[00:00] <Kill_X> goodhabit, then answer all with no. If you get messages like "If you want to disable this program, you should do so manually.", simply hit enter.
[00:00] <r00723r0> Exilant, any suggestions?
[00:00] <h4mx0r> could someone here with working sound on hardy pastebin their /etc/group for me?
[00:01] <goodhabit> Kill_X, when it ask yes or no, I am just pressing enter too. It puts no afaik?
[00:01] <Kill_X> goodhabit, after the profiling is complete you should be able to read out temperatures using any lm-sensors capable software.
[00:01] <Kill_X> goodhabit, it does.
[00:01] <goodhabit> Kill_X, for example what software?
[00:02] <r00723r0> ... anyone?
[00:02] <r00723r0> There's no way to add the graphics line?
[00:02] <Fritzel> how can I install traditional xmms?
[00:02] <Fritzel> xmms2 doesn't work with gtkpod
[00:02] <Fritzel> xmms doesn't appear to be listed in the repos
[00:03] <Kill_X> goodhabit, there are various gdesklets plugins, as well as sensord, which is a monitoring daemon
[00:03] <Kill_X> goodhabit, if you want to have that info in your gnome-panel, you might want to install sensor-applet, too
[00:04] <goodhabit> Kill_X, profiles is done.
[00:04] <Kill_X> goodhabit, sry, sensors-applet
[00:04] <goodhabit> Kill_X, installed.
[00:04] <goodhabit> How to run it?
[00:05] <swuboo> Fritzel: Audacious not to your liking, then?
[00:05] <Fritzel> audacious is to my liking but it isn't to the liking of the ipod tutorial
[00:05] <Fritzel> and I don't know how to call xmms2 to get gtkpod to work properly
[00:06] <swuboo> Fair enough.
[00:06] <Fritzel> by default gtkpod uses xmms so if I can get that installed I should be golden
[00:06] <Kill_X> goodhabit, now enter 'sudo sensors-detect' within a terminal window
[00:06] <Fritzel> but I don't have a clue how to go about doing that short of source
[00:06] <Exilant> r00723r0: that's a bit difficult right now, ubuntu switched to a more autodetect-like way of ignoring parts of xorg.conf
[00:06] <r00723r0> Exilant, ...
[00:06] <r00723r0> It didn't add DRI or GLX for me, and didn't add ARGBGLXVisuals.
[00:07] <Kill_X> goodhabit, answer every question which asks if you want to scan the detected bus with YES
[00:07] <Exilant> so, you can modify the file by hand, use restricted-driver-manager
[00:07] <goodhabit> Kill_X, Do you want to add these lines automatically? (yes/NO)
[00:08] <Kill_X> goodhabit, yes ;)
[00:08] <Exilant> dunno what is planned as a frontend
[00:08] <goodhabit> Kill_X, finished.
[00:08] <Kill_X> goodhabit, now you might want to reboot
[00:08] <Luckrider> at least log out with control alt backspace
[00:08] <Kill_X> goodhabit, after that you should be able to read out temperatures and further infos
[00:09] <goodhabit> Kill_X, got it.
[00:09] <goodhabit> How to read it after reboot?
[00:11] <swuboo> 'sensors' will give a quick readout and show whether it's working properly.
[00:11] <Kill_X> goodhabit,  using 'sensors'
[00:12] <swuboo> For a more permanent solution, sensors-applet.
[00:12] <Kill_X> thx swuboo  :)
[00:12] <swuboo> Anytime.
[00:13] <Exilant> anybody got a cellphone-bluetooth-remote working in hardy?
[00:13] <swuboo> You know, it's truly annoying to spend three hours tweaking your Metacity, GTK, and GDM themes, only to open up Firefox and get confronted with that absolutely atrocious font rendering.
[00:13] <LiraNuna> hello, are there any guides about setting up dual seat in hardy?
[00:17] <swuboo> LiraNuna:  Dual seat?
[00:17] <LiraNuna> two users (or more) on one computer
[00:17] <LiraNuna> aka "multi-terminal"
[00:18] <blueyed> Does "sudo acpi_fakekey 150" open a browser for anyone? (acpi_fakekey fakes a keypress with KEY_WWW here)
[00:18] <swuboo> LiraNuna:  Ah.  I don't know, then.
[00:18] <swuboo> blueyed:  No, that does nothing.
[00:19] <blueyed> thanks, swuboo.
[00:19] <blueyed> Are multimediakeys working for anybody, like the browser button etc?
[00:20] <swuboo> blueyed:  My sound control keys are working, not sure about any others.  Let me poke some.
[00:21] <swuboo> ...my web key brings up FF.  You sure you had the right command?
[00:21] <goodhabit> Kill_X, just some last questions. What is AUX temp?
[00:21] <swuboo> goodhabit:  That depends on your individual motherboard.
[00:21] <Kill_X> goodhabit, that depends on your hardware
[00:22] <goodhabit> It is 124 C for me.
[00:22] <Kill_X> swuboo, :D
[00:22] <blueyed> swuboo: well.. than maybe the mapping is just wrong?!
[00:22] <goodhabit> I have asus p5k, what it can be?
[00:22] <goodhabit> Is it bad?
[00:22] <blueyed> swuboo: do the keypressed get logged in /var/log/acpid(?)
[00:22] <swuboo> goodhabit:  Mine, for example, has a sensor that consistently reports -17 C.
[00:22] <swuboo> blueyed:  Dunno.  I just hit the funny button with a globe, and, wham!  Firefox.
[00:22] <goodhabit> I see.
[00:22] <blueyed> swuboo: maybe try "ls -lt /var/log | head" to see what file has chnaged.
[00:23] <Kill_X> goodhabit, just ignore it for the time being. It just might read out some random value from your ACPI table.
[00:23] <swuboo> blueyed:  That doesn't really return anything useful; just log files.
[00:23] <blueyed> swuboo: ordered by date.
[00:24] <susanoo> does ubuntu supports gnash ?
[00:24] <swuboo> blueyed:  auth.log is the most recent, timestamped a few minutes before you asked me to run the fakekey command.
[00:24] <Kill_X> susanoo, there is a gnash package in ubuntu
[00:24] <Kill_X> !info gnash
[00:24] <ubotu> gnash (source: gnash): free SWF movie player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 328 kB, installed size 1000 kB
[00:24] <blueyed> swuboo: ok, thanks a lot.
[00:24] <swuboo> blueeyed:  Wait, I correct myself.  It's timestamped at the very same minute.
[00:25] <swuboo> wtmp is, too.
[00:25] <goodhabit> Thanks guys very very much.
[00:25] <goodhabit> Kill_X, bless you.
[00:25] <blueyed> swuboo: well, I don't think it gets logged there.. should be acpid IIRC
[00:25] <swuboo> goodhabit:  I wouldn't worry too much about the 124 degree temp; it's almost definitely inaccurate.
[00:26] <blueyed> swuboo: can you try running acpi_listen and press the key (www) again?
[00:26] <Kill_X> goodhabit, no problem. I'm glad was able to help you :)
[00:26] <swuboo> goodhabit:  Especially if you find something that actually identifies itself as your GPU and provides a more reasonable 50-80 degree figure.
[00:26] <swuboo> blueyed:  acpi_listen doesn't react.
[00:27] <blueyed> swuboo: ok, then it appears your WWW button is not used through acpid
[00:27] <swuboo> blueyed:  I always assumed it operated by voodoo.  I never use the damn thing.
[00:28] <Kill_X> goodhabit, about that 124 value, I know that ATI GPU temperatures are not accurately read out by lm-sensors, in some cases
[00:28] <goodhabit> What is AUX?
[00:28] <swuboo> Auxiliary.
[00:28] <LiraNuna> are there any guides about setting up dual seat in hardy?
[00:28] <swuboo> So, really, just about anything.
[00:29] <Kill_X> swuboo, goodhabit, might be an ATI graphics chip which is displaying in Fahrenheit rather than in Celsius
[00:29] <goodhabit> I have nvidia.
[00:30] <goodhabit> Nah, whatever.
[00:30] <goodhabit> I have just changed cpu.
[00:30] <goodhabit> And wanted to see how I set up cooler )
[00:30] <Kill_X> goodhabit, then you have something like  a GPU sensor
[00:30] <swuboo> Kill_X:  That's true.   Maybe his 12v rail with a misplaced decimal?
[00:30] <goodhabit> It was my first time )
[00:30] <goodhabit> So I have some renders here for heat testing.
[00:30] <swuboo> Kill_X:  Which makes no sense because his motherboard wouldn't be using decimal to begin with.  Ha!  Brain fart.
[00:30] <goodhabit> Once again huge thank guys.
[00:30] <goodhabit> ^)
[00:30]  * goodhabit newbie.
[00:30] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone have a hard time running dvd's in Hardy?
[00:31] <swuboo> Take 'er easy, goodhabit.
[00:31] <Kill_X> swuboo, no, it must be some fixed value read from firmware, which is not actually a sensor
[00:31] <Kill_X> swuboo, otherwise it would change
[00:32] <goodhabit> How I can read sysinfo from cpu? Vendor, etc, flags...
[00:32] <Kill_X> goodhabit, does the AUX-value change?
[00:32] <swuboo> Kill_X:  That's what my -17 almost definitely is.  Just for fun, I converted it to kelvin.  Wouldn't you know, it came out to 256?  What are the odds, eh?
[00:32] <goodhabit> Kill_X, I has swithed off it )
[00:32] <Kill_X> goodhabit, less /proc/cpuinfo
[00:32] <Kill_X> goodhabit, within a terminal
[00:33] <swuboo> goodhabit:  I do hope you're more interested in the flags than the vendor; one really ought to know who makes one's CPU.
[00:33] <Kill_X> swuboo, nice, but 42 would have been nicer ^^
[00:33] <swuboo> Kill_X:  42 was my employee number at my last job.  No one understood why I always laughed when I punched in.
[00:34] <Kill_X> swuboo, nice one :D
[00:35] <Kill_X> swuboo, mine's kinda boring, but easy to remember: 543
[00:35] <Kill_X> ^^
[00:35] <swuboo> Kill_X:  Not bad, not bad.  No 42 mind you, but not bad.
[00:35] <swuboo> Does anyone know if the fonts in Firefox are going to be fixed before release?
[00:36] <_Rambaldi_> you know how ie7 saves all files streamed in temporary internet folder, what browser saves like that. firefox deletes its files immediately even with cache at 1Gb
[00:37] <Kill_X> swuboo, and the funny thing is, my bank-card-PIN is almost the same, but I won't tell where and what number is missing xD
[00:37] <Kill_X> swuboo, what about the fonts in FF?
[00:37] <swuboo> Kill_X:  They're rendering abysmally.  Like, imcomprehensibly poorly.
[00:38] <swuboo> Kill:  I understood other people were having the same problem, but I could be wrong.
[00:39] <swuboo> Kill:  They tend to render tiny, ragged, and illegible; if I zoom them up enough that they're legible again, the formatting gets shot to Hell.
[00:39] <Kill_X> swuboo, I cannot confirm this behavior, what graphics-hardare are you using?
[00:39] <swuboo> Kill: nVidia, with the nvidia driver.
[00:39] <swuboo> Kill:  It's just Firefox, too.  Everything else renders gorgeously.  It's a sad thing when Firefox's fonts are uglier than Wine's.
[00:39] <Kill_X> swuboo, i'm on that one, too.
[00:39] <harveyd> I installed the hardy heron beta from cd today, and it will only let me login through "failsafe gnome"
[00:40] <harveyd> when I use a normal session, it boots me back to the login screen in the middle of loading
[00:40] <Kill_X> swuboo, open a new bug at launchpad with screenshots
[00:41] <Kill_X> that's the ony thing I can suggest at the moment
[00:41] <Kill_X> *only
[00:41] <harveyd> and this particular time, its not given me any panels, just a blank desktop with a hard drive that i managed to launch firefox from
[00:41] <swuboo> Kill:  Probably going to have to.
[00:42] <Kill_X> harveyd, please reboot from your CD and check it for errors. Your install media might be damaged.
[00:43] <harveyd> the same happened when I tried the live cd, if thats what you mean by "check it from errors"
[00:45] <ChaosTheory-> Just installed Hardy and the sound quality is terrible for some reason?
[00:45] <Kill_X> harveyd, in the boot menu of your live cd is a menu option like "check for errors"
[00:45] <RyanPrior> How ironic and disgraceful: Sun is certifying and promoting Ubuntu Hardy, when Hardy doesn't even run Java correctly.
[00:45] <swuboo> Kill, here's a screenshot.  http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotqs0.png
[00:45] <swuboo> That's nytimes.com with the text at default zoom level.
[00:46] <_derspankster> RyanPrior: Really?
[00:46] <swuboo> Note that all the text outside the webpage is entirely nice.
[00:46] <RyanPrior> _derspankster: All true.
[00:46] <ChaosTheory->  Anyone know why?
[00:46] <_derspankster> RyanPrior: Isn't Hardy still beta?
[00:46] <ChaosTheory-> Or is it Firefox's problem?
[00:46] <RyanPrior> _derspankster: Yeah, for like another week.
[00:47] <RyanPrior> It may be Firefox's problem, but if I can't tell the difference, consumers won't be able to.
[00:47] <ChaosTheory-> I don't have any music to play.
[00:48] <RyanPrior> ChaosTheory-: there's some music in the Examples folder.
[00:48] <_derspankster> RyanPrior: release date for final still the 24th?
[00:48] <RyanPrior> ChaosTheory-: /usr/share/example-content
[00:48] <RyanPrior> !hardy | _derspankster
[00:48] <ubotu> _derspankster: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[00:49] <ChaosTheory-> These files aren't even playing.
[00:49] <Kill_X> swuboo, it seems that this one is a problem of nytimes.com, not a ubuntu package
[00:50] <RyanPrior> ChaosTheory-: sounds like your install is pretty screwy then.
[00:50] <RyanPrior> Kill_X: No, it's not an nytimes.com problem - I went to that page earlier today and it looked fine.
[00:50] <swuboo> Kill_X:  It happens on more websites than just the Times.
[00:50] <swuboo> Kill_X:  Fark, slashdot, most pages actually.
[00:50] <ChaosTheory-> So either I reinstall Gutsy or go a week without sound?
[00:51] <RyanPrior> ChaosTheory-: if installing Gutsy wouldn't be too difficult, go for it. I wouldn't count on too many big bug fixes landing in the next week -- if anything in Hardy sucks at this point, it will probably still suck on release day. Hence my depression about the Java scenario.
[00:52] <ChaosTheory-> Blegh.
[00:52] <Kill_X> swuboo, RyanPrior, I can reproduce this one on nytimes, but not on slashdot or fark
[00:52] <ChaosTheory-> And I can't "revert," if I'm correct.
[00:52] <crimsun> ChaosTheory-: can you be more detailed/verbose?
[00:52] <RyanPrior> Kill_X: all three websites look fine and dandy to me. Did you hit ctrl+0?
[00:52] <ChaosTheory-> Can I go install Gutsy without reinstalling it over again from the LiveCD?
[00:52] <crimsun> ChaosTheory-: i.e., run the alsa-info.sh script on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[00:53] <swuboo> Kill_X:  Slashdot and Fark produce non-tiny fonts for me, but the rendering is off.
[00:53] <Kill_X> RyanPrior, I did on nytimes, fonts are definitely to small, seems to be a rendering problem caused by the site itself
[00:53] <swuboo> Kill_X:  No, wait, fark's pretty tiny.
[00:53] <RyanPrior> Kill_X: And you're using the latest updated Hardy?
[00:53] <Kill_X> slashdot and fark are fine
[00:54] <Kill_X> RyanPrior, I am.
[00:54] <RyanPrior> Kill_X: Have you tried running in a blank FF profile?
[00:54] <_derspankster> so, what's the issue with java? I seem to be OK
[00:54] <swuboo> RyanPrior:  I'm the one that's actually having the difficulty, not Kill.
[00:54] <RyanPrior> _derspankster: Do Java applets run in Firefox?
[00:54] <Kill_X> RyanPrior, not yet, that's what I'm about to do right now.
[00:54] <_derspankster> Seem to be running OK
[00:54] <RyanPrior> swuboo: Both of you are able to reproduce the bug, so I'd say you're both having the difficulty. :-)
[00:55] <ChaosTheory-> Wow. So I unmuted some things, apparently, in alsamixer and everything seems to be fixed?
[00:55] <ChaosTheory-> =D
[00:55] <swuboo> Touche.
[00:55] <ChaosTheory-> Or not. -_-
[00:55] <RyanPrior> swuboo: I would also suggest that you try running in a fresh FF profile.
[00:56] <swuboo> RyanPrior:  Where's the damn menu option for profiles?
[00:56] <RyanPrior> swuboo: It's hidden nowadays. You have to run firefox with a command line option like --profile-manager or something.
[00:56] <swuboo> RyanPrior:  ...that was not meant to be phrased as a peremptory demand, just to clarify.
[00:56] <RyanPrior> firefox -ProfileManager
[00:57] <RyanPrior> ought to do it for ya
[00:57] <crimsun> ChaosTheory-: still awaiting output from that script..
[00:57] <ChaosTheory-> crimsun: Sorry, one second.
[00:57] <swuboo> Fresh profile does not help.
[00:57] <Kill_X> RyanPrior, nytimes' font size is still very small with a new, completely clear profile
[00:58] <ChaosTheory-> crimsun, ./alsa-info.sh --no-upload, right?
[00:58] <Kill_X> this must be a design-flaw @ nytimes.com, not FF
[00:58] <Scunizi> anyone have the link to Hardy Server beta dowloads?  I can't seem to find it and upgrading from Gutsy fails.
[00:58] <RyanPrior> Kill_X: That is weird. Nytimes renders fine for me.
[00:58] <crimsun> ChaosTheory-: sure, but then you have to pastebin the contents of the dump file from /tmp
[00:58] <Kill_X> fark and ./ are still fine
[00:58] <swuboo> Kill:  Whereas both are small and poorly rendered for me, too.
[00:58] <RyanPrior> I sec, will be back.
[00:59] <swuboo> Nowhere near as bad, though.
[00:59] <Kill_X> RyanPrior, it does render fine, but it is very small
[00:59] <Kill_X> as I said, no bug in FF
[00:59] <Kill_X> but in the CSS settings of nytimes.com
[01:00] <swuboo> Kill: I never had a problem like this under FF3.  Just last week under Gutsy, it was rendering right as rain.
[01:00] <swuboo> Kill_X, RyanPrior:  Here's /.:http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3vo2.png
[01:01] <ChaosTheory-> crimsun: sudo: ./alsa-info.sh: command not found -- I download to the desktop and I'm in desktop in terminal?
[01:01] <swuboo> As I said, nowhere near as bad, but still pretty awful.
[01:01] <crimsun> ChaosTheory-: bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh
[01:01] <crimsun> ChaosTheory-: [if you downloaded it to the Desktop]
[01:02] <RyanPrior> I downloaded the very latest updates, created a new FF profile, and checked NY times - completely fine on my install.
[01:02] <ChaosTheory-> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/985400
[01:02] <crimsun> ChaosTheory-: sec.
[01:02] <swuboo> RyanPrior:  Out of curiosity, what architecture are you running?  I know Kill_X is i386, and I'm on AMD64.
[01:02] <Kill_X> swuboo, I'm not able to reproduce, I see you have modified your desktop theme and FF theme, try to revert and see if this still occurs
[01:02] <RyanPrior> I'm on a Celeron M processor, i386.
[01:03] <RyanPrior> Crappy craptop is crappy.
[01:03] <swuboo> Kill_X:  I only modified those themes today.  Been having the bug for days.
[01:03] <swuboo> Kill_X:  And it's a Metacity/GTK theme only, the Firefox theme hasn't been altered.
[01:03] <RyanPrior> Ooh, here's a possibility: I have MS fonts installed, do you?
[01:03] <crimsun> ChaosTheory-: ah, looks like your state file got wonked.
[01:04] <Kill_X> swuboo, please create a new profile by quitting all FF instances and launching 'firefox -ProfileManager'
[01:04] <swuboo> RyanPrior:  Not sure.
[01:04] <ChaosTheory-> crimsun: Is there a cure? How many hours left does she have? =D
[01:04] <Kill_X> swuboo, then get on these sites again and confirm the behavior, if possible
[01:05] <swuboo> Kill_X:  I created a fresh profile at Ryan's suggestion, it had no effect.
[01:05] <crimsun> ChaosTheory-: kill $(sudo lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*) && sudo rmmod snd-hda-intel && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel && sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset
[01:05] <swuboo> Kill_X:  And I've just switched back to Human in Metacity---no effect.
[01:05] <RyanPrior> ChaosTheory-: You might be able to reinstall your alsa packages, or have debconf reconfigure them.
[01:05] <swuboo> I will now create a fresh profile while in Human, because frankly, why not?
[01:05] <RyanPrior> ChaosTheory-: Or give crimsun's method a try. =D
[01:06] <Kill_X> swuboo, I guess this would not work, either
[01:06] <RyanPrior> I'm using the Human Murrine theme, though I doubt it would matter/
[01:06] <swuboo> Kill_X:  Okay, freshly created Firefox theme while in Human has no effect... and it makes my eyes bleed.
[01:07] <Luckrider> does anyone know how to get Google Sketchup to work in Ubuntut
[01:07] <ChaosTheory-> crimsun: ERROR: Module snd_hda_intel is in use -- said "do not reload: -- then: kill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec] pid | jobspec ... or kill -l [sigspec]
[01:07] <Luckrider> *Ubuntu
[01:07] <Kill_X> swuboo, create a completely fresh user, log off and log on as the ew user, invoke ff and retry
[01:07] <Kill_X> *new
[01:07] <swuboo> Kill_X:  Sure, but let me try RyanPrior's thought about the MS fonts.
[01:07] <crimsun> ChaosTheory-: pastebin the output from: sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[01:07] <RyanPrior> Luckrider: sketchup is not available natively for Linux, but it will run on Wine, and Wine Doors has an installer script available.
[01:08] <Luckrider> it does run in Wine, do you have a guide availible
[01:08] <ChaosTheory-> crimsun: No output.
[01:08] <Kill_X> swuboo, yes, didn't consider... might help :)
[01:08] <Luckrider> I hav heard of it woikng RyanPrior, but I haven' treis
[01:08] <Luckrider> *have
[01:08] <RyanPrior> Luckrider: I don't have a guide in particular, but Wine Doors has an automated setup routine, and WineHQ's AppDB may have a tutorial.
[01:09] <Luckrider> ok, let me try Wine Doors
[01:09] <swuboo> Kill_X:  If nytimes.com is trying to invoke an MS non-free font, FF might just be pulling non-matching fonts out of its hat.
[01:09] <swuboo> ...for reference, the word 'hat' was inserted into that sentence at the last minute.
[01:10] <Pelo> evening folks
[01:10] <Luckrider> RyanPrior, how do I install wine doors, it isn't in add/remove apps
[01:10] <RyanPrior> Good choice. I like "stocking", personally.
[01:10] <Luckrider> ?
[01:10] <Kill_X> not if you have installed these fonts using the msttcorefonts package
[01:10] <Pelo> I can't unmount usb flash drives, by right-clicking > umount , ? anyone else get this ?
[01:10] <RyanPrior> Luckrider: You've got to grab it from getdeb, it's unfortunately not in universe.
[01:10] <Luckrider> ok
[01:10] <swuboo> Kill_X:  I just installed msttcorefonts from Synaptic.  As in, right now.
[01:10] <Pelo> Luckrider, the ppl in #winehq don't recommend it
[01:11] <swuboo> Do I have to run it manually, or does it just work?
[01:11] <crimsun> ChaosTheory-: ok, then: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset && sudo alsactl store && sudo reboot
[01:11] <Luckrider> ok
[01:11] <crimsun> ChaosTheory-: be aware of that last command!
[01:11] <Pelo> swuboo, the fonts are now available same way as the other ones
[01:11] <Kill_X> it should just work after exiting all FF instances and relaunching
[01:11] <ChaosTheory-> crimsun: Okay, one second.
[01:12] <Luckrider> I have to go.
[01:12]  * Pelo wonders if anyone else can confirm his unmount problem 
[01:12] <swuboo> Nope, just checked.  Have to restart X.
[01:13] <bazhang> happens occasionally for me as well Pelo
[01:13] <crimsun> Pelo: make sure you don't have any windows open, ala nautilus/thunar/konqueror, that are browsing a file/directory on that volume.
[01:13] <Kill_X> Pelo, are you accessing the sticks via a terminal while trying to unmount?
[01:13] <Pelo> Kill_X, no
[01:13] <swuboo> Kill_X, RyanPrior:  Aaaand... nada.
[01:13] <Kill_X> then follow crimsun's instructions
[01:13] <h4mx0r> Pelo: what umount problem?
[01:13] <Pelo> I finaly had to unmount using  the terminal however, with sudo
[01:14] <swuboo> I'm going to restart X, rather than use that cachey commandy thing.  I shall return!
[01:14] <h4mx0r> why don't they just call it unmount and be done with it?
[01:14] <Pelo> h4mx0r, I coudln'T unmount a usb flash drive with right click umount
[01:14] <ChaosTheory_> crimsun: It worked. Thanks a lot.
[01:14] <crimsun> ChaosTheory_: np.
[01:14] <Kill_X> swuboo, you ,ight want to file a bug report with exact desciptions what you have changed in your gnome-configurationand screenshots of the sites affected.
[01:14] <h4mx0r> Pelo: yeah your file browser change directory then umount it with right click otherwise do lsof /dev/yourflash then killall appthatsusingit
[01:15] <Dr_willis> Anyone else seen the issue where you can burn a dvd, then the dvd drive becomes unseable afterwards? it wont even eject properly after the burn.
[01:16] <Pelo> h4mx0r, it was closed I was clicking he icon on the desktop,  I think it might be a permission issue
[01:16] <Pelo> Dr_willis, i've been having permission problems with removable media for a week, I'm thinking this might be related
[01:16] <h4mx0r> Pelo: the daemon for fast opening the file browser problem wasn't closed and left on that spot, known issue
[01:16] <h4mx0r> probably*
[01:17] <Kill_X> folks, I'm off, gn8 everyone :)
[01:17] <Dr_willis> Pelo,  Hmm..  Im getting a most interesting error .
[01:17] <Dr_willis> ata4.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
[01:17] <Dr_willis> Apr 14 20:07:03 cow kernel: [  384.905703] ata4.00: cmd a0/01:00:00:00:08/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 dma 2048 in
[01:18] <Dr_willis> So im thinking its somthing deeper then permissions here. :(
[01:18] <Pelo> Dr_willis, oh wow , why didn' t you mention that before that explains everything
[01:18]  * Pelo has no idea 
[01:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:18] <RyanPrior> Dr_willis: that is certainly strange. I haven't had that happen when I burn CDs.
[01:19] <Dr_willis> Yea. Not sure if its due to my sata dvd burner, or what.. i can burn 1 disk.. then have to reboot.. :)
[01:19] <swuboo> Kill_X, RyanPrior:  Fonts render correctly with a freshly created user.
[01:19] <RyanPrior> swuboo: Really! As in, a new Linux user?
[01:19] <swuboo> RyanPrior:  Correct.
[01:20] <RyanPrior> swuboo: Very interesting! No change with a new FF profile, but new Linux user fixes the bug. Can you confirm, Kill_X?
[01:20] <swuboo> They're not pretty, per se, but they're definitely, detectably superior.
[01:20] <Pelo> swuboo,  lcd monitor ? have you enalbed subpixel hinting ?
[01:20] <RyanPrior> Looks like Kill_X left.
[01:20] <swuboo> Pelo:  Yes and yes.
[01:20]  * Pelo buts out 
[01:21] <dexter> hi guyz
[01:21] <swuboo> Pelo:  I no longer have the link since I restarted X and have lost the log, but there's a screenshot of the problem.  You'll see it's definitely not a subpixel shading issue.
[01:21] <dexter> i need some help with ubuntu8.04 beta
[01:21] <RyanPrior> You came to the right channel, dexter.
[01:21] <Pelo> swuboo, I was just taking a crack at it , I'm very good with the simple and obvious stuff
[01:22] <_Rambaldi_> !ask | dexter
[01:22] <ubotu> dexter: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[01:22] <swuboo> Pelo:  Understood.  The other thing is that all the other fonts on my system render beautifully---especially since I spent half of last night tweaking the simple nad obvious stuff.
[01:22] <dexter> i m new to ubuntu or linux have never ever used before any, and i want to setup my desktop resolution and refresh rate
[01:22] <dexter> ubotu, sorry
[01:22] <ubotu> It's ok, I can't stay mad at you.
[01:22] <swuboo> Dexter:  System>Preferences>Screen Resolution
[01:23] <RyanPrior> !botsnack
[01:23] <Pelo> dexter, gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf,
[01:23] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[01:23] <_Rambaldi_> hey dexter, ubotu its a bot by the way
[01:23] <swuboo> Dexter:  If the resolution/refresh combo you want isn't there, then it gets a little trickier, but it should hopefully be.
[01:23] <dexter> swuboo, i have tried it but have a probblem
[01:23] <Pelo> dexter, but seriously , if you are new to linux and ubuntu , starting with the beta is a very bad idea, get gutsy you can upgrade in 2 weeks like everyone else
[01:24] <_Rambaldi_> i agree with Pelo, do you by any chance have a Nvidia card
[01:24] <monkey89> ﻿im trying to get suspend to work consistently on my laptop.  when it fails, the back light comes on, but X never pops back.  caps lock on the internal keyboard does cause the light to toggle, and I can use alt-sysrq-b to reboot, but my usb keyboard has no effect.  when suspend works, the light comes on, turns off, and the ncomes on again.  does anyone have any ideas?
[01:25] <dexter> when i installed ubuntu after reboot and loading screen my moniter wnt blank i tried to ask some people but no one was able to help
[01:25] <RyanPrior> Instapoll: who has Nvidia cards and who has ATi, and which cards have fewest compatibility problems?
[01:25] <dexter> pelo, i will download and reinstall new version when it wil release
[01:25] <bazhang> nvidia; ati is much more problematic
[01:26] <swuboo> nVidia:  Never had a single problem with it under Ubuntu.
[01:26] <_derspankster> I have nvidia on my desktop and a POS SIS on this laptop
[01:26] <Pelo> dexter, boot the recovery mode and type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ,  select the vesa driver when asked for everyting else use the default provided unless y ou absolutely know better
[01:26] <dexter> well my problem is my moniter goes blank whenever it boots up, to run ubuntu i always have to plug in a smaller moniter on boot and after boot switch to my default moniter
[01:26] <swuboo> RyanPrior, Kill_X:  Do you think that getting rid of ~/.fontconfig might help?
[01:27] <RAOF> Pelo: You might want to update your dpkg-reconfigure knowledge; it doesn't ask any questions other than what keymap to use now :)
[01:27] <dexter> pelo, it works fine on my small 14inch moniter but not on my 17inch moniter
[01:27] <swuboo> dexter:  What's the resolution on the two monitors?
[01:27] <Pelo> dexter, boot the computer right after the bios stuff,  hit the esc key,  that will get you thet boot menu , form there select the recovery mode and use the command I mentioneed
[01:28] <Pelo> RAOF, if you use autodetect
[01:28] <dexter> poelo, thanx i will come back after i try this
[01:28] <RyanPrior> swuboo: I'm entirely ignorant of what ~/.fontconfig does, but to test your theory, you could move it to ~/.fontconfig-possiblybuggy and see if that helps any, and move it back if not.
[01:28] <RAOF> Pelo: If you use Hardy.  We don't ask those questions anymore, since X autodetects well now.
[01:29] <Pelo> RAOF, I just started the command I an I get a question about he frame buffer first screen ,
[01:29] <swuboo> RyanPrior:  Renamed... restarting X...
[01:30] <RAOF> Pelo: Ok.  we do ask that.  All the other questions are keyboard (and one 'emulate 3 button mouse') questions.
[01:30] <Pelo> RAOF, your experience of reconfigureing xserver might not match that of eveyone else
[01:30] <swuboo> Swing and a miss!
[01:30]  * Pelo just gives up 
[01:31] <RAOF> Pelo: I just wandered through the whole dpkg-reconfigure; and people have been in here going "where's the option for my driver gone" :)
[01:32] <dexter> pelo the resolution is 1024x 786 on both moniters
[01:32] <syke> hi
[01:32] <h4mx0r> dexter: your 17 inch monitor did you specify the size and refresh rates? try ddcprobe see what it detects
[01:32] <syke> on saturday, my kubuntu hardy install broke due to the -16 kernel update
[01:32] <syke> my nvidia module is no longer being loaded, it appears
[01:32] <syke> on amd64
[01:33] <syke> none of the updates have fixed it yet
[01:33] <syke> booting into the -15 kernel fixes the issue
[01:33] <dexter> h4mx 0r: can u please guide me step by step i m tottaly new
[01:33] <h4mx0r> syke: did you custom compile the nvidia driver?
[01:33] <syke> nope
[01:33] <syke> nothing custom here
[01:33] <Pelo> dexter,  I'm not the one who asked
[01:33] <RAOF> syke: Do you have the 'linux' package installed?
[01:34] <syke> RAOF: huh?
[01:34] <RAOF> syke: That's the huge 'make the kernel work' metapackage; it depends on the right versions of linux-image and linux-restricted-modules.
[01:34] <dexter> peolo, sorry i didnt realize, as i was talkign to u i thought u just asked. sorry
[01:34] <h4mx0r> dexter: sure np, I just searched online for my monitor model and found its specs out, but if you apt-get install xresprobe you can run ddcprobe as root to see what i detects about monitor and try to specifically put those in xorg.conf otherwise it uses some safe defaults. good site that might show info about your monitor is www.monitorworld.com think site went down though.
[01:35] <syke> dpkg -l *linux* doesn't list a packages simply named "linux"
[01:35] <h4mx0r> dexter: awesome guide for doing stuff with x server http://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.8.0/doc/xorg.conf.5.html
[01:35] <syke> there are all sorts of linux-restricted versions, linux-ubuntu-modules, etc
[01:36] <h4mx0r> dexter: also might want to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any problems
[01:36] <syke> all of them appear to have a -16 version
[01:36] <crimsun> syke: because you don't have it installed.  See apt-cache policy
[01:36] <dexter> h4mx0r: well i know details of my moniter it works fine on 1024 x 768 on 60hz refresh rate
[01:36] <h4mx0r> dexter: what model is it?
[01:36] <dexter> compaq s700
[01:37] <dexter> hmx4 0r: compaq s700
[01:37] <syke> crimsun: weird -- I wonder why this was never installed in the first place. I upgrade from gutsy to hardy, -16 is the firts time I ever had an issue like this.
[01:37] <h4mx0r> dexter: says here it gets 1280x1024 http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/compaq/s700.html
[01:37] <RAOF> h4mx0r: It's worth noting that having modelines in xorg.conf can sometimes break XRandR12-capable drivers (even when they're broadly correct).
[01:37] <h4mx0r> dexter: that sync type thing might be issue
[01:38] <h4mx0r> RAOF: yea if it don't work don't keep using it lol
[01:38] <h4mx0r> RAOF: I'm still having difficulty getting adjusted to this new gfx card got :(
[01:39] <dexter> h4mx0r: i think while booting ubuntu changes desplay setting for moniter
[01:39] <swuboo> Okay, I've got another thought.  Does anyone know how to change the DPI setting of fonts in Firefox?
[01:40] <dexter> h4mx0r:well i will try and come back soon. do u have any yahoo id?
[01:40] <_derspankster> swuboo: not sure that's possible
[01:40] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Unfortunate if true, my monitor's 99 DPI rather than 96.
[01:41] <_derspankster> swuboo: fonts bad in FF?
[01:41] <RAOF> swuboo: about:config has a DPI setting
[01:41] <RAOF> swuboo: Which defaults to using X's DPI setting, so you may well not have to touch it.
[01:41] <swuboo> RAOF:  Yeah, checking that now.
[01:41] <dexter> thanx for your help all. bye.
[01:41] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Ohhh, yeah.
[01:42] <_derspankster> will default to X methinks
[01:42] <h4mx0r> dexter: ya if you want could talk on #h4mx0r sorry bit confusing
[01:42] <RAOF> Except that X's DPI detection stuff is pretty horrible.  You may well be seeing that.
[01:42] <_derspankster> swuboo: allowing pages to use their own fonts?
[01:42] <h4mx0r> swuboo: what are the fonts doing?
[01:42] <swuboo> _derspank:  Yes.
[01:42] <syke> RAOF: so, there must be some weird bug where that package either gets removed or never installed
[01:43] <swuboo> http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotxx4.png
[01:43] <dexter> h4mx0r: can i change these settings while using ubuntu? i mean in desktop enviroment?
[01:43] <RAOF> syke: You may have accidentally removed it updating at some point, when there was a new linux-image but not the associated l-r-m.
[01:43] <syke> oh, that's possible
[01:43] <syke> I wonder why I can boot into my -15 kernel just fine, then?
[01:44] <_derspankster> swuboo:try Deju Sans and see how that looks
[01:44] <h4mx0r> dexter: yes just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root then save and press ctrl alt backspace to restart xorg, just if it doesn't work right and crashes press esc while booting to get recovery and edit it with nano
[01:44] <RAOF> syke: Because you have the linux-restricted-modules for -15 but not -16 installed?
[01:44] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Just as bad.
[01:44] <_derspankster> Deja Vu Sans - sorry
[01:44] <h4mx0r> anyone mind pastebin me /etc/group for default 8.04 install? I think I'm having some user permission errors with sound
[01:45] <_derspankster> swuboo: what DPI setting you using
[01:46] <dexter> h4mx0r: thanx, i m leaving to try it
[01:46] <dexter> bye
[01:46] <h4mx0r> dexter: kk
[01:46] <_derspankster> My FF3 fonts were awful with B3 but B5 fonts are good
[01:46] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Don't worry, I found it just fine.  It just doesn't improve anything.
[01:48] <swuboo> Okay, the about:config dpi setting has no effect whatsoever.
[01:48] <swuboo> Even if I assign it extreme values.
[01:48] <syke> RAOF: but I did appear to have the restricted modules installed..
[01:48] <_derspankster> swuboo: you have a screenshot somewhere?
[01:49] <syke> RAOF: let me try booting into -16 and see if it works. if it does, I'll move onto the next issue plaguing me ;)
[01:49] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Yeah, I just posted one into the chat about two minutes ago: http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotxx4.png
[01:50] <_Rambaldi_> i am having a very persistant problem, I want save my flv from videos streamed online. firefox just deletes after loading. i increased the cache but still deletes it. is there any solution to my predicament.
[01:51] <_derspankster> swuboo: indeed, not pretty
[01:51] <swuboo> _derspankster:  nytimes.com is unusually bad, most other sites aren't quite as awful.
[01:52] <Dr_willis> _Rambaldi_,  there are some flv download  extensions ive used.
[01:53] <_derspankster> swuboo: have to walk the dog. will think about your problem.
[01:53] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey guys how would I install ubuntu 8.04 as a dual boot with 7.10
[01:53] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Appreciated.
[01:53] <_Rambaldi_> its not supported by all sites though Dr_willis what i really want is to stop firefox from deleting files from the cache
[01:53] <Dr_willis> vbabiy-laptop,  in theory. if you had a spare hard drive, or unallocated space. the grub installer should see the other disrto and add it to the entry
[01:54] <Dr_willis> _Rambaldi_,  yep. can be an issue. I recall someone mentioning a script  they were using to grab flv stuff.. but i only grab games. never video.
[01:54] <vbabiy-laptop> Dr_willis: has this been tested?
[01:54] <Dr_willis> vbabiy-laptop,  its worked with other disrtos for me befor.
[01:54] <vbabiy-laptop> Dr_willis: worst case what would I have to do to fix it
[01:54] <Dr_willis> vbabiy-laptop,  of course backup stuff.. and backup your grub menu.lst, and be sure to  understand how grub works in case you need to manyually tweak it.
[01:55] <Dr_willis> vbabiy-laptop, repair grub. :)
[01:55] <vbabiy-laptop> okay
[01:55] <Dr_willis> ive manually tweaked my grub menus to boot other linux distros befor. Not too hard.
[01:56] <_Rambaldi_> my other solution was to use ie7 in vbox but it does not support usb which makes it annoying transferring do you know a good alternative available in repository
[01:56] <teamcobra> go to virtualbox.org
[01:56] <teamcobra> and get the vbox from there, it has usb support
[01:56] <vbabiy-laptop> Dr_willis: its just becomes a pain when you get a new kernel and then it gives you the warning that you menu.lst is changed
[01:56] <Dr_willis> _Rambaldi_,  what does usb have to do with transfering?
[01:57] <Dr_willis> vbabiy-laptop,  i dont see that warning any more.. not sure whats going on. :)
[01:57] <Dr_willis> vbabiy-laptop,  havent seen it for ages. I thought they removed that  issue. :)
[01:57] <Dr_willis> I kept updating new kernels. but menu.lst never actually got updated for me.. for like 2 months.
[01:58] <vbabiy-laptop> o
[01:58] <_Rambaldi_> i tried to transfer the video files from my vbox limiting space but my usb drive does not work, Dr_willis
[01:58] <Dr_willis> Right now my laptop has GeeXBox on a 100mb partition at the front, then ubuntu on the rest
[01:58] <Flannel> Dr_willis: Did you have two boot partitions or something?
[01:58] <vbabiy-laptop> The reason I ask is when I book the beta my mic doesn't
[01:59] <Dr_willis> Flannel,  I let ubuntu and its menu.lst handle the other os's
[01:59] <vbabiy-laptop> So I am hoping they have fixed this
[01:59] <vbabiy-laptop> so I wanted to try it on th meta
[01:59] <vbabiy-laptop> metal
[01:59] <vbabiy-laptop> or I guess I could wait till RC
[01:59] <Dr_willis> _Rambaldi_,  ahh. I just transfer over the network to other machiens as 'spare' storage for my virtual machines.
[01:59] <Flannel> Dr_willis: Hmm, if thats the case, then GRUB should be getting Ubuntu kernel updates.  `sudo update-grub` should do it manually as well.
[02:00] <Dr_willis> Flannel,  yea. for a while i was getting a warning about the manual changes id made to grub.. i thought i hit  the proper response. but it kept my changes and dident update grub.
[02:00] <Dr_willis> It seems to be working properly now.. Unless thats why my laptop dosent have the latest kernel.. Hmm..I need to check that.
[02:00] <_Rambaldi_> it starts transfer and just cuts out in the middle saying something about address unvailable or something Dr_willis
[02:01] <_Rambaldi_> i use vbox still just transfer is very very slow on wireless
[02:01] <Flannel> Dr_willis: Ah.  What manual changes had you made?
[02:02] <Dr_willis> Flannel,  added a entry at the end  past the automagic kernel entries for GeeXbox.. and i a few other tweaks. upped the timeout, and changed colors.
[02:02] <Dr_willis> Flannel,  as i said. it used to warn me.. now it dosent seem to care any more. :) so they must of fixed the issue.
[02:02] <crimsun> syke: it's worth nothing that 'linux' isn't seeded by default in -desktop, so unless you had installed it in gutsy, it wouldn't have been upgraded.
[02:03] <Flannel> Dr_willis: Odd.  Those shouldn't cause warnings.
[02:03] <Dr_willis> Flannel,  right. this was 1+ Month ago.  So they fixed it. i guess.
[02:05] <Infecto> http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/invisible_robots/Flamingshot.gif
[02:05] <Infecto> i know i know
[02:05] <Dr_willis> Ok. lets see if burning a dvd to a external usb dvd burner will crash that burner also...
[02:05] <Infecto> but this rox
[02:11] <swuboo> Bah.  I give up.  I'll worry about my font issues if they're still present when Hardy goes stable.
[02:19] <harveyd> ok, just installed hardy heron twice from 2 different cd's from 2 different downloads
[02:20] <harveyd> neither time I can log in with a standard session
[02:20] <harveyd> I need to choose "gnome failsafe"
[02:20] <Fritzel> what is the command that launches Update Manager? I want to give mysellf passwordless access to it via sudoers
[02:21] <RAOF> Fritzel: 'update-manager'
[02:21] <RAOF> Fritzel: :P
[02:21] <Fritzel> thank you
[02:22] <harveyd> is there anyone I can do to fix it? or at least found out whats breaking it and generate a bug report etc
[02:23] <RAOF> harveyd: So, filing (and searching for, first) a bug on Launchpad is probably your next step.  You would want to include the ~/.xsession-errors file that is generated during a failed (non-failsafe) login - you'll probably need to get this from a VT.
[02:26] <_derspankster> swuboo: do you have FF2 installed as well as FF3?
[02:27] <fsmw> hello, i'm trying to install an hardy-alternate iso from a usb memory in my laptop, i don' have a cdrom drive, and installer ask me for one to mount it, does anybody knows how to avoid this?
[02:27] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Possibly.
[02:27] <bazhang> fsmw: you have xp on there now? or another linux distro
[02:28] <harveyd> hmm, seems a few bugs have been registered that are similiar
[02:28] <fsmw> xandros...
[02:28] <levander> Are the package version in Hardy frozen?  Is Sunbird 0.8 just not going to make it into Hardy even though it's already released?
[02:28] <fsmw> is an eee pc :-/
[02:28] <_derspankster> swuboo: what do fonts look like in FF2?
[02:28] <RAOF> levander: Very very much so.
[02:28] <levander> RAOF: Very much so frozen?
[02:28] <swuboo> _derspankster:  I do indeed have it, and they look peachy.
[02:28] <bazhang> fsmw: the #eeepc channel and www.eeeuser.com wiki have ways of doing that
[02:29] <RAOF> levander: Yes.  We release in < 10 days, the rc comes out in 3.  This is not the time for new upstream versions :)
[02:29] <syke> crimsum: that makes thins even more bizarre
[02:29] <_derspankster> swuboo: you FF3 version is beta 5?
[02:29] <swuboo> _derspankster:  It is.
[02:29] <levander> Damn, funambol only supports v. 0.8.  No idea how long ago Sunbird 0.8 was released though.
[02:29] <syke> crimsun: because -12, -13, -14, and -15 all didn't have this problem
[02:30] <_derspankster> swuboo: have you tried reinstalling beta 5?
[02:30] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Reinstalling?
[02:30] <bewst> Ever since this afternoon, gnome-desktop-environment has unment dependencies for me, and I can't install it.  Known issue?
[02:31] <fsmw> bazhang: ok i'll ask it there
[02:31] <fsmw> anyway i was asking where does the installer mount the filesystem
[02:31] <fsmw> i would try to mount it manually
[02:31] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Trying it now.
[02:31] <_derspankster> swuboo:  did you uninstall first?
[02:32] <RAOF> fsmw: Probably on /media/cdrom, but I'm not sure.
[02:32] <swuboo> _derspankster:  No, I didn't.  It might be woth mentioning that with a brand-new user, it works fine.
[02:32] <RAOF> fsmw: Google suggests that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick might be helpful for you :)
[02:33] <fsmw> RAOF: i did that how to, works fine but is done for a livecd iso
[02:33] <_derspankster> swuboo: Ok, perhaps first completely uninstall and install. Make sure you aren't running FF2 when you do.
[02:33] <fsmw> i'm using an alternate
[02:33] <shardz> Where can I find the dialog/settings/whatever to change my screen settings (x.org, basically) in 8.04 beta? Should I just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand?
[02:33] <oal753> can someone tell me why after i login, my screen goes black and then goes back to the login screen?
[02:34] <swuboo> _derspankster:  No effect.
[02:34] <shardz> Nevermind.
[02:35] <_derspankster> swuboo: you didn't completely uninstall first?
[02:35] <sveakex> bazhang: hello
[02:35] <RAOF> fsmw: Ah, right.  I'd guess at /media/cdrom, but I dunno.  I think I've done that before, but with Sid, and I forget any details :)
[02:35] <fsmw> is /media/cdrom
[02:35] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Yup.
[02:35] <fsmw> i checked it
[02:36] <bazhang> sveakex: you want to do gui way or cli way; fresh install or upgrade via net or something other
[02:36] <sveakex> bazhang: cli, and i want to upgrade using internet
[02:36] <_derspankster> swuboo: the fact that it looks good with new user has me thinking that it's a profile problem
[02:36] <swuboo> _derspankster:  To clarify:  I did not do so, then I did it again, completely uninstalling first.
[02:37] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Creating a new profile doesn't fix it, it has to be an entirely new user.
[02:38] <bazhang> sveakex: what I did was edit sources.list from gutsy to hardy (fully updated gutsy btw), apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade and then waited for the download to finish (could take a while)
[02:38] <sveakex> bazhang: and is this how one usualy does it in the terminal?
[02:39] <bazhang> sveakex: you mean the officially sanctioned 'ubuntu method'? not sure about that but it works
[02:40] <_derspankster> swuboo: bizarre
[02:40] <bazhang> sveakex: you can /msg ubotu upgrade for the offiical ubuntu method
[02:40] <sveakex> bazhang: btw, if something fails, i can always use a live to mount my drive and backup stuff correct?
[02:40] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Seriously.  It's got to be something somewhere in my home directory mucking something up, but damned if I know what.
[02:41] <bazhang> sveakex: best to back up *first*
[02:41] <sveakex> true
[02:41] <sveakex> i should backup moms files
[02:41] <sveakex> and err log into her account and save her bookmarks
[02:41] <sveakex> xD
[02:42] <_derspankster> swuboo: I doubt that you have anything FF related residing in home
[02:42] <swuboo> _derspankster:  I do, actually.  There's a .mozilla directory.  I'm just about desperate enough to nuke it.
[02:43] <sveakex> bazhang: btw, do you know where fx bookmarks are kept?
[02:43] <sveakex> would be easier to just take a .firefox folder and put it back again
[02:43] <_derspankster> swuboo: I have no suck directory or folder
[02:44] <_derspankster> such
[02:44] <swuboo> _derspankster:  It's hidden, if you're not viewing those.
[02:44] <bazhang> sveakex: no idea sorry
[02:45] <sveakex> bazhang: no worries.
[02:45] <swuboo> _derspankster:  I'll be damned.  All my settings, everything, gone... but it works again.  I'll start putting things back in piecemeal and see if I can find what broke it.
[02:45] <_derspankster> swuboo: of course, mine is FF2 related
[02:45] <sveakex> would be simpler to have a rolling release on ubuntu
[02:45] <sveakex> would make it a much better dist
[02:46] <Dr_willis> sveakex,  I imagine thers a huge thread on that topic..  and its not going to happen.
[02:47] <sveakex> Dr_willis: of course it wont happen, btw is there an advantage to not to have a rolling release
[02:47] <_derspankster> swuboo: so now fonts look good?
[02:48] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Yes.  I have no idea what was wrong, but something in my profile was messing it all up.
[02:48] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Thanks for the helpful suggestions.  I've been banging my head against this for days.
[02:49] <_derspankster> swuboo: np, glad you're back on track
[02:49] <sveakex> not that i want to start a debate
[02:50] <n3urogod> anyone know if windows mobile / pocket pc sync support has been enhanced for 8.04?
[02:50] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Only catch is, gotta set everything back up from scratch.  Small price to pay for being able to read websites, though.
[02:50] <_derspankster> swuboo: what did you lose?
[02:51] <sveakex> n3urogod: what model? i can maybe google it.
[02:51] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Basic settings, that sort of thing.  No biggie, really.
[02:52] <Fritzel> is there any form of ubuntu form in blue?
[02:52] <_derspankster> swuboo: you could always reinstall again
[02:52] <Fritzel> er theme
[02:52] <Fritzel> form = theme
[02:53] <swuboo> _derspankster:  I'm not sure how that would help:  the way I fixed this was by deleting my profile.
[02:53] <_derspankster> swuboo: I understand
[02:53] <DG19075> Fritzel, there is a blue version of Ubuntu, called Blubuntu, in Gnoime-Look or Ubuntu-art.
[02:53] <sveakex> Fritzel: you can find a lot of themes at http://gnome-look.org and a few blue themes come pre installed (clearlook, mist, glossy)
[02:54] <Fritzel> ok thanks I'll take a look ^^
[02:54] <sveakex> :)
[02:54] <DG19075> :-D
[02:54] <n3urogod> sveakex, specifically for an XDA II mini....but that wasn't really what I meant...I meant has there been any further development on the integration of a 'syncing' program for ubuntu. SynCE is painful to setup and only works half the time...Conduit is still beta'ish and I can't find any info on their website to say they support windows mobile devices
[02:55] <_derspankster> swuboo: you would be creating a new profile
[02:55] <sveakex> n3urogod: no clue really.. what do you mean by "syncing"?
[02:56] <usser> any word on those iwl3945 drivers? when are they gonna  be fixed? what version will ship with hardy 1.2.0?
[02:56] <Dr_willis> sveakex,  i would say check the ubuntu forums they proberly debate the pros and cons.    of the ubuntu method vs a rolling release. I never worried about it.
[02:56] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Yup.  Pretty much what I'm doing.  Ain't so bad.  Trust me, I'm so relieved to have legible fonts and formatting back that I'd make three new profiles and then eat a live rat before undoing htis.
[02:56] <n3urogod> sveakex, calendar sync, task list, contacts, etc...with evolution
[02:56] <sveakex> Dr_willis: "ubuntu method" lol x)
[02:56] <sveakex> yeah i will have a look on the forums
[02:57] <sveakex> n3urogod: aha.. i really hat evolution or any mailing programs like thunderbird, so i have no clue
[02:57] <_derspankster> swuboo: a live rat? lol
[02:57] <sveakex> hate*
[02:57] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Preferably Norwegian, but after two weeks of being unable to use half of my favorite sites, I might be willing to go swamp.
[02:59] <jimmygoon> Why does ubuntu hardy SHUT DOWN after I plug in the power when it tells me my battery is dangerously low?
[02:59] <jimmygoon> low bat + power plug + LOW BAT WARNING = ubuntu shutdown :/
[02:59] <_derspankster> swuboo: just glad you can browse again
[03:00] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Me too.  Me too.
[03:00] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Plus, it's kind of a relief to lose some of the bookmark cruft.  Did I really need that stored link for a review of a motherboard that isn't even manufactured anymore?  I think not.
[03:01] <Dr_willis> sveakex,  ive never heard any other disrto use the term 'Long Term Support' either. :)
[03:01] <corinth> ﻿I'm getting an error after updating the Hardy beta:  E: ERROR: could not create configuration directory /home/root/.synaptic - mkdir (2 No such file or directory) . Now I can't install packages. Help?
[03:01] <_derspankster> swuboo:  if you uninstalled and reinstalled I think you should recover your bookmarks but I'm not suggesting that you try
[03:02] <_derspankster> Dr_willis: Dapper 6.06 was a LTS
[03:03] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Uninstalling and reinstalling didn't fix it; I fixed it by deleting all the config files and profile information stored for Firefox.
[03:03] <_derspankster> swuboo: yes, I understand that. Do you still have bookmarks in FF2?
[03:04] <_derspankster> likely not
[03:04] <swuboo> _derspankster:  No, I don't.  And I suspect it was some weird quirky thing I did in FF2, which got imported into FF3, which caused all of this.
[03:05] <_derspankster> swuboo: I would agree
[03:06] <sveakex> Dr_willis: what is that good for anyways? :S
[03:06] <sveakex> lts
[03:06] <Dr_willis> no idea. check the forums/threads. :) I am just a home user.
[03:06] <Dr_willis> work time for me.. byeee..........
[03:07] <swuboo> _derspankster:  All's well as ends with the Times and slashdot being legible, I say.
[03:08] <_derspankster> swuboo: yes, most definitely. I've been lucky with this beta - so far
[03:09] <swuboo> _derspankster:  Other than this, so have I.  Actually, I've found it to be an excellent opportunity for general tweaking.
[03:09] <_derspankster> I kind of miss some of my FF extensions but that's it
[03:10] <_derspankster> swuboo: kind of anxious to install on my desktop but will wait for final. This laptop is my test machine.
[03:11] <cycom> Has anyone else encountered 100% CPU usage by Xorg after resume from suspend?  I've seen a bug for I think it was sony laptops, but it's only on logout after suspend and resume.
[03:12] <swuboo> _derspankster:  I only have the one machine, scarily enough.  But it's not critical, and I keep package lists and all the important data backed up, so why not?
[03:12] <_derspankster> cycom; not seen it on my acer laptop
[03:13] <_derspankster> swuboo: I'm running a Nvida card on my desktop. That's been fun in the past.
[03:13] <_derspankster> Nvidia
[03:14] <cycom> _derspankster: I have a toshiba that has been a royal pain.
[03:14] <swuboo> I've got an nVidia card myself; never a peep of trouble from it.
[03:14] <_derspankster> cycom: the only pain with this Acer is the lousy SIS video card
[03:15] <cycom> _derspankster: this thing has an ATI, but even with the vesa driver, no resume after suspend
[03:15] <shadeofgrey> im buying a macpro desktop -- which is the better graphics card choice the 5600 Quadro 1.5TB or the 8800GT for compatabiity with 8?
[03:16] <cycom> _derspankster: was there another video card available for that laptop?
[03:16] <_derspankster> cycom: heard of your problem but haven't researched it
[03:16] <cycom> _derspankster: I was able to swap the video card in my dell from an ATI to an NVidia, with some wrangling.
[03:16] <sveakex> shadeofgrey: always go for nvidia ;)
[03:16] <shadeofgrey> bearing in mind i intend to run 2 30" displaya
[03:16] <shadeofgrey> they are both nvidia -- im asking which has better driver support
[03:16] <_derspankster> cycom: don't know but don't think I can change this one out
[03:16] <cycom> sveakex: I dunno, my ATI has worked fairly well lately :)
[03:16] <cycom> _derspankster: not discrete?
[03:17] <_derspankster> no
[03:17] <shadeofgrey> id never buy anything ati
[03:17] <sveakex> cycom: haha :P
[03:17] <shadeofgrey> ever
[03:17] <cycom> _derspankster: pity that.
[03:17] <sveakex> xD
[03:17] <DanaG> I'm likely going to be switching from nvidia to ATI in summer.  I'm sick of all my nvidia issues I've had.
[03:17] <sveakex> DanaG: you had nvidia issues?
[03:17] <DanaG> At least AMD/ATI has open-sourced stuff.
[03:17] <DanaG> *blink*
[03:17] <DanaG> *blink*
[03:17] <DanaG> blinking screen is one.
[03:17] <sveakex> stop blinking
[03:17] <DanaG> *twitch*
[03:17] <cycom> ATI even has AIGLX now
[03:18] <cycom> and 8.04 installed my drivers perfectly.
[03:18] <DanaG> Even if ATI is crap, I'd rather have open-source crap than closed-source crap.
[03:18] <RAOF> I've turned off compiz, since nvidia will quite frequently stop updating the screen on one of DanaG's *blink*s.
[03:18] <sveakex> btw does any body know a channel for mac os x on freenode? i am curious whether sshfs exists on it or not
[03:18] <shadeofgrey> can 8 do dual monitors?
[03:18] <sveakex> i don't use compiz
[03:18] <DanaG> And frankly, I prefer CCC (the last time I tried it was with my 9800 Pro) over nvidia's control panel -- this is in windows.
[03:18] <bazhang> ##apple
[03:18] <sveakex> it is bläh
[03:18] <sveakex> bazhang: ty
[03:18] <DanaG> sveakex: there's a macfuse
[03:18] <RAOF> shadeofgrey: If by `8` you mean Hardy, then yes.
[03:19] <DanaG> macFUSE
[03:19] <sveakex> #macFUSE
[03:19] <sveakex> ?
[03:19] <DanaG> No, it's a term to google for.
[03:19] <RAOF> shadeofgrey: Better than the previous Ubuntu releases, generally.  But you've been able to do dual-head forever.
[03:19] <sveakex> oh
[03:19] <sveakex> xD
[03:19] <dfeuer> Quick question...  How can I turn of Bluetooth (to save power)?
[03:20] <dfeuer> Ng, I got that problem from earlier sorted out.
[03:20] <usser> dfeuer, sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop
[03:20] <dfeuer> sweet.
[03:21] <dfeuer> Thanks.
[03:21] <usser> dfeuer, im not sure if this will give you advantage powerwise but it turns it off
[03:21] <dfeuer> Does it turn the device off, or just the driver?
[03:21] <usser> dfeuer, thats what im not sure about :) technically it only unloads the driver
[03:22] <dfeuer> Hrmmmm
[03:22] <sveakex> dfeuer: if you have a switch you can physically turn it off
[03:22] <dfeuer> The LED's still on, whatever that does or doesn't mean :-/
[03:22] <dfeuer> sveakex, I don't /believe/ I do.  Thinkpad T61p.
[03:22] <sveakex> dfeuer: my laptop has it, when i come to think about it, i should turn it off.
[03:23] <sveakex> well that sucked, it killed my wireless connection too.
[03:23] <sveakex> xD
[03:24] <cycom> I believe you can set in bios to have bluetooth OR wireless shut off.
[03:25] <cycom> (on pressing the button)
[03:25] <usser> well he wants it on the fly i believe
[03:25] <cycom> I mean you can set what the button does.
[03:25] <usser> oh
[03:25] <cycom> at least, you can on my dell
[03:26] <sveakex> cycom: yeah, but still x)
[03:26] <sveakex> i hardly use the laptop
[03:26] <sveakex> in fact it is the family one
[03:28]  * usser damn hardy is sexy
[03:28] <sveakex> ew
[03:28] <sveakex> /kick usser eww!
[03:28] <sveakex> x)
[03:28] <usser> ah
[03:29] <usser> :P
[03:29] <sveakex> can gparted resize partitions?
[03:29] <icanhasadmin> sveakex: only if you use it
[03:30] <sveakex> icanhasadmin: ?
[03:30] <sveakex> only if i use it?
[03:30] <icanhasadmin> sveakex: you're testing prerelease distro.. just saying fdisk is your friend :)
[03:31] <sveakex> icanhasadmin: still on 7.10, i wanted to use a live cd to shrink the / and create a /home
[03:31] <icanhasadmin> sveakex: ah, still i suggest fdisk ;)
[03:32] <sveakex> icanhasadmin: fdisk and resize partitions?
[03:32] <sveakex> can*
[03:32] <sveakex> i always forget what i do in fdisk
[03:32] <icanhasadmin> sveakex: techincally i suppose it <i> shouldn't </i>
[03:33] <sveakex> then why should i use fdisk if it can resize?
[03:34] <icanhasadmin> sveakex: your question left open for interpretation ;) yes gparted can resize, yes you should use gparted :P
[03:35] <sveakex> can't*
[03:35] <sveakex> i usually use cfdisk though
[03:35] <sveakex> don't think it can resize either
[03:35] <sveakex> but somehow i am getting tired of cli
[03:35] <sveakex> xD
[03:36] <icanhasadmin> ... gparted _can_ resize partitions
[03:36] <sveakex> and i said CFDISK
[03:36] <sveakex> :P
[03:36]  * icanhasadmin sighs
[03:36] <icanhasadmin> i'm going to give up now
[03:37] <sveakex> lol
[03:37] <sveakex> yeah i got your point
[03:37] <sveakex> i am just talking about cfdisk
[03:38] <icanhasadmin> gotcha, i'm sorry i've only used cfdisk once, not sure
[03:38] <DanaG> There's a "parted" out there.
[03:38] <sveakex> icanhasadmin: it's like fdisk just with a ui in cli
[03:38] <sveakex> like a frontend for fdisk in cli kind of
[03:38] <icanhasadmin> sveakex: i know :)
[03:38] <bazhang> ncurses?
[03:38] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: jockey fixed yet? according to my hardy there hasn't been an update in 2 days.. something wrong on my size?
[03:39] <icanhasadmin> *side
[03:40] <sveakex> bazhang: not sure
[03:41] <sveakex> btw if i want to enable the root password
[03:41] <sveakex> would i do
[03:41] <sveakex> sudo su
[03:41] <sveakex> passwd
[03:41] <sveakex> ?
[03:43] <DanaG> I haven't used jockey.
[03:44] <sphinx_> sveakex, sudo passwd root
[03:45] <sveakex> sphinx_: yeah that would also be simpler
[03:45] <zero88> Can someone PLEASE help me with my wireless issues?
[03:45] <LGKeiz> Hey, I have a question I recently updated to the lastest BETA about a month ago; and now on the boot gui, there is 2 ubuntu selections, and my Windows partition ( vista ) now, that I updated again, there is 3 ubuntu selection, and 1 windows, what can I do to remove the other 2 ubuntu menus from the boot screen
[03:45] <icanhasadmin> zero88: i probabaly can, but i can't promise you'll like the answer
[03:45] <LGKeiz> zero88 what do you need ?
[03:45] <zero88> lol
[03:45] <zero88> weeelll...
[03:45] <icanhasadmin> LGKeiz: i don't suggest you do right now, untill final release
[03:46] <LGKeiz> okay but why is there 3
[03:46] <icanhasadmin> LGKeiz: depends, probabaly another kernel version
[03:46] <swuboo> LGKeiz:  Grub retains, by default, all your old versions as options, just in case you need them.
[03:46] <_Rambaldi_> !virtualizers
[03:46] <ubotu> There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[03:46] <LGKeiz> oh didnt know; thanks :
[03:46] <LGKeiz> :p
[03:46] <icanhasadmin> LGKeiz: if you really want to get rid of them, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:46] <zero88> Im using ndiswrapper. INstalled the driver i need for my card. i ndiswrapper -l and it shows that the driver is present, and i depmod -a, then load ndiswrapper and everything is working correctly till the point i iwconfig
[03:47] <swuboo> LGKeiz:  It's quite easy to have the list automatically restricted to a certain number, like two or three, but I would also counsel waiting until the stable version is out, just in case.
[03:47] <icanhasadmin> zero88: that's where we disagree, don't use ndiswrapper.
[03:47] <zero88> is shows me that i have no link quality and i cant set the essid or anything else
[03:47] <zero88> icanhasadmin, hmm. well i think thats the only way
[03:47] <timUR> hi
[03:47] <icanhasadmin> zero88: what card?
[03:47] <timUR> how come Screens and Graphics does not work??
[03:48] <icanhasadmin> timUR: no idea, probably just broken
[03:48] <zero88> not sure exactly the name but it uses the R8187B driver
[03:48] <swuboo> timUR:  More details would probably be helpful.  Just a thought.
[03:48] <DanaG> What's with the manpage formatting?
[03:48] <DanaG> ﻿ !pthread_create! creates a new thread of control that executes  concurrently  with  the  calling  thread. The new thread applies the function |start_routine| passing it |arg| as first argument.
[03:48] <_Rambaldi_> !VMWare
[03:48] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[03:48] <icanhasadmin> zero88: lspci for me
[03:48] <timUR> IT is BROKEN @@@
[03:48]  * DanaG goes off saying !whoop dee doo! and using exclamation points instead of quote marks.
[03:48] <zero88> icanhasadmin, ok. But to tell you the truth That never listed the card. Like it didnt even exist
[03:49] <swuboo> timUR:  Again, that doesn't actually help anyone help you.  How is it broken?
[03:49] <icanhasadmin> zero88: it did, just under something else, try lspci -v
[03:49] <LGKeiz> Where can I find good themes for gnome/ubuntu it's been awhile :p
[03:49] <swuboo> !themes
[03:49] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[03:49] <zero88> icanhasadmin, k do you guys have a pastebin?
[03:49] <icanhasadmin> zero88: uh.. pastebin.com?
[03:49] <icanhasadmin> !paste | zero88:
[03:49] <ubotu> zero88:: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[03:49] <icanhasadmin> or that one
[03:49] <timUR> swuboo,  It is Broken means it simpy does not work ..... I have to go to xorg and edit it manually
[03:50] <swuboo> timUR:  Okay, that's at least something.  Editing it manually works?
[03:50] <zero88> icanhasadmin, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63242/
[03:50] <icanhasadmin> now i have a question for all of you. fglrx doesn't show up in my RDM (Hardware Drivers), but my other restricted drivers do, any ideas?
[03:51] <swuboo> icanhasadmin:  I don't know, but nvidia shows up as, "not in use' in mine, which is patently false.  Hardware Drivers seems to be a little off.
[03:51] <DanaG> Gaack, it's so hard to find a nice orange color.
[03:52] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: I like burnt orange
[03:52] <icanhasadmin> zero88: is it a usb wireless card?
[03:53] <zero88> icanhasadmin, ya actually jsut foudn it one sec
[03:53] <icanhasadmin> and seriously, why has there been no updates in the last 2 days? something happen? or is it me?
[03:54] <zero88> icanhasadmin, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63243/
[03:54] <bazhang> likely only you icanhasadmin unless you are using kde4
[03:54] <bazhang> err not only you icanhasadmin
[03:54] <timUR> yeah it works
[03:55] <icanhasadmin> bazhang: gtocha
[03:55] <timUR> swuboo,  yeah it works
[03:55] <HorizonXP> WOOOO Ubuntu!
[03:55] <HorizonXP> lol
[03:56] <swuboo> timUR:  So it's just the automatic widgetry that doesn't.  Hm.
[03:56] <icanhasadmin> zero88: honestly.. you got me. i dont' have the slightest clue how to handle that
[03:56] <HorizonXP> hey, there's a bunch of packages that are asking me to do a partial upgrade; should I go ahead and do so?
[03:56] <HorizonXP> these include things like GRUB, and initramfs
[03:56] <swuboo> timUR:  ATI or nVidia?  What driver are you using?
[03:56] <zero88> icanhasadmin, well thanks for NOTHIN ....  :P
[03:56] <timUR> swuboo,  it used to work in alpha 6 ..... and stoped wworking few builds after beta ....
[03:56] <icanhasadmin> zero88: lol! i tried mate :/ just don't know that card
[03:57] <zero88> icanhasadmin, its ok. i guess i jsut have to keep on looking
[03:58] <bazhang> usb dongles are notoriously hard to get working on any distro
[03:58] <timUR> OR i found new THING VLC package SHOULD requre VLC-pulse(lil 40k plugin or it will not work in 8.04) !!!!
[03:58] <icanhasadmin> bazhang: exactly :P
[03:58] <timUR> swuboo, ATi
[03:58] <timUR> swuboo,  RadeonHD 1.2
[03:58] <zero88> GRRR
[03:58] <HorizonXP> any ideas guys
[03:59] <bazhang> zero88: I spent more than two weeks (on suse 10.0) trying to get a usb dongle to work (without irc) and even then it was very spotty once I got it going
[03:59]  * DanaG has iwl3945.
[03:59] <swuboo> timUR:  You're using flgrx?
[03:59] <timUR> swuboo,  nope .... VESA or RadeonHD
[03:59] <icanhasadmin> open source ati drivers + fglrx support his card now for DRI i believe
[04:00] <icanhasadmin> i mean + AIGLX, not fglrx, sorry
[04:00] <timUR> swuboo,  I have set it manually to VESA and to My monitor
[04:00] <tawt> does hardy have better support for wifi than gutsy?
[04:00] <swuboo> timUR:  Have you tried using flgrx, and it doesn't work?
[04:00] <icanhasadmin> tawt: that's arguable, i'll tell you in 10 days
[04:00] <bazhang> depends on the card tawt
[04:00] <cwillu> tawt, yes for the most part
[04:00] <tawt> ok  thanks guys
[04:00] <icanhasadmin> swuboo: fglrx is sort of broken currently.. i've heard from many users
[04:01] <swuboo> icanhasadmin:  Ah.  That would be a problem, then.
[04:01] <timUR> swuboo,  of course not .... not for AGP Radeon 2600xt .... works for pciX as i know....
[04:01] <icanhasadmin> zero88: you might want to try googling "0bda:8189", in quotes like that, might help you
[04:01] <swuboo> timUR:  I'm clearly out of my depth with ATI drivers, then.
[04:02] <icanhasadmin> I'm sorry? 2600xt isn't supported by fglrx?
[04:02] <DanaG> Here's a MAC address I have on a USB ethernet device:
[04:02] <icanhasadmin> that would be something.
[04:02] <timUR> swuboo,  ATI does not even have official Windows driver for my card !!!
[04:03] <timUR> swuboo,  I have to go to third party web site to get a support for my ATI card for Windows
[04:03] <swuboo> timUR: Windows drivers aren't quite the issue, though.
[04:03] <Nwallin1> is there any reason most of the ubuntu wiki pages suggest using ia32 libs for flash (e.g. youtube), rather than say, gnash
[04:03] <DG19075> ﻿timUR: I just tried looking for VLC-pulse but apt-geet doen't have it...source?
[04:03] <DanaG> 30:01:00:00:00:00
[04:03] <DanaG> Really odd.
[04:03] <DanaG> Probably not even valid.
[04:03] <swuboo> timUR:  The Radeon 2600  is listed as supported on the ATI page for flgrx.
[04:03] <timUR> DG19075,  vlc-plugin-pulse
[04:03] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: looks bogus to me
[04:03] <timUR> sry
[04:03] <DanaG> That's its real MAC address.
[04:04] <timUR> DG19075,  U had that problem too right ?
[04:04] <DanaG> I wonder... if I used that in various places, would anybody notice?
[04:04] <mneptok> Nwallin1: because Flash 9 mostly works. Gnash does not.
[04:04] <timUR> swuboo,  NOT ***AGP*** tjhough agp is the diffrent beast
[04:04] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: that's... amazing. can i have your card? P
[04:04] <icanhasadmin> :P
[04:04] <Nwallin1> mneptok: for youtube it does, for me anyway
[04:04] <DanaG> It's wired only.
[04:04] <zero88> icanhasadmin, ya i was looking for that. im hopeless
[04:05] <mneptok> Nwallin1: YouTube is not the only user of Flash on the web, though
[04:05] <Nwallin1> mneptok: for all the pages I researched that said install 32 bit libs, I wish a couple of them had mentioned gnash
[04:05] <icanhasadmin> timUR: you're correct.. sort of. fglrx DOES work, just ati open source seems to work better with agp cards
[04:05] <Bryan_Sierra> When I try to use sudo, it says unable to resolve host
[04:05] <Nwallin1> mneptok: for sure.  but it's the killer app
[04:05] <icanhasadmin> Bryan_Sierra: that statement is nonsensicle
[04:05] <DanaG> Killer is right.
[04:05] <mneptok> Nwallin1: sounds like you want Gobuntu :)
[04:05] <DanaG> *segfault* goes the Flash.
[04:05] <DG19075> timUR: Thanks, I have it. VLC is fave media player here
[04:05] <timUR> icanhasadmin,  Nop it only gives 450 fps in Gears test and Results in NO for 3d support
[04:06] <Bryan_Sierra> icanhasadmin, you're telling me. But it's what it says. I can type "sudo foobar" and it says unable to resolve host bryan-laptop (the name of the computer)
[04:06] <timUR> icanhasadmin,  both of the dirvers though have no 3d support
[04:06] <mneptok> Bryan_Sierra: did you change the hostname of the machine? if so, how?
[04:06] <icanhasadmin> timUR: describe 3d support? because DRI works perfectly with either.
[04:06] <timUR> DG19075,  ur VLC also did not work before u installed pulse plugin ?
[04:06] <Bryan_Sierra> mneptok, didn't.
[04:06] <timUR> icanhasadmin,  3d support like in games for example....
[04:06] <swuboo> icanhasadmin:  timUR seems to be saying he HAS an AGP card.
[04:07] <icanhasadmin> swuboo: yes, that's fine
[04:07] <icanhasadmin> timUR: output of glxinfo | grep direct
[04:07] <DG19075> timUR: Only for web streams. couldn't play my mp3's.
[04:08] <swuboo> timUR:  Are you certain fglrx doesn't support AGP cards?  It certainly doesn't say so anywhere in the release notes from ATI or in the descriptions in Synaptic.
[04:08] <timUR> direct rendering: No (
[04:08] <icanhasadmin> swuboo: I am certain fglrx DOES support agp cards, i'm also certain the open source ATI ones work better for agp
[04:08] <timUR> swuboo,  I am pretty sure....
[04:08] <icanhasadmin> timUR: then you're not using opensource ati OR fglrx right now. that's your problem
[04:09] <swuboo> icanhasadmin:  He's using VESA right now.
[04:09] <timUR> icanhasadmin fglrx DOES NOT work for my AGP 2600xt and OPEN source does NOT provide 3d support
[04:09] <icanhasadmin> swuboo: yes he is :)
[04:09] <icanhasadmin> timUR: Really, I don't think you're right, but I'll look into it if you're nicer to me ;)
[04:11] <Bryan_Sierra> ah
[04:11] <Bryan_Sierra> yay
[04:11] <Bryan_Sierra> fixed
[04:11] <Bryan_Sierra> btw, if someone comes in saying their sudo command is fscked, just send 'em here...https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/195308
[04:11] <icanhasadmin> timUR: you're half right. open source ati does NOT support the 2600xt.. fglrx drivers DO support it however, WITH dri supposidly
[04:11] <timUR> DG19075,  hmmm it did not work for my mp3 streams before i installed pulse plugin
[04:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195308 in linux-meta "unable to resolve host (dup-of: 32906)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32906 in sudo "sudo shouldn’t ABSOLUTELY NEED to look up the host it’s running on" [High,In progress]
[04:12] <swuboo> icanhasadmin, timUR:  I figure if the other drivers haven't worked, it's worth trying fglrx.  I can't see anything suggesting it won't work, icanhasadmin is pretty sure it will.  It really seems worth at least a try; worst that happens is what, you get dumped back into VESA where you already are?
[04:12] <timUR> icanhasadmin,  No i am running open source ATI without 3d support And i have tried installing fglrx many times but i get black screen
[04:12] <icanhasadmin> swuboo: actually, worse case scenero is fglrx edits /etc/profile and X won't start through gdm ;)
[04:13] <swuboo> icanhasadmin:  Touche.
[04:13] <icanhasadmin> timUR: 99% you were running an old version of fglrx, or your xorg.conf is incorrect
[04:14] <DG19075> timUR: Interesting, as the stuff I'd listen would be off a Shoutcast server....
[04:15] <timUR> icanhasadmin,  nope nope i have tried it many times it wont work for my card
[04:16] <danage> does the current "freeze" status mean no more packages can be added to the repository? because the current virtualbox-ose doesn't have a kernel module for the -16 kernel
[04:17] <LGKeiz> How do I edit what runs when Ubuntu boots? I know theres a file.
[04:18] <LGKeiz> I can't remember
[04:18] <swuboo> LGKeiz:  System>Preference>Sessions would be the most basic thing.
[04:18] <danage> other than that, initscript
[04:18] <danage> s
[04:19] <swuboo> LGKeiz:  Or, if it's services, System>Administration>Services.  Or, failing that, like danage said... initscripts.
[04:19] <bazhang> danage: only in exceptional circumstances can packages be added now, according the latest ubuntu weekly newsletter
[04:19] <danage> yeah that's what i just read
[04:21] <LGKeiz> Okay, If I wanted to run something without keeping terminal open, I mean like emerald what would I need to do.
[04:23] <icanhasadmin_> so before my harddrive die'd and i disconnected, someone mentioned something about editing a restricted modules file? where was that located again?
[04:24] <bazhang> alt f2 LGKeiz
[04:24] <bazhang> emerald --replace
[04:25] <LGKeiz> why thanks kind sir
[04:31] <dwidmann> Uughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, qsynaptics is missing in hardy :(
[04:37] <calc> openoffice.org_2.4.0-3ubuntu3 being prepared
[04:38] <calc> should be uploaded in a few hours
[04:38] <bazhang> thanks calc!
[04:39] <icanhasadmin> so my harddrive hates me.. gotta ask 1 more time. is there a restricted driver file one can edit to control what shows up in the RDM (Hardware Drivers)?
[04:39] <calc> the new upload will remove the default style (unused unneeded), fix the spellchecker, hopefully build on powerpc, and correct the names of the apps in menu, along with adding a sun logo the splash screen
[04:40] <DanaG> default style?
[04:40] <DanaG> Oh, openoffice.
[04:42] <bazhang> have to say that open office in ubuntu is faster than when I have to use MS version of open office
[04:42] <Some_Person> Did they improve Compiz in Hardy?
[04:42] <icanhasadmin> so who wants to hear something funny?
[04:42] <danage> Some_Person: yes
[04:42] <Some_Person> Did they fix the issue I've been having since Feisty?
[04:43] <Some_Person> (titlebar sometimes turns white)
[04:43] <bazhang> what issue Some_Person
[04:43] <calc> DanaG: yea the openoffice.org-style-default package will be going away
[04:43] <bazhang> titlebar of what Some_Person
[04:43] <Some_Person> of windows
[04:44] <bazhang> sounds like a video driver misconfiguration
[04:44] <scizzo-> Some_Person: using emerald or metacity?
[04:44] <Some_Person> either
[04:44] <scizzo-> Some_Person: does it go away if you turn off compiz?
[04:44] <Some_Person> using Xgl is a pain, but a working workaround
[04:44] <Some_Person> Yes, I get no problems without compiz
[04:45] <bazhang> ati? there's the problem
[04:45] <icanhasadmin> ati works fine, stop it
[04:45] <Some_Person> heres a screeny of it: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10191814/Screenshot.png
[04:45] <bazhang> is that the funny icanhasadmin? ;]
[04:45] <Some_Person> It is filed as Bug 99508
[04:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99508 in compiz "Window titlebar displayed not right with compiz enabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99508
[04:46] <scizzo-> Some_Person: and what if you turn off xgl and have compiz with standard driver thingy rendering?
[04:46] <Some_Person> i get the problem if i do that
[04:46] <icanhasadmin> scizzo-: that would be a "good" suggestion. no one takes those here
[04:47] <scizzo-> icanhasadmin: ?
[04:48] <Some_Person> i have decided in favor of disabling window decorations instead of using xgl
[04:48] <Some_Person> i hope i will not have to in hardy
[04:48] <swuboo> Some_Person:  Have you tried Emerald?
[04:49] <Some_Person> doesn't help
[04:49] <swuboo> Some_Person:  Ah, well.
[04:49] <Some_Person> only workaround i found is Xgl, which is a pain in the ***
[04:52] <icanhasadmin> Some_Person: i don't understand, what's wrong with your deccos? and you're using gtk or emerald?
[04:52] <Some_Person> gtk
[04:52] <icanhasadmin> Some_Person: and they turn white?
[04:52] <Some_Person> but i've tried emerald, same problem
[04:52] <Some_Person> yes
[04:53] <Some_Person> when i hover over the min/max/close button a few times
[04:53] <Some_Person> i came here to ask if it was fixed in hardy
[04:53] <icanhasadmin> Some_Person: with fglrx drivers?
[04:53] <Some_Person> fglrx?
[04:54] <icanhasadmin> Some_Person: binary ati drivers
[04:54] <Some_Person> i have nvidia
[04:54]  * icanhasadmin facepalms
[04:54] <icanhasadmin> wow i'm out of it tonight
[04:54] <Some_Person> and i use the proprietary drivers
[04:54] <icanhasadmin> Some_Person: is your depth set at 24?
[04:54] <crdlb> ah that
[04:54] <crdlb> it's a bug in the nvidia driver
[04:54] <Some_Person> probably, i'll check, icanhadadmin
[04:54] <crdlb> it doesn't happen for anyone else
[04:55] <Some_Person> correction, my depth is at 32
[04:55] <icanhasadmin> Some_Person: sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24
[04:55] <icanhasadmin> crdlb: you sure? ;)
[04:55] <Some_Person> why 24?
[04:55] <icanhasadmin> Some_Person: because it fixes your BROKEN probelm ;)
[04:56] <icanhasadmin> Some_Person: you see, techincally "32" bit is actually "24" bit, it's a long story.
[04:56] <Some_Person> ok, so now i CTRL-ALT-BKSPC or do i reboot?
[04:56] <icanhasadmin> crdlb: so my harddrive just died, i'm running konversation on RAM :D
[04:56] <crdlb> icanhasadmin: yes
[04:56] <sveakex> icanhasadmin: *claps* how did you manage? :P
[04:56] <_Rambaldi_> i have tried to install vmplayer but no go, said there no prebuilt modules for hardy
[04:56] <icanhasadmin> crdlb: i know like 2 or 3 things xD
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> _Rambaldi_, why not virtualbox?
[04:57] <icanhasadmin> Some_Person: restarting X is fine.
[04:57] <Some_Person> ok, thank you, i hope it works (if it does, this is the fix i've been looking for since feisty)
[04:57] <_Rambaldi_> no usb support nomasteryoda for the one in repository
[04:58] <Some_Person> nope, still doing it
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> but you can download the virtualbox .deb for gutsy... working fine for me.. but its "not recommended" by hardy team...
[04:58] <Fritzel> ok that helped
[04:58] <Fritzel> one sec
[04:58] <icanhasadmin> Some_Person: i don't believe you. liar
[04:58] <Fritzel> -grumbles about using rars-
[04:58] <Some_Person> want screenshot?
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> i'm using it for xp guest
[04:59] <_Rambaldi_> is that the non-free version nomasteryoda
[04:59] <icanhasadmin> Some_Person: heh, check your xorg.conf, make sure nvidia-config actually did what you asked it to
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> yup
[04:59] <Fritzel> it's going to be an hour, my net is fast enough but there's a bottleneck somewhere
[04:59] <crdlb> Some_Person: using a non-clearlooks-based metacity theme should avoid the driver bug
[04:59] <_Rambaldi_> how long is the trial period nomasteryoda
[04:59] <Fritzel> in the meantime does your video card work in other games?
[05:00] <Some_Person> default ubuntu theme is my favorite theme
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> forever _Rambaldi_
[05:00] <icanhasadmin> crdlb: stop knowing everything. it's silly :D
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> its free for personal use
[05:00] <_Rambaldi_> so the non-free is free for personal use nomasteryoda
[05:00] <Some_Person> icanhasadmin: you tell me: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63247/
[05:00] <crdlb> Some_Person: go yell at nvidia then :/
[05:01] <icanhasadmin> Some_Person: i can't open that. sorry my harddrive died
[05:01] <icanhasadmin> crdlb: check his pastebin to make sure his xorg fix took pls? :)
[05:01] <Some_Person> then how are you online?
[05:01] <crdlb> it's not an xorg.conf problem
[05:02] <icanhasadmin> crdlb: doesn't that nvidia command add something to xorg.conf?
[05:02] <crdlb> it does, but it also won't help
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> _Rambaldi_, http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions
[05:02] <Some_Person> i've got a strange xorg.conf, 2 unkown screen sections, not sure which is the real one
[05:02] <icanhasadmin> Some_Person: konversation loaded into ram before my hdd died :P
[05:02] <icanhasadmin> crdlb: i see, interesting.
[05:02] <bentrafford> Hi! I'm having a weird problem. A number of my net applications won't connect properly -- I'm trying to use Filezilla, Terminal Services Client, even TightVNC to connect to a remote Windows machine. I can connect to the Windows machine from my Windows box, but not from Ubuntu. I have no proxy setup. In all cases, I seem to be able to connect (TightVNC and TSC give me a screen, but it's frozen, FileZilla shows me an initial directory
[05:02] <_Rambaldi_> nomasteryoda, you may just have saved me from headache
[05:03] <crdlb> Some_Person: "Screen0" is the real one
[05:03] <icanhasadmin> bentrafford: silly question, no firewall in some sort of router no?
[05:03] <crdlb> Some_Person: see the ServerLayout section
[05:03] <Some_Person> are you sure?
[05:03] <DanaG> Hard drive died?  I hope you had some warning, to make a backup.
[05:03] <crdlb>     Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
[05:03] <Some_Person> so what is "Screen"?
[05:03] <bentrafford> Nope, no firewall. A Windows machine on my local network can reach the remote Windows box with no problems.
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> _Rambaldi_, enjoy... like i said, it is working well and imports vmware images
[05:03] <Some_Person> sorry, "Default Screen" that is
[05:04] <Some_Person> I know what "micropolis" is
[05:04] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: my warning was, it died, so i restarted.. worked for like another 5 minutes. I"ll stick it in the freezer, should give me enough time to backup /home, worked last time i had an issue :)
[05:04] <crdlb> Some_Person: the other screen section is just taking up space
[05:04] <Some_Person> what about the Device section?
[05:04] <Some_Person> I have 2
[05:04] <crdlb> follow the identifiers
[05:04] <DanaG> What about any custom stuff in /etc ?
[05:05] <crdlb> the xorg.conf is parsed top-down, starting with the ServerLayout section
[05:05] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: actually, not 100% sure it's the harddrive. possible that -16 is making my usb go crazy, not enough power, or going to sleep
[05:05] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: eh, i can redo all my custom loads and things. nothing major i don't think.
[05:05] <crdlb> ServerLayout points to a screen , Screen points to a device, Device points to a Monitor
[05:05] <Some_Person> looks like Videocard0 is the real one
[05:06] <Some_Person> and  Monitor0
[05:06] <crdlb> yep
[05:06] <DanaG> We need a system-level "Time Machine" app to do FULL system backups.
[05:07] <usser> DanaG, whats wrong with tar?
[05:07] <bentrafford> Anybody had any similar problems to mine? I'm completely confuzzled.
[05:07] <usser> or rsync
[05:07] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: is anything like that in the ubuntu specs?
[05:07] <Some_Person> so I also need to change "micropolis" to "Videocard0"
[05:07] <Some_Person> and Monitor0
[05:07] <_Rambaldi_> there is no platform for hardy, will one for gutsy work as well nomasteryoda
[05:07] <usser> or partimage
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> that's what i'm using
[05:08] <icanhasadmin> i'm going to try to reboot with -15, see if maybe it's not my HDD after all
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> i just added the repo for gutsy
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> installed that way
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> they will have a version for hardy
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> esp since sun is being so good to linux
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> and ubuntu
[05:08] <decay> Hey Guys. there was a compiz update and now my borders aren't showing. any thoughts?
[05:09] <icanhasadmin> decay: gtk-window-decorator?
[05:09] <crdlb> decay: restart your window decorator
[05:09] <Some_Person> so do you think my feisty/gutsy compiz issue will be fixed in hardy?
[05:09] <crdlb> Some_Person: it's a bug in the nvidia driver which has not been fixed as far as I know
[05:09] <icanhasadmin> Some_Person: your issue seems to be driver related, so not unless hardy repos have newer driver than you have
[05:10] <DanaG> argh, compiz is using 20% CPU.
[05:10] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: uninstall xgl :P :D j/k
[05:10] <decay> icanhasadmin: crdlb: i did. i even restarted computer. its emerald. i even tried emerald --replace
[05:11] <icanhasadmin> decay: what did emerald --replace do?
[05:11] <decay> icanhasadmin: nothing at all
[05:11] <crdlb> decay: does gtk-window-decorator --replace work?
[05:12] <decay> icanhasadmin: some error messages, sorry
[05:12] <icanhasadmin> kk, bbiab
[05:12] <sudobash> how can i get my nvidia drivers to work in 8.04... restricted driver manager worked for 7.10... Nvidia Geforce FX 5200 256MB
[05:12] <decay> crdlb: let me try
[05:12] <decay> crd
[05:12] <decay> crdlb: nothing happens. but i am using gtk for now though
[05:13] <crdlb> nothing happens? does that mean you have decorations now?
[05:14] <sudobash> in Hardware Driver the Nvidia driver is clicked but it is red and says not in use... should i edit the xorg.conf and change the driver to use nvidia and not nv?
[05:16] <sudobash> xorg already says nvidia so i gues maybe these updates and a restart might fix it... or break more things...
[05:16] <sudobash> 475 updates
[05:16] <crdlb> heh, you probably should apply those
[05:16] <x1250> is there anyway to print more than 1 (say 6) slides per page in a ppt on openoffice?
[05:17] <Some_Person> I wish they would flip the theme to this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Kerberos
[05:19] <sudobash> yeah but if it screws anything up ill have to reinstall
[05:19] <sveakex> updating ubuntu to 8.04 takes longer than to install portage
[05:19] <sveakex> lol
[05:20] <sudobash> thats for 8.04... already 470 something updates
[05:20] <sudobash> from cd install i downloaded today
[05:20]  * Some_Person sighs, i guess no effects until hardy+1
[05:21] <sveakex> Some_Person: no effects?
[05:21] <Some_Person> i have issues with titilebars when using effects
[05:22] <sveakex> Some_Person: compiz-fusion?
[05:22] <sudobash> someperson how are you starting the visual effects... are you using a manager or not?
[05:22] <Some_Person> sveakex: yep
[05:22] <Some_Person> sveakex: i've had this issue since feisty
[05:22] <BHSPitMonkey> So I've noticed I have Firefox 3.0b2, even though I only have b5 and 2.0 installed
[05:23] <BHSPitMonkey> Has this happened to anybody else?
[05:23] <Some_Person> sveakex: Bug 99508
[05:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99508 in compiz "Window titlebar displayed not right with compiz enabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99508
[05:23] <sveakex> Some_Person: aha, are you using the ubuntu compiz-fusion or did you actually install the entire thing
[05:23] <sudobash> restart gdm someperson or just restart the pc
[05:23] <sudobash> and see if it happens again
[05:24] <sveakex> Some_Person: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion cause if you are using the one preinstalled in ubuntu try this
[05:24] <Some_Person> i've been fighting this problem since feisty. i know rebooting won't help
[05:24] <Some_Person> Is this version better/newer?
[05:24] <sveakex> Some_Person: it is a more official version
[05:25] <sveakex> Some_Person: it will give you more effects
[05:25] <Some_Person> It says "(Not needed on Gutsy)"
[05:25] <sveakex> Some_Person: and you will have better control over them
[05:25] <Some_Person> I already have ccsm
[05:25] <sveakex> you don't need to add the repositories in gutsy
[05:25] <Some_Person> i already done that then :(
[05:26] <sudobash> i always had problems like missing titlebars when starting beryl and compiz without going through a manger
[05:26] <sveakex> :(
[05:26] <sudobash> manager
[05:26] <sveakex> maybe you can use metacity instead of the window manager thing compiz-fusion has
[05:26] <crdlb> if you use metacity, you don't use compiz
[05:26] <swuboo> I've been using Metacity with compiz-fusion for months, personally.
[05:27] <Some_Person> i do use metacity w/ compi
[05:27] <sveakex> i don't even use compiz-fusion
[05:27] <crdlb> no you haven't
[05:27] <swuboo> Well, not Metacity.  The compiz-fusion decorator thing.
[05:27] <Some_Person> z
[05:27] <Some_Person> but i get this issue
[05:27] <crdlb> gtk-window-decorator is _not_ metacity
[05:27] <swuboo> crdlb:  You're right, it's not actually Metacity, but since anything I do to affect Metacity works for it, it's easy to forget the difference.
[05:27] <sudobash> anyways one of these dayd ubuntu is going to be the best OS in the world...
[05:27] <sudobash> days
[05:28] <Some_Person> this illustrates it well (but not my screeny): http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13147434/Screenshot.png
[05:30] <Some_Person> it doesn't do it on all themes though
[05:30] <Some_Person> example: it won't do it on LegacyHuman
[05:31] <DanaG> gtk-window-decorator doesn't change colors on the fly properly.  Is that a known bug?  (perhaps I should answer my own question: yes, most likely.)
[05:32] <Some_Person> huh, it seems to only happen on clearlooks-based themes (such as Human)
[05:34] <itshare> is it posable to use apt-get instead of aptitude for the do-release-upgrade tool?
[05:35] <itshare> i'm trying to debug a problem where the upgrade aborts on "A unresolvable problem occurred ..."
[05:37] <Fritzel> how can I give up sudo permissions
[05:37] <Fritzel> like make it so I have to authenticate again
[05:38] <itshare> sudo -k
[05:38] <Fritzel> thank you
[05:38] <itshare> np
[05:42] <tanner> how can you mount cramfs read/write?
[05:42] <itshare> isnt it a read only fs?
[05:42] <tanner> technically
[05:44] <itshare> when i run do-release-upgrade i'm warned "Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[05:44] <itshare> ", and told "If none of this applies, then please report this bug"
[05:45] <itshare> since i'm trying to dist-upgrade to hardy, should i file a bug anyway?
[05:48] <swuboo> itshare:  No, that's there in case it still says that after the official release, when it shouldn't.
[05:48] <swuboo> itshare:  At the moment, it's entirely appropriate.  No bug.
[05:50] <itshare> swuboo: thanks, i'll file something
[05:50] <sveakex> bazhang: my computer died! :D xD
[05:50] <sveakex> time to reinstall
[05:53] <swuboo> I'm beginning to lose all faith in system-monitor.
[05:54] <swuboo> It keeps telling me that no there are only two processes using any CPU time, and they're both using less than 15%.  Meanwhile, it's also telling me that my CPU is 60% in use.
[05:54] <itshare> swuboo: is it IO bound?
[05:54] <sudobash> swuboo ubuntu?
[05:54] <swuboo> Ubuntu, of course.
[05:54] <sudobash> is trackerd a running process
[05:54] <sudobash> ?
[05:55] <swuboo> sudobash:  Funnily enough.
[05:55] <sudobash> kill it
[05:55] <swuboo> I know it's the one eating it all, I'm just peeved that system monitor says trackerd's usuing 10% when it's clearly dominating an entire core.
[05:56] <swuboo> Won't it finish its indexing thing and go away on its own?
[05:56] <sudobash> i just kill
[05:56] <sudobash> it
[05:56] <bazhang> sveakex: wow that sounds bad
[05:56] <sudobash> it takes up to much resources
[05:56] <swuboo> I'm not using the resources for anything right now; so I'm not too too worried about it.
[05:56] <sudobash> to many*
[05:57] <sveakex> bazhang: haha! i am going to install kubuntu 8.04 with kde4 instead
[05:57] <sveakex> i want to see how it is
[05:57] <sudobash> 8.04 is working great for me and it is running firefox 3.05b
[05:57] <bazhang> sveakex: it is a *big* departure, especially from kde3
[05:57] <sudobash> and working with my Nvidia drivers after updates
[05:57] <swuboo> I just find it aggravating that System Monitor can say that the CPU is both 15% and 70% in use at the same time.
[05:57] <sudobash> and worked right off the batt with spdif
[05:57] <atrus> excuse me if this is a stupid question, but where is the preference for loading a media program when i plug in an mp3 player?
[05:58] <itshare> thanks for the help all. i'll have to wait and see what happens to my bug report
[05:58] <atrus> or for that matter the option to auto-mount and/or auto-open usb drives? (it doesn't appear to be under "removable drives and media preferences" anymore)
[05:58] <sveakex> bazhang: well the install cd installs kde4
[06:00] <atrus> i was sure there was one before, probabbly in gutsy
[06:00] <DanaG> ﻿Ooh, I just had an idea: something to import iGoogle themes to the desktop slideshow thingy.
[06:02] <swuboo> There we go.  Trackerd's spasm was my fault.
[06:05] <sveakex> does kubuntu come with fx?
[06:05] <sveakex> since konqueror really sucks for webbrowsing
[06:09] <sveakex> bazhang: hm, apparently something doesn't work in 8.04 on my laptop.
[06:09] <sveakex> i can't even boot with a live cd.
[06:09] <sveakex> "lts"
[06:09] <sveakex> xD
[06:13] <ethana2> konq is going webkit, right?
[06:14] <ethana2> so it'll be decent for browsing soon?
[06:14] <ethana2> I really look forward to seeing a browser on my own machine pass acid3
[06:16] <hydrogen> thats such a completely wrong set of statements..
[06:16] <hydrogen> I don't even know where to start
[06:16] <hydrogen> so I won't, I'll go to bed instead
[06:17] <dwidmann> ethana2: no ... but you can install webkitkde for a konqueror webkit plugin I think
[06:18] <ethana2> oh
[06:18] <ethana2> I see
[06:18] <ethana2> was hydrogen talking to me?
[06:18] <dwidmann> Wait, package disappeared, I can't remember what it's called
[06:18] <dwidmann> ethana2: probably
[06:18] <ethana2> yeah.....
[06:18] <cpk1> would it be considered normal to be having segfaults because I am running hardy?
[06:18] <ethana2> sorry to all the khtml folks..
[06:19] <ethana2> cpk1: I get them all the time
[06:19] <swuboo> Hmm.  Apparently, using vncviewer to control your own desktop doesn't work very well.
[06:19] <cpk1> ok, then I will just pray they all go away on the 24th =P
[06:19] <mheath> cpk1: segfaults while doing what?
[06:19] <dwidmann> cpk1: umm, segfaults = either buggy software or bad cpu or bad memory I think
[06:19] <ethana2> buggy software..
[06:19] <ethana2> pre-release, comes with the territory
[06:20] <cpk1> well Xorg just segfaulted while I was playing a game with a linux client and now I cant even get that game to start up
[06:20] <mheath> cpk1: This is NOT 'normal' behavior.
[06:21] <mheath> cpk1: While, as others have pointed out, there may be a higher chance of encountring problems, seg faults are NOT normal, and are not to be expected.
[06:21] <DarkMageZ> ... it's only 8 days before launch... there should be next to no bugs left.
[06:21] <dwidmann> ethana2: the other 2 can do it too, but yeah, probably buggy software right now
[06:21] <dwidmann> DarkMageZ: aren't you the optimist?
[06:21] <DarkMageZ> dwidmann, lol. i'm saying how things should be. not how they are ッ
[06:22] <cpk1> on the bright side I got an oops but didnt lock up =p
[06:22] <mheath> cpk1: File a bug report, maybe?
[06:22] <mheath> cpk1: Or use the automatic crash tool if it's avilable for your situation
[06:22] <cpk1> i dont even know what caused it
[06:23] <dwidmann> cpk1: maybe you can find out what did in the syslog
[06:23] <DarkMageZ> this attitude that bugs should exist in everything prior to the release. then they magically are all gone once the launch happens is pure retarded.
[06:23] <cpk1> all I know is the game looked like it was going to lock up so I went to tty1 and then xorg seg faulted and the oops says pretty much every module is linked in on the oops
[06:23] <mheath> DarkMageZ: No one made that assumption or statement.
[06:23] <bhsx> hi,  i was hoping that installing the "edubuntu-server" metapackage on hardy heron would install all the LTSP stuff, but it looks like it just installs postgres, apache, some perl scripts and php....  is there an easy way to install the LTSP server aspects without downloading/installing the whole edubuntu distro?
[06:23] <dwidmann> DarkMageZ: take out the old bugs, put in the new ones :)
[06:23] <mheath> DarkMageZ: Hardy is a LTS version of Ubuntu. The goal is to have it stable for release, but it will continue to be supported, updated, and fixed afterwards.
[06:24] <bhsx> is there an LTSP metapackage for hardy?
[06:24] <DarkMageZ> mheath, uh, you're obviously new around here. things aren't fixed afterwards unless they're deemed security or extremely critical.
[06:24] <swuboo> cpk1:  What game was it?
[06:24] <cpk1> vendetta-online
[06:25] <mheath> DarkMageZ: I'm quite aware of Ubuntu's updates policy, and fail to see how it disagrees with my statement.
[06:25] <bhsx> vendetta used to be awesome... i used to play it while it was free
[06:25]  * dwidmann wonders why Qsynaptics isn't in the repos right now :s
[06:25] <bhsx> but i cant imagine paying monthly to play it
[06:25] <cpk1> I was trying the free trial
[06:26] <bazhang> sveakex: it doesnt boot at all? did you try editing boot params to acpi=off and removing quiet?
[06:26] <cpk1> syslog has very little complaining other than 2 segfaults right on top of each other
[06:27] <mheath> DarkMageZ: Also, I'd like to remind you that many people would take it as very rude to reply to their good-natured suggestions with comments about how they're obviously "too new around here" to know what they're talking about.
[06:28] <cpk1> although from the oops message it looks like it was the game that caused the fault, thats unfortunate
[06:28] <bazhang> DarkMageZ: what is the issue?
[06:29] <deeceefar2> is anyone available to help me troubleshoot a kernel panic issue during boot?
[06:29] <swuboo> cpk1:  I would say that the game causing the segfault is probably preferable to any other culprit.
[06:29] <mheath> DarkMageZ: I've ran Ubuntu for several years, and have been an active contributor. I've battled with the Stable Release Updates policy before, and have had the challenge of trying to push for updates several times. I'm very aware of it; you really don't need to suggest I'm an idiot.
[06:30] <deeceefar2> it only happens when the computer stalls and I have to power it off
[06:30] <cpk1> swuboo: true, but you would hope a linux client that you have to pay for wouldnt cause segfaults, thankfully I am just trying the trial version
[06:30] <mheath> DarkMageZ: My comment about LTS being well maintained was that, as you said, security and major problems are all promptly fixed.
[06:30] <swuboo> cpk1:  Very true.  Still, far better that than an actual Ubuntu package the week before the stable release!
[06:30] <mheath> DarkMageZ: Also, the backports for LTS stuff tends to be very well maintained
[06:31] <mheath> deeceefar2: So the computer freezes, you have to forcefully power it up, and then you get a panic when you start it up again?
[06:32] <mheath> erm
[06:32] <deeceefar2> ya
[06:32] <mheath> *You have to forcefully power it down
[06:32] <deeceefar2> error: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[06:32] <mheath> deeceefar2: what message does it show, if any?
[06:32] <DanaG> I once tried to ndiswrapper my ipw3945 card.
[06:32] <DanaG> The only way I could boot: physically REMOVE the card.
[06:32] <mheath> deeceefar2: Does it keep doing that? Or does it work OK the next time you start it up?
[06:33] <deeceefar2> it does it for an unknown amount of boot attempts, and then randomly starts working again
[06:33] <mheath> Hmmm
[06:34] <mheath> deeceefar2: Do you know what filesystem your root partition is using? Or did you just go with the default partitioner options during install?
[06:34] <deeceefar2> I did default partitioning options during install
[06:35] <deeceefar2> which I have windows XP install and had it resize parition and install ubuntu 8.04 over 2nd half
[06:35] <DarkMageZ> mheath, my comment was mearly a view on how contrasted the attitudes are between just pre-release and then the magical views & polices to match just afterwards. if you watch the environment and views more carefully you would have noticed this. no need to get all defensive over it.
[06:36] <didy> ﻿someone plz tell me how to completely uninstall kde :P
[06:36] <mheath> didy: and switch to Gnome? Or what?
[06:36] <bazhang> didy: you can /msg ubotu puregnome for a link to that
[06:37] <mheath> deeceefar2: I'm not sure what your problem is....
[06:37] <mheath> deeceefar2: essentially, it can't find your hard drive.
[06:37] <deeceefar2> ubuntu is installed on partion 4, (hd0,4)
[06:37] <didy> i can log into gnome/kde.. just that has kde boot up picture and login
[06:37] <didy> and kde-related applications
[06:37] <didy> how do i remove!!
[06:38] <deeceefar2> the confusing thing is that, it seems to work after a couple of reboots
[06:38] <bazhang> !puregnome | didy
[06:38] <ubotu> didy: If you want to remove all !KDE packages and have a default !Ubuntu system follow the instructions here << http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome >>
[06:38] <sveakex> bazhang: i solved it, it was sony issues, but i installed kbuuntu kde4 instead
[06:38] <bazhang> didy read that link
[06:38] <sveakex> bazhang: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4698736
[06:38] <sveakex> is how
[06:38] <bazhang> sveakex: nice work!
[06:38] <sveakex> bazhang: :)
[06:38] <mheath> deeceefar2: the 'unknown-block' shows your system flat out can't find/access the hard drive
[06:39] <mheath> deeceefar2: The more interesting/relevant lines should be right above that, actually...
[06:39] <mheath> deeceefar2: what did it say right before that?
[06:40] <deeceefar2> can't remember, let me see if I can dig it out of my google searches
[06:41] <mheath> deeceefar2: Just incase...you haven't done anything weird like compiled your own kernel, have you?
[06:42] <deeceefar2> no I updated through regular updates
[06:42] <deeceefar2> but haven't compiled anything
[06:43] <deeceefar2> I have recompiled nvidia module to get flash working again... long story
[06:43] <mheath> OK, just making sure. I'm most used to seeing that error message when people have compiled their own kernel and messed up, though there are lots of other things that can cause it, as in your situation.
[06:44] <deeceefar2> I find it odd that during normal reboots it works fine, but if I have to cut power and reboot it hangs everytime for a coupe of times and then starts working again
[06:45] <didy> ﻿im using hardy heron ubuntu 8.04 beta and installed kde for fun... then i dun want it. i wanna do a complete uninstallation of kde (including related tools/boot screen/login screen)
[06:45] <negge> fiilis nä man har tidernas sämsta kväll å så vaknar man kvart över 8 av att brorsan ringer å säger att morsan måst ha bilen heti
[06:45] <negge> så hamnar man säätä me någå sånt
[06:46] <negge> man hinner bara fa å sova å så börjar saker va cp igen
[06:46] <negge> oops
[06:46] <negge> wrong channel:D
[06:46] <didy> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[06:47] <didy> ?????/
[06:47] <deeceefar2> invalid compressed format err=2
[06:47] <Fritzel> is memtest86 compatible with 64 bit arch?
[06:47] <deeceefar2> that is the last line I can see above it
[06:48] <mheath> didy: perhaps you should do what it says to do?
[06:48] <bazhang> !puregnome | didy
[06:48] <ubotu> didy: If you want to remove all !KDE packages and have a default !Ubuntu system follow the instructions here << http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome >>
[06:48] <sveakex> bazhang: do you know what frontend kde uses to install/remove programs?
[06:48] <bazhang> didy nobody reply? what is that?
[06:48] <didy> i get E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. when typed commands mentioned on webby
[06:48] <didy> i already said.......
[06:48] <didy> any idea?
[06:48] <RAOF> Fritzel: Yes, because all x86-64 processors can run IA32 code.
[06:48] <DanaG> If you used aptitude to install other desktop environments, you will not need this tutorial --- that's EXACTLY why I always use aptitude.
[06:49] <mheath> didy: Then do what it says, perhaps?
[06:49] <didy> i did
[06:49] <didy> and i get this error msg "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. "
[06:49] <bazhang> didy: I answered you several minutes ago and you ignored it
[06:49] <mheath> didy: You can 'dpkg --configure -a' and its still telling you to run it again?
[06:49] <DanaG> Is there any way to get cpufreq to ignore compiz-fusion?
[06:49] <mheath> *ran
[06:49] <deeceefar2> mheath: "invalid compressed format err=2" is last line above the kernel panic
[06:50] <JPSman> So what is different between Hardy and Gutsy?
[06:50] <Fritzel> roaf so then if memtest86 gets errors on 3.5gb every time in the same spot and my ddr2 is 1gb sticks I probably have a bad stick?
[06:50] <didy> dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege
[06:50] <RAOF> JPSman: Pretty much everything.
[06:50] <mheath> deeceefar2: Wait...when you said you had to forcefully poweroff the system, you weren't talking about it being in sleep or hibernate mode, were you/
[06:50] <mheath> deeceefar2: ?
[06:50] <mheath> didy: Why are you running Hardy Heron?
[06:50] <didy> for fun
[06:50] <deeceefar2> no, it runing normally hanging and then having to hold power for 5 seconds to reboot it
[06:50] <mheath> didy: Hardy Heron is unreleased Beta software, recommend only for experienced users still
[06:50] <JanPeter> cuz it kicks ass!
[06:50] <JPSman> RAOF : is there some text that lists the differences?
[06:51] <RAOF> Fritzel: That would seem to be the case, yes.  The other option is that this is a memory-mapped device problem.
[06:51] <JanPeter> i like bleeding EDGE
[06:51] <didy> did i commit a crime then?
[06:51] <mheath> didy: You seem completely unfamiliar with how to do even basic administration tasks on a Ubuntu system
[06:51] <mheath> didy: No, I'm just warning you...
[06:51] <mheath> Most of the help you're still going to find expects a certain level of existing knowledge
[06:51] <didy> lol
[06:51] <RAOF> JPSman: Not really.  The release notes on the wiki have some stuff.
[06:51] <mheath> A level of existing knoweldge you seem to lack
[06:51] <Fritzel> RAOF: well wait if the application is 32 bit then it'll execute as 32 bit regardless right? which would be subject to the 4gb limit?
[06:51] <RAOF> Fritzel: Yes.  Well, kinda.
[06:51] <bazhang> didy when people suggest things and you ignore them dont expect more help in a hurry
[06:52] <JPSman> RAOF: K, thnx
[06:52] <RAOF> Fritzel: Either way, 3.5 < 4 :)
[06:52] <didy> i didnt ignore it
[06:52] <JanPeter> ignoring!
[06:52] <mheath> didy: Rerun the command, prefixed by "sudo". "sudo" gives you superuser privleges, which you need to run 'dpkg' or 'apt-get'.
[06:52] <bazhang> good luck with that problem then didy
[06:52] <Fritzel> RAOF:  yes but the part that makes me question it is that if I was running a 32 bit os I would only see about that much memory, so I guess I'm trying to figure out if I can trust those failures to be real?
[06:53] <deeceefar2> mheath: I've got to run I'll be back in a 30min if you can think of anything
[06:53] <deeceefar2> thanx for the help
[06:53] <SuperQ> awesome, hardy installed flawlessly on my girlfriend's new T61 (she did the whole install including resize windows partition out of the way)
[06:53] <RAOF> Fritzel: This is a fair point, one which I'd google for the memtest86 homepage to answer.
[06:53] <SuperQ> (used 4-14 nightly ISO)
[06:54] <Fritzel> -nod- alright thanks for giving me a soundign board ^^
[06:54] <mheath> deeceefar2: I'm at a loss. While I can think of many things that would cause that error, I can't think of any that would 'magically go away'.
[06:54] <SuperQ> the only thing that sucks is there is no option for filesystme encryption in the Desktop installer :(
[06:54] <bazhang> SuperQ: wireless too?
[06:55] <didy> can u stop abusing the bot i know hardy is still in beta!
[06:55] <bazhang> didy: then please stop asking in the *wrong* channel
[06:55] <SuperQ> bazhang: yes, wireless works fine, intel 4965 A/G/N adapter
[06:56] <didy> bazchang if u dun feel like helping plz dun
[06:56] <didy> ur attitude sucks!
[06:56] <SuperQ> bazhang: intel GMA video (way easier than dealing with nvidia driver)
[06:56] <bazhang> SuperQ: nice; as for encryption dm-crypt or truecrypt might do what you want
[06:56] <RAOF> SuperQ: Damn straight.
[06:56] <RAOF> bazhang: Yeah, but they'd need to use the alternate installer.
[06:57] <bazhang> RAOF: thanks for the tip!
[06:57] <sveakex> does flash work in konqueror?
[06:57] <RAOF> sveakex: At the moment, yes, it should.
[06:57] <RAOF> I think.  This may change should adobe choose to break it (again).
[06:58] <SuperQ> bazhang: yea, I use it on my laptop
[06:58] <SuperQ> bazhang: (dm-crypt)
[06:58] <SuperQ> bazhang: I was hoping it would be in the installer
[06:58] <bazhang> SuperQ: nice
[06:58] <SuperQ> bazhang: is it in the alternate?
[06:58] <sveakex> RAOF: i just installed libflashsupport and flashplugin-nonfree
[06:58] <sveakex> and it isn't working in konqueror
[06:58] <SuperQ> oh, RAOF answered tha tone
[06:58] <SuperQ> bazhang: I'll grab the alternate daily tomorrow and try it
[06:59] <mheath> I really wish they'd add encryption to the advanced partitioner in the normal install CDs :(
[06:59] <SuperQ> mheath: yea, me too
[06:59] <mheath> I Really see no reason why they don't; it's so streamlined in the alt CD already.
[06:59] <bazhang> probably too crowded
[06:59] <SuperQ> a simple "make encrypted" checkbox would rock
[06:59] <DanaG> I wish there were a simple backup app that was as easy to operate as that Time Machine thaaang.
[07:00] <SuperQ> I don't normally use the desktop installer, but I wanted to let my girlfriend do most of the install
[07:00] <DanaG> ... but it MUST have a "don't traverse file system boundaries" option!
[07:01] <SuperQ> DanaG: yea, I have my server setup with backuppc, but it's not easy to setup
[07:01] <SuperQ> DanaG: it's very easy to use for end users (no interaction)
[07:01] <DanaG> I don't currently have an extra PC to run it on, though.
[07:02] <SuperQ> DanaG: yea, I though't a "backup my computer" option was going to be in one of the ubuntu releases
[07:02] <SuperQ> I guess it got delayed
[07:02] <mheath> DanaG: I know next to nothing about Mac OS X, and most of what I do know is based on advertisements and random news blurbs, but I thought Time Machine was a save-every-version-of-a-file thing, not a traditional backup solution?
[07:02] <SuperQ> lol, my GF says "yay, now it feels like my computer again"
[07:02] <didy> ahhahaha
[07:02] <SuperQ> after spending 3 hours watching windows do updatesw
[07:02] <DanaG> It's a snapshot system with hardlinks, but it does the full system, I believe.
[07:03] <JPSman> So Wubi installs while windows is running, and it has its own Grub?
[07:03] <didy> im a ubuntu expert!
[07:03] <mheath> To correctly implement something similar in Linux, you'd probably have to do it at the kernel/filesystem level.
[07:03] <didy> i heard all linux users are nerds/geeks..
[07:04] <JPSman> naw linux is for the frat house
[07:04] <mheath> didy: Please stop. It's pretty clear that you know you're acting in a stupid way, but are choosing for whatever reason to do so anyway.
[07:04] <SuperQ> lol
[07:04] <bazhang> JPSman: have you read the wubi faq? you can /msg ubotu wubi for links
[07:05] <RyanPrior> JPSman: Wubi uses the native Windows bootloader to boot Ubuntu or Windows - no GRUB installation necessary.
[07:05] <macogw> didy: my mom's the furthest thing from a nerd/geek
[07:05] <JPSman> Bazhang: I have.  I just dome seem to understand it fully
[07:05] <didy> lol
[07:05] <JPSman> dome = dont
[07:05] <DanaG> My parents are too stubborn to try Linux.
[07:05] <JPSman> RyanPrior: Does it use NTFS then?
[07:05] <macogw> didy: my brother and sister are only slightly closer to nerd/geek. by which i mean they know how to use instant messaging apps. and that's it.
[07:06] <mheath> DanaG: It's a difficult issue to push for people who are set in their ways.
[07:06] <macogw> JPSman: no
[07:06] <macogw> JPSman: its a disk image
[07:06] <bazhang> JPSman: what RyanPrior said; one of the wubi developers comes by every so often he might be able to explain it (evan d)
[07:06] <didy> my friend's a  linux user. omg he's so technical and emotionless.. and when we talk he's like using linux language to me.. no offense tho
[07:06] <RyanPrior> JPSman: It creates a big file within the NTFS system which is treated as a root filesystem by Ubuntu.
[07:06] <macogw> JPSman: think of like how a .iso is an image of a cd and the image itself is iso9660 formatted, but it sits on top of whatever format your hard drive has
[07:06] <didy> i almost laugh to tears..
[07:06] <DanaG> Perhaps if that Component-Video Capture Device thingy gets Linux drivers, then I can make a Myth box.
[07:06] <JPSman> RyanPrior: OH ok
[07:06] <RyanPrior> JPSman: so to Ubuntu it looks like a root filesystem in ext3, while to Windows it looks like a big NTFS file.
[07:07] <SuperQ> hrm
[07:07] <JPSman> Thank you RyanPrior - Thank you Macogw
[07:07] <RyanPrior> JPSman: the fact that it is, in fact, a big NTFS file degrades performance somewhat, but not nearly as much as using a LiveCD.
[07:07] <RyanPrior> JPSman: Good luck with Wubi!
[07:07] <JPSman> I think with this I might be able to convince some friends to switch over
[07:07] <macogw> RyanPrior: how could it impact performance?
[07:08] <macogw> RyanPrior: the bootloader is loading the ext3 image directly
[07:08] <karmelek> how it will be when there will be final release of 8.04? Now I am using beta version - and then what? I have to download all big update when it will be released?
[07:08] <RyanPrior> macogw: Everything has to be read via NTFS, then re-interpreted as the root FS.
[07:08] <mheath> macogw: No; it accesses it via an NTFS partition still.
[07:08] <macogw> karmelek: if you keep up with daily updates, youll have the final version about 2 or 3 days ahead
[07:08] <RyanPrior> macogw: Check out the benchmarks if you're interested in specific numbers.
[07:08] <mheath> macogw: It's abstracted in a way so that it doesn't appear that way at all to the end user, but its still working that way.
[07:08] <didy> so how good is the coming hardy compared to suse
[07:08] <macogw> mheath: but windows isnt running...
[07:08] <macogw> didy: faster package manager
[07:09] <macogw> i cant stand yast
[07:09] <RyanPrior> didy: Hardy and Suse are very different distros, and both are quality, so you'll have to use both to decide which bits you like better.
[07:09] <macogw> big and bloaty and slowy and bad about dependencies....yuck
[07:09] <mheath> macogw, RyanPrior: Don't waste your breath. didy is a troll, and couldn't care less  about what you said.
[07:09] <karmelek> macogw: so I only have to update system daily?
[07:09] <macogw> karmelek: yep
[07:09] <karmelek> macogw: thanks
[07:09] <mheath> He's been in and out over the last half hour asking stupid questions like that, trollish things like that, and then ignoring all advice or anything people are saying to him.
[07:10] <macogw> karmelek: there shouldnt be updates (at least not many...) in the last 2 days since thats when they make the iso
[07:10] <RyanPrior> No banhammer tho?
[07:10] <bazhang> sadly no
[07:10] <JPSman> How big of a file will Wubi be on the windows disk?
[07:10] <RyanPrior> Speaking of which - did anybody else notice that there's a banhammer in Morrowind which does extra fire damage?
[07:10] <macogw> JPSman: i think thats up to you
[07:11] <mheath> JPSman: Yep, what macogw says
[07:11] <RyanPrior> JPSman: it can get pretty massive - for example, if the Ubuntu root FS is 6GB, the NTFS file would be that big.
[07:11] <mheath> Hmm, I haven't played with Wubi yet - does it work in that flexible way?
[07:11] <RyanPrior> JPSman: you might be able to jury rig it to use squashfs or something, but then you're degrading performance again.
[07:11] <mheath> Or is it a preset amount?
[07:12] <RyanPrior> mheath: It's a COW filesystem, so it's pretty flexable.
[07:12] <RyanPrior> I don't like flexible. Able to be flexed, not ible.
[07:13] <RyanPrior> mheath: actually, I'm not so sure it's COW now that I think about it.
[07:13] <JPSman> With this new technology I shall bring people to the ubuntu side mwahahaha
[07:13] <DanaG> Moo.
[07:13] <mheath> I'll have to play with it....
[07:13] <mheath> The lack of hibernate/sleep is troublesome
[07:14] <mheath> particularly for mobile users
[07:14] <mheath> Though, I don't see anyway around that.
[07:14] <RyanPrior> mheath: It's certainly a problem, but hibernate and sleep are difficult for mobile users already.
[07:14] <sveakex> meeh kde4 kubuntu 8.04 sucks
[07:14] <sveakex> back to ubuntu
[07:14] <mheath> RyanPrior: Indeed
[07:14] <macogw> sveakex: large chunks of kde havent gotten 4'd yet
[07:14] <RyanPrior> Until we get w00tly support from hardware vendors, probably not going to get much better.
[07:14] <macogw> sveakex: like kontact
[07:14] <mheath> My tablet is worthless in Ubuntu, for any of about 20 different reasons.
[07:15] <sveakex> macogw: yeah i noticed, i have weird kde3 apps installed aside kde4
[07:15] <macogw> my laptop hibernates perfectly
[07:15] <macogw> i dont think ive ever tried suspend
[07:15] <RyanPrior> mheath: Yeah, tablets become tiny little desktops.
[07:15] <macogw> will go try now
[07:15] <mheath> RyanPrior: Yep :(
[07:15] <RyanPrior> macogw: If it doesn't work and your computer won't boot, try taking the battery out and unplugging then try again in an hour.
[07:15] <sveakex> kde4 might be good in 8.10 or 9.04
[07:16] <macogw> yep suspend works perfectly
[07:16] <RyanPrior> macogw: Nice. Mine goes dead and won't start up again until I perform the procedure above.
[07:16] <macogw> this adds to my "stick to intel" philosophy
[07:16] <macogw> no closed source drivers, perfect suspend/hibernate....you cant go wrong
[07:17] <DanaG> I wish I could get that laptop I want with a tablet screen on top.
[07:17] <RyanPrior> macogw: What laptop do you have?
[07:17] <DanaG> 15" + tablet == DNE (does not exist).
[07:17] <macogw> RyanPrior: gateway mx6920
[07:17] <RyanPrior> macogw: Yuck, a Gateway? I thought those were kinda dumpy?
[07:17] <mheath> DanaG: My tablet is about that size, though widescreen.
[07:17] <DBO> anyone having issues with firefox 3 rendering being very slow?
[07:17] <macogw> RyanPrior: ive had to get parts replaced though...optical drive, power jack (resoldered once, replaced once), hard drive...
[07:18] <macogw> RyanPrior: they had no acpi issues....jsut fell apart
[07:18] <mheath> DBO: I haven't. Generally, thats been supposedly one of the vast IMPROVEMENTS in Firefox3
[07:18] <DanaG> I have a Gateway M685 that I got as a sort of scholarship sort of thingy..
[07:18] <RyanPrior> DBO: there's a fix for that included in the default install. go to the config page at about:robots
[07:18] <sveakex> does anybody know a good tablet computer where ubuntu works perfectly out of the box?
[07:18] <sveakex> or atleast well
[07:18] <DanaG> HP Business laptops, perhaps?
[07:18] <mheath> sveakex: Defines 'works perfectly'.
[07:18] <RyanPrior> macogw: so, kinda dumpy, yeah.
[07:19] <mheath> sveakex: The problem with tablet PCs is that, to fully utilize the tablet, you need software made for a tablet
[07:19] <DanaG> ﻿Boy, is the lid poorly designed in my Gateway -- I had to reinforce the lid with a RULER!
[07:19] <macogw> RyanPrior: they didnt used to be crappy. i have a gateway pentium 2 still running at home.  only hardware changes were more memory and nicer graphics card.  i took a gateway 486 to good will last summer which had never had a single hardware change, as far as i can tell
[07:19] <mheath> sveakex: Software that, in my opinion, Linux severely lacks in general
[07:19] <sveakex> mheath: it boots, i can listen to music, surf the web, touchpad support
[07:19] <sveakex> wifi
[07:19] <DBO> mheath, i know its supposed to be an improvement but i can assure you that ff2 is much faster for me
[07:19] <RyanPrior> sveakex: Linux desktops just don't have support for tablets. There are some spotty apps, but no quality.
[07:19] <DanaG> FF3 sucks at quitting.
[07:19] <mheath> sveakex: All of the hardware on my tablet is supported, but I can't really do anything worthwhile with my tablet other than use it as a mouse
[07:19] <DanaG> It goes quiFREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZEforcequit.
[07:19] <DanaG> Forcequit is where I give up.
[07:20] <DanaG> And force quit it.
[07:20] <sveakex> mheath: what do you being usinging it as a mouse?
[07:20] <sveakex> mean*
[07:20] <sveakex> holy crap i need to sleep xD
[07:20] <mheath> sveakex: I mean...theres nothing to do with it other than just use the pen as a mouse.
[07:20] <macogw> mheath: that inkblot game exists for linux, i think...
[07:20] <sveakex> mheath: ah, no surfing on the web?
[07:21] <mheath> Theres no handwriting recognition, no-tablet aware drawing apps, no tablet aware apps really at all, except for a few notepad writing apps
[07:21] <mheath> sveakex: Well, you can. It works just like a normal desktop, for all those things.
[07:21] <macogw> mheath: gimp should be tablet-aware
[07:21] <macogw> mheath: it can use Wacoms, and many tablets are wacom
[07:21] <sveakex> mheath: btw how do you type?
[07:21] <DBO> DanaG, that sucks too... can you see if linux.com has slow rendering for you?  specifically hovering their main links has a noticeable lag
[07:21] <mheath> sveakex: Thats another big issue.
[07:21] <mheath> My tablet is a dual mode - it flips open to a laptop
[07:21] <mheath> In tablet mode, your options in Linux are sparse
[07:21] <sveakex> mheath: i saw a tablet which has a mini keyboard
[07:22] <DanaG> It may be the site itself.
[07:22] <sveakex> think it was sony
[07:22] <mheath> Theres a few decent on screen keyboard apps
[07:22] <sveakex> but maybe it's not a tablet then
[07:22] <macogw> there's still no vertical scroll on touchpads in hardy
[07:22] <macogw> like, the xorg.conf isnt default setup properly for it
[07:22] <DBO> DanaG, i do not believe that to be the issue as this happens on several sites and it works properly in ff2
[07:22] <sveakex> any extremely small laptops
[07:22] <mheath> sveakex: let me put it this way: I haven't seen any tablet features in Linux that justify paying more money for a computer simply to gain tablet functionality.
[07:23] <sveakex> which work well on ubuntu?
[07:23] <macogw> mheath: i havent seen that on any os
[07:23] <bazhang> eeepc
[07:23] <sveakex> mheath: hm
[07:23] <macogw> bazhang: not a tablet
[07:23] <DanaG> http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=905&review=HP+Compaq+2710p+(Core+2+Duo+1.2GHz%2C+2GB+RAM%2C+100GB+HDD%2C+Vista+Business)
[07:24] <mheath> macogw: I've been discovering some apps for Windows that make me amazed by the features and power of my tablet, but I won't go into that more, and particularly not in this channel.
[07:24] <DanaG> Pointy Stick Thingy.
[07:24] <macogw> mheath: if i want to be really slow about note-taking and not be able to read it once class is over, i'll just paper, thanks.
[07:24] <bazhang> extremely small laptop macogw see sveakex's comment
[07:24] <macogw> bazhang: extremely small with touch screen
[07:24] <macogw> bazhang: without the touchscreen its just an ultra-portable
[07:24] <bazhang> macogw: eeepc
[07:25] <sveakex> that one works well on linux?
[07:25] <macogw> bazhang: eeepc doesnt have touchscreen...
[07:25] <macogw> does it?
[07:25] <bazhang> eeepc with touchscreen macogw
[07:25] <bazhang> yes
[07:25] <macogw> when did that happen?
[07:25] <macogw> they dont all have it, do they?
[07:26] <JDahl> I am trying to copy images from a cellphone to my laptop via bluetooth, but without success - the devices are paired,  but I get obex errors trying to copy. Has anyone here successfully copied files using bluetooth on Hardy?
[07:26] <macogw> mheath: other than wacom with gimp or inkscape, i cant come up with any good reason to use a tablet.  and having a separate wacom is just fine with me
[07:27] <macogw> JDahl: they let you do that?
[07:27] <macogw> JDahl: i thought you had to pay money to get pictures off a cell phone
[07:29] <macogw> JDahl: what cell company do you use? verizon has you pay to use the web part of your cell phone to upload them to their site then pay to download them back from the site to your computer
[07:31] <DanaG> ﻿WTF?  Xorg locked up... and then when I hit ctrl-alt-backspace, it must've been dyslexic, because it acted as if I had pressed ctrl-alt-del.
[07:31] <sveakex> DanaG: maybe you press control alt del
[07:31] <sveakex> prssed*
[07:31] <macogw> could have to do with being Xorg
[07:32] <sveakex> pressed*
[07:32] <macogw> it might not know what key is what since it kinda controls that
[07:32] <macogw> ...maybe?
[07:33] <DanaG> Oops, messing with date kills X, it seems.
[07:33] <DanaG> Or rather, freezes it.
[07:33] <DanaG> I used magic sysrq this time, and it didn't reboot.
[07:34] <BHSPitMonkey> Wow
[07:34] <DanaG> that was finch; back to pidgin.
[07:35] <harmental> hey guys...quick question...
[07:35] <harmental> is hardy already feture frozen?
[07:35] <RAOF> harmental: Yes, has been for months.
[07:36] <macogw> archive frozen to
[07:36] <macogw> *too
[07:37] <macogw> except for must-be-in-by-release bug fixes
[07:37] <karmelek> will hardy have a new look?
[07:38] <bluecake> is sound support better in 8.04?
[07:38] <macogw> bluecake: at the moment, it's silent. is that better?
[07:38] <bluecake> ;)
[07:39] <macogw> karmelek: there's a murrine-based theme available and a beautiful new wallpaper, but no huge overhaul
[07:39] <harmental> RAOF: oh....i thought that all those twice-a-day upgrades were part of the new features...
[07:39] <karmelek> macogw: where it is avalible?
[07:39] <harmental> i guess i mistaking "features" with "packages"
[07:39] <macogw> karmelek: in the normal appearances thing
[07:39] <RAOF> harmental: No, they're all bug fixes.  Mostly.
[07:39] <bluecake> macogw, yes, cause on 7.10, sound will freeze up, and end up playing a loop, on a single beat.
[07:39] <karmelek> lets try
[07:40] <harmental> RAOF: all right!
[07:40] <macogw> bluecake: ive never seen that happen, but my sound card has been fairly well supported since feisty
[07:40] <harmental> does anybody know the name for the next release??
[07:40] <macogw> bluecake: i did notice an interesting bug where muting headphones turns off my speakers the other day...but as of updating, i simply have no sound, so that's fun
[07:40] <harmental> (yeah I know.....i'm a bit anxious...)
[07:40] <macogw> harmental: Intrepid Ibex
[07:40] <bluecake> macogw, old ubuntu is ok with my sound. but the last one, sound will freeze up if i go youtube and watch more thna 3 videos
[07:41] <macogw> bluecake: again, ive never had that problem because my sound card has been fairly well supported
[07:42] <macogw> bluecake: you can try the live cd if you want to find out if it works with your sound card
[07:42] <bluecake> macogw, i don't know which server to kill and restart, so i end up using windows or rebooting ubuntu to get sound back
[07:42] <harmental> macogw: coooool
[07:42] <bluecake> s/server/service
[07:43] <macogw> bluecake: i think i'd rmmod the driver and then modprobe it. thats what i always did when my ethernet driver was crap and randomly died
[07:43] <harmental> macogw: these guys will be so pleased http://www.lesmenuires.com/en/index.php
[07:43] <macogw> harmental: er...why?
[07:43] <Fritzel> what would be the best emulator to install xp inside?
[07:43] <bluecake> macogw, ok, will try that on hardy when it comes out. i already wipe out gusty.
[07:44] <harmental> macogw: same animal.....hords of geeks will go skiing just for that.....jejeee...just kiding
[07:44] <macogw> Fritzel: id go with virtualbox because it's FOSS
[07:45] <macogw> bluecake: whyd you already wipe gutsy? still 10 more dys
[07:45] <macogw> *days
[07:45] <RAOF> Fritzel: Depends.  Does your CPU have hardware virtualisation?
[07:45] <Fritzel> I don't know it's a Q6600 I have no idea how to figure that out
[07:46] <gerro> found several ways to fix sound but still don't work on mine
[07:46] <gerro> anyone need help?
[07:46] <bluecake> macogw, i was wiping windows, so, might as well, wipe /dev/sda clean
[07:46] <RAOF> Fritzel: Then you do.
[07:46] <gerro> RAOF: hey sup man
[07:46] <macogw> bluecake: you could install hardy now then and beta test a bit
[07:46] <RAOF> Fritzel: In which case, I'd suggest trying virt-manager.  Nice, simple, fast, and requires no extra kernel modules :)
[07:47] <Fritzel> is it someone userfriendly?
[07:47] <bluecake> macogw, hm.. i suppose i can....
[07:47] <bluecake> macogw, but might as well wait. i have another box running ubuntu remotely
[07:48] <Fritzel> and I'm guessing virtualbox doesn't have those options?
[07:48] <gerro> what is the difference between amixer and alsamixer?
[07:48] <RyanPrior> gerro: lsa
[07:49]  * macogw snorts
[07:49] <Fritzel> someone = somewhat
[07:49] <gerro> RYanPrior: lsa?
[07:49] <gerro> RyanPrior: do you mean asl? lol
[07:50] <gerro> seriously though anyone mind posting me what /etc/group should look like for hardy on a system with working sound?
[07:51] <macogw> gerro: its just plain broken today
[07:52] <gerro> macogw: you mean no one has sound? that's bs
[07:52] <gerro> did they go back a kernel?
[07:53] <gerro> brb
[07:53] <macogw> gerro: no
[07:53] <macogw> im on -16
[07:53] <insomninja> huj
[07:53] <insomninja> meh
[07:53] <macogw> im in the sound group
[07:53] <insomninja> wrong window
[07:55] <karmelek> insomninja: are u from poland?
[07:56] <macogw> karmelek: i dont think that's that kind of j
[07:56] <macogw> karmelek: i think its supposed to say ninja
[08:00] <gerro> ah back tried reboot still no clue
[08:01] <macogw> gerro: that i was in the sound group was the first thing i checked.  that has nothing to do with it
[08:01] <macogw> and im using -16
[08:02] <gerro> oh
[08:02] <gerro> well why am I getting error with alsamixer and pulseaudio? is it apparmor?
[08:03] <macogw> gerro: the error i get clicking on the gnome mixer is that there are no sound devices in existence on my computer. thats also what the sound preferences thing tells me.
[08:03] <gerro> I havesound devices
[08:03] <gerro> and the module executes fine
[08:03] <macogw> oh ok
[08:03] <gerro> its just not working
[08:04] <macogw> well im going to go study processor design
[08:04] <gerro> wait
[08:04] <macogw> because i have n exam on it in8 hours
[08:04] <macogw> and i need to sleep between now and then
[08:04] <gerro> do you have an option of surround under preferences?
[08:04] <karmelek> macogw: i had it yesterday
[08:04] <gerro> someone said they needed that checked
[08:04] <macogw> gerro: i cant.  how can i have surround with no audio card?
[08:05] <gerro> ok well do you know what module it is that's messing up?
[08:05] <macogw> my computer claims it is completely *incapable* of generating any sounds whatsoever
[08:05] <macogw> that depends entirely on what sound card you have
[08:05] <karmelek> you have to choose alsa in system sound preferences
[08:05] <gerro> macogw: is it unclaimed or disabled under lshw?
[08:06] <gerro> karmelek umm cli plz
[08:06] <DanaG> Processor design?  Cool.
[08:06] <DanaG> I'm a (third-year) Computer Engineering student at Cal Poly, myself.
[08:06] <macogw> gerro: yes, as is my video card (which works) and my wireless card
[08:07] <macogw> DanaG: its computer architectures 2. we just happen to have an exam on how to build ALUs and how to implement the MIPS ISA in hardware tomorrow
[08:07] <gerro> macogw: they're disabled and unclaimed?
[08:07] <macogw> gerro: theyre unclaimed
[08:07] <karmelek> gerro: what do u mean? i don't know English very well
[08:07] <macogw> my screen is unclaimed as well
[08:07] <DanaG> We did it in software in my class.
[08:07] <gerro> karmelek command to do that
[08:07] <DanaG> But we did a previous "simple 4-bit computer" in a previous class.
[08:08] <karmelek> gerro: don't remember - in gnome it is under Preferences
[08:08] <macogw> DanaG: no verilog on this exam unfortunately. as a cs student, vhdl is preferred a lot over draw-the-gates
[08:08] <karmelek> gerro: alsamixed detects your card?
[08:08] <DanaG> VHDL is a pain.  Whoever thought of using those **** arrows seriously needs a slap on the face.
[08:09] <gerro> yes everything is detected fine
[08:09] <macogw> DanaG: arrows? maybe im confused. i thought verilog and vhdl were teh same...i dont recall arrows in verilog
[08:09] <gerro> when I click the panel speaker icon and choose file then options nothing will checkmark there
[08:10] <DanaG> We used vhdl.
[08:10] <DanaG> For the 4-bit thingy, that is.
[08:10] <macogw> DanaG: oh i thought they were the same thing. maybe they're not.  signs i need to go study....
[08:10] <DanaG> I've never seen verilog, myself.
[08:11] <gerro> pulseaudio supports sound over the network right so do I even need working sound on this system to use ubuntu 7.10 sound on a different system!?
[08:11] <gerro> wait no that probably won't work
[08:11] <DanaG> You can play to a different computer if you copy .pulse-cookie from one to the other.
[08:12] <gerro> oh
[08:12] <DanaG> Use paprefs to enable networked usage.
[08:12] <macogw> DanaG: oh ok. the v in vhdl isnt verilog...its like vhsic or something. ok. well here, google says to look at this: http://www.asic-world.com/verilog/veritut.html
[08:13] <DanaG> Or use padevchooser to set default server to the other computer.
[08:13] <gerro> acpi -t doesn't work anymore for me :(
[08:17] <DanaG> Oh wow, Verilog looks _sane_ -- notation is more like C.
[08:19] <DanaG> Anyway, I think I should go to bed now.
[08:19] <DanaG> Tue Apr 15 00:19:56 PDT 2008
[08:20] <gerro> anyone know what this dmesg part might mean? http://pastebin.com/m43517445 I think its similar to bug #211644
[08:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211644 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "[hardy] Sound card hda Intel doesn't work with kernel 2.6.24 series" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211644
[08:22] <Fritzel> do you think I could get enough speed out of virtual box running vista to play warcraft III? wine just simply isn't reliable for saving
[08:23] <Fritzel> s/vista/xp/
[08:23] <gerro> Fritzel: no direct rendering
[08:23] <Fritzel> old game
[08:23] <gerro> isn't that old lol
[08:23] <Fritzel> it is for Quad core 2 with 4gb of ram
[08:23] <gerro> dude it don't matter if you can't direct render the graphics
[08:24] <Fritzel> can't at all?
[08:24] <DanaG> WC3 is a 3D game of some sort.  VBox does not do 3D.  Period.
[08:24] <gerro> try a different wine guide maybe? I had it going well before
[08:24] <DanaG> In fact, even Microsoft Virtual PC (emulates S3 Trio) is better.
[08:24] <Fritzel> it works fine, and it saves most of the time
[08:24] <Fritzel> it just doesn't save all the tiem
[08:24] <Fritzel> and when it fails the save it crashes
[08:24] <Fritzel> which isn't playable
[08:25] <gerro> DanaG: I still like that seamless mode virtualbox has
[08:25] <DanaG> I have a DirectX 3.0 game (SimCopter) that only works properly in a W98 VM in MS Virtual PC, WITH the host CPU throttled to 300MHz (yes, throttled, not just speedstep'd).
[08:26] <Fritzel> ok well is there any virtual-box like program that does allow direct rendering via drivers or something
[08:26] <gerro> DanaG: wow.. even oldest system I have at least has 400mhz
[08:27] <gerro> Fritzel: what wine version you using anyway?
[08:27] <Fritzel> .59
[08:27] <Fritzel> I update several times a day I'm alwasy current
[08:27] <gerro> Fritzel: grab an older copy like the appdb says and custom compile it don't install system wide though specify where in ./configure
[08:28] <DanaG> By "Host CPU" I mean my Core Duo 1.83GHz.
[08:28] <DanaG> Using RMClock, I set it to run 1GHz, and throttle to making 2/3 of cycles be NOP.
[08:28] <gerro> Fritzel: did you patch the game up too?
[08:29] <Fritzel> Yep current as of yesterday
[08:30] <Fritzel> there is a saving bug on appdb, it's not just me, which is why I wanted to try the full emulation route
[08:31] <gerro> ahah I found a fix for sound!
[08:32] <gerro> Fritzel: or perhaps a way to save state for wine thereby bypassing the need for a game save
[08:32] <gerro> Fritzel: like normal emulaters do
[08:33] <Fritzel> I don't think that'd work, wine doesn't really emulate, it translates
[08:34] <RAOF> Or even implements, in roughly the same way Windows does.
[08:37] <Wobbo> my webcam is built in up-side-down in my laptop, is there any way of configuring v4l to correct this?
[08:38] <Fritzel> wow someone was asleep that evening
[08:38] <gerro> pulseaudio -vv explains a lot
[08:38] <Wobbo> this is not really a hardy question but i am on hardy atm
[08:46] <gerro> Wobbo: you might be able to pipe the webcam input through imagemagick and run a flip for it but probably best to look for faster method
[08:48] <Wobbo> gerro, kinda like the early skype webcam pipe for non supported webcams
[08:49] <gerro> umm no clue
[08:49] <robin92> Hello, I have a problem to install jeos-8.04-beta on vmware, can u help me??
[08:49] <gerro> jeos?
[08:49] <gumby600m> Anyone know when Hardy is supposed to come out (i.e. something like "days" or "weeks" is what I'm looking for here)
[08:49] <DanaG> ﻿oh hey, for the rotated camera:
[08:49] <gerro> robin92: dude its called hardy..
[08:49] <_ruben> robin92: whats the problem?
[08:49] <DanaG> gstreamer-properties
[08:49] <topyli> gumby600m: 24th this month
[08:49] <orvokki> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[08:50] <DanaG> Perhaps you can set a custom "pipeline" -- but I don't have a clue how to do it.
[08:50] <_ruben> gerro: jeos is a stripped down version designed for use in virtualization products, like vmware
[08:50] <_ruben> just enough os
[08:50] <pheld> Wobbo: what kind of webcam? Some drivers like uvcvideo do handle flip within the driver. Check module options for your driver
[08:50] <gumby600m> topyli, orvokki:  thanks!
[08:50] <robin92> The installation can't install "GRUB" (Sorry for my very bad english)
[08:50] <gumby600m> l8r sk8rs
[08:50] <gerro> _ruben: ah ok
[08:50]  * orvokki is excited at the RC being out in a few days
[08:50] <DanaG> Sounds like physical rotate, not logical mirror.
[08:51] <gerro> wow 9 days until release? aren't they going to push it back?
[08:52] <DanaG> Time for me to go to bed.
[08:52] <DanaG> Tue Apr 15 00:52:04 PDT 2008
[08:52] <orvokki> The next stage isn't release anyway, it's release candidate.
[08:52] <RAOF> gerro: No current plans, no.  Why?
[08:52] <gerro> oh ok
[08:52] <gerro> just it seems so unstable compared to gutsy's release
[08:53] <_ruben> robin92: strange, did you do some odd partitioning or smth?
[08:53] <orvokki> Hmm? I haven't really noticed it being unstable.
[08:53] <orvokki> gerro: Have you been reporting bugs actively on your issues?
[08:53] <gerro> nah most them already reported
[08:54] <gerro> most just getting "undecided" or "low" priority :/
[08:54] <robin92> _ruben-> no I have just enstalled the cd an do OK, OK, OK
[08:55] <robin92> _ruben-> no I have just installed the cd and do OK, OK, OK
[08:56] <_ruben> robin92: odd, i did a rather basic jeos install the other day and it went without any problems
[08:57] <Wobbo> pheld: i am having trouble finding the driver my webcam is using
[08:58] <pheld> ﻿Wobbo: start with lsusb and see if you can identify the cam there. Most cams, even those built-into laptops are usbcams
[08:58] <robin92> nobody knows why I have this problem?
[08:59] <robin92> When I installed "jeos-8.04-beta" on vmware, the cd can't install GRUB
[09:00] <Wobbo> yes that i found
[09:01] <pheld> ﻿Wobbo: it should be possible to identify the driver from the camera's usb:id
[09:03] <Wobbo> thanks, i found it lsmod showed me its an uvcvideo
[09:06] <Fritzel> ok I'm watching a youtube video on the virtualbox after installing the virtualbox drivers and I'm getting a better framerate than I did in xp native
[09:06] <Fritzel> so I don't know Warcraft might be an option
[09:07] <robin92> I try to insrt
[09:07] <Fritzel> I can't try it though till I finish installing 98 on another box heh
[09:08] <robin92> I try to installed "jeos-8.04-beta" on vmware, but during the installation, a message appear to saiy that he can  not install GRUB, can you help me? please
[09:15] <robin92> _ruben, wich version of VMWare were you using? I tried on VMware GSX Server and the live CD does not even load. I tried on VMware ESX server and grub can't install.
[09:17] <robin92> concerning the install of jeos under vmware server maybe I should ask on another channel, either #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu-virt
[09:25] <_ruben> robin92: i used vmware server 1.0.4
[09:26] <pheld> ﻿Wobbo: don't think the uvcvideo-module has options to flip the image. It is however possible to build a patched driver that overrides the behaviour for specific devices. See http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-289836.html (search for 'flip')
[09:28] <Wobbo> pheld: thanks man!
[09:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all, I am having big troubles with intel wifi under hardy
[09:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if I use my home router (seems like because I go 802.11b) transfer rate drops doooooown
[09:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Bug #176271
[09:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176271 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "major throughput difference (between upload and download) when using iwl3945" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176271
[09:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> somebody knows a solution or experienced this problem?
[09:31] <RAOF> Le-Chuck_ITA: Install the linux-backports-modules package; you get a newer version of iwl which works better.
[09:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> RAOF: I did that
[09:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I even installed the compat-wireless drivers from their website
[09:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> RAOF: sometimes it works fast but more often it becomes unbearable
[09:32] <robin92> _ruben, I used VMware ESX Server Version 3.5.0 and VMware GSX Server Version 2.4.21
[09:33] <_ruben> robin92: ive heard ppl installing it on esx without problems, not sure if that was 3.5 tho, might've been 3.0.1 or so
[09:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> here I am again
[09:37] <portablejim> Does Hardy Have the latest Firefox 3? Will it keep pace with Firefox 3 development (within reason)? Or is this the wrong thread for these questions?
[09:38] <pheld> ﻿Wobbo: more in http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-561433.html
[09:38] <macogw> portablejim: yes, i believe so
[09:39] <corinth> portablejim: The Hardy Beta ships with Firefox 3 beta 5
[09:40] <pheld> ﻿portablejim: firefox and tunderbird are among the few applications in ubuntu which are more or less syncronised to upstream versions, even between ubuntu-releases
[09:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> nobody else has troubles with iwlwifi and 802.11b
[09:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[09:45] <topyli> portablejim: i would think it will be updated to 3.0 final once it's out, but no further unless there are security fixes that cannot be backported to 3.0
[09:45] <topyli> as a rule, stable releases will have the same software forever
[09:46] <pheld> ﻿topyli: that would be a significant change from how 2.0.0.x has been handled
[09:46] <topyli> pheld: oh. so 2.0 has been updated to new upstream versions routinely?
[09:47] <topyli> what a strange policy
[09:47] <portablejim> and that's why it is harder to get FF3 on Gutsy??
[09:47] <pheld> ﻿topyli: just saying that FF and TB don't follow the same pattern as most other packages
[09:47] <topyli> it's not hard at all portablejim, you can download it from mozilla and install
[09:48] <orvokki> Also you can use community repositores and install it with aptitude.
[09:48] <orvokki> I've heard there exists a Gutsy package for it.
[09:48] <topyli> pheld: i guess security fixes are more difficult to backport with mozilla stuff then
[09:49] <topyli> adding new functionality and new bugs to a stable system seems very strange to me
[09:49] <portablejim> please note that I used the word harder.
[09:51] <portablejim> Thanks for the info. I look forward for the final release.
[09:58] <yacc> How do I prevent the "autorun" on AudioCDs?
[09:59] <DarkMageZ> yacc, possibly system > preferences > preferred applications. > multimedia.
[10:00] <yacc> DarkMageZ: That only allows to select me totem or rhythmbox
[10:00] <DarkMageZ> yacc, and custom ッ throw in no command
[10:00] <yacc> DarkMageZ: The problem is that I want to rip a stack of CDs and rythmbox is rather slow at ripping.
[10:01] <yacc> DarkMageZ: Hope that was it :)
[10:01] <DarkMageZ> there's a reason some programs are slower at ripping than others. tho in some cases, some programs are just crap.
[10:02] <DarkMageZ> some programs throw in error detection & correction, others throw in heavy weight encoders.
[10:04] <bennyf11> hello having issue with broadcom wifi, please assist
[10:04] <robin92> Hello! I try to installed "jeos-8.04-beta" on vmware GSX, but during the installation, a message appear to say that he can not install GRUB, can you help me? please I ask my question on several chanel because I need an answer quickly
[10:05] <robin92> not GSX but ESX
[10:05] <yacc> DarkMageZ: yeah, but Sound Juicer seems to work fine for me scratchy collection ;)
[10:06] <yacc> DarkMageZ: And rhythmbox is underwhelming, e.g. I did not manage to make it play online radio streams (neither WMA nor naked MP3 streams), that totem plays fine ;(
[10:07] <topyli> sounds like you have a different rhythmbox than i :)
[10:08] <yacc> topyli: uptodate hardy.
[10:08] <DarkMageZ> yacc, the rhythmbox developers are awake. you can jab them with a pen in irc.gnome.org #rhythmbox ッ
[10:08] <bennyf11> anyone having issues with broadcom wireless pci card
[10:09] <yacc> topyli: not that it does not look nice, but it claims a data error, e.g. mms://gcssrv.pkf.speednet.at/WSX/oe3_live
[10:10] <topyli> yacc: plays just fine
[10:10] <topyli> the music is terrible though :)
[10:11] <yacc> :-P
[10:11] <bennyf11> anyone able to help with a wifi issue, broadcom wifi pci card
[10:12] <pheld> ﻿DarkMageZ: application (or none) for removable devices are now set in nautilus preferences
[10:12] <yacc> Still that leaves the question how to make rhythmbox ignore the CD drive?
[10:13] <topyli> indeed
[10:13] <DarkMageZ> pheld, ah. that's new. is that new in 2.22 has it been there for longer?
[10:14] <pheld> new in 2.22 afik
[10:14] <topyli> ooh new "Media" tab
[10:14] <DarkMageZ> yacc, they're awake. they just don't watch the channel all the time. they'll see your message eventually.
[10:14] <pheld> yacc: stop rb if you don't want it to poll the cd ;)
[10:15] <yacc> pheld: that stops it playing the music too?
[10:18] <pheld> yacc: so you want rb to play music while ripping with another app?  You could try to turn off the audiocd plugin in rh via gconf-editior, but this is hightly unsupported territory
[10:19] <yacc> gconf-editor ;) Doesn't that sound like registry hacking to me?
[10:20] <pheld> yacc: sure (not my favorite part of gnome)
[10:25] <yacc> pheld: ;(
[10:25] <playya> where are the gnome logs?
[10:25] <yacc> pheld: it also sucks that one seems to need to look through HTML code to find stream urls to add to RB.
[10:27] <pen_> is there a way to change the encoding of a filename?
[10:31] <topyli> playya: gnome as such has no logs
[10:32] <topyli> playya: apps keep logs when necessary
[10:32] <playya> ok
[10:32] <ccooke> Hmm
[10:33] <playya> gdm shows no errors but my gnome panel doesn't start
[10:33]  * ccooke just installed Hardy on his Work desktop (been running it on a laptop at home for a while)
[10:33] <topyli> playya: try ~/.xsession-errors
[10:33] <ccooke> I don't see the screens and graphics configuration applet - has it been removed?
[10:33] <Amaranth> yes
[10:33] <playya> and i cannot start anything
[10:33] <Amaranth> it was pretty horribly broken
[10:33] <ccooke> Ah. No replacement?
[10:33] <playya> tried it with /exec out of xchat
[10:33] <Amaranth> ccooke: replacement is Screen Resolution
[10:34] <Amaranth> assuming you're not using nvidia or fglrx
[10:34] <ccooke> *ah* :-)
[10:34] <Amaranth> for those use nvidia-settings and catalyst control
[10:34] <ccooke> and if you are?
[10:34] <ccooke> Okay, great. Thanks!
[10:34] <topyli> playya: alt-f2
[10:35] <Amaranth> ccooke: using the screens and graphics tool to, for example, enable multihead on nvidia would break compiz
[10:35] <Amaranth> the method it used to setup multihead is broken in nvidia and deprecated and/or unsupported in open source drivers
[10:36] <playya> topyli, nope. nothing starts
[10:36] <ccooke> yeah, it was... ugly.
[10:36] <topyli> playya: get a console then, see what your .xsession-errors has
[10:36] <playya> i have set the circular menu on alt+f3. it starts but can't start anything
[10:36] <ccooke> hmm. If this is the case, shouldn't fglrx-control be installed by the restricted driver manager, then?
[10:41] <nathan_> Guys, it seems avahi is messing things up, can I safely remove it? I see it had a dependency to ubuntu-desktop, which would be removed too
[10:41] <yacc> pheld: any hints how to make rb really look for new mp3 in the ~/Musik folder and subfolders? (Not sure if I'm again doing something wrong, but just clicking on the checkbox to watch for new files seems not work as advertised for me :(( )
[10:49] <_Rambaldi_> i tried installing vmware player, but i hit a snag, it saids there is a not prebuilt modules for my kernel
[10:51] <aLone> hy, i need bugs, if u have, pm me, thx friend
[10:51] <_Rambaldi_> huh
[10:53] <playya> hi again
[10:53] <playya> how can i create a default gtkrc-2.0?
[10:57] <_Rambaldi_> this place is dead, no one is awake
[11:00]  * tanner should be asleep
[11:00] <tanner> but cannot stop playing with Cisco Call manager :(
[11:11] <ccooke> heh. It seems I have accidentally enabled anti-aliasing on my main desktop. That looks... *wrong*
[11:16] <ccooke> ... and there doesn't appear to be a way to disable it again? Argh!
[11:19] <cwillu> ccooke, appearance, turn off the font smoothing?
[11:19] <cwillu> or did you mean something else?
[11:21] <tanner> wtf is *.sgn :-\
[11:25] <pheld> yacc: "watch my library for new files" works here. New and removed files are detected. It does happen somtimes that I get extra bogus entries if I move files around manually and/or rename tracks, but those are easily removed from the list.
[11:27] <yacc> pheld: how do you rename doubles?
[11:29] <nathan_> Can someone tell me how to get rid of avahi or disable it?
[11:29] <pheld> yacc: when I find duplicates I just click to play to fid out which one is bogus, and choose remove from the music browser window
[11:32] <yacc> pheld: well I managed to create doubles to point to the same file, I wondered if there is an automatic way to do this :)
[11:32] <yacc> Which opens the question where rb stores it's catalog, ...
[11:33] <pheld> ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox
[11:33] <negge> I'm going to reinstall hardy today when i get home, I copied my home folder to a safe place
[11:34] <negge> when I've finished reinstalling, is it safe to restore the home folder or can something get screwed up?
[11:41] <pheld> negge: avoid restoration of hidden files and directories in your homedir if you want to make sure all applications keep their default behaviour after reinstall. And correct owner/group on restored files if the uid/gid for your account has changed after reinstall.
[11:41] <oeriksen> I just did 'update-manager -d' and at the release notes it says "THIS IS A RELEASE CANDIDATE". Is the RC released? Thought that wasn't until thursday...
[11:42] <negge> pheld: I will be using the same username as before
[11:42] <negge> I'll keep the backups just in case, I don't have many programs installed so reconfiguring them all won't take long anyway
[11:43] <pheld> negge: the username doesn't really matter - it is just a string that is displayed. UID and GID is what counts in the filesystem
[11:48] <ccooke> ... This is really odd.
[11:48] <ccooke> Suddenly, all my fonts are blurry. Nothing obvious seems to fix it.
[11:49] <crimsun> vladi_: if you're referring to the usage of ufw, see the contents of /var/lib/ufw/
[11:51] <ccooke> ah ha!
[11:52] <ccooke> ... Setting compiz' quality to 'Good' or 'Best' gets me blurry text.
[11:52] <ccooke> so, it *is* AA
[11:52] <ttkeppi> anyone know if there will be a proper driver for via chrome9 / P4M900? Tried openchrome with bad results..and seems like there is no restricted drivers available.
[11:54] <vladi_> crimsun: is there a simple way to switch on logging of all iptables events?
[12:09] <askand> Am I the only one getting very few updates?
[12:17] <vladi_> I've update more than a dozen packets today. It depends on the number of installed packages and how often you do it..:-)
[12:42] <decay> after some compiz updates yesterday, my borders aren't showing. any thoughts?
[12:43] <BonezAU> evening all
[12:45] <yacc> decay: stop toying around metacity is enough too :-P
[12:46] <decay> yacc: :P
[12:47] <Dr_willis> seems there were quite a few updates for compiz and X just now when i updated
[12:47] <Derspankster> decay: You could try to add these two lines to your xorg.conf, backup first, Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[12:47] <Derspankster> Option "DisableGLXRootClipping" "True"
[12:47] <zniavre> http://www.hostingpics.net/pics/28303hardy.jpg >how to modify the ccsm button please?
[12:47] <zniavre> oops wrong place sorry i believed i was in gnome-artr
[12:49] <decay> Derspankster: which section do i add that to
[12:51] <BonezAU> yay kernel 16
[12:51] <Derspankster> decay: in the Screens section. Back-up first please. I can't guarantee this will work.
[12:56] <Derspankster> decay; did you give it a go?
[12:58] <_Rambaldi_> how do i access my usb drive in vbox,
[12:58] <Dr_willis> I think you need the virtual box from the web site.
[12:59] <Dr_willis> i belive it got mentioned yesterday in here. that vbox cant access usb devices in the free version.. but then someone said the latest on the web site for vbox did allow it.
[12:59] <Dr_willis> but i dont know that for a fact.
[13:00] <_Rambaldi_> Dr_willis, i have the non-free version, and i can select usb device but it still does not show in my computer
[13:02] <Dr_willis> try the one from the web site then.
[13:02] <Dr_willis> it might be enabled now.. then again.. it may be alimitation in the free version
[13:04] <jepler> I would expect 'shared folders' to work equally for USB and non-USB devices
[13:04] <_Rambaldi_> the one i have is from the website, there was not one for hardy so i dl the gutsy non-free Dr_willis
[13:07] <jepler> but does anyone know why I can't boot 64-bit Ubuntu 8.04 inside openbox-ose running on 64-bit Ubuntu 8.04?  After finishing the boot screen, it says "This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU".  Are amd64 guests also not in the free edition, or is there some setting I haven't found yet?
[13:07] <Dr_willis> I just use samba, and copy things over to my local machine.
[13:07] <Dr_willis> jepler,   i would not be suprised at that limitation. But i dont use vbox for muh other then testing live cd iso images
[13:08] <jepler> Dr_willis: same here, as well as sometimes checking correct package dependencies.  but I am going to do it for a 64-bit install as well..
[13:14] <jepler> oh, I guess it supports 64-bit hosts, not 64-bit guests..
[13:16] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. everytime i boot this pc. with my external usb hd attatched it makes a HitachiData/  HitachiData_/  HitachiData__/  and so on dir in /media. :) every new boot makes a new one with one more _
[13:16] <Dr_willis> How... weird
[13:21] <whitehawk> re
[13:22] <Dr_willis> re?
[13:22] <Lamego> join #ubuntu-dev
[13:22] <Lamego> ops
[13:40] <cwillu> Dr_willis, comes from the drive not being unmounted
[13:40] <cwillu> Dr_willis, not sure if they're fixing it
[13:42] <Dr_willis> so every crash it does it. :) heh..
[13:42] <Dr_willis> well night all
[13:50] <Asashi> Guys, i have a problem. I'm under Hardy, and have installed the fglrx driver throught the restricted drivers manager. Everytime i enable compiz, i get a white screen. When i try to detect the fglrx driver with fglrxinfo command, the console says that i'm using a MESA driver. Checked xorg.conf, but it says that i'm using fglrx. What's going on, and how can i resolve this?
[13:55] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone getting random freezes since the last updates?
[13:59] <nickrud> Asashi you still here?
[14:00] <Asashi> Sure, i'm here
[14:00] <nickrud> did you try installing the driver from ati before you used the restricted manager?
[14:01] <Asashi> Yep, trough Envy NG
[14:01] <Asashi> But didn't tried the manual install yet
[14:01] <nickrud> Asashi bummer.
[14:02] <nickrud> did you try uninstalling it with ng?
[14:02] <nickrud> before you did the restricted manager?
[14:04] <Asashi> Yes, i wasn't using fglrx in gutsy, before upgrading to hardy. First i installed with envy ng, the installation was sucessful, but i got a white screen when enabling compiz. Then, i uninstalled through envy ng, rebooted and tried to install through restricted drivers manager
[14:04] <Asashi> And got the same white screen when enabling compiz
[14:04] <nathan_> Guys, any idea why usb devices are not recognized?
[14:04] <nathan_> neither my WD passport ext drive nor a USB stick get picked up or shown by lsusb
[14:05] <Sergeant_Pony> works here...
[14:06] <nickrud> Asashi try reinstalling the libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx packages
[14:06] <Asashi> Okie. Reboot after installing?
[14:06] <nickrud> shouldn't be necessary, but couldn't hurt. Try logging out and back in first.
[14:06] <Asashi> okie
[14:06] <bewst> Is ubuntu planning to release another beta in light of the fact that grub-install fails with the latest one?
[14:07] <Amaranth> We'll have a RC soonish
[14:07] <Amaranth> Probably Friday
[14:08] <nathan_> any tools/apps/mods I need for usb to work?
[14:08] <Amaranth> no
[14:09] <savvas> hehehe
[14:09] <bews1> An RC might be a little too close to frozen
[14:09] <nathan_> hmm, usb works with some livecd's, so it must be related to this ubuntu installation
[14:09] <Asashi> nickrud, fglrxinfo still says that i'm using mesa indirect. There's a way to force fglrx?
[14:10] <savvas> I just wish they'd resolve that issue with the "broken" titlebar and compiz
[14:10] <nickrud> Asashi this is afer a reboot? You might have module mismatch, and that's the simplest way to reset that
[14:11] <_Rambaldi_> i finally found way to transfer files from my vbox, thanks to all those who helped
[14:11] <Asashi> Well, let's try the reboot
[14:11] <Asashi> brb
[14:11] <nickrud> Asashi if you still have problems, try #compiz they are experts at compiz
[14:11] <savvas> _Rambaldi_: the manual has everything you need for such stuff
[14:15] <hischild> Am i correct when assuming that vmware won't properly run with hardy? I'm having trouble getting it to work.
[14:17] <savvas> hischild: i think they don't support hardy yet
[14:17] <hischild> savvas, i think it's more the kernel. Even better, i'm fairly sure when i revert to an older kernel it'll work. But i just don't like to reboot to my old one again
[14:18] <savvas> you mean kernel headers for vmware?
[14:18] <_Rambaldi_> i couldnot get vmware to run as well vmon modules not found blah..
[14:18] <afflux> huh, I've a kernel module to insert (something.mod.o), but modprobe can't find it (propably because it's not .ko). Is there a way to make a real module from it?
[14:18] <hischild> savvas, sort of. When running an older kernel, it'll use that kernel header files which are compatible
[14:18] <hischild> afflux, what module?
[14:19] <hischild> savvas, also, i found a topic claiming it has a way it works. Checking it now.
[14:19] <afflux> hischild: hm, a rather old ath_hal. I just noticed that something seems to be missing, will try re-installing (not hardy)
[14:20] <hischild> afflux, heh don't bother to reinstall, fixing is usually easier. You're talking about madwifi?
[14:20] <afflux> yes
[14:20] <savvas> hischild: good luck, i made the switch to virtualbox some months ago :)
[14:20] <afflux> hischild: the one from linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic, somehow the .ko file does not seem to be on the disk.
[14:21] <hischild> savvas, i need the proper host-router way that vmware does, with assigning the correct ip's and stuff. Virtualbox always seems to go to the 10.0.*.* range
[14:21] <hischild> afflux, i'm fairly sure you could just mount it with modprobe then.
[14:21] <savvas> bummer :\
[14:21] <afflux> hischild: oh, wait. I misread something. looking at http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/i386/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic/filelist I don't find any .ko file for it
[14:22] <hischild> savvas, on the other hand ... do you happen to have experience with kvm? from what i've read it seems fairly promising
[14:23] <hischild> afflux, misreading happens.
[14:24] <savvas> hischild: nope, I just needed something to periodically check out some documents I convert to ms office format
[14:24] <savvas> ..and well ok, maybe play around with other distros :)
[14:25] <hischild> savvas, who me? no way, i'm much to addicted to ubuntu already
[14:25] <MTecknology> hey... ubuntu isn't telling me how much power i have left anymore......
[14:25] <hischild> MTecknology, what does acpi give you when executed on command line?
[14:26] <MTecknology> nothing
[14:26] <zero> hi can any on ehelp me we nvidia display problem ?
[14:26] <hischild> zero, define display problem and we may
[14:27] <savvas> MTecknology: apt-cache policy gnome-power-manager
[14:27] <savvas> !pastebin | MTecknology
[14:27] <ubotu> MTecknology: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[14:28] <MTecknology> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63307/
[14:29] <MTecknology> I won't have time to reinstall and test an earlier version now if you want me to... but I could install an earlier version now
[14:29] <zero> well i install the nvidia driver but now i'm stuck at 640x480
[14:30] <_Rambaldi_> is it possible to save the window size of various nautilus windows?
[14:30] <Ayabara> I'm trying out Hardy with KDE4 on my laptop, and I'm quite pleased. The only problem is that the multimedia keys don't work. Anyone know how I can fix that?
[14:30] <savvas> MTecknology: just checking if you were up to date with a good server, other than that, I'm out of ideas :)
[14:31] <savvas> MTecknology: did you reboot or restart gnome after the last set of updates?
[14:31] <MTecknology> yup
[14:31] <MTecknology> I also get this "fatal: sonypi module not found" - but that's been since i got this system
[14:32] <savvas> MTecknology: acpi -V
[14:32] <MTecknology> savvas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63309/
[14:33] <joker2048_> hi, any idea here regarding the openVZ support in the upcoming ubuntu version? Will there be packages available?
[14:33] <joker2048_> or a hint where i can find such a information?
[14:33] <savvas> MTecknology: it is weird, try search for a bug about it or file a new one
[14:35] <MTecknology> too bad I can't install sonypi through synaptic...
[14:36] <ampex> joker2048_: I believe there already is a package available, but I get the sense that it has problems
[14:36] <ampex> joker2048_: there is heavy development on the 2.6.24 based openvz kernel right now, and the ubuntu package is a bit out of date I believe
[14:37] <ampex> joker2048_: if you want to play with it on hardy, I'd recommend just downloading the patches to the vanilla 2.6.24 kernel and compiling your own
[14:37] <MTecknology> o... sonypi is supposed to be in the kernel
[14:38] <joker2048_> ampex: : thx, i'am new to ubuntu. where do I find such information?
[14:39] <savvas> MTecknology: 32-bit or 64-bit ubuntu version?
[14:39] <ampex> joker2048_: http://wiki.openvz.org/Download/kernel/2.6.24/2.6.24-ovz004.1
[14:39] <ampex> joker2048_: or join #openvz
[14:39] <MTecknology> savvas, 64
[14:40] <joker2048_> ampex: : y, but I meant regarding the packages inside ubuntu
[14:40] <MTecknology> modprobe sony-laptop works
[14:40] <joker2048_> ampex: : openvz is not new for me... :-) Just the ubuntu 'dimension'
[14:40] <ampex> joker2048_: the packages inside of ubuntu are out of date and probably buggy
[14:40] <ampex> joker2048_: I wouldn't recommend the 2.6.24 branch of openvz right now regardless, it is still in development
[14:41] <savvas> MTecknology: http://pastebin.ca/raw/986006 it looks like the source is there.. but not compiled?
[14:41] <joker2048_> ampex: : any idea 'how' buggy? which version?
[14:41] <ampex> joker2048_: not sure, but I know they are a few versions behind, and some large bugs have been fixed recently
[14:41] <ampex> joker2048_: if you want to use openvz on 8.04, you're best off compiling your own kernel
[14:42] <ampex> joker2048_: at least right now
[14:42] <joker2048_> ampex: : hm ok, after mastering gentoo compiling a new kernel for ubuntu shouldn be a problem..., thx ampex
[14:42] <ampex> joker2048_: http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[14:43] <joker2048_> ampex: : y, just found this link via google :-)
[14:43] <MTecknology> savvas, http://pastebin.ca/raw/986011 <- mine
[14:44] <MTecknology> savvas, so... I'll need to figure out how to compile it and things should start working?
[14:45] <savvas> MTecknology: maybe, i'm not an expert :) there's always module-assistant command to help you out during the compiling
[14:46] <MTecknology> savvas, eh... will I need to recompile the kernel?
[14:47] <MTecknology> or just the module?
[14:48] <MTecknology> savvas, leave me a memo please, I'm about to go give blood
[14:53] <bazzawill> I'm not sure if I should be posting here but as I am running hardy we will try here first
[14:54] <bazzawill> I am trying to get firefox to use the tilt function on my mousewheel to go back do horizontal scroll instead of back and forward (well actually just back it doesn't do forward
[14:54] <bazzawill> I have seen some guides and as far as I can tell as the tilt function is working I have skipped any xorg hacking
[14:55] <bazzawill> and firefox appears to be setup correctly in about:config
[14:57] <jf> Hm, hardy locks up if wireless connection is lost with my intel 4965.
[14:58] <jaffarkelshac> is it possible to write a script to run at intervals?
[14:58] <ampex> cron
[14:58] <ampex> or using sleep in the script itself
[14:58] <ampex> what sort of intervals?
[14:59] <ttkeppi> is there some solution to getting mouse middle button to work.. holding the mousewheel down and moving mouse up or down should scroll the webpage in firefox
[15:00] <bjwebb> ttkeppi: have you changed the autoscroll setting?
[15:00] <jaffarkelshac> ampex, i want a to screen capture using scrot
[15:01] <ampex> jaffarkelshac: how often?
[15:01] <bazzawill> ok thats helps but actually I also want to stop the back behavior as I use middle mouse to open links in new tabs but I have a tendancy to tilt when clicking middle which takes me back which is annoying
[15:02] <jaffarkelshac> every 30 secs,  ampex
[15:04] <ttkeppi> bjwebb: can't find autoscroll option from system - settings - mouse... or from xorg.conf.. normal wheel scrolling works
[15:04] <ampex> jaffarkelshac: you can use cron to run a script every minute, but not shorter intervals than that
[15:04] <bjwebb> ttkeppi: theres an option in firefox
[15:04] <annimar> when I install hardy beta now. Will I be able to get the final version simply by using the updater or will I have to reinstall the whole system?
[15:05] <ampex> jaffarkelshac: otherwise, you'd have to just write a script that sleeps for 30 seconds and issues your screen capture in a loop
[15:05] <jaffarkelshac> i am reading about scripting and i think i might be able to do this i will get back to you when i learn this
[15:06] <ttkeppi> bjwebb: thank you! found it. wonder why that was disabled as default..
[15:06] <bjwebb> ttkeppi: i dunno, it always is disabled
[15:07] <bjwebb> i think the logic must be that it will confuse some people
[15:08] <ttkeppi> that's odd, because in windblows it's turned on by default.. i think i've had that problem since 6.06LTS ...thanks once again :)
[15:11] <bjwebb> my cd drive isn't working in ubuntu hardy
[15:12] <mheath> bjwebb: so you put in a CD and you get no icon on your desktop?
[15:12] <bjwebb> exactly
[15:13] <bjwebb> but mount /media/cdrom0
[15:13] <bjwebb> gives: mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist
[15:13] <bjwebb> which doesn't sound too good
[15:13] <mheath> Hmm
[15:13] <mheath> What kind of CD-ROM drive do you have?
[15:13] <mheath> Is it just a standard ATA or SATA drive?
[15:13] <bjwebb> cd/dvd rw
[15:13] <bjwebb> built in
[15:14] <mheath> Oh, laptop?
[15:15] <bjwebb> no, pc
[15:15] <bjwebb> i just mean part of the unit rather than usb one
[15:16] <jaffarkelshac> i need some scripting help, how do echo a command that will run from a script, so far "echo scrot" just echos the word no command is run
[15:16] <mheath> bjwebb: OK, first things first - is your system fully up to date?
[15:16] <bjwebb> yeah, i just updated
[15:17] <tux> man there are tonnes of updates the last week
[15:17] <Lamego> jaffarkelshac, echo $(command)
[15:17] <mheath> tux: They're approaching release :-) Lots of developers are trying to squeeze in that last update!
[15:18] <bjwebb> mheath: any ideas?
[15:18] <mheath> bjwebb: open up a terminal and type "dmesg | grep cd" for me; see if it says anything notable.
[15:19] <mheath> bjwebb: You might get a few garbage lines that just coincidentally have the letters "cd"....just tell me about anything that are obviously talking about your CD-ROM drive
[15:19] <jaffarkelshac> exactly what i was looking for, thanks lamego, is a way to loop the command instead of typing it over and over?
[15:19] <bjwebb> everything is about ehci_hcd, which is a usb driver
[15:20] <Lamego> jaffarkelshac, create a for loop
[15:20] <Lamego> read a scripting tutorial :)
[15:20] <mheath> bjwebb: do you know if your CD-ROM drive has been working lately in other operating systems?
[15:20] <bjwebb> yeah, im pretty sure it has
[15:21] <bjwebb> windows xp and kubuntu gutsy
[15:21] <jaffarkelshac> i am just getting what i want but thanks, i got for the moment what i was looking for Lamego
[15:22] <mheath> bjwebb: oh, my mistake! Rerun that command I gave you, but use "CD" instead of "cd"
[15:23] <bjwebb> nothing
[15:23] <mheath> OK.
[15:23] <mheath> Do you know how your drive is connected, internally? IDE? SATA? SCSI?
[15:24] <bjwebb> no, sorry
[15:24] <bjwebb> dell dimension 5150c tho
[15:25] <mheath> OK
[15:25] <mheath> open up the file /proc/scsi/scsi
[15:26] <mheath> See if theres a line about your drive in there
[15:26] <bjwebb> erm, theres something
[15:26] <mheath> Look for a section that says "Vendor: <something that looks like a CD-ROM>" and "Type: CD-ROM"
[15:26] <bjwebb> oh
[15:27] <bjwebb> Type: Direct-Access will be hard disk then?
[15:27] <bjwebb> thats all there is
[15:27] <mheath> bjwebb: one other last-ditch-effort question - you rebooted after your last set of updates, right?
[15:27] <bjwebb> nope
[15:27] <bjwebb> only just done them
[15:28] <mheath> bjwebb: well, has this issue survived a reboot before?
[15:28] <mheath> Or did you only just notice it?
[15:28] <bjwebb> ive never noticed this issue before
[15:29] <mheath> I'd make sure all updates are applied and try rebooting.
[15:29] <mheath> I don't know what else to see you
[15:29] <alastair_> The default .bashrc sets a colour prompt for xterm-color but the default settings for gnome-terminal is xterm
[15:29] <bjwebb> okay
[15:29] <mheath> Your system flat out isn't seeing the CD-ROM drive, on any level
[15:29] <alastair_> Also, I can't figure out how to change gnome-terminal's $TERM
[15:29] <bjwebb> hmmmm
[15:29] <alastair_> (without changing my shell scripts)
[15:29] <mheath> At no point is even the kernel seeing or acknowledging that theres anything there
[15:29] <mheath> alastair_: one sec
[15:30] <mheath> alastair_: well, $TERM isn't a setting for the Terminal application
[15:31] <mheath> alastair_: It's an environment variable that tells applications you're running IN the terminal what that terminals features are
[15:31] <mheath> alastair_: IIRC, gnome-terminal just sets TERM=xterm by default, which is what you'll probably want unless you really know what you're doing.
[15:31] <alastair_> mheath: no, but when I was using KDE the $TERM was set by the terminal app when I launched it
[15:32] <alastair_> I assumed the same went for Gnome
[15:32] <alastair_> Ah, I gotta go though.
[15:32] <mheath> Yes; Gnome-terminal sets TERM=xterm
[15:32] <alastair_> But the defaults don't agree.
[15:32] <mheath> alastair_: type "echo $TERM" in an open gnome-terminal
[15:33] <v0lksman> anyone have a link for help with policykit? I did an upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 but all the policies are set to NO and I can't unlock anything (or change policies in policykit itself)...
[15:35] <bjwebb> mheath: looks promising
[15:35] <mheath> Is it working? :-)
[15:35] <bjwebb> the drive is
[15:36] <bjwebb> whether i can get the dvd working is another matter
[15:36] <mheath> Oh, DVD Playback?
[15:37] <bjwebb> yeah
[15:37] <bjwebb> but as you discovered the whole drive wasn't working before, so im a step closer
[15:37] <bjwebb> and its a home dvd, so no decss
[15:37] <mheath> Oh, you should be ready to go then
[15:37] <mheath> If its actually reading disks now...
[15:38] <mheath> Erm, nevermind
[15:38] <mheath> You need to install "libdvdread3"
[15:39] <bjwebb> its already installed
[15:40] <bjwebb> and yet totem is crashing
[15:41] <bjwebb> *** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:1575 ***
[15:41] <bjwebb> *** for c_adt->cell_adr_table[i].start_sector < c_adt->cell_adr_table[i].last_sector ***
[15:44] <destin> hi there
[15:45] <destin> since ubuntu 8.04 is coming up, i was wondering if there will be a softraid support for crappy intel raid controllers during installation
[15:46] <destin> since the fakeraidhowto somehow didn't work on my machine
[15:48] <susanoo> so how is ubuntu 8.04 so far ??
[15:48] <whitehawk> have it on 2 machines
[15:48] <whitehawk> one is crappy
[15:48] <destin> well, i wasn't able to install the beta
[15:48] <whitehawk> other is ok
[15:48] <bazhang> works well here; kde4 no less ;]
[15:48] <susanoo> using a PPC machine ?
[15:48] <destin> i'd love to try, but my crappy intel raid ctrl is in the way
[15:49] <susanoo> damn YDL 6 is a freaking kick in the crotch man
[15:49] <susanoo> you have to buy video codecs in order to be able to watch videos ??
[15:49] <susanoo> what the fuck ?
[15:50] <destin> use vlc
[15:50] <susanoo> ubuntu gutsy was fun
[15:50] <bazhang> language susanoo
[15:50] <susanoo> destin , i have the video player on my os
[15:50] <susanoo> but i need codecs
[15:50] <destin> well, vlc never asked for codecs ;)
[15:51] <ompaul> !codecs | susanoo
[15:51] <ubotu> susanoo: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[15:51] <susanoo> really ?
[15:52] <destin> yes really
[15:52] <susanoo> thanks onpaul the problem is that am on a ps3 and not only that but am currently using YDL 6
[15:52] <susanoo> i just can't wait till ubuntu 8 stable
[15:52] <destin> and i've been using vlc for years
[15:52] <ompaul> there is no 8 stable
[15:52] <destin> anyone here who can help me with my softraid issue?
[15:53] <destin> !softraid
[15:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about softraid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:53] <ompaul> never will be there will be 8.04
[15:53] <ompaul> year and month
[15:53] <susanoo> ompaul ?
[15:53] <alastair_> mheath: $TERM is xterm
[15:53] <susanoo> what do ya mean >
[15:53] <alastair_> I edited my bashrc to go by that
[15:54] <susanoo> ubuntu 8.04 releases in april 24 righ ?
[15:54] <mheath> alastair_: it should have been that by default.
[15:54] <alastair_> I was just pointing out that the layman wouldn't have a colour terminal as it is
[15:54] <mheath> Sure you would
[15:54] <mheath> xterm is color compatible
[15:54] <alastair_> yes, but the .bashrc only sets $PS1 to have colours if it is xterm-color; otherwise it sets it to a colour-free default
[15:54] <ompaul> susanoo, there is no version 8 ubuntu never will be - you said 8 stable there is 8.04 in april on the 24th they are not the same thing - there will most likely be an 8.10 also later in the year but it will not be LTS if you want to know what lts is /msg ubotu lts
[15:55] <alastair_> Although I guess everything else would have colour
[15:55] <susanoo> ompaul, would it had taken a geniuse to realized what i meant ? when i said ubuntu 8 ?
[15:56] <ompaul> susanoo, well some people don't know if you know what you are saying or not, therefore to avoid confusion I tried to give additional information
[15:56] <susanoo> lol
[15:56] <bazhang> susanoo: never anger the admins ;]
[15:56] <susanoo> confusing
[15:56] <susanoo> no
[15:56] <susanoo> am not trying to
[15:56] <susanoo> ubuntu "8.04" is the first version of ubuntu 8 right ?
[15:57] <ompaul> there is no 8
[15:57] <susanoo> i know there is no! 8
[15:57] <susanoo> ahh
[15:57] <susanoo> forget it
[15:57] <ompaul> there is no 7
[15:57] <ompaul> there is 7.04 and 7.10
[15:57] <bjwebb> mheath: :S its not working
[15:57] <ompaul> there is no 7
[15:57] <susanoo> anyways ? how do i install vlc from terminal ?
[15:57] <ompaul> sudo apt-get install vlc
[15:58] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install packagename
[15:58] <savvas> you're fighting over "mary" and "maria"
[15:58] <savvas> :p
[15:58] <susanoo> hmm
[15:58] <ttkeppi> 8.04 is LTS, right?
[15:58] <ompaul> ttkeppi, yes
[15:58] <susanoo> i think i will pass
[15:58] <susanoo> and wait till april 24
[15:59] <ttkeppi> great, I'll be installing that to couple friends and relatives then
[15:59] <savvas> susanoo: there will be a release candidate somewhere around saturday
[15:59] <susanoo> last version of ubuntu 7 was great
[15:59]  * ompaul head desks
[15:59] <ompaul> susanoo, you are wrong, in many ways and that is just one of them
[15:59] <susanoo> lol
[15:59] <susanoo> ompaul ??
[15:59] <susanoo> seriously
[16:00] <susanoo> whats wrong ?
[16:00] <ompaul> !enter | susanoo
[16:00] <ubotu> susanoo: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[16:00] <savvas> ompaul let it drop
[16:00] <susanoo> i never used used any linux distros till i bought a ps3
[16:00] <_ruben> susanoo: the versions are dates (7.04 = april 2007, 7.10 = october 2007, 8.04 = april 2008) .. there's no versions 7 or 8 .. but some ppl tend to be overly picky on that
[16:00] <ompaul> susanoo, you bought a ps2.5 that is the problem
[16:00] <susanoo> ok
[16:00] <susanoo> sorry
[16:00] <ompaul> ;-)
[16:01] <susanoo> and you probably have a pink Wii ejhh ?
[16:01] <susanoo> anyways thanks for ur help , guys
[16:03] <susanoo> ompaul / you using a PPC machine ?
[16:03] <ompaul> susanoo, no - x86 x many
[16:07] <bjwebb> does ubuntu have a problem reading "unifinished" dvd rw media?
[16:07] <savvas> unfinished?
[16:07] <tech404> unclosed sessions?
[16:07] <bjwebb> tech404: i think so
[16:08] <tech404> I have never tried but I would guess no
[16:08] <tech404> I would stay around and ask someone else
[16:08] <bjwebb> hmmm
[16:09] <bjwebb> you would guess no problem, or no work?
[16:10] <tech404> nop problem
[16:10] <bjwebb> hmmm
[16:10] <tech404> s/nop/no
[16:11] <bjwebb> if its not reading properly
[16:11] <bjwebb> but filesystem, and a bit of video is
[16:11] <bjwebb> it might be dirty
[16:11] <bjwebb> yeah it is certainlu grubby
[16:12] <bjwebb> lol, thats what it was
[16:12] <_Rambaldi_> i made a launcher for my ssh sessions how do i get the launcger to open in xterm so far only a password entry comes up
[16:14] <mheath> _Rambaldi_: when you're creating a launcher using the "Create Launcher" dialog in Gnome, change the "Type" from "Application" to "Application in Terminal".
[16:16] <binarical-app> is it possible to use ebox and its items without reinstalling my server
[16:18] <tahcX> ubuntu 8.04 LTS has little bugs
[16:18] <tahcX> ?
[16:18] <bazhang> hahahaha
[16:19] <mheath> tahcX: Its still being frequently updated
[16:19] <mheath> Most users have reported very usable stability
[16:19] <mheath> But because theres typically dozens of package updates every day still, you can expect some broken things.
[16:20] <mheath> tahcX: If you want a stable, great system, you should still be using Gutsy or the previous LTS release.
[16:21] <mheath> Hardy is getting much better and is very close to release, but the standard warnings about how its only for the expeirenced still apply.
[16:21] <tahcX> unfortunaly i removed gutsy since i was unable to install java on my PPC archi
[16:22] <tahcX> and am also a novice to linux
[16:23] <bazhang> sorry tahcX it is fairly stable but if you have trouble getting back from a terminal prompt then best stick to gutsy as mheath suggests
[16:27] <tahcX> there aren't big diff between gutsy and hardy right /
[16:28] <jk__> exit
[16:28] <bazhang> very big differences
[16:28] <Breetai> Hey there, I am running the kubuntu beta of hardy 8.04-LTS and my monitor keeps blanking after 45 minutes. Even when I go into the Kontrol panel, go to Monitor and Display,  Power Saving and I uncheck "Enable Power Saving" it does not matter if I do it as an admin or the end user, the screen still blanks and the next time I go to the dialog,Power saving is still checked off.
[16:28] <pascalFR> Breetai: did you check your xorg.conf
[16:29] <WorkingOnWise> are the ubuntu servers that hold the hardy repos throttled back to around 120k per conection? My max dl from them has gone from 1M to 120K over the weekend....
[16:29] <bazhang> is it really called Kontrol panel?
[16:32] <wh|gone_home> byez
[16:33] <Breetai> bazhang the executable is kcontrol
[16:33] <tahcX> bazbang what exactly is the ubuntu 8.04 candidate version
[16:33] <bazhang> Breetai: just a sec let me check
[16:35] <bjwebb> hmmm
[16:35] <bjwebb> whats the easiest way to convert a .vob into a more readable file?
[16:39] <bazhang> Breetai: silly question but did you hit apply?
[16:39] <Breetai> pascalFR: Just the plain xorg.conf as generated at startup. No DPMI or anything like that.
[16:40] <Breetai> bazhang: yes, I have opened control, unchecked power save hit apply, and opened control, went to admin mode, unchecked power save and hit apply.
[16:41] <Breetai> bazhang: either way, next time I open  the control panel, the option is checked and screen blanking takes place at 45 minutes.
[16:41] <bazhang> Breetai: do you know what the kde4 version is? or are you using only kde3 atm
[16:41] <Breetai> bazhang: only kde3
[16:42] <bazhang> Breetai: my problem is the opposite; it will not blank at all
[16:42] <v0lksman> can anyone help with policykit or specifically users-admin not being accessible?   if I invoke 'sudo users-admin' or just users-admin as my user either way I get a greyed out "unlock" box and can't modify any users or groups...(groups is completely grey while users has my own user black but I can't modify it at all)
[16:43] <bazhang> Breetai: and it is set to 45 minutes as yours is
[16:43] <Breetai> bazhang: yes it shows 45 minutes and power save is checked off.
[16:44] <skenmy> I just upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy in the hope that it would fix my sound problems, but to no avail. I have sound coming from my USB Audio device, which plays when I test the "Pulseaudio" selection, however nothing from my main soundcard.
[16:45] <bazhang> Breetai: seems to be a bug then; mine is set to 'on' and does not powersave
[16:45] <skenmy> Is there any way to remove everything to do with sound, and just start from scratch?
[16:45] <Breetai> bazhang: Well, it does not seem to be documented yet, I will wait another week or 2 and see what turns up.
[16:45] <trappist> man, the ajaxy stuff on ebay crashes firefox pretty reliably
[16:46] <trappist> at least the session restore feature works
[16:46] <donomo> trappist: ever since ff3b5, i have crashes daily
[16:46] <bazhang> breetai good call; will ping you if I see more
[16:46] <mheath> skenmy: Not that I know of.
[16:47] <mheath> skenmy: and besides; the sound architecture ontop of the kernel is still very simple. You probably wouldn't accomplish anything by reinstalling pulseaudio, etc, because pulseaudio really isn't doing too much
[16:47] <mheath> Are you sure your sound card is suppsoed to be supported by the Linux kernel?
[16:47] <skenmy> I'm just getting confused as to what sound card is attached to what software etc etc
[16:47] <skenmy> It has worked in the past - it's listed as working with emu10k1
[16:48] <skenmy> The card hasn't worked since I installed Ubuntu 2 days ago.
[16:48] <trappist> anybody know if the plan is to release hardy with ff3b, and update to stable when it's released?
[16:49] <gregory> trappist: probably yes
[16:49] <gregory> trappist: hardy also comes with ff2
[16:51] <nemo> heh. FF3.0 - Q1 2007
[16:51] <nemo> wow, they were wildly optimistic back then
[16:51] <donomo> lol
[16:51] <skenmy> okay, mheath, how do I change the default card for pulseaudio?
[16:52] <nemo> of course, David Baron's refactor did take a lot of work
[16:52] <skenmy> trying a slightly different tact here
[16:52] <nacer> Ooo don't support the new GFS system :(
[16:54] <W8TAH> hi folks - got a machine im workin on at home - -installed the hardy beta4 disk on it everythign was peachy -- screen resolution was 1024x768  then did all the upgrades (includeing the partial dist upgrade its asking us to do) and now screen resolution is 800x600 -- tried to change it through the screen res manager -- no joy - -what do i do next?
[16:59] <syke> hi
[16:59] <bazhang> W8TAH: this is nvidia intel or ati? and how were the drivers installed?
[17:00] <syke> X still won't start under the -16 kernel for me, but works fine when I boot back into the -15 kernel
[17:00] <syke> my nvidia module won't load under -16, for some reason. it's not custom-compiled or anything
[17:01] <syke> this is amd64, on an HP laptop
[17:01] <syke> this problem started when I dist-upgraded on saturday and got the -16 kernel
[17:01] <syke> I've been updating since then, with no change in behaviour
[17:02] <W8TAH> bazhang, i wanna say its ati - -(its at home) and it was a stock install -- straight from the disk - didnt modify anything  -- did the install and then did the upgrades
[17:04] <bazhang> W8TAH: you could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and see if you can choose the correct res there; I know that command is streamlined in this new version but havent tried it myself yet when you do get to the box a quick pastebin of your xorg.conf would likely help as well
[17:04] <W8TAH> cool - sounds good
[17:04] <W8TAH> thanks
[17:12] <warren_> hi
[17:12] <fluteflute> hi
[17:12] <warren_> is there someone who has kdenlive installed from the official repo on hardy?
[17:13] <warren_> i would like to know if the program crashes on someone else installation
[17:17] <warren_> does kdenlive works on someones computer here? (hardy)
[17:20] <blizzkid> Hi all, could I upgrade evrything _except_ the kernel to hardy?
[17:20] <warren_> you mean today? :D
[17:20] <linxeh> hello, I'm trying to install eBox on a hardy system, which appears to have worked. however, I don't seem to be able to get to the web admin screens at all - do I need to do anything special ?
[17:21] <mnemo> today when I started my linux machine all icons on the desktop was gone and there is no background image... im thinking this might go away if I just reboot but im curious what exactly happened (maybe I can figure it out and report a bug etc) ... so I wonder, what is the name of the program that shows the desktop icons in GNOME? Maybe I can break into that process with gdb and see what is blocking it from making progress
[17:21] <nemo> blizzkid: wish I had done that :(
[17:21] <blizzkid> warren_, not specifically, but I would like to use Gnome 2.22 etc.. without fully upgrading to hardy
[17:22] <nemo> couldn't you just add the hardy repos
[17:22] <warren_> then don't try it
[17:22] <nemo> then update those packages against 'em?
[17:22] <nemo> then cross your fingers and pray
[17:22] <warren_> if you upgrade to hardy you must uprady everything
[17:22] <nemo> blizzkid: otherwise. gentoo :-p
[17:22] <warren_> nemo : yes :D
[17:22] <gregory> mnemo: try #gnome
[17:23] <mnemo> gregory: mmkay
[17:23] <blizzkid> warren_, does "everything" include kernel? (I can't imagine that, really)
[17:24] <warren_> naturallu
[17:24] <warren_> naturally*
[17:24] <warren_> kernel is the most important
[17:25] <warren_> well if you aren't using some drivers it should work....
[17:25] <warren_> so if you aren't using any driver, try upgrading without kernel
[17:26] <warren_> but why wouldn't you update the kernel?
[17:26] <blizzkid> my pc works perfect with current kernel and drivers, so I could exclude those (as I do already)
[17:26] <blizzkid> and it doesn't work with a newer kernel
[17:26] <warren_> why?
[17:26] <blizzkid> (patched madwifi driver doesn't seem to like newer kernels)
[17:27] <warren_> you should fill some bug report then
[17:27] <warren_> but it's a bit too late
[17:27] <warren_> hardy is nearly finished :D
[17:27] <warren_> can someone test out kdenlive for me? please?
[17:28] <warren_> to know if it crashes
[17:33] <AzaTht> hmm, my screen seems to want to freeze
[17:34] <AzaTht> ↑that one
[17:38] <AzaTht-laptop> it's like following: the screensaver seems to go "gray" after say 15-20 min
[17:39] <lucypher> Hi I'me having some boot issues after upgrading to kernel 2.6.24-16
[17:40] <AzaTht-laptop> oh, it's the screen sleep after 35 min that borks everything up
[17:42] <AzaTht> feature or bug?
[17:42] <|AudioSenseCD|> i think it is a bug
[17:45] <lucypher> My PC stuck at boot with this message: itco_wdt failed to reset no_reboot flag reboot disable by hardware
[17:47] <jimcooncat> What remote graphical servers are available in Hardy default repositories besides VNC? Will Freenx or an rdp server be available?
[17:47] <negge> what's this partial upgrade that adept asks me to do?
[17:48] <negge> has the RC been released already or what?
[17:56] <swatTX> anyone else getting deafened everytime they login to ubuntu? How come my system sound gets reset after every restart now?
[18:02] <swatTX> anyone else getting deafened everytime they login to ubuntu? How come my system sound gets reset after every restart now?
[18:04] <gaetronik> swatTX, you have a initscript which do a alsa-save and restore
[18:12] <milosz> i've got a problem, sudo stopped working
[18:12] <milosz> invoking sudo and any command drops me back to the shell
[18:12] <milosz> (i didn't edit sudoers or anything)
[18:13] <swatTX> milosz, not sure if it's the same problem but i recently couldn't sudo anything... i found that my host name was wrong. somehow my domain got added onto the end of my hostname
[18:14] <swatTX> milosz, after i changed it sudo worked again. I was getting errors when trying to sudo though so that may not be your problem.
[18:14] <milosz> swatTX, yeah i get no errors, it just stopped working
[18:15] <swatTX> gaetronik, can i edit the initscripts?
[18:15] <gaetronik> swatTX, you are root
[18:16] <milosz> hostname seems ok
[18:17] <swatTX> milosz, affraid i can't offer much more help than that. sorry.
[18:17] <milosz> yeah, thanks anyway
[18:18] <AzaTht> now my laptop froze again :(
[18:19] <AzaTht> frozen in outline mode
[18:19] <swatTX> gaetronik, not sure if i'm root right now but i should be able to make whatever changes
[18:20] <AzaTht> what's the real use of the hardware tester thingi?
[18:21] <AzaTht> seems pretty arbitary and thin
[18:25] <milosz> hey AzaTht
[18:25] <milosz> AzaTht, what hardware tester?
[18:27] <AzaTht> the "Hardware Testing" tool
[18:27] <Pici> Testing to see that all your hardware works.
[18:28] <AzaTht> Pici: 1: it's not all, 2: at least one test is pretty dumb in reflect to the reporting
[18:30] <AzaTht> Pici: first a question: what does the "video" test really test?
[18:31] <Pici> AzaTht: I dont even know, I don't have access to an Ubuntu gui right now.
[18:31] <AzaTht> k
[18:32] <Pici> File a bug if you think its not doing something the way that it should.
[18:32] <AzaTht> next we have one of my favourite: "please click here is your mouse are working properly"
[18:34] <Sergeant_Pony> lol
[18:34] <icanhasadmin> so... anyone know where the kernel houses information on how / how much / when to power an external usb device?
[18:34] <Pici> Most of the tests rely on the user being honest about their answers anyway.
[18:34] <AzaTht> icanhasadmin: 250 mA max, 100mA max per standard without skaing host controller
[18:35] <icanhasadmin> AzaTht: is that pretty standard? like it doesn't change or there isn't software that controls that?
[18:35] <AzaTht> icanhasadmin: normal usb it's max you can require from an host
[18:35] <AzaTht> though most ignore the 100mA rule to ask rule
[18:36] <icanhasadmin> AzaTht: ok... anything you know that would control when to cut power to a usb device?
[18:36] <AzaTht> especially dump devices like vacuum cleaners
[18:37] <AzaTht> that's pretty much up to the usc controller
[18:37] <AzaTht> usb*
[18:37]  * icanhasadmin has never had a usb vacuum cleaner....
[18:37] <AzaTht> (I bough one once just for the sake of it, pretty lousy)
[18:38] <icanhasadmin> AzaTht: I ask because i run hardy off an external usb drive. it worked perfect up untill -16, now it seems to power itself down after 5-20 minutes. i'm 90% sure it's not the drive because it seems to work fine when i mount it in another OS
[18:38] <AzaTht> if you need more boost to an device, then you must use powerUSB
[18:38] <AzaTht> -16?
[18:38] <icanhasadmin> newest kernel version?
[18:38] <AzaTht> ah
[18:38] <AzaTht> could be an power save feature
[18:38] <icanhasadmin> although honestly, whatever changed i don't think was necesarily in the kernel, because -15 gives me the same issue now too
[18:39] <icanhasadmin> but it was definately something else in that update. would something like powerUSB help me keep it active?
[18:39] <AzaTht> no
[18:39] <AzaTht> that's another issue
[18:39] <icanhasadmin> i see
[18:39] <icanhasadmin> I wonder if it's possible heat is an issue. new kernel seems to work my cpu harder
[18:39] <AzaTht> usb drive like a stick or an external hard drive?
[18:40] <icanhasadmin> AzaTht: actually, both ;) i test many unconvential connections to make sure they don't break anything. this particular issue i only have on my external HDD tho
[18:40] <AzaTht> Pici: the next question is the best: Does your internet connectio work
[18:40] <AzaTht> icanhasadmin: duesn't it have extra power connection as well?
[18:41] <icanhasadmin> AzaTht: no, the majority of mini usb harddrives (2.5") don't have seperate power. it has an "optional" second usb adapter more "more power" i assume, but it was working fine without it, and i get the same results even when i use it
[18:41] <AzaTht> k
[18:41] <AzaTht> then I'm not to much use then ツ
[18:42] <icanhasadmin> AzaTht: sok, thank you for the info. and the 'shi' too, or is that a 'ji'? :P
[18:43] <AzaTht> hehe
[18:43] <AzaTht> shi
[18:43] <icanhasadmin> AzaTht: xD
[18:44] <icanhasadmin> shiii shi shi shi shi.. shiii shi shi shi!
[18:44] <icanhasadmin> (.hack perv guy)
[18:45] <icanhasadmin> So, still no Hardy updates here. And still no fglrx showing up in my RDM (or Hardware Drivers, or jockey thing.. whatever it's called now)
[18:48]  * icanhasadmin sighs
[18:48] <icanhasadmin> DanaG: so i can't decide if it's my harddrive or not, it seems to stop working at randomintervals
[18:52] <sailaway85> is hardy supported by virualbox
[18:53] <gunashekar> hmm virtualbox is supported by hardy
[18:53] <AzaTht> Pici: made an subission now: https://launchpad.net/+hwdb/+submission/4ceb4f37adb404ca30994754daef795a
[18:53] <AzaTht> what does the "System" say
[18:53] <Pici> e427e70a57b16541212edf06beeba22a
[18:53] <gregory> sailaway85: should be as its a general linux distro and nothing special, 32bit should run well
[18:53] <AzaTht> :-P
[18:54] <AzaTht> what does it mean
[18:54] <Pici> I dont know.
[18:55] <sailaway85> gregory: whats your recommendation on the subjuct vmware or virualbox
[18:56] <gregory> sailaway85: i personally use vm-player and create my own config files. if you are starting with the subject virtualbox is just fine. plus its really open source free.
[18:58] <wangfg> wlan error b43/ucode5.fw not found
[18:58] <AzaTht> hmm, it inclues all installed packages in ther report, not really "hardware" releated
[18:59] <wangfg> ls
[19:00] <sailaway85> gregory: can i get rid of my dual boot with vm-player?
[19:00] <trappist> sailaway85: depends on why you're dual-booting
[19:01] <sailaway85> gregory: running xp and ubuntu and want to run linux as first os
[19:02] <gregory> sailaway85: yes, but i think you might need to get second licence for the winxp in the vm
[19:03] <sailaway85> gregory: use wine but find it a time waster
[19:03] <sailaway85> gregory have lic for lap and desktop
[19:05] <sailaway85> gregory: want to remove win partition
[19:06] <amalgamated> howdy -- before i go digging through launchpad tickets, are the plethora of rendering issues with ff3b5 in hardy known?
[19:06] <gregory> sailaway85: still if its a OEM licence its "bound to the hardware". at the hardware in the vm is a different one. just try to install the xp you have in a vm and youll see if it works. trying is not illegal
[19:06] <swatTX> i'm still having sound issues. is there an easy fix to correct the sound from maxing out at startup or should i just disable the sound in the Admin -> Login Window?
[19:08] <amalgamated> god i hate launchpad sometimes. how do i find out what bugs are open for firefox-3.0 in hardy?
[19:08] <amalgamated> because i'm here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/firefox-3.0/3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 -- and bugs is greyed out
[19:08] <zepalod> hey guys, i have a lot of troubles while upgrading to hardy
[19:08] <zepalod> a lot of dependencies of gnome and nautilus fail, and all starts with not beeing able to install scrollkeeper
[19:11] <gunashekar> can anyone suggest the best way to make broadcom wireless work on hardy.. it worked for a while during the alpha releases, i guess till the early kernel versions
[19:12] <zepalod> gnome-terminal-data and scrollkeeper ar beeing killed during upgrad
[19:13] <swatTX> gunashekar, i ditched network-manager for wicd and haven't had network problems since. maybe give that a try.
[19:13] <gunashekar> ok swatTX will figure out how to do that
[19:14] <sailaway85> gregory: vmware is offering server software only .. where do i get vm-playerwant to remove win partition
[19:19] <gregory> sailaway85: http://vmware.com/products/player/ . still - now after a few more lines of comm between us - i suggest using virtualbox.
[19:20] <swatTX> gunashekar, wicd.sourceforge.net should tell you everything you need to know.
[19:21] <gunashekar> swatTX: thanks , am looking it up
[19:21] <swatTX> gunashekar, cool. that's where i got all my info from. Hope it helps.
[19:22] <gunashekar> swatTX: looks promising. will try on one of my laptops
[19:22] <sailaway85_> gregory: why ? do you recommend vmware
[19:24] <swatTX> gunashekar, that's where i've got it now.  after the initial setup it's golden (so far, haha)
[19:24] <gunashekar> ok will try it
[19:24] <gregory> sailaway85_: for legacy reasons i personally use vmplayer. for a new start virtualbox is the best choice. also when i _try_ to figure out the best solution for you i suggest virtualbox. its more rebust and has a lower learning curve
[19:26] <sailaway85_> gregory: it does not have hardy on its download centre, only 7.10
[19:27] <gregory> sailaway85_: hardy is not yet released. if you instal hardy use the 7.10 presetup. in case it does not work, nothing will be damaged. its just in a virtual machine.
[19:30] <sailaway85_> Gregory: thanks mate... I'll install it and try..  I've managed to crash my system 20 times on this learning curve... have a external drive just for this
[19:30] <gregory> sailaway85_: thats perfectly fine. just go your way
[19:33] <gregory> sailaway85_: correction: just do it your way at your pace. i am nonnative
[19:34] <nephilim> hello all I am seeing if exhaile can replace amarok... but I cant seem to find a tray icon setting for it... help?
[19:38] <PodMan99b> hey all, can i command line upgrade to hardy on my server?
[19:39] <Hammer89> is there a way to upgrade to 8.04 from the terminal in 7.10? I tried sudo apt-get dist-upgrade... but told me that was an invalid operation
[19:39] <PodMan99b> same question as hammer
[19:39] <Hammer89> lol
[19:40] <nephilim> Hammer89: sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release
[19:40] <nephilim> ;)
[19:40] <PodMan99b> nephilim, thanks
[19:40] <Hammer89> awesome... thanks :D
[19:40] <nephilim> hardy rocks!, yvw
[19:41] <sailaway85_> q
[19:41] <Hammer89> am I destined to fail if I upgrade via SSH?
[19:41] <PodMan99b> umm... upgrade speed of 10mb/s
[19:43] <PodMan99b> Hammer89, i have to install libpam0g following the failure
[19:43] <fiXXXerMet> Hi everyone.  I was trying to install ubuntu server and it got to the boot loader step.  Both GRUB and LILO were unable to install.   I went ahead and completed the installation, but now how can I install grub so that I can boot my system?
[19:44] <Hammer89> PodMan99b: which error?
[19:47] <PodMan99b> failed to upgrade due to that package
[19:47] <Hammer89> hmm
[19:48] <PodMan99b> upgrade almost finished just about to reboot
[19:50] <PodMan99b> Hammer89, give me 5 mins and ill let u know if it works
[19:50] <Hammer89> alrighty
[19:51] <PodMan99b> interface back up which is good news.......
[19:52] <Hammer89> :D
[19:52] <matjan_work> did anyone have some problems with compiz before the updates from this morning?
[19:52] <PodMan99b> Hammer89, booted and using new kernel... configured services appear to be working
[19:53] <Hammer89> PodMan99b: awesome :D
[19:53] <PodMan99b> YAY and apache-vhost-mysql works... joy
[19:53] <Hammer89> PodMan99b: I'll have to check if things worked right for me when I get home... since I'm updating my home compy from work
[19:53] <Sijmes> hellooooooo
[19:54] <PodMan99b> cool
[19:54] <Sijmes> hi
[19:54] <Hammer89> hello
[19:54] <Sijmes> rythmnbox doesnt see my mp3 palyer since the heron upgrade...?
[19:55] <Sijmes> any clues ..?
[19:55] <Hammer89> what mp3 player?
[19:55] <Sijmes> zenstone
[19:55] <Sijmes> gutsy even gave it an icon
[20:01] <diefordethklok> how would I go about changing from gnome to kde on my hardy install?
[20:03] <stefg> !kde
[20:03] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[20:04] <diefordethklok> So, will this install kde 4 like in the hardy kubuntu ?
[20:04] <skenmy> How does one change the default sound device in Hardy?
[20:05] <D3> I need help with the Ubuntu 8.04 Beta, I burnt the ISO to a CD and used it as a Live CD, but when Ubuntu booted up, it said that it couldn't load up "X Server" or something along those lines
[20:06] <stefg> D3: what video card do you have?
[20:06] <D3> My video card is built-in to my motherboard
[20:06] <D3> I have a pretty old laptop
[20:06] <diefordethklok> I don't know much about linux, but I had a similar problem with 7.04 and I typed startx into the shell to started the xwindow system and it worked.
[20:07] <stefg> D3: have you tried the 'safe video' mode?
[20:07] <stefg> D3: anyway you need give details about your hardware, so if you don't have them you have to find them out
[20:08] <D3> what details do you need?
[20:08] <stefg> D3: cpu/ram and video chipset
[20:08] <diefordethklok> Look up the model of your laptop on google for info
[20:08] <diefordethklok> Or just look at the stickers they put on the laptop sometimes if you still havethem
[20:10] <diefordethklok> stefeg: so If i run the command "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" It will install kde4 like in the kubuntu beta?
[20:10] <stefg> no
[20:10] <stefg> !kde4
[20:11] <D3> I'veremoved the stickers, but I know it's an Intel Pentium 4
[20:11] <D3> 512mb RAM
[20:11] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:11] <diefordethklok> Is it better then to then just do a fresh install then?
[20:11] <diefordethklok> Is it better to just do a fresh install*
[20:12] <D3> and in the motherboardbios, I have it set to use 128mb RAM for video, leaving the laptop with 384 mb RAM,is that the problem?
[20:12] <stefg> diefordethklok: i think kubuntu defaults to kde3 still...
[20:12] <stefg> D3: no, that's fine
[20:12] <diefordethklok> I thought the beta used kde4?
[20:13] <stefg> D3: so you might have an intel or S3 integrated video. try the safe video mode
[20:13] <D3> How would I enable the safe video mode when I'm trying a Live CD?
[20:13] <stefg> diefordethklok: i don't know. the only thing i heard about kde4 is that it is not stable enough for real work.
[20:14] <diefordethklok> There should be an option menu for it on the cd I think D3
[20:14] <diefordethklok> one of the F keys if it isn't on the menu already
[20:15] <D3> the option I used last time was "Try ubuntu without touching your harddrive" orsomething along the lines of that, I'll try again now
[20:15] <stefg> D3: and you really shouldn't mess with a beta... see /topic
[20:15] <diefordethklok> Wow the kubuntu site is terrible
[20:16] <D3> I know, I was just going to use this as a live CD to see if it worked on my laptop, if it did,I wasgoing to wait until the full release to install.
[20:16] <D3> Bye for now
[20:16]  * diefordethklok waves goodbye
[20:24] <tiax> is there no debootstrap-script for hardy yet? I want to test-install hardy remotely so I want to use debootstrap but downloading tarballs or debs of debootstrap comes with empty scripts for hardy or none at all
[20:28] <Kl4m> He gets in here to ask about video problems and gives all but his video card / laptop model. Very useful
[20:30] <D3> Me again, it worked this time and I got to the login screen using the safe video mode, (in the options under "f4") but I have no idea what I'm meant to use as the username/password
[20:31] <david> hmm
[20:31] <D3> I tried admin/password, 1234/1234. I tried making one up etc but none worked
[20:31] <david> for some reason hardy wants to open all my NFS shares?
[20:31] <david> (dring startup/login)
[20:32] <dwatson_> hey guys
[20:32] <diefordethklok> try ubuntu, ubuntu?
[20:32] <diefordethklok> D3
[20:32] <D3> No, I'll try that now
[20:32] <dwatson_> having probolem getting ubuntu to recognize audigy x-fi sound card
[20:32] <diefordethklok> I don't know, I think that's the username since that's what it says in the shell
[20:32] <D3> Also, when I have ubuntu installed, is there any way to have it boot in safe video mode as default?
[20:34] <D3> Anyone?
[20:34] <diefordethklok> Hold on, I'm searching
[20:34] <D3> Ok, thanks
[20:38] <diefordethklok> There should be an option in grub when booting (press esc), click safe mode and see if that works
[20:39] <Flannel> That's for the recovery console, whcih is signifigantly different than the safe gnome
[20:39] <diefordethklok> oops
[20:40] <Flannel> D3: for safe gnome, you use regular logins, it just starts up without (gnome) startup stuffs.
[20:40] <Sl4y3r> anyone know why i cant install xmms or beep-media-player?
[20:40] <UnNaturalHigh> xmms doesn't exist anymore?
[20:40] <Kl4m> xmms --> audacious
[20:41] <UnNaturalHigh> and I believe bmp is being replaced with bmpx
[20:41]  * UnNaturalHigh is using bmpx right now
[20:41] <Sl4y3r> just found that on the forums
[20:41] <Sl4y3r> im downloading now
[20:42] <Sl4y3r> you know if you can use xchat perl plugins to display/control it like xmms?
[20:42] <Kl4m> D3. The password is random
[20:42] <D3> What do you mean?
[20:43] <D3> I tried doing no username and password too
[20:43] <Kl4m> D3, you can change it by going to a console and typing sudo passwd
[20:46] <D3> One more question before I install it to the hard drive, will I have to create a partition to install Ubuntu along with Windows?
[20:46] <D3> or will the partition be created automatically, if needed?
[20:47] <Kl4m> D3: From the 8.04 release, you could use wubi
[20:47] <Kl4m> !wubi
[20:47] <ubotu> wubi is Wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi-installer.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it is included in hardy 8.04 beta CD and will be in the final release)
[20:47] <dotpavan> hi, couldnt find this at bugzilla, hence asking here: anybody experiencing internet freezing for FF3b5 on Hardy? (though internet is fine with the system, FF takes forever for loading pages))
[20:48] <Luckrider> no dotpavan
[20:48] <dotpavan> and this is intermittent
[20:48] <Luckrider> I haven't had any problems yet
[20:48] <dotpavan> I thought it was proxy settings gone bad, but that seems to be fine
[20:49] <dotpavan> Luckrider, ok, I shall keep an open eye for more symptoms, thanks!
[20:49] <Luckrider> ok
[20:49] <Luckrider> np
[20:51] <bipolar> has anyone else noticed that libnss-ldap looks for the ldap.conf client config file at /etc/ldap.conf instead of /etc/ldap/ldap.conf?
[20:51] <D3> Thanks for all the help, going to install Ubuntu now.
[20:51] <D3> Bye!
[20:51] <bipolar> the last system I configured for ldap auth was Feisty, so I don't know if it's changed in Gutsy or Hardy.
[20:51] <DASkreech> Hello
[20:52] <bipolar> the man page for ldap.conf stays it's suposed to be in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf
[20:52] <DASkreech> does anyone else have a nuetured Firefox?
[20:52]  * DASkreech types that correctly as well
[20:52] <dotpavan> DASkreech, care to elaborate?
[20:52] <DASkreech> dotpavan: It won't connect to any sites it seems
[20:53] <mooboo1> how many run 32-bit how many 64-bit ?
[20:53] <Tuv0k> dotech, missing application associations?
[20:53] <mooboo1> how many run 32-bit how many 64-bit ?
[20:53] <mooboo1> i run 32-bit, should i run 64-bit?
[20:53] <dotpavan> DASkreech, is it always or sometimes?
[20:53] <Tuv0k> mooboo1, I run both
[20:53] <DASkreech> Always
[20:53] <DASkreech> It says access denied
[20:53] <mooboo1> Tuv0k, which works better? which you prefer?
[20:53] <negge> mooboo1 everyone SHOULD run 64-bit if the can, problem is some things still don't work like they're supposed to on 64-bit ubuntu
[20:53] <Tuv0k> mooboo1, its a moot issue
[20:53] <DASkreech> Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed
[20:54] <mooboo1> negge, what dont work in 64-bit? im currently on 32-bit
[20:54] <Tuv0k> mooboo1, everything I use works on my 64bit
[20:54] <negge> mooboo1 lets see
[20:54] <mooboo1> Tuv0k, flash?
[20:54] <Tuv0k> yup
[20:54] <negge> adobe still hasn't made a flash plugin for 64-bi
[20:54] <negge> damn too slow:)
[20:54] <negge> other than that I haven't had any problems yet, but the flash thing is a quite big one
[20:54] <Tuv0k> you don't need adobes to have working flash
[20:54] <Tuv0k> lookup swf
[20:54] <Tuv0k> and gnash
[20:54] <dotpavan> DASkreech, nope..
[20:54] <Tuv0k> next?
[20:54] <DASkreech> dotpavan: NEver mind
[20:54] <negge> Tuv0k gnash simply sucks
[20:55] <Tuv0k> continue
[20:55] <Tuv0k> it works is the point
[20:55] <DASkreech> Some joker had me go through a proxy
[20:55] <negge> tried it both on my 32-bit system and on my 64-bit system, it never seems to work properly
[20:55] <mooboo1> well, canonical should tell adobe to make flash 64
[20:55] <negge> couldn't watch youtube videos correctly, fullscreen didn't work etc...
[20:55] <mooboo1> i need flash for youtube + porno
[20:55] <negge> mooboo1 hehe
[20:55] <Tuv0k> mooboo1, do you homework, read the 64bit ubuntu forums
[20:56] <negge> flash should work flawlessly on 64-bit hardy when the stable release is out, currently there's a bug that prevents youtube from working (don't know about other flash content)
[20:56] <Tuv0k> mooboo1, you sound like a canidate to stick with 32bit
[20:56] <Tuv0k> youtube works flawlessly on my 64bit box
[20:56] <mooboo1> Tuv0k, okie
[20:56] <Tuv0k> with adobe
[20:56] <UnNaturalHigh> negge, flash works fine for me on my 64bit laptop
[20:57] <negge> if everyone would just leave the 20st century behind and use 64-bit systems it wouldn't take long before we have good 64-bit drivers and everything
[20:57] <negge> UnNaturalHigh Tuv0k not for me, I have the bug that makes youtube movies stop after 2 second
[20:57] <negge> seconds*
[20:57] <Tuv0k> sorry to hear that
[20:57] <negge> haven't bothered trying to solve it yet...
[20:57] <UnNaturalHigh> never had a problem with adobe flash and youtube
[20:57] <dotpavan> negge, I had that bug..
[20:57] <UnNaturalHigh> works flawlessly
[20:57] <negge> dotpavan any good workaround?
[20:58] <negge> UnNaturalHigh I guess you're lucky
[20:58] <dotpavan> negge, dont use restricted repo..
[20:58] <Tuv0k> get the lucky is selective?
[20:58] <Tuv0k> guess
[20:58] <dotpavan> try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=8b1f7c1651c5ee1f836afc501a30f0ba&t=747590&page=2
[20:58] <negge> dotpavan that all I have to do? haven't installed flash support yet so I'll try it right away
[20:58] <Tuv0k> I guess the luck is selective
[20:58] <Pirate_Hunter> ok my keyboard is acting funny the plus, subtraction and number keys etc are not functioning as they should, they are freaking controlling the mouse :/ how do i stop this, i dont know how i even activated it?
[20:59] <Tuv0k> Pirate_Hunter, might want to reconfigure X
[20:59] <Pirate_Hunter> Tuv0k: it just started as i was trying to get alt& numbers to work together to change freaking irssi
[21:00] <negge> dotpavan how am I supposed to install when I'm on 64-bit?
[21:00] <negge> the package was i686
[21:00] <dotpavan> negge, yikes.. not sure
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> negge: you can --force-architecture
[21:00] <negge> hehe
[21:00] <Pirate_Hunter> is there a way to restart keyboard?
[21:00] <negge> nosrednaekim will that work?
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> and use getlibs on it
[21:01] <dotpavan> negge: look around for 64-bit version of that
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> negge: if you grab the propers libraries, sure
[21:01] <negge> dotpavan okay I'll try
[21:01] <negge> nosrednaekim I'll try dotpavan suggestion first, seems like the easier way to do it.
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> if there is a 64 bit deb, certainly ;)
[21:02] <negge> simply changing the URL didn't work...
[21:03] <negge> nosrednaekim could you explain to me how to install that .deb?
[21:03] <negge> the 32-bit one... what other stuff do I need to do?
[21:04] <nosrednaekim> negge: first of all, what is it?
[21:04] <dotpavan> negge: 64bit ver exists for 7.10: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397
[21:04] <negge> nosrednaekim it's the flash plugin
[21:04] <negge> thanks for the link dotpavan, I'll try it out
[21:04] <dotpavan> and for 8.04 as well
[21:05] <dotpavan> nosrednaekim, it is non Free flash
[21:06] <tpp> When I go to Screens and graphics it says I am using the VESA driver. Changing it to the intel driver has no effect (doesn't remember the change), although the Xorg.0.log shows the intel driver being loaded. On top of this my resolutions are getting detected all wrong. It's driving me crazy - can anyone help?
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> oh yech, can't help with that
[21:08] <esurnir> hello
[21:08] <esurnir> I got in my update manager an error asking me to do a partial upgrade
[21:08] <esurnir> should I do it or...
[21:09] <negge> esurnir I did it today, I asked here what it was but didn't get any answer so I can't really tell you
[21:09] <negge> all I know is that everything still works:)
[21:09] <esurnir> your machine didn't explode
[21:09] <negge> nope:)
[21:09] <esurnir> ok I got it I'm going to do it ^_^
[21:09] <tpp> Does 'Screens & Graphics' even have any effect?
[21:09] <negge> it took quite long though, atleast 15 minutes
[21:09] <esurnir> hmmm
[21:10] <negge> dotpavan I'm installing it right now
[21:10] <esurnir> did you used the "custom package" when there was a problem with the "liblaunchpad" ?
[21:10] <negge> just gotta install nspluginwrapper first
[21:10] <negge> esurnir I got no such error
[21:10] <dotpavan> negge, hope it fixes the 2-sec bug for you
[21:10] <negge> dotpavan we'll see
[21:10] <esurnir> ok just wondered if that custom package may have been the cause
[21:11] <negge> what's the difference between the deb you gave me and the one you get from the repositories?
[21:11] <esurnir> well at the time it fixed a broken dependencies
[21:11] <dotpavan> esurnir, it should be okay to proceed with partial.. some package might have been broken but would get fixed later
[21:11] <gunashekar> hmm some server is down
[21:12] <dotpavan> negge, no idea.. someone must have custom made it (as I gather from that forum)
[21:12] <negge> dotpavan now I got the same md5sum error that the package was supposed to fix:D
[21:12] <negge> installation failed
[21:12] <UnNaturalHigh> you fail
[21:12] <dotpavan> negge, still, go ahead and try restarting FF and open a yt video..
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> negge: I've found gnash works well for alot of things
[21:13] <negge> dotpavan nope it asks me to install missing plugins
[21:13] <dotpavan> nosrednaekim, would gnash work for flash9 requiring pages?
[21:13] <negge> I'll try gnash again
[21:13] <negge> if it works for others it just has to work for me somehow
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> dotpavan: I don't know....
[21:14] <negge> nosrednaekim should I install gnash by clicking install missing plugins in FF or is there a somehow better way to do it?
[21:16] <negge> weird, no I suddenly got a popup saying there's 1 update available and apparently flashplugin-nonfree is upgradable
[21:17] <negge> i'll do what it says and see what happens...
[21:17] <D3> Me again...
[21:18] <negge> dotpavan it's still the same
[21:18] <negge> video starts playing and freezes after 2 seconds, if I skip forward it plays for 2 seconds again then stops
[21:18] <dotpavan> darn 64-bit :)
[21:18] <peter77> I'm using a Toshiba Satellite Pro A120, when I plug in headphones into the headphone socket the speakers do not mute, this issues has been on going since gutsy!
[21:18] <negge> dotpavan yeah:P
[21:18] <negge> i hope they fix it for the stable release
[21:19] <D3> I've tried installing the 8.04 beta through WUBI but after it reaches about 55%, it says it can't access the disk and as soon as I press "retry" it showsno problems until the same precentage where it stops again (It's happened twice, trying to install it again now)
[21:19] <negge> a release cannot be considered stable if installing flash the way 95% of its users do it doesn't work
[21:20] <negge> peter77 can you mute the speakers from the sound mixer?
[21:21] <keb> why not ship a working gnash with the bundled icefox?
[21:21] <dotpavan> D3: did you check if the disk is fine?
[21:21] <fiXXXerMet> OK, GRUB & LILO just won't install.   I've tried it on 3 servers now with both physical disks and mounted .iso images on a virtual server.
[21:21] <peter77> negge, yes
[21:22] <cwillu> negge, that's after a firefox restart right?
[21:22] <savvas> fiXXXerMet: which virtual machine software? did you use IDE or SCSI?
[21:22] <negge> cwillu of course
[21:22] <gotgnu> ﻿Hi I am running ubuntu hardy beta and I get the white screen of death then I try to turn on compiz...any ideas?
[21:22] <esurnir> oh btw did xorg.conf changed with hardy heron ?
[21:22] <negge> happened on my previous installation too (reinstalling today due to some crazy bug with fglrx)
[21:22] <fiXXXerMet> savvas: vmware server as scsi
[21:22] <negge> esurnir yeah
[21:23] <savvas> fiXXXerMet: try as IDE, it might work
[21:23] <fiXXXerMet> Hmm, LILO just worked - took a while though.
[21:23] <esurnir> because to make ubuntu work under VirtualBox I had to install it from 7.10 and do a distupgrade
[21:23] <esurnir> I couldn't set the window size any other way
[21:23] <negge> fiXXXerMet I had the same problem when trying to install debian in vmware
[21:23] <negge> how did you solve it?
[21:23] <D3> dotpavan, I used it succesfully as a Live CD, should I try burning it to another disk?
[21:24] <esurnir> (under virtualbox I have to manually edit the file on 7.10 then do the dist upgrade)
[21:24] <negge> gonna go for a cigarette break now...
[21:24] <D3> It gets to exactly 58.0%, freezes there and then gives me that error
[21:24] <esurnir> do you know where are the screensize settings under hardy heron?
[21:24] <adilson> yay fixed my problem that was easier than i thought, i dont need the irc any more :D
[21:24] <adilson> :( im sorry i'll behave i do need the irc
[21:24] <gunashekar> :)
[21:25] <esurnir> because it's -not- under xorg.conf
[21:25] <dotpavan> D3, it is always good to check the iso before burning..
[21:25] <D3> dotpavan, how should I check it? I still have it on my hard drive
[21:26] <dotpavan> D3, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[21:29] <negge> esurnir you mean in xorg.conf?
[21:31] <negge> esurnir sorry didn't see your last line:D
[21:31] <esurnir> yes
[21:31] <negge> the new xorg is supposed to automatically detect every setting, you can't configure it manually anymore
[21:31] <Wobbo> Major bug found... 1 out of 3 times when i let my bluetooth optical mouse connect to my laptop computer the system freezes, The system has a kernel/hardware freeze... A led on my computer starts to blink.
[21:31] <esurnir> oh bugger
[21:31] <negge> if you could I wouldn't have had to reinstall ubuntu today
[21:31] <negge> it really sucks
[21:32] <esurnir> well the problem is that virtualbox doesn't publish any windows size
[21:32] <esurnir> so ubuntu "assume" it's 800x600 :S
[21:32] <negge> esurnir okay
[21:32] <D3> dotpavan, the "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes" page doesn't have the MD5 thingy for 8.04 Hardy Heron beta, is it elsewhere on the website?
[21:33] <negge> esurnir can you change resolution from System -> Preferences -> Screen resolution?
[21:33] <Flannel> D3: They're in the same directory as the isos
[21:34] <esurnir> nopd
[21:34] <esurnir> nope
[21:34] <Kl4m> 523db182ecea4c929e4ab26ddaadfb40  ubuntu-8.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[21:34] <esurnir> can't
[21:34] <negge> damn
[21:34] <esurnir> it say "800x600 or 640x480
[21:34] <esurnir> and I'm 1440 x 900
[21:34] <esurnir> (laptop)
[21:34] <negge> esurnir you could always try to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[21:35] <dotpavan> esurnir, you can edit xorg.conf by manually adding the appropriate line with that screen res
[21:35] <negge> although when I tried it it just asked me about my keyboard
[21:35] <dotpavan> esurnir, but beware, make a copy first as backup
[21:35] <esurnir> well I don't recognize the xorg.conf anymore .__.;;;
[21:35] <negge> esurnir if you have an old copy of xorg.conf from gutsy left somewhere you can copy paste it from there
[21:35] <negge> but like dotpavan said, be sure to make a backup
[21:35] <esurnir> yes I'm going to do that if I need to upgrade
[21:36] <negge> yeah
[21:36] <Kl4m> the dpkg-reconfigure will rebuild a xorg.conf
[21:36] <esurnir> well it asked me for my keyboard
[21:36] <esurnir> no screensize
[21:36] <esurnir> well I tried without the -phigh
[21:36] <negge> esurnir yeah there's 10 questions about the keyboard but nothing about the monitor:D it's really stupid...
[21:36] <D3> Flannel, do you mean the "http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta" page? If so, I cannot find it there.
[21:37] <D3> oh, sorry, Kl4m posted it
[21:37] <D3> Thanks Kl4m
[21:37] <dotpavan> D3, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290339
[21:37] <Kl4m> Most monitors just report the resolutions they can handle, and Ubuntu takes the Highest. At least I guess it's how it works
[21:38] <Kl4m> LCD monitors
[21:38] <Flannel> D3: like here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/  Up at the top is an MD5 file
[21:38] <esurnir> Well VirtualBox don't report any screesize
[21:38] <dotpavan> D3, get the md5 from where you got the iso.. that way you can check the integrity of the iso
[21:39] <sourcemaker_> Can I use the SAP GUI for java in Kubuntu Hardy?
[21:39] <esurnir> (and the last request to add screeensize was closed with "you can edit xorg.conf"
[21:39] <Kl4m> esurnir: The installer should ask for this info but it doesn't... meanwhile you can replace the "800x600" around the end of /etc/X11/xorg.conf with "1440x900"
[21:40] <esurnir> well right now I'm in 1440
[21:40] <D3> dotpavan, I did that too, and the MD5 checksums are the same
[21:40] <esurnir> but what i did was install gutsy edit the xorg then dist-upgrade
[21:40] <prodigel> Hi all. I'm using transmission for the first time and I don't see a tray icon alltough the option is checked in edit preferences. Any idea? I'm using ubuntu hardy heron
[21:40] <esurnir> installing directly the hardy heron is equivalent to commiting sepuku >__<;
[21:41] <Kl4m> esurnir: xserver-xorg must have reconfigured during the upgrade and put back the 800x600 right
[21:41] <esurnir> I think so but it was still in a format where 800x600 was sighted
[21:41] <esurnir> while when I do a direct install
[21:41] <Kl4m> (I installed hardy directly because gutsy didn't support my brand new nvidia 8 series)
[21:41] <esurnir> from the iso
[21:42] <esurnir> I get no "800x600"
[21:42] <esurnir> anywhere...
[21:43] <Kl4m> Oh that's bad. What does X do then? Does it crash with "no screens found"?
[21:43] <esurnir> I think I'll keep my current xorg.conf as a backup somewhere on my windows host (go ahead boooh me)
[21:43] <esurnir> No right now on this vm it work perfectly
[21:43] <Sergeant_Pony> BOOOOH!
[21:43] <Sergeant_Pony> lol
[21:43] <esurnir> But I was thinking if this vm crash and I need to install a new one I think it suck to have to make an install from gutsy before upgrading
[21:44] <D3> brb, I'm going to check the CD I burned the ISO on for defects.
[21:49] <dotpavan> esurnir, I read that Xorg 7.2 has this new feature : when you delete the xorg.conf file it will regenerate a new one with default settings hopefully working on that hardware
[21:49] <prodigel> Nobody knows how I can see that icon in system tray? If I close the app I cannot see any progress, trying to start it again it says another session is runing.
[21:50] <dotpavan> prodigel, try alltray
[21:51] <prodigel> dotpavan: sure :), perfect sollution. I just thought gnome fans would help me. It seems ktorrent will remain the best torrent client ...
[21:52] <prodigel> dotpavan: hmm, it seems it's bigger that this. even alltray wouldn't show up
[21:58] <pen> is there a way to change encoding of filenames?
[21:59] <pen> I got some pictures with chinese names on, when i copy over to nautilus it says invalid encoding
[21:59] <pen> what should i do?
[22:01] <D3> I've checked the MD5 checksum and I've checked the CD for errors, but the WUBI installer still freezes at58%
[22:01] <melani9> www.thePHPportal.tk I need help, I can't see my website! SQL error
[22:02] <melani9> www.thePHPportal.tk I need help, I can't see my website! SQL error
[22:08] <ogre> my update messed up due to the fact i was using bzr AWN here is the output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63355/ any help would be appreciated
[22:14] <hardy64> hey everyone, im testing hardy and cannot get a bluetooth usb adapter to even power on when plugged in. I'm using a Dell Optiplex 755. I didn't see any bugs related to bluetooth on launchpad, and thought I'd ask here
[22:15] <hardy64> it works fine when plugged into my gutsy laptop and winbox
[22:16] <Leftmost> I have updated a bunch of upstream gedit translations. They show up on launchpad but do not appear in gedit after a language pack upgrade. A few, in fact. Any ideas?
[22:16] <dotpavan> hardy64, does lsusb recognize it?
[22:17] <hardy64> let me check,
[22:18] <hardy64> dotpavan: it does, Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode). But it doesn't light up
[22:19] <hardy64> i had been typing lshw
[22:19] <dotpavan> do you have bluezutils?
[22:19] <D3> yay, it's gotten past 58% (where it previously stopped)
[22:20] <chuy_max> I was thinking of using fat as some of you say, the drawback of it is that the HDD will get slow if I fill the partition, or defrag it on a constant basis
[22:20] <hardy64> dotpavan: yes, bluez-audio, bluez-cups, bluez-gnome, bluez-utils, and python-bluez are all installed
[22:20] <hardy64> i ran sudo dpkg -l | grep "bluez" to find out
[22:20] <chuy_max> I haven't dealt with any problem using NTFS-3G, just heard that it was not safe 100%
[22:20] <chuy_max> I've screwed ext partitions when used in windows though
[22:21] <chuy_max> using ext2ifs driver
[22:21] <ogre> my update messed up due to the fact i was using bzr AWN here is the output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63355/ any help would be appreciated
[22:22] <dotpavan> not sure if this helps, try hcitool <options>, say, scan?
[22:22] <gunashekar> why Disapp
[22:24] <hardy64> dotpavan: device is not available: no such device, but typing hci <TAB> lead me to hciconfig, so im gonna read the man pages on that. should I file a bug report? since it isn't automatically recognized?
[22:25] <dotpavan> would recommend that right away, my unnamed bluetooth toggle worked, so your named branded should defi work :)
[22:25] <dotpavan> *wouldnt*
[22:36] <D3> Me....Again...
[22:36] <pen> I got some pictures with chinese names on, when i copy over to nautilus it says invalid encoding
[22:36] <pen> what should i do?
[22:37] <D3> When booting into Ubuntu, I press ESC to go into the boot modes thing, and choose "Safe graphic mode", and it then comes up with some busy box thing (I can't exactly remember the name), what do I do there?
[22:40] <D3> Anybody?
[22:40] <yacc> What's the official way to LUKS format a partition in Ubuntu?
[22:41] <yacc> Check kernel for support for the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher spec and verify that /dev/sdb1 contains at least 133 sectors. <= which does not make sense, because the named cipher is used already for a different LUKS device, and the partition is slightly under 100GB or so.
[22:42] <yacc> :) unmounting the empty partition helps.
[22:46] <jk__> can i mount harddrives across network like its possible in xp?
[22:47] <igormorgado> jk__: sure.
[22:47] <void^> you can mount things like smb shares if that's what you mean
[22:49] <jk__> i can with individual shared folders but, if i did that alone I would have a lot of shared folders mounted. i want to mount and have access to the whole drive
[22:50] <void^> use sshfs then
[22:50] <jk__> i tried sharing hdd in /media but no go
[22:50] <jk__> !sshfs
[22:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sshfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:52] <D3> void^, can you help me with my problem? (I've already said what the problem is, just scroll up)
[22:52] <jk__> just installing sshfs
[22:53] <UnNaturalHigh> jk__, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb
[22:54] <jk__> just on that website already thanks though
[22:54] <UnNaturalHigh> jk__, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS
[22:54] <UnNaturalHigh> cool
[22:54] <D3> When booting into Ubuntu, I press ESC to go into the boot modes thing, and choose "Safe graphic mode", and it then comes up with some busy box thing (I can't exactly remember the name), what do I do there?
[22:55] <D3> Anybody?
[22:59] <Don_Miguel> !paste | D3
[22:59] <ubotu> D3: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[23:00] <D3> what? I don't understand...
[23:02] <swuboo> Kill_X:  Did you catch that there's a patch for our problem now?
[23:02] <void^> D3: typically you are dropped to busybox if it can't access the root device. there's probably an incorrect device specified on the kernel commandline, or your initramfs is missing the controller driver. just look at the console output above the prompt. should be able to scroll up, too.
[23:02] <Kill_X> swuboo, yes
[23:04] <swuboo> Kill_X:  And whee, I can still reproduce it.
[23:04] <Kill_X> swuboo, seems quite fixed here :o
[23:05] <swuboo> Kill_X:  I just tried unplugging and replugging my external.  STIMSON and STIMSON_.
[23:05] <Kill_X> swuboo, what's your version of the initscripts package?
[23:06] <Kill_X> dpkg -s initscripts | grep Version:
[23:07] <AaronMT> Hi, I am having a problem with Hardy playing back DVD's. DVD playback is pretty slow in Totem. Any ideas?
[23:07] <AaronMT> Nothing running in the background
[23:08] <swuboo> Kill_X:  Actually, it's sorting it out by itself.  Looks like it is working now.
[23:09] <Kill_X> swuboo, alright. I wasn't able to observe the old behavior today...
[23:10] <Kill_X> gotta get to bed now, only 5 hours left until I've got to get up again :S
[23:10] <Kill_X> gn8
[23:10] <swuboo> Kill_X:  I managed to make it generate a duplicate of the mount point for my external, but the duplicate point vanished.
[23:10] <swuboo> Kill_X:  G'night.
[23:15] <Jordan_U> Is anyone else having problems with restricted drivers and kernel -16 ?
[23:18] <Jordan_U> Will there likely be another kernel version before Hardy final? I wasn't worried because I have not had any problems with other versions and thought it would be quickly fixed with -17 but my Atheros card and ATI card and ATI drivers are failing to load with -16
[23:20] <jk__> i am trying to use sshfs but how do i add the nonempty option there is a bunch of -o
[23:23] <jk__> sshfs jk@192.168.0.3:/home/jk/files /home/rambaldi/Desktop -p 545 where do i add the nonempt mount option
[23:24] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone not able to play dvd's ? I tried and get a "cannot read media"..
[23:24] <Sergeant_Pony> happenes to every one I try
[23:43] <Ratshell> Anyone had any luck compiling the compiz screensavers in hardy heroN?
[23:50] <RyanPrior> Could Windows games be packaged using dpkg and fetched using APT, so long as they depended on Wine?
[23:50] <RyanPrior> If so, we should try some of that for Intrepid. It would be nice to be able to have Steam in Multiverse or Medibuntu, for example.
[23:51] <RyanPrior> Heck, we could do more than games as well. I'd love to see Notepad++ in Universe, which is a great OSS programmer's editor for Windows.
[23:52] <ampex2> is it possible to upgrade from 7.10 server to 8.04?
[23:53] <RyanPrior> ampex2: It sure is.
[23:54] <Agrajag-> my hardy box is crashing frequently. it seems to have something to do with metacity, though i'm not sure. sometimes X seems to crash and i'm brought back to the login screen. other times everything just totally freezes and i have to hit the power button. once when it froze the LEDs on my keyboard were flashing. anyone else experiencing frequent crashes like this?
[23:54] <Agrajag-> i'm using the radeon driver with dual head configuration, no desktop effects
[23:55] <bewst> is it normal to have disk partitions under /dev/mapper/ when *NOT* using LVM?
[23:55] <RyanPrior> Agrajag-: crashing with flashing LEDs tends to indicate kernel panics, which can be due to loose connections in your box, a bad motherboard, a failing file system, bad RAM, or a borked kernel.
[23:57] <RyanPrior> Agrajag-: In any case, it seems doubtful based on what you said that Metacity is causing the problem. Is there more info you didn't disclose? IE, you tried a different WM and the problem went away?
[23:57] <forrest> hi, I am having a problem with flash playing in FF 3... I installed the 'flashplugin-nonfree' but video stops after 2 seconds
[23:58] <Agrajag-> oh, sorry, i forgot one part - i get "Apr 16 07:42:20 wbsdev5 kernel: [ 1298.761686] metacity[7681]: segfault at 08247c8f eip b7a75a8e esp bfade950 error 4" (from /var/log/messages) that's what makes me think metacity has something to do with it
[23:58] <bewst> can anyone not using LVM do an "ls /dev/mapper/" and tell me what they see?
[23:58] <RyanPrior> bewst: I don't have a directory /dev/mapper/
[23:58] <bewst> You're running Hardy?
[23:59] <RyanPrior> Agrajag-: Nope, the segfault just happened to occur while dealing with the Metacity process. Metacity itself should not be able to cause a segfault.
[23:59] <RyanPrior> bewst: I am, and most people in this channel are. :-)_
[23:59] <Agrajag-> ah ok
[23:59] <bewst> RyanPrior: I figured.  What CD did you use to install?  Or is this an upgrade?
[23:59] <swuboo> Does anyone know offhand a way to make it impossible to drag titlebars under a gnome-panel?