[00:09] <Fujitsu> fta: Take the distros/ out of the URL, and it will work.
[00:09] <Fujitsu> I filed a bug on that many moons ago.
[00:21] <fta> oh, i remember, not the 1st time i report that here either.
[00:32] <Fujitsu> fta: I thought I'd answered that question from you before, yeah.
[00:41] <fta> broken rss feed i guess
[00:41] <fta> strange it's fine most of the time
[01:02] <Fujitsu> fta: It's only for SPRs with epochs.
[01:15] <emgent> hello
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[02:42] <clsk> how long does it normally take to import an svn tree after I edit the trunk details to do so?
[02:43] <mwhudson> clsk: it can take a long time if you don't ask a question or ask in here
[02:44] <mwhudson> clsk: which import is it?
[02:47] <clsk> oh
[02:47] <clsk> for mira
[02:47] <clsk> https://launchpad.net/mira/trunk specifically
[02:52] <clsk> Should I ask a question in launchpad or would someone from here be able to do it?
[03:02] <mwhudson> clsk: i'll do it
[03:03] <mwhudson> clsk: do you want one branch with all of mira-client, mira-server, mira-common in it?
[03:04] <clsk> hmm
[03:05] <clsk> if it's all one branch will it be possible for people to get only mira-client later?
[03:07] <mwhudson> no
[03:07] <clsk> oh.. then no. It'd be better to have separate branches for them.
[03:08] <clsk> We only need mira-client and mira-server though
[03:09] <mwhudson> i guess you might want to set up mira-client and mira-server products then
[03:09] <mwhudson> or just separate series
[03:10] <mwhudson> clsk: tell me when you've put the new details in :)
[03:10] <clsk> hm lets see
[03:11] <clsk> how can I register separate products within the project?
[03:14] <mwhudson> oops
[03:14] <mwhudson> i meant to say project above
[03:14] <mwhudson> 'project groups' can contain projects
[03:15] <mwhudson> but it takes an admin to create a project group
[03:16] <clsk> hm I'll just create two separate series then
[03:17] <mwhudson> ok
[03:27] <clsk> now here's the thing, what we're planning to do is to move to bazaar completely and the branch be hosted at launchpad. so I'll only need to for it to be imported once and not updated
[03:28] <mwhudson> oh right
[03:28] <mwhudson> there are other options for a one shot conversion
[03:28] <mwhudson> like svn2bzr
[03:28] <mwhudson> which require less depending on operator assistance
[03:29] <mwhudson> (also: cool that you're moving to launchpad)
[03:32] <clsk> hm perhaps I should just do that
[03:34] <clsk> hm so with bazaar it's not possible to check out a part of a branch?
[03:34] <spiv> Not yet.
[03:35] <spiv> The bazaar community discussed how to do it at a recent sprint.
[03:35] <spiv> It's just a matter of waiting for someone to write it now ;)
[03:52] <clsk> hm well in that case then, mwhudson, if you could just do the import the way it is right now (with mira-client mira-server and mira-common).
[03:52] <clsk> right now it is necessary to get all the folders, I was only worried for the future since that won't be a requirement later on
[03:53] <mwhudson> i've started it
[03:55] <clsk> thanks
[03:55]  * Hobbsee wonders if the criteria for a cherry pick ever got made public
[03:57] <lifeless> of launchpad ?
[03:58] <emgent> morning
[04:19] <Hobbsee> lifeless: yes
[04:19] <lifeless> Hobbsee: there isn't strict criteria
[04:20] <thumper> Hobbsee: something baaaaad !
[04:20] <Hobbsee> lifeless: oh, i thought there was a list of the.
[04:20] <Hobbsee> m
[04:21] <Hobbsee> thumper: that affects a large number of people, i take it
[04:22] <thumper> Hobbsee: something like that
[04:22] <Hobbsee> thumper: so i hadn't gottne it wrong.  I'll mark in the release todo lists to check that launchpad hasn't broken, so we won't be in this same situation for intrepid.  Thanks.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> hurrah, wiki changing works
[04:44]  * Hobbsee files a bug on the breakage, just so it doesn't get lost, and hopes it gets fixed
[04:45] <jamesh> Hobbsee: the criteria is that the change gets approved by kiko or SteveA
[04:46] <Hobbsee> jamesh: ahhh
[04:46] <Hobbsee> jamesh: cool, thanks.
[04:48] <jamesh> there isn't any strict rules about what they'll approve, but we try to keep mid-release cherry picks to a minimum
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #217570 in soyuz "Accepting packages from the launchpad UI causes OOPSes." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217570
[04:52] <Hobbsee> jamesh: yeah.  Although there's no guarentee that other things underneath won't have broken too, so it's safer to leave it as it is, as it does work on drescher still
[04:57] <jamesh> Hobbsee: for stuff like the above, we might not cherry pick if it only affects a small number of people and we can make edge usable in that time.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> jamesh: oh, so you might look at making edge work?
[04:58] <jamesh> not me personally
[04:58] <jamesh> while we're in database freeze, edge is running the current development version of LP
[04:59] <jamesh> so, if the problem gets fixed there it should be usable within a day
[05:00] <Fujitsu> Ah, so you have a set DB freeze? I wondered why edge always tracked RF for a significant part of the month.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> jamesh: yeah, i meant you collectively.
[05:01]  * Hobbsee nods.  cool
[05:01] <jamesh> Fujitsu: yeah.  We bunch up the database changes so that we can test current code against production.
[05:01] <Fujitsu> That makes sense.
[05:01] <jamesh> once the current code depends on a modified database schema, that isn't possible any more
[05:01] <Fujitsu> Right.
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[07:42] <Ademan> hey this is mildly offtopic, i'm looking at using zope to write a community website, and i was told launchpad uses it.  My first question is: does launchpad use CMF? (if that is known) and secondly am i the only one launchpad is pretty slow for?
[07:46] <jamesh> Ademan: it doesn't use CMF
[07:47] <jamesh> it doesn't use any Zope 2 stuff
[07:54] <Ademan> jamesh: ? zope3? or what? (i honestly have yet to touch zope, i'm trying to get a feel for what's out there before i dedicate time and energy to learning them, which may turn out to be a bad way to go about things.... but whatever)
[07:54] <jamesh> Ademan: zope 3
[07:54] <Ademan> jamesh: ah, so cmf is zope2?
[07:54] <Ademan> well i noticed the package depended on zope2
[07:54] <jamesh> yeah
[07:54] <jamesh> we're just using zope 3 component framework
[07:55] <Ademan> are you part of the dev team? (i know i've seen you around before, i just assumed you were sorta a community guru lol)
[08:05] <Ademan> jamesh: oh wait it's #gnome-hackers i've seen you in before...
[08:05] <jamesh> Ademan: I am a Launchpad developer, and have done a lot of Gnome stuff too
[08:06] <Ademan> jamesh: ah, awesome actually, are you in a position to make a comment one way or another about using zope? like i said i'm trying to get a feel for what's out there, i'm a big fan of python so i wanted to check out zope
[08:07] <jamesh> Ademan: grok is probably the easiest place to get started on writing Zope 3 apps
[08:07] <jamesh> http://grok.zope.org/
[08:08] <Ademan> thanks, i actually haven't the slightest clue what zope really provides the developer, so i'm probably better off doing some reading rather than bugging people.
[08:24] <al-maisan> Ademan: just in case you consider buying a book on zope: I am currently reading http://www.amazon.com/Web-Component-Development-Zope-3/dp/354076447X/ and it's worth a look..
[08:25] <Ademan> al-maisan: thanks, zope definitely has my attention right now
[08:34] <carlos> morning
[09:06] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:10] <Fujitsu> Hi bad-timezoned mpt.
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #217626 in rosetta "Firefox / Xulrunner better explanations for command / access key translating" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217626
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #201398 in soyuz "generate-contents doesn't have permission to write to its temporary configuration file" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201398
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[11:08] <jscinoz> PPA seems broken >_<
[11:08] <jscinoz> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13461391/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.urbanterror-data_4.1-0ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:08] <jscinoz> failed to build, but log says it built fine
[11:09] <cprov> jscinoz: can you point me to the build page ? I guess it's failed-to-upload error.
[11:10] <jscinoz> yes, one sec
[11:10] <jscinoz> https://edge.launchpad.net/~jscinoz/+archive/+build/562758
[11:10] <jscinoz> and yes it is failed to upload
[11:11] <jscinoz> hmm
[11:11] <jscinoz> why are superseded packages still counted in archive size?
[11:11] <jscinoz> shouldnt the old versions be deleted?
[11:11] <cprov> jscinoz: you should have received a email with more details about the failure
[11:11] <jscinoz> one moment.
[11:12] <cprov> jscinoz: they are excluded when they get removed from the archive.
[11:12] <jscinoz> so... i'd need to compeltely delete that package, then reupload just the latest?
[11:13] <jscinoz> cprov pastebin of email http://pastebin.com/m7b2763ed
[11:13] <jscinoz> wait i see the problem >_<
[11:13] <jscinoz> ah darnit, i get to upload the whole 710mb package again with a one line change >_<
[11:14] <jscinoz> hmm thats strange,
[11:14] <jscinoz> i already had the pre-depends line it wanted in my debian/control...
[11:15] <cprov> jscinoz: you don't have to re-upload the orig
[11:15] <jscinoz> oh?
[11:15] <jscinoz> what changes need to be made to the dput line to exlude orig?
[11:15] <cprov> jscinoz: create a new source version with 'debuild -S' based on the orig that launchpad already has
[11:15] <jscinoz> oh thanks
[11:15] <jscinoz> still its strange
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #217656 in rosetta "Menu overlay while translating" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217656
[11:16] <jscinoz> it complains about not having the pre-depends
[11:16] <jscinoz> and its there...
[11:20] <jscinoz> very strange.
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[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #217681 in rosetta "Super fast imports slow again" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217681
[13:03] <hubuntu> so I have sort of a bug but this one is very irritating to many people besides me
[13:04] <hubuntu> I can'æt unsubscribe the Spanish Speaking LoCoTams from the System76 team
[13:04] <hubuntu> and all bugs messages get sent to me and many other members of the team.. which is, of course, irritating for hundreds of people
[13:05] <hubuntu> I see something similar but not wuite the same bug, shall i file it as a standalone bug or try to link it to similar bugs?
[13:05] <hubuntu> suggestions anyone?
[13:06] <Fujitsu> hubuntu: Do you mean your team is a member of the System76 team?
[13:06] <andrea-bs> hubuntu: are you the administrator of System76?
[13:06] <hubuntu> nope
[13:06] <hubuntu> but the admin for the spanish team
[13:06] <hubuntu> guive you an example
[13:06] <hubuntu> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/system76/+bug/136467 se the subscribers
[13:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136467 in system76 "Add Windows to a System76 Computer" [Medium,Fix released] 
[13:06] <hubuntu> I can't find a way to unsubscribe
[13:06] <Fujitsu> Ah, the system76 project?
[13:07] <hubuntu> yeah, the project, not the team
[13:07] <hubuntu> sorry
[13:07] <andrea-bs> hubuntu: https://launchpad.net/system76/+subscribe
[13:08] <Fujitsu> Why that's not on the Bugs tab I don't know.
[13:08]  * Fujitsu files a bug.
[13:08] <andrea-bs> Fujitsu: the team is subscribed to mail notifications
[13:08] <Fujitsu> andrea-bs: I'm aware.
[13:08] <hubuntu> I should have seen it, but it's not like intuitive if you see the number of correlated bugs (or maybe I am just a bit slow today...)
[13:08] <Fujitsu> But the link for that should be on the Bugs tab.
[13:09] <andrea-bs> Right
[13:10] <hubuntu> the individaul bug doesn't have the option, it is just at the project level it seems
[13:10] <hubuntu> anyway, thanks!
[13:10] <hubuntu> :)
[13:10] <hubuntu> I just tested openID on liveJournal.. it works like a charm
[13:10] <andrea-bs> hubuntu: did you open the page I have linked you?
[13:11] <hubuntu> now I want to use it in our loco team website: ubuntu.ec
[13:11] <hubuntu> should i just add the openID module to drupal and add Launchpad as a OpenID provider or is there something else I should do
[13:11] <hubuntu> ?
[13:11] <hubuntu> yeas andrea-bs AND IT WORKED
[13:11] <hubuntu> sorry for the caps
[13:15] <hubuntu> andrea-bs, I did and i have already unsubscribed the team
[13:16] <andrea-bs> hubuntu: great ;)
[13:18] <hubuntu> I'm gonna test OpenID and get back to you guys and girls if i need help ;)
[13:21] <ubotu> New bug: #217698 in malone "Project/distro bugmail subscription page should be under Bugs tab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217698
[13:23] <coolbhavi> hi andrea-bs
[13:23] <andrea-bs> heya coolbhavi
[13:24] <coolbhavi> As a member of the help team I wanted to ask one thing... Is it possible for the ubuntu guys to make helpteam assign questions to each individual depending on their efficiency to solve a problem so that we can ensure better quality support?
[13:24] <coolbhavi> andrea-bs your thoughts
[13:24] <coolbhavi> ?
[13:25] <andrea-bs> coolbhavi: I agree with you (in fact I have confirmed your bug on Launchpad), but I can't do anything else :(
[13:28] <andrea-bs> mh... I see that I didn't confirm it only now
[13:28] <coolbhavi> :)
[13:44] <hubuntu> coolbhavi, it should be implemented through an option and make it possible to unsubscribe from the "i'm good at answering questions" option ;)
[13:44] <coolbhavi> yes hubuntu
[13:45] <hubuntu> so \sh don't get mad if he gets a bug ;)
[13:45] <hubuntu> assigned I mean... 
[13:45] <coolbhavi> hubuntu hehe
[13:46] <bimberi> mrevell: thanks :)
[13:47] <mrevell> hi bimberi - what for? :)
[13:47] <bimberi> mrevell: beta testers approval
[13:47] <mrevell> bimberi: Ah, you're welcome!
[14:06] <ubotu> New bug: #217718 in launchpad-documentation "We don't communicate manual data exports" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217718
[14:21] <Hobbsee> bugs by email don'tn work now?
[14:22] <Hobbsee> oh, it's finally come up.  nvm
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[14:55] <ubotu> New bug: #217738 in malone/1.2 "Make it possible to block comment pushing for a single bug tracker" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217738
[15:11] <ubotu> New bug: #217746 in ubuntu "Launchpad bug report me only when someone else changes  (dup-of: 548)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217746
[15:43] <Adam24> can anyone help me?
[15:45] <stdin> have you asked a question?
[15:46] <stdin> "<Adam24> can anyone help me?" you have to ask an actual question to get help
[15:47] <Adam24> Can anyone help me register for launchpad?
[15:48] <intellectronica> Adam24: sure, what's the problem?
[15:59] <Adam24> intellectronica: did you get my answer?
[15:59] <intellectronica> Adam24: i don't think so
[16:00] <intellectronica> Adam24: my question was: did you check your spam folder to see whether the confirmation email landed there by accident?
[16:01] <intellectronica> Adam24: b.t.w there's a pretty good help document on registering new accounts at https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/NewAccount which you may be interested to read
[16:03] <Adam24> <intellectronica> What is the email address the confirmation comes from?
[16:05] <intellectronica> Adam24: noreply@launchpad.net
[16:09] <adam24> intellelectronica  sory for disconnecting.
[16:14] <adam24> intellelectronica: you there?
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[16:29] <intellectronica> adam24: still around?
[16:29] <intellectronica> adam24: any luck finding that confirmation email?
[16:30] <adam24> intellectronica: nope
[16:31] <intellectronica> adam24: so, you entered your email, clicked [Register], but never received the confirmation email?
[16:31] <intellectronica> adam24: would you like to try again, to see whether something got confused the first time around?
[16:31] <adam24> intellectronica: nope
[16:31] <adam24> yes
[16:32] <adam24> i would
[16:33] <intellectronica> adam24: cool. let me know how that worked
[16:35] <adam24> intellectronica: It worked!  Did you fix it?
[16:36] <intellectronica> adam24: no, i guess something just went wrong the first time around. maybe you misspelled the email or something?...
[16:36] <adam24> intellectronica: thanks for your help!
[16:36] <intellectronica> adam24: pleasure. and welcome to Launchpad!
[16:38] <adam24> intellectronica: I'll definitely enjoy launchpad!  Do you have a profile on launchpad?
[16:39] <intellectronica> adam24: https://launchpad.net/~intellectronica
[16:43] <adam24> intellectronica: ok, thanks.  cya!
[16:46] <adam24> intellectronica: Oh yeah, is there a way I can get an Ubuntu 7.10 cd mailed to me?
[16:47] <intellectronica> adam24: i don't think so. i think only the latest version gets emailed. i'm no expert on ubuntu stuff, though
[16:48] <adam24> intellectronica: the site says they can be sent via ShipIt.
[16:48] <al-maisa1> adam24: try https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[16:48] <adam24> ShipIt is currently closed  We'll be back in a few days, shipping Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) CDs. 
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[16:49]  * intellectronica wrote emailed instead of posted. huh huh
[16:49] <intellectronica> adam24: that must be a mistake. the next version is 8.04
[16:50] <adam24> intellectronica: ShipIt is currently closed while we prepare for the Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) release. We'll be back in a few days. 
[16:50] <salgado> it is a mistake indeed. we'll be back in a few days shipping 8.04
[16:51] <Hobbsee> so, if i accept packages from staging, it won't touch the regular archive, right?
[16:53] <Hobbsee> i sure hope not, anyway
[16:57] <Hobbsee> matsubara: why do things not die when you test them again?  it's really quite annoying.
[16:58] <matsubara> Hobbsee, nope, it won't touch the regular archive
[16:59] <Hobbsee> matsubara: good, else slangasek would kill me, and i don't feel like dying today
[16:59] <matsubara> Hobbsee, and yes, it's annoying when things just work when you're showing that they're broken.
[16:59] <Hobbsee> matsubara: it had repeatedly broken for me before. :(
[17:00] <Hobbsee> matsubara: want it as invalid / fix released / something else, as you want to deal with the general load problems?
[17:00] <matsubara> yep, I noticed that, the OOPSes i added to the report have your name all over them
[17:00] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[17:00] <Hobbsee> well, i *am* the only one who actually has to use that section, so tha'ts logical.
[17:01] <Hobbsee> everyone else just uses the queue on drescher, it apperas.
[17:01] <matsubara> hehe that's what cprov told me. you're the only one using that page. :-)
[17:01] <Hobbsee> matsubara: it's unfortunate in a way - means i can never justify my own bugs for it getting fixed, due to so little people using it.
[17:02] <matsubara> anyway, the soyuz guys are planning a page redesign and told me that they'll keep the timeout in mind. I'll also keep an eye for a spike in timeouts in that area
[17:03] <Hobbsee> matsubara: cool.  Yeah, i've heard about more people being added to it - i just hope they fix my bugs (mostly cosmetic) before htey do.
[17:20] <ubotu> New bug: #217803 in launchpad-documentation "+junk branches are not documented" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217803
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[21:32] <XiXaQ> there was a question in a Ubuntu channel about how many unique bug reporters there are. Is there any way to find that information on launchpad.net? 
[21:35] <XiXaQ> and if not, if someone with database access could find out? It should be a simple sql statement.. 
[21:38] <kiko-fud> XiXaQ, yes, I could query for you. for ubuntu, right?
[21:38] <XiXaQ> right.
[21:41] <kiko-fud>  count 
[21:41] <kiko-fud> -------
[21:41] <kiko-fud>  48265
[21:48] <XiXaQ> that's unique registered users who has been the initial reporter of a bug? 
[21:52] <XiXaQ> kiko-fud?
[21:58] <kiko-fud> XiXaQ, yes
[21:59] <XiXaQ> kiko-fud, how many anonymous are there? :)
[21:59] <kiko-fud> none
[22:01] <XiXaQ> huh? 
[22:02] <XiXaQ> you don't have to register in order to file automatic crash reports, for instance, but they are available on launchpad anyway, aren't they? 
[22:08] <kiko-fud> XiXaQ, no, you need to register in launchpad to file bugs, always.
[22:09] <kiko-fud> automatic crash reports can be uploaded anonymously, but just that.
[22:09] <kiko-fud> they aren't linked to a bug until you report it.
[22:09] <XiXaQ> oh.. 
[22:10] <kiko-fud> oh. :)
[22:10] <XiXaQ> kiko-fud, does that mean all automated bug reports must be reported manually by someone else? 
[22:10] <kiko-fud> by the user himself!
[22:11] <XiXaQ> kiko-fud, luckily, it's been a while since I've seen that crash report thingie, but I haven't noticed any login-box there? 
[22:13] <kiko-fud> you're confused. you upload the crash report, but then firefox starts up so you can complete the report!
[22:15] <XiXaQ> oh, I see. :)
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