[00:00] <LjL> Nafallo, ugh.
[00:00] <Nafallo> yea. I think something like that now...
[00:01] <no0tic> Nafallo, argh
[00:04] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[00:05] <Seeker`> Nafallo: I believe the correct phrase is "OMG! MY EYES!! THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!"
[00:05] <RoAkSoAx> does anyone know why botijo is not around?
[00:05] <Nafallo> Seeker`: naah. I'm pretty openminded. not quite that openminded, but still :-)
[00:06] <LjL> RoAkSoAx: jpatrick might
[00:07] <RoAkSoAx> LjL, i have seen him away for a couple of days , that why i was asking xD
[00:08] <LjL> well, i don't know :|
[00:10] <RoAkSoAx> ok, np xD
[00:14] <LjL> raptoid, now there is still a couple of things you should do (or if you want, i guess i can do them for you)
[00:14] <LjL> 1) change https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat so that it mentions the right channel and the right contact
[00:14] <LjL> 2) mail admin at   ubuntu-eu dot org   and ask them to move locobot_1 from #ubuntu.tr to #ubuntu-tr
[00:15] <LjL> (yes, i know it has already moved, but they should still set it up to join the right channel)
[00:21] <LjL> ah raptoid, there was another thing you asked me but i'm not sure what you meant
[00:21] <LjL> was that how to obtain an ubuntu/member/ cloak?
[00:51] <heartsmagic> hello
[00:51] <LjL> hi heartsmagic
[00:52] <LjL> i've just talked to raptoid some minutes ago, as we moved #ubuntu.tr to #ubuntu-tr, since #ubuntu.tr is not the correct naming for an official LoCo channel, and i believed that they represented the turkish LoCo team, as the channel is listed on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC and contained an official LoCoBot
[00:52] <LjL> it would seem now that the official LoCo team for Turkey is another, however
[00:52] <LjL> could you clarify?
[00:53] <heartsmagic> yes, now the team is different
[00:53] <heartsmagic> none of the old stuff are with us
[00:54] <heartsmagic> s/stuff/staff
[00:55] <LjL> heartsmagic, uhm, i see... the channels you're using, however, aren't in the namespace for LoCo channels... also, i see your team listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList as an Approved team, is that correct?
[00:55] <heartsmagic> yes correct
[00:55] <heartsmagic> and we know our channel names are not suitable
[00:57] <LjL> heartsmagic, do you remember when the team was approved, roughly?
[00:57] <LjL> and if i may know... what relationships are you in with the #ubuntu.tr people?
[00:58] <heartsmagic> approximately one month ago
[00:58] <heartsmagic> LjL: i know _paco_ , he said they want to transfer the channel to us, but i dont know the last situation
[00:59] <heartsmagic> he is online right now, i asked, if he answered i'll tell you
[01:02] <LjL> cool
[01:02] <LjL> was the approval decided during the CC meeting of 21 february?
[01:02] <heartsmagic> yeah LjL prolly
[01:02] <heartsmagic> ok he answered
[01:02] <heartsmagic> should i invite him here?
[01:02] <LjL> feel free to invite him here, yes
[01:04] <heartsmagic> hmm, i think they want to continue as the owner of the channel
[01:07] <LjL> oh, i see ekovanci is online, could you invite?
[01:08] <heartsmagic> ok
[01:09] <heartsmagic> ok LjL i'll be the interpreter
[01:09] <LjL> hello ekovanci
[01:09] <LjL> ah thanks
[01:09] <ekovanci> hello LjL
[01:09] <heartsmagic> LjL: ekovanci knows the situation
[01:10] <LjL> i'd like to know in which CC meeting the team was approved, i don't see it in the february logs...
[01:11] <heartsmagic> ok, he thinks it is approximately one month, like me
[01:11] <LjL> don't remember the day of the meeting? :|
[01:11] <heartsmagic> nope, sorry
[01:12] <LjL> the last CC meeting was on 21 February, that i can see, but there is no mention of the Turkish LoCo Team
[01:12] <heartsmagic> LjL: ekovanci wasnt in the project when we approved
[01:13] <heartsmagic> i dont know in which meeting but we saw our names on the approved section
[01:13] <LjL> uh, who was leading the team at that time?
[01:14] <heartsmagic> he was kerem ongan
[01:16] <LjL> can't see that name on launchpad
[01:16] <heartsmagic> on turkish team? he quit
[01:16] <LjL> no, anywhere
[01:17] <heartsmagic> ok i think this is because
[01:17] <heartsmagic> the project is hold with a group in here, OpenSource-Tr
[01:17] <heartsmagic> and kerem was a member of this group
[01:18] <heartsmagic> but actually we havnt started the project, serdar mete has
[01:18] <heartsmagic> after some time, canonical gave us the project
[01:20] <LjL> where does #ubuntu.tr fall in the picture?
[01:21] <heartsmagic> when ubuntu-tr.com was active
[01:21] <heartsmagic> 1,5 years ago i think or some more
[01:21] <heartsmagic> after that ubuntu-tr.com dropped
[01:22] <LjL> this seems a bit like a mess, honestly :|
[01:23] <heartsmagic> yes a big mess :) i am sorry
[01:24] <heartsmagic> but now we are the only project holders of k/ubuntu-tr.org , ekovanci and me
[01:24] <heartsmagic> but we are tied to Opensource-tr
[01:25] <LjL> well, the problem here is... if you are the official, approved Ubuntu LoCo Team for Turkey, then you should in theory control the #ubuntu-tr channel
[01:25] <heartsmagic> but ubuntu-tr is so old, before ubuntu-tr.org
[01:25] <LjL> (at least, the problem as far as the irc council is concerned)
[01:25] <heartsmagic> the owner of ubuntu-tr.com dropped the domain
[01:26] <LjL> well, but the channel is still active
[01:26] <heartsmagic> so what can we do now?
[01:26] <LjL> i don't know. LoCo teams are usually approved by the Community Council during a public meeting, but i can find no such meeting
[01:27] <heartsmagic> so who approved us?
[01:27] <Seeker`> There aren't any logs that support the approval in the "MeetingLogs" section of the wiki
[01:27] <LjL> i don't know... how did you get to know you had been approved, to begin with?
[01:28] <heartsmagic> just check the wiki :)
[01:28] <heartsmagic> nobody came to us
[01:28] <Seeker`> which goes back to November 2005
[01:28] <LjL> heartsmagic, but the wiki was changed by the user "Ubuntuturkey"
[01:28] <LjL> which i guess is/was a fictious name for the whole team
[01:29] <heartsmagic> we don'k know him or her
[01:29] <heartsmagic> but one of our old project workers is Yaman Akçalı
[01:29] <Seeker`> The "Ubuntuturkey" user's home page was created on the 25th february
[01:29] <heartsmagic> imho he is working or was working for canonical
[01:31] <heartsmagic> or maybe Serdar Mete
[01:31] <heartsmagic> founder of ubuntu-tr.info , after that we moved to ubuntu-tr.org
[01:32] <heartsmagic> i think Serdar Mete talked to you at the beginning of the project
[01:34] <heartsmagic> LjL: if you give me abit time, i'll the exact approval date
[01:34] <heartsmagic> but just adding the wiki time
[01:35] <LjL> if you could clarify this for me, i'd be glad
[01:35] <heartsmagic> ok i am checking the logs
[01:39] <heartsmagic> LjL: got it
[01:39] <heartsmagic> 2008-03-26
[01:41] <heartsmagic> LjL: as you see, we dont know who approved us, or who is ubuntuturkiye on the wiki
[01:41] <heartsmagic> how can we clarify this?
[01:42] <LjL> heartsmagic, i'm not sure, i'll try to get in contact with the loco team coordination about this
[01:42] <LjL> could you stay joined to this channel for some days, please?
[01:42] <heartsmagic> ok no problem
[02:53] <ekovanci> herkese iyi geceler
[14:17] <Nafallo> !ask
[14:17] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[17:02] <raptoid> hi
[17:02] <raptoid> everyone..
[17:03] <raptoid> i need a forwarding channel command ..
[17:03] <raptoid> ?
[17:04] <Myrtti> it's basically a ban
[17:04] <Myrtti> I think
[17:05] <pleia2> raptoid: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/MovingChannels
[17:06] <pleia2> is that what you meant?
[20:14] <heartsmagic> hello
[20:25] <LjL> hi
[20:28] <heartsmagic> LjL: have you learned the approval date and who did it?
[22:13] <LjL> heartsmagic, nope
[22:13] <heartsmagic> weird
[22:13] <heartsmagic> cant you check who edited the wiki?
[22:20] <LjL> heartsmagic: not beyond knowing it was the Ubuntuturkey nickname
[22:21] <heartsmagic> so weird
[22:21] <heartsmagic> do you know Yaman Akçalı?
[22:27] <LjL> afraid not
[22:27] <LjL> i'm just an irc person, i've only accidentally stumbled into this issue
[22:29] <heartsmagic> with who should we talk this issue?
[22:36] <RoAkSoAx> hi LjL :)