 |
| tedg | It would probably be easier to have an "expert field" where I can put "+filter -ugly +bob +alvin" | 17:29 |
| tedg | But that would have to be per-project as different projects use different tags. | 17:29 |
| mpt | Well, that's even more complex than subscribing to a tag | 17:29 |
| mpt | That's subscribing to a *search* :-) | 17:30 |
| tedg | Yes, I guess if you can unsubscribe all, then subscribe back that'd work too. | 17:30 |
| tedg | Kind of a "#3 #2 #2" type of thing. | 17:30 |
| tedg | In general, I'd say subscribe to inkscape-devel and start a thread that's "What's wrong with Launchpad mail?" -- you'll get some replies :) | 17:31 |
| tedg | Personally, I think the e-mails need more information in them. I'm not sure what yet. | 17:32 |
| tedg | I'm thinking perhaps my last comment on the bug. | 17:32 |
| tedg | The reality is that when I get the mails, they're very much out of context, so I end up having to review what is going on before I can made a decision about whether the e-mail is useful or not. | 17:33 |
| mpt | reported bug 217337 | 17:38 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 217337 in malone "Bug supervisors shouldn't be compulsorily subscribed to all bug reports" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217337 | 17:38 |
| slomo | seb128: ok, uploaded it now already... does ubuntu's dak accept changes files with version 1.8? :) | 17:44 |
| tedg | mpt: Thanks. | 17:45 |
| slomo | ok, it does | 17:46 |
| slomo | pitti: please accept gtk# and gnome#, thanks ;) | 17:46 |
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| seb128 | slomo: no idea about the version thing ;-) | 17:50 |
| cody-somerville | pedro_, ping. Please don't unassign bugs that I assign to myself. :) (sorry if you're the wrong person). | 20:09 |
| pedro_ | cody-somerville: context bug 203183 ? | 20:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 203183 in nautilus "Hang on network operations" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203183 | 20:11 |
| cody-somerville | Yes. | 20:11 |
| pedro_ | cody-somerville: ok no problem, will change it to confirmed then since you'll be working on it, i don't like to have a lot of bugs on new status | 20:14 |
| cody-somerville | Okay, you could mark it in progress if you'd like | 20:15 |
| pedro_ | sure, thanks for raising it :-) | 20:15 |
| cody-somerville | Thanks :) | 20:15 |
| * cody-somerville hugs. | 20:15 | |
| Amaranth | alex-weej: tempted to set https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/217404 to Won't Fix just because you should know better :P | 20:40 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 217404 in compiz "Compiz locks up occasionally" [Undecided,New] | 20:40 |
| alex-weej | Amaranth: why? :( | 20:41 |
| alex-weej | i can't get a trace till i'm back in london! | 20:41 |
| alex-weej | i don't have another computer! | 20:41 |
| alex-weej | or is it a popular dup? LP didn't suggest one :( | 20:42 |
| Amaranth | alex-weej: you just said you can ssh in and kill compiz to 'fix' it | 20:42 |
| Amaranth | need you to do that to the ati machine | 20:42 |
| alex-weej | ok, will try it tomorrow | 20:42 |
| alex-weej | i have been getting this for weeks | 20:42 |
| Amaranth | need to attach gdb and see what compiz is doing | 20:42 |
| alex-weej | just never bothered to really try and do anything about it till today | 20:42 |
| alex-weej | so you've not seen any other reports of this? | 20:43 |
| Amaranth | if you try to show me using the nvidia machine it'll end up doing something i can blame the nvidia driver for :P | 20:43 |
| alex-weej | i thought maybe some other people may be getting it, as i was getting it on 2 different machines with 2 different drivers and 2 different archs | 20:43 |
| alex-weej | ok, well we'll see tomorrow :> | 20:43 |
| Amaranth | other people get it but they can't help with it or they have an obvious nvidia bug | 20:43 |
| seb128 | re | 20:43 |
| alex-weej | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/217404 | 20:44 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 217404 in compiz "Compiz locks up occasionally" [Undecided,New] | 20:44 |
| Amaranth | I seem to get a lockup about once every other week but usually on pressing alt-sysrq-k to kill X the whole system freezes so I can easily blame nvidia | 20:44 |
| alex-weej | Amaranth: ever tried to fix it by killing compiz instead? | 20:45 |
| alex-weej | sysrq-k works for me too | 20:45 |
| alex-weej | but i don't like losing data :p | 20:45 |
| Amaranth | yes, then X is still broken and see above | 20:45 |
| alex-weej | oh right sorry i misread | 20:45 |
| alex-weej | on ati, i can kill X and get back to work | 20:45 |
| alex-weej | at least i think so | 20:45 |
| Amaranth | haven't had a lockup killing X could solve since gutsy was in development :) | 20:46 |
| Amaranth | well, no, i've had a couple | 20:46 |
| alex-weej | though now that i tink about it, i get the evil dotted lines occasionally. my memory sucks, let's try with real evidence rather than my own anecdotes tomorrow | 20:46 |
| Amaranth | remember, ati machine | 20:46 |
| alex-weej | i'll do both, they crash often enough :p | 20:47 |
| * alex-weej swears at depressed Show Desktop button | 20:48 | |
| alex-weej | do we know what the problem with the show desktop plugin is? | 20:48 |
| seb128 | cody-somerville: why should be keep bugs without the required informations open? they cluter the list and you can reopen when you debug the issue | 20:51 |
| cody-somerville | Because seb128 closed bugs disappear off the list. | 20:52 |
| cody-somerville | And a bug is a bug! | 20:52 |
| cody-somerville | If you're too lazy to do the legwork yourself, don't close the bug. Just wait. It isn't a race to close as many bugs as possible. | 20:52 |
| seb128 | cody-somerville: that's not how the bug tracker works, or we would never close bugs and let thousand of "doesn't work" bugs open just because bugs are bugs | 20:52 |
| cody-somerville | Some bugs do deserve to be closed. | 20:53 |
| seb128 | cody-somerville: I'm not lazy, you are just the only one to get the issue | 20:53 |
| cody-somerville | I don't think a majority of users use the features extensively as I do | 20:53 |
| seb128 | and I'm not sure that insulting me is going to lead you somewhere | 20:53 |
| cody-somerville | seb128, I'm sorry, that wasn't a person insult. | 20:53 |
| seb128 | that was | 20:53 |
| cody-somerville | *personal | 20:53 |
| cody-somerville | Or certainly wasn't intended. | 20:53 |
| seb128 | calling me lazy must be a joke | 20:54 |
| seb128 | do you really think I'm slacking the whole week? | 20:54 |
| cody-somerville | I used you're in a third person | 20:54 |
| cody-somerville | and I have no doubt in my mind that you're equally as busy as I am | 20:54 |
| seb128 | do you have an idea of how many thousand bugs we have assigned to the desktop components? | 20:54 |
| * marnanel does the "omg" linguist hand to forehead gesture | 20:54 | |
| Amaranth | alex-weej: no idea what the problem is, i can't reproduce easily | 20:55 |
| Amaranth | s/easily/at all because i don't use showdesktop/ | 20:55 |
| alex-weej | i don't wanna lose windows now | 20:55 |
| alex-weej | but | 20:55 |
| seb128 | cody-somerville: this bug is of no use, nobody else complained about it, there is no stacktrace, you have been asked those informations one month ago and didn't reply, I don't know why we should keep this bug on the desktop issues list if it's of no use | 20:56 |
| alex-weej | i think you can catalyse it by activating showdesktop, revealing the desktop (so the windows slide off the screen) then while you're in that state, disable show desktop | 20:56 |
| alex-weej | all hell breaks loose | 20:56 |
| cody-somerville | seb128, Because the issue does occur and I will get around to addressing it. Furthermore, could you please define what the "desktop issues list" is and what puts a bug on or off of it? | 20:57 |
| seb128 | cody-somerville: the list is all the non closed bugs on any desktop component | 20:57 |
| seb128 | cody-somerville: I'm changing it back to incomplete because it really lacks informations | 20:58 |
| cody-somerville | I don't mind if it is in progress or new or incomplete | 21:00 |
| cody-somerville | However, what I was looking to have was the bug assigned to me so that it is on my todo list. | 21:00 |
| seb128 | alright | 21:00 |
| seb128 | pitti: around? | 21:28 |
| alex-weej | seb128: pulseaudio is default on hardy now, right? well ALSA still isn't using it by default. which is bad. | 22:38 |
| alex-weej | basically, if a PA-using app is using sound | 22:38 |
| alex-weej | all ALSA apps will fail | 22:38 |
| alex-weej | unless you have hw mixing | 22:38 |
| alex-weej | we need to enable the alsa plugin for pulse | 22:38 |
| alex-weej | and then deal with all the bugs | 22:38 |
| alex-weej | or just throw pa out :/ | 22:38 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: I know almost nothing about sound but yes pulseaudio is used by default | 22:39 |
| alex-weej | and we're in freezes now daaaamn | 22:39 |
| alex-weej | i'm always too slow with this | 22:39 |
| ajmitch | sigh, bugs that show up on the first boot after upgrade, but not subsequently | 22:40 |
| seb128 | hey ajmitch | 22:43 |
| seb128 | ajmitch: it has been a while, how are you? | 22:43 |
| ajmitch | is it a nautilus bug that all the saved network locations I had from gutsy disappeared? | 22:43 |
| ajmitch | good, how are you? | 22:43 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: what applications are broken? it should not be worst than esound was | 22:43 |
| seb128 | ajmitch: busy but good otherwise, thanks ;-) | 22:43 |
| seb128 | ajmitch: yes, nautilus switched to gvfs which is a totally new library and so don't know about gnomevfs links and nobody wrote migration code to change to bookmarks or something | 22:44 |
| alex-weej | seb128: the difference was esound used ALSA dmix, PA doesn't use dmix | 22:44 |
| ajmitch | ugh | 22:44 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: any reason why it doesn't? | 22:44 |
| alex-weej | seb128: maybe it does... but i think lennart would have a lot to say if it did. | 22:45 |
| alex-weej | dmix is basically doing what pa is supposed to do | 22:45 |
| alex-weej | but pa does it better (apparently) | 22:45 |
| alex-weej | let me test... | 22:45 |
| ajmitch | oh well, it's better than the first boot after upgrade which I sadly can't reproduce - gnome-settings-daemon failed to start, desktop background was black with no icons. But since I can't reproduce it, I can't really file a bug :( | 22:45 |
| alex-weej | seb128: ERROR: from element /pipeline0/alsasink0: Could not open audio device for playback. Device is being used by another application. | 22:46 |
| alex-weej | PA definitely hogs the ALSA device | 22:46 |
| alex-weej | which is fine, as the intention is that ALSA uses the "pulse" plugin to route ALSA audio via pulse instead | 22:46 |
| alex-weej | but we're not doing it | 22:46 |
| alex-weej | i will open a report | 22:47 |
| seb128 | ok | 22:47 |
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| Amaranth | alex-weej: I'll mark it high and milestone it so someone who knows what is going on looks at it :) | 22:55 |
| alex-weej | Amaranth: it's already reported, i'm just cleaning it up now | 22:57 |
| alex-weej | one sec | 22:57 |
| alex-weej | Amaranth: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/198453 | 23:01 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 198453 in pulseaudio "Default ALSA device must use PulseAudio, otherwise ALSA applications may fail" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:01 |
| alex-weej | also can you remove the pulseaudio bug-tracker link? that's to do with skype, which is not relevant | 23:01 |
| alex-weej | or can i do it? | 23:02 |
| alex-weej | i can't see how | 23:02 |
| Amaranth | i'll do it | 23:03 |
| alex-weej | seriously, this aint the first time i've tried to do it and gotten lost | 23:04 |
| alex-weej | is it actually possible for normal peons to do it? | 23:04 |
| Amaranth | i dunno | 23:04 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: you can't delete tasks no, just change them to invalid | 23:06 |
| Amaranth | You used to be able to change the project they apply to as well but this one won't let me | 23:07 |
| Amaranth | I usually moved them to the 'Obsolete Junk' project so I'd stop getting email :) | 23:07 |
| seb128 | you can make the task track no watch | 23:08 |
| seb128 | and then change the settings | 23:08 |
| Amaranth | yeah, i changed it to no track but i still can't do anything but change it to invalid | 23:08 |
| Amaranth | which is fine here as i'm not getting email for the pulseaudio project | 23:08 |
| alex-weej | thanks travis | 23:10 |
| alex-weej | i think, in general, we should be paying much attention to that PerfectSetup page | 23:11 |
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