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| seb128 | pitti: hey | 08:39 |
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| * pitti hugs seb128 good morning | 08:40 | |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 08:40 | |
| seb128 | hey Amaranth | 08:40 |
| Amaranth | hey seb128 | 08:40 |
| seb128 | pitti: do you have a minute to discuss this camera autoplug action thing? | 08:40 |
| pitti | seb128: typing a mail ATM, but sure | 08:41 |
| seb128 | pitti: so the issue is due to the fact that the gvfs gphoto backend is not used | 08:41 |
| seb128 | pitti: nautilus relies on finding a DCIM directory on the device to know that photos are there | 08:41 |
| seb128 | pitti: but if it can't mount it, it doesn't know if the directory is there | 08:42 |
| seb128 | pitti: we have 2 ways to fix that I think, one is to implement some other logic in nautilus (looking at the device capabiliy fir example), the other one is to use g-v-m again | 08:43 |
| seb128 | pitti: any opinion on that? | 08:43 |
| seb128 | pitti: if we use g-v-m we ideally should do some changes to nautilus anyway because at the moment it displays some "start photo manager" button on photo locations which doesn't work when clicked | 08:44 |
| Amaranth | hey mvo | 08:44 |
| mvo | hey Amaranth! | 08:45 |
| seb128 | hello mvo | 08:45 |
| mvo | hey seb128 | 08:46 |
| * mvo yawns | 08:46 | |
| pitti | hey mvo | 08:47 |
| mvo | hey pitti | 08:47 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, I see; that makes sense | 08:47 |
| pitti | seb128: my gut feeling is that we should do the following: | 08:47 |
| pitti | - enable f-spot in g-v-m again, since it fits better into the g-v-m hw category of digicams, scanners, and photo cameras | 08:48 |
| pitti | - disable the default program setting in the nautilus pane | 08:48 |
| pitti | that should be easy, and we know that g-v-m works | 08:48 |
| seb128 | ok, deal | 08:48 |
| pitti | seb128: WDYT? | 08:48 |
| pitti | ah | 08:48 |
| seb128 | can you do the g-v-m part? I'll do the nautilus one | 08:48 |
| pitti | sure, absolutely | 08:49 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 08:49 | |
| pitti | seb128: shuold we entirely disable the widget? or just the gconf thing? | 08:49 |
| seb128 | what widget? | 08:49 |
| pitti | the nautilus photo program selector | 08:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: mask the widget for now I would say | 08:50 |
| pitti | seb128: sounds good and less confusing | 08:50 |
| pitti | seb128: that's hopefully just a tiny patch to the .glade? | 08:51 |
| seb128 | I didn't look at it yet but yeah, should be trivial | 08:51 |
| seb128 | hey dholbach | 08:51 |
| dholbach | good morning | 08:52 |
| dholbach | hi seb128 | 08:52 |
| mvo | hey dholbach! | 08:52 |
| dholbach | hiya mvo | 08:52 |
| Amaranth | hey dholbach | 08:53 |
| dholbach | hey Amaranth | 08:53 |
| asac | seb128: do you know any french translator? | 09:07 |
| seb128 | asac: what do you need exactly? I'm an occasional translator and I talk to some of the french team guys by mail or on IRC sometimes | 09:08 |
| asac | seb128: french folks are lame confirming suggestsions for firefox-3.0 and xulrunner-1.9 | 09:08 |
| asac | seb128: its basically going through the untranslated strings and confirming the existing suggestions | 09:08 |
| seb128 | asac: they refuse to use rosetta to translate it | 09:08 |
| * crevette is occasionaly translator as well | 09:08 | |
| asac | seb128: ? no ... they are just slow ;) | 09:08 |
| seb128 | they have a "don't translate on rosetta things which have an upstream translation team" | 09:08 |
| seb128 | I exchanged mail with them some days ago | 09:09 |
| asac | https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+lang/fr | 09:09 |
| seb128 | for firefox3 they say it has an upstream team and they have no reason to fork the work | 09:09 |
| crevette | asac, don't forget the icon patch for nm-applet btw | 09:09 |
| asac | seb128: we need a bit duplication in order to produce innovation here | 09:10 |
| seb128 | asac: they refuse to do it, I had the discussion some days ago | 09:10 |
| asac | ok | 09:10 |
| seb128 | they say that leads to work duplication, conflict with upstream, etc | 09:10 |
| seb128 | I can understand from where they come | 09:10 |
| asac | seb128: we import upstream translations | 09:10 |
| seb128 | we had too many issues with GNOME because ubuntu forks translations | 09:10 |
| asac | seb128: its about "confirming" the ones that have ambiguities | 09:11 |
| seb128 | and ubuntu has less control quality | 09:11 |
| seb128 | and the ubuntu translation take over the upstream ones | 09:11 |
| asac | true | 09:11 |
| asac | that needs to be sorted in the long run | 09:11 |
| asac | how to properly ensure quality and give back translations | 09:11 |
| seb128 | well, they sorted it by deciding that ubuntu translators should only touch things which are ubuntu specific | 09:11 |
| asac | i think thats not the vision of rosetta ;) | 09:12 |
| seb128 | and I got the impression that the coordinator would rather quit than sort translations upstream things | 09:12 |
| asac | the vision is to take over universe :) | 09:12 |
| seb128 | right | 09:12 |
| seb128 | but I don't want to go to the clash with the french team and have them stop doing any rosetta work | 09:12 |
| asac | seb128: the launchpad team coordinator? | 09:12 |
| asac | seb128: sure | 09:13 |
| seb128 | yes, for the french team | 09:13 |
| asac | ok i understand the french status then ;) | 09:13 |
| asac | thanks for clarifying | 09:13 |
| seb128 | you are welcome | 09:13 |
| asac | i think we need to work on procedures that allow us to translate in rosetta | 09:13 |
| Amaranth | mvo: bzr-buildpackage keeps failing to apply the patches i added but if i extract the tar.gz myself and run quilt push -a it is fine | 09:14 |
| Amaranth | and of course it never says _why_ it failed | 09:15 |
| Amaranth | oh, because the file doesn't exist | 09:16 |
| * Amaranth stabs bzr | 09:16 | |
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| Amaranth | mvo: no luck on a11y stuff :/ | 10:00 |
| seb128 | asac: epiphany-browser still crash in xulrunner at closing, I'll annoy you again after 8.04 to get that fixed for 8.04.1 ;-) | 12:59 |
| seb128 | hey pedro_ | 13:01 |
| pedro_ | bonjour seb128 | 13:01 |
| jcastro | seb128: I still need a desktop session (or two if you want) for openweek. | 13:04 |
| seb128 | jcastro: when is that? | 13:04 |
| seb128 | sorry I've been swamped in work recently | 13:05 |
| jcastro | it starts on the 28th | 13:05 |
| jcastro | yeah, I know how you feel. :D | 13:05 |
| jcastro | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep | 13:05 |
| jcastro | if you just want to add youself or someone from your team | 13:05 |
| jcastro | just add it in | 13:06 |
| seb128 | ok, will do that | 13:07 |
| asac | seb's gone :/ | 13:30 |
| crevette | I'm sure he'll come back one day :) | 13:31 |
| asac | crevette: so what was the applet branch? | 13:42 |
| crevette | branch,... | 13:42 |
| asac | with the new icons? | 13:42 |
| crevette | you mean patch | 13:42 |
| crevette | :) | 13:42 |
| crevette | :p | 13:42 |
| asac | i cannot apply patches anymore nowadays ;) | 13:43 |
| crevette | you would have prefered I create a bz branch on lp ? | 13:43 |
| asac | crevette: sure. thought i said so ;) | 13:43 |
| crevette | I can try tomorrow morning | 13:43 |
| * crevette is not a hacker | 13:43 | |
| seb128 | mvo: the codec installer should not ask you if you want to install or remove extra softwares, do you have a bug about that already? | 13:43 |
| asac | crevette: bug id at hand? | 13:44 |
| seb128 | bah, firefox and openoffice are the suck, everything else is nicely translated | 13:44 |
| asac | seb128: tell pitti to upload the langpack today not after RC:) | 13:45 |
| crevette | asac, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/210449 | 13:45 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 210449 in network-manager-applet "GNOME icons for nm-applet" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 13:45 |
| asac | seb128: i plan to upload manually most important langpacks today | 13:45 |
| pitti | asac: tell Rosetta to give me an export today, and tell the buildds to actually work | 13:45 |
| seb128 | asac: ok, thanks | 13:45 |
| asac | no idea if fr is important ;) | 13:45 |
| pitti | asac: without buildds, there's nothing we can do, sorry | 13:45 |
| * seb128 slaps asac | 13:45 | |
| seb128 | perfect timing from is to move those apparently | 13:46 |
| pitti | and even with full buildd power, it takes about a day to build them all | 13:46 |
| asac | pitti: hehe :) i think the latest delta already has the proper xpi/ | 13:46 |
| asac | pitti: yeah. thats ok. we already discussed that ;). ill go the manual way for those on CD at least | 13:46 |
| pitti | what's so bad about uploading them post-RC? | 13:46 |
| pitti | people who install RC can upgrade immediately | 13:47 |
| asac | pitti: no idea ;) ... i would just feel safer to get positive feedback in RC :) | 13:47 |
| pitti | and the final will be fine | 13:47 |
| seb128 | asac: wasn't the startup page also translated? or is that also pending on language packs updates? | 13:47 |
| asac | seb128: no thats independent. however it depends on which translation you have in UI :) | 13:47 |
| asac | seb128: so yes, if you don't have a translated firefox you won't see your homepage | 13:48 |
| seb128 | ah, that's a shame | 13:48 |
| seb128 | it should depend on the locale | 13:48 |
| seb128 | because I've the translated version installed | 13:48 |
| asac | seb128: http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0b3/linux-i686/xpi/ | 13:48 |
| asac | seb128: no it depends on the Accept-Language, which depends on the language displayed in ffox | 13:48 |
| seb128 | "Firefox prevented this site ..." wth? | 13:49 |
| asac | seb128: you have the translated version installed? | 13:49 |
| mvo | seb128: I don't think so, what does it ask exactly? | 13:49 |
| asac | seb128: you mean "translated desktop" ? | 13:49 |
| asac | seb128: sorry the url is old | 13:50 |
| seb128 | mvo: I'm trying the daily CD, I double clicked on a mp3, got the easy codec install thing, installed the required plugin and then I get this dialog asking if I want to install or remove extra softwares | 13:50 |
| asac | its http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0b5/linux-i686/xpi/ | 13:50 |
| asac | (for b5) | 13:50 |
| mvo | seb128: oh? hm, could you put a screenshot somewhere? I think I know what it is, but just want to double check | 13:50 |
| seb128 | asac: I've no been following the changes this cycle so I'll just shut up on that, the localized about ubuntu pages used to be shipped in the same package as the ubuntu documentation | 13:51 |
| seb128 | mvo: sure | 13:51 |
| asac | seb128: it still is. but it always dependened on the locale installed in ffox | 13:51 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:51 |
| seb128 | one other reason to prefer epiphany-browser ;-) | 13:51 |
| asac | the new solution is even less dependent on language packs because we don't have to patch them anymore :) | 13:51 |
| asac | seb128: you can go to preferences -> content -> choose preferred languages for display | 13:52 |
| asac | and set fr there | 13:52 |
| asac | its just that that is usually the one displayed in UI | 13:52 |
| * asac hopes it works at all | 13:53 | |
| * asac trying | 13:53 | |
| seb128 | re | 13:53 |
| seb128 | arg pidgin as IRC client | 13:53 |
| seb128 | did somebody wrote something just before I closed the tab? ;-) | 13:53 |
| crevette | no | 13:53 |
| crevette | seb128, what about xchat-gnome ? | 13:54 |
| seb128 | crevette: I've doing CD testing and there is no IRC client installed | 13:54 |
| seb128 | s/I've/I'm | 13:54 |
| crevette | ah | 13:54 |
| crevette | there is irssi from what I remember | 13:55 |
| crevette | :) | 13:55 |
| seb128 | and pidgin ;-) | 13:55 |
| asac | works for me :) | 13:55 |
| seb128 | brb, rebooting to the normal system | 13:57 |
| seb128 | mvo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/codecsinstall.png | 14:01 |
| seb128 | show also a bug between compiz and the screenshoter | 14:02 |
| seb128 | no decorations | 14:02 |
| seb128 | asac: btw did you really conflict on j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin or is that a typo in the changelog? | 14:04 |
| mpt | My favorite screenshot+compiz bug is where the screenshot window doesn't finish flying away before the screenshot is taken | 14:05 |
| asac | seb128: ? am i missing something ? | 14:05 |
| Amaranth | mpt: screenshot should wait longer :) | 14:05 |
| seb128 | asac: the changelog mentions j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin but that's j2re1.4 which creates the issue | 14:05 |
| asac | i thought that this is the conflict you wanted me to add :( | 14:05 |
| seb128 | asac: I told you J2re1.4 no? | 14:06 |
| asac | j2re1.4 | 14:06 |
| asac | j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin | 14:06 |
| asac | thats the same? | 14:06 |
| asac | i mean ... its certainly the mozilla-plugin that causes this? | 14:06 |
| seb128 | no | 14:07 |
| seb128 | I removed j2re1.4 on the boxes where I had the issue | 14:07 |
| mvo | asac: I just tried to reproduce the issue you reported with apturl, it seems to work fine for me and does not ask me to enable multiverse | 14:07 |
| seb128 | I never had the mozilla plugin package installed | 14:07 |
| mvo | asac: where do you see this? | 14:07 |
| asac | mvo: when install flash through plugin installer wizard in ffox | 14:08 |
| mpt | Amaranth, sure, but how is it supposed to know how long to wait? Needs to be an API for it :-) | 14:08 |
| asac | seb128: sorry. i don't understand how that can be. what does firefox have to do with plain runtime? | 14:08 |
| Amaranth | mpt: It could always size its window to 0,0 instead of closing it | 14:08 |
| asac | i saw the backtrace and it happened when initializing the java plugin | 14:08 |
| asac | but i can take a look again | 14:09 |
| mvo | asac: on a fresh install? | 14:09 |
| seb128 | asac: well, I've no idea, I just know that uninstalling J2re1.4 fixes the issue | 14:09 |
| asac | seb128: that will remove the plugin too | 14:09 |
| seb128 | asac: easy enough to trigger, install j2re1.4, open epiphany-browser and go to about:plugins | 14:09 |
| seb128 | asac: I didn't have the plugin installed, I just grepped dpkg.log | 14:10 |
| seb128 | nothing else has been removed | 14:10 |
| asac | bug #214468 | 14:10 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 214468 in xulrunner-1.9 "[removal request] Remove all java 1.4 bits from hardy (Was: Epiphany crashes inside xulrunner when j2re1.4 is installed)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214468 | 14:10 |
| mvo | asac: I can not reproduce this here on a fresh install | 14:11 |
| * mvo tries harder | 14:11 | |
| asac | seb128: #133 0xb1377525 in CPluginServiceProvider::QueryService () from /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so | 14:11 |
| asac | thats from the stack | 14:11 |
| asac | so either the mozilla-plugin is a hoax or ... i don't know :( | 14:11 |
| asac | mvo: do you use plugin finder? | 14:12 |
| asac | seb128: let me download the j2re package and see if there is such a file in | 14:12 |
| seb128 | asac: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libjavaplugin_oji.so&mode=exactfilename&suite=gutsy&arch=any | 14:12 |
| asac | seb128: ok sorry. | 14:13 |
| seb128 | that's alright | 14:14 |
| seb128 | sorry for not being clear | 14:14 |
| mpt | Amaranth, sure, but then there might be (probably should be!) an animation for resizing too | 14:15 |
| seb128 | asac: maybe you can quickly get a new revision accepted since the other one is not building yet ;-) | 14:15 |
| Amaranth | mpt: that's a toolkit thing | 14:15 |
| asac | well. it was one of the things where i wouldn't have understood even if you wrote it in bold letters ;) it auto translated to the -plugin package in my head | 14:15 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: do you know what causes the "no border on screenshots" issue? | 14:15 |
| Amaranth | and i'm sure gtk will let you disable it if it ever grows support | 14:15 |
| Amaranth | seb128: the screenshot tool doesn't handle a WM that doesn't reparent | 14:16 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: would that be easy to fix? | 14:16 |
| mpt | Amaranth, it could be either, though I agree doing it at the toolkit would look better | 14:16 |
| mpt | well | 14:17 |
| mpt | Not necessarily look better, but be faster, because the toolkit could be smarter about skipping pixels if it was going too slowly | 14:17 |
| Amaranth | seb128: no, the screenshot tool needs to grow support for the other half of the spec :) | 14:17 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: hum, k, any other nice screenshooter around we could use? ;-) | 14:18 |
| Amaranth | mpt: Do you know the technical reason why resizing looks so bad right now? | 14:18 |
| Amaranth | mpt: You don't want the WM to do animated resize :P | 14:18 |
| Amaranth | seb128: no idea, i take whole screen screenshots and crop them in gimp | 14:18 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:19 |
| asac | seb128: ok building new sources | 14:19 |
| asac | seb128: +Conflicts: j2re1.4 | 14:19 |
| asac | thats right? | 14:19 |
| mvo | asac: my bad, have it now | 14:20 |
| * asac confused ;) | 14:20 | |
| asac | mvo: if i press "No" i also get a return code 0 | 14:20 |
| asac | no idea if you still have that in your mind | 14:20 |
| seb128 | asac: thanks! | 14:20 |
| seb128 | asac: yes | 14:20 |
| seb128 | mvo: did you see my screenshot? | 14:21 |
| mpt | Amaranth, no, I thought it was a deliberate (though weird) design choice | 14:21 |
| mpt | What's the reason? | 14:21 |
| mpt | Every time I resize a window I get a nostalgia rush for the early '90s | 14:22 |
| asac | seb128: ok uploaded. can you approve? (http://paste.ubuntu.com/7119/) | 14:22 |
| seb128 | pitti: ^ | 14:23 |
| Amaranth | mpt: The jerkiness is caused by a couple things. Main one is that the WM is not the same process as the app and they communicate asynchronously via X. Other one is that resizing is slow :P | 14:26 |
| Amaranth | But #1 is a big reason why #2 is true | 14:27 |
| mpt | So how will that be fixed? | 14:27 |
| Amaranth | in compiz we have outline resize because it beats the hell out of the CPU and GPU doing regular resize and because it causes problems with fglrx+Xgl | 14:28 |
| Amaranth | well, Qt fixed it by only using one X window for each window you see on the screen | 14:28 |
| Amaranth | instead of separate X windows for every button and etc | 14:28 |
| Amaranth | so only one window to keep in sync | 14:28 |
| mpt | Did Windows 98 and Mac OS X 10.0 do the same? | 14:29 |
| mpt | Or did they just not have a protocol as slow as X? | 14:29 |
| Amaranth | no, in those OSes the application draws its own window decoration | 14:29 |
| Amaranth | so resize is kept in sync | 14:29 |
| mpt | aha | 14:29 |
| Amaranth | and in OS X all drawing it locked to vblank | 14:29 |
| mpt | vblank? | 14:30 |
| Amaranth | s/it/is/ | 14:30 |
| Amaranth | the refresh rate of your monitor | 14:30 |
| Amaranth | 60Hz is 60 fps, etc | 14:30 |
| mpt | So could GTK do the same as Qt? | 14:30 |
| Amaranth | we can sync to vblank for OpenGL stuff but not for Xv or regular X drawing | 14:30 |
| Amaranth | it could but it would be a huge chunk of work | 14:31 |
| Amaranth | but the infrastructure is slowly getting into place, it seems | 14:31 |
| mvo | asac: both issues are fixed in bzr, I check the race with the first apt-get update now | 14:32 |
| asac | mvo: did you look into apturl unnecessary updating caches or something at startup? | 14:33 |
| asac | it always does a lot of rumbling ... that i don't really understand :( | 14:33 |
| mvo | asac: it has to open the cache, no way around it to check if the package is installed, I can check if I can make it quicker | 14:34 |
| asac | mvo: dpkg -l would be really quick | 14:36 |
| asac | compared to what we have right now | 14:37 |
| asac | seb128: totem 'http://anytime.tv4.se/webtv/metafile.asx?MSG=mc1lSbUlityW0cJiqRrJ(xfyWIKhyDr4FyDJrUewlu8RtZiUhdDWyxd8hFg3ymUtqZas4oE1y6ft2I)1FlATFCALGsAD8kTOICOIvr72a0c!' | 14:37 |
| asac | that makes totem hang once the missing codec is installed (and on subsequent startups) | 14:37 |
| asac | no idea if you care ;) | 14:37 |
| seb128 | asac: weird, I get a message saying the ressource is not available | 14:39 |
| mvo | asac: time apturl apt:2vcard until the dialog pops up is 1,5s for me - not great, but not that bad either | 14:39 |
| mvo | asac: do you see something different? | 14:40 |
| asac | seb128: hmmm maybe temporary then | 14:40 |
| asac | nevermind | 14:40 |
| asac | mvo: i don't mean the time before the dialog popsup, but the time it takes after you confirm before it starts to download and install | 14:41 |
| asac | anyway, i think nothing we can fix in hardy. i guess the idea would be to test if its downloadable and only if that fails update cache | 14:42 |
| asac | crevette: the nm-applet icons look identical except the connect spinning | 14:55 |
| asac | i don't see a difference at least | 14:55 |
| asac | seb128: is it consense that we want the new NM icons? | 15:00 |
| seb128 | asac: I've no been following this issue and didn't try those but I think that people who commented liked those better yes | 15:00 |
| seb128 | you should ask kwwii and mpt about it rather | 15:01 |
| asac | crevette: can you please confirm that the normal icons are not affected by this? that its just the spinner during connect that changed? | 15:01 |
| asac | kwwii: mpt can you please give a go for the new NM applet icons? | 15:01 |
| kwwii | asac: erm, what exactly does that mean? | 15:01 |
| kwwii | I know that NM applet has it's own icons, nothing much more than that | 15:02 |
| asac | kwwii: bug 210449 | 15:03 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 210449 in network-manager-applet "GNOME icons for nm-applet" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210449 | 15:03 |
| asac | kwwii: i have this request to apply the new, better gnome icons. | 15:03 |
| andreasn | the issue is still being discussed with the upstream maintainer I think | 15:04 |
| asac | yeah most likely | 15:04 |
| dholbach | UI FREEZE! :) | 15:04 |
| seb128 | dholbach: who cares? ;-) | 15:04 |
| andreasn | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504822 | 15:04 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 504822 in nm-applet "Use GNOME updated style for icons" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] | 15:05 |
| asac | dholbach: i think the desktop team meeting back a week or two voted in favour of those icons. but i lost all documentation | 15:05 |
| kwwii | asac: lol, looking at a debdiff does not necessarily give me an idea of what the icons look like :p | 15:05 |
| asac | kwwii: yeah i know | 15:05 |
| seb128 | asac: I think you discussed this on this can and kwwii said those were better but I'm not sure either | 15:05 |
| asac | kwwii: but UU encoded icons should be readable for artists :) | 15:05 |
| seb128 | s/can/chan | 15:05 |
| seb128 | crevette: around? | 15:06 |
| asac | kwwii: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=102117 | 15:06 |
| crevette | seb128, yep | 15:06 |
| asac | i think those are the ones ... but i still have to figure out if they are really the ones i have in this patch :) | 15:06 |
| kwwii | asac: yeah, found that, checking it out | 15:06 |
| mpt | asac, what do you mean by "give a go"? | 15:06 |
| crevette | you're lucky I've just arrived | 15:06 |
| asac | crevette: can you please verify that only the spinning icon has changed? | 15:06 |
| seb128 | crevette: can you reply to asac quesiton? | 15:06 |
| kwwii | andreasn: I assume you think you should take the new gnome icons, right? | 15:06 |
| crevette | ah | 15:06 |
| asac | mpt: sign off that we prefer those over the official upstream ones | 15:06 |
| kwwii | andreasn: the connecting animation int he current set is simply ugly | 15:06 |
| mpt | asac, where are they? | 15:07 |
| asac | mpt: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=102117 | 15:07 |
| crevette | asac, there is more than the spinning if I remember correctly | 15:07 |
| crevette | I can't look at the list right now unformtunetely | 15:07 |
| asac | crevette then tell me which. the patch you gave me doesn't change anything else for me | 15:07 |
| asac | hmm | 15:07 |
| crevette | I should have the file around here (I'm at work on windows) | 15:08 |
| andreasn | kwwii: I'm not sure what to do exactly. The current green lights don't give me any clue at all what's happening exactly, but I know it's doing something when it takes a long time... | 15:08 |
| asac | crevette: the ones you have me definitly are completely different than the ones in the bug above | 15:08 |
| asac | i am lost | 15:08 |
| andreasn | kwwii: apart from that, it would make very much sense to use the spinner from the selected icon theme | 15:08 |
| asac | andreasn: i think thats beyond the scope what can be done here | 15:09 |
| asac | for hardy | 15:09 |
| kwwii | andreasn: yeah, ideally that would be best | 15:09 |
| mpt | asac, they look good to me | 15:10 |
| mpt | well | 15:10 |
| mpt | they look like an improvement, anyway :-) | 15:10 |
| asac | kwwii: well the spinner should at least give more info than just that something is happening. no idea if users would understand that its actually connecting somewhere | 15:10 |
| asac | mpt: yeah :) ... no i just have to figure, why the patch i got doesn't ship those at all | 15:11 |
| kwwii | asac: true, it is more than a simple spinner | 15:11 |
| kwwii | asac: I think that the gnome icons are a definite improvement (although the wired device icon seems somehow wrong to me) | 15:11 |
| andreasn | I don't think it picks up the wired device icon, it takes that from the theme (I think?) | 15:12 |
| andreasn | so that tar.gz might be shipping a few too many pixmaps than are actually used | 15:12 |
| pitti | asac, seb128: xul looks ok | 15:13 |
| seb128 | pitti: thanks | 15:13 |
| asac | pitti: thanks | 15:13 |
| asac | andreasn: yes. thats what i see here. no change for the wired device icon | 15:14 |
| asac | andreasn: same goes for wireless signal strength icon | 15:14 |
| asac | no change | 15:14 |
| asac | no idea if it makes sense to apply something that just changes the spinner ... and that spinner is not even in the upsream bug | 15:15 |
| kwwii | I think that changing the spinner is worth it | 15:16 |
| kwwii | the current blue gree thingy with the dots makes little snese | 15:16 |
| kwwii | of course, if we had 2D system-try-thingy icons it would be even better :-) | 15:17 |
| andreasn | mpt: how does other systems solve the lack of feedback during the time it takes to connect to a wireless network? | 15:18 |
| mpt | andreasn, OS X slides the Airport icon (and therefore all icons to its left) to the left, shows a scrolling marquee of the network name to the right, then removes the marquee once the connection is finished | 15:20 |
| mpt | looks a bit crappy really | 15:20 |
| mpt | I don't know what Vista does | 15:20 |
| andreasn | marquee? | 15:21 |
| asac | kwwii: for me the spinner submitted doesn't really look better | 15:21 |
| asac | at least not more meaning full | 15:22 |
| mpt | andreasn, copy and paste this into Firefox's URL bar: data:text/html,<marquee width="50" style="font: caption">T-Mobile</marquee> | 15:22 |
| kwwii | asac: agreed that it does not present much more information but 1) it looks better and 2) it matches the spinner in nautilus and firefox | 15:22 |
| mpt | andreasn, that's about what it looks like | 15:23 |
| andreasn | ouch | 15:23 |
| andreasn | I didn't know you could do that btw, cool | 15:23 |
| asac | kwwii: where do you see that spinner? | 15:23 |
| asac | kwwii: just wondere because i didn't have it in the upstrema bug tarball? | 15:23 |
| Hobbsee | + blink is worse | 15:23 |
| asac | kwwii: if you say thats ok, ill take it now | 15:23 |
| andreasn | Hobbsee: thihi | 15:23 |
| Hobbsee | andreasn: my myspace page was infintely better, though. | 15:24 |
| Hobbsee | i'm still disappointed that it got removed | 15:24 |
| kwwii | asac: I looked at the spinner in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=102117 | 15:24 |
| kwwii | the one with the little dots in a circle | 15:24 |
| asac | kwwii: what we have for wireless are the nm-stage03-connectionXXXX.png series | 15:27 |
| asac | anyway. lets take it hen | 15:27 |
| kwwii | I agree :-) | 15:31 |
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| lapo | hi | 16:03 |
| seb128 | hey lapo | 16:20 |
| asac | mvo: i requested a merge on your https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/app-install-data-ubuntu/ubuntu branch | 16:27 |
| asac | i am currently branching the merge source and see if it really works. will let you know asap | 16:27 |
| asac | but takes time :( | 16:28 |
| asac | mvo: maybe consider to upgrade that to new branch format? (no idea if you already did that?) | 16:28 |
| mvo | asac: isn't it the lastest already? when we talked last I ugpraded all that I could get hold off | 16:31 |
| asac | hmm | 16:31 |
| asac | not sure | 16:32 |
| asac | bzr info should show pack-0.92 | 16:32 |
| asac | i think jazzva told me that the data branch was still "dirstate" | 16:32 |
| mvo | hm, bzr upgrade bzr+ssh:// on that branch gave me that its already the latest version | 16:34 |
| asac | wierd | 16:48 |
| asac | mvo: ok that branch works ... maybe there will be another round of more extensions, but imo its safe to take it now | 16:50 |
| asac | (more extensions added ask .desktop) | 16:50 |
| mvo | asac: looks good, merging | 17:01 |
| asac | thanks | 17:06 |
| asac | can you mark the branch as "merged" in "view merge proposal" on launchpad side? | 17:06 |
| mvo | asac: I can not see where I can do that in https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/app-install-data-ubuntu/ubuntu | 17:19 |
| asac | mvo: you click on the "view proposal details" | 17:20 |
| asac | then on the left "mark as merged" | 17:20 |
| mvo | aha | 17:20 |
| mvo | done | 17:20 |
| asac | cool | 17:21 |
| asac | now the branch disappeared from yours again | 17:21 |
| asac | mvo: i dont see that merge in the last 10 commits? | 17:21 |
| asac | already pushed? | 17:21 |
| mvo | still pushing | 17:22 |
| asac | mvo: you dont give credits in commit message? :-P | 18:04 |
| mvo | asac: I use debcommit | 18:16 |
| asac | that doesn't give credits? | 18:18 |
| asac | hmm ... should include the author (e.g. [ XXXX ]) ... anyway thanks for the upload | 18:19 |
| mvo | cheers, the upload has the right credits at least | 18:29 |
| wonko69 | A strange thing has happend to my desktop. When I switch viewport with CRLT+ALT+left or right arrow key now for no apparent reason it move two viewports over instead of the normal one. I can for the life of me not figure out what is going on. | 19:20 |
| mvo | asac: apturl and the enable_section race should be fixed now | 20:07 |
| mvo | asac: do you want to give it a test-run first or should I upload straight away (my tests look good) | 20:09 |
| asac | mvo: no idea. how can i get a testpackage? is the fix in apturl or synaptic? | 20:15 |
| mvo | asac: all apturl, its in | 20:18 |
| mvo | checkout of branch: sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/apturl/ubuntu/ | 20:18 |
| mvo | just run | 20:19 |
| mvo | bzr-buildpackage --native in it | 20:19 |
| asac | mvo: you ares still using sftp :-P ? | 20:19 |
| mvo | dude | 20:20 |
| asac | hehe | 20:20 |
| mvo | its a really *tiny* package | 20:20 |
| mvo | :P | 20:20 |
| * asac branching | 20:20 | |
| * asac building | 20:21 | |
| * asac instlaling | 20:21 | |
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| YokoZar | If GDM is off-centered, does that mean it's using the wrong resolution or something else? I can't even see the language select/restart buttons in the corner | 23:05 |
| ajmitch | most likely, I had that yesterday on my laptop because I'd plugged in the 22" lcd screen | 23:09 |
| Kargarian | does anyone know what the screen reoultion should be for displaying X on a 24 inch tv? | 23:09 |
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